**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 28 03:00:00 2013 Jan 28 03:47:09 alan_o: you get a troll table for ELC? Jan 28 03:48:13 mranostay: I got a table, and a troll will be at it Jan 28 03:48:29 I asked TBird to put it next to Beagle Jan 28 03:48:41 Will you be at the beagle table again? Jan 28 03:51:29 i was never at the beagle table Jan 28 03:51:34 no? Jan 28 03:51:35 i was loitering around it Jan 28 03:51:37 with Koen? Jan 28 03:51:38 oh Jan 28 03:51:40 ah Jan 28 03:51:43 right ELC-E Jan 28 03:51:55 that wasn't a 'beagle' table Jan 28 03:55:29 did Crofton or Crofton|work get a table? Jan 28 03:59:37 * mranostay is reminded to finish up his slides Jan 28 04:02:05 mranostay, slacker Jan 28 04:03:51 ka6sox: yeah versus the people that sent it in the last possible moment :) Jan 28 04:04:11 mainly updating the capebus to not-capebus section Jan 28 04:05:16 ya, I am working on a set of slides tonight too....for my Son's presentation @ SCaLE:TNG Jan 28 04:06:17 ka6sox: what is the deadline for SCaLE? Jan 28 04:06:36 its past...(except for UpScale and TNG Jan 28 04:06:39 ) Jan 28 04:07:03 ka6sox: well slides in Jan 28 04:07:20 unfortunately I have 2 presentations there this year... + helping my son to get his in too! Jan 28 04:07:29 I think its a week before. Jan 28 04:08:11 I just hope his presentation and mine don't overlap. Jan 28 04:27:33 ka6sox: what are the odds? :) Jan 28 04:29:36 I know a guy who knows a guy... Jan 28 04:30:00 I may watch it from A/V control... Jan 28 04:30:58 ka6sox, when are your scale presentations? Jan 28 04:31:37 friday afternoon and saturday @ 6pm Jan 28 04:32:20 what they about? Jan 28 04:32:25 *are Jan 28 04:35:31 I'll miss the friday one because ELC Jan 28 04:37:03 LibHybris Jan 28 04:38:25 * mranostay googles Jan 28 07:54:31 hi woglinde Jan 28 07:54:44 hi mranostay still awake? Jan 28 07:55:51 sure it seems so Jan 28 08:09:07 hi Guest61212 Jan 28 08:11:51 mranostay: ahoi Jan 28 08:14:22 gm av500 Jan 28 08:15:08 gm people living under bridges Jan 28 08:25:44 panto its gold under the bridge in greece? Jan 28 08:25:48 ups cold Jan 28 08:26:04 not as cold as in germany Jan 28 08:26:17 so there's a troll population explosion here Jan 28 08:26:18 today we have not under zero Jan 28 08:28:13 * panto should mentions that it's about 10C for a week here and we've been bitching about it constantly Jan 28 08:28:16 *mention Jan 28 08:37:45 panto : it's really warm here the last days Jan 28 08:37:50 panto : only 1C Jan 28 08:37:57 panto : last week it was -10C Jan 28 08:38:24 yeah, germany Jan 28 08:38:25 .. Jan 28 08:38:25 CareBear\, but you are a bear after all, you like the cold climate :) Jan 28 08:38:31 no, I don't Jan 28 08:38:39 my body is greek Jan 28 08:38:43 lol Jan 28 08:39:02 it's true - my father's genes Jan 28 08:40:56 .o0(greek invasion!) Jan 28 08:41:08 I'm swedish Jan 28 08:41:11 * KotH must bring more turkish Jan 28 08:42:22 * av500 prepares to fight off the turks Jan 28 08:42:29 heh, KotH you're losing; it's 1.5 vs 1 :) Jan 28 08:42:41 panto: 2.5 :) Jan 28 08:42:49 hehe Jan 28 08:43:00 KotH: get lost, but leave the coffee Jan 28 08:43:35 * KotH calls his brothers, and brothers of brothers Jan 28 08:45:03 av500: you dont even know what to do with those coffee beens! you'll just feed them to the pigs, like louis XV did! Jan 28 08:45:36 CareBear\, hmm, you're the OpenOCD maintainer? Jan 28 08:46:35 panto: very likely :) Jan 28 08:46:46 cool Jan 28 08:47:12 I might need you around to bitch about openocd in a few months :) Jan 28 08:47:47 panto : not *the* but I am sortof one of them Jan 28 08:48:18 nm, you'll be the right outlet for venting :P Jan 28 08:48:45 push all your bitching in form of patches to gerrit kthxbye Jan 28 08:49:09 hehe Jan 28 08:49:40 panto : are you at hackerspace.gr sometimes? I'd like to stop by there next time I am in Athens Jan 28 08:49:46 CareBear\: what about bitchings about gerrit? ;-> Jan 28 08:50:04 CareBear\, I'm not really - I should go to check it out sometime Jan 28 08:50:06 KotH : not so much. except for one or two things I'm really happy with it Jan 28 08:50:13 * KotH knows Jan 28 08:50:37 I don't know any of the people there - so I'm a bit wary if they're any good Jan 28 08:50:38 last week was cold . but today they are replacing the heating system... Jan 28 08:50:40 CareBear\: it's just a pain to use when you dont regularly use it... i always have to look up what to do, when i want to send a patch Jan 28 08:50:47 (Amsterdam) Jan 28 08:50:53 CareBear\: but then, you've great exact steps document there Jan 28 08:50:54 KotH : simply push.. Jan 28 08:51:09 panto : they look like they are having fun Jan 28 08:51:13 panto : that counts too Jan 28 08:51:46 * KotH pushes panto over a cliff Jan 28 08:51:47 yeah, I guess that's the spirit :) Jan 28 09:06:59 av500: if you are near zürich, and come to our office in half an hour, you can have some baklava ;-> Jan 28 09:07:21 * panto actually has family (from the wife's side of the family) in zurich Jan 28 09:07:31 does that offer stand for me too? Jan 28 09:08:19 hmm.. what can you offer in exchange? ;-) Jan 28 09:08:46 ugh, greek coffee? :) Jan 28 09:09:19 somehow i dont trust that... Jan 28 09:11:05 KotH: It's turskish coffee under a different name Jan 28 09:13:16 it's an improved version Jan 28 09:15:38 panto: you say that about the gyros as well.. but such awfull stuff doesnt come anyway near a real iskender kebaba! Jan 28 09:21:08 try the doener in berlin Jan 28 09:21:18 now that is awful stuff Jan 28 09:22:52 CareBear where did you bought it Jan 28 09:22:56 there is doener and doener Jan 28 09:25:13 KotH, I don't think that gyros are the best dish we got Jan 28 09:30:45 woglinde: and there is döner Jan 28 09:30:53 woglinde : I've tried several - it's mostly the same. but I hear there is a good place near Hermannplatz Jan 28 09:59:21 i had a very good nasi goreng tonght, here in middle-earth Jan 28 09:59:52 you're dutch? Jan 28 10:01:03 nasi goreng is dutch meal? Jan 28 10:01:26 of course Jan 28 10:02:00 I miss the chocolate there... Jan 28 10:03:56 colonialism... Jan 28 10:04:22 dutch.. no malayisan Jan 28 10:30:00 mranostay: nasi goreng is a pervasive dish in the netherland Jan 28 10:30:02 ehm Jan 28 10:30:07 mrpackethead_ Jan 28 10:30:21 I thought it was Frikandel Jan 28 10:30:31 that's more of a snack Jan 28 10:31:39 $@)*$)(@#$*@ Jan 28 10:31:49 I HATE projects that depend on ffmpeg Jan 28 10:31:56 libav FTW Jan 28 10:31:59 * koen stabs comskip Jan 28 10:32:09 * koen dulls knife a bit Jan 28 10:32:14 * koen stabs comskip again Jan 28 10:48:27 cleaned /tmp, won 30GB Jan 28 10:48:36 what are all these gs_foo files? Jan 28 10:49:49 ghostscrippt Jan 28 10:50:06 shitty software without you cannt printing something Jan 28 10:50:24 ah Jan 28 10:50:52 I guess Jan 28 10:51:03 maybee is something else Jan 28 10:52:35 yeah Jan 28 10:52:37 makes sense Jan 28 10:54:43 what makes sense? Jan 28 10:55:01 that your /tmp is no in ram Jan 28 10:55:16 or that gs do not delete the his temp files=? Jan 28 10:56:28 that gs is ghostscipt Jan 28 10:56:38 woglinde: tmp in ram does not work Jan 28 10:57:02 I do not have 30GB RAM for tmp Jan 28 11:04:03 ghostscript isn't all that bad Jan 28 11:04:10 but I guess it too is going downhill Jan 28 11:05:38 I guess its the print system not deleting tmp files Jan 28 11:06:29 I have cron jobs to purge some kinds of temp files Jan 28 11:06:38 easier than fixing the shit that puts them there Jan 28 11:08:26 I just buy bigger drives :) Jan 28 11:12:21 my /tmp is in ram Jan 28 11:37:06 more ram Jan 28 11:37:31 I want a waterfall display in a frane buffer Jan 28 11:58:39 av500 so you would haver earlier notice it Jan 28 12:48:48 I am thinking of suggesting all my angry gun toting friends move to Switzerland Jan 28 12:49:06 one of them was over last night praising the Swiss for all having guns Jan 28 12:51:16 lol Jan 28 12:51:19 send them here Jan 28 12:51:27 they'll have an unpleasant wakeup :) Jan 28 12:51:31 heh Jan 28 12:52:11 do you have a link to a description of what the actual policy is? Jan 28 12:52:22 There seems to be some misunderstandings Jan 28 12:52:27 we have a damn lot of guns, and you often see people walking around with a full automatic assault rifle on their shulder... but gun fanatics are not liked here Jan 28 12:52:44 isn't it tied to mandatory military service? Jan 28 12:52:54 let's see how the US people like that :) Jan 28 12:53:01 Crofton|work: only in german, french, italian and retrorumantsch Jan 28 12:53:04 heh Jan 28 12:53:22 koen, it's tough to get excited about that in a perpetual state of war ;) Jan 28 12:53:52 oh, really? Jan 28 12:54:18 what is retrorumantsch? Jan 28 12:54:20 I'm all for putting the draft back Jan 28 12:54:33 everybody should have a fair share of war Jan 28 12:54:45 Crofton|work: a language :) Jan 28 12:54:56 hmm, like ladin? Jan 28 12:54:57 except those that have less fairness in the draft ;) Jan 28 12:55:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romansh_language Jan 28 12:55:16 Crofton|work: policy is quite simple: as a swiss citizen you are allowed to buy guns w/o registration, as long as they are non-automatic. use is only allowed on specialy designed shooting ranges and only due to specified hours. carrying around loaded guns is forbidden. consealed guns as well. actually you are only allowed to carry an unloaded gun from home to the shooting range and back, everything else is forbidden Jan 28 12:55:18 mdp: you can always go to Canada Jan 28 12:55:43 av500, a popular choice Jan 28 12:56:09 I prefer to wear Canada as our hat. Jan 28 12:56:15 KotH: can you have ammo at home? Jan 28 12:56:21 av500: sure Jan 28 12:56:41 av500: i used to have 50 rounds of 5.6mm until the military wanted it back Jan 28 12:56:50 Crofton|work: tell your angry friends not to worry...this will all blow over soon enough Jan 28 12:57:36 heh Jan 28 12:57:50 one of them lives in NY, he is shipping stuff to VA for safe keeping Jan 28 12:57:54 lol Jan 28 12:57:59 av500: but opening the can was strictly forbidden... if you opened it w/o due need (aka a war breaking out) you ended up infront of a military tribunal Jan 28 12:58:12 oh, well, NY is a sorry-as place to live if you are a collector/user of firearms to start ;) Jan 28 12:58:13 KotH: ah Jan 28 12:58:24 s/as/ass/ Jan 28 12:58:30 av500: but then, buying amo as a swiss citizen is damn easy Jan 28 12:58:39 av500: just walk into the next shop and buy some Jan 28 12:58:39 Crofton|work: in fact, non-compliance to registration is a good outcome Jan 28 12:58:42 av500: no questions asked Jan 28 12:58:58 Crofton|work: all these guns will get out of circulation Jan 28 12:59:29 until the day you folks need to rise up gainst the evil government Jan 28 12:59:44 the creators of the evil vendor tree..aha Jan 28 12:59:59 DEFEND DEMOCRACY! AGAINST YOUR OWN, ELECTED GOVERNMENT! Jan 28 13:00:05 heh, seems like most of the revolutions these days are more dependent on the internet than on guns :) Jan 28 13:00:07 +1 Jan 28 13:00:17 Crofton|work: nooooooooo Jan 28 13:00:21 rofl Jan 28 13:00:22 think of the children! Jan 28 13:00:44 Crofton|work: that's why homeland security is trying hard to restrict the internet as far as possible :) Jan 28 13:00:56 yes, train the children to aim their interwebs accurately Jan 28 13:01:30 so in Swiss, you get one auto weapng and can buy as many as you want, but you can only load them at the range, or if there is a war? Jan 28 13:01:39 KotH: like most operations, it's a multi-faceted and systematic approach to control anything to those in power ;) Jan 28 13:01:41 mdp: I have my own version of the internet burried on a farm in montana!!! Jan 28 13:01:52 Crofton|work: nope, the assault rifle is tied to military service Jan 28 13:01:53 come and get it! Jan 28 13:02:00 Bdale and Eben will update us on the freedom box at FOSDEM Jan 28 13:02:03 av500, it's very easy to spot your buried internets from the sats..epic fail Jan 28 13:02:07 Crofton|work: you get it when you enter and have to take it home between service Jan 28 13:02:12 mdp: but but tubes Jan 28 13:02:15 av500, smart people bury their internets on public land Jan 28 13:02:25 Crofton|work: after your time ends, you have to give it back, or you can keep it if it is modified to single shot Jan 28 13:02:27 so when you are done with service, you give it back? Jan 28 13:02:31 av500, I'm just sayin' Jan 28 13:02:32 ok Jan 28 13:02:52 but the only place you can have a loaded gun is the range? Jan 28 13:03:04 Crofton|work: where else? Jan 28 13:03:13 Crofton|work: yes Jan 28 13:03:24 Crofton|work: you are allowed to use a gun in self defence Jan 28 13:03:40 as a club, since you are not allowed to load it.... Jan 28 13:03:46 Crofton|work: but then you need a very good argument why you shot the guy who had nothing but a knife in his hands Jan 28 13:04:12 Crofton|work: and killing someone because he entered your house is not selfe defense Jan 28 13:04:24 heh Jan 28 13:04:38 I am still thinking I should just encourage them to move to Swiss Jan 28 13:04:45 reminds me of case of repeated warehouse burglaries outside stockholm a few years ago Jan 28 13:04:52 police were unable to do anything Jan 28 13:04:52 KotH: you can always quite the movie :) Jan 28 13:05:01 quote* Jan 28 13:05:13 so one of the business owners in the area staked out the place with a shotgun Jan 28 13:05:25 ooops Jan 28 13:05:25 didn't take long before the burglar showed up Jan 28 13:05:31 and got shot Jan 28 13:05:41 he wasn't seriously injured Jan 28 13:05:52 but enough to put an end to the burglaries Jan 28 13:06:03 of course the guy who shot him ended up on trial Jan 28 13:06:29 apparently the other small business owners around there all chipped in to pay the fine Jan 28 13:07:43 rofl Jan 28 13:08:29 a friend had a bike stolen, we were talking about getting an electric fence thing and setting it up on the porch Jan 28 13:08:38 the justice system may frown upon vigilantism, but it works Jan 28 13:09:42 imagine the robber being shot dead Jan 28 13:18:19 I've cloned the Linux sources from https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 Jan 28 13:18:54 Though i'm able to build and boot my Beaglebone board with 3.8 kernel Jan 28 13:19:23 Any suggestions? Jan 28 13:20:01 @av500 did you hear about the case near hamburg? Jan 28 13:20:24 gang cought a old guy in his house beat him up and took money Jan 28 13:21:18 but freeded himself somehiw and took his gun and shot after them as they tried to get away shot one down Jan 28 13:23:54 I'm sorry for a newbie question.., Jan 28 13:25:30 vij, I can't see what the question is Jan 28 13:27:30 crofton he wants to be newbie Jan 28 13:28:07 Am not able to locate the board file "board-am335xevm.c" under arch/arm/mach-omap2/ in my cloned kernel sources. Jan 28 13:28:21 I've cloned the Linux sources from https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 Jan 28 13:28:36 Though i'm able to build and boot my Beaglebone board with 3.8 kernel Jan 28 13:28:47 board files are going away Jan 28 13:28:55 replaced by device tree stuff? Jan 28 13:28:55 nice try Jan 28 13:29:48 so what it looks like his problem is no dt-file for the evm Jan 28 13:30:25 or let me guess he wants do change somehting for his commercial board and does not know where Jan 28 13:55:12 hello there! I was wondering if anyone could clarify the UART muxing on the beaglebone? Specifically, UART5 - in the SRM it says RTS/CTS are not available for UART5, but in the muxing table they're listed as mode0 for pins 31/32 on P8, am I missing something? Jan 28 13:59:41 limaxray just try it out? Jan 28 14:00:02 yeah I may have to do that Jan 28 14:00:12 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30 Jan 28 14:00:23 was working on a PCB layout and was trying to avoid that Jan 28 14:02:57 hm ah okay Jan 28 14:03:06 that is trickier than Jan 28 14:04:16 woglinde: http://hannesrichert.de/?p=718 Jan 28 14:07:12 limaxray, UART5 rts/cts I believe are on boot pins, so just be careful :) Jan 28 14:09:19 av500 now I am confused Jan 28 14:09:20 yes Jan 28 14:09:25 understood the message Jan 28 14:17:44 sorry X crashed on me... anyway yeah I see they are a boot pin, my transceiver outputs with be high-z on boot so that'll be fine Jan 28 14:17:59 i guess ill just have to mock something up Jan 28 14:33:45 robclark: can you push a dts patch to github that adds some mode for dvi? Jan 28 14:34:20 robclark: I'm updating my patchset and need to update a bunch of DT entries for updated patches (PWM, ADC and drm) Jan 28 14:34:28 koen, for dvi cape, it should get mode from edid.. Jan 28 14:35:08 koen, although there needs to be DT entries for the tfp410 cape, etc.. although how that works depends on whether you have not-capebus (which is reason DT bits are missing from my branch) Jan 28 14:38:13 robclark: why is is not possible to simple pass a vesa or hdmi mode via kernel command line? Jan 28 14:38:18 simply* Jan 28 14:38:25 like in ye olde days Jan 28 14:38:26 av500, it is Jan 28 14:38:30 ah Jan 28 14:38:52 av500, video="HDMI-A-1:800x600" video="DVI-D-1:800x600" (for example) Jan 28 14:39:14 ah Jan 28 14:39:35 A as in? Jan 28 14:40:02 av500, that is just the connector name "HDMI-A-n" Jan 28 14:40:22 I guess as opposed to HDMI-B? I don't really know the history behind those names Jan 28 14:41:00 robclark: does that also work for ubuntuish pandas? Jan 28 14:41:08 there was a guy with broken edid the other day.... Jan 28 14:41:52 av500, yeah.. well, it will pick the mode you specify from the timings it gets from EDID, but there is also some support in drm to load an edid from a firmware file Jan 28 14:42:04 although I've not played with that myself.. Jan 28 14:42:21 robclark: loading a custom edid is pain Jan 28 14:42:29 if there is kernel command line that should be fine Jan 28 14:42:41 hence my question if that works on panda Jan 28 14:42:53 coz I have not seen it mentioned before Jan 28 14:44:08 av500, it might work if it is a standard sort of resolution.. not 100% sure.. or otherwise drm should pick a safe standard 1024x768 if it gets nothing from edid.. Jan 28 14:44:18 thats what it did Jan 28 14:44:37 robclark: ah, I meant for LCDs Jan 28 14:44:53 robclark: but agai, no need if there is a kernel command line way Jan 28 14:44:56 so is there? Jan 28 14:45:10 nothing is as much fun as a coworker letting the magic smoke out of a circuit with a 30uF capacitor charged to 500V Jan 28 14:45:15 for lcd panel, you probably need to put a timig.. Jan 28 14:45:28 koen, give me a minute and I'll pastebin what I was using for lcd3 Jan 28 14:45:40 thanks! Jan 28 14:51:15 koen, sorry, took me a minute to find it.. http://www.hastebin.com/wusolalude.xml Jan 28 14:53:30 thanks! Jan 28 14:53:50 incidentally I fixed the 'bug' that prompted me to refresh all the patches Jan 28 14:54:12 turns out the "image way too red" was caused by a loose HDMI cable Jan 28 14:54:37 heheh Jan 28 14:57:04 ~.~ Jan 28 14:58:32 I riceved frome one of my customer a Beagleboard Xm rev C. I tried to startup it but I've not recived any result. Can anybody help me? I powered the board with the micro usb port and I connected to my monitor with the HDMI. Then I also tried to connect with the serial port to my PC using a serial console. Jan 28 14:59:16 sdcard inside? Jan 28 14:59:19 a) power it properly through the barrel connector Jan 28 14:59:30 b) do you have a SD card in? Jan 28 14:59:41 c) what do you see on the serial port (pastebin!) Jan 28 15:00:56 The sd card is in but I'm not sure what's inside Jan 28 15:01:16 https://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnosticsNext#The_setup Jan 28 15:01:26 then make sure Jan 28 15:01:40 its like trying to boot a PC with a random hard drive Jan 28 15:01:57 the console does not give me any feedback Jan 28 15:02:23 assertcoke: why are you using that horribly outdated and plain wrong code.google site? Jan 28 15:03:08 sorry but I'm a very beginner of beagleboard Jan 28 15:04:12 koen: easy, why does the site exist? Jan 28 15:04:16 (still) Jan 28 15:04:35 @dm8tbr what you mean by barrel connector? Jan 28 15:07:00 Is there anyone who can help me? Jan 28 15:07:27 assertcoke: 3 people have given you hints, are you implying that those are unhelpful? Jan 28 15:08:18 * av500 cries Jan 28 15:08:19 assertcoke: the beagleboard should be powered through the 5V connector. see SRM for details. Jan 28 15:09:14 i powered it with the microusb.Is not the same? Jan 28 15:09:21 no Jan 28 15:11:58 but some leds light up... Jan 28 15:12:29 av500: you'd have to ask jkridner, I have giving asking him to delete that site Jan 28 15:20:39 * mdp copies the site to put it back up after deletion Jan 28 15:22:10 +1 Jan 28 15:22:43 * mdp places the site in a PVC tube and buries on public lands. Jan 28 15:33:08 breakfast: http://www.nerdygaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Nuggets-French-Fries-hamburger-Pizza.jpg Jan 28 16:04:37 morning Jan 28 16:14:56 av500: that looks horrible Jan 28 16:20:45 hi I am looking for some books to better understand hardware/software interfacing and core concepts of computing, any recommendations? Is Computer Architecture or Computer Organization better? (both are by Hennessy and Patterson and these authors have been recommended to me before) Jan 28 16:21:09 must be monday Jan 28 16:23:23 jeet: Those, and Stallings has a good one on Architecture that we used for all my uni courses. Jan 28 16:24:30 which one did you like? he seems to have a few Jan 28 16:24:41 jeet: Yes. Jan 28 16:24:50 jeet: Basically, just start reading. Jan 28 16:25:07 Alright then, there is a henessy and patterson book for 100 at my uni's bookstore Jan 28 16:25:18 is that overpriced? Jan 28 16:26:11 Sounds about the right ballpark, but I recommend Amazon if it is not for a class. Jan 28 16:26:29 (if it is I still recommend it, but you have to think ahead for timing). Jan 28 16:26:49 hmm yeah CDN$ 71.47 on amazon Jan 28 16:26:50 thanks Jan 28 16:27:12 jeet: Also, i strongly recommend taking one or two architecture courses if you really want to understand this stuff, especailly if labs are available--best way to learn is through doing with a qualified person around to ask questions. Jan 28 16:30:42 alrighty, i've taken courses on fpga, micro controllers, etc Jan 28 16:30:55 but yeah, not on computer architecture/design Jan 28 16:32:00 or operating systems Jan 28 16:33:54 Well, those three are likely to be different courses. Jan 28 16:38:40 robclark: xf86-video-modesetting running on an LCD7 now :) Jan 28 16:38:42 True, but i'm hoping i have picked up enough fundamentals to carry on with books + internet help Jan 28 16:39:02 koen, nice Jan 28 16:40:16 jeet: It really helps to have a piece of hardware to play with, do you? Jan 28 16:40:40 what type? Jan 28 16:41:10 jeet: Depends on the architecute you want to play with, and how. Jan 28 16:41:24 An FPGA and softcores make playing with a variety easy. Jan 28 16:41:31 ah perfect Jan 28 16:41:35 i actually had a course like that Jan 28 16:41:42 uC-OS on altera fpga Jan 28 16:41:47 On the other hand, a beagle of some kind or an Arduino lets you do the software side eaiser for cheaper. Jan 28 16:41:53 sadly i didn't work very hard, but i'm willing to pick up an fpga board Jan 28 16:42:18 i would like to understand linux, embedded C, on-board computers, these types of things - if that makes sense Jan 28 16:42:33 hardware Jan 28 16:43:21 would a laptop running linux, and an fpga board be a good start? Jan 28 16:43:43 anybody have any experience with v4l/ Jan 28 16:43:57 *v4l2 specificlly. Jan 28 16:44:44 reeee Jan 28 16:45:03 jeet yes and a lot of time Jan 28 16:45:13 or money to pay a trainer Jan 28 16:45:40 what level of knowledge do you assume of me when you make that statement? Jan 28 16:46:35 -> i would like to understand linux, embedded C, on-board computers, these types of things - if that makes sense Jan 28 16:46:59 i don't see how that answers my question Jan 28 16:47:56 which of them? Jan 28 16:48:04 what level of knowledge do you assume of me when you make that statement? Jan 28 16:48:27 none Jan 28 16:48:33 ah well there's your mistake ;) Jan 28 16:48:45 but i appreciate the input regardless Jan 28 16:49:01 maybee you make the mistake to think you will learn the stuff in one week Jan 28 16:49:12 one week? Jan 28 16:49:21 i dont even... Jan 28 16:51:15 heading out, thanks all Jan 28 16:58:33 nice one: Give a carrier ubuntu and you'll end up with crapuntu.. Jan 28 16:58:40 Yes, but what about cyanbuntu?ï»¿ Jan 28 16:59:46 av500: use cyanidefox instead Jan 28 17:00:00 av500 where did you read it? Jan 28 17:02:20 woglinde: the internet Jan 28 17:02:28 woglinde: a new club Jan 28 17:02:32 jesus Jan 28 17:02:46 he spoke about the devil Jan 28 17:05:31 woglinde, this is not what I expected to wake up to...now I have to read backlog to get context. Jan 28 17:06:03 woglinde: googleplus Jan 28 17:06:21 woglinde: its were all the cool Linux people are now Jan 28 17:08:49 ka6sox its not a penny worth Jan 28 17:09:02 av500 I am not cool Jan 28 17:09:20 woglinde: you are cool to me :P Jan 28 17:10:58 mranostay oh my good Jan 28 17:12:24 Well, hello. Jan 28 17:12:36 I want to port Darwin to OMAP3. Jan 28 17:12:43 Charles? Jan 28 17:12:55 Me? Jan 28 17:12:59 I'm not Charles :/ Jan 28 17:14:18 lol they all think its friday Jan 28 17:14:33 It's Monday :O Jan 28 17:14:42 Kristina, good luck Jan 28 17:14:44 yes but talking like its friday Jan 28 17:15:23 is there Darwin for ARM? Jan 28 17:15:35 dm8tbr: Not open source. Jan 28 17:16:09 so what do you want to port then? Jan 28 17:16:21