**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 07 02:59:58 2013 Feb 07 03:00:18 emeb: ping Feb 07 03:00:37 prpplague: hola amigo. que paso? Feb 07 03:00:59 emeb: hey, playing with some vhdl Feb 07 03:01:06 kewl. Feb 07 03:01:09 you winning? Feb 07 03:01:12 emeb: no... Feb 07 03:01:36 prpplague: what seems to be the trouble? Feb 07 03:02:00 emeb: got some code working that will count the frequency for a square wave, but i seem to be missing something for getting to work with a sine wave clock Feb 07 03:02:42 emeb: got any reference material you could recommend? Feb 07 03:02:56 Ummm... Feb 07 03:03:04 depends on what the issue is. Feb 07 03:03:20 you trying to square up a sine-wave on an input pin? Feb 07 03:03:58 emeb: yea basically Feb 07 03:04:46 so you need to choose the right configuration for the IOB that's receiving the sine clock... Feb 07 03:05:15 and that's technology/vendor specific. Best place to look is in the various user guides and data sheets for the FPGA you're using. Feb 07 03:05:42 prpplague: what kind of FPGA you using? Feb 07 03:06:08 ahh ok that gives me a place to start Feb 07 03:06:20 emeb: playing around with the papilio board Feb 07 03:06:40 OK. so it's a Spartan 3 (not sure if it's 3A or 3E) Feb 07 03:07:06 yea 3E Feb 07 03:07:24 but there are low voltage swing and schmitt trigger options available that should help with that waveform. Feb 07 03:08:55 ahh ok thanks, i'll do some reading Feb 07 03:10:53 prpplague: good luck. Feb 07 03:11:01 emeb: thanks Feb 07 03:11:11 emeb: i appreciate the help Feb 07 03:11:31 emeb: i'll probably get with you at the end of march to see about that work we discussed Feb 07 03:13:21 prpplague: Check out Xilinx UG331, Chapter 10 on IO resources. That should get you started. Feb 07 03:13:38 'lo prpplague Feb 07 03:13:42 prpplague: end of march would be cool. Feb 07 03:15:29 emeb: thanks Feb 07 03:15:37 Shadyman: greetings Feb 07 03:29:10 emeb: looks like what i need to use is the DCM instead Feb 07 03:30:17 prpplague: use the DCM to sync clocks or multiply/divide them Feb 07 03:30:40 prpplague: but you still need some sort of input structure - the DCM in not an I/O structure. Feb 07 03:31:23 emeb: ahh Feb 07 03:32:13 you need an IBUF or IBUFG (depending on which pins you're driving the clock to) Feb 07 03:32:27 and the choose the IOSTANDARD that applies. Feb 07 03:32:38 and possibly other attributes. Feb 07 03:34:00 * prpplague will continue hacking Feb 07 03:34:04 prpplague: often the synthesis tool will infer an IBUF for any signals you bring in/out of the top level of hierarchy Feb 07 03:34:28 but you may want more control, so instantiating it with desired attributes helps. Feb 07 03:42:40 * mranostay thinks Feb 07 03:43:25 prpplague: btw you need to stop wearing that purple fedora to job interviews :P Feb 07 03:46:52 mranostay: indeed Feb 07 03:47:22 * mranostay thinks prpplague's 'indeed' is the same his 'interesting' Feb 07 03:48:00 hehe Feb 07 03:49:07 mranostay: indeed Feb 07 04:02:55 emeb: you ever used this http://ghdl.free.fr/site/pmwiki.php ? Feb 07 04:04:59 prpplague: no. Seen it before, but not used it. Feb 07 04:05:39 belay that - I did use it a little long ago, but not lately. Feb 07 04:06:11 prpplague: for day job I tend to use Modelsim - the free version that Altera provides. Feb 07 04:06:35 I've also used ISIM - the free version that Xilinx provides with their toolsuite. Feb 07 04:07:00 emeb: ahh Feb 07 04:08:12 who let the hardware peopple in here? :) Feb 07 04:08:24 mranostay: you're ONE OF US NOW... Feb 07 04:08:46 crap Feb 07 04:08:51 can i leave the cult? :) Feb 07 04:09:06 I think that the Eagles had a song about that... Feb 07 04:17:47 mranostay: One does not simply LEAVE the cult. Feb 07 04:22:24 beagle is hardware, unfrotatly it needs ome software on it Feb 07 04:29:52 has anyone made proposals to move past the pinctrl-single dt thing? Feb 07 04:29:58 something with actual names? Feb 07 04:50:47 Russ: dreamer? Feb 07 04:51:14 you could say that I am Feb 07 04:51:23 but am I the only one? Feb 07 04:52:04 #beagle is musical tonight Feb 07 04:52:43 Protoboard life begins... Feb 07 04:59:53 Russ: this your first talk at ELC? Feb 07 04:59:57 as well rather Feb 07 05:00:04 ds2 : don't forget to document exact steps! Feb 07 05:00:10 mranostay, yup Feb 07 05:01:55 Russ: slides done? Feb 07 05:02:06 not even close Feb 07 05:02:15 how many hours? Feb 07 05:02:26 hours? Feb 07 05:02:34 until you go on stage? Feb 07 05:03:55 heh around 13 days Feb 07 05:04:38 so so so glad i'm the first slot again :) Feb 07 05:05:20 450 Feb 07 05:05:22 er, 350 Feb 07 05:06:05 323 here Feb 07 05:06:19 er 326 Feb 07 05:07:01 closer to 325 Feb 07 05:07:29 * mranostay kicks Russ Feb 07 05:07:33 plenty of time Feb 07 05:08:16 I think I'll set up a script to text you every hour on the hour the number of remaining hours Feb 07 05:10:35 Russ: death row inmates don't even that stress :P Feb 07 05:11:07 *have Feb 07 05:11:13 sorry, I'll tone it down Feb 07 05:11:23 I'll just make it the number of hours till slides are due Feb 07 05:11:54 i have those mostly done Feb 07 05:12:07 75% recycled Feb 07 05:14:36 Russ: still surprised nobodies PRU talk got accepted Feb 07 05:15:01 maybe they thought it was too much advertising a specific feature? Feb 07 05:15:13 maybe Feb 07 05:15:50 resubmit "bitbanging: re-explored" next time? Feb 07 05:16:59 Russ: we should submit a bitbanging BoF for next ELC/ELCE :) Feb 07 05:18:02 I think we need extreme bit banging Feb 07 05:18:06 include edma or something Feb 07 05:21:26 ok, this is a problem. glib has a whole bunch of these "test program" tests. how are they supposed to be dealt with when cross-compiling? Feb 07 05:22:04 probably disabled Feb 07 05:31:52 they better be. Feb 07 05:37:31 hey ka6sox Feb 07 05:55:07 mranostay: i don't see what flag disables them in ./configure --help Feb 07 05:55:58 --disable-modular-tests didn't do it - that surelooks like the option to disable this. Feb 07 06:02:14 heya mranostay Feb 07 06:04:35 christ what is pointpoint doing... Feb 07 06:08:26 * mranostay kicks the beachball of death Feb 07 06:32:18 and emeb_mac is here Feb 07 06:32:34 yep Feb 07 06:32:51 ph34r! Feb 07 06:32:54 moved from the office to the lazyboy Feb 07 06:33:48 ka6sox and I have been doing "duelling schematics" this evening. Feb 07 06:34:15 * ka6sox moves to the La-z-boy Feb 07 06:34:30 I've spent the day making parts. Feb 07 06:34:48 the schematic will be dirt simple compared to this. Feb 07 06:35:19 that's the easy part - plopping down components and running nets Feb 07 06:35:31 then layout is the fun part :) Feb 07 06:35:53 ya, a few days from that I'm afraid... Feb 07 06:36:00 must go thru plan checking first. Feb 07 06:36:48 * mranostay is thinking of how to make $$$ with his PRU apps :) Feb 07 06:38:47 sell 'em on iTunes store? Feb 07 06:39:38 mranostay, I needed to start with a blank canvas....so I'm good. Feb 07 06:42:11 emeb_mac: cute Feb 07 06:52:38 emeb_mac: think all in one debugger :) Feb 07 06:53:33 nice Feb 07 07:01:10 emeb_mac: only thing is thinking about the clock cycles for 'jmp' instructions Feb 07 07:02:03 going to do a full-on IDE? Feb 07 07:02:33 heh not me... i know people Feb 07 07:02:42 i know my limits :) Feb 07 07:02:51 mranostay, wait..its not fixed timing? Feb 07 07:04:21 ka6sox: the PRU? Feb 07 07:04:33 ya Feb 07 07:05:08 yeah it is Feb 07 07:07:58 i could have 8kb of mov r25,r30 instructions and one jmp to the beginning on one core Feb 07 07:08:22 and only have one clock cycle wasted out of 8k Feb 07 07:11:26 i feel like my clocks just wasted. Feb 07 07:17:56 emeb_mac: of course it can only be useful for 100 mhz or less as a logic analyzer Feb 07 07:18:30 that's handy Feb 07 07:19:04 but unlike the OLS i can do it continuously Feb 07 07:20:40 useful for I2C and SPI Feb 07 07:21:44 stream direct into system RAM. Feb 07 07:21:50 no limits on buffer size. Feb 07 07:21:58 yes Feb 07 07:22:05 unless you exceed the memory bandwidth... Feb 07 07:22:09 well of course Feb 07 07:22:55 sounds handy. Feb 07 07:23:05 need to get another few bones Feb 07 07:23:34 I see an idea for another cape - a logic analyzer interface w/ programmable levels / thresholds, etc. Feb 07 07:23:46 emeb_mac: that is were i was going :) Feb 07 07:24:06 you have all 3 common logic levels on the header for you Feb 07 07:24:11 1.8v, 3.3v and 5v Feb 07 07:24:19 and then if you were to get really crazy make a pattern generator too... Feb 07 07:25:43 we are all crazy here Feb 07 07:25:58 * emeb_mac doesn't argue Feb 07 07:26:11 good moaning, trolls and gentlemen Feb 07 07:27:16 good evening to you Feb 07 07:44:59 dm8tbr: hey troll! Feb 07 07:50:41 <_av500_> gm trollolols Feb 07 07:51:11 did it get german in here all of sudden? Feb 07 07:51:46 <_av500_> germane Feb 07 07:53:01 _av500_: FOSDEM looked more fun than ELCE Feb 07 07:55:05 wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bone on battery works Feb 07 07:55:42 en wunderschöne guete morge alli zäme! Feb 07 07:55:49 american please Feb 07 07:56:02 get off my turf before i shot you! Feb 07 07:56:08 ;) Feb 07 07:59:28 i thought the swiss were calm Feb 07 07:59:51 you wanted to be greeted in american, so i did Feb 07 07:59:52 <_av500_> I am still loling hard at "gnome apps" Feb 07 08:00:03 _av500_: gesundheit! Feb 07 08:00:06 <_av500_> in a way, they prove I was right Feb 07 08:00:09 _av500_: but what? Feb 07 08:00:34 <_av500_> gnome apps will package all needed libs Feb 07 08:00:37 <_av500_> in a sandbox Feb 07 08:00:46 <_av500_> like commercial linux vendors do for ages Feb 07 08:00:56 <_av500_> like dll hell, but without the hell Feb 07 08:01:37 <_av500_> all the distro people that tried for years to disentangle bundled libs ... will love that Feb 07 08:03:03 _av500_: I looked at it and the mechanism isn't that bad Feb 07 08:03:36 (I expected it to be very bad) Feb 07 08:04:26 I like the idea of fs namespaces and containers Feb 07 08:04:35 <_av500_> sure Feb 07 08:04:56 any idea why they are doing this? Feb 07 08:04:58 but it sucks that you need to ship your own libs for anything that isn't inthe platform Feb 07 08:05:04 what propblem do they want to solve? Feb 07 08:05:04 _av500_: right, actually I liked the idea. It'll make it a lot easier for other people to write linux apps Feb 07 08:05:14 KotH: "stable api" type of thing Feb 07 08:05:15 specially with gnome's language of choice Feb 07 08:05:20 <_av500_> KotH: my problem Feb 07 08:05:27 _av500_: what is your problem? Feb 07 08:05:33 <_av500_> KotH: I can run new Windows apps on my 15y old XP Feb 07 08:05:44 <_av500_> but I cannot run new linux apps on my 3y old install Feb 07 08:05:47 koen: uhm... a stable api is not something you can solve by packaging everything together Feb 07 08:06:00 <_av500_> KotH: you make the stable api issue go away Feb 07 08:06:04 <_av500_> you hide it Feb 07 08:06:08 <_av500_> by bundling all the stuff Feb 07 08:06:30 _av500_: hmm.. are you talking about abi or api stability? Feb 07 08:06:33 <_av500_> KotH: I can run 15y old windows apps on my win8 install Feb 07 08:06:45 KotH: the idea is that 'gnome-base-1.0' is the same on every distro, you bundle everything outside that Feb 07 08:06:46 <_av500_> KotH: I cannot run 3y old linux apps on my 1day old linux Feb 07 08:06:57 _av500_: and given that drepper is now gone, i expect the libc to get more stable than it used to Feb 07 08:07:05 <_av500_> its not about libc alone Feb 07 08:07:18 hmm... Feb 07 08:07:36 <_av500_> basically, the whole Linux ecosystem is locked into coevolution Feb 07 08:07:47 <_av500_> kernel, X, toolkits, libs Feb 07 08:07:51 <_av500_> that can be a good thing Feb 07 08:08:00 _av500_: the only prob i have is running my stone age old civ ctp.. which i basically do in a chroot (due to libc incompatiblity), other than that i have never encountered version problems Feb 07 08:08:08 _av500_: but then, i do not run gnome or kde apps Feb 07 08:08:15 "we removed the bios emulator from X, but you need kernel x.y to make it work without" Feb 07 08:08:58 _av500_: the biggest advantage imho is that linux has very little cruft, compared to windows Feb 07 08:09:22 _av500_: but yes, if you have apps that dont work just a couple of years down the road, that can be very annoying Feb 07 08:10:10 but do people care for that when it's an 'app'? Feb 07 08:10:50 look at the shit happening on ios and android Feb 07 08:10:59 i dont know Feb 07 08:11:04 i'm not joe average Feb 07 08:11:18 <_av500_> KotH: I agree I am old and therefore biased :) Feb 07 08:11:23 5 years from now means people have replaced their phone 3 times already Feb 07 08:11:24 and actually, beside cell phones and tablets, i have no knowledge what people use Feb 07 08:12:00 _av500_: may i ask where you happend to come across such incompatiblity? Feb 07 08:12:02 <_av500_> KotH: I still run l3enc with some old libc5 :) Feb 07 08:12:02 * koen neither Feb 07 08:12:07 o_0 Feb 07 08:12:12 <_av500_> for lulz Feb 07 08:12:21 _av500_: the libc5 was deprecated when i first touched a linux! Feb 07 08:12:25 <_av500_> see Feb 07 08:12:35 may i call you methusalem? ;) Feb 07 08:12:41 <_av500_> sure Feb 07 08:12:52 <_av500_> as long as you leave food and wine at my door step every sunday Feb 07 08:12:58 <_av500_> good lad Feb 07 08:13:27 <_av500_> KotH: on my 3y old install, I am contantly running into stuff that is hard to get to work Feb 07 08:13:51 <_av500_> of course, I could upgrade it, but then I will lose to ability to recompile our company stuff from 5ys ago Feb 07 08:13:55 "I work on the backend" Feb 07 08:14:04 <_av500_> yes yes Feb 07 08:14:05 <_av500_> VM Feb 07 08:14:09 <_av500_> i know Feb 07 08:14:12 <_av500_> I am also lazy Feb 07 08:14:35 _av500_: oh..kay... Feb 07 08:14:38 _av500_: interesting Feb 07 08:14:54 i'm running debian/stale here and never had that problem Feb 07 08:15:07 <_av500_> maybe its because of Suse :) Feb 07 08:15:09 <_av500_> I blame cartman Feb 07 08:15:12 lol Feb 07 08:15:31 since when do serbs listen to turkish? ;) Feb 07 08:15:56 <_av500_> anyway, I bet these gnome apps will drive flameeyes crazy Feb 07 08:16:02 not only him Feb 07 08:16:18 i remember how much flames mplayer got for shipping its own copy of ffmpeg Feb 07 08:16:52 <_av500_> its all back Feb 07 08:16:56 <_av500_> bundles libs are back :) Feb 07 08:18:43 gm Feb 07 08:18:51 hm ieee membership renewes Feb 07 08:18:55 renewed Feb 07 08:19:10 you're a bit late, aren't you? :) Feb 07 08:19:18 only a bit Feb 07 08:19:33 <_av500_> he is fronm BERlin Feb 07 08:19:40 wasn't the late renewal deadline a week ago? Feb 07 08:19:43 <_av500_> whats a year... Feb 07 08:19:50 hehe Feb 07 08:20:00 koth does not matter Feb 07 08:20:08 they always tell ypou Feb 07 08:20:23 <_av500_> its a scam Feb 07 08:21:56 KotH are you member too? Feb 07 08:22:27 ofc Feb 07 08:22:39 <_av500_> part of the JIHAD group Feb 07 08:22:45 student account Feb 07 08:22:50 yes yes Feb 07 08:23:16 * KotH wonders whether he could apply for a student membership with a psychology course Feb 07 08:24:05 sure Feb 07 08:24:24 <_av500_> knauser Feb 07 08:24:50 * woglinde will put the costs on the tax bill Feb 07 08:26:15 <_av500_> KotH: show them price of a cup of coffee in your place, they will give you free membership Feb 07 08:26:18 <_av500_> out of pity Feb 07 08:26:48 haha Feb 07 08:27:52 _av500_: lol Feb 07 08:28:15 _av500_: knauser? says the guy who went to ELCE as a student ;) Feb 07 08:28:58 <_av500_> I was there to learn Feb 07 08:29:16 lol Feb 07 08:29:19 av500 you cheater Feb 07 08:29:42 <_av500_> I am thinking of changing my PhD theme into "how to fork your own upstream" Feb 07 08:30:42 _av500_: "a study on the fork of libav and ffmpeg"? :) Feb 07 08:31:51 phd lol Feb 07 08:32:54 woglinde: admit it, you're just jealous because you didnt have the same idea to save money! ;) Feb 07 08:33:48 koth no last time my employer paid all Feb 07 08:34:13 and they need a student subscription with photo ours have no photo Feb 07 08:34:24 <_av500_> woglinde: international one has Feb 07 08:34:29 <_av500_> got one for 5€ Feb 07 08:34:34 ah yes Feb 07 08:34:38 you cheater Feb 07 08:34:39 <_av500_> and nobody asked for a n ID Feb 07 08:34:41 *g* Feb 07 08:34:45 <_av500_> I am not cheater Feb 07 08:34:48 <_av500_> no* Feb 07 08:35:19 hm our library has now smarthphone apps intressting Feb 07 08:35:26 <_av500_> library? Feb 07 08:35:31 <_av500_> you can rent out apps? Feb 07 08:35:48 no Feb 07 08:35:51 for searching Feb 07 08:35:56 <_av500_> ah Feb 07 08:36:06 <_av500_> well, these days, they have ebooks and stuff Feb 07 08:36:09 <_av500_> one can never know Feb 07 08:36:48 hm Feb 07 08:36:56 they have pdf's since 15 years or so Feb 07 08:37:09 is a pdf an ebook? Feb 07 08:39:05 _av500_: friend told me yesterday, that their library rents out ebooks Feb 07 08:39:18 <_av500_> yes Feb 07 08:39:24 including an expiry date and all Feb 07 08:39:38 <_av500_> yes Feb 07 08:39:55 <_av500_> and only 7 times because afterwards there are missing pages and dirt .... Feb 07 08:40:05 <_av500_> kids these days... Feb 07 08:40:17 lol Feb 07 08:42:16 hm dman I sued the library online account not this much Feb 07 08:42:24 where is my password Feb 07 08:43:00 <_av500_> no password if you sue them Feb 07 08:43:10 <_av500_> even a little Feb 07 08:43:11 yes Feb 07 08:43:27 hm but I can renew it tomorrow Feb 07 08:47:43 hm intressting jobs from nvidia in berlin Feb 07 08:48:05 selling your soul, are we? Feb 07 08:48:05 must make people envious Feb 07 08:49:45 ? Feb 07 08:49:51 hm they are here? Feb 07 08:49:57 maybe in adlershof Feb 07 08:50:02 <_av500_> they are everywhere Feb 07 08:50:07 <_av500_> run Feb 07 08:50:11 CareBear was via linkedin Feb 07 08:50:13 you don't want to work in adlershof Feb 07 08:50:20 CareBear why? Feb 07 08:50:22 not here channel but here city Feb 07 08:50:37 adlershof is not that but Feb 07 08:50:44 and its near the airport Feb 07 08:50:47 because it's half an hour out from the city center Feb 07 08:50:53 ups s/but/bad Feb 07 08:51:02 with a train that doesn't run very reliably Feb 07 08:51:02 and? Feb 07 08:51:18 <_av500_> its berlin Feb 07 08:51:21 <_av500_> OMG berlin Feb 07 08:51:21 and there's not much fun going on there, and if you want to have fun you have to spend a lot of time on transport Feb 07 08:51:28 * CareBear\ spoiled Feb 07 08:51:36 take a beer with you Feb 07 08:51:47 sounds good! Feb 07 08:52:07 <_av500_> +1 Feb 07 08:52:07 CareBear where do you working? Feb 07 08:52:09 we could play kicker, I might win Feb 07 08:52:15 woglinde : ~ friedrichstr. Feb 07 08:52:43 Awesome Software Engineer, Mobile Apps is funny too Feb 07 08:52:50 ups from nokia Feb 07 08:52:56 <_av500_> yes Feb 07 08:52:59 ha Feb 07 08:53:00 <_av500_> the former gate5 Feb 07 08:53:24 av500 yes Feb 07 08:53:36 Location & Commerce called now as I see Feb 07 08:53:52 88 people have applied haha Feb 07 08:54:57 hm for the nvidia job 18 have apllied Feb 07 08:55:15 <_av500_> says who? Feb 07 08:55:21 linkedin Feb 07 08:55:38 http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=4582008&srchIndex=0&trk=njsrch_hits&goback=%2Efjs_berlin+nvidia_*1_*1_I_de_*1_50_1_R_true_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2 Feb 07 08:56:56 nice url Feb 07 08:57:27 *g* Feb 07 08:58:59 hm ist nvidia arc in fasanen strasse Feb 07 08:59:03 it is Feb 07 08:59:20 in city full of hipsters... Feb 07 08:59:33 <_av500_> meet lennart in the tram Feb 07 08:59:34 yes Feb 07 08:59:36 priceless Feb 07 08:59:42 av500 I never meet him Feb 07 08:59:55 <_av500_> live in a renovierte altbauwohnung Feb 07 09:00:05 <_av500_> with all the other people from Schwaben Feb 07 09:00:05 ynezz in march my our company moves into hipster area Feb 07 09:00:37 <_av500_> if you need to fly somewhere, you can always drive to Poland Feb 07 09:03:07 woglinde: what's the common ratio between male/female hipsters in such areas ? Feb 07 09:03:29 what is a female hipster? Feb 07 09:04:00 hipsterette? ;) Feb 07 09:04:07 :D Feb 07 09:15:40 <_av500_> ohai: http://code.google.com/p/ppcdroid/ Feb 07 09:15:56 <_av500_> what about 86kdroid? Feb 07 09:17:47 6502droid? Feb 07 09:18:03 <_av500_> mdp: ^^^ Feb 07 09:18:08 <_av500_> PRUdroid Feb 07 09:19:04 av500 you have to ask mirabilos for m68k Feb 07 09:19:13 es even porting java to it Feb 07 09:19:17 hi is Feb 07 09:28:15 mirabile is still at it? Feb 07 09:28:16 wow Feb 07 09:28:29 * KotH would have guessed he would get bored after a week or two Feb 07 09:36:58 koth hm I only heard Feb 07 09:40:07 heard what? Feb 07 09:41:56 that he is about proting java vm to m68k Feb 07 09:42:07 of course I could ask him in company chat Feb 07 09:46:29 oh thats fun Feb 07 09:46:59 just what we need Feb 07 09:47:06 another variation Feb 07 09:48:11 woglinde: you work together with mirabile? Feb 07 09:48:35 koth lets say in the same company Feb 07 09:48:52 was he at fosdem this year? Feb 07 09:49:34 dunno Feb 07 09:49:37 i dont know him Feb 07 09:49:54 i only know he is quite obnoxious Feb 07 09:50:12 and forked bsd because he could Feb 07 09:51:34 till later Feb 07 09:51:52 lol.. Feb 07 09:52:02 mrpackethead what is it? Feb 07 09:52:12 what is what? Feb 07 09:52:22 that you are laughing about? Feb 07 09:52:39 just laughing about people in general Feb 07 09:52:48 ah right Feb 07 09:53:01 myself included. Feb 07 09:56:53 imagine what could be acheived if we could channel all the smart people to work together to a common cause Feb 07 09:57:12 yes Feb 07 09:57:24 but he is special Feb 07 09:57:33 as many smart people Feb 07 09:58:03 now really till ltaer Feb 07 10:00:05 mrpackethead: and who would decide what common cause would be worth of all this brain power? Feb 07 10:00:33 that is a differnet problem Feb 07 10:01:45 * KotH would vote for a death star Feb 07 10:03:50 * mrpackethead would vote for a world peach Feb 07 10:04:04 peach? Feb 07 10:04:09 lol. Feb 07 10:04:25 peaches, they are cheap and good right now Feb 07 10:04:35 but world peace would be acceptable Feb 07 10:04:51 how about a big snowing machine für zürich? Feb 07 10:04:59 or even better for all of switzerland? Feb 07 10:05:08 maybe they can work on solving the USA's Gun problem Feb 07 10:05:10 that would give us beautiful mountains of snow Feb 07 10:05:29 You have great mountains already though Feb 07 10:05:30 oh, that's easy to solve: shot everyone who owns a gun on sight Feb 07 10:05:49 yes, but they are not snowy enough... and the cities could use more snow as well Feb 07 10:06:03 only the swiss are crazy enough to build a railway to a station at 12,000' Feb 07 10:06:58 and an observatory where you count something dropping otu of the sky. Feb 07 10:07:00 :-) Feb 07 10:07:08 because we could ;) Feb 07 10:07:49 hey, the germans started to stack stones on top of the zugspitze because an austrian mountain just across the boarder got a couple of meters higher as they build a station on top of it Feb 07 10:09:23 KotH: I need more datapoints to come to a decision about swiss vs italian chocolates Feb 07 10:10:00 koen: good, come over here and we have a nice chat Feb 07 10:10:27 belgin chocolate Feb 07 10:10:48 or even the Chocolate made in teh USA of all palces Feb 07 10:10:54 not that herseys crap Feb 07 10:11:01 mrpackethead: hard to find chocolate in the US Feb 07 10:11:14 mrpackethead: most 'chocolate' candy doesn't contain chocolate anymore Feb 07 10:11:17 mrpackethead: taht we went to fosdem with a total of about 5kg of chocolate should tell you something about belgian chocolate Feb 07 10:11:23 which is why it tastes like vomit Feb 07 10:11:33 Ghiradelli Feb 07 10:11:38 or 'slightly acidic' if you want to be PC Feb 07 10:11:47 yeah, Ghiradelli is nice Feb 07 10:11:58 I like the raspberry dark one Feb 07 10:12:06 The Ghirardelli Chocolate Company is a United States division of Swiss confectioner Lindt & Sprüngli. Feb 07 10:12:10 my 3d printer supplier includes that with every order :) Feb 07 10:12:10 well... Feb 07 10:12:22 <_av500_> koen: make it print chocolate Feb 07 10:12:26 <_av500_> not this crummy PLA Feb 07 10:12:30 (the US one, the belgian one doesn't do chocolate) Feb 07 10:12:31 <_av500_> it tastes awgul Feb 07 10:12:59 _av500_: you are not suposed to eat that yoda figure you just printed Feb 07 10:13:09 <_av500_> damn Feb 07 10:13:12 <_av500_> too late Feb 07 10:13:15 kotH.. lol. Feb 07 10:13:48 _av500_: I bought a roll of alcohol filament to print with Feb 07 10:13:58 <_av500_> er Feb 07 10:14:04 poly vinyl alcohol Feb 07 10:14:08 water soluble Feb 07 10:14:30 <_av500_> so I can drop yoda in water and get drunk? Feb 07 10:14:39 * _av500_ rubs hands Feb 07 10:14:43 go blind, more likely Feb 07 10:14:50 * _av500_ rubs eyes Feb 07 10:15:30 3d alchol printer Feb 07 10:15:35 mranostay: hear that Feb 07 10:15:54 the swiss have invented an alcohol printer! Feb 07 10:16:05 can it print guns as well Feb 07 10:16:53 I have printed gunparts with it Feb 07 10:17:08 we printed a battery holder. Feb 07 10:17:11 does that count? Feb 07 10:17:19 but a lower isn't that usefull to build an actual gun Feb 07 10:17:29 and I wouldn't print an upper or barrel Feb 07 10:17:39 unless I can print with titanium :) Feb 07 10:17:44 laser sinter? Feb 07 10:18:09 I have an FDM Feb 07 10:18:18 laser sinter would be better, but more $$$$$ Feb 07 10:18:37 i have a laser pointer Feb 07 10:18:42 drives the cat mad. Feb 07 10:18:42 <_av500_> for a single shot IED, plastic is fine Feb 07 10:18:56 <_av500_> see that movie Feb 07 10:19:48 i tryed cutting a stencil with the laser cutter today Feb 07 10:19:53 in 3mil mylar Feb 07 10:20:01 worked remarkably well Feb 07 10:20:34 which reminds me... i should go and try the local fablab Feb 07 10:21:16 i don't think they would last for many copies. Feb 07 10:21:22 but for protos, its fine Feb 07 10:21:42 not quite as sharp a release as a stainless one. Feb 07 10:24:44 but you dont do many copies with your milling machine anyways, do you? Feb 07 10:25:23 if we made 2 or 3 of the same thign it woudl be suprizing Feb 07 10:26:03 its certainy quicker and better than blotching on solder paste with a needle! Feb 07 10:26:11 ugh.. yeah Feb 07 10:26:57 in my experience, it's better to use a small soldering iron and put small amounts of solder on the pads instead of using paste Feb 07 10:27:39 paste deposit with needles just doesnt work well with the small pads we have these days Feb 07 10:28:08 not really Feb 07 10:28:17 even 0402's its problematic Feb 07 10:29:05 i do a hybrid these days. Feb 07 10:29:16 a lot of stuff is pasted, and then baked Feb 07 10:29:26 and then i'll come back and put on the problematic bits by hand. Feb 07 10:29:36 <_av500_> try copy&paste Feb 07 10:30:08 the electroplater is almost done. Feb 07 10:30:11 finally Feb 07 10:32:03 mrpackethead: with 0402's i dont even bother to get them into the oven Feb 07 10:32:13 mrpackethead: soldering by hand is much faster, especially for single pieces Feb 07 10:32:27 rubbish. Feb 07 10:32:37 then your doing it wrong Feb 07 10:32:41 could be Feb 07 10:32:57 how are you placing them? Feb 07 10:33:01 tweezerS? Feb 07 10:33:04 juup Feb 07 10:33:11 we dont have a pick&place machine Feb 07 10:33:11 ahh, thats your problem Feb 07 10:33:12 mrpackethead: ever seen KotH handle a soldering iron? Feb 07 10:33:37 <_av500_> like a saracen Feb 07 10:35:12 if your using twezzers then i woudl agree. Feb 07 10:37:05 mrpackethead: what else is there to use that would be faster? Feb 07 10:37:41 mru: nope.. very few people have seen me wielding a soldering iron... and even less lived to tell Feb 07 10:38:15 fewer Feb 07 10:38:46 thanks ^^' Feb 07 10:39:54 KotH, we have a DIMA FP-600 Feb 07 10:40:11 http://www.dimasmt.nl/cmpage/proddetail.asp?nmid=4&nsid=7&pid=9 Feb 07 10:42:26 how well does that thing work with >100 different part types? Feb 07 10:42:49 and how much time do you need for putting the parts into the dispensers? Feb 07 10:44:39 think its got 90 bins Feb 07 10:44:47 and it doe'snt take too long Feb 07 10:45:10 i ave a couple of tape feeders as well Feb 07 10:45:26 for stuff like 100nF caps, which you seem to place lot sof Feb 07 10:45:37 well.. yes Feb 07 10:45:56 100nF, 10k and such stuff... but that's only 1% of the stuff on a pcb Feb 07 10:45:57 <_av500_> manual? Feb 07 10:46:04 yes, its manual Feb 07 10:46:18 <_av500_> but but but its 2013 Feb 07 10:46:27 * woglinde wonders what mrpackethead is building in the end Feb 07 10:46:34 even small pcbs have easily 50+ different component types Feb 07 10:47:27 mrpackethead: and i still dont believe that this is faster than hand soldering single pieces Feb 07 10:48:29 woglinde: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaLjwSpZ6Cs Feb 07 10:48:51 thats ok. Feb 07 10:48:58 you can choose to belive or not Feb 07 10:49:01 <_av500_> mru: good one Feb 07 10:49:28 any tom waits reference is a good one Feb 07 10:49:40 woglinde: mostly microcontroller stuff Feb 07 10:52:28 <_av500_> lol Feb 07 10:52:39 <_av500_> the gnome apps post just got the 1st BSD comment Feb 07 10:52:52 <_av500_> what was taking them so long Feb 07 10:53:01 what post? Feb 07 10:53:03 yes nice Feb 07 10:53:14 javascript Feb 07 10:53:16 I guess Feb 07 10:54:11 <_av500_> mru: gregkh Feb 07 10:54:14 <_av500_> g+ Feb 07 10:54:33 must've missed it Feb 07 10:54:45 <_av500_> it has potential Feb 07 10:55:14 <_av500_> gnome wants to put android intents and binder into linux Feb 07 10:55:23 o.O Feb 07 10:55:36 <_av500_> intents are called portals Feb 07 10:55:40 <_av500_> and some unnamed IPC Feb 07 10:55:50 <_av500_> to interop between sandboxed app bundles Feb 07 10:56:04 hm thats new I thought they only wanted to use javascript for gnome-apps Feb 07 10:57:47 <_av500_> sec Feb 07 10:58:05 <_av500_> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/GNOME-developers-plan-Linux-apps-1798691.html Feb 07 10:58:59 so like osx, systemd+gnome is a non-unix os running on a unix-like kernel Feb 07 10:59:49 :-) Feb 07 11:00:53 <_av500_> mru: face it, unix is dead Feb 07 11:01:13 they said that 20 years ago Feb 07 11:04:02 and they will repeat it in 20y as well Feb 07 11:04:16 we all feared it Feb 07 11:04:22 now it comes true Feb 07 11:04:27 dbus in kernel Feb 07 11:04:40 huh? Feb 07 11:04:46 they got the patches in? Feb 07 11:05:04 read the article Feb 07 11:05:15 there is a 'dbus in kernel' style implementation going into the LTSI kernel I read Feb 07 11:05:24 lets see if I can dig it out Feb 07 11:06:04 <_av500_> lunch Feb 07 11:06:05 http://lwn.net/Articles/504722/ Feb 07 11:06:08 and gnome goes the java way Feb 07 11:06:17 big fat jar Feb 07 11:06:26 <_av500_> yes Feb 07 11:06:50 a dbus for dbus Feb 07 11:06:54 yes lunch Feb 07 11:07:00 good idea Feb 07 11:07:15 and AXE supermodels break up with ubuntu users ... bad times for linux Feb 07 11:07:16 jackmitchell: i remember that one Feb 07 11:07:29 jackmitchell: but it got thorn into pieces Feb 07 11:07:47 there was also another a few years ago by a company near me, embecosm maybe.. Feb 07 11:07:51 ogra_ you are no kosmonaut Feb 07 11:08:14 woglinde, yeah, i guess the guy in the suit is my boss ... :) Feb 07 11:08:32 http://lwn.net/Articles/434361/ Feb 07 11:08:44 and ogra its only called AXE in germany Feb 07 11:08:59 is it ? Feb 07 11:09:05 what is? Feb 07 11:09:12 maybe some other country Feb 07 11:09:15 but not uk Feb 07 11:09:17 mru, the deodorant ... Feb 07 11:09:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvBDLAA1hFE Feb 07 11:09:33 goes by that name in scandinavia too Feb 07 11:10:19 woglinde, thats a superbowl AD ... so i would expect it to be named like this in the US too Feb 07 11:10:34 ah Feb 07 11:10:36 okay Feb 07 11:10:50 (well, it refers to superbowl ... more a post-superbowl one) Feb 07 11:11:03 hm intressting the no silver bullet paper is timeless Feb 07 11:13:26 hm should dig p what interlisp is Feb 07 11:13:34 aeh was Feb 07 11:15:53 ahaha I should make a poster of that Feb 07 11:15:56 Many students of the art hold out more hope for object-oriented programming than for any of the other technical fads of the day Feb 07 11:16:53 http://kuvaton.com/browse/25322/pc_interior_design.jpg Feb 07 11:16:57 looks pretty good :-p Feb 07 11:18:10 disk is not connected Feb 07 11:19:07 mru: who needs them anyway :-p Feb 07 11:19:53 http://kuvaton.com/browse/25319/keyboard_garden.jpg Feb 07 11:20:06 barbie computer house? Feb 07 11:37:53 * jackmitchell highly approves of keyboard garden Feb 07 11:39:12 * _av500_ considers to fan the flames Feb 07 11:43:42 do you think this kernel bug could be caused by locking issues, or does it seem like one for higher up the food chain? As I can't see any reference to my module apart from the fact that I call the spi_sync which most likely prompted the issue: https://pastee.org/uycc7 Feb 07 11:44:27 in the IRQ all I do is pop my stuff to do into a workqueue so I don't actually do any processing in there Feb 07 11:44:53 woglinde: iirc it's axe everywhere except the uk Feb 07 11:44:57 I think it was probably in the workqueue rather than in the ieq Feb 07 11:45:04 s/ieq/irq Feb 07 11:52:41 _av500_: where ever you fan them, please let me know :) Feb 07 11:54:30 <_av500_> KotH: no need. lu_zero is on it Feb 07 11:55:25 _av500_: and where is it? Feb 07 11:55:56 <_av500_> g+ Feb 07 11:56:02 <_av500_> where all the coll stuff is these days Feb 07 11:56:05 <_av500_> cool* Feb 07 11:56:19 <_av500_> https://plus.google.com/u/0/111049168280159033135/posts/BnwuJsCNjJa Feb 07 11:58:07 ieehks g+ again Feb 07 12:01:44 google-is-everything Feb 07 12:01:58 <_av500_> hai Feb 07 12:02:21 google provides useful services Feb 07 12:02:27 that's more than most companies can say Feb 07 12:02:37 we provide usefull services as well Feb 07 12:02:55 yes, but does e.g. facebook? Feb 07 12:03:35 with facebook you can share your private emails with everyone Feb 07 12:03:43 millions of teenies would say "yes!" :) Feb 07 12:04:41 <_av500_> mru: http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2012/08/10/rethinking-the-shell-pipeline/ Feb 07 12:04:49 <_av500_> I guess you love that one too Feb 07 12:04:55 and you can even play farmeville with everyone Feb 07 12:05:03 _av500_: I don't need to read it Feb 07 12:05:16 * woglinde wonders when google will target at games Feb 07 12:05:19 I can extrapolate the content from the url Feb 07 12:05:26 <_av500_> recently there was a bit of banging on FB too Feb 07 12:05:40 <_av500_> woglinde: there are games already Feb 07 12:05:48 'the shell is 40 years old, we need to replace it with something "modern"' Feb 07 12:05:58 <_av500_> typed data in pipes Feb 07 12:06:20 _av500_: that aproach is nearly halfway sane! Feb 07 12:06:22 with computer getting faster shell is getting faster Feb 07 12:06:49 dont rip the shell from my dead cold hands Feb 07 12:06:50 typed data in pipes ++ Feb 07 12:07:13 woglinde: you should wear gloves in winter Feb 07 12:07:25 I am must afraid it's going to be called xml shell Feb 07 12:07:27 ascii text is a data type Feb 07 12:10:15 hm his out put is wrong Feb 07 12:10:23 it has xorg instead of wayland Feb 07 12:10:39 <_av500_> KotH: dont let mru hear that Feb 07 12:12:47 keesj: xml is old, json is all the rage now Feb 07 12:13:19 keesj: and thank you for working on minix, it gets rid of those pesky bsd-beards real quickly :) Feb 07 12:14:58 <_av500_> koen: how do I use minix to drive bsd away? Feb 07 12:15:05 <_av500_> I have a signed minix CD Feb 07 12:16:01 :p Feb 07 12:16:59 I had to print my own MINIX 3 t-shirt for FOSDEM . U I think I can get is signed Feb 07 12:17:20 _av500_: loll.... right you got that a couple of years ago :) Feb 07 12:17:28 no plan9? Feb 07 12:17:28 _av500_: i still wonder why Feb 07 12:20:19 <_av500_> because I could Feb 07 12:21:03 _av500_: noooo, not GVariant! Feb 07 12:21:22 * jackmitchell should know not to click the troll bait by now... Feb 07 12:21:23 <_av500_> G is for Great, eh? Feb 07 12:21:54 can someone please start a big troll on friday? Feb 07 12:22:07 I have a 14 hour trip to to texas on sunday Feb 07 12:22:15 I need to have some entertainment available Feb 07 12:22:33 <_av500_> wifi on the plane? Feb 07 12:23:24 <_av500_> koen: start a troll yourself Feb 07 12:23:34 <_av500_> a.g. propose angstrom to go gnome.apps Feb 07 12:23:42 and new gmail accounts are free Feb 07 12:24:23 koen do not sleep today Feb 07 12:24:29 so you can on the trip Feb 07 12:24:36 do not sleep till sunday Feb 07 12:24:48 <_av500_> no sleep till brooklyn Feb 07 12:25:15 yeah Feb 07 12:25:20 beastie boys Feb 07 12:25:24 or so Feb 07 12:26:23 Zombie 2.0 Feb 07 12:26:37 _av500_: only 'video' according to seatguru.com Feb 07 12:26:48 _av500_: I can load the pages onto my kindle Feb 07 12:26:54 <_av500_> so you have to troll yourself Feb 07 12:27:13 does the plane have seat-to-seat messaging? Feb 07 12:27:58 <_av500_> is it an infinite plane? Feb 07 12:28:12 ah, the second leg does have wifi Feb 07 12:28:13 mru *g* Feb 07 12:28:54 _av500_: hopefully it's not a ground plane Feb 07 12:30:11 <_av500_> as long as it not a hand plane Feb 07 12:30:31 koen, left ot right leg ? Feb 07 12:30:36 *or Feb 07 12:32:57 dunno, the texas leg Feb 07 12:33:28 good steak Feb 07 12:34:57 right Feb 07 12:35:13 * KotH wouldnt mind some steak now Feb 07 12:35:15 but steak in texas can be confusing Feb 07 12:35:27 the TXLC specialtly is a smoked steak Feb 07 12:35:40 which tasted exactly like dutch fastfood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookworst Feb 07 12:35:51 so that one is wasted on me Feb 07 12:36:07 rookworst lets see Feb 07 12:36:19 * ogra_ prefers tobacco to smoking steaks Feb 07 12:36:34 the fat taints the paper ... Feb 07 12:36:42 koen: if you ever make it to kyushu, go and have some kurobuta Feb 07 12:36:56 and I don't get the texas tradition of drinking watered down beer served by bitchy half dressed jailbait Feb 07 12:37:23 koen: they have to be bitchy, otherwise they get raped by every second customer Feb 07 12:37:48 <_av500_> this is going non-PC Feb 07 12:37:59 this channel was never about PCs Feb 07 12:38:17 there's #rpi for that Feb 07 12:38:17 * koen mentally prepares for 4 weeks of bud light Feb 07 12:38:20 bruederle Feb 07 12:38:22 this channel has been R rated at least since i joined Feb 07 12:38:54 koen take some heineken with you Feb 07 12:38:59 blech Feb 07 12:39:11 or augustiner Feb 07 12:39:13 that canal water is everywhere Feb 07 12:39:23 I would kill for some grolsch in texas Feb 07 12:39:30 hehe Feb 07 12:39:31 (they do have guinness) Feb 07 12:39:38 yes grolsch is fine Feb 07 12:39:42 <_av500_> koen: looks like http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkel Feb 07 12:39:45 but we all know guinness doesn't travel well Feb 07 12:39:56 and they probably don't know how to poor it Feb 07 12:39:59 pour Feb 07 12:40:15 guiness does not taste Feb 07 12:40:21 they do a poor pour Feb 07 12:40:34 _av500_: yes, we eat it with gruhnkohl as well Feb 07 12:40:55 <_av500_> yes Feb 07 12:41:38 at one point I was able to distinguish guinness poured with co2 or with a co2/nitrogen mixture Feb 07 12:42:02 then I stopped caring since even the co2 version beats most US beers Feb 07 12:42:56 they call beer a lot of things these days... Feb 07 12:43:08 sweet, you germans even add mustard to gruenkohl Feb 07 12:43:10 ynezz *g* Feb 07 12:43:11 they call a lot of things beer these days Feb 07 12:43:20 <_av500_> koen: I would not know Feb 07 12:43:21 gruenkohl is nice Feb 07 12:43:35 <_av500_> koen: I'm german only by paper Feb 07 12:43:49 and speck Feb 07 12:43:49 mru: you grammar nazi! Feb 07 12:43:52 just how I like it Feb 07 12:44:15 <_av500_> speck is almost as good as bacon Feb 07 12:44:31 Å¡pek is even better Feb 07 12:44:45 koen with dumplings Feb 07 12:45:02 <_av500_> no project can succeed without a proper speck Feb 07 12:45:12 heh Feb 07 12:45:13 do they eat dumplings with chocolate also? Feb 07 12:45:22 the dutch "hot lightning" is called "Himmel und Erde" in germany Feb 07 12:45:39 no hell? Feb 07 12:45:43 * koen should close wikipedia and get back to updating u-boot Feb 07 12:45:47 <_av500_> koen: I suspect you dutch are crypto-germans after all Feb 07 12:46:29 crypto-germans I should patent it Feb 07 12:46:44 hi guys, does anyone know how to enable all cpu frequencies on BBxM using Sitara Linux? As I guess it was designed for the BeagleBoard (no xM) Feb 07 12:47:03 mock-germans? Feb 07 12:47:06 <_av500_> what is Sitara Linux? Feb 07 12:47:14 <_av500_> it is like Torvald's Linux? Feb 07 12:47:23 <_av500_> Crofton|work: faux germans Feb 07 12:47:40 _av500_: it's *linux Feb 07 12:47:43 av500 no comes from india Feb 07 12:47:59 hm its not friday Feb 07 12:48:00 but they outsourced it to instead with translated the asterisk as 'star' Feb 07 12:48:03 starklombardi, what does /etc/issue say? Feb 07 12:48:11 * Crofton|work slaps the trolls Feb 07 12:48:14 oblivious to the other star product: stellaris Feb 07 12:48:58 it's the 's' in SDK Feb 07 12:50:17 starklombardi: we don't support sitari linux here, that's a TI product, so contact your TI rep for support Feb 07 12:50:24 _____ _____ _ _ | _ |___ ___ ___ ___ | _ |___ ___ |_|___ ___| |_ | | _| .'| . | . | | __| _| . | | | -_| _| _| |__|__|_| |__,|_ |___| |__| |_| |___|_| |___|___|_| |___| |___| Arago Project http://arago-project.org \n \l Arago 2011.09 \n \l Feb 07 12:50:28 ok ok Feb 07 12:50:56 starklombardi: enjoy your system without VFP and NEON support Feb 07 12:51:03 that ascii-art looks a bit mangled Feb 07 12:51:43 do you recommend Angstrom better? Feb 07 12:51:44 <_av500_> 2011.9 is well within bradfa 's 5y support.... Feb 07 12:51:47 'sitara linux' was so much designed for the xM that they included armv5te versions of libc, libm, etc Feb 07 12:51:56 starklombardi: of course Feb 07 12:51:59 * bradfa scrolls up Feb 07 12:52:04 <_av500_> koen: maybe for ZaurusXM? Feb 07 12:52:09 starklombardi: the xM comes without preinstalled Feb 07 12:52:37 koen? Feb 07 12:52:44 without preinstalled Feb 07 12:52:45 ehm Feb 07 12:52:52 s/without/with angstrom/ Feb 07 12:53:09 <_av500_> koen: you mean like bloatware? Feb 07 12:53:09 * koen heads out to lunch before making any less sense Feb 07 12:53:27 * bradfa doesn't need neon or vfp so 2011.9 would be reasonable :) Feb 07 12:54:13 ok, but for angstrom i have only found the pre-built kernel and the toolchain for cross-compiling, is there the kernel source code for building it yourself i.e. manually adding/deleting modules? Feb 07 12:54:26 _av500_: speaking of bloatware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutspot Feb 07 12:54:44 <_av500_> starklombardi: yes, you can biuld it yourself Feb 07 12:54:46 starklombardi: no, the kernel is created from pixie dust Feb 07 12:55:10 * koen still doesn't get why people keep asking if a linux kernel has sources Feb 07 12:55:45 starklombardi: go to the angstrom website, click 'developers' and follow the instructions Feb 07 12:56:01 starklombardi: after that, go to the angstrom website and read the news items, look for 'kernel workflow' Feb 07 12:56:23 I know, visiting the project homepage is rocket science Feb 07 12:56:27 <_av500_> koen: there are a lot of sourceless kernels out there Feb 07 12:57:02 <_av500_> useless ones too Feb 07 12:57:13 *g* Feb 07 12:57:50 I refuse to run a kernel where I don't know where the matching source is located Feb 07 12:57:54 so no ubuntu for me Feb 07 12:58:05 apt-get source? Feb 07 12:58:06 crazy bizar launchpad obfuscation Feb 07 12:58:20 apt-get install linux-source? Feb 07 12:58:28 <_av500_> right, oebfuscation is prefered :) Feb 07 12:59:00 woglinde: try doing that with a 'linaro' ubuntu image, or a regular ubuntu arm image Feb 07 13:02:27 koen hm do not have my ac100 at hand Feb 07 13:27:32 slightly off-topic but does one know of a bittorrent tracker for open source stuff ? Feb 07 13:28:40 <_av500_> ? Feb 07 13:28:43 <_av500_> github? Feb 07 13:30:10 hmm they won't like me putting iso's there Feb 07 13:31:35 Why not just use one of the existing trackers? Feb 07 13:32:48 keesj, bitbucket allows upload of binaries Feb 07 13:33:05 no bt though Feb 07 13:34:20 something like http://publicbt.com/ but working Feb 07 13:35:04 but this is indeed not really on-topic Feb 07 13:35:28 * bradfa needs to become informed... Feb 07 13:35:49 #beagle, where being off-topic is on-topic Feb 07 13:44:56 keesj: tpb? Feb 07 13:45:04 keesj: they have everything on there Feb 07 14:12:03 * _av500_ just won a trip to Sophia Feb 07 14:12:09 <_av500_> or Sofia :) Feb 07 14:13:35 _av500_: get-away from your wife and children? Feb 07 14:13:38 ;-> Feb 07 14:33:24 lazyweb: does anyone know of an OTS arm board with 3g and ability to connect to an external antenna? Feb 07 14:34:31 Yes. Feb 07 14:35:01 random fun fact: carrots can cause addiction Feb 07 14:35:12 agmlego: care to share? Feb 07 14:35:15 they can also make you yellow Feb 07 14:35:46 <_av500_> OTS? Feb 07 14:35:48 apearantly it can be deadly Feb 07 14:35:54 jackmitchell: Ever hear of this thing called...a smartphone? Feb 07 14:35:58 off the shelf Feb 07 14:36:06 jackmitchell: dragonboard perhaps Feb 07 14:36:08 jackmitchell: Most have RF testpoints to which an antenna can be attached. Feb 07 14:36:13 mru, but do they make you see better? Feb 07 14:36:18 jackmitchell: Cellphones are totally off the shelf. Feb 07 14:36:22 ka6sox-away: no Feb 07 14:36:26 They are commodity hardware. Feb 07 14:36:41 ka6sox-away: that was a myth spread by british intelligence during ww2 Feb 07 14:36:43 And nearly all of them have some kind of ARM these days. Feb 07 14:36:50 <_av500_> several Feb 07 14:37:32 there's a yocto joke in there somewhere Feb 07 14:37:48 <_av500_> jackmitchell: GTA04 Feb 07 14:37:54 <_av500_> omap3 + option 3G Feb 07 14:38:05 i'm thinking more like a beaglebone but with 3g, is there a 3g cape somewhere, ponders off... Feb 07 14:38:14 <_av500_> I am sure they will put it on a shelf for you Feb 07 14:38:25 <_av500_> 3g USB stick? Feb 07 14:38:32 <_av500_> call it cape Feb 07 14:38:35 <_av500_> or Kate Feb 07 14:38:51 but never late for dinner Feb 07 14:40:10 * ka6sox-away wanders off to fix a Siege Engine....before breakfast Feb 07 14:40:43 jackmitchell: There exist 3G modems on Sparkfun... Feb 07 14:42:33 agmlego: I've got those pages open, about to get round to them Feb 07 14:42:53 jackmitchell: OK, then. Sounds like you pretty much have a solution then. ;-P Feb 07 14:44:08 I always like to ask, there are always buried secrets around here Feb 07 14:44:27 More than you could possibly know... Feb 07 14:44:29 (and bodies too) Feb 07 14:44:31 and when I say buried Feb 07 14:44:51 i mean buried beneath the sarcasm Feb 07 14:44:55 KotH: so are you cooking up some elaborate murder plot? Feb 07 14:45:32 this channel? and sarcasm? surely you jest! Feb 07 14:48:43 _av500_: mmm...my old team's codez ;) Feb 07 14:49:15 av500: that ppcdroid stuff from earlier ;) Feb 07 14:56:38 <_av500_> ah Feb 07 15:02:33 hey Feb 07 15:02:51 <_av500_> ho Feb 07 15:03:05 let's go Feb 07 15:03:30 <_av500_> hmm, 2nd meaning of BB ;) Feb 07 15:05:43 i wanna be sedated? Feb 07 15:06:22 <_av500_> Blitzkrieg Bop Feb 07 15:09:47 mru: juup, trying to get people addicted to carrot chocolate Feb 07 15:09:58 wait what? Feb 07 15:14:03 jakllsch: wait until you hear about my plans for the next JIHAD! Feb 07 15:16:36 i've never heard of carrot chocolate Feb 07 15:16:47 then you've never heard of chocolate Feb 07 15:17:03 I've heard of carrot top, but I wish I haven't Feb 07 15:17:37 UGH! Feb 07 15:17:43 why did i just google that?!? Feb 07 15:17:58 KotH: thanks for sparing me the discomfort Feb 07 15:18:21 * panto adds +1 troll point to his total Feb 07 15:18:47 mru: you're welcome ^^' Feb 07 15:19:20 panto, I'm still reading trolling for dummies Feb 07 15:19:56 * KotH had lectures in advanced trolling last weekend Feb 07 15:20:27 my company won't send me to useful training classes like that Feb 07 15:20:42 they expect you to troll on your own free time Feb 07 15:20:57 mdp: I didn't ask, just went anyway Feb 07 15:20:59 yeah, perhaps on my 20% project Feb 07 15:21:30 whoa, $45 Feb 07 15:21:44 beaglebone black at digikey Feb 07 15:21:50 0 avail Feb 07 15:21:53 mru, if there's trolling training at ELCs then I can get them to pay for it ;) Feb 07 15:22:04 jakllsch: they are not in production Feb 07 15:22:20 mdp: we can always arrange some Feb 07 15:22:29 jakllsch: uninteresting...still way more expensive than RPi *plonk* Feb 07 15:22:50 * mdp waits for a $10 arm11 board Feb 07 15:22:50 mdp: tell me again why you're still reading 'for dummies' Feb 07 15:22:56 eh, at least it has real ethernet Feb 07 15:23:04 meh.. why isnt there an fram msp430 with two spi interfaces in an 24pin qfn? Feb 07 15:23:06 i've not been impressed by rpi Feb 07 15:23:06 mru, I think it's obvious why I have to read those Feb 07 15:23:12 * KotH hates TI for making his life more difficult Feb 07 15:23:26 KotH: how's that? Feb 07 15:23:29 <_av500_> mdp: you can get a $20 wifi router with MIPS Feb 07 15:23:40 _av500_: too much! Feb 07 15:23:49 <_av500_> mdp: buy only the PCBA in china Feb 07 15:23:54 <_av500_> that must be like $5 Feb 07 15:23:55 the rpi hardware is mediocre and the docs for it are even worse Feb 07 15:23:55 hehe Feb 07 15:24:02 $5 lunchpad then Feb 07 15:24:14 mru: i need to interface to two spi devices at the same time with two different interfaces... and this extra-small msp430 does only have one hardware spi interface Feb 07 15:24:21 <_av500_> mru: but mdp will insist running Lennux on it Feb 07 15:24:25 mru, does it run Angstrom? Feb 07 15:24:27 mru: ie the second one needs to be bit banged Feb 07 15:24:30 KotH: so bitbang it :) Feb 07 15:24:35 _av500_, +1 Feb 07 15:24:43 Lennuxd Feb 07 15:24:56 he's a demon alright Feb 07 15:24:57 <_av500_> hmm, a kernel-less systemd might run without MMU.... Feb 07 15:25:04 lol Feb 07 15:25:10 doubtful Feb 07 15:25:19 does it call fork()? Feb 07 15:25:24 as in _ever_ Feb 07 15:25:34 MMU is not required for that Feb 07 15:25:35 _av500_: apropos... what was written on g+ in the fosdem aftermath? Feb 07 15:25:46 jacekowski: yes Feb 07 15:26:11 when yoiu have MMU you can do copy on write and stuff Feb 07 15:26:29 milk COWs Feb 07 15:26:40 mdp: in the swiss alps Feb 07 15:26:40 but, MMU is is not required for memory protection Feb 07 15:26:43 <_av500_> mru: but systemd is all about not forking :) Feb 07 15:26:44 mdp: for superior milk! Feb 07 15:27:05 it's only on x86 that memory protection and virtual memory are provided by one MMU unit Feb 07 15:27:10 KotH: hey, put down that chocolate! Feb 07 15:27:15 some platforms have memory protection but no virtual memory Feb 07 15:27:27 I know that Feb 07 15:27:27 mdp: why? it tastes good! Feb 07 15:27:36 mdp: do you want some? Feb 07 15:27:48 there is mmuless linux Feb 07 15:27:54 I know that too Feb 07 15:28:01 jacekowski: mru knows probably more about operating systems than you do Feb 07 15:28:03 and fork means trouble there Feb 07 15:28:06 KotH: I've powered on my fax machine...will PM the numberz Feb 07 15:28:35 mdp: can i send you an email? we dont usually use faxes here in .ch... they have gone out of fashion a couple of decades ago Feb 07 15:28:44 trouble and inefficient but not impossible Feb 07 15:28:46 whut? Feb 07 15:28:52 <_av500_> KotH: there is Swiss TeleText Feb 07 15:29:09 in most fork+exec cases it can be replaced with vfork and everything is fine Feb 07 15:29:10 _av500_: and german videotext :) Feb 07 15:29:28 <_av500_> yes Feb 07 15:29:57 * panto founds out that the local hackerspace is just 2km away Feb 07 15:30:09 perhaps I should go over there and troll them hard Feb 07 15:30:15 <_av500_> too iuch effort Feb 07 15:30:18 <_av500_> too far away Feb 07 15:30:23 <_av500_> make them come to you Feb 07 15:30:23 panto: I learned at fosdem that there's one here in town too Feb 07 15:30:35 panto, I'll bet somebody will not appreciate becoming a hackerspace widow ;) Feb 07 15:30:44 hehe Feb 07 15:31:10 apropos fosdem and hackers... there was this schottish guy who wants to build a fully open source ompa4 based processor module Feb 07 15:31:16 does anyone know who that might be? Feb 07 15:31:22 or how to contact him? Feb 07 15:31:30 omap4? Feb 07 15:31:37 isn't omap dead? :P Feb 07 15:31:44 forget about it Feb 07 15:32:01 omap4 is only available in high volume Feb 07 15:32:12 if you need modules, go to one of the usual vendors Feb 07 15:32:21 mru: that's what they wanted to do. 10k/y and up Feb 07 15:32:28 that's not high Feb 07 15:32:33 10k/y is not a big amount for TI Feb 07 15:32:35 <_av500_> it all depends Feb 07 15:32:44 * KotH knows Feb 07 15:32:46 <_av500_> if you have a compelling use case Feb 07 15:32:49 <_av500_> TI might bite Feb 07 15:32:49 he said that it'll be enough Feb 07 15:32:50 * panto has no idea what the threshold is now though Feb 07 15:33:05 panto: depending on the processor: 1 :) Feb 07 15:33:16 <_av500_> my employer never bought any large amount of TI chips Feb 07 15:33:17 hehe Feb 07 15:33:21 jo panto Feb 07 15:33:21 <_av500_> still we got them all Feb 07 15:33:26 troll about money Feb 07 15:33:26 hi woglinde Feb 07 15:33:29 _av500_: you're special Feb 07 15:33:34 greece not have Feb 07 15:33:34 <_av500_> I know Feb 07 15:33:36 * woglinde runs Feb 07 15:33:39 mru: _av500_ is intimidating Feb 07 15:33:44 <_av500_> roar Feb 07 15:33:48 see? Feb 07 15:34:12 does u-boot have the concept of if file exists do something? Feb 07 15:34:13 panto, for which TI? Feb 07 15:34:33 for omap TI Feb 07 15:34:39 yours is 'special' Feb 07 15:34:41 oh, well that doesn't even exist ;) Feb 07 15:34:46 no longer mine Feb 07 15:34:50 <_av500_> Crofton|work: in the script? Feb 07 15:35:11 Crofton|work, depends on the filesystem Feb 07 15:35:21 perhaps trying to do fatls or something it will fail Feb 07 15:35:42 hi prpplague Feb 07 15:35:57 yeah fatls may be the approach I need Feb 07 15:36:24 mourning Feb 07 15:36:56 ${usian greeting} mranostay and prpplague Feb 07 15:37:26 hi prpplague Feb 07 15:37:33 hi mranostay Feb 07 15:37:34 export usian_greeting='shooting guns + american eagles screeching' Feb 07 15:37:40 greetings all Feb 07 15:38:12 koen, is meta-beagleboard ready to use with oe-core? I have added the layer and tried to build but it says machine beaglebone not supported - am I missing something obvious? Feb 07 15:38:18 panto: don't you forget it Feb 07 15:40:11 jackmitchell: I haven't checked in the machine.conf yet since it needs some backports Feb 07 15:40:19 jackmitchell: wait till after ELC :) Feb 07 15:41:20 koen: ok, np :) Feb 07 15:42:41 I was ready to check it in and realized xf86-video-modesetting isn't in oe-core/danny Feb 07 15:44:15 koen: wifi capes? hehe Feb 07 15:44:24 ah ok, I was interested as I have a funny feeling building my userspace against the 3.2 PSP but running 3.8-rc6 kernel is causing some unusually high cpu loads and also the cause of perf crashes... Feb 07 15:44:25 koen: i am nagging you because people are nagging me Feb 07 15:44:27 koen: hehe Feb 07 15:44:43 prpplague: still no word Feb 07 15:47:57 prpplague: people are nagging for wifi capes? Feb 07 15:48:08 I added a battery backed up rtc chip (FM31L) on my cape, any hope for me to configure linux to talk to it directly or is my best bet writing some script to do the intermediary? Feb 07 15:48:18 alan_o, I'm nagging about a 6lowpan cape Feb 07 15:48:22 does that count? Feb 07 15:48:41 jsabeaudry, it's pretty trivial if it's a standard i2c part Feb 07 15:49:04 panto, it is a i2c part but it's behind a mux Feb 07 15:49:14 panto: hehe Feb 07 15:49:19 salut alan_o Feb 07 15:49:41 panto why you need 6lowpan Feb 07 15:49:50 <_av500_> of course Feb 07 15:50:13 alan_o, are you going to be at ELC at the den of liberalism? Feb 07 15:50:14 <_av500_> woglinde: because your light switch needs a routable IP Feb 07 15:51:08 av500 yes yes internet of things Feb 07 15:51:21 http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3251.txt Feb 07 15:52:54 <_av500_> ok, freedombox talk wasa waste of time Feb 07 15:53:07 Freedom! Feb 07 15:53:12 you didn't guess that beforehand? Feb 07 15:53:22 _av500_: what is freedombox anyways? Feb 07 15:53:33 jsabeaudry: eww there are so many better choices for a rtc Feb 07 15:53:44 <_av500_> KotH: read what I wrote in libav-devel Feb 07 15:53:51 I enjoy Eben winding up the crowd Feb 07 15:53:58 <_av500_> not here Feb 07 15:54:25 prpplague, such as? Feb 07 15:54:29 _av500_: i only read something about routing your bank account trough china Feb 07 15:54:35 <_av500_> yes Feb 07 15:54:38 <_av500_> thats it Feb 07 15:54:46 <_av500_> freedom Feb 07 15:54:49 prpplague, why is the FM chip not a good choice? Feb 07 15:55:02 <_av500_> FM is dying Feb 07 15:55:09 <_av500_> use digital radio Feb 07 15:55:20 panto: I'll be there. I signed up for a table at tech demo night. Feb 07 15:55:48 alan_o, cool Feb 07 15:56:15 KotH: my offshore bank has been talking up chinese currency lately Feb 07 15:57:49 jsabeaudry: mainly cost Feb 07 15:58:04 alan_o, a table with no wires, right? Feb 07 15:59:23 mdp: maybe Feb 07 15:59:32 * alan_o researches coin cells Feb 07 15:59:51 mdp: do bodge wires on my board count? Feb 07 16:00:04 <_av500_> ok, FFOS talk is boring too Feb 07 16:00:11 <_av500_> key notes are boring Feb 07 16:00:13 <_av500_> :( Feb 07 16:00:54 _av500_: the fxos talk was horrible... Feb 07 16:01:23 jsabeaudry: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MCP79410-I%2FSN/MCP79410-I%2FSN-ND/2480419 Feb 07 16:01:27 when I look at a recent u-boot for the beagle I see that booth the icache and dcaches are enabled. Feb 07 16:01:33 jsabeaudry: combined eeprom and rtc Feb 07 16:01:39 jsabeaudry: you'd only need one part Feb 07 16:01:44 jsabeaudry: and it is dirt cheap Feb 07 16:01:53 but also http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0092b/ch04s03s05.html that the icache is only enalbed if the MMU is enabled Feb 07 16:02:08 <_av500_> yes Feb 07 16:02:12 <_av500_> flat mapping Feb 07 16:02:14 <_av500_> I guess Feb 07 16:02:15 * bradfa seems to have gotten his libcurl issues resolved Feb 07 16:02:15 do u-boot create a simple 1:1 mapping ? Feb 07 16:02:25 <_av500_> bradfa: great Feb 07 16:02:30 <_av500_> keesj: I guess so Feb 07 16:02:31 <_av500_> I would Feb 07 16:02:38 iirc it does Feb 07 16:02:52 <_av500_> the source could tell us Feb 07 16:03:15 <_av500_> or objdump -d Feb 07 16:03:17 prpplague, Interesting, I will forward to the hardware guys, thanks! Feb 07 16:03:29 <_av500_> prpplague: I hope you get 10% Feb 07 16:03:52 hehe Feb 07 16:03:52 I don't see atemtps to disable caches or the MMU befor the "go" command is run (or mboot for that manner) Feb 07 16:04:10 in the later they do some cache flushing. Feb 07 16:04:21 <_av500_> maybe its not needed Feb 07 16:06:20 that would be kinda weird so I need to check. I mean when the kernel is starting it must assume it's running "bare" with no caches (with their artifacts) enabled. Feb 07 16:06:38 bootm_load_os does a cache flush Feb 07 16:06:42 bradfa: yeee haw! Feb 07 16:06:48 <_av500_> NishanthMenon: yes, but not disable it Feb 07 16:06:55 <_av500_> maybe krnel does that at 1st Feb 07 16:06:58 mranostay, +1 Feb 07 16:08:13 cmd_boot (GO) doesn't Feb 07 16:10:50 keesj, that sounds like a bug to me Feb 07 16:11:52 hi emeb Feb 07 16:12:17 hi woglinde Feb 07 16:12:34 for bootm, i might have expected arch_preboot_os to disable caches etc, but i dont seem to see v7 implementation for it Feb 07 16:12:37 funny.. Feb 07 16:13:24 * NishanthMenon wonders if http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/booting.php is still accurate Feb 07 16:15:49 * NishanthMenon queries on #u-boot Feb 07 16:16:38 <_av500_> NishanthMenon: is that URL still running on RMKs armv4 server? Feb 07 16:17:58 _av500_, no clue ;) Feb 07 16:19:15 http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=README;h=2352e3862bfa81f4ad2bca262cc26529ac008fd7;hb=HEAD#l5192 ( MMU is not used ) might also be outdated Feb 07 16:20:05 is the beagle board weather hardened? What temperature ranges can I expect it to work at? Feb 07 16:20:27 keesj, you'd expect dcache to be OFF Feb 07 16:21:35 also certainly the MMU but that luckly appears to be true Feb 07 16:22:07 * NishanthMenon glares at arch/arm/lib/cache-cp15.c Feb 07 16:22:26 abetusk_w: abetusk_w it's in the SRM Feb 07 16:22:40 keesj, response from Tartarus on #u-boot Feb 07 16:23:22 <_av500_> and? Feb 07 16:23:25 jacekowski, SRM? Feb 07 16:23:48 <_av500_> abetusk_w: do not leave it out in the weather Feb 07 16:23:51 _av500_, seems we leave some stuff on because kernel refuses to do anything about it Feb 07 16:23:56 <_av500_> at least put a coat Feb 07 16:24:03 <_av500_> NishanthMenon: lolwut? Feb 07 16:24:20 _av500_, so I can't even bring it outside? It should remain on my desk? Feb 07 16:24:24 _av500_: you heard the ma Feb 07 16:24:25 n Feb 07 16:24:50 abetusk_w: yes Feb 07 16:24:51 Gotta be in some special mode or another to fiddle the bits, on OMAP/related Feb 07 16:25:07 abetusk_w: it's a development board and it's 0-40C Feb 07 16:25:08 I'm too lazy / busy to google up the thread Feb 07 16:25:12 largely on linux-arm-kernel Feb 07 16:25:23 abetusk_w: and it's just a board, without any weatherproofing on it Feb 07 16:25:56 jacekowski, I'm sorry to hear that. Is there any way to get a ruggidized version? Feb 07 16:27:19 abetusk_w: make your own Feb 07 16:27:45 abetusk_w: it's a development board, not something that you would stick in a final device Feb 07 16:29:25 When a development system becomes mature enough, and cheap enough, then it becomes a viable option to make it into final product Feb 07 16:29:32 Linux was a toy operating system to begin with Feb 07 16:29:43 SRM for xM says 0 to 85C Feb 07 16:33:36 * panto waits for the hammer to fall Feb 07 16:34:05 not the needle? Feb 07 16:35:33 Anyone has played with CONFIG_PREEMPT on the bone on 3.8 ? Feb 07 16:35:52 * LetoThe2nd abvises to crank up volume on "hammer to fall" by queen. Feb 07 16:36:54 jsabeaudry: isn't that on in the default config already? Feb 07 16:38:00 koen, nope only CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY Feb 07 16:59:07 There is an omap3530a Feb 07 17:20:17 join #devicetree Feb 07 17:20:20 oops Feb 07 17:24:19 <_av500_> tsk tsk tsk Feb 07 17:24:30 <_av500_> oin #devicetree Feb 07 17:26:30 How to not have automatically assigned i2c bus numbers? (force a certain bus number) Feb 07 17:28:53 jsabeaudry, as it is it's not possible with device tree Feb 07 17:29:01 I have an icky patch that does it Feb 07 17:29:38 panto, i'd love to try that patch :) Feb 07 17:29:49 <_av500_> why insist on a number? Feb 07 17:30:05 _av500_, i have a couple of muxes Feb 07 17:30:21 logical numbering will be better than incremental Feb 07 17:31:11 <_av500_> cant you give them names via DT? Feb 07 17:31:15 <_av500_> and query for that? Feb 07 17:34:12 av500 this four you Feb 07 17:34:13 http://www.jfokus.se/embedded/speakers.jsp?lang=en Feb 07 17:36:35 <_av500_> lol Feb 07 17:36:43 <_av500_> http://www.jfokus.se/embedded/talks.jsp?lang=en#Do%20you%20like%20coffee%20with%20your%20dessert?%20Java%20and%20the%20Raspberry%20Pi Feb 07 17:38:19 <_av500_> jkridner: ^^^^ Feb 07 17:38:38 _av500_: tangent...Simon Ritter would be shot on sight in .us wearing that rig. Feb 07 17:39:25 looks like borg Feb 07 17:39:34 mmmm....bitbanging via java Feb 07 17:40:16 <_av500_> mdp: remember steve mann in Paris McDonald Feb 07 17:40:42 heh, yeah Feb 07 17:42:13 just being forced to eat at McDonalds is enough to make me assault others. Feb 07 17:44:39 it is interesting that bone blk now comes in under the a13-olinuxino price at digikey Feb 07 17:45:07 mdp, do they force people to eat at McDonalds where you live? Feb 07 17:45:39 ka6sox-away: it's a cruel and oppressive land...I'm confident it happens. Feb 07 17:47:15 remind me not to move to where you live... Feb 07 17:47:50 <_av500_> mcdonalds stuff is full of vitaminC Feb 07 17:48:02 ka6sox: it does sound like a terrible place Feb 07 17:48:04 <_av500_> so its applied health care if you force people to eat it Feb 07 17:49:04 I don't even know where the nearest mcdonald's is Feb 07 17:49:12 this morning I went by the McDonalds where the Egg McMuffin was invented... Feb 07 17:49:26 might be one in the food court in one of the malls Feb 07 17:49:43 <_av500_> burgerking is closer here Feb 07 17:49:59 bk is also rather grim Feb 07 17:50:06 bitkeeper! Feb 07 17:50:10 <_av500_> it has the Whopper!!! Feb 07 17:50:24 mru, I'd call it Fatal. Feb 07 17:50:38 _av500_: I still prefer the burger at my local pub Feb 07 17:50:57 also, bk doesn't serve beer Feb 07 17:51:03 and they don't have barmaids Feb 07 17:52:03 <_av500_> lol at exact math: http://blog.makezine.com/2013/02/06/workshop-wednesday-heat-bending-acrylic-enclosures/ Feb 07 17:54:03 mru, you touched the fatal flaw Feb 07 17:56:17 * Russ envisions a new 'prevent scurvy' campaign for mcd Feb 07 17:58:48 arrrrr Feb 07 17:59:13 mdp: forced McD eating? was that in the township bylaws? Feb 07 17:59:34 hehe Feb 07 17:59:41 could anyone tell what is the alternative link for http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/sprufd5a/sprufd5a.pdf ? Feb 07 17:59:41 we live free in the township Feb 07 17:59:45 <_av500_> mranostay: HOA said so Feb 07 17:59:56 jsabeaudry, turns out I can't find the patch, but was easy enough to recreate Feb 07 17:59:57 http://pastebin.com/Vz8Rwr7v Feb 07 18:00:20 <_av500_> panto: ever tried git? that can kinda store patches Feb 07 18:00:22 jsabeaudry, put an 'index=;' in the dts and it should work Feb 07 18:00:25 angs: what is it? Feb 07 18:00:38 _av500_, yes, I've heard of it Feb 07 18:00:48 I have no magic decoder ring for the crazy TI filenames Feb 07 18:01:09 I'm pretty sure by now that spru means trm Feb 07 18:01:25 that does narrow it down Feb 07 18:01:36 Russ, maybe we can guess it's a TRM for an SoC on a beagle? Feb 07 18:01:46 mdp: I'm told McD's doesn't suck as bad it used too Feb 07 18:02:02 I'm pretty sure the last letter is a revision Feb 07 18:02:04 mdp: I guess it is reference guide for the processor. for GPIO mapping, it is referred to that document on some pages on the net. e.g., http://41j.com/blog/2011/09/beagleboard-gpio-input-driverless/ however, it is a dead link. Feb 07 18:02:07 mranostay, your left coast lifestyle has dain bramaged you ;) Feb 07 18:02:13 mranostay: I bet they still don't have beer and barmaids Feb 07 18:02:18 <_av500_> 3530 TRM Feb 07 18:02:24 so 'a' is a first revision, advance the letter to the expected revision, and the link will work Feb 07 18:02:31 * mdp updates _av500_ on the bigboard Feb 07 18:02:47 <_av500_> mru: sure they have Feb 07 18:02:52 <_av500_> mcd has beer in germany Feb 07 18:02:57 mru: no i go to a bar for that Feb 07 18:02:59 <_av500_> not that I would drink it Feb 07 18:03:10 taco bell had beer on campus...back in the day Feb 07 18:03:16 but crappy .us beer Feb 07 18:03:19 mdp, no, but they *do* have sushi boats. Feb 07 18:03:19 er really? Feb 07 18:03:28 <_av500_> hmm, beer Feb 07 18:03:45 mranostay: it was part of the lifestyle at that uni ;) Feb 07 18:03:46 thank you _av500_ Feb 07 18:04:02 mdp: wasn't some guy selling a 30 pack in the parking lot right? :) Feb 07 18:04:24 Iron City Beer. Feb 07 18:04:35 mdp, and metro apps, for your uni lifestyle too? Feb 07 18:04:39 <_av500_> http://www.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?literatureNumber=spruf98x&fileType=pdf Feb 07 18:04:40 it was cheaper to drink in the bars that buy packaged beer then...strange as that sounds Feb 07 18:04:56 Russ, +1 Feb 07 18:05:08 mdp: what effing year is this? :) Feb 07 18:05:18 "back in the day" Feb 07 18:05:31 a cheap good beer at a bar our here is $4 Feb 07 18:05:40 and that is at what CA calls a dive bar Feb 07 18:05:44 I didn't say good beer Feb 07 18:05:58 yup, x is the revision Feb 07 18:05:59 the two good beer places cost real $$$ Feb 07 18:06:09 wonder if they go aa after z Feb 07 18:06:21 <_av500_> Russ: they top production at z Feb 07 18:06:24 Russ, they hope for EOL before that Feb 07 18:06:24 <_av500_> stop* Feb 07 18:06:27 jinx Feb 07 18:07:04 Russ: they do go aa, yes Feb 07 18:07:10 it has happened Feb 07 18:07:21 <_av500_> aaa+ is the best Feb 07 18:07:29 <_av500_> only the finest TRMs get that Feb 07 18:07:32 mdp: we need to introduce mru to Keystone Light :) Feb 07 18:08:05 lol Feb 07 18:08:07 something tells me that has nothing to do with the local-ish Keystone Brewery Feb 07 18:08:16 I'm glad I'm a wuss that will only drink wheat beers Feb 07 18:08:31 mru, this is guaranteed to be something much more disturbing that you could imagine Feb 07 18:08:41 I gave up Beer...too fattening... Feb 07 18:08:43 mranostay: why stop at Keystone - go straight for PBR. Feb 07 18:08:51 ewwww Feb 07 18:09:04 are we having a PBR BOF at ELC? Feb 07 18:09:04 ka6sox: nonsense, ask anyone who's met me Feb 07 18:09:19 I think we need a group PBR-swilling photo Feb 07 18:09:34 PBR is probably better than Keystone Feb 07 18:09:37 * mdp should dig up the blind taste-test where PBR was selected as the best of the crappy beers Feb 07 18:09:46 lol Feb 07 18:09:50 mdp: nice title to have Feb 07 18:09:54 emeb: ironic, eh? Feb 07 18:09:59 best of the worst. Feb 07 18:10:12 worst of the best? Feb 07 18:10:22 tbh, can't say I've ever actually had a PBR. Feb 07 18:10:29 wurst of the beast? Feb 07 18:10:48 PBR? Feb 07 18:10:55 pabst Feb 07 18:10:59 isn't that the beer to drink Feb 07 18:11:06 Pabst Blue Ribbon Feb 07 18:11:18 PBR is gross Feb 07 18:11:44 davest, you fell into the discussion of the best of the worst Feb 07 18:12:05 What makes it worse is that hipsters drink it Feb 07 18:12:28 all hipsters here Feb 07 18:12:47 only have a hipster bag that is it i swear :) Feb 07 18:13:06 no Feb 07 18:13:17 * ka6sox sends all ELC attendees to Haight and Asbury... Feb 07 18:13:31 <_av500_> free love? Feb 07 18:13:50 ka6sox: isn't there a Gap and Starbucks there now? Feb 07 18:14:03 * ka6sox checks google Feb 07 18:14:10 davest, probably Feb 07 18:14:10 ka6sox: toronados? Feb 07 18:14:25 koen: now there's an idea Feb 07 18:14:39 * koen waves to davest Feb 07 18:14:55 been there once Feb 07 18:15:05 * davest waves back Feb 07 18:15:14 * mranostay waves to davest Feb 07 18:15:19 * _av500_ tries to think of a yocto joke Feb 07 18:15:30 *g* Feb 07 18:15:43 <_av500_> maybe the pure mention will do Feb 07 18:15:51 <_av500_> what is yocto actually? Feb 07 18:15:59 the octupus are not what they seem Feb 07 18:16:03 There are 7000 atoms in the average yocto-human Feb 07 18:16:28 <_av500_> thats an impressive build cluster Feb 07 18:16:38 how many transistors in a yocto-atom? Feb 07 18:17:01 _av500_: you mean heating device, no? Feb 07 18:17:33 <_av500_> mru: well, we need to compile yocto-atom natively Feb 07 18:17:52 We went over 1B transisters per chip a decade ago, but I don't remember what Atom is. Feb 07 18:18:02 we are scaring davest off :) Feb 07 18:18:03 Itanium had 1B trans per chip. :-) Feb 07 18:18:17 davest: you aren't helping :) Feb 07 18:18:28 mranostay, yes, he is. Feb 07 18:18:37 davest: and look what good they did it :) Feb 07 18:18:42 well himself i mean Feb 07 18:18:48 great for the trolls :) Feb 07 18:19:14 I can always count on #beagle to cut my ego down Feb 07 18:19:27 it would be interesting to see some performance per transistor figures for various cpus Feb 07 18:20:19 mru: more dependent on process technology (generation) and workload of course. Feb 07 18:20:20 mru, using what units for measurement? Feb 07 18:20:30 s/for/of/ Feb 07 18:20:41 Some versions of itanic had a complete x86 instruction set in there Feb 07 18:20:44 bah...3.8-rc6 still. Feb 07 18:20:57 * davest -> AFK Feb 07 18:21:31 * mdp throws another empty PBR can in the back of his truck. Feb 07 18:23:01 starting early? Feb 07 18:42:01 serious Beagle question: where do I find out what the Beagleboard Linux SDK v5.03 is/was? Feb 07 18:44:31 * _av500_ hears SDK and runs Feb 07 18:44:52 * ka6sox grabs hooks and pulls av500 back. Feb 07 18:45:25 * mranostay tasers _av500_ Feb 07 18:45:32 <_av500_> ka6sox: its a TI product, so please contact your TI rep Feb 07 18:45:47 <_av500_> http://osdir.com/ml/beagleboard/2011-12/msg00678.html Feb 07 18:45:51 * mranostay hands ka6sox a bottle of unmarked liquor Feb 07 18:46:46 your googlefoo is better than mine _av500_ Feb 07 18:46:51 <_av500_> yes Feb 07 18:47:12 <_av500_> at least something I am good at.... Feb 07 18:48:37 you are good at reposting art Feb 07 18:50:13 full of damn stars Feb 07 18:50:15 * ka6sox throws that in the box with the A3 and ships it off. Feb 07 18:50:36 Dave Bowman Feb 07 19:25:06 <_av500_> mdp: http://skilldrick.github.com/easy6502/ Feb 07 19:25:51 * ka6sox learned assembly on a 6502....loved it since. Feb 07 19:29:58 nice Feb 07 19:30:09 classic game example Feb 07 19:32:40 <_av500_> using a 6502 taught me that I want to program in C Feb 07 19:34:07 Getting very slow Ethernet speeds on beaglebone with embedded Ubuntu. Other machines on the network get legit speeds Feb 07 19:35:31 <_av500_> what does dmesg say? Feb 07 19:35:42 <_av500_> and top? Feb 07 19:35:51 <_av500_> also, define slow Feb 07 19:36:07 and legit Feb 07 19:39:25 it starts at 10kB, slows down to about 3kB Feb 07 19:39:28 no CPU usage really Feb 07 19:39:32 other machines get MB/s Feb 07 19:39:41 ka6sox: leaarned assembly on a vax Feb 07 19:40:01 trying to figure out if maybe it's confused as to the link layer speed or something Feb 07 19:40:02 old troll is old Feb 07 19:40:28 djlewis, which model? Feb 07 19:42:17 ka6sox: iirc, 11-780 Feb 07 19:42:50 a stupid washing machine shaped system. dull to look upon. Feb 07 19:43:40 ya we had one of those...had a GPU (size of a refrigerator) Feb 07 19:43:43 ka6sox: i found that x86 ass'y was very similar to use. Feb 07 19:44:08 I hated the segment register...got confused...till I got to 6809E Feb 07 19:44:35 I had a chance to get one for pennies but couldnt justify the cost of electricity to run it. Feb 07 19:44:40 no kidding Feb 07 19:45:29 the 11/780(GPU)/Cray Y-MP/IBM3090 is now replaced by my i3770k Feb 07 19:45:57 we have a state redistribution all discharged equipment goes to. public can buy there. Feb 07 19:46:38 there is an old pdp-11, iirc, that was cool with lots of lights and switches. Feb 07 19:46:49 wouldnt mind having one of them. Feb 07 19:47:08 If I could get the PDP/8E I started on I'd buy it....just for nostalgia Feb 07 19:48:48 ka6sox: yes, it is cool looking too. Feb 07 19:49:38 I just laugh at the amount of hardware we needed to run those simulations in 1987 vs what I can do with my desktop today. Feb 07 19:51:35 ka6sox: want to know what i was doing in 1987? :) Feb 07 19:53:11 the driver for the beagle is the TI CPSW driver, thinking of maybe having to change versions, forward or backwards Feb 07 19:53:23 djlewis, the 'Bone is probably faster than all that! Feb 07 19:53:26 mean_admin, my bone gets about 4200kB/s from kernel.org Feb 07 19:54:50 mranostay: were you even born then? Feb 07 19:55:13 with the limitation probably being kernel.org Feb 07 19:55:52 koen, are there any capes with a DAC on it Feb 07 19:56:00 mru: barely Feb 07 19:57:35 it was probably around that time, maybe a little later, that I wiped out the root directory on my dad's work laptop (msdos) Feb 07 19:57:46 unintentionally Feb 07 19:58:17 mean_admin, if I stream from a local webserver, I get 5651kB/s Feb 07 19:58:28 so that's probably around the limit for tcp traffic Feb 07 19:59:12 Russ: I get 3kB which leads me to believe it's a driver issue Feb 07 19:59:32 Russ: or a configuration issue but I don't see config issues slowing connection down to 3kB Feb 07 19:59:40 also, there are no dropped packets or errors on the lin Feb 07 19:59:42 line* Feb 07 20:00:02 mru: sure it was :) Feb 07 20:00:29 of course it was unintentional Feb 07 20:00:44 it meant I couldn't play with it until he took it back and had it restored Feb 07 20:52:52 Crofton|work: not sure Feb 07 20:58:29 a frined wants a cape with some AD, DA and some thermocouples :) Feb 07 20:58:56 Crofton|work: what speed of AD and DA? Feb 07 20:59:02 not sure Feb 07 20:59:09 getting him to email me Feb 07 20:59:19 is the onboard AD not good enough? Feb 07 20:59:43 not sure Feb 07 20:59:49 he is a mechanical engineer Feb 07 21:00:06 oh Feb 07 21:04:49 for a thermocouple, you'll need a cape for the silicon temp sensor Feb 07 21:05:23 or you can toss in an op-amp Feb 07 21:05:25 and use the AD Feb 07 21:05:34 the thermocouple chip datasheet makes me believe that it's unpossible to measure accurately Feb 07 21:05:43 even with cold junction compensation Feb 07 21:05:46 ds2, you need to know the temp of the cold junction Feb 07 21:07:32 g'night people of the beagle Feb 07 21:08:30 has anyone seen multichannel thermocouple ampllifiers? Feb 07 21:08:43 I can only find single channel ones, and those are all SPI Feb 07 21:08:56 which costs me a CS for each probe Feb 07 21:09:24 or a gpio for each probe Feb 07 21:09:33 time for an spi to gpio chip? Feb 07 21:09:49 spi to gpio to spi to gpio to spi Feb 07 21:09:56 why not just use an analog mux Feb 07 21:09:59 an unexpected journey Feb 07 21:10:23 do you really need to measure all of them constantly? Feb 07 21:13:28 Russ: yes. isn't there a temp sensor on the 335x? Feb 07 21:13:53 koen: what about using a MSP430? Feb 07 21:15:04 ds2, temp on the am335x would probably differ from temp at the cold junction Feb 07 21:15:28 Russ: yes, but you don't think the difference is mostly fixed? Feb 07 21:16:53 I guess it depends on how accurate you want it to be Feb 07 21:18:01 I'm doing a program in c++ using mmap to set or read gpio. Is there a way to enable pull-up resistors directly in memory? Feb 07 21:18:03 read the datasheets of a thermocouple amplifier Feb 07 21:18:30 I can't see anything in the AM335x arm doc Feb 07 21:18:30 it has notes on how far away it can be from the connection Feb 07 21:18:34 koen: I think there was an appnote on MSP430's as a TC input Feb 07 21:18:39 and what kind of connection is allowed Feb 07 21:19:09 it can be traded off for accuracy Feb 07 21:19:30 if the trade off is less then 1LSB of the ADC... Feb 07 21:53:15 @#$@#@#$@#$ bone SRM requires one to run SQL in their heads to sort out pin muxes :( Feb 07 21:54:34 So write something better. Feb 07 21:55:43 paste it into the console of your favourite db Feb 07 21:56:08 I am Feb 07 21:56:22 problem is the names they are choosing is arbritrary Feb 07 21:56:42 so that needs to be cross referenced with the real name which inturn needs to be cross referenced back to find the mode Feb 07 22:02:33 ds2, bradfa has a better table Feb 07 22:02:57 https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables Feb 07 22:03:10 +1 Feb 07 22:03:17 mdp: actually... can the official pinmux tool generate structures for both the kernel and ub2 now? Feb 07 22:03:20 print it on 11x17" paper Feb 07 22:03:26 ds2, no idea Feb 07 22:03:30 bradfa: blah Feb 07 22:03:44 i am 2/3 done working it out Feb 07 22:04:58 bradfa, I sent it out to become a despair.com poster, "Insanity: because the design team *does* hate you" Feb 07 22:18:24 mdp: you a famous linkedin person as well? Feb 07 22:18:38 I doubt it Feb 07 22:30:49 I am outputting 1s and 0s by fp= fopen("/sys/class/gpio/gpio139/value", "w");fprintf(fp, "%d", output[i]);fclose(fp); usleep(416); however the time between two value is 890 microseconds when I measure by an oscilloscope. am I having delay because of fopen fprintf? Feb 07 22:35:02 or I should not have such delay for that speed to use GPIO from the userland? Feb 07 22:38:41 are you at least making that processes scheduling RT? Feb 07 22:39:32 also, I don't think you need to close and reopen, just rewind Feb 07 22:42:46 Russ: thank you, I will use rewind and amend the program. I don't do any process scheduling. Feb 07 22:44:05 then you really can't expect any such accuracy Feb 07 22:44:17 if you are doing anything that cares about time, do not do it in userspace Feb 07 22:44:20 also, at least on some platforms, usleep could be a whole tick Feb 07 22:44:38 also, if you are just doing pwm, use the pwm Feb 07 22:44:52 do we have drivers for PWM yet? Feb 07 22:44:55 I am using beagleboard Feb 07 22:45:18 even if there isn't a driver, there is always pwm-gpio Feb 07 22:45:34 heh Feb 07 22:46:03 doubt if that will work well at like 1MHz base Feb 07 22:46:19 It looks like he's looking for 5kHz Feb 07 22:46:29 or so Feb 07 22:46:35 oh Feb 07 22:46:44 yeah Feb 07 22:46:46 could you suggest me any document for me to learn process scheduling? Feb 07 22:47:33 try the source Feb 07 22:47:57 also posix realtime extensions Feb 07 22:48:26 man sched_setscheduler Feb 07 22:48:33 ahem google Feb 07 22:49:05 thank you Feb 07 22:49:47 if you really need an accurate pwm on am/dm37x, I would look into using a gp timer as a pwm source Feb 07 22:51:25 thank you Russ Feb 07 22:51:44 what is this PWM driving? Feb 07 22:51:47 LEDs? Feb 07 22:53:21 there goes ds2 again, always trying to get to the root of the problem Feb 07 22:56:03 I have one more question, I get the GPIO signal at 3.3V, I need to amplify GPIO signal to 16V. is there any off shelf product that I could use? Feb 07 22:56:27 see "TRANSISTOR" Feb 07 22:56:33 also see "TRIODE" Feb 07 22:57:22 and possibly boost converter Feb 07 22:57:29 don't forget the pentodes Feb 07 22:57:40 and has anyone seen a yoctode? Feb 07 22:57:41 now we are getting silly Feb 07 22:57:50 only now? Feb 07 22:57:57 touche Feb 07 22:58:23 I think it's best to use loosely packed iron filings Feb 07 22:59:14 I prefer iron _oxide_ mixed up _aluminium_ filings Feb 07 22:59:28 mru: on a different note - do you know what exactly does gdb mean when it says a function parameter is ? i.e. is contents not even available in r0 or... (this is on ARM) Feb 07 22:59:58 ds2: it means the value you are looking for is not available at that point in the program Feb 07 23:00:30 mru: this is in a backtrace for an intermediate stack frame. how cna that be possible? Feb 07 23:01:05 or does it mean that it ran out of scope early? Feb 07 23:01:12 argument registers are volatile Feb 07 23:01:31 are we talking about thermite? Feb 07 23:01:46 got it. Feb 07 23:02:15 if the called function reused the argument register, there's no way you can know what value was passed in Feb 07 23:02:28 this is why I don't use debuggers much Feb 07 23:02:43 mru: *bang* Feb 07 23:03:13 mranostay: from thermite, not really Feb 07 23:03:41 thermite + ice Feb 07 23:03:43 thanks. Feb 07 23:03:54 mranostay: interesting idea Feb 07 23:29:38 Is there pull-up resistors for the gpio on the beagle bone? Feb 07 23:29:54 jet: yeah Feb 07 23:30:25 is there a way to control them directly the memory map? Feb 07 23:31:10 yeah but that is horrible way to do it Feb 07 23:32:11 I understand how to do to enable output or not, to read, to write Feb 07 23:32:32 but I can't find in the doc how to control the pull-up resistors Feb 07 23:32:45 use the mux settings Feb 07 23:34:38 what do you mean by mux settings? Feb 07 23:35:24 you mean /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux ? Feb 07 23:36:03 yeah Feb 07 23:37:06 you can control the pinmux for that gpio... example echo 0x16 > xyz_pin would put it to setting 6 with a pull up Feb 07 23:49:34 thanks Feb 07 23:49:47 I can't find the value of the pull-up and pulldown resistors Feb 07 23:52:47 did you try the trm? Feb 07 23:55:00 yes, but I might have missed it Feb 08 00:00:57 10k iirc Feb 08 00:01:27 it is one scenic journey tracing the Bone setup code in the kernel Feb 08 00:01:50 ah, that kind of value, it would probably be in the datasheet Feb 08 00:01:52 ds2, DT? Feb 08 00:01:57 not sure if I can find a mountain road more windy then this Feb 08 00:02:02 Russ: no, pre DT Feb 08 00:02:09 Russ: doing stuff on Rowboat Feb 08 00:02:11 then I just found one for you Feb 08 00:02:40 to give you an idea, mux33xx.c does not exist Feb 08 00:02:53 board-am335xevm.c does not exist Feb 08 00:02:53 I am ripping out code left and right Feb 08 00:02:55 screw the evm Feb 08 00:03:16 then I'll insert code in arch/arm/kernel ;) Feb 08 00:05:11 you...you...your a monster! Feb 08 00:05:15 er, sorry Feb 08 00:05:21 you...you...you're a monster! Feb 08 00:05:24 much better Feb 08 00:05:52 Ob complaint...wtf can't people use the standard formating Feb 08 00:08:24 checkpatch.pl Feb 08 00:09:04 the lcd code in the board file h as a different formating Feb 08 00:09:17 it is hte most brain damaged I have seen Feb 08 00:09:23 autogenerated? Feb 08 00:09:27 spaces after initial ( only. Feb 08 00:09:36 end } is always on a line by itself Feb 08 00:09:54 not auto...it is as if someone had a lobotomy before writing it Feb 08 00:11:16 noooo the LCD driver code has DT infection :((((( Feb 08 00:11:20 it's unusual that people using such ghastly formatting show any form of consistency in their ghastliness Feb 08 00:12:01 doing a lot of copy paste from datasheets? Feb 08 00:35:58 Russ: I added sp.sched_priority = 99;sched_setscheduler(0, SCHED_FIFO, &sp) to the code and am using rewind() to write the value on GPIO. The time between two values drops to 780 microseconds from 900s, however I am still far to obtain usleep(416). Feb 08 00:36:12 how fast can I output a value on GPIO from the userland? Feb 08 00:36:44 did you read the usleep manpage? Feb 08 00:37:39 yes, it pauses in microseconds Feb 08 00:37:49 and? Feb 08 00:39:06 'The sleep may be lengthened slightly by any system activity or by the time spent processing the call or by the granularity of system timers.' Feb 08 00:39:31 you probably want to use clock_nanosleep so you can specify which timer to use Feb 08 00:39:49 and you probably want to look up the granularity of that timer Feb 08 00:40:09 and of course note 'The usleep() function suspends execution of the calling thread for (at least) usec microseconds.' Feb 08 00:40:38 thanks a lot Russ Feb 08 00:40:56 clock_nanosleep also lets you specify an absolute rather than relative value, which should be really handy for you Feb 08 00:41:46 I did not know that function before. I got very useful information from you in couple hours:) thanks a lot Feb 08 00:42:35 be sure to read 'man 7 time' Feb 08 00:42:54 specifically, 'High-Resolution Timers' Feb 08 00:43:10 thank you, I will do it now Feb 08 00:44:28 wtf... there are 2 different pinmux's in the kernel!? Feb 08 00:44:46 a lot more than 2 Feb 08 00:44:53 I mean for the am33x Feb 08 00:45:00 which kernel? Feb 08 00:45:05 rowboat Feb 08 00:45:16 I've never touched the stuff Feb 08 00:45:20 3.2.0 Feb 08 00:45:31 what two do you see in rowboat? Feb 08 00:45:36 the is one via am33xx_mux_init() Feb 08 00:46:04 (mux33xx.c) Feb 08 00:46:34 and another one with calls to setup_pin_mux() Feb 08 00:51:57 they do different things Feb 08 00:53:12 am33xx_mux_init calls into omap_mux_init and sets up the actual list of pins that can be muxed and their possible states Feb 08 00:53:17 hi emeb the FPGAer Feb 08 00:53:27 mranostay: hey. Feb 08 00:53:34 back after blowing a breaker... Feb 08 00:53:35 setup_pin_mux calls into omap_mux_init_signal and sets up individual mux values for a given list of pins Feb 08 00:56:58 that don't make sense Feb 08 00:57:08 why not? Feb 08 00:57:13 am33xx_mux_init() gets called with board mux with 2 entries Feb 08 00:57:18 they are 2 I2C pins Feb 08 00:57:23 am33xx_mux_init sets up what mux mappings are possible Feb 08 00:57:33 ? Feb 08 00:57:37 pastebin your mux33xx Feb 08 00:57:45 one sec Feb 08 00:58:07 actually, I should be able to do better.... let get the GIT urls Feb 08 00:58:22 the mux33xx.c I'm looking at has 126 entries Feb 08 00:59:07 oh, you mean the board_subset argument Feb 08 01:01:06 looking on gitorious Feb 08 01:01:18 I see what you mean Feb 08 01:01:30 oh you found it? Feb 08 01:03:45 I think the stuff passed to am33xx_mux_init is for low level board stuff, like the i2c pins that talk to the pmic Feb 08 01:04:01 gitrious is so annoying.... trying to find a way to dump the tree at a commit Feb 08 01:04:18 they all seem to setup mux's Feb 08 01:04:29 if it is a PMIC thing, u-boot should have done it already Feb 08 01:04:45 u-boot screws with the PMIC Feb 08 01:05:05 *shrug* Feb 08 01:05:13 just keep deleting code till it stops booting Feb 08 01:05:14 yes Feb 08 01:05:29 rather, I'll just keep adding code til the scope confirms it Feb 08 01:07:45 this is the tree - http://gitorious.org/rowboat/kernel/trees/b02ab399f48691c5a50bcba6127563a197eb8d54 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 08 02:59:59 2013