**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 17 02:59:57 2013 Feb 17 03:47:33 mru: I'm afraid you'll have to get something with VGA. Just spoke to the AV guys at the hotel. I might have misunderstood them first time Feb 17 03:47:43 either that or get it on a thumb drive Feb 17 03:48:01 here's their reply: http://hastebin.com/raw/nawunayoco Feb 17 03:48:12 koen- ^^^ Feb 17 03:48:34 good luck. :-) Feb 17 05:27:45 https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/823405_10151444339792661_1770786049_o.jpg <-- electroplate cape mk 2 Feb 17 05:47:32 pretty Feb 17 06:43:00 i'm back Feb 17 06:51:29 ohnoez Feb 17 06:53:09 dm8tbr: you suck for skipping on ELC Feb 17 06:53:24 i have troll alan_o twice as hard Feb 17 06:59:46 mranostay: tell that to my non-existing travel-budget :/ Feb 17 07:01:31 guess it is a little easier for me even if i have to pay my way :/ Feb 17 07:03:10 I'd expect by about 33dB Feb 17 07:03:31 dm8tbr: er 33db? Feb 17 07:03:56 i had to go to ELCE on my own dime Feb 17 07:04:11 i tacked some vacation onto it of course Feb 17 07:05:02 my budget disappeared on short notice. By then flight tickets had gone from about 1kUSD to 3k Feb 17 07:05:18 ouch Feb 17 07:05:29 dm8tbr: Sweden? Feb 17 07:05:38 finland Feb 17 07:05:46 same thing Feb 17 07:05:48 * mranostay ducks Feb 17 07:06:02 mranostay: you live in canada, right? Feb 17 07:09:58 hahaha Feb 17 07:10:11 USA Feb 17 07:13:54 dm8tbr: bay area Feb 17 07:15:47 St. George's Bay? Feb 17 07:17:21 SF Bay.. :) Feb 17 07:21:09 dm8tbr: do i seem canadian? :P Feb 17 07:21:38 mranostay: yeah, with your french sounding name and all that Feb 17 07:22:09 hehe not French :) Feb 17 07:22:18 Slovak Feb 17 07:25:44 and more German even Feb 17 07:32:12 <_av500_> ohai Feb 17 07:33:32 _av500_: hey german dude Feb 17 07:35:15 * mranostay looks at CA LLC registration costs Feb 17 07:36:39 registering a canadian company? ha! I knew it! Feb 17 07:37:00 the state.... Feb 17 07:37:08 of mind? Feb 17 07:37:27 i'm not canadian and i have the firearms to prove it :P Feb 17 07:37:55 unless they happen to be ICBMs - I'm out of range... Feb 17 07:38:05 * _av500_ walks up to mranostay and stabs him quietly in the back Feb 17 07:38:28 * mranostay punchs in the combo to his handgun safe and shoots _av500_ Feb 17 07:38:48 <_av500_> you are dead already Feb 17 07:39:13 it's dead jim! Feb 17 07:39:28 <_av500_> also, I put superglue in the lock Feb 17 07:39:43 doesn't work that way Feb 17 07:40:09 http://www.target.com/p/gunvault-multivault-standard-gun-safe/-/A-11654936?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=Google_PLA_df&LNM=%7C11654936&CPNG=Home+Office&kpid=11654936&LID=PA&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=11654936 Feb 17 07:40:17 too lazy for tinyurl Feb 17 07:40:54 <_av500_> you these buttons cant be glued? Feb 17 07:40:59 isn't that the one that opens when you drop it? Feb 17 07:41:00 <_av500_> you mean* Feb 17 07:41:12 <_av500_> dm8tbr: on your oponents foot? Feb 17 07:41:20 <_av500_> +spellink Feb 17 07:41:24 dm8tbr: the door drops on the right combo Feb 17 07:41:33 <_av500_> ah, on your own foot Feb 17 07:41:44 spring loaded Feb 17 07:42:02 <_av500_> does it eject the gun into your open hand? Feb 17 07:42:17 _av500_: have another handgun i can access with a real key so try that :P Feb 17 07:43:03 <_av500_> mranostay: also, I checked you out online and found out your are posting pics from a conf when I brake into your house.... Feb 17 07:43:12 <_av500_> break* Feb 17 07:43:35 you know the city i live in that is about it :P Feb 17 07:43:59 <_av500_> I hope you never made a compaign donation Feb 17 07:44:27 heh under $200 limit and not in this state even Feb 17 07:44:36 <_av500_> penny pincher! Feb 17 07:44:55 voter records would be your best bet Feb 17 07:45:13 <_av500_> mranostay: in fact I was surprised how easy it was to find people in the US Feb 17 07:45:28 _av500_: just believed in anyone over $50 :P Feb 17 07:45:39 *never Feb 17 07:45:46 <_av500_> no wonder the good guy lost Feb 17 07:46:16 all the guys have something that pissed me off :) Feb 17 07:46:34 <_av500_> there is always canada... Feb 17 07:47:04 i'm not either party (we have only two....) Feb 17 07:47:55 and neither want to tax the rich really Feb 17 07:48:24 personally progressive tax should go to 100% at some point :) Feb 17 10:08:30 nope Feb 17 10:08:41 tax should be ~20% for everyone Feb 17 10:08:50 regardless of the income Feb 17 10:08:57 that's the only fair way to do it Feb 17 10:09:23 and even then i'm not sure if it shouldn't be the exactly same amount for everyone Feb 17 12:40:48 morning, trolls Feb 17 12:40:58 moaning Feb 17 12:51:29 gm all Feb 17 14:07:49 <_av500_> +1 Feb 17 14:21:46 good morning all Feb 17 14:26:47 still in Texico or already bay-area? Feb 17 14:39:11 do pass the message along that for ELC- you've to get something that speaks VGA, or store it on a thumb drive and have organizers display it Feb 17 14:39:39 bbl Feb 17 14:41:51 so old skewl :) Feb 17 14:44:35 * joel_ agrees Feb 17 14:48:10 someone should just bring this and a couple of adapters: http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-Adapter/dp/tech-data/B007SM7O2U/ref=de_a_smtd Feb 17 14:49:41 joel_: thanks for the info Feb 17 14:49:57 guess I should try out the vga output just to be sure Feb 17 14:59:38 dm8tbr: "almost 100% compatibility" Feb 17 14:59:46 :) Feb 17 15:00:17 e.g. I wonder if all laptops really supply 5V 500mA Feb 17 15:00:30 on hdmi? that's not required by spec Feb 17 15:00:56 so I'd hope that it comes with a barell connector for a 5V PSU :) Feb 17 15:01:11 * dm8tbr has a pile of those in all sizes... Feb 17 15:01:26 the last of these adapters that I looked at had such a connector Feb 17 15:03:41 in fact, supplying more than 500mA is disallowed Feb 17 15:04:01 "An HDMI Source shall have +5V Power signal over-current protection of no more than 0.5A." Feb 17 15:04:16 sure, because the wires will very often be rated only for 500mA Feb 17 15:04:18 "All HDMI Sources shall be able to supply a minimum of 55 mA to the +5V Power pin." Feb 17 15:04:35 "A Sink shall not draw more than 50 mA of current from the +5V Power pin." Feb 17 15:04:48 that's not much Feb 17 15:05:03 it's only there to power ddc Feb 17 15:05:13 didn't they recently upgrade that for the MHP sticks? Feb 17 15:05:16 so a source can query an attached display that's powered off Feb 17 15:05:29 I'm quoting hdmi 1.3a Feb 17 15:05:37 1.4 is not freely available Feb 17 15:05:41 oh... Feb 17 15:07:08 1.4 mainly adds new signals Feb 17 15:07:20 ethernet, reverse audio, etc Feb 17 15:07:31 also 3d and 4k support Feb 17 15:07:44 which is really nothing more than increasing the pixel clock Feb 17 15:08:52 thunerbolt Feb 17 15:08:58 is not hdmi Feb 17 15:09:05 *g* Feb 17 15:09:28 thunderbolt is more like pcie Feb 17 15:10:16 the hdmi 1.4 faq says devices are backwards compatible with 1.3 Feb 17 15:10:34 that sort of implies they can't draw more power Feb 17 15:11:15 displayport FTW Feb 17 15:11:32 I don't see dp going anywhere Feb 17 15:11:37 i thought 1.3 had reverse audio Feb 17 15:11:45 mru: why Feb 17 15:11:51 DP has HDMI compatibility mode Feb 17 15:11:57 not really Feb 17 15:12:01 and other than that it's a lot more flexible than HDMI Feb 17 15:12:14 the dp spec allows the connector to carry hdmi signals Feb 17 15:12:20 but it's optional Feb 17 15:12:30 yes, the protocol has advantages over hdmi Feb 17 15:12:43 but not enough to replace it Feb 17 15:12:52 hdmi is already everywhere Feb 17 15:12:58 it will take some time Feb 17 15:13:05 to die out, yes Feb 17 15:13:15 my new laptop has no HDMI Feb 17 15:13:18 but there is dp IN IT Feb 17 15:13:22 DP in it Feb 17 15:13:22 it'll be on the fringes for a long time Feb 17 15:13:39 my laptop from last year has hdmi but no dp Feb 17 15:13:41 Dell replaced DP with HDMI recently Feb 17 15:13:46 dell sucks Feb 17 15:13:56 that's beside the point Feb 17 15:14:07 apple isn't doing dp Feb 17 15:14:16 apple sucks Feb 17 15:14:21 that's beside the point Feb 17 15:14:23 and they never do anything standard Feb 17 15:14:31 they do hdmi Feb 17 15:15:09 it's not a question of technical merit Feb 17 15:15:22 dp is clearly a nicer spec in various ways Feb 17 15:15:34 but hdmi is ubiquitous and works well enough Feb 17 15:15:38 there's no need to replace it Feb 17 15:16:08 i really hope that one day 10GBit ethernet will replace HDMI and other shitty protocols Feb 17 15:16:25 that's ridiculous Feb 17 15:16:33 hdmi is not a bad protocol Feb 17 15:21:31 * koen- looks at his laptop Feb 17 15:21:37 2x dp, 1x hdmi Feb 17 15:23:34 what monster of a laptop is that? Feb 17 15:24:13 13" macbook pro Feb 17 15:24:37 hmm, I thought apple were pushing thunderbolt Feb 17 15:24:50 yes, but dp dongles still work Feb 17 15:25:34 nevertheless, I'd be surprised to see a dp-only source or display Feb 17 15:25:45 right Feb 17 15:25:53 I don't know of any Feb 17 15:26:02 only ones that are a few years old already Feb 17 15:26:11 hell, most things still have vga Feb 17 15:27:07 personally, I'd rather have a real rs232 than vga... Feb 17 15:40:40 yes DP is not an HDMI replacement Feb 17 15:40:48 mhhh, a 1080p projector with VT100 and VT220 emulation... Feb 17 16:20:41 <_av500_> my x201 has VGA :) Feb 17 16:20:45 <_av500_> and DP on the ultrabase Feb 17 16:21:20 newer stinkpads seem to have HDMI Feb 17 16:21:55 <_av500_> and the DP on the base seems to do DVI-D too Feb 17 16:22:43 * dm8tbr has a pile of passive dp→dvi-d adapters Feb 17 16:22:55 <_av500_> hmm, not only that in korea only old people use email, they also kill themselves Feb 17 16:23:06 hmm interesting 2 of my adapters have DVI-I Feb 17 16:23:34 _av500_: sozialvertraegliches Fruehableben? Feb 17 16:23:40 <_av500_> yes Feb 17 16:23:52 <_av500_> they do not have a working pension system Feb 17 16:24:04 <_av500_> relying on the young to care for the elderly Feb 17 16:24:21 what could possibly go wrong... Feb 17 16:24:22 <_av500_> as a return for the parents giving everything to the young Feb 17 16:24:35 <_av500_> but in a modern society thta breaks down Feb 17 16:24:39 <_av500_> kids live far away Feb 17 16:24:43 <_av500_> have stressful jobs Feb 17 16:24:45 <_av500_> no time Feb 17 16:24:46 <_av500_> etc.. Feb 17 16:26:45 * dm8tbr meanwhile waits for the yoctopus on his build-box to pull in all the sources and build something for his FRI2 Feb 17 16:27:20 * dm8tbr was thinking to use them with the http://info-beamer.org stuff Feb 17 16:27:47 <_av500_> g+ resharing is broken, if somebody reshares a public post as limited, I cannot share that as public, even thouht the intermediate sharer is not even shown... Feb 17 16:27:57 why am I not able to find out the specs for micro-hdmi and audio... Feb 17 16:28:06 <_av500_> hdmi is closed specs Feb 17 16:28:07 _av500_: they seemed to have disabled that a while ago Feb 17 16:28:24 <_av500_> dm8tbr: yes, so I have to click the original post and share that Feb 17 16:28:28 <_av500_> same result in the edn Feb 17 16:28:36 yeah... bit braindead Feb 17 16:31:39 simple question: can I get 7.1 audio out of that cable? Feb 17 16:32:10 isn't it pure data? Feb 17 16:32:18 and just a smaller formfactor? Feb 17 16:32:42 <_av500_> ka6sox: yes Feb 17 16:32:58 <_av500_> hdmi supports up to 8 channel PCM Feb 17 16:33:01 <_av500_> afaik Feb 17 16:33:16 _av500_, thanks Feb 17 16:33:21 <_av500_> and yes, micro hdmi is just smaller Feb 17 16:33:30 <_av500_> same pins etc.. Feb 17 16:33:31 I dont' really care about video...just audio. Feb 17 16:33:36 perfect.. Feb 17 16:34:02 <_av500_> ka6sox: of course it depends on whether the hdmi TX is hooked up to audio Feb 17 16:34:15 hmmm Feb 17 16:34:19 still to 3.8-final Feb 17 16:34:43 koen- have we reached release yet? (finally)? Feb 17 16:34:58 s/to/no/ Feb 17 16:35:05 <_av500_> linux RTM? Feb 17 16:35:39 ah...maybe they are thinking this one will be a LTS (as much as any can be) Feb 17 16:36:13 <_av500_> if linux was finished I could start writing apps for it Feb 17 16:36:36 :) Feb 17 16:37:22 people at TI keep saying that linux will be done with 3.8 Feb 17 16:37:41 so we can all go home an retire after that Feb 17 16:38:00 <_av500_> as in "doing in" somebody? Feb 17 16:38:46 as in complete Feb 17 16:38:50 no more work to do Feb 17 16:39:05 ha! Feb 17 16:39:06 all am335x is upstream and working, no? Feb 17 16:39:19 and there are no more OMAP products Feb 17 16:39:22 so they are done :D Feb 17 16:40:23 * _av500_ has this now: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/White-N7100-MTK6577-dual-core-1-0GHz-Android-4-1-Jelly-bean-Grey-dual-sim-5/719338820.html Feb 17 16:40:52 <_av500_> wow, it has gravity response Feb 17 16:41:02 <_av500_> and yes, it does respond to gravity Feb 17 16:42:23 * dm8tbr would be impressed if it wouldn't Feb 17 16:43:36 Interesting, folks are booting multiple kernels on multiple cores (AMP) from U-boot Feb 17 16:43:59 u-boot/board/freescale/p1_p2_rdb/README Feb 17 16:44:47 another good use case for my FIT uImage presentation (where one could embed 2 kernels, their corresponding dts etc all in the same uImage) Feb 17 16:45:24 <_av500_> wasnt the goal single kernel? Feb 17 16:45:32 <_av500_> and not fat binaries? Feb 17 16:46:45 _av500_: well, that is possible too. It depends on the usecase. sometimes you've too many little components and you'd not want to place each one individually in memory. so why not have it all wrapped in a nice Tree-like image Feb 17 16:47:37 <_av500_> ? Feb 17 16:47:59 <_av500_> why should I have a kernel that is not for my device? Feb 17 16:48:00 _av500_: components can be numerous. ramdisk, dtb, crypto signatures, kernels Feb 17 16:49:23 _av500_: you can have a single kernel, but for above AMP configuration. typically- for examples like the above you'd not Feb 17 16:49:39 also- consider applications where you'd want a "debug" vs "production" kernel for performance reasons etc. Feb 17 16:50:27 <_av500_> http://www.imobiltelefone.com/billig-handys-kaufen-star-n7100 160€ Feb 17 16:50:48 <_av500_> joel_: ic Feb 17 16:51:29 _av500_: ah, it's an MTK Feb 17 16:51:38 _av500_: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/images/stories/slides/elc2013_fernandes.pdf?a Feb 17 16:51:53 <_av500_> dm8tbr: yes Feb 17 16:52:03 <_av500_> MTK is the QC of the east it seems Feb 17 16:52:23 <_av500_> dm8tbr: its 5.5" but only 960x540, so displaywise its a fail Feb 17 16:52:34 <_av500_> apart from that it looks decent Feb 17 16:52:44 others do fullhd at that size Feb 17 16:52:46 <_av500_> of course its to bog to be used with one hand Feb 17 16:52:49 <_av500_> big* Feb 17 16:52:58 <_av500_> dm8tbr: yes, not at that price :) Feb 17 16:53:07 <_av500_> It's a nice Rentnerphone Feb 17 16:53:15 :) Feb 17 16:53:26 yeah, the low dpi should actually help there Feb 17 16:53:31 <_av500_> yep Feb 17 16:53:37 <_av500_> also, dual sim Feb 17 16:53:53 <_av500_> for price savy rentners Feb 17 16:54:22 yeah, e.g. the travelling kind Feb 17 16:54:47 <_av500_> hmm, uboot is full of board files Feb 17 16:54:55 <_av500_> why not DT? Feb 17 16:54:59 would DT help therE? Feb 17 16:55:08 <_av500_> indeed Feb 17 16:55:14 <_av500_> uboot is fucked Feb 17 16:55:16 <_av500_> (tm) Feb 17 16:55:34 <_av500_> can we have Linus manage it for 1year? Feb 17 16:55:35 _av500_: no, it just needs lennart to go in and clean up and replace it... Feb 17 16:56:08 DT...All things t Feb 17 16:56:21 DT..All things to All people. Feb 17 16:56:24 * dm8tbr ponders if it's possible to do distributed builds when using OE Feb 17 16:56:44 you mean like icecream builds? Feb 17 16:57:15 * dm8tbr would have a stack of machines he could power up if it would speed up builds Feb 17 16:58:18 <_av500_> joel_: why does a uimage contain a load addr? Feb 17 16:59:02 <_av500_> isnt the kernel independent on that? Feb 17 16:59:49 dm8tbr, for cross-compiling its kind of a nightmare. Feb 17 17:00:11 ka6sox: yeah, dist-cc is straight out with that one... Feb 17 17:00:50 but bitbake is able to split out several threads and tasks etc. In case of shared storage it should be possible to run some of those on different machines? Feb 17 17:01:54 dm8tbr, originally I thought that too...but decided in the end to go the other way... Feb 17 17:02:00 ofc, one could just go and buy a massively powered machine with a crapton of RAM... Feb 17 17:02:17 building on a ramdisk seems to be the latest trend Feb 17 17:02:19 dm8tbr, thats what we do Feb 17 17:02:39 we have 5 builders that have 256GB of RAM. Feb 17 17:03:12 * dm8tbr was thinking of the hobbyist people. Feb 17 17:03:20 <_av500_> dm8tbr: they can use narcissus Feb 17 17:03:45 is there one for yocto too? :) Feb 17 17:04:12 <_av500_> maybe intel has no fast machines.... Feb 17 17:04:14 it's surprisingly easy to get your hands on 'decent' machines 2-4 cores, 8G RAM... Feb 17 17:04:59 having a couple of these is a zero-cost (excluding electricity) as opposed to quite some money for a high-end workstation Feb 17 17:06:27 surprisingly easy as in: e.g. dumpster-diving Feb 17 17:07:46 dm8tbr electricity cost for a 8-core/32GB machine I had was not worth it when I could put 24cores/256GB online for 2/3 the power used Feb 17 17:08:35 sure Feb 17 17:08:54 <_av500_> dm8tbr: get some S3 instances Feb 17 17:09:08 and in our case where we are doing regressions (continually) we need to not burn up HDs Feb 17 17:10:11 _av500_: yes it is PIC, I don't know why its required except that we do it. :). It can turned off by configuring for an XIP image type Feb 17 17:11:58 _av500_: I'm not sure if it's economic to do that. Could work in case of shared storage. build, shutdown, bring up smaller machine for maintenance and transferring out results. Feb 17 17:13:29 <_av500_> joel_: why XIP? Feb 17 17:13:45 <_av500_> joel_: the kernel entry code should be PIC anyway Feb 17 17:13:57 <_av500_> so it could be up to uboot to know where to load a kernel Feb 17 17:14:38 <_av500_> for a multi-soc kernel it cannot be in the uimage Feb 17 17:14:45 <_av500_> not all ram statrs at 0x80000000 Feb 17 17:15:36 _av500_: yes, its just another parameter. U-boot avoids any copying around with XIP (which is what I thought your original question was on how to get rid off load addr) Feb 17 17:18:08 _av500_: though, uImage itself is loaded into RAM. so if its PIC, XIP should work. I don't get your point yet Feb 17 17:18:15 pics or it didn't happen Feb 17 17:19:28 ok, I see what you're saying, k. Feb 17 17:20:43 _av500_: I haven't tried without passing a load address but I think U-boot does default to copying it wherever it wants if one doesn't pass it. Feb 17 17:37:58 joel_, koen, panto: what is the way to remove a cape .dtbo? Feb 17 17:38:16 my last hurdle to loading was to notice that it had truncated the file name. Feb 17 17:38:27 tried hammer and chisel? Feb 17 17:38:42 don't seem to have either of those handy. Feb 17 17:38:58 and you call yourself a man? Feb 17 17:41:38 it would be handy if I could pass in .dts rather than .dtbo Feb 17 18:01:48 _av500_: latest mainline doesn't put in a load address for multi-SoC builds, which of course breaks boot on all of them Feb 17 18:10:23 lo Feb 17 18:14:26 morning Feb 17 18:15:33 troll! Feb 17 18:15:47 lunch! Feb 17 18:16:07 jkridner: I just realized that freebirds is across the street Feb 17 18:16:28 after I walk out of Jimmy John's with my lunch Feb 17 18:44:52 Freebirds? Feb 17 18:45:03 fast food chain Feb 17 19:18:34 <_av500_> do they have horse meat? Feb 17 19:22:50 _av500_: this is america Feb 17 19:23:00 so what? Feb 17 19:23:51 finding a place that serves horse meat in the US would be easy :) Feb 17 19:25:17 Feb 17 19:25:40 I don't understand all that hystery anyway Feb 17 19:25:59 you wan't cheap stuff, you get it Feb 17 19:26:09 they just forgot to update the labels Feb 17 19:26:14 for germans a wrong label is a desaster Feb 17 19:26:16 updating labels is always expensive Feb 17 19:26:29 probably since we don't raise horses for slaughter here Feb 17 19:26:33 <_av500_> ynezz: I dont get the hysteria either Feb 17 19:26:43 you're not british Feb 17 19:26:45 they are expensive hobbies Feb 17 19:26:53 mru: thank god :) Feb 17 19:27:11 * mranostay ducks Feb 17 19:27:14 they don't raise them for meat Feb 17 19:27:28 mranostay: what would people in the us say if dog meat were found in food? Feb 17 19:27:37 "yummy" Feb 17 19:28:17 mru: stop going to that chinese buffet? Feb 17 19:33:11 dont forgot it was frozen readymade foot like lasagne Feb 17 19:33:30 nobody sane would buy such Feb 17 19:33:38 why not? Feb 17 19:33:56 what's wrong with that meat? Feb 17 19:33:57 because its not tasting? Feb 17 19:34:01 nothing Feb 17 19:34:03 it is Feb 17 19:34:12 it is good meat actually Feb 17 19:34:18 ynezz you misunderstood Feb 17 19:34:24 horse meat is yummy Feb 17 19:34:30 I like burger with it Feb 17 19:34:35 why buy frozen ready meals when you have a proper cooked one at the pub for the same money? Feb 17 19:34:47 mru exactly Feb 17 19:35:00 including beer Feb 17 19:35:08 I would never buy that grounded/mill meat anyway Feb 17 19:35:19 you never know what's mixed inside :) Feb 17 19:35:31 so its in meal nobody really buys Feb 17 19:35:41 so its really hysterie Feb 17 19:35:49 evidently someone does buy it Feb 17 19:35:56 they found it in hospital food too Feb 17 19:36:00 no surprise there Feb 17 19:36:04 sure Feb 17 19:36:14 we had strawberry from china Feb 17 19:36:16 oh, there's meat in hospital? Feb 17 19:36:31 no idea, never been there Feb 17 19:39:08 <_av500_> woglinde: strawberries from china are most likely fake Feb 17 19:40:06 av500 sure but they were contamined Feb 17 19:40:33 <_av500_> with traces of strawberry? Feb 17 19:40:49 yes, nobody knows where that came from Feb 17 19:41:16 the strawberries were more awfull than the horsemeat now Feb 17 19:41:29 or the broken mill stuff in the pizz Feb 17 19:41:30 a Feb 17 19:42:26 there is a simple answer to all this labeling issue. Feb 17 19:42:35 change the label to say "Protein" Feb 17 19:44:58 <_av500_> and list the level of antibiotics Feb 17 19:45:12 mru: never been to the hospital? Feb 17 19:45:48 well, I was born in one Feb 17 19:47:16 but I've never been ill or seriously injured Feb 17 19:51:07 mru: never had stitches? Feb 17 20:04:40 i thought trolls were spawned Feb 17 20:07:35 mranostay: well, you'd be the one to know Feb 17 21:14:16 _av500_: xip is also known as "noload" Feb 17 21:14:20 recently a patch was posted: Feb 17 21:14:23 http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2012-February/086848.html Feb 17 21:14:38 U-boot already implements IH_TYPE_KERNEL_NOLOAD Feb 17 21:15:17 <_av500_> joel_: I did not mean XIP Feb 17 21:16:48 <_av500_> uboot can still load the kernel to SDRAM Feb 17 21:17:30 _av500_: xip means somethign different in uboot speak Feb 17 21:17:35 <_av500_> ah Feb 17 21:18:00 "don't unpack uImage and move it to run address" Feb 17 21:18:34 on bone we hack $load_addr to be the final destination minus uImage header length Feb 17 21:19:01 and suddenly uboot says it's XIP Feb 17 21:24:58 <_av500_> http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2010-January/066742.html Feb 17 22:41:43 it's always interesting to see which of a bunch of photos get a +1 Feb 17 22:50:19 <_av500_> mru: also interesting to see which photos g+ decides to single out from an album Feb 17 22:50:27 <_av500_> sometimes months after it has been posted Feb 17 22:53:12 +1 Feb 17 22:54:32 that's just some ranking algorithm acting strangely Feb 17 22:54:59 _av500_: i always find that creepy .. are people stalking old posts? :) Feb 17 22:55:17 probably Feb 17 22:57:54 also note how shooting into the sun with a real camera gives very little lens flare Feb 17 22:58:20 compare to the fake flares they add to films these days Feb 17 22:58:59 mru: please go look into the sun Feb 17 22:59:24 I'm talking about the photo I posted a while ago Feb 17 23:00:56 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_iCFdSXzK8Y/USEwyzKNuyI/AAAAAAAADaU/LTXAII_o5Dg/s0/ Feb 17 23:01:37 and that was with the cheap optics Feb 17 23:08:49 mdp: ping Feb 17 23:09:04 whoa, where did the plague come from? Feb 17 23:09:20 mmmm lense flair Feb 17 23:09:26 s/flair/flare/ Feb 17 23:09:59 yes, cheap optics Feb 17 23:10:19 are those fairies? Feb 17 23:10:31 s/fairies/ferries/ Feb 17 23:10:45 probably cargo ships Feb 17 23:11:11 kk Feb 17 23:11:11 mru: spooky isn't it Feb 17 23:11:11 gn Feb 17 23:11:18 ya Feb 17 23:11:21 nn woglinde Feb 17 23:16:02 mranostay: what email address do you want to use on your presentation biz cards? Feb 17 23:16:29 presentation cards? Feb 17 23:16:35 * mru thought mranostay did only creeper cards Feb 17 23:17:19 mru: just doing some printed cards for the presentation with the project url and such Feb 17 23:17:29 mru: you need some as well? Feb 17 23:17:43 no Feb 17 23:22:04 ka6sox: btw, full set of pics from today if you're interested: https://plus.google.com/photos/101083367758063442977/albums/5846006845091374977 Feb 17 23:53:47 prpplague: mranostay at gmail dot com Feb 17 23:54:42 mru: so what is a good entry level camera? Feb 17 23:55:07 what do you require of it? Feb 17 23:55:20 pictures that don't suck Feb 17 23:55:44 for that you need more than just a camera Feb 17 23:56:47 prpplague: beers in oakland? are you guys insane? :) Feb 17 23:56:58 as in some combination of skill and luck Feb 17 23:57:10 oakland was alison's idea Feb 17 23:57:24 heh Feb 17 23:57:33 hmm i'll pass on getting shot Feb 17 23:57:54 you could cast a vote for some other place Feb 17 23:57:56 blocks from the tenderloin is enough risk for the week Feb 17 23:58:29 ever been to Tornado? Feb 17 23:58:39 yes Feb 17 23:59:04 good beer Feb 18 00:07:11 Crofton: BEER! Feb 18 00:07:25 um beer Feb 18 00:08:07 stupid cross compiler will not execute Feb 18 00:08:30 trying to run it on the target? Feb 18 00:08:42 have you tried native copulation? Feb 18 00:09:17 hmm, probably me not giving right path to cmake Feb 18 00:09:32 mru, are you still in England? Feb 18 00:09:37 yes Feb 18 00:09:45 when do arrive here Feb 18 00:09:50 tuesday 2pm Feb 18 00:10:01 Crofton: i already notified TSA Feb 18 00:10:19 mru has a black passport Feb 18 00:10:34 which one? Feb 18 00:10:51 black passport? Feb 18 00:11:05 I used to have a black passport Feb 18 00:11:23 Crofton: dipolomatic passport? :) Feb 18 00:11:47 us passport is black, especially compared with say canadian Feb 18 00:11:54 US is blue Feb 18 00:12:05 mine is a dark blue Feb 18 00:12:09 sweden used to have a black passport Feb 18 00:12:12 yeah, I know Feb 18 00:12:14 until ~1990 or so Feb 18 00:12:15 so did Britain Feb 18 00:12:18 then they changed to blue Feb 18 00:12:46 then they changed to red Feb 18 00:12:56 heh Feb 18 00:13:04 isn't Germany red as well? Feb 18 00:13:14 all eu passports are red Feb 18 00:13:21 ah Feb 18 00:13:35 they used to be various colours Feb 18 00:14:00 until '95 or so Feb 18 00:15:22 I wonder if I'd pass the british citizenship test Feb 18 00:15:28 then I could have 3 passports Feb 18 00:15:41 i am a citizen of the earth Feb 18 00:15:44 i can go anywhere Feb 18 00:16:12 yeah i'm sure that will fly Feb 18 00:16:18 mranostay: yep got the email address from your slides Feb 18 00:16:25 mrpackethead: don't you need a visa for mars? Feb 18 00:16:30 mru: what would be the point? Feb 18 00:16:30 mranostay: hey, we are going by aliason was telling us Feb 18 00:16:34 mranostay: we don't know the area Feb 18 00:16:45 mru: who will be there to check? Feb 18 00:16:52 mranostay: one can never have too many passports Feb 18 00:17:34 im very fortunate, a NZ passport is almost free entry to anywhere i want to go Feb 18 00:17:48 one of the 'freeest' ones in teh world to have i'm told Feb 18 00:17:57 also, dual citizenship is pretty much mainstream these days Feb 18 00:18:22 swedish works reasonably well too Feb 18 00:18:24 mrpackethead: you probably can go to a few places i can't Feb 18 00:18:24 i dont' need a visa to go to the US, Australia, the EU, Switzerland, 3/4 of Africa, China, Japan, most of the Pacific Feb 18 00:18:47 the placs that force me to get a visa, i'm not really interested in visiting anyway Feb 18 00:18:48 :-) Feb 18 00:18:52 North Korea Feb 18 00:19:01 russia? Feb 18 00:19:13 Cuba Feb 18 00:19:35 mru: well 3/4 of Africa doesn't interest me :) Feb 18 00:19:43 im seriously thinking of buying a house in Florida Feb 18 00:19:48 houses in teh USA are soooo cheap Feb 18 00:19:48 actually 100% of Africa doesn't :) Feb 18 00:20:01 specifically Orlando Feb 18 00:20:08 where is the alan_o when you need him? Feb 18 00:20:09 yeah, until someone huffs and puffs and blows it down Feb 18 00:20:17 orlando sucks Feb 18 00:20:31 high crime area too Feb 18 00:20:44 they have disneyworld there Feb 18 00:20:44 mru: why? i visit there 3-4 times a year, and its always been a most plesant place to go Feb 18 00:20:48 that's a crime gainst humanity Feb 18 00:21:01 mru: why? Feb 18 00:21:13 I found orlando completely and utterly uninteresting Feb 18 00:21:18 provides employment for 75,000 people Feb 18 00:21:21 direclty Feb 18 00:21:28 and who knows how many indirectly Feb 18 00:25:00 mranostay: what do you think 50 or 100 cards? Feb 18 00:25:13 50 should more than enough Feb 18 00:25:21 ok dandy Feb 18 00:25:28 all done for yours then Feb 18 00:25:45 panto was suppose to send me an email with info for his cards Feb 18 00:26:14 yeah panto is panto :) Feb 18 00:27:08 need to print some for joel_ and Jayneil , who elsE? Feb 18 00:29:36 er Ubuntu for phone? Feb 18 00:29:38 why? Feb 18 00:29:54 mdp: do you need cards for your bof? Feb 18 00:30:03 mranostay: that is a very good question Feb 18 00:30:05 Russ: you? Feb 18 00:30:19 maybe we can answer that after we figure out why ubuntu at all Feb 18 00:52:09 joel_: ping Feb 18 00:54:02 whats the most common distributed authentication in Unix? Feb 18 00:54:30 you mean things like kerberos? Feb 18 00:54:48 well, if i want to put a bunch of beaglebones out doing tasks Feb 18 00:54:57 i dont' want to have to configure local users on them all Feb 18 00:55:25 it woudl be better to have them authetnicate against a central user database Feb 18 00:55:42 like Active Directory in Windows Feb 18 00:56:35 is it soemthing like Kerebos and LDAP? Feb 18 00:57:24 windows authentication is based on kerberos, at least in some cases Feb 18 02:20:04 davest: howdy Feb 18 02:23:45 mranostay: do you have a favored code repository.. git or opencvs? Feb 18 02:23:46 etc Feb 18 02:24:33 git Feb 18 02:24:42 cvs is just horrible Feb 18 02:25:06 yup. Feb 18 02:25:17 i need to bring the server internal now Feb 18 02:25:44 compliance issues Feb 18 02:25:45 :-( Feb 18 02:25:56 i'm sure that the shared github is probably pretty secure Feb 18 02:26:00 but i can't prove it Feb 18 02:26:36 im just wondering if there are any versions better than others. Feb 18 02:27:02 well define secure? or just private Feb 18 02:27:09 mranostay: hehe cvs isn't horrible, just not well suited for OSS dev, hehe Feb 18 02:27:42 "secure" aka, not attached to the internet Feb 18 02:27:53 other than in 'approved' ways Feb 18 02:28:02 which means 2 factor auth Feb 18 02:28:21 and in the main, the code never leaves Feb 18 02:28:41 prpplague: people never use it correctly.. and over two people you will loving all the conflicts resolutions :) Feb 18 02:29:01 mranostay: hehe Feb 18 02:30:14 being new to this, ( other than using git as a 'user' ) are there differnet flavors of git, with different features? Feb 18 02:39:02 mrpackethead: not really Feb 18 02:39:33 you have code review frontends and etc Feb 18 02:49:25 emeb_mac: FPGA DUDE! Feb 18 02:49:43 mranostay: hola! Feb 18 02:49:58 just got back from a weekend in San Diego. Feb 18 02:54:55 getting some rays/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 18 02:59:58 2013