**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 18 02:59:58 2013 Feb 18 03:02:23 * mranostay shoots gamma rays at Crofton Feb 18 05:21:50 sigh... @#%$!@#$!@$@#!!@# thread on u-boot sources wtf Feb 18 05:23:57 linky-poo? Feb 18 05:53:54 using OE to get sources isn't that big Feb 18 06:32:12 ds2: yoctoallthings! Feb 18 07:03:17 YuCKto Feb 18 07:08:27 +1 Feb 18 07:14:41 should still let fishriver try to change that view Feb 18 07:16:31 I'm going to try the 802.15.4 module in the FRI2 once I manage to extract and backport the linux-zigbee patches Feb 18 07:21:06 is there a complete spec for the FRI2 somewhere? Feb 18 07:22:07 http://us.kontron.com/products/systems+and+platforms/m2m/m2m+smart+services+developer+kit.html is as close as it gets Feb 18 07:22:12 FRI2 export controlled? Feb 18 07:22:23 i am having trouble getting my XM to boot. I have tried many of the premade images with no luck. the closest i am now is when the terminal output says it is loading u-boot from mmc. it just hangs there. can someone point me in a direction? i have been all through the forums with no luck. thanks. Feb 18 07:22:35 I have seen that list...doesn't seem that complete Feb 18 07:23:35 ds2: let me check if I can ssh in the one that I left on at home... Feb 18 07:25:05 ds2: ok, I'm in. what do you want to know about it? :) Feb 18 07:26:23 user__: how do you write those images to SD? Feb 18 07:26:41 what RF interfaces is really on there? Feb 18 07:26:50 BT? 802.11? other? Feb 18 07:27:01 kontron list a lot of things as optional Feb 18 07:27:28 01:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 (rev 34) Feb 18 07:28:00 looks like WiFi Feb 18 07:28:02 Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0451:16a8 Texas Instruments, Inc. -- which is a 2531 or such with a standard 802.15.4 firmware it seems Feb 18 07:28:05 yes Feb 18 07:28:12 any bluetooth? Feb 18 07:28:38 does hciconfig or hcitool show anything? Feb 18 07:28:46 dm8tbr: win32diskimager Feb 18 07:29:10 ds2: hcitool dev comes up empty Feb 18 07:29:42 ok.. probally no BT Feb 18 07:29:45 haven't figured what to use mine for Feb 18 07:30:06 ds2: could be a driver issue though. google seems to indicate bt for the 6205 chipset? Feb 18 07:30:10 dm8tbr: what kind of storage is on there? Feb 18 07:30:44 dm8tbr: or they didn't bring it out...that's the problem with the kontron listing. Feb 18 07:31:33 the 6205 is a minipcie card Feb 18 07:31:46 storage: 2 microSD slots, one internal, one external Feb 18 07:32:12 you can dump an flash card into the empty minipcie slot (or a 3G modem, or ...) Feb 18 07:32:55 that's the only storage on there? Feb 18 07:33:08 nand Feb 18 07:33:22 I don't think it has any NAND Feb 18 07:33:35 sorry emmc Feb 18 07:33:40 neither Feb 18 07:33:57 both SDIO seem to be µSD sockets Feb 18 07:33:58 hmmm... unusual for x86 Feb 18 07:34:13 that would mean no legacy bios? Feb 18 07:34:35 comes with EFI by default Feb 18 07:34:47 if you buy from kontron it comes with a legacy bios Feb 18 07:35:16 ds2: x86 is always unusual Feb 18 07:35:46 the platform controller hub does have SATA, but it doesn't seem to be accessible Feb 18 07:35:53 same for a CAN-bus Feb 18 07:36:21 for the latter I'm going to look at the PCB if there are any signs of it being on test-points or so though Feb 18 07:36:55 Hmmmm Feb 18 07:37:01 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2154271 Feb 18 07:37:07 not all of that might be accessible Feb 18 07:37:31 this might make a usable home automation controller with the addition of a BT module if the one onboard isn't available Feb 18 07:38:32 bt is easy enough. it has 1 USB-A and 1 or 2 USB-micro-A Feb 18 07:39:22 one of the ports is supposed to be switchable to usb-device mode, but seems there is no kernel support at the moment Feb 18 07:39:40 IIRC, power is just 12V in, right? Feb 18 07:40:03 yes Feb 18 07:40:15 btw: it is passively cooled but gets very warm Feb 18 07:40:30 user__: did you try writing the images using linux? Feb 18 07:41:14 Hmmmm that might open it up to being solar powered Feb 18 07:41:20 backed up with a gel cel Feb 18 07:41:49 better make that a large panel though ;) Feb 18 07:42:31 dm8tbr: no, i only have windows available Feb 18 07:42:50 user__: that might very well be your problem then Feb 18 07:43:08 depends on how well ACPI works ;) Feb 18 07:43:26 not all images can be written straight to the device. some are really just archives of filesystems Feb 18 07:44:40 hrm, no powertop on the device Feb 18 07:47:37 maybe that is too scary to put on there Feb 18 07:50:54 it compiles, but it seems the image on my FRI2 is old. the new stuff seems to use rpm, while the image uses opkg... Feb 18 07:54:33 thought it was an option to use RPM Feb 18 07:54:37 not a requirement Feb 18 08:23:35 hello, anybody here? Feb 18 08:23:59 nick ex4 Feb 18 08:24:08 hello Feb 18 08:49:39 gah Feb 18 08:50:21 connection breaking? Feb 18 08:54:24 the flavor of #beagle is proportional to the time of day Feb 18 08:56:15 but always sugar free Feb 18 08:59:47 but never troll-free Feb 18 09:12:33 dm8tbr: my client ran wild Feb 18 09:12:37 had to shoot it Feb 18 09:14:04 Pistorius wife probably ran wild also... Feb 18 09:25:06 ynezz: she had no good guy with a gun Feb 18 09:31:18 ohh, what's this am43 soc? Feb 18 10:29:19 hey everyone Feb 18 11:44:29 morning, trolls Feb 18 11:44:36 moin Feb 18 11:44:46 up early Feb 18 11:51:33 I call it preparing to travel west Feb 18 11:54:20 gm Feb 18 11:54:34 mg Feb 18 11:56:29 hi, following your advice (koen) i downloaded the sources for angstrom, built the image and run it on my bbxm with no issues. when building the image is it possible to build it for bbxm rather than beagleboard? as i see only options for beagleboard (and others), and i need to use the full frequencies of the DM3730. Feb 18 11:57:08 Also is it possible to build the image to be using x11? i tried doing "MACHINE=beagleboard bitbake x11-image" but the error i get is "ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'x11-image' " Feb 18 12:10:05 JIHAD! trolls Feb 18 12:11:55 koth Feb 18 12:12:27 starklombardi find out which images you have available Feb 18 12:13:06 or install the packages aftewards with opkg after setting up a local webserver with deploy-dir linked in Feb 18 13:46:40 hi @woglinde thanks for your help, but I haven't been able to find if bbxm is there, is there a manual for bitbake to know what the options for building can be? I am working in the blind, so all the commands I know (e.g. bitbake virtual/kernel -c compile -f, etc.) I have seen them in forums with not that much info on what the commands are doing. Feb 18 14:01:03 starklombardi read the yocto maunal Feb 18 14:01:07 ups manual Feb 18 14:01:40 and read the angstroem develepmont tips Feb 18 14:38:09 starklombardi: there's no bbxm machine, since it's detected at runtime Feb 18 14:38:40 starklombardi: so the one 'beagleboard' machine covers it all Feb 18 14:39:07 one kernel to rule them all Feb 18 14:39:20 well except for the 'bones Feb 18 14:40:19 thurbad: once Linux is finished we will have a single kernel Feb 18 14:40:36 scary Feb 18 14:41:29 av500: you mean systemd? Feb 18 14:42:44 lennux? Feb 18 14:43:49 in other news, new tizen SDK is out Feb 18 14:43:59 yup Feb 18 14:44:16 it's all rpm now I hear Feb 18 14:46:49 dm8tbr: OMG Feb 18 14:46:56 * av500 leaves project in disgust Feb 18 15:00:07 exist erratum 430973 still in cortex-a8 r1p3 ti omap3503d? Feb 18 15:00:49 yes Feb 18 15:01:13 fixed in r2p1 Feb 18 15:01:22 so dm37xx doesn't have it Feb 18 15:03:49 I recommend not using thumb code on those chips Feb 18 15:05:16 it's not like thumb actually gains you anything anyway Feb 18 15:09:18 gm troll persons of interest Feb 18 15:09:30 morning panto Feb 18 15:09:47 hi mru Feb 18 15:20:33 mru: thanks Feb 18 15:43:19 mru: so the help text for the config option requires an update Feb 18 15:43:29 http://www.kotzendes-einhorn.de/blog/2013-02/my-lidl-pony/ Feb 18 15:46:49 finally! Feb 18 15:56:23 Russ: ping Feb 18 16:05:24 thweber: yes, the help text seems wrong Feb 18 16:05:45 it was probably written when r1p2 was the latest version Feb 18 16:07:50 send a patch Feb 18 16:08:00 can't be bothered Feb 18 16:09:29 actually, I vaguely recall fixing all those help texts at some point Feb 18 16:09:39 but my patches always get lost Feb 18 16:11:00 av500: awesome :-D Feb 18 16:15:02 :) Feb 18 16:54:32 hey Feb 18 16:57:47 ho Feb 18 17:22:58 panto: hey Feb 18 17:23:01 panto: you around? Feb 18 17:27:32 prpplague, hey Feb 18 17:27:32 yes Feb 18 17:27:39 just replied Feb 18 17:27:48 panto: ahh thanks Feb 18 17:28:24 panto: no worries, just want to make sure i can get them done before departing in the morning Feb 18 17:28:30 prpplague, I'm at ABS Feb 18 17:28:43 I'll fill in the project page during the break Feb 18 17:28:51 panto: dandy! Feb 18 17:59:41 mdp: you are going to be doing your 6502 stuff at the ELC tech showcase right? Feb 18 18:06:03 Thanks both @koen- and @woglinde . Following your advice I found the images I can use (systemd-gnome-image and xfce-nm-image), and they build the kernel image without errors, but when booting the screen flashes showing the thinking clock, and after a few flashes the beagleboard login is shown no gui though. Is this a common problem? Any advice on how to fix it? Looked without luck in forums. Feb 18 18:08:51 the ph0rums Feb 18 18:09:17 * prpplague thinks he has had way too much coffee today Feb 18 18:09:33 hmmm, guess i'll go get some more.... Feb 18 18:10:18 Russ: greetings again Feb 18 18:10:27 prpplague: shadow people? Feb 18 18:10:50 must be Feb 18 18:11:13 * prpplague has way to many things to get done before leaving tomorrow for ELC Feb 18 18:18:26 prpplague: slides arent one right? :P Feb 18 18:18:55 mranostay: hehe, nope, already have those done Feb 18 18:19:12 mranostay: trying to make sure we have everything for Jayneil 's beaglebone tutorials ready Feb 18 18:24:06 reeeeeeeeeeee Feb 18 18:27:11 meeeeeeeeee Feb 18 18:28:46 harlem shake on IRC? Feb 18 18:32:04 * emeb hasn't seen harlem shake. Feb 18 18:36:25 panto: get off my lawn! Feb 18 18:37:30 mranostay, they let me in! Feb 18 18:37:34 * panto dances Feb 18 18:37:45 * panto gets promptly arrested Feb 18 18:37:57 mranostay: https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/Syo6EK7pxVG Feb 18 18:39:52 I'm all kinds of jealous of you people Feb 18 18:40:06 you all get to go to kernel events Feb 18 18:40:13 and I'm stuck in userspace! Feb 18 18:40:27 biot, are you jealous of our trip expenses too? Feb 18 18:40:44 biot: plenty of userspace stuff going on at ELC, you need to get sigrok presentation submitted for ELC-E Feb 18 18:40:44 that, not so much Feb 18 18:40:49 heh Feb 18 18:40:52 biot: or maybe for linuxcon-eu Feb 18 18:40:58 it's not cheap being a (kernel) pimp Feb 18 18:41:12 prpplague: nah, doesn't really belong there Feb 18 18:41:21 biot, why? submit it Feb 18 18:41:25 expenses usually stay in 4 figures, not so bad Feb 18 18:41:43 because it has nothing to do with the kernel, and it's even cross-platform Feb 18 18:41:43 biot: why? my presentation last years linuxcon was well received (or i think it was) Feb 18 18:41:49 if it's interesting, it's interesting Feb 18 18:42:24 biot: CareBear\ did openocd Feb 18 18:42:29 biot: that's userspace Feb 18 18:42:36 but it's related to embedded stuff Feb 18 18:42:42 so relevant Feb 18 18:42:59 biot, you'll never know until you try Feb 18 18:43:04 panto: ok mom :) Feb 18 18:43:23 mranostay, no punk rock music for you tonight! go to your room. Feb 18 18:43:34 hehe Feb 18 18:43:47 biot: you should submit for both linuxcon-eu and elc-e Feb 18 18:43:49 biot just rry Feb 18 18:43:52 ups try Feb 18 18:44:12 mranostay: like the cards? hehe Feb 18 18:45:53 creeper cards? Feb 18 18:49:41 mru: good point i better check that QR code :P Feb 18 18:51:28 hahah lol Feb 18 18:51:35 creepercards via QR Feb 18 18:52:21 wmat: ping Feb 18 18:52:30 mranostay: hehe Feb 18 19:05:43 action Feb 18 19:12:45 re-action Feb 18 19:13:09 double-action Feb 18 19:13:53 framebuffer-bus Feb 18 19:13:56 hm hm Feb 18 19:14:08 -ENSFW Feb 18 19:14:33 oh bit banging! Feb 18 19:14:48 hm framebuffer bus makes more sense than dbus Feb 18 19:14:55 in kernel Feb 18 19:20:37 woglinde, that what surface flinger in android does Feb 18 19:20:39 over binder though Feb 18 19:23:38 ah hm Feb 18 19:23:56 but I thought qualcomm stuff is more wired Feb 18 19:24:05 *sigh* ABS has started and soon ELC will be all over g+ Feb 18 19:24:27 ABS? Feb 18 19:24:36 AndroidBuildersSummit Feb 18 19:24:44 we need to do elc barbados Feb 18 19:24:51 yes! Feb 18 19:37:14 any one have experiance with omapdss? Feb 18 19:37:27 many do Feb 18 19:37:41 I am not Feb 18 19:37:47 ok Feb 18 19:38:08 ask a question Feb 18 19:39:45 How do you configure the beagleboard xm to output to the monitor with omapdss? is there a tutorial/ guide? Feb 18 19:40:03 i admit, i'm a noob Feb 18 19:41:18 I have it installed, and load it with modprobe. I'm looking for what steps are next. Feb 18 20:03:53 mru: who do we have to bribe/blackmail for ELC Barbodos? :) Feb 18 20:05:51 hmm, blackmail... Feb 18 20:06:48 I'll bring the tele lens Feb 18 20:08:28 troll troll troll Feb 18 21:32:05 Can anyone help with meta-ti questions? Feb 18 21:38:37 don't ask meta-questions Feb 18 21:38:55 hell, that was a meta-meta-question Feb 18 21:39:34 mru, Not cool Feb 18 21:39:56 I'm not joking Feb 18 21:40:39 just ask Feb 18 21:40:45 there may be someone who can Feb 18 21:41:00 exosyst: get used to cold showers here :) Feb 18 21:41:12 most of people here are trolls - that's what we do here :) Feb 18 21:41:20 heh Feb 18 21:41:24 come on, that wasn't nearly as bad as it can get Feb 18 21:41:31 I just noticed the excahnge in another channel Feb 18 21:42:19 It does get a bit like IRC ping-pong with some of this stuff Feb 18 21:42:52 So much documentation for Yocto... except for the fringe usecases I (and my bloody delegates) end up running up against. Feb 18 21:44:08 heh Feb 18 21:44:17 so people complain there is not enough Feb 18 21:51:01 mru: oh, it definitely can get much worse... :) Feb 18 22:16:22 denix: you in trolling distance yet? Feb 18 22:16:39 mranostay: east cost Feb 18 22:16:54 boo! Feb 18 22:18:07 hey, go boo yourself! :) Feb 18 22:50:50 anyone ever tried/had success writing to the /sys eeprom device? Feb 18 22:52:18 which one of all? Feb 18 22:53:26 the beaglebone onboard... /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-0050/eeprom Feb 18 22:54:34 I don't remember if the eeprom is write enabled Feb 18 22:54:40 you might have to jumper something Feb 18 22:55:09 I can read from it, and people talk about writing to it, but I keep getting timeout Feb 18 22:55:31 doc says it's not write-protected, but probably would be good to verify Feb 18 23:06:18 panto: yup, that was exactly it Feb 18 23:06:35 documentation says the resistor's not installed, but as-built it is Feb 18 23:06:44 incidentally, they also got the part no. wrong Feb 18 23:07:21 n7segmen1, don't get me started on wrong TI part numbers :) Feb 18 23:08:03 er, sorry, the part number may or may not be wrong, but the doc says R21, it's actually R210 Feb 18 23:08:06 point remains :) Feb 18 23:08:13 and thanks for making me look at that Feb 18 23:09:09 n7segmen1, np Feb 18 23:20:19 back Feb 18 23:57:35 panto: hey droid dude Feb 18 23:58:56 hey, that's offensive Feb 18 23:59:07 I'm just escorting pete :P Feb 18 23:59:40 sure sure Feb 19 00:00:24 panto: what time you plan on checking in tomorrow? Feb 19 00:00:39 random kindle update grr Feb 19 00:02:33 mranostay, I will be in SF already Feb 19 00:02:58 so I can get my stuff transferred from pete's car to the hotel Feb 19 00:03:02 are you taking your car? Feb 19 00:04:21 heh no :) Feb 19 00:04:31 you know how much parking is in SF? :) Feb 19 00:04:59 got parking near the hotel for $10/day Feb 19 00:05:32 Russ: ping Feb 19 00:06:18 panto: deck? Feb 19 00:06:41 yeah, open space parking Feb 19 00:10:14 panto: i think you'll need to check in first.. since it is your CC and all :) Feb 19 00:10:22 panto: no time limit or such? Feb 19 00:10:39 10$ seems too good for SF.. just saying Feb 19 00:11:43 hi Russ! Feb 19 00:12:15 hey mranostay Feb 19 00:13:23 panto: which parking deck? Feb 19 00:16:14 koen-: isn't the one across the hotel we are staying just $20? Feb 19 00:16:35 who the hell drives to central SF? Feb 19 00:17:17 that is what i'm saying :) Feb 19 00:20:09 anyone else have a flight that lands at sfo around 8pm? Feb 19 00:21:13 Russ: today? Feb 19 00:21:43 tomorrow Feb 19 00:21:55 I get in at 2pm Feb 19 00:21:57 does that count? Feb 19 00:22:09 ya, wait around will ya Feb 19 00:22:15 heheh Feb 19 00:24:52 now the question is, play nice with the customs people or refuse to answer their silly questions? Feb 19 00:25:43 US customs? Feb 19 00:25:45 yeah Feb 19 00:25:56 you enjoy tasering and/or strip search Feb 19 00:26:07 you say that like it's a bad thing Feb 19 00:26:09 iiuc citizens are not required to provide and address and all that Feb 19 00:26:16 *an Feb 19 00:26:32 yet they hassle you if you don't Feb 19 00:27:03 ah right you have a blue passport Feb 19 00:27:29 I'll happily let them search my bag(s) Feb 19 00:27:39 since they do have a right to do that Feb 19 00:27:57 oddly, I've only once had my bags searched by customs Feb 19 00:28:04 well 'right' as will do :) Feb 19 00:28:05 at the oslo railway station Feb 19 00:28:30 Munich wanted to know what this device was in my bag going back :) Feb 19 00:28:39 that's security, not customs Feb 19 00:29:01 I've had stuff inspected by them many times Feb 19 00:30:56 ah yes customs never has searched my bag Feb 19 00:31:05 even with claiming i brought nothing back Feb 19 00:54:44 tizen stickers packed... Feb 19 00:54:56 what else do I need? Feb 19 00:56:12 octupuses? Feb 19 00:56:30 that's koen's job Feb 19 00:57:40 oh well, I'd better sleep a little before I leave Feb 19 00:57:56 so you trolls tomorrow Feb 19 01:05:48 mru is going to sleep? Feb 19 01:12:01 in a relative sense Feb 19 01:22:26 "o you trolls?" he was tired... Feb 19 02:36:59 mru: i think i am going to bring a small bottle of mouthwash, and every time alison isn't looking, pour some in her beer Feb 19 02:37:10 mru: see if she notices **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 19 02:59:58 2013