**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 25 02:59:57 2013 Feb 25 03:01:26 hmmmmmmm Feb 25 03:12:17 ds2: !!! Feb 25 03:12:23 hey Feb 25 03:12:33 you survived the trains Feb 25 03:13:29 if you call it that Feb 25 03:14:11 just one 'train' Feb 25 03:14:31 it did not split into 2? Feb 25 03:34:38 hehe mru posted that he's finally onboard and seated, hehe Feb 25 03:34:45 gonna be a long flight.... Feb 25 03:34:52 10h Feb 25 03:35:00 not so bad Feb 25 03:35:20 that's a long flight.... Feb 25 03:35:31 the bad ones are actually the 4-8h ones Feb 25 03:35:38 mru: i would have thought it would be longer from SFO Feb 25 03:36:00 mru: you are headed back to LHR right? Feb 25 03:36:07 10h is enough for something resembling sleep Feb 25 03:36:20 yes, lhr Feb 25 03:36:37 it's 11h coming here Feb 25 03:37:57 hong kong is 13h Feb 25 03:39:55 mru: enjoy the flight! hehe Feb 25 03:52:00 prpplague: enjoy a flight? Feb 25 03:52:03 are you insane? Feb 25 03:52:12 mranostay: hehe Feb 25 03:52:19 mranostay: on most cases i do Feb 25 03:52:24 * prpplague likes to travel Feb 25 03:54:07 prpplague: travel yes.. flying no Feb 25 03:55:18 hehe Feb 25 03:55:25 * prpplague likes the flying part Feb 25 03:55:51 mranostay: no level shifters for true RS-232? Feb 25 03:59:27 prpplague: to 5v logic? Feb 25 04:00:12 mranostay: from ttl to RS-232 Feb 25 04:00:45 mranostay: if you are going to go to db-9 you need to be rs-232 not uart ttl Feb 25 04:02:18 ah crap good point Feb 25 04:05:35 prpplague: have you used oshpark? Feb 25 04:06:04 mranostay: not recently, i am a fan of AC Feb 25 04:42:43 prpplague: AC? Feb 25 04:43:11 mranostay: advanced circuits Feb 25 04:43:39 mranostay: 4pcb.com Feb 25 04:45:24 prpplague: prices good? Feb 25 04:45:58 mranostay: yea, good quality, good prices, good silkscreen, and reliable delivery Feb 25 04:46:13 mranostay: there was a good post recently comparing some orders from different shops Feb 25 04:46:19 mranostay: let me see if can find that Feb 25 04:47:38 mranostay: http://www.youritronics.com/seeed-studio-vs-itead-studio-vs-osh-park/ Feb 25 04:48:03 mranostay: they didn't compare for AC, but i can tell you my experience with AC is that they beat all of those Feb 25 04:50:55 mranostay: i'd suggest going with just a rs-232 level shifter first round instead of messing with a usb->uart Feb 25 04:51:45 hmm looks like the rs-232 level shifter page on elinux has some bit rot Feb 25 04:51:53 http://www.elinux.org/RS232_Level_Shifter Feb 25 04:53:48 prpplague: i hate usb :) Feb 25 04:55:08 prpplague: ah didn't know the max233 part was the max232 part with all the caps Feb 25 04:55:54 AC quality is great but you do pay for it Feb 25 04:56:14 for simple/crude stuff, it might be overkill Feb 25 05:01:48 I've had great luck with OSHpark for the last few prototypes I've done. Feb 25 05:02:03 for small stuff I typically get 3 pcs for < $20 Feb 25 05:02:07 yea a lot of folks have good experience with them Feb 25 05:02:16 emeb_mac: nice Feb 25 05:02:53 those RXADC boards were $16 for 3 and I got them in ~2wks Feb 25 05:03:06 emeb_mac: 2 week turns? Feb 25 05:03:35 prpplague: it varies. 2-3 weeks depending on externalities (chinese new year, etc) Feb 25 05:03:47 emeb_mac: ahh Feb 25 05:04:15 yea i rarely order on anything more than 3 day turns Feb 25 05:04:58 prpplague: I'm usually not in that big of a hurry. :) Feb 25 05:05:06 hehe Feb 25 05:05:27 If this was for "real work" then I'm sure the balance would tip though. Feb 25 05:07:47 yea that is why i use AC, they are always on time Feb 25 05:08:22 yeah i go cheap and slow Feb 25 05:08:23 :) Feb 25 05:11:17 mranostay: if you have time add some info to the elinux wiki page for the uart shifters Feb 25 05:33:05 prpplague: what is the free time people talk of? :) Feb 25 05:38:18 Hmmmm RTC's are PITA Feb 25 05:38:59 ds2: really? Feb 25 05:41:02 mranostay: it is if you are considering $$$$ Feb 25 05:46:36 ds2: get a GPS module :P Feb 25 05:49:24 mranostay: the RTC is to assist the GPS module :P Feb 25 05:58:07 ds2: faster lock on? Feb 25 05:59:47 yep! Feb 25 06:04:02 ds2: what you tracking missiles? :) Feb 25 06:13:54 shhh! Feb 25 06:19:01 prpplague: geez thanks :) Feb 25 06:19:03 mranostay: no, sir! Feb 25 06:33:58 * mranostay hugs his still active student email Feb 25 06:36:21 discount? Feb 25 06:37:23 Russ: samples :) Feb 25 06:37:52 some max3232 chips coming this way Feb 25 06:39:07 mranstay: does that work at 1.8V? Feb 25 06:40:50 ds2: doesn't seem so Feb 25 06:41:03 min supply voltage is 2.0v Feb 25 06:41:23 still no single step, 0 cap 232 driver Feb 25 06:41:50 english to sw guy :) Feb 25 06:42:26 1.8V UART to RS232 levels in 1 chip w/o needing any external boost caps Feb 25 06:43:15 ah no Feb 25 06:43:33 ds2: beagleboard xm? Feb 25 06:44:32 mranostay: or any of the many 1.8V chips Feb 25 06:47:39 JIHAD! Feb 25 06:47:58 hush Feb 25 06:48:30 what? Feb 25 06:48:43 today is good day to kill infidels Feb 25 06:49:05 "The streets will flow with the blood of the unbelievers!" Feb 25 06:49:18 or people that can't work an CAD program or read datasheets Feb 25 06:49:22 - Cornholio Feb 25 06:50:15 damn.. Feb 25 06:50:20 emeb_mac: you're old! Feb 25 06:50:41 KotH: why - because I'm quoting Beavis and Butthead? Feb 25 06:50:59 emeb_mac: because you even remember them Feb 25 06:51:10 KotH: you have no idea Feb 25 06:51:27 emeb_mac: and i guess you didnt hear about them from your grandfather! Feb 25 06:52:15 KotH: I'm so old I found out about them from a younger guy. Feb 25 06:52:53 And I caught up by watching a VHS tape full of old episodes. Feb 25 06:53:58 0_o VHwhat? Feb 25 06:55:05 * KotH wonders whether B&B could be shown, in this day and age of political correctnes Feb 25 06:56:06 I'm sure it'd be expurgated Feb 25 06:56:40 is there a shortage of TP? Feb 25 06:57:16 ds2 is also old Feb 25 06:57:27 old people Feb 25 06:58:32 kindly vacate my greensward, youth! Feb 25 06:58:52 make me Feb 25 06:59:55 * dm8tbr gets more popcorn and sits down on the front porch Feb 25 07:00:24 http://xkcd.com/1022/ Feb 25 07:10:06 +1 Feb 25 07:26:51 -i Feb 25 07:29:26 <_av500_> *0 Feb 25 07:29:37 !=mc^2 Feb 25 07:29:38 LetoThe2nd: Error: "=mc^2" is not a valid command. Feb 25 07:29:49 huh? Feb 25 07:29:55 morning Feb 25 07:30:00 devbot? Feb 25 07:30:16 !foo Feb 25 07:30:16 LetoThe2nd: Error: "foo" is not a valid command. Feb 25 07:30:23 !reboot Feb 25 07:30:24 LetoThe2nd: Error: "reboot" is not a valid command. Feb 25 07:30:27 meh. Feb 25 07:30:31 heh, its a demented RiscOS bot Feb 25 07:32:26 <_av500_> !! Feb 25 07:32:28 _av500_: Error: "!" is not a valid command. Feb 25 07:32:38 <_av500_> !is not a valid command Feb 25 07:32:40 _av500_: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). Feb 25 07:33:13 LetoThe2nd: _av500_: love you guys... :) Feb 25 07:33:15 * LetoThe2nd suspects this bot was just set up so that we troll ourselves. Feb 25 07:33:52 * _av500_ trolls LetoThe2nd Feb 25 07:34:12 gm Feb 25 07:34:20 _av500_ is not a valid command Feb 25 07:34:32 I see av500 did not sleep Feb 25 07:34:43 <_av500_> quoi? Feb 25 07:34:43 no rest for the wicked Feb 25 07:34:57 * _av500_ slept a bit Feb 25 07:35:19 not a byte? Feb 25 07:35:24 _av500_: not that wicked then Feb 25 07:35:36 <_av500_> a mere mortal Feb 25 07:36:00 does anyone of the old people in here know how to reliably generate pulses in the range of 100ps with 3-10V and ~30mA ? Feb 25 07:36:10 repetition rate should be as high as possible... Feb 25 07:36:45 * _av500_ jumps onto the pulse train Feb 25 07:36:55 <_av500_> KotH: sorry, I am old but not that old Feb 25 07:36:55 100ps pulses @ 100ps rep rate is easy. Feb 25 07:37:06 ..off the rails, on a crazy train! Feb 25 07:37:16 (ozzy surely knew his stuff) Feb 25 07:37:32 <_av500_> KotH: would DT help here? Feb 25 07:37:37 surely! Feb 25 07:38:29 bitbang Feb 25 07:38:33 troll Feb 25 07:38:35 all helps Feb 25 07:40:19 LetoThe2nd: how does a zener differ from a TVS diode? Feb 25 07:41:41 mranostay: i'd guess spike reponse, but certainly just guessing. Feb 25 07:41:46 mranostay: a TVS diode is made to surpress surges with high energy at a low duty cycle rate. zener diodes are made to withstand permanent use with low energy Feb 25 07:42:13 koth dont build a light sabre Feb 25 07:42:16 ups Feb 25 07:42:22 lightsaber Feb 25 07:42:25 why not? Feb 25 07:42:30 * woglinde hugs wiki Feb 25 07:42:36 sith's will come Feb 25 07:42:40 * KotH hugs woglinde Feb 25 07:42:41 ;-) Feb 25 07:42:46 well, for one thing THEY'RE NOT REAL! Feb 25 07:42:58 i for once, welcome our new sith overlords Feb 25 07:42:58 emeb what? Feb 25 07:43:12 light sabers aren't real Feb 25 07:43:20 KotH: how are they constructed versus an zener? Feb 25 07:43:43 gn Feb 25 07:43:48 gn emeb Feb 25 07:43:51 to late Feb 25 07:45:05 speaking of lightsabers. We had lots of fun with CFLs (around 80cm long) and a 1.2kW HF transmitter feeding a 6m tall antenna Feb 25 07:45:36 too bad the videos of that accidentally got deleted :( Feb 25 07:46:31 mranostay: uh... Feb 25 07:46:36 mranostay: i dont know... Feb 25 07:46:50 mranostay: details on how silicon devices are build these days are heavily guarded secrets Feb 25 07:47:17 <_av500_> pixie dust Feb 25 07:47:18 <_av500_> loads Feb 25 07:47:22 <_av500_> bbl Feb 25 07:47:29 ciao av500 Feb 25 07:47:50 wafer waffles Feb 25 07:48:14 mranostay: if you are realy interested, try the ieee collection of documents. you should be able to find old papers about how these are build and should be able to extrapolate Feb 25 07:50:59 * LetoThe2nd also runs off to earn money and spice Feb 25 07:55:17 spice Feb 25 07:55:18 yes Feb 25 07:55:36 big fat sandworm Feb 25 07:55:50 heh the circuit simulator? :P Feb 25 07:56:41 ah uhm? Feb 25 07:56:44 no dune Feb 25 07:56:51 woglinde: i know geez Feb 25 07:57:02 nice Eagle causes Google Drive to crash Feb 25 07:59:25 crash? Feb 25 07:59:50 smash Feb 25 08:00:01 gm mrpackethead Feb 25 08:00:13 evening here, but all the same Feb 25 08:02:58 universal chat time Feb 25 08:03:02 it is always morning Feb 25 08:03:37 yes Feb 25 08:07:18 UGT Feb 25 08:08:49 woglinde: it's always time for chocolate Feb 25 08:14:46 and spice Feb 25 08:14:59 and deadlocks and livelocks Feb 25 08:28:50 * KotH runs off to waste some tax money Feb 25 08:35:46 back Feb 25 09:01:12 >/window 3 Feb 25 09:01:16 jups Feb 25 09:06:57 woglinde_: try Windows8 Feb 25 09:07:30 nothing interesting there, just boring chatter :) Feb 25 09:10:17 av500 hm where do Feb 25 09:10:21 args Feb 25 09:10:27 stupid enter key Feb 25 09:12:29 anybody going to EW? Feb 25 09:12:53 ew? Feb 25 09:13:49 woglinde_: since you have to ask, the answer is no Feb 25 09:15:11 oky Feb 25 09:15:15 good to know Feb 25 09:15:53 embedded world Feb 25 09:15:58 ST is giving away free kit Feb 25 09:16:15 hm ah right its later this year Feb 25 09:16:18 but no Feb 25 09:16:42 maybee next year Feb 25 09:17:37 its tomorrow Feb 25 09:17:46 until 28th Feb 25 11:07:37 action Feb 25 11:07:50 * XorA strikes a pose Feb 25 11:08:00 gm xora Feb 25 11:08:04 yo woglinde Feb 25 12:25:39 poor webOS Feb 25 12:26:40 av500: what's happened to it? Feb 25 12:27:14 LG is going to ruine it... :( Feb 25 12:27:25 most likely Feb 25 12:31:25 interesting, just had a read; I really like webOS and I hope they can do something with it Feb 25 12:33:03 uh LG bought it Feb 25 12:33:23 I hope they dont set there kernel developer on it Feb 25 12:34:47 I hope they don't gut everything but the UI and pretend it's not an android tv in disguise Feb 25 12:42:07 hm and mentor bought monta vista automotive Feb 25 13:11:48 ALDI LED strip successfully bitbanged with MSP launchpad Feb 25 13:12:58 no kidding Feb 25 13:13:00 launchpad ? does it use single signon too ? Feb 25 13:13:07 av500: you should have used a rpi instead :P Feb 25 13:13:15 too cheap Feb 25 13:14:25 jackmitchell: not everyone goes the samsung way and runs e17 on their stuff :) Feb 25 13:15:07 KotH: as I see it, e17 will soon be gone from it :) Feb 25 13:15:26 av500: i'm surprised they even considered it... Feb 25 13:15:42 its all bada and webapps Feb 25 13:15:50 now Feb 25 13:15:57 maybe the core UI is still e17 Feb 25 13:16:11 as long as it is in farbe und bunt with jumping and blinking animations Feb 25 13:16:54 av500: were you in the e17 talk at fosdem? Feb 25 13:16:58 deutsche-welle polen is now an embedded UI? ;) Feb 25 13:17:21 deutsche-welle polen is everywhere! Feb 25 13:17:35 and in soviet russia... Feb 25 13:19:07 ... TV colours you! Feb 25 13:24:00 KotH: no, but I had raster demo it to me personally Feb 25 13:31:10 ARM is winning: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/25/asus-fonepad-announced/ Feb 25 13:31:48 is that really big or is he just a very tiny man? Feb 25 13:32:06 mdp: :D Feb 25 13:32:16 he's super happy! Feb 25 13:32:18 * ynezz waits for tvpad Feb 25 13:32:40 I would have to get a new wardrobe to carry that in my pocket I'm afraid Feb 25 13:32:48 tvbag Feb 25 13:32:58 maybe we'll get phone bumbags (fannypacks) Feb 25 13:33:15 mdp: your 6502 remoteproc code, where is that? Feb 25 13:33:38 http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_6502_RemoteProc_cape has all info now Feb 25 13:34:06 https://github.com/ohporter/linux/tree/WIP/bone-6502-remoteproc is the branch though Feb 25 13:34:15 * mdp finds a broken link :( Feb 25 13:36:11 * mdp fixed Feb 25 13:37:19 thx Feb 25 13:40:34 av500: are they trying to beat the galaxy s at size? Feb 25 13:42:12 eh? Feb 25 13:42:16 its a 7" phonbe Feb 25 13:42:26 nothing specil about that Feb 25 13:42:30 special* Feb 25 13:42:45 oh, bada went badaboom Feb 25 13:42:50 its all tizen now Feb 25 13:43:25 it's a secure phone...nobody can read lips when you hold that up to cover your face. Feb 25 13:45:34 mdp: make sure to erase lipstick traces from the glass afterwards.... Feb 25 13:46:10 they're easier to get off the glass than off collars Feb 25 13:48:23 that's why i wear t-shirts Feb 25 15:02:31 wow, you guys have been busy while I was in the air Feb 25 15:02:58 * koenkooi yawns Feb 25 15:07:12 busy bees Feb 25 15:10:44 So, who has there Lord of C hat on? Feb 25 15:10:58 I have this test code snippet: http://www.hastebin.com/sexihuxafi.cpp Feb 25 15:11:22 assigning test_strings to test_struct.string_array gives me an incomaptible pointer Feb 25 15:12:12 of course it does Feb 25 15:13:27 1-star vs 2-star Feb 25 15:13:48 so I should be making a pointer to point to the pointer of the string array? Feb 25 15:14:34 what you should depends on what you want Feb 25 15:15:00 also on what you should want Feb 25 15:15:04 I want to be able to say test_struct.test_strings[x] and give me the pointer to test_strings[x] Feb 25 15:15:28 sorry, I mean: test_struct.string_array[x] and give me the pointer to test_strings[x] Feb 25 15:16:02 jackmitchell c vs c++ Feb 25 15:16:08 no Feb 25 15:16:18 you should decide for one Feb 25 15:16:20 and not mix it Feb 25 15:16:42 they are the same in this regard Feb 25 15:16:55 well, I don't know C++, so if I'm inadvertently coding it then it is down to my inadequacy in C ;) Feb 25 15:17:27 than call the file not cpp Feb 25 15:17:42 sorry, that's hastebins automagic Feb 25 15:17:56 ah uhm Feb 25 15:17:58 okay Feb 25 15:26:30 mru: thanks I had a play with the 2-star method and it works (and makes sense) Feb 25 15:28:58 jackmitchell why are you making c at all Feb 25 15:29:16 and do not know pointers of pointers Feb 25 15:30:10 woglinde: I just don't use pointers of pointers very often; so I'm not that familiar with them Feb 25 15:30:52 ;) Feb 25 15:30:52 and I haven't been programming C for very long, so still learning; got to start somewhere eh? Feb 25 15:36:23 morning Feb 25 15:36:42 yes Feb 25 15:38:05 trools Feb 25 15:38:40 TROLL! Feb 25 15:43:19 anyone have any tips on booting the beagle bone w/ 3.8 and device tree? i have the 3.8 kernel w/ patches, new uboot, and modules built and installed on the SD card but can't get it to boot Feb 25 15:44:45 cmicali: any more info? What exactly is it doing? Feb 25 15:45:19 it's hanging on power up - i actually don't see anything in the console Feb 25 15:45:37 not even any u-boot spew? Feb 25 15:46:34 no, no uboot stuff - i have u-boot.img, MLO, and uEnv.txt in the fat partition, and uEnv.txt also in /boot of the ext3 partition Feb 25 15:46:45 maybe missing one or two other files? Feb 25 15:47:35 if you don't even get any u-boot info then I would say one of two things; either your serial is incorrectly setup or you u-boot binaries are naff Feb 25 15:48:25 heh good point - will double-check again the serial with another sd card before i waste more time Feb 25 15:51:21 yeah serial is OK, i'll double-check how i built the u-boot binaries again Feb 25 15:51:45 did you configure them for the am335x_config? Feb 25 15:52:28 i think i used make am335x_evm_config, make omap3_beagle_config, then make Feb 25 15:52:49 yeah scraped from here http://beagleboard.org/project/U-Boot+(V1) Feb 25 15:52:56 omap3_beagle_config is for the beagleboard I reckon Feb 25 15:53:12 agh, let me retry with just am335x_evm_config Feb 25 15:53:23 just do the am335x one and not the beagle one Feb 25 15:54:18 building.. really appreciate the help btw, thanks! Feb 25 15:57:11 jackmitchel: amazing, that was it - it's booting now, some other errors but now i can actually debug it Feb 25 15:57:14 thanks! Feb 25 15:57:19 no problem Feb 25 16:01:27 * _av500_ is rolling Feb 25 16:02:49 * ogra_ hands _av500_ a T Feb 25 16:03:03 we see _av500_ rolling, we hatin' Feb 25 16:19:09 jackmitchel: so I switched from uboot 2012.10 (was on 2013.01, which was not working), which now loads uEnv.txt OK, but i get a "data abort" message when it's trying to load /boot/uImage - any idea what that is? Feb 25 16:19:23 resets after that, and loops Feb 25 16:21:12 pastebin your full log maybe? Feb 25 16:21:44 http://pastebin.com/CqjwcMBB Feb 25 16:22:04 i'm using the uEnv.txt from the README in https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 Feb 25 16:22:34 and the uImage is generated from the scripts in that repo also, u-boot built from the 2012.10 tag Feb 25 16:25:07 cmicali: you're using the uenv for vanilla u-boot and not angstrom u-boot Feb 25 16:25:31 also, what files are in your /boot/ directory Feb 25 16:26:17 let me try Feb 25 16:28:13 jackmitchel: i double checked - i'm using the angstrom u-boot (${kloadaddr} istead of ${loadaddr}) Feb 25 16:28:28 cmicali: ok, use the vanilla one and try that Feb 25 16:28:58 in /boot I have am335x-bone.dtb, uEnv.txt, and uImage Feb 25 16:29:15 cmicali: you don't need uEnv.txt. in boot, just on your FAT partition Feb 25 16:29:24 ok - wasn't sure about that, it was there on the demo image Feb 25 16:29:27 ill remove Feb 25 16:30:12 that was it Feb 25 16:30:17 the vanilla works Feb 25 16:30:48 amazing - thank you again for the help!! Feb 25 16:30:48 good, enjoy your new kernel Feb 25 16:31:47 i have an IIO driver for a TI adc i've written, but needed a newer kernel than 3.2 (needed something after iio got moved from staging to mainline) Feb 25 16:31:55 so this is perfect Feb 25 16:32:09 time to get a-wiring' Feb 25 16:32:33 good luck with it, I can tell you it's much nicer doing kernel programming with this version of the kernel than it was for the 3.2.psp Feb 25 16:32:59 yeah the little time i had to spend with 3.2.psp was a bit more painful than I am used to Feb 25 16:33:15 nothing is better than PSP ;) Feb 25 16:33:23 * mdp runs to lunch Feb 25 16:33:25 just remember though it's still got a fairly hefty delta to mainline and not everything is perfect; so follow up on any bugs you see and try to let someone know about them Feb 25 16:33:42 ok will do - where should I direct that, the google groups? Feb 25 16:34:16 it depends, I usually shout in here, if no one listens and I'm sure it's a bug I'll risk embarrassing myself of the arm-linux mailing list Feb 25 16:34:49 ok thx - i'll post here if i see anything that feels wrong Feb 25 17:14:22 mranostay: w1-gpio and firmware fix pushed Feb 25 17:31:28 * mru is home Feb 25 17:31:34 house is still there Feb 25 17:32:29 mru: that is good Feb 25 17:34:34 of course I would have noticed rather quickly were it to have vanished Feb 25 17:34:54 since presumably it would've taken my servers with it Feb 25 18:26:11 did he want exact steps? Feb 25 18:26:38 sorry, looks like i was responding to a backlog Feb 25 18:26:59 @ dubai now. pleasant Feb 25 18:31:03 * mranostay hands joel_ a troll hat Feb 25 18:31:10 you are one of us now Feb 25 18:34:17 mru: vanishing houses a problem in the UK? Feb 25 18:36:38 not really Feb 25 18:42:16 pub, sweet pub Feb 25 18:44:12 koen: ping Feb 25 19:10:26 prpplague: pong Feb 25 19:12:13 koenkooi: i forgot to bring in Mr.Hexie to the office today, i'll get him in tomorrow Feb 25 19:12:24 koenkooi: i am headed your way in about an hour Feb 25 19:12:37 koenkooi: need to pack up some more stuff Feb 25 19:19:35 koen, you did some ogre3d stuff with beagleboard... was that xM or classic? Feb 25 19:23:25 not sure Feb 25 19:23:48 it was before TI fucked up the driver to make the classic lock up with 3D Feb 25 19:25:32 ah I haven't had mine lock upbut haven't pushed very far into 3d Feb 25 19:30:10 you've only done 2.1D or so? Feb 25 19:31:38 jackmitchell: you there? got a link to your DT spi1 pinmux patch? Feb 25 19:35:08 hmm, large bag of omap4 chips Feb 25 19:35:49 * XorA gets prpplague some vinegar Feb 25 19:39:19 hmm i seem to have found a box with a several darkly colored canis lupus familiaris skeletal remains Feb 25 19:39:48 beaglebones? Feb 25 19:40:14 your encryption is easily defeated Feb 25 19:40:29 not a very secure codebook :-D Feb 25 19:42:05 good lord, i did not realize i had some much stuff still take home Feb 25 19:42:53 * mru enlarges a volume to make room for photos Feb 25 19:43:10 maybe I should delete some of the worst ones... Feb 25 19:43:29 mru: delete some porn Feb 25 19:43:46 mranostay: these are all photos taken by me Feb 25 19:43:51 mru: delete some porn Feb 25 19:44:14 which of course does not in principle preclude porn being among them Feb 25 19:44:17 <_av500_> classic ogre Feb 25 19:44:39 <_av500_> er Feb 25 19:44:49 it does make it rather unlikely, however Feb 25 19:44:53 <_av500_> oops Feb 25 19:45:40 since I can't afford paid models Feb 25 19:46:34 how about hard for cash barmaids? Feb 25 19:48:39 prpplague: from TI HQ? Feb 25 19:55:32 mranostay: yea Feb 25 19:55:58 mranostay: have to take it home for now, until my office is ready at cco Feb 25 20:01:54 did they give you any idea of performance specs on the blackbone at ELC? Feb 25 20:02:19 * prpplague can not comment Feb 25 20:03:16 <_av500_> mrpackethead: 54 or even better Feb 25 20:03:17 black.. bone? Feb 25 20:03:23 <_av500_> yes Feb 25 20:03:54 That must be what the BBone-SRM-manual-editor said he would be busy with for a while when I pointed out some stuff that needed fixing Feb 25 20:03:55 whos Matt Richardson Feb 25 20:04:52 _av500_: 54 what? Feb 25 20:05:18 <_av500_> 54 megaperfs Feb 25 20:05:28 what does the current bone do Feb 25 20:05:52 <_av500_> its metric Feb 25 20:07:29 <_av500_> mrpackethead: speed should be about the same Feb 25 20:08:01 i like not having to have the OS on a SD card Feb 25 20:08:06 thats a *big* win for me Feb 25 20:08:15 <_av500_> a tad faster Feb 25 20:09:36 <_av500_> mrpackethead: yes, we are back to the big confusion of stuff in NAND like on BB classic Feb 25 20:09:50 there was no confusion Feb 25 20:09:51 <_av500_> :) Feb 25 20:09:54 people were just idiots Feb 25 20:10:00 <_av500_> were? Feb 25 20:10:06 <_av500_> they are not any more? Feb 25 20:10:17 got to give people the benefit of the doubt Feb 25 20:10:21 people can grow Feb 25 20:10:52 mrpackethead, no, the did not give that information at elc Feb 25 20:10:58 <_av500_> hope springs eternal Feb 25 20:10:59 <_av500_> Feb 25 20:11:04 (performance) Feb 25 20:11:55 the hdmi and emmc is public afaik Feb 25 20:12:23 * prpplague takes the darkly colored canis lupus familiaris skeletal remains and goes to the car Feb 25 20:12:49 blackbone... heh Feb 25 20:12:53 I am permitted to say that I am happy with the performance of my unnamed beaglebone Feb 25 20:13:01 i was just listening to Matt richardsons video Feb 25 20:13:04 he was claiming he had one Feb 25 20:13:36 * _av500_ has one too Feb 25 20:13:44 * mranostay has one as well Feb 25 20:13:55 everyone has one Feb 25 20:13:59 * _av500_ high fives the in-crowd Feb 25 20:14:02 we know people Feb 25 20:14:08 <_av500_> people know us Feb 25 20:14:26 and those people eventually figured out I moved to california Feb 25 20:14:31 * _av500_ makes secret gang sign Feb 25 20:14:47 and Tartarus moved someone too Feb 25 20:15:10 (originally, there was a "ship them to those 2 developers in AZ") Feb 25 20:15:22 heh Feb 25 20:15:35 * _av500_ is in Paris now Feb 25 20:15:49 _av500_, cool beans Feb 25 20:16:02 _av500_: getting your dose of rudeness? Feb 25 20:16:07 <_av500_> yes Feb 25 20:16:23 <_av500_> its a give and take thing Feb 25 20:16:25 heh Feb 25 20:16:30 Yes, eventually I got one too Feb 25 20:16:34 rudeness? I think you mean a professional level of trolling Feb 25 20:16:48 Tartarus: what rev? Feb 25 20:16:48 <_av500_> ok, bbl Feb 25 20:16:56 And, playing devils advocate, there's no nandecc switch crap to keep getting wrong on the undisclosed beagleboard Feb 25 20:17:14 So it might not be as bad as NAND on the original beagleboard Feb 25 20:17:21 mranostay: Don't recall Feb 25 20:17:41 and bonus, the board actually turns on when you plug the power cable in Feb 25 20:19:42 turning on is overrated Feb 25 20:20:22 (as apossed to turning the board over, finding the button with the tiny silkscreen labeled pwr, and pressing that) Feb 25 20:21:55 Russ: EVM? Feb 25 20:22:36 pressing the button is preferred Feb 25 20:22:51 mranostay, sk Feb 25 20:22:58 * mranostay presses ds2's buttons Feb 25 20:23:02 the bone just powering up is very annoying Feb 25 20:23:10 ? Feb 25 20:23:13 but then some of us care about debugging batteries and power paths Feb 25 20:23:14 you just plug it in Feb 25 20:23:18 :p Feb 25 20:23:34 ds2: and the lack of NAND as well? Feb 25 20:23:46 and it is damn annoying when you plug in a console and everything changes underneath you Feb 25 20:23:51 mranostay: well, that is a given :P Feb 25 20:23:52 I just do "~$reset" and it powers up great! Feb 25 20:24:32 ds2, use an rs232 cape and DC pwr input Feb 25 20:26:31 ds2: you know mru was trying to troll you with the NAND question :P Feb 25 20:58:34 cd /win 45 Feb 25 20:58:41 fail.. Feb 25 21:13:14 dm8tbr: eh/ Feb 25 21:13:16 ? Feb 25 21:24:58 mranostay: yes, I did. Feb 25 21:25:54 mranostay: and I am glad he did... went through it way too fast. should've had a timer on the podium Feb 25 21:26:57 koenkooi had the shortest talk though Feb 25 21:27:15 he did? Feb 25 21:27:24 but was he talking like the old fedex man? Feb 25 21:27:27 the questions are part of the talk, damn it Feb 25 21:27:40 but yes, slides ran out after 11 minutes Feb 25 21:30:08 koenkooi: oh.. hehe... Feb 25 21:30:12 guess I am in good company Feb 25 21:31:17 koenkooi: cop out :) Feb 25 21:31:39 i was sleepy/tired from day before Feb 25 21:31:49 hadn't had bart figured out Feb 25 21:33:56 ds2: you commuted every day? Feb 25 21:34:15 mranostay: yeah Feb 25 21:34:37 mranostay: it worked fine the previous years Feb 25 21:34:52 but less fun Feb 25 21:35:00 but previous years didn't have support for other shows happening at the same time Feb 25 21:35:03 true Feb 25 21:35:17 think I stayed past midnight at one event before Feb 25 21:35:24 and still commuted home Feb 25 21:35:26 what a rebel Feb 25 22:20:11 <_av500_> yo Feb 25 22:22:39 <_av500_> Tartarus: nandecc what? Feb 25 22:23:34 _av500_: My assumption about the restore NAND hell was the "fun" of getting the right nandecc command in u-boot so that you would write a valid image Feb 25 22:24:51 koenkooi: you really should do a BoF...I wasn't expected to have any material...sooooo much easier Feb 25 22:26:41 why all the secrecy behind the new beagle board? Feb 25 22:28:04 marketeers Feb 25 22:28:23 if its behind a beagleboard its only a small secret though Feb 25 22:29:06 does anyone know and would anyone be willing to tell me how much the new beagle board will be selling for? Feb 25 22:38:44 No official pricing has been released yet to my knowledge, but I believe it was supposed to be roughly half that of the current one. Feb 25 22:41:54 the beaglebone black? Feb 25 22:42:09 or another "secret" Feb 25 22:44:47 That's pretty awesome Feb 25 22:45:18 Any idea on how to get a beagle board that's rated for industrial use short of assembling the boards myself? Feb 25 22:46:55 abetusk_w: looks like the main processor is rated -40 to 90 C! Feb 25 22:47:18 so, you could probably contact CCo to get them to make an industrial-rated version for you. Feb 25 22:47:26 CCo = CircuitCo Feb 25 22:48:33 Do you think they would give a reasonable price for a small run (of 1, say)? Feb 25 22:49:39 <_av500_> Tartarus: no, nand hell was people with 2y obsolete uboots that did not match modern kernels Feb 25 22:49:44 if you just want one, why not just buy a few and screen/profile them yourself? Feb 25 22:50:12 <_av500_> Tartarus: and not really obvious ot them that they were booting from nand and SD Feb 25 22:50:15 <_av500_> mixed Feb 25 22:50:31 <_av500_> Tartarus: the "fix" was nand erase Feb 25 22:50:34 abetusk_w: I suppose you could pay them a fairly reasonable amount to screen/profile them for you, but it depends on what you'd consider reasonable. Feb 25 22:50:40 <_av500_> and ignore the nand afterwards Feb 25 22:51:06 <_av500_> abetusk_w: for one unit, make a box around it that controls the climate for it Feb 25 22:51:11 at that quantity, it doesn't seem reasonable to redesign it for higher tolerances, but rather put it in ovens and profile the death rate. Feb 25 22:51:11 <_av500_> much simpler Feb 25 22:53:11 reminds me of http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/909/if-aircraft-black-boxes-are-indestructible-why-cant-the-whole-plane-be-made-from-the-same-material: If the "black boxes" used on aircraft to record cockpit conversation and flight data are so indestructible, why can't they make the whole airplane out of the same material? Feb 25 22:55:02 <_av500_> jkridner_: the url said it all : Feb 25 22:55:05 <_av500_> :) Feb 25 22:55:15 good point Feb 25 22:55:35 <_av500_> if bank safes are so safe, why not make the whole bank into one? Feb 25 22:56:06 ok, well, rough numbers, just talking with circuit co, they said at least $15 (or was it $50?). They said that most of the parts could be swapped out no problem except for at least one which would require a footprint change Feb 25 22:56:17 anyway, all in all, not too bad. Something I'll consider Feb 25 22:56:28 I'm going to wait a few days to see what the new beagle board looks like anyway Feb 25 22:56:57 "a few days" <-- I thought it was coming out in April? Feb 25 22:57:13 oh, well, then a few weeks to a month Feb 25 22:57:23 sorry, I guess that's my eagerness talking Feb 25 22:58:47 "looks like" ? Feb 25 23:14:56 <_av500_> mdp: is there a prebuilt toolchain for stellaris m4 to be had? Feb 25 23:17:58 _av500_: get GAE: https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded Feb 25 23:19:09 what emeb said is what I use Feb 25 23:19:28 cslite has an eabi-none build too IIRC Feb 25 23:19:58 yep - don't think it tracks the leading edge quite as closely tho. Feb 25 23:20:05 <_av500_> this none- foo is to not have to type --nostdlib? Feb 25 23:20:57 <_av500_> emeb: thx Feb 25 23:21:23 <_av500_> mdp: did you see the "os" the google has for the ec on chromebook? Feb 25 23:21:39 <_av500_> runs on lm4 and stm32 Feb 25 23:22:38 linky? Feb 25 23:22:51 <_av500_> https://gerrit.chromium.org/gerrit/gitweb?p=chromiumos/platform/ec.git;a=summary Feb 25 23:45:08 interesting Feb 25 23:46:11 the driver part looks nice and simple, I like it Feb 25 23:47:00 just a bit purpose built for their use case, of course Feb 25 23:47:22 e.g. pwm kbd and fan functions Feb 25 23:49:40 easy to ignore if you don't need 'em. Feb 25 23:49:47 right Feb 25 23:50:13 skimming through gpio, i2c, and spi look like nice tight driver apis on the low level bits Feb 25 23:51:11 certainly no shortage of executives/OSes these days ;) Feb 25 23:54:21 what's "ec" stand for again? Feb 25 23:55:40 emeb: linky-poo is the correct term Feb 25 23:56:48 mranostay: I'll bear that in mind for next time. Feb 25 23:57:54 <_av500_> emeb: ec = embedded controller Feb 26 00:00:56 controlling what? Feb 26 00:01:05 <_av500_> the chromebook Feb 26 00:01:08 everything that's not controlled by the AP? Feb 26 00:11:12 linux gives it some policy through that api..and it executes the policy Feb 26 00:29:20 mranostay, koen: have either of you tried pinmux-helper yet? Feb 26 00:29:34 I'm having difficulty creating the right DT overlay. Feb 26 00:30:38 just fix it in the silicon...don't need no stinkin mux ;) Feb 26 00:38:33 koenkooi: ping Feb 26 00:38:38 koenkooi: still at the office? Feb 26 00:38:39 jkridner_: -ENOTIME Feb 26 01:07:25 hmm, seems typography trolling is not popular today... Feb 26 01:08:16 mru: sans typography trolling Feb 26 01:08:53 does anyone even see why that sign is funny? Feb 26 01:11:24 which? Feb 26 01:11:34 the one I posted on g+ a while ago Feb 26 01:15:36 mru: the bay one? Feb 26 01:15:51 yes, not the restaurant one Feb 26 01:15:57 that one was trolled plenty Feb 26 01:19:40 morning Feb 26 01:19:49 moaning Feb 26 01:19:59 yes...always. Feb 26 01:20:56 ka6sox: long time no see Feb 26 01:21:14 hiya mranostay Feb 26 01:21:17 indeed Feb 26 01:23:29 I am done with conferences....for a LONG while... Feb 26 01:23:59 you don't like 'em? Feb 26 01:24:26 i wish my job was just going to conferences Feb 26 01:24:43 mru, how much rubber chicken can you stand? Feb 26 01:25:04 you don't have to eat the provided food Feb 26 01:25:38 mru, true Feb 26 01:26:23 140 photos discarded, 203 to go... Feb 26 01:26:40 ka6sox: beer helps Feb 26 01:26:47 lots of it Feb 26 01:26:55 true Feb 26 01:27:12 but not so much that you can't get up in the morning Feb 26 01:27:22 it's a fine line Feb 26 01:27:41 a good place to draw it is where the bar closes Feb 26 01:27:54 well in CA that isn't a issue.. Feb 26 01:28:07 it was more of one in brussels Feb 26 01:28:18 7a? Feb 26 01:28:28 5a is common Feb 26 01:28:56 first session of the day must have had nobody in it Feb 26 01:29:05 they start late Feb 26 01:30:26 went to a talk on uefi...news isn't good for non-x86 :P Feb 26 01:30:39 nor for x86 Feb 26 01:30:58 good thing I bought a new laptop in december Feb 26 01:31:11 this one should last a while Feb 26 01:32:58 hmmm maybe i should get a new one next year Feb 26 01:41:42 * mdp wonders if uefi/acpi can help dt overlays Feb 26 01:42:41 apparently Linus used the word "Dick Sucking" wrt to UEFI Feb 26 01:43:12 seems appropriate Feb 26 01:44:13 heh Feb 26 01:44:34 Crofton: contest? Feb 26 01:45:21 Crofton: a contest, in fact Feb 26 01:46:08 torvalds must have his eff you money :) Feb 26 01:46:22 I do look forward to the Intel solution for the hw use case that resulted in capebus Feb 26 01:47:55 mranostay: are you planning a GeigerLure yet? Feb 26 01:48:24 heh right Feb 26 01:48:32 mdp: GeigerLure? that sounds like you need a prescription for a cream to get rid of that Feb 26 01:48:58 prpplague: indeed Feb 26 01:49:18 mdp: a little different market for the Minnow+Lure group Feb 26 01:49:30 mdp: i don't see a geiger lure in the near future Feb 26 01:49:36 whu??? Feb 26 01:50:32 prpplague: having to work on a x86 platform... every look back wondering what deity you pissed off? :) Feb 26 01:50:44 we can't conceive of boards to fulfill different use cases Feb 26 01:51:07 I mean...you have xbmc and is there anything else? Feb 26 01:51:24 mranostay: hehe, not really, since i get to generally do what i love Feb 26 01:51:33 i love money that count? :) Feb 26 01:51:41 mranostay: indeed Feb 26 01:52:13 mdp: i am sure people will create some different ones, just don;t see a geiger one being right up there Feb 26 01:52:35 who's the target market for the minnow? Feb 26 01:53:26 probably people that love java :P Feb 26 01:55:14 mru: traditionally those groups who have been using cots x86 motherboards for everything that they weren't designed to do Feb 26 01:56:09 prpplague: me and mru were talking to clint and he seemed excited about it Feb 26 01:57:11 mdp: only 4 gpios iirc Feb 26 01:57:35 guess i could bitbang SPI with that :P Feb 26 01:57:43 bitbang an expander Feb 26 01:57:54 mru: hack hack hack Feb 26 01:59:23 mranostay: 4 buffered GPIO's on a header Feb 26 01:59:36 mranostay: the rest of the i/o is on the 2x50 header Feb 26 02:00:12 mranostay: trying to findout the mindset for the small gpio header Feb 26 02:01:57 mdp: ironically xbmc builds for arm fine, but x86 is a %*(#$*(#%# Feb 26 02:02:22 koenkooi: you still at the officE? Feb 26 02:02:30 * mranostay hands koenkooi some brewed canal water Feb 26 02:04:11 mranostay: I did notice the number of gpios..but as mru points out, I feel you were sleeping in prpplague's session Feb 26 02:04:30 hehe Feb 26 02:06:05 those 4 gpios are begging to be bitbanged...embrace the urge Feb 26 02:06:20 * prpplague reports mdp to HR Feb 26 02:06:41 plus it's x86 so prpplague says it wants to be abused Feb 26 02:07:46 prpplague: they were asking for it Feb 26 02:08:47 if they don't wanted to be bitbanged they shouldn't dress like gpios IMHO Feb 26 02:09:10 +1 Feb 26 02:10:35 prpplague: no, back from the found & hound Feb 26 02:10:39 ...flaunting their ability to wiggle at high frequencies! Feb 26 02:11:35 bartender claims that guinness has 6% alcohol Feb 26 02:11:46 sounds a bit high Feb 26 02:11:54 so, again, texans and beer knowledge don't go together Feb 26 02:12:31 4.2% is the actual value Feb 26 02:12:41 that I can believe Feb 26 02:12:47 I also learned there is such a thing as "bud light platinum" Feb 26 02:12:51 koenkooi: math too :) Feb 26 02:12:57 oh dear Feb 26 02:13:02 koenkooi: triple filtered :P Feb 26 02:13:15 to remove all trace of flavour? Feb 26 02:13:33 dunno, I stuck to guinness Feb 26 02:13:46 which they poured with only co2 Feb 26 02:13:56 and didn't bother with the shamrock in the head Feb 26 02:14:42 koenkooi: can you get PBR in the EU? Feb 26 02:15:33 mranostay: I bet I can import it Feb 26 02:15:45 mranostay: but we can get schultenbrau at the local aldi Feb 26 02:16:08 it will probably have horse meat in it, but what do you expect from german discount supermarkets? Feb 26 02:19:48 mmmm horse Feb 26 02:20:10 koenkooi: we have a "US" version that is 6%, it's actually brewed in new york iirc Feb 26 02:24:09 how about horse beer? Feb 26 02:24:57 that sounds pretty good...is it also triple filtered? Feb 26 02:25:22 i am not going to ask what they use instead of hops Feb 26 02:26:31 hmmm hemp beer Feb 26 02:39:02 * mranostay needs a "Let me drop everything and work on your problem" shirt Feb 26 02:48:12 koenkooi: so no BIOS crap on this board right? Feb 26 02:49:49 BIOS is your friend. You like the BIOS. Feb 26 02:49:58 * mranostay covers davest's ears Feb 26 02:50:16 ds2: really now? Feb 26 02:50:43 of course. we are all friends with int 0x10 Feb 26 02:51:34 mranostay: :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 26 02:59:58 2013