**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 28 02:59:58 2013 Feb 28 03:00:18 https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLinuxFoundation Feb 28 03:00:40 thanks Feb 28 03:01:17 none of the ones I was really looking for are up yet Feb 28 03:02:31 who the hell is puchenyaka Feb 28 03:03:59 Russ: omg! did they get me while i was drinking and telling Kevin and Chase my $0.02 about omap? Feb 28 03:04:24 that's the video I was waiting for! Feb 28 03:04:27 NOT UP YET! Feb 28 03:05:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCfuptSMYss&t=15m35s I liked the other side better Feb 28 03:06:41 er, the other slide Feb 28 03:06:44 hopefully that makes more sense Feb 28 03:07:32 https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/AyRnz2REq8C Feb 28 03:48:52 does anyone know how to quickly replicate SD-Cards? Feb 28 03:51:05 mrpackethead: two USB 3.0 card readers && dd ? Feb 28 03:51:47 do you have a makerbot? Feb 28 03:52:13 yes i do have a dual head replicator.. Feb 28 03:52:22 it does'tn squirt bits very well Feb 28 03:59:01 mrpackethead, can't you use thaht? Feb 28 04:02:58 only in #makebelieve Feb 28 04:03:22 *whew* my bbb isn't dead Feb 28 04:03:34 solder on CTI header was loose Feb 28 04:08:15 bbb? grrr. everyones got one Feb 28 04:08:29 except the guy who wanting to buy 1500 units from them Feb 28 04:09:24 heh same board only useless crap dropped off :) Feb 28 04:09:54 i guess that was your prize for turning up at ELC Feb 28 04:10:13 koenkooi: sould you emmc image work off a SD card? Feb 28 04:10:34 can you boot from the 2GB memeory? Feb 28 04:10:39 or is it still SD Card? Feb 28 04:10:43 yeah Feb 28 04:10:47 either Feb 28 04:10:49 thats a bonus Feb 28 04:10:56 yeah Feb 28 04:11:03 2GB is a useful amount of space Feb 28 04:11:39 more than enough for anything that isn't multimedia Feb 28 04:11:58 put if you are doing multimedia on SD/eMMC you are insane :) Feb 28 04:12:01 mranostay: yes Feb 28 04:12:19 mranostay: but there's another image in that same directory that is for a full size uSD card Feb 28 04:12:29 ah cool Feb 28 04:12:59 i think u-boot is hanging on this rev A1 with the hack even Feb 28 04:13:01 http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.02.26.img.xz Feb 28 04:13:14 need to use a max232 here Feb 28 04:13:19 use the hack, then write eeprom from uboot Feb 28 04:13:27 (ground the TP to get write access) Feb 28 04:13:59 i wish my max3232 samples would get here Feb 28 04:21:39 cheapskate Feb 28 04:21:47 guilty Feb 28 04:25:20 free dev boards are a totally different matter Feb 28 04:25:26 heh Feb 28 04:25:56 if i'm doing an order to Mouser i'll buy them.. but a few ICs is too expensive :) Feb 28 04:26:18 i'm going to be sad if they ever turn off my student email Feb 28 04:26:31 hehe Feb 28 04:26:43 mine still work too Feb 28 04:27:04 at least some of them Feb 28 04:27:31 haven't tried them all recently Feb 28 04:27:37 heh never had a call asking why my shipping address and college are in two different states :) Feb 28 04:28:10 hell, I can't remember them all Feb 28 04:29:11 koenkooi: you running this server over a DSL line? :) Feb 28 04:29:22 he is Feb 28 04:29:51 does it still hate tcp ecn? Feb 28 04:31:25 or can I finally drop that iptables rule from the firewall? Feb 28 04:32:25 mru: I ditched the ISP modem, it's a normal linux box now, so it should do ECN Feb 28 04:32:46 mranostay: 100Mbit line, but it seems the connection to the US is being limited Feb 28 04:32:56 mranostay: my VPN speeds suck right now :) Feb 28 04:33:08 who uses isp modems? Feb 28 04:36:57 russ: I forwarded your email, you should get a reply soon Feb 28 04:37:07 koenkooi: if not, keep harassing me :) Feb 28 04:37:32 koenkooi: talking to yourself? Feb 28 04:37:33 talking to yourself again? Feb 28 04:37:46 gah Feb 28 04:37:50 tab fail Feb 28 04:37:56 * koenkooi still isn't used to xchat Feb 28 04:38:07 been to bone daddy's? :P Feb 28 04:38:19 not yet Feb 28 04:38:28 be a man and use irssi Feb 28 04:38:44 thanks Feb 28 04:38:53 that's what I have running in a screen, but I"m trying to do the "linux on the desktop" thing Feb 28 04:39:13 mru: +1 Feb 28 04:39:29 i bet koenkooi does vnc + xterm too :P Feb 28 04:39:33 isn't that just a pile of xterms? Feb 28 04:39:47 blech, vnc Feb 28 04:41:39 so, the bbb was missing? Feb 28 04:41:40 what Feb 28 04:41:53 not so muc missing but what crap got delewted Feb 28 04:42:38 <_av500_> yarn Feb 28 04:44:39 mrpackethead: FTDI chip and PMIC header for one Feb 28 04:45:10 what did anyone use the FTDI for anyway? Feb 28 04:45:34 i certainly didn't Feb 28 04:45:34 good riddance on the ftdi Feb 28 04:45:43 which way was it connected? Feb 28 04:45:56 the annoying way Feb 28 04:45:58 Serial conencted to the CPU Feb 28 04:46:10 and crappy jtag Feb 28 04:46:10 or Serial connected to the outsde world? Feb 28 04:46:31 * mranostay never used the FTDI jtag Feb 28 04:47:04 * _av500_ wonders if FTDI triggers mru as does NAND for ds2 Feb 28 04:47:42 heh Feb 28 04:47:48 _av500_: wtf are you doing up at this hour? Feb 28 04:48:29 <_av500_> and you? Feb 28 04:48:47 <_av500_> going to EW today... Feb 28 04:48:59 EW? Feb 28 04:49:20 I don't have wife and kids, no need to feign being normal Feb 28 04:50:23 <_av500_> embedded world Feb 28 04:50:56 normal is so overrated Feb 28 05:21:36 _av500_: say hi to esra if you see him :) Feb 28 05:29:06 _av500_ : it triggers me Feb 28 05:29:28 I really don't like FTDI parts Feb 28 06:02:44 who does? Feb 28 06:18:48 FTDI does. Feb 28 07:31:07 _av500_: when you stop by by our companies booth, say hi to the guys :) Feb 28 07:32:39 _av500_: troll his booth! Feb 28 07:51:01 mranostay: that's the idea :) Feb 28 07:51:51 _av500_: hall 2, booth 328 :-) Feb 28 08:43:14 morning cheese Feb 28 08:47:43 mooo Feb 28 08:52:54 moo ? Feb 28 09:20:49 apt-get moo Feb 28 09:41:21 moaning Feb 28 09:44:19 grüezi herr mru Feb 28 09:44:30 you dont sleep much, do you? Feb 28 09:49:51 trolls don't sleep Feb 28 09:50:29 well.. trolls could always sleep troll Feb 28 09:52:29 now you will never sleep http://bombermine.com/#/play Feb 28 09:53:53 oh... kay... Feb 28 10:05:24 mru, do you knos much about the PRU stuff Feb 28 10:07:22 mrpackethead: mru is our neon guy... especially neon green Feb 28 10:07:43 KotH: is your name mru? Feb 28 10:07:44 soylent-neon-green? Feb 28 10:16:19 dm8tbr: SOYLENT-NEON-GREEN IS MRU! Feb 28 10:20:52 anybody tried openocd with latest 3.8 kernel? Feb 28 10:23:00 afenkart: tried what? running openocd on a host running 3.8? or trying to debug a system running 3.8? Feb 28 10:23:44 system running 3.8, it works fine as long system runs 3.2.18+ but after booting 3.8 I can't stop target. Feb 28 10:24:10 * KotH has not tried that yet Feb 28 12:17:16 troll troll troll Feb 28 12:21:05 you can't troll around here! **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 28 12:27:15 2013 Feb 28 14:09:21 hey, it's friday in new zealand... Feb 28 14:09:26 that's good enough for me Feb 28 14:27:30 wheeeee Feb 28 14:27:32 red shirt day Feb 28 14:27:40 * prpplague is off to TI one last time Feb 28 14:33:38 Display Class API: ERROR unsupported pixel format! Feb 28 14:33:51 Any idea which pixel formats are supported for AM3517? Feb 28 14:40:54 those listed in the trm Feb 28 14:44:19 Are there any way to set the bpp/color depth in the drivers/video/omap2/displays/panel-*.c definitions? Feb 28 14:50:23 Where is the default color depth set when using "omapdss.def_disp=" kernel parameter? Feb 28 15:19:58 morning Feb 28 15:20:22 hi Feb 28 15:20:23 moaning Feb 28 15:20:39 * KotH hands mru a cup of earl grey Feb 28 15:21:02 if anyone tells me that DT is "easier" I will shoot them. Feb 28 15:21:25 dt is the future! Feb 28 15:22:03 Where is my Hydrogen Powered Flying Car please... Feb 28 15:22:27 waiting for you are your friendly future car dealer Feb 28 15:24:02 heh Feb 28 15:24:10 been waiting 40+yrs for that one :P Feb 28 15:25:45 and i guess you will wait for another 40+ years as long as you have TV stations that tell you that solar power is infeasible in the states ;) Feb 28 15:25:51 ka6sox: You have seen how the typical driver handles two dimensions--do you really want to deal with traffic and idiocy in three? Feb 28 15:26:16 agmlego, true Feb 28 15:26:20 why stop at three? Feb 28 15:26:31 I was amazed to see how well the google self driving car did in traffic last week. Feb 28 15:27:55 ka6sox: This is because machines are better at that kind of thing than humans. Feb 28 15:27:56 ;-P Feb 28 15:28:17 it's the rise of the machines! run for the hills! Feb 28 15:28:55 agmlego, yes, they don't get distracted by Cellphones or Johnny spilling his juice all over his sister. Feb 28 15:29:20 I, for one, welcome our self-driving automotive overloards. Feb 28 15:29:58 mru, my wife wants to be the first to have one of them when they are "commercial"...her current "car" is 2 wheels and has "pedals" Feb 28 15:30:22 pedals are good, I have 6 of them Feb 28 15:30:23 a bike works very well in a city Feb 28 15:30:41 I'm usually faster than car traffic on one Feb 28 15:30:43 mru, ours has Hills....lots of them. Feb 28 15:30:59 saves on the gym fees Feb 28 15:31:06 ka6sox: thats what the Dutch say too :-D Feb 28 15:31:31 the "Y" is across from us....we never have to go...she does at least 10km/day Feb 28 15:31:47 see Feb 28 15:31:52 XorA, heh... Feb 28 15:32:28 ka6sox: the "Y"? Feb 28 15:32:51 KotH, YMCA Feb 28 15:34:27 ka6sox: and what is YMCA for people who do not live in the states? (yes, i've read the wikipedia entry) Feb 28 15:35:14 an exercise place. Feb 28 15:35:21 (partly) Feb 28 15:36:47 moving @ 100kph, chatting on IRC and reading TRMs...too bad this "car" is 40k kgs Feb 28 15:37:30 that's called "tons" :) Feb 28 15:37:50 the time of milimicroseconds and kilomegacycles are over ;) Feb 28 15:38:22 then its 20 tonnes Feb 28 15:38:45 non-metric tonnes? Feb 28 15:38:50 yes Feb 28 15:38:54 well... Feb 28 15:38:57 not really Feb 28 15:39:02 I gave you the Tare Feb 28 15:39:07 ka6sox: megagrams, then. Feb 28 15:39:15 Weight they had marked on the side Feb 28 15:40:04 in .ch you'd need a special permit for such a "car" Feb 28 15:40:27 this one acts like its on "rails" Feb 28 15:40:35 oh.. Feb 28 15:40:37 well.. :) Feb 28 15:40:57 then it's a rather slow "car" ;) Feb 28 15:41:19 they rarely get over 110kph Feb 28 15:41:26 wtf? Feb 28 15:41:32 0_o Feb 28 15:41:32 and yes they are "slow" Feb 28 15:41:33 even british trains are faster than that Feb 28 15:41:43 even swiss mountain trains are faster than that Feb 28 15:41:43 mru, yes, we know. Feb 28 15:41:52 160kph is fairly normal here Feb 28 15:41:54 KotH, yes, we know. Feb 28 15:42:05 KotH: going up or down? Feb 28 15:42:06 ka6sox: still using a steam engine? Feb 28 15:42:10 living in a Foghat song. "Slow ride - take it easy" Feb 28 15:42:12 mru: flat Feb 28 15:42:31 mru: uphil depends on the steepnes, but 60-80 is normal even in steep regions Feb 28 15:42:36 KotH, ya..a 4-4-2 Feb 28 15:43:11 I'm still going faster than the freeway next to me! Feb 28 15:43:47 * mru points at autobahn Feb 28 15:44:03 * KotH point at the NSDAP inciative to autobahn the world Feb 28 15:44:23 again, we are behind :P Feb 28 15:44:45 by 70+ years :) Feb 28 15:45:09 KotH, true. Feb 28 15:45:18 if nothing else, at least they do behindness properly Feb 28 15:45:23 juup Feb 28 15:45:34 KotH, however I still enjoy this instead of driving down. Feb 28 15:45:40 ka6sox: weird thing is, if you need any high tech devices from the surplus marked, the us is the place to go Feb 28 15:45:50 market* Feb 28 15:46:01 mmmmm...strawberries... Feb 28 15:46:06 ka6sox: getting here a used oscilloscope is nearly as expensive as buying a new one Feb 28 15:46:22 you don't have ebay? Feb 28 15:46:22 KotH, oh...I'll bet Feb 28 15:46:50 mru: shipping a 10y old monster costs more then the scope itself Feb 28 15:47:24 mru: it's cheaper to fly to NY w/o luggage, get one of those scopes and fly back with it Feb 28 15:47:42 Are there any way to set bpp in bootargs? Feb 28 15:47:46 KotH, surely you Jest? Feb 28 15:47:49 I have a ~35y old monster scope at my mom's house Feb 28 15:47:52 ka6sox: no i'm not Feb 28 15:47:59 still haven't figured a way to get it safely Feb 28 15:48:01 ka6sox: i looked into that stuff when i wanted to buy one Feb 28 15:48:03 it's a pretty good scope Feb 28 15:48:05 ka6sox: decided against it Feb 28 15:48:12 150MHz dual-trace Feb 28 15:48:29 mru: i have a 50MHz two channel tec at home... Feb 28 15:48:39 mru: but i'd like to have something more modern... like a 200MHz DSO Feb 28 15:49:08 those cheapo analogue ones suck Feb 28 15:49:26 it's definitly not a cheap one... or at least it wasnt when first sold ;) Feb 28 15:49:33 I guess I need to get with the programme and retire my Tek 530 Feb 28 15:49:37 ah.. you mean the 200MHz DSO Feb 28 15:49:41 nah.. they arent that bad Feb 28 15:49:47 50MHz smells of cheap Feb 28 15:49:51 unless it's from the 60s Feb 28 15:49:57 prolly 80s Feb 28 15:50:41 joel_, koenkooi which version of 3.2.X did you have ALSA working right with? Feb 28 15:51:54 ka6sox: have a look at the MSO4104B-6 :-) Feb 28 15:52:51 got a spare 10K EUR? Feb 28 15:53:01 10keur? Feb 28 15:53:08 rather like 25k :) Feb 28 15:53:15 for certain values of spare, sure Feb 28 15:53:33 ka6sox: notice the -6 Feb 28 15:53:45 ka6sox: it denotes the "additional 6GHz RF input" option :) Feb 28 15:54:25 KotH, usually when I look that high I'm using a SA Feb 28 15:54:31 SA? Feb 28 15:54:42 ah.. Feb 28 15:54:45 Spectrum Analzyer Feb 28 15:54:51 well.. depends on what kind of signals you hav Feb 28 15:55:06 mine usually are being "emitted" Feb 28 15:55:10 ka6sox: btw: have you any experience with avalance photodiodes? Feb 28 15:55:21 ka6sox: audio never worked for me Feb 28 15:55:27 ka6sox: over hdmi that is Feb 28 15:55:43 KotH, nope...sorry Feb 28 15:55:59 koenkooi, okay...so I am not crazy(well..thats debatable) Feb 28 15:56:13 Feb 28 15:56:36 meh... Feb 28 15:56:47 * KotH needs some serious analog guys help Feb 28 15:57:07 unfortunately, they are an nearly extinct species Feb 28 15:57:17 wb prpplague Feb 28 15:57:41 KotH, we used Impatt and Avalance Diodes (non photo) for getting to 6Ghz earlier in my career. Feb 28 15:57:47 prpplague: is the expedition to the unknown planed with it's unknown life forms over? Feb 28 15:58:23 ka6sox: hmm... Feb 28 15:58:42 ka6sox: any experiences with the generation of sub-ns pulses with high repetition rate? Feb 28 15:59:10 KotH: not that i am aware Feb 28 15:59:18 KotH: bold going where i haven't been before Feb 28 15:59:24 KotH: last day at TI Feb 28 15:59:29 prpplague: i thought you had a red shirt day? Feb 28 15:59:52 KotH: yes, my job is being killed Feb 28 15:59:57 KotH: last day Feb 28 16:00:09 * KotH hands prpplague a phaser Feb 28 16:00:13 for self defense ;) Feb 28 16:00:24 KotH, we only did sub-uS pulses with semi-high repetition rates...depending on the Target we wished to shoot down... Feb 28 16:01:21 ka6sox: hmm... i get to easily to 30ns with modern logic and a couple of cheap bjt... but i need to go below that Feb 28 16:02:07 I can send you a couple of 2N3904's in an envelope if you want... Feb 28 16:02:26 and a few 1N34's Feb 28 16:02:56 components are not the problem, digikey&mouser&co exists Feb 28 16:03:10 the problem is more how do i design a circuit to get into that region Feb 28 16:03:21 oh...stripline Feb 28 16:03:28 hmm? Feb 28 16:03:34 how does stripline help there? Feb 28 16:04:57 when I started out we used Valves... Feb 28 16:05:05 "empty state technology" Feb 28 16:05:29 KotH, what are you designing (if you can say)? Feb 28 16:05:48 probably some kind of weapon Feb 28 16:06:01 ka6sox: rubidium based frequency normal based on coherent population trapping ;) Feb 28 16:06:23 "swiss madman builds phaser from off-the-shelf parts" Feb 28 16:06:52 ka6sox: basically: two lasers shot into a rubidium vapor cell with an offset of 6.9GHz to each other and a photodiode to detect the absorption Feb 28 16:07:03 Amtrak considers a 120mm pipecutter a "Weapon" Feb 28 16:07:05 ka6sox: the problem is to get to the 6.9GHz offset Feb 28 16:07:55 when the tsa people asked if I had anything dangerous in my bag, I said "does dirty underwear count?" Feb 28 16:07:58 KotH, you are going to "tune" the lasers with what? Feb 28 16:08:31 mru, and you weren't separated out for "special treatment"? Feb 28 16:08:44 that had already happened Feb 28 16:09:17 I don't remember if it was before or after they detected explosives Feb 28 16:09:27 ka6sox: currently i see 3 ways to do that: 1) modulation of a VCSEL with 3GHz (problem: doesnt work well together with an external cavity), 2) detection of the beat frequency of two lasers with an avalanche photodiode (problem: i cannot find any diode specified for that signal frequency range around 780nm) or 3) use a third, pulsed laser and the non linear effect of two photon absorbtion in a laser diode to get a correlation between the pulse train and Feb 28 16:10:21 morning friends, trolls, and the overlap on the venn diagram Feb 28 16:10:35 you have non-troll friends? Feb 28 16:10:41 greetings friendly guy with the giger counter Feb 28 16:10:49 geiger* Feb 28 16:11:25 KotH, Kerr Cell mixing? Feb 28 16:11:53 or is that too slow? Feb 28 16:11:54 ka6sox: where would i get my hands on a kerr cell? Feb 28 16:11:55 one alien hahaha, two alien hahaha, three alien hahaha Feb 28 16:12:10 KotH: since you're not on g+ I guess you missed my tsa story... Feb 28 16:12:20 mru: i missed it :) Feb 28 16:12:33 ka6sox: but EOM are supposed to get into that frequency range Feb 28 16:12:57 ka6sox: but these are so horribly expensive i could buy myself a cs beam frequency standard for that money Feb 28 16:13:01 KotH: I got pulled over for a random check during which they "detected" traces of explosives Feb 28 16:13:08 mru: what? Feb 28 16:13:22 took me quite by surprise Feb 28 16:13:34 so they did a _very_ thorough search of my bags Feb 28 16:13:36 mru: let me guess, you had still bits of swiss chocolate on your bag? Feb 28 16:13:59 by thorough I mean they removed the credit cards from my wallet Feb 28 16:14:06 ouch Feb 28 16:14:19 they put it all back just like it was though Feb 28 16:14:43 KotH: does a giger counter count the giggities of glenn quagmire? Feb 28 16:14:57 then they did a second patdown, slightly more thorough than the first Feb 28 16:15:01 then they let me go Feb 28 16:15:32 jackmitchell: that happens when a german speaking guy writes too much english all day long :) Feb 28 16:15:41 mru: eh... Feb 28 16:15:52 mru: isnt the tsa a very nice organization? Feb 28 16:16:05 these ones were quite friendly Feb 28 16:16:16 modulo the credit cards Feb 28 16:16:17 KotH, you havent' been here have you... Feb 28 16:16:26 ka6sox: i stay away from the us Feb 28 16:16:32 KotH: that wasn't unfriendly Feb 28 16:16:35 just thorough Feb 28 16:16:39 she put them back Feb 28 16:16:42 in the right order Feb 28 16:16:43 okay Gents (and trolls)...about to go underground for a bit. Feb 28 16:16:44 ah.. Feb 28 16:16:49 mru: thought they took them.. Feb 28 16:17:03 ka6sox: going trough hell? ;) Feb 28 16:17:05 that would've been rude Feb 28 16:17:25 no, just thru the mountains Feb 28 16:17:41 (and you thought only the Swiss could do that....) Feb 28 16:17:53 ka6sox: no, the swiss just do it a lot more then other people Feb 28 16:18:07 KotH, true... Feb 28 16:18:08 and the norwegians Feb 28 16:18:37 ka6sox: i still wish they'd build the swissmetro Feb 28 16:18:53 ka6sox: a county wide high speed railway system, completely underground Feb 28 16:18:58 country* Feb 28 16:19:20 ka6sox: i guess you have no idea for my laser problem ? Feb 28 16:19:52 KotH, I am not a Laser Guy...RF Guy...yes... Feb 28 16:19:58 root@beaglebone:~# uname -a Feb 28 16:19:59 Linux beaglebone 3.8.1 #136 SMP Thu Feb 28 17:01:01 CET 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux Feb 28 16:20:22 koenkooi, but with NO audio right? Feb 28 16:20:30 ka6sox: the problem is RF not laser :) Feb 28 16:20:41 ka6sox: audio should work on the dvi+audio cape Feb 28 16:20:47 ka6sox: the laser part is well documented Feb 28 16:20:59 koenkooi, then where do I get one? Feb 28 16:21:24 ka6sox: just an idea for sub-ns pulses with a >100MHz repetition rate would be enough :) Feb 28 16:21:46 KotH, perhaps when I get to the other side. Feb 28 16:22:25 ka6sox: the audio setup between dvi+audio and the voldemort bone is very different Feb 28 16:22:30 ka6sox: ok Feb 28 16:22:51 ah...okay Feb 28 16:23:09 mcasp isn't very friendly. Feb 28 16:23:38 ka6sox: my current idea is to use a fmmt415 avalanche transistor. but the specs for it are rather slimm. so i would need to build a test circuit. unfortunately, i dont have the equipment to supply it with teh 200V it needs, i'd have to build that as well Feb 28 16:24:10 the Kerr cell needs 30kV Feb 28 16:24:21 oh.. kay... Feb 28 16:24:22 bbiaw Feb 28 16:24:25 have fun Feb 28 16:24:29 ka6sox: I wouldn't expect an interface named after a happy meal to work Feb 28 16:24:53 koenkooi, its a Scottish Snake. Feb 28 16:24:55 koenkooi: still using old ultrasparcs? :) Feb 28 16:25:03 Sorry....Irish. Feb 28 16:25:13 I had a sunhme ethernet card once Feb 28 16:25:16 worked like a charm Feb 28 16:25:27 sun hardware wasnt bad Feb 28 16:25:42 This is like Thomas the Tank Engine... Feb 28 16:26:06 afraid of going into a tunnel? Feb 28 16:26:14 wish me LUck! Feb 28 16:26:26 there's no such thing as luck Feb 28 16:26:35 only probability! Feb 28 16:26:39 KotH: no, I got rid of them, so no happy meal eth for me Feb 28 16:26:41 things happen, or they don't Feb 28 16:27:14 koenkooi: please don't say that name! Feb 28 16:27:36 mdp: huh? Feb 28 16:28:26 ka6sox: indeed, the dvi+audio setup is pretty trivial and the SoS as has been riding around on various EVMs with aic codecs for years..so it is a no-brainer at least Feb 28 16:28:53 mru, V* bone comment above Feb 28 16:29:08 mru: you mean like the guy who sued CERN for endangering the world, who when asked for the probability of creating a black hole at CERN is answered: "50%, it either happens or does not" Feb 28 16:29:58 mdp, okay so not fair comparison Feb 28 16:30:24 KotH: if you do X, Y happens Feb 28 16:30:43 Y may not always be known, but there is no such thing as 'luck' involved in determining it Feb 28 16:30:46 mru, oh....so you are a cause/effect man...got it. Feb 28 16:31:07 did you ever see one without the other? Feb 28 16:31:18 okay on the Set of ST:Insurrection. Feb 28 16:31:20 ka6sox: yeah, analog pb/cap on 2 channels is about is trivial as it gets on that cape..and most evms Feb 28 16:31:27 mru: well.. applying quatum physics, there is indeed luck... or at least probabilities for something to happen or not Feb 28 16:31:40 probability != luck Feb 28 16:32:08 luck is just a more poetic word for probability Feb 28 16:32:30 speaking of luck _after_ an event is just ridiculous Feb 28 16:32:37 Schroedinger's Cat is *still* dead. Feb 28 16:32:53 survived being underground Feb 28 16:33:11 must be a troll Feb 28 16:34:44 koenkooi, when you say the TDA is in "pcm mode" you mean iis instead of SPDIF? Feb 28 16:37:05 mru, trying to be a "little" on topic... Feb 28 16:37:15 oh...you mean surviving being underground...got it...(need more coffee) Feb 28 16:40:04 coffee, good idea Feb 28 16:40:17 * KotH goes home to contemplate more on his problem how to build a phaser from off-the-shelf components Feb 28 16:40:46 you have such easy problems... Feb 28 16:41:57 yeah.. i always get the easy stuff Feb 28 16:47:13 KotH, enjoy working with Class 1 weapons. Feb 28 16:48:12 damned...thought that the G-IV was going to land on *top* of us... Feb 28 16:53:02 ALSA_DEBUG is set Feb 28 16:53:07