**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 05 02:59:58 2013 Mar 05 03:10:36 on topic question Mar 05 03:12:31 has anyone had issues with the ethernet gadget at boottime. Mar 05 03:12:48 im just buidlign from scratch a new system Mar 05 03:13:00 mranostay, http://dx.com/p/30w-3500lm-3050k-square-led-white-light-module-33-35v-185979 Mar 05 03:13:01 if the ethernet gagdet is not connected Mar 05 03:13:06 it wont' boot. Mar 05 03:14:21 what is color temperature? Mar 05 03:15:05 ask mru Mar 05 03:15:47 leds.. theres a topic i can feel like i know soemrhign about. Mar 05 03:15:50 mranostay: never studied thermodynamics? Mar 05 03:16:25 mranostay: the higher the colour temp, the more 'blue' it will look Mar 05 03:16:31 the lower, it will look more 'warm' Mar 05 03:16:36 thanks Mar 05 03:16:46 finding a data sheet is a bitch Mar 05 03:17:00 a warm white is about 2500-4000k, cool whites will be 5000-7000 Mar 05 03:17:37 its the colour emitted from a 'perfect' black body emitter when heated to that temperture Mar 05 03:17:38 TIL Mar 05 03:17:41 mranostay: 'white' at a given colour temp looks like black-body radiation at that temperature Mar 05 03:17:59 mru: snap Mar 05 03:18:00 thermodynamics Mar 05 03:18:24 fyi, you can generally get more lumens/W with higher colour temps Mar 05 03:18:33 due to the physics of the led. Mar 05 03:20:10 http://www.phoshine.com/productview.asp?id=54 Mar 05 03:20:27 what you building Crofton? Mar 05 03:20:39 I am jsut playing with a big led Mar 05 03:20:49 ahh Mar 05 03:20:56 iv'e got some big Leds from Cree Mar 05 03:21:11 the ones they are building street lights with. Mar 05 03:21:25 and you really need to heat sink them Mar 05 03:21:29 or your in the pooh! Mar 05 03:22:45 Has anyone had any luck accessing the user button on the xM? Mar 05 03:23:29 When I try this: "echo 4 > /sys/class/gpio/export", I get this: "bash: echo: write error: Device or resource busy"... Mar 05 03:23:35 (As Root) Mar 05 03:23:57 RPisces: most likely there is another device driver using the GPIO Mar 05 03:24:27 Exactly. But I don't know what is, or how to find out what is so I can release it for user use... Mar 05 03:24:46 RPisces: where did you get the kernel you are using? Mar 05 03:25:52 well, theres a find ( or not ) Mar 05 03:26:00 From here (pre-built): http://www.brianhensley.net/2013/01/beagleboard-xm-how-to-install-ubuntu.html Mar 05 03:26:05 theres 5 rapsberry PI's here. Mar 05 03:26:06 :-( Mar 05 03:27:00 RPisces: so, you got a third party kernel and rootfs designed for end users, fancy to say, they most likely have a gpio button driver enabled for that button, as that is what it is intended to do Mar 05 03:27:35 RPisces: what is it you are trying to accomplish? Mar 05 03:28:32 I thought so. I'm new to Linux so I started off easy. I want to create some sort of script that safely powers down the BB when the button is pressed Mar 05 03:28:59 I researched it and am well aware how to accomplish this; the problem is the driver accessing the button... Mar 05 03:30:05 I want to buy Beagleboard Mar 05 03:30:19 phungpham: visit pandaboard.org and click the buy now Mar 05 03:30:39 I try to buy it from Mouser Mar 05 03:31:02 But US request to make the export license Mar 05 03:31:15 Mouser can not make license Mar 05 03:31:17 RPisces: the button is already mapped with ubuntu, you just need to a keymap or script to monitor for that button Mar 05 03:31:42 phungpham: what country? Mar 05 03:31:52 VietNam Mar 05 03:32:02 north vietnam? Mar 05 03:32:22 Ho Chi Minh City Mar 05 03:32:38 South VietNam Mar 05 03:33:16 Hm ok, mapped under what directory? /dev/input? Mar 05 03:33:55 Please let me know any distributor which i can buy without the export license Mar 05 03:33:56 RPisces: yep Mar 05 03:34:03 RPisces: google - evtest Mar 05 03:34:32 phungpham: all distributors are responsible for complying with the export license Mar 05 03:34:45 phungpham: vietnam is on the restricted list Mar 05 03:34:58 Yes Mar 05 03:35:07 If I can buy it or not Mar 05 03:35:10 yo prpplague Mar 05 03:35:35 XorA|gone: hey bud Mar 05 03:35:41 yes Mar 05 03:35:52 Please help me to buy Beagleboard Mar 05 03:35:55 phungpham: you can contact mouser or digikey directly to see if there are any exceptions Mar 05 03:36:16 I already directly contacted to Mouser Mar 05 03:36:49 I also paid but Mouser can not make the export license Mar 05 03:36:55 prpplague: this place has a strange burning ball of fire in the sky, I am scared!!!! Mar 05 03:37:13 XorA|gone: hehe Mar 05 03:37:22 phungpham: then no one can help you Mar 05 03:39:21 Oh Mar 05 03:41:44 you need to get creative Mar 05 03:41:45 :-) Mar 05 03:42:05 fly over to the US Mar 05 03:42:08 buy some Mar 05 03:42:10 take them home Mar 05 03:42:26 get caught in customs Mar 05 03:43:43 Oh Mar 05 03:44:00 it is too difficultly to buy follow this way Mar 05 03:44:12 get caught in customs ; get sent to gitmo Mar 05 03:47:17 prpplague: Cuba, where the sun is warm, and so is the comradeship? Mar 05 03:47:37 indeed Mar 05 03:59:11 @prpplague thanks for the help thus far...evtest does work, but how do I interface that to a script? Wouldn't it be much easier to use the sysfs method I've been trying? Mar 05 03:59:23 I just found this: "If you want to use the sysfs method then you need to go into the board file and stub out the platform device registering of the gpio-keys." Mar 05 04:00:01 RPisces: yes you can do that Mar 05 04:00:03 RPisces: however Mar 05 04:00:14 RPisces: if you want to learn how linux "is suppose to do things" Mar 05 04:00:25 why is sudo not part of the base install Mar 05 04:00:25 RPisces: evtest is an example application Mar 05 04:01:03 RPisces: for example you can simply edit the source code for evtest to "do something" when the specific button event is detected Mar 05 04:02:49 Right, I understand...interesting, but then I would have to re-build/make/compile it [the custom source code edit] for my distro, wouldn't I? Mar 05 04:04:15 RPisces: yep, not as difficult as you would expect, and a very valuable skill to develop if you are going to be working with embedded platforms Mar 05 04:11:03 which distro of Unbutu is : http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Demo_Image Mar 05 04:15:54 * XorA|gone discovers that laptop power lead is long enough to get out onto the balcony Mar 05 04:16:23 Luca256: luca!!!! Mar 05 04:17:00 Luca256: haven't seen you around in ages! Mar 05 04:23:09 Ooh ew. I just opened the evtest.c file and there's some stuff in here I've never even implemented in C/C++ haha Mar 05 04:23:46 er? Mar 05 04:24:16 RPisces: hehe Mar 05 04:25:14 What is the best way to compile c++ code for this platform? Set up a file server on the BB and transfer the compiled files? Or compile right on the BB with GCC? Mar 05 04:25:24 I bet there's 1000 more ways Mar 05 04:26:21 what would canonical do? Mar 05 04:27:09 juggle sporks Mar 05 04:36:27 where is the board file located in Debian/Ubuntu? I can't seem to find it Mar 05 04:37:35 RPisces: hehe Mar 05 04:37:55 RPisces: if you had troubles with evtest.c, you aren't going to get the board file fixed, hehe Mar 05 04:39:14 I'm an embedded programmer, I can do this! Mar 05 04:40:00 RPisces: i suggest you walk err crawl before you run ... Mar 05 04:40:15 heh Mar 05 04:40:36 RPisces: when you used evtest what was the output when you pressed the button? Mar 05 04:41:09 just dive right into the triathlon Mar 05 04:41:22 hehe Mar 05 04:41:46 Event: time 1362458463.464340, type 1 (EV_KEY), code 276 (BTN_EXTRA), value 1 Mar 05 04:42:00 or "....value 0" Mar 05 04:42:43 prpplague: hey Mar 05 04:42:53 Luca256: what you up to these days? Mar 05 04:42:59 RPisces: give me a minute Mar 05 04:43:02 prpplague: I've been here all the time, just not very talkative :) Mar 05 04:43:14 prpplague: quite much the same as before ;) Mar 05 04:43:26 still working with WiLink, though my team is different now Mar 05 04:43:43 Luca256: do you work on the embedded wifi module? Mar 05 04:43:48 prpplague: how about you? Mar 05 04:43:51 ds2: yep Mar 05 04:43:57 nice Mar 05 04:44:26 does it work as well as the older wilink stuff? Mar 05 04:44:43 ds2: what do you mean? it works better of course! ;) Mar 05 04:45:08 Luca256: that module is new and available in low volume so I wonder what compromises were made Mar 05 04:46:15 you mean the WL8? or..? Mar 05 04:46:24 Sure Mar 05 04:46:32 CCsomething Mar 05 04:46:40 ah, sorry Mar 05 04:46:51 no, I don't work with the CC something Mar 05 04:46:59 ohhh n/m then Mar 05 04:47:02 that's not WiLink, it's SimpleLink I think Mar 05 04:47:03 heh Mar 05 04:47:12 not very involved on that one (as you can see ;) Mar 05 04:47:17 it is a module so I donno what is inside Mar 05 04:47:23 yeah Mar 05 04:47:26 I dunno either Mar 05 04:47:42 but I'm sure it's good ;) Mar 05 04:47:51 heheh Mar 05 04:47:55 :P Mar 05 04:48:00 as 'good' as all the old wilink's? ;) Mar 05 04:48:25 the WiLinks are not "old" ;) Mar 05 04:48:29 WL8 is pretty new\ Mar 05 04:48:36 and it's awesome Mar 05 04:48:37 wilink5? ;) Mar 05 04:49:27 probably better than wilink5... also worst, because there's no wilink5 :D Mar 05 04:49:43 :) Mar 05 04:52:30 oh, there actually *is* a WiLink 5, but it's just WiLink 4.0 soldered" Mar 05 04:52:46 *"soldered" together with a bluetooth module Mar 05 04:56:53 Ok, so I want to compile C++ code on my beagleboard. Is there a way to use visual studio, or should I just do this with netbeans: http://mechomaniac.com/BeagleboardDevelopmentWithNetbeans Mar 05 04:58:07 RPisces: http://www.elinux.org/Buttontest Mar 05 04:59:38 ooh goodey Mar 05 04:59:44 *goodie Mar 05 04:59:49 Thanks Mar 05 05:00:16 RPisces: it is staticaly compiled, so it should be executable on your system Mar 05 06:17:36 gm Mar 05 06:19:58 crap Mar 05 06:23:54 mranostay is in a grrrreat mood. Mar 05 06:23:56 trolls! Mar 05 06:24:02 run! Mar 05 06:29:42 moaning Mar 05 06:32:29 morning Mar 05 06:32:54 why are there no hacking rooms poolside???? Mar 05 06:33:10 are there any trollside? Mar 05 06:34:33 * XorA has no idea, but Im in a part of the world with decent climate, then I get locked in a room indoors!!!!!! Mar 05 06:34:48 that sucks indeed Mar 05 06:37:07 <_av500_> usleep(167); //60fps Mar 05 06:37:22 <_av500_> I always wondered how that was done... Mar 05 06:41:11 I wonder what you do read in the morning Mar 05 06:45:41 <_av500_> :) Mar 05 06:46:10 <_av500_> source code of part-of-my-last-name-spacestastion-display-server Mar 05 06:51:17 Yawn Mar 05 06:58:42 wake up! time to irc! Mar 05 07:02:50 hmm, I regulary lose the connection to the sensortag. I wonder what that is. Mar 05 07:12:24 sensortag? Mar 05 07:13:48 i'm playing a bit with btle Mar 05 07:28:46 problem is I only have 2 minutes to reconnect, afterwards manual intervention is necessary Mar 05 07:29:13 and I check the connection only once every 5 minutes ;) Mar 05 07:33:07 so I will have to add a ping inbetween Mar 05 07:35:52 gm Mar 05 07:36:41 av500: hey frauline Mar 05 08:03:31 * mranostay sleeps Mar 05 08:03:39 trolls don't sleep Mar 05 08:04:21 ok i'm going to stare at the ceiling for 8 hours then Mar 05 08:05:05 you could ponder the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow meanwhile Mar 05 08:06:25 african or european Mar 05 08:07:09 asian Mar 05 08:07:34 * mru looks around, sees no swallows Mar 05 08:08:12 plenty of asians though Mar 05 08:11:45 do. Mar 05 09:40:31 good morning boys, what a wonderfull day to wage a war against infidels! Mar 05 09:43:16 you're sure you live in the right country? Mar 05 09:44:12 maybe it's a war against inferior chocolate infidels Mar 05 09:44:15 I thought switzerland got already enlightened Mar 05 09:57:21 aholler: .ch is probably the only country in the world, who has a law against building minarets Mar 05 09:57:30 aholler: so much for being enlightened Mar 05 09:58:40 it might have a reason (if you call for war) Mar 05 10:00:32 I assume they wouldn like you on top of such a minaret Mar 05 10:03:09 at least they left the dark age Mar 05 10:08:49 does .ch let gay people get married? Mar 05 10:09:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_partnership_in_Switzerland Mar 05 10:09:45 kind of Mar 05 10:09:57 so gay but not muslim. Mar 05 10:10:08 ? Mar 05 10:10:21 no, a minaret is disturbing Mar 05 10:10:29 funny how humans are. Mar 05 10:11:11 I dont think they expell muslims Mar 05 10:11:25 they just dont let them build minarets Mar 05 10:12:23 they expell minarets because those are used by cryers Mar 05 10:13:10 i dpont' think your allowed to flush the toilet after 10pm in some villages are you Mar 05 10:13:12 lol:-) Mar 05 10:13:25 they love their silecnce in .ch Mar 05 10:14:51 I wouldn't like someone crying out for war on a minaret too Mar 05 10:18:45 aholler: switzerland has 4 minarets currently, none has ever been used for a muezin until now Mar 05 10:19:13 maybe they have no need for crusades, in contrast to you Mar 05 10:19:31 aholler: the only place where such sounds were heard, was from a small church... and that was played by the swiss right wing party Mar 05 10:30:14 my zendulum fidgets => sun Mar 05 10:56:40 Hi! Mar 05 10:57:05 lo! Mar 05 10:58:08 I was at embedded world last week. many people recognized the beagleboard-xm on our desk Mar 05 10:58:59 sorry being called for lunch.. Mar 05 11:19:59 "The NMI sources are enabled by individual interrup enable bits." WTF??? Mar 05 11:20:23 ? Mar 05 11:20:43 an NMI that can be disabled is not an NMI Mar 05 11:30:34 well SSD is kind of wrong too, are there any LSDs or GSDs? Mar 05 12:29:04 hi all Mar 05 12:38:47 hi Mar 05 12:43:47 av500: too slow Mar 05 13:16:05 anyone know of a networking/internet communication/TCP channel? i have a networking related question regarding interfacing of a network camera to transmit video data to c++ Mar 05 13:17:16 #42 Mar 05 13:18:34 jeet_: just ask Mar 05 13:19:20 if firearms and swiss chocolate are on topic..anything is Mar 05 13:19:24 i have a DLINK network camera (dcs 930l) Mar 05 13:19:34 as far as i know, it may behave as a web server Mar 05 13:20:03 i guess i might have to run the install/initialization app again and skim the manual before i have a clear and specific question :( Mar 05 13:20:13 anyone have any ideas/guidelines who has done it before? or something similar Mar 05 13:20:35 done what? Mar 05 13:20:48 interface a network camera into some program Mar 05 13:20:57 to read the video data, etc Mar 05 13:21:19 i will be trying to use tcp/ip sockets i suppose in c++ Mar 05 13:21:23 to set up the connection Mar 05 13:21:45 it mentions mjpeg Mar 05 13:21:54 so I guess you have a url that spits out raw mjpeg Mar 05 13:24:28 mdp: are you saying, that i define what on topic is? ;) Mar 05 13:24:39 whatever stream you get, try to play with mplayer or vlc first Mar 05 13:25:21 jeet_: v4l might help as well Mar 05 13:25:26 KotH: it's a team effort, but you are an important part of the team Mar 05 13:38:24 what an honour! Mar 05 13:38:28 * KotH feels very important now Mar 05 13:42:21 KotH: v4l? Mar 05 13:42:27 for a networked camera? Mar 05 13:44:41 av500: i thought they handle everything? dont they? Mar 05 13:47:07 KotH: so mdp gave you a spot on the cool-wall? Mar 05 13:47:16 KotH: not yet everything Mar 05 13:48:32 dm8tbr: definitly! :-) Mar 05 13:48:45 av500: oh.. so i have to wait until it makes me coffee? Mar 05 13:49:28 should i select Wi-Fi Protected Setup (WPS) as the option for connections? can i use my laptop to set up that link? Mar 05 13:51:03 I think you are out of your league Mar 05 13:51:19 was there no manual with the camera? Mar 05 13:52:27 right, i should have that open Mar 05 13:52:43 if everything else fails: read the manual Mar 05 14:19:13 another hot TI warez http://pastebin.com/a2U5wUDL Mar 05 14:20:57 where is that from? Mar 05 14:21:09 s3cr3t Mar 05 14:21:12 and i think that guy did not understand what msp430s target is Mar 05 14:21:23 they do _not_ compete with arm, pic or avr Mar 05 14:21:33 do I care? Mar 05 14:21:39 dunno Mar 05 14:21:45 you cared enough to relate this text to us Mar 05 14:22:08 just feeding trolls, is that bad? Mar 05 14:22:25 yes Mar 05 14:22:30 omnomnom Mar 05 14:22:31 ok, I'll stop Mar 05 14:22:38 you should not feed the trolls.. unless it's really good food Mar 05 14:22:45 you know, i'm picky about what i eat Mar 05 14:22:53 ^^^ true Mar 05 14:23:05 only the finest chocolates will do :) Mar 05 14:23:11 :-) Mar 05 14:23:20 it's not only chocolate ;) Mar 05 14:23:24 So an MSP430 was $4.30? Mar 05 14:23:27 Even that seems high Mar 05 14:23:30 the launchpad Mar 05 14:23:42 ynezz: hehe, wonder if he's moving to a "$4.30" arduino now Mar 05 14:23:48 rpi :) Mar 05 14:23:49 alan_o: taht was at a time, when the cheapest eval board was 200usd Mar 05 14:23:53 LOL! Mar 05 14:24:03 it's 34.30, but well Mar 05 14:24:18 more bitbang for the bucks Mar 05 14:24:26 oh, so he mistyped, it's not 4.30 for just the MCU then Mar 05 14:24:31 hmm, its still $5 in estore Mar 05 14:24:35 should just get an RPi is cheaper Mar 05 14:24:36 where is it 9.99? Mar 05 14:25:09 av500, it doesn't matter...his list of disappointments is important Mar 05 14:25:26 * KotH should probably complain that the MSP430FR5339 launchpad didnt even contain a crystal so he had to buy that seperately Mar 05 14:25:42 mine did Mar 05 14:25:48 file a grievance! Mar 05 14:25:59 the first point is at least wrong. I'm using gcc here and a debugger is available too Mar 05 14:25:59 all mine came with a separately packaged crystal Mar 05 14:26:06 oh.kay.. Mar 05 14:26:13 aholler, he's bitching about it not all coming from TI Mar 05 14:26:15 could have been lost on the way to my desk then Mar 05 14:26:45 mine had a crystal too, unsolderable, but it was there ;) Mar 05 14:26:49 but then... we currently order twice a week something from mouser/digikey/farnell.. so getting parts is hardly a problem Mar 05 14:26:49 cause we know how involved atmel was with arduino ;) Mar 05 14:27:09 KotH: thank you!!! Mar 05 14:27:37 you mentioned the FR and that made me remember where I stashed all my launchpad stuff Mar 05 14:27:42 inside the FR biox :) Mar 05 14:28:54 anyway, someone who wants a ccs for linux can be taken serious ;) Mar 05 14:38:42 uups, s/can/can't/ Mar 05 14:43:47 * av500 orders 2 more launchpads before they raise the price Mar 05 14:45:13 maybe he confused the msp430 launchpad with the one with the nice rgb-led Mar 05 14:46:12 I order them whenever I need a usb-cable ;) Mar 05 14:46:43 yes Mar 05 14:46:45 that might be Mar 05 14:47:29 aholler: but then he should have added "and you even change the type of CPU!!!" in his rant Mar 05 14:48:03 I ma pissed btw that the launchpadG2 now has a good MSP Mar 05 14:48:27 and I have only the measly 2231 Mar 05 14:49:02 they got usable? Mar 05 14:50:24 btw, you've asked about msp and rtc, I have code to read and display rtc, but I never put it into something really usable because I was to lazy to add a battery holder + needed analog foo Mar 05 14:50:52 aholler: yes, it now has UART and 512byte RAM Mar 05 14:50:59 vs no UART and 128bytes Mar 05 14:51:01 uih Mar 05 14:51:04 :) Mar 05 14:51:06 I know Mar 05 14:51:26 its a friggin MSP430 after all Mar 05 14:51:50 if you solder the crystal and battery-holder it's good as an rtc ;) Mar 05 14:52:23 aholler: do you remember, was there a way to talk to the msp via the debug usb? Mar 05 14:52:42 gdb exists, so there must be one Mar 05 14:52:59 but I'm a source reader and no debugger, so I never used it Mar 05 14:53:57 uups, misunderstood your question Mar 05 14:54:20 yes, there is a way, I've used that to display the time of an attached rtc Mar 05 14:54:24 not durin development Mar 05 14:55:09 but it's 9.6k only, there the rant is true ;) Mar 05 14:56:31 well, accusing TI of whacky CDC/ACM/tty Linux drivers isn't fair also :) Mar 05 14:57:32 I never had a problem with the drivers. the limitation of 9.6k is because of the emulation in tusb Mar 05 14:57:48 you're lucky one then Mar 05 14:58:36 the way msp430->tusb->acm/linux goes through some obscure emulation in the tusb. Mar 05 14:58:45 it does happen to me even with other devices using that cdc/acm driver - sudden 5s long lockup of whole machine... Mar 05 14:58:51 so it's not only tusb related Mar 05 14:59:05 maybe you used ftdi Mar 05 14:59:20 there were several bugs in the ftdi-drivers Mar 05 14:59:31 * ynezz waits for mru... Mar 05 14:59:52 he got hit by one too ;) Mar 05 15:00:02 av500, never let the facts get in the way of a good rant. Mar 05 15:00:10 aholler: do you have a link for that? Mar 05 15:00:19 av500: what? Mar 05 15:00:24 it's some bug in the cdc/acm driver stack Mar 05 15:00:25 [15:58:36] the way msp430->tusb->acm/linux goes through some obscure emulation in the tusb. Mar 05 15:00:58 can't remember, I think I've just read the documentation Mar 05 15:01:02 ynezz: mru is probably already asleep... or still drinking Mar 05 15:01:17 av500: but I can offer you some source snippets Mar 05 15:02:00 av500: why do you have so many msp430 launchpads? Mar 05 15:02:11 av500: i doubt you can use them for your mp3 players, can you? Mar 05 15:03:04 KotH: I just ordered it Mar 05 15:03:56 aholler: http://ynezz.true.cz/msp430/tiquirk.diff Mar 05 15:05:17 but even with that patch the lockup happens Mar 05 15:05:25 somewhere deep in the tty stack Mar 05 15:05:55 but it was like year ago I've tried to fix it, so I don't remember it correctly Mar 05 15:06:27 and as I've seen, that they're rewritting tty subsystem in Linux I didn't care more Mar 05 15:07:14 av500: http://www.msp430launchpad.com/2010/09/simple-adc-example-on-launchpad.html Mar 05 15:08:03 there is the magic inside the msp which uses the tusb for i/o Mar 05 15:08:43 cruel bitbanging ;) Mar 05 15:09:14 av500: ahh.. hunter and gatherer Mar 05 15:15:47 anyway, the msp never was a replacement for an avr. the clue of the msp seems to be the low power requirements Mar 05 15:16:11 at least that is how I understood it Mar 05 15:16:11 yes Mar 05 15:16:39 so perfect for a rtc ;) Mar 05 15:17:09 we used it in some of our players as RTC + power manager Mar 05 15:17:18 before PMICs got too complex Mar 05 15:17:31 they just have added a coin cell holder to make that clear Mar 05 15:17:38 +should Mar 05 15:19:55 weren't there msp430 types, that could run from one single AAA cell? Mar 05 15:20:39 sure, but you have to solder and need some additional analog foo Mar 05 15:20:58 e.g. a diode Mar 05 15:23:24 that's why I stoped my msp-rtc-project ;) Mar 05 15:25:00 need a beagleboard with an msp430 Mar 05 15:25:49 aholler: what has soldering with the operation voltage to do? and why do you need analog foo? Mar 05 15:26:17 just the msp430, some crystal, and some display Mar 05 15:27:01 you need the diode to switch between usb-power and battery Mar 05 15:27:21 ah.. Mar 05 15:27:38 aholler: short the diode with a fet when no usb is connected Mar 05 15:28:02 I just bought an rtc with battery-holder ;) Mar 05 15:28:07 *g* Mar 05 15:28:33 but that's not half as geeky as your own, self made rtc! Mar 05 15:29:09 you could do it with the PRU Mar 05 15:29:26 battery-powered pru? Mar 05 15:29:36 yeah, it can do anything Mar 05 15:30:02 maybe we should design a beagle board with an msp430 as central processor... and call it chiuauaboard Mar 05 15:30:13 mdp: but I've heared it's future got efused Mar 05 15:30:24 *groan* Mar 05 15:31:56 * KotH pulls the dagger out of mdps back Mar 05 15:35:01 thanks Mar 05 15:36:29 you're welcome Mar 05 15:37:01 it's like ecc, ordinary people don't have to use such Mar 05 15:37:06 KotH: it exists Mar 05 15:37:12 its called the launchpad Mar 05 15:37:15 it even has capes Mar 05 15:37:19 totally silly ones Mar 05 15:37:27 like that "build your own MP3 player one" Mar 05 15:37:36 using a dedicated mp3 decoder DSP Mar 05 15:37:37 in 2012 Mar 05 15:39:50 http://www.ti.com/tool/430boost-c55audio1 Mar 05 15:40:11 when I saw that I felt like it was 1999 again Mar 05 15:40:44 mourning! Mar 05 15:45:33 a wonderfull jihad to you too! Mar 05 15:45:36 av500: heh Mar 05 15:46:02 av500: i would guess that a 24MHz clocked msp430 should have enough bang to decode mp3 Mar 05 15:46:30 but probably for not much moreĻ Mar 05 15:46:41 well, if you want to build an mp3 player, you do not start from msp430 +C5000 Mar 05 15:47:01 not in 2012 Mar 05 15:47:06 in 2002, yes maybe Mar 05 15:47:07 with would you, as an expert in this field, start from? Mar 05 15:47:21 KotH: or both Mar 05 15:47:25 well, first of all, you would source one from china Mar 05 15:47:27 cortex-m0? Mar 05 15:47:36 mru: sleep drinking again? Mar 05 15:47:39 which would be a single chip solution Mar 05 15:48:15 heh.. yeah... if you intend to sell millions Mar 05 15:48:22 what if you just want to build one for yourself? Mar 05 15:48:38 some Mx Mar 05 15:48:48 M3 M4 Mar 05 15:49:02 not enough punch in the M0? Mar 05 15:49:06 no idea Mar 05 15:49:08 never used one Mar 05 15:49:13 is there mp3 code for it? Mar 05 15:49:14 asl mur Mar 05 15:49:16 ask mru Mar 05 15:50:01 i know that rockbox has code for armv4 and armv7m... i guess the difference should be small enough that one could port the M3 code to M0 Mar 05 15:50:18 if it's not written in c already Mar 05 15:51:48 that's not easy Mar 05 15:51:58 m0 is armv6m Mar 05 15:52:04 oh.. Mar 05 15:52:07 ok.. Mar 05 15:52:13 thumb1 only Mar 05 15:52:14 thought it's a subset of armv7m Mar 05 15:55:41 * KotH notes, sakura taisen ost is quite good for coding Mar 05 15:58:54 http://imagebin.org/249063 Mar 05 16:01:10 the plague rolls in Mar 05 16:02:26 I for one, welcome the plague Mar 05 16:02:50 get a $12 launchpad for that Mar 05 16:02:51 * KotH bows Mar 05 16:03:19 it can't be worth anything if it's under $25 Mar 05 16:03:25 need to raise the price and prove some value Mar 05 16:04:20 I calculate everything in r-pis Mar 05 16:04:39 a 5$ launchpad is 0.14 rpis Mar 05 16:05:27 so the picture above is worth an rpis ;) Mar 05 16:05:46 or 0.8 if you already own a ble-dongle ;) Mar 05 16:07:03 I love random imagebin http://imagebin.org/249031 Mar 05 16:07:48 see the awesome channel list Mar 05 16:08:11 that hurds Mar 05 16:08:32 ubuntu is in good company Mar 05 16:08:32 he's chasing a lot of smoke and mirrors there Mar 05 17:09:21 this KVM for ARM stuff that's going in 3.9 kind of shocked me -- I had no idea any ARM had virt features at all Mar 05 17:09:44 wish I had some need to play with it Mar 05 17:10:08 unfortunately I can't think of any reason to play with it, since KVM on my x86 desktop works fine :( Mar 05 17:14:31 biot: cortex-a15 has virt Mar 05 17:14:46 yeah, that's what I read just now Mar 05 17:14:49 and as a consequence a7 does too Mar 05 17:39:53 biot: how do I get the 'autostuff' dir in libsigrok? Mar 05 17:40:05 biot: it's in .gitignore, but autoreconf does need it Mar 05 17:40:22 [koen@rrMBP git]$ git grep autostuff Mar 05 17:40:22 .gitignore:autostuff/ Mar 05 17:40:22 Makefile.am:ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS = -I autostuff Mar 05 17:40:22 configure.ac:AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR([autostuff]) Mar 05 17:40:22 configure.ac:AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR([autostuff]) Mar 05 18:15:59 people who make code like "} // end while" should be beaten severely. Mar 05 18:17:00 yeah Mar 05 18:17:11 you need a while() { in front Mar 05 18:17:15 otherwise it won't compile Mar 05 18:18:18 people that use weird text editors as well! Mar 05 18:21:54 hehe Mar 05 18:22:04 *evil* text editors Mar 05 18:22:10 Well, if you knew what text editor I was using right now..... Mar 05 18:22:21 it's an MPLABX project, which is netbeans. Mar 05 18:22:22 does it start with Visual? Mar 05 18:22:37 haven't decided whether it's worse than Visual Screwdio Mar 05 18:22:52 At least it's on Linux, so I think that's the trump card. Mar 05 18:23:30 yay, edma love on -rc1 Mar 05 18:23:33 well alan_o strikes me as *evil* Mar 05 18:23:56 that's the first thing I thought too Mar 05 18:25:16 Am I Evil? http://i.imgur.com/85e6H50.jpg Mar 05 18:25:41 hah! that does look pretty evil Mar 05 18:25:55 mlocke looks distorted Mar 05 18:26:11 that lighting didn't help in that courtyard Mar 05 18:26:26 round lens, square chip Mar 05 18:26:42 What was that girl's name? Mar 05 18:26:54 No Name Mar 05 18:26:57 I forget Mar 05 18:27:14 I think I said about 10 words to her. Mar 05 18:27:15 "Drunk Australian" Mar 05 18:30:11 I don't remember names even when sober Mar 05 18:31:34 mranostay, you didn't have to give away *that* secret. Mar 05 18:32:41 ka6sox: who are you again? Mar 05 18:34:07 heh Mar 05 18:34:26 WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?!?! :) Mar 05 18:35:08 (and what are we doing coming into your living room) Mar 05 18:44:59 koen: use the autogen script in the root dir, we don't use autoreconf Mar 05 18:49:05 biot why not? Mar 05 18:49:45 some very annoying OS-specific hacks in autogen script Mar 05 18:50:09 * alan_o sings the chorus from Am I Evil in his head repeatedly..... thanks mdp. Mar 05 18:50:42 hi alan_o Mar 05 18:50:46 biot shame on you Mar 05 18:50:48 hey woglinde Mar 05 18:50:56 woglinde: I'll take a patch :) Mar 05 18:51:04 show me the script Mar 05 18:51:28 I can maybee think about it when cleaning the bathtube Mar 05 18:51:33 http://sigrok.org/gitweb/?p=libsigrok.git;a=blob;f=autogen.sh;h=9ee4cd4c4329ea63163b28f95d32b601298a9a99;hb=HEAD Mar 05 18:51:35 isn't there something about autoreconf being new and not always supported on old systems? Mar 05 18:51:41 alan_o: you are most welcome Mar 05 18:52:09 honestly we haven't given it much thought -- just add something whenever a non-linux build breaks Mar 05 18:52:22 biot lol Mar 05 18:52:27 . o O (like any other build system) Mar 05 18:53:04 you are kidding me with this script Mar 05 18:55:43 biot why do you need glibtoolize on mac os? Mar 05 18:56:03 I don't know, don't use macos Mar 05 18:56:13 lol Mar 05 18:56:26 woglinde : apple ships ancient libtool as "libtoolize" Mar 05 18:56:26 than asked the person who commited it Mar 05 18:56:39 this is basic cross platform knowledge Mar 05 18:56:57 so install a newer one Mar 05 18:57:02 yes Mar 05 18:57:07 I think you can just run glibtoolize on all systems and be fine Mar 05 18:57:08 they are all installed as glibtoolize Mar 05 18:57:11 and put that in a read me Mar 05 18:57:17 ah gnu prefix okay Mar 05 18:57:23 I thought glib Mar 05 18:57:25 xcode needs libtoolize to be what it is Mar 05 18:57:33 think again :) Mar 05 18:57:47 and thats why I asked about glibtoolize Mar 05 18:57:47 ^^ me? Mar 05 18:57:51 no woglinde Mar 05 18:58:20 so non problem on none macos to use autoreconf Mar 05 18:58:22 perfect Mar 05 18:58:33 case solved Mar 05 18:58:44 ticket closed? Mar 05 19:00:38 I'm just happy it's fixed! Mar 05 19:00:38 woglinde : yes it often works Mar 05 19:00:42 wait, there was no problem. Mar 05 19:00:54 * mdp puts the ladder in place and chalks another one up on the big board Mar 05 19:01:25 I didn't realize the board was _that_ big Mar 05 19:01:33 that is what she said Mar 05 19:02:23 * alan_o adds "board" to his list of slang euphemisms. Mar 05 19:03:03 alanborad.org ? Mar 05 19:03:04 learn something new every day, apparently. Mar 05 19:03:27 hey, I like the sound of that Mar 05 19:04:37 biot so just write in the readme dont use autoreconf on macos Mar 05 19:05:14 alan_o: but you forget two things Mar 05 19:05:54 mranostay: listening.... Mar 05 19:06:05 the world waits Mar 05 19:14:21 * djlewis waits too Mar 05 19:18:03 I gotta get that cross-compiler stuff working Mar 05 19:18:32 mrpackethead ? Mar 05 19:18:59 sorry, wrong window.. but sort of.. Just compiling some code natively on the beaglebone. Mar 05 19:19:05 it can take some time. Mar 05 19:19:48 ? Mar 05 19:19:55 crosscompile stuff native? Mar 05 19:21:54 I think he means that he needs to get cross-compilation working, because native is slowwww. ;) Mar 05 19:24:14 So what's the current recommended cross-compiler for bone-related stuff? Mar 05 19:24:23 please follow the channel rules...no cross compile talk. Mar 05 19:24:44 bitbake -c populate_sdk the-image-you-like Mar 05 19:24:48 oh, my bad. Mar 05 19:53:38 mdp: #beagle has rules? Mar 05 19:54:07 don't ask to ask | be patient Mar 05 19:54:59 no unethical cross compiling discussions Mar 05 19:55:19 off topic is on topic Mar 05 19:58:49 white is the new black!? Mar 05 19:58:50 \o/ Mar 05 19:59:18 say I got this cool new board, it's named after a dessert! Mar 05 19:59:36 I hope it's still opposite day :) Mar 05 19:59:42 hehe Mar 05 20:01:11 white is the new bitbang Mar 05 20:03:20 bitbang is on topic Mar 05 20:03:30 don't ask to bitbang Mar 05 20:08:26 <_av500_> bitbang? Mar 05 20:11:11 alan_o: stop stalking me! Mar 05 20:15:52 g'night Mar 05 20:16:02 mranostay: I was trying to look up your email address Mar 05 20:16:06 nite panto Mar 05 20:16:13 alan_o, creepy Mar 05 20:16:17 mranostay: which I ended up getting from lkml Mar 05 20:16:26 still creepy Mar 05 20:16:32 maybe Mar 05 20:19:32 <_av500_> creeper cards Mar 05 20:20:00 <_av500_> why does each make in uboot recompile everything? Mar 05 20:25:44 ? Mar 05 20:25:55 you always edit the wrong header Mar 05 20:27:14 <_av500_> I edit nothing Mar 05 20:28:04 _av500_: I asked that too Mar 05 20:28:10 not sure why they bother using make Mar 05 20:28:30 <_av500_> ah, so its not me Mar 05 20:29:10 nope especially frustrating when you are developing...using -jFOO and you are scrolling back through eternity to find the error message in the one .c you changed Mar 05 20:29:52 <_av500_> yep Mar 05 20:30:02 <_av500_> and its not even quiet Mar 05 20:30:12 barebox :) Mar 05 20:30:14 * alan_o ducks Mar 05 20:30:59 * mdp checks the lengthy list of channel rules for 'barebox' Mar 05 20:31:13 ahh yes, TI doesn't support barebox so discussion is forbidden! Mar 05 20:31:18 ;) Mar 05 20:31:32 rule #1, is that the rules are hidden in a now deleted document but hidden on dubious.ru Mar 05 20:31:41 heh Mar 05 20:31:57 We will tell you what the rules are when you violate them :) Mar 05 20:32:20 we have had time to update the rules wiki! Mar 05 20:32:26 s/have/have not/ Mar 05 20:32:35 Paging Dr. Freud? Mar 05 20:32:40 heh Mar 05 20:43:55 <_av500_> and billions of identical Makefiles Mar 05 20:44:33 <_av500_> chtulu-boot Mar 05 20:46:28 i hate it when you patched something ( jack ) Mar 05 20:46:35 put it into your build instructions Mar 05 20:46:42 then go back to use it Mar 05 20:46:44 and it does'nt work Mar 05 20:46:52 becuase the patch has been included in the mainstream Mar 05 20:54:14 I don't have a glibtoolize on my gnu/linux system. Mar 05 20:54:50 aholler: hmm, I don't either. I guess I was wrong Mar 05 20:54:51 fun Mar 05 20:55:59 but libtool is evil itself. Mar 05 20:57:00 haha the daily wtf Mar 05 20:57:27 again glibtoolize is modern libtool on macos Mar 05 20:57:42 ok, folks, quick question hopefully a quick answer might come. If i have a system ( beaglebone + hardware + software ) that is fully functional and running how i want it, and i want to replicate it 250 times, what would be a good way of cloning it. Mar 05 20:57:53 dd Mar 05 20:58:02 tar Mar 05 20:58:15 cpio? Mar 05 20:58:29 hm wait Mar 05 20:58:35 how to clone the hw Mar 05 20:58:50 ok, assume the hardware does'nt need cloining.. it comes in a carboard box Mar 05 20:58:52 :-) Mar 05 20:59:02 that problem is solved, by sending $$$ to clint Mar 05 20:59:22 buy 250 sdcards and use dd Mar 05 20:59:51 re crofton Mar 05 21:00:00 hm the daily wtf is nice Mar 05 21:00:11 sfdisk + mkfs + tar should be the fast solution. Mar 05 21:00:22 +est Mar 05 21:01:15 mrpackethea +1 for using dd.. will take a while w/ manual intervention, but is easy Mar 05 21:03:27 <_av500_> dd is slow Mar 05 21:03:36 <_av500_> tgz of the filesystems is faster Mar 05 21:06:11 hm yes and than resizefs Mar 05 21:06:17 that could work too Mar 05 21:06:33 why resize? Mar 05 21:06:49 ah ah no sorry Mar 05 21:07:03 mixed it with oe extX creations Mar 05 21:07:13 which you can dd Mar 05 21:07:18 and than resizefs Mar 05 21:08:11 how evil Mar 05 21:08:14 dd is very slow Mar 05 21:08:27 esp when i have 16GB Sdcards Mar 05 21:08:42 slow even with bs=1m? Mar 05 21:08:56 it still copies 16gb Mar 05 21:09:03 aholler why evil? Mar 05 21:09:04 though, most of the 16GB is empty Mar 05 21:09:40 ah, ok, if most is empty then dd will be much slower than tar Mar 05 21:09:55 the 16GB is for media storage Mar 05 21:09:59 once its doing its job Mar 05 21:10:02 can't clone that Mar 05 21:10:07 because each one is different Mar 05 21:10:13 yes sure Mar 05 21:10:52 woglinde: because using dd for file system creation is evil. Mar 05 21:11:16 or for backup Mar 05 21:12:47 ? Mar 05 21:16:17 it's a sledge hammer method Mar 05 21:17:25 <_av500_> write a script that partitions and formats Mar 05 21:17:30 <_av500_> then untar the content Mar 05 21:17:31 <_av500_> sone Mar 05 21:19:59 DSS is big and scary. Mar 05 21:21:19 <_av500_> yes :) Mar 05 21:21:35 <_av500_> but then tomba wrote a nice linux driver for it Mar 05 21:24:37 <_av500_> Kristina: dont know what to say, its a complex display subsystem Mar 05 21:25:30 <_av500_> there is some dss support in uboot that just sets up one framebuffer with a fixed resolution Mar 05 21:25:36 Porting it isn't going to be easy :( Mar 05 21:25:51 <_av500_> so if you want a quilkc and dirty way, then just copy that Mar 05 21:25:57 I ported the DMA code a few days back :D Mar 05 21:26:18 Surprisingly, the Linux DMA drivers for OMAP were not that Linux-dependent :O Mar 05 21:26:46 <_av500_> well, dss has all these clock dependencies Mar 05 21:27:03 <_av500_> for pixel clocks and functional clocks etc Mar 05 21:27:35 Does it use a Linux specific subsystem or an OMAP specific subsystem? Mar 05 21:28:34 ie. the serial port uses the DMA subsystem which is OMAP specific. Mar 05 21:29:13 <_av500_> you dont need dma for the serial Mar 05 21:29:26 <_av500_> well, DSS is omap specific Mar 05 21:29:34 use bitbanged vga ;) Mar 05 21:29:36 <_av500_> and the clk stuff is generic Mar 05 21:31:39 <_av500_> sorry, nobody writes linux code with the idea to make parting easy Mar 05 21:31:42 <_av500_> porting* Mar 05 21:43:05 <_av500_> wow, building uboot crashed my toolchain Mar 05 21:43:34 <_av500_> mdp: what is the toolchain du jour to use? Mar 05 21:49:44 you guys are so smart. Mar 05 21:54:59 _av500_: i was finding dd to be a big hammer, that i did'nt like Mar 05 21:55:03 _av500_: well, the linux driver for the serial port uses dma Mar 05 21:55:11 and to be honest, was getting some irractic responses Mar 05 21:56:54 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2196999 Mar 05 21:59:10 <_av500_> Kristina: yes I know, that is the omap specific one, but a std 16550 would work too Mar 05 22:00:07 Oh well, I have to use the OMAP specific one now ... otherwise it will feel like I ported the DMA stuff for nothing. Mar 05 22:00:39 <_av500_> fine Mar 05 22:00:50 <_av500_> you will have 4mbit/s serial without a hitch :) Mar 05 22:01:23 That's fast! Mar 05 22:01:25 :O Mar 05 22:04:54 :o Mar 05 22:05:21 ... or am I missing something? Mar 05 22:05:28 (I'm not good at this) Mar 05 22:06:10 O_O Mar 05 22:06:46 Sometimes I feel like I'm being made fun of :( Mar 05 22:10:41 Kristina: we would never do that Mar 05 22:11:55 NishanthMenon: !!eleven11! Mar 05 22:12:02 Kristina: They'd much rather make fun of me. Mar 05 22:12:04 mranostay, hiya Mar 05 22:12:09 Kristina: So you're safe :) Mar 05 22:12:53 Kristina, don't worry...we all grow scales here. Mar 05 22:13:09 ka6sox-away: aka die a little on the inside :P Mar 05 22:14:09 mranostay, something like that. Mar 05 22:17:14 <_av500_> Kristina: no, did not mean to make fun of you Mar 05 22:17:44 <_av500_> omap3 worked long time with the stock serial driver, then TI wrote hte high speed one with DMA Mar 05 22:18:01 _av500_: are there any pointers to creating such a build script that you talked about jsut beofre? Mar 05 22:18:02 <_av500_> for having just a debug console, the old one was fine Mar 05 22:18:10 <_av500_> mrpackethead: I did? Mar 05 22:18:22 <_av500_> look at mkcard.sh Mar 05 22:19:07 thanks. Mar 05 22:19:19 sfdisk -d /dev/source >foo.txt sfdisk /dev/target (exact steps) Mar 05 22:19:40 +; Mar 05 22:19:53 aholler: ta Mar 05 22:21:40 mkfs and tar is basic stuff. Mar 05 22:22:21 basic if yu've done it Mar 05 22:22:28 not so basic if you hav'nt Mar 05 22:22:38 learning it makes sense Mar 05 22:22:44 yes. Mar 05 22:22:50 just havnt had a need to before Mar 05 22:22:55 now i do Mar 05 22:24:30 so what i could end up with, is a build system thats a bit like how I install debian now with mk_mmc.sh Mar 05 22:24:51 that might be a good starting point Mar 05 22:25:06 I wouldn't call a 4 liner a build system ;) Mar 05 22:26:20 <_av500_> aholler: everybody starts small Mar 05 22:26:31 <_av500_> BUILD.BAT Mar 05 22:26:32 *g* Mar 05 22:26:42 * mranostay stabs av500 Mar 05 22:26:48 av500: but you don't have to call it large Mar 05 22:27:17 only advertising people do such Mar 05 22:28:20 call it a system building framework ;) Mar 05 22:29:45 <_av500_> mranostay: whats with you lately? going for knife crime? Mar 05 22:29:49 <_av500_> they took away your guns? Mar 05 22:32:55 heh Mar 05 22:36:41 hehe. Mar 05 22:37:07 troll troll troll Mar 05 22:37:27 mru bar bar bar Mar 05 22:37:36 baz baz baz Mar 05 22:37:49 hey, how did you know the hostname of my router? Mar 05 22:38:11 all your base are belong to us Mar 05 22:38:12 I'm a stalker; ask mranosay Mar 05 22:38:27 alan_o: what are you emailing me exactly? Mar 05 22:38:42 I thought I did already. Mar 05 22:39:14 spam! :) Mar 05 22:39:18 I just got a newsletter from TotalPhase that talked about the contest you won. Wasn't sure if you get spam from them. Mar 05 22:39:20 is the password hunter2? Mar 05 22:39:41 *******? Mar 05 22:39:44 hunter22 Mar 05 22:40:19 mru: http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Asterisk ? Mar 05 22:40:22 I had to change it Mar 05 22:40:47 ah, so it's swordfish now Mar 05 22:40:52 you know someone has done that Mar 05 22:41:02 swordfish? Mar 05 22:41:25 Sw0rdfish Mar 05 22:41:34 had to get the right mix of special characters Mar 05 22:42:02 Sw0rdfissh. Nobody would guess that. Mar 05 22:42:52 correct horse battery staple Mar 05 22:43:03 perfect! Mar 05 22:48:20 bash.org is so funny: http://www.bash.org/?6142 ;) Mar 05 22:54:35 yo prpplague Mar 05 22:54:47 yo Mar 05 22:55:37 mru: hows the conference? Mar 05 22:55:55 2 days done, 3 to go Mar 05 22:56:09 :) Mar 05 22:57:28 Linaro? Mar 05 22:57:28 mru: no spock sightings this time? Mar 05 22:57:51 alan_o: yes Mar 05 22:58:21 building sekret cooperate decisions Mar 05 22:58:23 ;) Mar 05 22:59:03 keynote today is by some guy from facebook Mar 05 23:01:06 <_av500_> 5 days Mar 05 23:01:14 is a lot Mar 05 23:01:18 <_av500_> yeah Mar 05 23:01:48 talks are mostly before lunch Mar 05 23:01:59 many decisions to decide Mar 05 23:01:59 then they have this idiotic notion that people would be able to do actual work in the afternoon Mar 05 23:02:24 <_av500_> I tought in the afternoon is when you NIH things Mar 05 23:02:40 <_av500_> linaro could use a display server.... Mar 05 23:03:19 <_av500_> mru: ask the FB guy why 65k methods are not enough for everybody Mar 05 23:03:21 the ubuntu-wanking has subsided a bit Mar 05 23:04:54 is 65k a number or a term for something? Mar 05 23:05:13 * mru has no idea what that is about Mar 05 23:07:04 <_av500_> https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-engineering/under-the-hood-dalvik-patch-for-facebook-for-android/10151345597798920 Mar 05 23:10:05 framework builders Mar 05 23:12:27 _av500_: "all working together in real-time" Mar 05 23:13:06 written by stephen king Mar 05 23:14:32 the future of gnome Mar 05 23:15:20 I don't think I've read a single positive comment on that page Mar 05 23:15:31 oh wait, just found one Mar 05 23:15:40 must be a sock puppet Mar 05 23:18:32 who has time to be positive? Mar 05 23:20:11 Folks I have been searching for almost two hours on the internet. I am looking to build a very easy to use linux system that either does IRC upon bootup, once it is set, or email. It is for my 85 year old mother who doesn't want to "waste" time learning a computer, but needs to stay in touch with my other brother in Sweeden. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Mar 05 23:21:02 gmulak: by "system" what do you mean? Mar 05 23:21:03 a PC? Mar 05 23:21:34 That's not really the topic of this channel, but with a stock ubuntu install, you can configure it to launch programs at startup Mar 05 23:21:43 could make it launch thunderbird and/or xchat Mar 05 23:21:52 alan_o: A device, when turned on, only does one thing. I saw one beagleboard that just printed out the weather? Mar 05 23:22:21 makeing things easy isn't easy Mar 05 23:22:28 ^^ +1 Mar 05 23:22:38 It's all "easy" until something doesn't go exactly right Mar 05 23:22:39 aholler: understood Mar 05 23:22:51 then it turns out you have to know something, even if "something" is just how to use a mouse Mar 05 23:23:08 just do it. Mar 05 23:23:14 otherwise, pay someone. Mar 05 23:23:44 If you want it to not even show a desktop, look at your xinitrc file Mar 05 23:24:29 alan_o: OK, thank you. Is there such a project that has already been done? Mar 05 23:24:30 <_av500_> gmulak: buy her an android tablet and install skype Mar 05 23:24:32 just calling irssi at startup and not using X at all might be a solution Mar 05 23:24:56 aholler: irssi might be a bit much for this particular use case Mar 05 23:25:10 she'd need a keybinding sheet Mar 05 23:25:22 <_av500_> what for? Mar 05 23:25:25 <_av500_> single channel Mar 05 23:25:30 <_av500_> fixed Mar 05 23:25:35 maybe so Mar 05 23:25:36 you can configure to enter a channel at startup Mar 05 23:26:22 <_av500_> alan_o: wait 'til grandma ops up and kickbans you! Mar 05 23:26:29 :) Mar 05 23:26:30 and 80x25 might just be right for grandmas eyes. Mar 05 23:26:54 maybe you could just use a serial terminal and run a serial line to Sweden Mar 05 23:27:15 might need to use 422 Mar 05 23:28:17 aholler: Yes, Keyboard, small LCD, and beagleboard. program to start xchat. Doable? Mar 05 23:28:25 <_av500_> sure Mar 05 23:28:37 <_av500_> its just SW Mar 05 23:28:43 <_av500_> anything is doable Mar 05 23:29:37 it is been done so many times, people loose count Mar 05 23:30:31 gmulak: if you go xchat an android-device might just be enough. you could add a bluetooth-keyboard and mouse for easier usage Mar 05 23:30:31 I have searched beagleboard, chat, etc so many times. Please point me to a project that has been done? Mar 05 23:31:09 or just buy her a chromebook Mar 05 23:31:19 aholler: I will try that. Thanks. Mar 05 23:32:33 or a blackberry Mar 05 23:33:02 aholler: raspberry? Mar 05 23:33:16 or even that Mar 05 23:33:31 but than you have to be able to make it easy Mar 05 23:33:40 s/than/then/ Mar 05 23:34:57 but _av500_ is right, skype and you're done. Mar 05 23:34:59 I have to put it together for her in such a way that it is very much like a standard desktop telephone. She just gets too confused if there are any other options or buttons to click on. Mar 05 23:35:29 there are phones which can do that Mar 05 23:35:40 sip/video-phones Mar 05 23:35:47 buy two, done Mar 05 23:35:49 can she type? Mar 05 23:35:55 That is why I went here. I just knew you folks would have a solution Mar 05 23:36:13 She can dial and she can type. That is about it. Mar 05 23:37:55 http://www.google.de/images?hl=all&q=sip+video+phone Mar 05 23:41:44 aholler: Nice - I do need to just do texting though. Very helpful, I appreciate it. Mar 05 23:45:13 there are xmpp command line tools too. might be a better choice than using public irc channel Mar 05 23:47:13 aholler: OK, a good point aholler. Thank you once again. Mar 05 23:47:30 <_av500_> gn Mar 05 23:48:05 I've seen one which looked like irssi, but can't remember the name Mar 05 23:59:11 aholler: Sorry, I don't quite understand. Irssi is a irc client, correct? Mar 06 00:02:25 yes. But I don't think you should try build such an easy to use system yourself. it will cost you much more time than those 2h you searched the internet Mar 06 00:03:40 aholler: Suggestions? Mar 06 00:03:56 see above Mar 06 00:48:52 on facebook keynote slide: prehephrials Mar 06 00:49:22 I think he meant peripherals Mar 06 00:51:14 nice one Mar 06 00:51:33 Facebook is a member of Linaro? Mar 06 00:52:49 mru, is it morning for you? Mar 06 00:54:11 Crofton|work: yes Mar 06 00:54:33 clock says so at least Mar 06 00:54:40 :) Mar 06 00:55:15 how many horrible misspellings did I have on my slides? Mar 06 00:56:49 thid guy probably thinks it's actually called that Mar 06 00:56:58 thid? Mar 06 00:57:14 mru: jetlagged? Mar 06 00:57:43 not exactly Mar 06 00:58:41 more like zombie mode Mar 06 01:02:29 zombie trolls? Mar 06 01:04:52 mru: why is FB part of Linaro? Mar 06 01:05:00 ARM servers? Mar 06 01:06:09 I think they are looking at a corporate takeover of open source Mar 06 01:06:18 they heard linaro was into that Mar 06 01:07:16 Facebook phone! Mar 06 01:07:22 Wheeeee Mar 06 01:09:42 There should be a bigger Darwin community :( Mar 06 01:09:49 Especially for ARM :( Mar 06 01:10:12 yeah will this community pay me though? :P Mar 06 01:11:01 I swear, half of OMAP drivers for Linux were written by enthusiasts? Mar 06 01:15:38 *sigh* Very few things get done without corporate backing. Mar 06 01:16:39 Android is terrible but it made it through because Google was promoting it :/ Mar 06 01:17:50 ~google "corporate takeover of linux" Mar 06 01:23:09 Crofton|work: i for one welcome our new Linaro overlords Mar 06 01:37:43 I have just bought Linux of Linus Mar 06 01:37:50 so, start paying me folks Mar 06 01:37:52 :-) Mar 06 01:38:00 All GPL is now cancelled Mar 06 01:38:02 :-) Mar 06 01:38:04 sigh. Mar 06 01:41:42 ds2: BBW... really? :) Mar 06 01:47:51 koen: since i work for clint now, do you think he'll pay for my funeral if i have an aneurysm due to the number of items i need to complete before friday? Mar 06 01:51:45 Potter's Field Mar 06 01:52:49 or ikea swedish meatballs Mar 06 01:57:19 prpplague: can we make your coffin out of Tizen stickers? Mar 06 01:57:59 mranostay: as long as koen doesn't do a 3D printed yoctopus shaped coffin Mar 06 01:58:23 3d printing coffins there is a market Mar 06 02:04:39 prpplague: is clint really busy Mar 06 02:05:22 whos Rao Bodapati? Mar 06 02:05:40 and is he a resident troll in #beagle Mar 06 02:05:44 Basically, what really pisses me off (and I've been guilty of this as well) is that there are so few successful/finished large projects that were done without help from large companies. Mar 06 02:08:29 mranostay: coffin-printer(tm) is a great idea Mar 06 02:09:22 Screw coffins. I want an Apple shaped urn. Mar 06 02:09:42 I just need a dustpan Mar 06 02:09:57 cremated on a bed of x86's? Mar 06 02:10:16 Getting flushed down the toilet would work too. Mar 06 02:10:28 specifically 1st gen athlons? Mar 06 02:11:10 sure Mar 06 02:11:18 or P4 Xeons Mar 06 02:12:17 when i'm dead it is all your problems Mar 06 02:12:23 lol Mar 06 02:13:20 Heh. Mar 06 02:13:39 My side projects have been the only thing keeping me from offing myself. Mar 06 02:14:20 Because if I'm dead, who else is going to port Darwin to OMAP based platforms? Mar 06 02:15:35 what a legacy Mar 06 02:15:51 Actually, there was an old OMAP port at Apple, but that was only for the interrupt controller, and nothing else. Mar 06 02:15:59 As well as the timer. Mar 06 02:16:23 i want to be cremated, and have a wake with an open bar.... Mar 06 02:16:39 and have the bartenders put some my ashes in everyones drink without them know Mar 06 02:16:53 Same for Integrator - a lot of these boards were just used to run Darwin for the sake of, well, running Darwin on them. Mar 06 02:17:09 MX31 had more or less of a proper Darwin port. Mar 06 02:17:15 Mmmmm Integrators Mar 06 02:17:42 But that was because some iPhones were initially prototyped as MX31-based devices. Mar 06 02:18:42 But then came S5L and its friend, the iFPGA. Mar 06 02:19:48 Kristina: so prototype iOS ran on the 3DS stuff? Mar 06 02:22:55 ds2: 3DS uses iMX31? Mar 06 02:23:36 Kristina: that's the dev board that almost looks like a device Mar 06 02:23:46 3 stack or something like that Mar 06 02:25:23 Ah, right. Yeah, it used that SoC. Mar 06 02:26:13 it was a lower cost dev board that predated the Beagle Mar 06 02:27:07 Kristina: why do we need Darwin on Arm? Mar 06 02:27:16 i have a few Darwin things on my mac Mar 06 02:27:50 Well, Darwin is the foundation of iOS. Mar 06 02:28:05 oh really Mar 06 02:28:33 so i use it everyday and did'nt even know Mar 06 02:28:34 :-) Mar 06 02:28:36 it is the evolution of fruit... aptly name cuz that is a dead end ;) Mar 06 02:30:00 Well, Darwin mostly refers to the coreos stack which includes XNU, lower level user stuff like dyld, libsystem, dispatch, launchd and configd. Mar 06 02:30:43 Stuff like dispatch is done by the core bsd team. Mar 06 02:32:02 There are lots of optimizations everywhere to compensate for the fact that nearly everything involving mach IPC carrier a shitload of overhead. Mar 06 02:32:24 And mach IPC is such a fundamental concept for everything on iOS/MOSX. Mar 06 02:34:37 Most mach "syscalls" are actually implemented on top of mach_msg. Mar 06 02:35:20 So things like allocating/deallocating pages would involve sending mach messages. Mar 06 02:35:44 (well, vm_allocate was actually optimized to be an actual trap in newer xnu versions) Mar 06 02:36:11 why's that.. is it a microkernel design? Mar 06 02:36:36 yes Mar 06 02:40:22 Everyone's getting bored of the microkernel now. Mar 06 02:40:34 not tanenbaum Mar 06 02:40:38 All the newer stuff is being implemented in the BSD layer. Mar 06 02:40:48 but people are probably bored of him, however Mar 06 02:40:55 heh Mar 06 02:41:18 But mach is still at the core of xnu. Mar 06 02:41:30 I like mach. Mar 06 02:41:43 It's what makes xnu "special". Mar 06 02:44:55 Kristina, you won't find many adherents to that religion here. Mar 06 02:57:04 ka6sox-farfarawa: burn the heretic! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 06 02:59:58 2013