**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 11 02:59:58 2013 Mar 11 03:17:50 cape manager? Mar 11 03:40:41 * mranostay fistbumps ka6sox Mar 11 03:46:59 hello? Mar 11 03:49:48 hello ka6sox Mar 11 03:54:53 Cape Disappointment. Mar 11 04:14:50 heh Mar 11 04:29:09 that bad, huh? Mar 11 04:42:28 Shadyman, ya...unfortunatly so. Mar 11 04:43:20 geez hardware guys :) Mar 11 04:44:39 without us you guys would be vapour :P Mar 11 04:45:27 now I gotta get used to PST again :P Mar 11 04:47:34 ka6sox: without us your stuff would be only shiney PCBs :P Mar 11 04:48:08 :D Mar 11 05:01:01 troll troll troll Mar 11 05:07:11 ah crap Mar 11 05:10:53 mru: not you again Mar 11 05:22:34 <_av500_> llort llort llort Mar 11 05:26:29 <_av500_> commute I must Mar 11 05:33:24 I must say hong kong was better, much warmer and not nearly as early Mar 11 05:35:29 good moaning Mar 11 05:42:45 Gotta love companies where you have to fill out their webform to request developer guides Mar 11 05:43:03 And then "Our staff has been notified of your request", and the calls and emails and mailings Mar 11 05:44:04 you gave them real info?! Mar 11 05:44:54 * dm8tbr has an endless music-on-hold number for such purposes Mar 11 05:46:00 Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? Mar 11 05:46:17 usually they call once or twice, get the machine, and never call again. Mar 11 05:46:47 That said, the Future Electronics guys are fun to talk to. Mar 11 05:47:21 they do the marketing for a number of these different chip manufacturers Mar 11 05:48:44 That said, I totally whipped out a bbone cape or two this weekend :3 Mar 11 05:49:06 or, got most of the way there, at least Mar 11 06:48:32 hmm, now the cpu with the most cores in my office is not x86 any more Mar 11 06:49:55 what new toy? Mar 11 06:52:15 av500: I'd expect most socs had more ip-cores than your desktop anyway Mar 11 06:56:31 mru: something I talked roger out of Mar 11 06:58:13 mru: it even has a fan Mar 11 06:58:30 does it have a 2? Mar 11 06:59:19 no idea Mar 11 06:59:32 it came in the mail Mar 11 07:02:29 now, if somebody would port libav on it Mar 11 07:10:37 Investigating a system that hangs at boot. Just prints 40W. The boot partition contained MLO, u-boot.img and an active image marker. Wiped the parition and put the same contents there (same md5sums), and now it boots. Remind me, is the logical? Mar 11 07:11:38 should have pulled an image before wiping Mar 11 07:11:44 then one could compare Mar 11 07:15:17 yah. rookie mistake. I blame it on missing coffee (and a deep desire to mark the ticket as "can't reproduce") Mar 11 07:16:04 but, from what we know? the order of those files don't matter if the card is partitioned correctly? Mar 11 07:17:50 it should not matter Mar 11 07:18:11 but I am willing to believe that the boot ROM can stumble over something in the fat root dir that it does not like Mar 11 07:18:58 tasslehoff: how did the card get in that state? Mar 11 07:19:10 writing new MLO and uboot and uimage all the time? Mar 11 07:21:11 av500: guilty as charged. put it in for stresstesting in early development, and since it never broke anything I kept it there. Mar 11 07:21:29 uImage is on the rootfs-partitions Mar 11 07:23:45 but today I will start comparing checksums and only upgrade the boot partition if I need to! Mar 11 07:24:13 tasslehoff: well, keep in stress testing, but next time keep the non-booting card Mar 11 07:24:16 keep on* Mar 11 07:38:15 detect all the edges! Mar 11 07:41:05 we're living on the edge! Mar 11 07:42:22 ynezz's rule #1: do not use SD cards Mar 11 07:43:32 tasslehoff: and yes, order of those files sometimes matters Mar 11 07:45:09 gah, what's it with those pesky blue leds? Mar 11 07:45:21 we are over them in cars and now they are on all EVMS.... Mar 11 07:45:28 We have had problems with unitialized memory (on the XM) causing MLO to output crap even if the board was removed from power. Mar 11 07:45:51 that's spooky Mar 11 07:45:54 only inserting a "good" card back was the way to retore the board. Mar 11 07:46:16 unitialized memory where? Mar 11 07:47:40 av500: is was just our command line what was not null terminated (so after u-boot) but where the corruption occured I have no clue. Mar 11 07:48:02 We where strating to think of broken boards Mar 11 07:48:43 sorry, now you got me confused Mar 11 07:48:58 you did not terminate your kernel command line? Mar 11 07:49:02 (and command line also contained the serial to use). but to be clear" we removed power and the SD-card and the device sill would output crap Mar 11 07:49:07 ynezz: what does sometimes mean in this case? Mar 11 07:49:15 random Mar 11 07:49:32 ah, that's one of the worst sometimes Mar 11 07:52:40 * mranostay trolls Mar 11 07:52:55 * av500 edge-detects mranostay Mar 11 07:53:24 rising or falling? Mar 11 07:55:16 glitching Mar 11 07:55:41 does it matter? Mar 11 07:55:54 they get you coming or going anyway :P Mar 11 08:01:31 done: http://i.imgur.com/rnVa1EU.png Mar 11 08:10:31 av500: cute Mar 11 08:11:51 3.8ms on 8 cores Mar 11 08:17:31 mranostay: Giggity. Mar 11 08:34:02 one cold morning down there in the Bulgaria: "A13-OLinuXino GPIO Python libraries, EDIT: Maximum GPIO toggle speed via Python is 101 kHz" Mar 11 08:35:21 101kHz oughta be enough for everybody Mar 11 08:36:08 wouldn't it be better to create libgpio in C, wrap it inside JNI and use it in Mono via IronPython? Mar 11 08:36:17 101.5kHz might be possible Mar 11 08:37:33 maybe mru could write hand optimized gpio.S and bring us the allwinning almost 150kHz! Mar 11 08:37:53 anyone recommedn / read this book Mar 11 08:37:54 http://www.amazon.com/Embedded-Real-time-Applications-Technology-ebook/dp/B00A8HEF0G/ref=tmm_kin_title_0 Mar 11 08:39:36 there is a preview PDF on the internet Mar 11 08:40:14 or buy it for kindle and if you don't like it just return it back... Mar 11 08:41:28 hmm, it explains RTAI for 2.4.x Mar 11 08:42:30 2.4.18 Mar 11 08:42:33 a tad old Mar 11 08:42:35 a book is probably always going to be out of date Mar 11 08:42:42 right Mar 11 08:42:42 its only publishd nov Mar 11 08:42:50 isn't that the definition of a book? Mar 11 08:43:27 ok, bought it Mar 11 08:43:34 not stressed about $39.00 but Mar 11 08:43:37 mrpackethead: inside it says 2003 Mar 11 08:43:43 first edition Mar 11 08:43:47 maybe the ebook is new Mar 11 08:43:55 3rd edition is Dec 2012 Mar 11 08:43:57 morning Mar 11 08:44:06 XorA: for whom? ;) Mar 11 08:44:09 moaning XorA Mar 11 08:44:15 Substantially updated to focus on a specific ARM-based single board computer (SBC) as a target for embedded application programming Mar 11 08:44:15 wtf did you do to the weather? Mar 11 08:44:35 might learn somerthign Mar 11 08:44:39 * LetoThe2nd sings "everywhere you gohoho, always take the weather..." Mar 11 08:44:46 mru: yeah bit of a culture shock that Mar 11 08:45:44 ah,reach fo the ipad mini Mar 11 08:45:47 and its downloaded Mar 11 08:45:49 and i have it Mar 11 08:46:04 ipad mini jsut works for me Mar 11 08:46:08 and i dpont' care what you think Mar 11 08:46:09 :-) Mar 11 08:49:24 evne talks about the bone Mar 11 08:53:23 mru, how ix it XorA's Fault? Mar 11 08:53:45 he's in britain too Mar 11 08:54:02 ... Mar 11 08:54:03 and he turned up at a convenient time for blaming Mar 11 08:54:29 today was 24 and comfortable. Mar 11 08:54:41 clearly you are not in britain Mar 11 08:55:02 no, I'm on the Riviera Mar 11 08:57:28 wtf, someone just posted a message to a ti calculator mailing list that's been silent for like 15 years Mar 11 08:57:37 I'd forgotten I was on it Mar 11 08:57:49 and bizarrely, the email address I used still works Mar 11 08:57:50 and it was not spam? Mar 11 08:57:53 no, not spam Mar 11 08:58:00 Stone Knives and Bear Skins Mar 11 09:05:43 gm Mar 11 09:05:53 ola Mar 11 09:43:08 is there a reason the bone kernel is 4.5MB? Mar 11 09:43:14 it is multiarch with x86? Mar 11 09:43:18 and ppc? Mar 11 09:45:21 av500: is the powermanagement firmware baked in, how big is that..? Mar 11 09:46:19 ah no, it's tiny Mar 11 09:46:26 -rw-r--r-- 1 jack users 11K Jan 30 10:02 am335x-pm-firmware.bin Mar 11 09:48:24 av500, debugging? Mar 11 09:50:27 panto: wondering why tftp is so slow :) Mar 11 09:50:34 and why the kernel is that big Mar 11 09:50:45 maybe you should have another cup of coffee Mar 11 09:51:32 I cannot have a coffee each time a kerne loads Mar 11 09:51:34 +l Mar 11 09:52:09 btw, I solved my systemd crash by using buildroot instead :) Mar 11 09:52:25 http://www.flickr.com/photos/emdot/9938521/ Mar 11 09:52:27 av500, so the answer is that the kernel is multi-arch - contains support for a whole bunch of other boards Mar 11 11:34:09 panto, does it have to? why? Mar 11 11:36:36 mdp, cause the end game is to boot the same kernel to bone/evm/beagleboard/fooboard Mar 11 11:36:52 the real reason is no-one took the time to clean up the kernel config Mar 11 11:37:08 right Mar 11 11:37:34 leading question :) Mar 11 11:43:29 I have a beagleboard xm and I've followed the directions here: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ , putting MLO and u-boot.img into the first partition (in that order) and putting the Ansgtrom-Beagleboard-demo* into the second partition. I have a minicom session open and I see it starts to boot and gets as far as saying that it's 'done' uncompressing the kernel, but then it just hangs Mar 11 11:43:57 I notice some of the green leds are blinking, but otherwise nothing seems to be happening Mar 11 11:44:00 any suggestions? Mar 11 11:44:45 wrong serial console in your kernel commandline? Mar 11 11:47:07 ynezz, how do I see what it is and change it? Mar 11 11:47:33 eyes and keyboard? Mar 11 11:49:08 a monitor might help too Mar 11 11:49:27 although you could bitbang it in morse code on the numlock led Mar 11 11:49:38 no smoke signal? Mar 11 11:50:15 I only see a /dev/ttyUSB0 Mar 11 11:50:16 ... Mar 11 11:51:27 mru, don't forget to use error correcting code Mar 11 11:54:11 ok, maybe my sd card is too slow? https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/IJBO2-wwBOc Mar 11 11:55:06 SD can usually handle 115k baudrate just fine Mar 11 11:59:08 hmm, any other ideas? Mar 11 12:00:17 what's your kernel version and how does your kernel commandline looks like? Mar 11 12:01:14 I grabbed the first one of of this list: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ Mar 11 12:11:14 how do I find out the kernel command line arguments? And looking at the uncompressed file, it looks like it's kernel 2.6.32 Mar 11 12:12:54 cat /proc/cmdline Mar 11 12:13:21 2.6.32 still used ttyS0 Mar 11 12:13:24 <_av500_> panto: which he cannot do Mar 11 12:13:33 <_av500_> if all he is seeing is "uncompressing" Mar 11 12:13:40 ah Mar 11 12:13:45 yeah Mar 11 12:13:58 well, he can stop the bootsequence and examine Mar 11 12:14:01 pretty sure the newer uboot sets up ttyO2 Mar 11 12:14:08 <_av500_> actually it would make sens if the uboot scripts would echo the kernel command line before booting Mar 11 12:14:09 thurbad, +1 Mar 11 12:14:19 _av500_, +1 Mar 11 12:14:22 <_av500_> that would make support much easier Mar 11 12:14:35 I have a serial to usb converter... Mar 11 12:14:50 <_av500_> that is fine Mar 11 12:14:50 <_av500_> its works Mar 11 12:14:57 <_av500_> since you see uboot messages Mar 11 12:15:02 So this shows up as ttyUSB0 I believe. This is where I set minicom to point to and where I see the uncompressing message Mar 11 12:15:07 <_av500_> yes Mar 11 12:15:10 <_av500_> that part is fine Mar 11 12:15:15 Should I stop it mid boot and examine state? Mar 11 12:15:29 <_av500_> that wont help you for the Uenv.txt part Mar 11 12:15:34 <_av500_> since that is read after Mar 11 12:15:39 <_av500_> glorious design Mar 11 12:15:51 <_av500_> but yes, please do Mar 11 12:15:56 I did see a 'missing uEnv.txt' message... Mar 11 12:16:00 ok, let me do that now... Mar 11 12:16:14 <_av500_> stpo the boot, "print" and pastebin the result Mar 11 12:16:16 _av500_: don't complain, fix it Mar 11 12:16:26 upstream and everywhere Mar 11 12:16:33 <_av500_> aholler: but complaining is easier Mar 11 12:17:27 yeah,no knoledge necessary Mar 11 12:17:40 <_av500_> aholler: not true, some knowledge is needed Mar 11 12:18:13 who needs knowledge when there are exact steps? Mar 11 12:18:22 o/ Mar 11 12:19:43 * _av500_ goes to apply eye drops Mar 11 12:20:05 * KotH wouldnt put drops into his eyes Mar 11 12:20:21 depends on the flavour, no ? Mar 11 12:20:39 yeah.. chilli-mint is particullarly nasty Mar 11 12:22:36 <_av500_> antibiotics :( Mar 11 12:22:53 bah Mar 11 12:23:05 eye-roids Mar 11 12:23:14 http://pastebin.com/0dQ5ZfAU Mar 11 12:24:37 start a fresh uEnv.txt and put this in there: console=ttyS0,115200n8 Mar 11 12:24:38 _av500_: what did you do to your poor eyes? Mar 11 12:24:53 thurbad, where should I place the uEnv.txt? Mar 11 12:24:54 or download a newer kernel Mar 11 12:24:58 S2, not S0 Mar 11 12:24:59 link? Mar 11 12:25:15 uEnv.txt goes in the boot partition Mar 11 12:25:40 the kernel goes in /boot on the rootfs (if you go with a newer one) Mar 11 12:25:56 <_av500_> kernel he seem sto have already Mar 11 12:26:01 <_av500_> KotH: some infection Mar 11 12:26:09 <_av500_> linked to the flu that goes round or so Mar 11 12:26:43 yeah, but the kernel comes in the rootfs in the demo area is still 2.6.32 Mar 11 12:28:19 _av500_: you should keep the flu in your lungs and not let it go up to your eyes Mar 11 12:28:35 better thann getting to your brain Mar 11 12:28:47 yeah.. Mar 11 12:28:52 but very few bugs make it that far Mar 11 12:29:30 actually, i'm not even sure i know of any bug that gets as far as that Mar 11 12:29:34 thurbad, so you're suggesting I place MLO, u-boot.img and uEnv.txt in the boot partition (in that order) and the Angstrom-Beagleboard-demo* into the root partition and try again? Mar 11 12:30:04 don't need to reinstall the rootfs Mar 11 12:30:23 so just putt the uEnv.txt file in? Mar 11 12:30:24 MLO and u-boot don't need changing either Mar 11 12:30:31 that's one option Mar 11 12:31:05 I'd modify dvimode as well unless your monitor can handle 640x480 Mar 11 12:31:37 I don't have a monitor right now Mar 11 12:31:42 ah... Mar 11 12:31:58 that makes debugging so much more fun :) Mar 11 12:33:17 time to tryto beat the SxSW traffic/parking jams Mar 11 12:36:36 so, what should I be looking for now? Mar 11 12:42:17 Hereś what the output I'm getting: http://pastebin.com/RuphMNw5 Mar 11 12:43:12 uEnv.txt is in the boot partition and has just one line in it: 'console=ttyS0,115200n8' Mar 11 12:48:59 does 2.6.32 already have the ttyO2 driver? Mar 11 12:49:05 no Mar 11 13:02:42 abetusk_w: as said above, S2 instead of S0 Mar 11 13:09:35 <_av500_> adding "uenvcmd=printenv" might help to debug Mar 11 13:13:03 aholler, thanks, now I see a kernel messages Mar 11 13:15:05 ok, this is perhaps where it's stuck? http://pastebin.com/jgZJedMj Mar 11 13:18:30 pastebin the whole bootlog Mar 11 13:22:19 also it looks like that demo is set to use the dsp codecs, using a memory hole in usually with mem=99M@80000000, mem=128@88000000 Mar 11 13:22:27 err 128M Mar 11 13:22:42 or 384M if you're on an xM Mar 11 13:24:40 sorry, I've got to go to work, thanks for all the help. I'll be on later tonight and tomorrow Mar 11 13:48:15 * KotH doesnt feel like working Mar 11 13:48:19 must be monday Mar 11 13:48:37 or friday Mar 11 13:48:42 or wednesday Mar 11 13:48:45 or tuesday Mar 11 13:48:48 or thursday Mar 11 13:50:43 hi Mar 11 13:50:58 I need instructions in how make working wifi Mar 11 13:51:26 at the moment I edited /etc/network/interfaces with wlan0 Mar 11 13:51:31 but nothing happen Mar 11 13:52:00 Giusepppe: does this help? http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/45801-18-sporadic-disconnection-wifi-intel-centrino-advanced-6205 Mar 11 13:52:34 If not, you had better say which board and which wifi you are using... Mar 11 13:52:42 jok Mar 11 13:52:51 I'm using am335x SK texas Mar 11 13:53:00 and wl1271 chip Mar 11 13:53:14 it is a configuration quite similar to the BB Mar 11 13:53:51 I have in lib/firmware/ti-connectivity all the driver required Mar 11 13:54:02 but when I ifconfig wlan0 up Mar 11 13:54:45 I get wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Mar 11 13:54:54 in lshw Mar 11 13:55:02 it doesn't appear Mar 11 13:55:09 what does `ifconfig -a` list? Mar 11 13:56:10 Giusepppe: this is the channel for beaglebone support Mar 11 13:56:23 Giusepppe: the evm-sk is a TI product, so you need to ask TI for help Mar 11 13:56:35 http://pastebin.com/05kc327d Mar 11 13:56:42 this is most definitely *NOT* a support channel for TI products Mar 11 13:57:14 ok but I was right, I could say that I have a bb Mar 11 13:57:22 and you wuld help me Mar 11 13:57:37 yep, join the channel with another nick Mar 11 13:57:45 and ask again Mar 11 13:57:49 yeah, be that guy Mar 11 13:58:00 ok but please Mar 11 13:58:05 coudl you give me some hint Mar 11 13:58:06 ? Mar 11 13:58:20 Giusepppe: yes, post to e2e.ti.com Mar 11 13:58:45 dmesg Mar 11 13:58:51 ok thank you. Rememder: what goes around comes aroung Mar 11 13:58:58 bye Mar 11 13:59:17 aroung he said Mar 11 13:59:26 wroung Mar 11 13:59:38 me has wroung wifi dlivers Mar 11 14:00:04 divers arn't that good for over the air communication Mar 11 14:00:16 holy diver Mar 11 14:00:18 heya koen Mar 11 14:01:00 wen you were messing around with ogre, you didn't by chance port to the framebuffer, did you? Mar 11 14:01:43 <_av500_> koen: expect no help when posting your beaglebone question on e2e :) Mar 11 14:02:01 since when it's bone only channel? Mar 11 14:02:13 <_av500_> nobody said that Mar 11 14:02:15 can I stay here if I have only C4 ticket? Mar 11 14:02:45 <_av500_> 15minutes max Mar 11 14:03:12 then we feed you to the trolls Mar 11 14:03:40 av500: 14:56:07 < koen> Giusepppe: this is the channel for beaglebone support Mar 11 14:03:53 :( Mar 11 14:04:12 thurbad: nope, just gles/x11 Mar 11 14:04:38 koen: ok, guess I have anew side project then :P Mar 11 14:04:45 _av500_: why would I expect help from e2e.ti.com at all? Mar 11 14:05:18 because of that e2e ;) Mar 11 14:05:46 <_av500_> koen: because somebody there wants to get his 10000 replies badge Mar 11 14:06:46 do they have those funny employee of the month pictures? Mar 11 14:11:38 hmm, I forgot, those got replaced by fb's +1 Mar 11 14:11:44 koen: cause people are forced to answer? Mar 11 14:12:49 koen, it's coming around to getcha ;) Mar 11 14:13:25 no doubt, some of the answers are really great Mar 11 14:13:47 some suck, some are, indeed, really great Mar 11 14:13:52 I see it as a nice support channel Mar 11 14:17:15 it's monday, everything excused Mar 11 14:24:40 a day of leniency Mar 11 14:24:47 it won't last Mar 11 14:28:57 * KotH goes for the chocolate Mar 11 14:29:33 although, that wont last either, it will help to prolong this day of leniency Mar 11 15:07:30 ok, connman getting my goat. what have people used in the past for embedded linux network management, simple ethernet, manual IP or dhcp options Mar 11 15:08:56 The built-in networking in Linux. Mar 11 15:09:01 No connection manager at all. Mar 11 15:09:41 See `man interfaces` Mar 11 15:10:05 agmlego: thanks I'll take a look Mar 11 15:10:40 <_av500_> jackmitchell: ifconfig Mar 11 15:10:48 <_av500_> ifup/ifdown Mar 11 15:10:54 <_av500_> and/or dhcp Mar 11 15:11:13 <_av500_> the con men arrived with wifi Mar 11 15:12:05 jackmitchell: Note that, as _av500_ said, wireless management is much more convoluted than it ought to be using those methods--for that, i recommend wicd. For wired, though? Just use the stuff given to you already, no need for a manager. Mar 11 15:12:37 for wireless I use wpa_supplicant Mar 11 15:12:43 seems simple enough to me Mar 11 15:12:56 ok, thanks; I don't need any wireless features at the moment Mar 11 15:13:32 for wired I use the tools in the iproute2 package Mar 11 15:14:24 mru: looks good; thanks for the heads up Mar 11 15:14:58 or dhcp of course Mar 11 15:15:53 after I thought I was going down the simple route with connman; some good old man pages and well defined (specific) api is a godsend Mar 11 15:16:24 <_av500_> connman is easy Mar 11 15:16:36 <_av500_> if you are well versed in writing dbus commands by hand Mar 11 15:16:38 I have never used _any_ so-called network manager and never missed one Mar 11 15:16:45 connman is not easy Mar 11 15:17:36 dbus is fairly easy Mar 11 15:17:45 getting your head round the connman way of doing things, is not Mar 11 15:27:12 <_av500_> I wonder if that can be ported to beagle: http://hwstartup.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/how-to-run-an-arduino-on-a-9v-battery-for-weeks-or-months/ Mar 11 15:29:28 nothing a soldering iron cannot solve Mar 11 15:30:07 getting a couple of days out is not much of a problem, as long as you are not space constrained Mar 11 15:30:31 getting to >1year is usally constrained by the self discharge of batteries Mar 11 15:30:53 stick a solar panel on top Mar 11 15:31:42 when going over that, you are usually concerned about creeping currents on the board itself and tend to coat everything with a low-hygroscopic resin Mar 11 15:32:57 <_av500_> koen: I keep all my arduino covered in salad oil Mar 11 15:33:15 koen: run before _av500_ turns you into a salad! Mar 11 15:33:22 <_av500_> bah Mar 11 15:33:25 *g* Mar 11 15:33:34 <_av500_> KotH too Mar 11 15:33:45 actually, oil is not a good isolator Mar 11 15:34:01 <_av500_> put some PCB inside Mar 11 15:34:11 most oils are quite hygroscopic and you get a lot of current flowing trough the liquid Mar 11 15:34:31 hellooooooooo! Mar 11 15:34:37 echooooooo! Mar 11 15:34:47 troooooooll Mar 11 15:37:40 m4444444444444444444444 Mar 11 15:37:55 droooooooolll Mar 11 15:38:04 <_av500_> kids... Mar 11 15:38:32 my m4 has become rusty... Mar 11 15:38:38 * KotH blames mranostay Mar 11 15:38:55 someone should have keep it oiled Mar 11 15:39:05 hope that's not the m4 macro language? Mar 11 15:39:12 <_av500_> mranostay: its called orced now Mar 11 15:39:12 it is the m4 macro language Mar 11 15:39:13 yay m4 macros Mar 11 15:39:27 man, I had to mess with it today too Mar 11 15:39:30 hehe Mar 11 15:39:41 4 lines==2h Mar 11 15:39:43 i havent messed with it since since my master thesis Mar 11 15:40:04 * KotH used m4, perl, gnuplot and ploticus to replace matlab Mar 11 15:40:21 _av500_: should be easy to port..just use the wiring/energia stuff, port and I'm sure beagle PM will just work Mar 11 15:40:31 _easy_ Mar 11 15:40:34 panto: hehe.. i know that feeling Mar 11 15:40:56 panto: i remember how i spend half a day to get the quotes on one macro right Mar 11 15:41:10 m4... it never changes... Mar 11 15:41:10 dnl Mar 11 15:41:39 panto, that's an intern job, get one Mar 11 15:41:49 * panto looks around Mar 11 15:42:04 I'm not sure that I'd want my wife to spend her day with m4 macros Mar 11 15:42:12 heh Mar 11 15:42:25 panto: you don't trust them? Mar 11 15:42:47 no, I'd like to keep un-murdered Mar 11 15:43:01 oh, you don't trust _her_ Mar 11 15:43:09 <_av500_> who does Mar 11 15:43:10 mru: she is greek Mar 11 15:43:24 _av500_: i wouldnt trust a serbian girl either ;) Mar 11 15:43:28 * mru has met a few greek girls, wouldn't trust them Mar 11 15:43:40 <_av500_> mranostay: keep cards ready Mar 11 15:43:42 gee, so it's universal Mar 11 15:44:08 * panto launches creeper cards in the air: creeper cards for everybody Mar 11 15:45:09 * mdp snaps up a whole set Mar 11 15:45:44 mdp: i have dups you want to trade? Mar 11 15:45:57 panto: a gem for you: define(`X', `ifelse($#,0,, $#,1,`$1',`$1 X(shift($@))')') Mar 11 15:46:25 makes perl maintainable Mar 11 15:46:35 KotH: wtf is that? Mar 11 15:46:37 see, it serves a purpose Mar 11 15:46:41 ah m4 Mar 11 15:46:45 panto: hehe.. true Mar 11 15:46:46 it's job-security Mar 11 15:46:49 mranostay: that's m4 Mar 11 15:47:05 aholler: except i wouldn't want that job :P Mar 11 15:47:09 mranostay: actually a macro definition in m4... and the one macro i most heavily used in my master thesis :) Mar 11 15:47:29 you did a master thesis on m4 macros? Mar 11 15:47:52 mranostay: prerequisite for doing a phd Mar 11 15:47:52 mranostay: in perl it would read as join @_,' ' Mar 11 15:48:05 reverse that Mar 11 15:49:11 mranostay, yes, let's get the kid down the street too..he's got some good cards..we can flip them in my parents' garage :P Mar 11 15:50:28 good morning Mar 11 15:50:31 gm Mar 11 15:50:44 it is morning for sure Mar 11 15:50:53 too early to call good Mar 11 15:51:00 mourning Mar 11 15:51:07 oh guiseppe, slept good? Mar 11 15:51:36 I'm not giuseppe Mar 11 15:52:03 nor am I Mar 11 15:52:13 <_av500_> i'm sometimes Mar 11 15:52:13 i might be Mar 11 15:52:18 noone is Giuseppe here I guess Mar 11 15:52:23 I'm a real boy Mar 11 15:52:37 I'm a cute girl blonde with big boobs Mar 11 15:52:53 mranostay: my m4 career started with https://ece.uwaterloo.ca/~aplevich/Circuit_macros/ Mar 11 15:53:13 mranostay: needed some tool to draw electronic circuits in latex.. and that was the best option Mar 11 15:54:30 LaTeX++ Mar 11 15:55:06 +3 Mar 11 15:55:33 * mranostay hands mdp a card Mar 11 15:56:38 next try ;) Mar 11 15:58:51 * mdp accepts the card and hands mranostay a signed copy of imake to run his company builds Mar 11 16:00:06 ooh Mar 11 16:00:08 imake Mar 11 16:00:12 haven't used that in a while Mar 11 16:00:14 xmkmf Mar 11 16:00:20 that too Mar 11 16:01:08 *barf* Mar 11 16:06:17 those were the days. Mar 11 16:06:44 emeb, no they were not, those were the parts of the days that sucked :) Mar 11 16:07:15 koen, objective: let mranostay learn the hard way. Mar 11 16:08:09 panto: I didn't say they were good days. :) Mar 11 16:08:17 hehe Mar 11 16:08:25 at least we were younger Mar 11 16:08:35 our whole lives ahead of us Mar 11 16:08:40 little did we know... Mar 11 16:09:02 hi woglinde Mar 11 16:09:21 back when you thought you could change the world ;) Mar 11 16:10:00 you mean i can't? Mar 11 16:11:39 no Mar 11 16:11:53 wait, nm...go ahead and try Mar 11 16:12:02 * panto passes the popcorn to mdp Mar 11 16:12:31 everyone changes the world. Just not very much. Mar 11 16:12:55 and rarely for the better Mar 11 16:12:56 jo panto Mar 11 16:13:04 and trools Mar 11 16:13:19 if i can't live to see it why should i care? :) Mar 11 16:13:54 * KotH kills mranostay with a bomb belt Mar 11 16:14:13