**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 14 02:59:58 2013 Mar 14 04:38:40 yawn Mar 14 04:45:28 ka6sox: wake up? Mar 14 04:45:39 #migraine Mar 14 04:50:37 aww - that's so sweet. a hello kitty. Mar 14 04:51:06 emeb_mac, he DID that to me! Mar 14 04:51:31 which came first - the hello kitty or the migraine? Mar 14 04:52:12 migraine Mar 14 04:52:22 thats what the aura reminded me of! Mar 14 04:54:39 hello kitty shaped migraine aura. I bet sanrio has a copyright on that. Mar 14 04:59:10 uh oh Mar 14 05:03:42 i didn't know Hello Kitty has been around since 1976 Mar 14 05:04:20 yes, I remember that they put them up @ the Prom :P Mar 14 05:23:19 i better sleep Mar 14 05:23:32 * mranostay grumbles and sets alarm for 4:30a Mar 14 05:27:10 mranostay, sleep is a LIE. Mar 14 05:29:02 just like cake Mar 14 05:29:22 sleep + cake = waking up covered in frosting. Mar 14 05:32:55 sleep walking + cake = cake walk? Mar 14 05:43:39 mranostay: you here Mar 14 05:50:43 mdp, was it you that had a beaglebone acting as an SPI slave device? Mar 14 05:55:24 emeb_mac, did you have it doing that to load the FPGA? Mar 14 05:56:29 ka6sox: the beaglebone FPGA cape has the 'bone as SPI master and FPGA as slave. Mar 14 05:56:49 kk Mar 14 05:57:15 I need to spy on some SPI transactions Mar 14 06:02:12 fpga likes to write spi flash, fpga likes to read spi flash, fpga doesn't like to load configuration from spi flash Mar 14 06:02:42 Russ: what fpga? Mar 14 06:02:48 virtex-6 Mar 14 06:04:31 huh. Mar 14 06:04:53 v6 is newer than S3A that I'm using and they can cfg from spi flash. Mar 14 06:07:41 yes, people do use the n25q spi part to configure the virtex-6, there is just something not right with my setup, my bitstream options, or my impact configuration Mar 14 06:07:53 Russ, is the flash configured for multiple different MCS files? and if so are the right pins grounded? Mar 14 06:08:02 sorry bit files Mar 14 06:08:28 I'm not sure what that question means, I have an mcs file Mar 14 06:09:11 my M[2:0] pins show up in device status as I'd expect Mar 14 06:09:31 there is a way to "partition" a flash with more than 1 programme...and then the pins define which programme to load. Mar 14 06:09:53 I'm not doing that, I'm just programming at 0 Mar 14 06:10:03 ah,...okay Mar 14 06:10:14 the V5 project I'm working on has multiple Mar 14 06:10:38 I program my spi flash from the 'bone thru the FPGA. contents of the spi flash is same as the master bitstream. Mar 14 06:11:02 ie - 'bone can load either the FPGA or the spi flash. Mar 14 06:11:09 happy hppay.. Mar 14 06:11:20 PRU GPIO works Mar 14 06:11:25 this is good Mar 14 06:11:42 at power up the FPGA always reads from the spi flash, but 'bone can override and force cfg at any time. Mar 14 06:12:06 I'd like to get to that point in the future, where I can use the fpga to program the spi without the impact tool Mar 14 06:12:30 indirect programming with the impact tool is way too slow Mar 14 06:13:02 it's not hard Mar 14 06:13:52 all the necessary stuff for that is here: https://github.com/emeb/bcc_lib Mar 14 06:14:14 (for S3A - mod for V6 left as exercise for reader) Mar 14 06:14:54 ah, in this case, I don't actually have a bone Mar 14 06:15:04 the fpga itself would need to program its own spi flash Mar 14 06:17:47 http://hastebin.com/tijosiwusa.vhdl Mar 14 06:18:12 it programs it ok, it reads it back ok, but then configuration fails Mar 14 06:18:18 crc error Mar 14 06:19:47 lines 103-105 Mar 14 06:20:00 weren't those all supposed to be Zero? Mar 14 06:22:31 the setting tells the virtex-6 to use the n25q fastread command Mar 14 06:22:59 'Recommended x1 Fast Read command, used by supported Numonyx and compatible devices.' Mar 14 06:23:40 'Continuous read of entire memory via single instruction' Mar 14 06:25:18 are those the mode pins or the SPI FLASH SELECT PIN[0:2]? Mar 14 06:25:47 the mode pins are on lines 89-91 Mar 14 06:26:38 you are reading from UG360? Mar 14 06:27:06 yes Mar 14 06:29:10 I wonder if it's possible to bitbang an ISA port. Mar 14 06:32:37 Russ, is it possible to do 101 on the FS[2:0] pins? Mar 14 06:33:47 slower to load but maybe a debugging step. Mar 14 06:34:32 not possible to modify the fs pins Mar 14 06:34:39 :( Mar 14 06:34:55 which is why it'd be nice to spy on the spi bus Mar 14 06:35:15 it should be going at 2MHz, so its hard to see a SI problem Mar 14 06:35:36 the Numonyx parts are BGA or some QFP? Mar 14 06:35:54 qfn Mar 14 06:36:03 but I have test points for spi Mar 14 06:36:52 you can sample cclk and din? Mar 14 06:37:10 I have easy access to both Mar 14 06:37:24 then a LA is your friend Mar 14 06:37:34 but I don't have one, but I do have a beaglebone Mar 14 06:37:59 did someone do a LA setup on one? Mar 14 06:38:14 that would be an easy app for the BCC Mar 14 06:38:35 yarn Mar 14 06:38:48 quite Mar 14 06:41:14 or maybe open workbench logic sniffer? Mar 14 06:41:28 that might work. Mar 14 06:41:54 does this still use 2v5 between the SPI flash and the V6? Mar 14 06:42:10 its all 1.8V Mar 14 06:42:11 p Mar 14 06:42:28 could be "iffy" Mar 14 06:44:41 hmmm...what would be really nice is sigrok support for the am335x prus Mar 14 06:45:11 if they did that, I'd forgive all of the beagle short comings!!! Mar 14 06:45:26 Russ: that is my plan.. Mar 14 06:45:32 * mranostay goes to sleep for realz now Mar 14 06:45:34 well get on it! Mar 14 06:45:38 don't sleep! Mar 14 06:45:50 Actually, could the GPMC be used for PCI or ISA? It has enough address/data lines Mar 14 06:45:56 ka6sox, hmm...wonder if I have to program the n25q non-volatile config register Mar 14 06:46:19 Shadyman: ISA, sure... PCI has other overhead so not directly Mar 14 06:46:25 ah Mar 14 06:46:38 ds2: Parity calculations and such? Mar 14 06:46:54 multiple address space Mar 14 06:46:59 reflected wave system Mar 14 06:47:03 just to name a few Mar 14 06:47:19 ew Mar 14 06:47:30 could be worse, could be differential data pairs like PCIe ;) Mar 14 06:47:38 PCIe is more fun... Mar 14 06:47:58 Shadyman, naw...thats easy comparatively. Mar 14 06:48:23 diff is easier then reflected stuff Mar 14 06:48:25 PCI, y u no easy ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Mar 14 06:48:39 ds2, +1 Mar 14 06:49:01 the DVI-D output on the classic is differential Mar 14 06:49:26 Shadyman, and the docs are non-free Mar 14 06:49:33 Of course Mar 14 06:49:42 whereas I actually have the entire ISA spec around here somewhere Mar 14 06:49:46 in 2 books I think Mar 14 06:50:06 got it free from the library's "We're dumping these. Take'em if you want'em" table. Mar 14 06:50:14 RocketIO FTW Mar 14 06:50:33 ISA is more or less the Intel 8086/80286 bus Mar 14 06:50:38 yeah Mar 14 06:51:21 so inherently fairly simple Mar 14 06:52:59 just be glad its not Multi-Bus Mar 14 06:53:19 heck, I think the ft2232h might speak isa Mar 14 06:53:25 wat Mar 14 06:53:27 * ds2 dates ka6sox ;) Mar 14 06:53:28 :) Mar 14 06:53:39 ds2: Are you going to buy him flowers? Mar 14 06:53:47 * av500 throws the people some DMA channel jumpers Mar 14 06:53:52 leeloo dallas multi-bus? Mar 14 06:54:18 Haha, I have that card http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adlib.jpg :D Mar 14 06:54:32 Russ, I had to implement the chips for Multi-Bus in a Spartan2 Mar 14 06:54:33 I had that once Mar 14 06:55:04 is Multibus same as the MBUS on the Sparc's? Mar 14 06:56:23 wikipedia say no Mar 14 06:58:17 ds2, I did have an original S-100 system...brand new! Mar 14 06:58:33 who made it? Mar 14 06:58:43 everyone... Mar 14 06:58:50 Tarbell Disk Reader Mar 14 06:58:57 Altos Memory Mar 14 06:59:03 I mean the one you have Mar 14 06:59:07 not who used it Mar 14 06:59:39 it was a SychoBillic Cadillac...it was assembled from things I found. Mar 14 06:59:44 Of course the biggest pain with ISA will be buffering everything to 3.3V levels Mar 14 06:59:56 eh? Mar 14 07:00:05 buffering the ISA signals to 3.3V is trivial Mar 14 07:00:06 74lvc245 Mar 14 07:00:10 ^ Mar 14 07:00:12 whole buncha those Mar 14 07:00:22 it is like the second thing they teach you in the microprocessor class Mar 14 07:00:32 heh Mar 14 07:00:41 trivial, yes, but plenty of time in schematics-drawing Mar 14 07:00:54 blah Mar 14 07:01:00 too much copypasta Mar 14 07:01:00 not at all time consuming Mar 14 07:01:01 * Shadyman snickers. Mar 14 07:01:13 wirewrapping it is the most annoying part Mar 14 07:01:14 ka6sox, thoughts: http://i.imgur.com/js9T3d7.png http://i.imgur.com/tzz1w7b.png Mar 14 07:01:21 Okay, yes. Wirewrapping must die. Mar 14 07:01:36 the Bone can be wirewrapped Mar 14 07:01:38 ;) Mar 14 07:02:10 Whoa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa All I wanted was the ISA bus :x Mar 14 07:02:28 got it, but whoa that's a lot Mar 14 07:02:47 Russ that looks like what they are saying Mar 14 07:03:25 wirewrap all the things! Mar 14 07:03:46 can wirewrap help here? Mar 14 07:04:03 you could use a FPGA that doesn't use a EEPROM for loading Mar 14 07:04:07 I have a solderwrap BasicStamp2 system that is like 10yrs old and *still* working. Mar 14 07:04:36 just don't breathe on it Mar 14 07:04:51 it does somethign 2X/day Mar 14 07:05:27 I've replaced the Opto22 modules a bunch...but not the processor. Mar 14 07:06:21 now...how the hell to program that Mar 14 07:07:49 some FPGAs have internal flash Mar 14 07:08:55 'Then a special 32-bit synchronization word (0xAA995566) must be sent to the configuration logic. The synchronization word alerts the device to upcoming configuration data and aligns the configuration data with the internal configuration logic.' Mar 14 07:09:08 hmmm...so it shouldn't matter if it waits more than 8 cycles Mar 14 07:13:23 Russ, it'll just be a little slower Mar 14 07:13:38 think of this as CAS Latency Mar 14 07:15:49 1111 is perfectly fine Mar 14 07:16:48 "setup and hold time" Mar 14 07:17:33 from what I understand, the crc check is issued as a bitstream command at the end of programming Mar 14 07:17:48 so it must have gotten through the entire bitstream Mar 14 07:17:58 you can push out zeros too. Mar 14 07:18:19 I've seen this on our V5...just trying to remember what it was. Mar 14 07:18:54 the done bit never sets? Mar 14 07:19:27 only with jtag configuration Mar 14 07:25:23 do you have a blank board? Mar 14 07:27:43 I'm not sure what you mean Mar 14 07:27:59 an unpopulated board Mar 14 07:28:20 yes, but it'd be very expensive to populate Mar 14 07:28:47 http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/8542591023/ Mar 14 07:31:49 So the 74LCX can properly drive a 5V interface at 3.3V? Mar 14 07:32:16 iirc there are 2 buses Mar 14 07:32:28 one that can run @ 5v and the other @ 3v3 Mar 14 07:33:17 Hmm. There's only one VCC Mar 14 07:33:28 so no internal pull-ups to 5V Mar 14 07:33:52 I've used one a while ago that had 2 busses. Mar 14 07:34:03 ugh...4hrs till I have to get up Mar 14 07:34:19 same :x Mar 14 07:34:20 Russ, I'd poke the SPI and see what you can see. Mar 14 07:34:22 sleep is for the weak Mar 14 07:34:34 "you can sleep when you are DEAD" Mar 14 07:34:40 ka6sox: I'll hunt around for a dual bus one :) Thanks Mar 14 07:34:50 I found one for full-on Serial, btw Mar 14 07:35:41 Oh, I lied, that was for a parallel port Mar 14 07:35:48 74LVX161284 Mar 14 07:55:00 ka6sox: the '4245 seems to be the dual-bus one Mar 14 07:55:53 hrmph, I'm not sure that the open workbench logic sniffer can sniff 1.8V Mar 14 07:56:51 ugh Mar 14 07:57:10 Shadyman, yup Mar 14 07:57:23 okay time for a little sleep...4:30am comes too quickly Mar 14 07:57:40 :D Mar 14 07:57:43 g'nite Mar 14 08:45:27 moaning Mar 14 08:45:49 +1 Mar 14 08:46:18 -1 Mar 14 08:47:40 Russ: it cannot Mar 14 08:47:43 Russ: tried that already Mar 14 08:48:30 bummer Mar 14 08:48:52 maybe a pca9306 level translator? Mar 14 08:49:24 dont use bi-directional stuff if you dont need it Mar 14 08:49:35 i would use some lv* level translator Mar 14 08:49:41 single direction Mar 14 08:49:59 its just I can get the pca9306 really easily as it comes on a sparkfun breakout Mar 14 08:50:22 yes, but the bi-directionallity will screw you when you least expect it Mar 14 08:50:50 lv* in sop cases are still easy to solder by hand Mar 14 08:51:06 iirc some are sold in the old so-14 still Mar 14 08:51:16 its not the soldering, its the waiting for a pcb Mar 14 08:51:22 hm? Mar 14 08:51:35 i wouldnt do a pcb for a single chip :) Mar 14 08:51:35 then I need to oshpark a pcb and wait 2 weeks Mar 14 08:52:17 just glue it dead-bug on a breadboard and use some thin wire Mar 14 08:52:43 unless you are going very fast signals, that should be ok Mar 14 08:52:51 2MHz Mar 14 08:53:01 and if you are going fast, then use a copper plate as base material Mar 14 08:53:45 wel..2MHz is slow.. nothing to worry about Mar 14 08:53:59 i'd rather worry then about the rise/fall times of the lv* chips :) Mar 14 08:54:08 the edges are fast though, its a 108MHz bus that would be clocked at 2MHz Mar 14 08:54:48 so.. 500MHz-1GHz... not terribly fast, but wouldn't make a rats nest Mar 14 08:55:05 i have a writen a ALSA driver for tas5706 Mar 14 08:55:49 but no sound is comming Mar 14 08:56:08 having issue with ALSA playback also Mar 14 08:56:12 anyone can help Mar 14 08:56:54 john____: i think the problem is on line 137 Mar 14 08:58:02 Russ: 108MHz? what kind of bus is that? Mar 14 08:59:07 sorry i didnt get Mar 14 09:00:11 I know this qestion is not for this community but i hope that i can get some valuable feedback for my problem Mar 14 09:00:22 john____: you have give us no information at all. so all we can do to help you is guessing. Mar 14 09:00:37 john____: if you want help, you must tell more than just that you have a problem Mar 14 09:01:10 KotH: if the problem DOES turn out to be on line 137, you'll never be the same again. Mar 14 09:01:12 yep Mar 14 09:01:13 john____: www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Mar 14 09:01:27 on my android based hardware, we have used audio driver chip Mar 14 09:01:57 biot: http://m.xkcd.com/628/ :-) Mar 14 09:01:59 i have write a driver code for that and during boot up , my drive is registerd to alsa also Mar 14 09:02:57 but i got the "AudioTrack( 2141): obtainBuffer timed out (is the CPU pegged?)" Mar 14 09:03:52 after song playback i got "I/ServiceManager( 2720): Waiting for service media.audio_flinger..." Mar 14 09:04:08 what "android based hardwar"? Mar 14 09:04:11 how to fixed the above issue? Mar 14 09:04:18 what "android based hardware"? Mar 14 09:04:42 custome arm cortex-a9 based hardware Mar 14 09:05:00 and how is this beagle related? Mar 14 09:06:22 KotH, SPI Mar 14 09:07:42 john____: ??? Mar 14 09:09:09 its not beagle realted but its realated andriod porting Mar 14 09:12:09 this is not #android-porting Mar 14 09:14:49 this is #troll-bahnhof Mar 14 09:14:53 john____: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920021094.do Mar 14 09:16:10 koen thats Mar 14 09:16:13 thanks Mar 14 09:28:23 Russ: hmm.. why that odd number? Mar 14 09:30:50 dunno Mar 14 09:30:54 but these people are dorks Mar 14 09:30:57 http://gadgetforge.gadgetfactory.net/gf/project/ols-buffer/ Mar 14 09:31:18 they made a expansion board for the open workbench la with a dual voltage buffer Mar 14 09:31:26 hookup up both inputs to 3.3V Mar 14 09:32:08 3.3V is enough for everyone! Mar 14 09:32:46 maybe I'll order one of those and lift the pin Mar 14 09:37:14 you might also want to drop them a mail about that issue Mar 14 09:41:26 what was the frequency tolerance of RS-232 again? 5%? Mar 14 09:41:34 * KotH 's google foo is failing him Mar 14 09:44:30 ah.. found it.. it's 5% Mar 14 09:49:18 for whoever is interested, koen, jkridner; I managed to get pwm working with sysfs, it is possible with the pwm_test driver in the 3.8 tree and some devicetree additions; the driver is a bit sketchy in places and you have to be careful with it, but it works. Mar 14 09:50:05 ehrpwm, I haven't tested ecap Mar 14 09:51:44 just use a second beagle to sniff Mar 14 09:52:43 dogs do like to sniff one another Mar 14 09:52:53 is it a consensus that the OLS is the best of the current (cheap) bunch? Mar 14 09:55:09 jackmitchell: patches or it didn't happen :) Mar 14 09:56:43 jackmitchell: yes, OLS is top compared to all others i've seen Mar 14 09:57:04 jackmitchell: though, if you can spare a little more money i'd go for a sigma2 Mar 14 09:57:21 jackmitchell: the better software is worth the 150$ Mar 14 09:58:04 KotH: thanks! is the sigrok support decent on both do you know? Mar 14 09:58:27 jackmitchell: better on the OLS, but decent on both Mar 14 09:58:51 jackmitchell: last time i tried sigrok was >1y ago.. i didnt much luck it back than, but iirc purple does use it and it seems fine for him Mar 14 09:59:23 jackmitchell: but i can tell you that the software of the sigma2 is much better than sigrok... and probably will still be for a while Mar 14 10:00:01 biot: KotH: and cheers! Mar 14 10:00:07 only draw back: no native linux support Mar 14 10:00:21 does sigma2 do 1.8V? Mar 14 10:00:34 'Input threshold level is suitable for TTL, LVTTL and 2.7 to 5.5V CMOS levels' bah Mar 14 10:00:41 Russ: nope.. doesnt :-( Mar 14 10:01:19 maybe I can go to a hackerspace later that has a scope and la Mar 14 10:02:35 * KotH wouldnt mind a hackerspace with an la Mar 14 10:02:45 but we dont even have an hackerspace with a scope :-/ Mar 14 10:04:24 I'm in the LA area, so I'm pretty sure I could find something Mar 14 10:04:48 hmmm, the sigma2 is significantly more expensive £171 it works out here, while the OLS comes in <£40 Mar 14 10:05:34 I might get the OLS for play and if it turns out I need anything more serious I maybe upgrade Mar 14 10:07:30 get a bus pirate, enough for most needs and has more use cases Mar 14 10:10:15 jackmitchell: the HW of both is for 0815 stuff equivalent Mar 14 10:11:08 jackmitchell: with one small difference: the sigma2 can do real time capture, ie you can capture for as long as you want, given you can dump the data trough USB Mar 14 10:11:22 jackmitchell: if you dont need that, OLS is enough Mar 14 10:11:54 I like http://www.saleae.com/logic/ because they are a usefull UI (also on linux) Mar 14 10:13:04 it's just kind of slow, with 24MHz Mar 14 10:13:16 keesj: yes, I've looked at the saleae's before but they seem a bit expensive and slow compared to something like OLS Mar 14 10:13:34 even though they come in a nice case Mar 14 10:13:48 cases are overrated ;) Mar 14 10:14:13 keesj: i have the logic 16. Mar 14 10:15:18 Sample 2 channels at 100MHz, 4 channels at 50MHz, 8 channels at 25MHz, or all 16 channels at 12.5MHz. Mar 14 10:15:32 mrpackethead: how much was it? Mar 14 10:15:41 and how is the software? Mar 14 10:16:02 eek, 240 euro Mar 14 10:16:03 299usd Mar 14 10:16:28 urgh, plus 50 euro VAT for me Mar 14 10:16:46 and good sw Mar 14 10:16:54 ooops.. that's a lot... I have the "8" one and I don't think is was that expensive Mar 14 10:16:55 and awesome support Mar 14 10:17:31 maybe if I had a specific paid job which needed it, but for general hardware hacking and the odd bit of consultancy it's a bit much Mar 14 10:18:10 i fryed mine Mar 14 10:18:11 jackmitchell: just get the OLS to try it out, it'll likely be good enough for you Mar 14 10:18:19 sigrok support is good, that java client works too Mar 14 10:18:28 (specially knowing the "8" version had a ez_usb inside). Mar 14 10:18:40 and they replaced it for free Mar 14 10:18:46 and it was completley my fault! Mar 14 10:18:59 how did you fry it? Mar 14 10:19:11 biot: yeah, I think that was the decision I had already made in my head Mar 14 10:19:28 USB hub was faulty Mar 14 10:19:34 o_0 Mar 14 10:19:47 large earth diffence Mar 14 10:19:49 how can an USB hub fry a device? Mar 14 10:19:55 between the hub Mar 14 10:19:55 oh.. ouch Mar 14 10:20:00 and the device under test Mar 14 10:20:09 luckily enough, that you've only fried the device and not the port in PC Mar 14 10:20:11 * KotH knows the feeling Mar 14 10:20:11 :p Mar 14 10:20:26 that's why we started using usb isolators Mar 14 10:20:57 ynezz: friend of mine managed to do that at a customer Mar 14 10:21:38 ynezz: they were testing a wireless lamp switch... wanted to reprogram the controller, but forgot to unplug the device or use an isolation transformer.... Mar 14 10:22:02 according to my friend, the smoke and cursing of the customer filled the whole office Mar 14 10:22:10 :D Mar 14 10:24:07 I've this one http://www.kosmodrom.com.ua/data/LOGIC-U-ISL.php Mar 14 10:24:30 it has isolation built-in Mar 14 10:25:10 it's salae clone... Mar 14 10:25:35 it's ukranian.. i expect it to be a cheap rip off ;) Mar 14 10:26:02 100 USD or something like that Mar 14 10:26:12 ok... expensive ripoff Mar 14 10:29:04 it's actually better then original Mar 14 10:29:45 like the fake iphone we found in shenzhen Mar 14 10:30:09 :] Mar 14 10:30:43 I guess you heard about that one Mar 14 10:31:12 nope, as I don't care about such stuff Mar 14 10:31:21 the $11 FX2 boards often have several features the saleae doesn't have Mar 14 10:31:31 we found something that looked and behaved a lot like an iphone Mar 14 10:31:36 but it was a reskinned android Mar 14 10:34:09 did they reskinned the play store also? Mar 14 10:35:30 biot: I also geprogrammed the saleae's for different purposes but was also missing some pins Mar 14 10:35:49 https://github.com/keesj/saleae-logic-libusb still has some code Mar 14 10:36:41 oh yeah, I remember seeing that code Mar 14 10:40:02 discussing minor details with the CEO in a conf call for hours....... Mar 14 10:41:13 learn the art of hang-up Mar 14 10:41:43 im spring cleaning my Model M, I dont mind Mar 14 10:43:20 \o/ Mar 14 10:43:21 http://sigrok.org/gitweb/?p=sigrok-cli.git;a=commitdiff;h=de0a066e82c23971966752c8abb6ade5e8084008 Mar 14 10:43:52 what does that do? Mar 14 10:44:13 allow it to build without python3 Mar 14 10:44:20 \o/ Mar 14 10:44:24 no protocol decoders, though Mar 14 10:44:30 :-( Mar 14 10:44:32 since those are all in python3 Mar 14 10:44:36 hmm... Mar 14 10:44:57 * KotH hates it, when datasheet do not contain exact steps for device intialization Mar 14 10:44:59 but basic cli should now work Mar 14 10:45:19 the idea is that if you're on a platform without python, such as a resource-constrained embedded system, you can do your acquistion there Mar 14 10:45:25 i should really try sigrok again Mar 14 10:45:40 and do the protocol decoding stuff on a bigger box, from the saved file or whatever Mar 14 10:45:58 is protocol analysis that expensive? Mar 14 10:46:08 no, but it requires python3 Mar 14 10:46:17 well, it requires a big python instal Mar 14 10:46:17 I'm stuck at python2 Mar 14 10:46:23 python is the new java ^^' Mar 14 10:46:27 koen: why? Mar 14 10:46:30 upgrade Mar 14 10:46:40 KotH: it's certainly cropping up a lot more Mar 14 10:46:46 av500: noone willing to make an OE recipe for python3 and fix all the external python modules Mar 14 10:47:05 av500: donate a few $10k to the yocto foundation to make it a priority Mar 14 10:47:29 jackmitchell: btw: didnt you order a colour calibrator a couple of weeks ago? Mar 14 10:47:38 KotH: I did, it arrived, and all is good Mar 14 10:47:45 koen: which python modules are a problem? is there a list or open bug for this? Mar 14 10:47:45 jackmitchell: does it work well? Mar 14 10:48:01 jackmitchell: does it need gnome to work, or can i just use some plain-x11 app? Mar 14 10:48:23 KotH: yes, I'm still getting used to the calibration; it seems very red; but I think it just used to be very blue; but both my monitors now match so, yay Mar 14 10:48:34 KotH: I use gnome anyway so I used the build in colour tools Mar 14 10:48:42 but I think they're just wrappers for a program Mar 14 10:48:44 let me look Mar 14 10:48:45 koen: lol Mar 14 10:49:08 jackmitchell: they are always wrappers... but gnome never documents what they are doing internally... Mar 14 10:49:21 KotH: ArgyllCMS and dispcalGUI Mar 14 10:49:27 they're the work horses Mar 14 10:50:16 one problem I have hit is that the proprietary amd catalyst drivers don't expose both my monitors at home and I haven't had the motivation to look into it yet Mar 14 10:50:44 jackmitchell: cool..thanks Mar 14 10:50:53 the open source amd drivers work perfectly, as do the intel ones Mar 14 10:50:59 * KotH doesnt use closed source drivers unless really necessary... so that shouldnt be a problem Mar 14 10:51:24 jackmitchell: can you remind me again what device you bought? Mar 14 10:51:32 yeah, I've got a 7950 in my home machine which doesn't lend it'self to the open drivers Mar 14 10:51:37 ColourHug Mar 14 10:51:41 domo Mar 14 10:52:40 the guy who makes the colourhug is also the guy who codes the gnome colour tools Mar 14 10:53:05 which makes it particularly convenient for me Mar 14 10:53:22 they ship a live CD too which has all the software on Mar 14 10:53:40 jackmitchell: I find my screen also a bit too red, but I haven't checked if it's really too read of everything else too blue :) Mar 14 10:53:41 so you can calibrate on the live CD then load the profiles in your normal environment Mar 14 10:54:16 jackmitchell: I use fedora, so everything is builtin for the colourhug already :) Mar 14 10:54:28 koen: you have one too? Mar 14 10:54:32 jackmitchell: yes Mar 14 10:54:46 koen: gald it's not just me noticing the 'murder shade' then ;) Mar 14 10:55:27 * koen is regretting to volunteer for the "gstreamer test case for camera inputs" task, massive upgrade cascade Mar 14 10:55:31 it's documented online that it can be too red, but I can't be bothered to faff, it's find for me and my main gripe is that both monitors should look the same Mar 14 10:56:20 which they now do, so meh Mar 14 10:56:42 hmm.. i probably should buy new monitors first, before getting a colourhug... TN isnt really going to benefit from calibration ^^' Mar 14 10:57:38 KotH: TN's are usually blue tinted, it made a bit of a difference but the real win was on my IPS monitors Mar 14 10:58:05 which were all very yellow tinted I have now found Mar 14 10:59:14 back to the OLS, what are the probes like, should I get the recommended ones or are some 3rd party ones better? Mar 14 10:59:17 gm Mar 14 11:00:48 i bought the recomended ones...they are not bad, but i wouldnt call them good either Mar 14 11:00:59 but they are convenient Mar 14 11:01:09 * av500 only needs teal and orange on his monitors..... Mar 14 11:01:30 they're cheap enough so I'll just wait and see Mar 14 11:06:03 btw: does anyone have a good idea how i can generate 100-300V DC regulated, <1mA current ? Mar 14 11:06:20 one off project, for myself, so it should be cheap and easy to build Mar 14 11:08:57 100V Mar 14 11:09:23 not 10-30? Mar 14 11:09:33 nope, 100-300 Mar 14 11:09:45 for 30V i would just use a lab power supply Mar 14 11:11:11 actually, i would still use lab power supplies for 100V... but cascading more than 3 is a bit ify.. even if they are agilents Mar 14 11:13:29 you should ask your EE faculty Mar 14 11:14:53 yeah.. they have supplies for that kind of stuff, but the power electronics group doesnt have a GHz capable osciloscope, so i either have a power supply or a scope, but not both Mar 14 11:15:05 and i dont want to cary either of those beasts to the other ^^' Mar 14 11:16:23 welcome to real life Mar 14 11:17:06 * KotH ponders to apply for reasaignment to pink pony land Mar 14 11:33:44 no Mar 14 11:33:47 door is closed Mar 14 11:40:24 morning Mar 14 11:40:27 http://www.slashgear.com/my-little-pony-soldering-iron-brilliance-11113660/ Mar 14 11:40:29 morning Mar 14 11:40:43 * mranostay curses jkrider Mar 14 11:41:00 * ka6sox says "bah humbug" Mar 14 11:42:15 ka6sox: good morning! Mar 14 11:44:02 koen: keep the good :) Mar 14 11:44:16 mranostay: bad day again? Mar 14 11:44:23 (as if other kinds existed) Mar 14 11:44:32 mru, its 4:30am.... Mar 14 11:44:41 see, that's bad already Mar 14 11:45:31 gm ka6sox Mar 14 11:46:14 hmm, maybe koen can 3d-print an rss reader for us Mar 14 11:46:32 can you 3d print some sleep? Mar 14 11:46:57 he can 3d-print a shot glass Mar 14 11:47:00 the rest is up to you Mar 14 11:47:46 morning woglinde didn't I see you about 4hrs ago? Mar 14 11:48:03 no Mar 14 11:48:21 but I am awake since 6.15 ces Mar 14 11:48:24 if I compile my own kernel module and want to load it with modprobe.d where should I put the .ko in order for modprobe to automatically find it...? Mar 14 11:48:35 uhm cet Mar 14 11:48:37 . /lib/modules ? Mar 14 11:48:47 magic Mar 14 11:48:48 ) Mar 14 11:48:54 use MOD_PATH_INSTALL Mar 14 11:48:56 lib/modules/kernelname/appropriate directory Mar 14 11:48:58 tar and copy Mar 14 11:50:05 morning koen! Mar 14 11:50:18 ka6sox: don't encourage him Mar 14 11:51:02 next time...0500 CET Mar 14 11:53:46 hmmm max3232 chips with the 100 nf caps internal Mar 14 11:54:14 that makes my rev 2 extender much easier to route :P Mar 14 11:56:33 merry @#$#@ morning jkridner :) Mar 14 11:56:40 :) Mar 14 11:56:46 now to figure this G+ thing out Mar 14 11:58:04 let me go get more c0ffee Mar 14 11:58:29 * mranostay gets another horrible tasting energy drink Mar 14 11:59:50 interesting it is like a phone call Mar 14 11:59:51 I'm getting nothing but network errors. :( Mar 14 12:00:37 plug the cable Mar 14 12:01:51 anoyone else? Mar 14 12:02:38 um... Mar 14 12:03:04 how do you join the damn thing? Mar 14 12:03:19 * ka6sox wonders the same thing Mar 14 12:03:39 it looks like it's just chat + still pictures Mar 14 12:03:40 you get a call from jkridner? Mar 14 12:03:49 koen: are you on it? Mar 14 12:03:58 where's the 'it'? Mar 14 12:04:06 he starts and we "join" Mar 14 12:04:13 https://plus.google.com/events/cs6cdmgdmqj9d4hkfbcstu3e9a0 Mar 14 12:04:28 yes, I'm looking at that Mar 14 12:04:41 all I see is comments from confused people Mar 14 12:04:48 he starts it and we "join" Mar 14 12:05:45 k, this is crap Mar 14 12:06:09 jkridner, you should be able to start the hangout Mar 14 12:06:11 OpenROV guy (David Lang) convinced me this works well. Mar 14 12:06:13 jkridner: recreate the hangout and invite everyone on the list? Mar 14 12:06:29 there are only 6 of us Mar 14 12:06:41 just invite individually, yes Mar 14 12:06:54 do you want me to start it? I'm right there Mar 14 12:06:58 I'm getting nothing but network difficulties. :( Mar 14 12:07:10 I'm behind the TI firewall, like an idiot. Mar 14 12:07:11 I even put clothes on! Mar 14 12:07:15 oops Mar 14 12:07:18 +1 Mar 14 12:07:26 I even showered! Mar 14 12:07:37 I even opened 1 eye! Mar 14 12:07:38 koen, whoa Mar 14 12:07:49 oh dark 30 on the left coast Mar 14 12:08:00 since there was an invite, why would I have to have invited people again? Mar 14 12:08:09 g+ says I'm in a hangout Mar 14 12:08:14 jkridner is coming and going Mar 14 12:08:23 or a picture of him at least Mar 14 12:08:30 yeah, I had a better experience when I was over my phone. Mar 14 12:08:51 mru: invite me Mar 14 12:09:19 mru invite me too Mar 14 12:09:25 invite me too! Mar 14 12:09:26 i think != hangout Mar 14 12:09:26 since when is G+ better then IRC-? Mar 14 12:09:26 +11 Mar 14 12:09:54 we hard RPi uses hangouts..need to get with the program Mar 14 12:10:00 or heard even? Mar 14 12:10:04 hurd Mar 14 12:10:33 d'oh Mar 14 12:10:56 do you need to increase sales or what? Mar 14 12:11:02 :) Mar 14 12:11:28 we need Gerald to get with the program and get on IRC... Mar 14 12:11:32 ynezz: yeah well Mar 14 12:11:38 of course, I don't think he's on the hangout either. Mar 14 12:11:43 jkridner: hardware people can't use IRC Mar 14 12:11:43 jkridner, that would happen Mar 14 12:11:49 I think we have critical mass in here, so... Mar 14 12:11:53 mranostay, hey! Mar 14 12:12:11 jkridner: quiter! Mar 14 12:12:25 koen, then you start it and invite all of us Mar 14 12:12:32 and critical mess also Mar 14 12:12:47 ynezz,+1 Mar 14 12:12:49 I even combed my hair! Mar 14 12:13:34 ha Mar 14 12:14:30 does it work? Mar 14 12:14:51 maybe if you bang some bits Mar 14 12:15:25 everyone else able to join but me? Mar 14 12:15:34 hey you guys are in the wrong room Mar 14 12:15:45 * mranostay looking at you koen + Tartarus Mar 14 12:15:52 * koen pokes mdp Mar 14 12:15:53 if everyone is in one room, does it matter if it is the right one? Mar 14 12:16:45 koen, we are on another hangout with mru ;) Mar 14 12:16:49 heh Mar 14 12:16:56 koen, join us! Mar 14 12:17:02 invite us! Mar 14 12:18:14 invite us! Mar 14 12:18:56 well this is turning into a cluster Mar 14 12:19:32 it works just like people starting a webex at work Mar 14 12:19:38 meeting starts at 20 past the hour Mar 14 12:19:49 always do Mar 14 12:19:51 *does Mar 14 12:22:41 no panto? Mar 14 12:23:48 ha Mar 14 12:24:26 av500: don't forget to mute Mar 14 12:24:33 ;) Mar 14 12:24:40 I know you have a model M :) Mar 14 12:25:07 koen: done Mar 14 12:25:11 lol Mar 14 12:26:42 mranostay is fuzzy Mar 14 12:26:59 who is mr balck? Mar 14 12:27:03 black? Mar 14 12:27:34 johnny cash Mar 14 12:27:56 av500: bad lighting Mar 14 12:28:12 mranostay: poor you had to wake up early Mar 14 12:28:26 av500: bite me Mar 14 12:32:55 wtf is Google Effects? Mar 14 12:33:18 mranoat< you can give av500 a beard Mar 14 12:33:21 or head Mar 14 12:33:27 or make is hairs re Mar 14 12:33:27 d Mar 14 12:33:33 av500: set the time on that clock Mar 14 12:33:40 mranostay: lol Mar 14 12:33:42 its not a clock Mar 14 12:33:50 it only does that Mar 14 12:34:34 mdp: yes we can Mar 14 12:35:10 is panto using a a tin can and wire? Mar 14 12:37:14 who is mr painting? Mar 14 12:37:34 we lost koen Mar 14 12:37:43 koen is mia? Mar 14 12:38:27 had to check a different computer Mar 14 12:38:54 you don't have one of those hover cams from AI? Mar 14 12:38:59 av500, thanks Mar 14 12:39:32 hrm, I should limit my bashing of webapps..this work surpringly well Mar 14 12:39:39 surprisingly, even Mar 14 12:39:49 isn't it flash based? Mar 14 12:40:17 mine is on N7, so java based :) Mar 14 12:40:29 someone is echoing Mar 14 12:40:43 * mru is muted Mar 14 12:40:58 ah, I can click on people Mar 14 12:41:16 http://joshuawise.com/horndis Mar 14 12:41:55 there's some plugin for it Mar 14 12:41:58 koen: is _anything_ working? Mar 14 12:42:13 koen, quit saying LT ;) Mar 14 12:42:40 mranostay: the "clock" is this: http://www.watterott.com/de/7-Segment-LED-Anzeige-rot-seriell Mar 14 12:42:50 it was the cheapest arduino with debug display I could find :) Mar 14 12:43:08 you need an arduino to do that? Mar 14 12:43:19 mru: no Mar 14 12:43:29 hey Mar 14 12:43:31 just got in Mar 14 12:43:36 hi panto, welcome Mar 14 12:43:42 panto: you keep popping in and out all the time Mar 14 12:44:10 panto: greeks forget to pay the internet bill? Mar 14 12:44:19 was on the train Mar 14 12:44:27 mranostay: somebody stole the cable for the copper Mar 14 12:44:46 +1 Mar 14 12:44:59 panto's solution is always: "work from starbucks" Mar 14 12:45:34 panto: we're talking about keeping emmc in reset Mar 14 12:45:44 poor emmc Mar 14 12:45:51 err, why? Mar 14 12:46:49 ceiling cat watches you... Mar 14 12:48:48 jkridner: horndis makes black work Mar 14 12:52:18 was that thing "on air"? Mar 14 12:52:28 moar coffee! Mar 14 12:52:47 koen: I'm looking for that e-mail to reply now. Mar 14 12:52:54 jkridner, so what you want is to keep emmc in reset if it's not active, is that correct? Mar 14 12:53:01 panto/ka6sox, git://github.com/ohporter/linux.git WIP/mcasp-am335x-3.8-rc3 Mar 14 12:53:02 yeah... Mar 14 12:53:18 it should be in reset all the time unless it is enabled by the capemgr. Mar 14 12:53:32 that's got my working minimal stuff against the DT-ification patches post for simple-card.c Mar 14 12:53:48 so, if capemgr detects a pin conflict, it'd fail to load the emmc and keep the emmc in reset Mar 14 12:54:19 I see Mar 14 12:54:41 koen: thanks for the driver link Mar 14 12:54:53 mdp, thanks Mar 14 12:54:54 I'm going to try to post a slightly clean version for review upstream RSN..just been working other edma dependencies non-stop Mar 14 12:55:01 cleaner Mar 14 12:55:47 panto, so eMMC conflicts with GPMC so after using emmc to boot I'd like to disable it when the cape loads. Mar 14 12:56:25 ka6sox, err, I guess that means that your rootfs is either on ram or on the removable sdcard Mar 14 12:56:40 panto, yes, on the sd Mar 14 12:56:41 ka6sox, you will disable eMMC when using a GPMC requiring cape, right? Mar 14 12:56:56 mdp, yes, thats what I need to do. Mar 14 12:57:14 hmm, ok, I'll see what I can do Mar 14 12:57:52 I have an idea how to do it, but I can't work on it immediately now Mar 14 12:57:53 yeah, seems like a common use case for other types of boards, fwiw Mar 14 12:58:16 I can come up with a quick hack for you to use, but a real fix is not immediate Mar 14 12:58:44 panto: we can make a proper bailout later Mar 14 12:58:54 btw, next time send me an email reminder about the hangout before hand Mar 14 12:59:58 mdp that git link is broken Mar 14 13:00:11 not hapy Mar 14 13:00:35 panto, I did a hardware hack Mar 14 13:00:52 ka6sox, github had a few disconnects for me before the push succeeded..they seem to be having issues Mar 14 13:00:53 tied a pin on the cape to ground and put a wire on the output of the driver Mar 14 13:01:03 mdp, okay Mar 14 13:01:09 I'll verify Mar 14 13:01:59 yeah, keep trying Mar 14 13:02:17 let's just say, it's guaranteed more uptime than git.ti.com ;) Mar 14 13:02:18 3rd time's a charm Mar 14 13:02:54 yeah, failed twice for me..going a clone --reference linux.git of my tree there..then just succeeded Mar 14 13:02:58 *sigh* Mar 14 13:03:02 maybe if I pay them ;) Mar 14 13:03:15 no kidding Mar 14 13:03:32 I have no proprietary code to hide to warrant that Mar 14 13:04:15 koen, should I add the DT Bits for the audio to the HDMI Cape section? Mar 14 13:04:33 I think so Mar 14 13:04:44 I can't think of a usecase where you'd want audio, but not video Mar 14 13:04:47 it would seem to be a logical set of bits to me Mar 14 13:05:06 koen, you could because its i2s audio Mar 14 13:05:23 ka6sox: please do let me know what you discover as to the applicability of simple-card for this case..I'm interested in how well it works for other things Mar 14 13:05:35 mdp, will do Mar 14 13:05:47 ka6sox: hdmi audio needed some "special" bits iirc Mar 14 13:05:51 unfortunately, working on am335x stuff is no longer my FT job so I'm kinda doing this stuff in the background now Mar 14 13:06:03 its just i2s Mar 14 13:06:24 you just need the Word Clock to be in the right place. Mar 14 13:06:28 ka6sox: was/is the biggest difference that it needed a different clock source? Mar 14 13:06:45 ka6sox: I only know that TI people said it was different, very hard, unpossible, etc Mar 14 13:07:16 mdp, pinmuxing for setting the right mode for mcasp (was setup as SPI) and adding a clock value Mar 14 13:07:29 koen, that's code for "we're busy" Mar 14 13:07:38 koen, it's just software after all Mar 14 13:08:34 the current patchset didn't evaluate machine_is_beaglebone and set the sysclock Mar 14 13:09:20 ka6sox, weird, that's it? *sigh* Mar 14 13:09:44 not sure completely thats "it" Mar 14 13:10:12 I wanted to decide whether to patch Joel's way or redo as DT style Mar 14 13:10:14 tbh, I was also surprised to find how trivial it was to make the usual aic codecs on evms/capes work with no machine file Mar 14 13:10:46 using SPI audio? Mar 14 13:11:17 ka6sox: I would say at this point it's plenty ok to go with a "hack" instead of the perfect completely DT converted method. Mar 14 13:11:25 unless the latter is low-hanging fruit Mar 14 13:11:34 its not Mar 14 13:11:36 not my call though, you're doing the work ;) Mar 14 13:11:48 I'm going to just set it and play today Mar 14 13:12:10 the pinmuxing needs to be DT to work correctly Mar 14 13:12:15 sure Mar 14 13:12:48 * mdp needs to check exactly what mode it's in Mar 14 13:13:07 the default is SPI1 Mar 14 13:13:16 in the dtsi Mar 14 13:13:54 I almost would liike to remove that and have 2 separate ones...bone and bonelt Mar 14 13:14:37 unless we are going to have 7.1 out of this thing along with HDMI Mar 14 13:14:41 :) Mar 14 13:15:47 yeah, reviewing my working stuff, I see it's on the standard mcasp0_* named pins..and spi1 is disabled Mar 14 13:16:19 which is the opposite of the current 3.8 tree Mar 14 13:17:30 needs to be mode 0 except for axr2 which is mode2 Mar 14 13:17:34 well, in the vendor tree, nothing should be set if it's not on the baseboard .. until a cape is loaded..yes! Mar 14 13:17:36 ? Mar 14 13:18:22 I mean, those pins should not be muxed to mode3 unless a cape using spi1 on those pins is loaded Mar 14 13:18:31 the only way that works is if I can separate them out as 2 different configs Mar 14 13:18:51 ahh, need to do that then Mar 14 13:19:04 I'm a bit slow..what exactly is making use of spi1? Mar 14 13:19:15 ask gerald Mar 14 13:19:26 its confusing to me. Mar 14 13:19:49 ok, let me update my tree..I haven't been able to work with the vendor tree in a while..and I owe koen a patch anyway Mar 14 13:19:51 the LT has onboard that requires mode 0 Mar 14 13:20:12 but the default is mode3 Mar 14 13:20:44 right, and you're going to treat the hdmi stuff as a loadable cape though? Mar 14 13:21:06 or hardcode mode0/2 for hdmi audio in the bonelt.dts? Mar 14 13:21:22 the latter for my first cut Mar 14 13:21:37 let it be modified by the cape manager if something changes. Mar 14 13:22:39 makes sense Mar 14 13:22:42 nothing stacked, default to HDMI Audio Mar 14 13:23:03 that makes it easier. Mar 14 13:24:40 iirc capemanager does that nowadays Mar 14 13:24:47 but my memory is fuzzy Mar 14 13:25:08 koen, yeah, cape fragments for the detected board load automatically Mar 14 13:25:44 panto, so the bits for hdmi video are loaded for the base board automagically? Mar 14 13:25:58 ka6sox, yes Mar 14 13:26:08 then I should do the same thing for the audio. Mar 14 13:26:09 same kernel/image works on the old bone too Mar 14 13:26:28 ka6sox, yes, you should :) Mar 14 13:26:33 here we have a mode conflict that I am trying to resolve. Mar 14 13:26:39 mode 3 vs mode0/2 Mar 14 13:26:49 can you explain a bit Mar 14 13:26:52 koen, so you know, I've defended your tree of patches thing before because I get how easy it makes certain aspects...but it totally screws a simple git rename + makefile bits commit for a am335x-bonelt->am335x-boneblack change Mar 14 13:27:04 I was on the train and could get every part of the conversation Mar 14 13:27:32 panto, the current pinmuxing is setup for SPI1 and not mcasp0 Mar 14 13:27:36 as default Mar 14 13:28:03 koen, unless I just tack it on the end of it all..which I'll do :( Mar 14 13:28:11 if we treat both the same then we have a mode conflict Mar 14 13:28:35 ka6sox, that's no problem Mar 14 13:28:47 mdp: I know, which is why I asked for patches Mar 14 13:28:53 just make sure the mcasp0 driver when it loads also picks up the default-pinmux state Mar 14 13:29:04 SPI1 is not enabled, is it? Mar 14 13:29:11 mdp: the bone.dts -> bone-common.dtsi + bone.dts + bonelt.dts was painfull to rebase as well Mar 14 13:29:17 koen, I'm not going to drag the laundry on the list...but you know full well it wasn't a change that happened "yesterday" or "today" Mar 14 13:29:28 I think it might be default mode Mar 14 13:29:40 ka6sox, so no problem there Mar 14 13:29:43 not looked into that yet. Mar 14 13:29:57 the driver should pick up the default pinmux when it loads Mar 14 13:30:11 mdp: I never imagined people would get (more) confused by the DT name Mar 14 13:30:14 koen, well the funny thing is that none of this is upstream...nor in u-boot..but somehow TI/CCO's release crap is trying to drive putting shit upstream Mar 14 13:30:21 mdp: it has that stupid 'am335x' in the name as well Mar 14 13:30:37 that's convention from upstream Mar 14 13:30:55 I would have called it 'beaglebone.dts' Mar 14 13:31:04 the current mcasp0 driver is not DT'ified. Mar 14 13:31:22 like I say, I don't make the rules...it's convention from upstream Mar 14 13:31:44 ka6sox, I'm sure it is in our tree Mar 14 13:31:45 a vendor tree can rename stuff however it likes though..imagine that. Mar 14 13:31:52 firmware/capes/cape-bone-dvi-00A2.dts Mar 14 13:31:57 panto, its not..I'm trying to get it in. Mar 14 13:32:28 ka6sox, that dvi cape also has working audio Mar 14 13:32:43 iirc its AIC Mar 14 13:33:07 ka6sox: what I did was a pure DT-driven approach instead of that version, fwiw..that's the reason for two versions Mar 14 13:34:02 ka6sox, git log sound/soc/davinci/davinci-mcasp.c http://pastebin.com/1TFmaSZg Mar 14 13:34:08 ya, thats what I thought.. Mar 14 13:35:36 panto, my version drops that hack Mar 14 13:35:56 * ka6sox continues getting mdp tree Mar 14 13:36:24 but I wouldn't change what works in the tree just for cleanup Mar 14 13:36:33 AFAIKT cco will ship koen's tree Mar 14 13:36:41 *evil* tree, sorry Mar 14 13:36:52 panto, there's no other working tree..I should hope so ;) Mar 14 13:36:55 patches welcome Mar 14 13:37:00 partially working Mar 14 13:37:25 * mranostay notes a big errata on his design Mar 14 13:37:31 bradfa: hate you btw :P Mar 14 13:37:34 erratum? Mar 14 13:37:44 Plural! Mar 14 13:37:52 koen, I'm ok with just diverging and doing it the right way upstream Mar 14 13:37:57 what ka6sox said Mar 14 13:38:01 mranostay, if you want to keep up with TI, you need _MORE_ errata, not less :) Mar 14 13:38:46 there's always more than one, so true statement Mar 14 13:38:48 * ka6sox wanders off to get breakfast while github dribbles out this clone :P Mar 14 13:41:22 koen, I'm tempted to just edit the patches. Mar 14 13:41:33 mdp: how else would you do it? Mar 14 13:41:44 unravel and recreate them all Mar 14 13:41:53 it's a rare easy edit Mar 14 13:42:20 there's been countless checkins with the wrong board name long after the board was named Mar 14 13:42:48 zip it back up! Mar 14 13:43:04 stuffit Mar 14 13:43:06 hoi alan_o Mar 14 13:43:15 hey KotH Mar 14 13:43:23 welcome, alan_o, oh dweller of the swamp-lands Mar 14 13:43:38 mdp: I used sed in the past to fix up renames Mar 14 13:43:48 that's what I'm doing now Mar 14 13:44:01 hi alan_o Mar 14 13:44:02 I may get fired for not doing real work...but I care ;) Mar 14 13:44:16 hey panto Mar 14 13:45:27 panto, btw, I think I got lucky with the google ecosystem sticking the hangout reminder in my calendar Mar 14 13:45:46 hi panto and alan_o Mar 14 13:45:55 panto, it was kind enough to flag it in my face an hour before on the mobile Mar 14 13:46:02 hi woglinde Mar 14 13:46:52 hi woglinde Mar 14 13:50:31 mdp: say ecosystem one more time @$#@$ i double dare you :) Mar 14 13:50:41 echosystem Mar 14 13:50:53 ekosystem Mar 14 13:51:18 mranostay, since we had a concall (more or less) I felt it was an appropriate buzzword to add in Mar 14 13:54:39 isn't DT the latest buzzword? Mar 14 13:55:07 was a few years ago Mar 14 13:55:09 now it's rpi Mar 14 13:55:12 DT is older than dirt Mar 14 13:55:27 mdp, but it was OF back then Mar 14 13:55:30 so its my age? Mar 14 13:55:38 I hope we can recycle more old stuff..and drop UEFI for OF now Mar 14 13:55:53 old != bad Mar 14 13:56:01 just bring back HASP II Mar 14 13:56:05 except if it's ARM11 Mar 14 13:56:07 that's bad Mar 14 13:56:09 very bad Mar 14 13:56:24 device tree is dead long live device tree Mar 14 13:56:26 I'd like to bring back HAARP Mar 14 13:56:45 panto: er the mind control project in Alaska Mar 14 13:56:57 HAARP is cool Mar 14 13:56:58 panto, I've seen that array.... Mar 14 13:57:02 drove up to it. Mar 14 13:57:15 hehe, and here jump out the amateurs :) Mar 14 13:57:23 hehe Mar 14 13:57:25 mind control is such a harsh word... I would like to think it's a wet vnc access Mar 14 13:58:08 people kept tellin me we were going to bore a hole thru the ozone layer with it. Mar 14 13:58:15 now that I'm up to speed on H+, I think that approach is best Mar 14 13:58:35 what's that again? Mar 14 13:58:41 is that one better than G+? Mar 14 13:59:04 * ka6sox is behind the times obviously... Mar 14 13:59:32 H+ sounds like something what a chemist would use to describe a generic acid in water Mar 14 13:59:34 http://hplusdigitalseries.com/ Mar 14 14:00:44 is that fan fiction? Mar 14 14:00:59 not if Bryan Singer is doing it Mar 14 14:01:04 WB digital release stuff Mar 14 14:01:15 short 3-5 minute eps Mar 14 14:01:21 perfect for the modern attention span Mar 14 14:01:39 i thought you were old? Mar 14 14:01:47 I've adapted ;) Mar 14 14:03:28 losing your old virtues and gaining new vices? Mar 14 14:03:30 this is bad.... Mar 14 14:03:31 that hangout today was nice btw, more people wore pants than I expected Mar 14 14:03:50 who said I was wearing pants? Mar 14 14:04:17 pants? Mar 14 14:04:41 mranostay: it's ok to wear a skirt too, we're open-minded Mar 14 14:05:41 mru, kilt Mar 14 14:06:44 kilt it is a kilt goddammit :) Mar 14 14:06:54 the plaid makes it okay Mar 14 14:07:30 so, a skirt with a plaid is a kilt? Mar 14 14:07:31 today its going to be 85 (thats 29C for you folks in the rest of the world) Mar 14 14:07:47 only if its pleated too... Mar 14 14:08:33 so, if one would iron a kilt flat, it would become a normal skirt? Mar 14 14:08:53 today its shorts and Hawaiian shirt weather. Mar 14 14:09:32 mru, think Hong Kong weather... Mar 14 14:09:32 in the southern hemisphere you mean ? Mar 14 14:09:57 ogra_, I don't live in the Southern Hemisphere. Mar 14 14:10:00 ...yet Mar 14 14:10:03 ka6sox: it's been below 0 this morning.. and probably still is Mar 14 14:10:15 same here Mar 14 14:10:26 ka6sox: or below 32 for you on the other side of the big pond Mar 14 14:10:38 I'm on the Left Coast! Mar 14 14:11:05 ah.. you are on the other big pond Mar 14 14:11:08 it's nice weather here, warm -6°C, snow stays firm. Mar 14 14:11:18 if it wasn't foggy I could see it. Mar 14 14:11:35 ka6sox: foggy state? Mar 14 14:11:45 ka6sox: or was that foggy city? Mar 14 14:12:00 I don't live in Foggy City..thats mranostay ... Mar 14 14:12:27 I live on the Riviera Mar 14 14:13:45 did I just read that a sinkhole opened up *just* in this guys bedroom in Fl? Mar 14 14:14:17 mourning emeb_mac Mar 14 14:14:23 ka6sox: that was 2 weeks ago, no? Mar 14 14:14:28 yeah, Morlocks in action. Mar 14 14:14:40 koen, I'm behind the times... Mar 14 14:14:53 ka6sox: moarning Mar 14 14:15:03 * ka6sox is glad he doesn't live there... Mar 14 14:15:31 sinkhole? in bedroom? Mar 14 14:15:34 sounds like fun Mar 14 14:15:41 anyone seen alan_o? Mar 14 14:15:41 moaning emeb_mac Mar 14 14:15:47 yes Mar 14 14:15:50 mranostay: not since barcelona Mar 14 14:15:53 today is foggy..I hope it stays that way for the Messier Marathon. Mar 14 14:15:56 maybe in a sink hole Mar 14 14:15:59 I just chatted with him Mar 14 14:16:27 from the sink hole? Mar 14 14:16:31 he is alive..or at least a quality bot implementation Mar 14 14:16:45 did it pass the mdp test? Mar 14 14:17:08 it did Mar 14 14:17:13 784MB and counting... Mar 14 14:17:14 did he mention gang shootings? Mar 14 14:17:15 mranostay: hwha? Mar 14 14:17:16 a good bot is better than many humans Mar 14 14:17:25 scrolling back..... Mar 14 14:17:28 good bots follow exact steps Mar 14 14:17:49 mru: good bot follows 3 rules Mar 14 14:17:51 I think a good bot should be done in forth Mar 14 14:18:15 henceforth Mar 14 14:18:34 with fuzzy logic Mar 14 14:19:27 koen: these are cool giveaways for yocto dev days :) Mar 14 14:19:56 av500, they really exist? Mar 14 14:20:30 ? Mar 14 14:21:28 morening mdp Mar 14 14:21:39 I have no evidence of such things. Mar 14 14:22:59 amigurimi y-octopi? Mar 14 14:23:21 speak english! Mar 14 14:23:38 KotH, that is Engrish Mar 14 14:23:40 or at least german, turkish, japanese, navajo or if it has to be french Mar 14 14:24:03 mais beinsur Mar 14 14:24:09 +spellink Mar 14 14:24:13 ka6sox: i only understand denglish.. but that's a pain.. for ears and eyes Mar 14 14:24:13 koen, where is the document describing the default way of doing things. Mar 14 14:24:28 #exactsteps Mar 14 14:24:31 ka6sox: /dev/null Mar 14 14:25:08 lol, I joined #exactsteps and there was _av500_ there.... Mar 14 14:25:14 I trolled myself Mar 14 14:25:16 hehe Mar 14 14:25:22 nice Mar 14 14:27:48 ka6sox: doing what? Mar 14 14:28:27 2 more launchpads arrived Mar 14 14:28:45 its cheaper to order a 5$ launchpad than to buy the 2 included MSPs Mar 14 14:28:49 I guess that really was a panto question: I'm trying to determine how the base DT configuration is determined. Mar 14 14:28:55 av500: (n) collector of launchboards and eval kits Mar 14 14:29:05 (what board do I have and set it up) Mar 14 14:29:13 yay, subsidies Mar 14 14:29:22 KotH: its the new version, the MSP now has 512b and UART Mar 14 14:29:29 the old one had 128b and none Mar 14 14:29:33 av500: which one? Mar 14 14:29:40 2331? Mar 14 14:29:49 * KotH is still playing with hiw FR5739 Mar 14 14:29:51 his* Mar 14 14:29:53 2453 2452 Mar 14 14:30:06 ahh Mar 14 14:30:12 thanks for the tip Mar 14 14:30:14 2553 Mar 14 14:30:15 * mdp goes to order more Mar 14 14:30:22 lol Mar 14 14:30:29 also 20pin vs 16 Mar 14 14:30:30 av500 is spreading the launchpad addiction Mar 14 14:30:34 so more bitbanging Mar 14 14:30:44 I only have 4 msp launchpads and 2 stellaris ones Mar 14 14:30:45 more bang for the bits! Mar 14 14:30:46 running low! Mar 14 14:31:00 for $5 you get 2 msps, another MSP and a free TI usb2serial converter Mar 14 14:31:17 mdp: i have a stellaris lm3s9bsomething at home.. havent even touched it Mar 14 14:31:34 mdp: especially not after i learned that i can programm the flash only 10 times Mar 14 14:31:39 hehe Mar 14 14:31:42 KotH: lol, one on my desk Mar 14 14:31:50 KotH: coworker orderit only for the jtag Mar 14 14:31:52 it's a golden age of cheap h/w...except for that POS you have ;) Mar 14 14:31:55 and gave me the thing Mar 14 14:32:09 mdp: POS? Mar 14 14:32:21 pieces of s ? Mar 14 14:32:33 re: flash only 10 times Mar 14 14:32:47 av500: i wanted to use it for some project... but doing stuff at home with experiments and all... well.. it wouldnt be worth the time Mar 14 14:32:53 mdp: yeah.. Mar 14 14:33:16 mdp: though, i cannot complain, got it for free from my friendly ti sales Mar 14 14:33:31 we had cheap hardware in the past too... Mar 14 14:33:53 1Mhz, 1.2k EPROM, 64bytes RAM. Mar 14 14:34:04 $1.20! Mar 14 14:34:08 i think my watch has the better specs Mar 14 14:35:54 iirc it was $10 for the one with the window in it. Mar 14 14:41:23 ka6sox, my new production 6502s are pricey at $7 onesies. :-/ Mar 14 14:41:37 ouch Mar 14 14:41:58 learned assembly on that chip Mar 14 14:42:18 mdp: that cries for a $10 6502 launchpad Mar 14 14:42:44 worst programming job I ever had was converting 8751 assembly to 6502 assembly... Mar 14 14:42:45 with a spare 6502 thrown in..plus crystal! Mar 14 14:43:00 !! Mar 14 14:43:32 can you still by a 6510 SID? Mar 14 14:43:48 Jameco probably has one...for $25 Mar 14 14:44:26 * av500 should have pulled the SIDs from the C64s he threw away Mar 14 14:44:34 SIDs, no..you need to go to one of the various fpga approximation projects or ebay Mar 14 14:44:56 luckily I know a guy who can do that. Mar 14 14:45:04 btw, anybody got a boot floppy for an Osborne? Mar 14 14:45:12 ka6sox: my first co-op job was plm/80 and assembly on 8031...this after growing up on 6502 assembly Mar 14 14:45:24 but I was too young to be horrified or scared Mar 14 14:45:25 av500, no, but I do have one for a Kaypro II Mar 14 14:45:45 darn Mar 14 14:45:55 mdp, the things we do in our youth... Mar 14 14:46:17 ka6sox: everything was new and fresh...everything after 30 is an abomination ;) Mar 14 14:46:32 +1 Mar 14 14:46:32 rock star tech Mar 14 14:46:39 this social web sucks Mar 14 14:46:49 no more yellow pages CDROMs Mar 14 14:47:04 modem lines type faster than you can read.... Mar 14 14:47:29 16MHz bitbang for $4.30 Mar 14 14:47:33 where will it end? Mar 14 14:47:45 Anderson Jacobson 110baud Acoustic Couplers FTW! Mar 14 14:48:00 perfect for a KSR33 Mar 14 14:53:11 * mdp screws the pull request :) Mar 14 14:53:27 please think of the children Mar 14 14:53:50 illegal in Georgia. Mar 14 14:54:41 TMI mdp TMI Mar 14 14:55:03 mranostay: diagonals fixed? Mar 14 14:55:52 nap time...us Foggies need our sleep. Mar 14 14:56:22 foggies = fogeys who live on the coast. Mar 14 14:56:47 emeb_mac, yep...indeed Mar 14 14:58:24 * mdp unscrews the pull request Mar 14 14:58:58 they never told me how to do that in that class at school :P Mar 14 14:59:21 luckily, with software, anything is possible Mar 14 15:06:38 * KotH wonders what to all these JTAG dongles happens that disapear at our company Mar 14 15:07:13 oh, so _that_ is where they're coming from Mar 14 15:07:37 ah.. Mar 14 15:07:48 would you terribly mind to send them back? Mar 14 15:08:44 misplacing your dongle? Mar 14 15:08:55 interpret freely Mar 14 15:08:55 bummer Mar 14 15:10:49 * mranostay off to pay my caffeine dealer Mar 14 15:11:35 misplacing is the wrong word... Mar 14 15:11:42 we are buying every year a dozen of those Mar 14 15:11:49 after a year, we only have 5 left Mar 14 15:12:18 maybe they go to the same planet the ballpoint pens go Mar 14 15:12:25 (extra points if you get the reference) Mar 14 15:12:42 oh.. the ballpoints are easy.. etienne snatches them when he passes your desk Mar 14 15:12:50 I wish my ballpoints would go Mar 14 15:12:54 they just accumulate Mar 14 15:13:02 KotH: what jtag? Mar 14 15:13:05 anything good? Mar 14 15:13:47 av500: olimex, nothing special Mar 14 15:14:09 av500: has an additional serial port and a 5v power output Mar 14 15:14:27 the troll has left us! Mar 14 15:14:29 KotH: so like that green tincantool thing? Mar 14 15:15:05 juup Mar 14 15:15:19 though i probably wouldnt buy any one of those anymore Mar 14 15:15:37 there are more modern and faster variants out there Mar 14 15:16:07 but on the other hand... if we hardly get over 4kHz anyways Mar 14 15:17:25 s/if// Mar 14 15:22:36 kkeller: sup homie Mar 14 15:24:10 morning mranostay - not much up… checking in Mar 14 15:24:42 * av500 hands kkeller a badge Mar 14 15:24:54 kkeller: hey boss-man Mar 14 15:25:09 I would be quite nice if the video's on the beagleboard.org website would not auto-start! Mar 14 15:25:24 well, at least they don't play music. Mar 14 15:25:30 does the movement bother you? Mar 14 15:25:33 cpu cycles? Mar 14 15:25:39 OCD Mar 14 15:26:05 the next gen teaser does blast music Mar 14 15:26:45 why are Boris's eyes red?!?!? :) Mar 14 15:26:53 california boris Mar 14 15:26:58 didn't he have to take a drug screening? Mar 14 15:27:05 this is on chrome / ubuntu Mar 14 15:27:26 koen: does he have his card? Mar 14 15:27:31 teh plague! Mar 14 15:27:38 run! Mar 14 15:27:50 * mranostay sprays prpplague with Lysol Mar 14 15:28:05 oops that was pine spray Mar 14 15:28:47 try H2O2 Mar 14 15:29:44 well it won't ruin his hair at least Mar 14 15:30:59 hair? Mar 14 15:31:07 exactly Mar 14 15:32:57 we should keep our bald jokes to when prpplague isn't here Mar 14 15:33:01 :) Mar 14 15:33:04 no Mar 14 15:33:09 he has a right to hear them Mar 14 15:33:10 mranostay: hehe Mar 14 15:33:15 mranostay: i don't mind them Mar 14 15:33:23 * prpplague kind of likes not having hair Mar 14 15:33:29 time for a bald joke hangout? Mar 14 15:34:03 * mranostay invites panto and prpplague to "Baldy Roast" hangout Mar 14 15:34:12 * panto kicks mranostay Mar 14 15:34:18 that sounds like a kickass coffee blend name Mar 14 15:34:45 mranostay, shouldn't you go to work yet? ;) Mar 14 15:36:24 lol Mar 14 15:36:58 mdp: 8:30a traffic are you kidding? :) Mar 14 15:37:04 deal with it Mar 14 15:37:41 telecommute Mar 14 15:38:07 I almost spilled my coffee on my commute this morning...very scary day on the stairs going to work Mar 14 15:38:26 av500: not a option Mar 14 15:38:48 get a telepresence robot Mar 14 15:39:17 +1 Mar 14 15:39:37 best way to meet Woz Mar 14 15:39:52 telepresence bot on a segway? Mar 14 15:41:24 koen: I found an other use for the modemmanager http://pastebin.com/UD4J8NPq (timed out in wait_for_bb: I2C_STAT=1000) Mar 14 15:42:07 it probably does something with the reset lines. Mar 14 15:43:49 * keesj apt-get bans modemmanager Mar 14 15:49:51 keesj: very odd. it shouldn't play any music by default. must be some bug in the widget if it does. Mar 14 16:01:52 * mdp laughs at how many times in the u-boot thread the Voldemort board's name is mentioned Mar 14 16:02:03 mdp: ;) Mar 14 16:03:08 mdp: happy bday yesterday Mar 14 16:03:15 hey, thanks! Mar 14 16:03:32 still here, even. *whew* Mar 14 16:03:59 heh Mar 14 16:04:54 mdp, did I miss your birthday? Mar 14 16:05:02 was there a party? Mar 14 16:05:07 huge party..yeah, you totally missed it Mar 14 16:05:12 damn Mar 14 16:05:14 was there Cake? Mar 14 16:05:17 played Settlers even Mar 14 16:05:26 gee Mar 14 16:05:36 wild stuff Mar 14 16:07:41 mdp, happy (belated) birthday! Mar 14 16:07:53 oldschool fun Mar 14 16:08:23 ka6sox-away: thx Mar 14 16:09:07 hello Mar 14 16:10:12 skiat, back to the drawing boards... Mar 14 16:11:06 did you read my last post=? Mar 14 16:22:50 ka6sox-farfarawa, are you mantioning my last post about filesystem corruption ? Mar 14 16:23:22 yes Mar 14 16:23:26 *mentioning Mar 14 16:24:04 so have you faced the problem too? Mar 14 16:25:36 what post? Mar 14 16:27:35 http://beagleboard.org/discuss?place=msg%2Fbeagleboard%2FbPMNZ0Qz-rg%2FnoAi-9OE-r8J Mar 14 16:34:19 mdp, your spi stuff, can it be used to sniff spi? Mar 14 16:35:15 sniff glue, not spi Mar 14 16:35:34 Russ, initial cut of this is to just be a configurable slave without the store-and-forward type feature Mar 14 16:35:44 you could harvest all transmissions Mar 14 16:35:51 but, why not use an LA? Mar 14 16:35:55 don't have one Mar 14 16:36:13 you need a volksossi ;) Mar 14 16:36:42 I think an LA is really the best tool for that..and ready to use with decoders Mar 14 16:36:44 bitbang one Mar 14 16:36:54 $4.30 Mar 14 16:37:12 sigrok Mar 14 16:37:14 Russ: well i figured the db9 connectors don't magically change :) Mar 14 16:37:35 not even if you bitbang them real hard? Mar 14 16:38:22 I use a vise/vice Mar 14 16:38:24 mranostay: what you could do is not to put the DB9, but a 9pin header and then capelets Mar 14 16:38:26 they will change Mar 14 16:38:54 Verizon why you do maintainence on a DS3 in the middle of the day :P Mar 14 16:38:58 with an eeprom, so it auto crossovers Mar 14 16:39:07 lol Mar 14 16:39:19 capelet, is that a thing now? Mar 14 16:39:27 yep Mar 14 16:39:29 wtf is a capelet? Mar 14 16:39:43 a small add-on thing to a cape Mar 14 16:39:53 a cape for a cape Mar 14 16:40:05 * dm8tbr would propose to call them capulets ;) Mar 14 16:40:09 +1 Mar 14 16:40:42 of course there would be an abstract definition via a capetree Mar 14 16:41:08 it's just money collecting. sell a cheap board which needs a cape to be usefull which needs a capelet which needs ... Mar 14 16:41:14 yes Mar 14 16:41:22 a TI compiler license? Mar 14 16:41:25 yes Mar 14 16:41:27 a good plan Mar 14 16:41:45 better than a Intel Compiler license for it. Mar 14 16:41:55 mranostay: even the max3232 could be on a capelet Mar 14 16:42:19 then a little jumper-block capelet Mar 14 16:42:23 db9 capelet Mar 14 16:42:40 and eeproms, lots of eeproms Mar 14 16:42:42 what's the name for an addon for a capelet? Mar 14 16:42:54 capiscle Mar 14 16:43:02 it's the same as with printers. Mar 14 16:43:13 amoeba on fleas on rats? Mar 14 16:43:36 use efuse to count cape usage and require the echange of capes Mar 14 16:43:52 +x Mar 14 16:44:11 * mdp is completely efused Mar 14 16:44:14 then retire Mar 14 16:44:19 * ka6sox-farfarawa grumbles @ capemangler... Mar 14 16:44:21 we call it "cape quality innitiave" Mar 14 16:45:06 points to panto Mar 14 16:45:10 blame that dude :P Mar 14 16:46:26 mranostay, who was that directed to? Mar 14 16:46:46 for capemagler Mar 14 16:47:49 av500: genuine cape advantage Mar 14 16:47:54 yep Mar 14 16:48:01 secure cape boot Mar 14 16:48:29 SSDT ACPI UEFI BIOS manager Mar 14 16:48:58 panto: you know how much money we can make "solving" that problem? :) Mar 14 16:49:01 *evil grins* Mar 14 16:51:39 * ka6sox-farfarawa hacks in hardcoding of the SystemClock and forgets DT exists so he can get on with solving the problem :P Mar 14 16:53:31 do it like those kits which have a pcb for a led, a switch, a buzzer and all that. call it "for designers and artist", get rich ;) Mar 14 16:55:46 aholler, there was a talk @ SCaLE this year about Color Pallet selection that hacked in an arduino and some LEDs that were tweaked to provide a full color pallete for artists. Mar 14 16:56:57 bad ka6sox-farfarawa bad Mar 14 16:57:34 the only requirement is that the pcb has rounded edges ;) Mar 14 16:58:47 hook that up to Tuxpaint! Mar 14 17:04:01 ka6sox-farfarawa: DT can help here :P Mar 14 17:07:36 mdp: can DT cure cancer? Mar 14 17:08:17 I dearly hope so to avoid the family inheritance Mar 14 17:08:27 mdp, only if I can figure who's on first...right now I can't figure out who is in charge of what. Mar 14 17:08:56 it's just another day in omap^H^H^Ham33xx land Mar 14 17:11:05 * mranostay pokes Crofton|work Mar 14 17:12:29 eh Mar 14 17:32:21 mdp: pure gennieus (hehe) and very burilluent - http://hackaday.com/2013/03/13/minimalist-user-interface-for-headless-raspberry-pi-applications/ Mar 14 17:32:42 hmmm Mar 14 17:34:26 prpplague: i didn't think they could top that motd hack in badassery Mar 14 17:34:39 * mdp senses that somebody discovered LCDproc while eating pizza in their parents' basement. Mar 14 17:34:48 mranostay: indeed Mar 14 17:35:17 that right hand picture is positively scary... Mar 14 17:35:44 if it has a display, it's not headless... Mar 14 17:35:50 mru, shhh! Mar 14 17:36:20 prpplague: these continue to cheapen the excitement over making it on hackaday ;) Mar 14 17:37:20 mdp: indeed Mar 14 17:37:32 mdp: i started to post a comment stating as such Mar 14 17:38:28 "Can it display the MOTD?" Mar 14 17:38:32 Does BeagleBone ALWAYS assign a ttyUSBx first to the XDS100v2 JTAG port, then to the serial console? Can I make that assumption in a shell script? Mar 14 17:38:50 mtadyshak: most likely Mar 14 17:38:57 hmmm.... yeah, but only likely... Mar 14 17:39:02 udev rules can screw it up. Mar 14 17:39:05 half-recent linux kernels create a tty only for the real console Mar 14 17:39:34 Since PID=0x6010 we don't need a udev rule, correct? Mar 14 17:39:37 and never assume anything Mar 14 17:39:42 better to have a udev rule give it a name if you want consistency.... or have your script take the port name as an input. Mar 14 17:39:45 beaglebone does not assign anything Mar 14 17:39:56 it is entirely up to your host to do as it pleases Mar 14 17:40:00 call me when you have a full GUI VNC early console. Mar 14 17:40:02 * mranostay adjusts tin foil Mar 14 17:40:04 including naming it /dev/ttyIDIOTS0 Mar 14 17:40:10 mtadyshak: what jkridner|work says..a rule is really convenient Mar 14 17:40:10 the user could have 100 other usb-serials connected Mar 14 17:40:13 you don't need a udev rule to load a driver, but you can use a udev rule to give it a good name Mar 14 17:40:24 you have no way of knowing where any particular device will show up Mar 14 17:40:47 mru: serial number + udev will fix that (to be fair) Mar 14 17:40:57 AMSDK setup scripts assume last one assigned is the console Mar 14 17:40:58 _can_ fix that Mar 14 17:41:13 the user can do anything Mar 14 17:41:25 users are empowered Mar 14 17:41:40 it changes if you had a minicom window open to start with Mar 14 18:03:56 what did we do before SSDs to diff kernel trees Mar 14 18:04:24 piles of ram Mar 14 18:04:34 didn't have that either Mar 14 18:04:48 kernels were smaller though Mar 14 18:04:55 true Mar 14 18:09:29 gm mrpackethead Mar 14 18:09:38 . Mar 14 18:10:16 why does it seem like I should be about off work? Mar 14 18:14:46 ka6sox-farfarawa: because you've pretended to do enough work for the day? Mar 14 18:15:30 ka6sox-farfarawa: do you ever sleep? Mar 14 18:15:41 if I can get this upgrade to take hold I'll start a 6TB Stream and go do something else.... Mar 14 18:16:49 mranostay, it would appear not. Mar 14 18:16:57 prpplague, I wish! Mar 14 18:21:38 koen: I lost that message traffic before I could step in and ACK. Mar 14 18:21:44 I'll go look for it. Mar 14 18:22:59 mru, 32GB isn't enough ram. Mar 14 18:30:28 koen: I've seen the boards have node 0.8.18. Can you put that in the feeds? Mar 14 18:32:32 jkridner|work: now with 200% more javascript? Mar 14 18:33:30 hi jessicacallaway! welcome to #beagle :) Mar 14 18:33:46 jkridner|work: it's already in the feeds Mar 14 18:34:00 jkridner|work: update your copy of setup-scripts and do a oebb.sh update Mar 14 18:34:06 koen: k. Mar 14 18:34:43 jkridner|work: i'm waiting for some PhD student to write a node.js kernel for his master thesis :) Mar 14 18:34:55 *PhD thesis rather Mar 14 18:34:58 lol. Mar 14 18:35:01 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=nodejs has the old one, but I'll advise to opkg update Mar 14 18:35:03 thesis-cape Mar 14 18:35:20 does repo have any of the stuff from v2012.12? Mar 14 18:35:42 jkridner|work: have you tried doing 'opkg list | grep nodejs' before asking? Mar 14 18:36:10 koen, eta of narcissus switching to the new narcissus? Mar 14 18:36:39 mdp: when I get time :( Mar 14 18:36:46 np Mar 14 18:36:53 mru, since jessicacallaway is here, she was asking me about updating updating the BeagleWall to use Bones. anything she can bribe you with? Mar 14 18:36:53 or when people send me patches to fix the new narcissus properly :) Mar 14 18:36:54 do you have a day job or something? ;) Mar 14 18:37:03 koen, always with the "send patches" you are Mar 14 18:37:23 jkridner|work: no scaling or overlays on bone Mar 14 18:37:33 koen: repo just sends me down the wrong path every now and again. when people tell me it isn't there, I make the mistake of believing them. Mar 14 18:37:35 jkridner|work: so unless you want a QCIF wall Mar 14 18:37:47 https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/199079_10200850773418619_734198202_n.jpg Mar 14 18:38:06 just play fixed resolution stuff full-screen Mar 14 18:38:17 encoding could even be optimized. Mar 14 18:38:48 jkridner|work: not enough horsepower to do fullscreen Mar 14 18:39:17 and you still need yuv2rgb somehow Mar 14 18:40:04 we did 720p(ish) on the original beagle, remember Mar 14 18:40:44 yes Mar 14 18:40:47 using overlays Mar 14 18:40:52 and sgx can do scaling and yuv2rgb, no? Mar 14 18:40:58 heh Mar 14 18:41:07 or pru Mar 14 18:41:08 they wan't to use blacks methinks Mar 14 18:41:17 no SGX support there Mar 14 18:41:23 pru it is then Mar 14 18:41:29 you could use pru, but you need those secret v2 instructions Mar 14 18:41:49 well, I know of them... Mar 14 18:42:04 * mdp wonders what color those instructions are Mar 14 18:42:13 what's the pru clock on the black? Mar 14 18:42:27 still 200MHz afaik Mar 14 18:42:27 same Mar 14 18:42:40 same soc, same 200MHz Mar 14 18:42:51 except for the broken A4s with no pru Mar 14 18:42:55 that clock is 0MHz Mar 14 18:43:03 pru is still there Mar 14 18:43:05 just efused out Mar 14 18:43:08 right Mar 14 18:43:14 refuse it Mar 14 18:43:29 * mdp looks up the local efuse repair shop Mar 14 18:43:54 thebroken might aid you with his xray machine Mar 14 18:44:43 I stand by "broken" Mar 14 18:46:08 koen: I don't see how being on a public git forking the "official" tools is all that secret Mar 14 18:47:18 well, you can develop with the white and just expect a CPU boost when you get a next-gen board. Mar 14 18:47:31 jkridner|work: what is the colour of the new board? Mar 14 18:47:49 anyway, first step is to put a black through its paces and see how fast the cpu/ram is Mar 14 18:47:50 seems kinda dark in public pictures of it. :) Mar 14 18:48:06 are we allowed to notice the colour? Mar 14 18:48:14 we've been playing with upping the memory frequency, since that seems to be a bottleneck. Mar 14 18:49:10 so develop on dumbledore? Mar 14 18:49:14 you can notice all you want. there just isn't an "official" announcement of the name. No worries about putting it in code to send to open source mailing lists, obviously. Mar 14 18:49:22 I have a dark a4 but haven't had time to tinker with it Mar 14 18:49:55 do you have an LCD or HDMI cape to see about getting video out of it? Mar 14 18:50:10 doesn't it have onboard hdmi? Mar 14 18:50:11 if you need PRU+HDMI, getting an HDMI cape is probably the fastest solution. Mar 14 18:50:18 * Russ you can call it a black beaglebone, but not a beaglebone black :) Mar 14 18:50:30 crap, that was supposed to be /msg mru Mar 14 18:50:37 mru: you know the next-gen had on-board HDMI, just that the protos don't have PRU. Mar 14 18:50:48 Russ: lol Mar 14 18:50:50 Russ: doh Mar 14 18:50:54 now boris is coming for me Mar 14 18:51:09 Russ, no more Hermione boards for you Mar 14 18:51:10 jkridner|work: yes, that's what I've been led to believe Mar 14 18:51:16 too busy dancing around conference rooms Mar 14 18:52:23 mru: anyway, I was going to bug jessicacallaway_ to get you white-colored boards with HDMI capes, etc., if by chance she could do that. Mar 14 18:52:33 I think she hopped on to discuss GSoC though. Mar 14 18:52:47 jkridner|work: you know pru pins are shared with the lcd lines, right? Mar 14 18:52:59 i can see what i can find, jason Mar 14 18:53:43 i did - i wanted to ask if there was any interest from this group to be mentors for GSoC 2013? Mar 14 18:54:09 koen: I think mru was just looking at using for internal operations. Mar 14 18:54:23 * aholler wonders which of those two in the rpi-video is headlesss Mar 14 18:54:59 the one with the head is headless Mar 14 18:55:01 up is down Mar 14 18:55:07 @jessicacallaway_ i'm alrady involved with another GSocC project Mar 14 18:55:15 jessicacallaway_: well, you know I'm interested in mentoring. Mar 14 18:55:26 mrpackethead: I am pretty sure it is fine to mentor with more than one .org Mar 14 18:55:36 but it's a nice lcd ;) Mar 14 18:56:02 jkridner|work: yes, you'll get lots of attention with my .7minutes / day spare time Mar 14 18:56:03 I know DrJoel was looking to mentor with us and RTEMS, but it was on an RTEMS-focused project... Mar 14 18:56:12 so, if there is good overlap. Mar 14 18:56:17 i only have lcd's without backlight Mar 14 18:56:18 jkridner|work: before we do anything else, I should get my a4 booting and see how fast it is Mar 14 18:56:47 mru: you will need to optimize the memory timings :) Mar 14 18:57:01 I always have to do that with new boards Mar 14 18:57:10 I think mru will optimise the memory timings Mar 14 18:58:37 in other news, I finally got a busybox shell on the 6678 Mar 14 18:59:02 yet to run anything self-compiled Mar 14 19:00:23 mru: does the builtin 'bc' run very fast? Mar 14 19:00:40 jessicacallaway_: mru, koen, ds2, av500 have all mentored GSoC before with #beagle Mar 14 19:00:58 I think Ceriand|desktop did also. Mar 14 19:02:29 * aholler needs to write an irssi script which cuts nicks at | Mar 14 19:05:19 * mranostay googles what exactly GSoC is Mar 14 19:05:41 ah google Mar 14 19:05:52 yeah, the summer of code thing. Mar 14 19:06:19 mranostay: are you interested? Mar 14 19:06:49 mranostay: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/601301_10151500185327661_571095031_n.jpg Mar 14 19:07:13 btw. funny name ;) Mar 14 19:15:01 mrpackethead, that looks like some DMX bits Mar 14 19:17:17 looks a lot solder work to do Mar 14 19:17:21 +like Mar 14 19:17:59 just need a Summer of Solder program Mar 14 19:18:18 mrpackethead: nice Mar 14 19:18:31 * mdp dons brown bag Mar 14 19:18:48 summer of frying pans Mar 14 19:21:40 time to bake 3.8.3 Mar 14 19:23:04 seeing ehci patches scheduled for 3.10 is scary ;) Mar 14 19:23:07 that will take me an hour or so, to build i'd guess Mar 14 19:23:25 mrpackethead: how much is the BOM? Mar 14 19:30:43 mranostay: some money Mar 14 19:30:45 :-) Mar 14 19:30:58 depends which way you build it Mar 14 19:31:11 with XLR connectors, or headers Mar 14 19:31:29 the XLRs can be $$$$$ Mar 14 19:31:46 5-10 each iirc Mar 14 19:31:48 yes, $4-$5 each Mar 14 19:32:41 $5 each for the DC/DC converters Mar 14 20:15:20 git remote update Mar 14 20:15:22 uups Mar 14 20:24:51 Hello all Mar 14 20:25:16 I am trying to run my 3G usb modem in Android JB -Beagle Mar 14 20:25:48 And It seems like, I have successfully configured 3G Modem (MTS 3G).Mode-switch succeeds and MODEM enumerated as /dev/ttyUSB* Mar 14 20:25:57 What next Mar 14 20:25:59 ? Mar 14 20:26:15 Was trying to execute some chat scripts Mar 14 20:26:34 but chat binary is missing in android Rootfs Mar 14 20:27:27 #42 Mar 14 20:28:59 anyone can direct me to how to proceed ? Mar 14 20:30:52 i tried with pppwidget , but it showing "no root access" Mar 14 20:33:33 trying to power a wi-fi camera (2W peak power), the adapter it came with steps 100-240AC to 5V, 1.2A.. we were trying to power it with 4xAA = 6V into a 5V, 1A regulator... didn't really work? thoughts? use 2 x 4AA in parallel for more current draw? Mar 14 20:33:47 also, had an issue with an xbee link, could it be interfered with by a DC brushless motor? Mar 14 20:33:57 seems i can't turn the motors off or control them once they are going Mar 14 21:06:28 [kernel] none pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/jGfa6w Mar 14 21:06:28 kernel/master 6682025 Jason Kridner: Note tab with \t Mar 14 21:06:28 kernel/master 276f986 Koen Kooi: README: remove module instructions, they're wrong and don't belong here... Mar 14 21:06:28 kernel/master d94336e Robert Nelson: add export-oe to .gitignore, based on Koen's commit... Mar 14 21:06:58 ah, there we go. Don't think I'd seen it speak before... shouldn't produce a lot of traffic. Mar 14 21:07:18 hopefully making it a notice will make it easier to block. Mar 14 21:35:02 <_av500_> jkridner: gsoc? Mar 14 21:36:08 yes! Mar 14 21:36:38 Google Summer of Code Mar 14 21:37:29 <_av500_> did we apply ? Mar 14 21:40:52 * ogra_ always thought you guys were beyond studying Mar 14 21:42:15 quick OE recipe question... how does one remove the rm work portion? Mar 14 21:42:53 one does not simplely.. Mar 14 21:43:12 thurbad in local.conf Mar 14 21:43:14 heh Mar 14 21:43:23 jkridner: does every troll get an intern^H^H^H^Hperson to mentor Mar 14 21:43:24 exact steps please.. sir :P Mar 14 21:43:32 or maybe overwritting the function with a nop op Mar 14 21:43:34 applications start next week Mar 14 21:43:44 thurbad but whats your problem? Mar 14 21:43:46 ok, I'lll give that a go Mar 14 21:44:17 mranostay: it depends on if we get approved and how many students we get allocated. Mar 14 21:44:26 jkridner: can we make them fight? Mar 14 21:44:33 we did 2-3 mentors per student last time to make sure they had lots of help available. Mar 14 21:44:40 flight? Mar 14 21:44:44 oh, fight. Mar 14 21:44:48 meh, maybe robot fight. Mar 14 21:44:52 trying to tweak ogre for framebuffer support, after every deployment it deletes the staging area Mar 14 21:45:24 jkridner: you need me, mru and _av500_ to mentor one student :) Mar 14 21:45:44 *grins* Mar 14 21:45:49 I don't think I'd do that to any human being, not even davest. :-) Mar 14 21:46:11 davest: is a little to be interning/a student :) Mar 14 21:46:14 or even someone I didn't like. Mar 14 21:46:29 would cut a significant amount of time to be able to reuse the object files for stuff that hasn't changed Mar 14 21:47:08 <_av500_> thurbad: one does not simply..... Mar 14 21:48:38 actually... if commenting the inherit out.. one does simply :P Mar 14 21:50:48 I would mentor a student...as long as it involves hand coding opcodes..not with some high-level macro assembler Mar 14 21:51:20 mmmmm Mar 14 21:51:21 fun! Mar 14 21:51:42 somehow I knew you'd like that too ;) Mar 14 21:52:37 I think the 2 of us could handle that one.. Mar 14 21:52:49 that would be real fun Mar 14 21:52:58 indeed Mar 14 21:53:13 another good one would be OpenFirmware for the voldemort board Mar 14 21:53:23 we need a neckbearded Forth guru to help mentor Mar 14 21:53:38 yup Mar 14 21:54:21 there was a 68HC11 board that everyone was using forth for about 1billion years ago...(or so it seems...) can't remember its name. Mar 14 21:58:16 i coudl mentor someone Mar 14 21:58:26 as long as he/she makes coffee Mar 14 21:58:28 rund errangs Mar 14 21:59:33 * _av500_ could mental all day long Mar 14 22:02:09 washs my car Mar 14 22:03:54 <_av500_> wax on, wax off Mar 14 22:07:50 mdp, you know there is a 6502 project that we could mentor :) Mar 14 22:08:06 now we are talking Mar 14 22:08:17 but gotta run..obligations. Mar 14 22:08:18 bbl Mar 14 22:08:28 laters! Mar 15 00:36:14 hi.. could someone suggest a source for the 2x23 pin headers that are on various capes Mar 15 00:37:07 1 sec Mar 15 00:37:42 bah, not what i was looking for. Mar 15 00:38:15 I think there's a part number or two in the SRM Mar 15 00:40:10 i got some part numbers for major league electronics Mar 15 00:40:19 but rying to find a distributor / reseller for htem Mar 15 00:40:30 i'd like to stick to the ones that are on teh beagle now Mar 15 00:40:30 mrpackethead: http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/SLW-123-01-T-D/SAM1092-23-ND/1104764 looks like one Mar 15 00:40:55 though it may be cheaper to get a 50-pos and snap the extra 4 pins off Mar 15 00:41:39 $1448.81 of prototype parts alrady in my cart Mar 15 00:41:41 :-( Mar 15 00:42:01 Yikes Mar 15 00:42:09 building a new car cape? :x Mar 15 00:42:55 mrpackethead: http://www.adafruit.com/products/706 Mar 15 00:43:42 that might be a good start Mar 15 00:43:44 thanks. Mar 15 00:43:51 yw Mar 15 00:48:57 shady: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/601301_10151500185327661_571095031_n.jpg Mar 15 00:49:47 BAM Mar 15 00:49:48 Pretty. Mar 15 00:50:07 motorized variable thingies? Mar 15 00:50:38 Tubes? Mar 15 00:55:00 DMX-512, Audio out, Real Time clock, and SMPTE Time code Mar 15 00:55:06 :o Mar 15 00:55:09 that's hot. Mar 15 00:55:27 plus you'll stil have the header IO, so you can plug in another cape Mar 15 00:55:31 if you so desire. Mar 15 00:55:43 I think you beat mine for compexity :x Mar 15 00:56:10 i have 5 pcbs ( differnet proejcts ) Mar 15 00:56:12 all arrived today Mar 15 00:56:13 :-( Mar 15 00:56:21 of course Mar 15 00:56:35 mrpackethead: Here's number 1 http://s37.beta.photobucket.com/user/MasterMWL/media/SDCape_zpsaf32f5e5.png.html?sort=3&o=0 Mar 15 00:57:12 what are you doing with that? Mar 15 00:57:19 dual mounting positions for SD cards Mar 15 00:57:29 hopefully it doesn't short if mounted in the farther-in position Mar 15 00:57:35 two sd cards? Mar 15 00:57:38 just one Mar 15 00:57:47 why do you need two? Mar 15 00:57:53 bit confused Mar 15 00:57:56 but can be mounted flush with the PCB, or stick out Mar 15 00:58:03 ahh ok. Mar 15 00:58:36 The more I think about it, though, the more I think the other set of contacts will just fuse themselves to the connector, grounding them all Mar 15 00:59:56 I'll have to dig out an sd slot and measure its underside Mar 15 01:56:18 Niiiiiice. http://www.bgmicro.com/bat1087.aspx **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 15 02:59:58 2013