**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 24 02:59:58 2013 Mar 24 04:15:13 do ding Mar 24 06:22:07 * mranostay routing take one Mar 24 06:23:30 Hmm. Can the BBone do IPC (external to the AM3359) natively? (essentially SPI with Handshaking) Mar 24 06:25:10 MISO/MOSI/SCLK/MRDY/SRDY Mar 24 06:25:37 I see the IPC between the cores on the chip in the TRM Mar 24 06:30:58 Hmm, looks like the CS can be rigged up to do the one direction signal.. the other, hmm Mar 24 06:46:24 <_av500_> morn Mar 24 06:51:47 _av500_: hey hot stuff Mar 24 06:56:55 'lo Mar 24 06:57:13 <_av500_> mranostay: that long part on the PCB is a geiger tube I hope? Mar 24 06:58:10 :D Mar 24 06:58:39 bbone driving the geiger tube directly? Mar 24 06:58:47 <_av500_> mranostay: schametics anywhere? Mar 24 06:58:57 chargepump! gogo Mar 24 06:59:40 _av500_: slider resistor Mar 24 06:59:43 you have eagle? Mar 24 06:59:57 SLIDEZISTER! Mar 24 07:01:22 <_av500_> mranostay: you have print to pdf? Mar 24 07:01:54 <_av500_> or are you sending resumes in .doc? Mar 24 07:04:02 Shadyman: charge pump for geiger counter? are you insane :) Mar 24 07:04:20 _av500_: emailz plz Mar 24 07:06:26 have it nm Mar 24 07:08:29 * mranostay read up on ACPI Mar 24 07:09:05 _av500_: i send my resume in LaTeX Mar 24 07:09:42 mranostay: Chargepump ALL THE THINGS Mar 24 07:10:10 <_av500_> mranostay: thx Mar 24 07:11:03 need to practice my aligorimns Mar 24 07:11:15 i only ever use this #$@$ at interviews Mar 24 07:11:57 <_av500_> mranostay: I guess its a recent trend in schematics to show every part on its own and let the reader connect the nets in his head Mar 24 07:12:44 _av500_: i'm a softeware guy damnit! :) Mar 24 07:12:53 <_av500_> I dont blame you, I see this all the time Mar 24 07:14:09 <_av500_> mranostay: also, drop the silk, put the kitty into the GND plane Mar 24 07:15:12 kitty! Mar 24 07:15:23 there's a kitty on my chair. I'm standing. Mar 24 07:15:39 g'nite! Mar 24 07:16:52 hehe Mar 24 07:18:17 _av500_: seems to be the in think in schematics Mar 24 07:18:22 *thing Mar 24 07:19:34 the fuck is with this python script... Mar 24 07:20:41 _av500_, its a beagle thank you very much Mar 24 07:27:27 <_av500_> Russ: ? Mar 24 07:29:23 <_av500_> ... 0.100″ (2.56mm) ... Mar 24 07:29:29 <_av500_> uh, no :) Mar 24 07:30:05 I put a beagle in my ground plane Mar 24 07:30:12 <_av500_> ah Mar 24 07:30:14 one of these measurements is not like the other... Mar 24 07:30:18 <_av500_> indeed Mar 24 07:30:38 <_av500_> extra kudos for beagleborad in the inner layers Mar 24 07:31:11 I'll have to check the gerbers for that Mar 24 07:31:54 here's a good one http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/8045277592/ Mar 24 07:32:45 nice Mar 24 07:32:53 here's a good example of bad unit conversion Mar 24 07:33:01 Russ: that BGA stuff looks bad ass Mar 24 07:33:04 http://www.flickr.com/photos/russdill/8316092548/ Mar 24 07:33:07 _av500_: so what's the borad equivalent for the beaglebone? beaglebane? Mar 24 07:33:41 dm8tbr: *ahem* beagleborad.org ) Mar 24 07:33:42 :) Mar 24 07:33:46 whois that :) Mar 24 07:34:25 unzip something wild. nice. Mar 24 07:34:35 modern poetry at its highest form. Mar 24 07:35:04 the rasperriis are a nice touchy-feely sort of bonus. Mar 24 07:35:26 what happened to the old one? Mar 24 07:35:48 did rob not appreciate it? Mar 24 07:37:16 Russ: no _av500_ contributed that Mar 24 07:37:18 mranostay: but that's about the borad, what about the bone Mar 24 07:37:37 dm8tbr: the unzip reference Mar 24 07:37:44 pfff Mar 24 07:38:01 Russ: robster was a placeholder Mar 24 07:38:10 but nice touch with the berries Mar 24 07:41:43 i'd get minnowborad.org but that may be CLM :P Mar 24 07:51:33 _av500_: what you use for circuit design? Mar 24 08:00:07 mranostay: he stares at the pcb until it etches itself to the correct design in fear Mar 24 08:18:28 doh odh odh Mar 24 08:27:06 <_av500_> mranostay: mostly coworkers Mar 24 08:27:07 how much is an AM3559 iC? Mar 24 08:27:14 <_av500_> $54 Mar 24 08:27:24 cool Mar 24 08:28:25 22.05 @ 1000 Mar 24 09:56:59 <_av500_> 26 Mar 24 09:57:12 26 Mar 24 10:14:28 54 Mar 24 10:41:55 troll Mar 24 11:54:50 <_av500_> llort Mar 24 12:12:57 trlol Mar 24 12:38:48 <_av500_> llotr Mar 24 15:38:09 Hi guys, have anyone experienced that the beagleboard network port dies when under some load? Mar 24 15:45:08 <_av500_> mru: here'a nice one: http://e2e.ti.com/support/omap/f/849/p/231444/844852.aspx Mar 24 16:49:45 _av500_: you get your omap5432 uEVM ordered? Mar 24 16:51:48 * ka6sox thinks prpplague is pulling av500's leg Mar 24 16:52:24 ka6sox: only slightly as i would never expect _av500_ to actually spend money on one Mar 24 16:52:53 prpplague, +1 Mar 24 16:53:09 yo prpplague Mar 24 16:53:23 XorA: hey bud Mar 24 16:53:44 prpplague: how are you finding your new overlords? Mar 24 16:54:28 XorA: not too bad, not too bad Mar 24 16:54:43 XorA: i just don't like coming in after a project is already set in motion Mar 24 16:54:56 XorA: lots of little "oh shites" to clean up Mar 24 16:55:09 prpplague: hehe, like having a kid then ;-) Mar 24 16:55:53 <_av500_> prpplague: i'm pissed that the one I have is ES1.0 and thus unsupported by now Mar 24 16:56:25 _av500_: hehe Mar 24 16:56:40 ka6sox: https://www.svtronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=33 Mar 24 16:56:45 ka6sox: order away! Mar 24 16:57:22 _av500_: call me sentimental, but i still think i did a decent design for that board Mar 24 16:57:43 prpplague: is svtronics where you are? (thought you were with cco) Mar 24 16:58:05 <_av500_> prpplague: sure Mar 24 16:58:30 emeb_mac: naw i am at CCo Mar 24 16:58:48 emeb_mac: SV had made me an offer, but.... Mar 24 16:58:51 whew! the world has not gone topsy-turvy on me. :) Mar 24 16:59:48 _av500_: nice one Mar 24 18:17:01 Any idea why I'm missing mkfs.ext3? Should I be doing something other than mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda - This is on a Beaglebone A3 Angstrom. Mar 24 18:20:04 ++ Mar 24 18:32:46 Av500: something good to embed on beagleborad.org: http://youtu.be/p1J5sj9Xhjo Mar 24 18:33:29 Phosphate-:why are you partitioning on the board? Mar 24 18:33:46 or formatting rather Mar 24 18:34:11 also sda is a drive, not a partition Mar 24 18:35:25 jkridner: who's inside the boris suit? Mar 24 18:35:44 don't remember Mar 24 18:35:51 so it was you Mar 24 18:36:10 I wouldn't want to remember that either Mar 24 18:36:17 Plausible deniability holds. Mar 24 18:36:42 I'm sure there's some way of analysing the motion Mar 24 18:37:19 I hope not. Mar 24 18:37:25 I'm glad CCO did;nt spend too much time making that video, to distract them from getting it out the door Mar 24 18:37:26 :) Mar 24 18:38:08 actually, I was recently introduced to a forensics student... maybe she knows of some trick... Mar 24 18:44:32 New beagle app going into my workshop today Mar 24 18:44:36 thanks to Russ Mar 24 18:44:54 and is PNP python scripts Mar 24 18:46:25 thurbad: Sorry yes was a typo should have been /dev/sda1. I'm formatting a USB drive, already got it partitioned. Mar 24 18:53:54 what happens if you use mkfs without the .ext3, and specify the type manually Mar 24 18:54:32 that's just another way of invoking mkfs.ext3 Mar 24 18:54:34 If I recall mkfs.ext3 is a convenience shortcut that's not guaranteed to be present Mar 24 18:54:47 thurbad: it's usually the other way around Mar 24 18:54:47 thurbad: mkfs.ext3: No such file or directory Mar 24 18:55:21 I did a find for mkfs.ext3 and don't seem to have it anywhere. Mar 24 18:55:29 the real question is why you're doing this _on_ the beagle Mar 24 18:55:31 do it on a pc Mar 24 18:55:36 as with many of my recollections.. that one was apparently ass backwards :P Mar 24 18:55:53 less chance of usb errors on a pc Mar 24 18:56:00 you compensate for that, you know Mar 24 18:56:02 Yeah :) i've got mkfs.cramfs and .bfs. Kinda odd Mar 24 18:56:21 install e2fstools Mar 24 18:56:27 Yes owuld just do it on a PC but I don't have physical access to the board right now. Mar 24 18:56:38 sorry, e2fsprogs Mar 24 18:56:47 Trying that, thanks mru Mar 24 18:57:13 angstrom isn"t selfreplicating? Mar 24 18:57:15 Already installed. Mar 24 18:58:01 try mke2fs -t ext3 then Mar 24 18:58:21 or ext4 Mar 24 18:58:48 aholler: he seemed to be trying to create an ext3 fs earlier Mar 24 18:59:03 -sh: mke2fs: command not found Mar 24 18:59:13 Yeah I tried ext4 also, same deal. Mar 24 18:59:33 but there shouldn"t be a reason to still use ext3 Mar 24 18:59:55 I'm guessing something may have gone wrong on an opkg update at some point. Mar 24 19:00:02 aholler: I can think of reasons Mar 24 19:00:24 isn't it faster than ext4 and has journal support? Mar 24 19:00:29 the obvious one being some bootloader or other not having ext4 support Mar 24 19:00:47 thurbad: ext4 is journalled Mar 24 19:01:01 and uses extents rather than dumb block allocation Mar 24 19:01:05 so it's much faster in some cases Mar 24 19:01:10 right, but I've heard it was faster than ext4 Mar 24 19:01:15 xfs is more space-efficient though Mar 24 19:01:23 and ext2 is fast bt not journaled Mar 24 19:01:35 I thought it was faster with cheap flash drives but I would be wrong. Mar 24 19:01:45 given any two filesystems, a case can be constructed where either one is faster Mar 24 19:01:46 oops ^ could be Mar 24 19:02:22 ext3 is just a journal bolted onto ext2 Mar 24 19:02:25 <_av500_> jkridner: sorry, no unzip, no website Mar 24 19:02:30 true benchmarks are rather.. misleading Mar 24 19:02:33 so it suffers many of the same problems Mar 24 19:02:40 jkridner, the beagleboardtoys HDMI cape does Audio too? Mar 24 19:02:41 anyway I'm assuming in Angstrom there is supposed to be a /usr/sbin/mkfs.ext4 Mar 24 19:02:54 for example, try deleting a few thousand files from a directory Mar 24 19:03:00 i've been tring to 'destroy' a SDcard in a beagle with random power downs, its formated with ext4 Mar 24 19:03:02 good test of patience Mar 24 19:03:14 actually fffs should be used as root on a sd-card. at least if the promises are true Mar 24 19:03:17 and it seems pretty robust. Mar 24 19:03:32 or delete a single very large file Mar 24 19:03:39 ext4 handles those much better Mar 24 19:04:18 just checked, we are just coming through 6000 power cycles Mar 24 19:04:27 and its still ok Mar 24 19:04:37 * mranostay waves Mar 24 19:04:39 ext3 has the advantage of being relatively simple and mature Mar 24 19:04:48 mranostay: how goes the mockingboard? Mar 24 19:05:13 nice Sparkfun RGB part is broken Mar 24 19:05:37 what is RGB? Mar 24 19:05:46 why is nice than? Mar 24 19:05:55 then Mar 24 19:06:17 boing Mar 24 19:06:34 lets hope next time he comes back the question will be answered :P Mar 24 19:07:14 mrpackethead: Rent Guidelines Board or Rwanda Governance Board Mar 24 19:07:25 probably other things too Mar 24 19:07:38 thanks. Mar 24 19:07:41 mrpackethead: common cathode RGB part Mar 24 19:07:46 all the pads overlap Mar 24 19:07:47 mranostay: oh some led Mar 24 19:08:10 ...mockingboard? Mar 24 19:08:11 common cathode is more unusal than common anode Mar 24 19:08:19 dont' often see that Mar 24 19:08:36 there's some Robert G. Brown too, apparently Mar 24 19:10:25 Rotten Graphics Binders Mar 24 19:10:36 mranostay: whats the part? Mar 24 19:14:45 it"s the unice one Mar 24 19:14:59 or the ugly one :) Mar 24 19:28:20 guess he isn't coming back... Mar 24 19:52:48 <_av500_> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000pcs-6x6x4-3mm-Tactile-Switch-wholesale-Free-shipping/544365469.html Mar 24 19:52:52 <_av500_> OMG, 1000 Mar 24 19:53:34 1000 opportunityes for crappy engineering to stop your project from working Mar 24 19:54:10 <_av500_> ong. 500 jumpers: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/500x-2-54mm-Standard-Circuit-Board-Jumper-Cap-shunts/499152214.html Mar 24 19:54:13 <_av500_> OMG Mar 24 19:54:18 my next project needs 4 each... Mar 24 19:54:23 <_av500_> had I had those in the ISA days Mar 24 19:54:24 but those look like they would die Mar 24 19:56:44 _av500_: i so want to order that Mar 24 19:58:27 <_av500_> the 500 jumpers? Mar 24 19:58:42 <_av500_> jumpercape Mar 24 20:00:58 capes are a nice idea, untill Mar 24 20:26:24 <_av500_> mranostay: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/50pcs-lot-MAX232-MAX232E-MAX232ESE-MAX232CSE-SOP-16-electronic-components-ICs-free-shipping/740078212.html Mar 24 20:32:42 _av500_: so? :) Mar 24 20:44:29 <_av500_> mranostay: you can solder pins to them :) Mar 24 20:45:38 mocking would reach unprecedented levels Mar 24 20:51:38 * mranostay smacks _av500_ Mar 24 20:51:47 with what? Mar 24 20:54:27 * mranostay looks around his desk for a blunt object Mar 24 20:54:42 ah a beer bottle! Mar 24 20:54:52 do you know nothing of irc etiquette? Mar 24 20:55:04 <_av500_> mranostay: don't hurt yourself Mar 24 20:55:52 mru: i don't have a large fish atm Mar 24 20:56:44 a minnow would work. Mar 24 20:57:47 prpplague: we need a troutboard Mar 24 21:08:25 sharkboard Mar 24 21:08:32 surf-board? Mar 24 21:08:34 breadboard Mar 24 21:08:42 divingboard Mar 24 21:08:51 i'm bored Mar 24 21:09:00 there is already a surfborad Mar 24 21:09:34 ironingboard Mar 24 21:09:42 board-walk Mar 24 21:10:08 blackboard Mar 24 21:10:23 I think CCO are allready making a blackboard Mar 24 21:10:30 cardboard Mar 24 21:10:36 chessboard Mar 24 21:11:33 flashboard, headboard, keyboard, onboard, soundboard, storyboard Mar 24 21:11:36 i'm out of ideas now Mar 24 21:14:12 <_av500_> cardboard Mar 24 21:14:23 <_av500_> oops Mar 24 21:21:13 boredboard? Mar 24 21:22:37 boradboard Mar 24 21:22:56 waterboard (it would run windows) Mar 24 21:24:05 _av500_: what is wrong with rounded corners? :) Mar 24 21:26:41 * ka6sox works on growing flame proof scales before submitting the patches upstream... Mar 24 21:27:12 asbestos underwear not good enough? Mar 24 21:27:47 mru, they outlawed asbestos here...you can make $$$ if you are a lawyer in this country off of asbestos :P Mar 24 21:28:24 just don't throw any foam at me and I'll survive. Mar 24 21:28:28 <_av500_> looks ugly to me Mar 24 21:28:28 Russ: what is OSHPark typical lead times? Mar 24 21:28:29 <_av500_> mranostay: think is a bit of nitpicking, but you still have a lot of unneeded corners in your traces Mar 24 21:28:29 <_av500_> this is* Mar 24 21:28:41 mranostay, 2layer or 4layer? Mar 24 21:28:46 2 layer Mar 24 21:29:08 <_av500_> you could drop a lot of corners by moving vias Mar 24 21:29:10 <_av500_> etc.. Mar 24 21:29:24 yes yes first run at the routing :) Mar 24 21:29:27 mranostay, like 5ish days Mar 24 21:29:29 <_av500_> okok Mar 24 21:30:17 well..they can't eat me...so I guess here goes nothing :P Mar 24 21:30:51 mranostay, 2 weeks Mar 24 21:30:57 * mru sends a grue to eat ka6sox Mar 24 21:31:01 heh Mar 24 21:32:29 is there *any* reason on an output to leave pulldowns enabled or the RX enabled (seems like it would just use more POWER if you did that) Mar 24 21:32:31 <_av500_> mranostay: forgot a 5V plane, eh? Mar 24 21:33:02 <_av500_> ask for a 3 layer PCB Mar 24 21:34:01 gah nets weren't 'connected' Mar 24 21:34:15 my license to only good for 2 layers Mar 24 21:34:26 * mranostay pulls up the eaglepage Mar 24 21:34:29 page even Mar 24 21:34:40 if you don't have anything high speed, there isn't much advantage to 4 layer Mar 24 21:34:42 eagleboard.org? Mar 24 21:34:52 smeagleboard Mar 24 21:34:59 turkeyboard? Mar 24 21:34:59 heh Mar 24 21:35:01 that woudl be a winner Mar 24 21:35:42 Russ: nope nothing high speed so noise really won't be an issue Mar 24 21:39:18 <_av500_> mranostay: at least put a solder pad next to the LED so people can add a wire Mar 24 21:39:50 where is the dividing line between a high slew rate IO and a low slew rate IO? Mar 24 21:40:01 right over there Mar 24 21:40:04 medium Mar 24 21:40:24 you know you'll get intellgent answers here Mar 24 21:40:39 its a high slew rate IO if it doesn't work in your first design Mar 24 21:42:41 <_av500_> +1 Mar 24 21:43:10 screw it....I'll call them all high and let the system sort them out... Mar 24 21:43:12 <_av500_> ground bounce ftw Mar 24 21:43:56 sprs717 doesn't even talk about it :P Mar 24 21:45:31 lies! all lies! Mar 24 21:49:17 ka6sox: we have a beagle meeting this week? Mar 24 21:49:52 I'm a mushroom Mar 24 21:51:23 why do I even CARE about machine_is_davinci_*??? Mar 24 22:15:28 ka6sox: you are a mushroom? Mar 24 22:15:46 yes...Kept in the Dark and fed manure :P Mar 24 22:29:18 I get better answers from the cat :P Mar 24 22:38:59 * mranostay worries about ka6sox :P Mar 24 22:49:19 hello all Mar 24 22:49:56 hi you Mar 24 22:50:43 so I am new to beagle.... what is the default web server that is running on Amstrong that comes with the board? Mar 24 22:50:44 okay this is going to be an ugly hack... Mar 24 22:51:48 beaglepuppy, are you running the cloud9 image? Mar 24 22:51:55 wait... Mar 24 22:51:59 *which* beagle? Mar 24 22:52:10 bone Mar 24 22:52:58 okay question stands....*which* image? Mar 24 22:53:31 how do I tell which image? Mar 24 22:53:54 I don't know what image ships with it anymore... Mar 24 22:53:59 oh!! Mar 24 22:54:03 ok, let me see.. Mar 24 22:54:29 why not do a ps Mar 24 22:55:33 bear with me.. I am very new to this... one sec Mar 24 22:57:56 morning woglinde Mar 24 22:59:08 (hence the puppy) Mar 24 22:59:34 lol misfits what a nice series Mar 24 23:00:49 woglinde, ya, pretty amazing Mar 24 23:01:11 everyone of them voted "least likely" Mar 24 23:02:48 ks6sox, cloud9 comes preinstalled yes Mar 24 23:03:41 * ka6sox dunnos Mar 24 23:13:45 beaglepuppy, I would take woglinde's suggestoin Mar 24 23:14:50 gn Mar 24 23:17:50 I think it is node... I don't see an httpd in the ps list Mar 24 23:18:20 and you can connect to it via httpd right? Mar 24 23:19:04 correct Mar 24 23:20:20 OMG...a _troll_ has landed! Mar 24 23:20:36 quick...hide the children Mar 24 23:35:49 _av500_: ok new reroute up Mar 24 23:36:26 are we done with the netsplits? Mar 24 23:39:07 * Shadyman1 ducks Mar 25 00:23:05 that was unsual. My order from mouser arrived today, but it seems they put someone elses order in the box as well... Sadly, nothing very interesting. Mar 25 00:28:54 here we go again Mar 25 00:29:32 mrpackethead, no exploding switches? Mar 25 00:31:15 no.. nothign even very fun Mar 25 00:52:27 * mranostay rides the netsplit Mar 25 01:16:04 * mranostay hides from jkridner Mar 25 01:17:00 ok bbs.. need to walk around Mar 25 01:59:11 ok beer right after coffee ... what is wrong with me? :) Mar 25 01:59:46 mranostay: why not coffee based beer? Mar 25 02:00:02 is there some social and/or sporting event on tv this evening? Mar 25 02:00:03 yeah i saw that one Mar 25 02:00:20 * prpplague wonders why there are so many people having parties in his neighborhood this evening Mar 25 02:00:39 don't watch sports Mar 25 02:26:57 mranostay: not even beagleracing? Mar 25 02:29:21 that is a thing? Mar 25 02:30:25 prpplague: ncaa tournament Mar 25 02:31:00 mdp: yea someone on G+ explained it Mar 25 02:31:09 :) Mar 25 02:31:48 cleaned house and watched a couple games today. my team moves on **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 25 02:59:59 2013