**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 03 02:59:58 2013
Apr 03 03:18:03 <ds2> prpplague: thanks for recommending that scope...it is work about as well as the tek's
Apr 03 03:18:19 <prpplague> ds2: the das oszi?
Apr 03 03:18:36 <ds2> prpplague: the Linux one you were hacking on that had the s3c24xx chip
Apr 03 03:18:46 <ds2> forgot the name (scope is in other room)
Apr 03 03:18:46 <prpplague> ds2: ahh right the das oszi
Apr 03 03:18:54 <ds2> and this is stock
Apr 03 03:19:03 <prpplague> ds2: yea it is sold under so many names i just call it das oszi
Apr 03 03:19:20 <ds2> i suspect i would not be as happy if I got the stm32 based DSO
Apr 03 03:19:29 <ds2> prpplague: yep
Apr 03 03:19:47 <prpplague> ds2: yea, das oszi is much more of a professional tool, even though it is on the inexpensive side
Apr 03 03:20:19 <prpplague> biot and CareBear\ did a lot of hacking on it as well
Apr 03 03:20:28 <ds2> I see
Apr 03 03:20:41 <ds2> (and fwiw, I also tried out the bitscope before)
Apr 03 03:23:48 <prpplague> ahh
Apr 03 03:24:04 <prpplague> ds2: well glad my recommendation was fruitful for you
Apr 03 03:57:55 <nirav> der>
Apr 03 03:57:59 <nirav> anyone der?
Apr 03 03:58:11 <nirav> I am using beagleboard rev-c for a project.
Apr 03 03:58:33 <nirav> my goal is to record audio from a webcam. Microsoft VX-5000
Apr 03 03:58:47 <nirav> i am unable to do so... can anyone help?
Apr 03 04:03:08 <nirav> der?
Apr 03 04:03:10 <nirav> anyone?
Apr 03 04:04:26 <evilwulfie> interesting
Apr 03 04:04:34 <evilwulfie> store the images on what
Apr 03 04:06:23 * mranostay dances in
Apr 03 04:07:07 <nirav> i want to capture audio
Apr 03 04:07:11 <nirav> using the webcam
Apr 03 04:07:24 <nirav> i can capture images and store it...
Apr 03 04:07:30 <nirav> but not audio...
Apr 03 04:07:58 <nirav> i have to use alsa arecord command right? i can see the cam as an audio input device too.. on card1..
Apr 03 04:08:53 <evilwulfie> i dont know that camera device
Apr 03 04:16:02 <nirav> whats the command to record audio from any webcam?
Apr 03 04:41:25 <nirav> i am able to record sound but wen i play back the file there is no sound...
Apr 03 04:41:57 <nirav> i use the command... arecord -f cd -D plughw:1,0 -d 20 test2.wav
Apr 03 04:47:06 <nirav> can anyone help on this?
Apr 03 04:47:17 <nirav> can i set the recording volume?
Apr 03 05:44:13 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 2 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/mF0cqw
Apr 03 05:44:13 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 1dffa3a Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix build when using long paths...
Apr 03 05:44:13 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 8c5d9a6 Koen Kooi: 3.8: interrupt-cells hack and bump PR
Apr 03 05:50:44 <jkridner> koen: any feedback on the right u-boot source to use?
Apr 03 05:52:58 <ds2> isn't that the upstream one with every single feature working perfectly?
Apr 03 05:55:02 <koen> jkridner: try the black branch on my github
Apr 03 05:55:17 <koen> jkridner: I need to redo the hacks to make it work without an EEPROM
Apr 03 06:01:30 <jkridner> koen: do you *know* that one is good?  I want to build on something known-right.
Apr 03 06:04:22 <ds2> let's have the initial build vote ;)
Apr 03 06:07:26 <koen> jkridner: u-boot-denx works as well for me
Apr 03 06:07:31 <koen> so that is known good
Apr 03 06:07:59 <jkridner> k, that is the one that freaks me out that it isn't working.
Apr 03 06:08:15 <jkridner> no idea what could go wrong there.
Apr 03 06:09:16 <Rotti> hi!
Apr 03 06:10:19 <mranostay> hi
Apr 03 06:30:18 <jkridner> deltas too much... going to sleep
Apr 03 06:34:43 <mranostay> jkridner: javascript never sleeps man
Apr 03 06:35:01 <ka6sox> what are deltas?
Apr 03 06:35:10 <ka6sox> airlines?
Apr 03 06:36:22 <koen> jkridner: I just rebase into u-boot-arm/HEAD to drag in Toms fixes: https://github.com/koenkooi/u-boot/commits/black
Apr 03 06:39:47 <mranostay> ka6sox: have worthless airmiles with them :)
Apr 03 06:40:13 * mranostay check Southwests FF program
Apr 03 06:41:46 <mranostay> @#$@#$ no  alliances at all
Apr 03 06:45:49 <av500> koen: what is special about 0x80007fc0?
Apr 03 06:46:38 <ds2> av500: that's the bad memory location :D
Apr 03 06:59:25 <koen> av500: kernel load addres minus uImage header size
Apr 03 07:00:21 <koen> 0x80008000
Apr 03 07:00:59 <koen> this will stop u-boot from copying the kernel from 0x820000000 to 0x80008000
Apr 03 07:01:03 <mranostay> practice safe hex
Apr 03 07:01:46 <koen> of course I should just enable zimage support in uboot :)
Apr 03 07:06:48 <mranostay> morning yegorich
Apr 03 07:34:50 * KotH yawns
Apr 03 07:35:09 <mranostay> KotH: go back to sleep old dude
Apr 03 07:35:27 <KotH> i would.. if i wouldnt have to work
Apr 03 07:35:47 <KotH> and as we figured out yesterday, i'm not that old yet...
Apr 03 07:35:52 <KotH> i was born after the 6502
Apr 03 07:50:33 * koen stabs binutils
Apr 03 07:52:12 <yegorich> mranostay: morning
Apr 03 07:52:52 * koen stabs himself for solving the -march=all gas problem for the 3rd time
Apr 03 07:53:16 <yegorich> playing with irssi
Apr 03 07:55:31 <mranostay> whoa are clock buffers expensive
Apr 03 07:56:05 * mranostay sleeps
Apr 03 07:56:06 <KotH> depends on the frequency
Apr 03 07:56:13 * KotH wakes mranostay up again
Apr 03 07:56:16 <KotH> what do you want to do?
Apr 03 07:56:25 <mranostay> 200 mhz
Apr 03 07:56:50 <ka6sox> sleep 10?
Apr 03 07:56:59 <KotH> mranostay: those shouldnt be expensive
Apr 03 07:57:05 <KotH> <10usd at most
Apr 03 07:57:08 <ka6sox> MAR8
Apr 03 07:58:57 <KotH> ka6sox: minicircuits mar8?
Apr 03 07:59:18 <ka6sox> ya
Apr 03 07:59:58 <KotH> do you want to see how mranostay abuses an HF amplifier? :)
Apr 03 08:00:08 <ka6sox> VHF Amp...
Apr 03 08:00:12 <ka6sox> ya, I do...
Apr 03 08:00:16 <ka6sox> should be "interesting"
Apr 03 08:00:25 <ka6sox> he might burn his fingers again.
Apr 03 08:00:30 <KotH> hehe
Apr 03 08:09:48 <av500> wow, 2^17s time jump
Apr 03 08:13:45 <woglinde> gm
Apr 03 08:31:39 <mrpackethead> anyone find some bosen hicks today
Apr 03 08:36:09 <KotH> no, but my msp430 shows a behaviour, that sience cannot explain
Apr 03 08:37:56 <av500> like mine
Apr 03 08:38:00 <av500> at least I cannot
Apr 03 08:38:34 <KotH> what does yours do?
Apr 03 08:54:00 <dm8tbr> av500: which intel board did your coworker have?
Apr 03 08:55:14 <av500> sec
Apr 03 08:59:17 <dm8tbr> tnx
Apr 03 08:59:32 <av500> dm8tbr: DN2800MT
Apr 03 08:59:48 <dm8tbr> thanks, friend of mine asked for a cheap intel board
Apr 03 09:02:22 <av500> dm8tbr: was ~100€ with RAM
Apr 03 09:02:49 <av500> dunno if there is a newer one
Apr 03 09:03:00 <av500> dm8tbr: bastian uses it as his main PC at home
Apr 03 09:32:58 <KotH> ok... now it gets really ridiculous: http://techland.time.com/2013/04/02/the-double-standard-in-the-room-redigi-and-the-now-illegal-resale-of-mp3s/
Apr 03 09:33:19 <av500> borink
Apr 03 09:33:24 <av500> mp3's are not *bought*
Apr 03 09:33:31 <av500> hence you cannot resell them
Apr 03 09:33:35 <av500> same for ebooks
Apr 03 09:33:41 <av500> you no buy, you no sell
Apr 03 09:33:42 <KotH> read the explenation
Apr 03 09:33:53 <av500> read what?
Apr 03 09:33:56 <KotH> the judge ruled that you own the mp3s you've bought
Apr 03 09:34:16 <KotH> but selling them infringes copyright, because you are not giving away your copy, but creating a new one
Apr 03 09:34:37 <av500> you own the ones you bought
Apr 03 09:34:45 <av500> but most likely you did not *buy* them
Apr 03 09:34:49 <KotH> hehe
Apr 03 09:35:02 <av500> hence that ruling is a non-issue
Apr 03 09:35:10 <KotH> well.. you can see it that way
Apr 03 09:35:53 <av500> well, I guess thats how the content owners see it
Apr 03 09:36:24 <av500> 2.1 Rights Granted. Upon payment for Music Content, we grant you a non-exclusive, non-transferable right to use the Music Content only for your personal, non-commercial, entertainment use, subject to the Agreement.
Apr 03 09:36:28 <av500> e.e. amazon
Apr 03 09:36:32 <KotH> so the content owner doesnt want to sell mp3s because mp3s will not be bought?
Apr 03 09:36:43 <av500> they will
Apr 03 09:36:51 <av500> but they do not want to "sell" to you the content
Apr 03 09:36:55 <av500> they license it to you
Apr 03 09:37:00 <av500> see what I pasted
Apr 03 09:37:19 <ogra_> you would have to "buy" it on actual media
Apr 03 09:37:30 <ogra_> like "vinyl ebooks "...
Apr 03 09:37:32 <ogra_> ;)
Apr 03 09:37:37 <av500> right
Apr 03 09:37:48 <KotH> av500: i wonder how legal that is
Apr 03 09:37:58 <av500> KotH: well, challenge it
Apr 03 09:38:10 <KotH> av500: dont tempt me :)
Apr 03 09:38:13 <av500> the tech press whines for years about how one cannot resell
Apr 03 09:38:20 <av500> nobody mentions that its not bought
Apr 03 09:38:35 <av500> because whining about resell is easy
Apr 03 09:39:07 <av500> educating people about "licensing" will make amazon place less ads
Apr 03 09:39:16 <av500> simple
Apr 03 09:39:39 <av500> KotH: wrt legal, you are free to decline the amazon TOS
Apr 03 09:39:48 <av500> and buy a physical CD
Apr 03 09:40:19 <KotH> av500: well.. you can argue that amazon is misleading its customers by claiming that you buy the mp3 (the button is clearly labled as "buy this mp3" and not "license this mp3")
Apr 03 09:40:30 <av500> yes
Apr 03 09:40:41 <av500> yet, nobody does
Apr 03 09:40:46 <av500> argue I mean
Apr 03 09:40:59 <KotH> most people have no fucking clue...
Apr 03 09:41:06 <woglinde> you too
Apr 03 09:41:11 <KotH> juup
Apr 03 09:42:12 <KotH> anyways.. lunch time
Apr 03 09:42:15 <KotH> en guete zäme!
Apr 03 09:42:52 <av500> KotH: https://plus.google.com/u/0/105047371315992982745/posts/Cimqj26Hk8b
Apr 03 09:47:56 <woglinde> useless discussion
Apr 03 09:48:02 <woglinde> we had it 100 times
Apr 03 09:48:04 <woglinde> already
Apr 03 09:49:01 <av500> [11:33:19] <av500> borink
Apr 03 09:49:04 <av500> :)
Apr 03 10:35:00 <shoragan_ptx> Has anyone already tried using the am335x ADC IIO driver? I have /sys/bus/iio/devices/iio:device0/, but the IIO files are missing...
Apr 03 10:35:13 <shoragan_ptx> (with koen's patch stack on 3.8)
Apr 03 10:40:02 <koen> shoragan_ptx: you'll need the iio-helper kernel thing
Apr 03 10:40:25 <koen> shoragan_ptx: try loading /lib/firmware/cape-bone-iio-00A0.dtbo
Apr 03 10:40:44 <koen> shoragan_ptx: for some reason the sysfs entries don't show up in the IIO patches we use
Apr 03 10:41:09 <koen> then again, the patches from TI that we use didn't work at all
Apr 03 10:41:31 <koen> shoragan_ptx: note that the iio-helper readings are in mV, not bits
Apr 03 10:41:40 <koen> so it goes to 1800, not 4096
Apr 03 10:41:47 <koen> (scaling can be changed in the DT)
Apr 03 11:11:49 <KotH> av500: hehe... i like those "i ignore the law because i dont agree with it" guys
Apr 03 11:14:11 <av500> yes
Apr 03 11:14:35 <av500> that helps a ton when discussing stuff like copyright reforms :)
Apr 03 11:17:22 <tomba> KotH: I guess french/us/all the other revolutinaries would disagree on your view of obeying the law ;)
Apr 03 11:21:22 <KotH> tomba: i'm swiss, if i disagree with a law, i change it ;)
Apr 03 11:22:35 <tomba> with your assault rifle? ;)
Apr 03 11:23:56 <KotH> no, that one is reserved only for defending the law :)
Apr 03 11:24:10 <KotH> and fighting off attacks from blue-land
Apr 03 11:26:38 <tomba> hmm, ok, so you (try to) change the law by citizen's initiative, or such, and the people who like drm defend it with assault rifles?
Apr 03 11:29:33 <KotH> nope, we agree upon a law and then defend it from the evil foreigners with our rifles
Apr 03 11:32:24 <f11f12> hello, I built busybox for my beaglebone but I can't get a console (on USB) my inittab contains a line: ttyS0::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100  and I get the following output: can't open /dev/ttyS0: No such file or directory. I made a /dev/ttyS0  (character,4,64), so that's present & rw
Apr 03 11:40:51 <woglinde> f11f12 why you do not use official image which has a working busybox
Apr 03 11:41:33 <KotH> and wasnt the device named differntly?
Apr 03 11:43:34 <f11f12> woglinde, my card contains a system based on arago, quite big. where can I get the busybox based image?
Apr 03 11:44:55 <KotH> if you need something small, try buildroot
Apr 03 11:45:12 <KotH> iirc there are receips for beaglebone ready for use
Apr 03 11:45:21 <KotH> and if not... it usually builds w/o probs
Apr 03 11:47:03 <f11f12> KotH, if there's a busybox based system available, I'd prefer that.
Apr 03 11:49:34 <koen> f11f12: since you're using the TI stuff, you'd need to ask TI for support, not #beagle
Apr 03 11:49:39 <koen> f11f12: e2e.ti.com
Apr 03 11:51:30 <f11f12> the ti stuff is to big, I just have no local console on my beagle bone using busybox (network/telnet works)
Apr 03 11:55:57 <KotH> if the ti stuff is too big, then dont use it
Apr 03 11:56:20 <av500> TI uses MEGABOX
Apr 03 12:02:34 <shoragan_ptx> koen, thanks for the pointer, i'll try that
Apr 03 12:03:33 <koen> shoragan_ptx: keep in mind that pretty much all the am335x drivers done by TI india were only tested by putting platform data in board-generic.c
Apr 03 12:03:53 <koen> so the DT paths were never tested
Apr 03 12:06:48 <av500> koen: so board-generic.c is the new place?
Apr 03 12:07:01 <panto> av500, +1 trolling points
Apr 03 12:07:06 <av500> will there be board-generic-beagle.c?
Apr 03 12:07:30 <av500> panto: I am serious, I need to instruct the Chinese subcontractors
Apr 03 12:07:58 <KotH> beagle...serious business
Apr 03 12:08:22 <panto> av500, just have them bang on the keyboard until it compiles
Apr 03 12:08:35 <av500> we are past that
Apr 03 12:08:52 <panto> bang on the keyboard while wearing gloves then?
Apr 03 12:10:44 <KotH> what happens if the chinese take of the gloves?
Apr 03 12:15:39 * woglinde wonders that is an arago image at all for the bone
Apr 03 12:15:44 <woglinde> +there
Apr 03 12:16:05 <woglinde> f11f12 did you try to run a beagleboard arago image on bone?
Apr 03 12:16:06 <av500> yes
Apr 03 12:16:43 <woglinde> and why has it non working busybox
Apr 03 12:16:48 <woglinde> that makes no sence
Apr 03 12:16:55 <f11f12> woglinde: I've got my own busybox working by now, major/minor should be 253/0
Apr 03 12:17:07 <ogra_> that box was to busy :)
Apr 03 12:17:13 <f11f12> that was all
Apr 03 12:17:28 <woglinde> uhm
Apr 03 12:17:55 <woglinde> hm my magic hands for selfixing
Apr 03 12:18:02 <woglinde> another job well done
Apr 03 12:18:30 <ogra_> jedi waved ?
Apr 03 12:19:27 <f11f12> Still, if there a reference image running busybox I'd be happy to try it. I've googled some of them but I'm not sure which one I should look at. any recommendations?
Apr 03 12:21:35 <koen> the image on the sd card that came with your beaglebone has busybox
Apr 03 12:22:45 <f11f12> ...had, I'm not the first one who uses this board. can I download it somewhere?
Apr 03 12:23:20 <f11f12> when I got my (used) bone + card it booted the arago stuff
Apr 03 12:27:05 <av500> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone
Apr 03 12:30:57 <f11f12> ok, thanks!
Apr 03 12:31:33 <proesel> Hello, Is these the right place for a beagle newbie to ask some questions?
Apr 03 12:32:19 <KotH> it might be, or it might not be
Apr 03 12:32:28 <KotH> depends on your level of trollresilience
Apr 03 12:33:38 <proesel> Ok, lets test it ;-).
Apr 03 12:34:31 <av500> yes it is
Apr 03 12:36:29 <proesel> I want to write some code on my beagle. I want to use C and C++. I already installed the ubuntu from the elinux website now I want to choose a IDE. What IDE would you recommend?
Apr 03 12:37:00 <cmicali> proesel: I've had good luck with netbeans - it allows you to remote/build/debug easily.
Apr 03 12:37:28 <cmicali> proesel: here's an oldish tutorial on how to get going: http://mechomaniac.com/BeagleboardDevelopmentWithNetbeans
Apr 03 12:38:18 <cmicali> i'm not a huge netbeans fan, but it's saved me some time, and the gdb interface is nie
Apr 03 12:39:42 <proesel> ok I will try it. Thanks !
Apr 03 12:40:43 <KotH> proesel: use the ide you are most familiar with on the desktop
Apr 03 12:40:53 <KotH> proesel: you will be developing on the desktop anyways
Apr 03 12:41:26 <KotH> proesel: if you need to debug your stuff on the beagle, you will not be the ide but do it by hand, like in the good old days, with printf's and gdb
Apr 03 12:41:48 * KotH throws a few verbs after that sentence...
Apr 03 12:42:06 <ogra_> verbs are overrated
Apr 03 12:42:17 <KotH> yeah..
Apr 03 12:42:22 <KotH> we should be all speaking klingon!
Apr 03 12:42:32 <ogra_> like vowels
Apr 03 12:42:39 <KotH> arabic?
Apr 03 12:43:11 <ogra_> well, definitely not finnish :)
Apr 03 12:43:48 <proesel> I'm new to the business. I used µVision for some cortex controllers.
Apr 03 12:44:07 <av500> proesel: for many people here the "IDE" is a text editor and a make file
Apr 03 12:44:22 <KotH> ogra_: yeah.. learning the use of all 15 cases would be a pain
Apr 03 12:44:32 <av500> a very few also use something callled "thinking"
Apr 03 12:44:33 <proesel> but i read that its tricky to install the toolchain
Apr 03 12:45:07 <KotH> yes, extremely tricky... it involves something called "reading a manual" or "reading a howto"
Apr 03 12:45:30 <av500> KotH: howto read a howto?
Apr 03 12:45:42 <ogra_> exact steps ?
Apr 03 12:45:54 <KotH> av500: that cannot be taught! only experienced!
Apr 03 12:46:09 <KotH> proesel: it might be a bit outdated, but get that book: http://www.amazon.com/Embedded-Linux-Primer-Practical-Real-World/dp/0131679848
Apr 03 12:46:40 <proesel> :-) ok !! give me a change to try it by my self. Then I will see how tricky it is
Apr 03 12:46:47 <av500> sure
Apr 03 12:46:52 <av500> change given
Apr 03 12:47:06 <ogra_> how much was it ?
Apr 03 12:47:11 * ogra_ couldnt see
Apr 03 12:47:11 <av500> exact change!
Apr 03 12:47:15 <ogra_> !
Apr 03 12:47:24 <KotH> change we can believe in?
Apr 03 12:47:38 <ogra_> yes we can !
Apr 03 12:47:39 <av500> exact
Apr 03 12:47:44 <ogra_> (it was exact after all)
Apr 03 12:49:10 <KotH> proesel: oh.. and in case you do not allready: throw away all your windows machines and start working on linux only
Apr 03 12:49:15 <keesj> proesel: it can be quite hard to get started (and using an ide might be a dead end). if the code is high level enough develop using something like qt and qtcreator
Apr 03 12:49:31 <av500> depends
Apr 03 12:49:32 <KotH> proesel: and dont use ubuntu or redhat or suse.. use something archaic like debian or arch
Apr 03 12:49:39 <av500> SLS?
Apr 03 12:49:44 <KotH> LFS
Apr 03 12:50:10 <KotH> though, since lfs got published, doing an lfs got too easy
Apr 03 12:50:26 <av500> then start with less than scratch
Apr 03 12:50:33 <av500> lfta
Apr 03 12:50:50 <keesj> proesel: it looks like this channel won't be helpfull today
Apr 03 12:51:02 <ogra_> kernel and busybox are enough for everyone !
Apr 03 12:51:11 <av500> ogra_: kernel is enough
Apr 03 12:51:20 <av500> proesel: just bear with us
Apr 03 12:51:20 <ogra_> cant run shell scripts
Apr 03 12:51:37 <av500> ogra_: systemd does not need no friggin shell scripts
Apr 03 12:51:45 <ogra_> lol
Apr 03 12:52:08 <av500> proesel: what kind of development are you looking at?
Apr 03 12:52:30 <KotH> keesj: why not?
Apr 03 12:52:33 <keesj> proesel: Android has nice development tools and many books
Apr 03 12:52:37 <proesel> For the moment I decided for the ubuntu 12.04 . You dont think thats ok for the begining?
Apr 03 12:52:54 <KotH> keesj: so far, the channel seems to be very helpfull.. at least we didnt hang proesel or burn him on the stake.. just for fun :)
Apr 03 12:53:03 <KotH> er.. i mean.. for SCIENCE!
Apr 03 12:53:08 <av500> fun!
Apr 03 12:53:31 <av500> proesel: why not go with what comes with the board?
Apr 03 12:53:37 <av500> i.e. angstrom
Apr 03 12:53:52 <cmicali> proesel: it's fine, depending on what your target project is though you may want to use angstrom
Apr 03 12:54:41 <KotH> proesel: could it be that a lot of people are starting doing something with the beagle at LRZ these days?
Apr 03 12:55:19 <proesel> I want to use it for my bachelor thesis. The task is to build a type of navigation device.
Apr 03 12:55:33 <proesel> Oh yes,
Apr 03 12:56:29 <proesel> many people start at the moment. Exams are ofer and we have some weeks to work fulltime on the projects
Apr 03 12:56:57 <KotH> ah.. that explains the inrush of bavarians
Apr 03 12:57:12 <proesel> :-)
Apr 03 12:57:22 <ogra_> if you want to do ubuntu and navigational stuff, i'd go with ubuntu touch instead (though there is no port for the beagle yet)
Apr 03 12:57:37 <ogra_> ubuntu desktop isnt actually an embedded system
Apr 03 12:57:46 <ogra_> fo a desktop on the XM ... better take angstrom
Apr 03 12:58:47 <av500> navigation as in installing Android and using google maps?
Apr 03 12:59:25 <proesel> ok I understand that.
Apr 03 13:00:27 <proesel> navigation at 3D space without maps
Apr 03 13:00:55 <ogra_> yeah, you definitely dont want ubuntu ...
Apr 03 13:01:21 <ogra_> (unless you want to use UTouch)
Apr 03 13:01:36 <proesel> but is it ok if I use ubuntu for the moment and switch after ?
Apr 03 13:01:46 <ogra_> as you like ...
Apr 03 13:02:39 <av500> proesel: you can do 90% of your development on any linux PC
Apr 03 13:02:40 <ogra_> if you work on high level it doesnt really matter exept for the spare resources the system gives you in the end ..
Apr 03 13:03:00 <av500> ogra_: fun, we said the same in different words :)
Apr 03 13:03:08 <ogra_> and there ubuntu desktop really sucks ... it simply isnt designed  for such HW
Apr 03 13:03:16 <ogra_> av500, heh, yeah
Apr 03 13:03:38 * av500 quotes ogra: [15:03:08] <ogra_> and there ubuntu desktop really sucks ..<truncated>
Apr 03 13:03:55 <ogra_> proesel, note that i work for canonical, and actually did the first port of ubuntu to the beagle ... i would every time recommend angstrom on that device
Apr 03 13:04:08 <ogra_> over ubuntu desktop ...
Apr 03 13:04:11 <KotH> lol
Apr 03 13:04:19 <KotH> company dedication ;)
Apr 03 13:05:29 <Crofton|work> ogra_, thanks for being honest :)
Apr 03 13:05:31 <ogra_> pure realism :)
Apr 03 13:06:17 <proesel> ok, and is there a build angstrom distribution you would recommend? or would you build one from these builder (cant remember the name)
Apr 03 13:06:43 <proesel> narcissus
Apr 03 13:06:47 * ogra_ hands over to the angstrom guys :)
Apr 03 13:07:43 <av500> proesel: you can start from a stock image
Apr 03 13:07:47 <Crofton|work> heh, I've been known to suggest ubuntu to people who annoy me
Apr 03 13:07:59 <av500> and then opkg install what you need
Apr 03 13:08:12 <av500> or you can spare a few h and GB and compile it yourself
Apr 03 13:08:14 * Crofton|work runs his own builds and is not sure what the entry level path is
Apr 03 13:08:39 <av500> Crofton|work: but you are a level2 advanced noob
Apr 03 13:08:51 <Crofton|work> :)
Apr 03 13:09:36 <Crofton|work> we ned jkridner
Apr 03 13:09:40 <proesel> level 2 . which I deserve this?
Apr 03 13:09:47 <Crofton|work> or look at bb.org
Apr 03 13:09:48 <jkridner> ?
Apr 03 13:11:22 <Crofton|work> do we have instructions for installing the xm vaildation image
Apr 03 13:11:23 <keesj> it's all just to compilated. use Android
Apr 03 13:11:34 <av500> keesj: ???
Apr 03 13:11:43 <av500> not minix?
Apr 03 13:12:00 <keesj> next you need to choose a ui and development language and next... start doing opengl and dbus stuff
Apr 03 13:12:25 <Crofton|work> https://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardDiagnosticsNext
Apr 03 13:13:19 <koen> Crofton|work: please don't point people to that code.google site
Apr 03 13:13:28 <keesj> av500: MINIX doesn't have c++ support or a proper ui (but we are working on it)
Apr 03 13:13:31 <koen> Crofton|work: we've been trying to kill it with fire for some years now
Apr 03 13:14:17 <KotH> koen: what's wrong with it?
Apr 03 13:14:18 <av500> koen: its a wiki
Apr 03 13:14:21 <av500> delete it
Apr 03 13:14:23 <KotH> koen: beside endorsing ec2
Apr 03 13:14:39 <Crofton|work> well, what is the proper url
Apr 03 13:15:04 <Crofton|work> I got there from here: http://beagleboard.org/hardware-xM
Apr 03 13:15:30 <keesj> http://www.minix3.org/other/MINIX-demo-720.mp4 shows state of the art MINIX ui and hardware development(on the beagle)
Apr 03 13:16:30 <keesj> we can only handle spacial movements in one direction :P
Apr 03 14:10:04 <Stefan_____> Hi guys! I finally got back to working on my PRU stuff :) But I don't seem to be able to boot the kernel :) I get this -- any ideas? http://pastebin.com/p4Mt1ASu
Apr 03 14:10:41 <jkridner> keesj: is that a link I can post to the Google+ news feed?
Apr 03 14:12:08 <woglinde> stefan Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00000e05).
Apr 03 14:12:20 <woglinde> its clear nor?
Apr 03 14:12:28 <koen> alan_o: http://hastebin.com/qaqajojabu.m
Apr 03 14:12:41 <woglinde> your device tree file find no match in the kernel
Apr 03 14:14:11 <av500> id rather say he has no device tree
Apr 03 14:15:11 <woglinde> av500 hm and linux 3.8.4 has prober bone support?
Apr 03 14:15:18 <Stefan_____> av500: that's the dts file right?
Apr 03 14:15:31 <av500> yes
Apr 03 14:15:34 <av500> woglinde: yes
Apr 03 14:15:43 <woglinde> okay
Apr 03 14:15:50 <alan_o> koen: woot!
Apr 03 14:15:51 <woglinde> I thought was 3.2 or so
Apr 03 14:16:03 <av500> woglinde: all the current work is on 3.8
Apr 03 14:16:21 <woglinde> okay
Apr 03 14:17:14 <Stefan______> srry, had to reconnect
Apr 03 14:17:26 <Stefan______> So I followed the instructions...
Apr 03 14:17:36 <Stefan______> Must have done something wrong I suppose
Apr 03 14:17:51 <Stefan______> the dts and uImage go on in /boot in rootfs, or on the other partition?
Apr 03 14:18:29 <av500> yes
Apr 03 14:18:34 <av500> but your uboot has to load dts
Apr 03 14:18:37 <av500> or dtb
Apr 03 14:18:48 <av500> pastebin a boot log
Apr 03 14:18:56 <Stefan______> I did
Apr 03 14:19:00 <panto> if you use the beagleboard kernel just do make uImage-dtb.am335x-bone to get a combined uImage+dtb
Apr 03 14:19:03 <cmicali> Stefan______: maybe stupid question, but you put the .dtb in /boot, not dts right?
Apr 03 14:19:18 <av500> Stefan_____too old
Apr 03 14:19:24 <av500> Stefan______:  too old
Apr 03 14:19:34 <Stefan______> http://pastebin.com/p4Mt1ASu
Apr 03 14:19:36 <av500> get a recent uboot or append the dtb
Apr 03 14:19:38 <Stefan______> av500: too old?
Apr 03 14:19:42 <av500> your uboot
Apr 03 14:19:49 <av500> or rather your env
Apr 03 14:20:03 <woglinde> lol yes
Apr 03 14:20:04 <woglinde> 2011.0
Apr 03 14:20:09 <Stefan______> av500: It's the latest image from the angstrom site
Apr 03 14:20:09 <woglinde> thats old
Apr 03 14:20:24 <cmicali> Stefan______: you have to build and install a newer uboot to your sdcard
Apr 03 14:20:33 <cmicali> there is unfortunately no image available for the newer one
Apr 03 14:20:34 <av500> Stefan______: yes, it works with the latest kernel there
Apr 03 14:20:40 <Stefan______> cmicali: I had a hunch
Apr 03 14:20:42 <av500> but not with 3.8
Apr 03 14:20:45 <Stefan______> av500: Got a tutorial :D
Apr 03 14:20:48 <woglinde> newer MLO too?
Apr 03 14:21:03 <Stefan______> av500: I mean do you have a link :)
Apr 03 14:21:12 <woglinde> I wonder how he gets such old uboot and such a new kernel from one site
Apr 03 14:21:19 <av500> he does not
Apr 03 14:21:25 <Stefan______> woglinde: yes I did not
Apr 03 14:21:26 <cmicali> stock sd image + new kernel
Apr 03 14:21:27 <av500> and never said that
Apr 03 14:21:52 <Stefan______> woglinde: Just like av500 and cmicali said it :) -- got the image from the angstrom site, and the latest kernel from github
Apr 03 14:22:04 <av500> 1) get mainline uboot and compile
Apr 03 14:22:08 <av500> 2) do as panto said
Apr 03 14:22:18 <av500> 2) comes with trusting a greek, so beware...
Apr 03 14:22:37 <Stefan______> av500: could you repeat what panto said -- I lost it in the disconnect :(
Apr 03 14:23:08 <Stefan______> av500: so 1) is as simple as that? Is it compile or cross-compile?
Apr 03 14:24:08 <av500> [16:19:00] <panto> if you use the beagleboard kernel just do make uImage-dtb.am335x-bone to get a combined uImage+dtb
Apr 03 14:24:21 <av500> Stefan______: cross I would say
Apr 03 14:24:27 <av500> since you cannot boot :)
Apr 03 14:25:53 <Stefan______> av500: I heard the compile options are tricky to get right though
Apr 03 14:27:24 <av500> nope
Apr 03 14:27:57 <av500> ake CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux- am335x_evm
Apr 03 14:28:00 <av500> make*
Apr 03 14:28:54 <Stefan______> Cool :)
Apr 03 14:28:57 <Stefan______> Thanks!
Apr 03 14:29:19 <Stefan______> cmicali was kind enough to give me the result of that so I think I'll skip the step
Apr 03 14:30:03 <av500> Stefan______: cheater
Apr 03 14:30:15 * bradfa loves the Internet
Apr 03 14:31:01 <av500> 10 5.25" floppies for 7€ + shipping
Apr 03 14:33:06 <Stefan______> av500: It's now stuck in a loop -- http://pastebin.com/iZDZBWnx
Apr 03 14:33:14 * f11f12 gives av500 a TK50 tape
Apr 03 14:33:50 <av500> that wont fit the Osborne1
Apr 03 14:34:08 <av500> Stefan______: kill the uEnv.txt pls
Apr 03 14:34:10 <av500> use the stock
Apr 03 14:34:22 <av500> I see no loading of dtb in your log
Apr 03 14:34:46 <Stefan______> av500: not done the uImage dtb combo thing panto suggested yet
Apr 03 14:34:53 <Stefan______> av500: should I before the next attempt?
Apr 03 14:35:04 <av500> ?
Apr 03 14:35:06 <Stefan______> av500: I am using the proposed uEnv.txt from the repo
Apr 03 14:35:42 <Stefan______> I've not done this: [16:19:00] <panto> if you use the beagleboard kernel just do make uImage-dtb.am335x-bone to get a combined uImage+dtb
Apr 03 14:35:57 <Stefan______> I just made a separate uImage and dtb
Apr 03 14:36:03 <av500> and a newer uboot?
Apr 03 14:36:55 <Stefan______> yes, you can see from the pastebin it's
Apr 03 14:37:02 <Stefan______> U-Boot 2012.10 (Feb 25 2013 - 11:10:28)
Apr 03 14:37:06 <av500> what proposed uenv?
Apr 03 14:37:18 <av500> you dont need uenv
Apr 03 14:37:23 <av500> just stock mainline uboot
Apr 03 14:37:48 <Stefan______> The one from here: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8
Apr 03 14:38:18 <woglinde> av500 is in good mood
Apr 03 14:38:23 <av500> ah
Apr 03 14:38:40 <Stefan______> av500: Sorry for the dumb questions but Linux booting is a dark art for me :) It's like magic
Apr 03 14:38:50 <mdp> it *is* magic
Apr 03 14:39:09 <mdp> others will try to persuade you that it's some kind of science..but they lie
Apr 03 14:39:20 <av500> CPU runs SW, film at 11
Apr 03 14:39:29 <Stefan______> lol
Apr 03 14:39:30 <mdp> "It's just software!"
Apr 03 14:39:35 <Stefan______> so what do I do :D
Apr 03 14:39:55 <mdp> when in danger or in doubt run in circles scream and shout
Apr 03 14:40:33 <Stefan______> mdp: Did that -- good thing is that there's nobody around :D
Apr 03 14:49:14 <bradfa> mdp, my coworkers think there's something wrong with me
Apr 03 14:49:27 <bradfa> I'll try your advice
Apr 03 14:49:55 <Stefan______> av500: Ok, fixed it :)
Apr 03 14:50:10 <Stefan______> av500: stock uEnv + the combined uImage+dtb is good
Apr 03 14:50:50 <av500> hmm
Apr 03 14:51:01 <Stefan______> does this look reasonable? http://pastebin.com/H2RX27Z7
Apr 03 14:52:49 <KotH> woglinde: must be chocolate induced
Apr 03 14:53:41 <Stefan______> KotH: Argh, don't mention chocolate, now I need to go buy some from the corner store :/
Apr 03 14:54:07 <woglinde> I am going home now
Apr 03 14:54:11 <woglinde> till later
Apr 03 14:54:15 <KotH> cya woglinde
Apr 03 14:54:21 <panto> cya
Apr 03 14:54:32 <KotH> Stefan______: but do yourself a favor and buy only good swiss chocolate
Apr 03 14:54:44 <KotH> Stefan______: and not those cheap ripoffs!
Apr 03 14:54:45 <KotH> ;)
Apr 03 14:55:06 <Stefan______> KotH: I'll see what the budget allows for when I get there -- Lindt ok?
Apr 03 14:57:57 <KotH> lindt is ok
Apr 03 14:58:09 <KotH> though i like läderach better
Apr 03 14:58:17 <KotH> callier isnt bad either
Apr 03 14:58:22 <Stefan______> I don't think we get either here
Apr 03 14:58:24 <Stefan______> :(
Apr 03 14:58:30 <KotH> third world country!
Apr 03 14:58:35 <Stefan______> It's Cadburry's which is horrible!
Apr 03 14:58:58 <Stefan______> brb
Apr 03 14:59:09 <KotH> please dont use the c-word around me, thanks
Apr 03 14:59:22 <Stefan______> lol, I apologize
Apr 03 15:00:07 <mdp> bradfa, I look strange even doing that in the home office
Apr 03 15:01:16 <KotH> something is wrong
Apr 03 15:01:26 <KotH> i'm alone... in the office.. at 17:00
Apr 03 15:01:44 <av500> run
Apr 03 15:01:49 * KotH hides
Apr 03 15:02:31 * KotH corrects that condition and leaves as well
Apr 03 15:07:14 <av500> nice one: ...Galaksija's interpreter can report only a few error messages - "WHAT?" (used for syntax errors), "HOW?" (indicating that requested operation is theoretically impossible) and "SORRY" (errors due to system limitations). This made more ROM space available to code....
Apr 03 15:12:43 <Wulfman> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian <--- will this run on the bone ? it says beagleboard
Apr 03 15:12:53 <av500> bone != board
Apr 03 15:13:00 <Wulfman> i realize that
Apr 03 15:13:13 <av500> ah
Apr 03 15:13:16 <Wulfman> i want debian for the bone and thats what i saw
Apr 03 15:13:16 <av500> it mentions bone
Apr 03 15:13:31 <av500> so it might
Apr 03 15:13:35 <Wulfman> i am waiting the black
Apr 03 15:13:38 <Wulfman> for
Apr 03 15:14:28 <koen> hmmm
Apr 03 15:14:36 <koen> 205:      42744      GPIO  spi1.0
Apr 03 15:26:15 <wmat> koen: how long should a BBB take to boot with the latest image? Mine has been blinking at me for 15 minutes or so now.
Apr 03 15:29:19 <Stefan______> wmat: it takes mine less than 45 secs
Apr 03 15:29:32 <wmat> hmmm
Apr 03 15:29:46 * wmat probably screwed up the sdcard
Apr 03 15:30:04 <koen> wmat: 20 seconds or so
Apr 03 15:30:22 <Stefan______> wmat: mine just took 17 or so seconds
Apr 03 15:30:45 <wmat> perhaps I'll wipe the sdcard and start over
Apr 03 15:30:52 <Stefan______> wmat: sounds like a plan :)
Apr 03 15:31:03 <Stefan______> why don't you connect to the console and see what's going on?
Apr 03 15:31:10 <Stefan______> or there is no console?
Apr 03 15:31:28 <wmat> Stefan______: yes, perhaps I'll try that first
Apr 03 15:32:02 <av500> the console is a lie
Apr 03 15:32:18 <Stefan______> av500: good choice in games ;)
Apr 03 15:34:27 <wmat> ugh, Failed to get D-Bus connection
Apr 03 15:34:54 <wmat> i'm sure i did something wrong along the way
Apr 03 15:39:05 <proesel> NetBeans looks good to me and it is almost running. I just get one error which I do not get along.
Apr 03 15:43:19 <proesel> bin/sh:2 cd: cant' cd to /Welcome       BUILD FAILED (exit value -1, total time: 265ms)
Apr 03 15:44:53 <proesel> I set full rights at the board
Apr 03 15:46:04 <av500>  /Welcome?
Apr 03 15:47:50 <proesel> Welcome back. So you will be kicked after a time. I thought its quite now
Apr 03 15:48:46 <mdp> wb kkeller
Apr 03 15:49:10 <av500> proesel: kicked by who?
Apr 03 15:49:15 <kkeller> thanks mdp - good afternoon (almost) to you
Apr 03 15:49:25 <proesel> by time out i guess
Apr 03 15:50:06 <av500> must be your side
Apr 03 15:50:16 <keesj> jkridner sure
Apr 03 15:50:31 <proesel> possible
Apr 03 15:50:35 <KotH> av500: i like the radio program with the galakija program :)
Apr 03 15:50:49 <mdp> keller, thank you..and good morning
Apr 03 15:51:25 <KotH> what is with all those poples asking for netbeans?
Apr 03 15:51:34 <KotH> peoples*
Apr 03 15:51:46 <thurbad> maybe java/android?
Apr 03 15:51:57 <keesj> beans, bones
Apr 03 15:52:06 <mdp> netblackbeans
Apr 03 15:52:48 <av500> mrbeans
Apr 03 15:53:41 <av500> KotH: radio?
Apr 03 15:53:57 <proesel> I just did the NetBeans tutorial, but finaly there is a problem. But I guess its more a conection fail then a NetBeans problem
Apr 03 15:54:07 <KotH> av500: Among standard ways of distributing software, Galaksija programs used to be broadcast over FM Radio "Beograd 202" in a show Ventilator 202, hosted by Zoran Modli. At 280 bit/s, a mere 2 KB program would take a whole minute of characteristic noise that only computer enthusiasts enjoyed.
Apr 03 15:54:27 <jkridner> Wulfman: Have you seen that http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian has a list of board options including "BeagleBone Ax - bone"
Apr 03 15:54:48 <koen> jkridner: any updates on cppi/uboot leds/icons/background?
Apr 03 15:56:03 <av500> KotH: ah yes
Apr 03 15:56:13 <KotH> av500: did you listen to those programs? :)
Apr 03 15:56:21 <av500> no reception in Frankfurt
Apr 03 16:02:48 <Stefan______> Stupid question but which device do I use in the TI PinMux tool for the bone?
Apr 03 16:03:21 <Stefan______> rev1.0 or rev2.0?
Apr 03 16:03:31 <Stefan______> I mean 1.x or 2.x
Apr 03 16:04:49 <av500> I guess 2.x
Apr 03 16:04:59 <av500> TI 1.x silicon is rarely any good
Apr 03 16:05:00 <jkridner> koen: nope
Apr 03 16:05:31 <Stefan______> av500: :)
Apr 03 16:05:39 <Stefan______> av500: Do the voltages make any difference?
Apr 03 16:06:39 <av500> ?
Apr 03 16:07:27 <Stefan______> av500: well after you select your package type, it asks you to give some IO  Power Connection voltages
Apr 03 16:18:46 <mdp> av500, bah, 1.0 ought to be enough for anybody.
Apr 03 16:21:06 <Stefan______> Hmmm
Apr 03 16:21:54 <Stefan______> So the pinmux tool allows me to see a dynamic version of the table that's in the beagle bone documentation with regard to the output pins?
Apr 03 16:21:54 <jkridner> Stefan______: existing bone uses 1.0
Apr 03 16:21:56 <Stefan______> Is that it?
Apr 03 16:22:00 <jkridner> next-gen bone uses 2.0
Apr 03 16:22:05 <jkridner> initially anyway
Apr 03 16:22:07 <Stefan______> jkridner: Thanks!
Apr 03 16:22:27 * jkridner hasn't found a need for the pinmux tool
Apr 03 16:35:01 <Stefan______> jkridner: I am tempted to agree
Apr 03 16:40:28 <ka6sox> DT is a PITA....that is all...
Apr 03 16:40:57 <proesel> can someone help me and has advice for me, If IBulid in Netbeans I get   / bin / sh: 2 cd: can not cd to / Welcome.
Apr 03 16:54:45 <mdp> ka6sox, quit fighting it...a tender embrace and it will be your friend
Apr 03 16:58:10 <thurbad> proesel: you'll need to give more info than that probably
Apr 03 16:59:07 <proesel> I did the NetBeans tutorial http://mechomaniac.com/BeagleboardDevelopmentWithNetbeans
Apr 03 17:01:11 <proesel> connected the board with my windows pc. I tried a Hello World code. At the folder on the board I got a new folder with the name of the program and a lot of files welcome.h welcome.cc
Apr 03 17:03:15 <proesel> but if I try to build the code the files are transferd to the board but I get the "/bin/sh :2 : cd can't cd to /Welcome" Error
Apr 03 17:04:23 * ogra_ has no clue about Macs
Apr 03 17:05:04 <proesel> I thought it could be a rights problem, so i set the folder to 777 but same error
Apr 03 17:05:09 <ogra_> but it smells like it creates a broken directory expecting the filesystem to handle spaces in pathnames without quiting them
Apr 03 17:05:15 <ogra_> *quoting
Apr 03 17:06:23 <thurbad> did you set up samba sharing on the beagle?
Apr 03 17:06:35 <proesel> yes
Apr 03 17:07:26 <thurbad> what directory did yo u configure to share, and did you mount it already?
Apr 03 17:09:23 <proesel> my directory is /mnt/projects     .Netbeans allready creats some folders in /mn/projects
Apr 03 17:09:46 <ka6sox> mdp, like embracing a ticking time bomb?
Apr 03 17:10:47 <thurbad> no, you have to share a folder on the beagle a... root is easiest, but not secure
Apr 03 17:11:59 <thurbad> that requires some manual samba setup on the board, unless you have a GUI to do it
Apr 03 17:13:44 <thurbad> I use netbeans occasionally for remote debugging only every time the ip changes you have to set up a new host/project/ a bit annoying
Apr 03 17:14:16 <proesel> I use a fix ip
Apr 03 17:14:28 <thurbad> on the beagle?
Apr 03 17:14:33 <proesel> yes
Apr 03 17:14:45 <thurbad> ok, that makes it a bit easier
Apr 03 17:15:42 <proesel> and to share the folder I changed someting at .  give me a second I will have a look
Apr 03 17:16:57 <proesel> I add at the /etc/samba/smb.comf  the share setings
Apr 03 17:18:17 <thurbad> ok and you've mounted a network drive in windows?
Apr 03 17:19:10 <proesel> yes, but netbeans prefers the path, like \\ARM/share/
Apr 03 17:20:23 <thurbad> I haven't tried it with netbeans on windows.. I use macOS
Apr 03 17:20:40 <mranostay> vim!
Apr 03 17:20:46 <mranostay> \o/
Apr 03 17:20:54 <mranostay> ||
Apr 03 17:20:56 <proesel> on my "Remote Path" I only have an "/" I hope thats ok. Its like shown at the tutoral.
Apr 03 17:21:05 <mranostay> -/\
Apr 03 17:21:39 <thurbad> but I assume netbeans wants something like z:\\  on the local side
Apr 03 17:21:39 <Russ> *sigh*, right in the middle of his dance move
Apr 03 17:21:52 <mranostay> yes thoughtless proesel
Apr 03 17:22:59 <thurbad> where z is the drive you mapped the samba share to... / is ok, if you've shared root in samba
Apr 03 17:23:58 <proesel> ok I will check these
Apr 03 17:24:09 <thurbad> can you navigate through the mounted drive to the /bin/ directory and the directory where your code resides?
Apr 03 17:25:43 <proesel> yes I can see the code on the board and also from the windows side via the network
Apr 03 17:28:09 <ogra_> proesel, and this Welcome directory lives where exactly ? (and what was the full name again ?)
Apr 03 17:30:31 <proesel> :ogra_ the directory is on root@arm:/mnt/projects#   The Name of the folder is Welcome_2
Apr 03 17:30:54 <ogra_> why 2 ?
Apr 03 17:31:03 <proesel> second try
Apr 03 17:31:10 <ogra_> you seem to fail on a plain "Welcome"
Apr 03 17:31:33 <ogra_> ah
Apr 03 17:31:34 <proesel> no i tried Welcome tow times
Apr 03 17:33:09 <thurbad> you also have ssh configured on the board?
Apr 03 17:33:47 <proesel> thurbad: if I change the "Local Path" from \\ARM\share" to "Z.\" I got some errors "The follwing required paths are not resoved by those mappins:  \\ARM\share\Argumentest ........"
Apr 03 17:35:41 <proesel> I'm not sure about the ssh
Apr 03 17:36:13 <thurbad> if you can ssh in it's good
Apr 03 17:36:37 <thurbad> otherwise you won't be able to run commands remotely
Apr 03 17:37:32 <wmat> hmmm, where'd uImage-3.8.5 go? :/
Apr 03 17:38:28 <mranostay> wmat: i hid it
Apr 03 17:38:41 <wmat> damn you!
Apr 03 17:38:52 * wmat looks under chair
Apr 03 17:38:59 <proesel> how can i check if I can "ssh in it" ?
Apr 03 17:39:50 <mranostay> are we talking Samba shares in here?..
Apr 03 17:40:18 <thurbad> yeah... a little
Apr 03 17:42:14 <thurbad> I suppose you can download putty if you don't have any ssh client installed already
Apr 03 17:42:18 <ogra_> mranostay, ssh driven sambashares for netbeans  :)
Apr 03 17:42:37 <ogra_> buzzword bingo :)
Apr 03 17:42:39 <mranostay> oh christ
Apr 03 17:42:42 <thurbad> lol
Apr 03 17:42:56 <thurbad> \o/
Apr 03 17:49:20 <woglinde> re
Apr 03 17:52:01 <proesel> sorry got a disconnect
Apr 03 17:54:09 <thurbad> proesel: thurbad: I suppose you can download putty if you don't have any ssh client installed already
Apr 03 17:54:50 <proesel> thurbad: putty works, so I can connect to the board
Apr 03 17:55:00 <proesel> via putty
Apr 03 17:55:21 <woglinde> or serial console via putty
Apr 03 17:55:22 <woglinde> haha
Apr 03 17:56:17 <proesel> So if I change the "Project Location" for a new Project to "Z:\" I got the masseage "Project Location is not valid path"
Apr 03 17:56:35 <woglinde> project location?
Apr 03 17:56:42 <woglinde> css?
Apr 03 17:56:47 <thurbad> is z the network drive that you mounted?
Apr 03 17:57:09 <proesel> yes Z:\ is the network drive
Apr 03 17:58:18 <thurbad> well.. if all else fails there is the console ~.~
Apr 03 17:59:02 <thurbad> gdb will let you debug from the command line
Apr 03 18:00:34 <proesel> I'm a little bit scared about the console. I connect it to "expert" not to newbie
Apr 03 18:02:15 <thurbad> experts start somewhere :)
Apr 03 18:04:58 <proesel> That makes courage. I'll try again tomorrow. If it does not work, I'll probably start with the console.
Apr 03 18:12:00 <proesel> Thanks a lot for the moment. Beautiful evening
Apr 03 18:26:54 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/924pnQ
Apr 03 18:26:54 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 b6f61c4 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add support for more DVI capes, fix thumb2 build...
Apr 03 18:30:03 <mranostay> Crofton|work: how did that LED work out?
Apr 03 18:34:44 <KotH> console? expert? what has the world come to....
Apr 03 18:36:25 <KotH> and people being afraid of computers... as if they would rise, take control over all weapons systems and kill all humans...
Apr 03 18:56:58 <Crofton|work> mranostay, I haven't had time to play with it :(
Apr 03 18:57:07 <mranostay> bummer
Apr 03 18:57:59 <mranostay> anyone know a fast buffer IC (200 mhz) that can work on 3.3v and 5v logic?
Apr 03 18:58:15 <mranostay> supply voltage of 3.3
Apr 03 19:02:19 <mrpackethead> mranostay: are you familar with RFC6921.
Apr 03 19:02:30 <mrpackethead> it might help you with your buffering problem
Apr 03 19:03:00 <mrpackethead> I'm assuming your sticking your buffer on the PRU
Apr 03 19:03:06 <mranostay> yes
Apr 03 19:04:34 <mranostay> faster than light comm RFC?
Apr 03 19:05:52 <mrpackethead> can you power the buffer from 5V rather than 3.3V
Apr 03 19:05:56 <mrpackethead> that will help no need
Apr 03 19:06:20 <mranostay> PRU inputs are only 3.3v
Apr 03 19:06:54 <mrpackethead> yeah. but can you power the buffer from 5V
Apr 03 19:07:15 <mranostay> then voltage divided the output?
Apr 03 19:07:25 <mranostay> *divide
Apr 03 19:07:45 <KotH> mranostay: what kind of singals do you want to buffer?
Apr 03 19:07:58 <mranostay> all kinds
Apr 03 19:08:01 <KotH> mranostay: logic? some protocol?
Apr 03 19:08:04 <mranostay> logic
Apr 03 19:08:06 <ka6sox> input or output?
Apr 03 19:08:11 <mranostay> input
Apr 03 19:08:12 <KotH> any raise time constraints?
Apr 03 19:08:18 <mrpackethead> cheese-faster-then-light protocol
Apr 03 19:08:25 <KotH> synchronous, async?
Apr 03 19:08:38 <mranostay> logic analyzer is the application
Apr 03 19:08:41 <KotH> and what's wrong with using some 74lv* ?
Apr 03 19:09:09 <KotH> who does the sampling? fpga or the buffer?
Apr 03 19:09:54 <mranostay> PRU
Apr 03 19:10:06 <KotH> hmm.. i wouldnt do that
Apr 03 19:10:27 <KotH> i would use some external latch for the sampling
Apr 03 19:12:05 <mranostay> KotH: example?
Apr 03 19:12:29 <mrpackethead> mranostay: HC logic, typicaly i about 10-12nS
Apr 03 19:13:30 <KotH> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=MC74VHC373
Apr 03 19:13:39 <KotH> nearly fits the bill
Apr 03 19:15:08 <mrpackethead> wo, give or take 100Mhz, so not fast enough
Apr 03 19:15:42 <mranostay> doesn't  it need to be under 5ns rise/fall time? :)
Apr 03 19:15:48 <mrpackethead> yup
Apr 03 19:15:53 <mrpackethead> AHC
Apr 03 19:15:59 <mrpackethead> is faster
Apr 03 19:16:12 <mrpackethead> ALVC is faster again
Apr 03 19:16:27 <mrpackethead> i think its about 2ns if i my brain is connecing properly
Apr 03 19:18:16 <KotH> mranostay: http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/74/74LVTH16646.html (goes up to 150MHz)
Apr 03 19:22:26 <mranostay> getting closer
Apr 03 19:22:30 <KotH> hmm.. looks like all the common logic familiy registers and latches go only up to 100-150MHz
Apr 03 19:22:41 <KotH> and i doubt you want to go PECL
Apr 03 19:23:16 <KotH> mranostay: http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=MC74VHC244
Apr 03 19:23:21 <mranostay> wow those are pricey
Apr 03 19:23:21 <KotH> mranostay: that buffer would do
Apr 03 19:23:35 <KotH> you wouldnt care about pricey
Apr 03 19:23:43 <KotH> PECL is a beast to get working correctly
Apr 03 19:23:49 <mranostay> why is that?
Apr 03 19:23:51 <mranostay> noise?
Apr 03 19:23:51 <KotH> they are litterally too fast for their own good :)
Apr 03 19:23:56 <mranostay> nice..
Apr 03 19:24:15 <KotH> *ECL goes usually up to 1GHz
Apr 03 19:24:59 <KotH> but that comes with the price of very high V/us -> high EMI emitance
Apr 03 19:25:25 <KotH> which requires a design for GHz electronics.. always
Apr 03 19:25:43 <mranostay> KotH: how would that buffer do?
Apr 03 19:26:39 <KotH> the skew is less than 1ns, so it should be fine
Apr 03 19:27:07 <KotH> havent seen any data on the rise/fall times (still looking for the family datasheet)
Apr 03 19:27:20 <prpplague> jkridner: ping
Apr 03 19:27:25 <jkridner> pong
Apr 03 19:27:28 <mranostay> cool
Apr 03 19:27:38 <jkridner> bacon! :-)
Apr 03 19:27:47 <mranostay> KotH: at 5v supply i assume
Apr 03 19:28:19 <mranostay> jkridner: order in?
Apr 03 19:28:20 <KotH> er.. right
Apr 03 19:28:25 <KotH> mranostay: 1.5ns at 3.3
Apr 03 19:28:30 <KotH> mranostay: you do want to run it at 3.3
Apr 03 19:28:43 <mranostay> yeah
Apr 03 19:28:47 <KotH> mranostay: the thing has 5v tolerant inputs and is esd protected
Apr 03 19:29:00 <KotH> mranostay: two _very_ important things for a logic analyzer
Apr 03 19:29:10 * mranostay marks KotH for a free sample
Apr 03 19:35:45 <KotH> mranostay: found one!
Apr 03 19:35:47 <KotH> mranostay: http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/74ALVT16374.pdf
Apr 03 19:35:54 <KotH> mranostay: 250MHz 16bit register
Apr 03 19:36:33 * ka6sox uses XC9536XL for "buffer"
Apr 03 19:36:37 <ka6sox> goes 323mhz
Apr 03 19:36:41 <KotH> mranostay: and digikey has them on stock
Apr 03 19:37:13 <panto> nice
Apr 03 19:37:13 <KotH> ka6sox: that would be another possibility.. but then you can do some fancy "buffering" and getting the speed beyond 200MHz :)
Apr 03 19:37:40 <ka6sox> KotH, ya, thats what I use them for in this case...
Apr 03 19:38:07 <KotH> ka6sox: i somehow think, mranostay wants to use the PRU...
Apr 03 19:38:23 <KotH> ka6sox: otherwise, i'd recomend one of the smaller virtex-6 :-)
Apr 03 19:38:36 <ka6sox> V6 isn't 5v tolerant (last I checked)
Apr 03 19:38:40 <ka6sox> the XL's are.
Apr 03 19:39:10 <KotH> add some vhc buffers in front :)
Apr 03 19:39:22 <ka6sox> --complication
Apr 03 19:39:28 <ka6sox> the CPLD is very KISS>
Apr 03 19:39:31 <KotH> although they have some t_pd, they have nice rise/fall times
Apr 03 19:39:34 <ka6sox> the V6 is complicated
Apr 03 19:39:35 <KotH> true that
Apr 03 19:40:02 <ka6sox> CPLD is 44pin VQFP that can be hand soldered.
Apr 03 19:40:27 <KotH> the small v6 come also in qfp
Apr 03 19:40:34 <KotH> (they seem to have learned something)
Apr 03 19:40:36 <ka6sox> but with .5mm pitch
Apr 03 19:40:42 <ka6sox> this is 1.0 pitch
Apr 03 19:40:51 <KotH> 0_o
Apr 03 19:40:59 <KotH> thats... like... BIG!
Apr 03 19:41:15 <ka6sox> its "human sized"
Apr 03 19:41:18 <Shadyman> KotH: That's what she said.
Apr 03 19:41:23 <ka6sox> iirc its still a 10mm package
Apr 03 19:41:32 <ka6sox> (can't be...must be 13mm
Apr 03 19:41:33 <ka6sox> )
Apr 03 19:41:59 <Shadyman> snap
Apr 03 19:42:35 <ka6sox> Shadyman, Mind >> Gutter
Apr 03 19:42:50 <KotH> snape?
Apr 03 19:42:59 <Shadyman> ka6sox: Truth.
Apr 03 19:46:27 <KotH> whoa nelly!
Apr 03 19:47:01 <KotH> mranostay: the ALVC family has rise times of <2ns into a load of 50pF, <6ns into 300pF
Apr 03 19:47:46 <KotH> mranostay: if you use them, you want to make sure you have your signal and ground paths right and good, high freq capable power supplies
Apr 03 19:49:02 <KotH> mranostay: ie, keep lines short, straight and probably terminate them
Apr 03 19:55:20 <mranostay> the power supply could be an issue
Apr 03 19:56:08 <KotH> the supply itself is not a prob
Apr 03 19:56:36 <KotH> the bone supply is already designed for a high frequency device (the cpu runs faster)
Apr 03 19:56:51 <KotH> but you have to use care to keep the ground around the latch from bouncing
Apr 03 19:57:04 <KotH> ie, use plenty of high freq caps
Apr 03 19:57:13 <mranostay> on the VCC?
Apr 03 19:57:23 <mranostay> to the ALVC
Apr 03 19:57:32 <KotH> broad planes and keep the gnd plane close to the chip and its signals
Apr 03 19:57:39 <KotH> yes, the vcc to the alvc
Apr 03 19:57:48 <mrpackethead> what you buidlign that goes that fast mranostay?
Apr 03 19:58:10 <mranostay> logic analyzer + jtag cape
Apr 03 19:58:16 <mrpackethead> ahh
Apr 03 19:58:26 <mrpackethead> just for fun?
Apr 03 19:58:49 <mranostay> no
Apr 03 19:59:09 <KotH> mrpackethead: it's the one LA-cape to rule them all!
Apr 03 19:59:16 <mranostay> yeah something like that
Apr 03 19:59:40 <mranostay> channel number could be an issue with the pinmux available on the header
Apr 03 20:00:04 <mrpackethead> im going to buy a CNC mill today
Apr 03 20:00:23 <mranostay> nice
Apr 03 20:00:41 <cmicali> mranostay: using the PRU to sample?
Apr 03 20:00:51 <mranostay> yes
Apr 03 20:00:56 <ka6sox> hmmm
Apr 03 20:01:05 <mrpackethead> wonder if a beagle will be able to run it
Apr 03 20:01:07 <mrpackethead> shoudl do
Apr 03 20:01:16 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, yep..should
Apr 03 20:01:28 <mrpackethead> would be quite cool if it can
Apr 03 20:01:36 <ka6sox> mranostay, so you would get about 50mhz if you sample 4X over...
Apr 03 20:01:37 <mrpackethead> i've just put a beagle on my manual pick / place
Apr 03 20:01:44 <mrpackethead> and am running Russ's place script
Apr 03 20:01:55 <mrpackethead> its a big bonus
Apr 03 20:02:03 <ka6sox> nice
Apr 03 20:02:19 <mranostay> ka6sox: well yes but that isn't any fun
Apr 03 20:02:20 <mrpackethead> just some graphics, with placement informati9n
Apr 03 20:02:27 <mrpackethead> really helps speed thigns up and make less mistake
Apr 03 20:02:31 <mranostay> needs to do 100mhz at least
Apr 03 20:02:35 <mranostay> but 200 mhz would rock
Apr 03 20:02:53 <mrpackethead> my logic-16 does 3 x 100Mhz signals.
Apr 03 20:02:56 <mrpackethead> thats pretty handy
Apr 03 20:02:59 <KotH> mranostay: can you generate the signals at 200MHz?
Apr 03 20:03:11 <ka6sox> then you want a CPLD to buffer/convert to Parallel and the PRU to grab the data parallel.
Apr 03 20:04:03 <ka6sox> like via GPMC
Apr 03 20:04:13 <cmicali> mranostay: interesting - you going to use an a/d on the cape to measure?  have you designed that part yet?
Apr 03 20:04:15 <mranostay> ka6sox: i like how you think
Apr 03 20:04:17 <KotH> mranostay: ie toggle and sample every 2.5ns
Apr 03 20:04:21 <koen> make nyquist work for you, have aliassing decode FM radio :)
Apr 03 20:04:31 <KotH> lol
Apr 03 20:04:35 <ka6sox> koen, can be done!
Apr 03 20:04:42 <koen> ka6sox: I know
Apr 03 20:04:44 <mranostay> ka6sox: GPMC thought?
Apr 03 20:04:45 <KotH> ka6sox: btw: remember my pulse problem?
Apr 03 20:04:55 <koen> ka6sox: it was a trick question in on of my exams at uni
Apr 03 20:04:57 <mranostay> with the PRU?
Apr 03 20:05:11 <ka6sox> mranostay, should be doable
Apr 03 20:05:14 <ka6sox> its on L4
Apr 03 20:05:25 <ka6sox> KotH, yes
Apr 03 20:05:30 <KotH> ka6sox: i found a way around it: modulate an avalanche photodiode with an 1GHz signal and let the diode down-mix the signal to something below 500MHz
Apr 03 20:05:31 <ka6sox> koen, fun!
Apr 03 20:05:48 <mranostay> ka6sox: what CPLD you have in mind?
Apr 03 20:05:51 <ka6sox> KotH, kewl...where did you find a driver
Apr 03 20:06:10 <ka6sox> mranostay, XC9536XL-TQ44
Apr 03 20:06:12 <KotH> ka6sox: havent found one.. just descriptions of these other doing things like that
Apr 03 20:06:28 <mranostay> ka6sox: channel number would be limited then
Apr 03 20:06:32 <KotH> ka6sox: but i think that most of the stuff should be pretty straight forward electronics to build
Apr 03 20:06:41 <KotH> ka6sox: nothing being >2GHz and stuff
Apr 03 20:06:56 <ka6sox> mranostay, how many channels do you want?
Apr 03 20:07:02 <ka6sox> mranostay, http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/XC9536XL-10VQG44C/122-1385-ND/826988
Apr 03 20:07:17 <mranostay> 8 would be nie
Apr 03 20:07:18 <mranostay> *nice
Apr 03 20:07:19 <ka6sox> $1.16 is Dirt Cheap
Apr 03 20:07:39 <ka6sox> the GPMC can move about 50mhz on a good day
Apr 03 20:08:00 * KotH would rather say _DIRT_CHEAP_
Apr 03 20:08:09 <KotH> heck.. most logic chips cost more than that!
Apr 03 20:08:12 <ka6sox> so in 16bit round robin mode you could probably get about 100mhz with 8 channels.
Apr 03 20:09:11 <KotH> doesnt the bone have some high speed communication interfaces?
Apr 03 20:09:17 <KotH> like some dvi input or something?
Apr 03 20:09:38 <ka6sox> mranostay, on beaglebone-next you would have to kill -9 the eMMC
Apr 03 20:09:50 <ka6sox> hold it in reset
Apr 03 20:10:09 <ka6sox> but you could make the CPLD push 16bit data and 8 channels of input
Apr 03 20:10:17 <ka6sox> from 1v8 to 5v0
Apr 03 20:10:50 <koen> KotH: GPMC or PRU GPI
Apr 03 20:11:05 <KotH> how fast can the mmc be clocked?
Apr 03 20:11:29 <ka6sox> the PRU GPI *could* be faster...dunno if it has 16pins or not
Apr 03 20:11:35 <koen> yes
Apr 03 20:11:41 <bradfa> KotH, mmc can do 52 mhz
Apr 03 20:11:42 <koen> we added the missing 2 on white a5
Apr 03 20:11:54 <KotH> meh.. too slow
Apr 03 20:11:55 <ka6sox> koen, does it have 17 for a strobe?
Apr 03 20:12:21 <koen> that I don't know
Apr 03 20:12:42 <bradfa> KotH, it's 8 bit, if that helps
Apr 03 20:12:59 <KotH> bradfa: hmm...
Apr 03 20:13:04 <bradfa> SD v3 can go over 100 mhz but only 4 bit
Apr 03 20:13:11 <KotH> bradfa: helps.. but the goal is 16bit 200MHz
Apr 03 20:13:15 <bradfa> am335x doesn't do sdv3, though
Apr 03 20:13:16 <ka6sox> to get 100mhz out of this you need 50mhz and 16bits sync.
Apr 03 20:13:33 <bradfa> ah, k
Apr 03 20:13:42 <bradfa> PCI-e
Apr 03 20:13:47 <KotH> *g*
Apr 03 20:13:51 <ka6sox> heh
Apr 03 20:14:13 <bradfa> or regular PCI, for some retro-ness
Apr 03 20:14:24 <koen> ISA!
Apr 03 20:14:27 <KotH> oh.. that remind me
Apr 03 20:14:29 <ka6sox> better than an ISA bus!
Apr 03 20:14:33 <KotH> i still have my OGD1
Apr 03 20:14:36 <KotH> never used
Apr 03 20:14:47 <ka6sox> I have my S100 we could try...
Apr 03 20:14:47 <KotH> should think about some project to make good use of it
Apr 03 20:37:42 <ka6sox> mranostay, I don't think you can get really more BW out of the databus...
Apr 03 20:37:53 <ka6sox> unless you can shove data directly to video.
Apr 03 20:38:09 <ka6sox> so if you 4X oversample it will do 50mhz
Apr 03 20:38:35 <ka6sox> (you can't shove data round fast enough...not enough BW)
Apr 03 20:39:43 <ka6sox> ie you can get 200MSps but not 200Mhz of BW input.
Apr 03 20:40:24 <wmat> prpplague: quit vandalizing the elinux.org mainpage ;)
Apr 03 20:41:14 <prpplague> wmat: hehe
Apr 03 20:41:19 <prpplague> wmat: hey question
Apr 03 20:41:30 <wmat> prpplague: notice my the new editor I added today
Apr 03 20:41:37 <prpplague> wmat: the search options dont seem to work unless you actually include the namespace
Apr 03 20:41:55 <prpplague> wmat: yea, i was like da da da oh what the @#$@#$@#
Apr 03 20:42:06 <wmat> heh
Apr 03 20:42:26 <wmat> prpplague: yes, if you do a search, you can click Advanced and select a namespace
Apr 03 20:42:47 <prpplague> wmat: yea problem is if you don't know that....
Apr 03 20:43:18 <prpplague> wmat: i added a redirect from MinnowBoard to MinnowBoard:MinnowBoard , so at least one page comes up with a search for minnow
Apr 03 20:43:23 <wmat> prpplague: let me see if there's a better search out there
Apr 03 20:43:57 <wmat> prpplague: wikipedia does it the same way
Apr 03 20:46:01 <mranostay> ka6sox: BW out of the CPLD?
Apr 03 20:46:33 <KotH> ka6sox, mranostay: how about using both PRU? that would double the BW
Apr 03 20:46:49 <mranostay> KotH: DDR?
Apr 03 20:46:53 <KotH> juup
Apr 03 20:47:09 <mranostay> need to check the PRU data lines exposed
Apr 03 20:47:14 <mranostay> via the pinmux
Apr 03 20:47:38 <mranostay> KotH: double the bandwidth to...?
Apr 03 20:47:44 <wmat> prpplague: i think replacing the search engine is something for another day
Apr 03 20:47:51 <KotH> mranostay: the double of one PRU :)
Apr 03 20:48:11 <KotH> mranostay: i hardly know anything about the bone, remember? :)
Apr 03 20:48:27 <mranostay> so 400mhz?
Apr 03 20:48:32 <mranostay> that seems like a pipe dream
Apr 03 20:48:52 <ka6sox> if the PRU can move data 100mhz with 16bits then sure.
Apr 03 20:49:10 <ka6sox> assuming the GPI <> L4 link is like 2 cycles :P
Apr 03 20:49:16 <prpplague> wmat: no worries, just something that came up today
Apr 03 20:49:56 <ka6sox> isn't PRU fixed @ 200mhz?
Apr 03 20:49:57 <KotH> mranostay: doing a 400MHz LA with a small fpga is no pipe dream
Apr 03 20:50:09 <KotH> mranostay: the problem is just getting the data out of it fast enough
Apr 03 20:50:17 <KotH> mranostay: i'm quite sure the bone can do that.. somehow..
Apr 03 20:50:34 <ka6sox> KotH, 1.6Gsps with a Bone?
Apr 03 20:50:37 <KotH> mranostay: maybe you've to be a bit creative with the use of interfaces :)
Apr 03 20:51:06 <ka6sox> KotH, we haven't even talked about *displaying* the data yet :P
Apr 03 20:51:11 <mranostay> heh
Apr 03 20:51:25 <KotH> ka6sox: who cares about display? you just need to collect them! ;)
Apr 03 20:51:32 <mranostay> what is the max bw on the GPMC?
Apr 03 20:51:46 <ka6sox> iirc its 16bits @ 62.5Mhz
Apr 03 20:51:50 <panto> pfft, who said pumping the data out as they are?
Apr 03 20:52:04 <panto> it's logic signals, run length encoding can go a _long_ way
Apr 03 20:52:15 <KotH> panto: that too
Apr 03 20:52:27 <KotH> panto: but you want to be able to get complex signals out as well
Apr 03 20:52:28 <panto> that's where FPGA fall over
Apr 03 20:52:32 <mranostay> panto: that is what the OLS does
Apr 03 20:52:44 <KotH> panto: you can do rl coding with an fpga
Apr 03 20:52:50 <ka6sox> I've done some RLL stuff with FPGA..its NOT trivial.
Apr 03 20:52:51 <KotH> panto: pretty easy too
Apr 03 20:53:09 <ka6sox> KotH, pretty easy? okay...:)
Apr 03 20:53:14 <panto> not really, I don't subscribe to the idea that FPGAs are ideal
Apr 03 20:53:28 <panto> they are pigs to code and maintain
Apr 03 20:53:34 <KotH> ka6sox: after i've seen a 1.5GByte/s zip compressor implemented in an 100MHz asic... rl is simple :)
Apr 03 20:53:36 <ka6sox> panto, no, they are a serious PITAs...
Apr 03 20:54:08 <ka6sox> but they *will* get you out of trouble when things turn pear shaped.
Apr 03 20:54:11 <panto> KotH, how much was that asic development costs?
Apr 03 20:54:25 <ka6sox> panto, +1
Apr 03 20:54:36 <KotH> panto: no idea... that was a team of 20 people who spun out a new generation every 2-3 years
Apr 03 20:54:39 <panto> my preposition is that for most tasks an FPGA/ASIC are unsuited
Apr 03 20:54:50 <panto> fast general purpose logic wins
Apr 03 20:54:54 <KotH> panto: and the zip compressor was only a minor functionality of the system
Apr 03 20:55:26 <panto> 1.5GHz general purpose logic at $3 a pop can go a long way
Apr 03 20:55:39 <ka6sox> 20 people for 2-3yrs...so 40-60MY
Apr 03 20:55:42 <KotH> uhhm..
Apr 03 20:55:44 <panto> the s/w might not be general purpose, true, but...
Apr 03 20:55:44 <ka6sox> scary...
Apr 03 20:55:50 <KotH> panto: that was 2004, when i saw it...
Apr 03 20:56:15 <KotH> panto: getting 1.5GHz general purpose logic is hard today.. it was nearly impossible back then
Apr 03 20:56:38 <ka6sox> panto, you think we want to have a good troll with poor mranostay about laying out 1.5Ghz logic?
Apr 03 20:57:14 <panto> heheh
Apr 03 20:57:31 <KotH> panto: btw: where do you get that fast logic for $3 a pop from?
Apr 03 20:57:46 <panto> it will come before long
Apr 03 20:57:53 <KotH> panto: any ecl chip i've seen cost at least 10usd
Apr 03 20:57:55 <mranostay> ka6sox: i hate you guys  :)
Apr 03 20:58:11 <KotH> panto: lol
Apr 03 20:58:23 <panto> troll troll troll...
Apr 03 20:58:27 <panto> ok, back to work :)
Apr 03 20:58:27 <KotH> mranostay: come on!
Apr 03 20:58:48 <KotH> mranostay: you'll learn some electronics on the way, and get healed from this illnes called software!
Apr 03 20:58:54 <mranostay> heh
Apr 03 20:59:09 <ka6sox> mranostay, I'm trying to say its NOT as trivial as you are being led to believe.
Apr 03 20:59:30 <mranostay> yeah for sure not at those speeds..
Apr 03 20:59:35 <prpplague> mranostay: someone over in #rpi was asking on how to attach 8 relays to the RPI, i started to link him to a homedepot page for super adhesive
Apr 03 20:59:45 <KotH> ka6sox: the company behind that chip has 3 letters in his name consiting of blue stripes... so 40-60MY isnt that much ;)
Apr 03 21:00:25 <ka6sox> KotH, so its not something a LONE 'Bone developer is going to to in his "spare time"
Apr 03 21:00:59 <KotH> ka6sox: why not? it's 10 years later. technology has made great progress. things have become a lot simpler
Apr 03 21:01:36 <ka6sox> unless the PRU GPI > L4 pipelining is faster than GPMC its going to be limited to about 133MB/sec.
Apr 03 21:02:26 <KotH> use different procesor with sata port
Apr 03 21:02:44 <ka6sox> KotH, the issue isn't what the front end can do...its what the Busses on the BONE can do.
Apr 03 21:02:58 <KotH> ka6sox: yeah, got that :)
Apr 03 21:03:17 <KotH> ka6sox: that's why i suggest a differnt processor
Apr 03 21:04:06 <KotH> anyways.. gotta get some sleep
Apr 03 21:04:08 <KotH> night boys
Apr 03 21:04:11 <KotH> sleep well
Apr 03 21:04:19 <KotH> and dream of some high speed busses
Apr 03 21:05:04 <ka6sox> nighters
Apr 03 21:05:33 <ka6sox> mranostay, using the PRU to be a HS JTAG bus driver..that would be AWESOME....
Apr 03 21:05:45 <panto> yeah, that's the idea
Apr 03 21:05:59 <mranostay> well that is totally doable
Apr 03 21:06:09 <panto> I do know for a fact the the original BDI1000 had a crummy 25MHz 68HC360
Apr 03 21:06:10 <ka6sox> right, and its *needed*
Apr 03 21:06:20 <panto> and it was the fastest thing out there
Apr 03 21:06:33 <ka6sox> panto, my BDI2000 doesn't seem much faster!
Apr 03 21:06:45 <panto> they might use a ppc 860 at 100Mhz now :)
Apr 03 21:07:01 <ka6sox> thats as fast as my target!
Apr 03 21:07:07 <ka6sox> (same proc)
Apr 03 21:07:19 <panto> my point is that there's no doubt that getting a JTAG with an am335x+PRU is going to be wicked fast
Apr 03 21:07:35 <ka6sox> and really CHEAP.
Apr 03 21:07:35 <panto> even make some of the high end emulator systems look bad
Apr 03 21:07:47 <panto> lauterbach anyone?
Apr 03 21:08:01 <ka6sox> mranostay, I could get behind that...make openOCD be wicked fast.
Apr 03 21:09:09 <ka6sox> making the Bone be a fast debugger for cheap would be somewhat of a holy grail...most SoC's of that class don't have the RT grunt needed.
Apr 03 21:09:12 <panto> if I had to think about designing something like this I might pipeline the PRUs
Apr 03 21:09:32 <ka6sox> I'd use one for TX and one for RX
Apr 03 21:09:36 <panto> one PRU does the I/O the other massages/compress the data
Apr 03 21:09:42 <ka6sox> or that.
Apr 03 21:09:47 <panto> ka6sox, might be harder to synchronize
Apr 03 21:09:55 <ka6sox> true
Apr 03 21:10:10 <panto> if anyone remembers the intel IXP network processors, that's how they worked
Apr 03 21:10:12 <ka6sox> pipelining of the PRUs would divvy up the tasks.
Apr 03 21:10:24 <panto> ka6sox, yep
Apr 03 21:10:33 <ka6sox> I started in the 32bit world with IXP425 on the NSLU2
Apr 03 21:10:40 <panto> hehe
Apr 03 21:10:57 <panto> I have scars from that time too
Apr 03 21:11:07 <ka6sox> panto, don't we all.
Apr 03 21:11:15 <panto> another fine h/w arch that was hobbled by it's horrible s/w
Apr 03 21:18:23 <ka6sox> and closed source drivers for the ethernet :P
Apr 03 21:19:53 <woglinde> panto still awake
Apr 03 21:19:58 <woglinde> amazing
Apr 03 21:20:42 <panto> I run on midnight oil
Apr 03 21:20:47 <woglinde> good night
Apr 03 21:21:19 <panto> gnight woglinde
Apr 03 21:21:45 <panto> jkridner, btw, are you still on about that hackerspace presentation?
Apr 03 22:09:52 <mranostay> ka6sox: http://imgur.com/jR4Zq8a
Apr 03 22:11:28 <overburn> hey guys
Apr 03 22:12:06 <overburn> i've just bought a beagle today and i have a few things i can't really get a grip on , is anyone available to help me a bit?
Apr 03 22:12:44 <prpplague> overburn: ask away, if someone is available, knows the answer, and has the time to help, they will respond
Apr 03 22:14:23 <overburn> ah ok so - i've semi-managed to make him pee and poop on absorbant sheets - not sure wether it's random or he actually knows (he peed quite often as , new home , he got excited etc) but the thing is , i live on the first floor of a house and for the moment he's too little (just 8 weeks old)
Apr 03 22:14:41 <overburn> to be able to climb down the stairs and go outside
Apr 03 22:15:20 <overburn> so a question would be, should i get him used to relieving himself on these absobant sheets for the time being until he grows a little and is able to go down the stairs or should i approach this differently?
Apr 03 22:15:45 <mranostay> o_0
Apr 03 22:16:07 <overburn> basically go down the stairs in order to go outside
Apr 03 22:16:49 * mranostay doesn't know if people are feeding the trolls or serious these days
Apr 03 22:21:59 <panto> back tomorrow
Apr 03 22:22:28 * ogra_ cant belive he sees this for the first time in this channel ...
Apr 03 22:23:24 <mranostay> ogra_: not the first time
Apr 03 22:24:22 <ogra_> mranostay, well, the first time i see it in ... hmm. 3 or 4 years i'm here
Apr 03 22:25:08 <ogra_> oh, and trolls ... this is brilliant btw ... https://gist.github.com/quchen/5280339
Apr 03 22:29:37 <mranostay> this is jkridner in a year or two
Apr 03 22:29:38 <overburn> actually wasn
Apr 03 22:29:43 <overburn> t wasn't trolling
Apr 03 22:29:59 <mranostay> overburn: this isn't a dog channel :)
Apr 03 22:30:20 <ogra_> see beagleboard.org :)
Apr 03 22:30:44 <overburn> lol ok
Apr 03 22:30:57 <overburn> did not read the topic
Apr 03 22:31:15 <ogra_> good luck with the little one :)
Apr 03 22:31:57 <overburn> thanks heh, sorry for the dog talk
Apr 03 22:32:13 <mranostay> nobody reads the topic
Apr 03 22:32:15 <ogra_> nah, you made at least my day
Apr 03 22:32:38 <mranostay> ogra_: you are easy to please then
Apr 03 22:32:52 <ogra_> so they say :)
Apr 03 22:34:05 <overburn> by the way seeing as i'm here anyways, and i had no idea about the beagleboard before (without meaning to troll) i'm a bit torn between a beaglebone a cubieboard and a raspberry pi for a linux set top box, any tips?
Apr 03 22:34:28 <ogra_> LOL
Apr 03 22:35:28 <overburn> what, before it was just the cubieboard and the pi, but the beaglebone seems adequate, but i'm not sure wether it would be overkill
Apr 03 22:35:44 <jkridner> beagleboard is the original...
Apr 03 22:35:49 <jkridner> those are just imitators.
Apr 03 22:37:02 <overburn> hmm but it's on the beagleboard site
Apr 03 22:37:23 <ka6sox> mranostay, +1
Apr 03 22:37:30 <jkridner> Eben credits beagle for the R-Pi concept, but has difficulty getting the facts right: http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/raspberry-pi-interview-eban-upton-reveals-all
Apr 03 22:38:06 <jkridner> anyway, beaglebone is better for robots, rovers, 3d printers, media servers, etc. than for a set-top box.
Apr 03 22:38:30 <jkridner> beagleboard-xm is passable, but a bit dated in video performance.
Apr 03 22:38:49 <jkridner> still very good for DSP, vision, robotics.
Apr 03 22:39:04 <ka6sox> jkridner, +1
Apr 03 22:39:32 <overburn> hmm good to know
Apr 03 22:39:42 * jkridner wouldn't want an r-pi set top box for that matter --- too slow a cpu
Apr 03 22:39:53 <overburn> also no fpu i think
Apr 03 22:40:07 <prpplague> jkridner: yea but think of the children
Apr 03 22:41:12 <overburn> heh in any case, thanks for not giving me a rough time for getting the channel wrong heh
Apr 03 22:41:16 <overburn> no pet channels on freenode?
Apr 03 22:46:23 <ka6sox> overburn, dunno...
Apr 03 22:46:28 <ka6sox> ask in #defocus
Apr 03 22:47:26 <overburn> ah ok
Apr 03 22:47:27 <overburn> thanks mate
Apr 03 22:49:54 <ka6sox> no worries
Apr 03 22:52:59 <mranostay> jkridner: are you barred from r-pi ownership as part of TI hiring policy? :P
Apr 03 22:53:31 <jkridner> hehe... I have 4 of them.  Adafruit keeps giving them to me for free.
Apr 03 22:53:47 * jkridner knows why they've sold so many.
Apr 03 22:54:11 <mranostay> heh $300 purchases?
Apr 03 22:54:45 <ka6sox> jkridner, do tell...its it bitbanging?
Apr 03 22:55:07 <jkridner> ka6sox: what mranostay says
Apr 03 22:55:26 <jkridner> give-aways
Apr 03 22:55:26 <ka6sox> got it
Apr 03 22:55:32 <jkridner> drawer fodder
Apr 03 22:55:58 <ka6sox> coasters for my beer?
Apr 03 22:56:09 <wmat> ebay them ;)
Apr 03 22:56:31 <mranostay> send me one i need something to test the ESD gun on
Apr 03 22:59:11 <ka6sox> HiPot test device
Apr 03 23:02:53 <mranostay> davest: !
Apr 03 23:07:21 <mranostay> ka6sox: or point one of your space lasers on it
Apr 03 23:15:11 <ka6sox> mranostay, I can the existence of any space lasers
Apr 03 23:23:36 <mranostay> ka6sox: pop me some popcorn through the skylight
Apr 04 00:10:25 <ka6sox> mranostay, the popcorn might be a bit stale when I get there the 16th.
Apr 04 00:17:32 <mrpackethead> right.. all the bits ordered for the new CNC mill
Apr 04 00:17:38 <mrpackethead> like i needed another project
Apr 04 00:17:58 <mrpackethead> but it did'nt seem like i could affordably buy a mill that was already ready!
Apr 04 00:18:09 <mranostay> mrpackethead: what model?
Apr 04 00:18:27 <mrpackethead> I bought a Seig SX3
Apr 04 00:50:13 * mranostay wants to chainsaw all trees
Apr 04 00:56:38 * bradfa_ hopes mranostay takes fuzzy pictures of chainsawed trees
Apr 04 00:57:05 * mranostay points a fuzzy finger at bradfa_ 
Apr 04 00:57:21 * bradfa_ takes picture
Apr 04 00:57:32 <mranostay> with what you nokia crap-phone? :)
Apr 04 00:57:41 <mranostay> *your
Apr 04 00:57:50 <mranostay> oh sorry Crap-Phone (tm)
Apr 04 00:58:01 <bradfa_> mranostay, it's cheap and a few years old
Apr 04 00:58:06 <bradfa_> works well on gsm
Apr 04 00:58:12 <bradfa_> with my pay-as-I-go plan
Apr 04 00:58:41 <bradfa_> iPod gets wifi most places I need to use a network
Apr 04 00:59:09 <bradfa_> granted, I'd like a 'real phone', but it's just not in the cards right now
Apr 04 00:59:35 <mranostay> bradfa_: even McD workers have real phones :P
Apr 04 00:59:48 <bradfa_> mranostay, I noticed that on Monday when I bought a cheeseburger
Apr 04 01:00:06 <bradfa_> apparently McD pays well?
Apr 04 01:00:22 <bradfa_> maybe I should get a job there
Apr 04 01:00:25 <mranostay> yeah i was rolling in the dough at my min wage jobs
Apr 04 01:01:05 <mranostay> bradfa_: i'd go for bartender
Apr 04 01:01:06 <bradfa_> mranostay, was one of them 'layout consultant'?
Apr 04 01:01:22 <mranostay> bradfa_: you know i really do hate you guys :P
Apr 04 01:01:25 <bradfa_> bartending's probably a good gig
Apr 04 01:01:52 <bradfa_> fuzzy pictures go well with fuzzy sight
Apr 04 01:02:13 <bradfa_> mranostay, it's been a few days since I've seen gerber screen shots on g+, why you slacking?
Apr 04 01:02:24 <mranostay> cute
Apr 04 01:02:31 <bradfa_> :)
Apr 04 01:02:53 * bradfa_ wants a minnow...
Apr 04 01:02:59 <mranostay> bradfa_: i'd like to think i've improved a bit :)
Apr 04 01:03:01 <bradfa_> forget this arm bs
Apr 04 01:03:14 <mranostay> long live x86?
Apr 04 01:03:23 <bradfa_> mranostay, that you are willing to post gerber screen shots is impressive
Apr 04 01:03:29 <bradfa_> most would be ashamed
Apr 04 01:03:37 <bradfa_> x86 is dead, long live x86!
Apr 04 01:05:06 <mranostay> bradfa_: nice try with the ultra blurry filter
Apr 04 01:05:12 <mranostay> that will throw Russ off
Apr 04 01:05:36 * bradfa_ searches for frosted glass to take a picture of and claim it's a "board"
Apr 04 01:05:38 <ds2> tip of the day - stepper motors work better when you give them enough current
Apr 04 01:06:22 <bradfa_> ds2, need bigger FETs?
Apr 04 01:06:39 <mranostay> so what is a good analog switch IC?
Apr 04 01:06:57 <mranostay> 4 outputs
Apr 04 01:07:56 <Russ> decent lighting and focus, is it too much to ask?
Apr 04 01:08:02 <ds2> bradfa_: no, need to spec the right resistor for the current limit on the driver chip :D
Apr 04 01:11:08 <mranostay> ds2: pick a random resistor value
Apr 04 01:11:59 <bradfa_> ds2, I like the resistors with pretty colors on them
Apr 04 01:12:17 <bradfa_> gah! I'm on slow dsl :(
Apr 04 01:12:29 <ds2> what colors?
Apr 04 01:12:31 <ds2> :P
Apr 04 01:13:13 <bradfa_> red black black
Apr 04 01:13:17 <bradfa_> should work
Apr 04 01:13:19 <mranostay> black black black
Apr 04 01:13:30 <bradfa_> mranostay, those are the fast ones
Apr 04 01:13:59 * bradfa_ hates stack overflow
Apr 04 01:14:00 <mranostay> they get nice and warm too
Apr 04 01:14:23 <mranostay> bradfa_: they are letting you touch software again?
Apr 04 01:14:44 <ds2> find me 0603's with colors on them :P
Apr 04 01:15:02 <bradfa_> mranostay, no, I was attempting to make CCSv5 work and forgot to install ia32-libs
Apr 04 01:15:12 <bradfa_> stack overflow said I should create some manual symlinks
Apr 04 01:15:12 <mranostay> bradfa_: do you like torture?
Apr 04 01:15:22 <bradfa_> I decided not to follow that "correct answer"
Apr 04 01:15:32 <mranostay> steps not answer
Apr 04 01:15:34 <bradfa_> I love CCSv5
Apr 04 01:15:52 <mranostay> you mean that ironically right?
Apr 04 01:15:53 * bradfa_ wants to commit unspeakables every time he has to use eclipse
Apr 04 01:16:16 <bradfa_> I also love chipcon
Apr 04 01:16:33 <ds2> what chipcon chip are you playing with?
Apr 04 01:17:43 <bradfa_> cc430
Apr 04 01:18:08 <mranostay> bradfa_: why you not use openocd?
Apr 04 01:18:14 <bradfa_> love child of ti and chipcon, not sure if it was conceived before or after the buyout
Apr 04 01:18:20 <ds2> Mmmmmm cc430
Apr 04 01:18:20 <mranostay> or pop that crappy FTDI jtag off
Apr 04 01:18:22 <ds2> what board?
Apr 04 01:18:31 <bradfa_> ds2, custom board
Apr 04 01:18:37 <ds2> ooh nice
Apr 04 01:18:38 <ds2> which band?
Apr 04 01:18:41 <bradfa_> 433
Apr 04 01:19:05 <bradfa_> mranostay, cc430 handily isn't supported by much other than ccs and iar
Apr 04 01:19:11 <bradfa_> last I checked, at least
Apr 04 01:19:37 <bradfa_> I also hate the MSP430-FET jtag tool
Apr 04 01:19:57 <bradfa_> my breakout board makes it less horrible but it hogs my usb bus
Apr 04 01:20:04 <bradfa_> stupid serial to usb converters
Apr 04 01:20:30 * bradfa_ should really get back to making ccs do my bidding
Apr 04 01:23:44 <ds2> doesn't the cc430 do spibiwire?
Apr 04 01:25:50 <bradfa_> ds2, not sure, our boards have full jtag on them
Apr 04 01:25:56 <bradfa_> hardware guy put it there
Apr 04 01:26:00 <bradfa_> I assume for a reason
Apr 04 01:26:28 <bradfa_> I'm not usually writing code on micro controllers, just started working with cc430 like last week
Apr 04 01:26:49 <bradfa_> user manual is only 900 or so pages
Apr 04 01:27:12 <bradfa_> good bed time reading, especially the parts where it contradicts itself
Apr 04 01:27:12 <ds2> bradfa_: I see.
Apr 04 01:27:17 <ds2> the spibiwire stuff is quite nice
Apr 04 01:27:19 <ds2> none of the FET crap
Apr 04 01:27:43 <bradfa_> ds2, we have one board with spibiwire, using msp430 with the fram
Apr 04 01:27:50 <bradfa_> but I've not worked with that
Apr 04 01:28:00 <bradfa_> fram's cool stuff
Apr 04 01:29:09 <ds2> haven't had a chance to play with the FRAM stuff
Apr 04 01:29:16 <ds2> still messing with 430 + CC2500
Apr 04 01:30:27 <bradfa_> ds2, cc430 supports spy-bi-wire according to data sheet
Apr 04 01:30:36 <bradfa_> will ask hardware guy why full jtag is needed
Apr 04 01:30:44 <bradfa_> thanks for pointing that out! :)
Apr 04 01:32:43 <ds2> bradfa_: heh... those cheap ez430 dongles + mspdebug is quite nifty
Apr 04 01:34:41 <bradfa_> ds2, I'll have to look at mspdebug again
Apr 04 01:35:10 <bradfa_> I'd love to escape from ccs some day but convincing others is the hard part
Apr 04 01:35:47 <ds2> msp430-gcc works fine
Apr 04 01:36:02 <bradfa_> ds2, I work with Windows people
Apr 04 01:36:08 <ds2> cygwin
Apr 04 01:36:13 <ds2> and a big cluebat
Apr 04 01:36:19 <bradfa_> +1 cluebat
Apr 04 01:36:54 <mdp> pain theory *does not* work in a corporate environment
Apr 04 01:37:02 <mdp> just walk away
Apr 04 01:37:31 <bradfa_> mdp, I am, don't worry :)
Apr 04 01:37:45 * mranostay starts vacation
Apr 04 01:37:47 <mdp> can't even drop a cluepiano on people at work and get a reaction
Apr 04 01:38:06 <bradfa_> mdp needs a bigger crane
Apr 04 01:39:45 <bradfa_> mranostay, going anywhere good?
Apr 04 01:51:02 <Shadyman> I prefer the good ol'fashioned clue-by-four
Apr 04 01:56:48 <ka6sox> arrrrgh....
Apr 04 02:12:43 <mranostay> Shadyman: with optional nails right?
Apr 04 02:14:04 <Shadyman> mranostay: Depending on the level of cluenessness, yes.
Apr 04 02:17:02 <ka6sox> There is a special HELL reserved for designers of things that have 1 page "wiki" documents only that make sweeping changes to things :P
Apr 04 02:18:27 <Shadyman> is that above or below the level of hell reserved for child molesters and people who talk in the movie theatres?
Apr 04 02:18:49 <ka6sox> on par
Apr 04 02:18:54 <Shadyman> ah
Apr 04 02:19:56 * ka6sox now sees why nobody has worked on this issue...because its not been done before :P
Apr 04 02:46:35 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/nOsGfg
Apr 04 02:46:36 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 08f4733 Robert Nelson: 3.8: musb: properly set power as 500mA (value * 2)...
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