**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 11 02:59:59 2013
Apr 11 03:30:08 <new_beagle> Hello
Apr 11 05:20:51 <Teknoman117> does the uio_pruss driver work in kernel 3.8?
Apr 11 05:57:09 <KotH> a wonderfull pre-friday jihad!
Apr 11 05:57:23 * dm8tbr hails KotH 
Apr 11 05:57:53 <KotH> moin DevBot
Apr 11 05:57:54 <KotH> er..
Apr 11 05:57:56 <KotH> moin dm8tbr
Apr 11 05:58:04 <dm8tbr> hehe
Apr 11 05:58:14 <KotH> it's damn too early ^^'
Apr 11 05:58:49 <dm8tbr> 5:58 *nod*
Apr 11 05:59:04 <dm8tbr> that makes it almost 9 local time here
Apr 11 05:59:18 * KotH feels like 3:00
Apr 11 05:59:27 * dm8tbr waits another couple of minutes before he heads to the Orkplace
Apr 11 06:03:29 <mranostay> hey !!!!!
Apr 11 06:04:52 <dm8tbr> 'lo there punk
Apr 11 06:11:17 <mranostay> dm8tbr: how dare you :P
Apr 11 07:07:26 <woglinde> lol
Apr 11 07:07:42 <woglinde> linux is fine with the license so ne removal
Apr 11 07:07:47 <woglinde> ups linus
Apr 11 07:44:27 <koen> woglinde: keep in mind that the FSF has frequently been wrong about their assertions what is a violation and what isn't
Apr 11 07:44:42 <koen> woglinde: FSF goes "violations! cease and desist"
Apr 11 07:44:48 <koen> then you ask for details
Apr 11 07:45:00 <koen> FSF responds "we said violation!!!!"
Apr 11 07:45:05 <koen> you ask again
Apr 11 07:45:07 <koen> *crickets*
Apr 11 07:45:47 <koen> AIUI it took a threat from TI legal to get the FSF to finally respond with "yeah, we were wrong, sorry about that"
Apr 11 07:46:11 <koen> I don't trust the FSF at all
Apr 11 07:46:17 <koen> FSF-E is another matter
Apr 11 07:46:20 <koen> those guys are great
Apr 11 07:47:11 <mranostay> heh
Apr 11 07:48:16 <koen> FSF-E people grumble about not being allowed to mention the "linking document" by FSF
Apr 11 07:48:30 <koen> that doc is great, clears up a lot of the grey areas
Apr 11 07:48:39 <koen> but RMS doesn't like it
Apr 11 07:53:26 <KotH> linking document?
Apr 11 07:57:29 <ogra_> oh
Apr 11 07:58:02 * ogra_ read that as "liking document" ... defining what RMS allows you to like and what not 
Apr 11 07:58:46 <ogra_> ... more coffee
Apr 11 08:15:16 <koen> KotH: I can't seem to google it up, I'd have to ask Armijn about it next time
Apr 11 08:33:59 <tary> who knows how can i generating the file cape-boneblack-hdmi-00A0.dtbo ?
Apr 11 08:40:11 <mrpackethead> any of you guys know much about irc ops?
Apr 11 08:40:42 <ogra_> i think there is a freenode help channel for that
Apr 11 08:43:14 <KotH> yes, and it's called #help :)
Apr 11 08:46:10 <av500> gah
Apr 11 08:48:28 <mrpackethead> but none of you answered the question
Apr 11 08:48:33 <mrpackethead> i was just doing a survey
Apr 11 08:48:42 <mrpackethead> wanted to see what answers i got.
Apr 11 08:48:49 <mrpackethead> thankyou for participating in my study.
Apr 11 08:50:21 <av500> black ops?
Apr 11 08:50:23 <av500> devops?
Apr 11 08:51:45 <tary> ok, the kernel doc Documentation/devicetree/bindings/misc/capes-beaglebone.txt tell me how.
Apr 11 08:53:00 <KotH> good morning av500
Apr 11 08:53:19 <KotH> av500: looks like you woke up happy and full of energy :)
Apr 11 08:53:43 <av500> gah
Apr 11 08:53:51 <KotH> mrpackethead: well.. what do you want to ok now?
Apr 11 08:54:15 <mrpackethead> KotH, what is the square root of -1
Apr 11 08:54:34 <KotH> mrpackethead: whether ircops exist? whether anyone of us have ever met one? whether they have streaming blond hair and  ride pink ponies?
Apr 11 08:54:53 <mrpackethead> maybe in swizterland
Apr 11 08:54:55 <mrpackethead> not here
Apr 11 08:54:56 <KotH> i or j.. depending on your nomenclature
Apr 11 08:55:08 <mrpackethead> but i've been to swtizerland.. and the police there seemed very serious.
Apr 11 08:55:35 <mrpackethead> the only swiss that I've seen that are completly redicoulus looking are the ones near some big church in Rome.
Apr 11 08:55:37 <mrpackethead> :-)
Apr 11 08:56:11 <KotH> actually, these are not cops, but mercenaries
Apr 11 08:56:27 <av500> merchandisers
Apr 11 08:56:41 <KotH> and it's irc op, not ir cop
Apr 11 08:56:44 <KotH> big difference
Apr 11 08:56:57 <KotH> av500: that too :)
Apr 11 09:50:39 <panto> morning
Apr 11 10:00:59 <woglinde> gm panto
Apr 11 10:01:07 <panto> hi woglinde
Apr 11 10:30:02 <av500> does anybody need 25 CC2530?
Apr 11 10:30:13 * panto raises hand
Apr 11 10:30:18 <woglinde> whats that?
Apr 11 10:30:30 <av500> woglinde: whats google?
Apr 11 10:30:38 <av500> but zigbee
Apr 11 10:30:47 <ynezz> old
Apr 11 10:31:02 <panto> av500, send a couple if you can spare them
Apr 11 10:31:12 <av500> sure
Apr 11 10:31:20 <av500> its the naked chips though
Apr 11 10:31:23 <av500> not modules
Apr 11 10:31:27 <woglinde> av500 you have enough for your home now?
Apr 11 10:31:28 <panto> no problem
Apr 11 10:39:30 <av500> http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/11/kontron-unveils-smarc-starterkit-for-arm-systems-on-module/
Apr 11 10:39:41 <av500> koen: jkridner: I expect BBB to ship in such a case
Apr 11 10:39:56 <av500> panto: 10 OK?
Apr 11 10:40:08 <panto> sure
Apr 11 10:40:23 <av500> I assume greek post still operates?
Apr 11 10:40:29 <panto> yeah
Apr 11 10:40:59 <av500> I can write: Panto, Greece
Apr 11 10:48:33 <flaushy> av500: just the chips?
Apr 11 10:49:03 <koen> no dip sauce?
Apr 11 10:52:18 <flaushy> ah nm... missed the important lines in the backlog :/
Apr 11 10:53:08 * koen gets waits for slow sd card to catch up and reads http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/230304
Apr 11 10:53:33 <ogra_> heh
Apr 11 10:53:51 <ogra_> who uses v4 or 5 anyway
Apr 11 10:54:17 <koen> ogra_: v4/v5 && OABI
Apr 11 10:54:24 <ogra_> yeah
Apr 11 10:54:39 <ogra_> thats what i mean ... is there a new openmoko coming ?
Apr 11 10:55:34 <koen> OMFG
Apr 11 10:55:35 <koen> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/230463
Apr 11 10:55:37 <Russ> who doesn't just use softfloat on those platforms
Apr 11 10:55:40 <koen> woglinde: read that and weep
Apr 11 10:56:44 <panto> looks like all low-end arm platforms are in for a world of hurt
Apr 11 10:56:51 <koen> not really
Apr 11 10:56:59 <koen> EABI works fine on strongarm
Apr 11 10:57:16 <koen> aiui the bx,lr fixup is in upstream binutils
Apr 11 10:57:26 <panto> so rmk is talking out of his ass?
Apr 11 10:57:35 <Russ> say it isn't so!
Apr 11 10:58:04 <koen> panto: RMK tends to be blind to progress
Apr 11 10:58:34 <panto> stuck on ARM for ACORN? :)
Apr 11 10:59:26 <koen> likely
Apr 11 11:00:27 <koen> ah, there it is
Apr 11 11:00:38 <koen> "If you pass --fix-v4bx to the linker it will generate plain v4 binaries, which are not interworking safe, so should not be used on later cores (which may have Thumb libraries). --fix-v4bx-interworking generates code that works on armv4, and is also interworking safe on later hardware."
Apr 11 11:00:50 <av500> koen: no
Apr 11 11:00:54 <av500> you are missing a point
Apr 11 11:00:59 <av500> he has binaries
Apr 11 11:01:01 <av500> not the source
Apr 11 11:01:27 <koen> well
Apr 11 11:01:33 <koen> he can patch nwfpe back in
Apr 11 11:01:43 <koen> as long as he chad goodmans the resulting binary
Apr 11 11:02:51 <Stefan_> Hello :)
Apr 11 11:03:33 <koen> So there's a problem IFF you have old binaries AND need to run a recent kernel AND you have a armv4 cpu core
Apr 11 11:03:44 <koen> oh
Apr 11 11:03:55 <koen> AND you need to distribute the code/binaries for said kernel
Apr 11 11:04:52 * koen wonders how many people fit into that intersection of the venn diagram
Apr 11 11:05:43 <ogra_> 7
Apr 11 11:05:50 <ogra_> (just a guess)
Apr 11 11:06:21 <koen> and reading what RMK said, I had to think of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikkie_Dik
Apr 11 11:06:31 <koen> safe for work
Apr 11 11:14:02 <woglinde> koen I read it yesterday and comment it
Apr 11 11:14:08 <woglinde> here in the channel
Apr 11 11:16:20 <woglinde> hm i386 get retired why not strongarm
Apr 11 11:16:49 <woglinde> I should send a patchset to linus
Apr 11 11:17:56 <jackmitchell> woglinde: you might make Phoronix headlines
Apr 11 11:19:21 <av500> woglinde: do it
Apr 11 11:19:48 <woglinde> I wonder what words rmk than have for me
Apr 11 11:20:26 <woglinde> and I still have a strongarm here
Apr 11 11:20:48 <av500> I dont even have a strong will
Apr 11 11:21:33 * av500 forks a salad
Apr 11 11:23:08 <woglinde> dont fork it eat it
Apr 11 11:26:25 <mru> with a fork
Apr 11 11:26:58 <av500> only with a morally justified fork
Apr 11 11:27:02 <av500> not an evil fork
Apr 11 11:27:06 <panto> fork time too
Apr 11 11:27:17 <mru> fork morals
Apr 11 11:27:26 <av500> FORK OFF!
Apr 11 11:27:46 <av500> panto: gyros again?
Apr 11 11:27:49 <Stefan_> lol :)
Apr 11 11:28:30 <Stefan_> Anybody know if the SPIEN pins are accessible from any of the expansion headers?
Apr 11 11:28:57 <Stefan_> I've looked at the documentation and either I'm blind or stupid :)
Apr 11 11:29:02 <av500> schematics might know
Apr 11 11:29:28 <av500> also, beagle, bone or devkit8000000000?
Apr 11 11:29:34 <Stefan_> bone
Apr 11 11:29:45 <Stefan_> I've found the rest of the relevant pisn
Apr 11 11:29:49 <Stefan_> *pins
Apr 11 11:31:04 <woglinde> av500 you sovled another problem
Apr 11 11:31:39 <Stefan_> but the spien is missing
Apr 11 11:32:02 <av500> woglinde: I'm more in the problem creating business
Apr 11 11:33:03 <Stefan_> av500: Am I being daft or is SPICS used as SPIEN as well?!?
Apr 11 11:34:26 <av500> daft is in the eye of the TRM
Apr 11 11:34:49 <Stefan_> :)
Apr 11 11:35:11 <Stefan_> I thought CS was used to select who you're talking to in MultiChannel mode?
Apr 11 11:37:51 <Stefan_> I am starting to hate the documentation
Apr 11 11:39:53 <av500> it will just hate you back
Apr 11 11:40:00 <av500> this is not the way
Apr 11 11:42:34 <av500> Crofton|work: did you see the usage of USRP to hijack planes?
Apr 11 11:44:25 <panto> back
Apr 11 11:45:08 <Stefan_> av500: Well does anybody then know the answer to my problem i.e. what is SPIEN and how do I see its signal :)
Apr 11 11:46:57 <Crofton|work> a saw the aritcle didn't see the usrp bit
Apr 11 11:47:04 <Crofton|work> I guess I need to re read it :)
Apr 11 11:48:27 <Crofton|work> the ADS-B stuff has been presented b4
Apr 11 11:49:24 <Crofton|work> hopefully, this does not make it hard to fly with USRP's :)
Apr 11 11:51:13 <av500> Crofton|work: you can fly
Apr 11 11:51:26 <av500> just don this orange overall and get strapped down
Apr 11 11:51:33 <av500> thank you sir
Apr 11 11:51:53 <Crofton|work> yep, there is a usrp!
Apr 11 11:53:49 <Crofton|work> I wonder if the FBI has come by yet
Apr 11 11:54:08 <panto> bake them some cookies to get on their good side
Apr 11 11:54:39 <mru> aren't cookies on the dark side?
Apr 11 11:57:58 <av500> XorA: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zqFoq3qej2c/StJKfSO2K1I/AAAAAAABG50/husB0Tg0LfI/s640/PAL1_Scotsman.jpg
Apr 11 12:02:22 <jackmitchell> Stefan_: I don't know what SPIEN is, I guess you are talking about SPI?
Apr 11 12:02:33 <XorA> av500: OH DEAR!
Apr 11 12:02:42 <jackmitchell> you haven't really given us the basics apart from state that SPIEN is missing
Apr 11 12:03:07 <jackmitchell> I thought you were trying to say something abusive in German at first
Apr 11 12:04:06 <XorA> av500: I fear those stereotypes will get worse the nearer we get to the vote!
Apr 11 12:07:56 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: Yes I am talking about the SPI -- I am just trying to figure out the semantics
Apr 11 12:08:15 <Stefan_> I have the feeling that SPICS and SPIEN are used interchangeably in the documentation
Apr 11 12:08:30 <Stefan_> also I am struggling with understanding what "First write request: TX empty - Generate DMA write event/ polling TX empty flag by CPU to write First transmit word into MCSPI_TX(i)."
Apr 11 12:08:31 <Stefan_> means
Apr 11 12:08:53 <jackmitchell> Stefan_: have you looked at how the SPI protocl works?
Apr 11 12:09:08 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: I've been reading the documentation for several hours now
Apr 11 12:09:10 <jackmitchell> I imagine, SPI Enabled and SPI Chip Select are the same things
Apr 11 12:09:20 <jackmitchell> there are only 4 wires to spi
Apr 11 12:09:21 <Stefan_> I am on the same opinion as well
Apr 11 12:09:26 <jackmitchell> if 2 are data and one is clock
Apr 11 12:09:35 <Stefan_> I agree
Apr 11 12:09:45 <Stefan_> so that's one problem solved
Apr 11 12:09:55 <Stefan_> However I still am fuzzy on how the actual transmission process goes
Apr 11 12:10:11 <av500> CS goes low
Apr 11 12:10:13 <Stefan_> so I write into MCSPI_CH(i)CTRL to enable and disable channels
Apr 11 12:10:27 <Stefan_> av500: well you could enable it to go high, right?
Apr 11 12:10:30 <jackmitchell> What OS are you working with?
Apr 11 12:10:35 <av500> Stefan_: yes
Apr 11 12:10:39 <av500> CS low or high
Apr 11 12:10:40 <jackmitchell> or not, as the case may be
Apr 11 12:10:45 <Stefan_> av500: yeah, that's good :)
Apr 11 12:10:47 <av500> stay low or high between bytes or maybe not
Apr 11 12:11:01 <av500> write and read data on falling or rising edge of clock
Apr 11 12:11:03 <woglinde> bitbang a lot
Apr 11 12:11:03 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: I am working on the bone with a bit of a homegrown kernel
Apr 11 12:11:23 <Stefan_> woglinde: yeah that's all i do :)
Apr 11 12:11:33 <jackmitchell> Stefan_: why don;t you model your driver for your custom kernel on the linux driver?
Apr 11 12:11:46 <av500> SPI was invented to be more complicated than bitbanging
Apr 11 12:11:47 <jackmitchell> the omap2-spi driver is fairly straight forward
Apr 11 12:12:08 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: well, where can I find it?
Apr 11 12:12:15 <jackmitchell> www.kernel.org
Apr 11 12:12:48 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: all the drivers I've looked at make me feel like I've never programmed before, I read them and they don't seem related to the documentation of the hardware at all
Apr 11 12:12:50 <av500> isnt that hacked?
Apr 11 12:13:23 <jackmitchell> Stefan_: my guilty troll conscience will let you have this: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/tree/drivers/spi/spi-omap2-mcspi.c?id=refs/tags/next-20130411
Apr 11 12:13:36 <Stefan_> av500: SPI complicated? I though it's just a clock, a chip select and serial data, what's complicated in that -- that's bitbanging in its essense to me
Apr 11 12:13:58 <jackmitchell> Stefan_: haha, welcome to the world of complicated socs and underpaid workers
Apr 11 12:14:15 <woglinde> jackmitcvh
Apr 11 12:14:23 <woglinde> hms
Apr 11 12:14:32 <woglinde> jackmitchell that explains musb
Apr 11 12:15:29 <jackmitchell> woglinde: I would need a 7 figure salary to even consider writing comprehensive documentation on musb
Apr 11 12:15:44 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: yeah thanks, I think I'll like it here ;)
Apr 11 12:15:57 <Stefan_> ok that driver looks a bit more reasonable
Apr 11 12:15:59 <Stefan_> but it's LONG
Apr 11 12:16:49 <jackmitchell> Stefan_: it's got a lot of deatures
Apr 11 12:16:55 <jackmitchell> s/deatures/features
Apr 11 12:17:28 <jackmitchell> are you planning on usign DMA or PIO
Apr 11 12:18:07 <Stefan_> PIO?
Apr 11 12:18:20 <Stefan_> I'd like to start simple as my understanding is low
Apr 11 12:18:42 <jackmitchell> heh, you're in for a long year
Apr 11 12:19:00 <Stefan_> lol -- I was hoping to have this running in a week tops :(
Apr 11 12:19:02 <woglinde> long year?
Apr 11 12:19:09 <jackmitchell> as far as I understand it PIO is interrupt driven
Apr 11 12:19:34 <jackmitchell> woglinde: I was inciting that it takes a long time to learn/do
Apr 11 12:20:00 <jackmitchell> DMA is another level in it'self
Apr 11 12:20:15 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: Yeah, I know :/
Apr 11 12:20:20 * woglinde remebers the day where you had to switch on DMA on your disk to get better throughput than PIO
Apr 11 12:20:30 <Stefan_> I am going to rethink my life over lunch
Apr 11 12:20:44 <Stefan_> Thanks for the help -- I am more confused now :)
Apr 11 12:21:06 <jackmitchell> my pleasure :)
Apr 11 12:21:09 <Stefan_> I was hoping I could configure a few registers and then simply write to a register to transfer data
Apr 11 12:21:20 <Stefan_> as I don't need duplex
Apr 11 12:21:34 <Stefan_> Is that possible at all?
Apr 11 12:21:38 <jackmitchell> Stefan_: you probably can, but figuring out those registers and ensuring the rest of the chip it set up properly is the hard bit
Apr 11 12:21:56 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: well they're in the TI documentation
Apr 11 12:22:17 <jackmitchell> Stefan_: spi is duplex by nature I believe, aka a non duplex transfer is just a transfer with an empty tx/rx buffer
Apr 11 12:22:22 <woglinde> dont trust the hw
Apr 11 12:22:30 <panto> trust no one
Apr 11 12:22:32 <woglinde> and dont trust its documentation
Apr 11 12:23:05 <jackmitchell> Stefan_: read the function omap2_mcspi_txrx_pio and see if that turns on any light bulbs
Apr 11 12:23:06 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: My understanding is you can set a Master one direction mode
Apr 11 12:23:49 <Stefan_> *master mode and a direction
Apr 11 12:24:18 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: Thanks -- I'll try that after lunch, I'll probably be back here after that ranting about how little I know and how confusing it all is :)
Apr 11 12:24:43 <jackmitchell> Stefan_: there is a reason the omap2-spi driver is still under development, 2/3/4 years on...
Apr 11 12:24:50 <av500> we'll be there
Apr 11 12:25:06 <Stefan_> A quick question though -- what would be easier for me to do gpmc or spi?
Apr 11 12:25:15 <av500> ?
Apr 11 12:25:27 <av500> if your peripheral is SPI,  I would use SPI
Apr 11 12:25:35 <Stefan_> Well ok to put it into perspective -- I wan to push some data from the bone to an FPGA
Apr 11 12:25:47 <av500> depends
Apr 11 12:25:50 <Stefan_> but it has to be with a clock as Xilinx does not support asynchronous FIFOs anymore
Apr 11 12:25:54 <panto> av500, +1
Apr 11 12:26:07 <Crofton|work> Stefan_, how fast?
Apr 11 12:26:14 <Stefan_> what's the easiest way to do it at a speed of over 5 Mbps?
Apr 11 12:26:42 <Stefan_> to be more precise let's define speed as 5Mbps < speed < 30 Mbps
Apr 11 12:26:51 <Crofton|work> bit per sec?
Apr 11 12:26:57 <Stefan_> yes bit
Apr 11 12:27:05 <Crofton|work> spi w 52 MHz clock?
Apr 11 12:27:25 <Stefan_> I will be happy with the 48 MHz clock as well
Apr 11 12:27:29 <Stefan_> so is that easier than gpmc?
Apr 11 12:27:34 <Crofton|work> yes :)
Apr 11 12:27:47 <Stefan_> ok, at least I'm on the right track :)
Apr 11 12:28:11 <Stefan_> lunch time -- I'll be back in a bit :)
Apr 11 12:37:16 <jackmitchell> guys, some quick git help if possible, how can I add another remote repository and checkout from it, but still be able to switch back to origin/master
Apr 11 12:38:33 <jackmitchell> can I do
Apr 11 12:38:50 <jackmitchell> git remote add khem-gcc-4.8 http://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/log/?h=kraj/gcc-4.8
Apr 11 12:39:04 <jackmitchell> git checkout khem-gcc-4.8/master
Apr 11 12:39:13 <jackmitchell> the git checkout origin/master
Apr 11 12:40:03 <koen> jackmitchell: git remote add khem-gcc-4.8 git://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib ; git remote update ; git checkout khem-gcc-4.8/master
Apr 11 12:40:16 <koen> ehm
Apr 11 12:40:26 <koen> git checkout khem-gcc-4.8/master -b some-fancy-name-that-isnt-master
Apr 11 12:46:03 <jackmitchell> thanks koen
Apr 11 12:51:20 <woglinde> koen do you know if kernel 3.2 mainline boots on qemu
Apr 11 12:53:30 <yegorich> Strange phenomenon on am335x, if I enable FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE Debian 7.0 freezes after starting xdm, but qt embedded image (Buildroot + Qt) is working. And vice versa Qt won't work without FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE support.
Apr 11 12:54:32 <yegorich> arago kernel 3.2
Apr 11 12:54:48 <woglinde> yegorich try the 3.8 kernel
Apr 11 12:56:32 <yegorich> woglinde: kernel > 3.2 is in a pipeline, but as of graphics, I'll have to port sii9022 driver from my 3.2 tree into the new one.
Apr 11 12:59:54 <woglinde> yegorich you should try get it upstream
Apr 11 13:00:22 <woglinde> than it is lesser hassle and other developer looks at it
Apr 11 13:01:02 <panto> woglinde, +1
Apr 11 13:02:39 <av500> upstream all the things
Apr 11 13:02:46 <av500> at least to 3.8 so we can finish it
Apr 11 13:03:31 <av500> keesj: damn, it's only 145€
Apr 11 13:09:06 <mdp> av500, upstream is ti-linux.git
Apr 11 13:09:54 <mdp> ti-linux-kernel.git, even
Apr 11 13:10:01 <jackmitchell> mdp: I once stumbled apon this fabled repo, how can I find it
Apr 11 13:10:20 <mdp> http://git.ti.com/ti-linux-kernel
Apr 11 13:10:21 <jackmitchell> mdp: found it with your correction
Apr 11 13:11:47 <mdp> run that on your omap5 board ;)
Apr 11 13:12:15 <woglinde> I have none
Apr 11 13:12:27 <jackmitchell> eek, is it that experimental
Apr 11 13:13:00 <jackmitchell> I'm waiting for 3.9 to transfer over onto mainline, I only need i2c and DMA spi
Apr 11 13:13:40 <mdp> on am335x
Apr 11 13:13:45 <jackmitchell> yup
Apr 11 13:13:53 <mdp> no dma support coming
Apr 11 13:14:01 <jackmitchell> urgh, have they still not taken your patche
Apr 11 13:14:02 <jackmitchell> s
Apr 11 13:14:17 <mdp> I got some late comments and was reassigned to dra7xx stuff
Apr 11 13:14:20 <jackmitchell> I thought I saw them on the verge of going in 3 weeks ago...
Apr 11 13:14:40 <mdp> couldn't rewrite things before missing the window
Apr 11 13:14:43 <mdp> nope
Apr 11 13:14:50 <jackmitchell> I may jump to 3.9 anyway and run your out of tree patches till they make 3.10
Apr 11 13:15:00 <mdp> new target is 3.11
Apr 11 13:15:09 <mdp> missed 3.10 already
Apr 11 13:15:12 <jackmitchell> I really need perf and it's knackered with the cco build
Apr 11 13:15:29 <mdp> just depends if I'm permitted to work on it
Apr 11 13:15:49 <jackmitchell> hah, ok I'll keep an eye out
Apr 11 13:16:27 <yegorich> mdp: is there http variant of git://git.ti.com/ti-linux-kernel/ti-linux-kernel.git?
Apr 11 13:16:45 <mdp> I don't know
Apr 11 13:16:55 <mdp> I haven't even used that site yet
Apr 11 13:17:08 <jackmitchell> yegorich: it's gitorious so I would imagine so...
Apr 11 13:17:19 <mdp> I wouldn't recommend it for am335x, fwiw
Apr 11 13:17:34 <mdp> lots of gaps compared to the beagleboard kernel
Apr 11 13:17:50 <yegorich> mdp: O.K.
Apr 11 13:18:04 <mdp> i.e., no audio at all on am335x
Apr 11 13:18:17 <yegorich> jackmitchell: here http://gitorious.org/linux-can/can-utils you have a choice between git and http
Apr 11 13:18:37 <mdp> it has some base support for am335x, but the focus is on omap5 release
Apr 11 13:18:51 <yegorich> mdp: then I'll stick to beagleboard kernel
Apr 11 13:19:04 <mdp> I would recommend it..just what I know is missing is enough to avoid it
Apr 11 13:19:16 <mdp> not to mention no dynamic overlay support
Apr 11 13:19:24 <mdp> it's just not useful in beagle-land
Apr 11 13:19:31 <jackmitchell> is there going to be an omap5 beagle, the beagletail maybe
Apr 11 13:19:47 <mdp> I can't imagine
Apr 11 13:19:54 <jackmitchell> hehe I was playing
Apr 11 13:20:49 <mdp> it's a restricted part..they won't let you buy the uEVM from svtronics without special approval
Apr 11 13:21:20 <yegorich> what was the latest status og KMS support for am335x? What kernel version has it?
Apr 11 13:21:37 <mdp> I think the driver went upstream already
Apr 11 13:21:48 <mdp> somebody said that the other day
Apr 11 13:22:05 <yegorich> but I think it is since 3.9?
Apr 11 13:22:53 <woglinde> git grep helps
Apr 11 13:23:00 <mdp> yes
Apr 11 13:23:03 <mdp> 3.9
Apr 11 13:23:14 <mdp> strange..I was told the kernel was done at 3.8
Apr 11 13:23:19 * mdp queries mgmt
Apr 11 13:23:23 <woglinde> lol
Apr 11 13:29:56 <Stefan_> jackmitchell: That driver is magic -- I actually understand some of it, now that's a first!
Apr 11 13:47:13 * bradfa wants magic money
Apr 11 13:48:06 <mdp> bradfa, mmmm..is that the untraceable kind?
Apr 11 13:48:08 <mdp> I'l ltake some
Apr 11 13:48:24 <woglinde> bradfa dig some bitcoins
Apr 11 13:48:26 <bradfa> as long as it's not bitcoin :)
Apr 11 13:48:30 <woglinde> lol
Apr 11 13:48:36 <bradfa> that market is crazy
Apr 11 13:48:44 <bradfa> wall street, eat your heart out!
Apr 11 13:50:44 <mdp> av500's suggestion is your best bet, bradfa
Apr 11 13:50:51 <bradfa> :)
Apr 11 13:51:02 <mdp> bradfa, there's no money to pay developers any longer ;)
Apr 11 13:51:29 <bradfa> Apparently it's an epidemic, I'm writing code for msp430 these days
Apr 11 13:52:11 <mdp> that part feeds my chilluns too
Apr 11 13:52:15 <mdp> keep up the good work
Apr 11 13:52:30 <bradfa> Yes, sir!
Apr 11 13:52:49 <mdp> can I interest you in 50Mu of op amps?
Apr 11 13:52:57 <bradfa> hmmm
Apr 11 13:59:39 <Rotti> hi!
Apr 11 14:00:14 <Rotti> again some problems with the beaglebone.. i connected a wifi stick to the usb port but it rejects the device due to insufficient available bus power
Apr 11 14:00:38 <panto> use a powered usb hub
Apr 11 14:01:04 <Rotti> panto: if possible, i'd like to avoid that because it
Apr 11 14:01:10 <Rotti> 's a mobile platform
Apr 11 14:01:36 <Rotti> i had the stick already running with a 3.2 kernel
Apr 11 14:01:52 <panto> maybe cause it didn't respect the limit
Apr 11 14:02:15 <panto> I'm not saying it won't work, but you might run into the case of abrupt power cut-off
Apr 11 14:02:32 <koen> Rotti: update your 3.8 kernel
Apr 11 14:03:07 <koen> Rotti: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/blob/3.8/patches/usb/0011-ARM-OMAP-am335x-musb-use-250-for-power.patch
Apr 11 14:04:03 <Rotti> koen: that leads me to another question... during the last weeks, i made some changes in different files... will those be lost if i run patch.sh?
Apr 11 14:04:40 <koen> yes
Apr 11 14:05:27 <Rotti> uhm, that would be a problem...
Apr 11 14:05:53 <koen> commit them and add them to the patch stack
Apr 11 14:08:21 <jkridner|work> panto: it seems there is a call to dev_get_drvdata(dev); in state change.  My guess is I haven't provided any useful data, but I'm not sure there is any useful data to provide.  If the structure is empty, do I simply return on state-change?
Apr 11 14:08:23 <Rotti> is there any tutorial? i'm new to git and all this... but i already bought a book ;)
Apr 11 14:08:39 <av500> buy a book shelf now :)
Apr 11 14:08:59 <Rotti> av500: i've had that before ;)
Apr 11 14:09:11 <Rotti> but not it isn't empty anymore :D
Apr 11 14:09:59 <Rotti> i know i'll run into problems later, but i did the changes regarding usb by hand for now...
Apr 11 14:11:24 <panto> jkridner|work, no idea
Apr 11 14:11:33 <panto> looks like the pwm driver is crapping out
Apr 11 14:12:27 <panto> are you sure you are referring the correct pwm device?
Apr 11 14:12:45 <panto> the crash would be explained easily if you were activating a pwm that's not created
Apr 11 14:14:22 <av500> Rotti: you can easily git diff > my.patch and reapply that
Apr 11 14:15:00 <jkridner|work> panto: I don't know enough to say.  I shared my .dts. :)
Apr 11 14:15:47 <jackmitchell> ls
Apr 11 14:16:13 <jackmitchell> I hate OE and it's obsession with qemu
Apr 11 14:16:31 * jkridner|work looks to see if ehrpwm2 is there
Apr 11 14:16:46 <jkridner|work> guess I'd only tried ehrpwm0 before.
Apr 11 14:18:00 <Rotti> av500: thanks, i'll try that
Apr 11 14:18:39 <jkridner|work> panto: ehrpwm2 is in am33xx.dtsi.
Apr 11 14:18:45 <jkridner|work> is there something more I need to turn it on?
Apr 11 14:19:05 <jkridner|work> can I not just set the status = "okay"?
Apr 11 14:20:02 <panto> I will need more logs
Apr 11 14:20:06 <panto> dmesg
Apr 11 14:20:23 <panto> err, wait
Apr 11 14:20:37 <panto> is ehrpwm2 part of epwmss0?
Apr 11 14:21:12 <panto> no
Apr 11 14:21:18 <panto> it's part of epwmss2
Apr 11 14:21:58 <panto> so you're turning on a pwm that's part of a subsystem that's not turned on -> crash
Apr 11 14:23:44 <jkridner|work> panto: oh!
Apr 11 14:23:49 <jkridner|work> thanks.
Apr 11 14:24:09 <jkridner|work> really appreciate your patience.
Apr 11 14:24:26 * jkridner|work made dumb assumptions.
Apr 11 14:26:08 <jkridner|work> is compatible="ti,beaglebone" enough to always work on black?
Apr 11 14:27:49 <panto> yes
Apr 11 14:27:57 <panto> there's nothing special about black
Apr 11 14:28:09 <mdp> ahhh
Apr 11 14:28:38 <av500> koen: http://www.golem.de/news/linux-kernel-lizenzprobleme-beim-arm-code-1304-98666.html
Apr 11 14:28:40 <av500> OMG LOL
Apr 11 14:28:44 <jkridner|work> do you think it is enough granularity to provide .dts files once per epwmss?
Apr 11 14:28:48 <av500> golem is worse than moronix
Apr 11 14:29:32 <woglinde> jackmitchell whats wrong with it?
Apr 11 14:29:50 <woglinde> jackmitchell you can test stuff without needed the real hw in jenkins
Apr 11 14:30:08 <jackmitchell> woglinde: qemu is stopping my build due to it failing, but I can't seem to remove qemu from the build as I don't use/need it
Apr 11 14:30:16 <woglinde> ????
Apr 11 14:30:25 <woglinde> qemu fails not here
Apr 11 14:30:28 <mranostay> hello friend, trolls and enemies!
Apr 11 14:30:36 <woglinde> gm mranostay
Apr 11 14:30:41 <mru> mranostay: who's your friend?
Apr 11 14:30:41 <panto> pew pew mranostay
Apr 11 14:30:43 <jackmitchell> I'm using Khems GCC 4.8 patches, it may have something to do with them
Apr 11 14:30:46 <mdp> mourning mranostay
Apr 11 14:30:50 <woglinde> mranostay you forgot groupies
Apr 11 14:31:02 <woglinde> jackmitchell bleeding edge is your problem
Apr 11 14:31:02 <panto> there are no groupies in the tech industry
Apr 11 14:31:13 <panto> or at least ones you'd like to look at
Apr 11 14:31:25 <mdp> what?
Apr 11 14:31:32 <woglinde> jackmitchell besides we need qemu to run some binaries to create stuff where no native tool is for
Apr 11 14:31:37 <jackmitchell> woglinde: yeah, well GCC started failing to build so I thought I would jump to 4.8, which builds but now fails in something else
Apr 11 14:31:47 <Rotti> is anyone using a wifi stick with a rtl8192cu chip? if i ifconfig it up, it hangs and i'll get a wdt (?) timeout
Apr 11 14:31:52 <mdp> my high school counselor totally lied about the groupies :(
Apr 11 14:32:02 <jackmitchell> woglinde: I have no issues with qemu, just that it nearly always gets built, even when not needed
Apr 11 14:32:06 <woglinde> jackmitchell and qemu is native package so your host is broken
Apr 11 14:32:32 <woglinde> mdp what did he tell you?
Apr 11 14:33:05 <mdp> go into engineering...tons of groupies
Apr 11 14:33:12 <mdp> what a disappointment
Apr 11 14:33:21 <woglinde> jackmitchell hm so you needed only a bit trolling, okay
Apr 11 14:33:28 <woglinde> mdp clever teacher
Apr 11 14:33:42 <jackmitchell> woglinde: heh :P
Apr 11 14:33:56 <jackmitchell> I was ambiguous with my original statement
Apr 11 14:34:11 <panto> I'd need a few review cycles for a resetctrl subsystem
Apr 11 14:34:15 <panto> anyone?
Apr 11 14:34:33 <jackmitchell> it seems qemu is brought in with image.bbclass, here: DEPENDS += "${MLPREFIX}qemuwrapper-cross ${MLPREFIX}depmodwrapper-cross"
Apr 11 14:34:34 <mdp> woglinde, they never show you this team photo when selling the industry: http://goo.gl/WkQWA
Apr 11 14:35:02 <jackmitchell> I don;t really understand why they're hard depends if you use image.bbclass
Apr 11 14:35:15 <koen> jkridner|work: have one dts that enables all pwms, people can edit it and remove conflicts if they want to
Apr 11 14:35:47 <jkridner|work> k.  I'm still needing to have an additional .dts per pin.
Apr 11 14:36:00 <mdp> koen, people can't edit dts files
Apr 11 14:36:04 <jackmitchell> mdp: there is two women in that photo, I would call that a over representation of how many women you expect to see in engineering companies
Apr 11 14:36:19 <mdp> jackmitchell, true
Apr 11 14:36:35 <koen> mdp: rename them to .js
Apr 11 14:36:35 <jackmitchell> mdp: maybe that was the groupie photo :D
Apr 11 14:36:38 <woglinde> mdp at least two women
Apr 11 14:38:32 <mdp> koen, +1
Apr 11 14:39:37 <mdp> jackmitchell, yeah, got it backwards ;) that ratio makes it look like the industry regressed in that respect
Apr 11 14:59:52 <jkridner|work> temporarily to help with getting this cleaned up quickly: https://github.com/jadonk/validation-scripts/tree/master/test-pwm
Apr 11 15:11:01 <jkridner|work> k, that is now loading PWM drivers for all of the EHRPWM* PWMs.  Still need to add the eCAP PWMs.
Apr 11 15:12:11 <jkridner|work> ugh, the slot entries are ok, but only one instance of pwm_test. :(
Apr 11 15:12:35 <koen> like I said, just load all 8
Apr 11 15:12:59 <jkridner|work> no.  I'm not going to hard-code all of the PWM pins.
Apr 11 15:13:50 <jkridner|work> actually, there are 2 pwm_test entries, but one isn't properly labelled.  checking all my labels...
Apr 11 15:14:06 <jkridner|work> actually, I forgot to remove the extra crap from all the pin dts files.  doing that now.
Apr 11 15:17:33 <panto> mdp, around?
Apr 11 15:17:53 <mdp> yes
Apr 11 15:18:06 <av500> http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/11/open-source-time-machine-2-build-a-complete-watch-yourself/
Apr 11 15:18:08 <panto> care to take a look at a stab on a reset control subsystem?
Apr 11 15:18:23 <mdp> short on time but I can try later
Apr 11 15:18:31 <mranostay> panto: can we stab you instead
Apr 11 15:18:38 <mranostay> everyone wins
Apr 11 15:18:47 <mdp> always time to stab people though
Apr 11 15:24:29 <jkridner|work> koen: btw, thanks for the ping on the dropbear issue.
Apr 11 15:24:49 <koen> on systemd-devel?
Apr 11 15:24:54 <jkridner|work> yeah
Apr 11 15:24:56 <koen> my router suffers from it as well
Apr 11 15:25:08 <koen> I'm getting tired of walking down and attaching serial
Apr 11 15:25:09 <jkridner|work> I actually used Cloud9 IDE to restart it for me. :-o
Apr 11 15:25:26 <jkridner|work> child_process.exec()
Apr 11 15:25:26 <mdp> panto, reviewing..I'm stuck in omap5 clocking hell anyway
Apr 11 15:25:45 <jkridner|work> had to laugh that that thing was still running when dropbear was down.
Apr 11 15:25:51 <panto> it's somewhat related to both pinctlr + pwm sybsystems
Apr 11 15:26:40 <jkridner|work> hurray, 12 different pwm_test devices!
Apr 11 15:26:56 <jkridner|work> now to see they all spit out PWM signals.
Apr 11 16:13:59 <Stefan_> My troubles have no end
Apr 11 16:14:19 <Stefan_> I'm getting a seg fault at address 48030110 when trying to read MCSPI_SYSCONFIG
Apr 11 16:14:25 <Stefan_> Any ideas?
Apr 11 16:17:44 <av500> clock not enabled?
Apr 11 16:19:22 <Stefan_> What do you mean by that?
Apr 11 16:19:35 <Stefan_> The functional clock to the module?
Apr 11 16:19:53 <prpplague> ds2: got a quote back from those cnc guys
Apr 11 16:20:01 <prpplague> ds2: $12k for a total package
Apr 11 16:20:11 <av500> Stefan_: yes
Apr 11 16:20:18 <av500> or interface clock
Apr 11 16:20:26 <av500> whatever is needed to access the registers
Apr 11 16:20:36 <av500> er, from user space?
Apr 11 16:21:08 <Stefan_> from kernel space
Apr 11 16:21:20 <Stefan_> How do you enable the clock? I know it's a dumb question
Apr 11 16:21:28 <Stefan_> but I did not see anything in the registers
Apr 11 16:21:30 <Stefan_> on how to do that...
Apr 11 16:22:20 <Stefan_> av500: I did read that during initialization you need to provide the clocks
Apr 11 16:22:32 <Stefan_> but it never mentions how or where
Apr 11 16:22:34 <Stefan_> or anything like that
Apr 11 16:22:48 <Stefan_> so I assumed they're fine...
Apr 11 16:24:30 <Stefan_> "The clock CLKSPIREF must be provided to the module, in order to allow the ResetDone status bit to be set. When used in slave mode, the clock CLKSPIREF is needed only during the reset phase. The clock CLKSPIREF can be switched off after the ResetDone status is set."
Apr 11 16:24:41 <Stefan_> This is all I found
Apr 11 16:25:50 <Stefan_> Could this be cause by me trying to read MCSPI_SYSCONFIG while the module is resetting?
Apr 11 16:25:57 <Stefan_> *caused
Apr 11 16:26:52 <mdp> Stefan_, read the clock chapter, also read the "Integration" section for the McSPI IP where it shows the iclk/fclk sources for that IP
Apr 11 16:27:35 <mdp> in the clock chapter you'll find diagrams etc that show the complete tree of clocks and domains and what you need to enable for a particular IP to be accessed
Apr 11 16:27:48 <Stefan_> Power and Clock Management (PRCM) ?
Apr 11 16:27:52 <mdp> yes
Apr 11 16:27:57 <Stefan_> Cool, thanks mdp! :)
Apr 11 16:28:00 <Stefan_> I'll do that :)
Apr 11 16:28:13 <Stefan_> what would I do without you... :)
Apr 11 16:28:24 <mdp> lol
Apr 11 16:28:39 <mdp> btw, you might find the u-boot source code for am335x to be a useful learning tool for this
Apr 11 16:29:10 <mdp> you can see the sequence of the initialization of various plls and ungating of clocks for modules in there and correlate that to the TRM
Apr 11 16:29:35 <mdp> far easier to follow than the equivalent being done in hwmod spaghetti code
Apr 11 16:29:40 <Stefan_> I'll have a gander at that as well
Apr 11 16:29:50 <Stefan_> The integration section is in the PRCM?
Apr 11 16:30:34 <mdp> arch/arm/cpu/armv7/am33xx/clock.c for the relevant u-boot code
Apr 11 16:30:52 <mdp> integration section is and early subsection in each IP chapter in the TRM
Apr 11 16:31:10 <mdp> you want to go to the McSPI chapter and look at the section entitled Integration
Apr 11 16:32:17 <Stefan_> I found it
Apr 11 16:32:23 <mdp> it's 24.2 in spruh73g.pdf
Apr 11 16:32:25 <mdp> ok, cool
Apr 11 16:32:28 <mdp> have fun :)
Apr 11 16:32:48 <Stefan_> Ok, I'll have a look at both and see what I understand
Apr 11 16:32:53 <Stefan_> I'll bother you with more questions tomorrow :)
Apr 11 16:33:02 <mdp> np ;)
Apr 11 16:33:06 <Stefan_> Have a great day everyone, I'm off to cool my overloaded head :)
Apr 11 16:33:20 <mdp> I think you'll understand a lot more once you correlate 24.2 up to the big picture in the prcm chapter
Apr 11 16:33:32 <Stefan_> sounds good
Apr 11 16:33:39 <Stefan_> I can route the clock stuff at runtime?
Apr 11 16:33:46 <Stefan_> or do I have to edit the u-boot code?
Apr 11 16:34:02 <mdp> both u-boot and kernel do this stuff today
Apr 11 16:34:10 <mdp> as u-boot enables only what u-boot needs
Apr 11 16:34:18 <mdp> and the kernel enables whatever it needs
Apr 11 16:34:28 <Stefan_> great, that's what I like to hear :)
Apr 11 16:34:45 <Stefan_> so I can do it all from within my kernel module
Apr 11 16:34:55 <Stefan_> thanks again!
Apr 11 16:34:56 <Stefan_> :)
Apr 11 16:35:13 <mdp> yes, in fact there's an entire kernel framework that will already do that for you.
Apr 11 16:35:49 <mdp> as long as you 1) have a proper dts entry for you IP with hwmods specified 2) hwmod/clock data filled out 3) driver written with runtime pm properly
Apr 11 16:39:07 <woglinde> hm dts alone will make his head explode
Apr 11 16:39:26 <Stefan_> woglinde: easy now :)
Apr 11 16:39:40 <Stefan_> I am not afraid of complexity, but of lack of information
Apr 11 16:39:40 <mdp> save some cash for therapy sessions
Apr 11 16:39:51 <Stefan_> I only see small snippets of the whole picture
Apr 11 16:39:52 <ka6sox> mdp, now you tell me
Apr 11 16:39:57 <Stefan_> and as a result have no clue what's going on
Apr 11 16:40:02 <mdp> ka6sox, I can't warn everybody ;)
Apr 11 16:40:10 <mdp> there would be no contributors ;)
Apr 11 16:40:32 <Stefan_> :)))
Apr 11 16:40:38 <ka6sox> Stefan_, I spent a good deal of time getting up to speed on DT..its not for the feint of heart.
Apr 11 16:40:53 <ka6sox> (I don't recommend it if you have a Heart Condition)
Apr 11 16:41:10 <Stefan_> ka6sox: Nope, my heart's still in warranty :p
Apr 11 16:41:33 <Stefan_> see you later guys :)
Apr 11 16:41:47 * mdp wonders if evince search instantiates a 6502 emulator and executes the search on that
Apr 11 16:48:36 <koen> mdp: no, an mk68k emu
Apr 11 16:48:51 <mdp> heh
Apr 11 16:49:19 <mdp> it is agonizingly slow..only thing that makes me hate evince
Apr 11 16:52:05 <ka6sox> mdp, no its a 8085 in A/D mux mode.
Apr 11 16:52:09 <woglinde> mdp do not use 1000 pages documents
Apr 11 16:53:06 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/jdU7hg
Apr 11 16:53:06 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 278c4ae Koen Kooi: 3.8: sync tester DT with bone-common...
Apr 11 16:53:07 <mdp> woglinde, TI has no documents under 2000 pages ;)
Apr 11 16:53:34 * mdp recalls mlocke's term, "Complexity Apocalypse"
Apr 11 16:53:37 <woglinde> mdp than use acroreader
Apr 11 16:53:45 * mdp shivers
Apr 11 16:54:06 <mdp> woglinde, I was waiting for you to say, "patches welcome" :)
Apr 11 16:54:07 <mru> xpdf still works, you know...
Apr 11 16:54:21 <woglinde> mru no segfaults here at printing
Apr 11 16:54:36 <mdp> mru, considering a switch, yes
Apr 11 16:55:02 <mdp> for a while I was making use of the pdf annotation features
Apr 11 16:55:04 <mru> and xpdf has full-page mode
Apr 11 16:55:14 <ka6sox> mendeley?
Apr 11 16:55:28 * mru _hates_ continous scrolling of pages documents
Apr 11 16:55:37 <mru> *paged
Apr 11 16:58:44 <mdp> mru, yeah, I use evince in best fit mode..and have i3 configured to force stacked mode to give me something close to tabs for all the open pdfs
Apr 11 17:00:49 <ds2> 0
Apr 11 17:01:15 <mranostay> 1
Apr 11 17:01:38 <mru> 10
Apr 11 17:02:54 <mdp> 11
Apr 11 17:03:40 <dm8tbr> 26
Apr 11 17:03:43 <woglinde> 42
Apr 11 17:03:48 <mru> 54
Apr 11 17:04:13 <mdp> beaglebored
Apr 11 17:04:31 <mru> bored is the word
Apr 11 17:04:35 <mranostay> 26 + 26 =
Apr 11 17:04:40 <jkridner|work> borad
Apr 11 17:05:03 <jkridner|work> mranostay: did I get it right?
Apr 11 17:05:11 <mru> http://beagleborad.org/
Apr 11 17:05:33 <mranostay> hmmm i wonder who owns that domain
Apr 11 17:05:49 * jkridner|work wonders why he hasn't seen the image on G+
Apr 11 17:05:54 <mru> mranostay: funny you should say that...
Apr 11 17:09:21 <jkridner|work> panto, koen: I have to get on the road and'll be gone several hours---will be back at it tonight.  latest .dts files are pushed.  All should work, but I've only really tested 2.
Apr 11 17:09:31 <jkridner|work> was fighting adding tests to Makefile.
Apr 11 17:09:50 <mranostay> make love not makefiles
Apr 11 17:10:13 <woglinde> haha
Apr 11 17:10:19 <woglinde> that was too much
Apr 11 17:10:22 <mru> what's your beef with makefiles?
Apr 11 17:12:31 <panto> he was assaulted by one when he was young
Apr 11 17:12:51 <ka6sox> makefiles are more gentle than DT ones.
Apr 11 17:14:32 <mranostay> panto: i thought we didn't speak of that day .. :P
Apr 11 17:15:13 <panto> mranostay, it's OK, let it all out...
Apr 11 17:15:33 <panto> it's not like we're going to listen to your torment and laugh behind your back...
Apr 11 17:15:35 <panto> are we?
Apr 11 17:15:46 <mru> of course not
Apr 11 17:15:51 <mru> we'll laugh in his face
Apr 11 17:16:14 <panto> mru, he didn't have to know that
Apr 11 17:16:26 <mdp> are you sure it wasn't an Imakefile that assaulted you and you are just painting all Makefiles from that one bad experience?
Apr 11 17:16:45 <mranostay> "those makefiles"
Apr 11 17:16:49 <mdp> LOL
Apr 11 17:16:50 <mru> imake works fine for its intended purpose
Apr 11 17:16:53 <panto> <jingoist>Imake, make, cmake, they all look the same to me</jingoist>
Apr 11 17:28:37 <ka6sox> panto, +1
Apr 11 17:34:43 <koen> xmkmf!
Apr 11 17:35:29 <mru> works far better than automake _when used as intended_
Apr 11 17:36:39 <koen> I associate xmkmf with monolitic X and getting my cards to work with "latest" drivers
Apr 11 17:37:25 <koen> '97 or so
Apr 11 17:37:54 * koen wonders how phronix would have covered X development back then
Apr 11 17:37:57 <jkroon_> How well is the Beaglebones gpu supported in openembedded ? Can Gtk3 use it for acceleration ?
Apr 11 17:38:24 <koen> jkroon_: gtk3 itself doesn't use a gpu
Apr 11 17:38:28 <koen> clutter does
Apr 11 17:38:32 <koen> now
Apr 11 17:38:45 <koen> your question can be answered with both yes and no
Apr 11 17:38:53 <koen> yes, it's supported and you can use it
Apr 11 17:39:00 <koen> and no, it doesn't work anymore with the latest kernel
Apr 11 17:39:30 <koen> so if you want GLES support, you're stuck with the evil 3.2.ti kernel
Apr 11 17:39:35 <panto> koen, are there any plans to get the sources of the driver so that it can be compiled at least as a binary package?
Apr 11 17:39:49 <koen> panto: you mean libs, and yes
Apr 11 17:39:54 <koen> need to get that going again
Apr 11 17:40:01 <panto> we should
Apr 11 17:40:16 <panto> we all know about the sorry state of 3d
Apr 11 17:40:17 <koen> I need jkridner for that
Apr 11 17:40:19 <jkroon_> koen, i was thinking, gtk3 uses X, X would have xrender hardware acceleration drivers for the gpu
Apr 11 17:40:33 <koen> the people involved don't know how to do the actual request, kridner does know
Apr 11 17:40:44 <koen> jkroon_: heh, no X acceleration
Apr 11 17:40:50 <koen> only GLES
Apr 11 17:41:12 <koen> and no DRM/DRI, so multiple clients, forget it
Apr 11 17:41:45 <mdp> now tell us the good news!
Apr 11 17:42:26 <jkroon_> yes.. please.. some good news :-)
Apr 11 17:42:34 <panto> we're still alive!
Apr 11 17:42:38 <panto> (but not for long)
Apr 11 17:44:30 <jkroon_> koen, do you know of any other development board that has a gpu that can do X acceleration ?
Apr 11 17:45:01 <koen> yeah
Apr 11 17:45:03 <koen> the minnow
Apr 11 17:45:13 <koen> no arm boards have X accell the way you want it
Apr 11 17:45:22 <koen> it's all at the GLES layer
Apr 11 17:45:38 <jkroon_> ok.. maybe i need to switch to GLES ..
Apr 11 17:45:50 <jkroon_> clutter can embed gtk widgets..
Apr 11 17:46:57 <jkroon_> koen, so the kernel module for the gpu on beaglebone is open sourced, but the opengl(es) library is closed ?
Apr 11 17:48:12 <mdp> jkroon_, sunxi has active development in this area with https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-sunxifb you might want to check that out
Apr 11 17:48:28 <mdp> they are mali 400 based on the gpu side so they have some hope of success.
Apr 11 17:48:30 <mranostay> mru: so the VFP stuff is staying?
Apr 11 17:48:37 <mru> GUIs are overrated
Apr 11 17:48:48 <koen> jkroon_: correct
Apr 11 17:48:50 <mru> mranostay: no idea and it's not my call
Apr 11 17:49:03 <koen> who's using nwfpe nowadays?
Apr 11 17:49:05 <mru> I wouldn't mind killing it
Apr 11 17:49:07 <koen> iirc I have it disabled
Apr 11 17:49:12 <mru> koen: rmk
Apr 11 17:49:40 <koen> mru: *sigh*
Apr 11 17:49:54 <koen> I think we both have the same opinion on RMK
Apr 11 17:50:15 <mru> most people do
Apr 11 17:51:50 * koen goes back to sulking over the project without magic smoke
Apr 11 17:53:31 <jkroon_> koen, you mean 3.2.ti is evil, or just old ?
Apr 11 17:53:54 <jkroon_> i mean isnt the 3.2.x supposed to be a long-term-stable kernel release ?
Apr 11 17:54:16 <mru> 2.6.32 ftw
Apr 11 17:54:17 <jkroon_> maybe even the "latest" long-term-stable kernel release ?
Apr 11 17:54:26 <mdp> amen...2.6.32 is *it*
Apr 11 17:55:33 <jkroon_> so hows the gpu support for the 2.6.32 kernel ?
Apr 11 17:55:54 <mranostay> what year is this?
Apr 11 17:56:20 <mranostay> isn't that kernel like 4 years old?
Apr 11 17:57:23 <mdp> it's a collector item now
Apr 11 17:59:36 <koen> jkroon_: both
Apr 11 18:03:08 <jkroon_> koen, haha ok.. i dont like the sound of that..
Apr 11 18:03:53 <jkroon_> and im supposed to demo a fancy gtk3 app on an armboard in 2 months..
Apr 11 18:05:55 <panto> a gif slideshow would work... :)
Apr 11 18:06:45 <jkroon_>  hehe
Apr 11 18:09:07 <ka6sox> panto, animated gifs
Apr 11 18:09:58 <bradfa> mranostay, which beagle usb analyzer do you have?
Apr 11 18:10:05 <panto> there's no difference really between a really advanced technology and a completely rigged demo
Apr 11 18:13:48 <koen> jkroon_: it's not that bad, pixman has a lot of NEON optimizations and is for a lot of cases fillrate limited
Apr 11 18:14:26 <jkroon_> koen, yeah.. thats what I read aswell, so I wasnt too worried about not utilizing the gpu yet...
Apr 11 18:29:58 <mranostay> bradfa: panto has it
Apr 11 18:30:28 <bradfa> mranostay, ok, is it the 12 or the 480?
Apr 11 18:30:34 <bradfa> have you used it at all?
Apr 11 18:30:39 <mranostay> 480
Apr 11 18:30:43 <bradfa> damn
Apr 11 18:30:45 <bradfa> nice
Apr 11 18:30:45 * mranostay points to panto 
Apr 11 18:34:03 <KotH> talking about the other beagle again, are we?
Apr 11 18:41:24 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/UCOiyg
Apr 11 18:41:24 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 9e4a656 Koen Kooi: 3.8: more tester fixes...
Apr 11 18:42:01 <bradfa> KotH, yes :)
Apr 11 18:42:35 <bradfa> I want to learn some USB, would be helpful to have an analyzer, but for $1400 it's a bit cost prohibitive (unless it's really good and I can get work to buy it)
Apr 11 18:42:54 <KotH> bradfa: as long as it isnd poodle ;)
Apr 11 18:42:59 <KotH> isn't*
Apr 11 18:43:19 <bradfa> SpanielBoard!
Apr 11 18:43:34 <KotH> well.. depends on what you want to do with it
Apr 11 18:44:04 <bradfa> If I knew what I wanted to do I would surprise myself :)
Apr 11 18:44:08 <KotH> what i like about the 480 are its 4 digital I/Os, which can be used to measure the timing of things
Apr 11 18:44:41 <KotH> if you are writing an usb stack and have to debug some weird race condition, these pins are worth every rappen you have paid for it
Apr 11 18:45:43 <bradfa> I'm more interested in making USB devices rather than writing host stacks
Apr 11 18:46:40 <KotH> for fun or for money?
Apr 11 18:46:43 <bradfa> both
Apr 11 18:46:47 <bradfa> fun at first
Apr 11 18:46:49 <KotH> then get the 480
Apr 11 18:47:00 <KotH> the moment you turn serious, you will need it :)
Apr 11 18:47:00 * bradfa adds 480 to wishlist
Apr 11 18:47:14 <bradfa> thanks!
Apr 11 18:47:29 * bradfa needs to find a few $K for beagle and bdi...
Apr 11 18:47:29 <mranostay> bradfa: put a "phone with real camera" on there
Apr 11 18:47:36 <bradfa> mranostay, quiet you!
Apr 11 18:47:40 <mranostay> bradfa: BDI ebay :)
Apr 11 18:47:50 <bradfa> 2000 still a good choice?
Apr 11 18:47:59 <mranostay> it is what i have
Apr 11 18:48:02 <KotH> bradfa: ask dm8tbr about phones, he gets them really cheap ;)
Apr 11 18:48:05 <mranostay> unless you need 100mbit
Apr 11 18:48:13 <bradfa> 100mbit what?
Apr 11 18:48:17 <KotH> bradfa: what for a bdi?
Apr 11 18:48:17 <bradfa> ethernet?
Apr 11 18:48:31 <mranostay> bradfa: yeah
Apr 11 18:48:38 <bradfa> why would I /need/ 100 mbit?
Apr 11 18:48:38 <mranostay> 10mbit is painful at times
Apr 11 18:49:04 <KotH> high speed debugging?
Apr 11 18:49:13 <mranostay> mdp: well remember xyz customer who's board didn't have a NIC so we had to load the entire rootfs over a BDI? :)
Apr 11 18:49:20 <mranostay> ^ that is why
Apr 11 18:49:32 <KotH> ZOMG!
Apr 11 18:49:43 <panto> yeah, it's more common than you think
Apr 11 18:49:57 <panto> busted storage
Apr 11 18:50:07 <bradfa> ah, ok, that makes sense
Apr 11 18:50:22 <KotH> i always plan to have at least one "high speed" interface on there.. and be it just an sd card slot
Apr 11 18:50:26 <mranostay> bradfa: think RAM and no working NAND module at that point
Apr 11 18:50:35 <bradfa> got it
Apr 11 18:50:45 <mranostay> i still have nightmares about that project
Apr 11 18:50:54 <mranostay> and that was probably 5 years ago :)
Apr 11 18:50:56 <dm8tbr> KotH: not really, nokia didn't send me a free phone in a while now ;)
Apr 11 18:51:02 <KotH> mranostay: if the nand was dead, why not just solder a new one in?
Apr 11 18:51:23 <KotH> dm8tbr: hmm... you must be doing something wrong then ;)
Apr 11 18:51:40 <dm8tbr> why would I want a windoze phone?
Apr 11 18:51:51 * bradfa 's wishlist now has bdi, beagle 480, and a phone on it...
Apr 11 18:51:52 <KotH> you seem to collect odd phones...
Apr 11 18:52:10 <KotH> bradfa: it'll be a while until xmas
Apr 11 18:52:14 <dm8tbr> I'd prefer a sailfish phone :)
Apr 11 18:52:21 <KotH> bradfa: maybe you should turn muslim, then you'd get it in summer
Apr 11 18:52:45 <bradfa> KotH, birthday in June :)
Apr 11 18:52:51 <bradfa> turning the big 3-oh
Apr 11 18:53:01 <bradfa> phone or bdi might be reasonable gifts
Apr 11 18:53:05 <KotH> youngsters...
Apr 11 18:53:08 <bradfa> :)
Apr 11 18:53:23 <KotH> dm8tbr: with a tizen sticker on it?
Apr 11 18:53:39 <dm8tbr> and a yoctopus
Apr 11 18:54:54 * mranostay may have to cut out all the tizen jokes
Apr 11 18:54:54 <dm8tbr> which reminds me that I do have a Tizen 'lunchbox'
Apr 11 18:54:55 <KotH> .o0(spectrometer with 0.1pm resolution.. for visible light...)
Apr 11 18:55:07 <mranostay> KotH: thoughtbubble?
Apr 11 18:55:23 <dm8tbr> mranostay: going to work on that?
Apr 11 18:55:28 <KotH> .o0(these youngsters these days.. don't know their comics anymore)
Apr 11 18:55:54 <dm8tbr> mranostay: north korea or portland?
Apr 11 18:56:22 <mranostay> why is NK doing Tizen? :)
Apr 11 18:56:50 <dm8tbr> because .... wait for it ...
Apr 11 18:56:54 <dm8tbr> it's da bomb!
Apr 11 18:57:15 <mranostay> boo
Apr 11 18:57:22 <dm8tbr> m
Apr 11 18:57:34 * mranostay stabs dm8tbr with a sharped Tizen phone
Apr 11 18:57:40 <dm8tbr> that said I think big S is hiring all over the world
Apr 11 18:57:57 <dm8tbr> how do you sharpen that thing? it's huge and bulky
Apr 11 18:58:01 <KotH> siemens?
Apr 11 18:58:02 <KotH> ;)
Apr 11 18:58:10 <dm8tbr> I said big
Apr 11 18:58:12 <dm8tbr> not puny
Apr 11 18:58:17 <KotH> hehe
Apr 11 18:59:11 * mranostay beats dm8tbr over the head with Tizen phone
Apr 11 19:00:24 * bradfa wants to stab all the engineers at TI who make CCSv5
Apr 11 19:00:51 <woglinde> haha
Apr 11 19:00:59 <woglinde> which eclipse it is based on?
Apr 11 19:01:25 <KotH> bradfa: i suggest to be standing behind mru for this... or you might be caught in his shotgun fire :)
Apr 11 19:02:37 <bradfa> woglinde, honestly I have no idea
Apr 11 19:02:47 <bradfa> KotH, note taken
Apr 11 19:03:00 <bradfa> a few years back I used netbeans, it wasn't horrible
Apr 11 19:03:25 * mranostay gets Vim Forever tattooed on his chest
Apr 11 19:03:25 <bradfa> ccsv5 just keeps crashing when I'm debugging and I have memory browser open and I attempt to recompile and restart debugging
Apr 11 19:03:41 * bradfa wants sane debug tools!
Apr 11 19:05:00 * mru wants _anything_ sane
Apr 11 19:05:03 <mru> anything at all
Apr 11 19:05:42 <jkroon_> isnt plain old gdb good ?
Apr 11 19:05:46 <KotH> i'm sane... mostly
Apr 11 19:07:06 <mdp> mranostay, jtag solves more problems than DT
Apr 11 19:07:42 <KotH> mdp: with DT you wouldnt have any problems in the first place ;)
Apr 11 19:08:04 <panto> right...
Apr 11 19:08:18 * panto asks for some of what the channel is smoking 
Apr 11 19:08:25 <jkroon_> haha
Apr 11 19:09:12 <mdp> KotH, I stand corrected :(
Apr 11 19:09:15 <jkroon_> really funny irc channel. i can skip downloading the robot chicken episodes now
Apr 11 19:09:25 <KotH> mdp: hehe :)
Apr 11 19:09:53 <KotH> panto: i dont smoke... but you know about my chocolate habits ;)
Apr 11 19:10:15 <panto> people say that sugar is about the same as alcohol
Apr 11 19:10:27 <KotH> o_0
Apr 11 19:10:46 <panto> http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/sugar-problem/refined-sugar-the-sweetest-poison-of-all
Apr 11 19:10:53 <panto> oh yeah
Apr 11 19:11:10 <panto> actually, people say that refined sugar should be categorized as poison
Apr 11 19:11:13 <KotH> i know that sugar can have strange physical effects on the body... but until you reach that level of dose... you'll be pretty near at the comatose dose
Apr 11 19:11:18 <panto> enjoy your chocolate bar
Apr 11 19:11:28 <mranostay> jkroon_: this isn't even that wacky
Apr 11 19:11:48 <jkroon_> mranostay, nah. true. robot chicken is in a class of its own
Apr 11 19:12:18 <mranostay> that is still on?
Apr 11 19:12:48 <KotH> panto: er.. have you read that page?
Apr 11 19:13:00 <panto> no, that was the first hit on google
Apr 11 19:13:07 <KotH> jkroon_: it isn't friday yet
Apr 11 19:13:16 <panto> there was a nice lecture by a guy
Apr 11 19:13:18 <panto> let me find it
Apr 11 19:13:22 <KotH> ok...  our resident kiwi is already in friday land
Apr 11 19:13:31 <KotH> panto: read it
Apr 11 19:13:46 <jkroon_> mranostay, not sure if season 6 is still putting out new episodes, but i think were getting little offtopic here. ive learned to respect internet rules :-)
Apr 11 19:13:53 <panto> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
Apr 11 19:14:09 <KotH> panto: i havent seen more ... uhm... lies... to stay friendly... in long time..
Apr 11 19:14:17 <KotH> panto: and i just read the first 3 paragraphes
Apr 11 19:14:45 <panto> I don't care about that article, it's the video that's nice
Apr 11 19:15:16 <KotH> hmm.. lustig... that name rings a bell
Apr 11 19:15:30 <dm8tbr> peter lustig?
Apr 11 19:15:44 <KotH> robert, Dr. md
Apr 11 19:16:14 <mranostay> on topic? what is this "on topic" people speak of?
Apr 11 19:16:19 <KotH> at least, as an endocrinolog, he should know what he is talking about
Apr 11 19:16:34 <KotH> mranostay: weapons, jihad, chocolate ;)
Apr 11 19:16:54 <mranostay> chocolate bullets!
Apr 11 19:19:02 <mranostay> speak of the kiwi
Apr 11 19:19:24 <Crofton|work> funny how kiwi is a mispelling of wiki
Apr 11 19:19:52 <KotH> so, you mean our resident wiki has returned?
Apr 11 19:21:26 <jkroon_> jihad ? why is that topic ?
Apr 11 19:22:03 <KotH> you havent been around for long, have you?
Apr 11 19:23:03 <mranostay> yeah we even let the Swiss Turks in here :P
Apr 11 19:23:37 <mrpackethead> the Swisss.
Apr 11 19:23:44 <mrpackethead> why do we do that
Apr 11 19:23:47 <mrpackethead> :-(
Apr 11 19:24:06 <jkroon_> swiss turks, so it has gone to that
Apr 11 19:24:18 <mrpackethead> better than trolls
Apr 11 19:24:19 * panto raises a lazy greek hand too 
Apr 11 19:24:23 <panto> too lazy...
Apr 11 19:24:38 <KotH> heh
Apr 11 19:24:41 <mrpackethead> is a swiss turk just a troll though, by another name?
Apr 11 19:24:58 <mranostay> panto: start talking it will just flow
Apr 11 19:25:51 <mdp> panto, Dear Lazygeek...
Apr 11 19:26:24 <mrpackethead> our GoSC project got accepted
Apr 11 19:26:34 <mrpackethead> now, the scary part of inteviewing and finding a studen.
Apr 11 19:27:44 * KotH blames panto for wasting his time
Apr 11 19:28:00 <KotH> there, i was reading a nice paper... and now i'm watching a vid on obesity
Apr 11 19:28:12 <panto> don't hate me for following your base instincts
Apr 11 19:28:16 <panto> you know you wanted to do that
Apr 11 19:30:27 <KotH> you're greek, i hate you on principle
Apr 11 19:36:13 <mranostay> i hate you all for varying reasons
Apr 11 19:36:22 <mrpackethead> i love you all
Apr 11 19:36:24 <mrpackethead> :-)
Apr 11 19:36:27 <mranostay> one for his love of javascript
Apr 11 19:36:33 <mrpackethead> i'm a happy go lucky hobbit
Apr 11 19:37:32 <woglinde> v8 them all
Apr 11 19:38:12 <woglinde> hm should I am trying now the linux mainline 3.2 for qemu
Apr 11 19:38:40 <Jacmet> gaah, did TI really try to fix the ti816x uart boot for rev 2.x and still managed to do it wrongly? :/
Apr 11 19:40:24 <woglinde> ask TI
Apr 11 19:40:51 <Jacmet> woglinde: just did through mail
Apr 11 19:41:05 <woglinde> and?
Apr 11 19:41:18 <Jacmet> woglinde: well, no reply yet
Apr 11 19:41:24 <woglinde> ;)
Apr 11 20:10:11 <KotH> panto: lustig is a car salesman
Apr 11 20:22:37 * bradfa hates ti.com
Apr 11 20:22:44 <bradfa> mdp, did they fix the website yet?
Apr 11 20:22:53 <bradfa> I keep getting errors
Apr 11 20:29:29 <KotH> panto: interesting, my biology teacher in secondary school (around age 14) told us that glucose and fructose behave the same in the body
Apr 11 20:29:34 <KotH> panto: thanks for the vid
Apr 11 20:30:00 <panto> np
Apr 11 20:43:31 <woglinde> hm jackmitchell was right qemu-native now fails in oe master
Apr 11 20:43:32 <woglinde> hm hm
Apr 11 20:43:47 <woglinde> but I updated the kernel headers
Apr 11 20:52:05 <HeadAche> So whats new at TI?
Apr 11 20:52:26 <KotH> not much..
Apr 11 20:52:54 <KotH> still the same discussions about guns, us<->european politics and exact steps
Apr 11 20:53:23 <HeadAche> Need to push the envelope, make new technology that rivals google glass, and lasers or something
Apr 11 20:53:45 <KotH> visors and phasers?
Apr 11 21:25:51 <mranostay> emeb_mac: FPGA!
Apr 11 21:26:14 <emeb_mac> you crack me up.
Apr 11 21:35:03 <jkroon_> woglinde, got qemu to compile in oe yet ?
Apr 11 21:35:26 <woglinde> jkroon I did not looked up whats the real problem now with ubuntu 12.10
Apr 11 21:35:37 <jkroon_> woglinde, im wondering if I have to clean out some cache, and rerun configure or something..
Apr 11 21:35:49 <woglinde> do not think so
Apr 11 21:38:29 <jkroon_> ok
Apr 11 21:38:40 <mranostay> emeb_mac: i try
Apr 11 22:12:29 <woglinde> jkroon hm hm
Apr 11 22:13:33 <woglinde> ftd.h includes libftd_env.h where fdt64_t is typedefed
Apr 12 00:02:29 <punits> hi
Apr 12 00:03:01 * mranostay hides
Apr 12 00:07:01 <ds2> prpplague: wow... seems to have creeped up a bit compared to what the booth guy said
Apr 12 00:45:04 <mranostay> prpplague: got rum?
Apr 12 00:46:23 <prpplague> mranostay: cheap beer
Apr 12 00:46:40 * prpplague has to pay for 40 Bacons capes for jkridner's fun
Apr 12 00:46:53 <mranostay> prpplague: bill TI
Apr 12 00:47:08 <prpplague> mranostay: YA RIGHT! i'll get right on that
Apr 12 00:47:27 <prpplague> mranostay: they still owe me over $20k from the google demo tablets i created
Apr 12 00:47:57 <mranostay> prpplague: charge them for you hair loss
Apr 12 00:47:59 <ds2> so your accounts are "a Blaze"? :D
Apr 12 00:48:02 <mranostay> *your
Apr 12 00:48:25 <prpplague> ds2: good pun! even though my tablets were much better than "a Blaze"
Apr 12 00:48:33 <ds2> :D
Apr 12 00:48:42 <mranostay> prpplague: just put a invoice on the silkscreen of the Bacon CApe
Apr 12 00:48:51 <ds2> that is easy to do ;)
Apr 12 00:48:58 * prpplague wonders how he keeps volunteering himself for jkridner training sessions
Apr 12 00:49:12 <prpplague> ds2: again dead on
Apr 12 00:51:32 <prpplague> at least beacon lives again for the minnowboard, hehe
Apr 12 00:59:31 <mranostay> prpplague: i demand  free samples! :P
Apr 12 01:00:58 <prpplague> mranostay: granted
Apr 12 01:03:32 <ds2> isn't the stage set for a x86 slave cape?
Apr 12 01:10:44 <Russ> nah, the pc is dead
Apr 12 01:16:10 <Zinfrared> an x86 cape would require it's own power, probably
Apr 12 01:16:18 <Zinfrared> and isn't the point to not use x86?
Apr 12 01:16:30 <mranostay> heresy!
Apr 12 01:16:39 <thurbad> trolls. I say
Apr 12 01:17:12 <mranostay> off with Zinfrared's head I say!
Apr 12 01:17:47 <Zinfrared> i suppose you could use an x86 cape for the FP
Apr 12 01:18:41 <mranostay> 486sx cape? :P
Apr 12 01:24:12 <ds2> cloverdale!
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