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Apr 13 03:12:56 <ka6sox> approve what?
Apr 13 03:13:19 <ka6sox> my emails?
Apr 13 03:15:21 <ka6sox> ds2, what *are* you talking about.
Apr 13 03:17:52 <jkridner|work> koen: when you wake, I found why Gate One fails all the time.  Maybe you already know, but it is because of the date setting.
Apr 13 05:41:38 <jkridner|work> koen: built squeak natively (required cmake) and am working on building it under OE.
Apr 13 05:42:04 <jkridner|work> Scratch runs, but it is another app that kills metacity.
Apr 13 05:42:20 <jkridner|work> (really need to find out why these apps are killing metacity) :(
Apr 13 05:42:48 <jkridner|work> a couple of exceptions came up, but I couldn't read them because the terminal window was in the way (w/o a window manager to move it)
Apr 13 05:45:17 <jkridner|work> SoundRecorder produced an error
Apr 13 05:52:58 <Shadyman> jkridner|work: It farted?
Apr 13 06:03:20 <johnsmith1> dm8tbr: are the sdcard mux boards available for purchase anywhere?
Apr 13 06:04:06 <dm8tbr> johnsmith1: I'd try contacting dave either here on IRC or by email
Apr 13 06:04:23 <dm8tbr> he's not here right now though. look for prplplague
Apr 13 06:04:29 <johnsmith1> dm8tbr: ok thanks
Apr 13 06:05:18 <dm8tbr> actually it's prpplague
Apr 13 06:05:30 <johnsmith1> right
Apr 13 06:05:35 <johnsmith1> dm8tbr: do you own one though ? :)
Apr 13 06:05:44 <johnsmith1> i have only seen pictures on g+
Apr 13 06:06:29 <_av500_> ahoi
Apr 13 06:06:41 <mrpackethead> ioha
Apr 13 06:07:08 <keesj> it's not no the tct site either (tin can tools)
Apr 13 06:07:38 <dm8tbr> johnsmith1: not personally, but I've read the schematics and coleagues were supposed to pick one up from him during ELC. Haven't heard about that one though.
Apr 13 06:08:26 <dm8tbr> consensus is that it's a good board and works well. it was designed for automated testing, so has to be reliable
Apr 13 06:08:54 <_av500_> but again, tftpboot works probabyl as well
Apr 13 06:09:05 <johnsmith1> dm8tbr: trick is is also to safely unmount
Apr 13 06:09:07 <mrpackethead> are you talkinga bout black friday
Apr 13 06:09:20 <johnsmith1> and does it switch on target reset or target power cycle?
Apr 13 06:09:22 <dm8tbr> johnsmith1: which is just an exercise in programming
Apr 13 06:09:35 <johnsmith1> dm8tbr: true
Apr 13 06:09:55 <dm8tbr> IIRC it switches on supply voltage from target
Apr 13 06:10:17 * dm8tbr goes to look for the schematic
Apr 13 06:11:09 <johnsmith1> dm8tbr: no problem, /me is just about off to sleep. thanks for the info...
Apr 13 06:11:15 <johnsmith1> night
Apr 13 06:12:35 <dm8tbr> johnsmith1: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1FV_VIiqk4edlJ3czdqOHlHcUk/edit?usp=sharing
Apr 13 06:19:28 <Guest99751> Hi, I am extremely interested in the Project "Android-based boot host". Could you please provide some resources to get a deeper insight into the project? Thanks!
Apr 13 06:22:28 * _av500_ realizes he did not edit the wiki
Apr 13 06:22:29 <ka6sox> whoops
Apr 13 06:23:23 <_av500_> oh well
Apr 13 06:31:17 <_av500_> jkridner: there, edited
Apr 13 06:35:27 * dm8tbr loves the combination of extremely interested but can't be bothered to stick around longer than 2min
Apr 13 06:36:15 <ka6sox> dm8tbr, I hope that was a web timeout
Apr 13 06:39:14 <_av500_> most likely
Apr 13 06:39:25 <_av500_> qualification task should be to get a n irc client installed
Apr 13 06:39:58 * mranostay dances in
Apr 13 06:40:23 <mranostay> tizen all things!
Apr 13 06:40:33 <ka6sox> _av500_, a real one?
Apr 13 06:44:42 <mrpackethead> mranostay: settle.
Apr 13 06:45:09 <mrpackethead> yes, Guest99991712 gives its away
Apr 13 06:45:39 <koen> jkridner: still awake?
Apr 13 06:45:56 <mrpackethead> is anyone actually awake
Apr 13 06:46:08 <mranostay> buzzed so no
Apr 13 06:46:21 <mrpackethead> 2006 Church Road Syrah.
Apr 13 06:46:29 <mrpackethead> its particullary, good
Apr 13 08:10:32 <aleek> hi! I want to enable DSP on my bb-xm. Some sources point enabling extra memory (i.e. mem=99M@0x80000000  in bootargs in u-boot) and some not. Which one is correct?
Apr 13 08:16:07 <dm8tbr> what do you plan to do with the 'DSP'?
Apr 13 08:16:51 <aleek> I plan to make an awesome videophone that uses DSP to produce x264 image from my webcam with gstreamer
Apr 13 08:18:18 <aleek> but, till now I have more failures that succeses ;)
Apr 13 08:18:23 <aleek> s/that/than
Apr 13 08:18:50 <dm8tbr> ah, so you want to use the specialized cores with an video encoder
Apr 13 08:19:11 <aleek> yes
Apr 13 08:19:59 <dm8tbr> are there encoder binaries for OMAP3?
Apr 13 08:20:05 <aleek> and I want to decode the incoming RTP-h264 stream from the other phone user
Apr 13 08:20:59 <aleek> dm8tbr: it seems that there are no h264 enc binaries (only dec), but I saw people on the Internet doing this, so maybe I need to pay for the encoder
Apr 13 08:21:14 <aleek> but yes, there are, I have mine in /lib/dsp
Apr 13 08:21:48 * dm8tbr hasn't looked in a while
Apr 13 08:23:12 <dm8tbr> well whatever you have, you will need to use the exactly matching combination of kernel modules and software they are intended for
Apr 13 08:24:02 <aleek> dm8tbr: btw you must assume, Im not using angstrorm if this makes a diffreence for you
Apr 13 08:24:29 <aleek> Im using kernel from https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel and buildroot userland
Apr 13 08:24:59 <aleek> ok, so I need to fit DSP binaries to matching kernel version, ok
Apr 13 08:25:01 <dm8tbr> I _must_ nothing, I _may_ something
Apr 13 08:26:34 <dm8tbr> my previous statement stands. kernel module and software (e.g. gstreamer) needs to match whatever encoder/decoder binaries you have there
Apr 13 08:59:46 <Russ> koen, why would you ever name an image 'really-the-last-one'?
Apr 13 09:05:58 <koen> because I was halfway my celebratory rum&coke
Apr 13 09:06:21 <koen> which explains why I copied MLO over u-boot.img
Apr 13 09:06:47 <koen> so the timings are problably working for 400MHz
Apr 13 09:07:17 * koen suddenly remembers something
Apr 13 09:07:38 <koen> Russ: I was asked to ask you to look into PMIC and powerbutton events for 3.8+
Apr 13 09:07:49 <koen> apparently you boss was asked to allow you to work on it
Apr 13 09:07:57 <koen> so many layers of indirection
Apr 13 09:49:38 <jkroon> koen, so, beagleboard 3.8 kernel is working ok now ?
Apr 13 09:49:58 <jkroon> koen, I saw that you enabled it, disabled it, then in latest its re-enabled again ?
Apr 13 10:34:59 <_av500_> aleek: yes, you neeed the mem= stuff
Apr 13 10:35:44 <aleek> _av500_: do you know why dsp-test works without it?:D
Apr 13 10:36:02 <_av500_> it should not
Apr 13 10:36:11 <_av500_> do you see cmem in lsmod?
Apr 13 10:36:26 <_av500_> unless TI fixed CMEM to grab kernel mem at boot
Apr 13 10:37:09 <aleek> no cmem in lsmod
Apr 13 10:38:03 <_av500_> ah
Apr 13 10:38:05 <_av500_> stupid me
Apr 13 10:38:12 <_av500_> you are doing dspbridge
Apr 13 10:38:15 <_av500_> not dsplink
Apr 13 10:38:21 <_av500_> yes, that does not need cmem
Apr 13 10:38:52 <_av500_> felipe's stuff
Apr 13 10:39:30 <aleek> Im using gst-dsp. dspdummy works, but no other plugin. I need to spend more time with this
Apr 13 10:39:43 <_av500_> right
Apr 13 10:39:50 <_av500_> gst-dsp uses dspbridge
Apr 13 10:41:39 <aleek> yes. Loading modules (mailbox,  mailboxmach and tidspbridge with baseimage works well - no errors) but using any gst-dsp element ends with dsp node create failed
Apr 13 10:41:46 <_av500_> ah
Apr 13 10:42:02 <aleek> gst-dsp have proper SN_API regarding to README
Apr 13 10:42:26 <aleek> (L23.i3.8: SN_API=2)
Apr 13 10:42:33 <_av500_> I think I forgot already everything I knew about dspbridge :)
Apr 13 10:45:36 * dm8tbr successfully ignored that :)
Apr 13 10:45:41 <_av500_> koen: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-24UN5YkFNgw/UWfjjsLptBI/AAAAAAAAHvE/hYH08CxXUBw/w497-h373/383016_624165600944436_2076874257_n.png
Apr 13 10:47:01 <jkroon_> woohoo sweden #2! SWEDEN! SWEDEN! SWEDEN!
Apr 13 10:47:53 <jkroon_> gimme an 'S'! gimme a 'W'! etc
Apr 13 11:05:09 <Guest71144> Hi there. I have a Beaglebone Rev-A6 board. I need the exact version of the u-boot source that came along with the SD card. Can anyone help me ?
Apr 13 11:10:37 <koen> jkroon_: I'm not sure, I though video was broken in the non-DT case, but then I noticed the label on my board "no video", so I need to retest with a known working board
Apr 13 11:11:24 <jkroon_> koen, ok
Apr 13 14:31:54 <woglinde> action
Apr 13 14:32:19 * alan_o claps board
Apr 13 14:49:43 * koen turns on lights
Apr 13 14:55:35 <mru> *CUT*
Apr 13 14:57:08 <jkridner|work> gm koen
Apr 13 14:59:04 <jkridner|work> any thoughts on this 400MHz thing?
Apr 13 14:59:23 * jkridner|work downloads latest 400MHz image.
Apr 13 14:59:44 <mru> is that what the clock rate of the xm is down to now?
Apr 13 15:00:26 <mru> after 1000, 800, 600, I guess 400 is the logical next step
Apr 13 15:00:48 <jkridner|work> I thought Nishanth sent out ABB patches to get it back to 1GHz.
Apr 13 15:00:59 <mru> did they get merged?
Apr 13 15:04:22 <jkridner|work> looks like it needs a bit more feedback addressed: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg87623.html
Apr 13 15:04:41 <mru> when I tried those patches, they did precisely nothing
Apr 13 15:04:53 <mru> or the kernel panicked, I forget which
Apr 13 15:06:37 <woglinde> picknick
Apr 13 15:11:21 <jkridner|work> koen: is there any chance you picked up my work-around for GateOne not coming up when you boot over USB?
Apr 13 15:11:33 <jkridner|work> I know I screwed up the patch pulling from the wrong tree. :(
Apr 13 15:18:53 * _av500_ wonders what GateOne is
Apr 13 15:19:00 <_av500_> is that the next thing after node.js?
Apr 13 15:20:36 <woglinde> yes
Apr 13 15:20:40 <woglinde> no
Apr 13 15:20:47 <_av500_> file not found
Apr 13 15:20:47 <woglinde> app based on node.js
Apr 13 15:20:57 <_av500_> of course
Apr 13 15:21:06 <woglinde> its many ssh in your browser frame
Apr 13 15:21:21 <_av500_> OMG, it is full of ssh?
Apr 13 15:21:29 <_av500_> or shh all the way down?
Apr 13 15:21:36 <_av500_> or did they put ssh into ssh?
Apr 13 15:21:44 <woglinde> you can open serval ssh session
Apr 13 15:21:59 <woglinde> and see all in one browser window
Apr 13 15:23:22 <_av500_> ...It requires no browser plugins and is built on top of a powerful plugin system...
Apr 13 15:23:42 <_av500_> you dont need plugins for your plugins
Apr 13 15:24:35 <woglinde> yes no plugins for node.js
Apr 13 15:24:57 <woglinde> INSTALL it
Apr 13 15:29:14 <koen> _av500_: actually gateone is python, not nodejs based
Apr 13 15:29:23 <koen> but still a shit ton of js client side
Apr 13 15:30:05 <woglinde> koen okay thanks for clarification
Apr 13 15:30:17 <_av500_> it has tetris
Apr 13 15:32:18 <koen> jkridner|work: I'm fairly sure teh 400MHz problem is PEBKAC on my side
Apr 13 15:32:31 <koen> jkridner|work: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/Pfeii7sUvLh
Apr 13 15:32:59 <koen> jkridner|work: I now have a script to handle all that with error detection and reporting
Apr 13 15:33:00 * jkridner|work breathes a sigh
Apr 13 15:33:33 <koen> jkridner|work: I did drag in bonescript and bone101 updates this morning
Apr 13 15:33:34 <jkridner|work> waiting on my card to program right now.  thanks for fixing up the URIs. :(
Apr 13 15:34:22 <jkridner|work> yeah, it isn't great, but it avoids massively broken links now and there is a button to press to make GateOne "just work".
Apr 13 15:34:23 <woglinde> haha nice
Apr 13 15:34:49 <koen> woglinde: the problem is with certificates and clock being set to 2000 every boot
Apr 13 15:35:05 <jkridner|work> I'm going to kick off a clean build now to capture sources....
Apr 13 15:35:14 <koen> jkridner|work: rtc driver is still broken, it doesn't actually write to the RTC, so you loose time even when doing warm boots
Apr 13 15:35:15 <woglinde> no I meant copy u-boot as MLO
Apr 13 15:35:18 <jkridner|work> is oebb able to pick up all the sources?
Apr 13 15:35:39 <woglinde> hm so qemu-native build fixed
Apr 13 15:36:27 <jkridner|work> I was hoping to still pick up Scratch, but I think the couple of minor issues are too much to overcome.  Cleaning up the default browser and providing a link to the 101 also would have been *huge* for the user experience.
Apr 13 15:36:30 <koen> jkridner|work: I reorganized the source mirrors, but I haven't updated the URLs yet
Apr 13 15:36:52 <koen> jkridner|work: for chrome we'd need to include some MIME registry things
Apr 13 15:36:54 * jkridner|work wants to avoid GPL nightmares. :)
Apr 13 15:37:04 <koen> chrome doesn't even have a .desktop by default
Apr 13 15:37:26 <jkridner|work> btw, I think the logo looks nice.
Apr 13 15:39:09 <koen> my apologies for the heavy jpeg compression
Apr 13 15:39:20 <jkridner|work> squeak builds pretty easily.
Apr 13 15:39:21 <koen> I mis clicked in gimp during an intermediate step
Apr 13 15:40:51 <koen> jkridner|work: it was serendipity
Apr 13 15:41:14 <koen> jkridner|work: I was debugging the wallpaper config crash gerald reported and it pointed me to the config file for it
Apr 13 15:43:27 <koen> jkridner|work: what I'd like to do on monday is packaging stache
Apr 13 15:43:44 <koen> jkridner|work: but I'd like a non nodejs twitter option if possible
Apr 13 15:44:18 <koen> show picture on screen, save it when pressing a button
Apr 13 15:44:32 <jkridner|work> tweeting is easy to do in lots of languages.  good python examples exist.
Apr 13 15:44:44 <jkridner|work> I haven't seen a really good C library.
Apr 13 15:44:59 <jkridner|work> what is the opposition to nodejs?
Apr 13 15:45:06 <jkridner|work> mranostay taunting?
Apr 13 15:46:12 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/155
Apr 13 15:47:16 <koen> jkridner|work: mostly size
Apr 13 15:47:34 <jkridner|work> size of what? isn't it already installed?
Apr 13 15:47:43 <koen> on the bone yes
Apr 13 15:47:50 <koen> but e.g. xM is a different thing
Apr 13 15:48:00 <koen> it's a nice sample app to use for teaching
Apr 13 15:48:21 <jkridner|work> why not release a new SD card image for xM that has the same contents as Bone?
Apr 13 15:48:52 <jkridner|work> Getting the software at the same level is something I'd bust my ass for...
Apr 13 15:49:32 <jkridner|work> it is embarrassing how long it has been since we've had a software refresh across Board, xM, and Bone.
Apr 13 15:49:55 <koen> I worked on 3.8 for xM last week
Apr 13 15:50:03 <koen> mainline is *$(*@($@*(@  broken
Apr 13 15:50:11 <jkridner|work> I can't really teach people crap w/o having a consistent software expeirence.
Apr 13 15:50:20 <koen> and our 3.8 kernel breaks a few non-DT paths
Apr 13 15:50:25 <koen> and DT is broken for xM :(
Apr 13 15:50:29 <jkridner|work> :(
Apr 13 15:51:06 <jkridner|work> Can we get the idea down on GSoC and perhaps pull in a GSoC student or one of the TI co-ops to solve this summer?
Apr 13 15:51:16 <koen> sure
Apr 13 15:51:32 <_av500_> burn a student on broken DT?
Apr 13 15:51:49 <jkridner|work> on getting mainline to work on xM.
Apr 13 15:52:13 <_av500_> hopefully a snapshot of mainline
Apr 13 15:52:15 <alan_o> that doesn't work anymore?
Apr 13 15:52:19 <jkridner|work> is that not a care-about?  don't you want to be able to pull your xM out of the drawer and use latest code on it?
Apr 13 15:52:20 <_av500_> lest this turns into a decade of code
Apr 13 15:52:24 <koen> and it has the similar DRM opengl issues
Apr 13 15:52:44 <_av500_> jkridner|work: no, that should work of course
Apr 13 15:52:45 <koen> jkridner|work: btw, what's the best way to (re)start the sgx ddk process for CCO?
Apr 13 15:53:18 <jkridner|work> I'll ping Adrian and copy you/Dave/Clint.
Apr 13 15:53:28 <_av500_> koen: but XM could boot mainline without sgx for a start
Apr 13 15:54:08 <koen> _av500_: sgx is a long way down the road and doesn't even feature in my goals for 3.8/3.10
Apr 13 15:54:14 <_av500_> ic
Apr 13 15:54:28 <_av500_> well, there is always libhybris for you
Apr 13 15:54:54 <koen> I did consider that
Apr 13 15:55:42 * _av500_ greps channel logs for his 3year old "just use android" quotes....
Apr 13 15:56:08 <_av500_> koen: and TI has no recent sgx build?
Apr 13 15:56:53 <_av500_> its not like omap3730 gets new sgx HW revisions every month
Apr 13 16:00:08 <mdp> detheridge should be able chime in on what is planned for sgx etc. 3.8+
Apr 13 16:04:21 <mdp> fwiw, doing the board-omap3beagle.c conversion sounds like a great project...though pretty big
Apr 13 16:05:05 <mdp> scoped to things that are in pretty good shape for DT conversion, it might be doable
Apr 13 16:06:19 <jkridner|work> given that we have a board.c, it is 100% that we want to make the switch over to DT, yes?
Apr 13 16:06:47 <mdp> eventually it will be deleted for non-maintenance...so, yes
Apr 13 16:07:00 <mdp> I'm not saying tomorrow...but eventually
Apr 13 16:07:07 <alan_o> mdp: so we should make a couple of commits to "maintain" it?
Apr 13 16:07:21 <mdp> it doesn't work that way
Apr 13 16:07:32 <mru> alan_o: then it gets deleted due to churn
Apr 13 16:07:42 <mdp> alan_o, ha
Apr 13 16:08:13 <mdp> alan_o, it means that if boot from DT doesn't work, then after a certain point beagleboard is SOL
Apr 13 16:08:43 <alan_o> maybe DT _can_ help us here.
Apr 13 16:09:02 <mdp> help us, Luke DT-walker, you're our only hope
Apr 13 16:09:14 <mdp> indeed it can
Apr 13 16:09:42 <mdp> most of it is very straightforward
Apr 13 16:09:50 <mdp> just needs a person with time that cares
Apr 13 16:13:17 <alan_o> mdp: those two are often mutually exclusive.
Apr 13 16:13:23 <mdp> koen, out of curiousity, what's the first thing that breaks on beagle mainline DT boot?
Apr 13 16:14:04 <alan_o> mdp: it just says "LI" and hangs
Apr 13 16:14:06 <mdp> koen, I would guess mmc, possibly...there's been some missing patches for the omap parts
Apr 13 16:14:12 <mdp> alan_o, LOL!
Apr 13 16:14:26 <mdp> alan_o, are you sure you aren't as old as me? ;)
Apr 13 16:14:40 <alan_o> I'm not far off :)
Apr 13 16:14:47 <mdp> fossil
Apr 13 16:15:30 <mdp> ok, well, gotta run, but I'm curious, koen, if you can paste the log
Apr 13 16:16:18 <mdp> my vague recollection is that I had enough work building against my dmaengine series a few months ago to successfully regression check it
Apr 13 16:16:41 <mdp> but that was with an omap-specific dt/dmaengine patch for mmc that I've dropped out for somebody else to handle
Apr 13 16:17:08 <mdp> bbl
Apr 13 16:31:51 <koen> mdp: dss2
Apr 13 16:32:08 <koen> find_overlay or something
Apr 13 16:32:14 <koen> framebuffer stuff
Apr 13 16:33:08 <jkridner|work> koen: do you think we need to adjust anything before making a new BeagleBone (white) SD card image?  if we are final for Black, then we should be stable enough to support a new image on white.
Apr 13 16:33:23 <jkridner|work> it'd really help in getting examples done over the next week or so.
Apr 13 16:33:36 <jkridner|work> and finding issues before they hit the streets.
Apr 13 16:34:13 * jkridner|work ejects the newly written flasher SD card.
Apr 13 16:35:13 <jkridner|work> I can try booting the flasher on a white and change emmc.sh to write to a USB SD adapter to create an image, but I want it to be "official".
Apr 13 16:36:14 <jkridner|work> the hardware docs are wrong. :-/  otherwise, there's very little black-specific.
Apr 13 16:36:22 <koen> jkridner|work: no, I just need to create an sd card, boot it, dump it and upload it for -white
Apr 13 16:37:17 <jkridner|work> k.  if you don't plan to do that by Monday, I'll need to make one to circulate to a handful of people helping me on examples that don't have black boards.
Apr 13 16:37:35 <jkridner|work> if you do plan to make an official release, then I'd rather just circulate that.
Apr 13 16:37:35 <koen> probably tomorrow
Apr 13 16:37:39 <jkridner|work> sweet!
Apr 13 16:40:18 <jkridner|work> I did kick off my clean build to capture sources.tgz a while ago, but I expect I'll need to do it again once oebb.sh points to the right places to pick up what you are actually building.
Apr 13 17:57:26 <mdp> koen: does dss have bindings yet?
Apr 13 17:57:37 <koen> mdp: iirc not
Apr 13 17:57:49 <koen> mdp: I'll try again tomorrow with latest mainline
Apr 13 17:58:06 <koen> and if that fails with benoits for 3.10 branch
Apr 13 17:58:56 <mdp> I was more wondering if the driver side is there
Apr 13 17:59:30 <mdp> which leads me to wonder about the stuff in ti-linux-kernel.git
Apr 13 18:01:14 <koen> that started out promissing
Apr 13 18:01:22 <koen> then it became a dumping ground for broken shit
Apr 13 18:01:49 <koen> just like my evil vendor tree is *$(@*(@ broken for xM
Apr 13 18:04:18 <mdp> I've seen some stuff go by internally that makes me question that tree's integrity..yes
Apr 13 18:08:56 <mdp> koen, the only thing expected to work in that tree is omap5-uevm.dts
Apr 13 18:10:49 <koen> does that have wl12xx?
Apr 13 18:11:00 <koen> wl18xx more likely
Apr 13 18:11:04 * koen needs DT bindings for that
Apr 13 18:26:26 <mdp> koen, still not there..weird spi dma stuff omap too
Apr 13 18:26:31 <mdp> in that tree
Apr 13 18:26:58 <mdp> I see support in dss2 at least
Apr 13 18:27:15 <mdp> that's as far as my curiousity goes
Apr 13 18:30:55 <mru> does ds2 have dt bindings?
Apr 13 18:44:26 <Russ> koen, those are the patches I sent you a while ago
Apr 13 18:44:36 <koen> Russ: weren't those for 3.2?
Apr 13 18:44:41 <Russ> ya
Apr 13 18:44:50 <Russ> I can port them forward, when do you need them?
Apr 13 18:45:29 <koen> with in a month or so
Apr 13 18:45:37 <koen> they will go into the updated build
Apr 13 18:56:25 * koen stabs qemu
Apr 13 18:56:41 <koen> it fails to build if you have a recent dtc from git installed
Apr 13 18:56:54 <woglinde> koen I sent patch
Apr 13 18:57:08 <woglinde> to oe-ore
Apr 13 18:57:11 <woglinde> ups oe-core
Apr 13 18:58:37 <_av500_> not oe-core?
Apr 13 19:00:16 <koen> woglinde: awesome, let me pull it down from patchwork
Apr 13 19:19:58 <koen> jkridner|work: in 10 minutes or so: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.04.13.img.xz
Apr 13 19:20:13 <koen> jkridner|work: should work on white, it's already booted
Apr 13 19:20:17 <jkridner|work> sweet!
Apr 13 19:20:30 <jkridner|work> will the mirrors pick it up?
Apr 13 19:20:43 <jkridner|work> I'll drop it on S3 as well.
Apr 13 19:21:05 <koen> I'll have a look at uploading it next week
Apr 13 19:25:57 <jkridner|work> you planning that HDD snapshot or oebb updates first?
Apr 13 19:26:04 <jkridner|work> btw, the new image works like a champ for me.
Apr 13 19:26:35 <jkridner|work> still having flakiness with GateOne.
Apr 13 19:31:40 <koen> jkridner|work: ok, the file should be there now
Apr 13 19:31:57 <jkridner|work> downloading!
Apr 13 19:32:42 <jkridner|work> when should I look for a modified oebb.sh to pick up *these* sources?
Apr 13 20:12:20 <jfeyeve> Hello, I'm interested in working with BeagleBoard on GSoC project
Apr 13 20:14:43 <jfeyeve> I have an idea for a project, and I would like some advice on submitting a well composed application
Apr 13 20:15:10 <alan_o> jfeyeve: are you on the BeagleBoard.org GSoC mailing list?
Apr 13 20:15:26 <alan_o> jkridner|work: ^^^
Apr 13 20:15:28 <woglinde> but you can ask questions here too
Apr 13 20:15:41 <woglinde> but last word has jkridner
Apr 13 20:15:47 <alan_o> yes, you can also ask questions here, but first step is to get on the mailing list.
Apr 13 20:15:49 <jkridner|work> hi. :)
Apr 13 20:16:26 <jfeyeve> I'm signing up now, thanks!
Apr 13 20:16:26 <woglinde> hm the beer taste good as always
Apr 13 20:16:56 <jkridner|work> get on the list, brainstorm here, present your idea on the list for feedback, come back and chat to refine, identify some folks who might make good mentors and help you refine the ideas page, submit a great application and violia!
Apr 13 20:17:21 <jfeyeve> awesome
Apr 13 20:17:21 <jkridner|work> something like that. :)
Apr 13 20:17:23 <alan_o> and you don't even have to play the viola but you don't
Apr 13 20:17:39 <alan_o> s/but you don't//g  <-arrgh
Apr 13 20:18:04 <alan_o> jfeyeve: what do you think you might want to work on?
Apr 13 20:19:50 <woglinde> hm should I apply for the python package stuff inclusion and mentor jkridner
Apr 13 20:19:53 * woglinde runs
Apr 13 20:22:14 <alan_o> I should have applied for GSoC. I could have gotten an intern to fix my HIDAPI bugs
Apr 13 20:22:33 <woglinde> alan_o hm?
Apr 13 20:23:04 <alan_o> woglinde: https://github.com/signal11/hidapi/
Apr 13 20:33:49 <jfeyeve> alan_o Im interested in the secondary processor support
Apr 13 20:34:07 <jfeyeve> using FPGAs,arduinos, MSP 430
Apr 13 20:34:40 <woglinde> nice
Apr 13 20:37:37 <woglinde> alan_o wow 36 issues open
Apr 13 20:44:07 <alan_o> woglinde: I know, I'm slack :(
Apr 13 20:44:11 <alan_o> jfeyeve: That's cool.
Apr 13 20:44:37 <jfeyeve> i had a Make type of project in mind
Apr 13 20:45:21 <woglinde> alan_o even simple one with patches attached
Apr 13 20:45:28 <jfeyeve> since that isn't on the idea list I thought secondary process support was the closest
Apr 13 20:45:32 <alan_o> jfeyeve: You'll want to watch: http://free-electrons.com/blog/elce-2012-videos/  Matt Porter's ( mdp ) video about the 6502 and beaglebone
Apr 13 20:45:44 <alan_o> woglinde: which one?
Apr 13 20:46:11 <alan_o> woglinde: markdown?
Apr 13 20:46:22 <woglinde> yes
Apr 13 20:46:25 <alan_o> woglinde: I haven't come up with a good way to manage the "I'm not interested int this patch"
Apr 13 20:46:33 <woglinde> oh okay
Apr 13 20:46:45 <woglinde> so just make a comment and close it
Apr 13 20:46:51 <alan_o> probably should
Apr 13 20:47:04 <alan_o> The markdown is great for how it looks on github, but I want it to show good in a text editor first and foremost
Apr 13 20:48:24 <woglinde> ah did not see you comment a lot
Apr 13 20:48:31 <woglinde> so are not as lazy as I thought
Apr 13 20:48:53 <alan_o> woglinde: the thing about contrib patches, is that many times (not every time), I spend as much time on the patch as the submitter. One could say that I should kick it back repeatedly and make them fix it, but that takes more effort most of the time than fixing it myself.
Apr 13 20:49:22 <alan_o> woglinde: I do kick them back, if I think the person is willing to learn more about the OSS process and has a desire to get it right.
Apr 13 20:49:42 <woglinde> ;)
Apr 13 20:50:13 <woglinde> hm no new video of bioshock infinite
Apr 13 20:51:35 <alan_o> know what I mean? I had this one guy who was a college student. Made a useful patch, but it needed a lot of work. I helped him out by making comments and suggestions and he eventually got there, and got to have some pride in authorship (I hope), but that was a lot of time on my part. I could have fixed it up in a couple hours because I knew what I wanted. A handful of times though you get perfect patches.
Apr 13 20:51:45 <woglinde> hm I will work on my jenkins jobs
Apr 13 20:51:50 <woglinde> for meta-java
Apr 13 20:51:51 <alan_o> woglinde: oh, and then there's the people who add a feature to one platform. I support 4 :)
Apr 13 20:52:03 <woglinde> alan_o I saw that
Apr 13 20:52:49 <woglinde> alan_o yes getting people willing and started is hard
Apr 13 20:59:46 <mdp> jfeyeve: sounds like a great project
Apr 13 21:00:58 <mrpackethead> it had to happen
Apr 13 21:00:59 <mrpackethead> http://geekboy.it/news/swedish-hosting-company-fs-data-announces-free-raspberry-pi-co-location
Apr 13 21:01:49 <mru> that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time
Apr 13 21:01:56 <woglinde> gm mrpackethead
Apr 13 21:02:13 <mrpackethead> good morning (ugt)
Apr 13 21:03:18 <woglinde> hm do we not have some wordpress brute forcing attacks ongoing
Apr 13 21:05:25 <jfeyeve> thank you all for the help
Apr 13 21:08:53 <alan_o> mrpackethead: I was about to say "too bad there's no mounting holes," but then I found that rev 2.0 finally has them
Apr 13 21:09:23 <alan_o> mrpackethead: and there's only 2!!!!
Apr 13 21:09:43 <alan_o> mrpackethead: I guess someone over there failed the "how many points make a plane" test in geometry...
Apr 13 21:09:52 <alan_o> is there anything about that project which isn't an absolute joke?
Apr 13 21:10:25 <woglinde> alan_o no, but people keep on buying
Apr 13 21:10:59 <alan_o> yes, it's all hype
Apr 13 21:11:13 <mrpackethead> is it?
Apr 13 21:11:24 <alan_o> yeah
Apr 13 21:11:28 <mrpackethead> you have an uber cheap thing that does somethign useful for someone
Apr 13 21:11:33 <mrpackethead> what is hype about htat
Apr 13 21:11:43 <alan_o> hype is what separates beagleboard.org products from RPi
Apr 13 21:11:55 <mru> and functionality
Apr 13 21:11:56 <mrpackethead> and $40
Apr 13 21:11:57 <mru> and sanity
Apr 13 21:12:19 <woglinde> some claims xmbc is fine for them on rpi
Apr 13 21:12:26 <alan_o> mru yeah, I mean hype is what they have better than us. We have plenty better than them, of course.
Apr 13 21:13:00 <mru> woglinde: it has a bigass video/gfx processor, so that's no surprise
Apr 13 21:13:23 <mru> but why the hell would you run xbmc in a colo?
Apr 13 21:14:29 <alan_o> For tThe next gen BeagleBone (what color is it again?) should kick the crap out of
Apr 13 21:14:33 <alan_o> crap
Apr 13 21:14:37 <alan_o> stray enter
Apr 13 21:14:39 <alan_o> let me rephrase
Apr 13 21:15:03 <alan_o> The next gen BeagleBone (what color is it again?) should kick the crap out of the RPi if we could articulate all the things which are better about our board
Apr 13 21:15:04 <alan_o> like
Apr 13 21:15:21 <mru> that's not how it works
Apr 13 21:15:40 <alan_o> mru It works on hype
Apr 13 21:15:52 <alan_o> we have to generate hype
Apr 13 21:15:53 <mru> and hype has _nothing_ to do with reality
Apr 13 21:16:16 <alan_o> right. But we can use reality as a basis for hype generation
Apr 13 21:16:17 <jkridner|work> it has *something* to do with reality in that it screws reality up.
Apr 13 21:16:19 <jkridner|work> :)
Apr 13 21:16:33 <jkridner|work> there's always *some* basis in fact.
Apr 13 21:16:55 <alan_o> Fact: Cortex vs ARM9
Apr 13 21:17:03 <jkridner|work> but 1 fact <<< 101 falsehoods.
Apr 13 21:17:04 <alan_o> Fact: Open Hardware Design
Apr 13 21:17:06 <mru> arm11, but whatever
Apr 13 21:17:12 <mru> alan_o: fact's don't matter
Apr 13 21:17:19 <mru> it's all about SHOUTING
Apr 13 21:17:23 <alan_o> oh yeah, arm11 :)
Apr 13 21:17:25 <mru> just look at lennart
Apr 13 21:17:51 <alan_o> So let's start shouting
Apr 13 21:17:59 <alan_o> :)
Apr 13 21:18:06 <mru> that only works when the bad guys do it
Apr 13 21:18:35 <alan_o> But.. there is a tendency for people to believe things which punch holes in hype.
Apr 13 21:18:41 <alan_o> people like to think they're getting the "real" story
Apr 13 21:18:48 <alan_o> hence Alex Jones
Apr 13 21:19:09 <mru> no, that's not how it works either
Apr 13 21:19:15 <alan_o> think not/
Apr 13 21:19:16 <alan_o> ?
Apr 13 21:19:19 <mru> people believe whatever makes them feel good
Apr 13 21:19:51 <mru> getting an _*AMAZING*_ almost-a-pc-but-better for ~nothing makes them feel good
Apr 13 21:20:02 <mru> and it saves the poor starving children
Apr 13 21:20:31 <alan_o> but aren't we an amazinger almost-a-pc-but-better for a little more than ~nothing (talking about next gen)?
Apr 13 21:20:42 <alan_o> and not made in China?
Apr 13 21:21:00 <mru> but that's the truth
Apr 13 21:21:04 <mru> the truth never works
Apr 13 21:21:11 <mru> the bad guy always wins
Apr 13 21:21:32 <alan_o> you don't watch enough superhero movies
Apr 13 21:21:34 <mru> where did you think politicians came from?
Apr 13 21:21:50 <alan_o> Well I guess that's QED
Apr 13 21:23:55 <woglinde> hm beer is empty
Apr 13 21:25:00 <jkroon_> woglinde, id buy you one for fixing qemu but I only have whiskey
Apr 13 21:26:41 <woglinde> jkroon_ na that was simply easy
Apr 13 21:26:57 <woglinde> like fixing chromium arm builds in ubuntu
Apr 13 21:27:35 <woglinde> that gives me a beer on linuxtag
Apr 13 21:27:53 <woglinde> hm so we have at least 2 promising candidates for gsoc
Apr 13 21:35:04 <woglinde> hm nice jamvm got java8 support
Apr 13 22:05:26 <alan_o> woglinde: javam looks cool. You'd think Sun would have given us something like that 15 years ago
Apr 13 22:11:44 <woglinde> hm let me see
Apr 13 22:12:13 <woglinde> yes 15 years ago I read the first parts of a book about java
Apr 13 22:12:40 <woglinde> but since 2003(2004 I really developing something in java
Apr 13 22:13:01 <woglinde> and since 2008 I learned a lot about java enterprise
Apr 13 22:13:22 <woglinde> and since hm 2006 or so I am making the meta-java stuff
Apr 13 22:35:28 <panto> prpplague, ping
Apr 13 22:39:08 <woglinde> pnato
Apr 13 22:39:13 <panto> hey
Apr 13 22:39:16 <woglinde> sleep sleep sleep
Apr 13 22:39:24 <panto> I should should should
Apr 13 22:43:51 <woglinde> good night too
Apr 13 23:28:38 <ka6sox> mranostay, got pins for me?
Apr 13 23:31:18 <mranostay> was about to work on that i swear :)
Apr 13 23:32:01 <mranostay> github down?
Apr 13 23:32:26 <ka6sox> dunno..not using them currently (using my own git repos :) )
Apr 13 23:35:53 <ka6sox> mranostay, githup UP for me.
Apr 13 23:59:30 <ka6sox> mranostay, got anything?
Apr 14 00:33:54 <Shadyman> github up for me
Apr 14 00:45:37 * ka6sox moves on waiting for mranostay to get him pins...onto other fun projects...
Apr 14 00:49:10 <mranostay> heh
Apr 14 00:49:11 <mranostay> https://gist.github.com/mranostay/5380626
Apr 14 00:49:27 <mranostay> parseing the datasheet to text isn't easy :)
Apr 14 00:49:36 <mranostay> damn TI not putting those mux modes in the pdf
Apr 14 00:51:52 <ka6sox> mranostay, what is GPIO0_7?
Apr 14 00:52:40 <mranostay> backlight usually
Apr 14 00:53:04 <mranostay> if you look at the schematic you'll see why you can't drive it
Apr 14 00:54:50 <mranostay> bbl
Apr 14 00:55:44 <ka6sox> okay
Apr 14 00:56:37 <ka6sox> mranostay, okay I'll poke around with these and see what fits best.
Apr 14 02:40:08 * mranostay pokes a mru 
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