**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 17 02:59:59 2013 Apr 17 05:52:34 did i miss anything Apr 17 05:54:13 here? Apr 17 05:55:10 damn, I want this: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Runbo-X3-3-5-Touch-IP67-Waterproof-Dustproof-Rugged-WCDMA-3G-Smartphone-With-Android-4/700314189.html Apr 17 06:06:26 -why? Apr 17 06:08:04 av500: don't forget to get your amateur radio license first :) Apr 17 06:09:12 meh Apr 17 06:09:27 still need to do that Apr 17 06:09:42 all those tests are like at 8a on a saturday Apr 17 06:09:54 i'm hungover then Apr 17 06:10:15 that's part of the test, to see if you can be awake at ungodly hours ;) Apr 17 06:20:43 mranostay, if you can do it hung over...you pass! Apr 17 06:21:18 ka6sox: can i drink at the exam? :) Apr 17 06:22:09 depends on the VE Leader... Apr 17 06:22:23 who knows...he might be 3 sheets to the wind by 8am! Apr 17 06:22:45 mranostay: I think it's expected of you Apr 17 06:51:48 * mranostay joins the dark side Apr 17 06:55:30 mranostay, does this mean you are headed to bed? Apr 17 06:55:52 heh no Apr 17 06:56:12 want to get this nixie cape working tonight Apr 17 06:57:43 so that you can abandon ARM the next morning? Apr 17 06:58:30 heh x86 all things? Apr 17 07:00:31 mranostay, so we need to avoid GPIO3_17 and use another bit? Apr 17 07:00:55 I am trying to finish up this design Apr 17 07:03:14 well you can use it Apr 17 07:03:26 the the muxing the gpio0_7 matters Apr 17 07:03:43 you really need to see the schematic to understand Apr 17 07:04:15 you can't really use any other cape with the all the pins we are using :) Apr 17 07:04:20 so go for it Apr 17 07:06:46 mranostay, okay I am looking @ using pru0 for TX and PRU1 for RX, number of bits I'm still sorting out as I'll need a bit of feedback related to shuffling bits Apr 17 07:37:13 koen, I tried that Angstråm image you gave a link to yesterday, on my Beaglebone+DVI-D cape, connecting the cape to my monitor at work now, still no screen. So I guess I need a new monitor.. Apr 17 07:39:10 is it possible to apply now for bb project in gsoc,or wait till application opens? Apr 17 07:40:34 the app should be open now Apr 17 07:43:20 alexpp: oh no another greek in here?!?? :) Apr 17 07:47:30 Is there anyone in here who is successfully using the DVI-D cape for the Beaglebone ? Apr 17 07:49:48 Only hunch I have right now is that I read that some of the early DVI-D-capes were shipped without any firmware installed in the EEPROM Apr 17 07:50:45 But the kernel says it has found version '00A0' of the DVI-D-cape firmware Apr 17 07:51:51 or something like that.. Apr 17 07:57:38 does the black bone also use the pmic's GPIO to enable HDMI (like for the XM rev3)? Apr 17 07:58:37 whoa whoa we do not say colors here Apr 17 07:58:53 all beaglebones are born equal thank you Apr 17 07:59:11 hehe Apr 17 07:59:14 beaglebone of african descent? Apr 17 08:00:30 * ungureanuvladvic thinks it is not good to put tags on the beagles Apr 17 08:05:31 tags? Apr 17 08:09:15 seems mru things it is cruel i have collar on my cat :P Apr 17 08:17:34 gm Apr 17 08:26:57 http://ars.to/YRrXLU Apr 17 08:28:28 grrrrrrrrrrrr Apr 17 08:28:41 keesj: no, HDMI is always provided power. It is not active though till driver sends a power-on i2c command. Apr 17 08:29:28 interestingly though, HDMI audio does need a GPIO to be pulled high. Apr 17 08:30:03 the GPIO controls an external oscillator that provides the processor's McASP0 with the right frequency for the audio clocks. Apr 17 08:31:07 and on the xm the you need to talk to the pmic to toggle the "power-on" using the pmic gpio. Apr 17 08:31:26 yeah, nothing to do with pmic here from hdmi standpoint Apr 17 08:32:31 yes but you still need to talk to that chip as the gpio is not directly connected to the soc. I would like to know if this is the same on the black bone. Apr 17 08:34:12 no no that's what. no need to touch the PMIC. you can just scan i2c bus 1 to find the address of HDMI on the bus. Apr 17 08:35:10 right Apr 17 08:35:36 panto: i do love HDMI uses all the pins up:P Apr 17 08:40:01 joel_: on XM rev3 you need to enable DVI_PUP that is connected to GPIO2 of the TPS65950 Apr 17 08:40:29 this is sometimes done in u-boot. Apr 17 08:40:55 http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-February/117646.html Apr 17 08:41:42 * mranostay better sleep to sneak into collab tomorrow Apr 17 08:42:16 I guess it is best to checkout the one and only source ... the source Apr 17 08:50:55 use the source, luke? Apr 17 08:51:57 crap 2a Apr 17 08:53:28 didnt you want to go to bed early? Apr 17 09:21:16 Hello, I already have a problem with my uart connection. I hope someone of you can tell me what could be wrong if I dont get a answer if I try " echo hallo > /dev/ttyO2". Pin mux is set to uart Apr 17 09:22:13 do you get the signal on the pins? Apr 17 09:24:43 I get some signals but perhaps they are from the gps, I will try it without. Apr 17 09:26:50 uhmm.. Apr 17 09:27:08 you should know whether you get it from the gps or from the beagle Apr 17 09:27:12 TX and RX are different pins Apr 17 09:27:29 if you dont know which is which, CHECK THEM Apr 17 09:32:11 so I switched the gps off, and I dont get anything. TX and RX are different pins , yes. I got nothing on both Apr 17 09:32:45 and I dont get an "hello" at the terminal Apr 17 09:38:37 and this is the debug uart? Apr 17 09:38:40 or another one? Apr 17 09:44:02 At the datasheet its UART2_ on the expansion connector and I also get tty0, ttyO0, - ttyO3. but I neither get a hello from any of the other ports. Apr 17 09:51:56 and the pinmux? Apr 17 09:55:18 the pinmux is set to uart. (its also the default setting) but i checkt it Apr 17 10:00:01 never trust any defaults Apr 17 10:00:32 I have a question about the pinmux. You set the pinmux at /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux is that correct? Apr 17 10:01:47 in the past yes Apr 17 10:01:59 what about the future? Apr 17 10:02:03 DT Apr 17 10:02:33 * KotH wonders whether he should put up a nuke somewhere and write D on one wing and T on the other Apr 17 10:05:49 so I'm not sure if I understand it, I set the pinmux at the omap_mux folder Apr 17 10:06:17 yes Apr 17 10:06:25 for the beagle that still applies Apr 17 10:06:33 not for the bone Apr 17 10:06:39 since that has been DTfied Apr 17 10:09:09 ok and now my newbe question , I found at the datasheet e.g. on pin 6 uart2_tx | McBSP3_CLKX | .... and all these pins are also at the omap_mux folder. witchone have I to change ? or doesnt mather?? Apr 17 10:17:33 I hate sourceforge, is it not time for everyone to move to something better so it can die a slow painful death Apr 17 10:19:07 the good projects left it already back in 2002 :) Apr 17 10:19:28 I think the only one I still use is net-snmp Apr 17 10:19:42 which is hard enough, without fighting sourceforge Apr 17 10:20:40 what's the prob with sf these days? Apr 17 10:21:33 it's just complex and long winded Apr 17 10:21:46 I tried to log in with openid for 5 minutes Apr 17 10:21:47 failed Apr 17 10:21:55 then tried to register a new user Apr 17 10:21:56 failed Apr 17 10:22:07 so I gave up and came here to rant about it Apr 17 10:55:24 jkridner|work: ping Apr 17 10:57:23 hmm, pretty early for him Apr 17 14:16:59 Hi! Enyone used am335x with HW AES/SHA and evil Arago tree? Apr 17 14:17:19 omap_sham_mod_init: loading omap-sham driver Apr 17 14:17:27 omap_sham_mod_init: Unsupported cpu Apr 17 14:17:51 it's a scam, not a sham Apr 17 14:18:32 [ 1.664743] omap-sham 53100000.sham: hw accel on OMAP rev 4.3 Apr 17 14:18:40 works on my 3.8.x tree Apr 17 14:19:25 O.K. will try Apr 17 14:19:38 have you also tried to patch the kernel for OCF? Apr 17 14:19:51 no, OCF is useless Apr 17 14:19:56 only openssh uses it Apr 17 14:20:21 you're better off with the in-kernel sham stuff Apr 17 14:20:38 is there /proc /sys entry showing hw encryption engines? Apr 17 14:21:08 hi jkridner|work Apr 17 14:21:22 hi Apr 17 14:21:33 /sys/bus/platform/devices/53100000.sham Apr 17 14:23:15 hi panto Apr 17 14:25:08 jkridner|work: that VM makes you which for sneakernet, right? Apr 17 14:25:14 wish* Apr 17 14:25:45 so I can kick it? Apr 17 14:25:56 * jkridner|work isn't sure of the topic here Apr 17 14:25:57 yes you can Apr 17 14:26:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet Apr 17 14:26:20 jkridner|work: the 30GB download I mailed you Apr 17 14:26:29 * jkridner|work tries to open beagleboard.org and struggles. :-/ Apr 17 14:26:40 something up? Apr 17 14:26:40 * jkridner|work knows sneakernet Apr 17 14:26:53 "never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck full of tapes" Apr 17 14:27:01 anyone else struggling getting to beagleboard.org right now? Apr 17 14:27:10 ah, there it goes. Apr 17 14:27:12 panto, +1 Apr 17 14:27:18 jkridner|work: the VM images for GPL compliance Apr 17 14:27:37 ah. Apr 17 14:29:12 jkridner|work, I'll need some promotional ppts or something Apr 17 14:29:21 the plan is to include virtual box installers for windows and osx on the usb drive as well Apr 17 14:29:24 got a BoF about the bone this sunday Apr 17 14:31:54 panto: k, drop an e-mail reminder to my @ti.com address and I'll reply with some .ppts. Apr 17 14:32:01 ok Apr 17 14:42:28 koen: should am335x encryption engine show up in openssl engine list? Apr 17 14:44:23 yegorich: only the ocf one AIUI Apr 17 15:00:42 koen, are you familiar with the DVI-D cape ? I see that mine doesnt have the audio in/out connectors on it.. Could it be that I have an early version of it, the ones that were shipped with no EEPROM programmed Apr 17 15:02:03 it's a single pcb for dvi, adio and dvi+audio capes Apr 17 15:06:22 aha Apr 17 15:13:47 and a 5V/3A power supply for the Beaglebone should be ok Apr 17 15:22:37 yes Apr 17 15:39:19 modmaker: ping Apr 17 16:12:26 hustcalm Apr 17 16:16:38 I'm considering to spend the summer with beagle on gsoc 2013. Do i need a beagle board to do the development and testing? Apr 17 16:17:34 I'm somehow know something about embedded development and been on a competition about robots Apr 17 16:17:49 you will get one Apr 17 16:17:53 if you are selected Apr 17 16:17:55 accepted Apr 17 16:17:56 chosen Apr 17 16:18:12 deemed worthy Apr 17 16:18:56 if you are not worthy, you have to give us one :) Apr 17 16:18:57 thx for your reply. I'm now reading about the idea page and looking for a chance to come up with my own Apr 17 16:19:13 But yes, in general when you are developij g code for a board, you want the board. Apr 17 16:19:26 sure, I will do some enhencement then before giving you one Apr 17 16:20:15 excuse me, may I have your time:-) mine 00:22 Apr 17 16:20:35 * av500 keeps his time private Apr 17 16:20:44 too much time robbers these days Apr 17 16:20:48 too many* Apr 17 16:21:02 exactly:-) Apr 17 16:21:13 hustcalm_, I am US east coast and many are western europe Apr 17 16:21:14 them bandits ! Apr 17 16:22:06 actually, my nickname is hustcalm, but the 'hustcalm' is online on another pc, so my nickname becomes 'hustcalm_' :( Apr 17 16:22:31 np Apr 17 16:22:49 we dont enforce single nick'ness here Apr 17 16:22:57 hello guys, good morning then? should I say this;) Apr 17 16:23:06 just UGT Apr 17 16:23:09 just use UGT Apr 17 16:23:11 wearing a tail is hip ! Apr 17 16:23:19 ~ugt Apr 17 16:23:21 cool:) then Apr 17 16:23:33 <_av500_> I call them "wings" Apr 17 16:23:39 haha Apr 17 16:23:39 thx for your warm welcome:) Apr 17 16:23:46 doubletail Apr 17 16:24:10 I will read the ideas and see how I can do some help:) Apr 17 16:24:37 but this time I should go bed really, cause, there is class in the morning... Apr 17 16:26:38 bye guys:-) talk 2 u later Apr 17 16:40:29 modmaker: ping Apr 17 17:22:36 prpplague: ping timeout Apr 17 17:57:55 KotH: nope, sent stealth pong Apr 17 18:00:45 ah.. i see... you're slowly building a secret pong society! Apr 17 18:00:50 mrpackethead: http://www.idleloop.com/robotics/cutter/index.php#stencil Apr 17 18:05:03 KotH: yeah, members only. Do you want to apply? Apr 17 18:05:33 modmaker: what benefits do i get? Apr 17 18:06:05 KotH: Free pongs! Apr 17 18:06:10 YAY! Apr 17 18:08:08 salut alan_o Apr 17 18:08:13 comment ça va? Apr 17 18:08:44 hola amigo Apr 17 18:13:45 hi alan_o Apr 17 18:13:46 *yawn* Apr 17 18:13:54 alan_o, modules arrived Apr 17 18:15:29 panto: w00t! Apr 17 18:15:46 panto: mrf24j40? Apr 17 18:16:18 yes Apr 17 18:16:50 I need to get mine working as well Apr 17 18:16:55 hopefully next week Apr 17 18:20:06 <_av500_> ahoi Apr 17 18:46:07 alan_o, btw, what's the exact part number btw? Apr 17 18:46:20 I don't have a magnifying glass here to see it Apr 17 18:47:44 mrf24j40ma Apr 17 18:47:53 thanks Apr 17 19:34:34 g'night all Apr 17 19:38:29 alan_o, #exactpartnumber Apr 17 19:42:55 mdp: exactpartnumber, it's often the first step Apr 17 19:43:43 in a series of exacting steps Apr 17 19:44:06 yielding a product that doesn't meet requirements Apr 17 19:44:12 or budget Apr 17 19:44:22 such is our industry ;) Apr 17 19:44:44 built by a team of engineers chatting with one another on IRC all day Apr 17 19:44:46 decisions can be blamed and must be avoided at all costs Apr 17 19:44:50 alan_o, +1 Apr 17 19:45:05 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/45 Apr 17 19:45:08 s/chatting/talking about guns/ Apr 17 19:45:24 you had me at "guns" Apr 17 19:45:35 mru, agreed Apr 17 19:45:36 you had me at gunpoint Apr 17 19:45:45 heh Apr 17 19:45:55 how goes it down in the swamplands? Apr 17 19:46:51 pretty well I suppose. starting to warm up here. people say "finally," but I say pfft. Apr 17 19:47:14 same here, just relatively different benchmarks of warming Apr 17 19:48:13 well, back to work...cya Apr 17 19:48:48 hi mdp, alan_o Apr 17 19:49:20 I was told you guys offered as mentors for the kernel upstreaming GSoC project Apr 17 19:51:20 Turl: I was told the same Apr 17 19:52:21 Turl: how can we help? Apr 17 19:52:36 or more appropriately, how can _you_ help? :) Apr 17 19:53:52 alan_o: well, I have some experience working with linux and mainlining stuff Apr 17 19:54:54 awesome Apr 17 19:55:13 alan_o: have you heard of sunxi / Allwinner SoCs? Apr 17 19:55:48 Yes. I think mdp uses the Allwinner stuff. Apr 17 19:56:05 mdp is writing the DMA driver iirc Apr 17 19:56:37 DMA and SPI, just checked on the wiki Apr 17 19:57:07 I've been working on the clk driver for sunxi Apr 17 19:58:21 cool Apr 17 19:58:23 What's your name? Apr 17 19:59:24 alan_o: Emilio Apr 17 19:59:46 Lopez? Apr 17 19:59:54 yes Apr 17 20:03:41 <_av500_> not sure how "upstreaming" can be measured in terms of GSoC Apr 17 20:03:43 cool, so it looks like you're familiar with the process (git, formatting patches, posting to the right lists, etc). Apr 17 20:04:32 _av500_: I'd assume number of patches posted and number of patches removed from our evil vendor tree. Apr 17 20:04:54 _av500_: beyond that, I don't really know anything about how GSoC acutally works or measures participants. Apr 17 20:07:32 <_av500_> it's supposed to have code produced Apr 17 20:07:46 <_av500_> its up to us to set the terms Apr 17 20:07:52 <_av500_> as for pass/fail Apr 17 20:07:57 <_av500_> still its about writing code Apr 17 20:08:11 <_av500_> I feel a bit reluctant to have "upstreaming" as a goal Apr 17 20:08:19 hmm Apr 17 20:08:24 <_av500_> also, that depends a lot on feedback from upstream Apr 17 20:08:30 <_av500_> and that can take time Apr 17 20:08:51 yes, no doubt. It can be a long process. Apr 17 20:08:58 What does jkridner think? Apr 17 20:09:06 <_av500_> also, in case upstream hates it, a rewrite mit thread on the code owners feet Apr 17 20:09:10 <_av500_> might Apr 17 20:09:11 I pitched this to him and he was enthusiastic right away. Apr 17 20:09:47 _av500_: or on the student :) Apr 17 20:09:57 I haven't looked too closely, but it seems like there should be a significant amount of low hanging fruit. Apr 17 20:10:22 I had a quick look and saw several simple dt patches Apr 17 20:11:02 Turl: there are a lot Apr 17 20:11:04 Turl: but Apr 17 20:11:22 Turl: I don't think _any_ of our actual device tree files are upstream. Apr 17 20:12:20 http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/arm/arm-soc.git/tree/arch/arm/boot/dts?h=for-next Apr 17 20:12:26 am335x-bone is Apr 17 20:12:32 but it's fairly empty Apr 17 20:12:56 <_av500_> of course Apr 17 20:13:06 yeah, just saw that Apr 17 20:13:07 <_av500_> the DT will be shipped by the vendor in the actual hardware Apr 17 20:13:12 <_av500_> no? Apr 17 20:13:35 _av500_: that's the ultimate goal of DT Apr 17 20:13:43 <_av500_> so Apr 17 20:13:47 <_av500_> no need to upstream it :) Apr 17 20:14:48 DT describes the hardware though, so if you add hardware you might need to tweak it Apr 17 20:15:04 most people add hardware to their dev boards :) Apr 17 20:15:18 <_av500_> you just ask the vendor for a certified driver Apr 17 20:15:24 <_av500_> like on windows :) Apr 17 20:15:40 driver signing: $500 Apr 17 20:15:44 send me your drivers Apr 17 20:15:52 (and a pen) Apr 17 20:15:58 <_av500_> alan_o: driver singing for $50 Apr 17 20:16:10 dang free markets... Apr 17 20:17:02 singing? :) Apr 17 20:17:52 <_av500_> :) Apr 17 20:19:01 I totally missed that one... Apr 17 20:20:07 that's how marketing works ;) Apr 17 20:58:27 where is the mDNS code? Apr 17 21:27:31 just realized, my toshiba dock has a built-in pl2303. hehe. Apr 17 21:27:51 cables-- Apr 17 21:28:26 why not use a TUSB? Apr 17 21:28:37 i.e. the stuff on the launchpad Apr 17 21:29:59 or one of the ez430 programmers from the RF2500 boards Apr 17 21:30:47 or ft2232 Apr 17 21:31:14 can you get ft2232's on a usable manner cheaper then those? Apr 17 21:31:25 $4.30? Apr 17 21:35:01 mrpackethead: hey kiwi Apr 17 21:35:24 hey us-ite Apr 17 21:35:37 mranostay: hey us-ite Apr 17 21:35:50 yankee you mean? Apr 17 21:37:42 mranostay: isn't that an orange flag with a big old X on your.... Apr 17 21:43:03 lol Apr 17 21:51:16 heh Apr 17 21:59:20 hey mranostay Apr 17 22:15:28 * CanyonMan_ slaps av500 about a bit with an exceptionally large trout Apr 17 22:15:34 Who missed me? Apr 17 22:16:36 * agmlego pours water on SilicaGel. Apr 17 22:18:41 nooooooooooooooooooo Apr 17 22:19:03 lol Apr 17 22:23:23 hahaha Apr 17 22:34:53 KotH: thats a better process than i was using Apr 17 22:34:59 thanks Apr 17 22:47:43 I got 2 new Beagleboards(rev C2)... I had this other beagleboard (revB). I transferred the SD card from the rev B board to the C2 board and tried to boot up Apr 17 22:48:05 it does not boot up. Infact the leds on the sides of the sd card are not even blinking Apr 17 22:48:18 this happened with both of my rev c2 boards Apr 17 22:48:57 could someone help me? Apr 17 22:49:42 I reflashed the SDcards which came with the C2 with a new Angstrom build... still doesnt work Apr 17 23:23:07 * SilicaGel (unable to absorb more water) expands to the point he can't fit in the channel Apr 18 00:21:13 anybody know what the cheapest arm board with GbE is? Apr 18 02:25:10 hdevalence : maybe cubieboard, a competitor to the beagle Apr 18 02:25:35 hdevalence : otherwise I guess some marvell board has gigie Apr 18 02:25:37 -i Apr 18 02:25:46 hehe Apr 18 02:25:51 minnowboard.org Apr 18 02:28:09 prpplague: hey, I thought I was supposed to see a bacon proto today. Apr 18 02:28:16 and some mustache cams Apr 18 02:28:39 jkridner|work: you got demoted Apr 18 02:28:51 * jkridner|work considers kicking prpplague Apr 18 02:29:10 jkridner|work: between work on the testers, the M2 printer, and organizing stuff for DW, you got put down on the list Apr 18 02:29:20 * prpplague has new overlords Apr 18 02:29:58 CareBear\: seems like everything uses usb ethernet Apr 18 02:30:04 internally, I mean Apr 18 02:30:54 hdevalence: minnowboard is gige via pcie Apr 18 02:31:43 yeah, but it's also probably pretty expensive Apr 18 02:32:07 expensive is relative Apr 18 02:32:17 hdevalence: minnow is sub $200 Apr 18 02:33:48 I'm looking for something $40-$50 Apr 18 02:36:01 hehe yea, right Apr 18 02:36:04 with gige Apr 18 02:36:08 and not usb based Apr 18 02:36:13 hehe yea, right Apr 18 02:36:47 prpplague: they exist, they just aren't sold to consumers apparently. Look at the seagate goflex. Apr 18 02:37:20 hdevalence: hehehe Apr 18 02:37:57 * prpplague goes to back the real world Apr 18 02:39:57 prpplague: in the "real world", the minnowboard doesn't exist either Apr 18 02:40:32 so if you have constructive suggestions on boards that people can buy, go ahead. Apr 18 02:40:38 hdevalence: oh? do tell Apr 18 02:40:51 hdevalence: curious as to your reasoning behind that statement Apr 18 02:42:27 prpplague: you can't buy one. If we're talking about boards that you can't buy, they certainly exist. Take the price of a GoFlex and subtract the price of the drive, and you get exactly what I'm looking for. Apr 18 02:43:02 hdevalence: you can buy one at the end of next week Apr 18 02:43:18 hdevalence: available via digikey, mouser, arrow, and avnet Apr 18 02:43:31 And compared to ARM boards with GbE that *can* be bought right now, it's still double the price Apr 18 02:44:10 hdevalence: give me an example of one? Apr 18 02:44:22 prpplague: wandboard Apr 18 02:45:24 unhuh, yea, you purchased one yet? you got it booted yet? Apr 18 02:46:34 prpplague: I'm done with this conversation. Apr 18 02:50:30 hehe, not that he cares anymore but i am all for a spirited debate, be happy to admit when i am wrong if you show me evidence. i'd love to have a dollar for every time someone pops in an irc channel and say run their mouth on things they have no clue about.... Apr 18 02:53:21 don't the plugs have GigE? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 18 02:59:58 2013