**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 19 02:59:58 2013 Apr 19 03:09:49 * ds2 throws scooby snacks around Apr 19 03:12:10 Friends don't let Friends buy Broken Electronics :P Apr 19 03:49:14 ka6sox: how about trolls? Apr 19 03:58:30 <_av500_> trolls Apr 19 04:04:04 I already dont' like this vendor...I had to fix a brand new $50,000 box because they screwedup and stiffed when I fixed it for them. Apr 19 04:06:06 mranostay, sooo....after talking to panto...I'm dropping the LA bits and just going to focus on the JTAG stuff...more than enough to keep us busy there... Apr 19 04:10:49 * mranostay forgets how slow big companies are at things Apr 19 04:15:09 oh i'm a 8 digit number again :P Apr 19 04:16:57 heh Apr 19 04:40:22 zzzzzzzzz...... Apr 19 04:42:59 alan_o: how dare you Apr 19 04:43:58 Eastern time man... can't hang :( Apr 19 04:44:04 later! Apr 19 04:58:19 hi calculus Apr 19 05:25:15 mranostay: hello kitty Apr 19 05:25:32 :) Apr 19 05:25:39 who doesn't love a good Hello Kitty? Apr 19 05:26:25 I remember having a hello kitty choose your own adventure computer game back in the day Apr 19 05:36:24 hah, found the name, Hello Kitty Big Fun Deluxe Apr 19 05:46:54 HELLO KITTY JIHAD! Apr 19 05:48:35 oh christ Apr 19 05:48:45 oh $deity Apr 19 05:49:13 KotH: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2ejdP2MCuUs/TA_jU0RiEcI/AAAAAAAADRQ/Dy9E7drgcOE/s1600/hello+kitty.jpg Apr 19 05:49:30 why does that even exist? Apr 19 05:49:45 its the red wire Apr 19 05:49:49 no the blue one! Apr 19 05:49:53 zz_ka6sox: i had the same experience with soekris... devices broken by design, and the CEO (and incidentally chief developer) is too conceited to admit that his devices might be faulty... no, it's all the fault of broken drivers in linux (yes, he is a bsd guy) Apr 19 05:50:05 mranostay: ROTFL Apr 19 05:50:43 so, black friday tommorrow Apr 19 05:50:48 if i am not mistaken Apr 19 05:51:13 i don't know whether it's black, but it'll be a rainy friday today Apr 19 05:51:38 * mranostay is about to move to the land of rain Apr 19 05:51:52 going to work in the uk? Apr 19 05:52:05 why would anyone want to do that? Apr 19 05:52:07 portlandia Apr 19 05:52:13 ah.. Apr 19 05:52:16 it doesnt rain ther Apr 19 05:52:18 there* Apr 19 05:52:48 i'd work in the UK if i could get a visa Apr 19 05:53:06 huh? Apr 19 05:53:15 no visa for the rebels? Apr 19 05:53:30 KotH: kids need to have a minder Apr 19 05:53:36 lol Apr 19 05:54:08 KotH: worker visa is impossible without a degree Apr 19 05:54:39 * mranostay needs to start that up again since his head to knocking the glass ceiling almost Apr 19 05:54:46 see... you should have gotten swiss citizenship... hardly anyone wants a visa from us Apr 19 05:55:24 how? you have a sister i can marry? :P Apr 19 05:55:45 hi anyone can help me in steps of installation of beaglebone lightpd Apr 19 05:55:49 come to .ch, live here a couple of years, apply for citizenship Apr 19 05:56:01 marrying someone speeds that up by two or three years Apr 19 05:56:04 gm Apr 19 05:56:07 yeah how do i live legally in .ch for a few years? Apr 19 05:56:09 salut panto Apr 19 05:56:16 i hve installed it but php files doesnt open :( Apr 19 05:56:16 mranostay: why legally Apr 19 05:56:22 just hole up in teh mountains Apr 19 05:56:28 iirc i can only stay 90 days of 180 day period Apr 19 05:56:33 you're greeting a greek? are you sure you're not going to be excommunicated? Apr 19 05:56:52 panto: its a trap Apr 19 05:56:54 panto: hello allah! Apr 19 05:57:00 mranostay: you come over and apply for asylum Apr 19 05:57:06 anyone there for beaglebone help Apr 19 05:57:11 asylum from the US? :) Apr 19 05:57:17 on what fucking grounds? :) Apr 19 05:57:29 vin_, state your intentions earthling... Apr 19 05:57:30 mranostay: on grounds of that suitcase full of money Apr 19 05:57:34 most do like that Apr 19 05:57:42 even german ex-celebs Apr 19 05:57:51 i'm sure i don't have enough cash to qualify Apr 19 05:58:02 but now you haev a goal :) Apr 19 05:58:02 panto: it's for the swiss secret service... looks like they are checking whether i'm a good citizen or not... Apr 19 05:58:31 mranostay: political Apr 19 05:58:38 if i had the cash i wouldn't need to work in the EU or .ch :) Apr 19 05:58:43 mranostay: that works for almost anyone .. even for greeks Apr 19 05:58:59 mranostay: i'm sure you can fabricate something in the form of "they dont want me to have a geiger counter!!!" Apr 19 05:59:06 true, but I could scrape on by running a bar on an island during the summer Apr 19 05:59:09 bbl.. gtg to work Apr 19 05:59:18 so I would need less $$$ that you guys... Apr 19 05:59:18 you don't irc from work? Apr 19 05:59:20 mranostay: cite the crack down on guns Apr 19 05:59:37 heh Apr 19 05:59:46 mranostay, he works? I thought IRC was all that he did Apr 19 05:59:54 that is what i do Apr 19 06:00:06 vin_, if you didn't got that, yeah we do beaglebone here... just ask away Apr 19 06:01:24 nice Apr 19 06:01:54 * panto scrolls back... Apr 19 06:02:06 you'd work in the UK? are you sure? Apr 19 06:02:16 could you stand the weather there? Apr 19 06:02:26 bah nice pubs Apr 19 06:02:58 go to spain instead, to one of the areas where .uk people have colonized Apr 19 06:03:14 any tech jobs in spain? Apr 19 06:04:58 KotH, ugh...that is where you say..I'll use somebody elses stuff...thank you :p Apr 19 06:06:04 mranostay, I thought you said retire? :) Apr 19 06:06:39 no american can retire Apr 19 06:06:50 or anyone really Apr 19 06:09:04 well, the trick is what you mean by 'retire' Apr 19 06:12:10 panto, can I afford to retire there? Apr 19 06:12:40 I'm pretty sure you can Apr 19 06:13:08 what is the retirement age? Apr 19 06:14:06 ka6sox, now? for normal workers is 67 Apr 19 06:14:40 then I'm right in line for retirement :) Apr 19 06:14:55 if you worked for the .gr public sector you might retire at 55 Apr 19 06:15:06 but that kinda screwed everyone else over Apr 19 06:15:40 here, I'm gonna DIE before I retire. Apr 19 06:15:55 i resigned myself to the fact i can't retire but i like to live comfortably Apr 19 06:16:39 ka6sox, I'm sure the pru-jtag thing will get us all to retire! :) Apr 19 06:16:41 lol Apr 19 06:16:59 panto, yup...look out Lauterberg! Apr 19 06:17:03 we are on your 6 Apr 19 06:17:36 lauterbach, but who cares :) Apr 19 06:18:23 too many hours of trying to work on "embedded" systems today...(if you call an Asus Desktop 533mhz bus P4 system "embedded" :P Apr 19 06:18:29 ) Apr 19 06:18:39 wah? Apr 19 06:18:44 why would you do that? Apr 19 06:19:22 Legacy crud I was trying to "upgrade" Apr 19 06:19:40 it went pear shaped... Apr 19 06:20:34 * mranostay puts Troll Cape on his declaration forms for a major semiconductor company Apr 19 06:20:59 trolls....they steal your socks...but only the left ones... Apr 19 06:21:04 and sign with 'u jelly?' Apr 19 06:21:12 dm8tbr: u jelly? Apr 19 06:21:16 u jelly? Apr 19 06:21:38 * dm8tbr has nice jelly in the fridge, yes Apr 19 06:22:48 what is u jelly? Apr 19 06:23:07 do we actually want to know? Apr 19 06:23:30 koen, probably not Apr 19 06:23:34 yes! Apr 19 06:23:35 no! Apr 19 06:23:43 dammit, was that a trick question Apr 19 06:24:15 panto, another cup of coffee for you....or maybe no more? Apr 19 06:24:35 * panto procrastinates... Apr 19 06:24:44 * mrpackethead considerates Apr 19 06:24:46 i do! Apr 19 06:24:48 panto, can events monitor pins? Apr 19 06:24:52 dm8tbr: answer! Apr 19 06:25:05 41.375 Apr 19 06:25:28 err, what do you mean? interrupts? Apr 19 06:25:30 is considerate a word? Apr 19 06:25:45 consideration Apr 19 06:25:46 interuptates even. Apr 19 06:26:04 It Friday night Apr 19 06:26:09 i've had a tough week. Apr 19 06:26:16 and some people are short-timing! :) Apr 19 06:26:30 panto, something akin to that...trying to figure out how to make things empty whats full and fill whats empty Apr 19 06:26:54 ka6sox, do you have the pru ref guide document? Apr 19 06:27:23 no only the Ev1L TRM Apr 19 06:27:43 and thats inconclusive... Apr 19 06:27:53 git clone git://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package.git Apr 19 06:29:07 there are many possibilities Apr 19 06:29:20 more than one way to skin the cat Apr 19 06:30:02 I need that one that works with the pins we have available. Apr 19 06:30:39 I see that there are mailbox interrupts routed to the PRU too Apr 19 06:30:57 I think that would work without using external pins Apr 19 06:31:10 * ka6sox likes mailboxes... Apr 19 06:31:53 so if I write the app in erlang and use mailboxes to talk to the PRU does that make it doubly RT? Apr 19 06:31:55 read the pru ref guide doc Apr 19 06:32:04 -EMINDBLOWN Apr 19 06:32:50 port install xpdf Apr 19 06:33:36 ya, about to..when I get xpdf up. Apr 19 06:35:24 panto: https://github.com/modmaker/am335x_pru_package Apr 19 06:35:34 panto: that has some of the v2 isns implemented Apr 19 06:35:46 XIN, XOUT, XCHG, ZERO, FILL, SXIN, SXOUT, SXCHG, LOOP & ILOOP. Apr 19 06:35:55 oh, nice Apr 19 06:35:58 oh, I like those bits Apr 19 06:36:22 the whole thing seems "unofficial" including teh doco :p Apr 19 06:36:49 there's a link to instruction numbers on the beagle list that you can use to fill in more missing isns Apr 19 06:38:01 yep Apr 19 06:38:57 having the mac insn will sure help for any function generator app Apr 19 06:40:03 koen: the rogue instructions! Apr 19 06:41:18 mranostay, don't wake up the rogues Apr 19 06:41:43 or the trolls Apr 19 06:42:43 http://pastebin.com/2y7uRRwA <- more pru info Apr 19 06:46:29 whats been up with the PRU Apr 19 06:46:31 koen, can't find the link to the instruction numbers Apr 19 06:46:42 I seem to recall a GSoC suggested project to "upstream support for PRU in AM335X"...would this be official TI or something else since all the doc I've seen is "unofficial"? Apr 19 06:47:03 ka6sox, TI doesn't want the support burden Apr 19 06:48:14 panto: pastebin above Apr 19 06:48:37 ah, missed it Apr 19 06:48:38 thx Apr 19 06:48:41 ka6sox: it would be for "the community" Apr 19 06:48:51 we ahve a GosC project approved in my other project Apr 19 06:49:01 but we are struggling to find a good student Apr 19 06:49:21 It woudl be nice if someone who had an interest in lighting also applied. Apr 19 06:49:26 do i qualify? :P Apr 19 06:49:39 mranostay: you know... i have irc at home too Apr 19 06:49:50 mranostay: and it happens at times, that i irc from home! Apr 19 06:50:13 ka6sox: yeah.. Apr 19 06:51:22 ka6sox: soekris is horrbly expensive (compared to others who do similar stuff)... and they are the first company i bought from, that called me an idiot publicly...multiple times... Apr 19 06:51:25 okay so that would be bb.org pushing this upstream? or the individuals? Apr 19 06:51:51 ouch...those folks aren't worth talking to :P Apr 19 06:51:54 mranostay: are you a student Apr 19 06:52:32 ka6sox: definitly not... interstingly they have many zealots that will hunt down anyone who voices some critic on those god sent products Apr 19 06:52:45 really weird stuff Apr 19 06:52:57 mrpackethead: heh some people here would say so :P Apr 19 06:53:10 but no i'm not enrolled in classes Apr 19 06:53:14 mrpackethead: even av500 is a student Apr 19 06:53:18 * ka6sox whistles... Apr 19 06:53:30 i'm a student of life. Apr 19 06:53:38 and this week has been a hard week of learning Apr 19 06:53:47 COL:SOHK Apr 19 06:53:54 been studying at teh school of hard knocks Apr 19 06:53:55 mrpackethead: yeah somehow i can't put in the education part of applications :) Apr 19 06:54:34 ka6sox: c'est quoi a? Apr 19 06:54:55 english mofo do you speak it? Apr 19 06:55:12 no, je ne parle pas Apr 19 06:55:23 english mofo do you speak it? Apr 19 06:55:36 no, je ne parle pas Apr 19 06:55:41 so what again i double dare you Apr 19 06:55:53 mrpackethead: what other project? Apr 19 06:55:55 hi florian Apr 19 06:56:13 good morning Apr 19 06:56:15 http://www.opendmx.net/index.php/Open_Lighting_Project Apr 19 06:56:16 * KotH hopes we do not have any french natives here... Apr 19 06:56:17 KotH, College of Life: School of Hard Knocks Apr 19 06:56:33 ok, so who's modmaker? Apr 19 06:56:48 it's bas? Apr 19 06:56:48 panto: the best PRU assembler Apr 19 06:56:50 * mrpackethead struggles to translate into mandarin. Apr 19 06:57:11 mranostay, err, he mentions a mac insn Apr 19 06:57:22 Vadtec needs to fix his/her fucking connection Apr 19 06:57:46 大学生活 Apr 19 06:57:46 学校的坏运气 Apr 19 06:58:02 christ Apr 19 06:58:16 morning av500 Apr 19 06:58:22 ahoi Apr 19 06:58:36 that does'nt not translate well Apr 19 06:58:42 polloi Apr 19 06:58:44 * mranostay gets ready to stab Vadtec Apr 19 06:59:01 * koen hands mranostay a dull, rusty knife Apr 19 06:59:26 * mrpackethead hands mranostay a vile of infestation Apr 19 06:59:41 jkridner: you here, can you use your boot Apr 19 07:00:02 panto, I'm going to have to learn exactly how the pru works for interrupty things before I can finish this design Apr 19 07:00:06 motherfucker.... Apr 19 07:00:17 it may not be his mother's fault Apr 19 07:00:23 maybe Apr 19 07:00:31 ka6sox, clone that package Apr 19 07:00:31 who is op? Apr 19 07:00:36 ka6sox: ah.. thanks! Apr 19 07:00:39 probably part of a bot-net, trying to get a net-split Apr 19 07:00:42 there's an example of PRU to PRU interrupt there Apr 19 07:00:49 nobody... great Apr 19 07:01:02 panto: my nixie clock *ahem* :) Apr 19 07:01:07 jkridner: is an op Apr 19 07:01:07 the one you showed me a few minutes? Apr 19 07:01:11 mranostay, :) Apr 19 07:01:13 yes Apr 19 07:01:28 however my PCB doesn't work atm :/ Apr 19 07:01:40 ......... Apr 19 07:02:06 * mranostay stabs Vadtec in absentia Apr 19 07:02:11 * mranostay stabs Vadtec in absentia repeatly Apr 19 07:02:17 * dm8tbr thinks *!~Vadtec@* needs a timeout Apr 19 07:02:29 mrpackethead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahoy_(greeting) Apr 19 07:02:57 av500: huh Apr 19 07:03:05 ahuh? Apr 19 07:03:21 panto, where you see that example? Apr 19 07:03:31 mrpackethead: never mind :) Apr 19 07:04:12 picture in the newspaper: "We lost our jobs and can't afford food anymore" in the corner there's a full ashtray and dad is smoking a cigarette while the picture was taken Apr 19 07:04:44 I bet you can buy food if you stop buying cigarettes Apr 19 07:04:59 esp in New Zelaand Apr 19 07:05:06 koen, is that .gr photo? Apr 19 07:05:14 Cigarets are $20/pack now ) Apr 19 07:05:19 whoa Apr 19 07:05:21 and will be $25 in June Apr 19 07:05:26 panto: yes Apr 19 07:05:27 mrpackethead: huh? Apr 19 07:05:28 i thought CA was bad Apr 19 07:05:29 cause it's close to home... Apr 19 07:05:34 panto: there's even a pantelis in there Apr 19 07:05:36 yup.. Super High taxe on them Apr 19 07:05:40 only $8 a pack here Apr 19 07:05:44 was that me? Apr 19 07:05:51 "with their sons Kosta and Pantelis" Apr 19 07:05:54 The legislaton is in Place, for NZ to be smoke free in 2025 Apr 19 07:05:57 no, too much hair Apr 19 07:06:04 we are in the phase out phase Apr 19 07:06:08 mrpackethead: rotfl Apr 19 07:06:09 interesting that there is no constant table entry for mcasp Apr 19 07:06:09 koen: they can still sell the hair for food Apr 19 07:06:15 bascially you are only allowd to smoke in your own home now Apr 19 07:06:16 panto: did like the 4 euro a pack in Greece :) Apr 19 07:06:16 mrpackethead: going the way of the prohibition? Apr 19 07:06:26 not allowed to smoke in public Apr 19 07:06:29 not at work Apr 19 07:06:31 mranostay, you know we produce tobacco here right? Apr 19 07:06:32 a ban on chimney smoke? Apr 19 07:06:37 not in bars/restrantuts Apr 19 07:06:46 assault smoking? Apr 19 07:06:49 people buy leaves in bag since they got too expensive Apr 19 07:06:49 * mranostay doesn't really smoke generally but only socially Apr 19 07:07:01 panto: eh... Apr 19 07:07:10 panto, here you could get arrested for that :P Apr 19 07:07:11 yeah, 20e for 5kg Apr 19 07:07:18 we are down to 6% of population smoking. Apr 19 07:07:26 same here, but if you're desperate for your fix Apr 19 07:07:38 mranostay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8762zEOkSo Apr 19 07:07:49 panto: my mothers uncles used to be tabaco farmers... until they got disowned for being "bourgeois" Apr 19 07:07:51 and honestly its pretty socially unaccetpabe now to light up Apr 19 07:08:07 chocolate is important Apr 19 07:08:22 av500: i hate you Apr 19 07:08:32 I think in Serbia maybe 6% are not smoking Apr 19 07:08:46 av500: hehe Apr 19 07:08:58 * KotH remembers how it was common to smoke in busses in .ch Apr 19 07:09:05 though, they might be smoking "socially" Apr 19 07:09:07 i still wonder how i could stand that smell Apr 19 07:09:19 mranostyle Apr 19 07:09:21 you think that's bad? Apr 19 07:09:35 I had to hitch a ride with a coworker for 5 years in his car Apr 19 07:09:46 last week a woman smoked in church - made me drop my beer Apr 19 07:09:48 and he smoked... a lot. Apr 19 07:10:00 now ofcourse he's quit Apr 19 07:10:09 *he has quitted Apr 19 07:10:09 too expensive? Apr 19 07:10:18 dad died of lung cancer :/ Apr 19 07:10:29 :-( Apr 19 07:11:04 that was a big jolt for him Apr 19 07:11:58 panto: what is with your EU'ians and smoking? Apr 19 07:12:13 used to be so cheap and acceptable Apr 19 07:12:15 i mean i smoke maybe 4 packs in a year Apr 19 07:12:39 I mean, without taxes a pack would cost what? 0.5e? Apr 19 07:12:55 same in the states Apr 19 07:14:37 panto, mranostay any objection to using any of the "unofficial" isns for this/ Apr 19 07:14:39 ? Apr 19 07:14:54 of course not Apr 19 07:15:00 are we asking TI for support? Apr 19 07:15:23 none asked, none expected. Apr 19 07:15:33 ka6sox: DADT Apr 19 07:15:35 yep, we're on our own Apr 19 07:15:50 i never worked for TI so i can't be sued for NDA or other crap :) Apr 19 07:15:53 koen, is that like YMMV? Apr 19 07:16:16 Dead As Doornails Tuesday? Apr 19 07:16:17 we had that policy here. Apr 19 07:16:43 don't ask, don't tell for the non-USians Apr 19 07:17:04 I did, but I had nothing to do with PRU at all Apr 19 07:17:44 I find the firmware() loader to be something that fascinates me. Apr 19 07:17:53 why? Apr 19 07:18:07 btw, I will rewrite the crap out of it btw Apr 19 07:18:17 it's too cumbersome for the stuff we need to do Apr 19 07:18:27 mdp's suggestions were right on the money Apr 19 07:18:47 okay Apr 19 07:19:40 we can work on with the pru loader as it is for now Apr 19 07:19:51 * panto looks at the time Apr 19 07:19:58 so since you guys know the isns better than me help me choose the best method for keeping the fifo's cleared and full. Apr 19 07:20:30 ka6sox, we haven't done a PRU app with such high b/w reqs. before Apr 19 07:20:47 looks like we'll have to experiment with the different options Apr 19 07:21:40 well...I can hook up EVERY PRU Pin to the CPLD and route things internally there...then we can decide how to signal later. Apr 19 07:21:59 sounds good Apr 19 07:22:21 ok, got to head out to grab groceries Apr 19 07:22:22 bbl Apr 19 07:22:57 laters panto Apr 19 07:25:15 the feta cheese delivery didn't come? Apr 19 07:25:42 fate pipe is clogged Apr 19 07:26:35 when I was in Albania we always waited for the truck from Greece to bring the Feta in. Apr 19 07:31:08 av500: wb big boy Apr 19 07:31:24 * av500 glares at netgear Apr 19 07:31:25 okay 1 pin left on the CPLD Apr 19 07:33:27 * netgear blinks Apr 19 07:35:34 * mranostay stabs netgear Apr 19 07:35:50 * mranostay then stabs KotH Apr 19 07:36:12 jonmasters: sorry to get blood on your suit :P Apr 19 07:49:59 mranostay, you done any SWD stuff? Apr 19 07:50:38 ooh, new OMAP5 TRM Apr 19 07:51:50 av500: oh.. omap5 survived the omapgedon? Apr 19 07:52:11 * KotH rises from the dead and haunts mranostay Apr 19 07:58:34 KotH: sort of Apr 19 07:58:44 KotH: omap5 is a subset of the dra7xx Apr 19 07:59:05 so for dra7xx bringup the omap5 evms are used Apr 19 08:03:33 oh.. didnt know Apr 19 08:03:40 koen: domo Apr 19 08:03:49 hmm...today is definitly friday Apr 19 08:04:20 we are here discussing how to dispose a human body completely.. at work... while a customer is sitting next to us Apr 19 08:08:34 is he the body? Apr 19 08:10:12 KotH, pigs ... Apr 19 08:16:20 ogra_: we agreed that a blast furnace would be the "cleanest" solution Apr 19 08:16:41 so much technical effort Apr 19 08:19:38 germany has many of those Apr 19 08:19:46 just stop by and throw your "trash" in Apr 19 08:20:17 germany is also full of pigs ... Apr 19 08:20:39 yeah.. but pigs are no good at disposing bones Apr 19 08:20:56 oh, they are ... just slower than a furnace i guess Apr 19 08:26:27 * av500 hearts gory offtopic on fridays :) Apr 19 08:28:03 shouldnt that be "av500 <3 gory offtopic on fridays :)" ;-) Apr 19 08:56:33 hi! Apr 19 09:09:47 moin Rotti Apr 19 09:19:08 is it possible to launch a script if a beaglebone cape is plugged in automatically at bootup (i.e. via udev), or should the script be run at every boot and check for the presence of a cape? Apr 19 09:19:59 Rotti, it's on our todo list (udev triggers) Apr 19 09:21:17 ah, thanks for the information, panto Apr 19 09:21:52 for now you can read the slots file and see what cape got loaded Apr 19 09:23:44 that's the way i was thinking of, for the moment... at the moment, there is anyway no eeprom yet... Apr 19 10:02:28 jkridner|work: I have a new idea for GSoC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI4oT3XNpoE Apr 19 11:03:07 that's lot of r-pi killers: http://iqjar.com/jar/an-overview-and-comparison-of-todays-single-board-micro-computers/ Apr 19 11:14:14 av500: wrong. so wrong. Apr 19 11:15:38 would have to be swimwear for summer Apr 19 12:06:04 moaning channel Apr 19 12:07:30 moaning is unwarranted Apr 19 12:07:33 tgif Apr 19 12:09:37 fair enough :) Apr 19 12:10:53 glorious day! Apr 19 12:11:03 mdp, sunny in the corn fields? Apr 19 12:11:13 warm rain Apr 19 12:11:23 does it have to be sunny to be a great day? Apr 19 12:12:12 I wish it would rain and wash all that pollen out Apr 19 12:12:23 you're weak Apr 19 12:12:37 yes, end of the weak Apr 19 12:12:43 you should eat the pollen and sh*t flowers Apr 19 13:16:36 koen: is CAN functioing with 3.8? I can't find such a section in dts files. Apr 19 13:21:23 argh! SNMP is beating me. Apr 19 13:21:54 net-snmp is not an even relatively easy program in integrate Apr 19 13:22:27 of course not, the s is for simple after all Apr 19 13:22:35 so there's no way it can actually be that Apr 19 13:24:11 off-topic question: have you ever heard of CCS being able to download source code from a finished board (which I have bought) ? Apr 19 13:24:21 huh? Apr 19 13:24:33 the seller is claiming that the development kit is stored on the board itself and that CCS is supposed to be able to "read" the files out of the hardware Apr 19 13:24:38 ? Apr 19 13:24:49 I didn't use CCS before but it sounds completely nuts Apr 19 13:25:03 of course it's possible to store the relevant files in onboard flash or so Apr 19 13:25:17 but it seems batshit insane to do so Apr 19 13:25:21 there is a flash on the board Apr 19 13:25:35 well this board *is* specifically for development Apr 19 13:25:48 still seems absurd Apr 19 13:26:09 normally you want the dev board to somewhat simulate the real thing Apr 19 13:26:18 nah :p Apr 19 13:27:31 does anyone also know if this ought to work (over an FTDI USB->UART made and delivered by the seller) with a 5.x CCS, even though the seller used 3.x on their end? Apr 19 13:28:00 if what ought to work? Apr 19 13:28:15 ftdi jtag? Apr 19 13:28:15 mru : reading relevant files from onboard flash Apr 19 13:28:21 no, plain uart Apr 19 13:28:28 using what protocol? Apr 19 13:28:31 exactly! Apr 19 13:28:55 is there some defacto standard thing that CCS always uses over COM ports? Apr 19 13:29:12 none that I've heard of Apr 19 13:29:22 but then I've steered clear of ccs as much as possible Apr 19 13:29:40 does the board boot? Apr 19 13:30:04 yes, I can use the vendor software to configure the board over the UART Apr 19 13:30:10 (the *same* UART that CCS is supposed to use) Apr 19 13:30:34 ok, so it's booting and talking some unspecified protocol Apr 19 13:31:06 out of curiosity, what is this board? Apr 19 13:31:15 it's a DSP board Apr 19 13:31:26 from where? Apr 19 13:31:32 CareBear\: what board? Apr 19 13:31:39 very small vendor Apr 19 13:31:51 I'm not sure what I can say about it Apr 19 13:32:01 but this CCS stuff is very very odd Apr 19 13:32:04 * mru feels like this warrants an entry on the do-not-buy list Apr 19 13:32:06 some old TMS320 thingy Apr 19 13:32:25 I think your seller is confused Apr 19 13:33:24 the board looks nice though, so they are doing *something* right Apr 19 13:33:36 what cpu? Apr 19 13:33:36 but this stuff of delivering devkit *on* the board is .. dunno Apr 19 13:34:38 lowpower c54x Apr 19 13:34:46 ah Apr 19 13:46:41 yegorich: there was a CAN driver submitted, dunno what happened to it Apr 19 13:58:00 koen: I've seen the driver Apr 19 13:58:21 koen: will try to create proper dts entry Apr 19 14:01:03 http://beeroclock.in/ Apr 19 14:07:18 wtf... customer contract demands a printed hardcopy of all written code.... Apr 19 14:07:25 s/written/used/ Apr 19 14:08:13 lol Apr 19 14:08:23 ask them if he can fax it in Apr 19 14:08:26 *you Apr 19 14:11:12 hehe Apr 19 14:11:34 reminds of an old story about a stupid customer Apr 19 14:11:51 he wanted us to send him a software update by fax Apr 19 14:11:57 is there any other kind? Apr 19 14:12:05 yes, extra-stupid Apr 19 14:12:14 usually not that stupid ^^^ Apr 19 14:12:19 av500: that's a subclass Apr 19 14:13:14 panto: maybe he expected a new tape for the turing machine Apr 19 14:13:45 mourning...there is NO coffee here... Apr 19 14:14:00 but there is going to be beer shortly over here... Apr 19 14:14:01 ka6sox: in the US? Apr 19 14:14:09 well, we kinda knew that Apr 19 14:14:54 mru, no, thats no real Beer in the US. Apr 19 14:15:04 also true Apr 19 14:15:26 the microbrews are sometimes good. Apr 19 14:16:56 I find that beer in the US has improved dramatically the last few years Apr 19 14:17:21 yeah, there are quite a few good ones from smaller breweries Apr 19 14:17:29 i find that exceeding the code size limit of your compiler suddenly lifts the pressure of the deadline Apr 19 14:17:45 panto: I have a can of budweiser, it did not improve at all over the last years Apr 19 14:17:51 KotH: input or output size? Apr 19 14:17:56 mru: output Apr 19 14:18:26 and limit is imposed by the _compiler_, not the target uc? Apr 19 14:18:35 linker imposed limit, yes Apr 19 14:18:54 using the silly size-limited version of the iar tools? Apr 19 14:18:57 yes Apr 19 14:19:04 our company can be cheap at times Apr 19 14:19:25 that's not cheap Apr 19 14:19:26 well.. now they've to pay 2500eur for the upgrade Apr 19 14:19:29 get a 30-day eval and code quickly :) Apr 19 14:19:34 that's suicidal Apr 19 14:19:45 what's the target? Apr 19 14:19:54 msp430fr5736 Apr 19 14:19:55 panto: I bet they have 2 PCs Apr 19 14:20:00 so 60days Apr 19 14:20:08 or hexpatch the compiler :p Apr 19 14:20:12 err binpatch Apr 19 14:20:20 cabbage patch Apr 19 14:20:29 I can do it for 200 beersoins Apr 19 14:20:31 get your sister's cousin's Kid to sign up for 30 days too. Apr 19 14:20:35 run it under wine and start fresh every month Apr 19 14:20:38 well.. i use the time productively to catch up with all the lwn issues i haven't read Apr 19 14:20:39 and fudge the clock Apr 19 14:21:05 we're so spoiled by gcc at least failing very rarely Apr 19 14:21:19 panto, sayz you Apr 19 14:21:21 in the old times compilers especially for micros were... crap Apr 19 14:21:28 they still are Apr 19 14:21:34 _all_ compilers are crap Apr 19 14:21:36 not that crap Apr 19 14:21:39 even the expensive Kiel ones :P Apr 19 14:21:39 panto: they still are, if they are not gcc Apr 19 14:21:46 crapilers Apr 19 14:21:52 panto: and even gcc is crap for anything not widely used Apr 19 14:21:52 I mean bad code generation crap, random compiler crashes crap Apr 19 14:22:08 I have high hopes for LLVM but alas it's C++ based Apr 19 14:22:09 gcc is probably the only compiler that gives you what you paid for Apr 19 14:22:10 * KotH points at hardwarbug.org Apr 19 14:22:23 panto: so is gcc now Apr 19 14:22:28 don't remind me Apr 19 14:22:30 and there are no hopes for llvm Apr 19 14:22:47 it would be more accurate to call it applecc Apr 19 14:23:00 time for google to fork it Apr 19 14:23:07 googlecc Apr 19 14:23:13 v8cc Apr 19 14:23:16 free, if you get to watch the ads Apr 19 14:23:28 it could print ads to the console while compiling Apr 19 14:23:34 and opera to immediately start using it Apr 19 14:23:35 eLLVMs Apr 19 14:24:01 hmm, that worked better for egcs Apr 19 14:24:06 LLVM 2.96 Apr 19 14:24:07 google or apple doesn't really matter Apr 19 14:24:17 we need FBcc Apr 19 14:24:24 both care only about a very narrow use case Apr 19 14:24:28 theirs Apr 19 14:24:37 they are like me then Apr 19 14:25:03 a real compiler vendor cares about whatever its customers need Apr 19 14:25:11 unfortunately there aren't any Apr 19 14:25:12 av500, the only diff is they have more money than you Apr 19 14:25:33 mru: vendor as in pay? Apr 19 14:25:51 that's optional Apr 19 14:26:58 ka6sox, weren't you the one complaining about emmc reset? Apr 19 14:27:47 yes Apr 19 14:27:58 an apple/google/fb-driven compiler has all the same problems as evil vendor kernel trees Apr 19 14:28:45 unless there is something else I'm missing...yes, I am concerned about blowing up things with the current arraingement. Apr 19 14:29:03 blowing stuff up is fun Apr 19 14:29:07 * mru should do it more often Apr 19 14:30:11 I have a solution though.... Apr 19 14:30:45 a pogo-pin extending down to the output of the eMMC reset OC device. Apr 19 14:31:08 facebook compiler? Apr 19 14:31:24 mdp, I think that was the inference Apr 19 14:31:35 think of the children Apr 19 14:31:51 it would start out strong and then fade into obscurity Apr 19 14:32:05 ka6sox, I have a solution Apr 19 14:32:14 panto, do tell... Apr 19 14:32:15 but I will need someone with a scope to test it out Apr 19 14:32:25 ok, I can has scope Apr 19 14:32:51 I can keep emmc at reset (after jumping over some hurdles) Apr 19 14:33:33 if no cape requests the pins, emmc gets loaded Apr 19 14:33:52 the question is what does keeping the emmc at reset does... Apr 19 14:34:42 so you don't need a pin or anything Apr 19 14:34:48 is uboot DT "aware"? Apr 19 14:35:05 nothing to do with uboot Apr 19 14:36:01 we can fix uboot to not touch mmc1 pins using a configuration option Apr 19 14:36:09 hi all.. there is a problem regarding hdmi output from my beagle board. The hdmi o/p is not viewed in my samsung led tv when i connect it with beagle board. what to do? Apr 19 14:36:55 you have a catch-22 if you are using emmc as your boot device...because the system comes out of reset and a cape can drive the pins and if you are attempting to use the same pins to read your bootloader code you have an issue. Apr 19 14:37:52 even 1 pin being wrong is enough to make it fail to boot. Apr 19 14:37:59 I know Apr 19 14:38:14 all the solution for using it, will require booting from external mmc Apr 19 14:38:29 *solutions Apr 19 14:38:48 yes, but the problem with that on current board revs is that its a PB not a slide. Apr 19 14:39:13 and I don't have thin enough fingers to get between a cape an the board to push it. Apr 19 14:39:29 so my pogopin solution solves that. Apr 19 14:39:51 hum, wait Apr 19 14:40:02 let say you do interfere with the boot from mmc1 Apr 19 14:40:14 shouldn't the rom switch over booting from external sd? Apr 19 14:41:20 new uses for a gps cape: http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Engineering/Far-out_space_navigation_from_sideways_satnav_signals Apr 19 14:41:20 depends on how the boot order pins are configured (and I haven't looked. Apr 19 14:42:22 KotH, this was why the US Gov't wanted all receivers to shut off once they got above a certain height. Apr 19 14:43:53 panto, that maybe be good solution for preventing it from not booting (assuming you have an SD) but does it solve the Magic Blue Smoke issue (in time) Apr 19 14:44:21 ka6sox, that's why he have you h/w engineers Apr 19 14:44:41 s/w can't fix all the problems of a bad h/w design as you well know :) Apr 19 14:45:07 * ka6sox did NOT say that :) Apr 19 14:46:12 okay, thats a possibility...at least it might not just HCF Apr 19 14:46:48 ka6sox: unfortunately, not all gps receiver manufacturerers are bound to the us gov Apr 19 14:46:51 :) Apr 19 14:46:53 panto, take that back Apr 19 14:47:03 it's well known we can fix everything in s/w Apr 19 14:47:17 I can't I just love HCF, my favorite instruction Apr 19 14:48:18 my favourite _real_ instruction has to be EIEIO Apr 19 14:48:23 KotH, I'm trading in my TFH for a Bunker.... I'm not sure that the NK's didn't wire up SDA/SCL right. Apr 19 14:49:16 eh.. Apr 19 14:49:35 ka6sox: i've seen devices explode... but unless it's a big ass capacitor, you're safe Apr 19 14:50:12 KotH, I have a "test chamber" but in light of recent events I hesitate to say what it is. Apr 19 14:50:38 ka6sox: test chamber for alien technology? ;) Apr 19 14:51:04 for things might let blue smoke out.... Apr 19 14:51:18 pressure cooker Apr 19 14:51:19 although its not as shiny as the Wolf Blitzer model. Apr 19 14:54:50 50 million Charbucks in Silicon Valley and I had to pick the one that has the "no water" issue :P Apr 19 14:55:15 no water? Apr 19 14:56:14 apparently the water main has an issue Apr 19 14:56:23 (or a leak someplace) Apr 19 14:56:35 ah Apr 19 14:57:24 and no...its not coffee..but rather hot caffienated dirt thrown in a cup with water. Apr 19 14:58:10 unles "no water" Apr 19 14:58:13 then its pure dirt Apr 19 14:58:23 you got it. Apr 19 14:59:19 the only thing palletable is the Blond roast...but asking for a "Tall Blonde" might get you slapped. Apr 19 15:00:17 panto, what do you want me to probe with the scope? Apr 19 15:00:38 ka6sox, not yet Apr 19 15:00:49 let's plan to do this on Monday Apr 19 15:01:05 still have some wtfs I'm hunting down Apr 19 15:01:25 monday is good...its almost Beer:30 there and I've not found anything resembling coffee yet Apr 19 15:12:24 wmat, you here? Apr 19 15:28:16 ka6sox: just got back Apr 19 15:29:06 wmat: from harvesting maple syrup? Apr 19 15:29:30 bradfa: i demand a #fuzzypicturefriday Apr 19 15:29:46 mranostay: no, I was checking my trap lines ;) Apr 19 15:33:22 wmat, does elinux.org have template forms? Apr 19 15:33:48 ka6sox: not formally, but you're welcome to write one Apr 19 15:33:54 okay..thanks Apr 19 15:34:27 * bradfa starts looking for things to fuzzy picture... Apr 19 15:34:29 just remember to protect the template, if you don't want anyone changing it Apr 19 15:35:04 * KotH calls it a friday Apr 19 15:35:09 have a nice weekend boys! Apr 19 15:35:23 ya, yesterday I had to illustrate a point about the insecurity of a piece of equipment... Apr 19 15:35:30 KotH, have a good weekend! Apr 19 15:35:47 and made the radios all over LA display "Kilroy was Here!" Apr 19 15:36:38 bradfa: you have a vintage camera phone you sell it to a hipster Apr 19 15:37:33 mranostay, let me take some pictures with my phone for you, you'll enjoy those even more than my others Apr 19 15:38:22 https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/556953_3430588292182_1848214623_n.jpg Apr 19 15:38:25 that's with my phone Apr 19 15:38:30 that's the "high res" setting Apr 19 15:38:36 of my crashed civic last spring Apr 19 15:38:53 pro-tip: don't drive a car Apr 19 15:39:30 at the track thats but a flesh wound.... Apr 19 15:40:06 +1 Apr 19 15:40:20 bradfa: looks artsy Apr 19 15:40:29 heh Apr 19 15:40:45 ka6sox, GEICO said it's a $14k wound Apr 19 15:40:51 bought me a new car Apr 19 15:40:56 nice Apr 19 15:41:01 and sent me to doctor for 3 months Apr 19 15:41:04 was fun Apr 19 15:41:06 true story Apr 19 15:41:13 you were sitting on the left fender? Apr 19 15:41:16 when it happened? Apr 19 15:41:29 May 2012 Apr 19 15:41:48 other driver crossed into my side of the road, he was going 40 mph in the other direction Apr 19 15:42:08 I had a pizza on the front seat prior to the crash, then I had a pizza full of glass on the floor Apr 19 15:42:31 did insurance replace the pizza? Apr 19 15:42:34 sadly, no Apr 19 15:42:44 useless insurance Apr 19 15:42:46 and I was hungry the rest of the day! Apr 19 15:43:04 bunch of savages in this town! Apr 19 15:44:07 almost lunch time! Apr 19 15:44:28 beer o'clock is rapidly approaching here Apr 19 15:44:34 hi wmat Apr 19 15:45:27 Hello, I have a C++ question, nothing spezial to the beagle, is it ok to ask here ? Apr 19 15:45:47 what makes you think we can answer? Apr 19 15:46:03 yay, beer:30 Apr 19 15:46:07 wmat: there's some spam on elinux (which apparently you submitted?) http://www.elinux.org/User:Redwqshhddel Apr 19 15:46:46 Turl: yeah, I banned that User already, but hadn't deleted their page yet. Thanks for the reminder. Apr 19 15:46:47 I got a lot of help here for my project, so I'm sure many of the people here know what they do Apr 19 15:47:12 many of us so much so that we don't use c++ Apr 19 15:48:11 what do you use? Apr 19 15:48:16 mdp: http://beeroclock.in/ Apr 19 15:48:46 c, assembly, shell, or whatever else is best suited Apr 19 15:50:06 k. Apr 19 15:50:17 wmat, yes! 5 more minutes! Apr 19 15:50:21 mru!!!eleven1 Apr 19 15:50:44 mdp: no drinking before noon? Apr 19 15:51:03 mranostay, bah Apr 19 15:51:09 mdp: might be a little early for me :/. EDT, afterall. Apr 19 15:51:14 I'm just following the website Apr 19 15:51:41 the website says there's another hour to go here Apr 19 15:51:43 figured that Apr 19 15:52:10 the app needs some work...need a .5L of weissbier option Apr 19 15:52:16 in the proper glass Apr 19 15:52:17 apparently it's devs start drinking at noon on Fridays Apr 19 15:52:31 well, in EDT anyway Apr 19 15:52:39 not that there's anything wrong with that... Apr 19 15:52:52 oh, I'm not judging ;) Apr 19 15:54:50 after a 23C temp day yesterday, it's to be -1C tomorrow. Where's the global warming when I need it? :( Apr 19 15:55:23 does doing battle with spec2k entitle one to a head start? Apr 19 16:11:43 wmat: why do people live in such weirdo places? Apr 19 16:11:55 <_av500_> beer Apr 19 16:11:58 howdy folks .. we just got a beagle bone :) has anyone interfaced with I2C? Apr 19 16:11:59 mranostay: talking about yourself? Apr 19 16:12:22 i was young and needed the money Apr 19 16:12:36 correction, you _are_ young Apr 19 16:12:46 dunno about the money Apr 19 16:13:05 clh, yes Apr 19 16:13:24 panto : did you write C code or something else? Apr 19 16:13:26 mranostay: I blame my parents. Apr 19 16:13:50 what kind of i2c peripheral do you want to access Apr 19 16:14:19 panto : we have a number of sensors we are wanting to talk to .. temp, for example Apr 19 16:14:52 I'm familiar with the linux I2C project, but seems like folks aren't using that Apr 19 16:14:55 if there's a linux driver for the i2c chip you can easily accesses via the standard linux mechanisms Apr 19 16:15:06 ah, well perfect .. that is what I was hoping Apr 19 16:15:38 even if there's not you can hack around with i2ctools Apr 19 16:15:41 panto: if there isn't, do I need to write a driver or are there generalized "drivers" that I would start with Apr 19 16:15:54 or just use some gpios Apr 19 16:16:06 Do they really make linux drivers for small sensor IC's? That seems a large leap between high and low level systems. Apr 19 16:16:13 don't mind the trolls, we have an infestation... Apr 19 16:16:23 shoo shoo mdp :) Apr 19 16:16:29 panto, ;) Apr 19 16:16:35 it *is* friday Apr 19 16:16:39 dotc, define high & low level systems Apr 19 16:16:42 tgif! Apr 19 16:16:55 I don't see such a distinction anymore Apr 19 16:17:02 I see good design, and bad design Apr 19 16:17:07 panto, any particular place you'd recommend a particular place to look for drivers, or just google it Apr 19 16:17:19 panto : I agree .. it's just linux and it's just a peripheral Apr 19 16:17:22 the linux driver sources have a sh*tton Apr 19 16:17:37 dotc : http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/I2CTools Apr 19 16:18:08 clh, that's when there's no driver and you access the i2c bus directly Apr 19 16:18:38 if you do have an i2c driver for linux it's best to use that Apr 19 16:19:58 here's a blog where a guy is connecting multiple I2C devices on the beagle bone http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/11/04/beaglebone-coding-101-i2c/ Apr 19 16:21:29 I would prefer to acess the I2C port directly. If I can read and write bytes through I2C, and set the bus speed, I can make my own driver. Apr 19 16:21:44 What is the best way to go about doing that? Apr 19 16:21:47 panto .. when you say "i2c driver" do you mean specifically for that sensor or the i2c-tools Apr 19 16:21:55 driver for that sensor Apr 19 16:22:00 that was my next question Apr 19 16:22:36 look, don't treat the bone as a grown up arduino Apr 19 16:22:41 panto .. if we are to make a driver, would we write directly to the registers from kernel land, or would we stay in user land and write through i2c-tools Apr 19 16:23:03 write kernel driver, it's trivial Apr 19 16:23:27 and when you do it, you can easily package everything in a cape, and have less things to worry about Apr 19 16:23:30 ok, cool Apr 19 16:23:38 banging values with i2ctool is good for quick hacks Apr 19 16:23:47 I like quick. Apr 19 16:23:50 but you will run into problems Apr 19 16:23:55 <_av500_> panto: like? Apr 19 16:24:02 <_av500_> other than your wrath Apr 19 16:24:27 like not being to use your device from any other standard linux tool Apr 19 16:24:55 i.e. you have a sensor? chances are there's a sensor device model you can use Apr 19 16:25:14 you can leverage code, and the diagnostics of said subsystem will work with a standard linux driver Apr 19 16:25:20 <_av500_> emacs, will emacs be affected? Apr 19 16:25:21 good point Apr 19 16:25:30 go your own way, and you'll get to re-invent the wheel again Apr 19 16:26:06 _av500_, emacs sensor mode will work with these drivers Apr 19 16:26:07 so you saved a couple of days upfront, and then you are married to your hack for the duration of your project Apr 19 16:27:15 and god help you if you do any other accesses on the same i2c bus to other devices concurrently Apr 19 16:27:21 (or beyond) Apr 19 16:27:54 and for god's sake, take a look at what it takes to write an i2c driver Apr 19 16:28:05 it's easier than using i2ctools Apr 19 16:28:47 panto .. do you know offhand a decent device we could use as an example? Apr 19 16:29:15 don't go for decent, go for one that's close to what you want to do Apr 19 16:29:58 panto .. ok. Apr 19 16:29:58 take the MPL115A2 IC for example. Apr 19 16:30:08 dotc : do you have a link to it? Apr 19 16:30:09 hi modmaker Apr 19 16:30:16 I was looking for you Apr 19 16:30:21 one second Apr 19 16:30:33 hi panto Apr 19 16:30:49 A link to what exatly? Apr 19 16:30:52 The datasheet? Apr 19 16:30:54 dotc .. looks like there is a driver for it here http://www.coocox.com/driver_comp/mpl115a2-c602.html?mc=1&sc=5 Apr 19 16:31:05 dotc: I found it with google Apr 19 16:31:20 panto : so in this case, would you recommend trying to use the driver first? Apr 19 16:31:41 clh, that's not a linux driver Apr 19 16:32:09 damnit Apr 19 16:32:23 it's C, and we can run that on the beaglebone Apr 19 16:33:09 dotc, no you can't Apr 19 16:33:21 <_av500_> D? Apr 19 16:33:21 just because it's C doesn't make it runnable Apr 19 16:33:43 drivers/misc/bmp085-i2c.c <- barometric pressure sensor Apr 19 16:33:52 running with letters ... Apr 19 16:33:58 just 84 lines Apr 19 16:34:26 which use the 478 lines of the generic driver :) Apr 19 16:34:36 thanks Apr 19 16:34:39 but the i2c overhead is just that, less than 100 lines Apr 19 16:34:41 <_av500_> its lines all the way down Apr 19 16:35:05 modmaker, what can you tell us about the missing PRU instructions? Apr 19 16:35:25 you mention MAC in the sources, but I can't find any reference for it anywhere Apr 19 16:36:19 panto: as far as I've seen thus far the TRM rev C is implemented Apr 19 16:37:09 I'm using the MAC heavily and it also seems to be working. Apr 19 16:37:26 what is this about problems with it then? Apr 19 16:38:24 IIRC I encountered a timing issue with one of the status or control bits. Apr 19 16:39:07 And I had some problems using it in multiply with accumulator mode, but that may be due to lacking documentation. Apr 19 16:39:28 ok, do you have that insn in the assembler? I don't seem to find it Apr 19 16:40:09 There is no separate instruction for the multiplier. It's a device connected to the bus used with XIN/XOUT etc. Apr 19 16:40:31 oh Apr 19 16:40:57 got an example how to use it? Apr 19 16:41:51 I see it in the c rev of the trm Apr 19 16:42:25 LDI R25.b0, #1 ; multiply & accumulate Apr 19 16:42:27 XOUT 0, R25, #1 ; set MAC mode: do multiply Apr 19 16:42:29 OR R0, R0, R0 ; carry is one cycle late, insert NOP Apr 19 16:42:31 XIN 0, R25, #1 ; fetch overflow / carry bit and result Apr 19 16:42:43 k, thanks Apr 19 16:43:18 This is a code snippet from my BIST routine that tests the multiplier to make sure it's ok. Apr 19 16:43:54 You'll find all the information you need in the TRM. Apr 19 16:44:26 yep, somehow I missed having the c rev Apr 19 16:45:30 From the lines above you also see a problem area: carry is late! Apr 19 16:45:51 <_av500_> ome Apr 19 16:45:52 <_av500_> omg Apr 19 16:46:00 <_av500_> https://semiaccurate.com/2013/04/19/archos-shakes-up-cell-phones-with-three-new-models/ Apr 19 16:47:10 no ubuntu one ? Apr 19 16:47:13 pffft ... Apr 19 16:47:14 _av500_, so you're actually working instead of chatting on the IRC all the time? Apr 19 16:47:28 <_av500_> yes Apr 19 16:47:44 <_av500_> ogra_: the ubuntu guy never returned my calls Apr 19 16:47:52 haha Apr 19 16:47:54 <_av500_> or was that the sailfish one Apr 19 16:47:59 <_av500_> or the FFos one Apr 19 16:48:03 <_av500_> or tizen? Apr 19 16:48:30 <_av500_> ogra_: but you can ad d3 models to your "we ported it" list Apr 19 16:48:34 <_av500_> add 3* Apr 19 16:51:16 well, do you have images to link ? Apr 19 16:51:50 panto : is it possible to telnet into the beaglebone? Apr 19 16:52:00 yes Apr 19 16:52:07 but you have ssh already running Apr 19 16:52:22 use ssh, it's more secure Apr 19 16:52:42 panto : how do I know the address? Apr 19 16:55:47 dotc, how do you know your PCs address? Apr 19 16:55:52 <_av500_> ogra_: no, I expect you to do the work Apr 19 16:55:58 <_av500_> and the article links a jpg image Apr 19 16:56:00 <_av500_> :) Apr 19 16:56:11 _av500_, so send me the devices and i will :) Apr 19 16:56:15 either you configure it manually, or you configure the dhcp server and nameserver Apr 19 16:58:42 no tizen support...fail Apr 19 16:59:42 <_av500_> yeah Apr 19 16:59:50 <_av500_> but then, we have key people at intel now Apr 19 16:59:56 <_av500_> so tizen should self port it Apr 19 17:00:05 <_av500_> self* Apr 19 17:00:18 famous irc people Apr 19 17:00:19 mranostay, get on it... Apr 19 17:00:27 you have till beer o'clock Apr 19 17:00:51 he said at 7pm ... Apr 19 17:01:32 panto, give him the appropriate "2 week" estimated amount of time Apr 19 17:02:03 <_av500_> well, with all the rain, what else is he gonna do anyway Apr 19 17:02:13 <_av500_> port himself senseless Apr 19 17:03:11 hey, it's portland Apr 19 17:03:19 the bagpipes don't play themselves you know Apr 19 17:03:25 where they make ports ... Apr 19 17:03:26 he'll be porting the kernel to x86 Apr 19 17:06:01 <_av500_> hmm, ibm to sell x86 server business to lenoro Apr 19 17:06:17 <_av500_> mranostay: kid, learn chinese! Apr 19 17:06:35 panto : I have gotten logged into my beagle bone … do folks typically setup a cross-compile toolchain, or compile on the device for simple things like the drivers we are going to make Apr 19 17:07:16 clh, for real development better use a cross compiling setup Apr 19 17:07:30 but for quick one-off, beat yourself silly on it Apr 19 17:10:17 <_av500_> compiling the kernel on the bone might take time Apr 19 17:11:15 I only compile quick little test apps for userspace on the target..I find that convenient..for testing the drivers Apr 19 17:13:01 panto: not in the Tizen division Apr 19 17:13:14 <_av500_> not yet Apr 19 17:13:18 mranostay, you think we care about reason over here? Apr 19 17:13:27 intel = tizen... Apr 19 17:13:31 tizen, tizen, tizen Apr 19 17:13:38 #tizenallthematts Apr 19 17:13:59 * mranostay feels like he will be whipping boy at #beagle for intel sillyness Apr 19 17:14:11 <_av500_> er, yes Apr 19 17:14:17 yes Apr 19 17:14:23 <_av500_> but secretly you will laugh at us Apr 19 17:14:47 no more uboot madness Apr 19 17:14:50 you do know Intel has 100k employees Apr 19 17:14:52 only uefi niceness Apr 19 17:15:55 mranostay, we don't care, you're a nice juicy target Apr 19 17:16:09 oh, and fix that pentium floating bug while you're at it Apr 19 17:16:15 <_av500_> juicy? Apr 19 17:16:17 <_av500_> bony Apr 19 17:16:42 <_av500_> mranostay: that nixie lure done? Apr 19 17:16:50 juicy in a matter of speech Apr 19 17:29:01 panto, thanks. what toolchain are you using? I see there is this cloud9 IDE Apr 19 17:29:17 that's nodejs (javascript) Apr 19 17:29:22 use angstrom's Apr 19 17:31:00 panto : thanks a lot .. it's been awhile since I've worked embedded .. last time was when you had to actually manually build a cross-compile toolchain Apr 19 17:31:28 you can still do it if you crave for it :) Apr 19 17:39:15 panto : no haha Apr 19 17:50:37 panto, mranostay you guys have any interest in SWD stuff? Apr 19 17:50:50 the 2/3 wire cortex debugger stuff? Apr 19 17:51:03 I guess so Apr 19 17:51:07 it's jtag isn't it? Apr 19 17:51:48 got to take off for 20 Apr 19 17:51:50 not really..some of it looks more akin to i2c with jtag like instructions embedded. Apr 19 17:54:24 let the PRU (get ready for it) bitbang this out :) Apr 19 17:57:39 ka6sox: I haven't spoken to darren in a few days, any updates on audio? Apr 19 17:57:46 hdmi audio, that is Apr 19 17:59:22 I got an update the other day from him, haven't seen the code yet. Apr 19 17:59:33 I should have asked him then. Apr 19 17:59:47 he had a pretty hacked DRM for it iirc... Apr 19 18:51:00 jkridner|work: pissst Apr 19 18:51:06 jkridner|work: video - https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/EiUTqvvuMF4 Apr 19 18:51:06 ? Apr 19 18:55:43 * koen waits for mr Thorogood to file a DMCA takedown request Apr 19 18:56:10 lol Apr 19 18:56:14 koen: hehe already received Apr 19 18:56:17 already blocked ;) Apr 19 18:56:19 koen: hehe Apr 19 18:56:33 oh the magic of computers Apr 19 18:58:01 <_av500_> prpplague: cant wathc your vid Apr 19 18:58:05 <_av500_> has EMI music Apr 19 18:58:27 _av500_: yea removing it now Apr 19 18:58:37 it's far use, but oh well Apr 19 18:58:51 <_av500_> fair use? Apr 19 18:59:09 ya, but then you have to fight them :p Apr 19 18:59:11 <_av500_> you willing to go up to the SCOTUS? Apr 19 18:59:47 kay time to drive...too many kms to go before I sleep. Apr 19 19:00:06 EMI vs. Zipper ... Fight! Apr 19 19:01:28 mdp: hehe Apr 19 19:02:08 prpplague: you're removing the video? Apr 19 19:02:31 I suppose I shouldn't share it then Apr 19 19:02:34 wmat: re-uploading without the audio Apr 19 19:02:39 wmat: already removed Apr 19 19:03:43 didn't expect a problem since it should be under fair use terms Apr 19 19:04:19 * mranostay calls the FBI on prpplague Apr 19 19:04:30 if you see something say something Apr 19 19:04:33 youtube robocheck doesn't care about fair use Apr 19 19:04:44 koen: yea seems so Apr 19 19:04:47 <_av500_> yeah Apr 19 19:07:17 bbl Apr 19 19:07:36 fair use has a grey area that youtube doesn't care to straddle :) Apr 19 19:16:40 prpplague: why did you take it down? Apr 19 19:17:00 ah, the music Apr 19 19:17:12 jkridner|work: uploading without the music now Apr 19 19:17:31 jkridner|work: it was fair use, but no need for trouble Apr 19 19:17:52 heh Apr 19 19:19:12 * prpplague suspects he can find a song from the 18th century about some sort of bone that is in the public domain, hehe Apr 19 19:28:25 alan_o: It didnt work Apr 19 19:30:57 jkridner|work: https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/NEtZ9GyKfMN Apr 19 19:31:01 jkridner|work: audio removed Apr 19 19:31:10 time to go now Apr 19 19:31:12 g'night Apr 19 19:33:46 * prpplague waits for a bill for $450,000 bill Apr 19 19:34:43 heh Apr 19 19:51:07 jkridner|work: would you like some bacon? https://plus.google.com/101339419642360856354/posts/Ci1DDtL7F6j Apr 19 19:52:58 * NishanthMenon hears the bacon word and goes into zombie state shouting "bacccoon.." Apr 19 19:55:10 ^ Apr 19 20:01:21 NishanthMenon wins 2 internets for thinking the same thing I was. Apr 19 20:01:35 Shadyman, hehe ;) Apr 19 20:03:06 koen: around? Apr 19 20:12:20 alan_o: yes Apr 19 20:14:00 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/PXrkFg Apr 19 20:14:00 kernel/3.8 77fea46 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add hdmi patches... Apr 19 20:23:45 hey guys can i connect beagle bone using soley ethernet cable? Apr 19 20:25:30 koen: I was helping thaha last night get a -xM going and wasn't sure which combination of files on http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ was the right set to use for -xM Apr 19 20:25:37 koen: since some say -beagleboard Apr 19 20:26:16 alan_o: hi, it still didnt work yesterday Apr 19 20:26:19 koen: he's getting stuck at uncompressing.... iirc. Apr 19 20:27:12 alan_o: all the binaries work on both Apr 19 20:27:30 but check the console= settings Apr 19 20:27:34 that changed between kernels Apr 19 20:27:40 aslan_o: I wanted to get the output on serial console Apr 19 20:28:02 koen: how do I change the console settings? Apr 19 20:29:33 thaha: I'd try the latest everything then. Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beagleboard.rootfs.tar.bz2 with MLO, u-boot.img Apr 19 20:30:01 thaha: make sure console is ttyO2 Apr 19 20:30:25 where should I look for that? Apr 19 20:30:35 it's in the command line passed to the kernel Apr 19 20:30:39 passed from uboot Apr 19 20:30:47 so i have to edit the uboot ? Apr 19 20:30:50 part of the u-boot environment Apr 19 20:31:03 or change the script Apr 19 20:31:19 xM has only MLO and u-boot.img right? Apr 19 20:31:32 not sure what that means Apr 19 20:31:47 which of these should i change? is a change possible? Apr 19 20:31:47 MLO is x-loader, u-boot.img is the bootloader that loads the kernel. Apr 19 20:32:07 Those are binareis Apr 19 20:32:11 binaries Apr 19 20:32:14 you don't change them Apr 19 20:32:22 ermmm.... which script should i edit for ttyO2? Apr 19 20:32:28 yeah ... thats why i was confused :) Apr 19 20:32:29 but from the u-boot command line, make sure ttyO2 is the console Apr 19 20:32:38 Ther'es a script that it reads Apr 19 20:32:43 look at the environment in u-boot Apr 19 20:32:44 while it boots? Apr 19 20:32:47 printenv Apr 19 20:32:48 no Apr 19 20:32:49 printenv? Apr 19 20:32:54 ok Apr 19 20:32:54 yes Apr 19 20:32:59 ok will do that Apr 19 20:33:13 will download the latest binaries also Apr 19 20:33:36 alan_o: thanks... will update you after i finish it Apr 19 20:33:53 figure it out from there. You'll see commands in there that read a script. If you make that script (or if it's on the userland image, maybe in /boot) and/or edit it, you can make it so it will use ttyO2 every time Apr 19 20:34:07 but you can set it one-time from the command line easily too Apr 19 20:35:21 ok Apr 19 20:35:28 console=ttyO2,115200n8 Apr 19 20:35:32 ? Apr 19 20:36:07 modmaker: ping Apr 19 20:42:16 interesting, BBB reboot failed with ** File not found /bot/uImage ** after opkg upgrade Apr 19 20:44:48 prpplague wmat : hey there boys Apr 19 20:45:06 CareBear\: howdy Apr 19 20:47:36 * wmat reflashes Apr 19 20:55:53 What is segmentation error when i run PRU stuff Apr 19 21:03:47 thaha: something like that Apr 19 21:03:56 alan_o: who let you in here? Apr 19 21:04:27 * wmat gets his clippers Apr 19 21:04:31 mru left the door unlocked again Apr 19 21:05:14 * mranostay gets his shotgun Apr 19 21:06:51 alan_o: we don't like yer kind arounds here Apr 19 21:07:14 I thought we were the same kind.... Apr 19 21:07:28 mranostay: do you mean Floridians? Apr 19 21:08:12 yes Apr 19 21:08:23 oh, _that_ kind.... Apr 19 21:08:31 he isn't even from the cool part of Florida Apr 19 21:08:39 which part is that? Apr 19 21:08:40 which is just Miami and the rest sucks :P Apr 19 21:08:47 really? Apr 19 21:08:49 he speaks Midwest though Apr 19 21:09:47 wmat: you are one to talk, eh? :) Apr 19 21:09:52 you can have Miami :) Apr 19 21:10:41 * mranostay looks at hippie apartments in Portlandia Apr 19 21:11:17 the ending of an expression with eh should be mandatory everywhere Apr 19 21:11:39 is eh a preposition? :) Apr 19 21:11:48 eh Apr 19 21:12:56 wmat: a'boot? :) Apr 19 21:14:24 also proper Apr 19 21:14:27 dude Apr 19 21:16:46 that is a california accent Apr 19 21:17:05 lots of use of 'like' Apr 19 21:17:29 alan_o: still doesnt work Apr 19 21:18:18 It says Uncompressing Linux...done, booting the kernel Apr 19 21:18:54 printenv console gave the output : console=ttyO2,115200n8 Apr 19 21:21:18 thaha: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Kernel_-_Common_Problems_Booting_Linux Apr 19 21:22:48 printenv bootargs gave this .....## Error: "bootargs" not defined :O Apr 19 21:23:22 thaha: it might not be called bootargs Apr 19 21:23:34 ok Apr 19 21:23:35 think of all that environment stuff as scripts Apr 19 21:25:13 thaha: I've done this before on -xM http://dpaste.com/1065393/ Apr 19 21:25:29 but I'm booting from a uImage on the FAT partition Apr 19 21:25:54 ok Apr 19 21:26:01 I have a uImage in /boot/ Apr 19 21:27:22 alan_o: I think I can safely assume Cuase#2 and Cause#3 to be not causing this Apr 19 21:27:28 since I am using the given files Apr 19 21:29:35 koen: are you going to update http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ with the 4.13 image? Apr 19 21:31:46 Can I change the parameter defaultdisplay=dvi to defaultdisplay=serial? Apr 19 21:46:10 * mranostay hurls a orange at alan_o Apr 19 21:48:15 That's apparently what kids in Davenport, FL do. We got hit driving through there one night. Kids with nothing to do on a weekend night I suppose. Apr 19 21:54:59 hey, on the beaglebone Apr 19 21:55:49 is there a way to find CPU temperature via the /sys or /proc or any other interface??? Apr 19 21:56:18 well, I'd be interested in any other built-in sensors also ... Apr 19 21:57:07 CPU temperature comes is something of the top of my head really .. Apr 19 22:05:50 spruh73h (am335x trm) out Apr 19 22:20:36 alan_o: what rebels Apr 19 22:40:11 i don't see any dsp related porkect in this year list of gsoc.is there no dsp core in beaglebone next? Apr 19 22:41:44 alan_o: I finally got Angstrom to boot on my revC.... downloaded another image from circuitco and it worked out of the box.... Nothing from the Angstrom Beagleboard demo worked Apr 19 22:42:03 Thanks for all your help.... still i dont know why it wouldnt work Apr 19 22:43:30 no problem. Sorry we couldn't get the angstrom images booting for you :( Apr 19 22:47:30 any thoughts on CPU temperature question? Apr 19 22:48:11 errordeveloper: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OMAP35x_Technical_Reference_Manual_%28TRM%29 Apr 19 22:48:28 errordeveloper: not sure what sensors are available or how to access them, but the TRM does. Apr 19 22:48:37 oh wait Apr 19 22:48:38 wrong one Apr 19 22:49:10 errordeveloper: http://www.ti.com/product/am3359 Technical Reference Manual Apr 19 22:55:09 alan_o: http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73h/spruh73h.pdf Apr 19 22:55:35 yeah ... I'm looking into that now Apr 19 22:56:28 yes, that's the one I sent you :) Apr 19 22:57:45 Anyone familiar with using the STM (system trace macrocell)? Apr 19 22:57:52 alan_o: nothing seems to be exposed via /sys or /proc on Linux thouhg ... Apr 19 22:58:37 errordeveloper: I'm not even sure what sensors are available on the CPU, if any Apr 19 23:00:28 Doing some research on this, but just would like to know if wondering before I setup if reading the ETB messages requires a debugger with STM port access. Apr 19 23:00:35 alan_o: i though any CPU these days has the thermometer though... Apr 19 23:00:44 maybe Apr 19 23:00:46 check the TRM Apr 19 23:02:20 STM? not the ETM? Apr 19 23:04:12 ds2: don't know much about ETM. Can you elaborate? Apr 19 23:04:33 that's the debugging unit on ARM cores to let you look at the instruction history Apr 19 23:04:38 is that the part you are referring to? Apr 19 23:05:12 ds2: yes, ETM is a part of the overall STM arch Apr 19 23:05:14 http://www.arm.com/products/system-ip/debug-trace/trace-macrocells-etm/coresight-system-trace-macrocell.php Apr 19 23:05:37 I guess that is what is used for the non-intrusive instruction tracing in the core Apr 19 23:05:43 yes Apr 19 23:05:51 it requires a $$$$$ debugger to grab that Apr 19 23:06:40 a dollar debugger? Apr 19 23:06:57 and the Beagle's don't bring out the signals for that either Apr 19 23:08:50 sorry timed out, only http access in wife's university so I'm stuck with this for now :) Apr 19 23:09:10 ds2: Last I read was the "$$$$" bit Apr 19 23:09:41 only other thing I said was - Apr 19 23:09:43 and the Beagle's don't bring out the signals for that either Apr 19 23:10:54 so what you're saying is ETB cannot be accessed directly (through memory reads etc) even though is essentially a buffer. Apr 19 23:11:03 and getting access to it requires a costly debugger. Apr 19 23:11:35 yes Apr 19 23:12:11 ok, thx Apr 19 23:12:21 costly is relative... last year there were some offerings in the $3K range Apr 19 23:12:29 it used to be like $10K+ Apr 19 23:13:10 TI's CCS team is actually working on some userspace tools to ship ETB trace info through Ethernet or UART to avoid going through the JTAG/STM ports to fetch it.. Apr 19 23:13:38 so you can just dump the ETB into a trace file or the like, and import it into a debugger. Apr 19 23:16:35 ds2: that'll be useful and wouldn't require a $$$$ debugger Apr 19 23:17:17 only limiting you by the ETB space though (debuggers would have much more) Apr 19 23:18:08 ds2: this one can do STM: http://www.spectrumdigital.com/product_info.php?products_id=249 Apr 19 23:19:33 that'd would be cool Apr 19 23:19:55 oh just $1K Apr 19 23:20:28 I wonder if this is the same as the ETM Apr 19 23:20:35 cuz it says 'selected TI devices' Apr 19 23:21:59 ds2: the link I pointed you to is for "System Trace Macrocell (STM)". If you click on the block diagram, it shows you ETM as a part of it. My understanding is ETM is what monitors the core Apr 19 23:22:11 and stores it in a mailbox Apr 19 23:22:28 and then that sends the trace data to the ETB for later collection (or for shipping through JTAG to the emulator) Apr 19 23:22:43 the ETM that I know about requires special pins Apr 19 23:22:48 you can see those pins on the datasheet Apr 19 23:22:52 ETM_DTK ors omething like that Apr 19 23:22:57 damn, X on my A4 BBB is almost unusable Apr 19 23:27:17 ds2: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/XDS560v2_System_Trace#Target_Board_Connector_Requirements Apr 19 23:27:37 "20 pin compact TI connector can be used for System Trace as it has 4 pins for data and 1 pin for clock (EMU0-5)." Apr 19 23:28:59 Only EMU pins are required Apr 19 23:29:05 Probably what you're referring to is for older devices. Apr 19 23:29:29 For system trace, even just 2 pins could be enough. Apr 19 23:29:37 same wiki page, "TI 14 pin can be used, but can only carry 1 pin data and 1 pin clock (EMU0/1)" Apr 19 23:31:35 think you said the magic word Apr 19 23:31:43 TI connector not the stock ARM connector Apr 19 23:34:41 what I vaguely recall was a mictor so something connector is involved Apr 19 23:35:24 right Apr 19 23:35:54 but from hardware standpoint, EMU0 and 1 are both connected to ft2232 on a beaglebone Apr 19 23:36:14 Oooooh... Apr 19 23:36:21 you submitting patches for openocd ? :D Apr 19 23:36:54 no I was just implying that the signals for system trace are indeed brought out on a beaglebone :P Apr 19 23:37:22 but that is the natural next step Apr 19 23:38:54 :) Apr 19 23:39:07 it'd make a nice ELC2014 presentation! Apr 19 23:39:07 once I understand all this, why not Apr 19 23:40:34 hehe Apr 19 23:41:46 does the date info is reset when a beagleboard is re-powered? I could test it by myself but I don't have the beagle with me right now. maybe someone knows the answer without trying it? Apr 19 23:42:50 yes, unless you add a battery for the RTC. Apr 19 23:43:04 jkridner|work, thank you Apr 19 23:43:15 beagleboard and beagleboard-xm have a place to add a battery. beaglebone does not. Apr 19 23:43:29 besides the fact that it is broq on the bone? :D Apr 19 23:47:54 I would like to ask a question regarding the SPI signal on http://i.stack.imgur.com/LXtjF.png would anyone know why the MOSI goes to zero a half cycle before the actual data is written on the bus? If it does not go to zero, would it cause any trouble? Apr 19 23:50:40 and does it have to go to zero on all SPI devices? Apr 20 01:19:57 is there a list of i2c addresses the beaglebone uses Apr 20 01:20:05 or can i trust what comes out of i2cdetect? Apr 20 01:20:52 seems like a silly omission from the reference manual, and the schematic... :-| Apr 20 01:21:40 although, reading datasheets for addressing modes for random ics is fun :P Apr 20 01:22:31 you'd kinda assume all this stuff would have been put on the hidden i2c-2 Apr 20 01:22:46 especially since there aren't any address conflicts Apr 20 01:26:17 i2c bus speeds are not always equal/equally supported Apr 20 01:30:55 i love to find the i2c bus speeds documented somewhere, too! Apr 20 01:31:14 you did read the original I2C specs from the originators, right? Apr 20 01:39:58 ds2: yes, but what does that have to do with finding the beaglebone bus speed documented somewhere? Apr 20 01:40:15 so...i only see two ic's connected to i2c. pmic and an eeprom. Apr 20 01:40:43 guessing all these others are kernel drivers expecting something interesting at a fixed address? Apr 20 01:41:58 and, i'm assuming there's no way of listing kernel modules responsible. :-\ Apr 20 01:42:49 and, guess i'll go grab my scope to measure this bus speed. :-\ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 20 02:59:57 2013