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Apr 20 03:22:47 <Russ> ds2, were you planning on going with batchpcb?
Apr 20 03:30:12 <mranostay> why batchpcb?
Apr 20 03:30:40 <Russ> dunno, he didn't like oshpark because it requires google checkout or paypal
Apr 20 03:30:55 <Russ> and I just saw that oshpark has absorbed batchpcb
Apr 20 03:31:09 <mranostay> who doesn't have a paypal account
Apr 20 03:31:10 <mranostay> ?
Apr 20 03:31:14 <Russ> ds2
Apr 20 03:31:40 <mranostay> weirdo
Apr 20 03:39:38 <Turl> avoiding paypal is not that bad of an idea really
Apr 20 03:41:16 <Turl> as someone said once, "PayPal have all the power of a bank and yet none of the responsibility."
Apr 20 04:19:16 <mranostay> banks have responsibility?
Apr 20 04:19:31 <mranostay> i seem to remember them #@$@#$ up the US in 2008
Apr 20 04:29:20 <Turl> heh
Apr 20 04:29:27 <Turl> mranostay: more than paypal I'd say
Apr 20 04:29:41 <mrpackethead> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bPhnUNzYWg  <--- beagle makes lights go.
Apr 20 04:29:58 <Turl> paypal can freeze your account with any random excuse
Apr 20 04:34:32 <mrpackethead> I've processed  > $300,000 in sales on Paypal, and not had any problems with it
Apr 20 04:34:36 <mrpackethead> I get my money
Apr 20 04:34:39 <mrpackethead> cusstomers get their goods
Apr 20 04:34:59 <mrpackethead> I guess your experiences vary.
Apr 20 04:35:08 <mrpackethead> I've had a better run that with my VISA
Apr 20 04:37:47 <Turl> mrpackethead: I paid for a home tplink router and had my account frozen.
Apr 20 04:38:33 <Turl> mrpackethead: then after talking with them and supplying all the info they requested they unfroze it, so I go and pay for the router again (they reverted the transaction)
Apr 20 04:38:44 <Turl> they go and freeze it again ~.~
Apr 20 04:39:44 <Turl> eventually I got them to unfreeze it again and was able to pay on the 3rd try
Apr 20 04:40:04 <Turl> but ever since I try to avoid them wherever I can
Apr 20 05:29:14 <ka6sox> mourning
Apr 20 05:29:34 <ka6sox> 555kms later...
Apr 20 05:30:15 <_av500_> ahoi
Apr 20 05:30:39 <ka6sox> hiya av500
Apr 20 05:31:02 <ka6sox> Happy Saturday!
Apr 20 05:31:40 <dm8tbr> moooo
Apr 20 05:32:53 <rtdin> Hello,
Apr 20 05:33:48 <ka6sox> hola
Apr 20 05:33:54 <rtdin>  I am interested in working on sysfs entries for IIO and PWM for GSOC'13. I have complete the Hello World project. Any pointers on what need to be done will be helpful.
Apr 20 05:34:05 <ka6sox> paging ds2....
Apr 20 05:35:13 <ka6sox> rtdin, ds2 is your Man...but he may not be around at this point.
Apr 20 05:35:34 <rtdin> ka60x okay. I will wait to talk to him
Apr 20 05:36:28 <rtdin> ka60x i have also posted in Google groups.
Apr 20 05:38:03 <ka6sox> rtdin, good plan
Apr 20 05:38:11 <ka6sox> rtdin, what TZ are you in?
Apr 20 05:39:17 <rtdin> ka60x i am in India
Apr 20 05:39:23 <ka6sox> kk
Apr 20 06:51:52 <mrpackethead> all quiet.
Apr 20 07:00:43 <ka6sox> happy caturday!
Apr 20 07:25:17 <_av500_> +1
Apr 20 07:30:10 <keesj> noooooooooooooooo
Apr 20 10:04:59 <hustcalm> jkridner, r u there?
Apr 20 10:37:57 <hustcalm> fine, I just want to talk about Bonescript on gsoc 2013. anyone got an Email of jkridner?
Apr 20 10:48:00 <anujdeshpande>  hustcalm you could use the mailing list
Apr 20 10:48:46 <hustcalm> ok, got our google-groups just now:)
Apr 20 14:55:26 <hitlin37> could anyone suggest some ideas related to code optimization for gsoc project.this has been done in the past and i found it interesting.
Apr 20 14:56:46 <_av500_> neon everything
Apr 20 14:56:56 <_av500_> neon.js
Apr 20 14:57:00 <mru> gcc has auto-vectorisation now
Apr 20 14:57:05 <_av500_> so its done
Apr 20 14:57:32 <hitlin37> :(
Apr 20 15:40:43 <ka6sox-away> llvm
Apr 20 15:51:41 <mru> ka6sox: what of it?
Apr 20 15:52:18 <ka6sox> better optimizations
Apr 20 15:52:47 <mru> elaborate
Apr 20 15:53:01 <ka6sox> not before coffee
Apr 20 15:53:13 * mru pours coffee over ka6sox 
Apr 20 15:53:28 <ka6sox> thanks... :P
Apr 20 15:57:00 <mru> so about llvm...
Apr 20 15:57:17 <mru> is it better, or would you like it to become better?
Apr 20 15:57:29 <mru> and if the former, than what?
Apr 20 15:59:16 <ka6sox> I've had better luck with llvm building some things
Apr 20 15:59:40 <ka6sox> I'm having trouble building webkit in less than 4GB of ram for linking so going to try Gold.
Apr 20 16:01:43 <mru> llvm is mostly on par with gcc
Apr 20 16:01:53 <ka6sox> I need another cup of coffee...I'm rambling on more than usual.
Apr 20 16:03:30 <ka6sox> for now I care about x86 and armv7 so it should be good for that.
Apr 20 16:04:36 <mru> yes, they are mostly equal for those targets
Apr 20 16:05:03 <mru> different bugs of course
Apr 20 16:10:28 <ka6sox> java on embedded systems needs to DIAF...takes something that is already horribly slow...and makes it crawl...like a thirsty man in a desert...:p
Apr 20 16:11:12 <bzyx> Hi, I'm interested in GSoC idea "Library of Arduino-compatible functions for Linux" is any mentor here?
Apr 20 16:12:27 <ka6sox> bzyx, who are the "possible mentors"?
Apr 20 16:12:59 * mru can be tormentor
Apr 20 16:13:04 <bzyx> ka6sox: wiki says Jason Kridner, Dave Anders
Apr 20 16:15:23 <ka6sox> neither one Present or Accounted for.
Apr 20 16:16:04 <ka6sox> bzyx, what TZ are you in?
Apr 20 16:16:14 <mru> I suppose we'll just have to impersonate them then
Apr 20 16:16:36 <bzyx> UTC+02, CEST
Apr 20 16:16:46 <mru> jkridner should be easy, just insert javascript or node.js every few words :)
Apr 20 16:17:46 <bzyx> ka6sox: can you give their nicknames?
Apr 20 16:17:52 <nate_> i see the new beaglebone black is now up on the website. do we have news on actual price / availability yet?
Apr 20 16:18:53 <ka6sox> jkridner, prpplague
Apr 20 16:19:29 <bzyx> ka6sox: thaks :)
Apr 20 16:19:32 <ka6sox> nate_, what is the date?
Apr 20 16:20:16 <nate_> april 20th
Apr 20 16:21:04 <ka6sox> sorry, I just got back from Silicon Valley where they live in a time warp.
Apr 20 16:21:54 <hitlin37> ka6sox: what is time wrap?
Apr 20 16:22:22 <ka6sox> hitlin37, thats probably more accurate than what I said.
Apr 20 16:22:33 <nate_> is more information coming at a later date? didn't see anything on the official site. haven't received any emails about the pre-purchase registrations or anything
Apr 20 16:22:54 <ka6sox> wasn't there some announcement on the 19th?
Apr 20 16:23:40 <mru> maybe it was all a scam
Apr 20 16:25:03 * ka6sox hands mru a PLA printed hat.
Apr 20 16:30:55 <mranostay> morning
Apr 20 16:31:09 <mru> who let the troll in?
Apr 20 16:31:58 <mranostay> other trolls
Apr 20 16:32:20 * _troll_ hides
Apr 20 16:39:03 <_av500_> jkridner|work is one
Apr 20 16:39:08 <_av500_> oops
Apr 20 16:39:15 <mru> troll?
Apr 20 16:39:15 <_av500_> darn scrollback
Apr 20 16:39:20 <mru> trollback
Apr 20 16:39:26 <ka6sox> beat me to it
Apr 20 16:39:36 <_av500_> trollfast
Apr 20 16:42:12 <ka6sox> _av500_, trollfest is more like it.
Apr 20 16:54:26 <ka6sox> _av500_, you are featured in a number of hardwarebugs... thats a very funny site
Apr 20 16:54:48 <_av500_> ?
Apr 20 16:55:00 <_av500_> yu mean 26+2+6=54?
Apr 20 16:55:00 <mru> I guess he means 26-26-54
Apr 20 16:56:44 <ka6sox> yes
Apr 20 16:56:46 <ka6sox> that one
Apr 20 16:57:00 <ka6sox> * av500 wants a powdered hub
Apr 20 16:57:18 <ka6sox> is that like a powdered donut?
Apr 20 16:57:45 <mranostay> one is useful
Apr 20 16:59:21 * mranostay is off to IKEA
Apr 20 16:59:48 <_av500_> you in portland already?
Apr 20 17:00:02 <_av500_> or returning your SF stuff?
Apr 20 17:14:16 <ka6sox> anyone here played with SWD?
Apr 20 17:17:49 <mranostay> not i
Apr 20 17:17:53 * mranostay is off to IKEA really now
Apr 20 17:18:11 <mru> mranostay: when will you really really be off?
Apr 20 17:29:28 <johannes____> I am trying to enable the spi bus in a standard angstrom image. I have read that i must patch the kernel, wich I have done (OpenEmbedded tutorial-way). Afterwards no Network, USB or anything is working until i activate it by hand. Do you have any good guide to patching SPI into the kernel?
Apr 20 17:34:19 <ka6sox> mru, he is *always* a little off...
Apr 20 18:28:18 <remustata> hello all. Is anybody here that can help me with some information about the gsoc projects you offer?
Apr 20 18:30:24 <ka6sox> remustata, what would you like to know?
Apr 20 18:32:35 <remustata> I am interested in applying and I want to know more about the sample hello program I must do as a test
Apr 20 18:32:54 <jkridner|work> announcement of availability / price is on the 23rd
Apr 20 18:33:16 <jkridner|work> ah, nate_ is gone.
Apr 20 18:33:49 <remustata> I do not own a beagleboard and I never used one but I have significant embedded programming experience
Apr 20 18:34:23 <jkridner|work> remustata: you can test with qemu
Apr 20 18:34:40 <remustata> yes
Apr 20 18:35:29 <jkridner|work> not much else to know... compile a hello world with your name in it and date to run on ARM.
Apr 20 18:35:43 <remustata> I would like to do the project with the CNC and 3D printer stepper motor Drivers, who should I contact?
Apr 20 18:36:22 <jkridner|work> I think the ideas page had some possible mentors...
Apr 20 18:36:47 <jkridner|work> you have to make an application and it is best to get with mentors ahead of time to flesh out the idea a bit.
Apr 20 18:36:54 <ka6sox> remustata, what are you intereseted in doing?
Apr 20 18:37:00 <jkridner|work> beagleboard-gsoc google group is a good way to contact potential mentors.
Apr 20 18:38:20 <ka6sox> (with the CND stuff
Apr 20 18:38:21 <ka6sox> )
Apr 20 18:38:28 <ka6sox> bleh..kant typ)
Apr 20 18:39:12 <remustata> ok
Apr 20 18:39:27 <remustata> I pretty much got the info I wanted
Apr 20 18:40:35 <ka6sox> if you are really interested I'll get the board into Fab for this.
Apr 20 18:41:21 <remustata> I need to read a bit more and try stuff out on the simulator before trying on the actual board
Apr 20 18:41:35 <ka6sox> okay understood.
Apr 20 18:41:48 <remustata> thanks again for the info
Apr 20 18:49:42 <anujdeshpande> jkridner|work, I was wondering about the Arduino compatible functions for Linux project. One would ideally implement and test all the libraries available for Arduino (Ethernet, SPI, Liquid crystal to name a few) on the beagle bone, and package them so that one could add them to /usr/lib. right ?
Apr 20 18:50:10 <jkridner|work> yes, exactly.
Apr 20 18:50:16 <jkridner|work> in a 'libarduino'.
Apr 20 18:50:34 <jkridner|work> Add a pkg-config file, and viola.
Apr 20 18:52:58 <anujdeshpande> so implementation+testing+packaging. Also, because of the testing part, should the scope include all the libraries available in Arduino ?
Apr 20 18:55:06 <anujdeshpande> I am actually not getting an idea of how big/small the project will be in terms of Gsoc timeframe
Apr 20 18:59:58 <anujdeshpande> jkridner|work, so implementation+testing+packaging. Also, because of the testing part, should the scope include all the libraries available in Arduino ? I am actually not getting an idea of how big/small the project will be in terms of Gsoc timeframe
Apr 20 19:00:34 <jkridner|work> I think that some analysis of the libraries and the level of effort of each library should be in a good proposal.
Apr 20 19:00:45 <jkridner|work> not necessarily saying 100% of the libraries should be done.
Apr 20 19:02:06 <jkridner|work> SPI, Ethernet and LCD should all be pretty easy...
Apr 20 19:02:12 <anujdeshpande> okay. So I should prioritize libraries based on their benefit and level of effort and then build a proposal ..
Apr 20 19:02:14 <jkridner|work> Ethernet might have some headaches...
Apr 20 19:03:03 <jkridner|work> since it might interfere with normal Linux operation and you probably just want to figure out what people really want to do with it and provide a TCP packet interface that is simpler than BSD sockets.
Apr 20 19:03:13 <jkridner|work> anujdeshpande: exactly.
Apr 20 19:05:23 <anujdeshpande> I should be considering libraries not included in the Arduino ide source code too right ? Keyboard for example
Apr 20 19:42:08 * mranostay back
Apr 20 19:42:59 <ka6sox> wb
Apr 20 20:08:42 <mru> reason #3829 I hate c++: std::num_get<char, std::istreambuf_iterator<char, std::char_traits<char> > >::do_get(std::istreambuf_iterator<char, std::char_traits<char> >, std::istreambuf_iterator<char, std::char_traits<char> >, std::ios_base&, std::_Ios_Iostate&, float&) const
Apr 20 20:08:59 <mru> something out of spec2k
Apr 20 20:09:36 <ka6sox> reason #1 for me: libboost
Apr 20 20:09:43 <mru> oh yes
Apr 20 20:09:54 <mru> that one has symbol names exceeding 32k in length
Apr 20 20:10:00 <mru> I kid you not
Apr 20 20:10:03 <thurbad_> eeek
Apr 20 20:10:14 <ka6sox> I just know it doesnt' like to compile on armv4t
Apr 20 20:11:37 <ka6sox> basically, if I see g++ running in a build on a native...I go get a coffee...
Apr 20 20:14:02 <mru> on or for?
Apr 20 20:15:20 <mru> in other "news", my job feels pointless
Apr 20 20:18:58 <mru> hmm, someone likes underscores: __GI_____strtol_l_internal
Apr 20 20:20:15 <ka6sox> mru, both
Apr 20 20:22:25 <mru> what does it need that isn't available on armv4t?
Apr 20 20:22:44 <mru> or is it just generally cross-hostile?
Apr 20 20:24:24 <ka6sox> this was mostly when I was attempting to do something foolish...a native "port" of Debian before they discovered what X-Compiling was...
Apr 20 20:25:01 <mru> afaik they still haven't
Apr 20 20:25:54 <ka6sox> Their Loss.
Apr 20 20:26:54 <mru> we still suffer from it
Apr 20 20:26:59 <ka6sox> I'm sorry...but building libboost in a device that clocks at 266mhz with 32MB of ram is the definition of "masochism"
Apr 20 20:27:06 <mru> anyhow, it's time for some doctor who
Apr 20 20:29:16 <mru> "life-threatening trans-mundane emanations", hmm
Apr 20 20:57:25 <KotH> it might not be friday anymore, but this is just too sureal not to share: http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
Apr 20 21:10:40 <mru> KotH: old
Apr 20 21:11:09 <KotH> damn!
Apr 20 21:11:16 <KotH> and there i thought i found something new
Apr 20 21:11:24 <mru> nothing is new
Apr 20 21:12:10 <sdkie> @KotH: about what??
Apr 20 21:12:27 <KotH> about the sureality of life in #beagle
Apr 20 21:12:53 <mru> 26-26-54 has some good snapshots of that
Apr 20 21:13:33 <sdkie> okay
Apr 20 21:15:12 <KotH> i like #5 :-)
Apr 20 22:21:25 <ka6sox> mru, I live on Sidereal Time, not Lunar.
Apr 20 22:54:49 * mranostay wonders why he takes stuff out of boxes at times
Apr 20 22:57:07 <angs> If I place CR2033 battery to beagleboard-xm, would it be possible to detect  by a software (by reading a signal from the board) when the battery is dead?
Apr 20 22:57:53 <mranostay> angs: ah on what pin?
Apr 20 22:58:19 <mranostay> angs: just use a RTC module :P
Apr 20 22:59:49 <angs> mranostay, if I use RTC module, would it be possible to detect when the battery is dead?
Apr 20 23:00:04 <angs> does it output any signal?
Apr 20 23:02:04 <mranostay> depends on the module i assume
Apr 20 23:02:22 <mranostay> but those coin cells should last years on a proper RTC
Apr 20 23:03:25 <angs> thank you
Apr 20 23:03:41 <angs> I will check the module datasheet's
Apr 20 23:07:46 <angs> mranostay, do you know any RTC module that recharge the battery when the board is powered?
Apr 20 23:08:13 <angs> kind of usb module or has a different interface
Apr 20 23:10:57 <mru> who cares about time anyway?
Apr 20 23:11:35 <mru> it might matter if you're networked, but then you can (and should) use ntp
Apr 20 23:11:48 <angs> if it is a closed network?
Apr 20 23:11:58 <angs> or has no internet connection
Apr 20 23:12:05 <mru> then it either doesn't matter of you can put an ntp server on it
Apr 20 23:12:10 <mru> *or
Apr 20 23:13:40 <angs> good idea, thank you
Apr 20 23:14:17 <mru> if absolute time really matters for some reason, you can use a gps module
Apr 20 23:14:38 <mru> as reference for the ntp server
Apr 20 23:16:14 <angs> I dont need a precise time info, I just need to know the time of the day. I guess installing the ntp server is the easiest
Apr 20 23:16:31 <angs> thank for the advise
Apr 20 23:16:50 <angs> advice
Apr 20 23:27:58 <mranostay> oh more maxim smaples
Apr 20 23:33:46 <angs> mru, just in case, do you know any brand name or product number for a  gps module that I can attach to the beagleboard?
Apr 20 23:43:07 <mranostay> any?
Apr 20 23:43:21 <mranostay> angs: you'll need to logic level shift for sure
Apr 20 23:44:17 <angs> yes any module
Apr 20 23:44:35 <angs> I have not used gps modules before. I just would like to see an example module
Apr 20 23:45:12 <mru> anything with NMEA interface should work
Apr 20 23:47:49 <angs> thank you
Apr 20 23:52:23 <mranostay> mru: anything not NMEA anymore?
Apr 20 23:52:49 <mru> did garmin switch?
Apr 21 01:36:52 <mranostay> emeb_mac: you know what i'm thinhing?
Apr 21 01:36:54 <mranostay> *thinking
Apr 21 01:37:18 <emeb_mac> I could never guess
Apr 21 01:37:18 <mru> you think?
Apr 21 01:38:17 <mranostay> mru: hate you
Apr 21 01:38:59 <ka6sox> yes, but it would only be the size of a thimble.
Apr 21 01:39:16 <ka6sox> oh, mranostay is too young for knowing that one.
Apr 21 01:39:37 <ka6sox> lessee...smaller than a tequila glass?
Apr 21 01:40:17 <mru> you must not like tequila very much
Apr 21 01:40:44 <ka6sox> I live in California...and the Worm and I are NOT friends...
Apr 21 01:40:57 <ka6sox> There is a T-Shirt....
Apr 21 01:41:25 <ka6sox> (seriously I don't like it)
Apr 21 01:49:22 <mranostay> ka6sox: worm? Dune?
Apr 21 01:52:20 * mru pours tequila over LetoTheII 
Apr 21 01:55:39 <ka6sox> mranostay doesn't get out very much I guess...
Apr 21 02:00:50 <ka6sox> okay Tempura DonBuri is calling...laters
Apr 21 02:01:07 <ka6sox> and Sapporo
Apr 21 02:11:59 * mranostay is drinking a Sapporo
Apr 21 02:14:52 <mru> hardly worth the effort
Apr 21 02:46:45 <anujdeshpande> prpplague, I wanted to ask about the Arduino libraries for Linux project. What kind of h/w will be required for this one ? Assuming that one implements the standard libraries like Ethernet, SPI, Wire, etc ..
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