**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 25 02:59:59 2013
Apr 25 03:11:04 <ds2> it needs to be fixed to filter out PM activities in HW
Apr 25 03:45:30 <RoyOnWheels> beagle black looks nice
Apr 25 03:46:01 <mranostay> black is slimming
Apr 25 03:50:39 <ka6sox> if you miss a m you are in trouble
Apr 25 04:17:34 <_av500_> yawn
Apr 25 04:18:10 <_av500_> joel_: what?
Apr 25 04:24:10 <joel_> av500: was just poking fun at you.
Apr 25 04:24:22 <joel_> the discussion was getting too serious
Apr 25 04:25:01 <joel_> and too on-topic
Apr 25 04:25:18 <shapr> whew
Apr 25 04:25:22 <shapr> glad you saved it.
Apr 25 04:25:28 <joel_> ;)
Apr 25 04:33:11 <mrpackethead> whats brewing.
Apr 25 04:35:35 <ka6sox> beer
Apr 25 04:35:41 <shapr> sake
Apr 25 04:36:13 <seedplus> Hello
Apr 25 04:36:22 <seedplus> this is haksoo lim from korea.
Apr 25 04:36:33 <seedplus> anybody in here?
Apr 25 04:36:48 <shapr> me?
Apr 25 04:37:05 <shapr> but I don't have a beagle board yet, so I'm not much help.
Apr 25 04:37:08 <shapr> I would like to buy one!
Apr 25 04:38:43 <MrCurious> i registered interest way back and i cant yet either
Apr 25 04:44:28 <seedplus> i wonder that beagle board is tested in industrial site.
Apr 25 04:44:57 <seedplus> our customers are located in plant
Apr 25 04:45:56 <MrCurious> saw a tweet today of the new black ones undergoing burn in testing
Apr 25 05:16:01 <rbarris> my BBB has shipped!
Apr 25 05:16:51 <rbarris> ...much better than the "May 13" estimate Newark was mentioning earlier
Apr 25 05:18:22 <av500> OMG
Apr 25 05:18:31 <fiola> Gratz :-)
Apr 25 05:19:14 <ka6sox> Ponies?
Apr 25 05:19:36 <fiola> Yeah, except they go "Woof!"
Apr 25 05:21:58 <rbarris> "However, severe storms are impacting FedEx flights around the country..." - the tracking page
Apr 25 05:22:06 <fiola> lol
Apr 25 05:22:57 <fiola> You just can't win.  I see the headlines already:  "BeagleBone Dark delayed by global warming"
Apr 25 05:23:08 <fiola> lol, Black
Apr 25 05:23:19 <ka6sox> Translation: give us some more time to bend, fold, tear, spindle and mutilate your package...
Apr 25 05:23:53 <fiola> Aye, which is why I never order on a Friday.
Apr 25 05:24:42 <fiola> Even Thursday is asking for trouble, in case "next day delivery" slips.
Apr 25 05:39:29 <KotH> a wonderfull JIHAD everyone!
Apr 25 05:42:01 <mranostay> heh
Apr 25 06:18:57 <mrpackethead> KotH: thanks.
Apr 25 06:19:06 <mrpackethead> mranostay: you keep saying that
Apr 25 06:19:12 <mrpackethead> Its almost like a clock.
Apr 25 06:19:36 <mrpackethead> rbarris: where did you get yours from?
Apr 25 06:19:51 <rbarris> Newark
Apr 25 06:20:15 <rbarris> I signed up on their pre-reg email notification list a few weeks back.  I think the mail showed up yesterday..
Apr 25 06:20:39 <rbarris> it's "in the mail" i.e. has a fedex tracking #
Apr 25 06:27:00 <hardin> Hi folks! I have a question about BeagleBone: SinceBeagleBone only have 1 usb post. Is it possible to use a usb splitter? I want to use 1 port for a usb WiFi and the other usb for a webcam. Thanks
Apr 25 06:29:42 <av500> a hub
Apr 25 06:29:43 <av500> yes
Apr 25 06:29:58 <av500> there is also a wifi cape
Apr 25 06:36:44 <mrpackethead> hub cape?
Apr 25 06:37:06 <ds2> don't forget the red ones
Apr 25 06:37:10 <mrpackethead> got a link for the wifi cape?
Apr 25 06:37:35 <mrpackethead> I think the opencv homework project must be finsihed
Apr 25 06:37:54 <mrpackethead> becuase we have'nt seen any " i can't compile opencv " for some time.
Apr 25 06:40:18 <hardin> thanks for answer :)  my pc died and restart
Apr 25 06:56:04 <seedplus> Hello?  is anyone here, beagleboard employee?
Apr 25 06:56:09 <seedplus> i have a question
Apr 25 06:56:38 <seedplus> i interest stability of board.
Apr 25 06:56:48 <seedplus> for industrial plant
Apr 25 06:58:11 <av500> define stability
Apr 25 07:01:06 <mrpackethead> does the beagleboard employe people?
Apr 25 07:01:52 <KotH> as the beagleboard is a board i doubt it can legaly employ anyone
Apr 25 07:02:06 <mrpackethead> hard for it to do the interview
Apr 25 07:02:18 <KotH> or maybe seedplus meant beagleborad
Apr 25 07:02:30 <mrpackethead> seedplus: or CircuitCo
Apr 25 07:02:40 <mrpackethead> seedplus: what are you going to hook up to it.
Apr 25 07:06:53 <Exrith> So I just read about the beaglebone black on theregister.co.uk today and it got my thinking. Why not buy 6 of these and cluster them together like an old Beowulf cluster. I would to be able to share all resources between the cluster members. Has anyone herd of this being done, or have any info to point me in the right direction?
Apr 25 07:09:03 <mrpackethead> A beagle kennel
Apr 25 07:09:10 <mrpackethead> yes, you could.
Apr 25 07:09:24 <Exrith> Sorry for the bad spelling and grammar. Stupid ipad will not allow me to scrool and review what I typed.
Apr 25 07:09:29 <vij> Has anyone tried building the 3.8 kernel
Apr 25 07:09:41 <mrpackethead> are you going to try?
Apr 25 07:10:34 <vij> tried already but am getting this error : R_ARM_THM_JUMP11 against symbol `sched_clock' defined in .text section in arch/arm/kernel/built-in.o
Apr 25 07:11:07 <panto> vij, the kernel that the boards ships with is 3.8.5
Apr 25 07:11:29 <panto> and not, compiling the mainline kernel won't work, you need patches on top of that
Apr 25 07:12:16 <Exrith> Any one have any information clustering the beaglebone black to gather?
Apr 25 07:12:32 <KotH> Exrith: clustering beagles is no different than clustering PCs
Apr 25 07:12:52 <panto> i.e. you can do it, whether is a good idea, it's up to you
Apr 25 07:13:11 <KotH> Exrith: and given the amount of black bones in circulation, i doubt anyone has enough to build a cluster at all
Apr 25 07:13:41 <KotH> Exrith: what you are looking for is a generic description of how to build a cluster and modify that slightly to apply to an arm board
Apr 25 07:13:47 <KotH> Exrith: everything else is the same
Apr 25 07:14:29 <vij> Hi Panto, i've patched the sources and yes have pulled the sources from here : https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8
Apr 25 07:14:37 <mrpackethead> Do you think you coudl get a sensible amount of compute power for a given amount of $$ in a cluster
Apr 25 07:14:47 <mrpackethead> Im not sure if the economics would stack
Apr 25 07:14:48 <panto> vij, looks like your toolchain is broken
Apr 25 07:16:24 <vij> which is the recommended toolchain? From where can i download the toolchain?
Apr 25 07:16:33 <vij> I'm using this arm-arago-linux-gnueabi-gcc (GCC) 4.5.3 20110311
Apr 25 07:16:57 <vij> which was bundled under AM35xx Linux SDK
Apr 25 07:17:32 <panto> you can use the angstrom sdk
Apr 25 07:17:45 <panto> I think the linaro toolchains work too
Apr 25 07:17:59 <mrpackethead> first job when my blackbirds arrive is to get debian running
Apr 25 07:18:45 <panto> mrpackethead, you self sacrifice is noted
Apr 25 07:18:47 <panto> *your
Apr 25 07:18:53 <Exrith> At 45$ a pop I think it could b done some what cheep. I just want to try it, have some spare time on my hands and looking for a challenge
Apr 25 07:19:08 <panto> well, go for it
Apr 25 07:19:15 <mrpackethead> yes, go for it
Apr 25 07:19:25 <mrpackethead> we love to hear ..  I'm going to try something
Apr 25 07:19:37 <mrpackethead> we hate to hear..   Does  XYZ work
Apr 25 07:19:58 <panto> even if it's totally pointless, you'll get to learn something
Apr 25 07:20:06 <panto> we love pointless projects here
Apr 25 07:20:11 <mrpackethead> We do in deed.
Apr 25 07:20:38 <ka6sox> panto, +1
Apr 25 07:20:38 <mrpackethead> its why the trolls hav'nt eaten half of the food here
Apr 25 07:20:40 <mrpackethead> :-)
Apr 25 07:20:47 <panto> hi ka6sox
Apr 25 07:20:51 <ka6sox> morning
Apr 25 07:20:57 <panto> hey
Apr 25 07:21:02 <panto> what you doing up so late?
Apr 25 07:21:41 <ka6sox> I'm about to go to work...
Apr 25 07:21:49 <ka6sox> I get the station @ 1am
Apr 25 07:22:31 <panto> where are you now?
Apr 25 07:22:52 <ka6sox> sitting at the bottom of the mountain about ready to go up
Apr 25 07:23:11 <panto> heh
Apr 25 07:23:12 <mrpackethead> what mountain is this?
Apr 25 07:23:21 <ka6sox> Laguna Peak
Apr 25 07:23:35 <mrpackethead> Whats of interest at the top
Apr 25 07:23:57 <ka6sox> a very sad DAB station
Apr 25 07:24:05 <mrpackethead> ahh.
Apr 25 07:24:35 <Exrith> That's what I'm talking about. I have very strong skills with networking, windows and Linux/unix servers but other then that this is out of my knowledge area. So I'm excited. I've been wanting to set up a cluster like this for sometime now. Anyone can get a blade server and run a pre set up cluster os , this seems like more of a challenge.
Apr 25 07:24:50 <ka6sox> drifting time alignment...
Apr 25 07:25:08 <mrpackethead> Exrith: well go for it
Apr 25 07:25:18 <rbarris> ka6sox which part of CA you in roughly - LA-ish ?  I'm in OC
Apr 25 07:25:34 <rbarris> CQ CQ de KD6IFZ
Apr 25 07:25:36 <mrpackethead> rbarris: the OC... You work For Disney?
Apr 25 07:25:38 <ka6sox> right now, Point Mugu
Apr 25 07:26:00 <rbarris> no, I telecommute, software
Apr 25 07:26:09 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, I grew up near Disney...in the OC
Apr 25 07:26:22 <mrpackethead> I visit Anaheim 3-4 times a year
Apr 25 07:26:53 <rbarris> my wife worked at the park for about 17 yrs.
Apr 25 07:26:59 <ka6sox> oy
Apr 25 07:27:07 <mrpackethead> we build widgets for Disney
Apr 25 07:27:23 <ka6sox> I grew up 2 blocks from teh ocean...can I surf? nope..
Apr 25 07:27:42 <mrpackethead> i live very near ( 100m ) the sea. I can't surf either.
Apr 25 07:28:20 <ka6sox> I'm about 10m from the surf now...
Apr 25 07:28:22 <av500> at 6x $45 you can buy a PC that is more powerfull than 6 beagle bones
Apr 25 07:28:30 <rbarris> very true
Apr 25 07:28:42 <mrpackethead> av500: thats what i thought
Apr 25 07:28:45 <ka6sox> av500, MFLOPS/Watt?
Apr 25 07:29:08 <rbarris> just have to think clearly about the value of the effort, is it for learning, fun, or trying to get onto Top500 supercomputer list
Apr 25 07:29:10 <mrpackethead> MegaWattFlopDollar
Apr 25 07:29:13 <mrpackethead> what unit is that
Apr 25 07:29:48 <av500>  wel, setting up a shared nothing cluster is easy
Apr 25 07:29:50 <av500> well
Apr 25 07:30:02 <ka6sox> MPI FTW
Apr 25 07:30:34 <ka6sox> okay...my "escort" is here...TTG
Apr 25 07:30:44 <koen> felipebalbi: ping
Apr 25 07:30:52 <av500> http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/default.aspx?id=179615
Apr 25 07:38:22 <altair> Hello
Apr 25 07:38:37 <av500> hi
Apr 25 07:39:11 <Guest32796> where i can use BeagleBoard for example
Apr 25 07:39:41 <av500> on yourdesk
Apr 25 07:39:52 <av500> :)
Apr 25 07:39:58 <Guest32796> ))
Apr 25 07:47:13 <tsjsieb> Anyone here using a splash screen on a systemd image?
Apr 25 07:47:41 * tsjsieb is currently trying to use dietsplash, but I don't get it started during booting (but that might have to do with my (lag of) systemd experience)
Apr 25 07:48:38 <tsjsieb> 's/lag/lack/'
Apr 25 07:55:40 <tsjsieb> dietsplash shows this in README: All you have to do is to install dietsplash and append 'init=/bin/dietsplash'to your kernel command line. During compilation dietsplash will detect the real init used on system pass the correct.
Apr 25 07:55:47 <tsjsieb> but I don't thinks that's going to work with a cross-compiled image
Apr 25 07:57:07 <felipebalbi> koen: pong
Apr 25 07:57:20 <felipebalbi> koen: who said that ?
Apr 25 07:59:35 <panto> felipebalbi, fwiw I hate the way gpmc DT bindings are done
Apr 25 07:59:58 <felipebalbi> panto: tell me about it :-p
Apr 25 08:00:10 <panto> done the wrong way around completely
Apr 25 08:00:57 <panto> gpmc should be resource that devices can use, not have the devices as sub-nodes of the interface
Apr 25 08:01:02 <panto> *be a
Apr 25 08:02:41 <av500> +1
Apr 25 08:03:17 <panto> the guys who did it obviously only cared about getting a few nand/nor devices
Apr 25 08:03:24 <felipebalbi> panto: I agree fully
Apr 25 08:03:28 <felipebalbi> panto: GPMC is just another bus
Apr 25 08:03:49 <felipebalbi> panto: imagine if USB, I2C, SPI, etc would have been done the way GPMC is today
Apr 25 08:04:11 <panto> splatting gpmc,foo* inside an unrelated device node is bad too
Apr 25 08:04:47 <panto> it calls out for a memory controller abstraction really
Apr 25 08:04:52 <panto> similar to pinctl
Apr 25 08:05:32 <koen> felipebalbi: VH
Apr 25 08:05:39 <panto> the other interfaces you mentioned are even less problematic
Apr 25 08:05:43 <felipebalbi> koen: interesting
Apr 25 08:05:47 <koen> felipebalbi: I have an LCD7 for you, PM/mail me the shipping address
Apr 25 08:05:57 <panto> cause there's no other way to connect an SPI device but to a SPI host controller
Apr 25 08:06:22 <felipebalbi> koen: thanks :-)
Apr 25 08:06:24 <koen> felipebalbi: VH is dead against bone-common.dtsi + bone.dts + boneblack.dts and wants to cp bone.dts boneblack.dts
Apr 25 08:06:26 <panto> the device you put on the GPMC are generic bus devices, that can be used by other similar memory controllers
Apr 25 08:06:47 <felipebalbi> panto: it also makes drivers (or their DT nodes) more difficult to reuse
Apr 25 08:06:56 <panto> makes it impossible
Apr 25 08:07:03 <felipebalbi> panto: to be frank even those ti,* are quite a brainfart
Apr 25 08:07:11 <felipebalbi> and just because people want to keep the nonsensical hwmod around
Apr 25 08:08:09 <panto> hwmod+omap device must die
Apr 25 08:08:18 <panto> they are just crap
Apr 25 08:08:38 <felipebalbi> I totally agree with you
Apr 25 08:08:48 <felipebalbi> panto: did you see the patch I sent making hwmod and omap_device optional ? :-p
Apr 25 08:08:53 <felipebalbi> it got quite some flame
Apr 25 08:09:08 <panto> not optional, rm -rf * the fsckers
Apr 25 08:09:36 * panto is ready for his angry playlist 
Apr 25 08:09:45 <felipebalbi> panto: :-)
Apr 25 08:10:06 <felipebalbi> panto: we need to first make it optional so AMxxxx can prove that we can live without hwmod
Apr 25 08:10:13 <felipebalbi> then convert the OMAP crap over
Apr 25 08:10:19 <panto> I just don't get it why it's needed, especially for DT
Apr 25 08:10:19 <felipebalbi> and get remove all that mess
Apr 25 08:10:27 <felipebalbi> panto: it's not needed in any way
Apr 25 08:10:41 <panto> ok, all I can see it do, is
Apr 25 08:10:41 <felipebalbi> panto: IMHO that was a result of lack of understanding of Rafael's PM layer
Apr 25 08:10:46 <tomba> I don't see how we can remove the hwmod from DT, as they are there already. so we need to keep them there "forever".
Apr 25 08:10:48 <panto> a) control some kind of resets
Apr 25 08:10:51 <tsjsieb> koen: you added the dietsplash_git recipe, did you ever use it as splash screen at boot?
Apr 25 08:10:53 <felipebalbi> panto: also lack of understanding of drivers core
Apr 25 08:11:15 <panto> b) provide resources for platform devices invisibly
Apr 25 08:11:45 <panto> is there anything else?
Apr 25 08:13:56 <koen> tsjsieb: years ago
Apr 25 08:14:18 <koen> tsjsieb: the "fix 16 bit" commits are due to me reporting that bug
Apr 25 08:14:54 <tsjsieb> koen: are there better alternatives?
Apr 25 08:15:24 <koen> tsjsieb: there's plymouth....
Apr 25 08:15:25 <tsjsieb> koen: and question 2, how did you start it? not by init=/bin/dietsplash I guess?
Apr 25 08:15:38 <koen> init=/bin/dietsplash
Apr 25 08:15:54 <koen> things boot so fast now that I don't need a splash anymore :)
Apr 25 08:16:47 <tsjsieb> thnx, than I'm probably doing something wrong with my nfs test, going to try again
Apr 25 08:18:34 <panto> bah, heading out for a bit
Apr 25 08:18:36 <tsjsieb> and koen, I didn't want the plymouth answer! ;)
Apr 25 08:19:07 <av500> portsmouth?
Apr 25 08:19:19 <av500> southampton?
Apr 25 08:19:21 <koen> tsjsieb: nobody wants plymouth
Apr 25 08:20:44 <tsjsieb> except mr Poettering I guess.
Apr 25 08:21:18 <koen> not even him
Apr 25 08:22:05 <av500> marketing wants a splash screen
Apr 25 08:23:06 <mrpackethead> anyone know of a good low volume electronics assembler in Maylasia
Apr 25 08:30:27 <av500> http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/25/beaglebone-black-vs-raspberry-pi-features-and-price-comparison/
Apr 25 08:34:10 <jacekowski> well, what it says, is that bb is still useless for media center
Apr 25 08:34:15 <keesj> "BBB fanboy"
Apr 25 08:40:19 <av500> jacekowski: true
Apr 25 08:40:44 <av500> its not even advertised as one
Apr 25 08:41:03 <jacekowski> rpi isn't advertised as one either
Apr 25 08:41:13 <av500> so?
Apr 25 08:41:46 <tsjsieb> so it's clearly the better choise to buy both!
Apr 25 08:42:14 <tsjsieb> then you can always decide which one to through out of the window
Apr 25 08:42:26 <tsjsieb> (which will be the rpi off-course)
Apr 25 08:47:46 <dm8tbr> the rPI is based on a setTopBox/MediaCenter SoC, that in some small corner also has a maintenance core that could have beeen made to boot Linux. big surprise...
Apr 25 08:57:39 <jacekowski> thing is, you can get odroid-u2 for not much more
Apr 25 08:57:44 <jacekowski> and it's much better hardware
Apr 25 08:59:02 <tsjsieb> only much less community, and that could be word something as well (maybe not so much for most people here....)
Apr 25 09:00:35 <jacekowski> well, it runs linux as well
Apr 25 09:00:39 <jacekowski> and that's all matters in the end
Apr 25 09:05:10 <tsjsieb> for you and for me that is, but I guess not for the totally inexperienced people who just found out that it's possible to program / script something yourself on a device
Apr 25 09:05:35 <panto> jacekowski, as long as you only use the board as is, and don't want to build a product based on it
Apr 25 09:07:38 <tsjsieb> they need a place to copy-paste from
Apr 25 09:07:47 <fiola> 20 years from now there's going to be a special term for pseudo-programmers who were exposed to a bit of Python on the RPi as kids and became software engineers ... who know almost nothing but think they're experts.
Apr 25 09:08:00 <mrpackethead> lol.
Apr 25 09:08:22 <mrpackethead> though, theres a space for python
Apr 25 09:08:31 <mrpackethead> anyone remember perl?
Apr 25 09:08:58 <mrpackethead> coudl never udnerstand why perl book had a camel on the front
Apr 25 09:08:59 <mrpackethead> :-0)
Apr 25 09:09:02 <fiola> Python's great, it's not the language that's the issue, it's the lack of background and low level understanding.
Apr 25 09:09:33 <fiola> And Perl's great too.  Horses for courses and hammers and nails and all that.
Apr 25 09:09:57 <panto> perl's fine for what it does
Apr 25 09:10:15 <panto> just don't try to use it for anything big, or with more than one developer
Apr 25 09:10:31 <panto> same for any kind of scripting language really
Apr 25 09:11:42 <mrpackethead> when i went to school, they were teaching basic
Apr 25 09:11:46 <mrpackethead> grrr.
Apr 25 09:12:00 <mrpackethead> however.. I was'nt
Apr 25 09:15:08 <fiola> Even original BASIC had a useful place, although not for writing programs.  Binding low level routines to be callable from BASIC made it a very good engineering test harness in its time.
Apr 25 09:36:16 <ka6sox-farfarawa> mourning
Apr 25 09:36:39 <KotH> moin
Apr 25 09:36:42 <panto> mourning indeed
Apr 25 09:36:43 <KotH> how was the hike?
Apr 25 09:36:49 <ka6sox-farfarawa> still here
Apr 25 09:37:00 <ka6sox-farfarawa> but it is wet tonight
Apr 25 09:37:03 <ka6sox-farfarawa> raining a bit
Apr 25 09:41:15 <KotH> ka6sox-farfarawa: keep the rain, we keep our sun ;)
Apr 25 09:43:18 <ka6sox-farfarawa> heh
Apr 25 09:43:36 <ka6sox-farfarawa> you can have the rain..we didn't get much this season
Apr 25 09:43:41 <KotH> mrpackethead: the camel on the book came to be, because oreilly didnt have the money to buy real art for their books (they were really small back then) so, they used old engravings as book covers
Apr 25 09:43:54 <KotH> mrpackethead: and for some reason, the one they choose for perl was a camel
Apr 25 09:44:03 <mrpackethead> funny
Apr 25 09:44:09 <mrpackethead> becuase its always stuck in my mind.
Apr 25 09:44:18 <KotH> it's also known as the camel book
Apr 25 09:44:21 <KotH> and the lama book
Apr 25 09:44:24 <KotH> :)
Apr 25 09:44:26 <mrpackethead> yes, it is.
Apr 25 09:44:28 <KotH> llama...
Apr 25 09:44:37 <mrpackethead> Whats on teh front of the bind boo
Apr 25 09:45:05 <KotH> http://akamaicovers.oreilly.com/images/9780596100575/cat.gif
Apr 25 09:45:08 <mrpackethead> and whats on the front of the beagle-boom
Apr 25 09:45:13 <mrpackethead> book.
Apr 25 09:45:14 <mrpackethead> :-)
Apr 25 09:45:23 <KotH> there is a beagle book
Apr 25 09:45:25 <KotH> ?
Apr 25 09:45:33 <panto> yes
Apr 25 09:45:39 <panto> don't know how up-to-date is
Apr 25 09:46:25 <KotH> not available.. not even on amazon
Apr 25 09:46:38 <av500> only on preorder from farnell
Apr 25 09:46:42 <av500> like a beagle
Apr 25 09:47:21 <KotH> with a publishing date of 2011?
Apr 25 09:49:11 <ka6sox-farfarawa> with Farnell...who knows!
Apr 25 09:49:39 <koen> felipebalbi: package sent, takes about a week
Apr 25 09:50:27 <felipebalbi> koen: thanks mate :-)
Apr 25 09:50:46 <runn> hey guys !
Apr 25 09:50:56 <panto> felipebalbi, any objections in fixing gpmc the right way
Apr 25 09:51:13 <panto> it will be quite different that what's right now...
Apr 25 09:51:18 <felipebalbi> panto: me ? none :-) difficult is getting the other folks to accept
Apr 25 09:51:38 <panto> meh
Apr 25 09:51:55 <runn> BeagleBone Black does h.264 ?
Apr 25 09:52:16 <felipebalbi> panto: to me we should throw away any piece of code which hasn't received anything other than compile fixes and/or API changes in the last 2 months
Apr 25 09:52:17 <panto> there's no h/w accelerator for it if that what you're asking
Apr 25 09:52:19 <felipebalbi> start from scratch
Apr 25 09:52:32 <felipebalbi> would be much easier to mv gpmc /dev/null
Apr 25 09:52:34 <felipebalbi> and start fresh
Apr 25 09:52:44 <felipebalbi> similar would be valid to a bunch of other drivers
Apr 25 09:52:47 <panto> I would re-use code, but I wouldn't make it work like this
Apr 25 09:52:49 <felipebalbi> MUSB included :-p
Apr 25 09:52:55 <panto> yeah...
Apr 25 09:53:02 <panto> musb...
Apr 25 09:53:04 <felipebalbi> (god I hate that crap :s)
Apr 25 09:53:05 * panto shuddes 
Apr 25 09:53:09 <panto> *shadders
Apr 25 09:53:16 <mrpackethead> i was just joking about beagle-book
Apr 25 09:53:18 <mrpackethead> but there is one?
Apr 25 09:53:20 <panto> why is it so damn complicated
Apr 25 09:53:32 <KotH> a homage for all the hardworking people here: http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-04-25/ :-)
Apr 25 09:53:34 <felipebalbi> panto: heh, because TI decided to ship mentor's original reference driver
Apr 25 09:53:37 <felipebalbi> panto: and nokia accepted
Apr 25 09:53:42 <panto> I know the h/w is a bit wonky
Apr 25 09:53:45 <felipebalbi> panto: that was around 2.6.16
Apr 25 09:53:57 <panto> but there's somewhat broken h/w with acceptable drivers for it
Apr 25 09:54:06 <felipebalbi> panto: when I joined INdT (back in Brazil) we just had to make the shit work
Apr 25 09:54:10 <mrpackethead> why do a bunch of people want to turn beagles into media cetners
Apr 25 09:54:25 <felipebalbi> mrpackethead: because they can ?
Apr 25 09:54:28 <felipebalbi> :-p
Apr 25 09:54:31 <panto> mrpackethead, cause it's own application most people are familiar with
Apr 25 09:54:33 <KotH> because entertainment is the thing that drives the world
Apr 25 09:54:44 <panto> s/entertainment/sex/g
Apr 25 09:54:50 <panto> fixed it for you
Apr 25 09:54:54 <KotH> mrpackethead: after you have enough to eat, good sex, the next step is to have fun
Apr 25 09:55:01 <mrpackethead> right.
Apr 25 09:55:26 <felipebalbi> panto: then I moved to Nokia and the job continued. TUSB6010... still gives me creeps
Apr 25 09:55:30 <mrpackethead> i'd be sorely bored if i relied on a media center for fun.
Apr 25 09:55:44 <KotH> mrpackethead: you are not joe average
Apr 25 09:55:50 <felipebalbi> panto: my wife already got used to my night terrors when I have nightmares about TUSB6010 :-p
Apr 25 09:55:53 <panto> KotH, many geeks skips the middle part while they're young... I know I did
Apr 25 09:55:56 <panto> felipebalbi, lol
Apr 25 09:56:21 <panto> same thing with mine... "why can't you sleep, are you still thinking about work?"
Apr 25 09:56:25 <KotH> mrpackethead: joe average looks like mrpackethead, drinks lots of beer, either with friends or infront of his tv... often both
Apr 25 09:56:29 <mrpackethead> for fun, a fishing rod is much more interesting than watching crap tv
Apr 25 09:56:35 <felipebalbi> panto: been there, done that :-)
Apr 25 09:56:55 * panto wonders if it's too late to open a beach-bar on an island somewhere 
Apr 25 09:57:02 <KotH> panto: you were handicaped... you didnt have facebook ;)
Apr 25 09:57:10 <felipebalbi> panto: beach-bar in Greece ? that'd be cool
Apr 25 09:57:19 <mrpackethead> even if tv came with 1 billion ziga pixels... it would just be high resolution crap
Apr 25 09:57:20 <panto> it is during summer
Apr 25 09:57:23 <felipebalbi> panto: just avoid Mikonos (if that's spelled right) :-p
Apr 25 09:57:31 <panto> then you have to find a way to survive winter :)
Apr 25 09:57:39 <mrpackethead> crap is crap, irrispective of its resolution.
Apr 25 09:57:43 <felipebalbi> panto: nothing compares to Finland however
Apr 25 09:57:48 <KotH> panto: move farther south :)
Apr 25 09:58:01 <panto> felipebalbi, nah, it's cool there too... you don't have to get into the 'scene' if you know what I mean
Apr 25 09:58:05 <panto> it's just too expensive
Apr 25 09:58:10 <mrpackethead> in fact, can i just have TV that is a single pixel, in 1 bit color
Apr 25 09:58:13 <felipebalbi> panto: right :-)
Apr 25 09:58:21 <panto> cheaper places, which are arguably better too
Apr 25 09:59:33 <felipebalbi> panto: there's a TV show called "My Greek Kitchen". The Host (Tonia Braxton or something) and she visits these small islands in greece where they make fresh cheese
Apr 25 09:59:36 <felipebalbi> awesome
Apr 25 09:59:56 <felipebalbi> brb, lunch
Apr 25 10:01:14 <panto> koen, are you around?
Apr 25 10:01:33 <panto> I'm having trouble figuring out things on the beaglecamera schematic
Apr 25 10:03:10 <panto> the schematic has no cape connectors, but two 15x2 headers...
Apr 25 10:03:16 <av500> runn: define "does"
Apr 25 10:03:21 <av500> it has no HW decoder
Apr 25 10:05:15 <panto> koen, nm, found the info
Apr 25 10:05:28 <Turl> morning
Apr 25 10:06:11 <panto> away for a bit
Apr 25 10:12:20 <koen> panto: I'm here again
Apr 25 10:17:46 <koen> panto: there's the cape formfactor board with the QL chip and there cameraboard with the sensor and the can EEPROM
Apr 25 10:18:13 <koen> panto: the double 2x15 is for senser+eeprom -> capeboard
Apr 25 10:18:24 <koen> and it's double so you can flip the sensor around
Apr 25 11:44:38 <panto> back
Apr 25 11:48:16 <panto> koen, look at the schematic, it's for some other adapter board
Apr 25 11:51:27 <keesj> jkridner: http://beagleboard.org/user/openid.mmapps.net/keesj returns: TypeError: Cannot read property "page" from null (/mnt/root/helma-1.6.1/apps/beagle/code/User/user.js#4)
Apr 25 12:30:59 <av500> KotH: scope has usb floppy now :)
Apr 25 12:31:23 <av500> or rather floppy usb
Apr 25 12:33:53 <letothe2nd> av500: what does a periscope need usb for?
Apr 25 12:42:46 <av500> letothe2nd: ask the Kaleu
Apr 25 12:43:20 <letothe2nd> av500: will do, once i find again my long lost dvd of "das boot 2 - eine mannschaft kehrt zurück"
Apr 25 12:46:13 <KotH> av500: pics! :)
Apr 25 12:46:26 <av500> soon
Apr 25 12:46:33 <av500> I need to dremel it, its a tad too long
Apr 25 12:46:37 <av500> but first I need to eat
Apr 25 12:46:41 <av500> (somebody)
Apr 25 12:46:50 * KotH points at panto 
Apr 25 12:46:54 <av500> nah
Apr 25 12:46:56 <KotH> nobody will miss a greek!
Apr 25 12:47:05 <av500> I'm on a diet
Apr 25 12:47:15 * KotH points at mru 
Apr 25 12:47:17 <KotH> low fat!
Apr 25 12:47:28 <av500> indeed
Apr 25 12:47:57 <av500> fun fact, we had to trial& error how the thing works coz the supplied info is of course for a different version
Apr 25 12:48:14 <av500> its STMF32 based
Apr 25 12:49:01 <KotH> ah.. you took it apart!
Apr 25 12:49:24 <av500> well yes
Apr 25 12:49:26 <av500> of course
Apr 25 12:49:36 <mru> http://wondermark.com/tink8/
Apr 25 12:49:56 <av500> indeed
Apr 25 12:52:50 <mdp> heh, hannibal was right
Apr 25 12:53:28 <av500> lecter?
Apr 25 12:53:40 * panto keeps finding gaping holes
Apr 25 12:53:56 <ogra_> lectures from lecter
Apr 25 12:53:56 <av500> in greek streets?
Apr 25 12:54:10 <panto> yes, but that's expected
Apr 25 12:54:19 <panto> same as in german subs
Apr 25 12:54:47 <mdp> ba dum bump
Apr 25 12:54:54 <KotH> as long as nobody is running around naked, shouting "HEUREKA!"
Apr 25 12:55:17 <panto> buoyancy is well understood now
Apr 25 12:55:32 <av500> panto: you paid for the holes, you get them
Apr 25 12:55:40 <av500> plugs are extra
Apr 25 12:56:11 <panto> I'm sure there was some under the table money involved but I'm sure no german would stoop so low as to offer bribes right?
Apr 25 12:56:43 <av500> of course not
Apr 25 12:59:09 <panto> my kingdom for a 32MHz clock on clkout2
Apr 25 13:00:34 <koen> rock out with your clock out
Apr 25 13:00:38 <av500> asked a supplier to make some code compile that missed an include file, they fixed the issue in 2 ways: they provided the missing file AND they do not include it any more....
Apr 25 13:00:44 <panto> nsfw!
Apr 25 13:00:47 <mdp> I bought up all 32MHz clocks so I can demand a high price from panto
Apr 25 13:01:26 <panto> the 3.2 kernel is filled with these kind of beauties: http://pastebin.com/AEBAiTdQ
Apr 25 13:01:56 <av500> looks liks valid C code
Apr 25 13:01:57 <panto> guess what's missing in 33xx clocks?
Apr 25 13:01:58 <av500> like
Apr 25 13:02:58 <mdp> clearly it needs s/SZ_4K/0x1000/
Apr 25 13:03:02 <mdp> or 4096
Apr 25 13:04:23 <mru> I never understood the purpose of those macros
Apr 25 13:04:38 <mru> #define ONE 1
Apr 25 13:04:54 <panto> mru, math are hard, let's go shopping
Apr 25 13:12:44 <KotH> moin alan_o
Apr 25 13:12:59 <KotH> panto: shopping is hard as well... if you dont have money.. or shops
Apr 25 13:13:38 <panto> hey alan_o
Apr 25 13:14:12 <alan_o> hey guys
Apr 25 13:14:20 <alan_o> What's new around #beagle land today?
Apr 25 13:14:35 <KotH> panto discovered that math is hard and wants to go shopping
Apr 25 13:14:55 * panto drools on his keyboard
Apr 25 13:15:42 <KotH> panto: do you see sparks?
Apr 25 13:16:09 <alan_o> panto, KotH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO0cvqT1tAE
Apr 25 13:16:11 <panto> no
Apr 25 13:16:12 <alan_o> remember that one?
Apr 25 13:16:18 <mdp> adds #define ONE 1 to his register defines on mru's suggestion
Apr 25 13:16:25 <KotH> alan_o: i dont watch youtube at work
Apr 25 13:16:34 <alan_o> KotH: good policy
Apr 25 13:17:04 <KotH> alan_o: unless you tell me that video is work related ;)
Apr 25 13:17:09 <mdp> #define FOO (ONE << 18)
Apr 25 13:17:14 <alan_o> There was a barbie doll back 15-20 years or so ago that said "math class is tough" when you pull the string. I thought panto could relate :)
Apr 25 13:17:21 <alan_o> vid is ^^
Apr 25 13:17:51 <mdp> alan_o, lol
Apr 25 13:17:57 <alan_o> it got people worked up about girls in math(s)/science.
Apr 25 13:18:10 <mdp> it's a conspiracy
Apr 25 13:18:18 <av500> constipacy
Apr 25 13:18:24 * mdp throws out his daughter's barbies
Apr 25 13:18:32 <av500> +1
Apr 25 13:18:32 <alan_o> constituency
Apr 25 13:19:24 <mdp> anybody remember the old commercial product that allowed one to write C++ kernel drivers via some framework?
Apr 25 13:19:33 <mdp> google is failing me
Apr 25 13:19:35 <alan_o> mdp: Jungo
Apr 25 13:19:36 <KotH> alan_o: fun fact: the percentage of women in science/engineering has been 10-20% higher in turkey than in the us :)
Apr 25 13:19:39 * av500 uses it daily
Apr 25 13:19:40 <mdp> alan_o, ahh, yes!
Apr 25 13:20:02 <alan_o> mdp: I only came aware of it last week. A legacy system at the simulator place uses it.
Apr 25 13:20:18 <mdp> alan_o, I have the J-company of the day, Jolla stuck in my brain and couldn't get past those syllables
Apr 25 13:20:23 <mdp> thx
Apr 25 13:20:31 <mdp> av500, oh yeah, any good?
Apr 25 13:20:41 <alan_o> mdp: np :)
Apr 25 13:21:07 <mdp> it seems like they've been around for a long time as I thought I recall them from early 2000s/MV timeframe
Apr 25 13:21:25 <alan_o> yeah, that's when this driver is from
Apr 25 13:21:33 <mdp> ok
Apr 25 13:22:02 <av500> mdp: its awesome, keeps the desk from tilting
Apr 25 13:22:06 <alan_o> They're still around though. I tried to get an updated version, and they'll give you one, but it's not source compatible with the old stuff, afaict.
Apr 25 13:22:08 <mdp> heh
Apr 25 13:22:14 <mru> KotH: any place that isn't europe or north america has more women doing tech stuff
Apr 25 13:22:30 <mru> probably because they weren't "taught" they shouldn't
Apr 25 13:22:31 <mdp> less barbies
Apr 25 13:22:34 <av500> east europe has too
Apr 25 13:22:49 <mru> quite possibly
Apr 25 13:22:54 <alan_o> mru: I don't know who teaches them they shouldn't in the US, but somehow they're getting that message.
Apr 25 13:23:09 <mru> I don't think anyone is consciously doing it
Apr 25 13:23:12 <alan_o> mru: it's not the schools, I blame the mothers :)
Apr 25 13:23:21 <mdp> imho, the entire .us culture is brainwashed into "math is hard"
Apr 25 13:23:29 <mru> it's more of a self-reinforcing situation
Apr 25 13:23:40 <Crofton|work> we've gotta save the children!
Apr 25 13:23:44 <mru> nobody has a friend who's mom is an engineer
Apr 25 13:23:49 <av500> maybe rpi can help here?
Apr 25 13:24:04 <mru> only in britian
Apr 25 13:24:10 <mru> +spelling
Apr 25 13:24:19 <agmlego> mru: I do.
Apr 25 13:24:45 <av500> my mom's an engineer
Apr 25 13:25:06 <mru> my mom was an engineer, but I don't think any of my friends' moms were
Apr 25 13:25:19 <av500> and I never played with barbies!
Apr 25 13:25:21 <alan_o> There's a lot of BS in school when I was there about "you could be president." I think that's dumb. Statistically speaking, nobody's going to be president. Instead we should be telling them, "you could be a scientist."
Apr 25 13:25:23 <av500> so it works!
Apr 25 13:25:33 <av500> alan_o: yuck
Apr 25 13:25:36 <alan_o> av500: QED
Apr 25 13:25:41 <av500> cant I by rich instead?
Apr 25 13:25:45 <av500> be
Apr 25 13:25:52 * mru would not mind being rich
Apr 25 13:25:55 <agmlego> alan_o: I think that is what FIRST is for. ;-P
Apr 25 13:26:02 <mru> then again, I'm not spending the money I do have...
Apr 25 13:26:04 <alan_o> no, rich people are bad, they need to pay their fair share.
Apr 25 13:26:12 <alan_o> mru: +1
Apr 25 13:26:24 <mdp> being rich will make you *evil* like a vendor tree
Apr 25 13:26:27 <mru> because if I did, I'd never get rich
Apr 25 13:26:31 <av500> mru: you need a girlfriend
Apr 25 13:26:43 <mru> but she'd spend my money
Apr 25 13:26:44 <mdp> and engineer girlfriend?
Apr 25 13:26:45 <mdp> s/and/an/
Apr 25 13:26:49 <mdp> +1
Apr 25 13:26:49 <panto> that will take care of your riches in no time
Apr 25 13:26:55 <mdp> hehe
Apr 25 13:27:15 <ogra_> an engineer girlfriend will just take your gadgets
Apr 25 13:27:21 <mdp> panto, your SO just support your lavish FOSS lifestyle
Apr 25 13:27:21 <alan_o> mru: that's basically the premise of "The Millionaire next door," that people who become millionaires don't do it by spending a lot of money in flashy ways. Apparently stating the obvious gets you a bestselling book.
Apr 25 13:27:22 <mru> I don't know many engineer girls
Apr 25 13:27:50 <mdp> mru, and we've come full circle
Apr 25 13:27:59 <jackmitchell> I think we had 4 girls in our engineer year of ~150
Apr 25 13:28:03 <av500> mru: eastern europe it is for you then
Apr 25 13:28:12 <av500> or turkey
Apr 25 13:28:18 <mru> I know a few girls from eastern europe
Apr 25 13:28:21 <mru> none of them engineers
Apr 25 13:28:58 <mdp> jackmitchell, 4 females in my EE department at uni..I'm told nothing has changed
Apr 25 13:29:23 <alan_o> There needs to be a "can-do" movement (wrt STEM) among women/girls that isn't standard feminism. Standard feminism turns girls/women off, at least the way it is in the US.
Apr 25 13:29:47 <jackmitchell> mdp: yeah, this was only 2 years ago, so I doubt it's changed much
Apr 25 13:30:10 <alan_o> I guess I'm saying, feminism without the chip on the shoulder about it.
Apr 25 13:30:31 <mdp> alan_o, the interesting thing is that the orgs like SWE and the Unis have been begging for women for 20+ years and it hasn't changed much. definitely missing a key factor
Apr 25 13:30:33 <mru> imo they should stop insisting on tech women getting special treatment
Apr 25 13:30:48 <mru> it's only reinforcing the "we're different" mentality
Apr 25 13:30:55 <alan_o> mru: +1
Apr 25 13:31:18 <mdp> mru, yes, our SWE and minority engineering "clubs" had free tutoring at the Uni
Apr 25 13:31:18 <agmlego> So...like FIRST.
Apr 25 13:31:19 <alan_o> mdp: yes, they're begging, but at that point it's too late.
Apr 25 13:31:30 <mdp> mru, basically had separate orgs from everybody else
Apr 25 13:31:34 <panto> guys, perhaps our profession is not that attractive to women you know
Apr 25 13:31:43 <alan_o> mdp: separate but equal?
Apr 25 13:31:46 <panto> amazing, but true
Apr 25 13:31:54 <mdp> alan_o, heh
Apr 25 13:32:05 <mdp> panto, due to conditioning
Apr 25 13:32:12 <panto> girls don't like to be stuck in a cubicle
Apr 25 13:32:16 <mru> perhaps engineering is inherently less appealing to women on average
Apr 25 13:32:19 <mdp> the game is lost by the time careers/majors are being considered
Apr 25 13:32:21 <panto> they are usually more people oriented
Apr 25 13:32:22 <mru> just like nursing doesn't appeal to men
Apr 25 13:32:37 <mdp> panto, in my world, engineering is people oriented
Apr 25 13:32:40 <mru> panto: _nobody_ likes to be stuck in a cubicle
Apr 25 13:32:49 <alan_o> mru: I do
Apr 25 13:32:57 <mru> then you're a nobody
Apr 25 13:33:00 <alan_o> I mean I prefer an office with a door that closes :)
Apr 25 13:33:08 <panto> yeah, but what are the chances you get to be stuck in one at least at your first years at work
Apr 25 13:33:18 <mdp> does anybody set out to become a saleperson as a young lad/lady?
Apr 25 13:33:24 <agmlego> mdp: Yes.
Apr 25 13:33:31 <mdp> "when I grow up, I want to be a salesperson"
Apr 25 13:33:32 <panto> yep
Apr 25 13:33:32 <mru> I had an office with a door at my first job after uni
Apr 25 13:33:48 <panto> you don't count, you're scandinavian
Apr 25 13:33:56 <mdp> agmlego, so I had a pretty sharp salesguy once tell me...no, nobody in sales ever planned on it ;)
Apr 25 13:33:58 <agmlego> I had an office with no door for a while, then we hired like thirty people.
Apr 25 13:33:58 <mru> that was indeed in norway
Apr 25 13:34:09 <panto> see? :)
Apr 25 13:34:11 <agmlego> mdp: Nobody s/he knew, mayhap.
Apr 25 13:34:32 <agmlego> panto: I am not Scandiavian. ;-P
Apr 25 13:34:44 <panto> you're a statistical error then :)
Apr 25 13:34:53 <mru> lego is scandinavian
Apr 25 13:34:58 <mru> no idea what agm is
Apr 25 13:35:04 <panto> the mushroom theory applies for engineering
Apr 25 13:35:16 <mru> what theory is that?
Apr 25 13:35:19 <agmlego> panto: Mushrooms are tasty.
Apr 25 13:35:29 <panto> 'keep them in the dark and feed them sh*t'
Apr 25 13:35:35 <mdp> rinse well!
Apr 25 13:35:51 <mru> that seems to be what they teach in management school
Apr 25 13:35:53 <alan_o> batter and fry
Apr 25 13:36:29 <mdp> one more day to friday
Apr 25 13:36:40 <mru> and then another useless weekend
Apr 25 13:36:47 <mdp> let's try to stay off-topic
Apr 25 13:36:52 * panto 's eyes are seeing CLK_MUX everywhere 
Apr 25 13:37:01 <mdp> is it really there?
Apr 25 13:37:05 <mdp> or burn-in?
Apr 25 13:37:12 <panto> no clue
Apr 25 13:37:37 <KotH> panto: i know a couple of girls who would have gone into engineering, hadnt their peers told them that "engineering isnt girlish"
Apr 25 13:38:21 <panto> no-one ever said there are no exceptions
Apr 25 13:38:31 <mdp> double double
Apr 25 13:38:32 <panto> we're discussing about the majority
Apr 25 13:40:03 <felipebalbi> finally back here
Apr 25 13:40:14 <panto> felipebalbi, wb
Apr 25 13:40:26 <panto> so how many women in engineering in .br ? :)
Apr 25 13:40:28 <mdp> felipebalbi, home?
Apr 25 13:40:54 <felipebalbi> mdp: yup
Apr 25 13:41:13 <felipebalbi> panto: in .br ? not many
Apr 25 13:41:28 <felipebalbi> panto: when I joined university (Electrical Engineering) we were 94 students, 4 girls
Apr 25 13:41:29 <mdp> panto, I send my daughter to SWE stuff at the local Uni so she sees other women in engineering
Apr 25 13:41:40 <felipebalbi> 89 ugly ass guys and gorgeous me
Apr 25 13:41:41 <felipebalbi> heh
Apr 25 13:41:49 <panto> mdp, your desperate attempts to make an engineer of your daughter are noted :)
Apr 25 13:41:55 <mdp> panto, they have some outreach stuff that is useful
Apr 25 13:42:45 <mdp> panto, not really...but she likes working on mindstorms together..so it's all about exposing to the wider world
Apr 25 13:42:45 <felipebalbi> mdp: ain't it nice when I need to merge somebody else's tree because they can't solve conflicts by themselves ? :-p
Apr 25 13:42:48 <mru> mdp: does she have the knack?
Apr 25 13:43:12 <mdp> mru, she's curious and asks "why" and "how"..not sure yet
Apr 25 13:43:25 <felipebalbi> mru: that's easy to figure out. Give her enough components and see if she builds a small ham-radio
Apr 25 13:43:45 <mru> it happens with some regularity that I speak with women who clearly have at least some of the knack, yet are nowhere near engineering
Apr 25 13:44:06 <mru> felipebalbi: or give her a radio and see if she takes it apart
Apr 25 13:44:12 <mdp> mru, I know auto mechanics that would make great engineers..but culture told them math was too hard
Apr 25 13:44:21 <felipebalbi> mru: yeah, but that's too easy.. :-p
Apr 25 13:44:31 <mru> mdp: I bet they're great mechanics though
Apr 25 13:44:47 <mdp> they can solve problems/debug/troubleshoot
Apr 25 13:44:53 <mdp> yep
Apr 25 13:45:00 <felipebalbi> mru: I guess my wife's got the knack. She built a working dimmer LED controller with an Arduino and a trimpot
Apr 25 13:45:10 <felipebalbi> mru: but she doesn't want to play with geek-stuff anymore :-s
Apr 25 13:45:23 <mdp> felipebalbi, baby! ;)
Apr 25 13:45:32 <felipebalbi> mdp: heh ;)
Apr 25 13:46:47 <mdp> felipebalbi, I should give you a pull request with conflicts to keep you busy
Apr 25 13:46:56 <mdp> you sound idle!
Apr 25 13:47:04 <felipebalbi> mdp: I'm not *that* idle :-p
Apr 25 13:47:11 <felipebalbi> mdp: it's just that I'm awesomely productive :-p
Apr 25 13:47:12 <mdp> heh
Apr 25 13:47:13 <felipebalbi> heh
Apr 25 13:48:09 <mdp> today's thought: you know you are at an all-time low when you are developing in a 2011.09 U-boot tree
Apr 25 13:49:03 <felipebalbi> :-p
Apr 25 13:49:06 <felipebalbi> brb
Apr 25 13:49:51 <tsjsieb> 'heh' seems to be the 'lol' for beaglers, am I right?
Apr 25 13:50:03 <tsjsieb> I like it, heh!
Apr 25 13:50:08 <mdp> only when we aren't loling
Apr 25 13:50:16 <av500> hah
Apr 25 13:50:21 <mdp> heh
Apr 25 13:50:25 <mdp> hoho
Apr 25 13:50:50 <av500> only when we are tr'lol'ing
Apr 25 13:51:38 <alan_o> mdp: there's lower than that. On one of my jobs lately, I'm working in Visual Studio 2005.
Apr 25 13:52:27 <mdp> alan_o, you don't know how much better that makes me feel
Apr 25 13:52:32 * av500 used windows XP today
Apr 25 13:52:44 <mdp> alan_o, however, my target platform in a simulator running in a Windows 7 VM
Apr 25 13:52:49 <mdp> s/in/is/
Apr 25 13:53:21 <alan_o> mdp: happy to fuel your schadenfreude :)
Apr 25 13:54:26 <alan_o> however, old u-boot + windows VM may be on par.
Apr 25 13:54:40 <felipebalbi> mdp: heh
Apr 25 13:55:15 <mdp> alan_o, I love the smell of fresh hardware in the morning
Apr 25 13:55:55 <alan_o> so long as it's not the smell of leaking smoke...
Apr 25 13:55:58 <mdp> back to reading the sim manual
Apr 25 13:56:21 <mdp> when it's not working, eventually you have to resort to the manual for #exactsteps
Apr 25 13:56:50 <felipebalbi> mdp: usually it involves making an offering to the ancient alien gods
Apr 25 13:57:28 <mdp> :)
Apr 25 14:13:22 <av500> http://www.ismytwitterpasswordsecure.com/
Apr 25 14:13:40 <ogra_> lol
Apr 25 14:24:51 <gandaro> av500: i was just going to enter fake data :(
Apr 25 14:25:12 <gandaro> and it says i should not
Apr 25 14:25:15 <gandaro> that's mean!!
Apr 25 14:30:01 <lyakh> has anyone here perhaps used the musb_dsps USB OTG driver on an AM33xx system?
Apr 25 14:31:50 <BakingMilk> Hi
Apr 25 14:32:34 <av500> hi
Apr 25 14:32:41 <av500> lyakh: one musb not use it!
Apr 25 14:33:10 <lyakh> av500: ? parse not able ;-)
Apr 25 14:33:34 <av500> s/b/t/ :)
Apr 25 14:34:51 <lyakh> av500: ookeeey... that's encouraging :( any more context available, please?
Apr 25 14:35:07 <sSagara> Yo
Apr 25 14:35:53 <sSagara> Does anyone here know hot the bb black compares to the raspberry pi
Apr 25 14:35:57 <av500> lyakh: musb is sadly in a state of constant "almost" worling
Apr 25 14:36:21 <lyakh> av500: but nothing better is available?
Apr 25 14:36:21 <av500> http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/25/beaglebone-black-vs-raspberry-pi-features-and-price-comparison/
Apr 25 14:36:27 <av500> sSagara: ^^^
Apr 25 14:36:30 <av500> lyakh: better?
Apr 25 14:36:33 <av500> not in this SoC
Apr 25 14:36:44 <lyakh> av500: cool, thanks...
Apr 25 14:37:36 <sSagara> Same memory
Apr 25 14:37:44 <av500> true
Apr 25 14:38:16 <av500> sSagara: on short_
Apr 25 14:38:21 <av500> sSagara: in short:
Apr 25 14:38:24 <sSagara> The pi has two USB ports though
Apr 25 14:38:35 <av500> if you want to install xbmc and pretend you have a computer, use a pi
Apr 25 14:38:51 <sSagara> And the bb black?
Apr 25 14:38:53 <av500> if you want to learn/use embedded linux and connect stuff, use bone
Apr 25 14:39:05 <sSagara> I use my pi for an Internet radio
Apr 25 14:39:15 <sSagara> Hmm
Apr 25 14:39:23 <mdp> I use my mobile phone for an internet radio
Apr 25 14:39:39 <av500> for internet radio even the pi is overpowered
Apr 25 14:39:40 <sSagara> I have a stereo I hooked it into
Apr 25 14:39:54 <av500> yes
Apr 25 14:39:54 <mdp> mpc823 is all you need, in fact
Apr 25 14:40:21 <av500> mdp: no trolling
Apr 25 14:40:29 <mdp> kerbango ftw
Apr 25 14:40:33 <sSagara> I have Mac running on auto and my iPhone running a Mac client
Apr 25 14:40:45 <mdp> av500, trolling tomorrow?
Apr 25 14:40:48 <av500> yes
Apr 25 14:40:52 <av500> 2-4pm
Apr 25 14:40:53 <av500> sharp
Apr 25 14:40:55 <mdp> ok, then
Apr 25 14:40:58 <sSagara> (Stupid auto correct)
Apr 25 14:41:12 <mdp> 2-4pmish sharp, right!
Apr 25 14:41:13 <sSagara> I have mpc running
Apr 25 14:41:42 <sSagara> Thanks
Apr 25 14:42:10 <av500> as said
Apr 25 14:43:37 <bradfa> ugt times?
Apr 25 14:44:42 <av500> yes
Apr 25 14:45:16 <tsjsieb> I think it's lik irc time, it's always morning when you come in, always night when you leave so I guess it's always between 2-4pm when trolling?
Apr 25 14:45:36 <mdp> "it's always noon somewhere"
Apr 25 14:51:31 <terisk> I ordered a beaglebone black, looking forward to it!
Apr 25 14:52:28 <av500> good
Apr 25 14:52:39 <bradfa> oh look, Ubuntu now has Mac and PC versions...
Apr 25 14:52:45 <av500> koen really needs that 2nd Ferrari
Apr 25 14:53:40 <tsjsieb> what kind is the first one?
Apr 25 14:54:18 <tsjsieb> ( /me really thinks that was not a troll)
Apr 25 14:54:23 <tsjsieb> ...
Apr 25 14:54:38 <bradfa> f40 I think
Apr 25 14:56:28 <av500> hard to say after he totalled it
Apr 25 14:57:01 <bradfa> ooo, new version of gnu ed is out!
Apr 25 14:57:22 <tsjsieb> someone parked a f360 (almost) in front of the office here..... it's saying 'look, you can never afford me!, ghehe! :(
Apr 25 14:57:50 * bradfa goes to meetings for the rest of eternity
Apr 25 14:58:00 <tsjsieb> And I think I would work on, untill I could aford an f40
Apr 25 14:58:09 <tsjsieb> goodluck !
Apr 25 14:58:14 <tsjsieb> we will remember you
Apr 25 14:58:16 <tsjsieb> (maybe)
Apr 25 14:58:50 * tsjsieb is going home
Apr 25 14:58:51 <koen> my car goes onto the production line next week according to the dealer
Apr 25 14:58:56 <koen> but it's not a ferrari :)
Apr 25 14:59:12 <tsjsieb> and it won't feel like eternity I think
Apr 25 14:59:25 <mru> koen: clint not paying you well?
Apr 25 14:59:41 <koen> not well enough for 2 ferraris
Apr 25 14:59:52 <av500> koen: what happened to the blue car?
Apr 25 15:00:01 <mru> how much is a ferrari these days?
Apr 25 15:00:01 <tsjsieb> koen: but it won't be a normal 'opel' (vauxhaul) either, if they tell you when it's going to be produced?
Apr 25 15:00:27 <koen> vw golf
Apr 25 15:00:34 <av500> meh
Apr 25 15:00:38 <av500> how mundane
Apr 25 15:01:58 <tsjsieb> and reliable, just like angstrom!
Apr 25 15:02:16 <koen> av500: no trailer hitch, so it's "different"
Apr 25 15:03:22 <av500> right
Apr 25 15:15:49 <shoragan> koen, do you know where you picked up https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/commit/38a64b0ad5f7c9efd3a343f46f4e3c84d85f08c2 ?
Apr 25 15:19:26 <koen> shoragan: beagle mailinglist
Apr 25 15:19:47 <koen> there's a better patch according to TI, but that doesn't apply
Apr 25 15:19:56 <koen> so I went with this one
Apr 25 15:22:01 <shoragan> koen, ah, found it
Apr 25 15:24:04 <av500> ifdef hell
Apr 25 15:37:42 <Stefan__> Hello :)
Apr 25 15:38:39 <Stefan__> I was trying to compile a kernel module today and got a case of the "mach/memory.h: No such file or directory" Apparently that's not uncommon, but where do I get the headers from to solve this?
Apr 25 15:39:19 <Stefan__> btw, the new site is a huge improvement! congrats on that!
Apr 25 15:40:54 <dm8tbr> just a kernel module? not the whole kernel?
Apr 25 15:41:08 <Stefan__> just a plug-in module yes
Apr 25 15:41:59 <Stefan__> do you need any other info?
Apr 25 15:43:15 <dm8tbr> unless you are happy with 'the kernel source or headers'
Apr 25 15:43:33 <dm8tbr> although I guess not many people here still compile single modules nowadays
Apr 25 15:43:58 <mdp> Stefan__, <asm/memory.h>, but the driver sounds to be doing something very wrong
Apr 25 15:45:02 <Stefan__> Well, I did not write it myself, it's a GPMC to FPGA FIFO driver
Apr 25 15:45:14 <Stefan__> mdp: would you like to have a look at the code?
Apr 25 15:46:08 <Stefan__> https://github.com/fpga-logi/Logi-kernel/blob/master/beaglebone/modules/edma_fifo_module/logibone_edma_fifo.c
Apr 25 15:47:40 <Stefan__> mdp: I'll try to compile with asm/memory.h, let's see
Apr 25 15:49:03 <mdp> did you remove mach/memory.h and see what is undefined?
Apr 25 15:49:27 <Stefan__> Ok, it compiles (with a passing wrong argument warning) but it does
Apr 25 15:49:31 <Stefan__> let me do that as well
Apr 25 15:49:48 <mdp> yeah, I didn't see any use of the plat_phys stuff
Apr 25 15:49:59 <mranostay> mourning-o
Apr 25 15:50:05 <mdp> that's why I said "doing something wrong" as there would be no reason for that in a driver
Apr 25 15:50:24 <Stefan__> mdp: yeah, I looked into the memory.h before compiling and it did not make sense to me either
Apr 25 15:50:33 <Stefan__> it compiles with and without it with the same results
Apr 25 15:50:52 <Stefan__> I'll go talk to the guy :D
Apr 25 15:51:46 <Stefan__> Thanks a lot mdp! My brain is fried (my PhD defense is on Monday), should have figured this out by myself instead of bothering you :)
Apr 25 15:52:00 <mdp> fifo mode edma transfers have very strict alignment restrictions
Apr 25 15:52:03 <letothe2nd> balcony+beer: mission accomplished! :)
Apr 25 15:52:19 <mdp> you can achieve the same effect with incr mode and 0 increment
Apr 25 15:52:44 <mdp> but I wouldn't touch working code ;)
Apr 25 15:53:00 * dm8tbr plays with new hardware
Apr 25 15:53:01 <Stefan__> mdp: I understand the rest of the driver, but the edma stuff -- I'm just a n00b
Apr 25 15:53:18 <Stefan__> so I dare not touch it :)
Apr 25 15:54:25 <Stefan__> I am going to go for that beer + balcony idea :)
Apr 25 15:54:33 <Stefan__> thanks yet again guys!
Apr 25 15:54:34 <Stefan__> :)
Apr 25 15:54:49 <mranostay> dm8tbr: which i?
Apr 25 15:54:51 <mranostay> *is?
Apr 25 15:55:02 <dm8tbr> mranostay: something you'll like
Apr 25 15:57:15 <letothe2nd> hm?
Apr 25 16:16:08 <Martin_> Hello everyone, I have a small question: How powerful is the BeagleBone Black, compared to the BeagleBoard-xM, when it comes to computational intensive software?
Apr 25 16:16:22 <fester> 4
Apr 25 16:16:27 <mdp> 11
Apr 25 16:16:32 <mru> 26
Apr 25 16:16:33 <fester> 4-11
Apr 25 16:16:34 <Martin_> (I am thinking of the SNES project and the XBMC project - do they have any chance to run?)
Apr 25 16:16:57 <fester> buncha smart asses in here
Apr 25 16:17:26 <mdp> 11.3.3.2.2
Apr 25 16:17:29 <thurbad> they can both go at 1GHz
Apr 25 16:17:37 <mdp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps47MOHF9x8
Apr 25 16:17:40 <thurbad> neither has floting point...
Apr 25 16:17:47 <thurbad> floating
Apr 25 16:17:50 <mru> uh?
Apr 25 16:17:54 <ogra_> heh ?
Apr 25 16:17:54 <mru> you trolling?
Apr 25 16:18:16 <thurbad> which part?
Apr 25 16:18:36 <mru> float
Apr 25 16:19:04 <mdp> heh
Apr 25 16:19:07 <Martin_> mdp: Thanks for the link!
Apr 25 16:19:08 <thurbad> does the am335 on the black have hardware floats?
Apr 25 16:19:23 <ogra_> both do
Apr 25 16:19:59 <mdp> only if you count the arm core
Apr 25 16:20:08 <mdp> the prus don't have floating point
Apr 25 16:20:09 <thurbad> without using neon?
Apr 25 16:20:14 <fester> i can't remember the last processor without a floating point
Apr 25 16:20:14 <mdp> ;)
Apr 25 16:20:30 <mru> I have an arm926 somewhere around here
Apr 25 16:20:33 <mru> no hw float on that
Apr 25 16:20:47 * ogra_ has an nslu2 
Apr 25 16:21:00 <ogra_> definitely no hw float on that
Apr 25 16:21:24 * mdp wonders about the point of this
Apr 25 16:21:37 <mru> it's floating
Apr 25 16:21:49 <fester> hyuk
Apr 25 16:21:53 <ogra_> hard ...
Apr 25 16:22:00 <mdp> bitbanging
Apr 25 16:22:10 <letothe2nd> hard bitbanging?
Apr 25 16:22:44 <Martin_> To rephrase my question: Does the Linux desktop run equally smooth on BeagleBone Black and BeagleBoard-xM
Apr 25 16:22:48 <Martin_> ?
Apr 25 16:23:02 <ogra_> which desktop
Apr 25 16:23:09 <Martin_> Any one, really
Apr 25 16:24:01 <letothe2nd> a bash running screen/tmux is equally performant, so yes.
Apr 25 16:25:26 <shapr> I like boyobu ( http://byobu.co/ ) it works with either or
Apr 25 16:25:52 <Martin_> Some might say tmux lacks too many of the desktop metaphors to be called a desktop..
Apr 25 16:27:13 <shapr> Martin_: I'm able to run graphical applications from my raspberry pi. I'm using ssh -X so they appear on my Linux desktop. The Beagle boards all have more CPU horsepower than the Pi, so ssh -X usage should be fine.
Apr 25 16:27:45 <shapr> Martin_: Do you have a specific use in mind?
Apr 25 16:29:09 <shapr> Ah, I see you mentioned SNES and XBMC. If you want to play 1080p video, I'd suggest the Raspberry Pi, it has a more powerful graphics processor.
Apr 25 16:29:32 <shapr> But I want a beagleboard because it has lots more pins available, and it fits into an Altoids tin :-)
Apr 25 16:29:33 <Martin_> I just ordered my first Beagle, the BeagleBone Black. Among other things, I am thinking of putting it into the case of my old (broken) SNES, install an emulator on it, and see if it runs
Apr 25 16:29:41 <shapr> Martin_: Oh that sounds cool!
Apr 25 16:30:19 <shapr> Martin_: the bbb has lots of pins, I bet you can connect your controllers too!
Apr 25 16:30:48 <Martin_> Ohh! Great idea! I was thinking of converting the controllers to USB, but your idea sounds like more fun!
Apr 25 16:31:03 <panto> lots of pins...
Apr 25 16:31:30 <shapr> panto: compared to the GPIO pins on the Pi or an Arduino, yah
Apr 25 16:31:41 <Martin_> Plus, I could use the old connectors...
Apr 25 16:31:49 <shapr> Right, that would be especially cool.
Apr 25 16:32:06 <shapr> Were the SNES controllers analog?
Apr 25 16:32:11 * shapr googles around
Apr 25 16:32:11 <CareBear\> no
Apr 25 16:32:59 <shapr> CareBear\: In that case, should work nicely with all the GPIO pins on the bbb
Apr 25 16:33:48 <CareBear\> what do you want to do with the controller in the end?
Apr 25 16:35:45 <Martin_> CareBear: Play the game!
Apr 25 16:36:18 <Martin_> Hmm, looking at the dimensions, the board should even fit into an old cartridge. The ultimate, golden cartridge.
Apr 25 16:37:36 <shapr> Martin_: How will you switch games?
Apr 25 16:43:35 <Martin_> shapr: The BeagleSNES boots into a GUI-frontend, where you can switch between games using your controller. The project - as is - expects USB controllers.
Apr 25 16:44:25 <Martin_> Hmm... Lots of things to think about! Unfortunately, I have to run - thanks everyone, for your input!
Apr 25 16:46:22 <CareBear\> Martin_ : just get an NXP LPC11U24 to turn the gamepad into USB
Apr 25 17:57:57 <mranostay> _av500__: you have a 35mm camera somewhere? :)
Apr 25 17:58:40 <mru> he has more than one
Apr 25 17:58:40 * mranostay wonders how much 35mm film costs now
Apr 25 18:00:27 <mranostay> mru: i saw someone with an actual film camera the other day probably the first time in like 5 years i've seen that :P
Apr 25 18:01:08 <emeb> must have been a cave man
Apr 25 18:01:11 <emeb> or a luddite
Apr 25 18:01:41 <mru> or av500
Apr 25 18:02:48 <mranostay> not unless av500 can pull off a middle age short asian lady disguise
Apr 25 18:02:59 <mru> you'd be surprised
Apr 25 18:03:12 <panto> -EMINDBLEACH
Apr 25 18:05:52 <mranostay> panto: don't be a baby
Apr 25 18:06:18 <mranostay> so refresh my memory boost converter with no load is a bad idea correct?
Apr 25 18:06:20 <panto> I become one when I imagine av500 dressed in a old lady disguise
Apr 25 18:06:40 <mranostay> panto: i said middle age for the record
Apr 25 18:08:15 <mdp> mranostay, you're sorta on vacation now, eh?
Apr 25 18:12:00 <mranostay> i wouldn't call it a vacation
Apr 25 18:12:49 <chupacabra> I just ordered a black.  When can I really expect to see it?
Apr 25 18:13:01 <mru> when it arrives
Apr 25 18:13:09 <chupacabra> lol  nice
Apr 25 18:13:11 <chupacabra> heheh
Apr 25 18:13:27 <zamn> does anyone know the best way to contact jkridner about gsoc information? I've been trying irc for the past couple of days but it seems we don't go on at the same time :x.
Apr 25 18:14:04 <terisk> chupacabra: my element14 order says estimated shipping on 5/13...not sure how reliable that is
Apr 25 18:14:17 <chupacabra> this channel got a bot? You could leave him your email or whatever
Apr 25 18:14:37 <zamn> client crash -_-
Apr 25 18:15:02 <chupacabra> terisk, ya i ordered from them. Something about June I saw.
Apr 25 18:16:37 <chupacabra> does everyone here have a pi?
Apr 25 18:16:42 <mranostay> zamn: probably at DesignWest getting swamped
Apr 25 18:16:46 <chupacabra> or two
Apr 25 18:16:51 <mranostay> chupacabra: or zero
Apr 25 18:16:59 <chupacabra> hehe
Apr 25 18:17:22 <zamn> mranostay: so what would be my best bet to get in contact with him before the application period ends? :x
Apr 25 18:18:49 <chupacabra> supposed to apply for something and it doesnt have a email address?
Apr 25 18:19:29 <chupacabra> they dont really want anybody I guess, or only those that can scheme a way in.
Apr 25 18:21:05 <mru> so get scheming
Apr 25 18:22:02 <mranostay> mru: death ray cape?
Apr 25 18:22:09 <mru> you're in
Apr 25 18:23:06 <koen> zamn: what about the beagleboard-gsoc mailinglist?
Apr 25 18:24:23 <mranostay> mru: https://www.unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=27_82
Apr 25 18:25:07 <chupacabra> reading the getting started page.  I WANT my beagle.  hehe
Apr 25 18:27:13 <zamn> koen:  I didnt know one existed heh
Apr 25 18:30:40 <chupacabra> got my invoice  and it says shipping 5/13  wheeeee.
Apr 25 18:31:52 <chupacabra> where they make them?  sure they make a coupla hundred a day?
Apr 25 18:41:28 <woglinde> so lets see 13.04
Apr 25 18:46:20 <mranostay> mru: thoughts on the new ubuntu release? :P
Apr 25 18:46:42 <mru> meh
Apr 25 18:47:28 <woglinde> I thought mru has its own linux from scratc
Apr 25 18:47:29 <woglinde> h
Apr 25 18:48:03 <dm8tbr> is it called "meh'ing mru"? ;)
Apr 25 18:48:58 <woglinde> hm 2000 packages to download
Apr 25 18:50:12 <mranostay> meh dist-upgrade
Apr 25 18:54:00 <dm8tbr> mranostay: new package manager or just an shell alias? ;)
Apr 25 18:54:27 <mranostay> does it matter?
Apr 25 18:55:18 <woglinde> with my crappy 2 mbit line it will last a while
Apr 25 18:56:17 <mranostay> woglinde: where you live?
Apr 25 18:57:09 <woglinde> germany
Apr 25 18:57:42 <woglinde> berlin and yes there are places you do not get better and LTE I do not like
Apr 25 18:58:48 <mru> and I thought internet in the uk sucked
Apr 25 18:59:28 <mranostay> sucks in the Bay Area for sure
Apr 25 18:59:31 <woglinde> and It is really funny to get commercial with vdsl
Apr 25 19:00:45 <mdp> the urban .us folks insult me for only being able to get 50mbps/5mbps in my locale
Apr 25 19:00:50 <mdp> "how can you survive?!?"
Apr 25 19:02:07 <mranostay> heh
Apr 25 19:02:28 <woglinde> hm lets see maybee I can get a faster line now
Apr 25 19:02:31 * mranostay hopes portland is more sane with internet speeds
Apr 25 19:02:52 <mdp> mranostay, anywhere without google fiber is left behind ;)
Apr 25 19:03:51 <woglinde> intressting now they claim I can get the 50mbiz
Apr 25 19:03:53 <mranostay> not moving to Austin or other crappy places they have it :)
Apr 25 19:04:10 <mdp> mranostay, I mean, you might have to leave the house and see people f2f..etc.
Apr 25 19:04:12 <mranostay> like who lives in Kansas City for instance on purpose :)
Apr 25 19:04:21 <mru> rednecks
Apr 25 19:04:26 <mdp> yeah!
Apr 25 19:04:28 <mdp> "those people"
Apr 25 19:05:09 <mdp> mranostay, the people that live there are raising the next generation of kids to move away to the bay area etc.
Apr 25 19:05:15 <mdp> mranostay, sorta like my area ;)
Apr 25 19:06:08 <mranostay> Ohio the state with zero jobs :)
Apr 25 19:07:02 <mdp> perception is everything
Apr 25 19:07:04 <mdp> stay out
Apr 25 19:08:53 <mdp> mranostay, looking at these early BBB articles..I keep hoping to see somebody demo a PRU app on one of those A4s ;)
Apr 25 19:08:58 <fester> fewer skilled workers means the workers that are present get paid more
Apr 25 19:09:27 <mranostay> heh
Apr 25 19:09:31 <mdp> a nice theory
Apr 25 19:09:49 <mranostay> fester: except you have 50 people applying for the same engineering job :)
Apr 25 19:09:50 <fester> what's the alternative?
Apr 25 19:10:12 <mranostay> since usually anyone applying for that job is 'stuck' in the area and they know it
Apr 25 19:10:17 <mdp> so like everywhere..there's tech companies..it works like most other ones
Apr 25 19:10:25 <mdp> a lot of s/w is outsourced
Apr 25 19:10:27 <djk_> Does anyone know if there is a 1G RAM version planned?
Apr 25 19:11:20 <mdp> a particular startup I know with a need for specific control theory feedback loop experience had to hire engineers in the bay area..couldn't get those with 15+ year experience to relocate
Apr 25 19:11:46 <mdp> they had their 4-5 core people at local HQ..but couldn't expand locally
Apr 25 19:11:57 <mdp> you can get all the freshouts you want
Apr 25 19:13:00 <mranostay> mdp: relocate from the bay area you mean?
Apr 25 19:13:18 <mdp> or another concentrated area that had people with that specific experience
Apr 25 19:15:25 <mdp> mranostay, there's one too for a 802.11/linux person..and they advertise "can be located anywhere worldwide"
Apr 25 20:21:48 <mgreci> hello Im looking for the CAD files/specs in order to create a cape for the beaglebone
Apr 25 20:25:36 <Russ> mgreci, check the beaglebone srm
Apr 25 20:27:34 <ka6sox> moaning
Apr 25 20:27:44 <panto> hi ka6sox
Apr 25 20:28:38 <ka6sox> hiya panto
Apr 25 20:28:59 <ka6sox> slept 1/2 the day away...anything happen?
Apr 25 20:29:13 <woglinde> hi ka6sox
Apr 25 20:29:20 <woglinde> 600 packages to go
Apr 25 20:29:25 <panto> north korea attacked
Apr 25 20:29:30 <panto> LA is gone
Apr 25 20:29:49 <ka6sox> is that what that Glow was last night...
Apr 25 20:30:03 <mru> panto: just don't say that on twitter
Apr 25 20:30:08 <mru> unless you want to ruin the economy
Apr 25 20:30:11 <ka6sox> panto, saves me a trip tomoorrow...
Apr 25 20:30:13 <panto> I'm not reuters
Apr 25 20:30:19 <agmlego> Or do, and watch the hilarious consequences.
Apr 25 20:30:37 <mru> agmlego: let me move my money to a safe place first
Apr 25 20:30:51 <agmlego> mru: There are no safe places.
Apr 25 20:31:03 <ka6sox> agmlego, +1e99
Apr 25 20:31:15 <mru> some are safer than others
Apr 25 20:31:45 <agmlego> mru: Safety is an illusion perpetrated by those in power.
Apr 25 20:33:22 <mru> I figure precious metals are safer than hedge funds
Apr 25 20:33:47 <mru> of course the value of gold is artificially inflated
Apr 25 20:33:49 <agmlego> YOu figure wrong.
Apr 25 20:34:29 <mru> commodities with real industrial value and a long shelf-life might be a better bet
Apr 25 20:34:53 <agmlego> I suggest robots.
Apr 25 20:35:14 <mru> it also depends on how dire a situation you're preparing for
Apr 25 20:36:00 <ka6sox> solar flare
Apr 25 20:36:14 <agmlego> mru: Nothing short of the total annhilation of the species, planet, and surrounding bodies.
Apr 25 20:36:40 <mru> in that case I'll be dead along with the rest
Apr 25 20:36:47 <mru> so I don't care about protecting my assets
Apr 25 20:37:59 <agmlego> I do though.
Apr 25 20:38:26 <mru> got an escape plan?
Apr 25 20:38:45 <agmlego> Of course.
Apr 25 21:02:33 <_av500__> escape cape
Apr 25 21:02:48 * panto pull the eject lever
Apr 25 21:02:51 <panto> *pulls
Apr 25 21:04:44 <_av500_> there, now it's simple: http://linuxgizmos.com/arm-development-studio-adds-full-linux-support/
Apr 25 21:06:35 <mdp> is that like FullHD?
Apr 25 21:10:31 <mru> yeah, earlier it was just linux-ready
Apr 25 21:20:28 <ka6sox> panto, looks like rbarris survived...
Apr 25 21:20:49 <ka6sox> (or his ghost)
Apr 25 21:23:09 <woglinde> 100 packages to go
Apr 25 21:23:46 <ka6sox> woglinde, what are you working on today?
Apr 25 21:25:42 <woglinde> updating
Apr 25 21:25:50 <woglinde> ubuntu
Apr 25 21:26:00 <ka6sox> oh
Apr 25 21:26:30 <ka6sox> given the length of time I thought you were emerging world
Apr 25 21:27:54 <woglinde> only 2 mbit
Apr 25 21:34:13 <rbarris> what's up ka6sox ?
Apr 25 21:34:59 <TehRealGawd> Does the BeagleBoard Black have a microSD slot?
Apr 25 21:35:11 <TehRealGawd> looked @ reviews and didn't see 1 I may just be overlooking it
Apr 25 21:36:06 <panto> yes
Apr 25 21:36:33 <ka6sox> rumours of the Demise of the OC are greatly exaggerated.
Apr 25 21:38:09 <ka6sox> rbarris, moving slowly today.
Apr 25 21:38:11 <mdp> Zalman is coming out with a cooling system so we can OC the PRUs
Apr 25 21:38:20 <mdp> saw something on FB
Apr 25 21:38:48 <ka6sox> LOL
Apr 25 21:40:40 <ka6sox> mdp, a while ago some folks were OC'ing 3430's and i watched the temps spike up to 68-70C on the internal temp monitor.
Apr 25 21:41:26 <ka6sox> fastest I saw a 3430 go was about 1.1Ghz(then it fell apart)
Apr 25 21:42:49 <mdp> heh
Apr 25 21:43:02 <ka6sox> OPP11
Apr 25 21:44:10 <mdp> +1
Apr 25 21:44:59 <mdp> ka6sox, for when you are hardcore bitbanging at OPP10..and need to go just a bit faster
Apr 25 21:45:03 <mdp> turn it up
Apr 25 21:45:29 <ka6sox> these were on some phones.
Apr 25 21:46:43 <ka6sox> the 3630 was even better..I got mine to 1.2Ghz(for about 10 seconds)
Apr 25 22:15:58 <ka6sox> Turl, you here?
Apr 25 22:18:14 <Turl> ka6sox: yep
Apr 25 22:18:41 <ka6sox> looked @ the proposal....looks good.
Apr 25 22:19:41 <ka6sox> did you put that on the ML? (or did I miss it?)
Apr 25 22:20:00 <Turl> ka6sox: not the proposal itself, but I sent an early email some time ago
Apr 25 22:20:08 <Turl> I didn't get any replies though
Apr 25 22:21:02 <ka6sox> send this to the ML and ask for comments. I don't expect many comments on it...but thats kind of the next step.
Apr 25 22:22:50 <panto> 'night
Apr 25 22:22:56 <ka6sox> nite panto
Apr 25 22:23:22 <mranostay> panto: LATER!
Apr 25 22:23:37 <Turl> I'll do that then, thanks ka6sox
Apr 25 22:24:32 <ka6sox> yw, its a good proposal...and one that I'd like to work to get done :)
Apr 25 22:48:57 <mrpackethead> do doh do.
Apr 25 23:53:39 <mranostay> NishanthMenon: !!
Apr 26 00:33:54 <chupacabra> the black has a SD size slot, right?  Not microsd?
Apr 26 00:34:23 <mru> micro
Apr 26 00:34:50 <chupacabra> ok.  I have both.
Apr 26 01:05:30 <MrNiceGuy_> *passes out free cupcakes
Apr 26 01:06:07 <ds2> looks stale....I'll stick with the jellybeans
Apr 26 01:06:18 <mru> how is a cupcake different from a muffin?
Apr 26 01:08:02 <calculus> cupcakes typically have frosting
Apr 26 01:18:51 <ka6sox> mru, frosting
Apr 26 01:19:17 <mru> and that warrants an entire new name?
Apr 26 01:19:47 <ka6sox> well...muffins have things like nuts and other goodies in them...
Apr 26 01:19:51 <mru> it's odd too, since plain 'cake' doesn't require frosting
Apr 26 01:20:01 <ka6sox> cupcakes are cake batter + frosting
Apr 26 01:20:35 <ka6sox> mru, remember who cupcakes are marketed to....
Apr 26 01:21:27 <mru> people who'd think it's something novel
Apr 26 01:21:35 <mru> hmm, the patent office?
Apr 26 01:21:42 <ka6sox> Children!
Apr 26 01:21:53 <mru> the patent office uses child labour?!
Apr 26 01:23:43 <ka6sox> no, just genius' who can blow up the world.
Apr 26 01:24:35 <mranostay> mru: what is with the extra 'u'?
Apr 26 01:25:43 <FordPrefect> hello
Apr 26 01:27:02 <FordPrefect> bots
Apr 26 01:30:39 <calculus> also they have cupcake competition tv shows, I haven't seen muffing competition shows
Apr 26 01:39:49 * chupacabra hates those cupcake shows
Apr 26 01:40:52 * chupacabra watches Top Gear.
Apr 26 01:41:54 * chupacabra could throw a rock and hit 3 cupcake trailers
Apr 26 01:41:57 <mrpackethead> mranostay: U U U U U U.. because we can spell
Apr 26 01:48:54 <ka6sox> w00h00! got my Laguna Seca tickets today...
Apr 26 01:55:09 <ds2> wonder if there are cup biscuits
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