**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 02 02:59:58 2013 May 02 03:00:34 I did not May 02 03:00:49 * mranostay finds Lysol May 02 03:00:55 * mranostay sprays prpplague May 02 03:01:24 * prpplague goes back to debugging trainer lure May 02 03:01:56 mranostay, did you use PRU0 for anything parallel IO ish before. May 02 03:02:38 ka6sox: what's the problem. that's what shifting is for....:P May 02 03:02:58 ka6sox: IO no May 02 03:03:14 PRU_EVTOUT_2, but it takes cycles to do this... May 02 03:03:47 S L O W S E V E R Y T H I N G D O W N .... May 02 03:03:55 ka6sox: do it on the arm...? May 02 03:04:12 no! do it on the second pru! the other pru can be a pru coprocessor. May 02 03:04:34 for this app BOTH PRUs are going to be FLAT OUT. May 02 03:04:50 except now I just took a HUGE hit May 02 03:05:28 its not GPIO its GPI and GPO May 02 03:05:34 could always access system memory and pull from standard gpio. might be worth the few extra cycles to pull from system memory. May 02 03:06:12 crap...this is getting UGLY May 02 03:06:19 1-5, 7, 14,15 May 02 03:06:22 if you can't reorder in like 3 cycles, would be worth it. May 02 03:06:23 REALLY???? May 02 03:06:45 err, no, 5? May 02 03:06:45 nothing contiguous on byte boundries? May 02 03:06:59 0-5, 7, 14, 15 May 02 03:07:02 thats what is there. May 02 03:08:35 either that or I write the Fugliest dtbo in the planet to switch pinmuxing EVERY STINKING MEMORY CYCLE. May 02 03:15:11 i got 5 cycles for reordering all those to contiguous. :-| May 02 03:15:28 8 or 9 bits May 02 03:16:48 PRU_EVTOUT_2, I got something UGLY that does it in 3 May 02 03:17:06 i suck. May 02 03:17:26 how do you make asm ugly? May 02 03:17:27 I said UGLY May 02 03:18:04 you copy into scratchpad and then transfer and AND May 02 03:18:23 from PRU1 to PRU0 May 02 03:19:00 :o May 02 03:20:42 except it takes 2 shifts...so back to 5 May 02 03:20:45 I suck May 02 03:22:58 5 cycles means 40Mb/sec + whatever it takes to start eDMA May 02 03:23:30 s/Mb/Mhz May 02 03:23:39 could you buffer it up for the arm to process later? May 02 03:23:40 bleh... May 02 03:24:02 even if it had to write it back to pru memory? May 02 03:24:37 there is a 4:1 advantage if the pru can do byte assembly quick. May 02 03:27:29 (I/O is 8bit and L3F is 32bits May 02 03:27:32 ) May 02 03:28:50 4:1 for memory, but who cares about that. May 02 03:29:04 (or maybe you do) May 02 03:30:10 the PRU(s) have to shove bits out as fast as they can...to an 8-bit FIFO/Shift Register arraingement and back in from a shift register/fifo receive May 02 03:31:37 for JTAG/DEBUG May 02 03:34:24 Yeah, ok wow, since the gettign started pages served up by the beaglebone black seemed to be either non existant, or broken. Can anyone point me in the general direction of somethign that actually works ? May 02 03:35:11 m_billybob, you said earlier that chrome works...so that sounds like a browsers issue not a bone issue. May 02 03:35:45 I think its a software issue on the bone May 02 03:35:53 already known broken May 02 03:36:25 nothing works date/time gives I/O errors etc May 02 03:36:38 but chrome works? May 02 03:36:44 well take rthat back the sh daemon/sewrver seems to work May 02 03:36:48 well it works and doesnt May 02 03:38:04 Error: EIO, read <-- thats what i get when tryign to visit the "updates" link from the beaglebone getting started page May 02 03:38:21 dmesg? May 02 03:38:29 hello all u bone fans May 02 03:38:49 cant ssh into my BBB anybody having the same issue? May 02 03:39:33 systemd-journald[85]: Failed to write entry, ignoring: Read-only file system <-- thats all im seeing PRU_EVTOUT_2 May 02 03:39:43 wulf i think you may have to wait until the SD cards get here May 02 03:39:49 was jus treading on that May 02 03:40:12 can you get into the .4 bone? May 02 03:40:22 no May 02 03:40:33 so its not a computer thing May 02 03:40:46 well actuall the page loads May 02 03:40:54 let me see if i can ssh in May 02 03:41:00 of course the web page loads May 02 03:41:03 but no ssh May 02 03:41:54 m_billybob: is /tmp writable I wonder? May 02 03:42:12 PRU_EVTOUT_2, not sure not exactly familiar with angstrom May 02 03:42:19 kinda familiar with debian but meh May 02 03:42:42 echo "hello" > /tmp/testing May 02 03:43:49 hmm lol nano doesnt seem to exist or is jus thanging May 02 03:44:00 just echo into a file. May 02 03:44:12 yeah no feedback May 02 03:44:21 e.g. no error May 02 03:44:21 then it is writable. May 02 03:44:36 i don't even know if it puts files into there. May 02 03:45:01 well tabcomplete workign so somethign is there May 02 03:45:54 no more no nano hmm May 02 03:47:37 we may both be stuck until the sd cards get here wulf May 02 03:48:00 Spirilis was saying the kernel the BBB ships with is partly or mostly broken May 02 04:02:25 * mranostay dances in May 02 04:02:36 mranostay, pingu? May 02 04:02:57 ka6sox: what is up? May 02 04:03:16 Sky is up May 02 04:03:31 the 6m band is back up May 02 04:03:42 becuase they just turned of the old analog tv May 02 04:03:53 * mranostay is drinking open bottles the movers won't touch May 02 04:04:09 mrpackethead, got some good TE going? May 02 04:04:51 you know the song. "Video killed the radio-star" May 02 04:04:57 theres another version May 02 04:04:57 thought 10M was the limit? May 02 04:05:18 "internet called the Ham-radio-star" May 02 04:05:26 s/called/killed May 02 04:06:00 mrpackethead: how is in kiwi world? May 02 04:06:19 been having fun, looking after the children of america's fun park rides May 02 04:06:22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XecCNlUWuV4&feature=youtube_gdata_player May 02 04:07:16 prpplague: github is up again May 02 04:07:45 PRU_EVTOUT_2 heh, yanked the USB cable, restarted ( since shutdown now -r would not work ) and seems rto be functioning again. I left it running over night, but dont see how that could have been a problem ? May 02 04:13:24 * m_billybob wonder wtf he could have done to make his doggy misbehave May 02 04:17:51 oh god May 02 04:24:50 mranostay: i am not god, but i do know him, and i can relay a message if you want May 02 04:28:07 m_billybob: not enough attention, obviously. May 02 04:31:07 I cannot write b.LOW to a Pin P8_13. I have tried cloud IDE and inside the browser. It is remaining High. May 02 04:32:05 does cloud 9 do muxing for you? May 02 04:32:50 I don't know what is muxing..sorry.. May 02 04:33:11 each pin can be connected to several signals inside the chip May 02 04:33:41 something has to set it to gpio for what you're doing to work. May 02 04:33:55 wow they went the route of arduino with pin assignments eh ? May 02 04:33:58 i haven't played with cloud9, so i don't know if automatically sets it to gpio, but i doubt it. May 02 04:34:26 var b = require('bonescript'); b.pinMode('P8_13', b.OUTPUT); b.digitalWrite('P8_13', b.LOW); May 02 04:35:27 So after I turned it high it is remaining in the high mode. not returning to low. May 02 04:35:38 kernel 3.8.6 pin muxing is supposed to be busted, and 3.8.8 is supposed to be in "flux" <---- this is what I have read. May 02 04:35:39 http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/01/05/beaglebone-coding-101-blinking-an-led/ May 02 04:35:51 i thought it worked for node.js? May 02 04:36:03 dunno havent gotten thatfar yet May 02 04:36:40 this is what ive read from a friend on anothe forums whose done lots of reading on it thus. perhaps hes wrong ? May 02 04:36:42 BeagleRookie: that link is for you. if you do it like they do, you would use bone.P8_13, not a string of "P8_13". May 02 04:37:52 m_billybob: no, probably right. the guy i was talking to was working on the kernel, so who knows what version he was referring to. May 02 04:38:00 most likely the latest. May 02 04:38:19 BeagleBot: you get that link I sent? May 02 04:38:34 BeagleRookie: you get that link before you closed the page? ;) May 02 04:40:18 yes I got the link. I don't know why my textbox on IRC disappears.. I have to refresh and login again May 02 04:53:59 PRU_EVTOUT_2, idk fro the gist of what I read, it seems perhaps 3.8.6 was meant for the original BB ? dont rightly know, this is my first foray into using Sitara / beagle stuff May 02 04:54:06 * ka6sox patiently waits for Panto to show up (if he does today) May 02 04:54:39 mostly up until now, ive mainly been coding for the msp430 May 02 04:56:36 * m_billybob already misses apt-get update /upgrade May 02 05:07:27 so, memcpy will be smart about unaligned writes, correct? May 02 05:08:36 like, it'll only do funkyness on the first and last bytes? May 02 05:08:46 The built-in intro and Cloud9 IDE is AWESOME! May 02 05:10:06 here's my first evening's impression of the BeagleBone Black: https://plus.google.com/111055028010401074243/posts/LDLHVj12cq3 May 02 05:10:26 I have another G+ post showing off the first impression of the Cloud9 IDE https://plus.google.com/111055028010401074243/posts/XFNnUSJWwoD May 02 05:11:04 anyone know of a good hmm dont know what to cal it. opkg net upgrade tutorial or some such ? May 02 05:11:14 nice shapr! May 02 05:11:30 i learned today that the board is designed to fit in an altoids container! :o May 02 05:11:31 No SD card to use yet, and id like to upgrade to the latest kernel May 02 05:11:42 hello, i need help to make a adxl345 working. It's working but I want to install it as a device (BBB) May 02 05:13:03 Does Cloud9/Bonescript support I2C peripherals? May 02 05:13:32 didn't saw any code that could help May 02 05:14:19 shapr, id venture to say *easier* than using wiring. May 02 05:14:44 no need to setup a dev envoirnment ;) May 02 05:15:21 if i do i2cdump 1 0x53 May 02 05:15:23 it work May 02 05:15:32 but now to code this... no idea May 02 05:15:50 grab the bbb docs and start reading. May 02 05:15:53 timbit123: looks like there's a driver for it. May 02 05:16:12 yes, but how i can use this driver with nodejs? May 02 05:18:11 timbit123: looks like it's all handled in sysfs May 02 05:18:14 so, that would mean file operations May 02 05:18:40 so i need to work with /dev/i2c-1 ? May 02 05:19:11 but I2C needs the IOCTL function and I don't know if it's supported using bonescript. May 02 05:19:40 timbit123: no, that's the sysfs for i2c, if you really did install the driver May 02 05:19:43 this one: http://wiki.analog.com/resources/tools-software/linux-drivers/input-misc/adxl345 May 02 05:20:10 then you can access the position and stuff at something like /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-0053 May 02 05:20:26 like shown in the example at the bottom of that link. May 02 05:21:52 skaflux: do you know or c++? May 02 05:22:13 sorry, c or c++? heck, even python with ctypes could do ioctl. May 02 05:22:35 I do somewhat PRU, but not sure about memory alignment wit hthe sitara May 02 05:22:35 you could write a command, and call the command from node.js May 02 05:23:22 i know that c and c++ is compatible with node May 02 05:23:36 but I'm bad with C May 02 05:23:47 attempting to on the fly learn net install / upgrade May 02 05:24:00 i tried dmesg | grep ADXL from the raspberry exemple but doesn't show up May 02 05:24:04 hope it get it right lol May 02 05:24:13 timbit123: that wasn't for you. you just need to get that driver installed. May 02 05:24:17 PRU, i've done it in C but I was wondering how to use bonescript for i2c. May 02 05:25:49 skaflux: looks like they haven't added i2c yet, but i'm saying you could write a small command that did the ioctl using some command line arguments May 02 05:26:18 there's probably something like that out there already. you could call the command from node.js to do the reads and writes. May 02 05:26:43 wait a sec, i probably have something basic. May 02 05:27:15 wondering what kind of interface is used for bonescript May 02 05:27:27 here, i2c interface for the beaglebone: May 02 05:27:36 now just write something that takes command line arguments May 02 05:28:09 c file: http://pastebin.com/8LeihyUt May 02 05:28:28 PRU, I see. i work with PIC microcontrollers, all in C. The BBB is my first jump to embedded linux so my first goal is to port my projects over. May 02 05:28:57 http://pastebin.com/LyteEXk2 May 02 05:28:59 header file. May 02 05:29:13 thanks May 02 05:29:23 write a c file that takes command line arguments and passes them to those functions May 02 05:29:34 cool May 02 05:29:48 all you need to do is call i2c_initialize() before trying to call hte other functions May 02 05:30:14 and i2c_cleanup() to close all the files and stuff. May 02 05:30:24 you can delete i2c_wtf...that's a debug thing i was working on. May 02 05:30:29 and this is tested, i was using it a few days ago. May 02 05:30:45 eeek threads May 02 05:31:05 threads? not in this. May 02 05:31:13 err...the i2c. May 02 05:31:22 pthread_mutex_t lock; May 02 05:31:47 do keep in mind im used to a device that has no OS lol May 02 05:31:58 that can be removed. May 02 05:32:29 goign to bookmark that though, looks interresting if for nothign else and intro into i2c on the bbb May 02 05:33:25 the thread lock is in there cause i'll be using it with a multithreaded program. May 02 05:33:30 come to think of it ive not used i2c on anythign yet, been avoidning it :/ May 02 05:33:56 it's just some voltages wiggling. May 02 05:34:12 to learn i2c, you should bitbang it, see how easy it is. May 02 05:34:24 hopefull hardware mode ? not fond of bit banging May 02 05:34:53 i'm just saying, look at the actual signal. it's not complicated. May 02 05:35:22 like with the msp430 you have software/hardware options for periphs, on the msp430 HW mode is usually the best route. easier, faster etc May 02 05:36:05 skaflux: you can delete the things that refere to the i2cChain->lock. May 02 05:36:07 but i2c in HW mode on the msp430 loks to be a pita either way, ive onlydone SPI UART and GPIO, some timer stuff May 02 05:37:08 @PRU_EVTOUT_2 ok May 02 05:40:22 so what's the preferred IDE out there? I've seen tutorial for remote debugging on Eclipse and Netbeans. May 02 05:40:39 which language ? May 02 05:40:54 C/C++ May 02 05:40:56 therescode::blocks too May 02 05:41:03 code::blocks* May 02 05:41:33 not sure of the suppport for ARMv7 gcc support though May 02 05:42:50 "support" being loaded too, atleast with msp430, and other similar devices, you have to manually set everythign up yourself. but for code completion, etc, ive heard eclipse is hard to beat May 02 05:44:38 skaflux: i just use my desktop for editing and save it on a shared drive, then compile from the beaglebone :) May 02 05:45:10 shared drive ? May 02 05:45:14 network drive. May 02 05:45:28 thats a pretty good idea May 02 05:45:46 that way, i'm not depending on one particular beaglebone (i have several i go between) May 02 05:46:19 you can also set up a windows share, so you can access the beaglebone files from explorer. May 02 05:46:27 great looks like my netinstall may hang, god i hope not still have to opkg force install May 02 05:46:30 err, from windows explorer. May 02 05:47:04 yeah i hear ya, too bad its such a pita to setup VS with gcc May 02 05:47:11 m_billybob: not sure if it has changed in the black, but you should use a different temp dir for opkg. May 02 05:47:18 im kind of partial to VS but yeah . . . May 02 05:47:45 cause /tmp is in memory, and fills pretty quick. May 02 05:47:49 PRU_EVTOUT_2, heh now you tell me May 02 05:48:22 hosed my last upgrade because of that. May 02 05:48:25 grrr May 02 05:48:26 no more boot :( May 02 05:48:28 Configuring gnome-common-schemas. May 02 05:48:34 hung or seemed to be hanging there May 02 05:48:47 and i just ^c'd >:( May 02 05:48:55 lol, could have run top May 02 05:48:58 maybe it was doing something amazing. May 02 05:49:15 any chance this will complete if i rerun ? May 02 05:49:28 should really do a different temp dir May 02 05:49:37 i think it's -t May 02 05:49:49 ok forgive the newb question but i have no idea how to do that May 02 05:50:11 after opkg upgrade ? May 02 05:50:15 opkg upgrade -t ~/mytempdir May 02 05:50:23 no, command line argument for opkg May 02 05:50:27 the dir has to exist though May 02 05:50:33 well thats what i mean May 02 05:52:33 hmm gettign 404's now May 02 05:53:03 control+c during opkg kernel upgrade is not a good idea. May 02 05:54:14 yeah wasnt my intention May 02 05:54:19 b00m May 02 05:56:33 gconftool-2 seems to be using aroudn 21% CPU May 02 05:57:06 you try opkg update again+ May 02 05:57:17 yeah why not im fooked either way May 02 05:57:24 well at worst lol May 02 05:57:51 do temp dir though, just in case they didn't fix opkg yet. May 02 05:58:04 already done May 02 05:58:51 still stuck on configurering gnome-common-schemas May 02 06:01:05 could be real May 02 06:01:17 ill let it sit a while May 02 06:01:32 i actually don't know how long an update takes, i always do it before leaving/going to bed. May 02 06:01:58 lol well when sd card gets hereif i cant fix it now ill fix it later May 02 06:02:59 the downloads etc probably tok around 45 minutes May 02 06:04:22 but anyhow i have no idea what gconftool-2 is nor why else it would be bouncing between 14%-30% CPU May 02 06:04:47 probably a tool for configuring something that starts with a g. May 02 06:04:50 :P May 02 06:05:16 lol i guessed at thatalready, but seems its the gnome config tool May 02 06:06:20 extremely tempted for forgo angstrom and just go debian May 02 06:06:47 is there an active beaglebone debian branch? May 02 06:07:35 it was listed on the getting started pages, but got to also remember open embedded was originally a debian tool May 02 06:08:33 i know the original bone could take ubuntu though May 02 06:08:53 OE started as a debian tool? May 02 06:08:54 https://www.youtube.com/user/DerekMolloyDCU May 02 06:09:02 that guy has some decent beaglebone vids May 02 06:09:53 ka6sox, thats what im remembering from 3-4 years ago, maybe im remembering wrong ? May 02 06:10:31 not that I remember from the 7yrs I've been involved... May 02 06:12:55 ah thumbs up its moved on May 02 06:13:10 ka6sox, well maybe thats just howi always viewed it i dotn know May 02 06:14:30 but koen or crofton or others might have deeper history than mine. May 02 06:15:06 I've always built with it on Debian or .deb platforms. May 02 06:20:43 dont see why a minimal debian install wouldnt install . . .hmm some error messages May 02 06:21:37 WARNING: could not open /lib/modules/3.8.8/modules.builtin: No such file or directory <---- was expecting that May 02 06:23:04 opkg --force-overwrite install kernel-image-3.8.8 mwahahaha May 02 06:23:32 wonder if teh bonegets the last laugh we'll see May 02 06:26:40 root@beaglebone:~# uname -r May 02 06:26:40 3.8.8 May 02 06:27:57 everything seems to be in orderawesome May 02 06:28:12 now, wonder how much crap ive gotnow May 02 06:35:51 PRU, thanks much for the help :) May 02 06:38:09 yo momma. May 02 07:53:28 hi ka6sox May 02 08:13:14 jackmitchell: can you give 3.8.11 a try with gcc 4.8? May 02 08:14:28 koen: sure May 02 08:22:40 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 3 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/q1DX_Q May 02 08:22:40 kernel/3.8 4eef624 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add WIP camera cape driver... May 02 08:22:40 kernel/3.8 5c66219 Koen Kooi: 3.8: make more things a builtin for beaglebone... May 02 08:22:40 kernel/3.8 ca3adc6 Koen Kooi: 3.8: update to 3.8.11... May 02 08:42:49 koen: Linux beaglebone 3.8.11-00574-g259f67b-dirty #34 SMP Thu May 2 09:36:07 BST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux May 02 08:42:52 \o/ May 02 08:43:59 jackmitchell: I think it's this one: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/commit/?id=84237e8d1b43b896a86e14928993901993ede254 May 02 08:44:28 jackmitchell: maybe perf will work as well now May 02 08:46:57 koen: unfortunately not, still hard crashes the board May 02 08:47:45 ah well May 02 08:47:49 at least it boots now :) May 02 08:47:58 one step at a time ;) May 02 09:35:03 i ve a odd busybox serial console issue .. the line breaking doesnt work, the Pos1 key etc May 02 09:35:15 ⇈⇊←→←→AB[start] May 02 09:36:02 tsquar3d, is that anything which should tell me something ? May 02 09:36:37 Supercharged weapons? May 02 09:37:14 That or 99 lives. May 02 09:37:41 * rob_w scratches his head bloddy May 02 09:37:47 lol May 02 09:37:53 trolololo May 02 09:37:57 I have no idea. May 02 09:38:16 * XorA wonders what stupid option he has enabled to get +'s and -'s in front of all text :-( May 02 09:38:18 at least that is some facts May 02 09:38:36 The more you know, right? May 02 09:40:23 Woops... it is ba not ab. May 02 09:40:29 Busybox... eh? May 02 09:42:51 how can I prevent tftpd (in.tftpd) to background? I tried -l -L options, adding -v -v -v (verbosity) does not say anything May 02 09:44:31 rob_w, run it like this stty sane May 02 09:45:19 no change May 02 09:45:42 some newer busybox version introduced this May 02 09:46:04 Try stty raw May 02 09:46:12 my inittab call looks like this S:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 ttyO2 vt102 May 02 09:46:34 raw makes it worse May 02 09:46:44 Ah... dont do that. May 02 09:47:09 so what am i supposed to ? May 02 09:47:12 run it on /dev/ttyS0 May 02 09:47:28 i got no ttyS0 May 02 09:47:38 of course May 02 09:47:57 but why would a path change the behaviour ? May 02 09:47:58 <_av500_> tsquar3d: you are a few years late for ttyS0 May 02 09:48:05 :-= May 02 09:48:17 <_av500_> at least on TI silicon May 02 09:48:17 :-p May 02 09:48:46 _av500_, well surely /dev/console wont work, right? May 02 09:48:55 <_av500_> now that omap is going jacinto, it should be ttyJx soon May 02 09:49:11 <_av500_> rob_w: vt102? May 02 09:49:12 <_av500_> what for? May 02 09:49:35 that was just a test .. May 02 09:49:44 * tsquar3d is usually a few years late. May 02 09:49:56 OMAP is dead long live Jacinto? May 02 09:49:57 as that is what my minicom is setup by default May 02 09:50:11 * tsquar3d walks into a party and goes "wazzzzzup?!" in 2011. May 02 09:50:37 <_av500_> rob_w: I have vt100 in mine May 02 09:50:41 <_av500_> buildroot on bone May 02 09:50:47 and no issue ? May 02 09:50:51 <_av500_> nope May 02 09:51:00 some order inside inittab ? May 02 09:51:03 * tsquar3d goes to a gaming forum and declares "Hey guys! The cake is a lie! lolz!" in 2013. May 02 09:51:04 like mine ? May 02 09:51:37 <_av500_> busybox 1.21.0 May 02 09:51:48 <_av500_> ttyO0::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyO0 115200 vt100 # GENERIC_SERIAL May 02 09:51:55 <_av500_> as buildroot put it May 02 09:52:28 * rob_w testing May 02 09:53:10 is there also a rob_w/stable? May 02 09:53:13 same problem May 02 09:53:29 <_av500_> KotH/next May 02 09:53:30 KotH, ? May 02 09:54:04 hmm BusyBox v1.19.4 .. May 02 09:54:13 * rob_w wonders if that upgrade might help May 02 09:55:04 <_av500_> rob_w: it works even with 1.7.2 May 02 09:55:16 _av500_: there can only be one! May 02 09:55:22 <_av500_> I doubt this is a busybox issue May 02 09:55:39 it did work with 1.17.4 for me May 02 09:55:57 it is .. i can replace it to 1.17.4 and let the rest be the same and its back working May 02 09:56:18 or 1.13 i think May 02 09:56:31 will test some more versions May 02 10:20:20 <_av500_> why? May 02 10:20:22 <_av500_> oos May 02 10:20:24 <_av500_> oops May 02 10:37:26 Beagle Black is already avaible to purcharse? May 02 10:37:38 yes May 02 10:37:59 Black is so yesterday May 02 10:38:14 Can't i have a green one May 02 10:38:16 mrpackethead: got your pink yet? May 02 10:38:34 it is capable to run fierfox OS? May 02 10:38:40 beagle aqua-marine May 02 10:38:52 <_av500_> beagle-user: yes and no May 02 10:38:52 is firefox os capable of running? May 02 10:38:59 beagle-user: if there is an android build, then in theory you can make an adaptation. May 02 10:39:12 <_av500_> at mwe are missing sgx drivers May 02 10:39:17 <_av500_> atm we* May 02 10:39:24 beagle-user: how much do you want to pay for a BBB May 02 10:39:29 we'll run an auction May 02 10:39:32 no webgl then :) May 02 10:39:40 <_av500_> no UI accell either May 02 10:39:55 but does fun things like protocol conversion May 02 10:39:58 and data collection May 02 10:40:06 and real world interfacing May 02 10:41:54 mrpackethead: it's actually more expensive that R-Pi which i've got. I'm scary about taxes and percel cost. If I could buy it somwhere nearby my living place May 02 10:42:00 ... working on the data collection thing. ;-) May 02 10:42:13 <_av500_> beagle-user: your place being where? May 02 10:42:22 <_av500_> also, price is not the only thing in life May 02 10:42:24 No, it actually is not more expensive than the RPi as it has internal mem... May 02 10:42:36 $10 is well worth the upgrade May 02 10:42:42 Germany/Poland May 02 10:42:55 ... and you would spend $10+ on an sd for the Pi anyways. May 02 10:42:59 and a powersupply that doe'snt fall over when you look at it May 02 10:43:00 <_av500_> well, people have bought it in Germany May 02 10:45:43 Ordered mine from fresnel a couple of days ago.. they estimate I should get it by next saturday. (UK, by the way) May 02 10:46:04 beagle black have power supply included? May 02 10:46:13 <_av500_> no May 02 10:46:24 I just need to confirm that the bbb has'nt fundementally changed any of its hardware i/o May 02 10:46:30 heres hpping May 02 10:46:40 so what dimmensinos jack should have? May 02 10:47:13 <_av500_> why not read the docs? May 02 10:47:28 yes, thats a good idea, the docs May 02 10:47:55 come on, who reads docs anymore? only neckbeards do that May 02 10:48:15 panto, people who ask too many questions. May 02 10:48:30 esp when thers trolls that will tell you everything you want to know, so they look smart to everyone else May 02 10:48:43 lol mrpackethead +1 May 02 10:48:47 I found tutorial how to install Firefox OS, however it is Panda board, nor beagle black ;/ https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox_OS/Pandaboard May 02 10:48:57 mrpackethead, troll might lie for amusement value though ;) May 02 10:49:26 no.. a lying troll.. never May 02 10:49:33 The BBB actually has a built-in blue-tooth controller... it is just not well documented. May 02 10:49:55 blue-tooth on black May 02 10:49:55 See what I did there? May 02 10:50:04 black-tooth on beaglboard-blue May 02 10:50:06 Not bluetooth, mind you... May 02 10:50:08 heh, the UART postings on the beagle mailing lists make me want to cry in frustration May 02 10:50:11 But blue-tooth. May 02 10:50:12 <_av500_> beagle-user: panda is different May 02 10:50:17 <_av500_> for panda there is android May 02 10:50:21 <_av500_> hence ffos May 02 10:50:35 Dawww.... an android panda... that would be so damned cute. May 02 10:50:37 ok May 02 10:50:50 theres nothing nice about android May 02 10:50:53 <_troll_> panto: you calling me a liar? May 02 10:51:07 mrpackethead: it works... May 02 10:51:19 no, _troll_ you are a troll May 02 10:51:20 http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_149563_1.jpg May 02 10:51:30 ^^pandroid May 02 10:51:48 _troll_ _troll_ is a _troll_ May 02 10:51:59 woot May 02 10:52:00 hmm May 02 10:52:03 time to check up on my 'bone May 02 10:52:11 make sure it wasn't partying itself to death all night May 02 10:52:26 * mrpackethead is a hobbit May 02 10:52:52 but BBB is capable to run Armstrong linux:) is any chance to build my own project such as OpenPandora.org did? May 02 10:53:05 yes May 02 10:53:28 and it's GNU/Armstrong/Angstrom/Linux for you May 02 10:53:32 beagle-user, the beauty of open source is that there is always a chance to build your own project. May 02 10:53:35 <_av500_> beagle-user: sure May 02 10:53:35 hot dayum May 02 10:53:36 real 285m9.719s May 02 10:53:36 user 219m4.750s May 02 10:53:36 sys 37m15.641s May 02 10:53:44 gaah, pastbine May 02 10:53:50 ^ time to build a GCC cross-compiler on the bone for the Renesas RX (rx-elf target) microcontroller May 02 10:54:03 <_av500_> people have too much time May 02 10:54:11 Spirilis, now you know why people cross-compile May 02 10:54:13 bbb, debian May 02 10:54:14 what an utterly mad thing to do May 02 10:54:21 yup May 02 10:54:27 hi May 02 10:54:29 but that's unethical computing May 02 10:54:45 it's taken a lot less than that to build the rx-elf target on my Mac, for what it's worth ;) May 02 10:54:45 certainly if you're anyway cross-compiling, you'd want to do it on the fastest machine you have May 02 10:54:49 my compiles are organic, fair-trade only May 02 10:55:17 beagle-user, all you need --> http://bit.ly/12Gc8Xx May 02 10:55:17 but your clothes where made in a bandgaleshy factory ? May 02 10:55:26 although I've never tried using a cross-compiler to build a cross-compiling build, that might get interesting May 02 10:55:44 i.e. macosx arm x-compiler building the rx-elf target May 02 10:55:47 that's a canadian cross May 02 10:55:52 haha May 02 10:55:58 that's the official term May 02 10:56:02 I like it May 02 10:56:06 for cross-compiling a cross-compiler May 02 10:56:29 compilers, america's hat May 02 10:56:53 Yo! I heard you like cross-compiling so I put a cross-compiled your cross-compiler so you can cross-compile with a cross-compiled cross-compiler. May 02 10:57:03 werd May 02 10:57:31 one day, we'll have a cross-compiling system set up as a virtual appliance May 02 10:57:35 so you can just download it May 02 10:57:55 A cross-compiler running in an emulator. May 02 10:57:59 <_av500_> soon it will all be ARM May 02 10:58:03 <_av500_> no need to cross compile May 02 10:58:29 seems you might be right May 02 10:58:34 MicroConTROLOLER: don't give them ideas May 02 10:58:37 So you can cross-compile on your emulated system for your native system May 02 10:59:15 http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/ May 02 10:59:19 Be sure to static-link everything. May 02 10:59:32 MicroConTROLOLER: link you sent is broken May 02 10:59:50 beagle-user, It is not useful, anyhow... May 02 10:59:57 trolololo May 02 11:02:26 <_av500_> cheap laser, HP or Brother? May 02 11:02:35 Metal style - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CFnM4SYQC8 May 02 11:02:50 laser printer or laser laser av500? May 02 11:03:52 Cuz I dont think HP or Brother sells lasers. May 02 11:04:10 I would go with HP just because the parts are easy to get. May 02 11:04:24 how much RAM BBB is capable to support. I ask such question because I consider to extent it. I used service in order to extended RAM in my tab. Operation was successfull May 02 11:04:42 beagle-user, the ram is not extendable May 02 11:05:04 <_av500_> ram doubler? May 02 11:05:07 _av500_: I've had no issues with my Brother 2250DN May 02 11:05:21 <_av500_> jackmitchell: thats the one May 02 11:05:26 _av500_, +1 May 02 11:05:43 I just use a generic print driver with it, not the brother one though May 02 11:05:47 <_av500_> heck, its only €95 May 02 11:06:22 duplex + small + cheap knock-off refills; I couldn't find better May 02 11:06:37 <_av500_> even the brother toner is cheap, compared to HP May 02 11:06:49 panto: I know, however I know someone who upgraded my tab. He have hardware and experience to do such things May 02 11:06:58 <_av500_> your what? May 02 11:07:07 galaxy tab? May 02 11:07:12 browser tab? May 02 11:07:16 I would advise avoiding cannon like the plague, though. The drivers are absolute crap. May 02 11:07:20 <_av500_> tab the soft drink May 02 11:07:37 jackmitchell, av500 trololololo May 02 11:08:19 MicroConTROLOLER: we just encourage people to be clear, that way questions get answered and wires do not get corssed May 02 11:09:14 Just dont make newcomers sad. May 02 11:10:42 Ugh... gotta meet a student in 20 minutes. May 02 11:10:53 why is not given location nearby shop names at http://beagleboard.org/? May 02 11:11:09 later, dudes. May 02 11:11:49 <_av500_> beagle-user: ? May 02 11:12:48 _av500_: http://pandaboard.org/content/buy May 02 11:12:55 there is written May 02 11:12:58 europa May 02 11:13:04 asia May 02 11:13:07 and so on May 02 11:13:11 <_av500_> and? May 02 11:13:27 at beagleboard.org is not... May 02 11:13:39 does anyone ship to antarctica? May 02 11:13:50 and what about the space station? May 02 11:13:58 i must spend lots of time in order search location best around me May 02 11:14:24 <_av500_> mein Mitleid hält sich in Grenzen May 02 11:15:53 mru: shipping to the ISS would be a nice stunt May 02 11:16:12 time to call up the russians? May 02 11:16:27 1 BlackBone: $45 May 02 11:16:36 Shipping: $10000000 May 02 11:16:57 the look on jason's face: priceless... May 02 11:25:13 a space grade bone would be really nice May 02 11:25:29 KotH, yes May 02 11:25:38 if you get around that pesky rad problem May 02 11:35:28 <_av500_> wrap it in layers of rpis May 02 11:35:31 <_av500_> they are cheap May 02 11:36:15 but then you'd have a bunch of radioactive rpis May 02 11:36:23 you wouldn't want one of them to get superpowers May 02 11:37:08 <_av500_> they cant May 02 11:37:10 <_av500_> no neon May 02 11:38:05 panto: rad, thermal and outgasing proplems May 02 11:38:44 i'm having a problem with lcd7 cape after resuming the board May 02 11:38:54 i have to remux the backlight, has anyone seen this? May 02 11:39:34 after remuxing the gpmc_a2 pin, the lcd works again. this is quite odd, isn't it? May 02 11:40:33 panto, your code in space May 02 11:40:45 * _av500_ codes in tabs May 02 11:41:03 it's code as hell there May 02 11:41:10 <_av500_> lol May 02 11:41:26 I blame you for that one May 02 11:42:08 http://www.emacswiki.org/pics/static/TabsSpacesBoth.png May 02 11:42:59 heh May 02 11:45:27 KotH, thermal ok, outgassing? May 02 11:45:55 the vacuum of space pulls the magic smoke out of circuits unless they are carefully sealed May 02 11:46:31 I know but for simple silicon based socs is that a problem? May 02 11:48:08 silicon based lifeforms have it easy compared to ugly sacks of water May 02 11:48:18 [reference test] May 02 11:48:48 we're talking about electronics here, not other components May 02 11:49:09 not that evil, planet-destroying crystal in star trek? May 02 11:50:01 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/RUeMxQ May 02 11:50:01 kernel/3.8 fd1dd2c Koen Kooi: 3.8: add 2 hacks for the camera cape... May 02 11:52:35 mru, yeah, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paH97dYR6Lg May 02 11:52:39 hi guys! hope everyone is having a good day :) May 02 11:53:30 mdp: what's with the horizontal stretching of that video? May 02 11:53:37 I am trying to compile something (yet again) which uses edma but am being unable to do so since mach/edma.h does not seem to exist... I am kind of stuck since I can't find any similar file anywhere in the kernel sources that I am working with May 02 11:53:58 mru, some weird 4:3 conversion, I suppose May 02 11:54:06 yes, clearly May 02 11:54:14 star trek was done in 4:3 May 02 11:54:24 because that's what TVs looked like back then May 02 11:54:30 "back in the day" May 02 11:55:11 have you seen the HD remaster of the ToS? May 02 11:55:17 no May 02 11:55:32 any good? May 02 11:55:32 they re-rendered some of the pure cgi sequences May 02 11:55:42 interesting May 02 11:55:50 so those are much cleaner than the live-action parts May 02 11:55:54 a bit weird May 02 11:56:11 do they fix shatner's dialog too? May 02 11:56:15 I hope not May 02 11:56:15 sadly no May 02 11:56:17 ;) May 02 11:57:02 by "dialog", do you mean "shake subject violently and yell in his face"? May 02 11:57:51 mru, right, equally effective when trying to lay a green alien woman, or defend the ship from enemies, or knock the sense into some stupid starfleet researcher on the planet below May 02 11:58:01 shaken star trek syndrome May 02 11:58:01 av500, what you think where my Pos1 , line break problem comes from ? May 02 11:58:28 it seems ur right in that it is not busybox .. i cant get it back working even on busybox 1.13 May 02 11:58:44 i use the same tinylogin/getty and kernel as before .. May 02 12:19:12 <_av500_> rob_w: sorry, no idea May 02 12:20:48 panto: the problem is that the gas consists of nasty hydrocarbon complexes that will condensate on the surrounding stuff May 02 12:22:01 panto: they can do nothing, corrode your solder joints, coat your mechanics and render the lubricant worthless, coat optical components and make them blind....etc pp May 02 12:23:56 hmm no i think its the keyboard layout May 02 12:24:02 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/hHJIrA May 02 12:24:02 kernel/3.8 4e80cad Koen Kooi: 3.8: add missing camera patch, fix usage of reset cape... May 02 12:24:13 there are even some keys which dont work when i login via ssh May 02 12:24:52 So-- just an FYI for students out there.... your teachers love it when you come to their office asking for help and you haven't actually done the assignment... that is all. May 02 12:25:08 <_av500_> doing it is overrated May 02 12:26:00 the trick is to talk to the teacher _pretending_ you've done it May 02 12:26:13 if you're lucky, he'll start commenting on the solution May 02 12:26:15 Well, I will tell you.. my students don't even pretend. May 02 12:26:16 lol May 02 12:26:27 it worked for me at least once May 02 12:26:45 me: So.. did you do the assigment where we deal with this concept. student: nope. May 02 12:28:05 tsquar3d: dont tell me you expected anything else May 02 12:28:16 KotH: Sadly, no. May 02 12:28:20 I did not. May 02 12:28:22 :-( May 02 12:28:34 They're good kids.... but sometimes... May 02 12:28:51 beer > assignments May 02 12:29:06 <_av500_> poor beer on the assignments? May 02 12:29:19 have beer then do assignments May 02 12:29:22 If you were badd-ass enough, you should be able to ged wasted and get your assignments done. May 02 12:29:46 get* May 02 12:30:11 I think you're confusing bad-ass with motivated May 02 12:30:48 ballmer peak? May 02 12:31:46 ballmer peak all the way. May 02 12:32:12 let's race to the top May 02 12:33:06 No -- it is not bad-ass to fail your classes. Anyone can get wasted and fail -- it takes a true bad ass to get wasted and blow all the sober peeps out of the water. May 02 12:33:42 I had a classmate like that once. Showed up to every exam drunk. Smelled awful -- it made me nauseous. Always got an "A". May 02 12:35:09 i don't think that in 15 or so years of education i've ever studied for any kind of test May 02 12:35:52 jacekowski: Well, and then you have people like me who would fail the tests... but wind up helping everyone else out with their homework and projects. May 02 12:35:57 in my 22 years.. i studied for quite a lot of tests May 02 12:35:58 I often made a point _not_ to touch the textbooks the night before an exam May 02 12:36:03 espacially in the later years May 02 12:36:26 I'd obviously read them earlier May 02 12:36:45 mru: there is no point in reading a textbook the night before... if you dont know the stuff you wont learn it in a night either May 02 12:36:52 exactly May 02 12:36:59 much better to arrive at the exam well-rested May 02 12:37:00 mru: looking at exercises and old tests is a completely different matter though May 02 12:37:04 i've just realised that studying textbooks doesn't help at all May 02 12:37:17 KotH: I didn't do that either the night before May 02 12:37:18 jacekowski: then you had the wrong textbooks May 02 12:37:26 mru: neither me May 02 12:37:27 i could get all A's in maths and physics and pretty much all science subjects May 02 12:37:37 * tsquar3d spends 5 hours a week tutoring the A student on our mathematical programming course -- can't sleep the night before because of extreme anxiety -- gets to the test -- becomes mentally retarded and fails. May 02 12:37:39 mru: i usually did that on my way to the test :) May 02 12:37:57 but all the art subjects, whatever i did it was always just above fail May 02 12:38:18 anything you try to learn in the last 12h before an exam isn't likely to stick anyway May 02 12:38:37 well, you don't want it to stick for very long May 02 12:38:43 just enough to get through the exam May 02 12:39:08 Is this going to turn into a "I failed all my classes because I was too advanced and they boerd me" conversation? May 02 12:39:18 most of the exams were sane and let you bring some material too May 02 12:39:33 so no need to memorise complex equations May 02 12:39:44 as long as you knew roughly where to find them May 02 12:39:49 my maths teacher allowed us to bring anything in, as long as it was your notes May 02 12:39:57 tsquar3d: nah.. those people here i know, did not fail their exams May 02 12:40:17 so no textbooks or anything, but if you were to hand copy it, you were allowed to have it May 02 12:40:31 I only failed statistics May 02 12:40:39 <_av500_> how often? May 02 12:40:46 but since it was one sample only, the result is not statistically significant May 02 12:40:57 i don't like statistics May 02 12:41:16 the way they presented it was bizarre May 02 12:41:23 I never actually failed a class in Uni -- got a D once, but I did write "42" for the answer to ever question on the final. May 02 12:41:25 made no sense May 02 12:41:48 mru: statistics is quite bizarre, imho May 02 12:42:06 the class covered several topics May 02 12:42:45 only the bit about stochastic processes had any relevance for me May 02 12:42:57 and that fell into place later when I took signal theory May 02 12:43:08 hmm... May 02 12:43:16 * KotH never got the hang of signal theory May 02 12:43:34 mostly because it made no sense the way it got presented May 02 12:43:52 later, when i took an advanced information theory class, it made sense, but the math was way over my head ^^' May 02 12:44:11 Anyhow... gotta go corrupt the youth. May 02 12:44:14 later. May 02 12:44:19 have fun May 02 12:44:43 ah... i like managment... May 02 12:44:46 KotH: Oh... I will... I will... May 02 12:45:31 someone who has no clue about linux whatsoever has to do a project plan and cost calculation for an embedded linux project... and only asks me cursory question like whether it's possible to boot into the app whithout revealing that its a linux underneath May 02 12:46:08 that's a good management trick May 02 12:46:19 suppose you want the answer to be 'yes' May 02 12:46:45 then you cherry-pick a narrow question for which it most probably is and ask this of your resident expert May 02 12:46:57 later, when it all blows up, you can blame the engineer May 02 12:48:18 they usually dont blame the engineer unless it was really his fault May 02 12:48:33 everytime I see KotH on #beagle I get a craving for chocolate May 02 12:48:37 hehe May 02 12:48:48 koen: if i can get to ELCE, i'll bring you some :) May 02 12:48:54 :) May 02 12:49:06 KotH: they'll say the engineer said 'yes' May 02 12:52:54 mru: well.. if that happens here, then i'm gone May 02 12:59:09 mru, and if your resident expert asks further clarifying questions you tell them that's not important and attempt to mushroom them May 02 12:59:22 "focus on my question, please!" May 02 13:02:51 ll May 02 13:08:45 is any guide or wiki for BBB? May 02 13:10:02 what are you looking for? May 02 13:14:08 so when installing a cross-compiler, say for the mac, would it be "arm-elf-gcc" or "arm-none-eabi-gcc"? the latter is just for microcontrollers right? May 02 13:14:32 Spirilis, there should be a "linux" in your triplet I'd think May 02 13:14:40 like arm-linux-gnueabi May 02 13:14:46 ahh May 02 13:14:49 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc May 02 13:15:01 Spirilis, yes May 02 13:15:05 got it :) May 02 13:15:10 Spirilis, don't try to compile a kernel on the mac though May 02 13:15:14 panto, shhh! May 02 13:15:19 hehe :) May 02 13:15:44 Spirilis, panto just thinks your mac will spontaneously burst into flames when it compiles linux kernel, licensing issues and whatnot :) May 02 13:15:58 it probably will May 02 13:16:06 heh macports variant of that is gcc 3.x May 02 13:16:07 nasty May 02 13:16:09 jump! jump! jump! May 02 13:16:14 * bradfa jumps! May 02 13:16:17 bradfa, no, there's a technical reason why :) May 02 13:16:43 * bradfa hasn't used macs in about a decade May 02 13:17:29 * bradfa liked macs until he found yellowdog and noticed it ran nicely on his G4 May 02 13:18:51 panto - you tried to help me out yesterday with device tree support for direct (no cape) UARTS access from C (Using RCN Ubuntu image). Sorry - Wrote it down but my notes. Can you point me in right direction again ? May 02 13:20:00 ClemsonTim80_, http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/ May 02 13:20:38 panto - thanks May 02 13:20:50 suppose it'd be feasible to make an EPP parallel port cape for BBB? May 02 13:21:01 mdp: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ May 02 13:21:06 mdp, mdp, mdp! May 02 13:21:11 * mdp bounces May 02 13:21:12 let's all chant May 02 13:21:33 and it all started with the legendary ISA cape ;) May 02 13:21:38 ssi, yes May 02 13:22:27 ssi, one approach is to implement it with the PRU May 02 13:22:32 there was an ISA cape? May 02 13:22:40 makes sense May 02 13:22:49 Spirilis, so the legend says May 02 13:23:17 it existed in visionary discussions right here on this channel May 02 13:23:24 haha May 02 13:23:30 no sightings have been properly documented May 02 13:23:58 mdp, s/visionary/delusional/g May 02 13:24:04 whoa May 02 13:24:11 :P May 02 13:24:26 * panto trolls a bit May 02 13:24:29 * panto goes back to work May 02 13:26:20 dm8tbr: I'm actualy courious in terms of hardware specs. How much BBB drains power at max load, how does looks like usb power managment (i.e. may I connect joypad without issues) May 02 13:26:58 joypad → GPIO or USB, your choice May 02 13:27:01 Hallo all. Just got a BeagleBone Black, and I'm trying to set up the micro SD as a data drive. Seems possible according to the SRM. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get both eMMC and microSD working at the same time. Each works individually. With microSD plugged in uboot tries to boot from it no matter what the state of the USER button, claims there is no NAND device. Anybody got this to work? May 02 13:27:28 is there no BBB SRM yet? May 02 13:27:48 There is a BBB SRM May 02 13:28:51 http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack#Hardware_Files May 02 13:31:59 mdp: do you own a "managments guide to engineers" ? May 02 13:32:50 how well is the LVDS cape supported? May 02 13:33:07 no, I've seen the engineering manager's survival guide though ;) May 02 13:33:21 mdp: can i have a copy? :) May 02 13:33:55 the title lies...there's no surviving that role...save your b/w ;) May 02 13:38:15 mdp: ie, once you become a manager, you'll die? May 02 13:38:46 not, but you'll turn into a butterfly and fly away May 02 13:41:15 wtf is with all that bitcoin hype? May 02 13:41:22 hype May 02 13:41:30 have people turned totally crazy? May 02 13:41:33 beaglebone as a bitcoin mining rig! May 02 13:41:33 no May 02 13:41:37 they were already crazy May 02 13:41:47 they merely found a new craze May 02 13:42:14 it baffles me that people who usually do bitcoin mining do it on £250 GPUs May 02 13:42:50 and then people come along thinking a £30 ARM cpu could do a good job of it... May 02 13:43:22 jackmitchell: if you use enough of them, why not? May 02 13:43:56 KotH: if you planned on using enough of them just get a damn GPU May 02 13:44:16 jackmitchell: or FPGAs May 02 13:44:18 psst... dont spoil their fun May 02 13:44:51 they can manage to find and post on a mailing list, but can't grasp the simple concept of an low end ARM vs a high end GPU May 02 13:45:33 understanding of technical details is difficult, even for people trained in the art May 02 13:46:14 like our "chief R&D", who is (still) called the resident unix expert, promots the use of the rpi, because it's good May 02 13:46:18 koen: indeed, where is the parallalelalalelala link when you need it ;) May 02 13:47:20 jackmitchell, I think it has more cores than you have "la" there... May 02 13:47:38 parallalele^64 May 02 13:47:46 that's more like it :) May 02 13:49:09 the not being able to us UARTs except through javascript comments killed what little remaining faith I had in humanity May 02 13:49:23 jackmitchell: huh? May 02 13:49:24 huh...looks like the uboot bootcmd on BBB doesn't match the boot order in the SRM May 02 13:49:28 jackmitchell: what was that? May 02 13:49:42 KotH: heh somewhere on the mailing list in the last few days May 02 13:49:59 jackmitchell: rpi? May 02 13:50:08 cant ssh into my BBB anybody having the same issue? May 02 13:50:23 jackmitchell: and what does have js comments to do with an uart? May 02 13:50:33 jackmitchell: it sounds like someone smoked something really bad May 02 13:50:58 "So much for downward compatibility from BB classic to black -- TI blew it. While Bonescript is nice its not for everyone -- they need a way to write to May 02 13:50:58 the hardware that is universal not tied to an interpretted language like JS. Linux is all about choices in languages and open source. Now I feel boxed in!" May 02 13:51:05 wulfman: "does not work" is not a problem description May 02 13:51:13 wulfman: see the smartquestion faq May 02 13:51:35 jackmitchell: WTF???? May 02 13:51:56 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/pf1MNKptqS0 May 02 13:52:32 <_av500_> ha, the BBBBB May 02 13:52:35 <_av500_> the BBB boot button May 02 13:52:40 i have no idea how to ask that question any other way May 02 13:52:41 <_av500_> B5 in short May 02 13:52:41 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/4e2T6XH-fNM May 02 13:52:56 would you like the error ? May 02 13:53:08 <_av500_> wulfman: assume we are not seeing your screen May 02 13:53:13 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host May 02 13:53:19 and its NOT my pc May 02 13:53:36 I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at either of those threads, I couldn't even bring myself to try and write a sensible response May 02 13:53:39 seems the bone has an issue i have 2 one works one does not May 02 13:54:08 jackmitchell, I'm about to post an answer of the form 'you guys are too stupid to live' May 02 13:54:22 those posts made me dumber May 02 13:54:28 as always, the underinvestment is in s/w where the complexity is May 02 13:54:52 <_av500_> jackmitchell: why laugh? May 02 13:55:21 <_av500_> these people are asking a simple question May 02 13:55:25 wulfman: use -v May 02 13:55:35 wulfman: then ssh tells you what it does and where it fails May 02 13:55:40 jackmitchell: no doubt that TI blew it May 02 13:55:43 wulfman: google for the error msg from ssh May 02 13:55:50 i was doing that May 02 13:56:02 seems you need assecc to the bone to correct that May 02 13:56:05 access May 02 13:56:09 jackmitchell: but I do take offence at people assuming TI actually did work on bbb, minus a few patches May 02 13:56:35 _av500_: not in a cruel way, but in exasperation May 02 13:56:40 wulfman: use the serial console May 02 13:56:42 koen, agreed. TI should actually staff s/w resources for a major product release May 02 13:57:01 koen, been a problem long before BBB, as you know May 02 13:57:08 not to dimish the great help from mdp, darren, etc May 02 13:57:32 but roughly speaking, >90% of all the work done on beagle* is not from TI May 02 13:57:32 it's spare time stuff May 02 13:59:31 that's always been my complaint about the staffing May 02 13:59:48 koen: apropos software...do you know how well the software support for the LVDS cape is? May 02 14:02:26 panto - no joy looking thru chat logs for device tree / UART stuff - I realize time is UTC - looks like log has a gap from 01:17:09 to 15:54:44 May 02 14:03:43 http://pastebin.com/6XXgBBRg May 02 14:03:50 compile it with dtc May 02 14:03:57 put the dtbo in /lib/firmware May 02 14:04:20 echo BB-BONE-UART1 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots May 02 14:04:22 done May 02 14:08:40 @panto - Many thanks May 02 14:11:26 <_av500_> panto: what is 00A0? May 02 14:13:03 revision May 02 14:14:31 hey guys..I have a quick question about GSoC May 02 14:16:02 I`d like to tackle the PRU firmware loader May 02 14:16:57 but I wanted to know if that idea is on the "priority list"? May 02 14:20:23 or if its of interest to the community May 02 14:20:33 Well, the priority in part is "what will people be excited to work on" May 02 14:22:12 koen: you'll get an extra bar of chocolate for an answer ;) May 02 14:25:47 <_av500_> hmm, unevent.txt is neat May 02 14:27:03 _av500_: ? May 02 14:27:03 Reminds me, what's the gsoc list? May 02 14:28:28 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/beagleboard-gsoc May 02 14:29:09 thanks May 02 14:29:48 <_av500_> mru: Gerald Coley's spell checker May 02 14:34:44 panto - getting this during dtc compile tim@ubuntu:~/Documents$ dtc -O dtb -o UART1.dtb -b 0 UART1.dts DTC: dts->dtb on file "UART1.dts" Error: UART1.dts:11.6-12 syntax error FATAL ERROR: Unable to parse input tree May 02 14:39:33 well.. i find that project interesting but I do have a few questions May 02 14:39:56 regarding how it should work May 02 14:41:44 1st off I don`t know if cape hot swapping is supported May 02 14:41:55 and if so how is the detection done when swapping? May 02 14:42:07 cape hot swap is NOT supported May 02 14:42:42 so capes are detected at boot-time? May 02 14:42:53 if you try you will let the magic smoke out of the chips May 02 14:43:05 (I don`t have a BB so some of my questions are stupid..sorry for that) May 02 14:43:21 nothing is stupid May 02 14:45:21 so cape detection is done while booting the board? or you need to hand-start it? May 02 14:45:33 yes on boot May 02 14:46:08 yes, you hand-start it by turning a little crank May 02 14:46:31 :)) May 02 14:46:32 wtf MY bord did not come with a hand crank May 02 14:46:34 ClemsonTim80_, you need to compile with the patched dtc plus supply a -@ argument May 02 14:47:15 and detection is done by bus polling i presume? May 02 14:47:34 no there is an eeprom on the cape May 02 14:47:42 you need to read the bb manual May 02 14:47:52 I know there is a eeprom May 02 14:48:21 but I know they have different addresses May 02 14:49:54 panto - I will try to get patched dtc - can you type a complete compile command showing the arguments you speak of May 02 14:50:12 ClemsonTim80_, why make thing more complicated? May 02 14:50:19 grab the bbb kernel May 02 14:50:30 and add you cape in firmware/capes May 02 14:50:32 *your May 02 14:50:54 add the cape in firmware/Makefile too May 02 14:51:01 compile, and it's all there May 02 14:51:02 I don't have a cape - using native UARTS with level shifters May 02 14:52:08 most of the 'capes' in there are not real May 02 14:52:18 they are just like what you do May 02 14:52:38 a way to define a hardware set and turn it on at runtime May 02 14:55:15 panto, hehe May 02 14:55:35 VirtuaCapes ... FIGHT! May 02 14:57:23 wulfman thank you very much for all your help May 02 15:10:49 anyone here know how to access the i2c2 bus on BB black? May 02 15:11:16 i2cdetect -l only shows i2c-0 and i2c-1 May 02 15:11:43 I'm trying to debug a cape that I'm building for the BB... May 02 15:11:57 i2c-1 is actually h/w I2C2 May 02 15:12:14 the numbers are assigned sequentially May 02 15:12:25 i2c1 is not enabled, so... May 02 15:12:42 Ahhh... ok, thanks... I'll look further into that! May 02 15:16:37 Hi guys, I am struggling a bit with pin muxing (again) in the devicetree setting in the new kernel May 02 15:16:54 so I do cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pins but how do I decode what the output means? May 02 15:20:41 it's the values of the pinmuxing registers May 02 15:21:04 try this too: cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pinmux-pins May 02 15:22:50 panto: ok, interesting May 02 15:23:27 panto: but how do I go from pin # to pin # on the BB P8 for example? May 02 15:25:44 Stefan__, I made a list: http://pastebin.com/G09t2wq4 May 02 15:26:48 panto: that's great work May 02 15:27:16 panto: now I just need to get my head around how you add hardware to the mux overlays :D May 02 15:27:41 panto, did you know about bradfa's list? May 02 15:28:00 * bradfa scrolls back... May 02 15:28:25 yeah, but I needed something simpler in text format May 02 15:28:35 bradfa's was/is an xls right? May 02 15:28:40 panto, it's text files May 02 15:28:45 * bradfa finds link... May 02 15:28:48 ooh, can I get pointed to this xls list :D May 02 15:28:58 oh :( May 02 15:28:59 bradfa's is text May 02 15:29:01 it's txt :D May 02 15:29:03 glorious text May 02 15:29:06 https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables May 02 15:29:07 someone had made an xls May 02 15:29:17 panto, so far every xls I've found was wrong May 02 15:29:20 heh, then it wasn't bradfa's :) May 02 15:29:28 panto, only xls I know of what the PRU one..that one was correct May 02 15:29:32 I could've saved a few hours May 02 15:29:50 panto, you should have asked me, I swear I would have mentioned it May 02 15:30:01 * panto shrugs May 02 15:30:03 no biggie May 02 15:30:07 I think up till (maybe including?) bone rev A6 that the SRM was actually wrong, even May 02 15:30:18 I will make my own version and blog about it May 02 15:30:23 I need a bigger monitor -- the text wraps around on mine and it's hell trying to follow the lines :/ May 02 15:30:25 mdp, please do! May 02 15:30:35 gmbl... May 02 15:30:45 bradfa, it'll be a pdf with comic sans May 02 15:30:53 kern it wrong! May 02 15:30:58 mdp: slow clap! May 02 15:31:00 * KotH hates the designers of the msp430 fram devices May 02 15:31:14 KotH, but fram solves even more things than systemd! May 02 15:31:48 bradfa: yeah.. and i have now the third bricked device because something wrote into the area where the JTAG keys are stored May 02 15:32:04 KotH, device tree can help, I'm sure of it! May 02 15:32:15 * KotH installs linux on the msp May 02 15:32:22 yes! May 02 15:32:35 device tree for stelaris! May 02 15:32:35 KotH, if you can make it run faster than that guy on that 8 bit platform, blog it May 02 15:32:41 lol May 02 15:32:53 KotH, for sure you will make hackaday May 02 15:33:15 bradfa: we are using a 24pin case... i would need to wire up dram and everything onto spi May 02 15:33:32 KotH, SPI SRAM can be had May 02 15:33:47 then you don't need to refresh it May 02 15:35:17 my pin mux tables print nicely on 11x17" papers May 02 15:35:29 on purpose May 02 15:37:05 * bradfa needs to make pinmux updates for BBB to indicate forbidden pins May 02 15:37:30 bradfa: if you ever stumble over some description how to access BSL from linux, i'd like to hear about it May 02 15:37:43 * KotH needs to unbrick those devices somewhen May 02 15:37:44 bradfa, we're supposed to make the forbidden pins to work too May 02 15:37:45 KotH, I'll keep you in mind May 02 15:37:49 but it's tricky May 02 15:38:18 * KotH calls for jihad and goes home May 02 15:38:24 cya boys May 02 15:42:30 nite KotH May 02 15:43:08 cya jihad boy May 02 15:50:46 morning emeb, prpplague May 02 15:50:53 hi prpplague May 02 15:51:42 greetings all May 02 15:52:25 prpplague: yo May 02 15:53:02 good morning ka6sox May 02 15:53:27 Goodday all~ May 02 15:54:44 morning jj2baile May 02 15:54:44 yo prpplague May 02 15:55:49 XorA: hey bud May 02 15:55:53 XorA: what's cookin? May 02 15:56:02 prpplague: not much, you? May 02 15:56:38 XorA: work work work May 02 15:57:14 hiya XorA May 02 15:57:28 LTNS May 02 15:57:33 prpplague: same as normal then :-D May 02 15:57:46 indeed May 02 15:58:31 Man - BatchPCB getting sold to OSHpark has ripple effects on me... May 02 15:58:59 OSHpark doesn't sell 3rd-party designs, so all the boards I was hosting at BatchPCB are no longer available. May 02 15:59:09 I'm getting emails from folks asking for gerbers now... May 02 15:59:50 :( May 02 16:00:53 Makes me wonder how many of my boards are out "in the wild". May 02 16:01:06 feral pcbs May 02 16:03:00 look out - they haven't had their shots. May 02 16:18:46 is BBB watch-dog featured? May 02 16:21:20 Does the BeagleBone Black support HDMI CEC? I did read in the tech specs that the support is not included in the software (but the hardware supports it?) May 02 16:27:39 <_av500_> deadpack: CEC is hooked up to the HDMI framer May 02 16:27:47 <_av500_> from there on it's mostly SW May 02 16:33:23 Thanks!! But since I am just starting with BeagleBone (and HDMI) I wanted to know if the default Angstrom OS supports CEC out of the box May 02 16:33:33 Or, do I need to fiddle with it? May 02 16:33:59 Can anybody explain to me *slowly* :D assuming I've written a dts file to get my pins muxed right, what do I do with it and how do I tie it in with whatever driver I might be writing? May 02 16:34:20 deadpack, not supported yet May 02 16:34:30 you are welcome to hack the crap out of it May 02 16:34:42 :) May 02 16:34:49 Stefan__, take a look at firmware/capes May 02 16:34:56 panto: I have May 02 16:34:59 checkout out the geiger cape May 02 16:35:07 Thanks, panto! Sounds fun! May 02 16:35:08 and the corresponding geiger driver May 02 16:35:21 panto: I've not looked at that particular one May 02 16:35:22 so I will May 02 16:35:23 :) May 02 16:35:24 thanks! May 02 16:37:12 panto: where can I find the geiger driver ? May 02 16:37:41 drivers/misc/cape/beaglebone May 02 16:38:23 yes May 02 16:38:24 found it May 02 16:38:25 thanks! May 02 16:39:16 panto: I presume I should put my driver here as well? May 02 16:40:30 for now sure May 02 16:40:54 I haven't given much thought about where community drivers should be May 02 16:42:20 panto: ok, can I ask you a more general question :) May 02 16:42:44 sure, I hope you like a general answer May 02 16:44:19 panto: I am writing a driver to communicate with an FPGA board -- it's a char device at the moment, it uses GPMC so I need to do some pin muxing -- what's the best approach to do that? May 02 16:44:28 also I guess that's not very general :D May 02 16:44:50 GPMC, by definition, is General May 02 16:45:06 Stefan__, I'm working on gpmc right now May 02 16:45:06 mdp: lol :D May 02 16:45:26 Getting started question: booting up my new BBBlack May 02 16:45:30 panto: ok...? May 02 16:45:30 you should pull the latest kernel and check out the last commits May 02 16:45:41 there's a gpmc configuration example there May 02 16:45:44 panto, you're forcing me to do so too ;) May 02 16:45:49 BB-BONE-CAM3 May 02 16:45:58 I've tried the 'USB to PC', can see the file system, cannot load drivers (Windows 2012 Server, probably an unsigned drivers issue) May 02 16:45:58 mdp, I'm evil May 02 16:46:01 vendor evil May 02 16:46:19 panto: I'll have a look, but the thing is I've already have the driver, I am merely making small modifications to it May 02 16:46:23 <_av500_> deadpack: what do you need cec for? May 02 16:46:32 <_av500_> take note that the BBB is not really a media center May 02 16:46:43 Also tried 'external power + ethernet + HDMI -> DisplayLink -> Monitor configuration, no signal to the monitor May 02 16:47:05 have a look at it: https://github.com/fpga-logi/Logi-kernel/tree/master/beaglebone/modules/fifo_module May 02 16:47:35 I see status lights 1 & 3 blinking, but no external monitor signal May 02 16:47:59 PWR light is solid May 02 16:49:08 Stefan__, depends on the driver May 02 16:49:24 for example if you use any platform data, you'll have to switch to DT bindings May 02 16:49:47 panto: that's way over my head :) treat me as a newbie pls :) May 02 16:50:20 new board files are not accepted anymore May 02 16:50:33 JayHiking: Windows 2012 Server ??! yeah, you might have unsigned driver issues! May 02 16:50:45 so instead of having the platform config done in a board file, you'll have to have device tree bindings May 02 16:51:00 and the drivers must pull their config from there May 02 16:51:37 panto: by board file you mean the .dts files? May 02 16:51:46 no May 02 16:52:05 how did you configure your driver? by platform data? May 02 16:52:05 Hey, mdp, just thought I would let you know that my application is finished. I just realized, I never did ask you directly... do you intend on being a mentor for this project? May 02 16:52:24 then you'd hack the board-am335xevm.c file for the 3.2 kernel version of the bone May 02 16:52:52 you mean how I configured the GPMC module? May 02 16:52:56 morning friends. family, and family of trolls May 02 16:53:02 among other things May 02 16:53:08 hi mr microcode man May 02 16:53:29 ucode, eeew May 02 16:54:35 panto: cute May 02 16:55:05 panto: Well, as I said I did not write the driver myself, but my understanding is that clock is routed to the GPMC, and then the module reset, and configured via writing the appropriate values to the appropriate registers May 02 16:55:20 as you can see I am not very competent on the subject :D May 02 16:58:54 think of it as a way to get better... May 02 17:00:14 panto: Yes, that's what keeps me going May 02 17:00:42 anyway, what would be the way to get the pins muxed correctly? May 02 17:01:32 the pinctrl method May 02 17:01:57 i.e. via devicetree? May 02 17:02:19 if you plan to use 3.8 there's no other way May 02 17:03:18 what do you all think is the best OS to run on the beagle bone black? May 02 17:03:30 depends on what you want to do May 02 17:03:35 mru +1 May 02 17:03:42 That's what I understood as well. So what are the steps? I've had a look at the geiger-cape source code, and while I understand how the driver and devicetree description connect somewhat, I am still hazy on the details May 02 17:03:52 in many cases linux is a good choice May 02 17:03:59 ideally I need like a link or smth to read up on this May 02 17:04:35 panto: would it be possible to just enable the muxing by default i.e. at boot? May 02 17:04:50 I understand that is likely to break things, but would be like a first step for me May 02 17:05:07 while I try to figure out what the best practice is :) May 02 17:05:29 how does ubuntu differ then anystrom? May 02 17:05:37 the best practice is DT May 02 17:05:42 more bloatware May 02 17:05:57 and more fanboyism May 02 17:05:58 Angstrom is streamlined for Embedded May 02 17:06:01 your boot setting will be overwritten by the pinctrl driver May 02 17:06:07 I want to use some of the socketcan stuff May 02 17:06:40 Stefan__, all this stuff is pretty new May 02 17:06:52 this channel is your documentation May 02 17:07:14 I thought the documentation was on 26-26-54 May 02 17:07:17 panto: so how do I do that? Also, I would like to have to re-write as little as possible from the driver that I have as my supervisor is not too patient at the moment May 02 17:07:38 you write your driver May 02 17:07:44 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/43 May 02 17:07:54 there are plenty of examples to copy from May 02 17:07:55 as I said, it's all on there May 02 17:08:48 panto: brrr... sounds like I'm destined to fail :D May 02 17:09:15 no, you're destined to learn May 02 17:09:17 enjoy :) May 02 17:09:43 what's the last kernel version that supports the debugfs way of muxing -- I'd like to try the driver on that (as I have to test the FPGA implementation as well) to see if everything is fine before porting to 3.8? May 02 17:09:53 an expert is a person who has made every possible mistake in a very narrow field May 02 17:10:25 don't remember who said it May 02 17:11:28 I agree guys -- but when somebody tells you that they need you to have done this yesterday when you're working on something new to you and with little knowledge of the platform and are supervised by somebody who has little idea about the challenges of developing things like this -- i feel like i want to shoot people every day May 02 17:11:42 shoot them May 02 17:11:46 we're safely away ;) May 02 17:12:04 * mru closes blast doors May 02 17:12:11 or get a job where people don't say that May 02 17:12:14 Stefan__, the latest 3.2 kernel doesn't work on the black May 02 17:12:14 Lol -- I would not shoot you -- how would I get any answers :D May 02 17:12:23 panto: I have an old BB May 02 17:12:26 a white one :) May 02 17:12:30 you'd make them up yourself May 02 17:12:36 those are the best answers May 02 17:12:53 they never contradict known facts May 02 17:12:59 lol :) May 02 17:13:04 panto: you know there are other x86 people here you can ask for microcode :) May 02 17:13:33 can you point me to a repo that I can use to build a 3.2 kernel with the debugfs pinmuxing? May 02 17:15:02 the same repo contains the 3.2 kernels May 02 17:15:27 koen/linux-ti33x-psp-3.2.34-r18a+gitr720e07b4c1f687b61b147b31c698cb6816d72f01 May 02 17:15:30 enjoy May 02 17:15:48 https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel? May 02 17:15:50 yes May 02 17:16:22 Any tips on diagnosing no video out on BBBlack micro HDMI port? May 02 17:16:39 I have a http connection and Gate One SSH to the board May 02 17:16:55 But no signal is coming to my external monitor May 02 17:18:19 panto: can I have that in link format? May 02 17:18:27 I am struggling to find it :) May 02 17:19:04 is this it? https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beaglebone-3.2 May 02 17:19:21 <_av500_> yes May 02 17:19:32 Thank you guys! May 02 17:20:44 Honestly, if it were not for you, I'd be looking at a completion date for my project around 2020 :D May 02 17:21:09 so, is the BBB about the ninth version of developed beagleboard progression? May 02 17:21:47 Stefan__: i have lots of begun projects older than that estimate ;) May 02 17:22:03 djlewis: counting only sold versions? May 02 17:22:26 mru: yep May 02 17:22:44 djlewis: But do you have a guy asking you everyday whether they are done, and when you say no, he does not understand what the deal is as it's super easy stuff? :D May 02 17:23:09 ugh... higher ups without a clue... May 02 17:23:36 Stefan__: no i am my own boss in this respect. May 02 17:23:50 djlewis: The name of the game -- also I am the only guy working on developing the FPGA code, some of the analog circuitry and the sw... fun :) May 02 17:25:28 i'll be flogged and whipped with a big wet cod for this but I have been spending more dev time with arduino's lately for the cost and simplicity ;) May 02 17:26:16 djlewis: apropos unfinished projects: http://wondermark.com/tink8/ May 02 17:26:21 and the fact that these projects dont need the horsepower of a 32bit arm May 02 17:27:53 <_av500_> djlewis: hi! May 02 17:27:55 mru: i ove it. May 02 17:28:02 _av500_: good morning dude May 02 17:28:14 <_av500_> hows the telescope? May 02 17:28:36 mru: i gotta print this out so my new (female) roomate can see it. May 02 17:28:55 djlewis: you can buy poster prints of that May 02 17:29:11 mru: cheaper to print it :) May 02 17:29:20 <_av500_> and you get to tinker with the printer May 02 17:29:30 come on, they guy deserves the support May 02 17:29:40 -y May 02 17:29:54 * mru has a few of his t-shirts May 02 17:30:01 _av500_: both the 12.5" newt and the 18" dob have not seen many photons of late. May 02 17:30:04 <_av500_> see, his is supported May 02 17:30:10 <_av500_> djlewis: http://www.astroanarchy.blogspot.de/ May 02 17:30:15 <_av500_> djlewis: know this one? May 02 17:30:40 <_av500_> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GfFeY4_D4Uk/UF8-gJ5k1kI/AAAAAAAAHSA/1oX8GEjcg2E/s1600/Skope1.jpg May 02 17:31:12 mru: well then, i'll just send her the link :) May 02 17:31:50 _av500_: now that looks like a well used imaging scope. May 02 17:34:06 weee, two more BBB's arrived today May 02 17:35:54 mmm BBQ May 02 17:47:10 <_av500_> gee, lazer man still exists May 02 17:52:31 Does anyone know if the TPS65217 on the BeagleBone Black will handle a single cell LiPo for charging and discharging? May 02 17:53:47 shapr, yes, it will, if you populate the "test points" that break out the PMIC pins for doing so May 02 17:54:25 shapr, so long as by "discharging" you mean running the board May 02 17:54:33 right, that May 02 17:54:36 and not like you want to drive the battery into a load tester or something May 02 17:54:48 And that chip will also handle charging? May 02 17:54:56 just use a 10k ohm resistor if your pack of choice doesn't have an NTC May 02 17:55:04 shapr, yes it'll charge May 02 17:55:12 default charge rate, I believe, is 400 mA May 02 17:55:27 see data sheet for details May 02 17:55:37 the chip datasheet, or the beaglebone black? May 02 17:55:43 tps65217 data sheet May 02 17:55:44 <_av500_> TPS May 02 17:55:47 ok, thanks! May 02 17:55:51 * shapr bounces cheerfully May 02 17:56:12 shapr, for reference, I run Ultralife UBP002 batteries on my bones (white, but same PMIC other than firmware inside) May 02 17:56:28 http://ultralifecorporation.com/be-commercial/products/rechargeable/ubp002/ May 02 17:58:05 bradfa: Thanks, I'll read up on the TPS chip May 02 18:03:13 I think I have the answer - but just to confirm.... Unlike the earlier Beaglebone, one cannot talk to the Beaglebone Black throuh a serial terminal over the USB cable used to power the bone. May 02 18:03:33 hello May 02 18:03:54 Farnarkle, not without some fancy console twiddling, correct May 02 18:04:04 I need feedback about one project May 02 18:04:17 but there's an easily accessible _real_ serial console May 02 18:04:21 huge improvement May 02 18:04:26 OK - got in there using PuTTY and the default USB ethernet address. May 02 18:05:33 <_av500_> that or an FTDI USB cable May 02 18:05:37 Just making sure I read,and understood correctly - and hadn't broken something May 02 18:05:40 <_av500_> on the 6 pin header May 02 18:06:00 _av500_: shouldn't a regular 3.3V level shifter work? May 02 18:06:13 like a MAX2323 May 02 18:06:18 Wondered what the new header was but hadn't got that far in the docs. May 02 18:06:29 <_av500_> mru: sure, if you have a regular serial port May 02 18:06:30 mru: Sure, if you wanted to go to an RS232 port. May 02 18:06:39 and obviously that should be max3232 May 02 18:06:57 Hey, does anyone have any links/examples of using the PWM in Java? May 02 18:07:12 <_av500_> woglinde: ^^^ May 02 18:07:27 he av500 May 02 18:07:34 whats up? May 02 18:07:37 <_av500_> somebody said us the j word May 02 18:07:42 I can not see whats above your marks May 02 18:07:52 <_av500_> 20:06 < Dalek_ > Hey, does anyone have any links/examples of using the PWM in Java? May 02 18:07:54 no jazelle on the bone... May 02 18:07:57 av500 opencv May 02 18:08:11 <_av500_> woglinde: your irc is on a typewriter? May 02 18:08:21 mru you mean thumbee May 02 18:08:31 av500 yes May 02 18:08:38 pidgeon protokoll May 02 18:08:38 good to know, any suggestions on a server library in c++ then? May 02 18:08:39 no, I mean jazelle, and the bone hasn't any May 02 18:08:50 woglinde: thumbee is also deprecated btw May 02 18:08:59 mru what is it now? May 02 18:09:05 <_av500_> dalvik May 02 18:09:11 hehe May 02 18:09:14 nice try May 02 18:09:17 yes, pretty much May 02 18:09:20 <_av500_> works on my phone May 02 18:09:31 no, but jit compilers are the new way May 02 18:09:40 dalvik has thumbee support May 02 18:09:41 hm May 02 18:09:45 doubt that May 02 18:09:53 doubt what? May 02 18:09:56 * _av500_ dont May 02 18:10:06 accelerating bytecode execution in hw was a dead end May 02 18:10:07 mru like itanium? May 02 18:10:12 <_av500_> Dalek_: on whatr hw? May 02 18:10:26 mru thumbee support for dalvik May 02 18:10:35 i got the beagleboard black coming tomorrow May 02 18:10:39 <_av500_> ic May 02 18:10:42 Dalek_: it's awesome! May 02 18:10:55 hm pwm in java only via sysfs May 02 18:11:02 or jni May 02 18:11:03 Dalek_: https://plus.google.com/111055028010401074243/posts/LDLHVj12cq3 May 02 18:11:17 I want to control to simple-h motor controlers (requires pwms) via a serverlet and android tablet May 02 18:11:26 Don't get caught out chasing you tail like I have for the last 1/2 day - connection through a console is done differently now May 02 18:11:34 Dalek_: If nothing else you can get the PRUs to do that for you May 02 18:11:47 ieehks android May 02 18:11:50 Farnarkle: ssh -XC ? What are you using? May 02 18:12:00 you need ndk May 02 18:12:39 I kept trying to use the old method by pointing a terminal program (like hyperterminal) at the detected serial port) May 02 18:12:53 shapr: let me look up PRU, I am new to robotics May 02 18:13:25 Using PuTTY now to the USB/Ethernet adapter address that the bone comes up on (192.168.7.2) May 02 18:13:33 <_av500_> you dont need PRU for PWN May 02 18:13:44 <_av500_> PWM May 02 18:13:59 <_av500_> Farnarkle: was there one detected? May 02 18:14:31 hi av500 May 02 18:14:33 hm rpi has opened the door for bbb May 02 18:14:40 On the good side, "ssh -l root beaglebone.local" should work. May 02 18:14:42 woglinde: I agree May 02 18:15:10 hi shapr May 02 18:15:32 shapr: I looked at the google plus link but I don't see any examples/info on the PWMS May 02 18:15:34 woglinde: funny, i look at as beagleboard opened the door for RPi and the BBB is simply opening another door May 02 18:15:43 hi Rushikesh May 02 18:15:45 panto: http://www.theonion.com/articles/historians-admit-to-inventing-ancient-greeks,18209/?ref=auto May 02 18:15:50 shapr and I really wondered who will buy a bbb after getting a beagle and classic bone May 02 18:15:54 panto: i knew it! you are all fake! May 02 18:15:59 i disagree with that statement. TI did not make their $5.00 arm SoC because of RPi May 02 18:16:07 <_av500_> KotH: the debt is real May 02 18:16:23 they made it in response to the sharp decline in prices and competition form other SoC makers May 02 18:16:27 <_av500_> TI made $5 ARM SoC since long May 02 18:16:30 prpplague hm hm the price opened the door the rpi May 02 18:16:35 I looked @ RPi but went against it due to the restrictions on the Broadcom datasheets May 02 18:16:52 <_av500_> $5 means nothing unless you scope out what it does May 02 18:16:54 you have to see the rpi for what it is: May 02 18:16:55 The $5 am335x runs at 275 MHz and has no PRU or 3d May 02 18:16:59 1) a broadcom device May 02 18:17:04 i need your feedback about one project will you please read my abstract in private chat May 02 18:17:06 2) a media player May 02 18:17:15 RasPi is a GPU with an ARM11 kludged on the side May 02 18:17:23 I like BOTH kinds of microcontrollers, ARM and AVR! May 02 18:17:25 <_av500_> Rushikesh: I dont read anything in private chat May 02 18:17:33 na not agin what rpi we all know it May 02 18:17:36 +is May 02 18:17:45 <_av500_> woglinde: once per day May 02 18:17:52 av500 okay May 02 18:17:55 <_av500_> we all have text macros prepared May 02 18:17:57 primetime May 02 18:18:20 3) a cruel joke May 02 18:18:20 ok then let me explain it here May 02 18:18:41 Rushikesh, is this for gsoc? May 02 18:19:02 yup yup May 02 18:19:07 KotH, you wish May 02 18:19:12 Have you tried #beagle-gsoc? May 02 18:19:18 Rushikesh subscribed to gsoc mailinglist? May 02 18:19:22 <_av500_> or the mailing list? May 02 18:19:28 good May 02 18:19:33 no :( May 02 18:19:33 bad May 02 18:19:36 I am new here May 02 18:19:39 that's ok May 02 18:19:43 av500_: is PRU the same as GPIO? May 02 18:19:44 /join #beagle-gsoc May 02 18:19:55 Dalek_: No. May 02 18:19:58 dalek no May 02 18:19:59 Okssss May 02 18:20:15 and don't ask to ask May 02 18:20:17 just ask May 02 18:20:27 yes ask bradfa only May 02 18:20:30 :P May 02 18:20:31 shapr, woglinde: I bought a Black after buying an xM and a classic bone. May 02 18:20:38 I've got Microchip dsPIC, Cypress PSoC, and ARM stuff May 02 18:20:46 thanks May 02 18:20:53 agmlego your money May 02 18:20:56 And I also have a small pile of Pis. May 02 18:21:04 bradfa, anybody here? May 02 18:21:06 woglinde: No, my applications. May 02 18:21:12 mdp, _av500_ is! May 02 18:21:20 gm mdp May 02 18:21:32 * mdp blinks May 02 18:21:37 anybody just left May 02 18:21:42 afternoon woglinde ;) May 02 18:21:57 or evening May 02 18:22:01 * bradfa wishes he could work from home and take naps mid-day like mdp May 02 18:22:12 woglinde: Neither the xM nor the classic bone had the right mxi of processing power and IO. May 02 18:22:14 * mdp feels busted May 02 18:22:24 bradfa search a new job May 02 18:22:30 shhh! May 02 18:22:52 woglinde, if I do, I'll be more secretive about it than mranostay May 02 18:22:55 one you can do from home May 02 18:23:01 I even found bradfa the right desk for napping May 02 18:23:11 +1 May 02 18:23:32 amlego oka< May 02 18:23:35 ok, back to writing documentation :( May 02 18:23:46 documentation is good May 02 18:23:57 bradfa, for the windows developers? May 02 18:24:03 sort of May 02 18:24:12 teaching a transmit only thing how to receive May 02 18:24:17 woohooo just got my bbb :D May 02 18:24:24 maximum exact steps, engage! May 02 18:29:48 bradfa: Work from home gets really lonely after the first few months May 02 18:30:08 shapr: depends on how literally you take it May 02 18:30:18 both the 'work' and the 'home' part May 02 18:30:20 shapr, I'm not worried about that, I have imaginary friends May 02 18:30:31 Last time I did it ,there wasn't a coffee shop nearby May 02 18:30:33 and the Internets May 02 18:30:34 bradfa: haha May 02 18:30:38 if you substitute 'drink' and 'pub' it works out nicely May 02 18:30:53 we have 2 coworking places in town, I assume I'd visit there when I get lonely May 02 18:31:02 then I'd get fed up with the hipsters and go home and be happy May 02 18:31:09 and alone May 02 18:31:15 heh, a coworking place just started up here, looks pretty neat actually. May 02 18:33:56 shapr: you suggested the the PRU (processing unit? )can be used instead of pwm, can you elaborate? Would that use a lot of resources? May 02 18:34:06 No, it's the other way around May 02 18:34:56 Dalek_: The PRUs are "Programmable Real Time Units" and they're designed to handle simple real-time tasks. May 02 18:37:19 shapr: Thanks, when I searched PRU, I didn't find that acronym....I will read up on it :) May 02 18:37:27 sure, tell me what you find! May 02 18:37:43 re May 02 18:43:51 Proper Runtime Userspace May 02 18:48:17 <_av500_> Pi Raspberry's Uncle May 02 18:48:35 lol May 02 18:49:20 and that got me to Monkey's Uncle..and of course, to bootloader writing monkeys May 02 18:49:57 a million monkeys each banging on a million keyboards will eventually write the Linux kernel May 02 18:50:05 <_av500_> a boot loader May 02 18:50:22 a million monkeys banging a million _bits_ May 02 18:50:39 _av500_: for boot loader, scratch 'eventually' May 02 18:50:47 <_av500_> right May 02 18:51:13 poo flinging monkeys May 02 18:51:41 ewww, there's poo in my bootloader May 02 18:52:08 <_av500_> u-poo May 02 18:52:20 u-no-poo! May 02 18:52:25 (too late) May 02 18:52:26 <_av500_> y-u-poo? May 02 18:53:02 bradfa, there's a lot of truthiness to that ;) May 02 18:53:19 mdp, I'm evidence to the truthiness! May 02 18:53:20 :) May 02 18:53:54 @bradfa ... Better than it being in your boot May 02 18:54:51 * mdp imagines bradfa's boat loaded with poo May 02 18:55:43 this channel has reached a new low mark May 02 18:55:49 <_av500_> http://www.ebay.de/itm/ws/110991668766#ht_6104wt_1143 May 02 18:55:59 Thx :D May 02 18:56:18 is that some kind of dildo? May 02 18:56:22 <_av500_> mru: I blame all the rpi kids flooding in here May 02 18:56:23 apparently that prevents chilblain May 02 18:56:24 hehe May 02 18:56:25 whatever that is May 02 18:56:42 <_av500_> its a hand warmer dammit May 02 18:57:00 right May 02 18:57:08 _av500_: then why won't they ship it to nigeria? May 02 18:57:17 let's agree that it's a multipurpose device May 02 18:57:20 Here's something... http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/B005MR3IVO?tag=duckduckgo-d-20 May 02 18:57:27 <_av500_> mru: because its warm already in nigeria May 02 18:57:50 Note: Includes pump. May 02 18:58:05 shapr: ok I found some examples of using the PRU instead of PWM, but they gloss over which pins can be used, or can any of the 46 pins be used? May 02 18:58:18 Amazon oddities is ... odd May 02 18:58:37 yep, looks like the two go together. May 02 18:58:52 And this was once the family channel. May 02 19:00:11 djlewis, indeed, but at least we are happily off-topic as usual May 02 19:00:25 wheee May 02 19:00:50 Hey, mdp, just thought I would let you know that my application is finished. I just realized, I never did ask you directly... do you intend on being a mentor for this project? May 02 19:01:08 What do people do when wanting a LAMP server on a Beaglebone May 02 19:01:13 he djlewis long time not seen May 02 19:01:21 <_av500_> Farnarkle: install BULB? May 02 19:01:22 install php May 02 19:01:33 <_av500_> using SOCKET May 02 19:01:40 lol May 02 19:01:46 <_av500_> these days, you can be sure there is a project by that name May 02 19:02:10 ROFL @ av500 May 02 19:02:30 some lamps have binary bulbs May 02 19:02:40 Most do May 02 19:02:55 The tricky ones hace analogues controls May 02 19:03:21 Looking @ other linux dustros May 02 19:03:32 <_av500_> https://github.com/willcosgrove/bulb May 02 19:03:52 tsquar3d, tbh, I was trying to stick to PRU proposal stuff..but I can be co-mentor on the IIO/sigrok portion of it if you can get somebody else on board to help May 02 19:04:20 gem <- means its a rails server? May 02 19:04:41 woglinde: hi amigo.. May 02 19:04:45 Bulb that is May 02 19:05:52 <_av500_> never hurt to have some RAILS May 02 19:06:07 Don't have time to learn yet another lang May 02 19:06:17 mdp, okay. Well, I can ask ds2 what their plans are... May 02 19:06:28 Need something next week - no pressure :) May 02 19:06:29 can python travel by rails? May 02 19:06:53 Snakes on a train? May 02 19:07:16 <_av500_> Farnarkle: for next week I would try the PLAGIATE framework May 02 19:07:31 Never heard of that one May 02 19:07:32 av500 haha May 02 19:07:59 <_av500_> Farnarkle: yeah, me neither ... I swear May 02 19:08:19 _av500_: PLAGIARIZE framework? May 02 19:08:35 PLAGUE framework May 02 19:08:40 +1 May 02 19:08:51 Probably going to use python to pull files over FTP and process them into mysql, then use "nubuilder" to create the data access pages May 02 19:08:55 one work to frame them all May 02 19:09:29 <_av500_> alan_o: installed NITPICK? May 02 19:09:46 hi alan_o May 02 19:10:05 hi woglinde May 02 19:14:02 _av500_: you know... to tell the truth, I didn't know plagiate was a form of (or related or whatever it's called) plagiarize. I also should have read more context in the log. Wasn't trying to nitpick. I say all this because the last thing I want to do is be the jerk who nitpicks the English of non-native speakers. May 02 19:14:15 * alan_o feels dumb and crawls back into his code. May 02 19:14:58 ifconfig May 02 19:16:12 eeew May 02 19:17:05 Commands hurt your eyes? May 02 19:17:17 <_av500_> alan_o: its not a form May 02 19:17:27 <_av500_> I made it up from the german Plagiat May 02 19:17:28 Better be careful what I put in the wrong scree! May 02 19:17:58 ifconfig is weird and primitive May 02 19:18:07 'ip' from the iproute2 package is much nicer May 02 19:18:08 Thx :) May 02 19:18:27 I like wierd and primitive May 02 19:18:39 weird even May 02 19:18:45 something already stuck in memory May 02 19:18:55 mru: what's actually nicer about it from a user perspective? I know it's built on newer system calls, but I find the syntax of ip horrible. May 02 19:19:05 seems like maybe we've had this conversation before May 02 19:19:11 the syntax of ip is _logical_ May 02 19:19:20 it maps directly what you're actually doing May 02 19:19:21 <_av500_> to vulcans May 02 19:19:21 uvjed May 02 19:19:32 yes, we have had this conversation before..... May 02 19:19:34 also, it can do things ifconfig can't May 02 19:19:43 that last part is true May 02 19:19:57 <_av500_> so can vi May 02 19:19:59 most obvious one: assing multiple addresses to an interface May 02 19:20:04 ifconfig gave exactly what I was after - but I have to admit - ipconfig would be a more sensible command May 02 19:20:21 Farnarkle: if you're on windows :) May 02 19:20:37 <_av500_> ipconfig /all May 02 19:21:05 Well, unfortunatly thats what I am used to - even if windows 7 p****ses me off every hour May 02 19:22:08 the _name_ ifconfig is reasonably logical May 02 19:22:14 after all, it configures and interface May 02 19:22:17 *an May 02 19:22:42 but I was after the IP - so that was more logical at the time May 02 19:25:43 prpplague, have you reviewed hatguy_ 's gsoc energia proposal? May 02 19:26:12 spibywire only May 02 19:26:37 we can program an arduino or a Pi I suppose... May 02 19:26:51 * mdp sends ka6sox to the other channel May 02 19:27:34 -.-. --.-) May 02 19:27:37 -.-. --.- May 02 19:27:58 channel 2? May 02 19:28:16 --.- ... ..-. May 02 19:28:45 bradfa, I'm wrong...its available...on the TP connectors May 02 19:29:03 * ka6sox programmes the PRUs to send Morse Code... May 02 19:29:24 finally! a useful purpose for the pru. May 02 19:30:19 ahh May 02 19:30:53 mrpackethead: got it? May 02 19:30:56 ka6sox, jtag, on msp430 lunchbox, on toilet paper connectors? May 02 19:30:57 I can't find that one May 02 19:31:09 gahh! cross channel conversations! :) May 02 19:31:28 switching to secure channel ... now! May 02 19:31:38 mdp: ready room? May 02 19:32:03 alan_o, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptnJpF_WvUk May 02 19:33:38 mdp: should have been https:// :) May 02 19:45:19 alan_o, have you seen my proposal, by chance? May 02 19:58:48 tsquar3d: no. Which one are you again? May 02 19:59:10 The data collection / analysis module. May 02 19:59:23 http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/tsquar3d/1 May 02 19:59:24 alan_o, May 02 20:05:59 tsquar3d: interesting May 02 20:06:09 tsquar3d: for the record, I'd love to see an IIO driver for sigrok May 02 20:06:18 Anything you might be interested in co-mentoring? May 02 20:07:59 I've never used sigrok, so I may not be of as much help as you think, but I suppose so. Let me check the mentoring page..... May 02 20:08:54 Well, what I think I need most is general support. May 02 20:09:03 mdp: I thought interns were to make it so I had _less_ work to do :) May 02 20:09:18 tsquar3d: ok, cool. Do I have to generate paperwork for this? May 02 20:09:35 mdp and ds2 are both interested, but they have other primary focuses. May 02 20:09:52 and they told you I don't have a job? ;) May 02 20:09:57 alan_o, Err... not on my account, but I cant tell you what the gsoc requirements are. May 02 20:10:02 I can help out with mentoring as well May 02 20:10:19 koen, you would be interested in helping mentor my project? May 02 20:10:25 alan_o: you give your name and address to google, they send you a tshirt at the end May 02 20:10:29 alan_o: that's about it May 02 20:10:31 tsquar3d: yes May 02 20:10:46 Okay... cool... so I now have 4 partial mentors... lol May 02 20:11:11 I feel old May 02 20:11:18 7 years ago I was a gsoc student May 02 20:11:38 * koen waits for mranostay to make a bald joke May 02 20:11:41 youngster! May 02 20:11:48 koen: I think there wasn't gsoc when I graduated. May 02 20:11:55 No comment. May 02 20:11:59 koen: there was altavista summer of code May 02 20:12:02 and we liked it! May 02 20:12:05 lycos! May 02 20:12:18 The Netscape summer of code. May 02 20:12:19 webcrawler ftw May 02 20:12:36 summer of code 2.0 Gold May 02 20:12:39 with builtin editor May 02 20:12:50 archie summer of code? May 02 20:13:01 So, do I need a dedicated mentor or are 4 co-mentors good enough> May 02 20:13:02 ? May 02 20:13:25 when I started uni one of the dorms had a question in their interview May 02 20:13:55 "which unstable linux kernel version had the dreaded ext2 bug?" May 02 20:14:06 you would get rejected if you knew the answer May 02 20:14:22 (2.1.111 in case you're wondering) May 02 20:14:38 I've seen many data-eating bugs in linux May 02 20:15:20 yes May 02 20:15:24 koen: Those dorm "gatekeepers" are no doubt selling paper now. May 02 20:15:40 nfs-on-xfs was a goodie May 02 20:15:49 alan_o: mechanical engineers May 02 20:16:07 nfs-on-xfs still doesn't work reliably May 02 20:16:26 koen: ok, they're _pushing_ paper now :) May 02 20:16:36 if the client is an architecture that starts with A, it occasionally fails to notice updates May 02 20:16:42 arm, avr32, etc May 02 20:16:43 Okay co-mentors, koen, alan_o, ds2, mdp -- if you have any feedback on my proposal, please feel free to lay it on me. May 02 20:16:53 ok, the A bit is surely coincidental May 02 20:17:31 * koen tries to recall the ground rules of ME May 02 20:17:40 you can't push on a rope, unless it's frozen May 02 20:17:49 when in doubt make it stout out of things you know about May 02 20:17:54 and a third one May 02 20:18:04 Crofton|work will know it May 02 20:18:25 anyway, afk now May 02 20:18:47 o/ koen May 02 20:20:52 This GSOC mentor Terms of Service is insane May 02 20:21:34 alan_o, just scroll to the bottom and press *accept* May 02 20:23:34 what makes it insane? May 02 20:24:00 I love how the birthdate field calendar widget has a shortcut button for "today" May 02 20:24:40 mrpackethead: It's a lot of "legal obligation" for a volunteer May 02 20:24:42 alan_o, They do not want to descriminate. May 02 20:24:52 ahh May 02 20:25:05 legal obligation? For what? May 02 20:25:23 I'm apparently legally obligated to provide ideas and feedback and etc etc... May 02 20:25:28 so they could sue me I guess. May 02 20:26:08 Well, if you are my mentor, I promise I wont be demanding. May 02 20:26:13 hehe May 02 20:26:51 alan_o, Seriously, I have been doing an MPhil for the last two years and I am not sure my director of studies even knows what I am doing here. May 02 20:31:31 * mranostay av500 dances in May 02 20:33:47 hey guys, i'm interested in some of of the gsoc projects May 02 20:33:53 how many ticks does lbbo take for pru data ram? May 02 20:34:00 anybody care to guide me? May 02 20:34:47 jkridner|work:ping May 02 20:35:07 <_av500_> alan_o: we got a GSOC for you to mentor May 02 20:35:07 so we vote on the propsals using Melange right? May 02 20:35:08 to be more specific, I find the two android related projects and the sysfs one interesting May 02 20:35:34 should alan_o be a student? :) May 02 20:35:48 mranostay: the money is certainly better that way :) May 02 20:36:10 $5000 for 3 months of work? May 02 20:36:32 as opposed to $0 for 3 months of work as a hobbyist OSS hacker. May 02 20:36:45 alan_o, Dont do it... then I will only be down to 3 co-mentors. May 02 20:36:56 yes but know does hobbyist hacking as a full tiem job May 02 20:37:03 <_av500_> alan_o: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/praveenkumarvangala/1 May 02 20:37:09 <_av500_> a gun fire detector May 02 20:37:13 mirceag, ask specific questions May 02 20:37:18 mranostay, did you think anything of my proposal? May 02 20:37:45 tsquar3d: I'm not complaining... just bantering with mranostay (I can't let him be right....) anyway, I did register as a mentor, so I'm not sure if you can or are supposed to look me up through that system or what. May 02 20:38:07 alan_o: you are always wrong anyway May 02 20:38:11 alan_o, was kidding. lol May 02 20:38:31 well, my first ideea was to do some work related to socketcan May 02 20:38:46 _av500_: why does he mention EM waves? do bullets make em?! May 02 20:38:48 do you know something about it? May 02 20:38:52 panto: how are those export controlled low-pan modules? :) May 02 20:39:00 _av500_: death by powerpoint? May 02 20:39:00 alan_o, it does not let you list mentors in the application. May 02 20:39:04 <_av500_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: what do I know May 02 20:39:12 <_av500_> alan_o: read on May 02 20:39:18 <_av500_> its two projects in one May 02 20:39:37 _av500_: I know :) May 02 20:39:39 <_av500_> I like the exact schedule best May 02 20:41:09 is this a real thing? May 02 20:41:25 EMP from a handgun recoil? May 02 20:41:37 detectable as a handgun recoil? May 02 20:42:06 <_av500_> alan_o: what do I know May 02 20:42:28 every gunfire detection system i've heard about uses sound. :-\ May 02 20:42:30 <_av500_> I guess it means TV reception is pretty bad in downtown LA May 02 20:42:40 <_av500_> with all the shooting going on May 02 20:42:56 _av500_, the multipath is HORRIBLE.... May 02 20:42:59 That's why we use interlaced in the US. May 02 20:43:00 all the buildings May 02 20:43:09 <_av500_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: sound or acceleromenters May 02 20:43:09 heh May 02 20:43:16 <_av500_> -n May 02 20:43:30 I like romentors... May 02 20:43:44 <_av500_> tormentors May 02 20:43:48 <_av500_> and trollmentos May 02 20:44:02 _av500_, sssh...you will scare the Students... May 02 20:44:11 <_av500_> part of my plan May 02 20:44:21 <_av500_> then I can enroll my kids in gsoc and earn all the moneys May 02 20:45:05 3. profit!! May 02 20:45:06 can I enroll my 11yr old...he knows JS and Nodey things... May 02 20:45:25 he'll compete with jkridner for the gsoc monies!! May 02 20:45:47 so lots of guns in LA means they have a secreat communications system going on? May 02 20:46:04 -a May 02 20:46:11 djlewis: morse over gunfire? May 02 20:46:12 <_av500_> yes May 02 20:46:16 djlewis, updated smoke signals... May 02 20:46:20 <_av500_> 3 long shots, 3 short ones May 02 20:46:40 then you have to go and pick up your arrows May 02 20:46:42 we will have to keep the big magazines then May 02 20:46:46 longer messages May 02 20:46:59 <_av500_> djlewis: learn to say it in 140 shots May 02 20:47:18 we digress... May 02 20:47:18 alan_o, So... yeah... there doesnt seem to be a way to identify mentors... I suppose I could just put it in my application. May 02 20:47:21 never leave a chamber empty May 02 20:47:31 pad with zeroes May 02 20:47:34 djlewis, thats the motto of the LAPD May 02 20:47:39 <_av500_> alan_o: blanks May 02 20:48:08 one needs a shot for onesself for when the zombies come in force May 02 20:48:37 tsquar3d: beats me May 02 20:49:03 <_av500_> tsquar3d: as a student you cannot assign a mentor in melange May 02 20:49:14 <_av500_> mentors can click "i want to mentor" May 02 20:49:23 Aha... I see. May 02 20:49:24 <_av500_> so you are back to beggin' and bribin' May 02 20:49:46 _av500_, Me? Nope. Got it all lined up I think. May 02 20:49:57 <_av500_> good May 02 20:50:19 alan_o, So... there is that, I suppose! May 02 20:50:26 How many students participate in Gsoc? May 02 20:50:31 <_av500_> in total? May 02 20:50:34 <_av500_> google it May 02 20:50:38 <_av500_> its all public May 02 20:50:43 lol... good answer May 02 20:51:39 1212 students last year (I assume one student per project).. May 02 20:52:33 _av500_, I wish I had money for bribes. May 02 20:53:14 tsquar3d, we do too :P May 02 20:53:28 Why.. are you all for sale? May 02 20:53:53 lol May 02 20:53:55 we run specials throu the week May 02 20:54:04 ugh, why aren't there instruction cycle numbers for lbbo and sbbo in the pru documentation? May 02 20:54:29 <_av500_> ptan: no May 02 20:54:35 <_av500_> well, yes May 02 20:54:43 <_av500_> on per project, several per org May 02 20:55:09 gn May 02 20:55:13 2 for 1? May 02 20:55:16 one per project, Wikipedia stated that there were 1212 accepted projects in 2012 May 02 20:55:25 Can I buy you all in bulk? May 02 20:55:44 tsquar3d: no bulk discount though ;) May 02 20:56:00 What?! What is the point? May 02 20:57:34 send good beer, the prices become negotiable May 02 20:59:28 PRU_EVTOUT_2, isn't everything 1 cycle? May 02 21:05:05 Whew... so it looks like we have to wait until may 24 to know which applications are chosen. May 02 21:07:05 tsquar3d: everyone is for sale May 02 21:07:12 price range varies May 02 21:07:30 mranostay: so in #beagle who would you pay the most for? May 02 21:07:47 ka6sox: damn jkridner|work for forgeting the PST people :) May 02 21:08:13 I would pay the most for jkridner. May 02 21:08:21 ... of course. May 02 21:08:28 how did we get greg k-h in our group? May 02 21:08:48 tsquar3d: that is only legal in Nevada May 02 21:08:59 <_av500_> group? May 02 21:09:17 Well, the UK is outside of federal jurisdiction... so there. May 02 21:09:46 _av500_: g+ trolling 'community' May 02 21:09:49 <_av500_> ah May 02 21:09:53 <_av500_> but that was long ago May 02 21:09:57 mranostay: I guess someone let him in to troll the rest of us May 02 21:11:43 yeah, we can't have all the trolling going in the same direction. May 02 21:16:19 <_av500_> you want reverse trolling? May 02 21:23:28 mranostay, what time is it going to be 5am again? May 02 21:23:29 how do you load a module on boot? May 02 21:24:21 ka6sox: when will then be now? May 02 21:25:14 er...um.... May 02 21:25:39 anyone know how, or can direct me how to on a beagle bone? May 02 21:26:25 ka6sox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeZ9HhHU86o May 02 21:28:23 g'night all May 02 21:29:33 night May 02 21:32:08 knight May 02 21:33:51 as darkness slowly creeps across the Atlantic, so goes the days of our lives. . . May 02 21:37:32 djlewis, they haven't seen American Soap Operas much I suspect... May 02 21:37:55 alan_o, I forgot about that one. May 02 21:37:58 they are so fortunate then May 02 21:40:01 the fact that you can quote it so well is semi-disturbing.... May 02 21:40:02 :) May 02 21:40:37 mranostay, any reason to believe that when the JTAG cape is installed we will also have the LCD one installed? May 02 21:41:33 ka6sox: i worked on tv's for many years, many years ago.. May 02 21:42:03 so you can read backwards too? May 02 21:42:09 yep May 02 21:42:15 and upside down May 02 21:42:27 and on the side (well consoles you couldnt') May 02 21:46:43 are there any FPGA or CPLD Capes that are actually finished May 02 21:46:47 and are not just vaporware May 02 21:58:45 ka6sox: well it isn't a option to have both :) May 02 21:59:44 mrpackethead: Is the Logi-Bone vaporware? May 02 22:00:23 yes. May 02 22:00:33 mranostay: you got a FPGA cape? May 02 22:00:36 oh, that's too bad. The Pix looked nice. May 02 22:00:59 Also, I found an open source Xilinx Spartan6 toolchain recently and I was hoping to find an affordable dev board. May 02 22:01:23 mrpackethead: no May 02 22:01:33 shapr, toolchain? where? May 02 22:01:38 * mranostay notes his TI prize cheque is here May 02 22:01:54 cool. what are you going to do with *all* that money May 02 22:01:57 Russ: https://github.com/Wolfgang-Spraul/fpgatools May 02 22:02:16 mrpackethead, there are FPGA capes available :) May 02 22:02:26 can you suggest one? May 02 22:02:32 only supports lx9, bummer May 02 22:02:33 google revealed lots of them May 02 22:02:33 yes, the BCC May 02 22:02:42 but coud'tn seem to find any that you could buy May 02 22:02:48 BCC? May 02 22:02:59 emeb, can you take over :) May 02 22:03:17 mrpackethead: beer probably May 02 22:03:38 mranostay, okay thanks May 02 22:03:42 ka6sox: talking about BCC? May 02 22:03:50 emeb, yes May 02 22:03:50 Russ: There's a matching pdf: http://lekernel.net/fpga_toolchain_talk.pdf May 02 22:03:55 Can't buy 'em yet. May 02 22:03:59 okay May 02 22:04:04 :/ May 02 22:04:04 Unless someone wants to build them... May 02 22:04:37 right. May 02 22:04:43 Weren't there a couple FPGA capes that won the contest? May 02 22:04:56 i thinks its time for me to build some. May 02 22:05:08 I submitted a "shovel ready" design but it didn't pass muster. May 02 22:05:38 mrpackethead: If you want gerbers to build a BCC just let me know. May 02 22:05:51 http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc/index.html May 02 22:06:28 or make your own with gEDA/PCB from the design files here: https://github.com/emeb/bcc_hardware May 02 22:09:22 gerbers would be awesome May 02 22:09:32 i'll get some made up May 02 22:09:39 the build does'nt look very hard May 02 22:09:48 It's pretty easy. May 02 22:10:06 can hand-solder everything, or reflow if that's your preference. May 02 22:10:07 thats a 100 pin TQFP? May 02 22:10:11 yes May 02 22:10:19 probably woudl reflow it May 02 22:10:21 just because its easy May 02 22:10:34 whatevs. I drag soldered the big parts. May 02 22:10:42 but can hand solder a TQFP without too much problem either May 02 22:10:51 it's not bad with plenty of flux May 02 22:11:02 emed, is this your design? May 02 22:11:10 mrpackethead: yes it is. May 02 22:11:13 ahh. May 02 22:11:14 cool. May 02 22:11:33 what are the design files done in? May 02 22:11:34 got two of 'em built up here. IIRC ka6sox has one as well. May 02 22:11:55 the schematic & layout are done with FOSS gEDA/PCB tools. May 02 22:12:04 http://www.gpleda.org/ May 02 22:20:06 I have one May 02 22:24:05 did you run the pcbs? May 02 22:25:05 thanks embed May 02 22:25:12 I'll get all the stuff together May 02 22:25:25 i dont' use geda May 02 22:29:25 I got the PCBs fabbed at OSHpark. 4 layer process - costs ~$25 ea ($75 for 3) May 02 22:33:23 any body interested in getting some? May 02 22:33:39 i'll get them made in Maylaisa May 02 22:33:47 we hav a company we use all the time May 02 22:33:52 they do me pretty good deals on protos May 02 22:40:11 http://www.elecrow.com/services-c-73/fusion-pcb-service-c-73_116/4-layer-10-10cm-max-10pcs-p-365.html May 02 22:40:46 a good deal and the 2 sided are 10 5cmx5cm for 10 bux May 02 22:40:56 really good prices May 02 22:41:48 gn May 02 22:44:35 so $100 for the order of 10 May 02 22:44:57 here's the gerbers for the BCC: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc/bcc_gerbers.zip May 02 22:45:08 (just put 'em up on the BCC web page) May 02 22:45:09 5cmx5cm is about 4sqin May 02 22:45:18 so oshpark, you'd get 3 for $20 May 02 22:45:22 oshpark is still cheaper May 02 22:45:23 no May 02 22:45:27 3 for $75 May 02 22:45:32 $25/ea May 02 22:45:35 he mentioned 2 layer May 02 22:45:48 the BCC board is 4l May 02 22:46:24 ok, so 5cmx5cm (4sqin) 4 layer at $450 for 10 May 02 22:46:41 wow - OSHpark is cheaper than that. May 02 22:47:10 oshpark for 3 4sqin 4layer would be $60 May 02 22:47:14 and you get enig May 02 22:48:12 emeb: you tried seed? May 02 22:48:24 ds2: nope, never tried seeed. May 02 22:49:52 where do i get a video cable? cant find accessories. probably my stupidity May 02 22:50:00 <_av500_> ? May 02 22:50:05 <_av500_> hdmi cable? May 02 22:50:11 <_av500_> anywhere May 02 22:50:12 ya, tks May 02 22:50:19 mini hdmi? May 02 22:50:22 <_av500_> google? May 02 22:50:54 ok May 02 22:50:56 chupacabra, monoprice May 02 22:53:12 cool cheap May 02 22:53:16 ds2: looking @ seeed pricing - the bcc board would fit into their 10cm x 10cm 4l pricing - $69.90/5. A bit cheaper than OSHpark. May 02 22:53:57 I think the $69.90 is per unit May 02 22:54:05 minimum 10 May 02 22:54:13 er, wait, seed May 02 22:54:15 sorry May 02 22:54:48 emeb: they look cheap, just donno how reliable are their boards May 02 22:55:22 ds2: yeah - no experience with that aspect. May 02 22:55:39 I don't know if they fpga board would pass drc with a min inner trace/space of 8 mil May 02 22:56:20 and does it have any vias under 12 mil? May 02 22:56:30 oh - seeed isn't 6/6? May 02 22:56:36 just on the outer layers May 02 22:56:48 hmm... May 02 22:57:45 inner layers should be fine with coarser rules. May 02 22:57:48 noe May 02 22:57:49 no routing on those. May 02 22:57:56 from what I can tell, they keep horrible tolerances May 02 22:57:56 ya, but you still have via anti-pads May 02 22:58:14 but there's plenty of clearance on those. May 02 22:59:24 looks like 10mil clearance from vias to surrounding planes. May 02 22:59:42 that's from the layout standpoint May 02 22:59:56 from a process quality standpoint, it tells me their alignment tolerances are very sloppy May 02 23:01:31 OTH, they can be a cheap 2L fab May 02 23:02:34 http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/boards.jpg May 02 23:02:38 yikes May 02 23:03:01 whats the dimension of the bcc? May 02 23:04:02 back! May 02 23:04:35 Russ: nothing too unexpected May 02 23:04:43 ds2: !!!! May 02 23:04:53 mranostay: eh? May 02 23:04:59 2x 3 give or take May 02 23:05:10 guess sdkie dropped out May 02 23:05:18 ka6sox: @#$@# the default message being private May 02 23:05:20 mrpackethead: same as beaglebone. May 02 23:05:29 so yeah - about 2x3 May 02 23:06:23 24.37 each May 02 23:06:30 thats ENIG May 02 23:06:32 Did I just brick my Beaglebone Black? I tried an xz update to the onboard SD and it terminated. I can't get it to recognize as a drive to try again. Any ideas? May 02 23:06:35 and tested May 02 23:06:54 <_av500_> oh, somebody wants to make the BBB into a computer for kids May 02 23:07:00 <_av500_> where did I hear that before May 02 23:07:14 educaton May 02 23:07:18 put them into schools May 02 23:07:20 spoon: you can't really do that while you are running off of the eMMC. You can always recover using the steps at http://beagleboard.org/Getting+Started May 02 23:07:20 :-) May 02 23:07:55 _av500_: only thing that stops doing this with a BBB, is that the BBB is documented May 02 23:09:21 jrridder: it's no longer recognizing it as a Beaglebone, when I plug it in I get a message asking me to configure the network conection for an "AM335x USB" device. May 02 23:09:46 jkridner|work: is 'WTF' an acceptable comment? May 02 23:10:01 hehe, in polite terms. :-) May 02 23:10:29 I know. I'm an idiot. May 02 23:10:42 some of them are really taxing on the patience side May 02 23:10:54 spoon: yeah, sounds like to left the eMMC in a bad state. You'll need to create a uSD card with an eMMC flasher image. May 02 23:13:31 lets see. May 02 23:13:35 am I here? May 02 23:14:07 No. May 02 23:14:16 jkridner: Ok. I'll give that a go. Am I right in that a flasher image should recover the eMMC? May 02 23:14:39 *a flasher image when booting from an external SD May 02 23:15:57 <_av500_> night May 02 23:25:33 ka6sox: is it hot in SoCal? May 02 23:25:55 above normal up here i think May 02 23:27:06 yes, pretty hot..and apparently windy in the foothills May 02 23:27:29 one of my Mountaintops is threatened pretty bad...but I have 100m of clearance done around it. May 02 23:27:45 * vvu|Mobile wishes good night to the beagle ppl! May 02 23:27:53 nite vvu|Mobile May 02 23:28:41 "your" mountaintop? :D May 02 23:29:25 and "one of" May 02 23:32:06 * mranostay drinks some TI paid for beer May 02 23:33:54 and there it went...buh bye!..."Job Security" May 02 23:34:11 ka6sox: what is job security? May 02 23:34:29 mranostay, a figement of our Imagination... May 02 23:34:38 -e May 02 23:35:09 * mranostay hurls a Newcastle at mru May 02 23:35:49 mranostay: boring beer May 02 23:36:07 boo May 02 23:36:19 it is hot here nice and refreshing May 02 23:37:03 <_av500_> newca brown May 02 23:37:06 <_av500_> gee May 02 23:37:20 _av500_: bite me May 02 23:38:10 <_av500_> I need to hit you anyway May 02 23:41:28 _av500_: can we hug and make up? May 03 00:10:56 ok, i'm bad May 03 00:10:58 back. May 03 00:14:44 russ 10 bux for the whole order plus shipping May 03 00:15:06 did you look at the web page for them bcb's? May 03 00:15:11 pcb's May 03 00:17:09 mrpackethead, you were right the first time :0 May 03 00:17:25 i was right about what? May 03 00:17:35 maybe he just meant he has a bad back May 03 00:17:37 that will be the first time in 200 years. May 03 00:17:39 evilwulfie, $10 for 10 boards? May 03 00:19:31 ka6sox: what was a right about May 03 00:20:01 you were bad :) May 03 00:20:02 hmm..its actually $10 for 5 May 03 00:20:10 oh. May 03 00:20:18 j/k May 03 00:22:09 fwiw, Seeed isn't too bad, had good luck with them but I haven't done anything too fine/crazy. did have a board pretty packed with vias at points (2L) but I maintained conservative clearances in my DRC May 03 00:22:15 too bad about the specs though May 03 00:22:27 elecrow is similar to Seeed but definitely off on quality, the drill holes always seem to be consistently shifted a slight bit May 03 00:22:54 i use custompcb / silvercircuits in Malaysia May 03 00:23:03 they have consistently done a good job for us May 03 00:23:13 not the cheapest May 03 00:23:19 but their work is solid May 03 00:23:26 got a rough price/board size idea? May 03 00:24:34 ah they got an easy quote thing on there, not too bad May 03 00:24:46 minimum 100sqin run needed May 03 00:24:49 www.custompcb.com May 03 00:25:08 they ahve saved me a few times May 03 00:25:14 they actualy check gerbers properly May 03 00:25:20 and if yuo ahve done some thign odd / stupid May 03 00:25:23 they ofetn pick it up May 03 00:25:34 nice May 03 00:25:57 do they panelize for you like the other services or do you need to send them a big panel? May 03 00:26:07 they will panelise May 03 00:26:16 cool May 03 00:26:22 oh, you mean, run multiple boards May 03 00:26:23 ? May 03 00:26:28 differnet designs? May 03 00:26:32 oh, nah May 03 00:26:35 just single design May 03 00:26:39 yup. May 03 00:26:52 I see they can do panelizing of very small boards, guess that means doing the v-scoring et al inside your design May 03 00:26:55 for a fee May 03 00:26:56 though, i send them panelised gerbers May 03 00:27:17 becuase i want control of the design end to end. May 03 00:27:28 I haven't yet had a good reason to deviate from oshpark & seeed/elecrow but good to know other suppliers when I do :) May 03 00:27:48 means, i can create stencils May 03 00:27:48 does custompcb have better specs than what are listed on the front page? May 03 00:27:50 7mil? May 03 00:27:57 yup, i've done 5/5 May 03 00:28:01 mranostay, ping? May 03 00:28:11 Evening May 03 00:28:16 how can you tell how much that would cost? May 03 00:28:30 stepawayfromtheg, for some ;) May 03 00:28:45 send them an email with your gerbers May 03 00:28:49 they'll come back pretty quickly. May 03 00:28:57 sales@custompcb May 03 00:29:01 Hey ka6sox, i know you from linkstation May 03 00:29:04 i dpont' use the web ui thing May 03 00:29:07 hmm...so no information on the webpage on how much custom spec would cost May 03 00:29:29 Loooong time ago May 03 00:29:30 and the times i have used it May 03 00:29:38 for just getting a indication May 03 00:29:48 iv'e alwyas had better pricing when i get them to quote it May 03 00:29:49 by email May 03 00:29:56 hang on i'll ask gary May 03 00:29:58 hes on skype May 03 00:30:10 russ yes May 03 00:30:19 5cmx5cm 10 for 10 bux May 03 00:30:25 real good boards too May 03 00:30:34 It shows 5 for $10, getting 10 is extra May 03 00:30:50 that is for the 5x10cm May 03 00:30:53 er, no it just weighs more May 03 00:31:13 well i have used them for a lot of boards and they are always good May 03 00:31:26 mranostay, do you concur that P9_41 is PRU0 r3{0,1}[6]? May 03 00:31:30 Russ: yeah just weights more May 03 00:31:32 weighs* May 03 00:31:35 hiya kuroguy! May 03 00:31:44 I'll just jump in.... anybody point me in the direction for getting iis out of the bbb? May 03 00:31:46 those services like seeed and elecrow have always maintained a $10 for 10 price point May 03 00:31:59 you mean i2s? May 03 00:32:02 kuroguy: IIS, like the MS server? May 03 00:32:08 the "5" option is very new, probably for those who want to pinch a couple pennies and don't want too many junk prototypes hanging around May 03 00:32:10 Yup,i2s May 03 00:32:22 if its not there now wait a week and it will be ther :) May 03 00:32:25 kuroguy: That is not going to work, unless you get Windows RT, and even then...dubioius. May 03 00:32:30 its in the next release. May 03 00:32:32 Oh. May 03 00:32:35 I have some junk boards like that hanging around lol May 03 00:32:40 Inter integrated chip sound May 03 00:32:49 if you want cheap and cheerful, GoldenPhoenixPCB is not too bad May 03 00:32:56 but not nearly as agood as CustomPCB May 03 00:33:06 kuroguy, it should be coming out the microHDMI connector. May 03 00:33:10 I always get my manufactured boards E tested as well May 03 00:33:24 so, they are known to be free from defect before they leave May 03 00:33:38 its a cool machine, has all these flying probes May 03 00:33:41 Hdmi requires decoding to get audio, i believe. May 03 00:34:19 my ofice admin lady has just bought my Dog a staff ID card May 03 00:34:20 :-) May 03 00:34:39 nice goldenphoenix has a lot of options May 03 00:34:49 I hear it is available on McASP on the headers but i'm not sure how to access it in linux May 03 00:34:54 yeah, but they will make *exactly* what you send them, mistakes and all May 03 00:35:34 its gold phoenix as well May 03 00:35:36 not golden May 03 00:36:04 ah yes May 03 00:36:24 probably good for a production run May 03 00:36:53 mranostay, I need to put your gist on elinux.org...as it is the *only* i/o docs for the PRUs May 03 00:39:26 kuroguy, do you have a BBB? May 03 00:39:39 Ordered it today May 03 00:39:44 if so audio is on axr2 May 03 00:40:03 actually they name it something different May 03 00:40:09 (just to make it confusing) May 03 00:40:32 What kind of audio? Digital? May 03 00:40:45 yes May 03 00:40:52 its all i2s with that. May 03 00:41:07 there is a "cape" that has it broken out May 03 00:41:09 Cool, that'll feed to my DAC. May 03 00:41:32 iirc you need the DVI+audio cape information May 03 00:41:44 that tells you which pins are audio May 03 00:42:07 Does it require a cape or can i just connect to the headers? May 03 00:42:20 thats a good question... May 03 00:42:28 probably doesn't need a cape... May 03 00:42:48 but hopefully shortly it will be on the HDMI connector :) May 03 00:43:27 Problem with hdmi is the data requires extra hardware to extract audio in any form May 03 00:43:33 if your audio DAC isn't part of a cape then the default config will send i2s out the pin. May 03 00:43:38 pins May 03 00:43:44 Perfect May 03 00:44:13 the best doco is that cape I just said...can't look now as I'm in a meeting. May 03 00:44:32 It's less expensive to scratch build a dac than purchase a cape May 03 00:44:50 I'll look it up. Thanks for the pointer May 03 00:44:53 you probally going to need to hack the sw or fake it with a EEPROM May 03 00:45:02 ds2, nope May 03 00:45:06 the bbb will just send it out May 03 00:45:16 its a "virtual cape" for onboard May 03 00:45:23 and if nothing is on capebus it defaults there. May 03 00:45:50 so HDMI video and Audio May 03 00:46:34 utilizes the NXP DRM driver. May 03 00:46:55 enseñen las tetas May 03 00:47:12 No habla espanol May 03 00:47:52 Well, just a bit May 03 00:48:30 ka6sox: BBB or BBW? May 03 00:48:47 BBB treats it like a "virtual cape" May 03 00:48:58 yes, no arguement there May 03 00:49:08 ah.. miss the BBB part May 03 00:49:19 too many B's floating around May 03 00:49:33 and DT sets the proper pins for i2s May 03 00:49:41 I figured for $45 i couldn't go wrong May 03 00:49:48 kuroguy, :) May 03 00:49:52 bblack question ...can it play youtube with audio in 720p without dropping frames using the min hdmi May 03 00:50:38 my laptop can't even do that :( May 03 00:50:55 same here...thats why i wanted to know haha May 03 00:51:00 desktopp: not too sure about the answer to that but from what everyone says this thing doesn't have a HW codec on the gpu, so probably not May 03 00:51:12 thanks May 03 00:51:14 and in its current firmware state the audio on hdmi doesn't work May 03 00:51:22 but that's getting fixed soon May 03 00:51:40 yeah saw something about that ...and saw a youtube vid so wasnt sure the answer May 03 00:51:48 does fixed mean licensed? May 03 00:51:57 PRU_EVTOUT_2, what do you mean? May 03 00:52:00 though I haven't done jack with my HDMI besides prove it works, maybe I'll experiment with that in a bit... May 03 00:52:28 most codecs are licenced May 03 00:52:52 that is NOT what we are talking about May 03 00:53:07 we are talking about audio stuffa. :) May 03 00:53:15 maybe you are. May 03 00:53:27 :P May 03 00:53:43 i don't have to be talking to anyone. May 03 00:53:44 I'll leave that one out then. May 03 00:56:13 quite May 03 00:58:46 Heh, downloaded the hardware reference. Should've done that first. May 03 01:01:45 Pins 17, 18, 19, 20 on P9 is i2s. May 03 01:01:47 kuroguy, thats okay...realize that is A4 and you will have an a5a board. May 03 01:01:59 so pull up the diffs first May 03 01:02:12 Downloaded the one under the a5 link. May 03 01:02:14 (I doubt that changed) May 03 01:02:21 ah, good May 03 01:02:44 * ka6sox goes back to designing... May 03 01:02:58 Rev. A5.3 May 03 01:03:43 kewl May 03 01:03:52 then you are good to go! May 03 01:04:49 if you want to build your own kernel its possible to do so from the patches @ https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel May 03 01:04:54 be sure to use the 3.8 branch May 03 01:05:31 and that possibly has the HDMI audio patchs in it. May 03 01:06:00 * ka6sox looks May 03 01:07:47 kuroguy, darren's patch is there and it should work with that May 03 01:07:54 3.8.11 May 03 01:08:21 Cool. His is gonna replace my kuro box May 03 01:09:19 its probably tired. May 03 01:09:47 kuroguy, I still have a SLUG in service...as a DNS server...for 7yrs :) May 03 01:10:03 Mmmmmmm SLUGs May 03 01:10:07 That thing won't die. Been running for like 8 years May 03 01:11:57 ka6sox: does your slug have the console brought out? May 03 01:12:00 3 of them May 03 01:12:17 russ, gary says he can do 6/6 on 1oz May 03 01:12:45 ds2, of course! May 03 01:12:52 even 6mil vias with 6mil annular rings? May 03 01:12:57 I have 2 more serving OWW May 03 01:13:04 :) May 03 01:13:11 ka6sox: are they the new ones with the clock doubling fixed? May 03 01:13:15 ka6sox: 7 years isn't that much May 03 01:13:23 I have several machines older than that May 03 01:13:36 It is if you live in tampa May 03 01:13:37 mru, I have a Via Eden that is going on 11yrs May 03 01:14:00 ka6sox: is that the $5 tigerdirect board? May 03 01:14:08 its a kiosk in monterey May 03 01:14:23 its an X86 clone made by Via May 03 01:14:34 aka Cyrix May 03 01:14:44 i know what it is...around that time frame, tigerdirect sold one of those MB's for $5 May 03 01:14:50 including CPU soldered on May 03 01:14:52 I have a dec alpha from ~1997 May 03 01:15:10 still works flawlessly May 03 01:15:33 * ka6sox fires up his Apple ][ :)...this does too but its hard to find 5.25" floppies... May 03 01:16:22 * kuroguy fires up he trs-80 model 1 May 03 01:16:38 summer of 2002 I worked in a place where a test rig was controlled by an ancient pc/xt clone May 03 01:16:48 Still have casette tapes May 03 01:16:51 the program was stored on a 5.25" floppy May 03 01:16:52 kuroguy, I found a model 100 in my stuff the other day...put new batteries and it *still* works. May 03 01:17:02 written in some kind of basic May 03 01:17:09 mmmm....basic May 03 01:17:17 the test was over when it hit a read error on the floppy May 03 01:17:17 can you still reliably read the 5.25" floppies? May 03 01:17:33 ds2: I think I just answered that May 03 01:17:47 * kuroguy just built a stoplight controller for my son that was programmed in BASIC May 03 01:17:51 ds2, yes, but I need a way to put the data on a SD or CF. May 03 01:17:55 there was talk about the setup being replaced Real Soon Now (tm) May 03 01:18:04 ewww. May 03 01:18:09 mru: that doesn't mean it is still reliable May 03 01:18:18 one of the Neve consoles we had used 8" floppies May 03 01:18:20 ds2: quite the opposite May 03 01:18:25 for the automation... May 03 01:18:56 it "worked" for the 10 weeks or so I was there though May 03 01:21:57 for various values of "worked"? May 03 01:26:21 I don't know if it was supposed to do anything useful when it errored out May 03 01:26:27 nobody seemed to care May 03 01:27:05 all it did was put some photo flashes through a few thousand cycles to see if they burned up May 03 01:35:40 just got my beaglebone black May 03 01:35:56 no serial over usb this time which is a blessing and a curse :) May 03 01:36:28 bmercer: exactly. May 03 01:36:48 it is cheaper and lower power. May 03 01:36:49 everybody has a usb-rs232 converter and some level shifters lying around May 03 01:36:57 er, less expensive. :-) May 03 01:37:14 just need a soldering iron May 03 01:37:51 I have a few level shifters neatly mounted on pcbs with a dsub connector May 03 01:38:10 I've got an openbsd port that I am teseting May 03 01:38:17 and it actually lets you troubleshoot power problems May 03 01:38:17 jkridner|work, we have to BUY the spec for JTAG unless you want us to use unofficial sources. May 03 01:38:24 and I couldn't be bothered to go find my micro hdmi cable May 03 01:38:29 but who cares...just RMA the sucker if there are power problems, right? :D May 03 01:38:58 ka6sox: thought education people cna get the IEEE specs for free? May 03 01:39:07 yes May 03 01:39:09 they can May 03 01:39:38 if jkridner's client was in -gsoc he would have seen the answers to his questions :) May 03 01:39:42 I'm sure they're on some chinese or russian website May 03 01:39:53 hahahaha May 03 01:40:08 but if saw them, then probally the BBB wouldn't have gotten launched ;) May 03 01:40:11 right next to spruh73c May 03 01:40:40 personally I much rather SWD and SWV implemented then JTAG May 03 01:40:43 JTAG is so yesterday May 03 01:40:56 hack the parallel port wiggler code and remap them to GPIO May 03 01:40:57 ds2, walk before we run :P May 03 01:41:14 what's the challenge? May 03 01:42:20 its a POC May 03 01:42:33 after that then we can talk aobut SWV and SWD and SBW May 03 01:42:46 much rather see a POC for SWD May 03 01:43:10 there are very few unlocked SWD debuggers available May 03 01:43:32 and openocd has some level of support for SWD May 03 01:43:46 this isn't about fixing openOCD :) May 03 01:44:01 never suggested fixing openocd May 03 01:44:04 its about pushing performance envelopes :) May 03 01:44:17 what's that about walk before run? :P May 03 01:45:56 hehe May 03 02:03:55 * mranostay looks at the scoreboard May 03 02:09:48 mranostay: there's sports on? May 03 02:09:52 * alan_o checks the channels..... May 03 02:10:38 heh sort is incorrect on values in Melange May 03 02:11:44 bradfa: you sure your picture taking skills are up to par to be a metnor? May 03 02:21:40 this is feeling like hearing debates at election time May 03 02:21:41 Are the bonescript pin numbers given as silkscreen numbers somewhere? May 03 02:23:40 er? May 03 02:24:35 emeb_mac: FPGA! May 03 02:25:07 mranostay: meh pee gee ay! May 03 02:26:06 wierd May 03 02:26:10 just wierd May 03 02:31:27 ka6sox: so how many projects does each group get? May 03 02:31:29 one? May 03 02:32:24 mranostay, you ask for the number of slots that you have students *and* mentors for that everyone agrees are good ones. May 03 02:32:35 if you have 2 mentors and 1 student then its 1 slot May 03 02:32:42 and it goes from there. May 03 02:33:18 if you have 20 students and 20 mentors but only 2 good projects then its 2 projects May 03 02:33:32 but it can be fewer then that May 03 02:33:33 seems open for abuse or total cluster@#$#@ :) May 03 02:33:45 horse trade happens at the de-dup mtg May 03 02:33:51 ya May 03 02:34:13 the issue is when students "forum shop" to get the max results and it skews things May 03 02:34:24 it is also possible a student has multiple apps out May 03 02:34:25 hence the de-dup meetings May 03 02:34:31 GSoC can be abused, but it's in the interest of the community to NOT abuse it, since failed slots or crappy results lead to fewer slots the next time around May 03 02:34:46 agreed May 03 02:35:00 thats why its better to have 2 *good* projects than 10 lousy ones. May 03 02:35:01 I've been a mentor for haskell.org five or six times, and a student once last year :-) May 03 02:35:02 it has been abused May 03 02:35:08 cheating and other issues May 03 02:35:18 Yah, but google isn't stupid May 03 02:35:45 I'd rather get knocked out for having a marginal project for one that everyone agrees is a good one. May 03 02:36:27 just because we have 19-20 whatever submissions doesn't mean we will end up with 19 that pass muster. May 03 02:36:58 some are just thrown in and there is NO contact in IRC or anywhere else from the student. May 03 02:37:13 I hate those. May 03 02:37:35 Hey this is my first time on the IRC, are there any suggestions as to how I should go about asking for help? May 03 02:37:42 I prefer to pick motivated qualified students who are not yet tightly connected to the community, and then get them to have lots of contact via checkins May 03 02:37:48 don't ask to ask...just ASK :) May 03 02:37:57 MH: Generally, ask your question, and don't paste a bunch of lines of source or errors or anything. May 03 02:38:36 there are a few that are good proposals...but no contact or very limited May 03 02:38:45 GSoC needs both May 03 02:39:16 MH: Hi! Did you just purchase a BeagleBone Black? May 03 02:39:18 I've seen some of the students show up here but not say a word. May 03 02:39:24 ka6sox: Shy? or what? May 03 02:39:35 dunno...we don't bite (much) May 03 02:39:38 and at least one student with contact but no app May 03 02:39:54 right May 03 02:39:55 Haha, well okay. I've used the original BB with ubuntu 12.04 and it was great. I am having a really hard time getting my BB Black setup with ubuntu. When I put in the micro SD with ubuntu 12.04 that I get from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu it does not boot for me. May 03 02:40:28 have you pressed the little button? May 03 02:40:29 original BB and micro SD? you using an adapter? May 03 02:40:52 Ohhh n/m on hte BBB May 03 02:40:55 Hm, I want to try that myself, since the BBB setup is frustrating me. May 03 02:40:57 MH, on your BBB have you pushed the little button? May 03 02:40:59 I can vouch for ka6sox. He's been somewhat useful for years. May 03 02:41:22 I like "somewhat" :) May 03 02:41:25 I push the little button when I apply power, the getting started page says I may have to wait 30 minutes is that right?! May 03 02:41:33 Is it resizing the partition? May 03 02:41:39 * shapr decides to try May 03 02:41:40 whoa... May 03 02:42:08 okay well...I blew away the eMMC so thats probably where I would start if you are having boot issues. May 03 02:42:32 (especially if I wanted to use the SD May 03 02:42:34 ) May 03 02:42:53 (its not my answer...Gerald said it) May 03 02:42:58 If I use an image on an SD card, will it ignore the eMMC so I have a 'backup' install? May 03 02:43:01 MH: images there will not work on the Bone May 03 02:43:17 Well, i've only known him since somewhere around 2004 May 03 02:44:08 Thank you ds2! so where do I get images for my beaglebone? May 03 02:44:35 in c, i have two unsigned long variables with the same value. subtracting them is giving me 1. wtf. May 03 02:44:36 MH: not sure. I am not an ubuntu person. the kernels for the bone and the classic/xMs are different May 03 02:44:51 xM/classic can share a kernel May 03 02:45:11 looks like http://beagleboard.org/project/ubuntu/ May 03 02:45:31 which leads to http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ May 03 02:45:35 oh, bye mh! May 03 02:45:36 oh...it's not a 1, it's an L for long. May 03 02:45:39 oh hai MH! May 03 02:46:03 MH: http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black leads to http://beagleboard.org/project/ubuntu/ which leads to http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ May 03 02:46:17 But wait http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu has specif images for the bone. This is how I put ubuntu 12.004 on my white eagle bone rev A5 May 03 02:47:27 BBB kernels are supersets of BBW kernels, IIRC May 03 02:47:57 and subset of BBQ kernels May 03 02:48:02 * bradfa_ runs May 03 02:48:21 hehe May 03 02:48:25 bradfa+ you can't May 03 02:48:35 you can run but you can't hide May 03 02:49:03 don't worry, the smoke will slow ka6sox down May 03 02:49:37 okay so /index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ has the image for ubuntu 12.10. Yet 12.10 isn't an Ubuntu LTS and I would like to avoid it. Does anyone know where I can get ubuntu 12.04 image that is ready for the BBB May 03 02:50:02 [http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/]** May 03 02:51:37 another question. What OS does everyone prefer for BeagleBone Black? May 03 02:52:18 Linux May 03 02:52:37 haha sorry what distro? yes linux good choice May 03 02:53:40 Did I scare everyone away? It got quiet... May 03 02:54:38 MH it's quite late most places May 03 02:54:39 I prefer Debian on my desktop, laptop, VPS and Raspberry Pi. I haven't yet tried it on my BBB May 03 02:55:18 decent choices would be angstrom or debian/ubuntu (from rcn's netinstall) May 03 02:58:54 MH: What distro do you usually use? May 03 02:59:57 Ah easterners got it. Okay I like debian and ubuntu quite a bit. I use ubuntu for my programming so ubuntu just seems like a natural choice. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 03 02:59:58 2013