**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 03 02:59:58 2013
May 03 03:01:24 <MH> Does everyone use the Cloud9 IDE, as that is the reason I don't use angstrom.  I do not like the Cloud9 IDE that have integrated with it which is why I default to using another distro.
May 03 03:02:01 <shapr> I just got started with Cloud9 last night, it's not terrible.
May 03 03:02:14 <shapr> But emacs is my real IDE
May 03 03:02:38 <MH> Yea I agree, it is not terrible and yea emacs is my IDE as well, that or sublime text editor.
May 03 03:03:53 <shapr> I've never tried sublime, but I do like some of the features I see filtering in from that direction.
May 03 03:03:59 <MH> So just to confirm I got this right: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu can NOT be used for the beagle bone black?
May 03 03:04:04 <mdp> cloud9 is the official editor of beagle* emacs and vim are not supported
May 03 03:04:21 <jkridner|work> mdp: :-/
May 03 03:04:40 <shapr> You can have my emacs when you pry it from my cold RSI'd hands!
May 03 03:04:43 <mdp> jkridner|work: ok. I should :)
May 03 03:05:22 <prpplague> jkridner|work: there really seems to be a lot of interest in the userspace arduino stuff
May 03 03:06:23 <mdp> prpplague: huge mentor interest too
May 03 03:06:24 <shapr> MH: Have you downloaded the xz file yet?
May 03 03:07:10 <MH> shapr: which .xz file are you referring to the one from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu or the one from http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ ?
May 03 03:07:47 <prpplague> mdp: i guess GSoC works if we get critical mass on the dev for it
May 03 03:08:28 <mdp> individuals matter
May 03 03:08:35 <bradfa_> MH angstrom != cloud9
May 03 03:08:44 <MH> What is this I am hereing about GSoC
May 03 03:09:09 <bradfa_> MH, proposals close tomorrow (or today, depending on where you are)
May 03 03:10:37 <MH> bradfa: thanks, yea I know. I just feel like it is dirtied by having cloud9 and installed with it.  I also like using ubuntu as I have the same CLI commands avaialble for my desktop.  Such as everythig associated with the ubuntu software center.
May 03 03:10:50 <MH> Is there a GSoC for beaglebone?
May 03 03:11:09 <bradfa_> MH, lmgtfy
May 03 03:11:25 <prpplague> hehe
May 03 03:11:44 <jkridner|work> k, I'm headed to bed.  I have an early morning.
May 03 03:11:59 <jkridner|work> let me know in the morning if I must catch up on other mentor duties.
May 03 03:12:00 <bradfa_> https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/beagle
May 03 03:12:23 <bradfa_> nite nite
May 03 03:12:49 <prpplague> jkridner|work: aye aye captain
May 03 03:13:20 * prpplague waits for the captain to leave the room before telling everyone else the ship is sinking
May 03 03:13:39 * ds2 hands prpplague packs of chewing gum
May 03 03:14:00 <ka6sox> prpplague, abandon ship Exec?
May 03 03:15:10 <mranostay> prpplague: can we get drunk while the ship is going down?
May 03 03:15:26 <ka6sox> only if you sing "yo ho!"
May 03 03:15:37 <ds2> hih0hih0hih0
May 03 03:16:04 <ka6sox> um....wrong cartoon.
May 03 03:16:17 <mru> we know rats leave a sinking ship, and the captain stayss
May 03 03:16:18 <MH> Well this is a pleasant suprise.  Do we have mentors for the GSoC on this IRC?
May 03 03:16:22 <mru> but what do trolls do?
May 03 03:17:49 <mranostay> trololollololo
May 03 03:22:24 <MH> *ping
May 03 03:22:47 <prpplague> mdp: if/when you get time, join #userspace-arduino
May 03 03:22:58 <prpplague> mdp: that is where most of the discussion is going on
May 03 03:23:05 <prpplague> mdp: (a little slow right atm)
May 03 03:24:30 * mranostay prpplague's in
May 03 03:27:01 <prpplague> mranostay: ?
May 03 03:28:03 <ptan> anyone know how to install joe (wordstar like editor) onto the beaglebone black?
May 03 03:28:42 <ptan> (yeah, I know, I grew up with wordstar key diamond)
May 03 03:28:47 <mranostay> prpplague: just me being weird
May 03 03:29:07 <mranostay> ka6sox: so does the vote count actually matter? or does the admins have final say?
May 03 03:29:08 <mru> prpplague: nothing new
May 03 03:29:23 <mru> mranostay: you think votes _ever_ matter?
May 03 03:29:46 <ptan> opkg install joe gives me Unknow package 'joe'
May 03 03:29:57 <prpplague> ptan: wow there is an app name i haven't heard in a while: wordstar
May 03 03:30:04 <prpplague> mranostay: ahh
May 03 03:30:07 <mranostay> mru: touche
May 03 03:30:33 <ptan> yeah, I'm dating myself to programming since the 70's with cassette tapes and 8" floppies
May 03 03:30:46 <mranostay> dating yourself?
May 03 03:30:55 <mranostay> how does that work or do i want to know?
May 03 03:31:00 <ptan> lol...
May 03 03:31:11 <prpplague> mru: "nothing new" ? which conversation thread is that referring to?
May 03 03:31:16 <ptan> dating as in carbon dating ;o
May 03 03:31:34 <mru> mranostay: I thought with yourself you could get down to business straight away without going through that annoying dating ritual
May 03 03:32:15 <mranostay> that is true
May 03 03:32:40 <mranostay> ptan: probably me being weird
May 03 03:33:12 <prpplague> mru: greetings btw
May 03 03:37:48 <mranostay> prpplague: no greetings for the rest of us?
May 03 03:37:55 <ptan> yayyy... i2cset and i2cget works and talks to my cape!!!
May 03 03:37:56 <mranostay> i see how it it is  *sniff*
May 03 03:38:12 <mranostay> ptan: those are the voices not i2c
May 03 03:38:13 <ptan> now to actually get the rest of the cape working!
May 03 03:39:13 <ptan> mranostay: what, what, what? they are voices !??!  arrrrggghh!!!
May 03 03:39:32 <prpplague> mranostay: x86 folks don't warrant a greeting
May 03 03:40:16 <mranostay> prpplague: hey i'm unemployment atm thank you :P
May 03 03:41:20 <prpplague> mranostay: *cough* is that what a jedi says when he just hasn't taken his vows to become a Darth yet?
May 03 03:42:05 <MH> So does anyone have any guidance as to how to get debian or ubuntu on the BBB?  I have not any good links except for http://www.armhf.com/index.php/boards/beaglebone-black/ and I am really not looking for Ubuntu 12.10
May 03 03:45:10 <rushikesh988> hi
May 03 03:45:53 <rushikesh988> #beagle-gsoc
May 03 03:46:19 <ka6sox> boing
May 03 03:46:25 <emeb_mac> boing
May 03 03:46:47 <shapr> HOP
May 03 03:47:51 <mranostay> the booing
May 03 03:49:57 <m_billybob> MH - > https://www.youtube.com/user/DerekMolloyDCU
May 03 03:50:43 * m_billybob has been away working on or atleast :chearleading cr=ar repair
May 03 03:50:55 <m_billybob> car repair yeah um wow.
May 03 03:53:14 <MH> Billybob thanks for the link, yea I have gone through quite a few of those videos before.  My understanding is though that the beaglebone black needs different images than the white
May 03 03:53:36 <MH> so I don't think those videos would be of much use :/
May 03 04:00:32 <solrize> heyall is sgx530 programming documented anywhere accessible?  i looked all over...
May 03 04:01:12 <m_billybob> debian / ubuntu setup should be similar. but yes, i dont know. havent actually progressed that far. and tonight beer consumption . . .
May 03 04:01:57 <ds2> if you find docs, please post it!!!!
May 03 04:05:13 <MH> billybob:  mmm yes, that will make the progress a little slower.
May 03 04:18:36 <m_billybob> MH, anyhow tonight im useless but tomorrow perhaps i'll revisit some hackery. no promisses of course. but I too want a more minimalistic install
May 03 04:20:03 <m_billybob> personally, im more into a CLI only install. Not sure that what you, or anyone else is into.
May 03 04:21:36 <MH> for the bone I like to connect to the terminal via SSH commands and then connect to the bones directory using sftp.  That is all I need to really work on the bone.  Anything else is just overhead
May 03 04:22:50 <m_billybob> I feel pretty much the same. minimal debian netinstall with perhaps openssh-server
May 03 04:24:17 <m_billybob> still waiting on a sd card to arrive so a bit hmmm luft ? before i give it  aserious try
May 03 04:24:29 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: you know, walmart has them for like $6 :P
May 03 04:24:39 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> assuming you're in america.
May 03 04:24:53 <m_billybob> got a couple of 16 gigers arriving via ups
May 03 04:24:59 <m_billybob> and yes i am
May 03 04:25:40 <m_billybob> 1 out of 2 bbb's arrives broken. second one arrives non working via ssh
May 03 04:25:50 <m_billybob> arrived*
May 03 04:26:02 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> $12 at walmart. :P
May 03 04:26:24 <MH> oo what do you mean by broken, how so?
May 03 04:26:33 <m_billybob> 10 bux via newegg or some such reatiler and will be here in  afew working days
May 03 04:26:53 <m_billybob> MH. ssh not working period. html, or port 80 working fine.
May 03 04:27:02 <m_billybob> cant ssh in
May 03 04:27:17 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> your patience is much better than mine :)
May 03 04:27:34 <m_billybob> been waiting a few month for the bbb to get here . . .
May 03 04:28:43 <m_billybob> been playing with the msp430 launchpad, got a semi working project on that. but yeah anyhow . . . been a while since ive done any debian hackery on this level.
May 03 04:29:03 <m_billybob> couple year at least.
May 03 04:29:42 <MH> so I have been trying for several hours to connect my beaglebone black over serial
May 03 04:29:55 <m_billybob> ssh not working ?
May 03 04:30:12 <m_billybob> which host platform ?
May 03 04:30:17 <m_billybob> ( OS )
May 03 04:30:35 <MH> On the beaglebone white A5 I could connect to the beaglebone via: screen ttyUSBx 115200
May 03 04:31:02 <m_billybob> no hands on with the original personally.
May 03 04:31:05 <mru> there's no onboard usb-serial converter on the black
May 03 04:31:06 <MH> currently I am trying with the default angstrom the black comes with yet also trying to get ubuntu 12.04 on it
May 03 04:31:21 <mru> the console is on the header next to the expansion connector
May 03 04:31:38 <mru> it's a standard 3.3V serial port
May 03 04:31:39 <MH> thank you mru I guess that rules that out
May 03 04:31:41 <m_billybob> the 6 pin jtag ?
May 03 04:31:57 <m_billybob> im assuming it jtag anyhow
May 03 04:31:59 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L2w-XqW7bF4
May 03 04:32:15 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pretty rad "screen extension"
May 03 04:32:40 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> more details: http://www.gizmag.com/microsoft-illumiroom-augmented-reality/27358/
May 03 04:33:36 <MH> I guess I will try to see how SSH works connecting to the BBB.
May 03 04:34:12 <m_billybob> MH should be 192.168.7.2 after the drivers are installed
May 03 04:35:36 <m_billybob> afer that -> nano /etc/resolve.conf change nameserver to reflect your local gateway, assuming it knows your WAN DNS
May 03 04:36:16 <m_billybob> ifconfig should tell you all.
May 03 04:37:49 <m_billybob> ive sucessfully "net installed / upgraded" to 3.8.8 kernel
May 03 04:38:31 <MH> billybob i think I also need the default user name for ssh.  SSH USERNAME@192.168.7.2
May 03 04:38:34 <m_billybob> takes about an hour and a half
May 03 04:38:46 <MH> any idea on the username?
May 03 04:38:50 <m_billybob> i use putty for ssh client
May 03 04:39:02 <m_billybob> so yeah couldnt say for the web client
May 03 04:39:24 <m_billybob> root / root
May 03 04:39:35 <m_billybob> username / passwd
May 03 04:41:11 <m_billybob> blank passwd will work too, but it'll take a little bit while the bbb thinks
May 03 04:42:01 * m_billybob still missed APT
May 03 04:42:15 <m_billybob> misses too
May 03 04:43:02 <m_billybob> need to find a good tutorial for opkg, first time ive used it
May 03 04:43:32 <MH> that is another reason why I don't want to use angstrom...opkg
May 03 04:44:00 <MH> okay SSH is not working maybe I should try putty, I haven't used it before
May 03 04:44:47 <MH> I think I need to setup the bone to allow the remote access through SSH before I can connect to it
May 03 04:45:24 <m_billybob> are you on windows for the host ?
May 03 04:45:43 <MH> my host is Linux Mint 13
May 03 04:47:05 <m_billybob> instruction that comes with the bbb says plug in the bbb, when the device is recongnized by the OS ( in my case windows ) navigate to the mass storage device -> START.htm, and fro mthere the instruction walk you through what you need to do.
May 03 04:48:11 <m_billybob> after that it tells you the link for the USB -> TCP/IP drivers to install. Count say about how well this would work with mint though
May 03 04:48:25 <m_billybob> count == couldnt
May 03 04:49:00 <m_billybob> been meaning to install LMDE my self but havent gotten arond to it yet
May 03 04:49:04 <MH> I think the drivers might be ready to go, not sure.  I will have to look through the start.htm for a while.
May 03 04:50:17 <MH> drivers are good to go, just checked
May 03 04:50:53 <m_billybob> not meaning to dis Linux in the least, but for now, what I work with Windows seems to be the better platform for development compatability, granted ive just started with the bbb's
May 03 04:50:59 <evilwulfie> yeah or you can plug the BBB into the network and use a browser
May 03 04:51:42 <m_billybob> except resolv.conf nameserver out of the box is 127.0.0.1
May 03 04:52:01 <m_billybob> no idea how that works on a Linux network but on  primarily windows network that is fail
May 03 04:52:10 <evilwulfie> you dont get it if you use an ip address you dont use a name server
May 03 04:52:46 <m_billybob> except the bb has no ideahow to talk to computer systems on that network
May 03 04:52:57 <evilwulfie> ip to ip
May 03 04:53:02 <evilwulfie> works just fine
May 03 04:53:11 <m_billybob> nameserver == DNS and if DNS is localhost . . .
May 03 04:53:32 <evilwulfie> dns is not used with your not using a name
May 03 04:53:39 <MH> so I can pull up 192.168.7.2 and then pull up the cloud 9 ide which is good I guess
May 03 04:54:00 <m_billybob> MH is that works for you sure.
May 03 04:54:07 <m_billybob> if that works for you.
May 03 04:55:51 <MH> I guess that means the board is working okay, but I really want to get the ssh connection figured out, and then eventually get a new distro on the board
May 03 04:56:19 <m_billybob> im not sure which ssh clients are availibe with mint
May 03 04:56:32 <m_billybob> im thinking at minimum openssh ?
May 03 04:56:39 <m_billybob> no idea honestly
May 03 04:57:09 <m_billybob> one windows with putty though i just ssh'd into 192.168.7.2 and viola
May 03 04:57:15 <m_billybob> on windows*
May 03 04:57:43 <MH> did you have to change anything on the bone first? I know you mentioned something about one of the .conf files
May 03 04:58:03 <m_billybob> root@beaglebone:~# uname -msr
May 03 04:58:04 <m_billybob> Linux 3.8.8 armv7l
May 03 04:59:01 <m_billybob> MH nothing. i just installed the x64 driver, followed imediately by ifconfig and all was good
May 03 04:59:23 <m_billybob> ifconfig was just to check what i'll call eth0
May 03 05:00:41 <m_billybob> im not too familiar with angstrom, it lists no eth device # for the different ethernet connections
May 03 05:00:43 <MH> so ifconfig in the cloud9 ide doesn't pull up anything
May 03 05:00:56 <m_billybob> i did that from ssh
May 03 05:01:37 <MH> after you ssh'ed to 192.168.7.2?
May 03 05:02:54 <m_billybob> so from the top -> installed drivers -> ssh'd in -> root / root for user / passwd -> nano /etc/resolv.conf -> change 127.0.0.1 to my local network gate IP . . .viola, ssh'd in via it's IP{
May 03 05:03:54 <m_billybob> MH yes, exactly
May 03 05:05:53 <m_billybob> once you ssh in via 192.168.7.2, edit resolv.conf to reflect your local IP for your gateway to the internet, run ifconfig, to get its local IP, then ssh into that IP
May 03 05:06:35 <rt988> anny gsoc mentors around
May 03 05:06:58 <m_billybob> you need of course a local router for that to work if thatsnot clear.
May 03 05:07:58 <MH> when you ssh into 192.168.7.2 using putty for the first time can you explain what you do.  I have putty pulled up right now I get "connection refused" for 192.168.7.2
May 03 05:09:14 <m_billybob> i just pointed putty at the IP -> 192.168.7.2 -> putty then asks for a username, folow by passwd. both are "root" withoutthe quotes
May 03 05:10:16 <m_billybob> protocol "ssh" port 22
May 03 05:10:31 <MH> okay so is that with ethernet connection to a local wireles router?  or do you have direct ethernet connection to pc? or just usb?
May 03 05:11:22 <m_billybob> im sure you can use direct connection, butnot exactly 100% sure how thats done. you would need a DHCP server runing me thinks
May 03 05:11:30 <m_billybob> not exactly a network expert here .  ..
May 03 05:13:10 <Guest83120> Hello.. is it possible run opencv libraries without a "GUI cape" in ubuntu using beagleboard?
May 03 05:13:33 <MH> Guest83120 yes I do think so
May 03 05:13:58 <MH> Guest83120 do you mean beagleboard or bone?
May 03 05:14:29 <Guest83120> beagleboard-xm
May 03 05:15:33 <MH> Guest83120 yes, I can't think of any reason why you would need a gui cape
May 03 05:16:58 <m_billybob> MH, either way to do what ive done, you would need a system on the network acting as a DHCP server, and internt connection sharing known as ICS on windows. DHCP server may be omitted if you "hard coded" IPs. been a while since ive done that in linux, dont remember how, but im possitive it is possible.
May 03 05:18:05 <m_billybob> both the bb and host computer would have to be on the same subnet
May 03 05:19:30 <Guest83120> I  have tested a program but i get  the message "cannot open display".
May 03 05:20:20 <optimus> hello everyone!
May 03 05:20:34 <mranostay> oh god
May 03 05:20:46 * mranostay looks for a beer
May 03 05:20:52 <optimus> has anyone gotten the new beaglebone black?
May 03 05:20:56 * m_billybob has had 5 already
May 03 05:21:03 <MH> si
May 03 05:21:06 <m_billybob> and im a lightweight
May 03 05:21:23 * mranostay finds said beer
May 03 05:21:36 * m_billybob needs water now
May 03 05:21:48 <solrize> i think mine has arrived but i haven't opened it yet
May 03 05:21:55 <solrize> i got the shipping notice a couple days ago
May 03 05:21:56 <optimus> i haven't had any luck with making the cloud9 IDE or the gateone ssh client work
May 03 05:22:23 <MH> i have cloud9 going but no ssh'ing
May 03 05:22:31 <solrize> digikey (where i ordered from) says 0 in stock
May 03 05:22:44 <m_billybob> seems to be a problem shared by a few optimus
May 03 05:22:48 <optimus> hello solrize! I got mine yesterday and couldn't wait to try it out!
May 03 05:23:00 <m_billybob> we got two here, one worked out of the box, the other didnt
May 03 05:24:10 <kaelin> So excited, just unboxed my new bb black this evening!
May 03 05:24:10 <optimus> MH, do you mean the SSH through the browser interface? I haven't had that work either, but I was able to ssh using Tera Term and edit files and even control LEDs
May 03 05:24:48 <optimus> m_billybob that does not sound good
May 03 05:25:17 <optimus> congratulations on your new BBB kaelin, let us know if it works...!
May 03 05:25:36 <MH> optimus I haven't had anyform of ssh working I am trying through the browswer now don't really have that all figured out
May 03 05:25:54 <m_billybob> optimus did you follow the instruction on the crd that shipped with the bbb ?
May 03 05:26:29 <optimus> MH you can try any terminal program. Tera Term is one. IP of the BBB is 192.167.7.2, user is root and there is no password
May 03 05:26:30 <evilwulfie> firefox does notwork for the bbb
May 03 05:26:33 <m_billybob> e..g. plug in the bbb, navigate o the mass sotage controller device, and open START.htm
May 03 05:26:41 <levi> I've got a Beaglebone Black too. Cloud9 worked on mine, but not the SSH thing. But that's okay for me because I have plenty of other ssh clients and the server works fine.
May 03 05:26:54 <kaelin> Setup was pretty painless... I did have to reboot my MacBook Pro after installing the drivers, but on reboot the eth1 interface came right up. I'm poking around via ssh from the terminal now... This thing is awesome!
May 03 05:27:05 <evilwulfie> levi have you ssh'd into it yet?
May 03 05:27:09 <levi> Yup.
May 03 05:27:31 <evilwulfie> my number 2 wont let me
May 03 05:27:32 <optimus> evilwulie firefox worked pretty much as much as chrome for me but yeah not too happy either
May 03 05:27:38 <levi> And I used systemd to turn off all the cool bonescript and gui stuff. :)
May 03 05:27:58 <optimus> m_billybob i didn't quite follow the instructions on the card. I followed the oned on the web page
May 03 05:28:22 <levi> Although I appreciate the effort that went into them, and I think they're cool, I will probably be doing mostly C and perhaps a bit of lua.
May 03 05:28:52 <m_billybob> optimus, just need to plug it in, and navigate to the mass storage device that shows up, the nopen start.htm it gives a link to the drivers for USB -> tcp/ip drivers
May 03 05:28:54 <optimus> yes, m_billybob that's pretty much what i did. went to the htm page and followed the instructions from there
May 03 05:28:59 <m_billybob> after that you should be able to ssh in
May 03 05:29:13 <MH> so the ssh client in browser definately is not working for me
May 03 05:29:28 <m_billybob> i didnt use it
May 03 05:29:28 <optimus> levi nice to know cloud9 worked for you. are you using windows, linux, or mac?
May 03 05:29:44 <m_billybob> MH what error does it give ? connection closed by server ?
May 03 05:30:23 <evilwulfie> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
May 03 05:30:25 <optimus> kaelin, good to know it worked for you. did you try the ssh in the browser and the cloud9 ide?
May 03 05:30:26 <evilwulfie> is what i got
May 03 05:31:03 <MH> m_billybob when I click on the link for the GateOne SSH client I get the "page is not redirecting properly".....
May 03 05:31:25 <evilwulfie> MH use chrome
May 03 05:31:34 <evilwulfie> ff will do that
May 03 05:31:38 <kaelin> optimus: Cloud9 seemed to work fine in the latest Safari. Did not try the browser SSH client as I prefer the terminal for ssh.
May 03 05:31:38 <optimus> m_billybob, the ssh client through the browser did not work for me. I ssh'd using a terminal....that worked fine
May 03 05:31:42 <m_billybob> MH for what its worth evilwulfie has teh second bbb tha twe ordered, so yeah not the same error we're getting. so possibly good news
May 03 05:31:54 <m_billybob> optimus, awesome
May 03 05:32:04 <m_billybob> means you have access atleast
May 03 05:32:39 <_av500_> ahoi
May 03 05:33:07 <m_billybob> ok one second
May 03 05:33:08 <optimus> yes i definitely have access. i have poked around, writted and compiled c++ code, and even controlled LEDs from the terminal. so it definitely works. It's just the interface that has issues.
May 03 05:34:30 <m_billybob> MH on the right if you click on the "update image" link what happens ?
May 03 05:34:40 <optimus> i am not sure if we can post links. But I have started a post about this issue at the beagleboard google group. It's titled "Cloud9 IDE and GateOne SSH Client not accessible". And sounds like others have been having issues too.
May 03 05:34:58 <m_billybob> do you get a greeen box at the top ? tells yo uthe ip etc ?
May 03 05:35:33 <optimus> m_billybob I get the green box on chrome and not on firefox
May 03 05:35:40 <levi> optimus: I used it from the internal GUI and then from Windows, but I'll be doing most of my development on Linux if I can coax Yocto into building the image I want.
May 03 05:35:48 <m_billybob> optimus, yeah same for me, firefox doesnt work
May 03 05:35:54 <m_billybob> only chrome
May 03 05:36:11 <levi> I'm pretty sure I was using firefox on Windows.
May 03 05:36:41 <m_billybob> bonescripts dont work on firefox for me either, but work fine on chrome
May 03 05:36:46 <MH> m_billybob if I click on the update image link on the left it takes me to a web page 192.168.7.2/updates.html about updating the board
May 03 05:36:58 <kaelin> Is there an eclipse-based environment for developing in C targetting the bb, or is there only the netbeans one?
May 03 05:37:17 <MH> m_billybob ... may I should update
May 03 05:37:19 <m_billybob> MH green box at the top ? does it state 192.168.7.2 at the end ?
May 03 05:37:35 <MH> maybe*
May 03 05:37:37 <optimus> levi: that's nice to know. I'm guessing the internal GUI should work fine. I don't have an HDMI monitor so have to do this or something like Xming
May 03 05:38:25 <optimus> m_billybob: yes, same here. bonescripts worked on chrome only.
May 03 05:38:31 <MH> m_billybob what green box at the top?
May 03 05:38:47 <m_billybob> should say something like . . one second
May 03 05:39:18 <levi> It's a bit sluggish running v8 javascript for the server and tracemonkey javascript for the client at the same time, especially when cloud9 does fancy animations, but it does work.
May 03 05:39:46 <optimus> kaelin: i think i saw a youtube video showing how to do this on eclipse. Or maybe it was a web page tutorial. Not sure I wasn't paying attention since couldn't get mine all up and running :(
May 03 05:39:50 <m_billybob> Your board is connected!
May 03 05:39:50 <m_billybob> BeagleBone Black rev 0A5A S/N 1613BBBK1091 at xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx <--- ip adress local subnet
May 03 05:40:22 <m_billybob> in your case i should think it would say 192.168.7.2
May 03 05:40:43 <m_billybob> mine is on a local ethernet subnet so yeah not goign to show you that ;)
May 03 05:41:01 <levi> kaelin: The image is using the Angstrom distribution, which is built via Yocto tools, which can also generate a cross-compiling tool chain and a development kit that includes an eclipse plugin and a debug client that runs on the target platform to do debugging.
May 03 05:41:41 <m_billybob> levi, whatabout remote compilation / debugging ?
May 03 05:41:49 <kaelin> Thanks levi and optimus
May 03 05:42:07 <kaelin> optimus: Damn, sorry to hear you're having troubles
May 03 05:42:39 <optimus> You're welcome kaelin. Out of curiosity, did you get yours ar Adafruit or someplace else?
May 03 05:42:48 <levi> m_billybob: "a cross-compiling tool chain and a development kit tat includes an eclipse plugin and a debug client that runs on the target platform" basically means remote compiling and debugging, in more technical terms. :)
May 03 05:43:09 <optimus> kaelin: thanks. I hope it works out.
May 03 05:43:11 <MH> m_billybob Thanks for all the help, I am going to have to give up and try tomorrow.  Got a GSoC application that needs attention...
May 03 05:43:19 * m_billybob already runs cross compilation / debug tool for msp430
May 03 05:43:31 <m_billybob> just not familiar with sitara core toochain *yet*
May 03 05:43:39 <optimus> MH: good luck
May 03 05:43:57 <m_billybob> MH right-o, good luck :/
May 03 05:44:14 <kaelin> optimus: Orderd mine from element14
May 03 05:44:33 <levi> If someone knows the people who do the official image bulids, could someone poke them to bitbake the adt-installer and/or meta-toolchain-sdk targets and distribute them from the same place as the images?
May 03 05:44:36 <m_billybob> got ours from mouser
May 03 05:45:33 <optimus> kaelin: ah...element14 delayed my raspberry PI order last year to the extent that I cancelled, so I avoided them this time.
May 03 05:45:58 <mrpackethead> prob wa'snt mousers fault
May 03 05:46:24 <kaelin> optimus: I think lots of places had problems getting the Pi shipped.
May 03 05:46:31 <mrpackethead> yes.
May 03 05:46:42 <mrpackethead> and then lots of people have had lots of problems with Pi
May 03 05:46:45 <mrpackethead> and what are they going to do
May 03 05:46:49 <m_billybob> problem with our bbbseems to be software issue related, but wouldnt discount possible hardware issues
May 03 05:46:52 <optimus> mr_packethead: probably isnt any distributor's fault, but just curious where the good one(s) ended up
May 03 05:46:54 <mrpackethead> when Chip 1,999,999 is used
May 03 05:47:58 <optimus> kaelin: yes pretty much everyone had shipping problems with it. I just ordered mine from the UK in the end. they shipped the next day..
May 03 05:48:02 <m_billybob> our second bbb has been rma'd
May 03 05:48:40 <optimus> mepackethead: didn't have any issues with the pie...but didn't like the whole emphasis on python...it's a great tool for learning programming  but not so for robotics..
May 03 05:49:16 <m_billybob> anyone here with extensive rpi experience ?
May 03 05:49:20 <optimus> i mean the Pi as a whole is not so awesome as a robotics controller
May 03 05:49:42 <solrize> the bbb has those rtu coprocessors that look intersting for controlling stuff
May 03 05:50:17 <m_billybob> rpi just seemed to lackluster on so many levels for embedded purposes.
May 03 05:50:24 <m_billybob> so lackluster*
May 03 05:50:51 <optimus> everyone: thanks for the feedback. I hope this issue gets fixed soon. All those with issues, keep your eyes on the post on this issue on the beagle board forum: "Cloud9 IDE and GateOne SSH Client not accessible"
May 03 05:54:40 <solrize> i ordered mine from digikey last week and they said something like 6 weeks lead time, but i got a shipping notice 2 days later
May 03 05:54:47 <solrize> i had been hearing predictions of 1 week
May 03 05:54:55 <solrize> are they in short supply again?  are more coming?
May 03 05:57:08 <m_billybob> my understanding was first "pas" was 100,000 unit were intially manufactuered so yeah . .do not know. local plays a big part of that im sure
May 03 05:57:12 <panto> gm
May 03 05:58:20 <mranostay> panto: i hope you brought gyros for the room
May 03 05:58:47 <panto> for breakfast?
May 03 05:58:56 <panto> no, that's not the way it works
May 03 05:59:24 <solrize> well if someone's really desperate i can probably part with mine... i'm unlikely to have time to do anything with it anytime soon
May 03 06:00:05 <mranostay> panto: isn't like having pizza for breakfest?
May 03 06:00:20 <solrize> is there such a thing as a decent 5mp focusable camera module that the bbb or rpi can run?  the rpi one is fixed focus which is useless for close-ups
May 03 06:00:24 <m_billybob> just so happen my next project uses a bbb but e get ours from mouser :)
May 03 06:01:56 <m_billybob> I expect to spend a few months getting to know the bbb, too me that logn with the msp430
May 03 06:02:11 <m_billybob> ( launchpad )
May 03 06:02:59 <KotH> if you spend months with the msp, then the bone will take you years ^^'
May 03 06:03:08 <m_billybob> dount it.
May 03 06:03:13 <m_billybob> doubt even
May 03 06:03:15 <KotH> that said... a wonderfull JIHAD everyone!
May 03 06:04:35 <KotH> mranostay: you dont want fatty, awfull smelling gyros in the morning!
May 03 06:04:51 <KotH> mranostay: what you want, is a nice, wonderfully tasting kebab!
May 03 06:04:52 <KotH> ;-)
May 03 06:05:23 * mranostay is drunk and doesn't care
May 03 06:05:34 * KotH gives mranostay a bottle of raki
May 03 06:06:10 <KotH> but be carefull with that stuff... or you wont wake up until monday ;)
May 03 06:06:47 <mranostay> yeah that would end badly
May 03 06:11:31 <Dalek_> hello
May 03 06:15:15 <levi> Hi
May 03 06:28:17 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: whats the channel name?
May 03 06:29:38 <m_billybob> mrpackethead ?
May 03 06:30:01 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: just asking becuase you where asking for PI experience here
May 03 06:30:42 <levi> Sweet, I may have figured out the right incantation for my Yocto build for beaglebone.
May 03 06:30:52 <m_billybob> was just curious aboutthose who had hands on. What ive read indicated to me atleast that the rpi was not very desirable.
May 03 06:31:10 <levi> It's very desirable for some things, less so for others.
May 03 06:31:25 <m_billybob> documentation seems to stink it it has rather limited external gpio
May 03 06:31:28 <mrpackethead> levi: like what>
May 03 06:31:42 <mranostay> KotH: so is that basically Ouzo?
May 03 06:31:43 <m_billybob> xbmc i suppose he means
May 03 06:31:48 <mrpackethead> the i/o is lamost useless.
May 03 06:31:53 <m_billybob> media server duties
May 03 06:32:44 <levi> There are lots of things you might use a low-power computer for that don't involve i/o beyond ethernet.
May 03 06:33:27 <m_billybob> not really my idea of what embedded means
May 03 06:34:03 <levi> It wasn't really marketed as an embedded controller.
May 03 06:34:20 <mrpackethead> levi, like ?
May 03 06:34:38 <mrpackethead> what things would you use it for
May 03 06:34:41 <m_billybob> on a personal level id be perfectly happy with the bbb without an OS even, but . . . this is my first foray into these devices so ill reserve my final observations until i get to know it better
May 03 06:34:59 <levi> Serving files, serving small web apps, monitoring network traffic, running a VOIP service, etc.
May 03 06:35:31 <m_billybob> technicaly most of that can be done with a M0 core processor without an OS even
May 03 06:36:04 <m_billybob> granrted, something like bonescript makes this easier . ..
May 03 06:36:13 <m_billybob> granted even
May 03 06:38:13 <levi> Even before RPi, there were several small ARM computers that were basically marketed to geeks wanting to have a low-power always-on PC for simple network services.  They were just a lot more expensive than RPi.
May 03 06:38:32 <m_billybob> you're 100% right
May 03 06:38:46 <dm8tbr> some were even in the same price range
May 03 06:39:02 <m_billybob> 3-4 years ago the stellaris eval board offered by TI were $75US
May 03 06:39:14 <m_billybob> no OS limited support for anythign of this nature
May 03 06:39:38 <m_billybob> that was simply an M3 too
May 03 06:39:42 <levi> Stellaris is an M3, right?
May 03 06:40:00 <levi> Not exactly in the same class as an A-series ARM.
May 03 06:40:04 <m_billybob> new boards are known as tiva, very recently know as LM4F
May 03 06:40:08 <m_billybob> nope not at all
May 03 06:40:25 <levi> I really like the M3 architecture, but not to run Linux on!
May 03 06:40:42 <mrpackethead> mranostay: i'm looking at that BCC cape
May 03 06:40:45 <m_billybob> you technically could run linux on them but the question i think would be why
May 03 06:40:46 <mrpackethead> and jusst wondering
May 03 06:40:49 <mrpackethead> if we should build one
May 03 06:40:50 <m_billybob> it would be slow as hell
May 03 06:41:40 <levi> It's a perfect platform to code a simple main loop-with-interrupts system.
May 03 06:41:55 <levi> Or at most a thin RTOS.
May 03 06:42:08 <mranostay> BCC cape?
May 03 06:42:16 <mrpackethead> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc/index.html
May 03 06:42:21 <m_billybob> FOr me the biggest reason for beagle is the TI support behind the processor. TI usually has very good documentation and software support. from what ive seen from the rpi, the bbb's trump
May 03 06:42:32 <m_billybob> levi my personal prefference is bare metal no OS
May 03 06:43:01 <m_billybob> OS is just another abstraction layer to get in the way but meh ill deal with it
May 03 06:43:47 <mrpackethead> mranostay: wonder if we could buidl the dmx cape into it
May 03 06:43:51 <tsjsieb> goodmorning
May 03 06:43:53 <m_billybob> added benifits to go with that abstration layer too, just a differnt learning curve
May 03 06:45:10 <levi> I developed a bunch of code in QNX on an A8 in a Jacinto5. The A8+QNX couldn't handle the interrupt rate I needed, so the guys taking over the project ported it to one of the M3s in the Ducati subsystem. Unfortunately, they decided to use sys/bios and syslink, and dealing with those was a major pain!
May 03 06:45:52 <mranostay> emeb_mac: you started that cape in 2011? :)
May 03 06:45:54 <m_billybob> read a lot abotu TI's sysbios never used it though
May 03 06:46:15 <m_billybob> seemed pretty cool but never had a use for it
May 03 06:46:19 <mranostay> you have a few unpopulated PCBs left?
May 03 06:46:31 <mrpackethead> mranostay: apparently not
May 03 06:46:35 <mrpackethead> :-(
May 03 06:46:56 <mrpackethead> but the Scheamtics and Gerbers and stuff are all availalbe
May 03 06:47:01 <levi> It is cool in theory, but in practice the code is so portable that it's really hard to trace what it's doing when things go wrong.
May 03 06:47:24 <levi> Everything maps through two or three layers of indirection.
May 03 06:47:39 <m_billybob> yeah i hate even reading other people code let alone tryign to understand / read a whole "library" lol
May 03 06:47:52 <mrpackethead> mranostay: i think it woudl be nice to make some for learning
May 03 06:48:31 <m_billybob> levi, im a hobbyist though, since the 90's so i can afford to do what i please. thankfully.
May 03 06:49:07 <_av500_> levi: fun with syslink :)
May 03 06:49:16 <emeb_mac> mranostay: yep
May 03 06:49:22 <m_billybob> well i should clarify in saying "honnist programmer" embedded is realitivly new to me ( last 5-6 years or so )
May 03 06:49:29 <levi> On another product we were going to have to port it to the DSP instead of the Ducati M3s, so syslink was really attractive to some of the team.
May 03 06:49:32 <m_billybob> hobbyist programmer*
May 03 06:49:47 <mranostay> emeb_mac: how much is that FPGA chips again?
May 03 06:49:56 <levi> "Hey, we'll just have to write it once and it will be easy to move to the DSP!"
May 03 06:50:03 <mrpackethead> mranostay: $12.50 i just looked it up
May 03 06:50:08 <m_billybob> c2000 ?
May 03 06:50:20 <mrpackethead> mranostay: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/XC3S200A-4VQG100C/122-1594-ND/1956947
May 03 06:50:25 <mranostay> kinda cheap if i trust my soldering skills
May 03 06:50:40 <levi> Whatever DSP core they threw in there.
May 03 06:50:48 <m_billybob> my own personal "dream project" would use the picolo c2000
May 03 06:50:56 <mrpackethead> that was 1off
May 03 06:51:16 <levi> I swear they dump their entire IP library into most of the SoCs, and they only tell you about 3/4 of it in the TRMs.
May 03 06:51:18 <emeb_mac> mranostay: what - the price of the XC3S200A chip? It's about $12 or so.
May 03 06:51:31 <_av500_> levi: nah
May 03 06:51:37 <_av500_> its mostly what is in the TRMs
May 03 06:51:52 <_av500_> at least in the NDA ones
May 03 06:51:58 <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: would you mind if i ran up some of BCC
May 03 06:52:15 <mrpackethead> i'm wanting to learn soemtigna bout FPGAs'
May 03 06:52:15 <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: go ahead. I wish someone would. :)
May 03 06:52:19 <mrpackethead> and this looked good
May 03 06:52:50 <m_billybob> FPGA is on my list sopmeday too, as well as PIC32
May 03 06:53:03 <emeb_mac> pic32. meh
May 03 06:53:15 <_av500_> mips ftw
May 03 06:53:21 <emeb_mac> :P
May 03 06:53:23 <mrpackethead> we use a lot of pic24's
May 03 06:53:33 <_av500_> emeb_mac: my coworker has that olimex pic32
May 03 06:53:36 <_av500_> likes it a lot
May 03 06:53:37 <m_billybob> compared to what ive been playign iwth the last few month its an awesome MCU line lol
May 03 06:53:47 <mrpackethead> my lighting controllers have PIC24's in them
May 03 06:53:50 <m_billybob> value line msp430 .  ..
May 03 06:53:58 <emeb_mac> _av500_: I've got some pic32 demo boards.
May 03 06:54:01 <m_billybob> g2553 specifically
May 03 06:54:06 <emeb_mac> not thrilled with them.
May 03 06:54:10 <_av500_> ic
May 03 06:54:20 <mrpackethead> if i was goign to redeisng , we'll probalby go pic32, but the pic24 has enough go
May 03 06:54:21 <mrpackethead> for the task
May 03 06:54:23 <KotH> mranostay: hell no!
May 03 06:54:23 <mrpackethead> and theya re cheap
May 03 06:54:30 <KotH> mranostay: ouzo is a cheap copy of raki!
May 03 06:54:34 <KotH> mranostay: ;)
May 03 06:54:38 <levi> _av500_: That wasn't my experience with this part based on early pre-production discussions with our rep as well as some revelations about things way later as well.
May 03 06:55:16 <levi> Also, the datasheet and TRM disagreed on which things were there in a couple of places. :)
May 03 06:55:51 <_av500_> levi: jacinto?
May 03 06:55:55 <_av500_> yeah that can be
May 03 06:55:58 <levi> Yup.
May 03 06:56:05 <_av500_> that stuff is not even fully on the website
May 03 06:56:13 <levi> I know!
May 03 06:56:21 <levi> Drove me nuts.
May 03 06:56:29 <_av500_> and probably driven by automotive customerts more than by TI
May 03 06:56:31 <emeb_mac> I prefer STM32. Cortex M3 all the way man.
May 03 06:56:37 <mranostay> panto: thoughts? :)
May 03 06:56:40 <_av500_> like OMAP chips in the past
May 03 06:56:42 <emeb_mac> or M4F
May 03 06:56:46 <levi> And after we finished porting to the M3, they told us it had PRUs in it. :P
May 03 06:56:50 <_av500_> or MD%
May 03 06:56:52 <_av500_> or MD5
May 03 06:57:20 <m_billybob> have a stellaris launcpad and FRDM-KL25Z that i havent even laid paws on yet
May 03 06:57:28 <m_billybob> some day . . .
May 03 06:57:35 <mrpackethead> mranostay: do you want the board blank, or assembled
May 03 06:57:44 <_av500_> I brought back 4 demo beards from embedded world
May 03 06:57:48 <_av500_> havent touched one yet :(
May 03 06:57:53 <mrpackethead> emeb_mac:  the deisgn all worked? ( BCC )
May 03 06:58:10 <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: yes - 100% functional.
May 03 06:58:27 <mrpackethead> do you know if its good with BBB?
May 03 06:58:30 <emeb_mac> err... 100% of what I've tested at least. :)
May 03 06:58:31 <mrpackethead> it shoudl be
May 03 06:58:58 <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: I haven't tried it on BBB, but I can't think of a reason not.
May 03 06:59:21 <emeb_mac> It uses some GPMC pins that might conflict with the eMMC tho
May 03 06:59:30 <emeb_mac> so those pins would be off limits.
May 03 06:59:57 <panto> mranostay, -EBUSY
May 03 07:00:00 <panto> what's this about?
May 03 07:00:02 <PiyushA> hello
May 03 07:00:11 <mrpackethead> I'll get a quote for making them
May 03 07:00:43 <mranostay> panto: turks vs greeks
May 03 07:00:46 <levi> Sweet, I have a core-image-minimal custom-built for beaglebone finally!
May 03 07:00:51 <PiyushA> *sad day* I ran a update/upgrade and I got the ill-fated 3.8.10 version and now my BBB doesn't boot... and I don't have a micro-hdmi cable on me =(
May 03 07:01:02 <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: cool. I'd be interested in what the price is.
May 03 07:01:13 <mrpackethead> I'll ask my board house
May 03 07:01:19 <m_billybob> So question. anyone else notice the bbb only running stable for a day before it become unresponsive without a rebot ? stock out of the box.
May 03 07:01:21 <mrpackethead> i spend $1000's with them each month
May 03 07:01:23 <pittbull> hi guys
May 03 07:01:24 <PiyushA> and trying the sd-card flash isn't doing anything it tries to boot and I just get a solid blue light on CPU... left it for 1-2 hrs and it started getting hot and I figure it shouldn't be taking that long.
May 03 07:01:25 <levi> You can boot from the micro-sd card if you hold down the boot button, I think.
May 03 07:01:27 <mrpackethead> so they will look after me.
May 03 07:01:34 <pittbull> so I`m trying to finish my GSoC proposal
May 03 07:01:49 <pittbull> I want to pursue the PRU Firmware loader
May 03 07:02:06 <PiyushA> it was all working before I upgraded :/
May 03 07:02:15 <panto> what ever :)
May 03 07:02:16 <pittbull> project and I need some pointers/reviews/opinions
May 03 07:02:37 <levi> PiyushA: That's really a bummer.  Have you tried hooking up the serial port?
May 03 07:03:13 <m_billybob> isnt there some text file that needs to be on the sd card for it to work properly ?
May 03 07:03:37 <levi> You need MLO, u-boot.bin, and uImage I think.
May 03 07:03:38 <PiyushA> I didn't even know there was a serial port
May 03 07:03:39 <pittbull> on what everyone would like to get from this project
May 03 07:03:50 <PiyushA> I just used the .xy file and followed the steps to get it onto the card
May 03 07:03:51 <m_billybob> e.g. without this text file even if you plan on booting from eMMC with sd card inserted it wont boot
May 03 07:04:00 <Guest34190> Hi all: Can anyone tell me about begalbone black ...how to see complete booting in host console ...?
May 03 07:04:12 <PiyushA> well the odd part is with the micro-sd in I see just the CPU light lit up
May 03 07:04:15 <levi> PiyushA: There's a serial header; you need an adapter to use it.
May 03 07:04:21 <PiyushA> if I take it out I get the 3 LED lights lit up
May 03 07:04:25 <PiyushA> gotcha
May 03 07:04:40 <PiyushA> my board just arrived yesterday, so haven't bought anything else for it yet
May 03 07:04:54 <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: will finish them in gold ENIG
May 03 07:04:56 <mrpackethead> and red
May 03 07:05:26 <levi> Guest34190: Hook up the serial port or the HDMI port if you need to get early boot information in real-time, otherwise log in and use journalctl
May 03 07:05:30 <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: that'll look awesome
May 03 07:05:44 <mrpackethead> all my prototype boards now shoudl be red.
May 03 07:05:59 <PiyushA> I'm guessing CPU light being the only one lit isn't normal?
May 03 07:06:00 <mrpackethead> the idea is that they can't accidently get shipped out
May 03 07:06:48 <m_billybob> was readin you need a file called uEnv.txt to boot with a sd card inserted, to be booted from or not.
May 03 07:07:03 <m_billybob> bbb.
May 03 07:07:54 <Guest34190> hi levi : Can we use  usb for console output
May 03 07:07:57 <levi> The manual for the bbb describes the whole boot process.
May 03 07:07:58 <m_billybob> anyhowim 3 sheets to the wind and it late . . .
May 03 07:08:07 <PiyushA> Ill double check to see if that is there
May 03 07:08:11 <emeb_mac> you take the red board or the blue board. down the rabbit hole...
May 03 07:08:27 <levi> Guest34190: If you buy or make an adapter from the serial header to a serial/usb converter.
May 03 07:09:07 <levi> Apparently eliminating that part from the board was a significant source of the cost savings that makes the BBB so cheap.
May 03 07:09:11 <mrpackethead> if we make 50 boards
May 03 07:09:21 <mrpackethead> they are goign to be $10 each or so
May 03 07:09:35 <emeb_mac> bare boards?
May 03 07:09:40 <mrpackethead> yup
May 03 07:09:45 <mrpackethead> have you got dimensison of it
May 03 07:09:53 <Guest34190> levi , can you provide any links on how to connect adapter on BBB?
May 03 07:09:56 <emeb_mac> not bad. they were $25/ea from OSHpark
May 03 07:10:58 <PiyushA> looks like I do have a uEnv.txt
May 03 07:11:04 <PiyushA> all it has inside is
May 03 07:11:08 <PiyushA> optargs=quiet
May 03 07:11:17 <_av500_> should be fine
May 03 07:11:51 <PiyushA> MLO file is there, BBBFlasher 20130318?
May 03 07:11:56 <PiyushA> inside ID.txt
May 03 07:12:42 <levi> Personally I hate it when boards have serial/usb chips on them. Give me a serial header and let me provide my own adapter!
May 03 07:12:53 <_av500_> vvu|Mobile: I added some notes
May 03 07:13:00 <_av500_> levi: thats what BBB does
May 03 07:13:17 <m_billybob> levi give me uart booatstrap am im happy :P
May 03 07:13:17 <_av500_> its a tradeoff
May 03 07:13:22 <levi> I know, that's what I was just saying.
May 03 07:13:28 <m_billybob> and im happy*
May 03 07:13:37 <_av500_> these days for novice users having the FTDI chip is nice
May 03 07:13:47 * m_billybob npods
May 03 07:13:59 * mranostay drinks
May 03 07:14:03 <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: at 1000 off, they woudl be $2.56 each
May 03 07:14:14 <emeb_mac> wow - really cheap!
May 03 07:14:46 <mrpackethead> 100 off, tested is $6.50
May 03 07:15:23 <mrpackethead> 50 off, is $10.48
May 03 07:16:08 <mrpackethead> 20 off, $21.00
May 03 07:16:08 <mrpackethead> 50 seems sweet
May 03 07:16:13 <mrpackethead> wonder if we post to the list
May 03 07:16:15 <KotH> mranostay: got some raki? ;)
May 03 07:16:20 <mrpackethead> and see if there is any interest
May 03 07:17:15 <mranostay> KotH: yeah well i
May 03 07:17:25 <mranostay> 'll have to check if BevMo has that
May 03 07:17:59 <KotH> mranostay: :)
May 03 07:18:04 <KotH> mranostay: hint: do not drink it pure
May 03 07:18:07 <_av500_> mranostay: just drink brake fluid
May 03 07:18:12 <_av500_> same effect
May 03 07:18:15 <_av500_> cheaper
May 03 07:18:19 <KotH> mranostay: dillute it with 1 to 3 parts of water
May 03 07:18:21 <PiyushA> oh wait, when the SD Card is in do you have to actually press the boot button manually? or does it automatically boot from the SD Card?
May 03 07:18:32 <mranostay> _av500_: pretty sure that would kill me
May 03 07:18:36 <_av500_> raki? yes
May 03 07:18:48 <PiyushA> if you do a power cycle
May 03 07:19:01 <KotH> _av500_: did you have some bad experiences? ;)
May 03 07:19:05 <m_billybob> PiyushA ive read that it doesnt matter as long as you have the properly config files on the sd card, but no hands on personally
May 03 07:19:12 <m_billybob> proper*
May 03 07:19:14 <emeb_mac> mranostay: ever had absinthe?
May 03 07:19:15 <_av500_> you can also just try
May 03 07:19:31 * _av500_ wonders if he has mini hdmi at home
May 03 07:19:49 <m_billybob> technically you're supposed to press and hold s2 i guess ? but what i read said it doesnt matter at this point , so meh whatever.
May 03 07:20:36 <m_billybob> still waiting on my sd card to arive :/
May 03 07:20:54 <emeb_mac> gn
May 03 07:20:59 <PiyushA> yeah I guess i cant tell without getting the serial/hdmi
May 03 07:21:05 <PiyushA> it starts booting
May 03 07:21:19 <PiyushA> i see the normal LED pattern
May 03 07:21:29 <PiyushA> then it stays on the CPU light
May 03 07:21:49 <PiyushA> 3:21am... think its bed time before I break this. Ill just order the cables from amazon and be very patient...
May 03 07:22:07 <m_billybob> :/
May 03 07:22:14 <mrpackethead> posted to the mailing list
May 03 07:22:18 <mrpackethead> weill see if theres interest
May 03 07:22:30 <m_billybob> dont smoke your board like ive read several people have already lol
May 03 07:22:45 <PiyushA> haha
May 03 07:22:51 <KotH> how did you smoke your bones?
May 03 07:22:53 <mrpackethead> right going to get my hands dirty.
May 03 07:22:55 <PiyushA> I haven't. Like I said it was all working fine
May 03 07:22:59 <mrpackethead> KotH: in a bone smoker
May 03 07:23:00 <PiyushA> before I did upgrade/update
May 03 07:23:04 <KotH> ah..
May 03 07:23:04 <PiyushA> and went to 3.8.10 kernel
May 03 07:23:06 <KotH> thought so
May 03 07:23:12 <m_billybob> KotH, rubbing it too vigourusly without lube ?
May 03 07:23:20 <mrpackethead> KotH: I find the fish smoker is a bit hot though
May 03 07:23:33 <KotH> m_billybob: i'd use something differnt for your girl than a bone
May 03 07:23:40 <PiyushA> so anyone who starts playing with a BBB... make sure you dont update/upgrade to 3.8.10 stick to 3.8.6/ 3.8.8 or go to 3.8.11 once that's out
May 03 07:23:56 <mrpackethead> KotH: put your swiss sauage away
May 03 07:23:58 <m_billybob> ive upgrade to 3.8.8
May 03 07:24:10 <m_billybob> whats wrong with *.10 PiyushA ?
May 03 07:24:30 <PiyushA> eMMC doesnt boot as far as I can tell from my board/what i've read on the group
May 03 07:24:52 <m_billybob> you did a sd upgrade ot net install / upgrade ?
May 03 07:24:57 <m_billybob> doesnt sound good either way
May 03 07:25:16 <PiyushA> im gonna try this newer image
May 03 07:25:24 <PiyushA> from the circuitco site
May 03 07:25:47 <PiyushA> BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.02.img.xz
May 03 07:25:48 <PiyushA> instead of
May 03 07:25:59 <panto> PiyushA, the dangers of using a dev kernel
May 03 07:26:02 <PiyushA> BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.04.13-DDR3-400MHz.img.xz
May 03 07:26:13 <PiyushA> I didn't realize it was... :\ I just did upgrade/update haha
May 03 07:26:22 <mrpackethead> is anyone running Debian on a BBB yet?
May 03 07:26:24 <PiyushA> I figured having it all updated would be good
May 03 07:26:28 <PiyushA> bad assumption
May 03 07:26:36 <m_billybob> i just did opkg update; opkg upgrade; followed by opkg --force-overwrite install kernel-image-3.8.8 before rebooting
May 03 07:26:41 <mranostay> mrpackethead: you have those stackable headers still?
May 03 07:26:45 <PiyushA> yeah I should have done that
May 03 07:26:50 <PiyushA> I didnt see the thread until after the fact
May 03 07:26:56 <PiyushA> and I had just pressed the re-boot button
May 03 07:26:57 <PiyushA> so fail on me
May 03 07:27:00 <mrpackethead> mranostay: i've got osme but they are spoken for now
May 03 07:27:01 <m_billybob> ewps
May 03 07:27:05 <Russ> mranostay, http://beaglebone.mlelectronics.com/
May 03 07:27:19 <m_billybob> friend of mine from another sorums used serial connection to get in to twiddle uboot
May 03 07:27:23 <m_billybob> forums*
May 03 07:27:28 <PiyushA> yeah, I have to buy those cables
May 03 07:27:39 <PiyushA> my board arrived yesterday =p didnt realize it came with just a USB cable
May 03 07:27:49 <m_billybob> i thik he used a ftdi module
May 03 07:27:49 <PiyushA> I kind of just ordered it the second I saw the order page go up on digikey
May 03 07:27:54 <PiyushA> didnt really read everything haha
May 03 07:28:02 <m_billybob> we dont have a 3.3v module here so cant test
May 03 07:28:11 <PiyushA> yeah no worries
May 03 07:28:17 <PiyushA> ill be patient
May 03 07:28:18 <m_billybob> only ftdi module we have is 5v
May 03 07:28:41 <PiyushA> just gonna start putting this newer image on my sd card
May 03 07:28:49 <PiyushA> then bedtime.. gotta be up in 4.5 hrs for work x_X
May 03 07:29:02 <m_billybob> heh only 12:30 am here ;)
May 03 07:29:21 <m_billybob> but i should be up by 7 . . solar array to put n the rof, or solar array addition i should say
May 03 07:29:39 <PiyushA> ooo very nice
May 03 07:29:49 <m_billybob> yeah we're 100% offgrid
May 03 07:29:57 <PiyushA> haha I have a friend who wants to do that
May 03 07:29:59 <m_billybob> 1.5kw on the roof now
May 03 07:30:00 <PiyushA> but he is broke =p
May 03 07:30:03 <PiyushA> dang
May 03 07:30:09 <PiyushA> that sounds like a decent amount
May 03 07:30:13 <m_billybob> another 5kw going up this spring
May 03 07:30:27 <PiyushA> now you just need an electric car
May 03 07:30:29 <PiyushA> and you are all set
May 03 07:30:33 <m_billybob> naw
May 03 07:30:35 <m_billybob> lol
May 03 07:30:37 <PiyushA> =p
May 03 07:30:44 <m_billybob> its great but it costs a ton
May 03 07:30:50 <PiyushA> yeah Im sure
May 03 07:30:56 <PiyushA> I'm happy with my mazda3
May 03 07:30:58 <m_billybob> think of it like paying your power bill in advance for 10+ years
May 03 07:31:00 <PiyushA> it zooms
May 03 07:31:14 <PiyushA> haha
May 03 07:31:17 <PiyushA> long term investment
May 03 07:31:42 <m_billybob> well here in AZ power company wanted 50k to run power lines out to us so yeah not really an options
May 03 07:31:49 <PiyushA> oh wow
May 03 07:32:03 <PiyushA> haha my nearest neighbor... is next to my wall
May 03 07:32:06 <speakman> Hi folks. Is there any specific channel for Beagle Bone (Black)?
May 03 07:32:15 <PiyushA> I'm in Boston
May 03 07:32:16 <m_billybob> lol our is like 1/2 mile away ;)
May 03 07:32:18 <PiyushA> well near Boston
May 03 07:32:32 <m_billybob> we're kind of in the boonies,
May 03 07:32:42 <PiyushA> @speakman I think there's enough people here who could help out =)
May 03 07:33:08 <PiyushA> egads... I don't even remember how to reply in IRC... it's been years since I last used it I was probably like 10 years old
May 03 07:33:13 <Guest34190> HELLO ANY DOWNLOAD IS GOING ON..
May 03 07:33:27 <m_billybob> great . . .
May 03 07:33:28 <Guest34190> HUGE DOWNLOAD 4M  UR IP
May 03 07:33:40 <PiyushA> wha?
May 03 07:34:13 <rob_w> which is the best kernel git for the beaglebone ? git://arago-project.org/ ?`http://git.ti.com/ti-linux-kernel/ti-linux-kernel ? any else ?
May 03 07:34:36 <_av500_> neither
May 03 07:34:54 <speakman> PiyushA: (y)
May 03 07:35:09 <rob_w> av500, enlightme pls
May 03 07:35:27 <_av500_> PiyushA: you saw koen's post on the ML?
May 03 07:35:30 <_av500_> .11 it is
May 03 07:35:45 <m_billybob> ML link ?
May 03 07:35:54 <m_billybob> stil havent subscribed yet :/
May 03 07:35:58 <_av500_> well then do
May 03 07:36:02 <PiyushA> I did... but I guess I dont know how to get to that
May 03 07:36:04 <_av500_> my mailer does not provide links
May 03 07:36:06 <PiyushA> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/beagleboard/3.8.10/beagleboard/kYRrjf_M9N4/peKhhbs-KTAJ
May 03 07:36:22 <PiyushA> I'm hoping the 5/2 image will have it
May 03 07:36:27 <_av500_> e http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.02.img.xz
May 03 07:36:38 <PiyushA> yep, it just finished downloading
May 03 07:36:55 <PiyushA> took forever was only gettin 70KB/s max
May 03 07:37:27 <_av500_> 870k now
May 03 07:37:27 <speakman> Regarding the BB Black, the CPU does support CAN BUS (dual channel maybe?). But there is no mention of CAN in the BB Black specs. Do you know if there are any work going on bringing CAN working on BB Black?
May 03 07:37:38 <PiyushA> Im guessing the 4/13 version was too old to boot properly
May 03 07:37:51 <PiyushA> I have the latest revision of the board
May 03 07:38:02 <m_billybob> speakman seems to be a CAN0 mentioned in the docs
May 03 07:38:12 <PiyushA> well I'll report back on the ML tomorrow
May 03 07:38:18 <PiyushA> im going to let this flash to my sd card
May 03 07:38:22 <PiyushA> but I need to get some sleep
May 03 07:38:51 <m_billybob> beaglebone_black_SRM_A52.pdf
May 03 07:39:00 <m_billybob> page um . . .
May 03 07:39:26 <m_billybob> 26
May 03 07:40:51 <PiyushA> andd away it goes: xz -dkc BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.02.img.xz > /dev/disk3
May 03 07:40:54 <m_billybob> so only one CAN periph it seems
May 03 07:41:13 <m_billybob> whats the base link for the ML ?
May 03 07:41:35 <PiyushA> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!forum/beagleboard
May 03 07:42:26 <m_billybob> been a google user for years and not really familiar with google groups lol
May 03 07:42:32 <m_billybob> no time liek the present .  ..
May 03 07:42:36 <PiyushA> haha, I think the UI is a little finicky
May 03 07:42:41 <PiyushA> but other than that it works
May 03 07:42:41 <_av500_> ignore the UI
May 03 07:42:48 <_av500_> sing up and opt for emails
May 03 07:42:54 <PiyushA> ^ or do that
May 03 07:42:54 <_av500_> then it is all in your mailer
May 03 07:42:55 <m_billybob> ill just try and forward to my gmail
May 03 07:42:59 <_av500_> yes
May 03 07:43:00 <PiyushA> I get enough crap in my email though
May 03 07:43:01 <m_billybob> yeah what he said :)
May 03 07:43:03 <_av500_> set a filter in gmail etc
May 03 07:43:25 <_av500_> PiyushA: I have gmail mostly for mailing lists
May 03 07:43:31 <_av500_> they sit and accumulate mails
May 03 07:43:37 <_av500_> one day I will read them
May 03 07:43:39 <_av500_> maybe
May 03 07:43:40 <_av500_> ...
May 03 07:43:44 <PiyushA> haha I have an obsession with having 0 unread mail
May 03 07:43:49 <PiyushA> so its unhealthy to have mailing lists
May 03 07:43:59 <_av500_> inbox != folders :)
May 03 07:44:19 <m_billybob> only mail that makes it fast my filters usualy is embedded stuff
May 03 07:44:23 <m_billybob> or family
May 03 07:44:29 <m_billybob> makes it past*
May 03 07:44:34 <PiyushA> okay so ~40 mins til sdcard is flashed
May 03 07:44:36 <PiyushA> im off
May 03 07:44:37 <PiyushA> goodnight!
May 03 07:44:43 <m_billybob> hey
May 03 07:44:46 <_av500_> ho
May 03 07:44:47 <m_billybob> come back tomorrow
May 03 07:44:52 <PiyushA> will do
May 03 07:44:52 <m_billybob> let us know how it went
May 03 07:45:00 <m_billybob> at least id liek to know . . .
May 03 07:45:08 <PiyushA> ill post on ML worst case
May 03 07:45:15 <m_billybob> ok cool good night :)
May 03 07:45:20 <PiyushA> gnight!
May 03 07:45:21 <_av500_> PiyushA: im flashing the same now
May 03 07:45:25 <PiyushA> cool
May 03 07:45:25 <_av500_> just to see
May 03 07:45:29 <speakman> m_billybob: both CAN channels seems to be available on the P9 extension header. Great!
May 03 07:45:53 <m_billybob> awesome
May 03 07:45:55 <vvu|Mobile> av500: ping
May 03 07:46:04 <m_billybob> never used CAN before but sure i could find a use eventually
May 03 07:46:07 <_av500_> vvu|Mobile: yep
May 03 07:46:26 <_av500_> m_billybob: you can hot rod your prius with it
May 03 07:46:48 <m_billybob> or just some custom not vehicuclar use ;)
May 03 07:46:54 <m_billybob> non vehicular*
May 03 07:47:01 <vvu|Mobile> _av500_: i read your comments now. my original idea was to boot from the start over usb. ds2 told me to look into pusb
May 03 07:47:11 <_av500_> yes
May 03 07:47:18 <woglinde> yes
May 03 07:47:25 <_av500_> maybe I was over concerned about not all phones doing host
May 03 07:47:28 <woglinde> troll troll troll
May 03 07:47:31 <_av500_> so put that back in :)
May 03 07:47:33 <vvu|Mobile> but if rom booting is to be done, more android hacking is needed.
May 03 07:47:47 <_av500_> well, libusb is there no?
May 03 07:48:06 <vvu|Mobile> yes but don't i need root access on the phone ?
May 03 07:48:15 <_av500_> not sure
May 03 07:48:21 <_av500_> that would be a killer
May 03 07:48:35 <vvu|Mobile> here i stumbled upon with ds2 too
May 03 07:48:52 <_av500_> vvu|Mobile: can you do some googling today
May 03 07:48:55 <_av500_> and try to find out
May 03 07:49:02 <vvu|Mobile> and rooting i do not think it is an option because in many cases an be an overkill, not all devices have like "one click tool"
May 03 07:49:06 <vvu|Mobile> i will, for sure
May 03 07:49:13 <vvu|Mobile> but wanted to check out 1st some details
May 03 07:50:14 <_av500_> ok
May 03 07:50:18 <solrize> fyi, adafruit claims to have bbb in stock
May 03 07:50:24 <solrize> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1278
May 03 07:50:31 * m_billybob has two in house
May 03 07:50:49 <m_billybob> one functional sadly ( meaning one not functional )
May 03 07:51:32 <m_billybob> got to say when i saw the final price i was midly surprised, quite happy
May 03 07:51:43 <m_billybob> I figured ~$600
May 03 07:51:50 <woglinde> m_billybob ?????
May 03 07:51:55 <m_billybob> err lol ~$60
May 03 07:51:58 <solrize> :)
May 03 07:52:42 <solrize> yeah i guess they waited til the last minute to decide because they didn't want to go as low as they did, but decided they had to if they wanted to stay relevant against the rpi
May 03 07:53:04 <m_billybob> i think twice the price of the rpi would be worth it
May 03 07:53:27 <solrize> yeah people just love really cheap stuff though
May 03 07:53:37 <m_billybob> after reading through the community forums and documentation ( or lack there of ) on the rpi i was very disapointed
May 03 07:53:58 <vvu|Mobile> _av500_: should i provide a timelime for the other implementation too?
May 03 07:54:20 <solrize> i see the ti launchpad msp430 went up from $4.30 to $10 and i go "wow what a high priced board" when of course it's still almost free
May 03 07:54:42 <solrize> i got a couple of the stellaris boards at $5, dunno what to do with them
May 03 07:54:44 <vvu|Mobile> or just a paragraph about rom booting and its troubles and its advantages ?
May 03 07:55:02 <woglinde> solrize ghana waits for them to recycled by poor kids
May 03 07:55:20 <levi> You can send a stellaris board to me. ;)
May 03 07:55:30 <m_billybob> solrize, lots can be done withthem
May 03 07:55:50 <m_billybob> check out ---> http://forum.stellarisiti.com/
May 03 07:55:53 <solrize> levi you can still order them from ti, they're around $12 now, still not bad
May 03 07:56:07 <solrize> the st32f discovery is a more powerful board though
May 03 07:56:11 <solrize> at around the same price
May 03 07:56:32 <m_billybob> is thast the M) freedom ?
May 03 07:56:35 <m_billybob> M0*
May 03 07:56:44 <levi> I may have to get one.  I've pored over all the M3 documentation from ARM, so it's shame not to have one.
May 03 07:56:46 <koen> m_billybob: we've noticed that people who mention rpi pricing as a good thing don't want to pay more for the board than $35
May 03 07:56:47 <solrize> m_billybob, yeah i know there's lots to do with the stellaris, i just don't feel up to it, too much else to do
May 03 07:56:55 <solrize> m_billybob, the st32f is an m4
May 03 07:57:04 <koen> m_billybob: even if you explain to them that they don't need to buy an sd card and stuff
May 03 07:57:04 <solrize> at 200 mhz or so, with 192k of ram and 1m of program flash
May 03 07:57:11 <solrize> i.e. around 2x as much stuff as the stellaris launchpad
May 03 07:57:17 <koen> like arguing with a brick wall
May 03 07:57:35 <m_billybob> koen, lots of peopel jus twant a turn key medi box solution i guess
May 03 07:57:38 <solrize> freedom is a freescale product, discovery is STM
May 03 07:57:49 <koen> m_billybob: and the bone is not suited for media playback
May 03 07:57:51 <m_billybob> me im more of a software tinker. tiny bit EE
May 03 07:57:56 <koen> well, media from 5 years ago or so :)
May 03 07:57:57 <solrize> koen, i like the rpi approach of putting everything on an sd card
May 03 07:58:12 <solrize> and it's unfortunate that the bbb doesn't support 1080 hdmi
May 03 07:58:20 <levi> I would really love to have a super cheap media platform, but I think I'm just going to get a Celeron NUC for that.
May 03 07:58:33 <m_billybob> yeah becaue its graphcis would other wise smoke that on the rpi i think
May 03 07:58:37 <solrize> levi, android stick :)
May 03 07:58:39 <levi> I wonder if the bbb resolution issue is a software or hardware one.
May 03 07:58:52 <koen> solrize: it supports 1080p HDMI, but we limited it to 720p, since higher resolutions would not make sense
May 03 07:58:53 <m_billybob> 1280x1024 max graohics on the bbb from what i just read though
May 03 07:59:01 <solrize> koen ????
May 03 07:59:03 <solrize> not make sense how?
May 03 07:59:11 <koen> scrolling in a browser at 1080p is not as fast as you'd like
May 03 07:59:27 <solrize> browser?  can't i run x on it?
May 03 07:59:34 <koen> the bone can output 2048x2048, go wild :)
May 03 07:59:43 <koen> it runs X by default
May 03 07:59:49 <koen> and you can run a browser in X
May 03 08:00:00 <solrize> oh i see what you're saying
May 03 08:00:04 <solrize> i mostly want to run emacs
May 03 08:00:25 <solrize> but, if it can support higher res it shouldn't advertise 720 everywhere
May 03 08:00:25 <woglinde> lol
May 03 08:00:47 <levi> I think they didn't want to promise a high res that it performs poorly at.
May 03 08:00:55 * KotH pokes koen 
May 03 08:00:57 <m_billybob> docs i jus tread says 1280x1024 max, is that an OS limitation ? wouldnt think so but . . .
May 03 08:01:00 <KotH> koen: no chocolate for you!
May 03 08:01:01 <koen> chocolate!
May 03 08:01:13 <woglinde> nvidia claimed hdtv for tegra too and it was poor
May 03 08:01:16 <woglinde> ups tegra2
May 03 08:01:28 <KotH> koen: you havent answered my question ;)
May 03 08:01:38 <woglinde> hi koth
May 03 08:01:47 <KotH> moin woglinde
May 03 08:02:26 <koen> KotH: which question?
May 03 08:02:29 <koen> m_billybob: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/blob/3.8/patches/drm/0007-drm-tilcdc-add-TI-LCD-Controller-DRM-driver-v4.patch#L922
May 03 08:02:47 <joachimhs> Are the pin headers on the Beaglebone Black digital or analog ?
May 03 08:03:08 <koen> m_billybob: so you can set the max resolution in the DT if you want 2k x 2k
May 03 08:03:22 <panto> koen, it won't really work
May 03 08:03:26 <panto> pixel clock limit
May 03 08:03:39 <koen> 2k x 2k at 2Hz :)
May 03 08:03:43 <panto> lol :)
May 03 08:03:44 <m_billybob> ok cool wasnt arguing,m so a framebuffer limitation then in the current iteration of angstrom perhaps
May 03 08:03:46 <panto> ok, ok :)
May 03 08:03:55 <koen> m_billybob: kernel, not angstrom
May 03 08:04:27 <solrize> what is the situation with the graphics?  does it need binary blobs?
May 03 08:04:33 <_av500_> yes
May 03 08:04:38 <_av500_> sgx needs blobs
May 03 08:04:38 <KotH> koen: how good the software support for the lvds board is
May 03 08:04:52 <koen> KotH: board or bone?
May 03 08:04:58 <m_billybob> for current project using bbb CLI is all that needed, but would love to have a small eficient dev / remote debug system in the future
May 03 08:05:00 <KotH> bone
May 03 08:05:16 <koen> KotH: I don't know of any lvds board, so that means no support
May 03 08:05:36 <m_billybob> several on ebay
May 03 08:05:37 <KotH> koen: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_LVDS_LCD_Cape
May 03 08:05:43 <m_billybob> chinese seller ~$40
May 03 08:05:55 <m_billybob> lvds converter boards all day long
May 03 08:06:25 <smith_engr> really dumb question: if you power the BBB with USB does it still boot normally and will listen to keyboard and display over HDMI?
May 03 08:06:42 <KotH> koen: i guess, i have to ask chalk-elec directly then
May 03 08:07:12 <_av500_> wow, my sdcrd is fast: 3657433088 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 4.67313 s, 783 MB/s
May 03 08:07:26 <m_billybob> KotH search ebay lvds converter board . . . several listed on ebay.
May 03 08:07:31 <_av500_> until I realized it was not plugged in :(
May 03 08:07:47 <koen> KotH: nothing from chalk is supported, they just dump HW and don't care about sw
May 03 08:08:01 <_av500_> KotH: yeah, talk to chalk
May 03 08:08:03 <KotH> m_billybob: i'm not going to use a chinese el-cheapo board from ebay in a medical board, even if it's just a prototype
May 03 08:08:06 <KotH> koen: damn!
May 03 08:08:07 <KotH> koen: thanks!
May 03 08:08:21 <_av500_> KotH: grep panda logs for desparate chalk customers
May 03 08:08:43 <koen> KotH: but it shouldn't be hard to get the lvds board working, it might even work by pretending it's an dvi cape
May 03 08:08:51 <joachimhs> Are the pins labeled AIN0 through AIN6 analog pins?
May 03 08:09:00 <panto> joachimhs, yes
May 03 08:09:11 <m_billybob> oh for actual project, commercial type yeah hell no me either. TI has *some* lvds or similar chips on their site though . . .
May 03 08:09:23 <joachimhs> panto: cool
May 03 08:09:52 <KotH> m_billybob: most of the stuff i do is comercial... but this is a prototype for a small startup, so we are financially limited
May 03 08:10:12 <joachimhs> Are there any information on how to access these pins from the linxu distros?
May 03 08:10:26 <KotH> either we can get something quickly working with of the shelf components, or they have to look for another investor
May 03 08:13:15 <m_billybob> KotH, yeah sorry i do know there is a two chip TI solution but dont recall which, had a TI person come into #43oh one night and starting chatting about it . . . month or so ago. didnt strike me as a simple solution though either
May 03 08:14:38 <KotH> m_billybob: the problem is not about designing a board, the problem is that we dont have the money to do a pcb
May 03 08:15:07 <KotH> m_billybob: all we have money for is to plug things together and write some simple software
May 03 08:15:21 <m_billybob> super small budget eh
May 03 08:15:28 <KotH> juup
May 03 08:15:41 <KotH> as i said: startup
May 03 08:15:48 <m_billybob> should i even mention elecrow ? lol sorry couldnt resist
May 03 08:16:01 <solrize> i did something with some freescale board that i think had lvds
May 03 08:16:13 <solrize> it was less powerful than a bbb
May 03 08:16:27 <solrize> iirc it had a 350 mhz arm9 and 64mb of ram but it ran angstrom pretty well
May 03 08:17:07 <KotH> how much?
May 03 08:17:45 <_av500_> KotH: you can buy the chalk board
May 03 08:17:55 <_av500_> all they did was to put the TI LVDS chip
May 03 08:18:04 <_av500_> on a parallel LCD interface
May 03 08:18:09 <_av500_> there is nothing to set up
May 03 08:18:17 <KotH> _av500_: no driver change involved?
May 03 08:18:20 <_av500_> so, you dont really need their support
May 03 08:19:02 <KotH> hmm.. well.. i put it on the list, so we can buy and test it. if it doesnt work, the customer is going bancrupt :)
May 03 08:19:14 <_av500_> KotH: are we talking bone or beagle?
May 03 08:19:47 <KotH> _av500_: currently bone
May 03 08:19:48 <_av500_> ah ic
May 03 08:19:53 <_av500_> they made a bone version too
May 03 08:19:55 <_av500_> missed that
May 03 08:20:48 <_av500_> out of stock anyway
May 03 08:23:04 <m_billybob> tempted tp try out scrpt mining on the bbb lol
May 03 08:23:17 <m_billybob> might get a whole .5 kh/s
May 03 08:23:35 <solrize> lol
May 03 08:23:55 <solrize> there's a crypto accelerator in the sitara chip i think
May 03 08:24:00 <solrize> wonder if it does sha256
May 03 08:24:04 <panto> yeah, it does
May 03 08:24:10 * panto thinks it does 
May 03 08:24:15 <m_billybob> scrypt is different though
May 03 08:24:22 <m_billybob> not sha256
May 03 08:24:31 <KotH> panto: so it's muntion and you are not allowed to export it
May 03 08:24:50 <panto> the manual is export controlled, the linux source that uses it is not
May 03 08:24:51 <_av500_> KotH: why LVDS at all?
May 03 08:24:52 <panto> go figure
May 03 08:25:01 <_av500_> export control open source
May 03 08:25:10 <_av500_> that always works
May 03 08:25:35 <KotH> _av500_: external constraints
May 03 08:25:56 <KotH> _av500_: i would plug into it a cheap dvi tft, but well...
May 03 08:27:48 <_av500_> KotH: what display res?
May 03 08:28:10 <KotH> _av500_: uh.. dunno.. not too much
May 03 08:28:16 <vvu|Mobile> _av500_: should i insert a timeline of development for ROM booting ?
May 03 08:28:21 <_av500_> yes
May 03 08:28:22 <KotH> _av500_: it's a small control display with touchscreen
May 03 08:28:34 <_av500_> ah
May 03 08:28:35 <KotH> _av500_: kind of big buttons on a screen
May 03 08:28:41 <_av500_> ic
May 03 08:28:52 <KotH> nothing fancy or so..
May 03 08:29:02 <KotH> it's just they dont have any $$$
May 03 08:29:10 <_av500_> well, as koen said, making the lvds fake the dvi cape should be easy
May 03 08:29:22 <_av500_> and you get to hack dt :)
May 03 08:31:13 <KotH> *g*
May 03 08:31:22 <KotH> does DT solve money problems?
May 03 08:34:32 <_av500_> yes
May 03 08:34:34 <_av500_> asl panto
May 03 08:34:37 <_av500_> ask
May 03 08:34:39 <_av500_> it solved his
May 03 08:34:56 <panto> cco,money = "required";
May 03 08:37:13 <_av500_> is dd multithreaded these days?
May 03 08:39:10 <koen> _av500_: linaro optimized it, it now does 60fps instead of 30
May 03 08:39:17 <Jacmet> ;)
May 03 08:39:48 <_av500_> 3657433088 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 7.131 s, 513 MB/s
May 03 08:39:52 <_av500_> wtf is going on here?
May 03 08:40:06 <Jacmet> _av500_: ssd?
May 03 08:40:08 <ka6sox> _av500_, SSD?
May 03 08:40:11 <_av500_> no
May 03 08:40:14 <_av500_> micro sd
May 03 08:40:16 <ka6sox> RAID?
May 03 08:40:17 <Jacmet> heh
May 03 08:40:18 <ka6sox> huh
May 03 08:40:18 <_av500_> no
May 03 08:40:21 <ka6sox> nope
May 03 08:40:21 <_av500_> yes, huh
May 03 08:40:33 <_av500_> I have the feeling its all in buffer cache
May 03 08:40:38 <_av500_> but sync does nothing
May 03 08:40:42 <ka6sox> slirp
May 03 08:40:45 <_av500_> how do I get it written???
May 03 08:41:00 <ka6sox> sync...but that isn't
May 03 08:41:03 <Jacmet> _av500_: same performance with conv=fdatasync?
May 03 08:41:10 <_av500_> lets see
May 03 08:43:41 <_av500_> 3657433088 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 7.31809 s, 500 MB/s
May 03 08:43:45 <_av500_> wtf?
May 03 08:43:45 <woglinde> that was fast
May 03 08:43:48 <woglinde> hehe
May 03 08:43:52 <woglinde> md5sum
May 03 08:43:53 <woglinde> or so
May 03 08:44:13 <_av500_> i copied a movie to the card with dd
May 03 08:44:15 <_av500_> ejected it
May 03 08:44:16 <Jacmet> _av500_: clock off? your test took significantly longer than 7s
May 03 08:44:20 <woglinde> all bytes are 0
May 03 08:44:22 <_av500_> put it back
May 03 08:44:24 <_av500_> and it played
May 03 08:44:28 <_av500_> its crazy
May 03 08:44:29 <Jacmet> _av500_: funky
May 03 08:44:39 <_av500_> Jacmet: no, I did other things
May 03 08:44:40 * Jacmet wants one of those microsd's
May 03 08:44:46 <_av500_> yeah
May 03 08:44:48 <_av500_> its awesome
May 03 08:44:55 <_av500_> too bad fsk complains
May 03 08:44:58 <_av500_> fsck
May 03 08:45:01 <koen> how long did the eject take?
May 03 08:45:01 <Jacmet> :/
May 03 08:45:08 <_av500_> koen: sync takes 0s
May 03 08:45:17 <_av500_> samething is broke in suse 12.4
May 03 08:45:20 <_av500_> some
May 03 08:45:22 <woglinde> lol
May 03 08:46:17 <vvu|Mobile> _av500_: can you take a look on the update of my proposal? it's kinda short now but if needed i will elaborate more http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/ungureanuvladvictor/1001#
May 03 08:46:53 <_av500_> I will
May 03 08:46:59 <_av500_> did you check for the root stuff?
May 03 08:47:27 <vvu|Mobile> yes, there is an implementation of libusb that uses the android usb api
May 03 08:47:45 <vvu|Mobile> but here i think the problem are devices over android 2.3.1, not sure
May 03 08:47:50 <vvu|Mobile> which usb implementation they use
May 03 08:48:21 <vvu|Mobile> _av500_: https://github.com/SpecLad/libusb-android#readme
May 03 08:49:10 <_av500_> arf
May 03 08:49:15 <_av500_> something is fubar here
May 03 08:49:31 <letothe2nd> _av500_: more fubar than usual?
May 03 08:49:44 <KotH> _av500_: i have the same feeling
May 03 08:50:17 <ka6sox> whats more fubar than fubar?
May 03 08:50:22 <KotH> foobar
May 03 08:51:00 <_av500_> well, if I put an 8GB card, it gets reported as the previous 4GB one :/
May 03 08:51:06 <_av500_> frak
May 03 08:53:35 <_av500_> wtf, dmesg reports an 8gb card on sdb, fdisk says its 4GB
May 03 08:54:38 <_av500_> dmesg
May 03 08:54:41 <_av500_> grah
May 03 08:56:01 <XorA> not a SDHC compatible reader :-D
May 03 08:56:23 <_av500_> its the one I use all the time
May 03 08:56:46 <XorA> just bizarre then, I blame koen
May 03 08:58:42 <woglinde> uhm
May 03 08:58:49 <woglinde> bind mount
May 03 08:59:16 <woglinde> sd cards are sometimes worser than usb
May 03 09:00:52 <XorA> SD is a non scalable spec :-(
May 03 09:01:18 <XorA> its like a Bill Gates spec, no-one will ever need more than 2G of storage
May 03 09:01:51 <_av500_> well, it all worked before I upgraded the os on this laptop
May 03 09:01:58 <woglinde> lol
May 03 09:02:00 <_av500_> i knew that ws a mistake
May 03 09:02:05 <woglinde> blame the kernel
May 03 09:02:27 <woglinde> or blame suse for overpatching the kernel
May 03 09:17:24 <_av500_> sigh
May 03 09:17:27 <woglinde> ja
May 03 09:17:43 <_av500_> there is diff between what fdisk shows and what the kernel mounts
May 03 09:18:25 <_av500_> sdb1 has my data
May 03 09:18:31 <_av500_> sdb it self is all 0?
May 03 09:21:45 <_av500_> lol
May 03 09:21:48 <_av500_> I found it
May 03 09:22:12 <woglinde> tell us
May 03 09:22:16 <_av500_> hint: never have a file named sdb in /dev :)
May 03 09:22:33 <_av500_> now, where is that from?
May 03 09:22:39 <woglinde> loooooooolllll
May 03 09:22:49 <woglinde> I bet dd
May 03 09:22:51 * woglinde runs
May 03 09:22:54 <_av500_> yeah
May 03 09:23:21 <woglinde> ;)
May 03 09:23:34 <woglinde> you found it at least
May 03 09:23:42 <Jacmet> hah
May 03 09:23:51 <_av500_> so, it was my SDD
May 03 09:23:54 <_av500_> fast, eh? :)
May 03 09:24:00 <woglinde> yes
May 03 09:24:04 <woglinde> congrats
May 03 09:24:08 <_av500_> \o/
May 03 09:24:32 <koen> _av500_: isn't /dev tmpfs?
May 03 09:25:15 <woglinde> koen when you not reboot?
May 03 09:25:22 <_av500_> koen: it is
May 03 09:25:31 <_av500_> i have no idea how dd created that file there
May 03 09:25:46 <woglinde> check your command histroy
May 03 09:26:14 <_av500_> but its a nice trick to drive coworkers crazy
May 03 09:26:59 <_av500_> it melted: http://igloocommunity.org/pipermail/announce/2013-May/000043.html
May 03 09:28:18 <_av500_> woglinde: but now it takes soooooooooo long
May 03 09:28:23 <_av500_> I prefer my fast way
May 03 09:29:18 <woglinde> av500 I wonder how you played the movie
May 03 09:32:03 <_av500_> doh: 3657433088 bytes (3.7 GB) copied, 346.692 s, 10.5 MB/s
May 03 09:32:11 <_av500_> woglinde: well, it was saved locally
May 03 09:33:49 <woglinde> 10.5 is okay
May 03 09:39:17 <hustcalm> jkridner|work: hi, I have added focus on i2c, spi and uart to my proposal, you may want to have a look, https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/hustcalm/1
May 03 09:49:48 <mrpackethead> Researchers at Wake Forest University (NC, USA) and the University of Kentucky (KY, USA) have developed a reliable, semiconducting spray paint, which can be spread over a wide variety of flexible electronics. This organic compound, called triethylgermylethynyl-substituted anthradithiophene (!), seems to be inexpensive and efficient enough. Obviously, we're already thinking of state-of-the-art applications such
May 03 09:49:48 <mrpackethead>  as semiconducting art and makeup. Who's in?
May 03 09:50:46 <teralaser> what does it do ?
May 03 09:52:48 <_av500_> koen: running the flasher now, how do I know it is done?
May 03 09:56:23 <koen> _av500_: 4 LEDS constant on
May 03 09:57:55 <_av500_> hmm no
May 03 09:58:03 <_av500_> do I need to call emmc.sh manually?
May 03 09:59:14 <_av500_> ah, thats the end
May 03 09:59:15 <_av500_> ic
May 03 10:00:08 <koen> the LEDs are: heartbeart, mmc0, cpu0, mmc1
May 03 10:00:16 <koen> so you can check the activity
May 03 10:01:02 <_av500_> yes
May 03 10:01:22 <_av500_> ok, emmc.sh is running
May 03 10:01:25 <_av500_> so, wait
May 03 10:01:27 <_av500_> :)
May 03 10:08:48 <koen> _av500_: you can login over serial and do:
May 03 10:08:55 <koen> watch systemctl status emmc
May 03 10:09:07 <koen> that will show what process is running and the stdout
May 03 10:11:21 <KotH> mrpackethead: waht's the point of some semiconducting organic compound?
May 03 10:11:46 <mrpackethead> apparently you can spray it on stuff
May 03 10:12:02 <mrpackethead> its in all the jornals this week
May 03 10:43:24 <KotH> mrpackethead: welll... as long as you cannot dope it, there is no point in a semiconducting film
May 03 10:43:42 <KotH> mrpackethead: and before the do any semiconducting stuff, the should come up with one good conducting film
May 03 10:46:32 <rob_w> is the default u-boot on BBB @ 115200 baud ?
May 03 10:46:35 <woglinde> re
May 03 10:48:34 <Mountain> Hi
May 03 10:49:05 <Mountain> I'm searching for a spreadsheet of the P8/P9 header
May 03 11:01:32 <_av500_> in the SRM
May 03 11:05:14 <woglinde> whats SRM instead of TRM?
May 03 11:05:33 <_av500_> well
May 03 11:05:35 <mrpackethead> question about america
May 03 11:05:44 <mrpackethead> why would you buy a large coke
May 03 11:05:55 <woglinde> I do not buy coke
May 03 11:05:56 <mrpackethead> when you can buy a small coke and get unlimited refils?
May 03 11:06:07 <_av500_> lazy
May 03 11:06:12 <_av500_> refill means you have to get up
May 03 11:06:12 <bmercer> lol
May 03 11:06:18 <woglinde> bigger is better
May 03 11:06:21 <woglinde> thats america
May 03 11:06:24 <bmercer> that's what she said
May 03 11:06:48 <_av500_> mrpackethead: why buy a large house
May 03 11:06:52 <woglinde> bmercer what?
May 03 11:06:54 <_av500_> when you can be in one room at a time only
May 03 11:07:03 <bmercer> "bigger is better" <-- that's what she said
May 03 11:07:16 <woglinde> hm I think we didnt have it for a long time
May 03 11:07:24 <woglinde> "Because I can"
May 03 11:07:48 <woglinde> next topic
May 03 11:07:55 <woglinde> our daily rpi vs. bbb
May 03 11:08:32 <_av500_> koen: it works
May 03 11:08:33 * beng-nl pays attention
May 03 11:09:15 <woglinde> av500 of course its oe based
May 03 11:09:43 <mdp> mrpackethead, for the long commute?
May 03 11:10:39 <_av500_> take the long way home
May 03 11:10:52 * mdp is looking for free refills on new york strip, medium rare..still no restaurant like that
May 03 11:10:56 <_av500_> BBB killer: http://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/a10s-olinuxino-micro-4gb-developer-edition-is-in-stock/
May 03 11:11:09 <mdp> _av500_, lol
May 03 11:12:28 <mdp> xbmc
May 03 11:15:10 <woglinde> yeah mali
May 03 11:15:32 <CareBear\> I like that olimex board
May 03 11:21:18 <mrpackethead> that is a nice board in deed.
May 03 11:22:12 <mdp> CareBear\, have mine on order...their A13 micro is rock solid..one of my favorites
May 03 11:22:28 <CareBear\> bmercer : she tells me something else..
May 03 11:22:52 <CareBear\> mdp : keep enemies close etc.. :)
May 03 11:22:59 <CareBear\> eh, friends close
May 03 11:23:24 <mdp> fills a gap
May 03 11:24:00 <mdp> mind the gap
May 03 11:24:16 <_av500_> koen: gate one does not work for me in chrome
May 03 11:24:23 <_av500_> it says you are evil
May 03 11:25:09 <woglinde> av500 opensuse?
May 03 11:25:19 <mdp> _av500_, you can't conceal anything from google
May 03 11:26:43 <_av500_> woglinde: ?
May 03 11:26:44 <_av500_> yes
May 03 11:26:54 <_av500_> I mean the gate one ssh as served by the bone
May 03 11:28:17 <koen> _av500_: iirc that's because the date on the bone points to the year 2000
May 03 11:28:33 <mru> and who cares?
May 03 11:28:42 <mru> it's not running kerberos, is it?
May 03 11:29:04 <_av500_> koen: no
May 03 11:29:10 <_av500_> The webpage at https://beaglebone.local/auth?next=%2F has resulted in too many redirects
May 03 11:29:58 <_av500_> h
May 03 11:29:59 <_av500_> ah
May 03 11:30:05 <_av500_> I need to click set date
May 03 11:30:14 <_av500_> why is the date not set in the factory?
May 03 11:30:23 <_av500_> want my money back
May 03 11:30:44 <_av500_> wow, 9k6 feeling
May 03 11:30:46 <koen> _av500_: not battery for RTC
May 03 11:30:50 <koen> no*
May 03 11:30:50 <woglinde> av500 check logs I think koen already explained it
May 03 11:31:25 <woglinde> but I think koen made nasty hack to save date at shutdown or so
May 03 11:34:07 <koen> woglinde: I removed that
May 03 11:34:15 <koen> the date will be wrong
May 03 11:34:34 <koen> so it won't matter if it's a month wrong of years, it's still wrong
May 03 11:35:15 <koen> if your dhcp server gives ntp server addresses to the client connman will automatically do a quick ntp sync
May 03 11:37:00 <woglinde> koen hm and when ntp says the date is off to much
May 03 11:37:10 <woglinde> or forced ntpdate?
May 03 11:37:44 <woglinde> hm I love jenkins
May 03 11:38:06 <mru> koen: what cares about the clocks being synced?
May 03 11:38:12 <mru> and how much deviation does it tolerate?
May 03 11:38:51 <koen> mru: https certs
May 03 11:38:59 <mru> huh?
May 03 11:39:02 <koen> gateone uses https
May 03 11:39:08 <mru> are you generating a cert on bootup?
May 03 11:39:36 <koen> on first connect and it seems to use the date from the browser
May 03 11:39:50 <koen> I tracked it down to certs and then having the wrong time
May 03 11:39:54 <mru> why not set the expiry to something far in the future?
May 03 11:39:54 <koen> then I stopped caring :)
May 03 11:40:27 <mru> when is the next apocalypse due?
May 03 11:40:58 <tsjsieb> monday I guess
May 03 11:41:20 <woglinde> 31.12.2012
May 03 11:42:13 <woglinde> mru hm we should counting how many after av500 comes up with this question
May 03 11:52:23 <smith_engr> how far is an 'arduino' implementation from happening on the BBB PRUs?
May 03 11:52:56 <mru> if you want an arduino, why don't you buy an arduino?
May 03 11:53:03 <mru> they're still sold, right?
May 03 11:53:31 <mdp> a gating factor would a publicly available C compiler for PRU
May 03 11:53:38 <mru> emulation is useful for things that either don't exist yet or no longer exist
May 03 11:53:42 * mdp waits for mru to explode about PRU/C
May 03 11:53:50 <_av500_> PRU++
May 03 11:53:54 <mru> mdp: and I maintain that a C compiler for PRU defeats the purpose
May 03 11:53:56 <smith_engr> for all the reasons the PRUs are there
May 03 11:54:04 * mru does not dare disappoint mdp
May 03 11:54:44 <mdp> I can count on you
May 03 11:55:17 <smith_engr> i guess, enlighten me... i want to implement a highly reliable controller using the PRU to interact with hardware
May 03 11:55:45 <smith_engr> from where the current implementation is done with arduino
May 03 11:56:05 <jackmitchell> smith_engr: it would maybe be easier to use an audrino, and implement an spi slave which the bone can then whip data from
May 03 11:56:42 <jackmitchell> assuming you want a real time controller and an ARM to do some heavy processing
May 03 11:57:25 <smith_engr> spi slave is implemented on the pru?
May 03 11:57:32 <_av500_> I still fail to see why a 1GHZ ARM cannot do what a small AVR  can
May 03 11:57:59 <jackmitchell> no, implement an SPI slave on the audrino and then talk to it over spi from the bone
May 03 11:58:31 <mru> _av500_: obvious troll is obvious
May 03 11:59:02 <mdp> we cannot mainline patches which are not mainline
May 03 11:59:04 <smith_engr> give me a good use case of a PRU
May 03 11:59:12 <jackmitchell> smith_engr: bitbanging
May 03 11:59:16 <mru> smith_engr: realtime stuff
May 03 11:59:22 <_av500_> real banging
May 03 11:59:26 <mdp> mru, circular logic day?
May 03 11:59:42 <mru> things that need fast response times or accurate timing
May 03 11:59:56 <_av500_> there is fast_memcpy()
May 03 12:02:27 <mdp> should have put faster_memcpy() as a gsoc suggestion
May 03 12:10:05 <smith_engr> Some confusion. 'assuming you want a real-time controller with arm to do heavy processing' the suggestion is to integrate with an external arduino
May 03 12:10:27 <smith_engr> PRU is for 'bitbanging' 'realtime stuff'
May 03 12:11:00 <smith_engr> why not dedicate a PRU as a controller and use the shared memory to communicate?
May 03 12:11:01 <crashovrd> real-time means deterministic operation, not "runs really fast"
May 03 12:11:25 <smith_engr> PID is deterministic
May 03 12:11:35 <crashovrd> linux normally does not have deterministic operation
May 03 12:12:01 <smith_engr> Read value1 -> operation -> output value2
May 03 12:12:02 <mru> someone recently ran some tests on linux and measured >10ms with interrupts disabled
May 03 12:12:43 <mru> that's enough that you might notice it in interactive use
May 03 12:15:56 <smith_engr> so then yes... you would gain a lot of response time with a PID loop implemented on the pru
May 03 12:16:13 <_av500_> of course
May 03 12:17:30 <crashovrd> you can also just use a RTOS
May 03 12:17:37 <smith_engr> I am just trying to feel if that is an appropriate idea
May 03 12:18:07 <mru> crashovrd: the a8 core itself might not be suitable for realtime tasks
May 03 12:18:16 <mru> way too many things that are hard to predict
May 03 12:18:35 <mru> it's optimised for throughput, not determinism
May 03 12:19:11 <crashovrd> given the same input, you will get the same output
May 03 12:19:12 <_av500_> hmm, wasnt there an M3 on the bone too?
May 03 12:19:14 <crashovrd> so its deterministic
May 03 12:19:18 <koen> _av500_: there is
May 03 12:19:28 <_av500_> koen: what does it do?
May 03 12:19:39 <mru> crashovrd: there are so many input parameters that you can't meaningfully make such a statement
May 03 12:20:20 <bradfa> moaning channel
May 03 12:20:47 <_av500_> koen: so, instead of mucking around in omap_mux, one mucks around in /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl?
May 03 12:20:53 <crashovrd> isnt that like saying there are so many seed values, than you cant say rand is deterministic?
May 03 12:21:06 <crashovrd> given the same input, the output is the same
May 03 12:21:09 <bradfa> who's using rand()?
May 03 12:21:17 * _av500_ uses 4
May 03 12:21:32 <bradfa> seed it with another rand() call, that makes it more random
May 03 12:22:01 <_av500_> triple rand()
May 03 12:22:03 <bradfa> I attempted to explain why `rand() % 3072` was a bad idea...
May 03 12:22:05 <_av500_> NSA approved
May 03 12:22:15 <bradfa> double rot13
May 03 12:22:16 <koen> _av500_: no pinctrl write support in debugfs
May 03 12:22:29 <koen> _av500_: load a different dtbo if you want a different mux
May 03 12:22:37 <_av500_> is that what bonescript does?
May 03 12:22:52 <crashovrd> if arm was not deterministic, it would be a boon for security since it would be implied to be its own source of entropy
May 03 12:23:07 <mru> define what you mean by deterministic
May 03 12:23:17 <crashovrd> same input = same output
May 03 12:23:19 <crashovrd> always
May 03 12:23:21 <crashovrd> forever
May 03 12:23:22 <mru> define input
May 03 12:23:23 <crashovrd> on mine
May 03 12:23:24 <crashovrd> on yours
May 03 12:23:26 <koen> _av500_: dunno, I have a dtbo for all the things I work on, no idea on how to switch it at runtime
May 03 12:23:35 <_av500_> koen: inst that what bonescript does?
May 03 12:23:39 <_av500_> pinMode fo?
May 03 12:23:41 <_av500_> foo
May 03 12:23:42 <mru> if you mean running a given program on a given set of data, you'll get the same output, then yes
May 03 12:23:53 <mru> but _when_ you get the output is very hard to say with any accuracy
May 03 12:23:54 <_av500_> we are talking IRQ response times
May 03 12:27:30 <panto> _av500_, there is runtime pinmux switch mode support in pinmux-helper
May 03 12:27:45 <panto> _av500_, check out the tester cape
May 03 12:28:27 <_av500_> panto: tester cape does not google
May 03 12:28:41 <panto> check the firmware/capes directory of the kernel
May 03 12:29:45 <_av500_> cape-bone-pinmux-test-00A0.dts
May 03 12:29:47 <_av500_> this?
May 03 12:31:30 <panto> firmware/capes/cape-bone-tester-00A0.dts
May 03 12:31:40 <panto> checkout out fragment@4
May 03 12:31:46 <panto> compatible = "bone-pinmux-helper"
May 03 12:32:00 <_av500_> not in my kernel src
May 03 12:32:19 <panto> k, let me paste it
May 03 12:32:23 <_av500_> guess I need to frankenpatch a newer one
May 03 12:32:30 <_av500_> thx
May 03 12:32:52 <panto> http://pastebin.com/2tgzhkfV
May 03 12:33:10 <panto> you should be able to figure out what it does
May 03 12:33:49 <mdp> panto, not your most complex driver work ever ;)
May 03 12:33:50 <_av500_> you think highly of me
May 03 12:33:57 <panto> nope
May 03 12:34:11 <panto> _av500_, I do, you're a ally against you know who
May 03 12:34:14 <panto> ...
May 03 12:34:17 <panto> say no more
May 03 12:34:19 <_av500_> :)
May 03 12:34:46 <mdp> panto, did linusw's pinmux debug interface stuff not work for this?
May 03 12:35:04 <mdp> or this is cleaner given the dtbo feature, perhaps
May 03 12:35:04 <panto> it might work
May 03 12:35:21 <_av500_> so pinmux-helpe isa kernel driver?
May 03 12:35:39 <panto> but a) this is cleaner from a DT perspective, b) it wasn't ready when we were doing it our way
May 03 12:35:43 <panto> _av500_, yes
May 03 12:35:50 <panto> a very small driver
May 03 12:35:59 <mdp> panto, yeah, I was thinking they probably crossed paths
May 03 12:36:01 <_av500_> panto: I have the latest bone image flashed
May 03 12:36:10 <panto> it uses pinmux interfaces that already there
May 03 12:36:12 <panto> *are
May 03 12:36:13 <_av500_> and I am trying to figure out how bonescript pinmuxes
May 03 12:36:27 <panto> it should use that
May 03 12:36:32 <_av500_> this pinmux-helper is not there
May 03 12:36:45 <_av500_> or I am blind
May 03 12:36:53 <mdp> that one http://lwn.net/Articles/545790/ for those following along at home
May 03 12:37:00 <panto> bonescript might compile the dtc and insert it online
May 03 12:37:09 <panto> ask jason
May 03 12:37:21 <panto> he was the guy that ask for it originally
May 03 12:38:08 <_av500_> ah
May 03 12:38:11 <_av500_> I see what it does
May 03 12:38:18 <_av500_> it tries omap_mux
May 03 12:38:27 <_av500_> and if that fails, it tries the helper
May 03 12:38:30 <_av500_> says the comment :)
May 03 12:38:32 <_av500_> not the code
May 03 12:38:37 <panto> hehe
May 03 12:38:47 <_av500_>  // Don't exit yet --- need to try using pinmux-helper with devicetree // ... and it might work if the pin is already muxed to 7
May 03 12:39:12 <_av500_> and if the mode is not 7 it fails
May 03 12:39:23 <_av500_> so basically, it does not work
May 03 12:40:03 * panto shrugs 
May 03 12:40:09 * panto points at jason 
May 03 12:40:13 <_av500_> yes
May 03 12:40:15 <_av500_> np
May 03 12:40:26 <_av500_> just wanted to see the just-in-time dt magic
May 03 12:40:30 <_av500_> I guess I need to wait
May 03 12:40:31 <mdp> panto, would be nice to get that patch in an update..since it restores omap_mux-like functionality for those that prefer that.
May 03 12:40:41 <panto> I guess so
May 03 12:40:51 <panto> most complaints are about that
May 03 12:41:11 <_av500_> I guess somebody will write a /dev/mem wrapper
May 03 12:41:14 <_av500_> :)
May 03 12:41:58 <_av500_> panto: if I e.g. remux SPI to GPIO
May 03 12:42:02 <_av500_> but somebody has SPI open
May 03 12:42:06 <_av500_> what happens?
May 03 12:42:29 <mdp> panto, anyway, I've now mentioned it 3 different times to those that are empowered wrt beagle kernels, my work here is done ;)
May 03 12:42:32 <panto> you can't with pinctl
May 03 12:42:39 <_av500_> no
May 03 12:42:45 <_av500_> with bdtbo
May 03 12:42:47 <_av500_> dtbo
May 03 12:42:48 <_av500_> bdsm
May 03 12:42:51 <bradfa> bsd?
May 03 12:42:55 <_av500_> that newfangled stuff
May 03 12:42:56 <bmercer> looks like the MLO and u-boot are different for beaglebone and beaglebone black
May 03 12:43:07 <bmercer> where can I DL MLO and uboot for the black?
May 03 12:43:15 <bradfa> git.denx.de?
May 03 12:43:15 <panto> ok, if you use the normal method of having the driver request the pinctrl resources
May 03 12:43:31 <panto> if another tries to grab it it will fail
May 03 12:43:50 <panto> if you don't have a pinctl in your device node
May 03 12:44:01 <panto> and use the pinmux-helper it will be allowed
May 03 12:44:21 <bmercer> Are there compiled versions?
May 03 12:44:22 <_av500_> ic
May 03 12:44:51 <panto> so, pinmux will help you not shoot your foot normally
May 03 12:44:59 <bradfa> bmercer, extract them from official images is the only compiled versions I know of
May 03 12:45:22 <bmercer> bradfa: can I get them from the one onboard?
May 03 12:45:29 <jackmitchell> bmercer: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
May 03 12:46:16 <bmercer> am I mistaken that the BB and BBB use different uboot and MLO?
May 03 12:46:18 <_av500_> make CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux- am335x_evm
May 03 12:46:22 <_av500_> bmercer: you are
May 03 12:46:33 <_av500_> they work for both
May 03 12:46:33 <bmercer> hrmmm, then I didn't see uboot come up over hdmi
May 03 12:46:39 <koen> bmercer: uboot and MLO are the same for white and black
May 03 12:46:40 <_av500_> of course not
May 03 12:46:47 <_av500_> there is no hdmi driverin uboot
May 03 12:46:50 <bmercer> ok
May 03 12:46:58 <bmercer> so how do I tell it to boot of sdcard ?
May 03 12:47:08 <_av500_> hold that button
May 03 12:47:13 <_av500_> and power cycle
May 03 12:47:18 <bmercer> ahhhh ok :)
May 03 12:47:24 <bmercer> obviously I didn't rtfm enough
May 03 12:47:33 <_av500_> I was to scold you
May 03 12:47:44 <bmercer> S2 down by the sdcard?
May 03 12:48:20 <_av500_> yes
May 03 12:48:23 <mirceag> hello guys, how do you feel about a last minute gsoc project proposal? is it worthwhile or am I just wasting my time?
May 03 12:48:32 <_av500_> depends
May 03 12:48:37 <_av500_> is it awesome?
May 03 12:48:38 <bmercer> so then long term it needs to be installed to the onboard flash so that it will reboot properly
May 03 12:48:38 <mirceag> I was interested in the android relate
May 03 12:48:43 <mirceag> related stuff
May 03 12:49:27 <mirceag> but I've seen that victor ungureanu has a really solid proposal for the android "bootloader"
May 03 12:49:36 <_av500_> indeed
May 03 12:49:51 <bmercer> ok, openbsd is running on the black now :)
May 03 12:50:04 <_av500_> with usb drivers?
May 03 12:50:17 <crashovrd> with 3d and hdmi audio?
May 03 12:50:27 <mirceag> there's still the android integration with armstrong
May 03 12:50:39 <bmercer> we have usb drivers and ethernet
May 03 12:50:44 <mirceag> but I don't really have any x11 experience
May 03 12:50:45 <bmercer> maybe I can get it in tree today
May 03 12:51:07 <_av500_> mirceag: there are proposals for that too
May 03 12:52:20 <mirceag> the project was proposed for the 2012 edition, am I right?
May 03 12:52:48 <mirceag> the one trying to integrate android with armstrong
May 03 12:53:19 <koen> doping scandal?
May 03 12:54:00 <_av500_> koen: that was videolan
May 03 12:55:18 <bmercer> so if I don't have my uenv setup properly there is no way to pass in commands to uboot
May 03 12:55:31 <koen> bmercer: interupt it at boot
May 03 12:55:50 <koen> press any key during the countdown
May 03 12:56:20 <bmercer> I can't see the countdown
May 03 12:56:34 <bmercer> or you're saying just hold the space bar or something
May 03 12:57:02 <slug> hi, is there a way of subscribing to the beagle mailing list without using a google mail address?
May 03 12:57:13 <jackmitchell> slug: it sounds like you could do with an FTDI serial cable
May 03 12:57:26 <jackmitchell> s/slug/bmercer
May 03 12:58:20 <bmercer> not on the black?
May 03 12:58:22 <bmercer> oh
May 03 12:58:28 <bmercer> yes, I get you
May 03 12:58:32 <slug> i tried to send an email to beagleboard+subscribe@ , but i receive a "confirmation" email that sends me to a generic google groups subscribe page, which requires google email address.
May 03 12:59:43 <koen> it doesn't require a google email address
May 03 12:59:58 <koen> it requires a google account associated with your email address
May 03 13:03:20 <slug> koen: well, which ends up being the same, i need to have a google account (g email address) to subscribe, I know that I can then use a different email to receive/post, just find it annoying that first requirement.
May 03 13:05:07 <mru> koen: can we make the default image require users to sign in with their facebook account?
May 03 13:05:38 <slug> mru: that's a joke right? :)
May 03 13:05:44 <_av500_> slug: you dont need a gmail address
May 03 13:05:47 <_av500_> but a google account
May 03 13:05:52 <mru> is it friday?
May 03 13:06:38 <koen> mru: sure
May 03 13:08:55 <jackmitchell> Having a good old Friday giggle at the Phoronix comments
May 03 13:09:06 <jackmitchell> this one in particular caught my eye
May 03 13:09:14 <jackmitchell> Their focus should really be to make 100% sure there is unified support for the ARMv8 architecture from day one of ARMv8 chips coming to market.
May 03 13:09:15 <jackmitchell> Just forget about ARMv7 and ARMv6. With the exception of Cortex 15 and S800, most of the other chips are too slow for Linux anyway, and they won't be used much in the future, so why bother getting unified support for ARMv7? Just get the support you need for specific chips that are very popular, like the Raspberry Pi (ARMv6), and Tegra 3 I guess, since it's in Nexus 7, and I've seen it's used by quite a few with Linux on it.
May 03 13:10:11 <mru> 32-bit v8 isn't all that different from v7
May 03 13:10:54 <bradfa> mru, it's one more cylinder, but not as balanced as a straight-6
May 03 13:11:09 <mru> bradfa: ?
May 03 13:11:12 <mru> oh
May 03 13:11:14 <bradfa> :)
May 03 13:11:19 <XorA> bradfa: :-D
May 03 13:12:34 <bmercer> http://www.adafruit.com/products/954?gclid=CKXwusSA-rYCFc1DMgodsjgAZg
May 03 13:12:45 <bmercer> will this work like a normal usb->serial device?
May 03 13:13:06 <_av500_> yes
May 03 13:13:21 <bmercer> so I can take a normal usb cable and cut it and make one?
May 03 13:13:25 <mdp> bradfa, LOL!
May 03 13:13:26 <_av500_> no
May 03 13:13:27 <bmercer> or is there other stuff in the plug
May 03 13:13:33 <_av500_> bmercer: of course there is stuff in the plug
May 03 13:13:36 <bmercer> ok
May 03 13:13:39 <_av500_> usb is not serial
May 03 13:13:41 <jackmitchell> bmercer: magic in the plug
May 03 13:13:51 <bradfa> _av500_, usb is serial, it's universal too!
May 03 13:13:56 <koen> bradfa: your comments remind me how much I hated calculating cos(phi) for my EE coursework
May 03 13:14:02 <mdp> bradfa, curious on the cylinder firing order and timing balance on a v7 ;)
May 03 13:14:09 <bradfa> balance! ha!
May 03 13:14:14 <mdp> :)
May 03 13:14:17 <_av500_> mdp: why?
May 03 13:14:24 <_av500_> just arranges them all 360/7 apart
May 03 13:14:27 <_av500_> -s
May 03 13:14:32 <bradfa> the germans are probably the only ones who can figure it out
May 03 13:14:35 <mdp> yep
May 03 13:14:40 <_av500_> there a 3cyl engines
May 03 13:14:49 <bradfa> 'mericans can only do even numbered cylinders
May 03 13:14:55 <XorA> I have driven a 3 cylinder
May 03 13:15:04 <bradfa> XorA, was it german or japanese?
May 03 13:15:07 <XorA> was the skoda I learned to drive in
May 03 13:15:08 <mdp> I had a v7 back in high school...because the one ring was shot and it usually didn't fire
May 03 13:15:15 <mdp> shaky shaky
May 03 13:15:17 <bmercer> so, what's the chip in the cable, uftdi?
May 03 13:15:20 <XorA> bradfa: skoda is I think VW?
May 03 13:15:24 <bradfa> now, yes
May 03 13:15:24 <shapr> I just had a long conversation about angle and number of cylinders with my friend last month.
May 03 13:15:30 <_av500_> bmercer: no
May 03 13:15:33 <_av500_> horrific
May 03 13:15:58 <bmercer> I'm just trying to figure out if it will work on an openbsd host
May 03 13:16:06 <_av500_> ah
May 03 13:16:10 <_av500_> prolific
May 03 13:16:10 <bmercer> without too much hacking
May 03 13:16:18 <_av500_> but there are also ftdi drivers
May 03 13:16:19 <Crofton|work> I used to own a car with thtree cylinders
May 03 13:16:20 <XorA> heh I guess actually my car was three cyclinder when I got it as well, one coil was busted!
May 03 13:16:24 <_av500_> er, cables
May 03 13:16:53 <bmercer> PL-2303?
May 03 13:16:57 <_av500_> yes
May 03 13:17:00 <_av500_> that prolific
May 03 13:17:02 <Crofton|work> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Justy
May 03 13:17:03 <bmercer> we do support that
May 03 13:17:07 <bradfa> justy!
May 03 13:17:07 <_av500_> btw, no cylinder ftw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine
May 03 13:17:35 <shapr> _av500_: Technically it still has two combustion chambers, the navy's new continuous combustion engine is the way to go.
May 03 13:17:49 <bradfa> rockets have continuous combustion, too
May 03 13:17:51 <bmercer> hrmm hrmm hrmmm
May 03 13:18:04 <bradfa> and justin beiber cut-outs
May 03 13:18:05 <mru> _av500_: didn't mazda use a wankel engine in one of their cars?
May 03 13:18:13 <mirceag> them cylinders are called rotors on the wankel if i remember correctly
May 03 13:18:14 <bradfa> mru, yes, lots of them
May 03 13:18:24 <bradfa> also bit on motorcycles
May 03 13:18:25 <shapr> mru: Yah, the RX7 was the popular wankel
May 03 13:18:25 <mirceag> you, rx7, rx8
May 03 13:18:31 <mirceag> yop, rx7, rx8
May 03 13:18:43 <jackmitchell> I can't take all this talk of wankel seriously
May 03 13:18:44 <shapr> bradfa: wankel motorcycles? really?
May 03 13:18:44 <mdp> yep plenty of wankels around
May 03 13:18:58 <bradfa> shapr, that's what I'm lead to beleive
May 03 13:18:59 <mdp> and yet, wankel is almost as funny as dongle
May 03 13:19:04 <mdp> like a friday conversation
May 03 13:19:11 <bradfa> my wankel dongle isn't universal
May 03 13:19:27 <jackmitchell> ice cream van friday, yay!
May 03 13:19:38 <XorA> with conversations like this people will get thrown out and lose their jobs ;-)
May 03 13:19:40 <shapr> The wankel has more 'admin overhead' than the standard internal combustion, but less overhead per 'slice' added, so I would have expected large powerful cars to be built with the wankel.
May 03 13:19:45 <mdp> bradfa, time to hit the napdesk pillow and forget about wankel dongles
May 03 13:19:55 <bradfa> sleepy sleepy :)
May 03 13:19:57 * shapr shrugs
May 03 13:20:02 * bradfa gets back to msp430 madness
May 03 13:20:09 * shapr goes back to beaglebone black madness
May 03 13:20:21 * jackmitchell goes back to his 99
May 03 13:20:46 <shapr> So, does the bonescript set values in /proc or what? Can I write Python scripts to do the same GPIO pin state changes?
May 03 13:20:52 * panto goes to read gsoc madness
May 03 13:21:14 <panto> shapr, sysfs
May 03 13:21:39 <shapr> panto: So I can echo 1 > /A8/13 or something?
May 03 13:21:48 <panto> yes
May 03 13:21:52 <panto> after you get muxing right
May 03 13:22:04 <mirceag> you can also do it on your android phone
May 03 13:22:05 <_av500_> which is easy peasy
May 03 13:22:09 <bmercer> I wonder if there is a way to source one of those cables locally
May 03 13:22:11 <mirceag> toggle stuff around from sysfs
May 03 13:22:16 <bmercer> if it's something microcenter would have
May 03 13:22:17 <_av500_> bmercer: locally?
May 03 13:22:19 <bmercer> radio shack
May 03 13:22:37 <shapr> For post-work weirdness, here's a link to the Navy's rotating detonation-wave engines research: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012/11/rdwe-20121102.html
May 03 13:22:38 <_av500_> us?
May 03 13:22:41 <_av500_> ah
May 03 13:22:46 <_av500_> locally as in walk there
May 03 13:22:49 <bmercer> _av500_: yup, i'm in NE ohio
May 03 13:23:00 <_av500_> mdp is in ohio, no?
May 03 13:23:04 <bmercer> or drive and get it because I'm working from home today if you catch my drift ;)
May 03 13:23:10 <bmercer> mdp?
May 03 13:23:10 <shapr> panto: Er, is there someplace I can read up on why muxing is a problem?
May 03 13:23:32 <_av500_> bmercer: there are some nokia cables that are basically usb2 serial
May 03 13:23:41 <_av500_> your local shack might have them in the "odd" bin
May 03 13:23:53 <_av500_> shapr: todays backlog
May 03 13:23:56 <shapr> ok, thanks
May 03 13:24:28 <shapr> Oh that is helpful!
May 03 13:24:39 <Alex______> hi, i'm trying to use beaglebone to capture audio from i2s. Do you know how can i proceed to do it ?
May 03 13:25:13 <_av500_> what is the source?
May 03 13:25:16 <mdp> bmercer, yep, wadsworth, west of akron
May 03 13:25:34 <mirceag> since I'm not going to get accepted on a gsoc project, I think I'll buy a bone black and tinker with it. Does anyone know when will Farnell have them in stock? I must mention I'm from europe
May 03 13:25:35 <bmercer> that's right by me
May 03 13:25:40 <mdp> where you at?
May 03 13:25:47 <_av500_> mirceag: digikey has them
May 03 13:25:47 <bmercer> near cleveland
May 03 13:25:58 <_av500_> or e.g. conrad in germany
May 03 13:26:02 <_av500_> or france
May 03 13:26:07 <_av500_> see the list
May 03 13:26:09 <_av500_> pick one
May 03 13:26:11 <jackmitchell> mirceag: farnell told me 2 weeks 1 week ago
May 03 13:26:13 <mdp> bmercer, cool, I have to head to the big city there sometimes for entertainment purposes ;)
May 03 13:26:25 <jackmitchell> mirceag: depends how desperate you are to get one
May 03 13:26:26 <bmercer> mdp: I'm more specifically in Mantua
May 03 13:27:05 <mirceag> jackmitchell: not that desperate
May 03 13:27:22 <mdp> bmercer, we're practically neighbors ;)
May 03 13:27:28 <_av500_> hug
May 03 13:27:30 <jackmitchell> mirceag: well if you like farnell they'll have them in a week (supposedly)
May 03 13:27:35 <bmercer> from an internet perspective we're far too close!
May 03 13:27:41 <mdp> bmercer, cbrake is also local to us, fwiw
May 03 13:27:48 <mdp> group hug!
May 03 13:27:49 <bmercer> do they have those cables?
May 03 13:28:15 <shapr> Any beaglers in the southeast USA? Near/in Alabama?
May 03 13:28:59 <mdp> bmercer, which cable?
May 03 13:29:04 <_av500_> usb2serious
May 03 13:29:06 <bmercer> the usb ttl
May 03 13:29:26 <_av500_> mdp: maybe the BBB should have an FTDI on board :)
May 03 13:29:27 <mdp> I generally order everything, but you might call philcap in downtown akron
May 03 13:29:51 <mdp> _av500_, I think it should have everything on board...and be $299
May 03 13:30:10 <_av500_> mdp: not enough for the 4k display
May 03 13:30:18 <_av500_> and the nuclear battery
May 03 13:30:30 <mdp> add a bcm2835 coproc for 1080p
May 03 13:30:37 <_av500_> and an AVR
May 03 13:30:38 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/YWZTyg
May 03 13:30:38 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 419e44c Koen Kooi: 3.8: camera and hdmi audio improvements...
May 03 13:30:56 <_av500_> and a gun detector
May 03 13:30:59 <_av500_> gun shot
May 03 13:31:05 <mdp> bmercer, philcap is the only serious electronics retailer for non-mainstream stuff I know of in this area
May 03 13:31:13 <bmercer> never heard of them
May 03 13:31:18 <bmercer> I'll just order it
May 03 13:31:35 <mdp> yeah, I'm a slave to amazon prime
May 03 13:31:47 <mdp> or the .cn express for non-time critical things
May 03 13:31:47 <Alex______> hi, i'm trying to use beaglebone to capture audio from i2s. Do you know how can i proceed to do it ?
May 03 13:31:49 <bmercer> _av500_: the lack of a standard serial interface on board is a little painful
May 03 13:31:58 <bmercer> but I see why you didn't do usb->serial
May 03 13:32:11 <mdp> bmercer, it was a cost reduction thing
May 03 13:32:19 <bmercer> yes and power
May 03 13:32:46 <mdp> but mostly the target was cost..I can assure you of that..having been the proverbial fly on the wall during those discussions
May 03 13:33:02 <mdp> *cough* rpi
May 03 13:33:22 <bmercer> I'd gladly pay 50 dollars instead of 45
May 03 13:33:32 <bmercer> to not have to pay 17 bucks including shipping for the cable
May 03 13:33:33 <bmercer> OR
May 03 13:33:38 <bmercer> just include the freaking cable
May 03 13:33:46 <shapr> I do hope the next version of the beaglebone will use a micro-b usb plug.
May 03 13:34:00 <mdp> I had this perspective where it made me happy to have the header for UART0
May 03 13:34:03 <jackmitchell> is there no way to wire out a uart to get regular serial?
May 03 13:34:13 <jackmitchell> mdp :)
May 03 13:34:15 <bmercer> jackmitchell: that's what it seems
May 03 13:34:46 <mdp> I prefer real rs-232..and the original beaglebone is a s/w management pita when using the rs-232 capes..cause I need a custom u-boot and dts patch to use uart4
May 03 13:34:58 <bmercer> yes
May 03 13:34:59 <bmercer> that too
May 03 13:35:19 <agmlego> bmercer: You can get "real serial" by using a MAX3232.
May 03 13:35:34 <mdp> they figure the hobbyists will deal with a serial songle
May 03 13:35:43 <bmercer> I've got LOTS of serial crap
May 03 13:35:51 <bmercer> I don't have a usb cable with serial chip in it
May 03 13:36:06 <mru> always keep a few of those on your desk
May 03 13:36:13 <mru> and level shifters
May 03 13:36:15 <agmlego> bmercer: Then I recommend the FTDI Friend from Sparkfun.
May 03 13:36:22 <agmlego> Or six, they are cheap.
May 03 13:36:22 <mdp> bmercer, you could get everything for real rs-232 over at philcap ;)
May 03 13:36:39 <bmercer> mdp: ok, link or it didn't happen
May 03 13:37:10 <mdp> l hav
May 03 13:37:27 <mirceag> bmercer: do you have a samung phone? they usually have a usb mux so you can get uart through the usb port
May 03 13:37:28 <mdp> https://plus.google.com/101074383993121449513/about?gl=us&hl=en
May 03 13:38:23 <bmercer> no, no phone :(
May 03 13:38:29 <bmercer> got smashed on a recent bike ride
May 03 13:38:44 <mdp> bmercer, if they don't have a usb->ttl, I know they have max3232 or equiv, breadboard, dsub 9s, etc.
May 03 13:39:25 <mdp> bike down to market st. :) it looks like a war-time bunker like all good low-rent district store fronts
May 03 13:39:33 <bmercer> lol
May 03 13:39:43 <bmercer> I was down at bridgestone the other day
May 03 13:39:44 <bmercer> sheesh
May 03 13:41:55 <bmercer> ok, so usb->serial->wires
May 03 13:41:59 <bmercer> I have that in my basement ;)
May 03 13:58:43 <xenoxaos> bmercer: where are you from?
May 03 14:21:49 <bmercer> ohio
May 03 14:24:18 <KotH> zürich
May 03 14:55:32 <bender> anyone used beagle black for i2c yet?
May 03 14:56:37 <koen> works the same as white
May 03 14:57:16 <cmicali> BBB on hacker news today https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5648602
May 03 14:58:10 <bender> i'm having a timeout issue
May 03 14:58:51 <bender> and the manual states that those pins must have the pullup resistors activated in order to avoid the timeout error
May 03 14:59:42 <bender> however "pinMode" is "under development" in the 3.8 kernel.  So, not sure how to verify that they're activated.
May 03 15:03:51 <bmercer> let me guess, these leds light up for MLO, uboot, then kernel?
May 03 15:04:01 <bmercer> so if I hvae two it didn't make it all the way :)
May 03 15:06:15 <koen> all in uboot
May 03 15:06:51 <bmercer> ok
May 03 15:06:58 <_av500_> cmicali: heh, I spotted you on hn the other day :)
May 03 15:07:09 <mru> _av500_: stalker!
May 03 15:07:16 <cmicali> _av500_: saying something stupid no doubt
May 03 15:07:24 <_av500_> forgot
May 03 15:08:07 <cmicali> i would kill for a hacker news replacement where the average age was 10 years older than HN
May 03 15:08:22 <cmicali> i would pay >$500/yr subscription to such a site
May 03 15:08:26 <simily22> Hi guys, does anyone know what the new delay function that bonescript uses? seems like everything has a "b." infront like b.digitalWrite
May 03 15:08:28 <_av500_> well, hn is already 20ys older than slashdot
May 03 15:08:43 <simily22> b.delay doesn't seem to work
May 03 15:08:59 <_av500_> there goes plan b.
May 03 15:09:11 <bender> anyone know what happened to the /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux in 3.8 kernel?
May 03 15:09:15 <mru> branch delay?
May 03 15:09:27 <_av500_> bender: its gone
May 03 15:09:35 <_av500_> dtb is the new rage
May 03 15:09:59 <ka6sox-away> welcome to DT H.....
May 03 15:10:03 <mru> the new rage-inducer
May 03 15:10:05 <bender> is there a way i can check if i2c pins 19/20 have pullup enabled?
May 03 15:10:31 <koen> bender: check pinctrl
May 03 15:10:34 <_av500_>  /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl
May 03 15:10:36 <bender> getting nothing but timeout errors for i2c
May 03 15:11:13 <_av500_> koen: btw, I love how we are back to magic numbers in 2013: 44e10800.pinmux
May 03 15:11:20 <grantsmith> huh.. my bb black just arrived. I thought they were supposed to include the power supply ?
May 03 15:11:27 <_av500_> n
May 03 15:11:29 <_av500_> no
May 03 15:11:34 <_av500_> where did you see that listed?
May 03 15:11:36 <woglinde> grantsmith look at your order
May 03 15:11:42 <cmicali> grantsmith: no, but you can use the USB port to supply power
May 03 15:11:52 <grantsmith> not sure.. in a comparison with the rasp pi i think...
May 03 15:11:58 <woglinde> lol
May 03 15:12:01 <woglinde> there we have it
May 03 15:12:12 <woglinde> 2nd round
May 03 15:12:22 <koen> _av500_: I know
May 03 15:12:22 <woglinde> no power no sdcard
May 03 15:12:24 <grantsmith> damn innerwebz and its falso information :p
May 03 15:12:30 <simily22> so i'm guessing there is no more delay function anymore?
May 03 15:12:32 <koen> _av500_: I did an ELC talk about it :)
May 03 15:12:36 <woglinde> bad bad BBB
May 03 15:12:45 <mru> BBBBB
May 03 15:12:55 <_av500_> BBBBBBB
May 03 15:13:01 <_av500_> bad bad BBB boot button
May 03 15:13:19 <_av500_> koen: and nobody cares?
May 03 15:13:37 <grantsmith> any recommendations for a sd card ?
May 03 15:13:43 <bmercer> yes, get one
May 03 15:13:43 <woglinde> lol
May 03 15:13:54 <_av500_> grantsmith: sandisk or samsung
May 03 15:14:01 <grantsmith> oh you guys are full of useful info today.
May 03 15:14:01 <mru> what _av500_ said
May 03 15:14:06 <woglinde> I would use the emmc
May 03 15:14:08 <grantsmith> ty _av500_
May 03 15:14:14 <ka6sox-away> _av500_, +1
May 03 15:14:20 <mru> woglinde: maybe he needs something removable
May 03 15:14:25 <mru> or higher capacity
May 03 15:14:26 <cmicali> grantsmith: if you need an sd card, sandisk fast one is worth it
May 03 15:14:29 <woglinde> mru he has rpi
May 03 15:14:34 <_av500_> I managed to get 500MB/s out of my sandisk today
May 03 15:14:35 <woglinde> so he needs sdcard
May 03 15:14:38 <_av500_> :)
May 03 15:14:41 <ka6sox-away> or he doesn't want to BURN 10 pins
May 03 15:14:47 <woglinde> av500 yes that was awesome
May 03 15:14:47 <_av500_> +1
May 03 15:14:49 <bmercer> ok, time to wire up a serial cable already
May 03 15:15:00 <cmicali> grantsmith: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Performance-Memory-SDSDX3-008G-P31/dp/B002GEQDK4
May 03 15:15:21 <_av500_> I have the Sandisk Ultra
May 03 15:15:24 <_av500_> 5GB
May 03 15:15:26 <_av500_> 4GB
May 03 15:15:31 <_av500_> 10MB/s write, 18 read
May 03 15:15:40 <_av500_> sequential
May 03 15:15:41 <cmicali> the class 10 is nice at least for writing from another machine, has saved me time
May 03 15:16:00 <_av500_> cmicali: microsd
May 03 15:16:08 <cmicali> duh
May 03 15:16:10 <cmicali> wrong lnk
May 03 15:16:13 <grantsmith> thanks. ok one more dumbass question. does emmc have the same limitations on number of writes before failure that other flash non-volitile storage has ?
May 03 15:16:20 <_av500_> sure
May 03 15:16:22 <koen> yes
May 03 15:16:26 <koen> same NAND underneath
May 03 15:16:30 <woglinde> excatly
May 03 15:16:31 <_av500_> inside
May 03 15:16:32 <grantsmith> ok.
May 03 15:16:33 <ka6sox> and its soldered on too :)
May 03 15:16:37 <mru> _av500_: the samsung SSDs in my laptop deliver 500MB/s each
May 03 15:16:46 <_av500_> mru: mine too
May 03 15:16:50 <_av500_> that was what I measured :)
May 03 15:16:54 <woglinde> mru map it to sdb
May 03 15:16:56 <cmicali> grantsmith: sorry http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/886011-REG/SanDisk_sdsdqui_008g_a11_8GB_microSDHC_Memory_Card.html that's the one I'm using
May 03 15:17:07 <woglinde> for fast sdcard support
May 03 15:17:08 <grantsmith> cmicali, many thanks
May 03 15:17:13 <_av500_> cmicali: same here
May 03 15:17:17 <_av500_> red racing stripes ftw
May 03 15:17:30 <woglinde> av500 no checked ones?
May 03 15:17:30 <cmicali> the red makes it faster
May 03 15:17:40 <_av500_> checkered
May 03 15:17:40 <mru> _av500_: and with raid0 it gets really fast
May 03 15:17:42 <cmicali> something about the paint polarity
May 03 15:17:48 <cmicali> with red dye
May 03 15:18:02 <_av500_> copper free oxygrn
May 03 15:18:04 <_av500_> oxygen
May 03 15:18:07 <cmicali> yes
May 03 15:18:28 <cmicali> same effect that makes those monster hdmi cables so fast
May 03 15:18:54 <mru> cmicali: I actually had to replace an hdmi cable recently
May 03 15:19:09 <mru> the old one gave an intermittent picture
May 03 15:19:09 <cmicali> mru: corrosion?
May 03 15:19:11 <_av500_> mru: colors worn out?
May 03 15:19:14 <cmicali> haha
May 03 15:19:20 <mru> no idea what's wrong with it
May 03 15:19:21 <bmercer> zing!
May 03 15:19:36 <mru> it works fine with some source/sink pairs
May 03 15:19:40 <mru> fails with others
May 03 15:19:45 <cmicali> monoprice cable?
May 03 15:19:48 <cmicali> i've had one or two of those fail
May 03 15:19:54 <cmicali> but i think just bad soldering on the connectors
May 03 15:19:58 <mru> I don't remember where it came from
May 03 15:20:07 <mru> but it's not the worst of the crop
May 03 15:20:08 <_av500_> we have hdmi cables from china that only bend a couply of times
May 03 15:20:13 <_av500_> couple
May 03 15:20:16 <cmicali> yeah the mono price ones are like that
May 03 15:20:18 <mru> the really cheap ones look like they'd fail in a matter of minutes
May 03 15:20:19 <cmicali> that i got
May 03 15:20:27 <cmicali> good for 3 conncetions
May 03 15:20:39 <cmicali> so choose wisely what you plug it into
May 03 15:20:41 <cmicali> you may not be able to change it
May 03 15:20:48 <_av500_> hot glue it
May 03 15:21:09 <XorA> :-D
May 03 15:21:51 <mru> mono price, mono use?
May 03 15:22:15 <_av500_> stereo pain
May 03 15:25:45 <sandy87> #i am new to beagle bone
May 03 15:26:34 <woglinde> we are all new sometimes
May 03 15:26:35 <jackmitchell> has anyone had a play with the D language, it keeps cropping up and wondered if anyone has an informed opinion?
May 03 15:27:08 <woglinde> jackmitchell hm I will learn smalltalk and then I have learned enough langs
May 03 15:27:43 <bender> in pinctrl how would I go about checking if the internal pullups are enabled?
May 03 15:28:26 <panto> dump the values and check them
May 03 15:29:19 <jackmitchell> woglinde: heh, I quite like the idea of D as it's not so dissimilar from C but without the uglyness of C++
May 03 15:30:24 <bender> i'm not sure how to dump the value of what i'm looking for
May 03 15:31:03 <bender> sorry, i'm looking to make sure the internal pullups are enabled for i2c1
May 03 15:31:27 <panto> cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pinmux-pins
May 03 15:31:38 <jackmitchell> i2c1 is already enabled and working with the eeprom, correct?
May 03 15:32:01 <panto> find out which registers mux the pins
May 03 15:32:09 <panto> jackmitchell, I2C0 & I2C2
May 03 15:32:16 <panto> I2C1 is not enabled by default
May 03 15:32:25 <_av500_> pin 94 (44e10978): 4819c000.i2c (GPIO UNCLAIMED) function pinmux_i2c2_pins group pinmux_i2c2_pins
May 03 15:32:39 <_av500_> now, what are the magic values here?
May 03 15:32:40 <woglinde> jackmitchell look at smalltalk and wonder why nobody programms with it
May 03 15:32:57 <jackmitchell> ah, yes; I remember now, i2c1 is actually i2c2 as it's a count...
May 03 15:32:58 <panto> err, it's at pins
May 03 15:33:04 <panto> cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pins
May 03 15:33:23 <panto> _av500_, thanks you nitpicker
May 03 15:33:24 <_av500_> pin 94 (44e10978) 00000073 pinctrl-single
May 03 15:33:38 <jackmitchell> woglinde: I will do, I had a quick look many moons ago but it didn't strike me; if I remember correctly it all seemed very segmented
May 03 15:33:49 <_av500_> panto: no really, what is it?
May 03 15:33:56 <_av500_> 44e10978 is the registetr
May 03 15:34:04 <_av500_> what is 4819c000?
May 03 15:34:09 <panto> pinmux-pins contains the user of the pins
May 03 15:34:16 <panto> pins contain the value stored at the register
May 03 15:34:20 <_av500_> ah
May 03 15:35:03 * panto admits of having a dev2mem userspace script to dump values for various registers 
May 03 15:35:17 <_av500_> cheater
May 03 15:35:39 * KotH admits of having a crystal ball to analyse the internal state of cpus
May 03 15:35:55 <panto> http://pastebin.com/P1VmmW1R
May 03 15:35:57 * _av500_ admits having a large hammer
May 03 15:36:09 <_av500_> to bring CPUs into consistent state
May 03 15:36:09 * KotH slowly backs away from anujdeshpande 
May 03 15:36:10 * mru admits to rarely doing any real work anyway
May 03 15:36:10 <KotH> er..
May 03 15:36:14 * KotH slowly backs away from _av500_ 
May 03 15:36:39 <bender> ok, i'm following.  does that indicate that the pullups are enabled?
May 03 15:36:47 * KotH didnt do any serious work today either... beside finding another silicon bug in an atmel cpu
May 03 15:37:25 <anujdeshpande> KotH, too much spam updates ??
May 03 15:37:47 <KotH> anujdeshpande: that and you might eat my chocolate
May 03 15:38:52 <anujdeshpande> KotH, open source is all about sharing .. code , chocolates.. its all the same !
May 03 15:39:09 * KotH will guard his chocolate against all foes
May 03 15:39:33 <ka6sox> KotH, send Chocolate
May 03 15:39:50 <KotH> ka6sox: come to elce
May 03 15:40:05 <ka6sox> KotH, okay...let me start planning on that
May 03 15:40:52 <woglinde> jackmitchell one nice feature is you can shutdown the smalltalk container copy it and start it and it has the same state after the shutdown
May 03 15:41:17 <woglinde> very nice for customer failures you can not reproduce
May 03 15:42:21 <_av500_> bender: see the register values
May 03 15:42:26 <_av500_> then check the TRM
May 03 15:42:27 <KotH> .o0(i should have a look at smaltalk)
May 03 15:42:56 <KotH> woglinde: any recomendation for a good smalltalk book/tutorial/... ?
May 03 15:44:12 <koen> KotH: visit texas, people love smalltalk
May 03 15:45:57 <KotH> i doubt they can teach me smalltalk...
May 03 15:47:45 <mru> koen: I thought everything was bigger in texas
May 03 15:49:20 <ssi> bigtalk
May 03 15:51:05 <bender> thank you for the help, but could you be more specific.  I don't know how to check the register values or where to check TRM
May 03 16:01:12 <mranostay> morninglololo
May 03 16:01:21 <KotH> bender: if you dont know where to check the TRM, you might want to skim trough all of it to get a feel what is written where
May 03 16:01:44 <KotH> mranostay: moin.. how is your head?
May 03 16:03:17 <levi> The TRM has a nice table of contents section that makes it really easy to find the registers you're looking for.
May 03 16:03:47 <KotH> levi: psssst! that's advanced stuff!
May 03 16:03:59 <KotH> we'll cover that in the next lesson
May 03 16:04:12 <bender> we're talking AM335x TRM right?
May 03 16:05:39 <mranostay> KotH: attached
May 03 16:07:25 <levi> That's what I was talking about anyway, though most of the TI TRMs I've seen are constructed similarly.
May 03 16:10:00 <bender> in the section for i2c Registers I don't see reference to Pullup resistor registers
May 03 16:10:33 <bender> in the beaglebone Manual it states When no capes are installed the internal pullup resistors must be activated inside the processor to prevent I2C timeouts on the I2C bus
May 03 16:10:34 <ka6sox> bender, its part of the DT settings
May 03 16:10:49 <ka6sox> (assuming you are using 3.8 or later)
May 03 16:11:08 <ka6sox> that is kernel 3.8
May 03 16:11:51 <bender> yes i'm on 3.8
May 03 16:12:18 <ka6sox> then depending on what capes are loaded the pinmuxing takes care of that.
May 03 16:12:18 <woglinde> koth smalltalk is not for you
May 03 16:12:29 <woglinde> koth runs not on msp
May 03 16:12:37 <KotH> lol
May 03 16:12:47 <ka6sox> Forth
May 03 16:13:00 <mru> ka6sox: not until tomorrow
May 03 16:13:18 <woglinde> koth and its all about oo in smalltalk
May 03 16:13:22 <ka6sox> thats Fourth
May 03 16:13:31 <woglinde> and you programm diretcly with the ui
May 03 16:13:36 <woglinde> in the smalltalk container
May 03 16:13:39 <ka6sox> object obfuscation?
May 03 16:13:46 <KotH> woglinde: i'm quite sure one could build an linux emulator on an msp430 and run smalltalk in linux :)
May 03 16:13:47 <mru> woglinde: sounds very academic
May 03 16:13:53 <bender> ok, no "capes" installed.  Just have an i2c enabled temp/humidity sensor.  When connected i get timeouts.  Sensor works fine, tested it with something else.
May 03 16:14:01 <mru> koen: can the msp430 address enough memory?
May 03 16:14:19 <mru> KotH: ^^
May 03 16:14:21 <KotH> mru: 20bit is enough for everyone
May 03 16:14:21 <woglinde> mru no no
May 03 16:14:29 <ka6sox> bender, which i2cX are you attempting to use?
May 03 16:14:36 <KotH> woglinde: i'm a c guy, but i'm not against oo either
May 03 16:14:41 <mru> I suppose you could bitbang more memory
May 03 16:14:53 <bender> i2c1
May 03 16:15:10 <ka6sox> I dont' think thats enabled by default
May 03 16:15:14 <bender> using i2cdetect -y -r 1
May 03 16:15:36 <ka6sox> there might be a way to load an overlay with that but I've not done that before.
May 03 16:15:38 <bender> in /dev it lists only i2c0 & i2c1
May 03 16:16:55 <bender> in /sys/class/i2c-adapter also only lists the above mentioned
May 03 16:19:40 <ka6sox> bender, have you played with DT?
May 03 16:20:29 <bender> no i have not, and i'm not sure what DT is short for.. sorry
May 03 16:20:43 <ka6sox> sorry, Device Tree in the kernel
May 03 16:21:06 <KotH> ka6sox: if i would want to learn more about HF electronics design... where would you recommend me to start?
May 03 16:21:12 <KotH> ka6sox: any good books or so around?
May 03 16:22:29 <bender> what would i be doing with this?
May 03 16:22:29 <ka6sox> HF as in 3-30Mhz or something higher?
May 03 16:22:45 <KotH> ka6sox: both :)
May 03 16:22:50 <woglinde> koth for smalltalk -> http://www.pharo-project.org/documentation/tutorials-books
May 03 16:22:58 <KotH> well.. <30MHz can be considered as DC these days...
May 03 16:23:05 <ka6sox> heh
May 03 16:23:06 <KotH> woglinde: domo
May 03 16:23:11 <woglinde> what?
May 03 16:23:20 <panto> l8rs
May 03 16:23:27 <KotH> woglinde: domo = jap equiv of thanks
May 03 16:23:33 <mru> this mains transformer here disagrees
May 03 16:23:47 <woglinde> o.O
May 03 16:23:51 <ka6sox> KotH, a bit later would be good...finishing up with GSoC stuff..maybe in 1hrs?
May 03 16:23:55 <woglinde> better pay your choclate
May 03 16:23:57 <KotH> sure
May 03 16:24:02 <KotH> ka6sox: i'm not in a hurry :)
May 03 16:24:19 <KotH> woglinde: apropos...
May 03 16:24:24 <yogi> are there any known issues with the UART port on rev A5A?  I am trying to use a Sparkfun FTDI USB-to-TTL adapter, and I'm getting 'framing errors'
May 03 16:24:48 <yogi> using the right baud rate, and the right pins;  the voltage on TX is 3.3;  the board is powered from an external brick
May 03 16:24:52 <ka6sox> oh, never mind
May 03 16:24:58 <ka6sox> its OVER
May 03 16:32:17 * KotH munches some lindt chocolate
May 03 16:37:41 <KotH> _av500_, woglinde: http://i.imgur.com/9QUdlPI.png
May 03 16:45:02 <Calc> I'm trying out the ubuntu 13.04 image (off an sd card),  can anyone give me tips on how to get a gui going
May 03 16:45:04 * bradfa had coffee with cream and sugar this morning. that was a mistake
May 03 16:45:12 <mru> that it sure was
May 03 16:45:24 <mru> coffee should be black as midnight on a moonless night
May 03 16:45:37 <bradfa> I now have a proper coffee
May 03 16:45:46 <bradfa> well, as proper as can be made at the office
May 03 16:45:59 <mru> you could bring your own gear
May 03 16:46:02 <bender> Calc > apt will install all xserver-drivers
May 03 16:46:12 <bradfa> mru, I've considered that
May 03 16:46:34 <bender> install your GUI of choice and edit xorg.conf to use "fbdev" driver rather than "omapfb"
May 03 16:46:54 <woglinde> bender he did not tell on which device he is installing
May 03 16:46:57 <Calc> apt-get install <gui?>....     (I haven't done a lot of linux from scratch)
May 03 16:47:10 <Calc> beaglebone black
May 03 16:47:21 <bender> Calc > which device are you using?
May 03 16:47:25 <bradfa> Calc, apt-get install gnome ?
May 03 16:47:52 <bender> on beaglebone black i did the following on both 13.04 and 12.10
May 03 16:48:03 <bender> sudo apt-get install gnome-core
May 03 16:48:22 <woglinde> I would use lxde
May 03 16:48:31 <woglinde> gnome is to heavy and overloaded
May 03 16:48:31 <bradfa> I would use xfce4
May 03 16:48:39 <mru> twm
May 03 16:48:43 <bradfa> fluxbox!
May 03 16:48:47 <Calc> I saw a command to spin up lxde, is that already in the image?
May 03 16:48:52 <woglinde> hm let me check the haskell wm
May 03 16:48:53 <mru> olvwm!
May 03 16:49:02 <bradfa> i3?
May 03 16:49:06 <mru> cde
May 03 16:49:10 <bradfa> +1 for cde
May 03 16:49:18 <bender> once finished boot to terminal ctrl+alt+F1 and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
May 03 16:49:23 <mru> it's not as bad as gnome
May 03 16:49:29 <mru> and that's saying something about gnome
May 03 16:49:45 <KotH> what was the thing called that solaris came with before cde?
May 03 16:49:49 <KotH> opensomething
May 03 16:49:53 <mru> olvwm
May 03 16:49:58 <bender> agreed, gnome was for example only...choose whatever you like best
May 03 16:49:58 <mru> openlook
May 03 16:50:18 <bradfa> framebuffer console not good enough these days?
May 03 16:50:31 <mru> who needs a console?
May 03 16:50:55 <bender> you'll probably need to "sudo apt-get install vim"...not sure if nano is installed by default but i'm certain vim is not
May 03 16:51:14 <mru> that's stupid
May 03 16:51:15 <chupacabra> +2 for cde
May 03 16:51:26 <KotH> mru: it really is
May 03 16:51:29 <mru> some kind of vi should always be present
May 03 16:51:32 <woglinde> ah xmonad
May 03 16:51:40 <woglinde> 4dwm
May 03 16:51:43 <KotH> mru: there is a castrated vi on ubuntus
May 03 16:51:59 <KotH> mru: but nano is $EDITOR by default
May 03 16:52:02 <chupacabra> fedora ships with vi
May 03 16:52:38 * KotH could never get the hang of tiling wm's
May 03 16:52:59 <Spirilis> hmm X11-wise, is there any glx drivers to use the GPU onboard for 3D?
May 03 16:53:10 <KotH> maybe i'm just too much used to working on a 640x480 screen with two dozen windows per desktop
May 03 16:53:55 <mru> KotH: overlapping windows are a must
May 03 16:54:05 <mru> and raise-on-click is evil
May 03 16:54:18 <KotH> mru: yeah
May 03 16:54:33 <KotH> mru: but who does that these days? only old farts like us
May 03 16:54:35 <mru> windows 1.0 was tiling
May 03 16:55:24 * chupacabra guesses he is an old fart
May 03 16:56:00 <KotH> chupacabra: i guess you are pre-ubuntu generation?
May 03 16:56:11 <chupacabra> pre linux
May 03 16:56:32 <KotH> ah.. you grew up with at&t unix?
May 03 16:56:33 <chupacabra> Sun
May 03 16:56:36 <KotH> you _are_ an old fart ;)
May 03 16:56:37 <chupacabra> ya
May 03 16:57:20 <chupacabra> i still have a sparc station with cde just for old times sake
May 03 16:57:21 * mru has both irix and osf/1 (tru64) machines in the house
May 03 16:57:32 <mru> irix ain't bad actually
May 03 16:57:49 <chupacabra> they were all ok sept sco.
May 03 16:58:03 <mru> tru64 is ecoff based so a little quirky
May 03 16:58:03 <chupacabra> i still admin 2 sco machines
May 03 16:58:50 <mru> a very solid os though
May 03 16:58:58 <mru> I've never seen it crash
May 03 16:59:07 <mru> and it was the main os at university
May 03 17:01:27 <chupacabra> when yggdraisil came out I was a happy guy.
May 03 17:01:33 <chupacabra> oops
May 03 17:08:14 <ka6sox> chupacabra, 4800 floppies
May 03 17:10:39 <chupacabra> I remember a cd
May 03 17:10:54 <chupacabra> Slackware was 7 floppys
May 03 17:18:43 <ka6sox> chupacabra, you are right..it was slackware I got on floppies.
May 03 17:22:53 <chupacabra> was just checking my memory. Slackware was out in 93.  way before yggdrasil.  ygg was publicized more.
May 03 17:24:33 <chupacabra> I love it when wikipedia remembers stuff like I do.
May 03 17:24:59 <ptan> I'm building a motor controller cape that uses I2C2, and can stack with other capes.  Is there any I2C2 address restriction/reservation system other than 0x50-0x57 (cape eeprom)?  I.e. can I used up addresses 0x10-0x17?
May 03 17:26:22 <crashovrd> nobody has invented I2C plug n play yet?
May 03 17:26:35 <ptan> lol... guess not..
May 03 17:27:11 <crashovrd> well, there's a GSoC project waiting to happen
May 03 17:27:13 <Calc> I believe first bit in an i2c address isn't part of the address
May 03 17:27:24 <grantsmith> hah. i love that the heartbeat LED on the BBB is actually in the same rhythm as a human heartbeat
May 03 17:27:39 <Calc> or rather first bit of the byte that address is in
May 03 17:27:44 <ptan> Calc: yeah, the i2c addresses are 7 bits on the BBB
May 03 17:28:01 <mru> grantsmith: it also speeds up as system load increases
May 03 17:28:14 <grantsmith> oh wow thats cool
May 03 17:28:15 <ptan> just wanted to know if I would conflict with any other known capes.
May 03 17:28:24 <Calc> it's a master based setup, so master is always polling
May 03 17:28:29 <grantsmith> i'll just stare at the pretty lights for a while...
May 03 17:29:10 <grantsmith> mru: so if I run a shell folk bomb, it should REALLY speed up.
May 03 17:29:27 <mru> try and find out
May 03 17:29:40 <grantsmith> hell no. lol.
May 03 17:30:19 <grantsmith> ah what the heck.
May 03 17:30:27 <mru> what's the worst it could do?
May 03 17:30:40 <KotH> skynet emerging
May 03 17:31:41 <grantsmith> ok.. it sped up.
May 03 17:32:04 <grantsmith> but only to about 1 blink per .25 seconds
May 03 17:32:22 <grantsmith> and not in heartbeat rhythm anymore :( DISAPPOINTED!
May 03 17:32:27 <ssi> I broke something :/
May 03 17:32:31 <ssi> Did not find a recognized configuration, assuming General purpose EVM in Profile 0 with Daughter board
May 03 17:50:17 <Billiard> Is there anything comparable to the BBB that supports 1080p over hdmi? :(
May 03 17:51:14 <dm8tbr> someone said it might work on the BBB, but performance wouldn't be that great
May 03 17:51:31 <crashovrd> depends on your definition of comparable. There are lots of ARM SoC's on the market
May 03 17:51:33 <ka6sox> 1080p for NOTHING....
May 03 17:52:09 <ptan> Billiard:Raspberry Pi supports 1080p
May 03 17:52:25 <ssi> ew so I reflashed the current angstrom image, and got it to boot off SD, and it gets to here and then powers itself down:
May 03 17:52:26 <Billiard> ptan: yeah, not enough GPIO for my project though :(
May 03 17:52:28 <ssi>     0.765265] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: pin-3 (gpio-leds.7) status -22
May 03 17:52:31 <ssi> [    0.772491] pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: could not request pin 3 on device pinctrl-single
May 03 17:52:39 <dm8tbr> Billiard: look at the pandaboard then
May 03 17:52:53 <Billiard> dm8tbr: yeah, too expensive :p
May 03 17:53:26 <ptan> Billard: Raspi with i2c GPIO expander?
May 03 17:53:27 <ssi> doesn't seem to do it if I remove the network cable
May 03 17:53:27 <ssi> weird
May 03 17:54:03 <dm8tbr> Billiard: why do you need the 1080p?
May 03 17:54:04 <ptan> http://learn.adafruit.com/mcp230xx-gpio-expander-on-the-raspberry-pi/overview
May 03 17:54:23 <ka6sox> ssi, can you write that up including how you are powering it and put it on the Mailinglist/forum?
May 03 17:54:44 <ssi> yeah I suppose so... it just shut itself down again
May 03 17:54:49 <ssi> is that evidence of overcurrent?
May 03 17:55:17 <Billiard> dm8tbr: uh, because it's one better than 720p, I guess? :p
May 03 17:55:36 <dm8tbr> Billiard: then you can also pay one better than the BBB
May 03 17:55:51 <Billiard> dm8tbr: panda isn't one better, it has 7000 bells/wistles I don't need
May 03 17:56:15 <ka6sox> ssi, Gerald (HW Designer) says to make sure you seat the cable "firmly"
May 03 17:56:40 <ssi> hm ok
May 03 17:57:04 <Billiard> ptan: thanks, looking into this, I've already tried using shift registers and it was just a mess and not reliable
May 03 17:57:37 <dm8tbr> Billiard: you have to go one way or the other. it will also very much depend on what you want to use that 1080p for
May 03 17:57:44 <cmicali> koen: i got the latest 3.8 kernel from git and the patches are not applying
May 03 17:57:50 <cmicali> koen: error: drivers/media/platform/soc_camera/cssp_camera.c: patch does not apply
May 03 18:01:37 <Billiard> dm8tbr: I don't need to do video decoding if that's your worry
May 03 18:02:47 <dm8tbr> Billiard: nothing of this is my worry. I was just trying to help, as that's what you asked for.
May 03 18:12:14 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] RobertCNelson pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/NA4vtA
May 03 18:12:14 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 4d689c7 Robert Nelson: 3.8: remove duplicated patch...
May 03 18:12:32 <cmicali> yay
May 03 18:13:00 <cmicali> blazing turn around time
May 03 18:15:18 <djlewis> tgif
May 03 18:16:47 <ka6sox> I thought you liked fridays on Tuesdays
May 03 18:16:55 <mru> and all other days too
May 03 18:17:16 <djlewis> and every other weekday
May 03 18:17:43 <djlewis> such good memories here. gotta whatch what I say ;)
May 03 18:18:13 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/52
May 03 18:18:41 <djlewis> hmm, even i didnt get it right :(
May 03 18:18:57 <mru> but I did :)
May 03 18:19:18 <djlewis> mru makes me giggle
May 03 18:19:38 <mru> like a little girl?
May 03 18:20:16 * djlewis got to begin my day by stopping by a bar for a service call :)
May 03 18:20:55 <ka6sox> djlewis, that can be good or bad....
May 03 18:30:54 <Dalek_> Hello, Has anyone used the am335x_pru_package?
May 03 18:31:20 <cmicali> dalek: yes
May 03 18:32:58 <Dalek_> I am using a BeagleBone Black, I followed the instructions on "boxysean" blog on setting up, ran the make with CROSS_COMPILe in the interface dir and examples_app, ran the linux build script, and called modprobe uio_pruss, but when I run PRU_memAccessPRUDtaRam I get an error
May 03 18:33:11 <Dalek_> "prussdrv open open failed"
May 03 18:33:28 <Dalek_> any ideas what is causing it?
May 03 18:33:36 <cmicali> the default beagle bone black device tree does not enable the pruss device
May 03 18:34:09 <cmicali> so even though you did mod probe uio_pruss
May 03 18:34:14 <cmicali> the uio_pruss driver can't find the pruss hardware
May 03 18:34:34 <cmicali> the only way i know of is to checkout the 3.8 kernel from github.com/beagleboard/kernel
May 03 18:34:38 <cmicali> run patch.sh
May 03 18:34:52 <cmicali> then edit arch/arm/boot/dts/am335x-beaglebone-black.dts (or whatever it's called)
May 03 18:35:20 <cmicali> and add this:
May 03 18:35:24 <cmicali> &pruss: {
May 03 18:35:31 <cmicali> status = "okay";
May 03 18:35:32 <cmicali> };
May 03 18:35:45 <cmicali> then build the kernel, and use the new .dtb file for the black that is built
May 03 18:36:00 <cmicali> sure there is probably an easier way, but i don't know it unfortunately
May 03 18:36:05 <Dalek_> ok, I will give that a shot, thanks :)
May 03 18:36:25 <cmicali> np good luck
May 03 18:41:12 <Dalek_> cmicali:  while I wait for it to patch,  from my understanding of the pru, any of the GPIO pins can be used as PWM for motot controls right?
May 03 18:41:47 <cmicali> Dalek: You can use any GPIO from the pru, yeah, but to write to them the PRU has to write to the GPIO memory addresses which are ouside of the PRU
May 03 18:42:02 <cmicali> so the time to write to those memory addresses can be non deterministic if the interconnect bus is busy
May 03 18:42:15 <cmicali> but there are dedicated PRU I/O pins
May 03 18:42:26 <cmicali> which are better, you can toggle them in 1 PRU instruction (5ns)
May 03 18:42:42 <cmicali> you will need to pinmux them though, which will require another change to that DTS
May 03 18:43:38 <cmicali> here's my full black dts: http://pastebin.com/6cJhJfLA
May 03 18:43:46 <cmicali> check the "PRU Pins" section
May 03 18:44:05 <Dalek_> cmicali: Thanks, let me look it over :)
May 03 18:44:19 <cmicali> you may need another config, but that's almost all the PRU pins you can access on the BB headers
May 03 18:49:34 <honda> does anybody have any good links regarding setting up androind on the black?
May 03 18:49:45 <levi> If you're going to be doing a bunch of low-level stuff for the BBB, I recommend getting the Angstrom dev environment set up.
May 03 18:50:29 <levi> Makes it easy to manage all the changes you make to the image and individual packages, and port the changes as new upstream things are released.
May 03 18:51:18 <levi> You can also build a custom repository with your changes, so you can update your device to your new code with opkg.
May 03 18:51:46 <levi> honda: Out of curiosity, why do you want to set up android on it?
May 03 18:51:49 <cmicali> levi: got a link to get started doing that?
May 03 18:52:57 <levi> Sure, let me find it.
May 03 18:54:17 <honda> levi - maybe this is naive, but I would like to use BBB as an android open accessory
May 03 18:54:18 <levi> From the 'Getting Started' page you can click on the 'Angstrom Distribution' link in the 'Other currently available software images' section, which will take you to http://beagleboard.org/project/angstrom
May 03 18:54:41 <cmicali> levi: thanks - been wanting to check that out but have not had the tim eyet
May 03 18:55:08 <levi> honda: I don't know if that's naive or not, as I don't have any experience with the AOA stuff.  Sounds interesting, though!
May 03 18:55:42 <honda> ha, ok - I sort of thought you were getting ready to tell me that BB is no good for android
May 03 18:56:01 <honda> honestly, I assumed that some prebuilt images would be ready to go at this point
May 03 18:56:13 <levi> cmicali: There are a few links on that page, and one of them will take you to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom, which are the detailed instructions.
May 03 18:56:25 <cmicali> levi: sweet thanks i'll give it a go
May 03 18:56:45 <cmicali> i've been customizing the stock image, adding my own kernel/packages, and saving that out to an img
May 03 18:56:45 <levi> Well, it doesn't seem like the best choice for an android handset, but it might make a good AOA gadget.
May 03 18:57:22 <honda> i got BBB thinking it would be an awesome AOA gadget
May 03 18:57:23 <cmicali> need a better workflow
May 03 18:57:24 <levi> cmicali: You will probably also want to check out the documentation at yoctoproject.org
May 03 18:57:45 <cmicali> i gave yocto a shot once, but did not have the time to figure it out
May 03 18:59:16 <levi> Yocto is the organization that is set up to co-maintain the OpenEmbedded tool set along with the OpenEmbedded project. Angstrom is the sort of general-purpose distro built with the Yocto/OpenEmbedded tools, but the tools are set up to help you build and maintain a custom distro if you want.
May 03 19:00:10 <ka6sox> just don't call it poky
May 03 19:00:42 <ds2> poky is fun and tasty
May 03 19:00:54 <ds2> and much better sizewise then a yocto
May 03 19:01:00 <levi> Well, Poky sort of names the core distro and tools that the Yocto Project maintains.
May 03 19:01:51 <cmicali> levi i got as far as getting the yocto build appliance running in in vmware
May 03 19:01:53 <levi> Honestly, the naming of things surrounding the OE tools is a bit weird and confusing these days, but the stuff generally works pretty well.
May 03 19:02:05 <cmicali> but after clicking through a few screens i got distracted
May 03 19:02:29 <ka6sox> levi,  for years I called the build tool BitBreak...
May 03 19:02:35 <prpplague> jkridner|work: i'll be reviewing the submissions this afternoon
May 03 19:02:36 <levi> cmicali: I would avoid the build appliance route and go straight to building an image, and then possibly a sdk.
May 03 19:02:44 <jkridner|work> prpplague: Thanks!
May 03 19:02:57 <cmicali> levi: good to know
May 03 19:03:01 <prpplague> jkridner|work: i assume i need to complete all the reviews by EoD today?
May 03 19:04:05 <jkridner|work> not technically.  We have until Monday to perform reviews and define how many slots we'd ideally want.
May 03 19:04:10 <levi> cmicali: Building an SDK lets you build experimental programs outside of the core distro package structure with the same toolchain that builds the distro packages.
May 03 19:05:01 <levi> It's also handy to be able to install the SDK on other machines, since the entire build tree for the distro grows quickly to enormous proporitions.
May 03 19:06:41 <levi> honda: It looks to me, from a quick glance at the ADK2 guide, that Android Open Accesories don't typically run Android themselves.
May 03 19:09:40 <NoProblem> Hey anyone has a link to a Ubuntu 13.04 IMg for the BBB
May 03 19:09:53 <levi> Their example framework is based on Arduino, so in the BBB context you'd probably want to port it to BoneScript or possibly C. The key distinguishing feature of AOA gadgets seems to be that they can communicate with an android device over the USB port via the Android Open Accessory Protocol.
May 03 19:11:17 <prpplague> jkridner|work: ok thanks
May 03 19:11:25 <levi> I haven't heard of a 13.4 img for BBB.
May 03 19:11:27 <honda> yeah levi, they typically don't (arduino adk for example) but it looks like BBB as an AOA is designed to be running android
May 03 19:11:45 <prpplague> jkridner|work: i've interacted with two of the applicants over on #userspace-arduino
May 03 19:12:37 <_av500_> wow, gcc for PRU
May 03 19:13:39 <levi> Awww.
May 03 19:14:17 <NoProblem> levi: http://pansenti.wordpress.com/2013/04/28/beaglebone-black-with-ubuntu-13-04-and-ubuntu-desktop-almost/
May 03 19:15:50 <levi> That's cool, but I'm not really interested in running Ubuntu on mine.
May 03 19:16:08 <honda> regarding AOA - looking more closely, I think AOA on BB(B) runs on starterware meaning it doesn't run on any OS whatsoever
May 03 19:16:16 <honda> http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/wiki/AccessoryDevKit
May 03 19:17:33 <honda> I assumed android was running underneath the AOA since the documentation came from rowboat
May 03 19:19:41 <_av500_> no
May 03 19:19:48 <_av500_> this AOA users starterware
May 03 19:19:50 <_av500_> so no-os
May 03 19:20:04 <honda> yeah
May 03 19:20:04 <djlewis> prpplague: energia got my attention sometime back.
May 03 19:20:45 <honda> av500 do you know if the build instructions in the link i posted above are applicable to BBB?
May 03 19:20:49 <jkridner|work> prpplague: make sure to let me know ones you'd feel comfortable mentoring.
May 03 19:21:07 <djlewis> the process of programming a 430 like i'm configuring a MUX does not excite me (the old way).
May 03 19:21:26 <_av500_> honda: partially for sure
May 03 19:22:22 <honda> _av500_: cool thanks
May 03 19:23:17 <prpplague> jkridner|work: i've already noted the two top contenders for mentorings
May 03 19:23:30 <prpplague> jkridner|work: mdp has them marked for him as well
May 03 19:23:41 <prpplague> jkridner|work: i need to reread the other entries
May 03 19:23:44 <jkridner|work> by putting yourself down as a potential mentor?
May 03 19:24:05 <NoProblem> Ok install the Ubuntu image 12.10 now I want to install desktop did sudo apt-get install Ubuntu-desktop  it want to install 1405MB is that normal
May 03 19:24:44 <_av500_> 2013 and melange cannot sort numbers
May 03 19:24:57 <_av500_> NoProblem: 1.4GB
May 03 19:25:06 <_av500_> looks small for ubuntu
May 03 19:25:07 <NoProblem> Yeah
May 03 19:25:16 <NoProblem> Wow
May 03 19:25:22 <_av500_> I mean you are asking for a full fledged desktop
May 03 19:25:30 <_av500_> the best desktop even
May 03 19:25:44 <_av500_> 2nd only to windows
May 03 19:26:15 <NoProblem> I don't really want the full fledge in there a lighter version
May 03 19:33:18 <_av500_> angstrom maybe?
May 03 19:34:58 <jkroon> I'm trying to connect an LCD monitor to the beaglebone.. We have a custom built cape, sort of, with a monitor. But when I boot I dont get any framebuffer devices created
May 03 19:35:30 <_av500_> what does the cape do?
May 03 19:35:40 <_av500_> since its custom, did you write a driver?
May 03 19:35:47 <_av500_> adapt one?
May 03 19:36:30 <jkroon> _av500_, nope no driver or anything. I was hoping the beaglebone would output the pixel data on the io-pins
May 03 19:36:34 <bender_> how does one go about checking pin mode of a given pin on beagle black
May 03 19:36:48 <_av500_> we had that
May 03 19:36:57 <_av500_> pinctrl in debugfs
May 03 19:37:13 <_av500_> jkroon: well, unless you tell it to do so, it wont
May 03 19:37:36 <jkroon> _av500_, ok..
May 03 19:37:45 <bender_> would that be "cat pinmux-pins"
May 03 19:38:02 <_av500_> cat all of them
May 03 19:38:08 <_av500_> in the 44*** folder
May 03 19:38:10 <_av500_> and see
May 03 19:38:55 <chupacabra> yay my black is in.
May 03 19:38:55 <_av500_> jkridner|work: calling a phone number for dumb people, y u no like?
May 03 19:39:01 <jkroon> _av500_, so I should maybe just copy the 7inch display driver
May 03 19:39:25 <bender_> looking at pin 94 for i2c (GPIO UNCLAIMED) MUX is 4819c000.i2c
May 03 19:40:23 <_av500_> yes,so the pin is muxed to i2c
May 03 19:40:31 <_av500_> 94, 95, 98, 99
May 03 19:40:37 <_av500_> i2c0 and i2s2
May 03 19:40:43 <woglinde> re
May 03 19:40:49 <_av500_> "pins" will give you the actual pinmux values
May 03 19:41:30 <bender_> ok.  so in /dev/ i only have reference to i2c0 and i2c1
May 03 19:41:44 <prpplague> jkridner|work: yea
May 03 19:41:56 <woglinde> hi prpplague
May 03 19:42:00 <prpplague> jkridner|work: i;ve added myself as possible mentor on the two top ones so far
May 03 19:42:11 <prpplague> jkridner: looks like there are 3 other entries
May 03 19:43:37 <woglinde> that was to much for him
May 03 19:44:57 <bender_> pins 94-95 correlate to i2c2 and 98-99 correlate to i2c0.  if using i2cdetect where should i direct the command ?
May 03 19:46:44 <_av500_> bender_: one is i2c numbers as per the SoC, the other is how the kernel numbers them
May 03 19:46:54 <_av500_> so I guess 0 is 0 and 1 is 2
May 03 19:47:31 <KotH> _av500_: einmal ist keinmal, zweimal ist immer
May 03 19:47:32 <ds2> and 11 is 3
May 03 19:48:16 <bender_> was hoping you weren't going to say that.  still having issues communicating to an i2c device for temp/humidity.  just gives timeout. scans through very slowly and gives nothing back
May 03 19:48:38 <woglinde> bender_ did check the hw
May 03 19:48:49 <woglinde> always check the hw first and than blame the software
May 03 19:49:16 <ds2> nah... always blame the sw guys
May 03 19:49:22 <ds2> unless you are working in sw ;)
May 03 19:49:27 <jkroon> _av500_, so.. how do I tell it to output data on the lcd pins ? I have write a driver ?
May 03 19:49:36 <KotH> osciloscope: versatile software debugging tool
May 03 19:50:42 <bender_> i tested it on an arduino
May 03 19:50:44 <bender_> and it works fine
May 03 19:50:52 <woglinde> lol
May 03 19:50:54 <woglinde> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Its-not-the-size-that-matters.aspx
May 03 19:51:21 <woglinde> bender okay than blame kernel guys
May 03 19:52:02 <KotH> woglinde: lol
May 03 19:52:20 <KotH> woglinde: unfortunately, i've seen a lot of such code...
May 03 19:53:19 <KotH> something i've often heard is "why dont you use malloc there.. it would make things easier" ... well, this is a uC with 64kB ram, with no OS.. it does NOT have malloc
May 03 19:53:22 <bender_> i'd like to think that it's user error rather than kernel error...
May 03 19:54:00 <bender_> arduino i2c bus is 5v so i'm using bi-directional logic level conversion to 3.3v bb i2c bus
May 03 19:54:11 <haksaw> soooo, any perl programmers in here? Got a question about IO:poll and why the flip it isnt blocking
May 03 19:54:31 <woglinde> hm I havent touched perl for some years
May 03 19:55:16 <KotH> haksaw: ask away
May 03 19:55:25 <bender_> only think i can think of is that the internal pullup resistors are not activated by default.  It says in beaglebone manual that they must be activated or there will be timeout errors on the bus.
May 03 19:55:26 <haksaw> http://pastebin.com/ZVNHYkVb
May 03 19:55:31 <haksaw> http://pastebin.com/Qp8j1jL1
May 03 19:55:48 <bender_> which is what i'm getting in my syslog
May 03 19:56:15 <haksaw> KotH: $poll->poll(); is not blocking any clues?
May 03 19:56:49 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bender: just got in, but if you're talking about i2c, the internal pullups (about 100k ohm) weren't strong enough for my i2c devices.
May 03 19:57:23 <bender_> what size did you add ?
May 03 19:57:39 <bender_> i've tried 4.7k ohm
May 03 19:57:53 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i used a 10k.
May 03 19:58:06 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bust out a scope, make sure it's wiggling ;)
May 03 19:58:20 <KotH> haksaw: you sure you want to use POLLPRI?
May 03 19:58:22 <bender_> did you do any logic level converting?
May 03 19:58:31 <KotH> haksaw: shouldnt that be POLLIN?
May 03 19:58:47 <haksaw> ive tried both with no avail
May 03 19:58:48 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> actually, yes, through a stupid bidirectional level shifter.
May 03 19:58:51 <bender_> and were you doing an "i2cdetect -r 1"
May 03 19:58:54 <haksaw> it imediatly returns 0
May 03 19:59:25 <bender_> then you had pullups on the sensor side and the beagle side of the logic converter?
May 03 19:59:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bender: no. we don't have access to i2c-1 on the header....right?
May 03 20:00:09 <_av500_> bender_: from how I read the pin values, the pullups are enabled
May 03 20:00:13 <KotH> haksaw: have a look at the code of IO::Poll::poll
May 03 20:00:23 <_av500_> ::poll:poll:poll
May 03 20:00:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bender_: 1 in linux is i2c-0. i2c-3 is i2c-2. index is off by one.
May 03 20:00:25 <KotH> haksaw: that should tell you what it's doing
May 03 20:00:29 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> right?
May 03 20:00:37 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> (it's been a while since i worked on that)
May 03 20:01:04 <haksaw> KotH: I was tracing it down till i got to _poll() which i have no clue where that function is at
May 03 20:01:18 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i2c-2 is disabled on demo image of beaglebone classic, so all you have to use is i2c-3, which is i2c2 on the chip.
May 03 20:01:27 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> assuming i'm remembering all of this correctly.
May 03 20:01:45 <KotH> haksaw: you need ot get teh source of IO,
May 03 20:01:48 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but, regargdless of black or classic, i2c-1 isn't accessible on header.
May 03 20:01:51 <bender_> you using beaglebone black or classic?
May 03 20:01:52 <KotH> haksaw: these are C functions that are called
May 03 20:02:18 <bender_> in /dev/ i only see reference to i2c0 and i2c1
May 03 20:02:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm using classic, but indexes are the same. linux indexes are one higher than device bus indexes.
May 03 20:02:29 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> never mind! i guess they changed it completely.
May 03 20:02:46 <KotH> haksaw: ie, the interesting bits are compiled into IO.so
May 03 20:02:48 <mru> and in fortran they're one higher again?
May 03 20:03:05 <bender_> _av500_ how did you check that?
May 03 20:03:19 <_av500_> I read the TRM
May 03 20:03:46 <bender_> oh, there isn't a way to read the state on the device?
May 03 20:03:51 <haksaw> KotH: so do you think im making a stupid mistake somewhere, or is this a Bug?
May 03 20:03:58 <_av500_> bender_: sure is
May 03 20:04:02 <_av500_> read "pins"
May 03 20:04:10 <_av500_> it gives you all the pinmux register values
May 03 20:04:20 <KotH> haksaw: i have never used IO:Poll myself, but from the looks of the manpage, this seems like how it should be used
May 03 20:04:43 <bender_> i'm seeing it now
May 03 20:04:50 <haksaw> Ive rewrote it in C and it works, so go figure
May 03 20:04:51 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ugh...so they changed i2c indexes. so to beaglebone people, backwards compatible means you'll need all new software, and we're going to wipe out > 15 io pins.
May 03 20:05:15 <KotH> haksaw: uhmm. wait a sec... are you sure that $d0 and $d1 are references to filehandles?
May 03 20:05:27 <bender_> <PRU_EVTOUT> Which sensor and logic converter did you use?
May 03 20:05:53 <haksaw> yeah, they are returned by fd_open()
May 03 20:06:45 <woglinde> haksaw why using perl when you can do it in c?
May 03 20:07:21 <mru> awk!
May 03 20:07:24 <KotH> haksaw: yeah.. that looks like the mistake
May 03 20:07:24 <haksaw> woglinde: build up my perl chops
May 03 20:07:46 <KotH> haksaw: my $blah; open $blah, "file", "mode";
May 03 20:08:05 <KotH> haksaw: returning FILE will not do what you think it does
May 03 20:08:22 <bender_> just tried some 10k ohm pullups...still a no-go.  Scans super slow from 0x59 - 0x77
May 03 20:11:07 <ka6sox> perls befor swine chops?
May 03 20:11:07 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm assuming you don't have a scope at this point.
May 03 20:11:23 <KotH> haksaw: alternatively return \*FILE;
May 03 20:11:45 <mru> typeglobs ftw
May 03 20:11:54 <bender_> very very old
May 03 20:12:12 <Tartarus> Anyone around with a rev A6 beaglebone black that they can drop into u-boot on?
May 03 20:12:24 <_av500_> A4 only
May 03 20:12:27 <mru> +1
May 03 20:12:33 <KotH> bender_: if it is slow, but works, i'd guess you have the wrong clock setting
May 03 20:12:34 <_av500_> mru: thats A5 then?
May 03 20:12:50 <mru> I wish
May 03 20:13:10 <bender_> Tek 2232
May 03 20:13:20 <_av500_> any scope will do for I2C
May 03 20:13:40 <Tartarus> Just need the first line out of 'md 0x44E10600'
May 03 20:13:44 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bender_: it's only a few hundred khz. use it!
May 03 20:13:55 <_av500_> Tartarus: sorry, I dont do magic numbers
May 03 20:14:14 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'm guessing you'll see your digital signals are taking long vacations into analog land, or something similar.
May 03 20:14:14 <_av500_> and I have no A6
May 03 20:14:16 <bender_> KotH i don't see and registers populated so i'm not sure if it's "working'
May 03 20:14:30 <Tartarus> _av500_: you have A4 only anyhow :)
May 03 20:14:56 <ka6sox> Tartarus, that reminds me I need to order a A5
May 03 20:14:58 <_av500_> us conscripts only get the old stuff
May 03 20:15:23 <Tartarus> ka6sox: production is A6, dunno if you can order A5
May 03 20:15:24 <ka6sox> no PRUs in an A4
May 03 20:15:28 <Tartarus> at least, that's what I'd swear
May 03 20:15:28 <bender_> honestly i haven't used a scope since high school :(
May 03 20:15:53 <Tartarus> _av500_: I'm only marginally better, I've got A5a and _chase_ offered to buy me an A6
May 03 20:15:57 <bender_> don't mind giving it whirl though
May 03 20:16:05 <Tartarus> Right now I'm just trying to satisfy some curiosity
May 03 20:16:07 * _av500_ looks up to _chase_ 
May 03 20:16:15 <ka6sox> Tartarus, then A6 it is!
May 03 20:16:22 <_av500_> with puppy dog eyes
May 03 20:16:27 <Russ> a4a ftw!
May 03 20:16:37 <_chase_> _av500_: sorry, what are we talking about?
May 03 20:16:46 <Russ> no idea
May 03 20:16:46 <KotH> bender_: then get out a scope, logicanalyzer or whatever and have a look at the signals
May 03 20:16:56 <KotH> bender_: guessing wont get you any further
May 03 20:17:33 <ka6sox> digikey is taking my order...lets see if that happens.
May 03 20:17:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> only further...INTO INSANITY!
May 03 20:18:02 <_av500_> _chase_: I heard you are passing out blackss
May 03 20:18:30 <_chase_> I did just order some
May 03 20:19:14 <bender_> KotH > setting it up at the moment
May 03 20:21:29 <djlewis> interesting.. 37 topics today with 17 having the BBB in title..
May 03 20:23:07 <KotH> night boys
May 03 20:23:35 <_av500_> night girl
May 03 20:25:15 <woglinde> nite koth
May 03 20:26:42 <ka6sox> nite KotH I'll get you some books when I see you next
May 03 20:26:56 <ka6sox> DK said they had 30 BBB
May 03 20:27:05 <ka6sox> so lets see if they ship
May 03 20:30:00 <grantsmith> I'm adding a sd card to my new BBB. should i just insert it while on and I should see a new mountpoint ?
May 03 20:31:08 <grantsmith> or does it have to be powered off first ?
May 03 20:31:29 <mru> there have been reports of sd card hot-insertion not being detected properly
May 03 20:31:42 <mru> probably a software problem
May 03 20:31:53 <mru> but if it doesn't work, try turning it off and on again
May 03 20:32:37 <m_billybob> any reprts of the bbb runing for roughly a day, then not responding to ssh / web  traffic ?
May 03 20:33:04 <mru> that's when you want that serial console
May 03 20:33:05 <grantsmith> mru: ok i'll try that thanks
May 03 20:33:17 <jkroon> _av500_, when conecting a custom monitor, shouldnt it be the same lcd signals that are output by for instance the 7inch display cape ? Would the code for that cape driver be a good starting point for writing a custom driver ?
May 03 20:33:21 <m_billybob> last couple of days thats what ive expeprienced, but could be my problem ? wouldnt know what i did, except i did net upgrade to 3.8.8 kernel
May 03 20:33:22 <grantsmith> mru: will it try to boot from the new sd though ?
May 03 20:33:36 <mru> try and find out
May 03 20:33:43 <grantsmith> k
May 03 20:34:45 <_av500_> jkroon: sure
May 03 20:35:30 <grantsmith> mru: does't look like it wants to boot.. 3 LEDS just stay on
May 03 20:35:35 <grantsmith> grr
May 03 20:35:50 <jkroon> _av500_,cant find the code in my oe kernel build tree though ...
May 03 20:35:52 <mru> insert it just as the kernel is loading then :)
May 03 20:35:59 <mru> before the kernel probes it
May 03 20:37:37 <woglinde> how many boot leds has the rpi?
May 03 20:40:33 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> woglinde: is this a riddle?
May 03 20:46:45 <woglinde> PRU_EVTOUT_2 no only the daily rpi vs. bbb round 3
May 03 20:46:55 <cyronin> hey, is anybody having problems with the beaglebone ubuntu 12.04 image?
May 03 20:48:03 <cyronin> init is going into a kernel_hung_task, and I'm not quite sure where to start troubleshooting that...
May 03 20:57:15 <m_billybob> cyronin, bbb or the bbw ? reason why i ask is there is supposed to be a special txt file when booting with dc card inserted. what I've read seems to indicate that if this file does not exist, or doesnt have the rigth parameters in it, somethign like what you describe happens.
May 03 20:57:32 <m_billybob> booting with sd card inserted*
May 03 21:04:21 <cyronin> bbw, I'm using the ubuntu sd card script
May 03 21:05:07 <m_billybob> ah yeah, what i just said applies to the black. Not sure abotu the white
May 03 21:06:14 <m_billybob> cyronin, for what its worth derrik molloy on youtube has some vids on how to setup the bbw with ubuntu . . . dont know if they would be of some help for you or not.
May 03 21:06:28 <m_billybob> anyhow back to the salt mine for me, be back later.
May 03 21:06:37 <cyronin> see ya
May 03 21:06:46 <cyronin> i cant even find the 12.04 image that I had
May 03 21:06:53 <grantsmith> ok i seriously need help with getting this SD card to work. Its a 16GB class 10 Samsung.. any help would be appreciated
May 03 21:08:12 <Dalek_> Need some help trying to update the kernal on the BBB and I keep getting no space left on device errors, I tried putting  a 4gb flash drive into it and trying to patch from that directory but I still run out of space
May 03 21:11:45 <CareBear\> probably you are trying to put too much stuff on ther
May 03 21:11:46 <CareBear\> e
May 03 21:12:46 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Dalek_: maybe the old opkg temp dir problem? try specifying a different temp dir with -t command line. dir has to exist.
May 03 21:12:58 <grantsmith> could my problem be that i'm trying to do this in tethered mode ?
May 03 21:13:48 <_av500_> tethered?
May 03 21:14:06 <grantsmith> connected to a linux machine via usb
May 03 21:14:14 <grantsmith> then ssh into it..
May 03 21:14:44 <ka6sox> _av500_, a USB cable makes a FINE tether for a Beagle
May 03 21:14:58 <ka6sox> or is that Leash?
May 03 21:15:39 <grantsmith> i also just tried to insert a USB wifi dongle into the BBB (which i know works on a raspberry pi) and there are absolutely no notices in dmesg
May 03 21:15:40 <Dalek_> PRU_EVTOUT_2 that maybe it
May 03 21:17:17 <grantsmith> so my thinking is that if the networking is using usb0, then for some reason other hardware discovery fails
May 03 21:18:29 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Dalek_: /tmp is a memory disk, so it fills up quick.
May 03 21:18:45 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err...used to be. the world is moving too fast for me too keep up with.
May 03 21:19:41 <cyronin> okay, so I use the 13.04 script contained here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Raring_13.04_armhf
May 03 21:19:49 <cyronin> and build an sd card
May 03 21:19:55 <cyronin> plug it into the bbw
May 03 21:20:03 <cyronin> and the kernel boots
May 03 21:20:07 <cyronin> but then init hangs
May 03 21:20:39 <Dalek_> PRU_EVTOUT_2 just to check  to use the t flag I do ./patch.sh -t local_temp/
May 03 21:25:17 <haksaw> KotH: Finaly got it to work. had to put a <FD>; before setting up the poll
May 03 21:26:57 <grantsmith> regarding my SD card / USB device discovery problem. It appears that systemd-udev crashes when in tethered mode
May 03 21:27:09 <grantsmith> so device discovery then fails
May 03 21:27:31 <mru> well ain't that quality software
May 03 21:29:02 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Dalek_: i thought you were talking about opkg update. -t is an opkg argument.
May 03 21:29:15 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> Dalek_: i don't know what your patch.sh does.
May 03 21:33:13 <Dalek_> PRU_EVTOUT_2 I was told to download the git repo (github.com/beagleboard/kernel) and run the patch.sh file. I need to enable the PRU on my BBB
May 03 21:41:01 <Dalek_> PRU_EVTOUT_2 sorry my connection was frozen, did you respond to my last question?
May 03 21:41:31 <_av500_> run patch.sh
May 03 21:43:50 <Dalek_> hey cmicali_,  I am having trouble updating the kernel, it keeps giving me out of memory error (i tried to run it off a 4gb flash drive too)
May 03 21:44:04 <cmicali_>  dale: what's giving you the error, the compile?
May 03 21:46:24 <Dalek_> camical_: It says No space availble when making arch/title/inclue/uapi/asm
May 03 21:46:38 <cmicali_> are you building the kernel on the beaglebone?
May 03 21:46:57 <Dalek_> yes, should I not be?
May 03 21:47:02 <mru> did you "make space" first? :)
May 03 21:47:11 <mru> it's quicker and easier to build the kernel on a pc
May 03 21:47:28 <cmicali_> yeah - i wouldn't recommend building the kernel on the bb
May 03 21:47:38 <bender_> not having much luck with my older Tek 2232 oscope...i'll pick up a logic analyzer.
May 03 21:47:39 <Dalek_> will do, for some reason I was thinking it had to be made on bb.. no idea why
May 03 21:47:55 <cmicali_> what is your host machine, pc, mac, linux?
May 03 21:48:10 <Dalek_> mac
May 03 21:48:28 <_av500_> i'm sorry
May 03 21:48:41 <cmicali_> dalek: do you have a copy of parallels or vmware fusion?
May 03 21:49:00 <Dalek_> yes, I have vm of linux and windows
May 03 21:49:13 <cmicali_> the easiest way is to use an ubuntu vm
May 03 21:49:32 <cmicali_> http://azkeller.com/blog/?p=129
May 03 21:49:38 <cmicali_> that tutorial is pretty good
May 03 21:49:55 <cmicali_> basically just step 2 - the apt-get the required packages
May 03 21:50:07 <cmicali_> and then build with step 5 instructions
May 03 21:56:13 <Tartarus> Anyone have older revs of the sprs71 doc around?  I want to know what the voltage range for PG 1.0 is @ 720MHz
May 03 21:56:27 <cmicali> rev c ok?
May 03 21:56:37 <Tartarus> probably
May 03 21:56:42 <cmicali> 1 sec
May 03 21:56:47 <Tartarus> What's table 3-7 list
May 03 21:57:18 <Tartarus> for VDD_MPU NOM value
May 03 21:59:37 <cmicali> hm i can't find a table 3-7
May 03 21:59:56 <cmicali> 1 sec it'll be in dropbox
May 03 22:00:10 <cmicali> Tartarus: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c8azxcf2hqnyccm/am335x_trm_revc_with_pru.pdf
May 03 22:00:54 <Tartarus> Ah, that's spruh (our doc names suck sometimes :( )
May 03 22:01:08 <cmicali> ah sorry
May 03 22:01:17 <Tartarus> sprs doesn't have a nice title page that says what it's called
May 03 22:01:38 <Tartarus> thanks tho
May 03 22:01:58 <cmicali> i have some renamed PDFs - which doc is it i may have it under a different name
May 03 22:02:33 <Tartarus> It's just "Sitara AM335x ARM Cortex-A8 Microprocessors (MPUs)"
May 03 22:02:57 <Tartarus> If you search the pdf it will says sprs717 in it :)
May 03 22:03:04 <cmicali> ok
May 03 22:03:58 <cmicali> ugh vpn is slow
May 03 22:04:35 <cmicali> sorry, no dice
May 03 22:04:50 <cmicali> although looks like spruh has "sprs717" in it :), referring to the doc
May 03 22:04:55 <Tartarus> ha
May 03 22:04:57 <Tartarus> thanks anyhow
May 03 22:05:47 <cmicali> np
May 03 22:07:40 <cmicali> Tartarus: Score: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ora6806izctmra/datasheet.pdf
May 03 22:07:50 <cmicali> rev from oct 2011
May 03 22:08:25 <Tartarus> woo! thanks!
May 03 22:08:50 <cmicali> anytime
May 03 22:11:56 <Tartarus> Big changes in the doc, ha
May 03 22:13:24 <Tartarus> And, magical looking value explained, always a plus
May 03 22:14:34 <cmicali> no better feeling than finally uncovering the source of a magic value
May 03 22:15:32 <_av500_> 54!
May 03 22:28:45 <chupacabra> bbb up and running
May 03 22:43:56 <ka6sox> I think mor than a few people here could use this: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920028116.do?code=DRM2013
May 03 22:46:28 <mdp> good idea
May 03 22:46:37 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pffft...books? true knowledge comes from irc.
May 03 22:52:24 <crashovrd> the source code is the documentation!
May 03 22:52:48 <chupacabra> oh no.  The dreaded 'NO SSH' problem
May 03 23:00:00 <chandler> Hi folks. I'm seeing some weirdness with USB on my new beaglebone black. Basically the first time I connect a USB device (flash drive), it enumerates, but after unplugging it and reinserting it, it doesn't appear to enumerate or even get power.
May 03 23:00:22 <chandler> I'm powering the board with a standalone 3A 5V power supply via the barrel connector.
May 03 23:00:57 <chandler> The measured supply voltage is 5.15V, which I'd expect to be within tolerance.
May 03 23:01:52 <Russ> iirc, that was a known issue that is being worked on
May 03 23:02:24 <Russ> do an lsusb
May 03 23:03:20 <chandler> yeah, it's not there. never saw any messages from the kernel either
May 03 23:03:30 <chandler> and there's no 5V at the socket
May 03 23:03:50 <Russ> hmm...I had read that running lsusb would force the bus to rescan
May 03 23:04:28 <ka6sox> mdp, and today its 1/2 off!
May 03 23:05:20 <chandler> Russ: is the known issue documented somewhere?
May 03 23:06:38 <Russ> not that I'm aware with, check with panto when he's around though
May 03 23:11:55 <mru> Russ: lsusb just pokes around in /sys or /proc and prints what it finds
May 03 23:12:28 <Russ> then run it as sudo
May 03 23:12:38 <chandler> I'm root on the bone
May 03 23:13:12 <chandler> I can make it work again if I unbind the usb device from the usb driver and then unbind musb-hdrc.1.auto from musb-hdrc, then rebind it
May 03 23:13:28 <Russ> 'There's a problem with hotplug USB detection. Issue lsusb and it should rescan the bus. We're working on it... Regards -- Pantelis'
May 03 23:13:55 <chandler> e.g. cd /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usb; echo usb# > unbind; cd /sys/bus/platform/drivers/musb-hdrc/; echo musb-hdrc.1.auto > unbind; echo musb-hdrc.1.auto > bind
May 03 23:16:44 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> BBB = Beaglebone Beta :D
May 03 23:17:06 <ka6sox> brutal PRU_EVTOUT_2
May 03 23:17:29 <ka6sox> PRU_EVTOUT_2, does that make the White one Alpha?
May 03 23:17:33 <chandler> I'm having similar (though not quite as bad) weirdness on our regular beaglebones
May 03 23:17:58 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> don't ruin my joke chandler.
May 03 23:18:06 <chandler> I'd guess that the behavior difference here is just the kernel version
May 03 23:18:08 <chandler> heh
May 03 23:18:31 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> fine, BBB = Beaglebone Bleeding-edge.
May 03 23:23:08 <chandler> that's more like it :-)
May 03 23:24:59 <grantsmith> chandler: I'm having similar problems with SD cards not being recognized
May 03 23:25:23 <Russ> grantsmith, that'd actually be a very different problem
May 03 23:25:24 <grantsmith> plug in the SD.. not a kernel message in sight
May 03 23:25:36 <grantsmith> plug anything into USB too.. nothing.
May 03 23:25:55 <mrpackethead> when does BBW go EOL?
May 03 23:26:01 <chandler> the USB and SD issues are probably quite different
May 03 23:26:56 <grantsmith> I'm finding zero documentation anywhere. I guess it IS bleeding edge
May 03 23:27:14 <Russ> grantsmith, SRM
May 03 23:27:46 <grantsmith> Russ, the SRM makes no mention of ading an SD card for extra space on the BBB
May 03 23:27:51 <grantsmith> adding*
May 03 23:28:10 <Russ> who's got the red nail polish btw?
May 03 23:28:26 <mrpackethead> I'm just going to order those FPGA cape PCB's
May 03 23:29:05 <Russ> the way the uSD card is wired up is documented under 6.5
May 03 23:29:08 <mrpackethead> 50 Pces.
May 03 23:29:17 <mrpackethead> so there will be plenty of them spare
May 03 23:30:02 <grantsmith> Russ, I couldn't care less how it's wired up. I simply want to add an SD card and have access to it
May 03 23:31:24 <grantsmith> I'm beginning to suspect that the problem is using the default Angston distro, and that it will probably work if I switched to Ubuntu
May 03 23:31:33 <grantsmith> Angstrom*
May 03 23:31:55 <chandler> Is the GPIO mux present in the BBB-shipped version of Angstrom?
May 03 23:31:55 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, I was confuzed...is that in USD Or NZD?
May 03 23:32:02 <chandler> (of the kernel, I guess)
May 03 23:32:29 <supersaw> does the beagle board support 24hz display refresh rate?
May 03 23:37:06 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: what was what in NZD?
May 03 23:39:00 <ka6sox> the numbers in the email.
May 03 23:39:01 <ka6sox> sorry
May 03 23:39:15 <ka6sox> iSleepy
May 03 23:43:19 <mrpackethead> oh, $USD
May 03 23:43:54 <mrpackethead> i was going to think about getting them assembled
May 03 23:44:05 <mrpackethead> but its just a stack of hassle i dont' need
May 03 23:44:11 <ka6sox> true
May 03 23:44:17 <ka6sox> I'll email you.
May 03 23:44:51 <mranostay> morning-o
May 03 23:45:54 <mru> troll-o
May 04 00:02:50 <HerrBrand> Hello gentlmen, i have a quastion about adressing GPIO from C code compiled with code sourcery.
May 04 00:03:13 <mru> I question compiling with code sourcery
May 04 00:03:44 <HerrBrand> I can address the GPIO via the /sys/class/gpio framework or via the gpio.h library
May 04 00:03:57 <HerrBrand> which is recommerd? and whats the difference?
May 04 00:07:16 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> what's in gpio.h?
May 04 00:07:33 <HerrBrand> it's a standard linux library
May 04 00:07:33 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err...gpio.c i suppose.
May 04 00:09:34 <evilwulfie> so my BBB boots ok and i can ssh into it after i did a reflash of the image
May 04 00:11:37 <HB> r
May 04 00:13:35 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> HerrBrand: looks like they use the same underlying calls. performance will probably be better with gpio.h since you're not doing a bunch of file open/close for each state change.
May 04 00:54:51 <Dalek_> Hello
May 04 00:57:09 <malcom2073> Hello
May 04 00:57:18 <aot2002> hello
May 04 00:57:27 * vvu|Mobile greets !
May 04 01:00:04 <Dalek_> I am trying to enable PRU on the BBB, and so far I have cloned the kernal for github, checked out origin, and ran the shell script. Now I know I need to add "&pruss: {  status = "okay";  };" , but I don't know where
May 04 01:04:09 <zebe42> Anyone know what the LEDs look like when you are installing a new image on the eMMC? I can't tell if I've blown the original image by updating and powering off early or if I never really started the update.
May 04 01:04:24 <Rectorb> Guten tag everyone. Just a quick question (This has probably been asked many times)... Has anybody been having Ubuntu 13.04 flickering problems?
May 04 01:04:47 <zebe42> by the way, this is on the BBB
May 04 01:05:56 <Guest20760> hi, I updated my BBB yesterday and since then it doesnt boot anymore. I tried with a sd card but when I boot it while pressing the user button, I get no lights except for the power one
May 04 01:06:02 <Guest20760> is that normal^
May 04 01:06:28 <Rect> Ah, freenode.
May 04 01:09:15 <zebe42> Guest20760, I'm having a simliar problem.. what did the LEDs do when you were updating the BBB? I'm trying to update it now, but I don't know what the LEDs do when it is in the middle of updating.
May 04 01:09:41 <Dalek_>  am trying to enable PRU on the BBB, and so far I have cloned the kernal for github, checked out origin, and ran the shell script. Now I know I need to add "&pruss: {  status = "okay";  };" , but I don't know where, anyone have experience enabling PRU?
May 04 01:11:59 <Russ> in the .dts
May 04 01:14:01 <evilwulfie> how is everybody in boneland doing
May 04 01:15:21 <Guest20760> trying to  make my board work properly.
May 04 01:15:47 <Russ> Guest20760, maybe you didn't make your SD card right
May 04 01:15:50 <Guest20760> update prevent it to boot
May 04 01:16:54 <Guest20760> Well, I downloaded the image, unzipped it and burnt it to my sd with the software suggested on the beagleboard page
May 04 01:17:45 <Russ> and when you plug it into a computer, do you see partitions named BEAGLE_BONE and eMMC-Flasher?
May 04 01:18:09 <Dalek_> Russ:  I am looking in arch/arm/boot/dts and There are 20 dts files, (I am using beaglebone black), which one would it be?
May 04 01:18:20 <Russ> am335x-bone.dts
May 04 01:19:56 <Guest20760> is it normal that I do not have a single light lit up when booting from th sd?
May 04 01:20:10 <Russ> and when you plug it into a computer, do you see partitions named BEAGLE_BONE and eMMC-Flasher?
May 04 01:20:49 <aot2002> How is the beagle bone black have higher processor speed then the more expensive beagle bone?
May 04 01:21:05 <Russ> newer faster better cheaper
May 04 01:21:36 <Guest20760> Well the sd is now named beagle_bone with few files in it like uboot.img, mlo, id.txt etc
May 04 01:21:59 <Russ> that's a good sign
May 04 01:22:20 <Guest20760> although i do not see the emmc flasher anyware
May 04 01:22:25 <Guest20760> anywhere
May 04 01:22:34 <Russ> which os?
May 04 01:22:44 <Guest20760> osx 10.8
May 04 01:23:02 <Guest20760> i burnt the image on w8 on a vm
May 04 01:23:09 <Russ> its ext4, so you might not see it
May 04 01:23:26 <Russ> which emmc-flasher did you download?
May 04 01:23:38 <Guest20760> the last image available on the website
May 04 01:24:14 <Guest20760> BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.04.13-DDR3-400MHz.img.xz
May 04 01:24:20 <evilwulfie> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software
May 04 01:24:22 <evilwulfie> all there
May 04 01:25:20 <Russ> can you try redownloading and recreating your SD card? maybe it didn't write completely
May 04 01:25:36 <Russ> and you are holding down S2 on powerup, right?
May 04 01:25:36 <Guest20760> Ive done it multiple time, but i will do it again
May 04 01:25:44 <Guest20760> yes
May 04 01:25:55 <Guest20760> when i do not press i get 3 steady light
May 04 01:26:04 <Guest20760> but if i try to boot from sd none of them lit
May 04 01:27:31 <Guest20760> any preferable partition type for the sd?
May 04 01:28:23 <Dalek_> Russ: I can't seem to find am335x-bone.dts, maybe I have the wrong kernal? (I cloned github.com/beagleboard/kernel)
May 04 01:29:02 <Russ> did you check out the right branch?
May 04 01:29:40 <evilwulfie> Guest20760  whole thing fat 32
May 04 01:29:43 <thurbad> Guest20760: one that can be read by the os and/or the bootloader
May 04 01:30:19 <Dalek_> Russ: "git checkout origin/beaglebone-3.2 -b beaglebone-3.2ls" (from the readme file)
May 04 01:31:16 <Russ> how about the 3.8 branch
May 04 01:31:24 <Guest20760> Thanks, will do it again.
May 04 01:31:34 <ptan> Hmmmmm... with everyone having all these upgrade problems, I'm leaving my BBB with the original OS
May 04 01:32:19 <zebe42> hmmm... I thought I saw a richer tutorial enviorment at Design West on the BBB. I was hoping for some PWM javascript inline code tutorial from the 192.168.7.2. Was considering teaching some kids a little robotics and JavaScript.
May 04 01:33:04 <Spirilis> I'm of the hopeful opinion the BBB environment will get much more polished in 1 or 2 official firmware updates... lol
May 04 01:33:49 <cmicali> so...
May 04 01:33:51 <cmicali> the capemanager
May 04 01:33:52 <Dalek_> Russ: I will give it a try, thanks
May 04 01:33:52 <Spirilis> until then I'm scrounging sleds/breadboards/building DipTrace component libraries/etc. until I eventually find myself with time to dive in
May 04 01:33:56 <cmicali> by default is reserving a lot of pins
May 04 01:34:12 <cmicali> suggested way to stop that?
May 04 01:34:24 <cmicali> other than hacking the cape DTS files?
May 04 01:36:01 <cmicali> Dalek: i think you actually want am335x-boneblack.dts
May 04 02:06:01 <Guest20760> I still have the same problem :(
May 04 02:06:17 <Guest20760> No lights... I cant figure what I do wromg
May 04 02:58:33 <Dalek_> Russ are you still here?
May 04 02:59:16 <Dalek_> Russ: are you still here? I am trying to make the kernel but I get the error "make: *** No rule to make target `uImage'.  Stop." I am following the instructions in README.md
May 04 02:59:47 <prpplague> Dalek_: Russ is never really there.... we kind of refer to him as permanently out to lunch
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