**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 07 02:59:59 2013
May 07 03:01:16 <terisk> mogen317: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/beagleboard/beaglebone-black/G_QjWvBNXvc
May 07 03:02:16 <mogen317> Thanks.  It looks like I'm not the only one having this problem
May 07 03:04:38 <terisk> mogen317: nope, I've pasted that link twice tonight
May 07 03:04:58 <terisk> ...reflashed my own emmc
May 07 03:08:29 <mogen317> Looking at the instructions for flashing the eMMC.  I don't have access to Windows.  Can I dd the image to a micro SD card?
May 07 03:10:43 <MH_> mogen317 what os are you using?
May 07 03:12:12 <mogen317> ubuntu
May 07 03:12:14 <MH_> mogen317 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromImgFiles
May 07 03:14:52 <ds2> Hmmmm
May 07 03:30:58 <mrpackethead> mmm, so shoudl i go and get a beagle black out of its box
May 07 03:31:55 <ssi> mrpackethead: depends what you're gonna do to it
May 07 03:31:57 <ssi> er, with it ;)
May 07 03:32:38 <ssi> mrpackethead: is that a keling stepper driver in the pic next to your BBBs?
May 07 03:32:50 <mrpackethead> it is
May 07 03:32:57 <mrpackethead> whys that
May 07 03:33:02 <ssi> just curious
May 07 03:33:08 <mrpackethead> my other project
May 07 03:33:17 <ssi> yea?
May 07 03:33:21 <mrpackethead> i'm converting a Seig X3 Mill to CNC
May 07 03:33:25 <ssi> nice
May 07 03:33:32 <ssi> I'm writing a bbb gpio driver for HAL :)
May 07 03:33:36 <ssi> (linuxcnc)
May 07 03:33:37 <mrpackethead> i've litterally just finsihed all the mechanicals
May 07 03:33:49 <mrpackethead> all the motors are in
May 07 03:34:00 <mrpackethead> replaced teh X,Y and Z screws, and bearings
May 07 03:34:03 <mrpackethead> and got it all lined up
May 07 03:34:08 <ssi> I've got a handful of conversions
May 07 03:34:21 <ssi> have a G0704 that needs finishing
May 07 03:34:24 <ssi> it'll be servo tho
May 07 03:34:43 <mrpackethead> yeah, steppers are toys
May 07 03:34:47 <mrpackethead> when it comes down to it
May 07 03:34:59 <ssi> I have a g0602 running on steppers and keling drivers
May 07 03:35:09 <ssi> and a 4x4' plasma table running steppers on a G540
May 07 03:35:15 <ssi> that one is actually being re-converted now
May 07 03:35:21 <ssi> it was one of the first machines I built, and it was running mach3
May 07 03:35:27 <ssi> but it's going over to linuxcnc now
May 07 03:35:54 <mrpackethead> i have a smoothstepper ethernet contoller
May 07 03:36:00 <ssi> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/253334_10100133670565622_1712486917_n.jpg
May 07 03:36:13 <ssi> that little homebuilt engraving machine might end up being the first linuxcnc beaglebone black controlled machine :D
May 07 03:36:30 <mrpackethead> maybe
May 07 03:37:05 <ssi> need to see where they're at with the PRU stepgen
May 07 03:37:13 <ssi> I'll have the gpio driver done tonight or tomorrow
May 07 03:38:14 <mrpackethead> i need to find some wiring details now
May 07 03:38:17 <mrpackethead> for the mill
May 07 03:38:19 <ssi> probably tomorrow since it's late and I'm gabbing a lot
May 07 03:38:41 <ssi> what'd you use for screws?
May 07 03:38:43 <ssi> roton?
May 07 03:39:24 <mrpackethead> zhttp://www.cncfusion.com/images/X3mounts/ABBA%20ballscrew%20kit/3-14-08/IMG_1102.JPG
May 07 03:39:38 <mrpackethead> http://www.cncfusion.com/images/X3mounts/ABBA%20ballscrew%20kit/3-14-08/IMG_1102.JPG
May 07 03:39:41 <ssi> aha
May 07 03:39:53 <mrpackethead> kit set
May 07 03:40:12 <ssi> yea I remember looking at those a couple years ago when I bought the g0704
May 07 03:40:17 <ssi> (yea I sat on this project way too long)
May 07 03:40:45 <mrpackethead> its all pretty nice.
May 07 03:40:55 <mrpackethead> it all fitted together without any issues.
May 07 03:40:59 <ssi> yeah
May 07 03:41:09 <ssi> I didn't buy anything like that because it was spendy and I have a manual mill
May 07 03:41:16 <ssi> but the joke's on me, because I haven't worked on it
May 07 03:41:26 <mrpackethead> you were going to make your own bits?
May 07 03:41:28 <malcom2073> Man, I need to get my mill built up. I have all the controllers, steppers, even a touch PC, just need to build the frame and get some nice ballscrews.
May 07 03:41:31 <ssi> yeah
May 07 03:41:33 <ssi> I made some of them
May 07 03:41:48 <mrpackethead> i guess i could hve
May 07 03:41:57 <mrpackethead> but some of those bits wodl be hard to make manually
May 07 03:41:58 <ssi> hell I built this whole machine from scratch out of barstock:
May 07 03:41:58 <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p206x206/309920_10100133657681442_251706433_n.jpg
May 07 03:42:19 <MH_> haha I think I've seen that somewhere before
May 07 03:42:40 <malcom2073> I'm torn between a CNC, and a reprap. All I wanna do is make enclosures, but CNC'ed enclosures are so much cooler :)
May 07 03:42:44 <ssi> I did a conversion on my g0602 lathe from scratch too
May 07 03:42:45 <ssi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywBOYxhBpSI
May 07 03:42:51 <mrpackethead> lol.. i have a replicator
May 07 03:43:14 <ssi> mrpackethead: CNC is gonna be a lot more money
May 07 03:43:21 <ssi> and time
May 07 03:43:30 <ssi> repraps are cheap and quick and clean
May 07 03:43:41 <malcom2073> But you can do much more with a CNC
May 07 03:43:42 <ssi> don't get me wrong, I love cnc machines, but it's a rabbit hole :)
May 07 03:43:51 <malcom2073> My dad has a full sized heh, I know
May 07 03:44:03 <ssi> I got started with them because I wanted to cut an instrument panel for an airplane I'm building
May 07 03:44:09 <ssi> and so I built a 4x4 plasma table
May 07 03:44:11 <malcom2073> Lol
May 07 03:44:29 <ssi> and then I needed a lathe... and a mill... and another lathe... and a surface grinder.... and another mill... and another lathe...
May 07 03:44:39 <ssi> oh and don't forget TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS worth of tooling
May 07 03:44:44 <malcom2073> heh
May 07 03:44:56 <malcom2073> Adds up real fast.
May 07 03:45:03 <ssi> yeah it does
May 07 03:45:42 <ssi> I just got done doing this conversion:
May 07 03:45:42 <ssi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyJcJFSSqyU
May 07 03:47:09 <mrpackethead> what is it making?
May 07 03:47:24 <ssi> drilling holes in pvc
May 07 03:47:29 <mrpackethead> yeah
May 07 03:47:31 <mrpackethead> but what is it
May 07 03:47:34 <ssi> did it for a company that makes big farming fixtures out of it
May 07 03:47:41 <MH_> ssi are you running any of these machines with the bone and linuxcnc now?
May 07 03:47:49 <ssi> MH_: bone's not quite that far along yet
May 07 03:47:56 <ssi> I have it blinking lights from HAL, that's about it ;)
May 07 03:47:59 <malcom2073> lol
May 07 03:48:13 <ssi> I'll have the P8/P9 inputs and outputs working here shortly
May 07 03:48:28 <ssi> then i'll dive in and help folks with the PRU stepgen and pwmgens
May 07 03:50:22 <MH_> very cool, is there a source site for the bone developments?
May 07 03:50:52 <ssi> http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb?p=emc2-dev.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/bb-hal-gpio
May 07 03:57:58 <Shadyman> Anyone have any idea why I've never received samples from TI? There's no "declined" email or anything, just, nothing ever happens.
May 07 03:58:01 * Shadyman headscratches.
May 07 03:58:28 <Shadyman> it's like my requests go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
May 07 03:58:49 <ds2> call your sales rep?
May 07 03:59:21 <Shadyman> don't have one, per se. I typically order through distributors
May 07 04:00:42 <Shadyman> but that's a plan.
May 07 04:01:16 <agathphe1> hello everybody
May 07 04:01:21 <Shadyman> hi Dr. Nick!
May 07 04:01:36 <nooba> hello
May 07 04:01:52 <nooba> can anyone tell me why should I use beagleboard?
May 07 04:02:42 <ds2> Guess it was self evident
May 07 04:04:09 <Shadyman> ds2: indeed
May 07 04:04:09 <thurgood> if you need to ask it's probably not for you
May 07 04:05:41 <agathphe1> guys, I got this BB board,
May 07 04:05:51 <agathphe1> it reports this in its eeprom: A335BONE00A62812BB000084
May 07 04:06:12 <ka6sox> ...
May 07 04:06:28 <agathphe1> this in uname -a: Linux beaglebone 3.2.5+ #1 Mon Feb 13 19:22:44 CET 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
May 07 04:07:29 <agathphe1> I am planning to use it in some hobbist automation, and for starters am trying to control the LEDs which are connected to GPIOs 21..24, if we are to believe the docs/scheamtics
May 07 04:07:46 <agathphe1> the problem is that I don't seem to be able to control the LEDs
May 07 04:07:55 <ssi> how are you going about it
May 07 04:08:02 <agathphe1> echo <num> /sys/class/gpio/export
May 07 04:08:19 <agathphe1> does create the appropriate directoryies in /sys/class/gpio
May 07 04:08:44 <agathphe1> then I echo 'out' into direction in the approrpiate directory
May 07 04:08:59 <agathphe1> and then I try echoing 0 or 1 into the value files
May 07 04:09:09 <ssi> what number are you using?
May 07 04:09:14 <agathphe1> one LED is blinking all the time, and the rest are off, no matter what I do
May 07 04:09:25 <agathphe1> 21..24?
May 07 04:09:32 <ssi> they're GPIO1 21-24
May 07 04:09:42 <ssi> GPIO1 starts at 32
May 07 04:09:50 <ssi> so they're 53-56
May 07 04:09:51 <agathphe1> ah, so I should be using 53..57?
May 07 04:09:58 <agathphe1> yes, 53..56
May 07 04:10:02 <agathphe1> ok, let me try
May 07 04:11:05 <agathphe1> echo: write error: Device or resource busy
May 07 04:11:19 <agathphe1> on all values 53 to 56
May 07 04:11:29 <ssi> yep, that's a different issue
May 07 04:11:34 <ssi> the kernel gpio_leds driver owns those pins
May 07 04:11:39 <ssi> there may be a way to disable it, but I don't know how
May 07 04:11:44 <ssi> I built a kernel with it modular
May 07 04:12:30 <agathphe1>  Interesting, I think the manual lists them as available for user
May 07 04:12:31 <thurgood> if you turn off kernelmuxing you can probably get around it... but I don't know if that option even exists in kernels post 3.0
May 07 04:13:05 <agathphe1> let me doublecheck what the manual has to say
May 07 04:13:24 <ka6sox> agathphe1, Good Plan(tm)
May 07 04:18:45 <honda> does anyone know how to install kernel headers for ubuntu 3.8.9-bone15 ?
May 07 04:18:49 <agathphe1> yeah, I guess the manual is kinda inconsistent
May 07 04:19:19 <agathphe1> in one place it says "Each LED is controlled by setting the
May 07 04:19:19 <agathphe1> appropriate GPIO bit HI. At power up all LEDs are off.
May 07 04:19:23 <agathphe1> "
May 07 04:19:51 <agathphe1> and then in some other place it describes how the LED is supposed to blink when the board comes up :P
May 07 04:20:14 <ssi> the blinking is a feature of the gpio_leds driver
May 07 04:20:34 <agathphe1> ssi: so, how do I find out mapping of gpio numbers into gpio chips?
May 07 04:20:53 <ssi> gpio chips?
May 07 04:21:12 <ssi> there are four gpio ports, and each port has 32 io
May 07 04:21:17 <agathphe1> would it have been too obvious if they were mapped like modulo(32) :)
May 07 04:21:20 <ssi> portnum * 32 + pinnum
May 07 04:21:45 <ssi> not sure what you're asking beyond that
May 07 04:21:59 <ssi> if you want to know the proc ball number, look at the schematic
May 07 04:22:12 <agathphe1> so, say there is gpioX on the schematics routed to the expansion header
May 07 04:22:49 <agathphe1> is ther a way to tell what value needs to be written into /sys/class/gpio/export to activate that aignal?
May 07 04:22:54 <ssi> yes
May 07 04:23:03 <ssi> there won't be gpioX, there'll be gpioX_Y
May 07 04:23:06 <ssi> it's X*32+Y
May 07 04:23:34 <agathphe1> ah, thank you!
May 07 04:23:46 <agathphe1> I missed the prwfix
May 07 04:23:51 <agathphe1> prefix that is
May 07 04:26:46 * agathphe1 quits
May 07 04:27:28 <ssi> lol thanks for the heads up
May 07 04:30:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ssi: seriously, he totally used you. not even a kiss goodbye.
May 07 04:30:40 <ssi> haha no I just mean the "ok I'm quitting!" emote
May 07 04:33:19 <av500> ahoi
May 07 04:51:02 <TCL987> How do I edit the pinmux settings on the BeagleBone Black? All of the guides I can find are for the older board and the BBB appears to have the mux control in a different place.
May 07 04:51:58 <TCL987> I'm trying to enable UART1_TXD on Pin P9.24 by setting it to Mode 0.
May 07 05:04:49 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> TCL987, device trees. google the newsgroups and hipstercircuits.
May 07 05:12:35 <TCL987> I've just stumbled onto those.
May 07 05:19:42 <grumpie> hi all. i
May 07 05:20:31 <grumpie> Ive had my BBB for about 30 mins and I think I managed to brick it ... is there a page you can point me to to try adn undo the mess I made?
May 07 05:21:02 <grumpie> all i did was "opkg update; opkg upgrade" but apparently that was a bad idea :-(
May 07 05:22:28 <grumpie> is there a way to grab the original image and boot off the sd card, copy the image back and reboot?
May 07 05:24:36 <thurgood> it's not bricked, just not in a happy state
May 07 05:26:03 <grumpie> thurgood, yeah, I guess that's more accurate. any suggestions on restoring it?
May 07 05:26:23 <ssi> there's a "getting started" page that links to an angstrom update image
May 07 05:26:40 <ssi> write that image to a card, remove all power, put the card in, hold boot button, power up
May 07 05:27:08 <thurgood> the short answer is yes you can do what you're requesting... the longer answer involves they were sold out before I knew they were on sale :/
May 07 05:27:36 <grumpie> I do actually have a second BBB (just for such "stupidity" on part)
May 07 05:27:48 <grumpie> so I guess I can boo the second one and grab the image from that?
May 07 05:27:55 <ssi> just download it :)
May 07 05:28:36 <TCL987> You can get the image from http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
May 07 05:28:53 <thurgood> it's probably got some fixes in post ship software
May 07 05:28:55 <TCL987> Follow the instructions shown on http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started#update
May 07 05:28:59 <grumpie> any ideas on how I write the image on to the sdcard from a mac? I'm sorry if this sounds nooby, but I dont do much embedded stuff
May 07 05:29:04 <TCL987> Hmm
May 07 05:29:10 <TCL987> Not sure about a Mac.
May 07 05:29:30 <ssi> in terminal, dd if=file.img of=/dev/rdiskX bs=10m
May 07 05:29:39 <ssi> diskutil list to figure out which device it is
May 07 05:29:46 <ssi> then diskutil unmountDisk /dev/diskX
May 07 05:29:47 <ssi> then the dd
May 07 05:29:50 <thurgood> dd works fine in mac
May 07 05:30:25 <thurgood> you won't be able to read the image from the mac after unless you have additional drive format drivers instaled
May 07 05:30:48 <thurgood> but you can do the dd step fine from the terminal
May 07 05:30:52 <TCL987> Hmm, I'm having a little trouble figuring out which pin in the pinmux is the pin I want to change.
May 07 05:31:36 <mrpackethead> wheres mranostay when i want to troll
May 07 05:32:10 <grumpie> @ssi and @thurgood, thanks a ton, terminal works fine for me.
May 07 05:32:14 <TCL987> Found it.
May 07 05:32:44 <TCL987> The AM335x technical manual I have is a newer revision than what the guide referenced.
May 07 05:33:01 <TCL987> Rev. H vs Rev. G
May 07 05:34:03 <ssi> grumpie: good to hear
May 07 05:35:04 <grumpie> one last qn ... the instructions on "updating" seem to imply that when I boot from the latest angrtom image it will automatically rewrite the NVRAM on the BBB
May 07 05:35:24 <grumpie> dont I need to dd it back onto the NVRAM from the sdcard?
May 07 05:35:37 <ka6sox> hi eric
May 07 05:35:49 <ssi> grumpie: when it boots on SD, it'll start a process that copies itself over
May 07 05:35:53 <ssi> grumpie: just leave it be and wait A WHILE
May 07 05:35:55 <ssi> an hour or more
May 07 05:36:00 <ssi> when all four lights are on, it'll be done
May 07 05:37:03 <grumpie> i see, so it's set up to test at boot and copy itself into NVRAM if needed? clever. thx.
May 07 05:37:21 <ssi> not if needed, every time
May 07 05:37:23 <ssi> I think
May 07 05:37:48 <TCL987> Yeah
May 07 05:38:15 <TCL987> The MMC flasher image just copies it every time you boot to the SD card.
May 07 05:38:46 <TCL987> I would have prefered a slightly more obvious copying indicator besides the SD card activity light.
May 07 05:39:40 <ssi> or a boot message that says "hey we're running this script!  you can check it out at this path or disable it via xyz" or something
May 07 05:39:54 <ssi> instead of magic happens, devices get wiped
May 07 05:40:07 <TCL987> lol
May 07 05:40:29 <TCL987> Well you're not supposed to leave the flasher image SD card in it very often.
May 07 05:41:09 <thurgood> in all fairness these are dev boards
May 07 05:41:21 <TCL987> Yeah
May 07 05:41:32 <ssi> yea I just was really interested in how the script worked
May 07 05:41:38 <ssi> but it's hard to divine exactly what runs and from where
May 07 05:41:41 <TCL987> lol
May 07 05:41:43 <grumpie> ok that all makes a lot of sense now that I see that its a flasher ... I thought it was just the image
May 07 05:41:55 <wololo_> is there a way to expand working voltage beyond DC 5V?
May 07 05:42:17 <ssi> use an external voltage regulator and/or external level shifters?
May 07 05:42:19 <grumpie> and I thought I would have to shovel the bits from the sdcard to the eMMC, but I see thats essentially what it does
May 07 05:42:24 <TCL987> No, it'll copy the image onto the eMMC and light all four lights when it finishes.
May 07 05:42:33 <grumpie> but thanks all ... you've been very helpful :-)
May 07 05:42:41 <TCL987> You can then remove the SD card and use it for something else.
May 07 05:42:50 <ssi> like a tiny little frisbee
May 07 05:43:01 <TCL987> They're a bit light for that.
May 07 05:43:19 <ssi> tiddlywink
May 07 05:43:31 <grumpie> now I have to hunt through the mess that's my drawer to find a little sd card that I'm not suing for anything else, but I think I have my evening worked out for me, thanks again!
May 07 05:43:42 <grumpie> suing -> using :-)
May 07 05:43:43 <wololo_> external voltage regulator, ok. thanks.
May 07 05:44:26 <wololo_> a tiny add on like this Tilt Sensor eats all 5volts http://dx.com/p/mini-arduino-angle-detection-sensor-module-136118
May 07 05:44:28 <wololo_> :(
May 07 05:44:44 <ssi> um
May 07 05:44:49 <ssi> that's not how electricity works :(
May 07 05:45:00 <wololo_> oh...
May 07 05:45:35 <TCL987> lol
May 07 05:45:55 <wololo_> lol
May 07 05:46:02 <TCL987> Is there a datasheet there?
May 07 05:46:09 <wololo_> well, yay then
May 07 05:47:13 <wololo_> datasheet?
May 07 05:48:15 <TCL987> Is there a pdf of the specs for that sensor?
May 07 05:48:41 <TCL987> I don't see it on the DX page.
May 07 05:49:10 <wololo_> I dont either. It looks like there is not.
May 07 05:49:32 <wololo_> what would we gather from that that they dont already tell us on that page?
May 07 05:49:34 <ssi> it looks like it's just a switch with a pullup
May 07 05:50:24 <TCL987> I was just curious.
May 07 05:50:29 <TCL987> It seems simple enough
May 07 05:50:57 <wololo_> cool.
May 07 05:51:36 <wololo_> I wonder if "Works with Official Arduino Boards"  means it wont work with the beagle
May 07 05:51:51 <TCL987> It has a working voltage range of 3.3-5V
May 07 05:52:02 <TCL987> So I'd assume it would work fine.
May 07 05:52:16 <ssi> it's a switch!
May 07 05:52:22 <TCL987> Exactly.
May 07 05:52:23 <ssi> the mercury flows over two wires and conducts between them
May 07 05:52:33 <ssi> use it exactly like you'd use a switch
May 07 05:53:03 <wololo_> alrighty :)
May 07 05:58:45 <wololo_> if not the voltage, and aside from the physical space, what keeps me from putting on like 4 of those sensors on the beagle?
May 07 05:59:08 <wololo_> or, say, 4 different sensors?
May 07 06:00:32 <ssi> nothing
May 07 06:00:54 <ssi> if it was something that was active and had a significant CURRENT draw, you might need a power supply other than USB
May 07 06:00:58 <ssi> other than that, nothing's stopping you
May 07 06:01:12 <wololo_> neat!
May 07 06:01:23 <wololo_> thanks for your help!
May 07 06:01:49 <ssi> np
May 07 06:07:02 <fuziontech> hey guys
May 07 06:07:11 <fuziontech> is there a way to flash a beaglebone black without having a microsd card?
May 07 06:07:26 <fuziontech> if there is a magical way. Can you point me to the docs?
May 07 06:08:24 <av500> not really
May 07 06:08:27 <ssi> jtag
May 07 06:08:32 <tomba> at least omaps can be booted via usb or serial
May 07 06:08:33 <ssi> but if you don't have an sd card, you won't have jtag :)
May 07 06:08:41 <av500> jtag?
May 07 06:08:47 <Russ> jtag
May 07 06:08:47 <av500> tomba: same here
May 07 06:09:00 <av500> but there is no SW stack to reflash the emmc that way
May 07 06:09:02 <Russ> but yes, I suppose you could flash from usb
May 07 06:09:12 <av500> fuziontech: get a $5 SD card
May 07 06:09:18 <fuziontech> yeah, I have a ton of sd cards
May 07 06:09:19 <fuziontech> just no micros
May 07 06:09:21 <fuziontech> >.<
May 07 06:09:24 <Russ> or maybe ethernet
May 07 06:09:26 <ssi> trim one with scissors? :D
May 07 06:09:34 <av500> Russ: after all, that's how its done in production
May 07 06:09:43 <fuziontech> @av500 it's in the mail
May 07 06:09:44 <tomba> av500: u-boot cannot flash emmc? only linux can?
May 07 06:10:16 <av500> tomba: not on the bone
May 07 06:10:18 <av500> I think
May 07 06:10:21 <av500> of course it can be done
May 07 06:10:26 <av500> but not in 3 easy steps
May 07 06:10:40 <fuziontech> what's that? over ethernet?
May 07 06:10:54 <fuziontech> i'd be cool with a few extra steps if i can get this thing working
May 07 06:10:54 <av500> yes
May 07 06:11:02 <av500> again, no exact steps
May 07 06:11:03 <fuziontech> it's not running c9
May 07 06:11:06 <fuziontech> nothing listening on 3000
May 07 06:11:12 <fuziontech> oy
May 07 06:11:26 <fuziontech> ssh is hosed too for some reason
May 07 06:11:48 <av500> yeah, update to fix that
May 07 06:13:01 <koen> uboot can flash the emmc
May 07 06:13:07 <fuziontech> orly?
May 07 06:13:07 <koen> and dfu is enabled
May 07 06:13:09 <grumpie> @ssi ... quick follow up. in "in terminal, dd if=file.img of=/dev/rdiskX bs=10m" does the Block size matter?
May 07 06:13:18 <koen> so  in theory you can use DFU
May 07 06:13:26 <grumpie> is 10M too large or too small?
May 07 06:13:44 <ssi> grumpie: 10m should be fine... it will marginally affect the speed, but overall  won't hurt anything
May 07 06:14:19 <MHz>  
May 07 06:14:25 <MHz>  
May 07 06:14:26 <MHz>  
May 07 06:14:43 <grumpie> @ssi ... thanks!
May 07 06:15:31 <av500> we need more MHz
May 07 06:15:47 <MHz> Sorries irc probs
May 07 06:16:18 <shoragan> koen, you said yesterday after i left, that you have something to give the PWM real sysfs interfaces?
May 07 06:16:24 <koen> shoragan: yes
May 07 06:17:00 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/jfBmpA
May 07 06:17:00 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 b9fc3ca Koen Kooi: 3.8: add patches for IIO and PWM sysfs nodes...
May 07 06:17:06 <koen> shoragan: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/blob/3.8/patches/pwm/0009-pwm-add-sysfs-interface.patch
May 07 06:17:21 <koen> shoragan: original: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/3/300
May 07 06:18:35 * koen would love a 'raw message' option at lkml.org, instead of the headerless diff option
May 07 06:18:45 <av500> koen: but are you not afraid that will make things too .... easy?
May 07 06:18:51 <shoragan> this one? https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2163151/ Greg had some comments
May 07 06:19:42 <shoragan> ah, no, that one seems older
May 07 06:20:48 <shoragan> koen, the adc driver is still somewhat broken though
May 07 06:21:49 <shoragan> it always has all channels enabled and just discards measurements when you read one channel
May 07 06:28:50 <koen> shoragan: I know the ADC driver is a mess :(
May 07 06:29:01 <shoragan> ok :/
May 07 06:30:21 <koen> there wasn't time before launch to fix it, panto made it work just enough to be useful
May 07 06:31:00 <shoragan> i didn't mean to complain, just tell you in case you didn't know already
May 07 06:31:37 <shoragan> i find some time to work on this, but not in the next weeks
May 07 06:31:54 <koen> I have weekly calls with TI where I complain about the sucky drivers :)
May 07 06:32:22 <shoragan> does it help? :)
May 07 06:32:42 <koen> no, beagle has zero resources allocated in TI
May 07 06:33:09 <koen> and the people writing those crappy drivers are untouchable
May 07 06:33:20 <koen> and probably working on vayu already instead of subarctic
May 07 06:33:21 <msev> yo guys
May 07 06:33:35 <msev> so any cool projects on BBB already up online?
May 07 06:33:37 <shoragan> vayy?
May 07 06:33:42 <shoragan> vayu?
May 07 06:33:42 <koen> dra7xx
May 07 06:33:43 <ds2> koen: clearly the beagle is not as endangered as that poor black and white bear looking thing :D
May 07 06:33:53 <koen> shoragan: omap5 superset soc
May 07 06:33:56 <shoragan> ah
May 07 06:34:15 <ds2> koen: hey, what do you use as a slicer?
May 07 06:34:19 <shoragan> do you intend to have one bootloader for both the BB and BBB?
May 07 06:34:41 <koen> ds2: "snowball's chance in hell" comes to mind
May 07 06:34:50 <koen> ds2: skeinforge and slic3r
May 07 06:35:07 <ds2> koen: why do you use 2 of them?
May 07 06:35:09 <ka6sox> koen, have you run slic3r on a bone?
May 07 06:35:12 <koen> shoragan: yes, same mlo+uboot works on both white and black
May 07 06:35:25 <koen> ka6sox: not yet, cpan stuff was broken
May 07 06:35:29 <ka6sox> ah
May 07 06:35:38 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: gerbers in
May 07 06:35:40 <koen> ds2: bugs :)
May 07 06:35:44 <mrpackethead> so, tommorrow i'll run up some panels
May 07 06:35:54 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, excellent
May 07 06:36:06 <ds2> koen: gotcha. are you still using the cupcake?
May 07 06:36:10 <shoragan> do you need to read the eeprom before doing ddr setup or is there some other method (revision pins, cpu es rev)?
May 07 06:36:15 <mrpackethead> are you interested in some of the Logi-bones
May 07 06:36:34 <koen> shoragan: eeprom
May 07 06:36:42 <shoragan> ok
May 07 06:37:10 <shoragan> still waiting for my black...
May 07 06:37:32 <koen> shoragan: and there's a 'findfdt' method in uboot shell to pick the right DT for each board
May 07 06:37:51 <shoragan> yep, i saw that already
May 07 06:37:52 <koen> the white DT works on black, you just don't get 1GHz support
May 07 06:38:28 <shoragan> does u-boot support changing the loaded DT at runtime?
May 07 06:38:57 <koen> yes
May 07 06:39:05 <shoragan> (changing as in changing individual property nodes)
May 07 06:39:10 <koen> yes
May 07 06:39:15 <shoragan> k
May 07 06:39:35 <koen> fdt support is enabled in u-boot
May 07 06:39:56 <koen> aiui that's how bootargs and MAC addresses get set
May 07 06:40:21 <shoragan> ah, yes
May 07 06:43:14 <sh1v> hey fellas
May 07 06:43:32 <sh1v> is there a way to grab a beaglebone black's serial number locally?
May 07 06:43:42 <av500> as in?
May 07 06:44:13 <sh1v> I was able to parse /sys/bus/i2c//devices/1-0050/eeprom on the beaglebone and get its serial number
May 07 06:44:28 <sh1v> but with the BBB, that file doesnt exist and I can't find anything comparable
May 07 06:44:56 <sh1v> basically wondering if there's a way for me to grab a unique ID on the beaglebone black :)
May 07 06:45:06 <av500> ah
May 07 06:45:12 <av500> koen should know
May 07 06:45:39 <mrpackethead> i wonder if i can find the energy to go out to the workshop and get a bbb
May 07 06:45:41 <mrpackethead> from its box
May 07 06:45:48 <mrpackethead> how lazy is that
May 07 06:45:54 <av500> send a boy
May 07 06:46:02 <mrpackethead> its a computer
May 07 06:46:05 <mrpackethead> yeeeha.
May 07 06:46:08 <sh1v> ping koen :)
May 07 06:50:54 <koen> I'll be afk for breakfast, bbl
May 07 06:54:21 <Rotti> hi!
May 07 07:06:59 <sh1v> looks like my board doesnt conform to the beaglebone manual in terms of eeprom format?
May 07 07:07:03 <sh1v> xxd -g 2 -a -l 256  ./ocp.2/44e0b000.i2c/i2c-0/0-0050/eeprom
May 07 07:07:18 <sh1v> filled with mostly Fs :/
May 07 07:14:47 <Shadyman> sh1v: If it's just the board, it should be pretty much just the first line
May 07 07:15:04 <sh1v> pardon?
May 07 07:15:23 <sh1v> If i read the first line, then its just the header
May 07 07:15:27 <sh1v> which is defined in the manual
May 07 07:15:32 <sh1v> so it wouldnt be unique
May 07 07:15:38 <Shadyman> Hrm.
May 07 07:16:27 <Shadyman> Oh, it's a BBB vs BBone thing? My bad :/
May 07 07:16:35 <Shadyman> haven't received my BBB yet.
May 07 07:17:04 * Shadyman tries to be helpful but fails horribly
May 07 07:17:13 <sh1v> hehe, its ok :)
May 07 07:22:57 <Rotti> when using the hdmi port on the BBB (hope it arrives today :)  ), i can't use pins 27-46 on P8 as gpios, or did i get it wrong?
May 07 07:25:15 <av500> yes
May 07 07:32:12 <Rotti> hum.... not so much pins left, then...
May 07 07:32:25 <av500> then dont use HDMI
May 07 07:32:36 <av500> or use I2C pin extenders or so
May 07 07:32:57 <Rotti> i think i'll do that...
May 07 07:45:15 <dm8tbr> av500: why did I have to think of K9 mail when I saw this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/109925364564856140495/posts/d849Axqz4jN
May 07 07:47:13 <av500> :)
May 07 07:47:16 <av500> mail is complex
May 07 07:47:22 <av500> use whatsapp
May 07 07:55:17 <tsjsieb> communicating is complex
May 07 07:55:26 <tsjsieb> use beer
May 07 08:00:23 <Force> Hi, I have a problem with the dm-crypt kernel module on Ubuntu / Debian. I installed the cryptsetup and lvm2 packages, but when executing dmsetup targets I get following error:
May 07 08:00:27 <mrpackethead> All the best sneetches have blackbeagles on thars
May 07 08:00:42 <mrpackethead> the blackbelly sneethes have frankfurter partys
May 07 08:00:53 <mrpackethead> the whitebelly sneetches are out in the cold
May 07 08:04:25 <Force> Hi, I tried to install cryptsetup on Ubuntu/Debian but apparently the device-mapper or dm-crypt is not activated in the kernel. When executing  dmsetup targets I get following error: /dev/mapper/control: open failed: No such device Failure to communicate with kernel device-mapper driver. Check that device-mapper is available in the kernel. Command failed
May 07 08:04:51 <mrpackethead> Force, we heard you teh first time
May 07 08:08:40 <Force> sorry, it did not show up, so I wasn't sure
May 07 08:15:58 <tsjsieb> The error didn't show up here completely.
May 07 08:19:40 <haris> hi every body
May 07 08:33:01 <grumpie> @ssi ... just wanted to let you know that it all went well and I have updated my BBB. Thanks for your help. I am now upgradng my second BBB and plan to get to playing with the software tomorrow.
May 07 08:36:42 <thurgood> congrats grumpie
May 07 08:37:01 <KotH> a wonderfull JIHAD everyone!
May 07 08:37:01 <haris> i have updated my BBW to latest version, that is missing /sys/kernel/debug/OMAP_MUX  directory
May 07 08:37:21 <grumpie> Thanks thurgood, it was nice of you to help, I wouldnt have made it work without your help!
May 07 08:38:06 <grumpie> Any suggestions on Angstrom guides? I've familiar with Linux and BSD but not the Angstrom variant
May 07 08:38:22 <av500> haris: that is gone on current kernels
May 07 08:38:42 <av500> grumpie: angstrom is just a distribution
May 07 08:38:44 <av500> its still Linux
May 07 08:38:55 <av500> most modern Linux things apply
May 07 08:39:14 <grumpie> @av500 ... yes, i know, but things like opkg are a bit unfamiliar ... is it a debian variant?
May 07 08:39:43 <av500> no
May 07 08:39:55 <mrpackethead> mm, blue leds
May 07 08:39:59 <mrpackethead> how 2011
May 07 08:40:00 <grumpie> and I see they use something called connman instead of the stuff I am more familiar with ... perhaps thats common in embedded linux (which I am not at all familiar with)
May 07 08:41:00 <thurgood> connman is pretty sucktaular
May 07 08:41:25 <thurgood> err sucktacular
May 07 08:41:31 <av500> yep
May 07 08:41:37 <grumpie> @thurgood: as I'm slowly discovering :-)
May 07 08:41:53 <haris> what is the difference BBB and BBW (black and white)..?
May 07 08:42:05 <av500> haris: its all explained on the website
May 07 08:42:23 <av500> grumpie: take note that you are free to run debian or ubuntu or arch or something esle
May 07 08:42:26 <haris> can i upgrade BBW to BBB firmware..?
May 07 08:42:45 <thurgood> blank has hdmi built in, faster processor, emc, etc
May 07 08:42:55 <thurgood> err black nt blank
May 07 08:42:57 <dm8tbr> :)
May 07 08:43:08 <av500> BBW + emmc + DVI + 280MHZ = BBB
May 07 08:43:15 <mrpackethead> all joking aside, shoudl a out of the box bbb, just power up
May 07 08:43:25 <grumpie> av500: yea, but I'm trying to stick with the program for now ... I was thinking of switching to ubuntu but I thought it might be wiser to stick with the stock version since I presume they had a reason to go with Angstrom
May 07 08:43:27 <mrpackethead> i thought it shoudl flahs USR leds?
May 07 08:44:19 <koen> av500, grumpie: or deinstall connman and install ifupdown or network-manager or something else
May 07 08:44:23 <grumpie> but I plan to dl the ubuntu distribution and try it over the next day or so. i was assuming the standard distro would be amore stable
May 07 08:44:37 <av500> both are stable doing nothing
May 07 08:44:39 <koen> grumpie: and what makes you think ubuntu would be better?
May 07 08:44:40 <av500> blinking a cursor
May 07 08:44:51 <koen> grumpie: ubuntu doesn't support the beaglebone at all
May 07 08:45:02 <koen> you'd need a 3rd party build like rcn-ee provides
May 07 08:45:11 <thurgood> what's the stability issue, other than not running opkg upgrade?
May 07 08:45:12 <haris> koen: i thing, the package is familiar
May 07 08:45:20 <grumpie> koen: nothing ... just that I am a bit more familar with it, but I am actually planning to stay with A* if I can
May 07 08:45:30 <av500> its just linux
May 07 08:45:41 <letothe2nd> ah, finally the BBB lemmings have arrived. i was already afraid it was lacking impact.
May 07 08:45:48 <haris> A* is not bad
May 07 08:46:05 * av500 uses B*
May 07 08:46:08 <grumpie> thurgood: the impression I get is that you *can* run opkg upgrade after you've done the upgrade from the website
May 07 08:46:45 <thurgood> I've had 1 success with opkg upgrade, and several system disabling failures
May 07 08:47:06 <thurgood> andI think I'm ahead of the curve having had 1 success
May 07 08:47:13 <grumpie> :-)
May 07 08:47:35 <haris> i have missing OMAP_MUX directory after update to latest image of my BBW, any idea for this..?
May 07 08:47:46 <thurgood> you need to run opkg update... upgrade not so much
May 07 08:47:46 <mrpackethead> mmm, well, thats not good
May 07 08:48:04 <grumpie> i realize i'm a bit unusual in that i am not planning to use a lot of the hardware features. I'm just using it as a very cool cheap scalable linux platform for playing around
May 07 08:48:08 <mrpackethead> bbb#1 looks likes its faulty
May 07 08:48:21 <av500> grumpie: sure
May 07 08:48:35 <av500> haris: there is no more OMAP_MUX
May 07 08:48:48 <thurgood> first edition hardware is always painful
May 07 08:48:51 <av500> haris: see the mailing list for alternatives
May 07 08:49:05 <grumpie> so having a lean verion of the OS on it is not a bad thing, and A* may work just fine as long as I find my way around it and figure out the differences from other distros. teeting troubles.
May 07 08:49:39 <grumpie> infact, I'll probably want to get rid of the desktop as well
May 07 08:50:01 <grumpie> all i need is a lean command line interface and typical server config
May 07 08:50:24 <grumpie> and being able to flash a few LEDs would be cool too :-)
May 07 08:51:37 <thurgood> angstrom scales fairly well from console only to gui in my experience, it doesn't try to give you what the developer thinks everyone should have quite the way ubuntu does
May 07 08:52:34 <thurgood> I like ubuntu for desktop environments having said that, but a dev board really isn't a desktop replacement
May 07 08:53:52 <mrpackethead> mmm,  i got four bbb's today.
May 07 08:54:00 <mrpackethead> #1, is failing out of thebox
May 07 08:54:06 <mrpackethead> #2, is ok it seems
May 07 08:55:45 <koen> mrpackethead: try reflashing with http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.06.img.xz
May 07 08:55:57 <mrpackethead> shoud'nbt fail out of the bo
May 07 08:56:00 <mrpackethead> thats crap
May 07 08:57:12 <grumpie> mrpackethead: i got 4 today as well, and I tried 2 of them and they worked fine. I messed up one of them though :-)
May 07 08:57:38 <grumpie> but thanks to thurgood and some other fine people here, I was able to get that up and running again
May 07 08:57:57 <mrpackethead> #1, is behaving irractly
May 07 08:58:44 <mrpackethead> if newbies got that
May 07 08:58:48 <mrpackethead> and they had just bought 1
May 07 08:58:54 <mrpackethead> it would be somewhat confusing
May 07 08:59:48 <mrpackethead> i hav eto say, the blue leds are way too bright
May 07 09:07:54 <mrpackethead> yup, 3 of the 4 are running
May 07 09:07:56 <mrpackethead> 1 is dead
May 07 09:09:49 <grumpie> @mrpackethead: I felt that the LEDs are sort of bright too :-)
May 07 09:15:19 <grumpie> @koen ... did you need to do anything special to get R to work on Angstrom?
May 07 09:15:46 <grumpie> can I just compile and build from source?
May 07 09:17:53 <av500> mrpackethead: I used a black marker pen on the LEDs
May 07 09:18:08 <mrpackethead> tommorrow i will be using a soldering iron
May 07 09:18:12 <mrpackethead> and replacing some resistors
May 07 09:19:22 <mrpackethead> if i remember right, the LEDs are driven via a small FET
May 07 09:19:33 <edk> i would like systemd to not exist
May 07 09:19:34 <mrpackethead> and not directly from the CPU
May 07 09:20:09 <grumpie> well, i'm calling it a night. see you guys tomorrow. and thanks again for all your help, av500, thurgood, ssi et al ...
May 07 09:20:19 <av500> edk: remove it
May 07 09:20:41 <edk> i have a feeling that wouldn't go well
May 07 09:20:44 <mrpackethead> so, whats the deal with sshing to theis thing
May 07 09:20:54 <edk> ssh root@192.168.7.2
May 07 09:21:16 <av500> 7?
May 07 09:21:45 <edk> well, that's the one mine has. i guess it varies based on what kind of board and what image
May 07 09:21:46 <mrpackethead> can connect to its webui
May 07 09:21:56 <mrpackethead> but ssh doesnt work
May 07 09:22:00 <av500> yes
May 07 09:22:02 <av500> upgrade
May 07 09:22:30 <mrpackethead> upgrade the broken angstrom
May 07 09:22:43 <mrpackethead> youd' think simple things like ssh would go..
May 07 09:22:45 <edk> is there an angstrom that isn't broken?
May 07 09:24:40 <mrpackethead> av500: is there somewhere you can get version info ?
May 07 09:27:35 <av500> mrpackethead: no idea where
May 07 09:27:52 <av500> koen might know
May 07 09:28:07 <mrpackethead> ahh well, goodbye angstrom
May 07 09:28:15 <mrpackethead> going to install debian on it
May 07 09:28:21 <av500> install windows 8 and be done :)
May 07 09:28:27 <mrpackethead> gah..
May 07 09:28:31 <thurgood> heh
May 07 09:28:32 <mrpackethead> i dont' know which bit to touch
May 07 09:28:55 <thurgood> don't think debian supports the black... at all, yet
May 07 09:30:27 <mrpackethead> thurgood: that wont' stop it from working
May 07 09:30:28 <mrpackethead> :-)
May 07 09:30:33 <thurgood> lol
May 07 09:30:52 <mrpackethead> im sure angstrom is good
May 07 09:30:58 <mrpackethead> i'm just to lazy to learn
May 07 09:37:24 <mrpackethead> KotH: JIHAD!!!
May 07 09:38:25 <KotH> YEAH! JIHAD!
May 07 09:38:34 <KotH> mrpackethead: against whom or what?
May 07 09:38:45 <mrpackethead> against Angstrom
May 07 09:39:06 <KotH> nah.. let them live
May 07 09:39:09 <av500> ansgtrom is the base OS as given by the beagle team
May 07 09:39:09 <KotH> they do a good job
May 07 09:39:14 <KotH> complicated, but still good
May 07 09:39:19 <av500> of course users are free to put whatever they want
May 07 09:39:45 <edk> KotH: dbus as a core system component? :(
May 07 09:40:21 <mrpackethead> maybe my expectaitons are just wrong
May 07 09:41:06 <av500> mrpackethead: what do you expect?
May 07 09:41:17 <KotH> edk: nobody said it's lean
May 07 09:42:04 <mrpackethead> av500: thats a good ( and fair ) question
May 07 09:42:07 <KotH> edk: and there are valid reasons to use dbus
May 07 09:42:21 <mrpackethead> I guess i woudl have expected for simple things to work out of the box
May 07 09:42:26 <KotH> edk: at least those for which dbus was originially designed for
May 07 09:42:42 <mrpackethead> i would have expected to be able to ssh into it
May 07 09:42:47 <av500> that is a bug
May 07 09:42:51 <mrpackethead> yup.
May 07 09:42:56 <av500> its fixed in the new release, update
May 07 09:43:02 <mrpackethead> yes, i release that
May 07 09:43:03 <mrpackethead> but..
May 07 09:43:20 <mrpackethead> its just such a fundementally simple thing
May 07 09:43:31 <mrpackethead> that i'm not sure how that kind of bug would get left
May 07 09:44:02 <mrpackethead> i do appricate that this is early in its life
May 07 09:44:19 <edk> KotH: i don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with dbus, just things like the init daemon relying on it seems off.
May 07 09:44:55 <av500> edk: as said, dont use systemd
May 07 09:45:55 <edk> i'm not aware of how to install sysvinit on it, and i'd rather not have to reflash it /every/ day
May 07 09:46:45 <edk> i expect i'll stick to bitching about it but not doing anything, or possibly installing a different image
May 07 09:48:06 <av500> edk: you can bake your own angstrom image
May 07 09:48:11 <av500> and use sysvinit in there
May 07 09:48:40 <av500> or use debian or whatever
May 07 09:49:55 <koen> av500: regular ssh always works, it's the web ssh thing that has "issues"
May 07 09:50:14 <av500> koen: I thought people reported what regular also did not work
May 07 09:51:37 <koen> I've never seen that fail out of the box
May 07 09:52:13 <koen> having said that, there are boards out there that don't like the 303MHz timings we used to use in the flasher, so the install is flaky on those
May 07 09:52:37 <koen> that was fixed last week in the factory load
May 07 09:52:37 <mrpackethead> koen: i'm getting regular SSH to fail
May 07 09:52:46 <koen> like I said, reflash with 05.06
May 07 09:52:58 <edk> why is the img so big?
May 07 09:53:26 <av500> because it has it all
May 07 09:53:30 <koen> because it ate grandma
May 07 09:53:33 <mrpackethead> I guess, its dissapointing,  1 board of 4, doa
May 07 09:53:36 <ogra_> 'tis all dbus' fault
May 07 09:53:36 <koen> and will eat little read riding hood next
May 07 09:53:37 <mrpackethead> SSH doe'snt work
May 07 09:53:51 <mrpackethead> Its just leaving me quite nervous about QC
May 07 09:53:58 <koen> mrpackethead: still DOA after reflashing?
May 07 09:54:01 <mrpackethead> yes.
May 07 09:54:12 <av500> DOA as no LED?
May 07 09:54:17 <mrpackethead> Just power
May 07 09:54:26 <koen> what's the output on serial?
May 07 09:54:30 <edk> ogra_: i don't have anything against dbus
May 07 09:54:31 <mrpackethead> nothing
May 07 09:55:00 <mru> edk: you should
May 07 09:56:07 <edk> why? it's a userspace IPC broker, it doesn't do me any harm
May 07 09:56:07 <edk> except when things start requiring it in order to turn on
May 07 09:56:41 <mru> I don't trust it or apps that use it or people who write apps that use it
May 07 09:56:56 <mru> the less apps talk to each other, the better
May 07 09:57:27 <edk> it's kinda useful for wiring keybindings up to control media players
May 07 09:59:14 <shiva__> hi
May 07 09:59:15 <mru> seems a bit overkill for that
May 07 10:00:17 <shiva__> How to enable 2G/3G modem(Telit) stack in linux.
May 07 10:01:27 <edk> i've never found any of its more advanced capabilities useful
May 07 10:01:47 <dm8tbr> follow the exact steps given by the modem vendor?
May 07 10:01:58 <mru> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/07/water_cooled_raspberry_pi/
May 07 10:02:45 <Turl> edk: I wrote an app to wire keybindings to system() calls
May 07 10:02:53 <Turl> and it doesn't use dbus
May 07 10:03:11 <dm8tbr> water cooling? srsly?
May 07 10:03:19 <edk> my window manager can do that. talking to the media player is the hard part
May 07 10:03:19 <ogra_> lol
May 07 10:03:19 <mru> any decent window manager can run arbitrary commands in response to keypresses
May 07 10:03:24 * KotH wonders why his ff renders a gray in gray page for theregister
May 07 10:03:28 <Turl> edk: "mpc next"
May 07 10:03:39 <mru> KotH: css not loading?
May 07 10:03:44 <Turl> mru: I use it on a headless box that won't be running a wm
May 07 10:03:59 <KotH> mru: prolly a ff bug
May 07 10:04:07 <KotH> mru: i hit those on a daily basis
May 07 10:04:29 <edk> Turl: doesn't work unless im using mpd
May 07 10:04:50 <KotH> Turl: mpc runs on linux?
May 07 10:05:02 <edk> i agree dbus is overkill, but mpc is not-kill-at-all
May 07 10:05:40 <Turl> edk: most music players can be poked with themselves or another program
May 07 10:06:03 <Turl> KotH: yes, where else would it run on? windows?
May 07 10:06:18 <Turl> </troll>
May 07 10:11:36 <KotH> Turl: wasnt mpc a wrapper around dshow?
May 07 10:13:31 <Turl> KotH: sounds like you got the wrong mpc. This one is a command line interface to mpd, the music player daemon
May 07 10:21:36 <av500> Turl: KotH is biased
May 07 10:23:59 <Turl> av500: must be an Amarok developer, judging by the K
May 07 10:25:38 <jackmitchell> the Cinnamon Desktop project seems to be coming along nicely, I was a bit judgemental at first but they're doing a good job by the looks of it
May 07 10:25:55 <KotH> Turl: lol
May 07 10:26:05 <jackmitchell> does anyone use it?
May 07 10:26:08 <KotH> Turl: positive bias, not negative bias
May 07 10:27:58 <KotH> Turl: though, i must say the amarok folk are very pleasant guys/gals
May 07 10:28:57 <Turl> KotH: rhythmbox guy?
May 07 10:33:30 <malcom2073> jackmitchell: I used to (about three weeks ago), but it was too unstable
May 07 10:35:09 <jackmitchell> malcom2073: in what way, crashing, non-working features...?
May 07 10:35:51 <malcom2073> It would lock up (spin 100% cpu, require restart of Xorg) about once an hour, and everytime someone said my name on my IRC client, it would bring that window to the front (even switching workspaces to do so). No options to remove that
May 07 10:37:24 <jackmitchell> ah, shame, well I hope it continues to improve
May 07 10:39:38 <malcom2073> Me too, overall I liked it
May 07 10:42:17 <thurgood> lol water cooled rpi's?
May 07 10:42:36 <thurgood> sounds more like koolaide powered :P
May 07 11:07:33 <tsjsieb> If I want to watercool my rpi, I'll just flush it down the toilet...
May 07 11:07:57 <mru> that's a good idea regardless
May 07 11:12:49 <av500> tsjsieb: hopefully with wifi running
May 07 11:23:00 <malcom2073> That reminds me, my beagleboard is going to be under the dash of my car, which can get up to 130-140 degrees F for short periods in the summer. Will it have overheating issues?
May 07 11:24:20 <av500> maybe
May 07 11:25:23 <av500> thata 60°
May 07 11:25:26 <av500> that's
May 07 11:25:30 <KotH> Turl: nah... (ex-)mplayer guy
May 07 11:39:51 * tsjsieb prefers guitar-player guys (especially the electric ones)
May 07 11:40:10 <mru> electric guys playing guitars
May 07 11:44:14 <tsjsieb> exactly! those ones keep playing as long as you want, if you don't want them to play any more, you can turn the power off
May 07 11:44:43 <mru> kind of like spotify?
May 07 11:44:55 <av500> hendrify
May 07 12:38:02 <mru> next time someone starts bitching about arm being so messy compared to x86, remind them of gate a20
May 07 12:38:19 <KotH> lol
May 07 12:38:23 <mru> and how the linux kernel to this day needs to deal with it
May 07 12:38:37 <KotH> in 3 different ways, depending on the generation of pc
May 07 12:38:48 <mru> and bios bugs
May 07 12:38:50 <scrts> emmm, maybe someone have altium subscription?
May 07 12:40:16 * av500 only has Altoids
May 07 12:40:31 <KotH> scrts: altium designer?
May 07 12:40:36 <scrts> yeah
May 07 12:41:06 <KotH> what's your prob?
May 07 12:41:27 <mdp> http://i.imgur.com/TfLlVFp.jpg
May 07 12:41:44 <scrts> they have DDR3 memory library component on their site, but I can't download it, since I don't have subscription
May 07 12:42:17 <mru> mdp: when did 'meme' start meaning 'stock image with "funny" caption'?
May 07 12:42:29 <mdp> mru, exactly
May 07 12:42:57 <KotH> mdp: very fitting :)
May 07 12:43:19 <KotH> scrts: we never use footprints done by others
May 07 12:43:29 <KotH> scrts: they usually take shortcuts and have bugs
May 07 12:43:39 <scrts> oh...
May 07 12:43:41 <KotH> scrts: fixing all those takes more time than doing it yourself correctly
May 07 12:45:57 <scrts> KotH -> well, those are done by someone else probably, just uploaded to their site
May 07 12:46:30 <av500> even worse
May 07 12:47:12 <scrts> it depends
May 07 12:47:20 <scrts> if it's approved by altium ppl, then should be fine
May 07 12:47:27 <KotH> lol
May 07 12:47:29 <KotH> yeah, right
May 07 12:47:39 <scrts> since they ask money for subscription, which guarantees support from them
May 07 12:48:28 <KotH> use at your own risk, you have been warned
May 07 12:48:37 <scrts> first I need to get them :)
May 07 12:49:18 <KotH> really, draw them yourself
May 07 12:49:22 <KotH> doesnt take more than an hour
May 07 12:49:50 <RagBal> Is there an official OE/Yocto repo for the beaglebone black or should I just use meta-beaglebone?
May 07 12:49:59 <RagBal> meta-beagleboard*
May 07 12:52:43 <scrts> yeah, but I am not sure about all that paste mask and solder mask distances
May 07 12:53:53 <KotH> scrts: read ipc-sm782 and IPC-7351
May 07 12:53:57 <av500> RagBal: yes
May 07 12:54:09 <av500> beagle and bone build from the same source
May 07 12:54:46 <KotH> scrts: 7351 is the updated version of 782, but 782 contains more explenations
May 07 12:55:04 <scrts> ok, thanks
May 07 12:56:02 <RagBal> av500, thanks
May 07 12:56:48 <KotH> scrts: if you have specific questions, you can ask them
May 07 12:56:56 <KotH> there are a few hw guys in this channel
May 07 13:10:45 * koen pokes jkridner_ 
May 07 13:13:02 * KotH hands koen a sharp knife
May 07 13:13:16 <panto> howdy
May 07 13:13:23 <KotH> haudi selber!
May 07 13:13:26 * panto hands koen a sheep 
May 07 13:13:42 * KotH prepares the fire
May 07 13:14:15 <panto> oh yeah, cholesterol has gone plaid
May 07 13:15:11 <KotH> well... you can die eating all the healthy stuff, or you can die enjoying your meals...
May 07 13:15:21 <KotH> i choose to enjoy my meals :)
May 07 13:17:08 <malcom2073> +1
May 07 13:32:53 <fishhead2567> so, when i run opkg update on my beaglebone black, it no longer boots until I flash it. I have poked around at forums but I haven't found the solution to this. Is there a way I can update it without it crashing?
May 07 13:38:08 <terisk> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/beagleboard/beaglebone-black/G_QjWvBNXvc
May 07 13:43:53 <dm8tbr> fishhead2567: flash a recent image?
May 07 13:44:16 <dm8tbr> a recent image shouldn't need updates
May 07 13:54:06 <fishhead2567> thanks terisk
May 07 13:54:17 <fishhead2567> dm8tbr, no unfortunately that is not enough.
May 07 13:54:28 <fishhead2567> opkg update will re-crash the board as i found out last night
May 07 14:13:04 <dm8tbr> fishhead2567: why do you need to run opkg update?
May 07 14:18:39 <fishhead2567> dm8tbr, to keep my operating system up to date. Mostly PYBBIO recommends doing a full package update/upgrade before installation
May 07 14:19:33 <dm8tbr> well, if it breaks your system, then you might consider for now not to update?
May 07 14:30:19 <fishhead2567> haha yes good point. If there is a solution though, I'd rather not sit on it. If that link posted above works, then id like to be able to get the latest package updates
May 07 14:33:04 <dm8tbr> sure
May 07 14:33:15 <dm8tbr> maybe koen knows something about that
May 07 14:35:27 <koen> use http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.06.img.xz
May 07 14:36:54 <cmicali> hey koen: anything else I can do to help debug the PRU issue?
May 07 14:38:04 <koen> keep adding info to the github issue
May 07 14:38:23 <koen> bribe mdp/mranostay/ka6sox to take a look
May 07 14:38:27 <mdp> PRU issue?
May 07 14:38:47 <cmicali> koen: ok - i'll see if i can add more specifics to the issue
May 07 14:39:13 <cmicali> mdp: PRU not working in latest kernel on bbb (possibly white, but have not tried)
May 07 14:39:48 <panto> cmicali, I will take a look at it shortly
May 07 14:39:53 <mdp> any error message about pruss reset during early boot?
May 07 14:39:53 <panto> (i.e. before end of the week)
May 07 14:40:01 <cmicali> panto: let me know if/how i can help
May 07 14:40:24 <ghalfacree_> Got a BeagleBone Black, and can't get anything from the HDMI port. Tried three monitors, and no joy under Angstrom or Ubuntu 13.04. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong?
May 07 14:40:26 <cmicali> mdp: there is that omap hard reset failure message, but i see that on my working kernel too - koen said it's been there before
May 07 14:40:59 <mdp> ok, yeah, I don't have a BBB with a PRU
May 07 14:41:15 <mdp> would have to try on white
May 07 14:41:30 <cmicali> run thought maybe it was related to resetctrl
May 07 14:41:35 <cmicali> but i built the latest removing that patch set
May 07 14:41:40 <cmicali> and same behavior
May 07 14:42:50 <panto> cmicali, resetctl has nothing to do with the PRU (yet)
May 07 14:43:22 <panto> ghalfacree_, you can add a kernel cmdline option to hardcode a known good resolution
May 07 14:43:54 <panto> video=HDMI-A-1:1280x720@60
May 07 14:43:58 <cmicali> panto: i looked at it quickly, get the gist, but do not fully grok it all
May 07 14:44:00 <panto> for one of the resolutions
May 07 14:44:28 <panto> it's there for getting capes that conflict with hdmi/emmc to work
May 07 14:44:39 <ghalfacree_> panto: I'll try that now - thanks.
May 07 14:45:42 <detheridge> ghalfacree_ can you pastebin me a dmesg output from the black booting with the monitor attached.
May 07 14:46:39 <panto> hi detheridge
May 07 14:47:00 <detheridge> hi panto
May 07 14:47:04 <panto> ghalfacree_, add drm.debug=0xff too please
May 07 14:47:40 <detheridge> panto - good point, a key piece of information I need
May 07 14:47:53 <ghalfacree_> detheridge, panto: Okay - just rebooting it now. It's got an Ubuntu 13.04 SD card in it at the moment - want me to take that out and post the log from Angstrom instead?
May 07 14:48:00 <panto> detheridge, I have a patch that selects only audio working resolutions
May 07 14:48:13 <panto> but it's a hit or miss if it will work on some monitors
May 07 14:48:19 <panto> care to take a look?
May 07 14:48:33 <mru> yay for standards
May 07 14:48:33 <detheridge> ghalfacree_ probably doesn't matter.
May 07 14:48:46 <panto> mru, ISO-666
May 07 14:49:09 <detheridge> panto - I am working on getting all resolutions working with audio.  So hopefully this is a short lived patch.
May 07 14:49:24 <panto> detheridge, yeah, I hope so too
May 07 14:49:44 <detheridge> however all monitors should light up with even if the audio doesn't work with the currect set up
May 07 14:50:02 <panto> detheridge, http://pastebin.com/6p5VdmWW
May 07 14:50:13 <panto> detheridge, I know, I'm stumped
May 07 14:51:39 <ghalfacree_> detheridge, panto: http://pastebin.com/PgRhKeXw
May 07 14:52:06 <ghalfacree_> I added the video line to uEnv.txt, but it made no difference - the monitor is still not seeing a signal.
May 07 14:52:52 <mdp> cmicali, but PRU worked on an earlier beagleboard 3.8 kernel for you?
May 07 14:53:16 <panto> ghalfacree_, drm.debug in the kernel command line?
May 07 14:53:28 <panto> [    0.000000] Kernel command line: console=ttyO0,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ro rootfstype=ext4 rootwait fixrtc ip=
May 07 14:53:36 <panto> stuff seems mising
May 07 14:53:54 <cmicali> mdp: yeah, i had everything working on 3.8.6
May 07 14:53:56 <ghalfacree_> panto: Oh, I added that to the uEnv.txt - where's the kernel command line stored?
May 07 14:54:10 <panto> you need to put it in optargs
May 07 14:54:52 <panto> in uEnv.txt that is
May 07 14:56:22 <ghalfacree_> panto: Oh, on the same line as optargs=? Right, done that, rebooting now.
May 07 14:59:25 <ghalfacree_> panto, detheridge: Here you go, this looks more like it: http://pastebin.com/052V04r3
May 07 15:01:13 <detheridge> ghalfacree_  - do you see anything when it boots
May 07 15:01:23 <detheridge> the log looks like it gets the EDID from the monitor
May 07 15:01:35 <detheridge> which means the cable is good, the board is good, the monitor is good
May 07 15:01:42 <detheridge> it selects a mode correctly
May 07 15:01:59 <ghalfacree_> detheridge: Nothing at all on the monitor. On a TV, it knows there's something there (it lets me select the input, which it doesn't do if there's nothing plugged in and switched on) but just displays "No Signal."
May 07 15:02:52 <ghalfacree_> detheridge: At no point of the boot process does anything appear. On another monitor, it says "No Video Input - Entering Sleep Mode," but then (oddly) comes *back* from sleep mode, times out, re-enters sleep mode, wakes up again, times out... And so forth. Still no picture, though.
May 07 15:07:58 <detheridge> ghalfacree_  I don't really see anything bad in that log
May 07 15:08:26 <panto> detheridge, me neither
May 07 15:08:35 <panto> perhaps the pixel clock is off?
May 07 15:08:41 <detheridge> could you try booting it without the video= on the kernel parameters
May 07 15:08:51 <panto> I have some weird static/crackle on the audio on specific resolutions
May 07 15:08:59 <ghalfacree_> detheridge: Okay, trying now.
May 07 15:09:08 <panto> i.e. 720p x 60Hz - crackle on left channel
May 07 15:09:15 <panto> 720p x 50Hz - all ok
May 07 15:09:18 <detheridge> panto - I think the crackle is because the CTS values are wrong for certain resolutions
May 07 15:09:38 <detheridge> my new patch will address all of that
May 07 15:10:29 <detheridge> although for 720@60Hz we should be correct
May 07 15:10:55 * panto shrugs
May 07 15:12:26 <ghalfacree_> detheridge, panto: http://pastebin.com/kKN4Ejiq
May 07 15:12:36 <ghalfacree_> (Still nothing on-screen.)
May 07 15:13:15 <detheridge> i have seen an issue when DPMS kicks on when it shouldn't (like right after finish booting) - but moving the mouse or something wakes it back up
May 07 15:13:34 <panto> ghalfacree_, care to try with 1280x720@50 ?
May 07 15:14:03 <ghalfacree_> detheridge: Plugged in a keyboard in, hit a key - nada.
May 07 15:14:08 <ghalfacree_> panto: Okay, hang on...
May 07 15:15:01 <koen> detheridge: I tracked down one of dpms blankings down to ntp
May 07 15:15:34 <koen> detheridge: if your dhcp server provides ntp info connman will use that and set the time, since the RTC isn't battery backed that means it goes from 2000.01.01 -> now
May 07 15:15:51 <panto> ghalfacree_, err, I don't see the video= option in the kernel command line args
May 07 15:15:57 <panto> paste your uEnv.txt
May 07 15:15:57 <XorA> lets do the time warp again....
May 07 15:16:01 <koen> and X goes "been idle for 13 years, let's blank"
May 07 15:16:18 <ghalfacree_> panto: That's because detheridge asked me to remove it.
May 07 15:16:47 <panto> X can't be so stupid as to not using wall time?
May 07 15:16:59 <ghalfacree_> panto, detheridge: No luck at 720@50Hz either. Monitor still stubbornly blank.
May 07 15:17:36 <detheridge> ghalfacree_ this is really odd
May 07 15:17:45 <ssi> DT overlays is gonna be a hillclimb, isn't it
May 07 15:17:50 <ghalfacree_> detheridge: Well, at least it's not just me being stupid, then!
May 07 15:18:03 <panto> ssi, depends :)
May 07 15:18:23 <ssi> on how smart I am?   hillclimb it is ;)
May 07 15:18:32 <panto> nah
May 07 15:19:27 <ssi> is anyone building and using them at runtime yet?
May 07 15:19:36 <ssi> everything I've seen so far is done at kernel compile time
May 07 15:21:14 <detheridge> ghalfacree_ -  could you try forcing the 720p when plugged into the TV.   This will force the driver to select a builtin mode in the HDMI chip instead of using a custom timing that we generate
May 07 15:21:17 <panto> ssi, yes, jkrinder does
May 07 15:21:32 <panto> there's nothing special about doing it in runtime
May 07 15:21:52 <panto> just remember to use -@ as argument to dtc to enable them
May 07 15:22:00 <ghalfacree_> detheridge: Okay - you'll have to give me a few minutes, 'cos the TV is downstairs and I'm... well, not.
May 07 15:23:37 <detheridge> ghalfacree_ no problem, thanks for running around...
May 07 15:25:54 <detheridge> ghalfacree_  we also have seen (albeit very rare) bad cables.
May 07 15:28:04 <ssi> I guess I should migrate my kernel build environment to the bbb
May 07 15:28:32 <av500> why?
May 07 15:28:34 <panto> ssi, the easiest way to get the patched dtc is to grab the bbb kernel sources
May 07 15:28:39 <panto> it's there already
May 07 15:28:41 <ghalfacree_> detheridge: Same problem: the TV knows there's something there, but it can't find a signal. (As for the cable, I've tested it with a Nokia PureView 808 and it worked fine - but I've got a replacement coming tomorrow just in case.)
May 07 15:28:57 <ssi> panto: the robertcnelson tree?  that's what I've been working from
May 07 15:29:11 <av500> no
May 07 15:29:13 <panto> no
May 07 15:29:14 <av500> the beagle tree
May 07 15:29:29 <ssi> hm ok
May 07 15:29:31 <levi> Is that the one from meta-beagleboard?
May 07 15:29:38 <ghalfacree_> detheridge: http://pastebin.com/ESrPKVdJ
May 07 15:29:39 <ssi> https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 yes?
May 07 15:29:51 <levi> linux-mainline + a bunch of patches?
May 07 15:30:27 <panto> that's it (in patch form()
May 07 15:30:29 <panto> *form)
May 07 15:30:51 <panto> there's a internal dev-tracking branch in a more normal tree format
May 07 15:30:52 <levi> Is there a pre-patched git repository somewhere, or is that the patchset the canonical form?
May 07 15:31:02 <panto> but it gets rebased frequently
May 07 15:31:39 <levi> Are the patches managed via quilt or something?
May 07 15:31:42 <panto>  git://github.com/koenkooi/linux.git - branch 3.8-for-panto-rebase
May 07 15:31:48 <panto> levi, no
May 07 15:31:52 <grantsmith> if I purchase a memory stick and plug it into the BBB USB, should I be able to mount it ?
May 07 15:33:23 <levi> panto: Is there a public mailing list where the patches going into the beagle kernel are discussed?
May 07 15:35:11 <panto> levi, not really at this point, but everything eventually will find it's way to the mainline kernel
May 07 15:36:55 <panto> fwiw, we don't like having stuff out of mainline, so the beagle* trees are supposed to be short-lived
May 07 15:37:29 <didof3> Flashed BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.06.img and can't see my sd card tried other earlier releases and same result. fdisk -l doesn't show the sd to mount. any ideas?
May 07 15:37:33 <koen> like the steak sandwich in front of me
May 07 15:37:47 <koen> didof3: known bug, sd cards don't work
May 07 15:37:55 <didof3> mmm
May 07 15:38:01 <koen> didof3: you need to hassle the TI guy maintaining the mmc driver
May 07 15:38:11 <av500> panto: where is that "internal" tracking thing?
May 07 15:38:17 * koen wonders if jkridner_ is still hassling that guy as well
May 07 15:38:32 <av500> ah
May 07 15:38:37 <av500> git://github.com/koenkooi/linux.git
May 07 15:39:09 <didof3> name and address I'll send over my X wife. should be fixed by tomorrow
May 07 15:39:31 <av500> 2 more and you have A-Z complete
May 07 15:45:47 <ghalfacree_> Right, need to get my daughter's tea ready. Thanks for the help, panto & detheridge - if you have an epiphany in my absence, I've got a post open here: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/0fMTXLPuGS4
May 07 15:47:35 <detheridge> ghalfacree_  I"ll looking into this more, I'm in a meeting at the moment
May 07 15:47:48 <detheridge> will possibly send you some extra things to try
May 07 15:47:54 <detheridge> I'll switch to the google group
May 07 15:52:59 <mdp> koen, balaji?
May 07 15:53:34 * mdp sends #exactsteps internally and goes to lunch mowing lawn
May 07 15:54:29 <koen> mdp: dunno
May 07 15:54:36 <koen> mdp: jkridner_ said he'd poke the guy
May 07 16:04:09 <levi> panto: Do you know what the current state of the CPTS module and IEEE1588 support is?
May 07 16:04:53 <panto> levi, no idea
May 07 16:05:07 <panto> try to strong arm TI to get something done there
May 07 16:05:21 <panto> who knows, maybe you can pull it off
May 07 16:05:38 <levi> I've done it before, but for QNX.
May 07 16:05:55 <panto> cpts is in the kernel
May 07 16:06:00 <levi> So CPTS and CPSW are pretty familiar to me now.
May 07 16:06:05 <panto> but I can tell you no one tested it
May 07 16:06:15 <panto> levi, you can do better
May 07 16:06:32 <panto> you can fix it in our tree and we'll make sure it stays there
May 07 16:07:12 <av500> what is cpts?
May 07 16:07:14 <levi> Well, getting Ethernet AVB to work is one of my main hobby projects for the BBB I just got, so hopefully I'll have some good stuff to contribute.
May 07 16:07:30 <levi> av500: It's a timestamping engine
May 07 16:07:30 <panto> levi, that's cool
May 07 16:07:39 <panto> we like cool projects
May 07 16:08:41 <levi> The PTP part should hopefully only involve tweaking, fixing, and integrating some things.
May 07 16:09:15 <detheridge> panto - your patch looks fine, you've done some of what I needed to figure out how to do with edid/audio, so I'll happily steal that.  I will apply it and test it on a range of monitors.
May 07 16:09:15 <levi> The streaming will probably involve the PRUs.
May 07 16:09:51 <panto> detheridge, we have reports from the factory that monitors don't sync right with this applied
May 07 16:10:12 <panto> something is still pissing the monitors off
May 07 16:11:02 <detheridge> hmmm - ok,  let me look more closely.  I already know of an issue with the NLINE/NPIX setting which could potentially cause an issue with some monitors.
May 07 16:11:33 <levi> I'm pretty sure there are some others out there working on getting CPTS to work for PTP, though. Going to have to track down where their latest work is brewing so I don't waste time re-implementing things.
May 07 16:11:35 <detheridge> however when audio is selected it will use one of the prebuilt CEA modes in the TDA chip, so that should be perfect timings.
May 07 16:13:14 <koen> detheridge: does the nxp reencode the timings?
May 07 16:13:30 <koen> suppose the lcdc delivers slightly off timings
May 07 16:13:30 <detheridge> koen : not sure what you are asking
May 07 16:14:21 <koen> detheridge: you say "perfect timings"
May 07 16:14:44 <koen> does lcdc need to deliver perfect timuings or will the nxp fix it up?
May 07 16:14:48 <detheridge> yes it is very complicated :)   So using the audio modes it disables the use of the VSYNC/DE/HSync external signals
May 07 16:15:31 <mru> koen: think about what you're asking
May 07 16:15:44 <panto> detheridge, if there are any options to use different methods can we expose it via a dt property?
May 07 16:15:49 <panto> perhaps one or the other will work better
May 07 16:16:26 <detheridge> panto - I think if we just fix the bugs one method will work fine.
May 07 16:16:32 <mru> koen: there's no way you can "fix up" badly timed signals on an output without flow control
May 07 16:18:46 <detheridge> mru - is very correct, subtle changes to the LCDC settings make changes on the HDMI.   It is a case of making the two work together in complete harmony :)
May 07 16:19:37 <panto> amen
May 07 16:19:49 <detheridge> unfortunately that is also the tricky part
May 07 16:19:52 <mru> in a video display chain, the source set the clock and everything downstream locks onto it
May 07 16:20:38 <mru> trying to generate the clock locally in a downstream device _will_ result in drift
May 07 16:21:14 <mru> unless you're willing to put atomic clocks in each stage
May 07 16:22:50 <detheridge> we can ask Gerald for that feature addition :)
May 07 16:23:25 <KotH> mru: and even those have a drift
May 07 16:29:34 <mru> KotH: yes, but you could probably run for a few weeks at least
May 07 16:31:25 <KotH> mru: given that you have a primary standard and everything well setup... probably for a couple of years until you skip a frame
May 07 16:33:38 <KotH> mru: yeah.. about 950 years :)
May 07 16:33:52 <KotH> (not accounting for aging and power losses)
May 07 16:50:44 <panto> detheridge, speaker-test -c2 -s1 -f 440 -t sine & speaker-test -c2 -s2 -f 440 -t sine
May 07 16:51:01 <panto> will tell you immediately if there are problem
May 07 16:51:03 <ssi> it takes a million years to check out kernel source on the bbb
May 07 16:51:04 <panto> *problems
May 07 16:51:20 <ssi> I kicked it off when we were talking about it, an hour and a half ago... still going
May 07 16:51:33 <panto> ssi, clone it in your local box, tarball, and extract in the bone
May 07 16:51:46 <ssi> little late for that now :)
May 07 16:51:49 <panto> no difference that doing the checkout on the bone :)
May 07 16:51:51 <panto> ssi, heheh
May 07 16:52:46 <ssi> not looking forward to seeing how long the actual build will take
May 07 16:53:29 <ssi> it doesn't help that I'm simultaneously running the patch script on the beaglebone/kernel repo and checking out from that koenkooi repo
May 07 16:54:37 <levi> Why are you building it on the bone?
May 07 16:54:52 <ssi> why the heck not
May 07 16:55:00 <ssi> I mostly just need dtc on the bone
May 07 16:55:35 <levi> Well, because it will take a long time. But if you don't mind waiting...
May 07 17:00:59 <ssi> I'm sure it'll take a long time
May 07 17:01:06 <ssi> load on the thing is 5 just trying to check out the source
May 07 17:01:07 <ssi> :'(
May 07 17:01:14 <chris123> hi.  i have the beaglebone black, and got the tarball from TI for Android 4.x.  i made the bootable sdcard as per the instructions, and it is not booting on Black.  in fact, as per "fdisk -l" on the black, it is not detecting any sd card outside fo the onboard one.
May 07 17:02:26 <levi> Did you hold down the boot button?
May 07 17:03:10 <chris123> oops, no.  I didnt see a button on the board.  where do i find it please?
May 07 17:04:14 <levi> Bottom right side of the board, right on the opposite face from the microSD card slot.
May 07 17:04:22 <chris123> i will check, thanks!
May 07 17:10:45 <jkroon_> Anyone know of a DTS section describing a 5-wire touchscreen together with the "tsadc" driver ?
May 07 17:12:21 <koen> no, only 4 wires so far
May 07 17:13:04 <jkroon_> koen, but should 5-wire should work.. ?
May 07 17:13:31 <koen> iirc you need support inside the tsc driver for that
May 07 17:13:35 <koen> since it's no linear
May 07 17:13:46 <koen> it's been a few years since I looked into that
May 07 17:17:26 <chris123> "S2" is the user boot button?
May 07 17:18:56 <levi> chris123: Yes
May 07 17:22:25 <chris123> does android 4.1.2 as provided by TI work on Black ?
May 07 17:22:53 <jkroon_> koen, ok, well, at least I see code in ti_am335x_tsc.c handling the 5 wire case, in some way at least
May 07 17:27:22 <chris123> hi kridner.  its your favourite XA from Toronto
May 07 17:28:25 <fishhead2567> oh... thats a new one. When i did opkg update now, i got a no space left on device...
May 07 17:28:35 <fishhead2567> but so far it has not bricked my kernel
May 07 17:29:29 <m_billybob> chris123, you could always check the TI devkit wiki
May 07 17:29:38 <m_billybob> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/BeagleBone-Android-DevKit_Guide
May 07 17:31:22 <m_billybob> was always my understanding that android had to be specifically ported to the Sitara processors, but i honestly do not know for sure
May 07 17:33:18 <_av500_> a something killer: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sparkdevices/spark-core-wi-fi-for-everything-arduino-compatible?ref=home_popular
May 07 17:33:23 <_av500_> even has ti inside
May 07 17:34:45 <m_billybob> is that the new nordic "coin sized bluetooth device" ?
May 07 17:34:57 <m_billybob> ah page finally loaded
May 07 17:36:04 <_av500_> CC3000
May 07 17:36:12 <m_billybob> looks interresting. different from what I thought it might be
May 07 17:36:33 <m_billybob> seems everyone is on the "arduino compatible" bandwagon now days
May 07 17:37:00 <chris123> thanks billybob
May 07 17:37:20 <m_billybob> np chris123, just hope its helpful, i havent read through it meself.
May 07 17:38:22 <malcom2073> _av500_: Is that like the IMP, that it requries their servers to do anything?
May 07 17:39:11 <chris123> billybob:  it doesnt seem to yet, but Black is so new, I wouldnt expect much yet.
May 07 17:40:10 <_av500_> malcom2073: no
May 07 17:40:16 <m_billybob> heh so, an M3 connected via a msp430 with wifi on die
May 07 17:40:39 <malcom2073> Hmm
May 07 17:40:42 <_av500_> CC3000 is msp with wifi
May 07 17:40:52 * m_billybob nods
May 07 17:42:25 <_av500_> oh, there is a cloud too
May 07 17:42:27 <_av500_> well
May 07 17:43:41 <levi> Our future is in the clouds! :P
May 07 17:43:42 <malcom2073> Looks like (unlike the imp), they'll be releasing their server source code, so you can implement your own local server
May 07 17:43:53 <m_billybob> was just reading in EDN about somethign similar but smaller + bluetooth ( not wifi )
May 07 17:44:07 <fishhead2567> so in general, is it a bad idea to run opkg update on the BBB?
May 07 17:44:18 <fishhead2567> i am having pretty bad luck with it so far.
May 07 17:44:18 <_av500_> normally not
May 07 17:44:25 <_av500_> update just updates the package list
May 07 17:44:29 <_av500_> no?
May 07 17:44:36 <m_billybob> fishhead2567, ive done it sucessfully, but my buddy here who also has one had problems with it
May 07 17:44:40 <_av500_> but then, I never update anything
May 07 17:44:54 <fishhead2567> _av500_, sorry i mean upgrade
May 07 17:44:59 <_av500_> ah
May 07 17:45:07 <fishhead2567> m_billybob, it just filled my BBB so all the updates are failing with "no space left on disk"
May 07 17:45:09 <_av500_> yes, on the shipping image
May 07 17:45:09 <fishhead2567> - _ -
May 07 17:45:23 <_av500_> something with  the kernel
May 07 17:45:26 <_av500_> see the mailing list
May 07 17:45:31 <_av500_> or just reflash it
May 07 17:45:35 <_av500_> see irc logs
May 07 17:45:38 <m_billybob> fishhead2567, may have to use a user named temp directory.
May 07 17:45:39 <fishhead2567> _av500_, yes indeed. i can fix the kernel bug, but now i am full of datas
May 07 17:45:48 <_av500_> deelte some datas
May 07 17:45:50 <_av500_> delete
May 07 17:45:57 <fishhead2567> m_billybob, ah yah. i can take the card i flashd with and mount it to temp
May 07 17:46:11 <fishhead2567> that may be the best way
May 07 17:46:19 <m_billybob> one second let me find what i did exactly
May 07 17:46:26 <fishhead2567> this package upgrade took me about 4 hours tho, so i am sad =(
May 07 17:46:29 <m_billybob> but i did a net upgrade too ( didnt use a sd card )
May 07 17:49:21 <prpplague> mdp: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/dsgCZvGtBEv
May 07 17:49:22 <m_billybob> 1) mkdir ~/mytmp -> opkg update -> opkg upgrade -t ~/mytmp -> opkg --force-overwrite install kernel-image-3.8.8
May 07 17:49:27 <m_billybob> thats what worked for me
May 07 17:49:52 <m_billybob> according to what i read a few days ago though with 3.8.11 you dotn need to do a force-overwrite
May 07 17:50:11 <fishhead2567> m_billybob, hoping so
May 07 17:50:21 <m_billybob> I havent upgraded passed 3.8.8 so i wouldnt know from hands on
May 07 17:50:28 <fishhead2567> its able to configure the packages it dled before it filled up
May 07 17:50:36 <fishhead2567> im hoping i can upgrade those once this finishes
May 07 17:51:06 <m_billybob> but yeah i did that and of course i had to have my ethernet plugged in and working
May 07 17:51:28 <m_billybob> sd cards didnt get here until yesterday lol
May 07 17:53:07 <fishhead2567> m_billybob,yah i broke my board last opkg upgrade... so i had to wait until i got an sd card this morning
May 07 17:53:27 <m_billybob> one of ours came in semi broken
May 07 17:53:32 <fishhead2567> i wish in known issues it said "hey dont do that" =(
May 07 17:53:41 <fishhead2567> m_billybob, oh? what was the issue?
May 07 17:53:41 <m_billybob> one worked the other worked with web, but no ssh
May 07 17:54:15 <m_billybob> my buddy flashed it to 3.8.6 and got it working, but did an upgrade and it hosed it again lol
May 07 17:54:44 <fishhead2567> thats the story of my life so far
May 07 17:54:53 <fishhead2567> PYBBIO says "amke sure its upgraded"
May 07 17:54:59 <m_billybob> so yeah idkexactly whats happening.
May 07 17:55:16 <fishhead2567> so i go upgrade.. and KABOOM
May 07 17:55:30 <m_billybob> fishhead2567, plus im new to this platform too so kind of an added learnign curve heh
May 07 17:55:46 <m_billybob> goign ot try and make my own image soon
May 07 17:55:53 <m_billybob> once i get all the tools i need installed
May 07 17:56:30 <fishhead2567> m oh definately. I am pretty good with linux, but have very little embedded device experience. It's been frustrating since i cant tell if im screwing up... or it isnt workihng =P
May 07 17:56:32 <fishhead2567> er m_billybob
May 07 17:56:55 <m_billybob> Ihave hands on with embedded, but not of this type
May 07 17:57:08 <m_billybob> my previous experience is with devices that have no OS
May 07 17:57:26 <m_billybob> msp430, rabbit micro etc
May 07 17:57:55 <m_billybob> tiny bit with TI's old stellaris M3  board
May 07 18:00:11 <m_billybob> fishhead2567, anyhow i say get somethign working, then leave it alone. get familiar with it, then once somethign compellign comes along hopefully you've got enouh hands on with it to make the upgrade painless
May 07 18:00:29 <mdp> prpplague, I need to catch up
May 07 18:01:15 <mdp> prpplague, going to try to get something going this evening..are the necessary patches in your fork?
May 07 18:01:32 <prpplague> mdp: for a native virtual build
May 07 18:01:43 <prpplague> mdp: i'll start pushing some of the beagle stuff in a few days
May 07 18:08:59 <fishhead2567> so im off but m_billybob. you do still need to tell it to force the kernel install
May 07 18:09:01 <fishhead2567> flash for me!
May 07 18:10:07 <m_billybob> working then ?
May 07 18:12:22 <mdp> prpplague, ok
May 07 18:22:50 <CalcMan> anyone have any experience using capes?
May 07 18:24:10 <MH_> calcman they are all different, yes.
May 07 18:25:15 <CalcMan> ok, so here's the scenario, there are these DCAN interfaces, 2 of them in fact, but the current capes only take advantage of 1 because of the way the pinouts are setup
May 07 18:26:03 <CalcMan> it looks like there might be a set of pins that will bring both out to the cape, but doing so will likely need to use the pins that are currently in use for the i2c bus to the eeproms
May 07 18:26:51 <CalcMan> so for custom boards and stuff, can you get away with not using an eeprom on the cape
May 07 18:27:37 <ds2> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
May 07 18:29:43 <MH_> I am a little confused by your question, of course you do not need eeprom on a cape.  A cape can be whatever you want.  What is the cape you are using?
May 07 18:37:10 <MH_> If you are doing a custom board no eeprom is needed, only if you are planing on selling it does the eeprom really come into play.  section 7.1 of the ref manual.
May 07 18:38:10 <CalcMan> ok, thanks
May 07 18:38:39 <CalcMan> I just see the i2c coming up to the board and being 'required' for the capes, and I didn't track how that bit was used
May 07 18:39:10 <CalcMan> I'd want to repurpose that pin, I'll go check out that section in the ref
May 07 18:39:34 <CalcMan> would that be in the BBB_SRM document?
May 07 18:40:09 <CareBear\> probably yesS?
May 07 18:40:11 <CareBear\> -S
May 07 18:40:40 <ssi> I think it's section 8 now
May 07 19:10:26 <levi> Yeah, the CPTS driver really is a bit weak right now.
May 07 19:11:56 <levi> Probably I could leave CPTS for ethernet timestamping only, and use an eCAP for measuring word clocks though.
May 07 19:13:46 <levi> Based on ML discussion, though, the TI engineer working on the Linux support for this stuff doesn't seem to know the hardware all that well.
May 07 19:15:26 <levi> Not entirely surprising, though, as it's way more complex than a typical ethernet interface.
May 07 19:24:58 <CalcMan> if I want to build the beagleboard distro from source what do I need to grab?
May 07 19:25:09 <_av500_> angstrom
May 07 19:25:11 <_av500_> website
May 07 19:25:13 <_av500_> 3 steps
May 07 19:25:16 <_av500_> thats all
May 07 19:25:56 <_av500_> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
May 07 19:26:19 <CalcMan> ubuntu?
May 07 19:26:26 <_av500_> though I dont think that build a "flasher" image, but it should run from an sd card
May 07 19:26:30 <_av500_> ubuntu?
May 07 19:27:01 <CalcMan> I've seen a compiled version for ubuntu
May 07 19:27:17 <_av500_> no idea about ubuntu
May 07 19:27:27 <_av500_> ask Robert Nelson on the mailing list
May 07 19:28:11 <CalcMan> ok, do you happen to know which part of the code base handles the PIN configuration and EEPROM cape polling?
May 07 19:28:46 <mrpackethead> right.
May 07 19:29:41 <levi> _av500_: Having just completed those steps last night, I can say definitely that it doesn't build a flasher image, or even a full sd card image.
May 07 19:29:51 <_av500_> I know
May 07 19:30:09 <_av500_> it does build something though
May 07 19:30:11 <CalcMan> did you figure out how to get it on the board then?
May 07 19:30:28 <_av500_> it does create a root filesystem IIRC
May 07 19:30:39 <_av500_> and a kernel etc
May 07 19:30:44 <_av500_> copy to SD, run
May 07 19:30:56 <levi> The deploy directory has a kernel, u-boot, MLO, and root fs image.
May 07 19:33:02 <levi> The rootfs image is there in both tar.gz and tar.xz formats.
May 07 19:37:54 <mrpackethead> morning.
May 07 19:38:08 <mrpackethead> is anyone from Circuit Co here
May 07 19:38:20 <mrpackethead> *turn* the brightness down!!!
May 07 19:39:05 <koen> that's a gerald decision, nothing we at cco can do
May 07 19:39:26 <koen> gerald said someone should hand him a lux/lumen figure
May 07 19:46:56 <levi> Talking about the LED brightness or what?
May 07 19:48:17 <someothernonregi> hey guys, I'm trying to bridge internet connections from a Ubuntu host to a Angstrom Linux Beagleboard, so that I can access the Beagleboard over the internet, any pointers as where I can find more information about this?
May 07 19:51:03 <levi> Look for an IP routing howto for Ubuntu, or possibly an ethernet bridging howto.
May 07 19:54:39 <Patrick_> hello out there
May 07 19:56:20 <someothernonregi> Ok thanks, I'll look for that.
May 07 19:56:25 <Patrick_> im tryin to install the beagle drivers to windows 8 and it fails... some here with same probs?
May 07 19:58:21 <_av500_> something about 32 vs 64 bit
May 07 19:58:33 <Patrick_> x64
May 07 19:58:43 <mru> why would anyone use windows 8?
May 07 19:58:48 <Patrick_> corei7
May 07 19:58:56 <mru> of course 'use' is a rather strong word
May 07 19:59:53 <mru> on an i7 you should of course run win7
May 07 20:01:47 <Patrick_> no chances to run it on win8?
May 07 20:02:27 <someothernonregi> well, you can always install virtualbox and run a linux distribution in windows 8 as a virtual machine
May 07 20:03:04 <mru> I was under the impression that nobody had as yet done anything useful with win8
May 07 20:03:11 <Patrick_> ahhhh this f**kin win8 .....
May 07 20:03:16 <_av500_> Patrick_: is it about driver signatures?
May 07 20:03:50 <_av500_> see "Windows 8 (64bit) driver install problems" on the mailing list
May 07 20:03:59 <levi> If it's about driver signatures, apparently you have to boot win8 to a special mode in order to install unsigned drivers.
May 07 20:04:54 <Patrick_> it starts to copy files and then nothing and install fail
May 07 20:05:25 <_av500_> copy files?
May 07 20:06:31 <Patrick_> ill post an image
May 07 20:07:03 <_av500_> is it not a zip?
May 07 20:07:06 <_av500_> oops
May 07 20:07:08 <_av500_> wrong window
May 07 20:09:23 <Patrick_> this is how it looks like and where it stops
May 07 20:09:24 <Patrick_> http://www.rakeshmondal.info/pik/pic18f4550-Driver-installation-tutorial_DRIVER-INSTALL-PIC18F4550-2.jpg
May 07 20:12:11 <_av500_> PIC???
May 07 20:12:49 <Patrick_> it just lookin like that not exactly :)
May 07 20:13:36 <Martin_> There is an error in the BeagleBone Black documentation regarding the USR1, USR2, and USR3 gpio signals. Whom do I bug to change the documentation, without me having to get a Google account?
May 07 20:15:46 <Patrick_> <_av500_> think i solved the problem there's an option on booting windows to enable unsigned drivers i gonna check this out
May 07 20:16:30 <Patrick_> i'll be back to report it
May 07 20:18:42 <_av500_> Patrick_: this is what I said
May 07 20:18:53 <ssi> 148 minutes to build kernel on-bone
May 07 20:18:54 <ssi> :D
May 07 20:18:58 <_av500_> Martin_: write to the mailing list
May 07 20:19:06 <Patrick_> thanks
May 07 20:21:59 <levi> ssi: That's not too terrible, I guess.
May 07 20:22:09 <ssi> not the end of the world
May 07 20:22:21 <ssi> that's just make uImage... haven't done modules yet :)
May 07 20:22:27 <ssi> and i won't right now... time to battle the toyotas
May 07 20:22:39 <levi> I first built a Linux kernel on a 486sx/33 with, I think, 10mb of RAM and ~100mb HD.
May 07 20:22:47 <levi> Took all day.
May 07 20:23:04 <ssi> yeah I remember those days
May 07 20:23:17 <ssi> slackware :P
May 07 20:23:25 <levi> SLS!
May 07 20:24:20 <mru> yggdrasil ftw
May 07 20:25:03 <CareBear\> beagle drivers?
May 07 20:25:05 <CareBear\> what?
May 07 20:25:45 <CareBear\> someone put a programmable usb chip on the board and have descriptors that require a driver? that's lame. :(
May 07 20:26:17 <CareBear\> please show lsusb -v ?
May 07 20:26:52 <levi> CareBear\: In order to use the USB gadget mode in Windows, you have to install the drivers for its gadget functionality.
May 07 20:27:35 <Martin_> _av500: Thank you for the answer! But I just thought of _maybe_ checking the manual again to look for the author's email address, and wrote Gerald an email. :-)
May 07 20:30:53 <CareBear\> levi : it would be more clever to make a gadget driver which works without drivers
May 07 20:31:06 <CareBear\> levi : keyword: winusb device
May 07 20:31:34 <levi> A driver that works without drivers?
May 07 20:33:21 <Patrick_> _av500_   thanks, everything is wokin fine now :)
May 07 20:35:05 <m_billybob> levi he must be talkign about windows default mass storage drivers or somethign similar ? still a driver there . ..
May 07 20:37:15 <levi> Beats me.
May 07 20:43:27 <_av500_> hmm, my basement beagle was stuck
May 07 20:43:33 <_av500_> giberrish on the serial and no ssh
May 07 20:43:46 * _av500_ blames koen
May 07 20:47:19 <djlewis> _av500_: dont let it eat so much human food.
May 07 20:47:31 <m_billybob> _av500_ i had that problem a couple times, just stopped responding after about a day. did that a couple times, then just went away on its own
May 07 21:22:22 <Moult> hello all. i got myself a beaglebone black and i'm on linux. i can't seem to "Browse to the beagle" as a web application. (as a mass storage device is no problem). i've tried ejecting and remounting, as well as running the mkudevrules.sh (with no errors). i suspect it's an issue of missing kernel modules. can anyone help me debug this?
May 07 21:36:05 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: Micheal Jones ( Logi-bone ) now renegged on sneding the gerbers out
May 07 21:36:15 <mrpackethead> becuase hes trying to sell it to CircuitCo now
May 07 21:36:25 <mrpackethead> gah.
May 07 21:37:56 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, figures :P
May 07 21:38:13 <mrpackethead> I'd suggest its much more like that it doesnt work yet
May 07 21:38:49 <mrpackethead> so, he just wasted 3 days of lead time
May 07 21:38:53 <mrpackethead> gah.
May 07 21:39:00 <mdp> lol
May 07 21:39:49 <mrpackethead> so, he jumps in, to try to curtail some peopel from using teh "competition"
May 07 21:39:54 <mrpackethead> ie, teh BCC
May 07 21:40:05 <mrpackethead> wants to "pool" reosurces
May 07 21:40:12 <mrpackethead> but when it comes down to it
May 07 21:40:38 <mrpackethead> does'nt do anything
May 07 21:40:56 <mrpackethead> but quote " Of course feel free to press forward as you see fit. "
May 07 21:41:16 <mrpackethead> I think hes confused about how he wants to progress.
May 07 21:41:26 <mrpackethead> hes build a web page as if its a commerical operation
May 07 21:41:33 <mrpackethead> but then it seems like its open source
May 07 21:41:34 <ka6sox> yes, he has
May 07 21:41:45 <mrpackethead> oh, well,
May 07 21:41:49 <ka6sox> yup
May 07 21:41:53 <mrpackethead> teh 3A will be a ueful thing to get started with
May 07 21:41:58 <ka6sox> very
May 07 21:42:00 <mrpackethead> and at least we know it works
May 07 21:42:10 <ka6sox> quite
May 07 21:43:11 <mrpackethead> logi-vapour-bone
May 07 21:43:19 <ssi> "clo-pen source" is entirely too common :(
May 07 21:43:43 <mrpackethead> and honestly, its just a pcb, with some connections to a big chip
May 07 21:43:50 <mrpackethead> some leds, and switches and connectors
May 07 21:43:55 <mrpackethead> theres not exaclty a lot to it
May 07 21:44:03 <ka6sox> nope
May 07 21:44:25 <mrpackethead> and the reason Circuitco probalby dno't want to run it
May 07 21:44:37 <mrpackethead> is that a board with two switches and two leds is'nt a finished useful product
May 07 21:44:43 <mrpackethead> it does'nt "do" anytinng
May 07 21:44:51 <mrpackethead> and the vast majority of people want to "do" something
May 07 21:45:11 <ka6sox> be is better than do and do is better than doesn't
May 07 21:50:06 <CareBear\> levi m_billybob : I am talking about the Microsoft-specific descriptors that a device can include in order to make Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8 automatically load and bind WinUSB.sys as driver for the device within milliseconds of connecting the device, transparently to the user. after that, the device can be accessed using libusb-1.0. usability is excellent. careful design of the descriptors allows the device to work identically on mac os x and linux a
May 07 21:50:56 <CareBear\> msft refers to such a device as "winusb device"
May 07 21:51:04 <CareBear\> it's not as bad as it might sound
May 07 21:51:45 <CareBear\> it requires one string descriptor and one type=vendor recipient=device control request (where bRequest is specified by the device in the string descriptor)
May 07 21:51:50 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> within milliseconds? why make the user sit there and twiddle their thumbs for that long?
May 07 21:52:29 <levi> CareBear\: So implement it!
May 07 21:53:06 <CareBear\> levi : is the blackbone kernel linux.git?
May 07 21:53:17 <CareBear\> levi : I already work on the libusb side
May 07 21:53:38 <CareBear\> levi : but I'm happy to help with advice if someone else wants to do it
May 07 21:54:03 <levi> The kernel is a mainline 3.8.11 kernel with a series of patches applied.
May 07 21:54:15 <CareBear\> almost good
May 07 21:54:33 <CareBear\> "series of patches" is unfortunate
May 07 21:54:35 <CareBear\> :)
May 07 21:55:10 <levi> You try keeping up to date with new features and get all the work pushed into the mainline kernel.
May 07 21:55:39 <CareBear\> I guess it comes down to how the work is being done
May 07 21:55:44 <levi> I think they do a pretty damned good job of it, all things considered.
May 07 21:56:37 <CareBear\> if there is a higher priority than "getting into mainline" then of course it will take longer
May 07 21:57:54 <levi> Getting stuff into mainline isn't exactly a trivial process, especially for an entire SoC and its various peripherals, and it's made more troublesome right now by the switch to Device Tree.
May 07 21:58:11 <CareBear\> the soc is not the board
May 07 21:58:25 <CareBear\> but anyway, I am not saying it is not work
May 07 21:58:37 <levi> Are you helping?
May 07 21:58:38 <CareBear\> do you know the gadget situation?
May 07 21:59:17 <CareBear\> as I said, I work elsewhere
May 07 21:59:43 <CareBear\> but I'd like to think that I am helping overall
May 07 21:59:55 <CareBear\> the "ecosystem" or whatever buzzword :)
May 07 22:01:15 <levi> Well, sitting around playing armchair critic of their kernel development procedures doesn't strike me as very helpful, but whatever. I don't know much about the gadget situation except that the board shows up as a USB network adapter as well as a mass storage device when I plug it in.
May 07 22:01:32 <levi> Not really the aspect of the BBB I'm interested in.
May 07 22:01:52 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it uses the multi gadget. mass storage/network.
May 07 22:02:17 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> network = ethernet over usb.
May 07 22:02:26 <CareBear\> PRU_EVTOUT_2 : do you know what the situation is for the various usb device stacks?
May 07 22:02:36 <mrpackethead> PRU_EVTOUT_2: which is really confusing for many folks.
May 07 22:02:37 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> nope.
May 07 22:03:57 <CareBear\> mrpackethead : many folks don't get usb
May 07 22:04:09 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> CareBear\: just as a curious observer that came in late, what's up?
May 07 22:04:15 <mrpackethead> espically not ethernet over usb
May 07 22:04:32 <m_billybob> tcp/ip over ethernet is confusing ?
May 07 22:04:37 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i came in when you mentioned the ms approach.
May 07 22:04:37 <m_billybob> err over USB
May 07 22:05:03 <CareBear\> PRU_EVTOUT_2 : I called lame when someone mentioned that they had a problem installing USB drivers for the blackbone
May 07 22:05:09 <CareBear\> PRU_EVTOUT_2 : on a windows usb host
May 07 22:05:22 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: it does seem to be for some reason. everyone i've mentioned it to was like "wait, ethernet emulated over usb?" like ethernet requires a phy or something.
May 07 22:05:47 <CareBear\> PRU_EVTOUT_2 : and pointed out that by now it's straightforward to make a usb device not need users to install drivers
May 07 22:06:15 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, theguide is windows centtric .  . . pretty much braindead, just do what it says, click the hyperlinks and it even downloads it for you.
May 07 22:06:17 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> CareBear\: I think everyones opinion at this point is, "stuff is getting worked out".
May 07 22:06:19 <mrpackethead> i can also understand why using the ethernet is problmatic
May 07 22:06:35 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: i just mean the concept of ethernet over usb. :)
May 07 22:06:38 <mrpackethead> because many folks can't cofigure an ethernet port
May 07 22:06:59 <mrpackethead> i think i was sad that they actually called it ethernet over USB
May 07 22:07:03 <mrpackethead> becuase its not ethernet
May 07 22:07:10 <mrpackethead> its a network connection over USB
May 07 22:07:14 <m_billybob> google -> how to configure <distro name> networking.
May 07 22:07:17 <mru> most OSes muddling things up in their configuration system doesn't help
May 07 22:07:18 <CareBear\> PRU_EVTOUT_2 : people, especially in the US, lock on to special cases; people talk about products and not technology. so ethernet frames must obviously go over cat5 with 8p8c connectors.
May 07 22:07:27 <mru> and that includes most linux distros
May 07 22:07:44 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> CareBear\: beaglebone black it was released a little over a week ago, meaning a very limited number of people were working on it. so it's pretty rough right now, but things are very quickly improving.
May 07 22:07:45 <mdp> CareBear\, oooohhh...nice generalization ;)
May 07 22:08:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> CareBear\: i think it's more about people not having any insight into how things actually work more than anything else. :P
May 07 22:08:30 * m_billybob is American, runs windows doesnt know networkign terribly well, and is rather rusty with Linux even
May 07 22:08:35 <CareBear\> mdp : it's certainly true for products vs. technology, but I admit I don't yet have solid data for the more general case :)
May 07 22:08:59 <mdp> "people"
May 07 22:09:12 <mdp> "normal people" only care about products everywhere AFAICT ;)
May 07 22:09:13 <m_billybob> took me like 2 minutes to get USB networkign workign when i gt the bbb lol
May 07 22:09:37 <mdp> CareBear\, perhaps you mean the technology people subculture
May 07 22:09:40 <CareBear\> PRU_EVTOUT_2 : yes, that's my point too - products are limited so easier to deal with, dealing with technology requires more consideration
May 07 22:09:51 <chupacabra> i just got my mini hdmi cable and it is too big.  what size hdmi is this black sporting?
May 07 22:09:59 <_av500_> micro
May 07 22:10:06 <CareBear\> mdp : do you buy a sports drink or gatorade? :)
May 07 22:10:12 <_av500_> but the usb is mini
May 07 22:10:18 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: got a snarky response back from Logi-bone.
May 07 22:10:28 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> I put salt and potassium and food coloring in my tap water and save a fortune.
May 07 22:10:32 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: glad we found that out now, and not later.
May 07 22:10:42 <chupacabra> do you know where i can find these things? Ill bet there is lots of good info there.
May 07 22:10:49 <CareBear\> PRU_EVTOUT_2 : excellent :)
May 07 22:10:51 <mrpackethead> PRU_EVTOUT_2: lol.
May 07 22:10:52 <_av500_> things?
May 07 22:10:58 <chupacabra> not the cable the docs
May 07 22:11:05 <chupacabra> docs
May 07 22:11:08 <_av500_> read the SRM
May 07 22:11:34 <mru> PRU_EVTOUT_2: I hope you don't put metallic potassium in your water
May 07 22:11:48 <mrpackethead> Sodium is much more fun though
May 07 22:11:55 <mrpackethead> K just fizzes
May 07 22:12:00 <chupacabra> SRM?
May 07 22:12:10 <mru> mrpackethead: no, potassium is more violent than sodium
May 07 22:12:16 * m_billybob wonders if there are technicaly documents aside from the AM33xxx datasheet thats lower level than the SRM
May 07 22:12:27 <mdp> there are blogs
May 07 22:12:34 <CareBear\> maybe forums?
May 07 22:12:35 <mru> it gets more 'fun' the further down the leftmost column you go
May 07 22:12:43 <chupacabra> lol
May 07 22:13:05 <mru> there's acid and scanning electron microscopes
May 07 22:13:08 <mrpackethead> mru: yup. you are right. its been a while since we blew up toilets at school.
May 07 22:13:25 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mru: now THERE'S a cape i would love to have. SEM.
May 07 22:14:12 <mrpackethead> lol.
May 07 22:14:18 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> problem with electron microscopes is that you have to sputter the sample in gold or something else highly conductive.
May 07 22:14:28 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> too much work.
May 07 22:14:41 <mru> unless it's conductive to begin with
May 07 22:14:50 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> meh, what's interesting that's conductive?
May 07 22:15:05 <mru> if we're talking about ICs, the metal layers...
May 07 22:15:45 <rbarris> competitor chips
May 07 22:15:46 <levi> m_billybob: Do you have the TI AM33xxx TRM?
May 07 22:15:48 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> meh, a confocal microscope would work fine for that. heck, could even get some nice topology.
May 07 22:16:34 <mru> whatever you want, I wasn't trying to start an argument about the relative merits of microscope technologies
May 07 22:17:51 <m_billybob> levi possibly ive only read the SRM or most of it anyhow ( so far )
May 07 22:18:30 <m_billybob> I downkoaded the documents archive from beaglebone.org so if it cdomes in that then yeah i have it
May 07 22:19:45 <m_billybob> levi btw im folowing the text how to you gave me theother night at this very moment
May 07 22:21:17 <m_billybob> kind of stuck on one point but im downloading the rest of the depends that i need textinfo etc
May 07 22:21:34 <m_billybob> did a mininimal debian netinstall
May 07 22:22:09 <m_billybob> minimal even heh
May 07 22:22:25 <CareBear\> SRM typo page 80: "Do pull the SD card out or you could damage the connector."
May 07 22:22:29 <CareBear\> +not
May 07 22:23:09 <levi> m_billybob: The TRM comes directly from TI.
May 07 22:23:34 <m_billybob> not familiar wit hthat acronym, is that similar to a users guide ?
May 07 22:23:51 <levi> It's the Technical Reference Manual
May 07 22:24:17 * m_billybob looks to see if he has it
May 07 22:24:30 <levi> Everything they are willing to tell you about the register interfaces, clocks, etc. for the chip.
May 07 22:24:54 <m_billybob> think i only got the datasheet
May 07 22:25:11 <levi> http://www.ti.com/product/am3359
May 07 22:25:18 <m_billybob> ty sir.
May 07 22:25:45 <levi> The third link down under "Datasheet" is the TRM.
May 07 22:27:17 <prpplague> jkridner_: ping
May 07 22:27:21 <m_billybob> got it thanks :)
May 07 22:30:25 <m_billybob> wow 4100 + pages lol thats by far the largest technical manual ive seen to date
May 07 22:31:16 <mrpackethead> and its missing the PRU documetnation which is another 1200 pages
May 07 22:31:19 <levi> If you are interested in programming the PRUs, apparently they recently removed the technical details from the TRM because they didn't want to support end-users. But the information is available on the beagleboard github repository.
May 07 22:31:51 <m_billybob> eventually i may be interrested
May 07 22:32:05 <m_billybob> think im going ot have enough to keep me busy for a long long time yet
May 07 22:32:57 <m_billybob> I suspect its goign ot take me atleast a few tries to get my image just right. after that i need to familiarize myself with the linnux way of access gpio etc
May 07 22:33:05 <levi> They don't have anything about programming the WakeM3 core, either, aside from a bit about interfacing with their binary firmware image for it.
May 07 22:35:04 <m_billybob> wasnt eve naware of that until you just mentioned it. yeah its going ot keep me busy for a very long time i guess
May 07 22:35:54 <m_billybob> mainly, for this project my buddy wants me to write software for all i need to know is how to read/write i2c gpio, and possibly SPI and UART
May 07 22:36:55 <m_billybob> then need to tie all that into web access somehow
May 07 22:38:48 <levi> Well, you could use the built-in node.js to serve web pages, and it's already got the bonescript library to access GPIO.
May 07 22:39:21 <m_billybob> levi, would you mind repeating the line you pasted to me the other night. the step just after ----> MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh config beaglebone
May 07 22:39:32 <m_billybob> i either copied it wrong or, hmm something
May 07 22:40:12 <m_billybob> i show -> . ~/.oe/environment-angstrom but debian complains "not a command"
May 07 22:41:02 <thurgood> is it executable?
May 07 22:41:31 <m_billybob> well "." ( dot) in of its self is not a command
May 07 22:41:49 <m_billybob> so im thinking its a typo on my behalf
May 07 22:42:20 <thurgood> heh, I thought that was a typo just now ~,>
May 07 22:42:55 <thurgood> you could source the environment script if you want
May 07 22:42:58 <m_billybob> yeah thats what i have and im a bit rusty with linux so yeah let me check my directory structure
May 07 22:43:45 <levi> . is a shortcut for source
May 07 22:43:46 <m_billybob> ah there is an .oe file ?
May 07 22:43:56 <m_billybob> in my home path
May 07 22:44:24 <levi> The oebb.sh config step creates the .oe directory, I think.
May 07 22:44:30 <thurgood> ~/.oe is a directory set up by oebb.sh config
May 07 22:46:48 <levi> I'm more familiar with the vanilla Yocto environment than the extra scripts Angstrom puts around it.
May 07 22:50:37 <m_billybob> thurgood, duh lmao what you were saying went right over my head, need to chnmod it i guess
May 07 22:56:13 <m_billybob> hmm
May 07 22:56:48 <m_billybob> cloud9-gfx-image.bb  cloud9-gnome-image.bb  cloud9-image.bb  ti-hw-bringup-image.bb
May 07 22:56:57 <m_billybob> out of those 4 the last two are cli only ?
May 07 23:11:59 <SilicaGel1> d
May 07 23:12:10 <mru> c
May 07 23:14:45 <ka6sox> DoNotEat, +1 on the Name...
May 07 23:15:09 <DoNotEat> i forgot to log out at work again :-/
May 07 23:15:24 <DoNotEat> I could kill -9 myself but that seems like an inhumane thing to do to myself
May 07 23:15:25 <ka6sox> ah...
May 07 23:15:38 <ka6sox> true
May 07 23:15:42 <ka6sox> or use znc
May 07 23:15:47 <ka6sox> then it doesn't matter
May 07 23:15:49 <levi> m_billybob: I believe so.
May 07 23:28:04 <Turl> DoNotEat: /msg nickserv ghost silicagel password
May 07 23:28:14 <DoNotEat> What does that do!?!
May 07 23:28:34 <mru> it exorcises the ghost of your afk self
May 07 23:28:35 <DoNotEat> it says I may hot ghost SilicaGel
May 07 23:28:52 <Turl> disconnects your other account ^
May 07 23:28:53 <DoNotEat> wait now it worked
May 07 23:28:58 <DoNotEat> oh!
May 07 23:29:04 <SilicaGel> holy crap, thanks!
May 07 23:29:30 <mru> of course you have to put 'hunter2' instead of 'password'
May 07 23:29:41 <SilicaGel> wait, how do you know my password?
May 07 23:30:08 <mdp> I use the one from my luggage
May 07 23:30:14 <SilicaGel> look, i'm back as the othe rme
May 07 23:30:33 <mdp> ok to eat now
May 07 23:30:42 <Turl> you can /msg nickserv set enforce on
May 07 23:30:47 <Turl> and then ghost again
May 07 23:31:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> damn, nickserv is picky about email addresses for name registration.
May 07 23:31:14 <sh1v> any android hackers in here?
May 07 23:31:23 <Turl> <- sh1v
May 07 23:31:43 <sh1v> what's the best way to get the kernel headers/src for a particular kernel version?
May 07 23:31:48 <sh1v> I am going crazy
May 07 23:32:10 <Turl> get them from wherever you got your kernel from?
May 07 23:32:12 <sh1v> I've tried pulling down the prebuilt repos to find the commit str, but no luck
May 07 23:32:23 <Turl> why do you need them anyway?
May 07 23:33:33 <sh1v> I'm doing a course at uni right now and I need to compile this android rootkit and think about prevention/detection
May 07 23:33:59 <sh1v> havent had the op to do any real security work since I've been in linux hell for days
May 07 23:34:08 <Turl> get the kernel source and build it then do make install_headers whatever
May 07 23:34:20 <mru> well, it could be worse, it could be windows hell
May 07 23:34:22 <mru> or mac hell
May 07 23:34:26 <Turl> dll hell
May 07 23:34:27 <sh1v> heh
May 07 23:35:07 <ka6sox> those are nothing compared to PinMux HELL and DT HELL.
May 07 23:35:47 <Turl> DT ain't hell
May 07 23:36:02 <Turl> platform data is
May 07 23:36:37 <mru> and then there's this: http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/12762935.jpg
May 07 23:39:58 <ka6sox> on Interstate 10 there used to be a town called Hell in the California Desert.
May 07 23:41:11 <AronL> Hello everypeoples
May 07 23:41:52 <AronL> I'm having some issues with my new board, and I was wondering if somebody might be able to give me a hand?
May 07 23:43:09 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> "don't ask to ask" and all that junk.
May 07 23:43:32 <AronL> My bad
May 07 23:43:46 <ka6sox> :)
May 07 23:43:49 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and, you're "hello everypeoples" could be offensive to any robots or other non human entities here!
May 07 23:43:57 <AronL> So the issue is that I just connected to the web server, and none of the sample code will work its mojo
May 07 23:44:06 <AronL> And that makes Aron a sad panda :(
May 07 23:44:15 <_troll_> PRU_EVTOUT_2: quite so
May 07 23:45:05 <chupacabra> Hell is still there.
May 07 23:45:06 <SilicaGel> wow, your nickname is based on PRU events
May 07 23:45:07 <SilicaGel> that's cool
May 07 23:45:10 <SilicaGel> I think we can be friends
May 07 23:45:33 <m_billybob> AronL firefox ? try chrome
May 07 23:45:38 <AronL> Good idea
May 07 23:45:45 <AronL> Doing that now
May 07 23:46:03 <mru> and vice versa
May 07 23:46:57 <AronL> Hooray!
May 07 23:47:14 <AronL> The technomagical wizardry has slain my eDemon!
May 07 23:47:15 <m_billybob> windows 7 ?
May 07 23:47:29 <AronL> MacOS 10.6.8
May 07 23:47:37 <SilicaGel> OK.  m_billybob solved someone's problem in four words and one punctuation mark.  Next person try for 3
May 07 23:47:48 <m_billybob> heh
May 07 23:48:32 <mru> how do acronyms count?
May 07 23:48:42 <xbskid-> So, how widespread is this no-video issue with the BeagleBone Black? I seem to be having that issue. :<
May 07 23:48:43 <AronL> Oh, and PRU, any robots or other non-human entities on the board can bite my squishy fleshy ass.
May 07 23:48:57 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> :O
May 07 23:49:11 <AronL> :O indeed!
May 07 23:49:32 * _troll_ bites AronL's squishy fleshy ass
May 07 23:49:41 <AronL> Ouch!
May 07 23:49:52 <AronL> My boat take!
May 07 23:52:35 <m_billybob> grr i f'd somethign up time to start over
May 07 23:53:05 <ka6sox> PRU_EVTOUT_2, you are 3v1L
May 07 23:53:05 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: back to the womb?
May 07 23:53:10 <AronL> That was more than four words
May 07 23:53:12 <AronL> You losse
May 07 23:53:14 <AronL> *lose
May 07 23:53:46 <ka6sox> I had to turn off my irssi highlighting as I was monitoring for the word PRU
May 07 23:53:47 <ka6sox> :P
May 07 23:53:53 <Shadyman> haha
May 07 23:53:56 <SilicaGel> ka6sox++
May 07 23:53:57 <Shadyman> ka6sox: PRU PRU?
May 07 23:54:08 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ka6sox: ahh, you care about me!
May 07 23:54:09 <AronL> PRU PRU PRU PRU PRU PRU PRU PRU
May 07 23:54:19 <ka6sox> AronL, it is off
May 07 23:54:29 <AronL> Aww, I spammed for nothing :(
May 07 23:54:35 <ka6sox> been off since the 1st day he showed up
May 07 23:54:41 <ka6sox> (or she)
May 07 23:54:42 <AronL> Pointless spam is the worst kind of spam
May 07 23:54:52 <SilicaGel> ka6sox: we could just shut off his master clock
May 07 23:54:59 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2|AWA back to something . . .
May 07 23:55:25 <ka6sox> he doesn't have interrupts..he has "events"
May 07 23:56:50 <AronL> LOLOLOL
May 07 23:57:03 <SilicaGel> that was me
May 07 23:57:05 <SilicaGel> i held him in reset
May 07 23:57:40 <ka6sox> I'd say you held him too long...
May 08 00:06:04 <xbskid> So, I just got a BeagleBone Black today, and I'm not getting any video on the HDMI port. I've got a MicroHDMI->HDMI cable going into a known-good HDMI<->DVI adapter, going into an ASUS monitor. When it boots, the keyboard Numlock responds, the mouse powers up. The display comes on, but tells me there's no signal, sleeps, comes back on, same message, but then stays on with no image.
May 08 00:06:59 <xbskid> I googled for it, and the only relevant thing I found was a Google Groups thread suggesting that I RMA it.
May 08 00:07:49 <xbskid> Does anyone else know anything about this issue? Should I go ahead and RMA it? :<
May 08 00:08:09 <m_billybob> i knowtheres more than one post on the group list than just one
May 08 00:08:17 <m_billybob> several actually
May 08 00:10:47 <m_billybob> but i was under the impression that the HDMI wasnt working well or at all with the current version of angstrom, but dont take my word on it
May 08 00:11:31 <xbskid> I think that was HDMI audio.
May 08 00:12:29 <xbskid> If it didn't support HDMI-out, then it seems a bit silly that the bundled 'Get Started' card tells you to use it.
May 08 00:12:46 <m_billybob> did you plug in the monito after ssh'd in and check dmesg ?
May 08 00:13:17 <xbskid> I didn't check dmesg, no. I'll check it in a bit.
May 08 00:22:18 <billybob1> well wasnt that special
May 08 00:27:17 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i think something is wrong with me. sometimes, i look forward to writing c.
May 08 00:27:33 <m_billybob> do you like C ? nothing wrong with thta if so
May 08 00:27:54 <m_billybob> personally i prefer C++, but thats me :)
May 08 00:28:09 <m_billybob> 90% of its C either way
May 08 00:28:15 <xbskid> I have a crappier preference; PHP
May 08 00:28:16 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> unless boost
May 08 00:28:27 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> then it's 90% iterators.
May 08 00:28:29 <xbskid> I might take up Rust at some point.
May 08 00:29:08 <m_billybob> PRU, just stdlib stuff, using templates, but thats been on a size constrained device
May 08 00:29:22 <ka6sox> m_billybob, STOP THAT
May 08 00:29:31 <m_billybob> 512 byte ram 16k flash :)
May 08 00:29:47 <m_billybob> what'd i do now ?
May 08 00:30:15 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> anything you want, the world is yours with the power and size of the BEAGLEBONE!
May 08 00:30:21 <ka6sox> I finally got the filter setup right for PRU not PRU_ and you start abreviating... :P
May 08 00:30:59 <m_billybob> heh nick highlighting ?
May 08 00:31:05 * m_billybob doesnt use it
May 08 00:31:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so i was going to make a usb interface for controlling my software on the beaglebone
May 08 00:31:36 <m_billybob> yeah ? as in FTDI ?
May 08 00:31:37 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but then i realized that the ethernet is about 1/3 the latency of stupid usb for windows.
May 08 00:32:00 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so now, everything is rpc over ethernet...which is cool, because now i can control my board from anywhere in the building.
May 08 00:32:14 <m_billybob> super easy to write C# USB<-> COM code though
May 08 00:32:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> rpc stuff is super easy too, just rpcgen it.
May 08 00:32:48 <m_billybob> never used it never used .NET COM object either but did a little reading. looks really easy
May 08 00:32:59 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so, now i have gpio, i2c, and some other busses over rpc.
May 08 00:33:07 <m_billybob> err COM port object i should say thats confusing
May 08 00:33:19 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> swigged that to pyhton.
May 08 00:33:22 <m_billybob> nice
May 08 00:33:32 <cmicali_> what about PRU
May 08 00:33:40 <m_billybob> im still struggeling to get openembedded / bitbake working
May 08 00:33:41 <cmicali_> sorry ka6sox could not resist
May 08 00:33:52 <m_billybob> i had this same problem last time i toyed with it years ago
May 08 00:34:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so, now i can access any buss with 300us latency per transaction, with transactions containing one or many actual writes.
May 08 00:34:27 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> from anywhere in the building! WOOT!
May 08 00:36:09 <m_billybob> remote embedded stuff can be fun :)
May 08 00:36:13 * ka6sox shoots Comical Ali :P
May 08 00:36:30 * cmicali dies
May 08 00:36:31 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: especially when everyone here is used to being tethered to a board, or using vnc to access a remote board.
May 08 00:37:21 <m_billybob> nordic makes some wireless<->uart devices i want to get one of those going someday
May 08 00:37:39 <m_billybob> exactly for that same reason
May 08 00:37:48 <m_billybob> so im not tethered wired to my PC
May 08 00:40:41 <m_billybob> heh hosed my vm install, tried rdping into the box, and apparently debian on virtualbox didnt like that
May 08 00:40:51 <m_billybob> stalled the install
May 08 00:41:48 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> wasn't someone here doing vibration table analysis?
May 08 00:46:24 <m_billybob> Dont know
May 08 00:46:41 <m_billybob> Anyone used cygwin to bitbake an angstrom image ?
May 08 00:46:53 <wasabi__> hello everyone
May 08 00:47:14 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hey wasabi__, I think you're hot. ;-)
May 08 00:47:15 <m_billybob> hi
May 08 00:47:15 <ds2> Hmmm
May 08 00:47:16 <wasabi__> has anyone figured out how to get ubuntu 13.04 installed on the BBB internal storage
May 08 00:47:40 <wasabi__> hello PRU_EVTOUT_2 :) thanks?
May 08 00:47:46 <m_billybob> seen a few post sugesting such wasabi__ havent read much on it though
May 08 00:47:59 <wasabi__> I have ubuntu installed on sd card
May 08 00:48:07 <m_billybob> well i think it was more like 12.04
May 08 00:48:08 <wasabi__> is there a way to boot automatically from this device?
May 08 00:48:17 <m_billybob> yes
May 08 00:48:44 <m_billybob> has to do with some text file i dotn recall off hand uEnv.txt or some such file
May 08 00:48:51 <xterm91> You mean prefer boot SD without S3?
May 08 00:49:18 <wasabi__> what is s3? sorry xterm91 don't know all the terminology yet :p
May 08 00:49:18 <xbskid> Okay; board back up. Let's try SSHing into it.
May 08 00:49:23 <xterm91> err S2*
May 08 00:49:36 <m_billybob> wasabi__ switch, aka button
May 08 00:49:51 <xterm91> S2 is the button over by the SD card
May 08 00:49:57 <wasabi__> I would prefer ideally to get ubuntu installed on internal storage, but if not then automatically boot to SD without "boot" switch
May 08 00:50:22 <wasabi__> "boot" switch i.e. s2
May 08 00:50:31 <xterm91> thanks wasabi__
May 08 00:51:02 <wasabi__> m_billybob uEnv.txt on the existing internal storage angstrom distro?
May 08 00:51:37 <m_billybob> sdcard, if it doesnt exist or contain the rigth variables, the system will seemingly hang
May 08 00:51:51 <m_billybob> even if you're meant to boot fro mmmc
May 08 00:51:57 <m_billybob> mmc*
May 08 00:52:06 <xterm91> Do we have any guides on errors indicated from the number of led's when the system hangs?
May 08 00:52:28 <m_billybob> in otherwords if an sd card is inseted at boot, it will hang without the file or correct parameers in that same file
May 08 00:52:43 <m_billybob> xterm91inserted*
May 08 00:52:45 <wasabi__> so it will automatically boot from SD card?
May 08 00:52:52 <m_billybob> err gah lol "inserted"
May 08 00:52:56 <m_billybob> it will try
May 08 00:53:05 <wasabi__> cause that's not the behavior i'm observing
May 08 00:53:17 <wasabi__> it seems to boot from the internal storage unless I hold down the s2 switch
May 08 00:53:21 <m_billybob> you have uEnv.txt on the sd card ?
May 08 00:53:39 <wasabi__> well I would have to check
May 08 00:54:01 <wasabi__> it is bootable via the installation guide http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
May 08 00:54:07 <wasabi__> not sure about that specific file
May 08 00:54:20 <m_billybob> now for the parameters, im unsure, i just read this one day from a post by someone i know on another forum
May 08 00:54:44 <wasabi__> so it does some boot process logic to determine the order via that file?
May 08 00:55:01 <m_billybob> Spirilis, yo you about ?
May 08 00:55:08 <m_billybob> hes the one who posted the link
May 08 00:55:14 <m_billybob> err information
May 08 00:55:22 <xbskid> Is there a way to tail dmesg?
May 08 00:56:36 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> dmesg | tail
May 08 00:56:39 <xterm91> Anyone able to have uboot log what would have gone over serial to the SDcard?
May 08 00:56:56 <wasabi__> lost my chat bar
May 08 00:57:15 <wasabi__> i'll brb soon
May 08 00:57:20 <m_billybob> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone?focusedCommentId=9666585#BeagleBone-uEnv.txtbasedbootscript
May 08 00:57:37 <xbskid> PRU_EVTOUT_2: Sorry; I meant follow.
May 08 00:57:44 <xbskid> Like tail -f
May 08 00:58:11 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you can have kernel messages go to the serial console
May 08 00:58:16 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> klogd -c <message level>
May 08 00:58:41 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but you need a serial cable attached for that.
May 08 00:59:36 <xbskid> Got any tricks for doing that in an ssh session?
May 08 00:59:55 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> sure, watch -n 1 "dmesg | tail"
May 08 01:00:05 <xbskid> Derp; forgot about watch
May 08 01:00:07 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hehe
May 08 01:00:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> 1 is time in seconds between updates, of course. fractions of a second are ok.
May 08 01:00:42 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> watch -n 0.0000000001 "dmesg | tail" is probably what you need.
May 08 01:01:21 <xbskid> Nope.
May 08 01:01:34 <xbskid> Nothing happens in dmesg when I disconnect and reconnect the HDMI cable.
May 08 01:02:04 <xbskid> Though I can disconnect and reconnect my phone and stuff pops up.
May 08 01:05:08 <xbskid> Ahaha; just did an ntpdate: offset 421289586.359489 sec
May 08 01:05:31 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> pffffft...close enough.
May 08 01:05:44 <SilicaGel> Hey, who re-enabled you!
May 08 01:06:05 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it wasn't uio! i'll tell you that much.
May 08 01:06:06 <xterm91> Anyone else playing around with trying to get android running?
May 08 01:06:29 <xbskid> xterm91: I'm still trying to get the bundled Angstrom to give me video out.
May 08 01:06:46 <m_billybob> xbskid, got a LCD tv ?
May 08 01:06:55 <xbskid> Yeah; I'll try it in a bit.
May 08 01:07:20 <m_billybob> think i foudn the same post you mentioned. same problem gerald suggest RMA to that one person
May 08 01:07:49 <m_billybob> he mentions something about "flimsy" micro cables or somethign like that
May 08 01:08:44 * PRU_EVTOUT_2 is thinking "that's what she said"
May 08 01:08:55 <m_billybob> heh no doubt
May 08 01:09:37 <m_billybob> another post he says -> Maximum resolution is 1280x1024
May 08 01:10:17 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> what limits the resolution?
May 08 01:10:22 <xbskid> My monitor will do that res.
May 08 01:10:25 <m_billybob> so if your monitor wont do 4:3 or 720p . . .
May 08 01:11:19 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2 ive read or heard its the OS but also heard the hardware can do 2048x2048
May 08 01:11:26 <m_billybob> so yeah thats what i heard
May 08 01:12:51 <m_billybob> the SRM also states 1280x1024 as the max
May 08 01:15:08 <xbskid> Well, my monitor will definitely do 1280x1024.
May 08 01:15:23 <xbskid> I got video on my TV :>
May 08 01:15:46 <xbskid> I can't imagine that it's my HDMI<->DVI adapter.
May 08 01:15:49 <m_billybob> not very familiar with how linux does monitors but if like widnows perhaps its as "simple" as needing a monitor driver ?
May 08 01:16:32 <xterm91> I set my TV to show native picture, and everything worked fine, but it's just a normal micro-hdmi cable
May 08 01:16:43 <m_billybob> xbskid possibly but i dont rteally know hdmi all that well
May 08 01:16:55 <m_billybob> @ adapter
May 08 01:17:29 <xbskid> The adapter works with my RasPi and PS3 with this monitor.
May 08 01:17:47 <m_billybob> ive got an hdmi capable monitor here but never had a cable for it
May 08 01:18:18 <xbskid> It's probably somehow misreading the EDID or something, and at some point it just gives up and pretends that it's not connected.
May 08 01:18:37 <xbskid> Which would explain why I get nothing in dmesg about connecting or disconnecting my monitor.
May 08 01:22:05 <m_billybob> in that case not sure what  getting an HD tv working on it, other than it'll work on the tv and not the monitor
May 08 01:22:22 <m_billybob> what gettign an hdtv working on it would prove*
May 08 01:22:30 <xbskid> Oh well; I don't have anything else that will do DVI; I'll have to bring it in to work tomorrow and test it on one of my Dell monitors.
May 08 01:23:05 <SlightlyPeeved> Hello all! How does one keep the beaglebone black from booting from the SD card?
May 08 01:23:06 <xbskid> Getting it to work on a TV means that my HDMI cable is good, and that my BBB's video hardware isn't busted.
May 08 01:23:25 <xbskid> SlightlyPeeved: Don't you have to hold down the boot button to boot from SD?
May 08 01:23:50 <m_billybob> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone?focusedCommentId=9666585#BeagleBone-uEnv.txtbasedbootscript
May 08 01:24:13 <SlightlyPeeved> Thats what I thought, but when I boot it, then insert the card, then call reboot, it boots from the SD card.
May 08 01:24:14 <m_billybob> think it mentions in that link how to make it "ignore" teh sd card as a boot option
May 08 01:25:10 <SlightlyPeeved> m_billybob: why didn't I think of that. I'll try that!
May 08 01:25:17 <xbskid> Oh; I think I read something about modifying a config file in the ~64MB boot partition you get when you connect the BB[B] as a USB guest.
May 08 01:25:20 <SlightlyPeeved> Thanks
May 08 01:25:31 <m_billybob> np let us know if it works
May 08 01:26:19 <xterm91> SlightlyPeeved: I think something like: mmcdev=0 would work
May 08 01:48:25 <mranostay> hi
May 08 01:48:41 <ka6sox> hi mranostay
May 08 01:50:03 <xterm91> I got 4 LED's to light up on my Android installation but it seems hung
May 08 01:54:47 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> my favorite part about python is that when you comment out a block of code, you get unexpected indent errors
May 08 01:55:04 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> caues, you know, comment indentation is crucially important.
May 08 01:55:11 <mru> it's insane
May 08 02:02:37 <xterm91> I really like the error of.... 4 lit led's... and no serial cable
May 08 02:19:59 <wasabi__> hello everyone.  I was in here earlier asking about a way to load the sd card image by default on BBB
May 08 02:21:19 * PRU_EVTOUT_2 still thinks your hot.
May 08 02:22:00 <wasabi__> how do you know :)'
May 08 02:24:15 <grumpie> hi all ..l
May 08 02:25:20 <wasabi__> any suggestions for automatically enabling boot off sd card instead of internal storage on BBB
May 08 02:26:01 <grumpie> wasabi ... I havent tried this but I saw a not ethat said that if you delete all the files off the internal storage and the sdcard is bootable, it will boot of the sdcard
May 08 02:26:48 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> wasabi__: just change the sysboot pins! LOL!
May 08 02:27:45 <wasabi__> that's a good idea.  Basically make it unbootable without sd
May 08 02:28:16 <grumpie> thats what I saw on one of the message boards, but I haven't tried it
May 08 02:28:34 <grumpie> btw ... does anyone know if there is a limit to the size of the SDCard it will recognize?
May 08 02:29:01 <detheridge> xbskid - for the HDMI issue you are seeing can you send pastebin of dmesg with drm.debug=7 on the kernel parameters?
May 08 02:29:09 <grumpie> i tried a 32G card, with no luck (with fdisk -l). Worse, it hung on boot.
May 08 02:29:41 <grumpie> i see some people have something working with a 16G card while others say that 8G is the max
May 08 02:30:13 <wasabi__> grumpie not sure
May 08 02:30:15 <wasabi__> i'm using a 4
May 08 02:30:32 <grumpie> i couldnt find anything in the manual or via a quick googlw
May 08 02:34:14 <grumpie> oh well, off to fry's to replace my sdcards then. thanks all!
May 08 02:37:03 <WhereSD> Hello all. How do I mount an SD card that I've plugged in after I've booted the beaglebone Black?
May 08 02:51:49 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> WhereSD: from the few times that was asked today, i think you need to have it inserted during boot, and it's a known issue.
May 08 02:52:46 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> right everybonies?
May 08 02:53:20 <prpplague> ho ho hum
May 08 02:54:35 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> did you see what i did there prpplague? did you?
May 08 02:55:10 <prpplague> sorry i missed it
May 08 02:55:15 <WhereSD> Dude, the problem is that card keeps flashing my bone
May 08 02:55:28 <WhereSD> Everybody has seen me flashing my bone by now
May 08 02:55:56 * PRU_EVTOUT_2 is disgusted.
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