**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 09 02:59:58 2013
May 09 03:00:54 <Digital_Warrior> woot flash complete
May 09 03:17:03 <Digital_Warrior> cd sys/devices
May 09 03:17:08 <Digital_Warrior> shit wrong window
May 09 03:19:10 <MrCurious> anyone have any feel for how a BBB compares to a raspberry pi, cubieboard, or pandaboard for speed?  is it omap4?
May 09 03:25:02 * prpplague slaps MrCurious 
May 09 03:25:17 <Digital_Warrior> MrCurious: It is more powerfull than the Pi for computing but not for H.264
May 09 03:25:44 <MrCurious> :)
May 09 03:26:03 * MrCurious is getting tempted to order one
May 09 03:27:05 <MrCurious> hows life treating you prpplague?
May 09 03:27:51 <Digital_Warrior> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6LD2B_kDQ&list=PL5DF6078ABC09FBCD&index=1
May 09 03:27:51 <prpplague> MrCurious: like a bitter ex-wife that is demand her alimony
May 09 03:28:11 <Digital_Warrior> nice pplague
May 09 03:28:38 <MrCurious> wow.  did she at least put out when the times were good?
May 09 03:29:06 <prpplague> MrCurious: hehe
May 09 03:29:10 <prpplague> MrCurious: http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/25/beaglebone-black-vs-raspberry-pi-features-and-price-comparison/
May 09 03:29:20 <MrCurious> thats the ticket!
May 09 03:29:44 <MrCurious> guessing the BBB overclocks too?
May 09 03:30:33 <prpplague> MrCurious: you could but why?
May 09 03:30:35 <MrCurious> on nice! 1 - 2W consumption
May 09 03:31:04 <MrCurious> just noticing the comparison said seppd of 1 vs speed of 2 (with overclock)
May 09 03:31:13 <MrCurious> symmetry called out to me
May 09 03:32:45 <MrCurious> if that emmc works anything at all like the emmc on the odroid, it will be the single biggest perk of the board...
May 09 03:33:29 <m_billybob> 2G not 32G
May 09 03:33:55 <MrCurious> 2g is enough for the os
May 09 03:34:03 <m_billybob> yeap
May 09 03:34:06 <m_billybob> more than enough
May 09 03:34:18 <MrCurious> yeap
May 09 03:34:32 <m_billybob> how you doing MrCurious ?
May 09 03:34:59 <MrCurious> aside from backpain from moving a huge dresser, good
May 09 03:35:17 <m_billybob> same here different reason
May 09 03:36:00 <m_billybob> needless to say the rest of our solar array is going up in the next few days
May 09 03:36:08 <MrCurious> pulled the vid cam out of my imac and wired it to a usb connector today. now i have 3 tiny cams for robots
May 09 03:36:20 <MrCurious> oh sweet! any new pics?
May 09 03:36:35 <m_billybob> not yet, maybe when done
May 09 03:36:48 <m_billybob> we're going ot need 3-4 more charge controllers too  .  ..
May 09 03:37:01 <m_billybob> when all ssaid and done we should be at ~ 6kW though
May 09 03:37:19 <MrCurious> be careful... that sounds well past lethal.
May 09 03:37:33 <ds2> what voltage does that array run at?
May 09 03:37:33 <m_billybob> not going ot be putting the leads in my mouth ;)
May 09 03:37:43 <m_billybob> 12v nominal for now ds2
May 09 03:37:57 <m_billybob> we've been balking at 24v now for 3 years
May 09 03:37:57 <ds2> whoa
May 09 03:38:07 <MrCurious> 12v will happily kill you
May 09 03:38:15 <ds2> you run 6kW @ 12V through what kind of wires? 2ft x 2ft gold bus bars?
May 09 03:38:20 <rbarris> "It's Not The Volts That Get Ya"
May 09 03:38:32 <m_billybob> lol now the array are seperated
May 09 03:38:39 <m_billybob> now == no*
May 09 03:38:47 <MrCurious> if i had 6kw handy, i know i would be working on a jacobs ladder
May 09 03:38:49 <m_billybob> several banks
May 09 03:38:56 <m_billybob> using 6GA and 8GA wire
May 09 03:39:06 <ds2> 6G is enough to avoid serious losses?
May 09 03:39:18 <m_billybob> yes
May 09 03:39:20 <ds2> how many watts is each bank?
May 09 03:39:45 <ds2> think the folks that run winches on vehicle use 0G or even 00G for power
May 09 03:39:54 <m_billybob> they're mixed, first 3 were capable of outputing aroudn 1500W during "high sun" winter
May 09 03:40:06 <m_billybob> summer you get loses from heat so maybe 1200W
May 09 03:40:34 <m_billybob> these new panels ~ 200W each 24 of them
May 09 03:41:11 <MrCurious> life is not long enough to complete all the projects that a man will dream of
May 09 03:41:23 <m_billybob> the existing array was largely made up of 25 year old arco panels
May 09 03:41:37 <m_billybob> no way MrCurious not even close :(
May 09 03:41:45 <MrCurious> m_billybob: you do any experiments with making your own abtteries?
May 09 03:42:03 <m_billybob> did some reading, not sure its worth it
May 09 03:42:08 <m_billybob> a lot of hassle
May 09 03:42:36 <MrCurious> use lithium batteries, that will give your house a optional self destruct feature for no extra money!
May 09 03:43:09 <m_billybob> you need led,  which in those quanties could be expensive, and then you would have to fabrcate your own enclosures, you can get lead acid edison batteries from china for possibly a more reasonable price
May 09 03:43:43 <MrCurious> how about using clay pots or glass jars?
May 09 03:43:57 <m_billybob> but the 2100aH bank we have now isnt too bad 2v cells
May 09 03:44:14 <m_billybob> no way
May 09 03:44:42 <MrCurious> if a ELE leavel meteor ever gets predicted, promise me you will short that and put it on youtube before the meteor hits...
May 09 03:44:53 <m_billybob> spending that kind of money id want to do it right, and i know dahm well wulf wouldnt put up withthat either lol
May 09 03:45:49 <Digital_Warrior> I am going in for the kill. I am doing it for the thrill
May 09 03:46:38 <m_billybob> MrCurious did you get a bbb yet or are yo ustill contemplating ?
May 09 03:48:06 <ds2> m_billybob: how long do those cells last?
May 09 03:48:27 <m_billybob> ds2 they're RE grade batteries warrantied for 10 years
May 09 03:48:37 <m_billybob> let me see if i can pull up a link
May 09 03:49:25 <m_billybob> http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/pv-solar/s-1380.html
May 09 03:49:55 <Digital_Warrior> fing distutils.core
May 09 03:50:06 <m_billybob> might not be the exact model i forget which we got but thats close. same specsand all
May 09 03:51:00 <MrCurious> m_billybob: waiting to see how something plays out, will order one if it doesnt play out how i think
May 09 03:51:07 <m_billybob> lol that etailer has a terrible warranty
May 09 03:51:09 <ds2> m_billybob: that is on paper...how long do they last in practice?
May 09 03:51:12 <MrCurious> because BBB screams robot
May 09 03:52:04 <m_billybob> ds2 these are 2 years old and goign strong. e expect them to last 10 years, but its all in the way you maintain them. if treated proerly could last a lot longer too
May 09 03:52:09 <MrCurious> i would be curious to see how well it can suck video off of usb cams, and how many cams before it cant sustain them at 320x240x30
May 09 03:52:33 <m_billybob> MrCurious so thats a yes if what you're watching doesnt pan out eh ?
May 09 03:52:39 <ds2> yes and your charge controller is also a factor
May 09 03:52:59 <m_billybob> standard xantrex C60's
May 09 03:53:09 <m_billybob> PWM type
May 09 03:53:15 <MrCurious> yes. i will have one within a month i think
May 09 03:53:35 <MrCurious> thats right BBB has a 1S lipo charge controler in it doesnt it
May 09 03:53:51 <m_billybob> ds2 they're not the greatest though, i want to eventually design my own someday
May 09 03:54:06 <ds2> I see
May 09 03:54:08 <MrCurious> wonder how long until someone will hack the upcoming raspberrypi cam module to work with BBB
May 09 03:54:27 <m_billybob> MrCurious havent looked that deep into it yet
May 09 03:54:56 <Digital_Warrior> does any one know what i did with my box of leds
May 09 03:54:59 <MrCurious> shapr did and reported back to me
May 09 03:55:21 <m_billybob> ds2 made a 40A charge controller around 2-3 years ago using a rabbit semi micro, PWM is easy though what I really want to make a full blown MPPT controler
May 09 03:55:28 <MrCurious> which could make it an excellent candidate for a smart solar web cam
May 09 03:56:12 <MrCurious> or a solar powered autonomious explorer bot
May 09 03:56:13 <m_billybob> well i should say wulf designed the electronics, pcb etc and I wrote the software.
May 09 03:56:26 <m_billybob> hmm ?
May 09 03:56:30 * m_billybob reads up
May 09 03:56:47 <Digital_Warrior> I think I am ready again to test python Gpio control
May 09 03:57:40 <m_billybob> MrCurious only thing ive read so far for cam specs so far on the groups is like 15FPS sounds like what you were talkign about a month ago concerning the odriod perhaps
May 09 03:58:02 <MrCurious> for the pi cam?
May 09 03:58:04 <m_billybob> e.g. drivers
May 09 03:58:10 <m_billybob> no on the bbb
May 09 03:58:25 <m_billybob> may have been the bbw but thinking it was the bbb
May 09 03:59:01 <ds2> if you want a camera, just get the BBX
May 09 03:59:05 <MrCurious> a month ago, i wasprobably on about odroid+ kinect doing simplecv for raeding the cam + depth map
May 09 03:59:11 <ds2> use the appropriate part for what you are doing
May 09 03:59:40 <m_billybob> beagleboard xm ?
May 09 03:59:45 <MrCurious> i thought the phrase was ... "when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail"
May 09 04:00:00 <m_billybob> MrCurious you mean they arent ?
May 09 04:00:06 <ds2> yes
May 09 04:00:18 <ds2> it has the hardware supported camera signals exposed
May 09 04:00:21 <MrCurious> m_billybob: you lost me
May 09 04:00:38 <m_billybob> isnt everythign a nail when you have a hammer ?
May 09 04:00:53 <MrCurious> totally!
May 09 04:00:54 <ds2> then get a better tool
May 09 04:01:00 <ds2> or you still a caveman?
May 09 04:01:12 <m_billybob> *beagelbone flash fails* *grabs hammer and drives it home*
May 09 04:01:47 <MrCurious> you are totally flashing me to this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56eAUCTLok
May 09 04:02:05 <m_billybob> ds2 personally, i have no personal interrest in cams on an embedded system so hell if i know
May 09 04:02:06 <Digital_Warrior> where is pin 1 on the p8 header
May 09 04:02:17 <Digital_Warrior> nver mind
May 09 04:02:29 <ds2> okay
May 09 04:03:18 <m_billybob> id like to buy an adroid too for a desktop replacement but dont want to spend the ~$400 usd to get there ;) for that price id just buy an x86-64 laptop :)
May 09 04:03:22 <m_billybob> odroid*
May 09 04:04:04 <MrCurious> m_billybob: chromebook c7 $200 and you can have linux on it within an hour of cracking the box without having to make install media
May 09 04:04:12 <MrCurious> total desktop replacement
May 09 04:04:33 <m_billybob> my laptops work pretty good and i dont have to put up with slow performance :)
May 09 04:04:37 <MrCurious> 1.1ghz dual core celeron + lcd with vga, hdmi.  3 usb ports, battery backup, ethernet, wifi
May 09 04:04:53 <MrCurious> thought you wanted ... cheap
May 09 04:05:09 <m_billybob> paid $400 for both before self induced upgrades.
May 09 04:05:17 <m_billybob> for both -> each
May 09 04:05:20 <ds2> but will it charge from a microUSB cable?
May 09 04:05:28 <ds2> and run for 12hours per charge?
May 09 04:05:38 <m_billybob> it'll play crysis !
May 09 04:05:39 <MrCurious> chromebook. no, 4 hours, custom charger
May 09 04:05:41 <m_billybob> heh
May 09 04:05:47 <ds2> blah
May 09 04:05:52 <MrCurious> and it wont do windows, so linux only
May 09 04:06:03 <m_billybob> yeah ive never played crysis in my life. was a joke.
May 09 04:06:04 <ds2> who cares about dead OS's
May 09 04:09:05 <MrCurious> anthropologists?
May 09 04:10:20 <Digital_Warrior> oh wow. just pluged in my HD webam while wating for a compile and I must say the resolution is nice very nice
May 09 04:10:39 <m_billybob> which one ?
May 09 04:10:53 <MrCurious> 1080p? or 4k?
May 09 04:11:13 <Digital_Warrior> well the webcam will do 1080p
May 09 04:11:40 <MrCurious> how many FPS at that res
May 09 04:11:46 <Digital_Warrior> it is the logotech c920
May 09 04:12:13 <Digital_Warrior> not the best for fps
May 09 04:13:05 <ds2> logotech? like nokla?
May 09 04:13:06 <slug> Digital_Warrior: i have one of those, it's very nice camera
May 09 04:13:36 <MrCurious> saw a vid today on microsoft ICE.  they harvested pictures of the Sistine chapel off of flikr and were able to make a sweet 3d model with very nice close in res with all the photo's stitched together.  proof of living in amazing times
May 09 04:14:16 <slug> Digital_Warrior: the cool thing is that it has h264 hw builtin, so it doesn't use the CPU for 1080p.
May 09 04:14:35 <slug> http://www.oz9aec.net/index.php/beaglebone/476-turning-the-beaglebone-into-a-high-definition-ip-camera
May 09 04:14:37 <m_billybob> kind of pricy
May 09 04:14:38 <Digital_Warrior> well it will not stop recording. Was going to show you all a quick fill but dam.
May 09 04:14:50 <m_billybob> granted i know next to nothing about hd cams
May 09 04:15:07 <MrCurious> slug: ty for a good read :)
May 09 04:15:31 <Digital_Warrior> well that was a failure.
May 09 04:15:39 <Digital_Warrior> fing cheese will not stop
May 09 04:17:05 <Digital_Warrior> I wish I had synaptic
May 09 04:17:18 <slug> m_billybob: it's pricey , but it's a very nice camera. i was used to 640x480 webcams with crappy sensors, when I got the C920 it was amazing the quality difference.
May 09 04:17:53 <Digital_Warrior> I use the C920 for doing live brocasts of our union meetings while recording to youtube.
May 09 04:18:00 <Digital_Warrior> works great.
May 09 04:19:16 <m_billybob> slug im still stuck at 640x480 with my 6 year old PaS camera lol
May 09 04:19:34 <m_billybob> its a good camera for its time
May 09 04:19:35 <Digital_Warrior> ok so the SOC is getting hot. I can only hold my finger on it for a sec
May 09 04:20:14 <MrCurious> of all the web cams i have tried, the ps3 eye cam has given the best pic quality and frame rate
May 09 04:20:29 <MrCurious> and its sensor is good with high motion or vibrating env's
May 09 04:20:54 <m_billybob> slug would be interrresting to see how well it would handle multiples of that same cam
May 09 04:21:10 <m_billybob> mini IP security cam system ;)
May 09 04:21:35 <Digital_Warrior> you can pick up ip cams for 50 so it would be a waste of money
May 09 04:21:56 <m_billybob> they're that cheap now eh
May 09 04:22:17 <Digital_Warrior> ok so i could not kill cheese had to reboot. now graphics are all messed up.
May 09 04:22:28 <Digital_Warrior> If you order them from china they are
May 09 04:23:06 <MrCurious> ubuntu 13.04 now running on my chromebook!
May 09 04:23:30 <Digital_Warrior> MrCurious: you can take your gnome 3 and shove it where the sun does not shine
May 09 04:23:40 <m_billybob> heh
May 09 04:24:02 <m_billybob> someone doesnt like ubuntu ;)
May 09 04:24:15 <Digital_Warrior> I do not like Gnome 3.
May 09 04:24:17 <MrCurious> now now. the chromebook is a adequate laptop, and at $200 if it grows legs or decides to go diving, i will be way less sad than if my work top of line 3 month old laptop did the same
May 09 04:24:23 <Digital_Warrior> I have since switched over to KDE
May 09 04:24:25 <rbarris> the sun does not shine inside the computer, which is where he put it
May 09 04:25:17 <m_billybob> latest thing ive tried was LMDE with cinnamon
May 09 04:25:38 <m_billybob> kind of like that but i like a flashy desktop
May 09 04:25:47 <MrCurious> time for the acid ubuntu test. can i close and open the lid without it going into message spam death
May 09 04:25:57 <mranostay> howdy from nowhere OR..
May 09 04:26:26 <MrCurious> wow, your a real nowhere man...
May 09 04:26:27 <Digital_Warrior> and Python gpio test is a failure again.
May 09 04:26:37 <m_billybob> :(
May 09 04:26:50 <ds2> how is nowhere, OR?
May 09 04:27:16 <Digital_Warrior> Well this is where I am at
May 09 04:27:22 <Digital_Warrior> File "blink.py", line 7, in <module>
May 09 04:27:22 <Digital_Warrior>     from bbio import *
May 09 04:27:22 <Digital_Warrior>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/bbio/__init__.py", line 4, in <module>
May 09 04:27:22 <Digital_Warrior>     from bbio import *
May 09 04:27:22 <Digital_Warrior>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/bbio/bbio.py", line 45, in <module>
May 09 04:27:22 <Digital_Warrior>     from config import *
May 09 04:27:22 <Digital_Warrior>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/bbio/config.py", line 416, in <module>
May 09 04:27:23 <Digital_Warrior>     for i in PWM_PINS.keys())
May 09 04:27:23 <Digital_Warrior>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/bbio/config.py", line 416, in <genexpr>
May 09 04:27:24 <Digital_Warrior>     for i in PWM_PINS.keys())
May 09 04:27:25 <Digital_Warrior> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/sys/class/pwm/ehrpwm.1:1/request'
May 09 04:27:36 <slug> Digital_Warrior: there's a msg on the mailing list about that
May 09 04:27:37 <mranostay> holy spamming batman
May 09 04:27:51 <m_billybob> pastebin next time please :)
May 09 04:28:26 <Digital_Warrior> That is not spam I have seen some one post 200 lines it was funny as hell. He did it in batches of 25
May 09 04:28:29 <slug> Digital_Warrior: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/qr5MkjDd4kA
May 09 04:28:48 <slug> Digital_Warrior: seems to be the same issue
May 09 04:29:21 <Digital_Warrior> it does
May 09 04:29:48 <Digital_Warrior> lets see if it is just looking for the dir and not any file.
May 09 04:31:14 <Digital_Warrior> Now this one is funny
May 09 04:32:09 <Digital_Warrior> bin/mkdir: /bin/mkdir: cannot execute binary file
May 09 04:32:41 <Russ> oops
May 09 04:33:17 <ds2> binary bad... source good
May 09 04:33:57 <Digital_Warrior> All i have to say is to hell with you linus. You should have left omap alown
May 09 04:36:29 <Digital_Warrior> does any one know of a working BBB os with the 3.2 kernel
May 09 04:38:34 <Russ> no one bothered to patch 3.2 for bbb
May 09 04:39:34 <Digital_Warrior> If I new how to I think it would be the thing to do.
May 09 04:40:19 <ds2> be tempting to patch 3.2 for BBB
May 09 04:40:37 <Digital_Warrior> The good news is https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/beagleboard/qr5MkjDd4kA
May 09 04:40:41 <ds2> assuming it doesn't completely F my LCD board, I might eventually give it a shot
May 09 04:41:35 <Digital_Warrior> if you do ds2 let me know
May 09 04:41:55 <Digital_Warrior> does any one here brew beer
May 09 04:42:13 <ds2> got to confirm the battery connector still lines up
May 09 04:42:53 <mranostay> ds2: just wing it
May 09 04:43:07 <ka6sox> morning mranostay
May 09 04:43:27 <Digital_Warrior> Does X still start up even though there is not display attached? on stock
May 09 04:43:32 <ds2> mranostay: hand wired 30 wires already... not quite incline to do more
May 09 04:45:38 <Digital_Warrior> ok i am tired that was a really stupid question
May 09 04:51:41 <rbarris> i have a related question, can the BBB be booted with no display attached, but force it to act as if there is one (i.e. dummy FB) - and second question is, is there VNC daemon on there so you can VNC to the non-screen from an attached machine
May 09 04:52:21 <Digital_Warrior> yes it will boot with out display
May 09 04:52:36 <Digital_Warrior> it should work
May 09 04:52:49 <rbarris> but can you then VNC to it and see desktop etc
May 09 04:53:01 <rbarris> will try it
May 09 04:53:11 <Digital_Warrior> as the stock image has gnome. will just need to install vnc then set it to start automaticly
May 09 04:53:18 <rbarris> ok thanks!
May 09 04:53:31 <Digital_Warrior> VNC sucks though
May 09 04:55:36 <dm8tbr> doesn't gnome come with vino?
May 09 04:57:42 <ka6sox> Digital_Warrior, without VNC I'd be driving hundreds of miles a day...so its all relative.
May 09 04:57:57 <Digital_Warrior> I do not see vino installed by default
May 09 04:58:20 <ds2> ka6sox: who's bright idea was it to use GUIs all over?
May 09 04:59:22 <ds2> ka6sox: sane people would configure it so a plain SSH works :D
May 09 04:59:55 <ka6sox> unfortunately I need Windoze for many of the applications...however I VNC into a machine on site and use it there.
May 09 05:00:14 <ds2> LBX :D
May 09 05:24:38 <sjoldzic_> Err...apparently I never logged out of IRC on my netbook. Oops. Anyways, just wanted to let you guys know my problem was solved thanks to your advice, just in case anyone was wondering. :) Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go smack myself for realizing my problem was under my nose the whole time. The TV just wasn't working with the BeagleBone Black. A smaller TV did the trick.
May 09 05:25:12 <sjoldzic_> Thanks for the help, people. :)
May 09 05:27:48 <ka6sox> sjoldzic_, you are most welcome
May 09 05:28:41 <sjoldzic_> Unbelievable how easy that fix was haha. Alright, well, see you guys later. I'm off.
May 09 05:29:53 <remmy_> random question....why do all of these linux shell scripts have linefeed characters?
May 09 05:30:14 <remmy_> maybe not so random if you're trying to build a kernel...
May 09 05:31:35 <ptan> journalctl -f is the same as tail -f /var/log/syslog?
May 09 05:31:54 <ptan> I'm trying to find the usb messages when I connect a webcam to the BBB
May 09 05:34:12 <thethirdmoose> Does the 5/08/2013 image not come with usb ethernet support?
May 09 05:41:40 <catenate> hi
May 09 05:43:47 <catenate> I got a BB Black today, connected using the Getting Started instructions, flashed an updated Angstrom image, and am now trying to connect to it via ethernet, with no luck.
May 09 05:43:53 <ptan> Ok, weirdness with BBB.
May 09 05:44:05 <ptan> Connected logitech C600 webcam
May 09 05:44:07 <thethirdmoose> catenate: I am having the same issue
May 09 05:44:19 <ptan> lsusb shows no devices other than Bus 001 and bus 002
May 09 05:44:36 <ptan> disconnected, and reconnected, still nothing
May 09 05:44:42 <catenate> I read that the default image won't let you ssh as root, but I thought I'd get past that with the latest image
May 09 05:44:49 <ptan> tried other USB webcam, nothing
May 09 05:45:06 <ptan> plugged c600 back in, now it shows up!??
May 09 05:45:33 <ptan> weirdness!!!  does anyone know what is going on?  why is the USB host enumeration failing?
May 09 05:45:51 <catenate> The root password is supposed to be nothing, right?
May 09 05:46:12 <ptan> catenate: yes, password is empty
May 09 05:46:42 <thethirdmoose> catenate: ptan Latest image doesn't even show up in lsusb for me
May 09 05:47:05 <catenate> Ha! Nevermind, I was connecting to the wrong IP.  I just got a 8-port switch on top of my router, and the beaglebone is .11 when I thought it was .8
May 09 05:47:27 <thethirdmoose> catenate: which image are you on?
May 09 05:47:29 <remmy_> catenate: :P
May 09 06:09:51 <catenate> apparently `opkg update` and `opkg upgrade` breaks networking halfway through, can no longer ping google
May 09 06:10:39 <catenate> is it okay to do that, or should I stick with the image?
May 09 06:13:22 <ka6sox> don't upgrade
May 09 06:14:49 <catenate> apparently, I no longer can connect via eth
May 09 06:14:59 <catenate> back to the sd card image
May 09 06:21:47 <catenate> hrrrmm.  I put the microsd card back in, and when I try to boot from it to update the eMMC, I get lots of flickers across all the lights, like it's booting, then it powers itself back off
May 09 06:22:20 <catenate> pressing the boot button while I give it power
May 09 06:25:16 <remmy_> I cannot seem to get the kernel to compile in ubuntu. what's the recommended environment for trying to build this? I removed LF characters from the shell scripts but now it's complaining about multiline strings in kernel sources
May 09 06:26:03 <catenate> I thought you weren't supposed to be able to brick it, but it turns itself off after the boot sequence :(
May 09 06:28:18 <catenate> ok, I think maybe it's updating the eMMC from the sd card now.
May 09 06:43:57 <Rohith> Hi All
May 09 06:44:32 <ericvrp> Hi!
May 09 06:45:32 <Rohith> Can any one tell me the settings of how to give ethernet connection to beagleboard version B7
May 09 06:45:41 <Rohith> i tried a lot but failed
May 09 06:46:00 <ericvrp> Is there a poll somewhere where I can see what Linux version is most commonly used on the BeagleBone Black?
May 09 06:46:01 <panto> gm
May 09 06:46:52 <ericvrp> I've got Ubuntu 12.10 running, but Ubuntu 13.04 and Arch Linux will not boot. I'm trying other uSD cards now. :-(
May 09 06:47:39 <dm8tbr> Rohith: do you mean g_ether or some usb-ethernet adapter?
May 09 06:47:58 <Rohith> usb-ethernet adapter
May 09 06:55:53 <woglinde> Rohith just compile the driver
May 09 06:56:08 <woglinde> and modprobe g_ether is easier
May 09 06:56:35 <woglinde> on beagle modprobe g_ether on host running cdc/net driver
May 09 06:57:00 <dm8tbr> indeed
May 09 06:57:26 <dm8tbr> if you want to pursue the usb-ethernet route, check which driver is loaded on your linux pc and then modprobe the same on the beagle
May 09 06:57:36 <woglinde> if the host is windows I dont not
May 09 06:57:40 <woglinde> some rdnis foo
May 09 06:59:36 <ericvrp> Should I be able to boot into the BBB eMMC Kernel while having an SD card installed. I expect this to be okay but three of the user leds turn (and remain) on!?
May 09 07:00:10 <woglinde> ericvrp hm ther were some problems
May 09 07:00:22 <woglinde> and I think you can not
May 09 07:02:07 <ericvrp> Is there any information to be found about that because I am spending the better part of two days looking.
May 09 07:04:16 <woglinde> uhm I would have stopped it after half an hour
May 09 07:04:23 <woglinde> ask on the beagle ml
May 09 07:04:44 <ericvrp> (BTW I don't understand the design decision of having a button for booting of the uSD card. It would make much more sense to have a simple switch or jumper. Now physical access to the board seems to be required whenever I use an SD card.)
May 09 07:05:00 <panto> ericvrp, what do you want to do exactly?
May 09 07:05:27 <woglinde> panto booting with inserted sdcard
May 09 07:06:04 <panto> ok, there's a trick
May 09 07:06:21 * ericvrp listening...
May 09 07:06:31 <panto> the u-boot in emmc is perfectly capable of reading the mmc
May 09 07:06:37 <panto> switch the mmcdev to 0
May 09 07:06:49 <panto> and have it boot from the inserted mmc
May 09 07:07:02 <Rohith> <woglinde> is it possible tpo edit that file on BB
May 09 07:07:30 <panto> you could make a more involved boot sequence that first tries external mmc boot, and if that fails switch to booting from emmc
May 09 07:07:35 <Rohith> or should it be taken care during kernal image build only
May 09 07:08:23 <panto> tl;dr, you don't have to boot from the same medium u-boot was read from
May 09 07:08:43 <woglinde> ronith?
May 09 07:09:11 <woglinde> ronith openconsole on beagle via serial or ssh and modprobe g_ether
May 09 07:10:33 <woglinde> ronith there were some bug with musb so for some revisions needed a g_ driver build in instead of modul when powered up via usb, but seems you do not have such problem
May 09 07:11:40 <Rohith> ya ur right it can be powered up bu OTG cable also
May 09 07:11:50 <ericvrp> panto: you can imagine my next question :-) How do I switch the mmcdev to 0 (Do you mean changing a config file (which one?) on eMMC so the MMC is used as root partition)?
May 09 07:12:08 <panto> it's just a u-boot env var
May 09 07:12:23 <panto> modify uEnv.txt
May 09 07:13:07 <ericvrp> i-boot env var... will start googling. thank you!
May 09 07:13:12 <panto> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_U-Boot_User's_Guide
May 09 07:13:15 <ericvrp> u-boot sorry
May 09 07:13:20 <panto> it's a bit outdated but might help a bit
May 09 07:15:11 <ka6sox> morning panto
May 09 07:15:35 <panto> hi ka6sox
May 09 07:24:57 <ericvrp> What Linux distribution do people prefer for the BBB?
May 09 07:26:26 <ka6sox> panto, bone pin names for DT aren't the ZCZ ball names but rather the ones given by Gerald on the schematics?
May 09 07:27:22 * ka6sox is getting confuzed again.
May 09 07:27:30 <panto> ka6sox, there are no pin names in the DT, only pin register addresses
May 09 07:27:44 <ka6sox> of course..duh
May 09 07:27:47 <ka6sox> tired me
May 09 07:27:48 <panto> bradfa's pinmux list is what I use
May 09 07:28:10 <ka6sox> then obviously I need to get the PRU modes in there!
May 09 07:28:11 <panto> yeah, sometimes it gets confusing which ones are on the header
May 09 07:28:24 <ka6sox> I just look at mode0
May 09 07:28:43 <panto> wait 1sec
May 09 07:29:14 <panto> http://pastebin.com/djAkkUyL
May 09 07:29:21 <panto> maybe this might be of help
May 09 07:31:06 <ka6sox> yes, that is quite helpful
May 09 07:31:12 <panto> ericvrp, we mostly use angstrom
May 09 07:31:35 <panto> people will get the others ported in a little while
May 09 07:31:48 <ka6sox> is that someplace where everyone can see it or is that something I should format to be in the beaglebone section on elinux.org?
May 09 07:32:31 <panto> bradfa has the list too
May 09 07:32:43 <panto> he'll update for the black and post it
May 09 07:32:53 <ka6sox> okay great
May 09 07:32:59 <ka6sox> that helps a lot
May 09 07:33:20 <ka6sox> morning ant_work I was just thinking about you today...
May 09 07:33:45 <ant_work> hello ka6sox
May 09 07:34:09 <ant_work> planning to spend some time in Italy?
May 09 07:34:40 <ka6sox> we have a student who wants to kexec boot the beaglebone device as part of his GSoC project
May 09 07:34:50 <ka6sox> ant_work, I'd love to go...
May 09 07:35:07 <ka6sox> its currently the only country on my list to go and wander around in.
May 09 07:36:10 <ant_work> well, today 1 US$ = 0,76 Eur...wait until end of this year...
May 09 07:36:26 <ka6sox> okay sounds good!
May 09 07:36:42 <ka6sox> what is the state of kexecboot?
May 09 07:36:46 <ant_work> about KKK (kernel, kexec, klibc) pls tell him to contact me per mail or on #kexecboot
May 09 07:36:55 <ka6sox> sure, I will!
May 09 07:37:03 <ant_work> for arm it is ok (I hope...)
May 09 07:37:08 <ka6sox> he he
May 09 07:37:09 <ka6sox> okay
May 09 07:37:11 <ant_work> we are fixing x86 and x86-64
May 09 07:37:18 <ant_work> right those days
May 09 07:37:32 <ka6sox> this is for the BeagleBone which is ARM7
May 09 07:37:48 <ant_work> old beagleboard was tested by koen long ago
May 09 07:37:57 <ka6sox> good
May 09 07:38:12 <ka6sox> okay I will ask him to contact you via mail or in #kexecboot
May 09 07:38:22 <ant_work> then kexec-kernel couiple was broken for some period...I think it's fixed nowadays
May 09 07:38:38 <ka6sox> I had seen that.
May 09 07:39:38 <ka6sox> does kexecboot play nice with DT?
May 09 07:40:16 <ka6sox> (as if anything does)
May 09 07:40:32 <ant_work> well, say, the binary itself can cope with any kernel
May 09 07:40:57 <ka6sox> kk..thanks..
May 09 07:41:15 <ka6sox> late here...I should sleep.
May 09 07:41:17 <ka6sox> nite!
May 09 07:41:18 <ant_work> the issue can old be between u-boot and kexecboot-kernel
May 09 07:41:27 <ant_work> s/old/only/
May 09 07:41:31 <ant_work> if any
May 09 07:41:34 <ka6sox> ah okay...
May 09 07:41:38 <ka6sox> good to know
May 09 07:41:38 <ant_work> gn
May 09 07:41:43 <ka6sox> nite
May 09 07:56:56 <samch> hello
May 09 07:57:07 <ericvrp> panto: thank you. I'll better stick to Angstrom for now. Will flash BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.03.img.xz (no idea where I found it because http://beagleboard.org/latest-images shows only an older version).
May 09 07:57:13 <samch> i have a problem with the new beaglebone black
May 09 07:57:17 <ericvrp> I hope this allows me to update and upgrade.
May 09 07:57:38 <koen> better use 05.08
May 09 07:57:39 <koen> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.08.img.xz
May 09 07:57:50 <samch> i try to conect a Hd  webcam with ucv drivers
May 09 07:58:39 <samch> but the hight resolucion that work is 640x480 resolution
May 09 07:59:30 <ericvrp> and putting this in uEnv.txt on an empty uSD for storage. This card I can then leave in the BBB while booting up.
May 09 07:59:36 <ericvrp> mmcdev=1
May 09 07:59:36 <ericvrp> bootpart=1:2
May 09 07:59:37 <ericvrp> mmcroot=/dev/mmcblk1p2 ro
May 09 07:59:50 <ericvrp> koen: Dank je
May 09 08:39:07 <samch> anything have problem with uvc drivers and hd webcam?
May 09 08:39:37 <panto> samch, dma doesn't work yet for usb
May 09 08:39:43 <panto> you might have trouble at high resolutions
May 09 08:47:53 <woglinde> panto fix dma
May 09 08:48:15 <panto> in musb? hahaha
May 09 08:48:30 <panto> there are some patches but guess what? they don't apply
May 09 08:48:32 <Russ> its easy, just don't hotplug usb devices
May 09 08:50:30 <koen> I haven't heard updates about usb and mmc in weeks
May 09 08:50:47 <koen> only hdmi audio seems to be cared about
May 09 08:52:14 <koen> it looks like any driver managed by TII doesn't work and isn't getting fixed
May 09 09:26:02 <samch> so
May 09 09:26:23 <samch> uvc drivers not run with hd cameras in beaglebone bakc
May 09 09:26:43 <samch> I buy beaglebone black do it
May 09 09:26:53 <dm8tbr> 08:39:37< panto> samch, dma doesn't work yet for usb
May 09 09:26:53 <dm8tbr> 08:39:43< panto> you might have trouble at high resolutions
May 09 09:27:11 <samch> and now the peoble said tha beaglebone black have a problem with dma
May 09 09:27:36 <panto> not every POS USB peripheral can work
May 09 09:27:58 <samch> exist other alternatives for hd camera and uvc?
May 09 09:28:10 <samch> other distribution
May 09 09:28:33 <panto> use lower rate for now
May 09 09:28:47 <panto> or wait until the dma issue is fixed
May 09 09:29:00 <samch> panto do you now went will fix the problem?
May 09 09:29:27 <samch> do you know, sorry
May 09 09:29:28 <panto> what?
May 09 09:29:51 <panto> it's part of TI's core drivers
May 09 09:29:53 <samch> whent the problem will be fix
May 09 09:30:03 <samch> ok
May 09 09:30:04 <panto> I'm sure there are people working on it
May 09 09:31:02 <panto> it might help when you report problems to mention the steps you followed and some logs
May 09 09:55:05 <_av500_> ahoi
May 09 09:55:17 <woglinde> brause
May 09 10:35:30 <mrpackethead> ahoi, JIHAD
May 09 10:43:43 <mru> ugh, power went out again during the night
May 09 10:47:07 <mru> for nearly 90 minutes this time
May 09 10:47:29 <mru> I doubt I can afford (nor want in my flat) a ups sufficient to bridge that
May 09 11:01:19 <woglinde> mru england / india
May 09 11:01:24 <woglinde> you see the connection
May 09 11:22:57 <doraess> can anyone help me?
May 09 11:23:15 <mru> we don't know
May 09 11:23:24 <mru> you'd have to ask a question first
May 09 11:23:30 <doraess> ok, thanks
May 09 11:23:51 <doraess> my BBB stops booting with three leds on
May 09 11:24:07 <XorA> we should make the first question free, followed by exponential costs ;-)
May 09 11:24:12 <doraess> but it was working fine till yesterday
May 09 11:24:53 <doraess> and i don't get anything from serial
May 09 11:27:17 <Patrick_> hi there, anyone make it run: android on beaglebone black?
May 09 11:30:02 <doraess> any clue of what's happening?
May 09 11:32:17 <_av500_> no
May 09 11:32:25 <_av500_> nothing at all on the serial?
May 09 11:38:07 <Patrick_> no chances to make android run on bbb?
May 09 11:38:46 <doraess> nothing at the serial port...
May 09 11:39:28 <doraess> as far as I know, the only serial port in BBB is the 6 pin header
May 09 11:40:00 <mru> and a few more on the expansion connectors
May 09 11:40:45 <doraess> sure, but there is no ftdi over usb
May 09 11:40:52 <mru> indeed
May 09 11:41:00 <mru> and that's a good thing
May 09 11:41:37 <panto> doraess, can you try to download the emmc flasher and boot from mmc?
May 09 11:42:21 <koen> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.08.img.xz
May 09 11:43:06 <doraess> I will try the procedure to reflash, but I am surprise as it was working from mmc
May 09 11:44:09 <doraess> and I will try also booting from sd...
May 09 11:44:45 <doraess> but I wonder if mmc got corrupted and therefore the BBB cannot boot
May 09 11:53:01 <jkroon_> Does qemu or qemu-linaro have virtual devices implemented for any sort of virtual lcd panel, for use when emulating the beaglebone ?
May 09 12:53:00 <esing> Does Beaglebone black play 1080p?
May 09 12:53:12 <mru> no
May 09 12:53:31 <mru> it's not a media-oriented device
May 09 12:53:45 <esing> Good to know, thanks
May 09 12:53:59 <esing> Does it come with an mpeg-2 license though?
May 09 12:54:09 <mru> no
May 09 12:54:17 <mru> but you can software decode mpeg2 easily enough
May 09 12:55:35 <mru> there are no media accelerators on the chip
May 09 12:55:48 <mru> so there's nothing to get a licence for
May 09 12:57:25 <esing> Hm, makes sense. So it's rather a great mini workstation than a media playing device
May 09 13:03:22 <mru> the chip is mainly intended for industrial control and such
May 09 13:03:36 <mru> lots of i/o, limited graphics
May 09 13:04:39 <Tartarus> BBB production is A6, right?
May 09 13:04:48 <Tartarus> board rev, that is
May 09 13:04:54 <mru> something like that
May 09 13:05:19 * Tartarus flings poo at mru
May 09 13:05:30 <cmicali> mine is A5A fwiw
May 09 13:05:40 <mru> only A4 here
May 09 13:05:46 <mru> the pru-less one
May 09 13:06:17 <mru> will mislabeled chips one day be valuable collector's items like misprinted stamps?
May 09 13:08:32 <Tartarus> cmicali: And you didn't get a pre-release one, yes?
May 09 13:08:43 <cmicali> no straight from adafruit
May 09 13:08:47 <Tartarus> kk, thanks
May 09 13:08:55 * Tartarus updates mental notes
May 09 13:09:08 <Tartarus> Guess mine is production, heh
May 09 13:09:17 <Tartarus> But if anyone has an A6 labeled one here, got a question for you
May 09 13:09:29 <mru> no collectibles for you!
May 09 13:10:11 <Tartarus> I've got an A4 around too I think
May 09 13:10:18 <Tartarus> No A1 tho at lesat
May 09 13:10:23 <Tartarus> s/lesat/least/
May 09 13:14:50 <cmicali> does there exist an am335x emulator
May 09 13:15:35 <mru> there exists the real thing
May 09 13:16:38 <cmicali> is it generally available
May 09 13:16:41 <cmicali> or is it relegated to the depths of the TI mothership?
May 09 13:16:58 <mru> the actual chip exists
May 09 13:17:05 <mru> what do you want an emulator for?
May 09 13:17:08 <cmicali> oh hah
May 09 13:17:29 <cmicali> eh i dunno, continuous integration, more automated dev cycle, etc
May 09 13:17:47 <cmicali> maybe old habit from mobile software days
May 09 13:17:50 <Tartarus> Well, what part of the board are you hoping to test in a CI loop, without real hardware?
May 09 13:17:59 <Tartarus> You can integrate real HW into CI :)
May 09 13:18:00 <cmicali> pru
May 09 13:18:02 <mru> the real chip will be much faster than any emulator
May 09 13:18:09 <cmicali> yeah, have done a lot of that before
May 09 13:18:15 <cmicali> (physical hardware connected to CI servers)
May 09 13:18:18 <cmicali> always headaches
May 09 13:18:53 <dm8tbr> he could find bugs in the emulation
May 09 13:19:01 <cmicali> i just have seen lots of references
May 09 13:19:09 <cmicali> both in the PRU docs and the AM335x docs that hint at an emulator
May 09 13:19:22 <cmicali> got me wondering about it
May 09 13:19:24 <mru> of course there is an emulator somewhere in ti
May 09 13:19:34 <cmicali> maybe i can send some ninjas in to find it and get it out
May 09 13:19:43 <cmicali> maybe they could steal a copy of the pru c compiler while they are at it
May 09 13:19:56 <cmicali> anyone got a good online ninja rental sites
May 09 13:20:06 <woglinde> lol
May 09 13:20:27 <Spirilis> they're probably talking about the JTAG emulation layer inside the chip for debugging
May 09 13:20:36 <Spirilis> not an "emulator" in the manner you're thinking
May 09 13:20:45 <Spirilis> although the term originates from those I guess
May 09 13:21:00 <cmicali> spirilis: maybe, in the pru docs one of the interrupt lines is reserved for halt/exit emulator or something
May 09 13:21:26 <cmicali> who knows
May 09 13:22:26 <woglinde> maybee you mean qemu
May 09 13:23:12 <mru> qemu can reasonably emulate the arm core
May 09 13:24:02 <woglinde> sure
May 09 13:26:20 <cmicali> yeah i've used it before for other arm-based platforms
May 09 13:26:49 <cmicali> it's quite good now
May 09 13:28:51 <Tartarus> There is no full and awesome emulator of an am335x system in TI, I'm pretty sure
May 09 13:28:58 <Tartarus> There's tradeoffs :)
May 09 13:29:17 <Tartarus> (And I'm also sure there's nothing for public or even semi-public use)
May 09 13:34:22 <bradfa> Tartarus, evil vendor emulator? :)
May 09 13:52:15 <Bicster> Hi folks
May 09 13:52:20 <fishhead2567> _av500_, I have run into my first "i wish i could opkg upgrade" issue. My kernel revision does not have the pwn kernel module. Could you recommend what kernel-updates i would need to use it?
May 09 13:53:04 <Bicster> I have an issue with my Black. When I try to boot with a uSD inserted, it locks up with 3 LEDs. When I boot without uSD inserted, and insert one, it doesn't show up. I've tried two different uSD cards, both work. Am I doing something wrong or is my board hosed?
May 09 13:53:43 <Bicster> According to the FM, it should boot from the built in Flash even when uSD is inserted, unless I hold a button
May 09 13:54:54 <woglinde> fishhead2567 compile the kernel yourself
May 09 13:55:11 <woglinde> Bicster its aknow issue
May 09 13:55:23 <Bicster> thx woglinde
May 09 13:55:25 <Bicster> is there a workaround?
May 09 13:55:32 <Bicster> or somewhere I can read more about it
May 09 13:55:47 <woglinde> hm if I remmber correctly you have to quick insert it at  boot time
May 09 13:56:07 <Bicster> after bootloader, before kernel init? lol
May 09 13:56:17 <Bicster> sounds like a bootloader issue then
May 09 13:56:21 <woglinde> dont know check the channel log
May 09 13:56:37 <Bicster> thanks will look for that
May 09 13:56:41 <woglinde> it was mentioned here last week or so
May 09 13:56:46 <woglinde> sd-card
May 09 13:56:48 <woglinde> or sd
May 09 13:56:50 <woglinde> what else
May 09 13:57:25 <Bicster> if I make a bootable SD will it boot from it normally?
May 09 13:57:31 <Bicster> if so, then I'll just use that approach
May 09 13:57:47 <woglinde> yes that should work
May 09 13:58:02 <Bicster> ultimately I just want to get ubuntu on the built in flash. thank you
May 09 13:59:49 <woglinde> why ubuntu?
May 09 14:00:59 <Bicster> I'm not using this particular unit for development or anything interesting. It's an IPsec gateway. Easier to keep up to date and secure ...
May 09 14:01:58 <mru> why would you use ubuntu for that?
May 09 14:02:05 <mru> ubuntu is a desktop distro at best
May 09 14:02:20 <Bicster> maybe Debian
May 09 14:02:23 <Bicster> I don't really care
May 09 14:02:29 <Bicster> I remove all the desktop crap
May 09 14:03:16 <Bicster> I'd use gentoo if it was faster
May 09 14:03:16 <Bicster> lol
May 09 14:03:58 <mru> a router spends most its time in the kernel
May 09 14:04:19 <koen> fishhead2567: all beagleboneblack kernels have the pwm driver
May 09 14:04:43 <fishhead2567> koen, yes in looking around it seems pybbio is built against 3.2 when the pwn directory was somewhere differnt
May 09 14:04:49 <fishhead2567> i think its a module issue =(
May 09 14:04:57 <koen> it's not
May 09 14:04:58 <fishhead2567> anyone using pybbio on black?/
May 09 14:05:03 <fishhead2567> koen, oh?
May 09 14:05:05 <koen> it's pybbio not being up to date
May 09 14:06:45 <fishhead2567> koen, well right. an issue with the python package. *I used 'modulle' when i meant package
May 09 14:07:14 <fishhead2567> oh well. Looks like i'm coding in JS for now =P
May 09 14:07:20 <fishhead2567> or i'll have to write my own librarty
May 09 14:07:26 <fishhead2567> grawr spelling today...
May 09 14:15:19 <woglinde> o.O
May 09 14:15:31 <woglinde> mixing langes with kernel
May 09 14:15:39 <woglinde> nice try
May 09 14:18:17 <samch> hello
May 09 14:18:19 <Bicster> hi
May 09 14:18:26 <samch> one question
May 09 14:18:30 <Bicster> woglinde: the SD issue was mentioned yesterday in the IRC log. :)
May 09 14:18:46 <Bicster> appears to be fixable
May 09 14:18:50 <samch> how can i force low speed USB in beaglebone?
May 09 14:19:12 <samch> i have problem with hd webcam
May 09 14:19:27 <mdp> Tartarus, there's partial and clearly not-awesome emulators of other TI parts though :-/
May 09 14:19:36 <samch> and i think that this change may fix the error with DMA
May 09 14:19:36 <Bicster> hd webcam ain't going to do much with low speed
May 09 14:20:01 <samch> only take 1 picture every second
May 09 14:20:28 <Bicster> do you have a good power supply connected to the bone?
May 09 14:20:37 <Bicster> regulated 5V >1A
May 09 14:20:54 <samch> 5v 2A
May 09 14:21:48 <Bicster> most USB hubs don't support full speed when low speed devices are connected. Short of patching the kernel that's probably the easiest way. Connect a hub and a keyboard or some other device that's limited to low speed
May 09 14:22:17 <panto> you should also request a non-hd capture from the cam
May 09 14:22:19 <panto> that would be easier
May 09 14:22:28 <mdp> qvga
May 09 14:22:42 <mru> single pixel
May 09 14:22:51 <Bicster> single bit
May 09 14:23:02 <samch> after 2 days with this problem
May 09 14:23:05 <mru> empty set
May 09 14:23:05 <mdp> bang it
May 09 14:23:13 <samch> to take 2 Mp picture
May 09 14:23:20 <samch> using uvc drivers
May 09 14:23:33 <woglinde> *sigh*
May 09 14:23:37 <samch> i think that the problem in DMA is the speed
May 09 14:23:46 <samch> buffer overflow
May 09 14:23:53 <woglinde> use ip cam with v4l2 loop driver
May 09 14:24:09 <samch> ip cam?
May 09 14:24:20 <woglinde> networkcamera like basler or axis
May 09 14:24:27 <Bicster> use a raspberry pi with the camera module </hides>
May 09 14:24:42 <woglinde> there is a cam cape nor?
May 09 14:25:31 <mru> camshaft
May 09 14:25:36 <woglinde> http://www.quicklogic.com/reference-designs/beaglebone-camera-cape/
May 09 14:25:36 <samch> i have to conect 5 Webcan in the same board
May 09 14:25:40 <panto> woglinde, there is, and I'm debugging it ATM
May 09 14:25:47 <panto> samch, wut?
May 09 14:25:49 <woglinde> samch lol
May 09 14:25:52 <woglinde> forget it
May 09 14:25:52 <dm8tbr> lulz
May 09 14:25:53 <panto> not going to happen
May 09 14:25:59 * dm8tbr gets moar popcornz
May 09 14:26:04 <woglinde> yes action
May 09 14:26:42 <samch> what said the vendor of beaglebone about this big problem?
May 09 14:27:21 <Bicster> samch: lsusb -t, send to pastebin pls
May 09 14:27:55 <woglinde> samch what big problem?
May 09 14:28:00 <panto> samch, if you think you can drive 5 usb hd cameras with a beaglebone, well... good luck
May 09 14:28:01 <koen> samch: the vendor said TI should fix their shitty drivers
May 09 14:28:24 <woglinde> 5 usb cam is not possible
May 09 14:28:24 <mru> woglinde: the Unlimited Supply of Bugs, I presume
May 09 14:28:36 <woglinde> and usb was shitty at all
May 09 14:28:52 <woglinde> you had better come here before doing impossible things
May 09 14:29:39 <mru> I sometimes do impossible things
May 09 14:29:51 * mdp notes that the support team already has a fix...5 IP cams
May 09 14:30:04 <bradfa> mru, do you ever do possible things?
May 09 14:30:15 <Bicster> doing possible things is boring
May 09 14:30:28 <mru> bradfa: where would be the fun in that?
May 09 14:30:42 * bradfa shrugs shoulders
May 09 14:30:57 <mdp> it's what makes him extraordinary
May 09 14:31:57 <woglinde> mru than connect 5 usb cams for samch
May 09 14:32:11 <mru> where would be the fun in that?
May 09 14:32:37 <mru> but of course it can be done, just need a little more hardware
May 09 14:32:42 <mru> like, say, 5 more bones
May 09 14:32:46 <mru> to turn them into ip cams
May 09 14:32:46 <woglinde> *g*
May 09 14:33:04 <mdp> the bone is your hammer
May 09 14:33:05 <bradfa> bone cam!
May 09 14:33:08 <bradfa> er
May 09 14:33:09 <mdp> omg
May 09 14:33:31 <mdp> bradfa, I suspect something by that name has already been monetized ;)
May 09 14:33:38 <bradfa> and made way more money than I
May 09 14:33:41 <mdp> right
May 09 14:33:55 <bradfa> but if no, I declare trademark!
May 09 14:34:22 <bradfa> whois bonecam.com
May 09 14:34:54 <mru> squatters got it
May 09 14:34:58 <mdp> that's ok, I just invented "The Descriptive Oscilloscope" earlier...I'll remember all you little people when this takes off
May 09 14:35:24 <bradfa> mdp, does it play asteroids?
May 09 14:35:51 <bradfa> all good scopes do
May 09 14:35:59 <mdp> possibly, but you would get a prose description of the display sent to you
May 09 14:36:26 <bradfa> "asteroids all around"
May 09 14:37:05 <mru> you are in a maze of asteroids, all alike
May 09 14:37:06 <mdp> "a tiny saucer maneuvers through the field of asteroids...crossing right to left..the pace is approximately.."
May 09 14:37:12 <mdp> go north
May 09 14:39:59 <mdp> bradfa, I think it can replace all this silly vnc stuff for remote debugging
May 09 14:40:16 <bradfa> yes
May 09 14:40:25 <mdp> if it automagically farms out the description of the wave form..
May 09 14:40:29 <mdp> plus, I can read that easily in mutt
May 09 14:40:29 <mru> vnc for debugging? wtf?
May 09 14:40:42 <bradfa> mru, it's possible, not your thing
May 09 14:40:43 <panto> mru, there are worse setups
May 09 14:41:07 <mdp> you could be working in a windows-based synopsys sim that doesn't at all work like the real h/w ;)
May 09 14:41:20 <mdp> I submit my claim that this is worse
May 09 14:41:28 * panto worked (or at least tried to) with a fast model sim 
May 09 14:41:45 <mru> well, vnc renders the problem irrelevant since you'll be spending all your time debugging vnc instead
May 09 14:42:02 <mdp> panto, all those things are written by other understaffed software teams ;)
May 09 14:42:21 <mdp> and so the result is somewhat predictable
May 09 14:42:41 <panto> 'apply gaffer tape + spit'
May 09 14:44:54 <mdp> hrm, sounds like a great sigrok plugin...takes data and sends to mechanical turk
May 09 14:45:16 <mdp> this idea came too late for gsoc :(
May 09 14:49:15 * panto points at KotH 
May 09 14:49:21 <panto> no idea if he's mechanical
May 09 14:50:03 <mru> KotH is a swiss turk
May 09 14:50:33 <mdp> chocolaty
May 09 14:53:39 <mdp> top bone issue for the last 24 hours: blue leds too bright
May 09 14:54:48 <panto> bike shed color is annoyingly bright blue
May 09 14:56:20 <ketas> bright blue bikeshed sucks
May 09 14:57:22 <ketas> i don't know what i will be doing
May 09 14:57:41 <ketas> my bone is finally in country
May 09 14:57:44 <mdp> next killer feature..rgb leds to use those wasted pwms ;)
May 09 14:57:51 <fester> is it possible to read a file from the pru?
May 09 14:57:53 <Spirilis> haha
May 09 14:57:54 <ketas> hahah
May 09 14:58:06 <panto> everything is possible
May 09 14:58:09 <Spirilis> ever since discovering WS2811 LED strips I've not touched a damned LED in a project since except for simple power indicators
May 09 14:58:19 <ketas> mdp: i was really surprised that beaglebone has blue leds
May 09 14:58:23 <Spirilis> reminds me though, need to write a driver to perform I/O on those
May 09 14:58:29 <Spirilis> probably a PRU task
May 09 14:58:33 <ketas> mdp: the f is with those blue lights?!
May 09 14:58:53 <mru> the force?
May 09 14:58:55 <ka6sox>  morning
May 09 14:59:02 <panto> hi ka6sox
May 09 14:59:08 <mru> moaning ka6sox
May 09 14:59:10 <ketas> is there always on blue power led in bone?
May 09 14:59:12 <mdp> mru, that is used to reduce the intensity
May 09 14:59:16 <ketas> didn't check
May 09 14:59:27 <mdp> a lot of blunt force applied to the led
May 09 15:00:00 <ketas> maybe solder those off
May 09 15:00:08 <mdp> mourning, ka6sox
May 09 15:00:20 <ka6sox> mourning mdp
May 09 15:00:26 <ka6sox> moaning mru
May 09 15:00:33 <ka6sox> hi panto
May 09 15:00:45 <ka6sox> (did i get that right without coffee?)
May 09 15:01:07 <panto> close enough
May 09 15:01:25 <ka6sox> panto, I really think the bikeshed should be Teal and Orange
May 09 15:01:38 <panto> but the cheapest paint option is red!
May 09 15:01:46 <panto> let's argue for a month
May 09 15:02:09 <ka6sox> but mru just LOVES teal and orange...
May 09 15:03:34 <ka6sox> all kidding aside what bike were we painting today?
May 09 15:03:56 <ketas> teal leds?
May 09 15:04:10 <ketas> seriously... blue leds on EVERY device
May 09 15:04:35 <dm8tbr> sharks with blue frikin lasers?
May 09 15:05:05 <ka6sox> then nobody will sleep
May 09 15:05:44 <mdp> just keep them out of my inland bodies of water
May 09 15:06:01 <ketas> i would turn crazy if i need to stare at blue leds all the time
May 09 15:08:55 <mdp> I made one of these http://i.imgur.com/QKedatg.gif for when I work with the BBB
May 09 15:10:17 <james_grey> has anyone tried using the adeneo embedded windows ce7 BSP for the BB Black?
May 09 15:11:30 <ketas> mdp: ahahaha
May 09 15:11:51 <ketas> well sorry but if bbb has permanent blue led i solder it off
May 09 15:13:28 <ug> hi all i go a question can you answer. Will it harm to use 5V 2.5A adaptor for bbbk
May 09 15:15:00 <ketas> well it's rated for 5v?
May 09 15:15:03 <ketas> then no
May 09 15:31:15 <ketas> blue is now the cheapest led available?
May 09 15:32:20 <panto> could be the most annoying
May 09 15:32:40 <ketas> why should some devboard be annoying?
May 09 15:32:59 <mru> seems to be working for the rpi
May 09 15:33:26 <ketas> blue led? :)
May 09 15:33:31 <mru> annoying
May 09 15:36:29 <ka6sox> blue is not the cheapest led...
May 09 15:39:35 <mdp> blue haters gonna hate
May 09 15:43:53 <ketas> ka6sox: what is?
May 09 15:46:22 <Bicster> probably green
May 09 15:46:39 <Bicster> green/yellow/red all cheaper
May 09 15:47:27 <mdp> feels like friday
May 09 15:47:53 <cmicali> ITS NOT FRIDAY?
May 09 15:47:53 <mru> it's close enough
May 09 15:48:19 <ketas> Bicster: but why is there more expensive blue led on beaglebone?
May 09 15:48:21 <ka6sox> ketas, its always been RED (thats why barns are that colour)
May 09 15:48:30 <ka6sox> its pretty?
May 09 15:48:46 * Bicster has no idea why the LEDs on the bone are so annoying and overbright
May 09 15:49:00 <Bicster> who cares? someone liked it
May 09 15:49:04 <ketas> even green leds are very bright nowadays
May 09 15:49:06 <ka6sox> :)
May 09 15:49:15 <mdp> bad sample in the marketing focus group that evaluated the board, I'm sure
May 09 15:49:22 <Bicster> "Do not look into beaglebone LEDs with remaining eye"
May 09 15:49:27 <mru> we got "bug" reports on too bright LEDs on directv boxes too
May 09 15:49:27 <ketas> hahaha
May 09 15:49:32 <ka6sox> bikeshedding in 5...4....3....2....1
May 09 15:50:19 <Bicster> I imagine those LEDs are quite useful in direct sunlight
May 09 15:50:28 <Bicster> where no nerd has ever gone, but I digress
May 09 15:50:31 <rbarris> it creates a third party opportunity for smoked glass enclosures
May 09 15:50:37 <detheridge> black electrical tape takes them down a few lumens
May 09 15:50:40 <rbarris> ==
May 09 15:50:45 <ketas> bleh
May 09 15:51:18 <ketas> i don't get why on new devices, indicator lights are largely wrong
May 09 15:51:24 <ketas> where on old stuff, it's all ok
May 09 15:52:06 <Bicster> I'm glad to have a board in hand, rather than someone still sweating details like that
May 09 15:52:22 <Bicster> at least there aren't connectors on all 4 edges like the Pi
May 09 15:52:24 <ketas> newer the device is, more "room lighting" and less "indicator" those are
May 09 15:52:54 <Digital_Warrior> I like the indicator lights.
May 09 15:53:43 <Digital_Warrior> the brightness of the lights can mean somehting so now one indicator can display more than true of false.
May 09 15:53:47 <ketas> transparent, high brightness stupid leds... old equipment has diffused leds everywhere
May 09 15:53:51 <Spirilis> just get some hot air reflow going and replace 'em with red
May 09 15:54:10 <ketas> resistors too?
May 09 15:54:12 <ketas> :P
May 09 15:54:19 <Spirilis> eh, maybe that'd be a good idea ;)
May 09 15:55:06 <m_billybob> I got an idea, crazy i know, but how about learning how to shut them off through code ?
May 09 15:55:19 <m_billybob> CRAZY
May 09 15:55:29 <Spirilis> that'd require you to actually read the start html page and learn a few lines of bonescript
May 09 15:55:32 <Digital_Warrior> and what about building a box so you do not see them. less code to learn :)
May 09 15:55:35 <moondawg> where can I find the pinout diagram for beaglebone black expansions headers?
May 09 15:56:01 <Digital_Warrior> in the BeagleBone Black System Reference Manual
May 09 15:56:12 <ketas> well i will be running custom stuff on bbb anyway
May 09 15:56:57 <Rickta59> black nail polish
May 09 15:59:47 <moondawg> Digital_Warrior: Thanks!
May 09 16:01:06 <Digital_Warrior> No  problem
May 09 16:02:40 <m_billybob> heh wulf just said gerald was sayign he thought about fixing the problem by putting the LEDs in backwards lol
May 09 16:03:06 <m_billybob> that'd do it !
May 09 16:03:23 <Digital_Warrior> I need more leds.
May 09 16:06:43 <ketas> black marker maybe
May 09 16:06:46 <Spirilis> haha
May 09 16:06:55 <Digital_Warrior> I am working on a solution for you one sec.
May 09 16:07:22 <ketas> crazy stuff
May 09 16:08:09 <Digital_Warrior> Run the following bone script
May 09 16:08:12 <Digital_Warrior> var b = require('bonescript');
May 09 16:08:12 <Digital_Warrior> b.pinMode('USR0', b.OUTPUT);
May 09 16:08:12 <Digital_Warrior> b.pinMode('USR1', b.OUTPUT);
May 09 16:08:12 <Digital_Warrior> b.pinMode('USR2', b.OUTPUT);
May 09 16:08:12 <Digital_Warrior> b.pinMode('USR3', b.OUTPUT);
May 09 16:08:12 <Digital_Warrior> b.digitalWrite('USR0', b.LOW);
May 09 16:08:13 <Digital_Warrior> b.digitalWrite('USR1', b.LOW);
May 09 16:08:13 <Digital_Warrior> b.digitalWrite('USR2', b.LOW);
May 09 16:08:14 <Digital_Warrior> b.digitalWrite('USR3', b.LOW);
May 09 16:08:32 <Digital_Warrior> Turns them all off for you
May 09 16:08:34 <prpplague> Digital_Warrior: please to do not paste more than 2 lines in the chanle
May 09 16:08:43 <prpplague> Digital_Warrior: please use a site such as pastebin
May 09 16:10:03 <ketas> we'll see later when i get my bbb
May 09 16:10:31 <[1]segfault> doo de doo
May 09 16:10:35 <panto> err, guys
May 09 16:10:40 <ketas> those leds are on shared io pins?
May 09 16:10:46 <panto> why not disable the trigger that lights up the leds?
May 09 16:10:57 <panto> you know linux is pretty flexible right?
May 09 16:11:01 <[1]segfault> +1
May 09 16:11:10 <[1]segfault> you can dynamically control them if you want :D
May 09 16:11:12 <ketas> i would like to have leds
May 09 16:11:21 <ketas> just not BLUE
May 09 16:11:25 <panto>  ls /sys/class/leds/beaglebone\:green\:usr0
May 09 16:11:47 <panto> root@beaglebone:~# cat /sys/class/leds/beaglebone\:green\:usr0/trigger
May 09 16:11:48 <panto> none nand-disk mmc0 timer oneshot [heartbeat] backlight gpio cpu0 default-on transient
May 09 16:11:57 <panto> that's from the white I have booted up
May 09 16:12:05 <panto> set the trigger to none
May 09 16:12:13 <panto> brightness to 0
May 09 16:12:18 <panto> done
May 09 16:12:28 <ketas> wrong solution to useless problem
May 09 16:12:46 <[1]segfault> lol
May 09 16:12:58 <[1]segfault> panto,he wants a color other than blue
May 09 16:13:10 <panto> color marker?
May 09 16:13:16 <mdp> panto, where is the h/w issue tracker to file this issue?!?
May 09 16:13:19 <ketas> green marker :P
May 09 16:13:27 <mdp> needz rgb ledz
May 09 16:13:37 <[1]segfault> i actually like the rgb led idea
May 09 16:14:03 <ketas> how about one rgb and one dual
May 09 16:14:03 <[1]segfault> granted itll take up 3 times as many GPIO pins
May 09 16:14:35 <[1]segfault> nah, screw it, make all 4 of them rgb
May 09 16:14:45 <[1]segfault> :P
May 09 16:14:52 <[1]segfault> actually,
May 09 16:15:01 <ketas> i'll see what i can do with board on my table and schematics open
May 09 16:15:16 <[1]segfault> on the existing board... could you replace 3 leds with one rgb led?
May 09 16:15:21 <[1]segfault> o.O
May 09 16:15:44 <[1]segfault> im just having fun with ideas, i've been awake all night so im slightly delerious
May 09 16:15:53 <ketas> go sleep
May 09 16:16:02 <prpplague> [1]segfault: just use a 595 shift register or some WS2801's , either way you'd need just 2 or 3 gpios
May 09 16:16:34 <ketas> bleh, why did i even order bbb
May 09 16:16:43 <ketas> i assumed green leds!
May 09 16:17:53 <mdp> it's really inexcusable to not have the led color in the description IMHO
May 09 16:19:34 <mdp> a recall kit could provide a set of colored diffuser lenses perhaps..to fix this issue
May 09 16:20:27 <[1]segfault> hey panto any word on that AES engine bug i sent you? If there's any extra info you need lemme know and I'll send it your way
May 09 16:20:58 <panto> [1]segfault, I intend to look at it later
May 09 16:21:02 <panto> in the middle of something right now
May 09 16:21:02 <[1]segfault> okay
May 09 16:21:34 * [1]segfault dances
May 09 16:21:34 <samch> i begin the experiment
May 09 16:21:51 <samch> conect a hd webcam with a 7 hub
May 09 16:21:57 <samch> 7 port hub
May 09 16:22:07 <ketas> panto: please don't say that another kitten needs to die because of you...?
May 09 16:22:16 <samch> it is posible conect to mini usb in beaglebone black?
May 09 16:22:27 * mdp watches koen rule #3 in action
May 09 16:22:46 <[1]segfault> samch, to do what?
May 09 16:22:56 <panto> I hope it's nothing like rule #34
May 09 16:23:28 <[1]segfault> we don't talk about rule #34 since my dad figured out what rule #34 is.
May 09 16:24:06 <mdp> rule #3 is safe for work
May 09 16:24:08 <[1]segfault> when my dad mentioned rule #34 to me, i kinda got a little grossed out.
May 09 16:24:16 <mdp> often unused at work, but entirely safe
May 09 16:24:53 <josh> Anyone know what kind of quantities the BBB components are being purchased in to make it possible to sell at $44?
May 09 16:26:24 <PierreND> 100,000 boards will be made in the first production run of BeagleBone Black
May 09 16:26:37 <samch> segfault, i want to conect 5 webcam in beaglebone black
May 09 16:26:47 <samch> but i have a problem with DMA
May 09 16:26:53 <PierreND> source: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/04/for-your-robot-building-needs-the-45-beaglebone-linux-pc-goes-on-sale/
May 09 16:27:48 <josh> PierreND: Thanks, Thats a pretty large run.
May 09 16:27:52 <[1]segfault> man i wish i had 5 webcams to test that lol
May 09 16:31:24 <samch> anything now the last kernel update?
May 09 16:31:39 <samch> anything know the last kernel update?
May 09 16:33:13 <woglinde> oh my god
May 09 16:33:20 <woglinde> 100k asking here about 3 led
May 09 16:37:46 <Spirilis> personally I think the blue LEDs are slick
May 09 16:37:54 <Spirilis> a tad bright though
May 09 16:38:34 <ketas> it's damn hard to buy anything without blue leds in them
May 09 16:38:42 <mru> I see a blue led and I want it painted black </stones>
May 09 16:38:51 <ketas> black led
May 09 16:38:52 <ketas> !
May 09 16:39:12 <ketas> ah, world just sucks
May 09 16:39:16 <ketas> world is all broken!
May 09 16:39:18 <Spirilis> yeah the other problem with blue LEDs is they're damned sensitive, even putting a 2.2K resistor on a blue LED receiving 5V it's still bright as hell
May 09 16:39:25 <Spirilis> shines out a green LED on 3.3V with 1K for sure
May 09 16:39:42 <Spirilis> haven't tried 4.7K yet
May 09 16:40:26 <Russ> have you tried a larger 2.2k resistor?
May 09 16:40:33 <mru> :)
May 09 16:40:38 <Spirilis> lul
May 09 16:40:40 <Russ> if you glue it right on top, it should be able to block the light completely
May 09 16:40:47 <Spirilis> haha
May 09 16:40:49 <Spirilis> snap
May 09 16:40:54 <mru> what's the forward voltage drop of a blue led?
May 09 16:41:02 <Spirilis> it's usually 3V or so
May 09 16:41:12 <Spirilis> similar to white (in fact isn't a white LED just a blue with phosphor?)
May 09 16:41:12 <ketas> also, why is there usb cable included in package that supposedly costs 3$?
May 09 16:41:46 <mru> maybe they have a surplus
May 09 16:43:24 <ketas> Spirilis: paint some phosphoron it
May 09 16:43:26 <ketas> :P
May 09 16:43:32 <ketas> err
May 09 16:43:35 <ketas> phosphor
May 09 16:43:41 <ketas> hard word
May 09 16:47:22 <m_billybob> PWM . . .
May 09 16:48:02 <m_billybob> RGB LEDs would have been nice but thats not what we have :)
May 09 16:49:14 <ketas> just solder some decent colored leds on
May 09 16:49:37 <Spirilis> or be happy with the badass blue nightlight you have!
May 09 16:50:06 <Spirilis> mount your project in a clear case on the side of the house and folks will think you have a direct police surveillance link going on
May 09 16:50:22 <ketas> that won't be running near bed thankfully
May 09 16:50:28 <Spirilis> like downtown Baltimore, the bright blue beacons on top of the emergency payphone poles in the sketchy areas
May 09 16:50:45 <Spirilis> you always know you're in a classy joint when those are hanging around
May 09 16:51:12 <mru> never seen anything like that in europe
May 09 16:51:20 <mru> nor asia
May 09 16:51:56 <ketas> i wonder if they can make another batch for people who like green leds
May 09 16:51:58 <ketas> :P
May 09 16:53:02 <josh> Has anyone played with the PRU on the beaglebone?
May 09 16:53:14 <mru> many have
May 09 16:53:26 <mru> some even lived to tell the tale
May 09 16:53:33 <josh> haha
May 09 16:53:40 <josh> Seems a little sketchy for sure...
May 09 16:53:45 <mru> what does?
May 09 16:53:53 <josh> Info on the PRU
May 09 16:54:07 <mru> you need spruh73c
May 09 16:54:17 <ketas> anyone runs anything other than linux on beagle stuff?
May 09 16:54:32 <mru> some do
May 09 16:54:51 <josh> mru: Is the only way to dev for the PRU to use assembly?
May 09 16:55:05 <mru> you can code directly in hex too
May 09 16:55:11 <josh> lol
May 09 16:55:11 <panto> octal works too
May 09 16:55:23 <levi> You could write a compiler, if you wanted to.
May 09 16:55:26 <ketas> more specificly, does someone run fbsd
May 09 16:55:33 <ketas> like i would be doing
May 09 16:56:00 <panto> ketas, no, but you can always be the first
May 09 16:56:04 <panto> keep us informed how it goes
May 09 16:56:15 <mru> https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/BeagleBone
May 09 16:56:31 <mru> https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/BeagleBoneBlack
May 09 16:57:00 <ketas> i mean it works, i bought bbb to improve that
May 09 16:57:45 * panto knows nothing about the state of fbsd on bbb 
May 09 16:57:52 <panto> what kind of drivers work?
May 09 16:58:54 <mdp> josh, please read http://elinux.org/Ti_AM33XX_PRUSSv2
May 09 16:59:11 <mdp> that is the canonical answer center for PRU on Bone
May 09 16:59:40 <ketas> panto: supposedly gpio on beaglebone
May 09 16:59:59 <mdp> that page even has a link to the legendary spruh73c.pdf
May 09 17:00:23 <mdp> and examples proving that people have played with the PRU
May 09 17:01:26 <josh> mdp: Thanks for all the input!
May 09 17:01:46 <josh> mdp: Found this github repo too: https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package
May 09 17:02:09 <josh> Seems to be associated with beaglebone (logo in the PDF) but I found it on a TI message board
May 09 17:02:28 <mdp> josh, that's also linked from the starting page I mentioned
May 09 17:02:37 <josh> Ah, cool
May 09 17:02:41 <mdp> it's all there
May 09 17:02:42 <josh> Reading...
May 09 17:03:19 <mdp> ka6sox is the person to thank for pulling all the info together in one place.
May 09 17:03:27 <mdp> thanks, ka6sox
May 09 17:03:55 <josh> thanks ka6sox
May 09 17:04:44 <josh> If I don't have to use another uC for the small real-time part of my project it'll save me some money!
May 09 17:04:56 <ketas> i wonder about failure rate of bbb?
May 09 17:05:05 <mdp> sounds like a possible use case match ;)
May 09 17:10:09 <_av500_> match all the cases
May 09 17:10:15 <_av500_> use matches on all the cases
May 09 17:12:03 * ketas lights the match
May 09 17:12:04 <mdp> #matchcaseswithuses
May 09 17:13:47 * _av500_ rediscovers the entertainment value of Arm-netbook
May 09 17:14:09 <_av500_> "copy/paste 20 A10 in Kicad, link them with GPIOs and kill Intel..."
May 09 17:14:49 <mdp> heh
May 09 17:14:58 <mru> bitbang QPI
May 09 17:15:12 <mdp> I almost said, "you need to 'paste special'"
May 09 17:15:45 <ketas> paste special snowflakes
May 09 17:15:47 <mdp> that'll engage the fuzzy logic to integrate it all
May 09 17:15:55 * mdp waves hands
May 09 17:16:04 * panto hand waves 
May 09 17:16:44 <ketas> 20-core arm laptop?
May 09 17:17:45 <ketas> i have wondered about devices with more than once arch cpu in them
May 09 17:17:56 <ketas> s/wondered/wondered about/
May 09 17:18:08 <ketas> s/once/one/
May 09 17:18:36 <ketas> i need to sleep again
May 09 17:18:52 <Turl> ketas: they exist
May 09 17:19:08 <_av500_> ketas: in this case, 20 separate CPUs, each with its own RAM
May 09 17:19:18 <_av500_> what can go wrong
May 09 17:19:25 <Turl> _av500_: but they're all arm
May 09 17:19:26 <ketas> hahaha
May 09 17:19:29 <panto> _av500_, *cough* everything
May 09 17:19:29 <Turl> where's the fun
May 09 17:20:12 <ketas> _av500_: that's usually called "cluster"
May 09 17:20:31 <mdp> did somebody say Beowulf?
May 09 17:20:38 <panto> ketas, cluster + bad interconnect = transputer
May 09 17:20:54 * dm8tbr ponders if there is anything special to observe if he wants to try to read an 24C08 I²C EEPROM using his beagle-bone
May 09 17:20:55 <ketas> cluster laptop
May 09 17:20:59 <mru> beaglewolf!
May 09 17:21:07 <_av500_> ketas: I know that
May 09 17:21:24 <ketas> beowulftop
May 09 17:21:32 <[1]segfault> I love my beaglebones
May 09 17:21:32 <mdp> unite bradfa's bonecam with the beaglewolf
May 09 17:21:34 <[1]segfault> all 11 of them
May 09 17:21:38 <ketas> all 11?
May 09 17:21:40 <_av500_> castle wolfenbein
May 09 17:21:46 <panto> this bone goes to 11?
May 09 17:21:47 <[1]segfault> yup
May 09 17:21:56 <ketas> boners
May 09 17:22:00 <ketas> beagle boners
May 09 17:22:00 <[1]segfault> 7 of the bb and 4 of the bbb
May 09 17:22:01 <_av500_> boneyard
May 09 17:22:11 <ketas> [1]segfault: why so much!
May 09 17:22:20 <[1]segfault> i use them as appliances
May 09 17:22:22 <[1]segfault> and sell them :D
May 09 17:22:35 <ketas> what they do
May 09 17:22:41 <[1]segfault> scoring software for IDPA
May 09 17:23:10 <[1]segfault> it's easier than writing an app and supporting in on mac/linux/windows
May 09 17:23:19 <[1]segfault> so instead, i put a tiny installation on a beaglebone with a webserver
May 09 17:23:22 <[1]segfault> and wrote a webapp
May 09 17:23:35 <[1]segfault> it can act as a captive portal if no DHCP is found
May 09 17:23:47 <[1]segfault> so you can hook wifi up to it and let people connect mobile devices etc etc
May 09 17:24:36 <bradfa> [1]segfault, are your bones bullet proof?
May 09 17:24:48 <[1]segfault> hrm
May 09 17:24:51 <[1]segfault> now that you mention it
May 09 17:24:56 <[1]segfault> i should get a case that makes them bullet proof
May 09 17:25:05 <_av500_> Kirk would have shot the scoring computer
May 09 17:25:30 <ketas> hahaha
May 09 17:25:32 <mdp> that would be handy..two places I've been still do manual scoring..but not large gatherings
May 09 17:25:46 <[1]segfault> mdp, it's designed for huge matches
May 09 17:25:50 <[1]segfault> like 300+ shooters
May 09 17:25:50 <mdp> right
May 09 17:25:57 <_av500_> mdp: is there a daily score for downtown LA?
May 09 17:25:59 <mdp> like the state championships
May 09 17:26:08 <[1]segfault> regionals, and also hopefully nationals
May 09 17:26:10 <_av500_> on a big billboard
May 09 17:26:16 <[1]segfault> it's got the rulebook built into it pretty much
May 09 17:26:34 <bradfa> where's mranostay when we start talking about violence?
May 09 17:26:43 <ketas> hmm
May 09 17:26:51 <[1]segfault> I'm able to get > 100 page requests per second out of it
May 09 17:27:02 <[1]segfault> so im sure it can handle the load of a few hundred mobile devices
May 09 17:27:07 <mdp> a friend that does 3 gun says one of the guys doing scoring sw for that has made decent money
May 09 17:27:10 <[1]segfault> plus the scoring
May 09 17:27:11 <mdp> so many niches out there
May 09 17:27:19 <ketas> bradfa: mranostay is violent?
May 09 17:27:19 <[1]segfault> the major one is dead
May 09 17:27:25 <[1]segfault> beachbunny was the major software
May 09 17:27:27 <bradfa> ketas, sometimes...
May 09 17:27:37 <[1]segfault> we are about to release it :D
May 09 17:27:38 <ketas> bradfa: why?
May 09 17:27:41 <panto> mranostay, violent?
May 09 17:27:42 <mdp> _av500_, I think there is somewhat of a "score" for LA
May 09 17:27:58 <[1]segfault> it was used at the 2012 texas state match
May 09 17:28:00 <bradfa> mranostay used to live in a violent place, he and I have pissing contents on who's city was more violent
May 09 17:28:01 <panto> has the definition of violence changed recently? :)
May 09 17:28:01 <ketas> bradfa: like how, pulling heads of kittens?
May 09 17:28:09 <[1]segfault> set some records for how fast scoring was done after shooters were finished shooting
May 09 17:28:16 <ketas> bradfa: s/of/off/
May 09 17:28:18 <bradfa> panto, yes, did you not get the email?
May 09 17:28:24 <bradfa> part of gsoc
May 09 17:28:47 <ketas> [1]segfault: how does the hw look for this?
May 09 17:28:54 <bradfa> reader is going away and google redefined "violence" to be the act of thumbs-upping on FAcebook
May 09 17:30:41 <[1]segfault> ketas, what do you mean?
May 09 17:39:26 <[1]segfault> so you think i'd get a discount if I ordered 100 BBB?
May 09 17:39:46 <malcom2073> BBB supercomputer? :-D
May 09 17:39:52 <[1]segfault> inventory
May 09 17:39:57 <malcom2073> Oh heh
May 09 17:39:58 <[1]segfault> i use them as appliances
May 09 17:39:59 <[1]segfault> lol
May 09 17:40:09 <bradfa> [1]segfault, yes, contact cco
May 09 17:40:12 <Spirilis> I think I read they prefer folks buying in bulk contact circuitco directly ;)
May 09 17:40:23 <[1]segfault> i'll keep that in mind
May 09 17:40:24 <[1]segfault> :D
May 09 17:40:47 <[1]segfault> cause there are a few components on here i could do without
May 09 17:40:48 <[1]segfault> too
May 09 17:40:52 <[1]segfault> for my purposes
May 09 17:40:58 <bradfa> [1]segfault, they can handle no-poping
May 09 17:41:14 <Spirilis> that is pretty cool.
May 09 17:41:25 <bradfa> [1]segfault, best way is to send a modified bom and rework instructions, if you have any of those
May 09 17:41:35 <bradfa> they can do credit card or POs
May 09 17:41:37 <Spirilis> do they usually need some reasonable minimum order for that work, like 100?  or is it more like 1000?
May 09 17:41:47 <bradfa> I've done 20 units once
May 09 17:41:55 <Spirilis> nice
May 09 17:42:08 <bradfa> a 50 unit order in process now
May 09 17:42:10 <bradfa> for whites
May 09 17:42:29 <bradfa> as long as some lead time is OK for you, it's worth it
May 09 17:42:48 <Spirilis> parts-wise, do you take the existing BOM published somewhere & remove what you don't need then explain which components aren't being populated?
May 09 17:42:52 <bradfa> ask for "white label"
May 09 17:43:00 <[1]segfault> cause i'd leave off the USB A port, hdmi port, the 46pin headers and such
May 09 17:43:04 <bradfa> Spirilis, yes
May 09 17:43:25 <[1]segfault> ditch the power button
May 09 17:43:35 <bradfa> [1]segfault, my whites have no USB, no power connector, different boot resistor settings, cut trace, and green-wire rework
May 09 17:43:48 <bradfa> so what ever you want, ask
May 09 17:43:55 <[1]segfault> that's cool
May 09 17:44:05 <[1]segfault> i didn't know they'd do that for quantities under like 1000
May 09 17:44:10 <Spirilis> yeah
May 09 17:44:13 <bradfa> asking is a wonderful thing :)
May 09 17:44:26 <[1]segfault> can i also give them an image to flash onto the eMMC?
May 09 17:44:37 <bradfa> if you buy with no changes I think the prices are lower than if you want customizations
May 09 17:44:38 <[1]segfault> or is that done by a 3rd party that puts angstrom on there
May 09 17:44:53 <bradfa> [1]segfault, I don't know about eMMC changes, I assume so but they'll tell you waht the impacts to that are
May 09 17:45:09 <[1]segfault> well i would figure leaving off components could reduce the price since that's what i'd be doing mostly
May 09 17:45:14 <bradfa> [1]segfault, cco does the assembly and test and load of image
May 09 17:45:27 <bradfa> [1]segfault, it depends, some components are required so the bones can go through final test
May 09 17:45:34 <bradfa> then they hand remove the ones you don't want
May 09 17:45:49 <bradfa> unless you're willing to come up with a different test fixture, no-popping isn't necessarily cheaper
May 09 17:46:00 <Spirilis> ahh makes sense
May 09 17:46:13 <SpeedEvil> plus, setting up the machines to leave off parts takes time
May 09 17:46:20 <bradfa> for example, to test Ethernet and USB, the white test fixture used (maybe still does?) have a USB to Ethernet adapter so USB headers had to stay on for testing
May 09 17:46:40 <bradfa> SpeedEvil, true
May 09 17:47:03 <SpeedEvil> and some of the components are basically free in volume
May 09 17:47:43 <bradfa> bob smith or bridget harris are the two I mostly talk with, bridget for quotes, bob for technical and mfg questions
May 09 17:48:09 <bradfa> ask for a quote, list your desires, they'll work with you
May 09 17:48:45 <[1]segfault> bim so writing down all of this information
May 09 17:49:21 <bradfa> sales@circuitco.com
May 09 17:49:22 <[1]segfault> come to think of it, the microhdmi could be useful
May 09 17:49:32 <bradfa> they will do quick turn pcb and assembly, too
May 09 17:49:33 <[1]segfault> stream statistics to a big ol screen
May 09 17:49:35 <ds2> it isn't that complicated to build it yourself
May 09 17:49:48 <ds2> plenty of manfactures in the market to deal with that
May 09 17:51:21 <SpeedEvil> the board is costly to get made in small quantities
May 09 17:51:38 <SpeedEvil> 6/8 layer boards are annoyingly spendy
May 09 17:51:50 <bradfa> anyone here have schematics and BOM for the chipsee SOM335x?
May 09 17:52:40 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/opensourcehw.txt
May 09 17:52:45 <SpeedEvil> is related,
May 09 17:53:12 <SpeedEvil> a post on why open source hardware is differnet from software
May 09 17:53:19 <ds2> for the bone it isn't that bad
May 09 17:53:32 <ds2> BBC and BBX is more of an issue
May 09 17:53:36 <SpeedEvil> if you start out with a good design, it's lots easier
May 09 17:53:48 <ds2> as long as you're not talking about like 10 or 20 at a time
May 09 18:06:48 <Pete__> evening
May 09 18:08:13 <bradfa> ugt says it's morning for you, Pete__  :)
May 09 18:09:08 <Pete__> 7pm here in the UK :)
May 09 18:10:05 <Pete__> Has anyone built the argstrom kernel for BBB on here?
May 09 18:11:00 <jkroon_> Whats the purpose of the "power-gpio" OF attribute specified in the section for the am33xx-tilcdc driver ?
May 09 18:12:14 <m_billybob> Pete__ a couple have im attempting it myself right now
May 09 18:12:41 <m_billybob> couldnt get the ti-hw-bringup-image to "compile" though
May 09 18:13:44 <Pete__> I have the systemd-image building no problem but I beleive the version on the board is the cloud9-gnome-image and I don't know how to build that as if I use that as the target I get build errors
May 09 18:15:49 <m_billybob> Pete__ yeah thats what happened to me with ti-hw-bringup-image
May 09 18:16:12 <m_billybob> building systemmd-image right now, as in for the last two days so far lol
May 09 18:16:26 <m_billybob> but my development system is in a vm so ...
May 09 18:16:46 <Pete__> Yeah I run ubuntu in vitualbox
May 09 18:16:55 <m_billybob> debian is vb here
May 09 18:16:59 <m_billybob> retty much the same
May 09 18:17:06 <m_billybob> pretty much*
May 09 18:17:41 <m_billybob> Pete__, levi has done some work with oe, perhaps he may be able to answer your question when hes around
May 09 18:17:47 <m_billybob> im sure theres others here too
May 09 18:23:42 <Pete__> Well someone must have built it lol
May 09 18:24:01 <levi> What errors do you get?
May 09 18:24:42 <remmy_> Pete__: I'm having trouble building the kernel as well
May 09 18:25:17 <levi> I built systemd-image just fine, which includes the kernel. I haven't tried ti-hw-bringup-image
May 09 18:26:27 <remmy_> levi: did you use the beagle kernel repo?
May 09 18:26:34 <Pete__> systemd-image builds fine
May 09 18:27:01 <levi> I used the Angstrom tools with the meta-beagleboard repository, yes.
May 09 18:27:06 <Pete__> I followed the instructions at the bottom of http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
May 09 18:27:32 <levi> Pete__: Right, but what error do you get when building the cloud9 images?
May 09 18:27:51 <travisgriggs> i just got a black. not having a lot of luck with the "Getting started" page though...
May 09 18:27:58 <remmy_> Ok, I was attempting to build https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 but ran into errors
May 09 18:28:31 <travisgriggs> is there somewhere i can fetch a fresh up to date 4G SD card image?
May 09 18:28:55 <levi> remmy_: How were you building it?
May 09 18:29:35 <woglinde> there are only emmc updates
May 09 18:29:38 <woglinde> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.08.img.xz
May 09 18:30:34 <Pete__> I need to try and catch the errors starting but I'm seeing errors building fcfreetype.c
May 09 18:30:55 <Pete__> cant scroll up any higher in the terminal too see the first error
May 09 18:31:04 <travisgriggs> woglinde: i'm fine going cardless and using onboard flash. so dl that and then…?
May 09 18:31:20 <woglinde> travisgriggs sorry no Idea
May 09 18:31:30 <woglinde> just unpack it
May 09 18:31:32 <levi> Pete__: All the build commands are logged, and it by default stops after the first failed recipe (though if there are others already going concurrently, they will finish after the first failure).
May 09 18:31:39 <woglinde> maybee its all inside
May 09 18:31:58 <woglinde> Pete__ oe leaves you nice logs
May 09 18:32:07 <woglinde> just read the console output
May 09 18:32:13 <levi> The eMMC flasher is designed to go on a card. You boot from that card, and it flashes the image onto the eMMC automatically.
May 09 18:32:48 <levi> Pete__: The last bit of the console output should say where the log is.
May 09 18:33:12 <travisgriggs> i just want to figure out how to power up this thing, so i can ssh into it
May 09 18:33:37 <travisgriggs> the whole drivers and webserver bit didn't work out so well (and i don't care either)
May 09 18:33:51 <levi> travisgriggs: Does it not power up when you use the included USB cable to plug it into your computer?
May 09 18:34:06 <ptan> cool... I got mjpg-streamer working on BBB 2.9% cpu usage only!
May 09 18:34:32 <ptan> 640x480 logitech c600 webcam
May 09 18:34:38 <levi> Nice.
May 09 18:35:16 <travisgriggs> it does. but the "blinking" doesn't occur as documented. i've got a steady power light. and a steady user LED 2 (none of the other user LEDs are lit)
May 09 18:35:32 <travisgriggs> i have no sdcard in it currently
May 09 18:36:19 <levi> Shouldn't need an sdcard. Have you changed anything yet? Installed software, flashed a new image, etc.?
May 09 18:36:24 <travisgriggs> no
May 09 18:36:42 <travisgriggs> only place i installed stuff was on my MBP (the ftd/serial drivers)
May 09 18:37:04 <remmy_> levi: well...i've discovered the problem: gitconfig autocrlf = the devil
May 09 18:38:05 <travisgriggs> does the eth0 (i assume the ethernet jack maps to that) come up with a predefined ip address?
May 09 18:38:18 <levi> travisgriggs: No, it does DHCP.
May 09 18:38:40 <levi> travisgriggs: But avahi is installed, so it should fallback to a link-local address discoverable via zeroconf.
May 09 18:38:54 <travisgriggs> how would i ssh into it?
May 09 18:39:30 <levi> travisgriggs: It should advertise an ssh service via zeroconf. I assume you've got some sort of a zeroconf/bonjour browser on your MBP.
May 09 18:39:51 <levi> It would come up with the name beaglebone.local, though, so you could just ssh to that.
May 09 18:40:12 <levi> Assuming it's booting far enough for all this software to have loaded.
May 09 18:40:33 <levi> Which does seem unlikely considering the LEDs are not blinking.
May 09 18:40:55 <levi> You might look in the SRM to see if the LED pattern you're seeing is documented. I can't remember if it is.
May 09 18:41:15 <travisgriggs> SRM?
May 09 18:41:29 <levi> The Beaglebone Black System Reference Manual.
May 09 18:41:50 <levi> You can download it from beagleboard.org, since you can't pull it off the Beaglebone itself right now.
May 09 18:44:20 <[1]segfault> travisgriggs, do you have an SD card in the sd card slot that doesn't have a kernel or anything on it?
May 09 18:44:47 <levi> He said he didn't.
May 09 18:44:58 <[1]segfault> o, i cant read apparently
May 09 18:45:06 <travisgriggs> nope. i'll read the srm during lunch and check back
May 09 18:45:11 <travisgriggs> thx
May 09 18:48:44 <Pete__> I get this at the end of the build /home/pete/angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/openembedded-core/meta/recipes-graphics/fontconfig/fontconfig-native_2.9.0.bb, do_compile
May 09 18:49:17 <Pete__> Sorry that should be after Summary: 1 task failed
May 09 18:49:23 <koen> Pete__: don't use ubuntu
May 09 18:49:33 <Pete__> why not?
May 09 18:49:46 <levi> Ubuntu works with OE for me.
May 09 18:50:07 <thurgood> doesn't have bb black support yet, does it?
May 09 18:50:27 <koen> Pete__: most common cause of build problems
May 09 18:50:29 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/STZnKQ
May 09 18:50:29 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 0403e41 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add support for rs232 cape...
May 09 18:50:45 <Pete__> Ubuntu works running MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake systemd-image but not MACHINE=beaglebone ./oebb.sh bitbake cloud9-gnome-image
May 09 18:50:55 <koen> and it fails in a -native recipe
May 09 18:51:00 <thurgood> oh, as the host...
May 09 18:51:03 <koen> which means a problem with your buildhost
May 09 18:51:22 <levi> Probably a more recent version than things have been tested with.
May 09 18:51:25 <remmy_> koen: is that the beagleboardtoys cape? I have their canbus cape I'm trying to get to work
May 09 18:51:49 <Pete__> what do you mean -native recipe?
May 09 18:52:27 <levi> Pete__: The recipe is fontconfig-native_2.9.0.bb, which means it's building a piece of software for your development machine rather than the target machine.
May 09 18:52:37 <Pete__> ERROR: Task 7860 (/home/pete/angstrom/setup-scripts/sources/openembedded-core/meta/recipes-graphics/fontconfig/fontconfig-native_2.9.0.bb, do_compile) failed with exit code '1'
May 09 18:52:47 <koen> remmy_: write a dtbo for it and it should work
May 09 18:52:53 <Pete__> its for the BB
May 09 18:53:15 * koen points to what levi said
May 09 18:53:25 <levi> Pete__: OE builds a complete toolchain, then uses that to build the target code.
May 09 18:54:06 <levi> Something in the target recipes requires that you have a functioning fontconfig in your cross-toolchain.
May 09 18:54:07 <Pete__> but it doesn't need font support in the systems-image build?
May 09 18:54:08 <remmy_> koen: Ok...sorry I have no idea how to do that.  :P  Know a good resource to learn?
May 09 18:54:21 <levi> Pete__: Apparently not.
May 09 18:54:39 <levi> I don't know why it would, since systemd-image has no graphics support.
May 09 18:54:53 <Pete__> ah good point, gnome
May 09 18:55:08 <Pete__> ok so how best do I fix this issue?
May 09 18:55:23 <Pete__> complete newbie with linux
May 09 18:55:28 <koen> 20:49 < koen> Pete__: don't use ubuntu
May 09 18:55:58 <levi> Ubuntu works fine, as long as you use a version supported by OE. :P
May 09 18:56:43 <Pete__> I'm using 12.04lte I think it is
May 09 18:56:45 <koen> yeah, what do I know about it
May 09 18:56:59 * koen coughs
May 09 18:57:07 <levi> Well, Ubuntu *should* work fine anyway. :P
May 09 18:57:13 <Pete__> OK so what if not ubuntu?
May 09 18:57:28 <koen> fedora 16 and 18 work great
May 09 18:57:29 <Pete__> Or which ubuntu works
May 09 18:57:42 <Pete__> ok fedora is worth a try
May 09 18:58:10 <koen> angstrom autobuilders run fedora
May 09 18:58:15 <koen> my build machines run fedora
May 09 18:58:18 <koen> so that works
May 09 18:58:37 <koen> and every time a customer says "I have problems building" it was solved by not using ubuntu
May 09 18:58:44 <koen> so it might work fine
May 09 18:58:53 <koen> but that's not what I'm seeing
May 09 18:59:22 <koen> gentoo, arch, mageia also work fine
May 09 18:59:24 <koen> as does debian
May 09 18:59:45 <levi> koen: Arch does not work, at least not without finding and adding patches.
May 09 19:00:17 * koen tracks down the guy saying "I use arch for builds and it works!" to kick him where it hurts
May 09 19:00:28 <Bicster> what's OE?
May 09 19:00:35 <levi> Well, Arch is a moving target, so maybe it worked when he said it.
May 09 19:00:45 <koen> Bicster: a buildsystem
May 09 19:00:54 <Bicster> ty koen
May 09 19:01:41 <levi> The OE-core/Yocto stuff works fine in Ubuntu, but I guess Angstrom doesn't extend their distro support as widely as Yocto does.
May 09 19:01:56 <koen> angstrom is yocto certified
May 09 19:02:09 <levi> Shouldn't be, if it breaks in Ubuntu.
May 09 19:02:21 <levi> Or at least it should have some bugs filed against it.
May 09 19:02:30 <koen> and yocto is't a buildsystem
May 09 19:02:35 <koen> it's an umbrella project
May 09 19:02:47 <levi> I know what Yocto is.
May 09 19:03:08 <Pete__> So which would you use fedora 16 or 18?
May 09 19:03:22 <koen> you conflated it with angstrom, so apparently you don't know what it is
May 09 19:03:40 <levi> I did not conflate it with angstrom.
May 09 19:03:59 <koen> "but I guess Angstrom doesn't extend their distro support as widely as Yocto does"
May 09 19:04:34 <levi> The Yocto project maintains the Poky distro and OE-Core stuff.
May 09 19:04:41 <levi> Or co-maintains, or whatever.
May 09 19:04:45 <koen> no
May 09 19:05:00 <koen> OE core is maintained by the OE community
May 09 19:05:31 <levi> Which includes the Yocto Project people.
May 09 19:05:48 <koen> partially
May 09 19:05:52 <levi> Indeed.
May 09 19:09:03 <_av500_> at some time OE/angstrom even worked in opensuse
May 09 19:09:07 <_av500_> need to try that again
May 09 19:09:19 <_av500_> but im too lazy to update my desktpo
May 09 19:14:55 <mrpackethead> whats eric Brombaugh's handle?
May 09 19:14:59 <mrpackethead> I've forgotten.
May 09 19:20:14 <Russ> emeb
May 09 19:23:53 <levi> So, looking at the Yocto Project Reference Manual, they list Ubuntu 10.04, 11.10, and 12.10 as supported along with Fedora 16-18, CentOS 5.6-6.4, Debian 6 and 7, and openSUSE 11.4-12.3. So, oddly, Ubuntu 12.04 is missing. The upcoming release will apparently support 13.04.  But of course this doesn't mean Angstrom automatically supports all that, just that the pieces in common between what Yocto maintains and what the OE and Angstrom
May 09 19:23:53 <levi> communities maintain should support them.
May 09 19:25:10 <levi> In short, you should probably do what koen says and run Fedora to build Angstrom for BBB unless you're fluent enough in the build system to fix problems that crop up.
May 09 19:25:20 <emeb> mrpackethead: looking for me?
May 09 19:25:52 <_av500_> what is the error with ubuntu?
May 09 19:26:32 <levi> _av500_: He never did quote the specific error, but it had something to do with fontconfig-native
May 09 19:27:44 <mrpackethead> emed: please see om
May 09 19:27:45 <thurgood> a lot of the native stuff can be installed through apt-get
May 09 19:42:17 <[1]segfault> I still love my busybox based OS :D
May 09 19:42:26 <[1]segfault> built an entire OS in < 20MB
May 09 19:42:44 <[1]segfault> complete with nginx,php,openvpn, and a few other little goodies
May 09 19:46:12 <Pete__> ok so fedora looks like the easiest option if virtualbox supports it
May 09 19:46:28 <jacekowski> why virtualbox when there is kvm?
May 09 19:46:45 <travisgriggs> i've read all of the led references in the black's SRM. none of them say exactly what may be the problem. my board does go through what looks like a bootup sequence (the led's flash betwixt a number of states), but it comes to rest with LED2 being the only lit. the SRM says this an activity monitor, indicating non-idle kernel activity. i also note that it DOES not show up as usb drive to my mbp.
May 09 19:47:11 <travisgriggs> so… are there instructions somewhere that describe how to reset it to it's intended state?
May 09 19:47:29 <jacekowski> BB?
May 09 19:47:43 <jacekowski> have you checked the serial port?
May 09 19:48:40 <Pete__> because I found virtualbox first
May 09 19:48:52 <Pete__> but it supports fedora 7-15 :(
May 09 20:01:27 <wmat> jkridner: you going to make beagle-alpha read only soon?
May 09 20:02:09 <mdp> move this thing to beta test
May 09 20:02:53 <mru> release the hounds
May 09 20:02:59 <wmat> heh, perhaps alpha-beta
May 09 20:03:26 <panto> g'night
May 09 20:04:38 <levi> travisgriggs: You might try booting with it plugged into a USB charger instead of your laptop.
May 09 20:07:11 <bradfa> heh, 2 GiB of ram with no swap is not quite enough...
May 09 20:07:27 * bradfa is trying to learn angstrom, feels it will be time worth spending
May 09 20:08:41 <mru> 8GB is the bare minimum I'd consider for a laptop these days
May 09 20:09:02 <bradfa> laptop is 7 years old
May 09 20:09:02 <mru> for a machine doing actual work you need more still
May 09 20:09:18 <bradfa> work laptop has 8 GB
May 09 20:09:46 <bradfa> and work laptop is only 1.5 years old, or so
May 09 20:10:13 <mru> my old laptop has 8GB
May 09 20:10:21 <bradfa> mail it to me
May 09 20:10:36 <mru> workstation has 24
May 09 20:10:44 <mru> board can't take more
May 09 20:10:55 <levi> I wouldn't say you *need* more than 8 to do work, but it's worth it for how cheap it is.
May 09 20:11:17 <bradfa> depends on what counts as work :)
May 09 20:11:35 <bradfa> work laptop has 8 GB, 6 GB currently free
May 09 20:11:35 <mru> when I doubled my workstation from 12 to 24 I noticed a huge improvement
May 09 20:11:39 <levi> Yeah, there are some pretty demanding tools out there.
May 09 20:11:42 <bradfa> no swap
May 09 20:11:45 <mru> uptime?
May 09 20:12:06 <bradfa>   16:11:58 up 3 days,  7:52,  6 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.11, 0.40
May 09 20:12:43 <mru> depending on the variety of things you do, that might not be enough to fill the caches
May 09 20:12:56 * bradfa is not demanding
May 09 20:13:17 <bradfa> arch is going on work laptop rsn
May 09 20:13:49 <bradfa> and bones will be running something OE created rsn, too
May 09 20:14:05 <levi> I regret putting Arch on my work laptop.
May 09 20:14:25 <bradfa> levi, why?
May 09 20:14:27 <bradfa> before I do it
May 09 20:14:28 <bradfa> :)
May 09 20:14:59 <bradfa> 7 year old 2 GB core2duo home laptop is attempting to see if "angstrom won't build on arch" was correct or not right now
May 09 20:15:45 <levi> Well, I ran it yesterday and had to patch two or three -native packages to get it to build due to the new gcc in Arch.
May 09 20:16:11 <bradfa> isn't arch gcc based off a linaro patchset?
May 09 20:16:35 * bradfa is new to arch, too
May 09 20:17:15 <levi> I dunno what it's based on, but it's gcc 4.8, which is pretty new.
May 09 20:17:26 <bradfa> gcc never breaks anything :)
May 09 20:17:45 <mru> 4.8 is a remarkably good release
May 09 20:18:40 <bradfa> apparently my 2 GB of ram was 148 bytes shy of what was needed, adding some swap helped
May 09 20:18:48 <Pete__> ok found the log file ( we have a newborn so only get small snippets of time )
May 09 20:18:52 <mru> but I wouldn't use it as my primary compiler until it hits .3 or so
May 09 20:19:11 <levi> I don't doubt it, but some warning behavior change caused the problems I had to patch around.
May 09 20:19:17 <Pete__> compiling fcfreetype.o
May 09 20:19:51 <Pete__> In file included from fcftint.h:26:0,                  from fcfreetype.c:48: ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:28:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME> ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:36:10: error: unknown type name 'FT_UInt' ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:37:22: error: unknown type name 'FT_Face' ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:40:30: error: unknown type name 'FT_Face' ../fontconfig/fcfreetype.h:43:20: error: unknown type name 'FT_Face' ..
May 09 20:19:59 <mru> gcc 4.8 is more aggressive at breaking code with undefined behaviour
May 09 20:20:05 <Pete__> that's the first lot, there's loads more after
May 09 20:21:08 <bradfa> mru, I'd consider that a good thing if I didn't rely on existing code :)
May 09 20:21:16 <mru> of course it's a good thing
May 09 20:21:47 <mru> the reason is that it's more aggressive with optimisations assuming well-behaved code
May 09 20:22:43 <bradfa> that's good to hear
May 09 20:24:10 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i've never seen gcc do something undefined...unless my code was "undefined", per the standards.
May 09 20:24:22 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but, if you're not writing to the c++ standards, you're not writing c++!
May 09 20:24:47 <mru> I've seen many bugs in gcc
May 09 20:25:00 <josh> Amen
May 09 20:25:09 <levi> I've seen a few in obscure architectures.
May 09 20:25:21 <travisgriggs> levi: tried the wall charger. same result.
May 09 20:25:27 <mru> levi: like x86 and arm
May 09 20:25:44 <levi> mru: I believe you; I just haven't seen them there.
May 09 20:25:56 <levi> I was using the nios2 gcc many years ago.
May 09 20:26:03 <mru> they tend to get fixed quicker
May 09 20:26:03 <travisgriggs> so i've got the latest ec flasher dl'ed. do i dd this onto a sdcard, put it in, and reboot it?
May 09 20:26:18 <travisgriggs> there aren't any instructions about what to do with the image :(
May 09 20:26:24 <travisgriggs> (that i could find)
May 09 20:27:10 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> travisgriggs: once you figure it out, write some for the sake of me in two weeks!
May 09 20:27:15 <mru> I know of bugs in the parisc backend that have been there since 4.3
May 09 20:27:23 <levi> Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what you're supposed to do.
May 09 20:27:59 <bradfa> in angstrom, eglibc fails to compile on arch, so that's good to know
May 09 20:28:18 <bradfa> debian squeeze has no issue past that point (so far)
May 09 20:28:33 <Mode-M_> the omap35x from the beagleboard Cx does not have a armv7 floating point unit, right?
May 09 20:28:38 <bradfa> er, I should read
May 09 20:28:40 <bradfa> binutils
May 09 20:28:43 <bradfa> not eglibc
May 09 20:28:49 <mru> Mode-M_: sure it does
May 09 20:28:51 <levi> bradfa: Yup.
May 09 20:29:03 <levi> bradfa: Told you. :)
May 09 20:29:21 <bradfa> levi, :P
May 09 20:29:34 <Mode-M_> mru: vfpuv3 or sth. like that. i recall..
May 09 20:29:35 <bradfa> so arch not going on work laptop
May 09 20:29:49 <mru> it has vfpv3 and neon
May 09 20:29:50 <levi> If you google the error line, it will lead you to some patches that have already been written to fix them.
May 09 20:29:56 <bradfa> guess I'll distupgrade to wheezy then...
May 09 20:30:25 <bradfa> arch was more of an experiement for me, I like the concept, though
May 09 20:30:49 <bradfa> work laptop may just stay on squeeze for a while longer, as an option, too
May 09 20:31:17 <levi> I have mostly liked it so far, it's just a bit too "cutting edge" for work use I think.
May 09 20:31:33 <bradfa> levi, but that could be a good thing, depending on what "work" means
May 09 20:31:34 <Mode-M_> mru that means i can use a toolchain with arm-linux-gnueabihf?
May 09 20:31:44 <mru> Mode-M_: yes, that will work fine
May 09 20:31:57 <Mode-M_> thanks
May 09 20:33:23 <levi> bradfa: Unless "work" is supporting some software on Arch, it's mostly just a time-sink.
May 09 20:34:46 <bradfa> levi, fair enough :)
May 09 20:35:09 <bradfa> maybe home laptop will go back to sysvinit...
May 09 20:36:09 <mru> sysvinit is awesome
May 09 20:36:09 <levi> I am anxious to move my poky-based image at work to systemd.
May 09 20:38:28 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so what's up with all the systemd hate/drama the internet tells me about?
May 09 20:38:34 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it seems nice to me.
May 09 20:38:46 <levi> 1) People don't like change
May 09 20:38:46 <mru> it's lennartware
May 09 20:38:52 <mru> levi: wrong
May 09 20:38:53 <levi> 2) People don't like Lennart Pottering
May 09 20:39:02 <mru> sane people avoid change for change's sake
May 09 20:39:13 <mru> and they avoid lennart because he's an asshole
May 09 20:39:32 <levi> Well, clearly mru is on the systemd-hating side of the argument.
May 09 20:39:51 <mru> systemd probably "works" in lennart's little corner of the universe
May 09 20:40:05 <mru> but he's completely ignorant of people with needs different from his
May 09 20:40:21 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> lol. just googled "lennart is an asshole"...many hits.
May 09 20:40:30 <woglinde> *g*
May 09 20:40:47 <bradfa> I'm not against sytemd I just haven't gotten to the point where I'm saying to myself "sysvinit sucks for very good reasons"
May 09 20:40:58 <woglinde> mru where can I find the reboot sequenz in the kernel for an arm arch?
May 09 20:41:00 <bradfa> so I am hesitant to embrace something that fixes sysvinit
May 09 20:41:15 <mru> if it ain't broke, don't fix it
May 09 20:41:15 <woglinde> I need to call it from a driver
May 09 20:41:24 <mru> woglinde: no idea
May 09 20:41:26 <woglinde> to see whats going wrong
May 09 20:41:35 <woglinde> with android_ram_console
May 09 20:41:35 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ok. he's an arse.
May 09 20:41:37 <woglinde> hm hm
May 09 20:42:04 <woglinde> anyone else?
May 09 20:42:59 * bradfa 's work laptop needs more cpu
May 09 20:43:10 <woglinde> *sigh* google finds only boot
May 09 20:43:10 <bradfa> oh how I wish I had a workstation...
May 09 20:43:15 <woglinde> but I want reboot
May 09 20:43:34 <bradfa> woglinde, is reboot not just shutdown but with a reset pull at the end?
May 09 20:44:01 <woglinde> hm yes but I have to find it
May 09 20:44:27 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bradfa: all philosophical. nice.
May 09 20:45:37 * bradfa is philosophical!
May 09 20:46:56 <woglinde> hrms kernel documentation outdated here
May 09 20:47:35 <woglinde> hm okay its only me ranting
May 09 20:47:50 <travisgriggs> anyone know what i do with the eMMC flasher image i dl'ed ?
May 09 20:47:56 <travisgriggs> (for the black)
May 09 20:48:03 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> stick it in a hat and put it on your head.
May 09 20:48:40 <woglinde> hm arm_pm_restart could it be
May 09 20:54:19 <bradfa> levi, well, arch is still not a bad distro, I could always just setup a chroot of a stable distro
May 09 20:55:18 <PRU_EVTOUT_2|POO> hey woglinde, where is this stuff you're looking at. i haven't dug that deep, but it looks interesting.
May 09 20:58:14 <Spirilis> lol I'm gonna do something silly, have my 2nd BBBlack reflash to the 5/8 image off a USB power pack on the way home from work
May 09 20:58:28 <Spirilis> it has a 1A output so we'll see how it performs
May 09 21:00:47 <levi> bradfa: That'd probably work fine.
May 09 21:01:00 <PRU_EVTOUT_2|POO> has anyone been to maker faire before?
May 09 21:10:40 <levi> No, but I've been to some local maker gatherings/groups.
May 09 21:11:17 <PRU_EVTOUT_2|POO> are they full of stinky dreadlocked steampunkers, or are there clean people there too?
May 09 21:11:41 <levi> Heh. Everyone I met was pretty clean.
May 09 21:12:25 <levi> Mostly interested in doing cool electronics projects, not so much steampunk or whatever.
May 09 21:13:16 <mru> steampunk is art, it doesn't actually work
May 09 21:13:29 <mru> and most of it isn't even steampunk
May 09 21:13:49 <levi> I think we're all aware of that.
May 09 21:15:18 <mru> http://youtu.be/TFCuE5rHbPA
May 09 21:20:43 <yoyodyn> just got our beagleboard-xm and LCD7 back from RMA (bad memory apparently)  But now the LCD just stays white.  before we sent it off it would show orange and the a beagleboard screen.  reloaded an SD card with the angstrom image from the wiki site.
May 09 21:20:49 <yoyodyn> any suggestions?
May 09 21:21:12 <yoyodyn> serial console shows the system booting up and gets to login.
May 09 21:21:21 <PRU_EVTOUT_2|POO> mru: absolutely great!!!!!
May 09 21:22:58 <levi> Heh, very nice.
May 09 21:25:29 <levi> yoyodyn: Have you tried logging in and checking if any graphical programs are running?
May 09 21:29:18 <yoyodyn> would gnome-session qualify?
May 09 21:29:42 <levi> Probably, assuming X is going on somewhere.
May 09 21:30:32 <yoyodyn> this -> /usr/bin/X :0 -br -verbose -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-f
May 09 21:30:43 <mru> that's the X server
May 09 21:32:16 <yoyodyn> is that not what levi asked about?
May 09 21:33:29 <yoyodyn> also have metacity running
May 09 21:34:19 <levi> Are there any log messages from the X server indicating an error? They can be found in /var/log
May 09 21:44:56 <yoyodyn> http://pastebin.com/GKHxA2Zi
May 09 21:49:26 <levi> Hmm. It seems to think things are fine on that end. I don't have any experience with the LCD7, so I'm not sure what to tell you.
May 09 21:54:00 <yoyodyn> thanks for looking
May 09 21:57:37 <samch> hello
May 09 21:57:51 <samch> i am disappointen with beaglebone black
May 09 21:58:02 <malcom2073> That's unfortunate.
May 09 21:58:08 <malcom2073> Did you try to play 1080p video with it?
May 09 21:58:15 <samch> now i know that the dma don´t works
May 09 21:58:18 <malcom2073> That seems to lead to dissapointment with a lot of people
May 09 21:58:39 <levi> What are you trying to do with the dma?
May 09 21:59:06 <vinay_> hi
May 09 21:59:26 <samch> conect a webcam
May 09 21:59:34 <samch> only a simple hd webcam
May 09 21:59:42 <samch> with uvc drivers
May 09 21:59:46 <vinay_> can ubuntu be installed on the beaglebone black's onboard flash
May 09 21:59:49 <vinay_> ?
May 09 22:00:13 <samch> and don´t work
May 09 22:00:18 <samch> only in low resolution
May 09 22:00:51 <samch> anything of this chat can conect a hd cam?
May 09 22:01:09 <samch> ezequiel
May 09 22:01:10 <levi> That's not a very clear description of the problem, or how dma is broken.
May 09 22:01:11 <samch> tu por aqui
May 09 22:01:50 <samch> levi, the picture take with beaglebone black are corrupt
May 09 22:02:15 <samch> i read in forum that is a problem of DMA
May 09 22:02:41 <ezequielgarcia> samch: who are you?
May 09 22:04:21 <samch> Tarbes
May 09 22:05:22 <ezequielgarcia> i think i don't remember you, sorry. perhaps you're confusing me with somebody else? i'm from argentina.
May 09 22:05:37 <samch> vale
May 09 22:05:39 <samch> entonces nada
May 09 22:05:54 <samch> sabes tu algo de beaglebone black?
May 09 22:06:32 <ezequielgarcia> nope :)
May 09 22:07:29 <levi> Well, someone earlier had got mjpeg-streamer working with a webcam. I'm not sure what was involved in getting it to work, though.
May 09 22:08:30 <ezequielgarcia> does anyone heard of beaglebone suddenly dying?
May 09 22:08:42 <ezequielgarcia> it's not the SD card, afaics
May 09 22:19:17 <samch> what does mean dying?
May 09 22:19:41 <ezequielgarcia> plug in and uart does not respond
May 09 22:19:51 <ezequielgarcia> led blinks for an instant then goes off
May 09 22:19:56 <ezequielgarcia> no led, no eth, no nothing
May 09 22:23:01 <yoyodyn> i found that if I apply some pressure to the ribbon cable, the LCD starts working.  Remove the pressure, and it goes back to white...
May 09 22:23:43 <mrpackethead> ezequielgarcia: if you drive a truck over a beaglebone it will die.
May 09 22:23:59 <ezequielgarcia> mrpackethead: really?
May 09 22:24:15 <mrpackethead> ezequielgarcia: really.
May 09 22:24:51 <ezequielgarcia> mrpackethead: i have NO idea what my colleague did to my bbone (he was plaing with it), but he's a careful guy. So that's why i'm a bit amazed.
May 09 22:27:13 <asonge> so, i've got a beaglebone black, and an audio cape, but i can't find any of the kernel modules to get the audio cape running...any hints?
May 09 22:27:37 * djlewis tries not to touch that (05:24:51) msg...
May 09 22:28:03 <rbarris> your timestamp may not be my timestamp..
May 09 22:28:28 <rbarris> but I'll guess "did to my bbone" was in it
May 09 22:29:15 <djlewis> rbarris:  (he was plaing with it), is in it.
May 09 22:30:02 <djlewis> argh.. yep, time to go for the weekend...
May 09 22:32:58 <jasonm> where do I find a list of variable names for pins for the Black? For instance in the 101 tutorial it uses 'P9_36' for one of the pins listed in the header pinout as 'AIN0' or similar
May 09 22:33:53 <mru> I'd guess that's pin 36 on connector P9
May 09 22:34:10 <mru> but that's just a guess
May 09 22:34:19 <PRU_EVTOUT_2|POO> mru: a crazy guess!
May 09 22:35:13 <mru> I could of course have looked it up, but so could he
May 09 22:35:25 <mru> so I figure he wanted a quick answer rather than an accurate one
May 09 22:35:59 <jasonm> I've gone through everything I could find on the beaglebone site and couldn't find any sort of diagram
May 09 22:36:28 <jasonm> other than the header pinout, which is apparantly not the variable names I use?
May 09 22:37:57 <jasonm> am I missing some sort of documentation that explains how to address various pins and functions more in depth then the 101 tutorial?
May 09 22:39:19 <levi> P8 and P9 are silkscreened onto the board
May 09 22:39:55 <levi> Along with the pin numbers of the pins on each corner.
May 09 22:40:24 <jasonm> cool thanks, didn't notice that
May 09 22:41:08 <ssi> levi: despite the helpful P8/P9 silkscreen, I still banged my head against the wall for hours thinking my code was busted because I was scoping the wrong header :(
May 09 22:41:22 <ssi> I just assumed that P8 would be on the left, and didn't notice the silk for awhile
May 09 22:42:09 <levi> Gotta hate it when that happens.
May 09 22:42:41 <ssi> good news was, when I finally figured out my mistake, I discovered that my code worked perfectly :D
May 09 22:42:47 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> there's also little lines that mark every 10th pin
May 09 22:44:17 <jasonm> i guess I'm still wondering is there some more in depth documentation, diagrams, variable definitions, etc...like in a PIC manual. I feel sort of in a vacuum here, like I'm not sure I would have realized the silkscreen code is what needed to be used as variable names unless someone told me, especially when their diagram has them named differently
May 09 22:45:09 <daveosx> on the bone Ubuntu LXDE installed get no screens found when startx from ssh - X any CLues
May 09 22:46:11 <daveosx> Jasonm I spent several days tracking the mux modes and the pin assignements it is in the manual although complex
May 09 22:47:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> jasonm: you're right.
May 09 22:47:37 <daveosx> The pin name assignments seem to be default mode and not all are available until you change modes
May 09 22:49:42 <jasonm> ok thx for the advice, gonna go back to reading and writing and learning (I'm too dense to figure out how to reply to private msgs on this web client, sorry!)
May 09 22:49:47 <mdp> too bad the manual doesn't just include/cite bradfa's fine consolidated table
May 09 22:50:38 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> manual needs to be on a wiki where people can actually create accounts .
May 09 22:51:09 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> or, we all need to get to work over at elinux, one of the two.
May 09 22:51:16 <mru> wikis are overrated
May 09 22:51:23 <xterm91> mdp do you still have a link to that table?
May 09 22:51:27 <jasonm> is there a link to bradfa's table?
May 09 22:51:38 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mru: so are you.
May 09 22:51:42 <levi> jasonm: There's a lot of information in TI's TRM for the AM335x: See http://www.ti.com/product/am3358/
May 09 22:52:32 <daveosx> is the new Bone Black the same pinout as old bone?
May 09 22:53:45 <levi> The first link there is the datasheet, which has a lot of information, but the 3rd link is the TRM, which has *all* the information about registers, pins, etc., or at least all the stuff they'll offer support for you using.
May 09 22:53:47 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> daveosx: yes, assuming you don't use the emmc.
May 09 22:54:22 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> emmc wipes out a bunch of pins.
May 09 22:54:48 <levi> And you have to share a bunch of them with HDMI.
May 09 22:54:57 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> oh yeah! forgot about that.
May 09 22:55:14 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> so, if you disable hdmi and emmc, pinout is the same. :)
May 09 22:55:32 <daveosx> So the memory card is now on gpio shared pins?
May 09 22:55:49 <mru> so get to work with that chisel
May 09 22:55:52 <levi> There are some caveats to doing that, though, so look it up in the SRM before you make any decisions based on it.
May 09 22:57:01 <daveosx> ANd is the video out on HDMI from a FB or is it a serial driver of some type
May 09 22:57:25 <mru> huh?
May 09 22:57:42 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> daveosx: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack cape section describes pin differences.
May 09 22:57:55 <mru> the hdmi framer is connected to the lcd output pins
May 09 22:58:08 <daveosx> can I send a frame to HDMI and then trigger io using a couple of buts for addressing external hardware?
May 09 22:58:20 <daveosx> bits
May 09 22:58:24 <mru> hm?
May 09 22:58:43 <mdp> xterm91/jasonm: https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables
May 09 22:59:00 <xterm91> thanks mdp!! Adding to my resource folder
May 09 22:59:04 <mdp> saves people time
May 09 22:59:10 <mdp> thank bradfa
May 09 22:59:19 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> bradfa: your tables don't include pru.
May 09 22:59:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> wtf.
May 09 22:59:25 <xterm91> Thanks bradfa!!
May 09 22:59:32 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> that's just straight out of reference manual!
May 09 22:59:35 <jasonm> awesome, thanks
May 09 22:59:36 <levi> daveosx: The HDMI framer is connected to the output of the LCD driver in the AM335x, IIRC.
May 09 22:59:36 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> all missing pieces and stuff.
May 09 23:01:35 <levi> As well as an i2s connection for audio.
May 09 23:03:14 <daveosx> anyone hands on and tried asterisk with the new black wondering about transcode times
May 09 23:04:40 <daveosx> Using Bones now as asterisk and vpn connectors for sip to GSM gateways ulaw is only stable with AIX
May 09 23:05:48 <daveosx> 8 channel voip to cell network remotes running off from usb internet dongles in PK
May 09 23:07:02 <daveosx> HDMI setups are for low income TV attached remote learning devices
May 09 23:09:27 <levi> Sorry, I don't know about transcode times in asterisk.
May 09 23:10:02 <mdp> PRU_EVTOUT_2: he knows...we know. somebody needs to add them and send a pull request
May 10 00:18:22 <emeb> ds2: ping
May 10 00:24:17 <ds2> emeb: pong
May 10 01:17:28 <johnnyfp> Hi, I've just received my BBB with the stock OS. IS there a way to enable SPI without the need to recompile or reinstall the OS?
May 10 01:18:06 <ppokorny> yes please.  And not just one SPI but all three or four chip selects...
May 10 01:19:54 <ppokorny> it should be possible with an alternate dtb file.
May 10 01:20:18 <johnnyfp> Ok. So Complete Linux Noob here. What's a dtb?
May 10 01:20:43 <ds2> magic scroll!
May 10 01:20:55 <johnnyfp> Is that a FEX script?
May 10 01:21:54 <ppokorny> see this post on the google group https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!category-topic/beagleboard/beaglebone-black/pf1MNKptqS0
May 10 01:22:03 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> dude, google "beaglebone enable spi"
May 10 01:22:05 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> first hit.
May 10 01:22:31 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-spi-1-0-and-1-1-with-device-tre-overlays-on-beaglebone/
May 10 01:25:35 <johnnyfp> So the answer is that I DO need to recompile the Kernel. That the Stock OS Does not included it as standard.
May 10 01:27:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it doesn't?
May 10 01:29:05 <johnnyfp> It does. Last part states "Once the kernel is rebuilt with" and then "You can upload it to" and more worryingly "and the _write_ reboot, no hitting the swedish button or you may brick it 0_o"
May 10 01:30:38 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> is it possible to brick a beaglebone? i thought it could always be reflashed.
May 10 01:31:48 <Spirilis> not sure but if there's any flash memory onboard for the bootloader, or pre-bootloader or whatever, maybe that could be in-system erased and screw it up
May 10 01:32:06 <Spirilis> but then there might be a savior in ROM or something
May 10 01:32:32 <Spirilis> like a serial BSL, some chips have it burned into rom so it can't be erased
May 10 01:32:42 <Spirilis> not sure how those sitara's work (the datasheet is huge lol)
May 10 01:33:36 <josh> It boots from address 0 of the uSD card
May 10 01:34:26 <josh> The BBB boots from address 0 of the eMMC or SD card depending on the boot parameters which can be altered by the boot button
May 10 01:34:50 <josh> No bootloader required
May 10 01:34:56 <Spirilis> yeah
May 10 01:35:02 <Spirilis> hmm, this cloud9 stuff is flaky
May 10 01:35:11 <Spirilis> half the time when I hit the play/debug button it doesn't run my code
May 10 01:35:15 <Spirilis> LEDs don't shut off
May 10 01:35:33 <Spirilis> yet I see the node --debug-brk=xxx /var/lib/cloud9/ledoff.js running
May 10 01:35:46 <Spirilis> can run it direct from CLI though and it runs
May 10 01:36:15 <Spirilis> and yet I have seen it work in cloud9 like twice
May 10 01:36:48 <Spirilis> ah, some errors in journalctl related to it
May 10 01:43:22 <Spirilis> meh gonna open a thread about it
May 10 02:00:19 <slug> Spirilis: which browser are you using?
May 10 02:00:33 <Spirilis> chrome
May 10 02:01:07 <slug> Spirilis: humm, ok. i had trouble with firefox, but most of the stuff worked with chrome. Didn't try c9 much though.
May 10 02:01:32 <Spirilis> yeah the debug thing seems to be local to the linux host
May 10 02:01:42 <Spirilis> I see something connected to the port but it's from 127.0.0.1
May 10 02:01:47 <Spirilis> so I'm doubting it's the browser
May 10 02:09:37 <didof3> Newbie + BBB = @^%R$^
May 10 02:11:04 <Genroo> Hello!
May 10 02:17:26 <adf> How to tell which version of beaglebone black that I have?
May 10 02:17:46 <adf> Hello?
May 10 02:18:57 <prpplague> adf: unless you are on a special alpha or beta test program you have production A5A
May 10 02:19:39 <prpplague> jeeze
May 10 02:20:01 <slug> prpplague: i guess he/she didn't want to really know ;)
May 10 02:20:18 <PanteraRulesYouF> How to tell which version of beaglebone black that I have?
May 10 02:20:19 <Genroo> I'm curious... I thought you had to hold down the boot button to boot off of microSD. If I have an SD inserted and I DON'T hold down the button, the thing won't boot.
May 10 02:20:30 <Genroo> o.O Really?
May 10 02:20:34 <prpplague> PanteraRulesYouF: wow
May 10 02:20:37 <prpplague> PanteraRulesYouF: nice
May 10 02:20:46 <Genroo> Maybe they just didn't like my name.
May 10 02:20:55 <slug> so, i'm getting kernel panics when trying to get a wifi usb card to work on the BBB
May 10 02:21:06 <Spirilis> lol the label is on the side of the ethernet jack
May 10 02:21:08 <Spirilis> "A5A"
May 10 02:21:09 <prpplague> PanteraRulesYouF: hey bud
May 10 02:21:19 <prpplague> what Spirilis said
May 10 02:21:26 <prpplague> <prpplague> adf: unless you are on a special alpha or beta test program you have production A5A
May 10 02:21:45 <prpplague> slug: some of the down side of attracting more arduino and raspberry pi users
May 10 02:21:46 <PanteraRulesYouF> Thanks, didn't see that sticker
May 10 02:22:18 <PanteraRulesYouF> Are you able to connect to the board using windows 7 and gateopen?
May 10 02:22:37 <PanteraRulesYouF> I keep getting ssh error, don't know how to fix.
May 10 02:22:56 <didof3> prpplague: I resemble that remark
May 10 02:23:09 <PanteraRulesYouF> hello prpplague
May 10 02:23:36 <slug> the strange thing is that sending a sysrq through the serial console gives back response, but don't see much action: "[  314.556656] SysRq : Power Off" doesn't really power down the board.
May 10 02:24:01 <Genroo> So will Android output through HDMI on the BBB, or can you only remote to it?
May 10 02:24:05 <prpplague> emeb_mac: fpga d00d
May 10 02:24:15 * prpplague jokes with emeb_mac 
May 10 02:24:33 <emeb_mac> prpplague: :)
May 10 02:24:42 <prpplague> didof3: arduino or rpi?
May 10 02:24:43 <emeb_mac> prpplague: what's new & exciting?
May 10 02:24:50 <slug> funny, sysrq b(oot) worked just fine.
May 10 02:25:05 <didof3> prpplague: Arduino
May 10 02:26:26 <prpplague> hehe lesser of two evils, hehe
May 10 02:26:48 <prpplague> didof3: you might make a good tester for our Energia support
May 10 02:26:57 <slug> anyone with luck getting the ew-7811un wifi usb card to work with the bbb without kernel panic the system?
May 10 02:27:13 <didof3> prpplague: BBB has given me a multitude of challenges. I feel Like a total Newbie here. trying to lay back and read all I can
May 10 02:27:54 <prpplague> challenge is good
May 10 02:27:56 <mdp> reading==good
May 10 02:28:15 <Genroo> Is anyone using Android?
May 10 02:28:31 <Spirilis> prpplague: how's the Energia stuff working?  is energia basically a frontend to a Linux C app with libs for doing the I/O stuff?
May 10 02:28:41 <mdp> the list is full of android questions so obviously yes
May 10 02:28:52 <prpplague> Spirilis: energia is the fork name of the stock arduino ide
May 10 02:29:09 <Spirilis> prpplague: I know that, just curious how you guys are rolling energia into the bbblack :)
May 10 02:29:11 <prpplague> Spirilis: but supports MSP430 as well as soon to be supported userspace linux
May 10 02:29:19 <prpplague> Spirilis: http://tinyurl.com/c7ozlhc
May 10 02:29:20 <Spirilis> ah k yeah, userspace linux
May 10 02:29:28 <Spirilis> neat idea
May 10 02:29:29 <Genroo> what list?
May 10 02:29:51 <PanteraRulesYouF> Anyone had luck with getting the SPI port working?
May 10 02:29:56 <mdp> Genroo: beagleboard list
May 10 02:30:00 <prpplague> Spirilis: had the generic items working literally for years, just never had enough people doing dev on it
May 10 02:30:03 <prpplague> Spirilis: https://github.com/prpplague/Energia
May 10 02:30:17 <Genroo> mdp: What is the beagleboard list?
May 10 02:30:21 <Spirilis> yep I'd say this is a critical mass use-case or hopefully soon to be :)
May 10 02:30:35 <mdp> prpplague: now to finish it! :)
May 10 02:30:49 <Rickta59> if i had a BBB i could crank that out
May 10 02:30:56 <mdp> Genroo: go to the website .. link there
May 10 02:31:41 <Genroo> mdp: Oh no, I know it's available, I was just asking if anyone here was using it.
May 10 02:36:04 <Genroo> Shoot, guess not. Thanks though, mdp.
May 10 02:38:02 <didof3> D/L ing Energia now
May 10 02:39:50 <WingerRocks> Can I ask a asking thingy?
May 10 02:40:18 <prpplague> WingerRocks: asking thingies are fun, ask many of them
May 10 02:40:38 <prpplague> WingerRocks: when you are tired of asking, then we will give answer thingies
May 10 02:40:45 <prpplague> WingerRocks: until we are tired of those
May 10 02:52:01 <treemonkie> I have a Beaglebone Black that stopped working after doing an `opkg update` (not showing up on USB... boots sometimes, but keyboard wont work), so I decided to reinstall from microsd. However I can't seem to boot from the microsd card using the "boot" button... the power light lights up, but nothing happens after that. (NOTE: I am using a 16GB microsd -- does that matter?)
May 10 02:54:56 <didof3>  treemonkie: try booting with a power supply (Not powered from USB) unplug everything else. Also use the latest Image
May 10 02:56:02 <didof3> treemonkie: I am using 	BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.08.img.xz
May 10 02:58:12 <testqwee> does open gate work with windows 7?  I can't ssh into Bbb using putty either.  any ideas"?
May 10 02:58:23 <treemonkie> Where can I get that image? http://beagleboard.org/latest-images/ lists something older
May 10 02:59:03 <didof3> treemonkie: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/?C=M;O=D
May 10 02:59:45 <treemonkie> didof3: Thanks, I will give that a go.
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