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May 24 02:59:58 <kaektech> ciao, till later.
May 24 03:19:13 <ka6sox> kaektech-really-, niters!
May 24 03:19:19 <ka6sox> hiya emeb_mac
May 24 03:19:57 <emeb_mac> hi!
May 24 03:31:18 <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: how you going
May 24 03:33:59 <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: doing well. You?
May 24 03:34:10 <mrpackethead> good.
May 24 03:34:24 <mrpackethead> i am guessing by the end of the day, there will be 50 capes spoken for
May 24 03:35:13 <emeb_mac> mrpackethead: Nice!
May 24 03:35:31 <mrpackethead> maybe we should have made 100
May 24 03:36:23 <emeb_mac> heh
May 24 03:40:18 <m_billybob> mrpackethead, theres always elecrow :)
May 24 03:40:28 <mrpackethead> elecrow?
May 24 03:40:30 <mrpackethead> whats that?
May 24 03:40:46 <m_billybob> very cheap PCB maker
May 24 03:40:57 <mrpackethead> cheap pcb
May 24 03:40:59 <mrpackethead> rghhh.
May 24 03:41:01 <mrpackethead> scary scary
May 24 03:41:08 <m_billybob> they do good PCBs
May 24 03:41:13 <m_billybob> how many layers ?
May 24 03:41:17 <mrpackethead> so, how cheap is cheap
May 24 03:41:28 <mrpackethead> 4 layers
May 24 03:41:39 <mrpackethead> you need gold ENIG
May 24 03:42:00 <m_billybob> hmm not sure about 4 layers we've had some 10x10 done, quanties of 10 for like $40 i think
May 24 03:42:08 <m_billybob> 2 layer
May 24 03:42:12 <mrpackethead> thats expensive
May 24 03:42:22 <mrpackethead> 10x10"
May 24 03:42:25 <mrpackethead> or 10x10cm?
May 24 03:42:27 <mrpackethead> or what?
May 24 03:42:27 <m_billybob> that includes shipping form China to US
May 24 03:42:31 <m_billybob> cm
May 24 03:42:39 <mrpackethead> 10 for $40
May 24 03:42:42 <mrpackethead> ok, thats alreight
May 24 03:42:54 <mrpackethead> but i but those are the ones that have to 10x10cm
May 24 03:43:01 <mrpackethead> and they ahve lots of limitatons on them
May 24 03:43:47 <m_billybob> http://www.elecrow.com/services-c-73/fusion-pcb-service-c-73_116/
May 24 03:43:52 <m_billybob> can always check them out
May 24 03:44:08 <m_billybob> have had some very smal board made  for like $1 each
May 24 03:46:05 <mrpackethead> i'm pretty happy with my fab house
May 24 03:46:06 <m_billybob> Welp windows cross compile to debian +bbb == sucessful
May 24 03:46:27 <m_billybob> get a better deal ? that place only seems to do 2layer it looks like
May 24 03:47:31 <m_billybob> ah negative they do 10x10 4 layer startign at $45
May 24 03:48:17 <m_billybob> well startign at $5 for 10 pieces
May 24 03:48:25 <m_billybob> grr $45
May 24 03:49:01 <mrpackethead> cheap = expensivr
May 24 03:49:06 <mrpackethead> i dont' cheap on PCB's
May 24 03:49:11 <mrpackethead> its false economy!
May 24 03:50:07 <m_billybob> my buddy has used them several times all the boards came out fine. but yes, use who you're happy with. shouldnt be an other way
May 24 03:51:13 <ka6sox> very false economy
May 24 03:51:26 <ka6sox> might as well make them in your bathtub.
May 24 03:57:01 <m_billybob> sure, solder mask and all
May 24 03:57:13 <m_billybob> misconception squashed by the way
May 24 03:57:16 <m_billybob>  current CPU frequency is 1000 MHz (asserted by call to hardware).
May 24 03:57:46 <m_billybob> powered via USB running while(1){i+=1;}
May 24 03:57:51 <m_billybob> 85% CPU load
May 24 03:59:26 <m_billybob> so atleast runnign debian the bbb scales frequency nicely
May 24 04:00:36 <ka6sox> Rickta59, ping?
May 24 04:01:55 <_av500_> bay had a quake?
May 24 04:02:39 <ka6sox> _av500_, thats a LONG way from teh Bay area.
May 24 04:02:49 <ka6sox> up near a Volcano.
May 24 04:31:40 * mranostay suspects someone didn't put 'fixed wifi dropping every two minutes' in the firmware release notes for this router
May 24 04:32:11 <Shadyman> mranostay: collateral fixage
May 24 04:32:23 <mranostay> or don't admit your eff up
May 24 04:33:04 * mranostay grabs a beer downstairs
May 24 04:36:35 * mranostay gets a virtual one for Shadyman 
May 24 04:38:36 <mrpackethead> the prize for the best use of BCC cape will be.....
May 24 04:38:44 <mrpackethead> just bragging rights.
May 24 04:38:49 <ka6sox> heh
May 24 04:39:07 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, I have an idea...but no time till end of summer.
May 24 04:40:50 <m_billybob> mrpackethead notoriety of being the first ?
May 24 04:41:28 <ka6sox> m_billybob, first not necessarily the best.
May 24 04:41:54 <m_billybob> you have better idea for a FPGA cape ?
May 24 04:42:23 <mrpackethead> yeah.
May 24 04:42:28 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: when are you getting yours
May 24 04:43:11 <m_billybob> Id actually love to have one, but right now. . .no time to mess with FPGA. I've been wanting to learn FPGA ( vhdl or maybe verilog) for a long time
May 24 04:43:23 <mrpackethead> well, just get one
May 24 04:43:28 <mrpackethead> and when you feel inclinced
May 24 04:43:30 <mrpackethead> then you ahve it
May 24 04:43:31 <m_billybob> the hardware aspect i may have trouble with
May 24 04:43:47 <m_billybob> i have an eecolor like in that post i gave in here a couple times
May 24 04:44:01 <m_billybob> some day going to be used as a dev board
May 24 04:45:30 <m_billybob> i have, two  msp430 launchpads, a stellaris launchpad a FRDM-KL25z, and that eecolor that is goign ot be used as an FPGA dev board. too much to play with and not enough time to play
May 24 04:46:00 <m_billybob> oh right and bb is probably going to eat up most of my free time for a long time to come yet
May 24 04:46:08 <m_billybob> have a very ambitious project in mind
May 24 04:46:38 <av500> world peace?
May 24 04:46:46 <av500> I did that last year
May 24 04:46:48 <av500> got bored
May 24 04:46:53 <m_billybob> remote site management
May 24 04:47:02 <av500> now that is exiting
May 24 04:47:19 <m_billybob> existing or exciting ?
May 24 04:47:25 <m_billybob> probably both.
May 24 04:47:40 <av500> you want to invent vnc?
May 24 04:47:52 <m_billybob> specific use case
May 24 04:47:58 <m_billybob> which i wont get into
May 24 04:53:37 <av500> read, NDA first
May 24 04:53:48 <av500> I'll have my guys talk to your guys
May 24 05:06:07 <mranostay> hi all
May 24 05:08:52 <ka6sox> hi ewe
May 24 05:15:58 <howl> hello!
May 24 05:16:33 <howl> I need some help with beaglebone
May 24 05:17:03 <howl> I need to constantly monitor the data at the serial pins and write it to the memory
May 24 05:17:08 <howl> how do I do that?
May 24 05:17:30 <ka6sox> you asked in forums/googlegroups/mailinglist?
May 24 05:26:08 <ka6sox> howl, ^^
May 24 05:26:15 <m_billybob> av500 pretty much yes
May 24 05:27:59 <av500> howl: so?
May 24 05:28:04 <av500> open /dev/tty
May 24 05:28:07 <av500> read()
May 24 05:28:09 <av500> write()
May 24 05:28:13 <av500> maybe poll()
May 24 05:28:16 <av500> or select()
May 24 05:30:03 <ka6sox> av500, lather, rinse, repeat.
May 24 05:30:46 <av500> howl: nothing beagle specific here
May 24 05:31:40 <howl> cool
May 24 05:35:01 * m_billybob notes that his debian laptop is still chuggging away on console-image
May 24 05:35:30 <m_billybob> ut oh
May 24 05:35:32 <m_billybob> Summary: There were 6 ERROR messages shown, returning a non-zero exit code.
May 24 05:37:11 <m_billybob> i think im about done fooling with OE for now
May 24 05:39:18 <m_billybob> rm -rf for the win !
May 24 05:41:28 <KotH> a wonderfull FIRDAY-JIHAD everyone!
May 24 05:41:40 <m_billybob> morning KotH
May 24 05:42:06 <m_billybob> KotH, for what its worth, and i know you probably dont care, but linaro setup on windows was fairly painless
May 24 05:42:53 <KotH> oh.. cool
May 24 05:43:33 <av500> you installed linaro on your windows?
May 24 05:43:54 <m_billybob> using Linaro with code::blocks on windows 7 x64. yes.
May 24 05:43:56 <mrpackethead> KotH: for what its worth,a nd i know you probalby dont' care, but eating a box of swiss chocolate was particually not hard.
May 24 05:43:56 <KotH> av500: people do foolish things... especially on fridays
May 24 05:44:09 <KotH> mrpackethead: lol
May 24 05:44:23 <mrpackethead> can i run windows 8 on a beagleboneblack
May 24 05:44:38 <KotH> mrpackethead: eating swiss chocolate is never hard. they are actually quite soft, and melt in your mouth, like a cloud on a spring morning
May 24 05:45:24 <m_billybob> KotH, well i only mentioned it because you were sayign to me this morning ( my time ) you heard it was a pita . . .
May 24 05:46:06 <m_billybob> download  -> unzip -> put in a location of choise -> point code::block to the binaries.
May 24 05:48:05 <KotH> m_billybob: i know what i said, merely a day ago
May 24 05:48:20 <KotH> m_billybob: i'm not as old as av500 and do forget things
May 24 05:48:23 <m_billybob> ~14 hours ago :P
May 24 05:48:38 <KotH> "before the last sleep cycle" :)
May 24 05:48:59 <m_billybob> :)
May 24 05:49:43 <m_billybob> was just surprised it was that easy. no information on how to setup on the web, nd i guessthat is why
May 24 05:49:52 <m_billybob> on the web how to setup*
May 24 05:50:40 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: did some more looking at the netowrk setup
May 24 05:51:34 <m_billybob> hmm ?
May 24 05:52:41 * m_billybob is currently reading about which libraries / headers he should pull ove rinto his dev platform
May 24 06:50:16 <tsjsieb> goodmorning
May 24 06:51:20 <mranostay> good blah whatever
May 24 06:51:22 <mranostay> sleeping
May 24 06:51:38 <ka6sox> niters mranostay
May 24 06:54:21 <KotH> the beer must have been good :)
May 24 06:55:05 <mhaberler> are there any known issues with the uio_pruss support on 3.8 kernels? uio_pruss loads fine, but no /dev/uio* device appears :-/
May 24 07:02:48 * KotH doesnt know of any issues
May 24 07:02:53 <KotH> but then, i dont know anything either
May 24 07:03:08 <KotH> mhaberler: ask mranostay, he knows
May 24 07:03:18 <mhaberler> ah
May 24 07:03:53 <mhaberler> mranostay: around?
May 24 07:05:04 <ka6sox> mhaberler, just missed him..
May 24 07:05:49 <panto> morning
May 24 07:07:03 <KotH> moin panto
May 24 07:07:13 <panto> hi KotH
May 24 07:10:04 <mhaberler> suspicion: PRU isnt powered up, which might be a uboot/dt thing
May 24 07:10:06 <ka6sox> mourning panto
May 24 07:10:38 <panto> mhaberler, have you enabled the pruss device?
May 24 07:10:39 <panto> hi ka
May 24 07:10:43 <panto> hi ka6sox even
May 24 07:10:53 <ka6sox> he he...
May 24 07:11:06 <mhaberler> is there anything except  modprobe uio_pruss to it?
May 24 07:11:06 * ka6sox hands panto a coffee
May 24 07:11:29 <mhaberler> you mean kconfig? yes, all enabled as mods
May 24 07:11:34 <panto> mhaberler, nope
May 24 07:12:19 <panto> mhaberler, you need something like this: http://pastebin.com/GuCXcUVL
May 24 07:12:39 <mhaberler> ah
May 24 07:14:23 <mhaberler> how do I make the boot process suck that dt fragment?
May 24 07:14:43 <panto> you can use a capemgr override
May 24 07:15:06 <panto> capemgr.override=PART-NUMBER on the kernel cmdline works
May 24 07:15:14 <panto> or you can load it at run time
May 24 07:16:08 <mhaberler> and that fragment needs to be compiled and put into uboot/dtbs or what?
May 24 07:16:28 <mhaberler> sorry, this is completely new for me
May 24 07:17:25 <mhaberler> ah, found http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-serialuarttty-on-beaglebone-black/, this might give some hints
May 24 07:17:38 <panto> mhaberler, yes
May 24 07:17:48 <mhaberler> thanks
May 24 07:17:49 <panto> you don't need to mess with u-boot at all
May 24 07:17:54 <panto> np
May 24 07:21:24 <mhaberler> hm, apt-get install device-tree-compiler gets me a dtc binary, but not a dtb - whatever that implies
May 24 07:22:02 <mhaberler> ah, all fine, reading does help
May 24 07:22:05 <keesj> dtb is the format e.g. dtc -I dts -O dtb my.dts
May 24 07:22:27 <keesj> device tree compiler
May 24 07:22:44 <mhaberler> yep, got it - thanks
May 24 07:29:22 <mhaberler> am I missing any magic here?
May 24 07:29:23 <mhaberler>  dtc -I dts -O dtb -o enable-pru.dtbo -b 0 enable-pru.dts
May 24 07:29:24 <mhaberler> DTC: dts->dtb  on file "enable-pru.dts"
May 24 07:29:25 <mhaberler> Error: enable-pru.dts:9.2-8 syntax error
May 24 07:29:26 <mhaberler> FATAL ERROR: Unable to parse input tree
May 24 07:30:03 <panto> mhaberler, you need to use the -@ switch
May 24 07:30:18 <panto> and make sure you use the dtc with the patch to enable it
May 24 07:30:57 <mhaberler> the dtc from the wheezy repo doesnt sport that, I seem to need a  different dtc version
May 24 07:31:34 <mhaberler> any reference to a source repo?
May 24 07:33:09 <panto> use the one in the beaglebone kernel
May 24 07:33:14 <panto> tools/dtc
May 24 07:33:33 <panto> the kernel has it all ready to use
May 24 07:33:35 <mhaberler> you are assuming I use angstrom, which I do not; I have a wheezy rootfs
May 24 07:33:49 <mhaberler> that's obviously the issue
May 24 07:35:00 <panto> well, we use angstrom for a reason
May 24 07:35:26 <panto> if you take a look at the angstrom trees you'll find out the dtc patch you need to apply
May 24 07:35:41 <mhaberler> it goes the other way too; I ran out of patience on missing package dependencies
May 24 07:35:45 <mhaberler> ok
May 24 07:36:15 <panto> we can't support all the distros out there
May 24 07:36:39 <panto> we can only make all our changes open so that you can easily pick up the bits you need
May 24 07:36:43 <mhaberler> sure, I'm not asking that
May 24 07:37:19 <panto> if many people ask for it, we can put up a debian feed for things like dtc and stuff
May 24 07:37:42 <panto> but not now, when we're under the gun for so many other things
May 24 07:37:54 <mhaberler> fair enough
May 24 07:38:03 <mhaberler> which one of https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/ would I peruse?
May 24 07:38:31 <panto> you can always make an update in the elinux.org page pointing at your work
May 24 07:38:40 <mhaberler> will do
May 24 07:39:09 <panto> mhaberler, git://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts.git
May 24 07:39:29 <panto> the branch is angstrom-v2012.12-yocto1.3
May 24 07:40:47 <panto> koen is the one who can help you more with any angstrom questions
May 24 07:42:04 <panto> got to head out, l8r
May 24 07:42:39 <KotH> panto: dont let the revolution catch you!
May 24 07:43:02 <ka6sox> Viva La Revolucion!
May 24 07:43:44 <mhaberler> I'm a tad lost - that looks like toplevel angstrom build scripts and I dont see any dtc patch there
May 24 07:44:12 <ka6sox> did you switch branches?
May 24 07:44:47 <mhaberler> yes, looking at angstrom-v2012.12-yocto1.3
May 24 07:47:11 <genpix> just received BBB + LCD7 cape + RS232 cape from Mouser.com. And ... they don't work together. And I just now (reading the forum) found that they are incompatible. It would be nice if resellers (Mouser, Digi-Key, Avnet, etc.) actually warn the buyers about that.
May 24 07:47:29 <av500> they will work
May 24 07:47:40 <av500> at least BBB+LCD
May 24 07:48:18 <genpix> well, I need a working combo NOW! (we are already late in the development stage)
May 24 07:48:37 <genpix> should I look for original  (white) BeagleBoard?
May 24 07:49:20 <av500> we?
May 24 07:49:34 <av500> genpix: yes, white should work out of the box
May 24 07:49:47 <av500> oh well
May 24 07:49:50 <av500> not sure
May 24 07:49:54 <av500> with new 3.8 stuff
May 24 07:49:56 <KotH> genpix: someone got the LCD7 working ith the bbb
May 24 07:50:01 <KotH> genpix: so it is possible
May 24 07:50:23 <KotH> genpix: iirc he had to use the "wrong" connector on the LCD7 or so.. dont remember anymore
May 24 07:50:39 <genpix> We currently use FriendlyArm mini6410 + 7"LCD/touchscreen in out project. And looks like we need to toss theis combo (cause they are not RoHS, and they are very slow in converting them to RoHS)
May 24 07:50:56 <KotH> huh?
May 24 07:51:02 <koen> genpix: update to 05.20
May 24 07:51:03 <KotH> people still sell non-RoHS stuff?
May 24 07:51:32 <KotH> moin koen
May 24 07:51:34 <genpix> I read about beagleBone, and immediately bought it. Unfortunately, I just now realized I can not use BBB+LCD7 out of the box :(
May 24 07:51:38 <KotH> koen: did you have your chocolate today? ;)
May 24 07:51:53 <koen> koth: technically yes, after midnight
May 24 07:51:57 <KotH> :-)
May 24 07:52:36 * koen opens a ritter sport trauben nuss
May 24 07:52:46 <genpix> I tried 2013.5.20, still no signal on LCD7
May 24 07:53:10 <ynezz> then wait for 06.20
May 24 07:54:35 <mhaberler> koen: I'm running a wheezy rootfs and need an up-to-date dtc which supports the '-@' flag; the one in the ubuntu stream doesnt; what's my cheapest route to building one locally?
May 24 07:55:02 <koen> dunny
May 24 07:55:06 <koen> dunno*
May 24 07:55:22 <koen> you're on your own with debian
May 24 07:55:29 <mhaberler> well I know
May 24 07:55:57 <ynezz> time for some dtbuilder.com :p
May 24 07:56:09 <ynezz> any hipsters around? --^
May 24 07:58:48 <mhaberler> ah, kernel tree src/dtc seems to be it
May 24 08:06:43 <mhaberler> yep, that worked - built src/dtc, that compiles the dts fragment
May 24 08:07:19 <KotH> koen: the rum-traube is better ;)
May 24 08:07:42 <koen> yes, that's one of my favourites
May 24 08:07:49 <koen> also good as ice-cream flavour
May 24 08:08:08 <KotH> :-)
May 24 08:08:13 * KotH recommends mövenpick
May 24 08:08:26 <mrpackethead> movenpick.. poof!
May 24 08:08:36 <koen> rum-traube is known as "farmerboys" in .nl
May 24 08:08:52 <KotH> why farmerboys?
May 24 08:08:57 <mrpackethead> "tip top"..
May 24 08:09:17 <koen> koth: historical reasons I guess
May 24 08:09:23 <genpix> KoTH: when you were talking about "someone got the LCD7 working ith the bbb", did you mean Angstrem? Debian? (or Android)?
May 24 08:11:23 <KotH> genpix: i have no idea
May 24 08:11:46 <KotH> genpix: it was some discussion on this channel a couple of days ago
May 24 08:12:15 <KotH> genpix: i dont have an bbb thus only read bits an pieces of those discussions
May 24 08:12:28 <mrpackethead> KotH: you dont' ahve a bbb
May 24 08:12:32 <mrpackethead> oh no.
May 24 08:12:34 <KotH> genpix: mostly i talk about the wholy war, chocolate and how bad coffee in europe is
May 24 08:12:43 <KotH> mrpackethead: nobody gave me one, yet :)
May 24 08:12:51 <mrpackethead> the end of the world will start in .ch
May 24 08:13:37 <KotH> nope
May 24 08:13:38 <genpix> couple of days ago I was still under impression that what I ordered from the reseller is a working combo
May 24 08:13:45 <KotH> not unless we run out of chocolate
May 24 08:13:58 <KotH> genpix: well...
May 24 08:14:00 <mrpackethead> genpix: you assumed a BBB is goign to work?
May 24 08:14:06 * mrpackethead laughs..
May 24 08:14:10 <KotH> genpix: the bb* are not consumer grade plug-and-play devices
May 24 08:14:26 <KotH> mrpackethead: now...that's mean
May 24 08:14:59 <KotH> mrpackethead: you shouldnt laugh at people because they have not experienced the "linux-just-works-out-of-the-box" lie :)
May 24 08:15:00 <mrpackethead> genpix, when my BBB's arrived, compelted with installed OS, you coud'nt even SSH to them
May 24 08:15:05 <genpix> prolly, I need to buy bbw (to get my project started)
May 24 08:15:22 <mrpackethead> genpix: in the wiki, theres a list of compatible capes
May 24 08:15:33 <mrpackethead> are they still making bbw?
May 24 08:15:45 <mrpackethead> but the list is not long
May 24 08:17:17 <KotH> genpix: you're in the US?
May 24 08:17:21 <genpix> damn, I was so "happy" that I found an alternative to FrienflyArm mini6410. ANd now, I'm back to square 1
May 24 08:17:37 <genpix> yes, US
May 24 08:18:09 <KotH> genpix: if you would want to get someone external to help you, wait until alan_o wakes up
May 24 08:18:11 <mrpackethead> genpix..  i have a lcd cape, but i've not yet tried it the a bbb
May 24 08:18:27 <mrpackethead> but i dont' have any reason to hook it up now
May 24 08:18:39 <mrpackethead> i'm trying to rip stuff of the bbb
May 24 08:18:42 <mrpackethead> that hdmi stuff
May 24 08:19:15 <genpix> btw, those mounting holes on the lcd7 cape are ugly. Who (in the right state of mind) can put them in those positions?!
May 24 08:19:19 <KotH> genpix: http://www.signal11.us/
May 24 08:20:51 <mrpackethead> genpix: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#Capes
May 24 08:21:08 <genpix> it's impossible to use these holes to mount  an LCD tothe front panel (we have a metal front panel with a window). holes are BEHIND the LCD.
May 24 08:21:41 <KotH> genpix: life sucks, when you dont check the datasheet
May 24 08:21:58 <KotH> genpix: but when you have probs like this, you really want to hire alan_o
May 24 08:22:17 <mrpackethead> The onboard HDMI driver uses the LCD pins. They are still connected to the expansion header, but in some cases, they could cause an LCD cape to have some noise issues unless the cape has a buffer.
May 24 08:22:17 <mrpackethead> A buffer should take care of this issue. If you want to use these pins as GPIO pins, you may be limited in speed due to the capacitance caused by the loadig of the pins by the HDMI driver.
May 24 08:22:18 <mrpackethead> They should function fine in most applications.
May 24 08:24:19 <mrpackethead> the *should* word is the #keyword
May 24 08:24:31 <mrpackethead> shuould be probably wonn't
May 24 08:25:23 <KotH> *g*
May 24 08:25:48 <mrpackethead> cynical bunch here
May 24 08:27:08 <KotH> it's not cynical if it's the truth
May 24 08:28:16 <mrpackethead> i've just taken a known good DC/DC buck regulator
May 24 08:28:21 <mrpackethead> and bent it.
May 24 08:28:37 <KotH> bent?
May 24 08:28:43 <mrpackethead> yup.
May 24 08:28:49 <mrpackethead> 'on screen'
May 24 08:28:55 <mrpackethead> got an urgent job
May 24 08:28:57 <mrpackethead> i'm doing
May 24 08:28:58 <KotH> why would you do something so mean to a poor little dc/dc reg?
May 24 08:29:00 <mrpackethead> for a client
May 24 08:29:11 <mrpackethead> becuase it used to be on a square board
May 24 08:29:21 <mrpackethead> now its got to live on a donut shaped board
May 24 08:29:32 <av500> those are yummy
May 24 08:29:58 <KotH> how big is your dc/dc converter that you can even "bend" it
May 24 08:30:12 <genpix> btw, that "BeagleBone Black Accessories" page does not list RS232 or LCD capes in the Compatible or Incompatible sections
May 24 08:30:23 <genpix> so much for "datasheet" !
May 24 08:31:01 <KotH> genpix: you are aware that capes are mostly made by third parties, and cco or anyone else cannot guarrantee that they work as promised?
May 24 08:31:13 <mrpackethead> bbb is totally alpha
May 24 08:31:22 <KotH> genpix: or that you dont have to do any additional work to get them to do your bidding
May 24 08:31:42 <genpix> no, I'm not aware (especially, when cco name is written on the cape)
May 24 08:31:44 <KotH> mrpackethead: any embedded linux board is to be considered alpha until you get everything working yourself
May 24 08:31:55 <KotH> genpix: hmm...
May 24 08:31:56 <mrpackethead> KotH: aint that the truth
May 24 08:32:24 <mrpackethead> genpix.. i see the system like this.
May 24 08:32:25 <KotH> genpix: then ask koen
May 24 08:32:28 <KotH> genpix: or panto
May 24 08:32:37 <mrpackethead> the bits you buy are like the bits you buy from any electronics store
May 24 08:32:39 <KotH> genpix: but hire alan_o
May 24 08:32:41 <KotH> :)
May 24 08:32:46 <mrpackethead> some R',s  some C's some IC's
May 24 08:32:50 <mrpackethead> they are all good
May 24 08:32:56 <mrpackethead> but its up to you to join them together
May 24 08:33:47 <KotH> ..and let the magic smoke out
May 24 08:34:29 <mrpackethead> genpix: you can hire KotH..
May 24 08:34:34 <mrpackethead> he will work for chocolate
May 24 08:35:05 <genpix> I like chocolate myself. we can't work together 9we'll start to compete)
May 24 08:36:27 <mrpackethead> you can hire me
May 24 08:36:33 <mrpackethead> i can start in 2016
May 24 08:37:01 <genpix> bbb will be dead by that time :)
May 24 08:37:13 <mrpackethead> why
May 24 08:37:30 <genpix> something new will pop up
May 24 08:40:18 <KotH> genpix: you wont be able to compete with my chocolate consumption
May 24 08:40:23 <KotH> genpix: i sit at the source :)
May 24 08:41:05 <KotH> genpix: but seriously, hire some who knows the bbb and embedded linux
May 24 08:41:20 <KotH> genpix: anything else will be more expensive
May 24 08:41:27 <russell--> looks like i managed to populate the eeprom successfully in my w1 cape: boots, loads dtbo and everything
May 24 08:42:33 <mrpackethead> genpix. is this an assignmen problem?
May 24 08:42:35 <mrpackethead> or a real problem
May 24 08:42:56 <KotH> genpix: as a side note...the company i work for makes money from people like you, who start a project and suddenly realize that the whole thing is more complex than they thought
May 24 08:43:09 <KotH> genpix: and i would suggest you'd hire us, if you werent on the other side of the big pond
May 24 08:43:17 <russell--> ntpdate is being a bitch though, looks like maybe it's firing too early?
May 24 08:43:47 <KotH> russell--: set ntpdate to run after the network is configured
May 24 08:43:57 <mrpackethead> genpix: the company i work for ( and own ) makes money from people like kotH, by selling them thigns tehy dont' really need
May 24 08:44:06 <mrpackethead> its much easier
May 24 08:44:07 <KotH> :-)
May 24 08:44:26 * russell-- is new at systemd
May 24 08:44:40 <KotH> russell--: you are DOOMED!
May 24 08:44:40 <mrpackethead> the good thign is that our BBB's are working prety well
May 24 08:45:18 <genpix> mrpackethead: i'm in the same business (I mean, my company does the same job)
May 24 08:45:31 <mrpackethead> your in teh business
May 24 08:45:36 <mrpackethead> which business would that be
May 24 08:46:14 <genpix> selling the things ppl don't know how to use
May 24 08:47:09 <mrpackethead> then you are in a differnet business from me
May 24 08:47:11 <genpix> they don't really need, but they buy because their freinds already got that :)
May 24 08:47:59 <risc> hey all, anyone runnng FreeBSD on the Black?
May 24 08:49:28 <mrpackethead> risc,  its next on the list, right after we get windows 8 working
May 24 08:50:32 <Defiant> mrpackethead: does the Beagle price cover the windows license cost?
May 24 08:51:03 <mrpackethead> :-)
May 24 08:56:51 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/RISL0A
May 24 08:56:51 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 5623fc4 Koen Kooi: 3.8: MCP2515 and CAN cape fixes...
May 24 08:57:37 <koen> dwery: there you go!
May 24 08:58:16 <dwery> koen: thanks! next step will be dt and d_can
May 24 08:59:05 <koen> have a look at firmware/capes/BB-BONE-SERL-01-00A1.dts
May 24 08:59:47 <dwery> ack
May 24 09:01:45 <dwery> koen: that dts is there as a placeholder or d_can is actually in the kernel?
May 24 09:04:34 <bertr2d2> Hi
May 24 09:04:44 <bertr2d2> i'm trying pruss
May 24 09:04:50 <bertr2d2> but it fails
May 24 09:05:00 <bertr2d2> lsmod | grep pru uio_pruss               3522  0
May 24 09:05:24 <bertr2d2> modules is loaded but device is missing
May 24 09:05:32 <bertr2d2> open("/dev/uio0", O_RDWR|O_SYNC)        = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
May 24 09:05:37 <panto> back
May 24 09:05:40 <bertr2d2> open("/sys/class/uio/uio0/maps/map0/addr", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
May 24 09:06:23 <panto> bertr2d2, http://pastebin.com/GuCXcUVL
May 24 09:06:35 <panto> you have to enable a the device
May 24 09:06:37 <koen> dwery: iirc d_can is in the kernel
May 24 09:07:43 <dwery> koen: I can't find it in 3.8-for-panto-rebase
May 24 09:07:52 <dwery> it should be in drivers/net/can
May 24 09:08:17 <bertr2d2> @panto thx
May 24 09:08:46 <bertr2d2> dtc throws some errors
May 24 09:09:01 <bertr2d2> ERROR (phandle_references): Reference to non-existent node or label "am33xx_pinmux"
May 24 09:09:10 <panto> sigh
May 24 09:09:21 <panto> this should be a faq
May 24 09:09:54 <panto> http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2013-05-24
May 24 09:10:20 <panto> check the discussion with mhaberler
May 24 09:11:35 <mhaberler> bertr2d2: which distro are you using?
May 24 09:11:43 <koen> dwery: it's part of c_can iirc
May 24 09:11:57 <mhaberler> I use wheezy, had to build dtc from kernel repo scripts/dtc
May 24 09:12:10 <koen> drivers/net/can/c_can/c_can_platform.c: { .compatible = "bosch,d_can", .data = &c_can_id_table[BOSCH_D_CAN] },
May 24 09:12:14 <dwery> koen: so they changed it, ok, will check. thanks.
May 24 09:12:49 <koen> dwery: non-TI people wrote c_can, so there's a better than average chance of it working
May 24 09:13:05 <dwery> koen: :D I tought c_Can was for a different IP
May 24 09:13:09 <koen> pretty much all TI based drivers for AM335x needed a lot of panto time to get them to work
May 24 09:13:29 <panto> I thank them for that, cause panto's got to eat too
May 24 09:13:54 <dwery> well... we can just randomly inject more bugs in their drivers then :)
May 24 09:13:56 <panto> (and he eats a lot)
May 24 09:16:03 <bertr2d2> @mhaberler Angstrom 2013-05-20
May 24 09:16:16 <mhaberler> ah, ok, then thats  a different issue
May 24 09:16:35 <panto> bertr2d2, what's the dtc command line that you use?
May 24 09:16:40 <dwery> koen: what's the correct naming for the files in firmware/capes ?
May 24 09:16:44 <panto> you have to pass -@
May 24 09:17:17 <mhaberler> dwery: this post helps a bit: http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-serialuarttty-on-beaglebone-black/
May 24 09:17:24 <bertr2d2> dtc -I dts -O dtb -o enable-pru.dtbo -b 0 enable-pru.dts
May 24 09:17:25 <panto> dwery, for simple capes, just use ${PART_NUMBER}-${REVISION}.dts
May 24 09:17:31 <panto> bertr2d2, you're missing -@
May 24 09:17:55 <bertr2d2> Ah - OK
May 24 09:18:15 <dwery> mhaberler: ty!
May 24 09:18:24 <dwery> panto: ok, will stick to that
May 24 09:18:57 <panto> things can get much more complex, when you use capemaps
May 24 09:19:09 <panto> plus you have to add them in the base dts
May 24 09:19:15 <panto> which is no fun
May 24 09:19:18 <dwery> I only need d_can, spi and a couple of pins
May 24 09:23:02 <bertr2d2> OK copied the  dtbo: cp enable-pru.dtbo /lib/firmware/
May 24 09:23:20 <bertr2d2> But 'cp enable-pru.dtbo /lib/firmware/'
May 24 09:23:49 <bertr2d2> but 'echo enable-pru > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots '
May 24 09:24:16 <bertr2d2> thows error:  -sh: echo: write error: No such file or directory
May 24 09:24:28 <panto> the filename must be of the form ${PART-NUMBER}-${REV}.dtbo
May 24 09:24:43 <panto> since you don't supply a revision it assumes it's 00A0
May 24 09:24:52 <panto> rename the file to enable-pru-00A0.dtbo
May 24 09:26:34 <bertr2d2> ah -ok - thx
May 24 09:26:37 <panto> ugh, and make sure there's a bone_capemgr.9 directory
May 24 09:26:49 <panto> the number changes depending on what gets loaded
May 24 09:27:21 <bertr2d2> @panto, it is
May 24 09:27:39 <bertr2d2> many thx - example is working :)))))
May 24 09:39:07 <panto> hi mdp
May 24 09:42:49 <av500> "....Yes, dpkg is a 'bad' package manager..."
May 24 09:44:43 <av500> hmm, new SoC
May 24 09:44:51 <av500> GS702A
May 24 09:50:17 <koen> genpix: BBB + LCD7 works if you boot from uSD
May 24 09:52:00 * panto waits for his cape shipment to arrive 
May 24 10:00:54 <bertr2d2> tried https://github.com/boxysean/am335x_pru_package/tree/master/pru_sw/example_apps/blinkslave
May 24 10:01:10 <bertr2d2> did the LEDS ports changed with BBB ?
May 24 10:02:37 <panto> bertr2d2, did you pinmux the correct values?
May 24 10:04:42 <bertr2d2> I am fraid not ...
May 24 10:06:13 <panto> step 1, check your muxing
May 24 10:06:21 <panto> step 2, look at step 1
May 24 10:07:15 <mdp> step 3, repeat step 2
May 24 10:07:23 <mdp> hi panto
May 24 10:08:32 <bertr2d2> @panto :-)
May 24 10:08:52 <panto> mmc rstn 1
May 24 10:09:14 <panto> err, wrong window
May 24 10:09:21 <koen> about pinmux: https://plus.google.com/100242854243155306943/posts/9VbpSWoZJkp
May 24 10:10:45 <av500> thats full of trolls
May 24 10:10:54 <panto> #beagle is full of trolls too
May 24 10:11:19 <av500> my hovercraft is full of eels!
May 24 10:11:26 <KotH> trolls? in #beagle? NO WAY!
May 24 10:12:08 <av500> run!
May 24 10:18:58 <bertr2d2> newer SRM shows that LEDs are on the same GPIO ...
May 24 10:21:29 <bertr2d2> BTW: is there hope to get CAN working on BBB with kernel 3.8 soon ?
May 24 10:22:13 <koen> bertr2d2: why do you imply it isn't working?
May 24 10:22:19 <koen> drivers are there
May 24 10:22:25 <koen> cape description is there
May 24 10:23:10 <bertr2d2> OK driver is there - whats about dt file - and as the CAN driver dt aware ?
May 24 10:23:28 <koen> 12:22 < koen> drivers are there
May 24 10:23:28 <koen> 12:22 < koen> cape description is there
May 24 10:23:55 <panto> just load the can cape definition
May 24 10:25:19 <koen> bertr2d2: and if you scroll up you can see me and dwery talking about can about an hour ago
May 24 10:26:18 <dwery> bertr2d2: which can cape?
May 24 10:28:24 <bertr2d2> ok - saw the conversation
May 24 10:28:30 * russell-- found the connman thing for setting clock
May 24 10:28:38 <bertr2d2> I'm going to build an own cap
May 24 10:28:40 <bertr2d2> I'm going to build an own cape
May 24 10:28:44 <dwery> another one? :D
May 24 10:29:27 <bertr2d2> for Railroad - with CAN, RS485 and bitbanged stuff like S88, loconet
May 24 10:29:37 <dwery> uh. nice
May 24 10:30:05 <panto> excellent
May 24 10:30:12 <dwery> so you have a railroad with CAN?
May 24 10:30:34 <bertr2d2> yes - it's MAerklin aka Gleisbox 60113
May 24 10:31:19 <dwery> the last time my cape was used with a railroad, it was a real one :D
May 24 10:32:29 <bertr2d2> :D
May 24 10:32:46 <bertr2d2> Ok - magnitude smaller:
May 24 10:32:49 <bertr2d2> http://lnxpps.de/can2udpe/smallest-rocrail-server-ever/
May 24 10:33:37 <dwery> bertr2d2: very nice
May 24 10:33:57 <dwery> panto: about the ${PART-NUMBER}-${REV} scheme...
May 24 10:34:21 <dwery> the product name is TT3201-001 and revision is 01
May 24 10:34:30 <dwery> that leads to bone_capemgr.8: part_number 'TT3201-001-01', version 'N/A'
May 24 10:34:46 <dwery> and a search for TT3201-001-01-00A0.dtbo
May 24 10:34:47 <panto> echo ${PART-NUMBER}:${REV}
May 24 10:34:59 <panto> : <-
May 24 10:35:14 <dwery> veeeeery nice! :D
May 24 10:35:17 <panto> the dash is used to separate the filenames
May 24 10:35:24 <panto> err, the filename parts
May 24 10:35:40 <dwery> ok, c_can loaded
May 24 10:36:02 <dwery> with a bunch of error messages (
May 24 10:39:02 <dwery> ok, packets are flowing. I can confirm that c_can driver works
May 24 10:39:48 <panto> \o/
May 24 10:40:01 <dwery> ip addr does not show can0.. maybe it's an older version
May 24 10:40:09 * panto asks mdp to update the big board
May 24 10:40:31 <dwery> I'll have to add support for the other two channels on the MCP2515 can controllers
May 24 10:50:50 <mdp> panto, will do when back in office. you are today's leader until the .us shift starts
May 24 10:51:51 <mdp> panto, nice job getting the spice^Wpackets flowing
May 24 11:17:39 <KotH> mdp: shouldnt the us be waking up every minute now? :)
May 24 11:26:43 <mdp> 30 mins to first shift
May 24 11:28:58 <keesj> does anybody care about the beagle-xm support that is currently in the linaro qemu?
May 24 11:29:11 <keesj> We have used it as lot (and still).
May 24 11:29:51 <keesj> it's quite nice for a quick test
May 24 11:53:15 <mdp> keesj, I use one on the power/console server for quick tests :)
May 24 12:16:50 <joerg-sh> hello
May 24 12:19:52 <joerg-sh> someone know if is possible to use the touchscreen from a Iiyama T 2252 MTS B 1 on beaglebone black?
May 24 12:20:16 <Jaguar`> something that doesn't seem clear in the beaglebone black documentation - does holding down the boot button force a flash of the eMMC from the sdcard? or just an sdcard boot? or both?
May 24 12:31:50 <fiola> d
May 24 12:33:00 <KotH> e
May 24 12:34:11 <av500> f
May 24 12:34:54 <malcom2073> g
May 24 12:35:22 <av500> wrong
May 24 12:36:16 <Jaguar`> ok, so it looks like the beagleboard website gives images for angstrom that boot from SD and then flash the emmc, rather than being bootable angstrom images themselves... is this correct?
May 24 12:36:49 <Rickta59> that is the same conclusion I came to Jaguar`
May 24 12:38:50 <av500> Jaguar`: for BBB, yes
May 24 12:38:55 <Jaguar`> thanks guys
May 24 12:40:24 <koen> Jaguar`: have you checked the angstrom website?
May 24 12:40:34 <koen> e.g. http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
May 24 12:40:43 <koen> I know, crazy, checking the angstrom website for angstrom images
May 24 12:41:16 * KotH hands koen a straightjacket
May 24 12:41:18 <Jaguar`> that wasn't the question
May 24 12:41:28 <KotH> koen: put that on, so everyone knows that you are crazy :)
May 24 12:41:34 <Jaguar`> i was referring to the beaglebone documentation :)
May 24 12:41:41 <Rickta59> seems rather old compared to the eMMC flasher version so someone might rightly regard those images as not as desirable
May 24 12:42:07 <koen> heh
May 24 12:42:17 <koen> 2013.05.24 old?
May 24 12:42:25 <koen> that's todays date
May 24 12:42:27 <av500> yes
May 24 12:42:32 <av500> where is tomorrows one?
May 24 12:42:43 <av500> cant you think ahead?
May 24 12:42:48 <Rickta59> you must be seeing sometthing different than what i see on that page
May 24 12:42:53 <koen> av500: marty mcfly has it
May 24 12:43:11 <Rickta59> 2013.04.13.img.xz is what i see
May 24 12:43:34 <av500> Rickta59: get a newer internet
May 24 12:43:38 <av500> yours is old
May 24 12:43:51 <Rickta59> wtf .. cached page
May 24 12:45:46 <av500> koen: http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
May 24 12:48:02 <av500> ah, the mirror still has 4.13
May 24 12:48:06 <av500> http://www.beagleboard.org/angstrom-mirror/www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
May 24 12:48:19 <av500> as has the s3
May 24 12:48:23 <av500> http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html
May 24 12:48:33 <Rickta59> yeah i'm pretty unluckly with this stuff so far
May 24 12:48:34 <av500> what kind of mirrors are they?
May 24 12:48:46 <av500> lightis extremely slow in them
May 24 12:49:28 <Rickta59> i discounted that site as being irrelevant because it didn't have new images
May 24 12:50:50 <av500> it has
May 24 12:50:54 <av500> https://s3.amazonaws.com/angstrom/demo/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.20.img.xz
May 24 12:51:11 <av500> vs http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beaglebone/index.html
May 24 12:51:53 <koen> jkridner_ manages all the beagleboard.org and s3 stuff
May 24 12:52:04 <tasslehoff> koen: is angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4 supposed to be usable/buildable yet?
May 24 12:55:28 <Rickta59> so what would prevent bitbake from creating an ...img.xz for me
May 24 12:55:37 <Rickta59> i'm getting through the built successfuly
May 24 12:55:45 <Rickta59> i see rootfs fies
May 24 12:55:47 <Rickta59> files
May 24 12:56:02 <av500> Rickta59: that I dont know
May 24 12:56:15 <av500> thats all koen's black magic
May 24 12:59:09 <Rickta59> http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/Getting_Started .. 404 not found
May 24 12:59:19 <Rickta59> so this is the treasure hunt i've encounterd
May 24 12:59:34 <Rickta59> if you have problems see this page ..
May 24 12:59:38 <Rickta59> this page is missing
May 24 13:00:45 <koen> Rickta59: you need root permissions to make an img.xz
May 24 13:00:52 <koen> and boot it first on a beaglebone
May 24 13:01:16 <Rickta59> to build i need root?
May 24 13:01:50 <koen> no
May 24 13:01:54 <av500> you also need to run the code on the bone
May 24 13:01:58 <koen> 15:00 < koen> Rickta59: you need root permissions to make an img.xz
May 24 13:01:59 <koen> 15:00 < koen> and boot it first on a beaglebone
May 24 13:02:01 <av500> to get some stuff configured
May 24 13:02:02 <Rickta59> that is my problem it isn't building anb img file
May 24 13:02:07 <av500> it is not
May 24 13:02:14 <av500> [15:01:59] <koen> 15:00 < koen> and boot it first on a beaglebone
May 24 13:02:44 <av500> Rickta59: if you want to just play with the stuff, ignore the emmc
May 24 13:02:54 <av500> write kernel and rootfs to sd and boot from there
May 24 13:03:07 <Rickta59> that is my goal
May 24 13:03:15 <av500> so
May 24 13:03:19 <av500> you dont need an img
May 24 13:03:19 <Rickta59> i want to build a stock img
May 24 13:03:24 <Rickta59> once that works i want to add ntfs
May 24 13:03:26 <av500> sigh
May 24 13:03:36 <av500> you dont need a stock img
May 24 13:03:40 <Rickta59> i'm following what instructions i can find
May 24 13:03:48 <Rickta59> so i've snagged bitbake
May 24 13:03:56 <av500> 1) build angstrom
May 24 13:04:00 <av500> 2) write to sd card
May 24 13:04:02 <av500> 3) boot
May 24 13:04:05 <dwery> uhm.. opkg upgrade seems to have eaten the bone :D
May 24 13:04:07 <Rickta59> step 1 is failing
May 24 13:04:10 <av500> no
May 24 13:04:15 <av500> it builds kernel and rootfs
May 24 13:04:19 <Rickta59> the build is not producing a img.xz
May 24 13:04:20 <av500> thats all you need
May 24 13:04:26 <av500> indeed
May 24 13:04:31 <av500> and you DO NOT NEED it
May 24 13:04:42 <Rickta59> all the docs seem to indicate it will build that
May 24 13:04:48 <av500> like?
May 24 13:04:48 <Rickta59> i understand i can copy the files
May 24 13:04:53 <av500> good
May 24 13:04:55 <av500> then do that
May 24 13:05:04 <Rickta59> i'm trying to get it do what it says it should do
May 24 13:05:11 <av500> where does it say what?
May 24 13:05:16 <av500> link please
May 24 13:06:11 <Rickta59> answer this ..
May 24 13:06:27 <Rickta59> does building systemd-image create an *img.xz file
May 24 13:07:25 <av500> no
May 24 13:07:31 <av500> like I said already
May 24 13:07:36 <av500> where do you see that it does?
May 24 13:07:37 <Rickta59> do i ahve to make that myself?
May 24 13:07:41 <av500> no
May 24 13:07:42 <av500> you cannot
May 24 13:07:46 <Rickta59> http://beaglebone.cameon.net/home/building-the-demo-image-files
May 24 13:08:05 <av500> sorry, wont even click it
May 24 13:08:10 <av500> ask whoever wrote it
May 24 13:08:22 <av500> since when is cameon.net the authority?
May 24 13:08:24 <Rickta59> ok .. so .. i use the build system
May 24 13:08:38 <Rickta59> i end up with tgz files i have to install?
May 24 13:08:57 <Rickta59> where are the proper instructins please link
May 24 13:09:12 <av500> what does cloud9-image  produce?
May 24 13:09:22 <Rickta59> me?
May 24 13:09:35 <Rickta59> it doesn't produce and image either
May 24 13:09:37 <Rickta59> an
May 24 13:10:16 <koen> dunno what you call 'proper instructions', but http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ has instructions
May 24 13:10:35 <av500> Rickta59: read the 2nd comment on that post
May 24 13:10:43 <av500> "Note: I've seen that the build procedures have changed a bit, and I haven't tested the command sequence above in a while, so I don't know how well it works at this time."
May 24 13:11:26 <Rickta59> k ..
May 24 13:11:52 <Rickta59> so the only instructions i see are at the bottom of page
May 24 13:11:55 <Rickta59> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
May 24 13:11:56 <av500> koen: so "bitbake systemd-image" makes an image? :)
May 24 13:12:03 <tasslehoff> koen: if dylan should build I suspect you must change the meta-angstrom branch in layers.txt
May 24 13:12:07 <Rickta59> git clone .. check did that
May 24 13:12:14 <Rickta59> cd setup-scripts check
May 24 13:12:22 <Rickta59> ./oebb.sh .. check
May 24 13:12:28 <Rickta59> bitbake .. check ..
May 24 13:12:34 <Rickta59> didn't produce an image
May 24 13:12:48 <Rickta59> so then i went searching for prerequiste install packages
May 24 13:12:51 <Rickta59> installed all those
May 24 13:13:05 <Rickta59> wondered about apt-get install bitbake .. didn't do it
May 24 13:13:11 <Rickta59> because it seemed to be python
May 24 13:13:42 <Rickta59> .. noticed comment about sourcing the /home//blahblahblah  instead of running ./oebb.sh
May 24 13:13:47 <Rickta59> check .. source the file mentioned
May 24 13:13:58 <av500> if you have the rootfs tgz
May 24 13:14:05 <av500> then you already built all thestuff
May 24 13:14:09 * tasslehoff seem to recall someone saying an img is not needed
May 24 13:14:20 <koen> tasslehoff: correct, fixed :)
May 24 13:14:26 <koen> tasslehoff: thanks for the report
May 24 13:14:27 <av500> maybe the -image is misleading
May 24 13:14:37 <av500> in that it does not build an .img
May 24 13:14:45 <dwery> poor imgs...
May 24 13:14:55 <tasslehoff> tasslehoff: my pleasure
May 24 13:14:58 <tasslehoff> eh
May 24 13:15:03 <tasslehoff> koen: you too
May 24 13:15:04 <Rickta59> ok so where are the instructions that tell me how to go from *rootfs.gz .. to sdcard booting
May 24 13:15:19 <koen> 15:10 < koen> dunno what you call 'proper instructions', but http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ has instructions
May 24 13:15:39 <koen> seems av500 and I are repeating ourselfs a lot
May 24 13:15:58 <Rickta59> ok .. so it doesn't create an img.xz
May 24 13:16:20 <Rickta59> and i don't see any way other then "How to Unpack and Boot the Demo Image - the hard way"
May 24 13:16:23 <Rickta59> so i guess that is the anser
May 24 13:17:20 <Rickta59> so where do i get uncached versions of that page so i know i ahve the latest stuff?
May 24 13:19:41 <Rickta59> what is the target audience for beaglebone buyers?
May 24 13:20:18 <av500> mixed
May 24 13:20:23 <tasslehoff> koen: also, the readme on github says about oebb that "it will NOT switch branches", but that is all in the past, aye?
May 24 13:21:13 <av500> Rickta59: as said multiple times, the build process does not create an img that you can just dd to the card
May 24 13:21:28 <av500> since it involves steps like booting it on a bone etc..
May 24 13:21:36 <av500> so, again
May 24 13:21:42 <av500> copy kernel and rootfs to the card
May 24 13:21:43 <Rickta59> why is the target called image then?
May 24 13:21:52 <av500> I haz no idea
May 24 13:22:19 <av500> "There are only two hard problems in Computer Science:
May 24 13:22:20 <av500>    cache invalidation and naming things."
May 24 13:25:45 <Rickta59> a simple comment that says "proceed to 'How to Unpack and Boot the Demo Image - the hard way' after building the image would have eliminated all my questions
May 24 13:26:16 <Rickta59> and not naming it something-image
May 24 13:32:27 <georgem> I need get some of the patches I did for adding EXT3, resizing, etc to genext2fs upstreamed one of these days.
May 24 13:34:45 <Tey> Good evenin.
May 24 13:35:01 <Tey> Does someone know how to boot an .bin file?
May 24 13:37:01 <georgem> Tey: what is in the .bin file?
May 24 13:37:01 <panto> PRU bin file? arbitrary bin file?
May 24 13:37:17 <av500> cat /dev/random > x.bin
May 24 13:37:17 <panto> georgem, please do
May 24 13:37:22 <av500> now boot it
May 24 13:37:28 <Tey> its the file builded by Visual Studio platform builder :/
May 24 13:37:35 <mdp> heh
May 24 13:37:38 <av500> ?
May 24 13:37:43 <Tey> CE
May 24 13:37:44 <Tey> :>
May 24 13:37:45 <av500> try adding it AUTOEXEC.BAT
May 24 13:37:45 <georgem> oh boy
May 24 13:37:49 <panto> so it's /dev/random then
May 24 13:38:02 <av500> dont forget to put HIMEM.SYS into CONFIG.SYS
May 24 13:38:07 <av500> edit win.ini
May 24 13:38:10 <Rickta59> most people here seemed to be focused on linux version of the beagle Tey
May 24 13:38:13 <mdp> SPRUH73C.BIN
May 24 13:38:15 <Tey> hah
May 24 13:38:16 <Tey> :D
May 24 13:38:21 <Tey> Rickta59, i know^^
May 24 13:38:33 <av500> also you need a DLL
May 24 13:38:37 <av500> google for one
May 24 13:38:39 <av500> any will do
May 24 13:38:43 <Tey> oh cmon^^
May 24 13:38:43 <panto> I think it's a COM object
May 24 13:38:52 <av500> panto: oh COM on
May 24 13:38:52 <Tey> Im 17, help the kidz
May 24 13:38:52 <panto> Factory_BreedBeagles
May 24 13:39:29 <panto> Tey, the kidz should read something about the tasks they are about to undertake
May 24 13:39:41 <georgem> Tey: If by some chance in hell there is something in there that is bootable you should probably beable to get it to boot with uboot by loading it into ram and having it execute it. See help in u-boot
May 24 13:39:41 <panto> but don't worry, you're young and the wounds will heal pretty soon
May 24 13:39:46 <av500> if the kids are united....
May 24 13:40:12 <av500> they'll boot bin files undivided
May 24 13:40:38 <mdp> rpi boots bin files
May 24 13:40:49 <av500> in soviet bins you
May 24 13:40:53 <panto> OMG we have to bridge the bin gap!
May 24 13:41:06 * panto prepares the doomsday device 
May 24 13:41:24 <av500> Tey: sorry, but it's friday....
May 24 13:41:33 <mdp> 3.11 will bring BIN support
May 24 13:41:36 <mdp> ride the train
May 24 13:41:50 <panto> ride the tiger!
May 24 13:41:57 <mdp> ride the snake
May 24 13:42:00 * georgem breaks out into song
May 24 13:42:59 <georgem> spotify, play DIO :)
May 24 13:45:07 <Tey> hmm
May 24 13:45:51 <panto> yes, we're a bunch of adolescents here too
May 24 13:46:00 <panto> just older and with less hair
May 24 13:46:45 <av500> Tey: as said, nobody does WinCE here
May 24 13:46:50 <av500> though we wince a lot
May 24 13:47:31 <Tey> microsoft sux
May 24 13:47:33 <koen> georgem: there is work being done for e2fsprogs
May 24 13:47:54 <koen> georgem: to add genext2fs functionality there
May 24 13:48:02 <georgem> koen: oh, cool.
May 24 13:48:40 <panto> koen, we could use a method to expand a partition at first boot
May 24 13:48:55 <georgem> koen: I always wondered why e2fsprogs didn't have something to build image files
May 24 13:49:12 <mdp> koen, dvhart's work?
May 24 13:49:17 <koen> yes
May 24 13:49:24 <mdp> good stuff I saw
May 24 13:49:43 <koen> someone else is continuing that
May 24 13:49:59 <mdp> since dvhart went fishing
May 24 13:50:06 <koen> exactly
May 24 13:50:11 <mdp> har har har
May 24 13:50:12 <georgem> panto: I've done that with genext2fs.
May 24 13:50:55 <georgem> sounds like e2fsprogs should beable to build a re-sizable image before too long.
May 24 13:50:58 <koen> pengutronix also has a tool
May 24 13:50:59 <ka6sox> mourning
May 24 13:51:26 <georgem> koen: which one are you referring to?
May 24 13:51:39 <ka6sox> Rickta59, you suggested a tool that looks like the one you showed me but interactive :P
May 24 13:51:41 <koen> genimage
May 24 13:51:49 <georgem> koen: yeah. Im using that.
May 24 13:51:55 <panto> hi ka6sox
May 24 13:52:05 <ka6sox> mourning panto!
May 24 13:52:26 <ka6sox> but now, Coffee!
May 24 13:52:27 <georgem> IIRC that just builds the complete image from the partition images
May 24 13:52:28 <ka6sox> brb
May 24 13:52:33 <Rickta59> did your kid already crank it out?
May 24 13:53:18 <wmat> ka6sox: not sure how current you care to keep the mediawiki software on openembedded.org, but I just upgraded elinux.org to pick up some bug fixes; one in particular that was really killing performance.
May 24 13:53:45 <fiola> Anyone know what this means?  "Jan 02 06:51:24 beaglebone kernel: net eth0: phy 4a101000.mdio:01 not found on slave 1".  It gets logged when I set up networking manually.  Seems to be benign as networking works despite it.
May 24 13:54:42 <georgem> fiola: I think it means there is no phy connected to the second port on the cpsw
May 24 13:55:16 <ka6sox> wmat, I'd love to keep it current, is there an announce or bigfix email list like for jenkins?
May 24 13:55:19 <fiola> Aha, if there was, we'd have an eth1?
May 24 13:55:31 <georgem> fiola: yes. I have a board that does
May 24 13:55:46 <fiola> georgem: Very cool, thanks
May 24 13:55:59 <panto> fiola, yes, there are two gige macs (and a switch) in the die
May 24 13:56:22 <av500> can we make the 2nd gige bitbang usb?
May 24 13:56:40 <panto> the sky is the limit
May 24 13:56:43 <panto> you go ahead
May 24 13:56:49 <fiola> Heh, sounds like there's room for a BeagleBone Max with two interfaces then.  Make it pink please :P
May 24 13:57:28 <av500> fiola: http://www.ti.com/tool/tmdxevm3358
May 24 13:57:30 <av500> there, done
May 24 13:57:37 <av500> with Max price too
May 24 13:57:49 <av500> gee only 1 eth
May 24 13:58:16 <fiola> That's not cute.  BeagleBone form factor is cute :P
May 24 13:58:48 <av500> its the beagleboar
May 24 13:59:34 <kfoltman> I think the first thing I'd expect on BeagleBone Max would be full-res HDMI
May 24 13:59:41 <georgem> I'm using http://www.phytec.com/products/system-on-modules/phycore/am335x/ and just making a carrier board.
May 24 13:59:47 <av500> ah, they removed the 2nd eth on the Max
May 24 13:59:54 <av500> \o/ phytec
May 24 14:00:08 <av500> free beer
May 24 14:01:03 <fiola> Dunno, full res HDMI would bring in the XBMC hordes.  Not sure it's worth the suffering.
May 24 14:01:10 <av500> indeed
May 24 14:01:32 <malcom2073> Heh
May 24 14:01:37 <av500> well, we could add the pi SoC and use it as a frame buffer
May 24 14:01:43 <av500> make a pi cape
May 24 14:02:02 <malcom2073> Haha, that's awesome.
May 24 14:02:05 <malcom2073> (In a bad sorta way)
May 24 14:02:08 <SpeedEvil> I want outputws that can do 2500*1600 displays
May 24 14:02:13 <kfoltman> a better ploy to shift the remaining old part stock? (-:
May 24 14:02:22 <fiola> av500: That's not such a bad idea, it's the only thing the Pi does well, seems appropriate.
May 24 14:02:37 * dm8tbr agrees
May 24 14:02:48 <SpeedEvil> not very long ago, there were wireless arduino shields that cost more than a pi plus a WiFi dongle
May 24 14:02:57 <kfoltman> how about "keeping XBMC hordes at bay", Pi is doing that pretty well...
May 24 14:02:59 <georgem> Someone has to do something about all of this PowerVR madness. If I had a few hundred million $ laying around I start a company to make a low power GPU with open source drivers :)
May 24 14:03:11 <Defiant> uhm, what do you have against the pi?
May 24 14:03:11 <malcom2073> Not very long ago, it cost $50+ just to get ethernet on a arduino, much less wirless heh
May 24 14:03:15 <malcom2073> I have one of those $50 shields
May 24 14:03:42 <fiola> And the cheap Pi model A could be used for that, no need for the broken USB and ether of model B.
May 24 14:04:06 <kfoltman> fiola: "broken USB"... glass houses, stones, etc.
May 24 14:04:19 * kfoltman plugs a keyboard to his BBB... watches it crash
May 24 14:05:04 <ka6sox> kfoltman, are you using a Mac keyboard?
May 24 14:05:31 <georgem> Pry off the windows key and see if it fixes it :)
May 24 14:05:54 <kfoltman> ka6sox: no, but the same thing happens when I connect a USB keyboard or mouse or even a USB soundcard, different kernels (3.2.x, 3.8.6 I think), didn't try the most recent one because I got it as part of opkg upgrade, you can imagine the rest of the story (-:
May 24 14:05:58 <fiola> kfoltman:  Whether or not BBB's USB is broken doesn't impact on Pi.  The Pi's is horribly broken by design of its controller and can't be fixed.  I don't think there are any terminal issues with BBB's USB, just needs work.
May 24 14:06:06 <MrM0bius> wait, how can it crash? i thought linux never did that but windows always did?
May 24 14:06:23 <kfoltman> ka6sox: matter of fact, it was a Microsoft Desktop Wired 600 keyboard
May 24 14:07:19 <ka6sox> kfoltman, I'm just asking because the Mac ones have a hub in them.
May 24 14:07:20 <fiola> Funnily enough, if the Pi had PRUs, they could fix their USB issues since they'd have the realtime response.
May 24 14:07:33 <kfoltman> how is Pi USB terminally broken, other than the infamous fuse problem?
May 24 14:07:39 <georgem> MrM0bius: thats were people go wrong. The difference is that if windows crashes you're pretty much screwed, if Linux crashes you can fix it yourself and move on :)
May 24 14:08:21 <MrM0bius> i still dont buy it
May 24 14:08:31 <kfoltman> georgem: (*) the offer doesn't apply to people who can't learn kernel development quickly enough
May 24 14:08:39 <fiola> kfoltman: Oh, you don't know about the USB controller?  There's a whole thread about it on the Pi forums, RPF engineers explained why it's broken.  Can't be fixed short of programming a new USB handler in the VideoCore.
May 24 14:09:06 <georgem> kfoltman: oh well... who cares about them right? :P
May 24 14:10:12 <panto> fiola, the USB controller is videocore? lol
May 24 14:11:57 <fiola> kfoltman: Short summary:  The Pi's USB hardware is only half a controller, with the driver being required to pick up the rest.  Unfortunately, that requires realtime response so that USB's split transactions are handled in the 1 ms window that's available.  When the ARM is doing something else, it can't meet that response window and so USB events are dropped.
May 24 14:12:36 <georgem> fiola: sounds like it needs PREEMPT RT
May 24 14:12:41 <kfoltman> fiola: ok, thanks!
May 24 14:13:15 <fiola> IOW, Broadcom made the chip not for general purpose hosts, but for a media player that only uses the ARM core for housekeeping and so is always responsive.
May 24 14:14:32 <fiola> Just cost cutting.  They made the BCM2835 for a specific purpose, and it's fine for that.  RPF should not however have chosen it for a general host with general USB requirements.
May 24 14:14:36 <Rickta59> so what sites are authorized to provide infomation about angstrom?
May 24 14:14:51 <georgem> I have PREEMPT RT 3.8.11 running on my beaglebone. Working well so far at least.
May 24 14:15:27 <ka6sox> some sales guy is still laughing...
May 24 14:15:36 <ka6sox> @ broadcom
May 24 14:17:04 <kfoltman> fiola: it could still be worked around (to some extent) by running linux kernel as a guest in some rt microkernel thingy? (xenomai perhaps)
May 24 14:17:18 <panto> georgem, oh?
May 24 14:17:22 <panto> no driver blowups?
May 24 14:17:46 <georgem> panto: nothing obvious. I haven't exactly tested the crap out of it
May 24 14:17:57 <panto> I'm surprised
May 24 14:18:02 <kfoltman> georgem: !!! I'll probably have some questions then :) (I'm working on a e-drum module)
May 24 14:18:23 <ka6sox> the PRU might help here....
May 24 14:19:34 <fiola> kfoltman: Well, Linux's realtime scheduler just limits the large scheduling outliers, it doesn't speed up interrupt response nor reduce response jitter (in fact it slows down the response slightly), so dunno.  It's not like using a PRU.
May 24 14:19:46 <kfoltman> ka6sox: perhaps - I'm currently trying to do the trigger-to-MIDI using a separate stm32f303 (well, a stm32f3discovery board, I'm an electronics n00b), but I was thinking of using a couple of mcp3208 connected to bbb's spi instead, perhaps
May 24 14:20:21 <kfoltman> ka6sox: and then, yes, pru would be handy to do adc scanning/peak detection I suppose
May 24 14:20:31 <ka6sox> mebbe...but Contorting the Linux Kernel to do RT seems like an abomination.
May 24 14:20:59 <ka6sox> kfoltman, you could probably use a 50Mbps ADC on it...
May 24 14:21:01 <ka6sox> so yes.
May 24 14:21:08 <georgem> What kind of response do you need?
May 24 14:21:41 <kfoltman> ka6sox: mixing 32+ streams of audio (based on 100MB+ of samples) doesn't look like a good task for PRUs, I suppose
May 24 14:21:53 <kfoltman> but trigger detection should be easy enough
May 24 14:22:13 <fiola> I use the RT scheduler for Jack audio + MIDI in Linux, and it's only just barely adequate, still get periodic overruns.
May 24 14:22:31 <kfoltman> georgem: I need to run my sample playback code every 1ms, and it may take a significant portion of the CPU time during that (75%+)
May 24 14:23:18 <kfoltman> fiola: I've disabled SMIs on my server box to get stable-ish low latency - risky but it's an atom box so probably not a lot of crying involved if it fries
May 24 14:23:26 <georgem> kfoltman: yeah. thats pretty challenging
May 24 14:23:42 <kfoltman> fiola: (using Xenomai patch - I only use it to disable SMIs, stupid, I know)
May 24 14:24:36 <ka6sox> kfoltman, MIDI or i2s style audio?
May 24 14:25:07 <kfoltman> ka6sox: which one, the BBB drum project or the x86 stuff I run on the server?
May 24 14:25:14 <fiola> Well an STM32F4-Discovery costs a tenner, so if I wanted to make a multiport audio interface I think I'd just stack a bunch of those boards together.  Cortex-M4F is perfect for tasks like that, and Linux isn't.
May 24 14:25:28 <ka6sox> the 32+ streams
May 24 14:25:49 <SpeedEvil> depends
May 24 14:26:01 <SpeedEvil> if your gpio can do DMA, maybe
May 24 14:26:30 <kfoltman> ka6sox: USB audio, actually - i2s if I can learn to write a driver stack
May 24 14:26:30 <ka6sox> the PRUs don't have enough pins to do 32streams
May 24 14:26:47 <SpeedEvil> spdif
May 24 14:26:51 <SpeedEvil> only 16 needed
May 24 14:26:51 <ka6sox> (well the BBB doesnt' rather)
May 24 14:27:03 <kfoltman> fiola: I have F4DISCOVERY, maybe I'm a total moron but I couldn't get the DAC clocking sync to USB frames sorry :(
May 24 14:27:15 <koen> panto: from the preempt rt patchset:
May 24 14:27:15 <koen> Applying: net/cpsw: giant cpsw patch
May 24 14:28:03 <kfoltman> fiola: also, 100MB+ sample set, F4DISCOVERY, hmmm :)
May 24 14:28:14 <fiola> Ouch, evil requirement :P
May 24 14:28:42 <kfoltman> and it's not like it could be easily partitioned so that each board in the stack would have its own part of data - you can have a ride cymbal swell where each voice uses the same sample, at a different point
May 24 14:29:06 <SpeedEvil> setting up large DDR chips isn't that bad
May 24 14:29:20 <panto> hmm, you do know that using the PRU you could have killer low latency for music-like instruments
May 24 14:29:20 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: bus arbitration between several F4 boards?
May 24 14:29:45 <panto> what is the typical latency from the time one hits a key/drum and the time audio comes out?
May 24 14:30:30 <kfoltman> panto: <5ms not including trigger detection (which depends on pad type I think, higher for kick drum or rubber pads, lower for plasticky and mesh pads I suppose)
May 24 14:30:42 <georgem> koen: yes there is a giant cpsw patch that conflicted with net/0003-cpsw-Fix-interrupt-storm-among-other-things.patch. I disabled 003-cpsw-Fix-interrupt-storm-among-other-things.patch until I could sort that out.
May 24 14:30:57 <kfoltman> but that's pulled out of my ass, I didn't do actual input-output measurement with an oscilloscope
May 24 14:31:14 <fiola> panto: If there were a community project for turning a BBB (or a few) into a power instrument or DAW, it would undoubtedly be hugely interesting.
May 24 14:31:36 <panto> in theory you could have latency down to usecs
May 24 14:31:37 <kfoltman> fiola: how about a Hammond organ emulator?
May 24 14:31:47 <kfoltman> fiola: (check)
May 24 14:31:53 <ka6sox> kfoltman, B3
May 24 14:32:00 <panto> but for pre-canned samples, no DSP stuff
May 24 14:32:16 <kfoltman> ka6sox: well, B3-ish - it doesn't have some features, and some parts cut corners
May 24 14:32:29 <ka6sox> no pedals?
May 24 14:32:30 <ka6sox> :)
May 24 14:32:43 <kfoltman> no rotary speaker (but that's Leslie, not B3)
May 24 14:32:52 <ka6sox> right...
May 24 14:33:01 <fiola> kfoltman: Well a hardwired instrument would reduce the potential audience, but a generic one (PRU plugins :P) wouldn't exclude anybody.
May 24 14:33:04 <kfoltman> but I did scanner vibrato, and it kind of sounds OKish
May 24 14:33:12 <ka6sox> I had an uncle who had a Leslie...
May 24 14:33:26 <ka6sox> the motor noise got too bad for me to listen to....
May 24 14:33:27 <kfoltman> fiola: exclusion is good, in a way
May 24 14:33:38 <kfoltman> fiola: my point is "Hammond is already done and working on BBB"
May 24 14:33:46 <fiola> Really?
May 24 14:33:58 <kfoltman> yepz
May 24 14:34:09 <kfoltman> for both points :)
May 24 14:35:54 <kfoltman> fiola: before someone accuses me of talking out of my ass, here's the source (for the audio code) http://repo.or.cz/w/calfbox.git/blob/a40e56e8a9a21f312481e31a39e37cbd81809f53:/tonewheel.c - I didn't put up the BBB build or images online anywhere, but might do it if there's any interest
May 24 14:38:56 <kfoltman> funnily enough, the Hammond emu is the only part of the project that works well on the BBB, because it's mostly integer arithmetic - other engines, like the SFZ-compatible sampler, use floating point arithmetic and are too slow to get any reasonable number of voices (I might rewrite the resampling/filtering code using NEON at some point, I just need more time)
May 24 14:40:46 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/c6rz9w
May 24 14:40:46 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 c44bb5c Koen Kooi: 3.8: add (disabled) preempt-rt patchset, minus cpsw changes...
May 24 14:41:06 <fiola> kfoltman: That's quite some project!  Are you blogging about it?
May 24 14:41:29 <kfoltman> fiola: no, I had a blog, but I close it, no point really
May 24 14:41:30 <kfoltman> closed
May 24 14:42:10 <mranostay> hmmm a bridge went down on I-5 it seems
May 24 14:42:36 <fiola> Oh I don't mean a blog specifically, any kind of site, wiki etc.  I think it could inspire a lot of people, open source being a bit of an underdog for musicians.
May 24 14:45:03 <fiola> Not to mention inspiring BBB users with ideas, even if they don't make music.
May 24 14:45:42 <fiola> They might want to listen to yours, haha :P
May 24 14:45:48 <kfoltman> fiola: it's not strictly BBB-related, I just picked BBB as the first non-x86 platform to run it (after failed experiments with RPi - too slow - and some Chinese TV-stick - way too unstable)
May 24 14:46:13 <fiola> k
May 24 14:48:41 <fiola> I thought I'd got rid of all traces of dropear in favor of openssh, but apparently not -- "systemd[1]: Cannot add dependency job for unit dropbear.socket, ignoring: Unit dropbear.socket failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status dropbear.socket' for details."
May 24 14:49:14 <georgem> yeah, seems not
May 24 14:49:48 <ka6sox> mranostay, stay home, the cat will thank you....
May 24 14:51:19 <KotH> mranostay: either you had an earthquake or someone saved money on the materials or design
May 24 14:52:01 <mranostay> later
May 24 14:52:04 <mranostay> *latter
May 24 14:52:25 <ka6sox> KotH, an oversized Truck hit the bridge
May 24 14:52:43 <ka6sox> but Trusses don't like to be crumpled...
May 24 14:52:46 <ka6sox> so it failed.
May 24 14:54:43 <levi> Where on I-5?
May 24 14:55:23 <ka6sox> Burlington WA
May 24 14:55:31 <ka6sox> Near Anacortes
May 24 14:57:56 <wmat> interesting, the #1 and #2 most popular pages on elinux.org are now RPi pages.  BeagleBoard page is #3.
May 24 14:58:13 <kfoltman> that's not bad given all the exposure that Pi had
May 24 14:58:31 <kfoltman> and the price of BeagleBoard
May 24 14:58:38 <ka6sox> (up till now)
May 24 14:58:59 <wmat> it took roughly 1 year
May 24 14:59:12 <ka6sox> for beagle to be unseated?
May 24 14:59:29 <wmat> specifically, for the RPi pages to jump to the top
May 24 14:59:53 <ka6sox> kk
May 24 15:00:07 * panto despairs with the retarded remoteproc resource blob format
May 24 15:00:17 <wmat> i'm not complaining, it's just interesting
May 24 15:02:12 <fiola> wmat:  BBB is only just starting to come into stock, will be interesting to see the community in 6 months time.
May 24 15:05:49 <kfoltman> Anyway, if anyone's interested in trying out the Hammond thingy, I might polish things up and put up some web page with build script and some basic instructions. It requires a USB MIDI interface (for input), a USB audio interface (for output), and obviously a USB hub - all of which must be class compliant (the code uses libusb instead of ALSA to talk to outside world).
May 24 15:06:12 <ka6sox> kfoltman, LOVE the B3 sound :)
May 24 15:06:19 <SpeedEvil> there are also interesting smaller Linux boards at 20€ or so
May 24 15:06:33 <SpeedEvil> with wifi and 16m ram
May 24 15:06:45 <ka6sox> 16MB?
May 24 15:06:48 <kfoltman> :O
May 24 15:07:04 <kfoltman> does Linux even run on that :D
May 24 15:07:09 <SpeedEvil> fine for remote sensors or switches
May 24 15:07:22 <SpeedEvil> my DSL router has 8
May 24 15:07:52 <kfoltman> right, if you need wifi, it probably makes sense
May 24 15:07:57 <georgem> yeah, if you've got busybox doing mostly everything it doesnt take much
May 24 15:08:44 <SpeedEvil> its at the sort of price point that sticking one in all your light switches doesn't hurt too bad
May 24 15:08:53 <ka6sox> where "everything" is defined as a very small subset of the universe...
May 24 15:09:04 <georgem> SpeedEvil: I had that thought
May 24 15:09:44 <ka6sox> MSP430 with Touch Sensor backpack....
May 24 15:10:49 <kfoltman> ka6sox: any mcu - but I thought wifi is the main problem for those
May 24 15:11:28 <kfoltman> "tap the top border of the light switch to turn on the light upstairs, tap the bottom border to activate the trap door"
May 24 15:13:20 <georgem> I keep trying to think of beaglebone project that would actually result in something worth while.
May 24 15:13:55 <Defiant> like world domination?
May 24 15:14:04 <georgem> hehe
May 24 15:34:32 <fiola> Could the BBB's USB client/gadget port be made to behave like a USB keyboard or mouse, plugged into another machine's host port?
May 24 15:35:08 <kfoltman> Why not? It's a USB device port?
May 24 15:37:02 <SpeedEvil> there are a limited set of USB gadget drivers already written though
May 24 15:37:22 <fiola> Indeed, seems reasonable enough.  The next question was going to be whether it would work through a USB->PS/2 adapter (passive) for plugging into PS/2 mouse or keyboard port.  And the question after that was going to be whether it could do both simultaneously.
May 24 15:37:25 <mranostay> georgem: missile launcher
May 24 15:37:48 <SpeedEvil> fiola: no
May 24 15:37:56 <kfoltman> USB->PS/2 adapter (passive) - wait, what?
May 24 15:38:08 <mru> bitbang ps/2 on the pru
May 24 15:38:11 <SpeedEvil> the passive converters rely on the USB peripheral also talking PS/2
May 24 15:38:43 <SpeedEvil> they basically only worked for some mice and keyboards sold between maybe 99 and 05
May 24 15:39:30 <fiola> mru: should be pretty easy to bit bang the simple PS/2 signals, so yeah, could do that.  I was wondering if anything would be saved by using the (unused) upstream gadget port.
May 24 15:39:54 <fiola> SpeedEvil, yeah, I noticed, working combinations are VERY rare :P
May 24 15:40:31 <SpeedEvil> there were ps2 host to USB device adaptors
May 24 15:40:34 <kfoltman> Does anyone know if beaglebone ADC ports have clamping diodes / tolerate highish voltage/low current transients?
May 24 15:40:41 <SpeedEvil> they were quite rare thoiufh
May 24 15:41:36 <mranostay> mru: what uses PS/2 still?
May 24 15:41:40 <mranostay> credit card readers?
May 24 15:42:07 <SpeedEvil> I routinely use a ps2 keyboard
May 24 15:42:16 <SpeedEvil> keyboard/track point
May 24 15:42:28 <malcom2073> I keep a PS2 keyboard around, for the occasional motherboard that doesn't support usb kb in bios
May 24 15:42:35 <SpeedEvil> the usb version got a redesigned layout I don't like
May 24 15:42:36 <fiola> SpeedEvil: This is for a local use that would be awesome for me, because I have an 8-port high res KVM that does both USB and PS/2 on the machines side, but only PS/2 on the console side, which is a right pain.
May 24 15:43:04 <SpeedEvil> ps2 keyboards are cheap on eBay
May 24 15:43:53 <mranostay> what is the bitrate for PS/2? low kbps?
May 24 15:44:20 <malcom2073> mranostay: http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol/
May 24 15:45:29 <fiola> Last thing I want is another PS/2 keyboard, cause no end of trouble.  The point would be to eliminate the PS/2 except for a short hop from BBB to KVM.  And the BBB would also allow other HID devices on USB or network to hook into the KVM's PS/2 inputs too, so very flexible.
May 24 15:46:22 <fiola> Like Synergy2, but without the silly switching on window borders.
May 24 15:47:11 <kfoltman> Isn't it easier to just eliminate the silly switching in software?
May 24 15:47:40 <fiola> Yep, but still need the upstream hook into PS/2.
May 24 15:47:53 <m_billybob> mornin
May 24 15:48:01 * fiola waves
May 24 15:48:21 <m_billybob> see you have grand plans to take ove rthe world going on in here ;)
May 24 15:48:22 <kfoltman> hi m_billybob
May 24 15:48:39 <m_billybob> hi
May 24 15:48:53 <fiola> m_billybob: world domination is just the warmup project
May 24 15:49:48 <m_billybob> ;)
May 24 15:50:24 <fiola> The really tough one is to make the microwave turntable stop turning when the mug is pointing to the door.
May 24 15:50:41 <kfoltman> doesn't this PS/2 thing look like a poor man's I2C?
May 24 15:50:47 <fiola> mug handle* :P
May 24 15:51:14 <mru> round things don't point
May 24 15:51:23 <mru> except axially
May 24 15:51:52 <fiola> Yeah, PS/2 is Jurassic.
May 24 15:52:20 <panto> fiola, more reliable than usb for sure
May 24 15:52:58 <mru> I've never seen a bios hang because of a ps2 kbd
May 24 15:53:14 <dm8tbr> 'press F1 to continue'
May 24 15:53:50 <fiola> You missed the good part:  "No keyboard detected, press F1 to continue".
May 24 15:54:12 <cmicali> anyone know the story behind the preempt-rt patches going into the beagle bone 3.8 kernel tree?
May 24 15:55:25 <KotH> fiola: what problem do you have with old style kbds?
May 24 15:55:28 <malcom2073> [11:53:56] <fiola> You missed the good part:  "No keyboard detected, press F1 to continue". <- That message has caused me more headaches...
May 24 15:55:51 * dm8tbr still uses keyboards with DIN-5 connector
May 24 15:56:04 <kfoltman> malcom2073: Especially when it's the default BIOS setting after RTC battery runs out? ;)
May 24 15:56:09 <dm8tbr> although I have an adapter for PS/2 and then to USB... :/
May 24 15:56:09 <KotH> fiola: and the kbd interface is older than the ps/2.. it was iirc present in the first PCs and that was derived from another ibm computer kbd
May 24 15:56:14 <malcom2073> kfoltman: bingo!
May 24 15:56:58 <dm8tbr> AT-interface is electrically compatible with PS/2 - AFAIU
May 24 15:57:05 <KotH> dm8tbr: it is the same :)
May 24 15:57:17 <KotH> just smaller connector
May 24 15:57:20 <KotH> even the pinout is the same
May 24 15:57:22 <dm8tbr> as the adapter are just plain wires
May 24 15:57:41 <dm8tbr> yup
May 24 15:58:19 <KotH> but don't they teach these stuff in school anymore?
May 24 15:58:20 <fiola> KotH: not with the keyboard, but with PS/2.  (i) It's not RF immune, and (ii) it doesn't detect frame/packet loss, so if anything happens mid-frame you end up with messed-up input.  If you're LUCKY you just get a desync, if not then your whole app or xterm etc is hosed.
May 24 15:58:43 <KotH> fiola: huh? what?
May 24 15:59:07 <dm8tbr> fiola: that was mostly the keyboard controllers sh*tting themselves if they got a tiny little bit of RF...
May 24 15:59:18 <KotH> fiola: if you have RF input strong enough to mess with a shielded kable with 5V TTL signals that are clocked at a rate of a couple kHz, then i'm surprised that your PC is running at all
May 24 15:59:22 <fiola> dm8tbr: yeah
May 24 15:59:47 * KotH never had that problem
May 24 15:59:48 * dm8tbr measured a case once and they gave up already >3V/m
May 24 15:59:59 <KotH> but then, i never had a 1kW HF transmitter at home either
May 24 16:00:07 <dm8tbr> but the keyboards were crappy SINIX
May 24 16:00:11 <fiola> Seriously RF immunity, if you have a radio amateur mast anywhere in the neighbourhood then your mouse wanders all over the screen etc.
May 24 16:00:20 <fiola> bad*
May 24 16:00:32 <KotH> fiola: does it have a CE symbol on the mouse?
May 24 16:00:34 <dm8tbr> that field was generated by a 'modestly sized' amplifier capable of about 10kW HF peak
May 24 16:00:36 <kfoltman> fiola: isn't that just a question of proper cables?
May 24 16:00:55 <KotH> fiola: if yes, ask the manufacturer how they would like if someone would look up their certification documents
May 24 16:00:56 <fiola> Nah, it's the controller like dm8 says
May 24 16:01:16 <dm8tbr> which is easy enough to fix with proper cabling
May 24 16:01:25 <dm8tbr> ferrite inside the kbd/mouse
May 24 16:01:29 <KotH> yeah
May 24 16:01:31 <dm8tbr> and shielded cables
May 24 16:01:42 <mru> monster cables
May 24 16:01:54 <dm8tbr> I laughed the computer lab out the door when they complained about their 'computers locking up'
May 24 16:02:06 * KotH did a cable bound 100W injection EMC test on tuesday
May 24 16:02:09 <kfoltman> mru: I think that's a lawsuit ;)
May 24 16:02:18 <fiola> It helps, but never cures it entirely.  I've had so many KVMs here, they all suffered in varying degrees.  With USB, it never ever happens.
May 24 16:02:20 <KotH> it was fun to watch all the measurment instruments go crazy :)
May 24 16:02:46 <mru> monsters are clearly superior to mice
May 24 16:02:49 <dm8tbr> sure HF can do nasty things :>
May 24 16:02:49 <cmicali> koth: did you do it in a chamber?
May 24 16:02:58 <KotH> dm8tbr: did they have these gamer PC cases with the plexi glass sides? :)
May 24 16:02:59 <kfoltman> what about monster mice?
May 24 16:03:06 <KotH> cmicali: yes, but the door was open
May 24 16:03:15 <mru> fiola: usb is differential
May 24 16:03:17 <cmicali> koth: cool, always wanted to do that
May 24 16:03:23 <dm8tbr> KotH: SINIX keyboard with unshielded cable and an RJ11 connector on the kbd side...
May 24 16:03:33 <KotH> cmicali: the EMC test was cable bound, so very little emission
May 24 16:03:52 <KotH> cmicali: we were in the chamber just because all the wires for the measurment instruments go in there
May 24 16:03:59 <KotH> cmicali: you can do the test on your desk
May 24 16:04:09 <KotH> dm8tbr: well... then... no surprise
May 24 16:04:12 <cmicali> koth: what do you use to generate the signal?
May 24 16:04:22 <dm8tbr> KotH: see 'laughed them out the door'
May 24 16:04:28 <KotH> cmicali: some R&S synth with an R&S amp
May 24 16:04:38 <dm8tbr> ah, expensiveâ„¢
May 24 16:04:52 <cmicali> koth: how bananas did your system go
May 24 16:04:54 <KotH> dm8tbr: they do CE acredition.. they need to have expensive equipment :)
May 24 16:04:59 <dm8tbr> sure
May 24 16:05:07 <KotH> cmicali: not at all
May 24 16:05:15 <cmicali> nicely done
May 24 16:05:26 <KotH> only partly our work
May 24 16:05:36 <KotH> design was done by a polnish group
May 24 16:05:47 <KotH> we only had to verify and get it pass the tests
May 24 16:05:48 <dm8tbr> well that's the idea of doing proper EMC
May 24 16:05:52 <cmicali> ah, from polnand
May 24 16:05:57 <dm8tbr> lol
May 24 16:06:01 <dm8tbr> that's a new one
May 24 16:06:15 <KotH> dm8tbr: ehmm.. proper design looks different than what we got...
May 24 16:06:38 <dm8tbr> KotH: yes, you complained to me in person at ELCE(?)
May 24 16:06:53 <KotH> dm8tbr: labling a network HGND which is actually on -1kV isnt ... nice
May 24 16:07:03 <fiola> Anyway, the best suggestion I think was "bit-bang PS/2" into some short PS/2 leads, with line drivers.  I can shield the short hop from BBB to KVM to kingdom come.
May 24 16:07:05 <mru> proper rarely equals actual
May 24 16:07:15 <dm8tbr> KotH: that's 'exciting'
May 24 16:07:40 <KotH> dm8tbr: it gets even better
May 24 16:07:57 <mru> KotH: but it has lots of potential
May 24 16:08:47 <KotH> dm8tbr: the system needs to be initialized over an isolated SPI bus. the initialization has to be done within 20ms of startup. but the SPI isolation has a maximum frequency of 10kHz... and you need to clock in 60 or so bytes
May 24 16:09:25 <kfoltman> is there any decent documentation on using PRU on BBB?
May 24 16:09:47 <KotH> kfoltman: there is spruh73c.pdf
May 24 16:09:53 <dm8tbr> KotH: 'challenging'
May 24 16:10:05 <KotH> dm8tbr: ofc that was nowhere documented
May 24 16:10:21 <KotH> dm8tbr: we even had to reverse engineer the intialization string....
May 24 16:10:37 <dm8tbr> duuuh
May 24 16:10:39 <fiola> Jason said he was going to extract the PRU chapter from SPRUH73C and stick in on Github with the PRU materials.
May 24 16:10:41 <KotH> dm8tbr: you wouldnt believe that this is going to fly onto a space station...
May 24 16:12:49 <KotH> anyways.. time for a proper weekend!
May 24 16:12:52 <KotH> have fun boys
May 24 16:12:56 <KotH> dont drink too much
May 24 16:13:07 <dm8tbr> enjoy
May 24 16:13:09 <KotH> especially ensure that mranostay isnt drinking too much
May 24 16:13:17 <dm8tbr> don't drink too much juice
May 24 16:13:23 <KotH> i wont..
May 24 16:13:38 <KotH> i'll be drinking tea in this weahter :)
May 24 16:15:15 <mru> is there _anywhere_ with good weather?
May 24 16:15:18 <kfoltman> there's this - https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package - but I don't know if it's not another red herring
May 24 16:16:25 <mranostay> KotH: 3 day weekend that can't be promised
May 24 16:16:27 <mru> spruh73c is on elinux.org
May 24 16:16:36 <fiola> kfoltman: That's not a red herring, those are the official PRU materials.  The missing chapter (4) from SPRUH73C will end up there too when jkridner gets around to it.
May 24 16:16:47 <mranostay> the evil TRM?
May 24 16:16:57 <panto> question
May 24 16:17:03 <panto> what is the license of pasm?
May 24 16:17:15 <panto> can I stick in the linux kernel tree?
May 24 16:17:32 <mru> use at your own peril?
May 24 16:17:43 * kfoltman -> home
May 24 16:18:12 <mru> we'd tell you, but then we'd have to sue you?
May 24 16:18:24 <panto> fsck it them
May 24 16:18:26 <panto> *then
May 24 16:18:44 <mru> I have no idea
May 24 16:19:24 <mranostay> panto: i beleive it is BSD
May 24 16:19:32 <mranostay> or some TI bastard version of it
May 24 16:19:37 <panto> it appears so
May 24 16:20:28 <panto> well, I can use it for my case
May 24 16:20:48 <panto> maybe it shouldn't be picked up for release
May 24 16:23:34 <mranostay> everyone hide from NishanthMenon
May 24 16:23:59 * mru scurries under a bridge
May 24 16:24:11 * NishanthMenon runs off back to the bunker
May 24 16:24:12 <mranostay> not in Seattle right?
May 24 16:24:13 <NishanthMenon> :P
May 24 16:24:44 <mru> mranostay: I'm in berlin at the moment
May 24 16:25:04 <mranostay> the germans let you in?
May 24 16:25:22 <mranostay> _av500_: you guys are really slipping
May 24 16:25:22 <mru> seems that way
May 24 16:25:36 <fiola> Oh cool, Jason did upload chapter 4 from spruh73c to Github, it's that am335xPruReferenceGuide.pdf file at top level.  The Pi hordes can no longer say "PRU isn't documented". :P
May 24 16:26:46 <mranostay> does it have the secret instructions?
May 24 16:27:10 <mru> then they wouldn't be secret
May 24 16:27:28 <mranostay> TI can't keep a secret for the life of them :P
May 24 16:28:01 <fiola> The NOOP instruction is proprietary and restricted under NDA :P
May 24 16:28:33 <mru> mranostay: but don't tell anyone, it's secret
May 24 16:29:01 <easyw> Hi, I have a BB Black and I attached a HDMI monitor... there is a flickering... how can I change resolution / frequency for the monitor? (Angstrom Linux beaglebone 3.8.11)
May 24 16:29:08 <fiola> Worse than just secret, it's s3kr37.
May 24 16:32:31 <fiola> easyw: Don't have an answer, but I plugged my BBB into HDMI within the last hour for the first time (was using console before), and I notice that it offers only one resolution and doesn't read my monitor's EDID.
May 24 16:35:06 <easyw> fiola: I noticed that, but the problem is that the screen is jittering... in System, Preferences, Monitor I can see Resolution 1280x720, refresh rate 0 ???
May 24 16:39:52 <fiola> easyw:  My BBB set itself to 1280x1024 (the monitor does up to 1920x1200), but the refresh is showing same as yours, 0Hz.
May 24 16:41:41 <easyw> fiola: I have 1920x1080 monitor resolution, I get 1280x720 @ BBB but the screen is flickering ...
May 24 16:42:02 <fiola> The window manager is driving me nuts, and apparently there is no IceWM package in Angstrom.  I'll try compiling from source.
May 24 16:42:55 <fiola> Right after I get rid of gdm.
May 24 16:54:43 <lolizo> HI
May 24 16:55:05 <lolizo> helloo
May 24 16:55:12 <lolizo> i have one question
May 24 16:57:25 <m_billybob> im sure there is an answer somewhere
May 24 16:57:35 <m_billybob> as long as its a reasonable question
May 24 16:57:40 <malcom2073> Just one? I got a lot more than that heh
May 24 16:57:48 <m_billybob> malcom2073 me too lol
May 24 16:58:04 <m_billybob> all in good time though
May 24 16:58:14 <m_billybob> lolizo, dont ask to ask, just ask ;)
May 24 16:59:19 <lolizo> ping 8.8.8.8
May 24 17:00:08 <malcom2073> Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=104ms TTL=53
May 24 17:00:17 <m_billybob> heh
May 24 17:00:27 <Rickta59> heh malcom2073 you need a faster connection
May 24 17:00:31 <m_billybob> "no such address found . . ."
May 24 17:01:02 <malcom2073> Rickta59: Wanna pay the $30k for me to get one? I've asked :P
May 24 17:01:04 <fiola> Reply from 8.8.8.8:  "Open access DNS has been withdrawn, please login to your Google Account for further use."
May 24 17:01:39 <m_billybob> or just "bend over and take it we're trackign every move you're making . . "
May 24 17:01:55 <fiola> (It's only a matter of time. :P)
May 24 17:01:56 <georgem> yup
May 24 17:02:02 <mru> just run your own dns
May 24 17:02:06 <panto> ok, pasm included, and in kernel pru firmware assembling works
May 24 17:02:11 <m_billybob> they already track you fiola, googles DNS servers.
May 24 17:02:16 <georgem> yay for off shore vpn accounts :)
May 24 17:02:26 <mru> I don't think the root servers care who you are
May 24 17:02:54 <panto> the root servers don't care about us man
May 24 17:03:00 <panto> down with them
May 24 17:03:17 <m_billybob> if you use google DNS, check netstat you'll see like 6+ open connections
May 24 17:05:56 <panto> anyone having problems with github right now?
May 24 17:06:22 <fiola> It's fun to run tyhe Ghostery add-on in Firefox and watch the trackers all being blocked.  On some pages there's over a dozen of them.
May 24 17:07:28 <fiola> panto: the PRU package page on Github opens fine here, haven't tried git today.
May 24 17:07:40 <panto> can't push
May 24 17:08:15 <panto> ERROR: Storage server temporarily offline. See http://status.github.com for GitHub system status.
May 24 17:08:23 <fiola> Eeek
May 24 17:08:37 <mru> fiola: you can track people by what they block too
May 24 17:09:48 <fiola> mru: With limited success when you run NoScript, FlashBlock, AdBlock, and Ghostery.  Sure, they can correlate IP addresses, but need some info against which to correlate them.
May 24 17:09:59 <m_billybob> I *think* most of it is for advertizing, maybe all of it, and sometimes, its even useful to the end user, but meh . . . i dont trust corporations.
May 24 17:10:45 <mdp> olimex keeps cranking out nice designs
May 24 17:10:51 <fiola> The other benefit of running all those blockers is that the Web becomes usable again.  Almost.
May 24 17:10:59 <m_billybob> lol
May 24 17:11:13 <mru> fiola: the fact that you're blocking all that carries some information
May 24 17:11:17 <m_billybob> yeah that is why i stopped using googles DNS it was noticably slowing my connection down
May 24 17:11:44 <m_billybob> when you dont have a fat pipe every litle bit counts
May 24 17:11:54 <mru> before you ask, of course I use blockers
May 24 17:12:06 <lolizo> halo
May 24 17:12:18 * mdp catches up and notes there will never be anything more official that spruh73c.pdf
May 24 17:12:29 <mru> but mainly because they remove clutter and speed things up
May 24 17:12:42 <kfoltman> blockers?
May 24 17:12:53 <panto> blotters
May 24 17:13:17 <fiola> kfoltman:  NoScript, FlashBlock, AdBlock, and Ghostery
May 24 17:13:40 <fiola> kfoltman:  Firefox add-ons
May 24 17:13:41 <mru> ad blockers, beta blockers, any blockers
May 24 17:13:45 <mdp> panto, for extra bigboard points, please refer all pru questions to the elinux pru page
May 24 17:13:49 <kfoltman> fiola: thx, I didn't have context of the conversation :)
May 24 17:14:23 <panto> mdp, I still expect you to take a look at the pru_rproc stuff
May 24 17:14:57 <fiola> mdp: Jason's put that chapter from spruh73c into the PRU resources on Github now.
May 24 17:15:04 <mdp> panto, I will, just got back from lunch appt..have meeting shortly
May 24 17:15:33 <mdp> fiola, and yet we already had it all neatly documented ;)
May 24 17:15:33 <mdp> he's too late
May 24 17:15:39 <mdp> thanks ka6sox
May 24 17:16:17 <mdp> fiola, did he scrub the sekrit scratch regs, though?
May 24 17:16:26 <fiola> mdp: Sure, *we* did, but BBB newcomers don't because the current version lacks it
May 24 17:17:10 <fiola> It gives the Pi hordes less ammo to fling.  They're rapidly running out :P
May 24 17:18:05 <mdp> fiola, it's all cited on the wiki page
May 24 17:18:14 <mdp> for BBB newcomers
May 24 17:18:38 <fiola> Sure, but it's now in official Beagleboard.org resources.
May 24 17:19:40 <mdp> *finally*
May 24 17:50:34 <panto> time to head out
May 24 17:50:42 <mranostay> panto: how dare you
May 24 17:50:51 <panto> beer > mranostay
May 24 17:50:53 <panto> cya
May 24 17:51:00 <mranostay> panto: how dare you
May 24 17:51:27 <mdp> you're on record already mumbling some insanity about "too much" beer
May 24 17:51:39 <mdp> so we can't take you seriously now
May 24 17:59:51 <mranostay> people ever did?
May 24 18:01:42 <georgem> heh
May 24 18:13:53 <Guest22281> hi all, hdmi output does not work. i have tryed different cable (conrad and hama) lg display and benq. any hints?
May 24 18:24:24 <dm8tbr> Guest22281: on which hardware?
May 24 18:24:34 <dm8tbr> Guest22281: running which OS?
May 24 18:25:51 <Guest22281> beagleboard black, inital firmware
May 24 18:28:03 <clockman> anyone have the problem of the beaglebone (black) terminating a gnuscreen session after logging out of SSH? I'm running stock angstrom.
May 24 18:31:30 <Guest22281> bbb rev A5A
May 24 18:35:04 <clockman> yup
May 24 18:36:35 <clockman> more specifically, it looks like it terminates the screen session not when I log out of SSH, but when I log back IN to ssh
May 24 18:38:12 <dm8tbr> Guest22281: does usb or ethernet work?
May 24 18:39:25 <Guest22281> yes, all fine form firefox or shh
May 24 18:41:51 <Guest22281> witch resolution is supported 1920x1020?
May 24 18:44:26 <dm8tbr> no
May 24 18:44:33 <dm8tbr> it goes up to 720p
May 24 18:45:20 <Rickta59> page 68 of the BBB service reference manual .. 1920x1080@24Hz
May 24 18:45:33 <Rickta59> page 68 of the BBB service reference manual .. 1280x720@69Hz
May 24 18:45:37 <Rickta59> page 68 of the BBB service reference manual .. 1280x720@60Hz
May 24 18:45:44 <Rickta59> 69 was wrong
May 24 18:46:14 <dm8tbr> yeah, but not everything will support the 24fps mode I guess
May 24 18:46:48 <Rickta59> you should find that doc Guest22281
May 24 18:46:59 <Rickta59> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack#Hardware_Files
May 24 18:47:15 <Rickta59> SRM pdf on that page
May 24 18:48:50 <Guest22281> but my raspi works; it is not a cable problem.....
May 24 18:49:27 <Rickta59> i don't see how that means anything Guest22281
May 24 18:51:05 <Guest22281> thanks ill RTFM, bye
May 24 19:19:52 * Spirilis throws a bone
May 24 19:20:19 <ka6sox> Rickta59, you here?
May 24 19:29:17 <old-papa-work> Anyone know if the Beaglebone Black supports LCD's above 10" with touch using android?
May 24 19:29:37 <agmlego> I see no reason the physical dimensions of the screen matter at all.
May 24 19:29:52 <old-papa-work> Direct interface ne ok then..
May 24 19:29:59 <old-papa-work> LCD panel..
May 24 19:30:16 <ka6sox> I don't know that Android is supported on the BBB.
May 24 19:30:34 <old-papa-work> Ok, guess I need to check..
May 24 19:30:43 <agmlego> You want to directly drive a bare LCD?
May 24 19:30:50 <agmlego> With no controller?
May 24 19:30:54 <agmlego> Have fun with that.
May 24 19:31:15 <old-papa-work> Yup, trying to keep the board count down..
May 24 19:31:26 <old-papa-work> Thats what I was wondering..
May 24 19:31:49 <old-papa-work> Trying to take the place of a Android Tablet..
May 24 19:32:02 <old-papa-work> Basically the same function..
May 24 19:32:07 <ka6sox> buy a $50 tablet...
May 24 19:32:11 <SpeedEvil> the pi can do it with the DMA engine
May 24 19:32:27 <SpeedEvil> not high res modern ones though
May 24 19:32:51 <old-papa-work> Using tablet now.. we need to get away from tablet so it can be water-proofed..
May 24 19:33:14 <old-papa-work> I'm at the very early stage.. looking for development right now..
May 24 19:33:16 <SpeedEvil> waterproofing a tablet is easy
May 24 19:33:47 <m_billybob> dont know about touch but know the bbb is capable of 1080p atleast acording to what ive read by Gerald on the groups
May 24 19:33:55 <SpeedEvil> you put it in a box, potted against the front of the box with optical silicone, and an external buttons
May 24 19:34:06 <m_billybob> seem to recall somethign about "no touch" but not positive
May 24 19:34:14 <old-papa-work> Being part of a system, current tablet is a Xoom.. damn thing got very upset when water touch the screen..
May 24 19:34:53 <old-papa-work> Need to pass medical...  3 step process..
May 24 19:34:55 <SpeedEvil> capacitive touch is annoying
May 24 19:35:36 <SpeedEvil> use a tablet with otg, plug a HID device in, use that as control
May 24 19:36:39 <old-papa-work> Well, be nice, this is what they have.. they want to move away from a tablet due to of its availability..
May 24 19:37:28 <old-papa-work> Being that it be in the medical area.. has to be ~ 10" for visability..
May 24 19:38:11 <SpeedEvil> I wouldn't use a beagle, but an industrial PC
May 24 19:38:25 <SpeedEvil> unless power is a concern
May 24 19:39:02 <old-papa-work> Yup, power is, needs to run ~ 8hrs off battery, will have a large enuf Li-Ion in the box..
May 24 19:39:07 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 24 19:39:39 <SpeedEvil> what sort of display?
May 24 19:39:55 <SpeedEvil> does it need to be general graphics?
May 24 19:40:25 <old-papa-work> It will have adjustments to control oxygen, mixture of gases  of some type.. display of flow, then will pull history
May 24 19:40:42 <old-papa-work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBbb3azUstI
May 24 19:41:01 <old-papa-work> I looked at this..  This tells me it can be done..
May 24 19:41:27 <old-papa-work> I'm also looking ay pcDruino..
May 24 19:41:46 <old-papa-work> Need to have I/O's both digital and analog..
May 24 19:42:40 <old-papa-work> Either case, I be ordering a few to start playing (learning)
May 24 19:51:06 <ketas> i still don't get what are beaglebone black battery pins for?
May 24 19:51:52 <SpeedEvil> Old - ... Is this a life-critical device?
May 24 19:52:22 <SpeedEvil> There is no way you're getting that approved stock android unless you verify every specific bit of software.
May 24 19:52:52 <old-papa-work> Could be.. Not to sure, I can check
May 24 19:53:04 <old-papa-work> Will need FDA, has one currently..
May 24 19:53:20 <SpeedEvil> You need a device you can prove the software will not cause adverse events.
May 24 19:53:54 <ketas> does that mean that this chip there can charge li-ion battery?
May 24 19:54:23 <SpeedEvil> Doing that with linux and a complex software stack may be essentially impossible. Using an android device to control a smaller processor with auditable code is common
May 24 19:54:50 <SpeedEvil> Some people over on #edev have done medical electronics
May 24 19:55:24 <old-papa-work> Ok, it is,,
May 24 19:56:10 <old-papa-work> Oh, reason for android is software currently runs on it..  reason for why I want android.. not to make a new wheel
May 24 19:56:33 <ketas> why exactly android
May 24 19:56:35 <SpeedEvil> Well, if you can get it approved...
May 24 19:56:54 <SpeedEvil> I, personally, would never ever ever ever ever ever want anything life critical running on android.
May 24 19:57:12 <ketas> but on windows?
May 24 19:57:13 <old-papa-work> Yup, software works good, and it is approved in its current state.
May 24 19:57:13 <ketas> :)
May 24 19:58:18 <old-papa-work> re-invent the wheel..
May 24 19:59:00 <ketas> make it triangle-shaped
May 24 19:59:11 <old-papa-work> hex..
May 24 19:59:18 <ketas> hexwheel? :)
May 24 19:59:21 <old-papa-work> or octal..
May 24 19:59:28 <ketas> binary wheel
May 24 19:59:38 <old-papa-work> 8 bit
May 24 19:59:49 <old-papa-work> I need more I/O's
May 24 19:59:50 <ketas> so TPS65217 can charge li-ion battery?
May 24 20:02:40 <PeteS> Does someone on here know a decent amount about OE and Angstrom?
May 24 20:03:31 <kfoltman> ketas: "It provides a linear battery charger for single-cell Li-ion and Li-Polymer batteries, (...)"
May 24 20:03:34 <kfoltman> ketas: http://www.ti.com/product/tps65217b
May 24 20:04:38 <ketas> kfoltman: yea, i
May 24 20:04:47 <ketas> i'm reading some pdf now
May 24 20:05:05 <PeteS> Am I right in thinking even after building the Angstrom kernel I dont have the full source? Just the patches?
May 24 20:05:20 <ketas> kfoltman: so provided that i connect it properly, bbb can have battery backup?
May 24 20:05:44 <kfoltman> ketas: I have no idea, but I suppose the 4 pins (or, rather, holes) aren't there by accident
May 24 20:06:28 <ka6sox> PeteS, you download the kernel sources as part of the build process.
May 24 20:06:42 <PeteS> I cant find them.
May 24 20:07:02 <ketas> kfoltman: must read more about that
May 24 20:07:05 <PeteS> Say I want to find the w1-gpio source, its not there
May 24 20:07:17 <ketas> kfoltman: i wonder if random phone battery will work? :)
May 24 20:10:01 <ketas> that sounds like power manager for phone anyway
May 24 20:10:04 <ketas> led driver...
May 24 20:14:14 <kfoltman> I was kind of shocked when I learned that this 48 pin chip is a "power manager", wtf? then I've read the feature list....... o...kay
May 24 20:15:09 <DJWillis> PeteS: If you have bitbaked the kernel you will have the source tree that was used (the main code blended with the patches) on your disk.
May 24 20:16:07 <kfoltman> ketas: well, led driver = high current gpio I suppose, you don't want to connect the LEDs to the SoC directly :) and discrete transistors per LED, or a separate gpio/buffer would take up too much space on a PCB
May 24 20:17:36 <kfoltman> PeteS: there is this script pack that does all the necessary downloading/patching, you run patch.sh  and it downloads all the necessary ingredients and cooks a fully patched source tree
May 24 20:17:47 <kfoltman> PeteS: git://github.com/beagleboard/kernel.git if my .git/config is correct
May 24 20:18:07 <ketas> kfoltman: hah, you didn't know what what the TPS65217 is there for?
May 24 20:19:31 <kfoltman> ketas: I didn't
May 24 20:19:42 <Spirilis> that chip blew my mind a bit when I saw it too
May 24 20:21:02 <kfoltman> ketas: it's about as big as the lower-tier STM32 MCUs, so I've looked it up and... oops :)
May 24 20:24:45 <ka6sox> PeteS, have you done the patching proceedure? or just checked out the patches from github?
May 24 20:38:16 <ka6sox> mourning vvu
May 24 20:44:39 <OurMaNdO|W> anyone know which wifi adapter will work with ubuntu and beagle bone black
May 24 20:44:52 <OurMaNdO|W> m_billybob, u have any luck with ubuntu and wifi
May 24 20:45:54 <OurMaNdO|W> m_billybob, on the beagle bone black that is
May 24 20:48:19 <georgem> Hrm. Looks like the phytec am335x module has a TPS65910
May 24 20:49:02 <PeteS> Ive done a bitbake build of cloud9-gnome-image but cant find the sources
May 24 20:49:44 <PeteS> Oh and sorry for the delayed reply, kids etc slow me down
May 24 20:49:47 <ka6sox> PeteS, I'm not sure the kernel build is part of that recipe.
May 24 20:50:06 <ka6sox> PeteS, got kidlet here too...so understood.
May 24 20:50:10 <PeteS> which recipie sorry?
May 24 20:50:30 <ka6sox> cloud9-gnome-image
May 24 20:50:54 <PeteS> It must be it produces the right image file
May 24 20:51:15 <PeteS> its downloading to emmc now
May 24 20:51:27 <ka6sox> so you have a 3.8.X kernel image?
May 24 20:51:41 <PeteS> I think so yes
May 24 20:51:50 <PeteS> took ages to build everything
May 24 20:52:04 <ka6sox> okay because there are 3 bits that go into a full image
May 24 20:52:19 <ka6sox> MLO, Boot stuff (kernel stuff) and rootfs.
May 24 20:52:32 <ka6sox> you can build an image that is only the rootfs.
May 24 20:53:26 <PeteS> well the filename is the same as the one in the emmc flasher build you DL from the website to reflash the board
May 24 20:53:42 <PeteS> and file size was roughly the same so it must be ok]
May 24 20:54:14 <PeteS> I don't know where the source should be though, or how it's configured. I'm new to linux and angstrom
May 24 20:55:32 <ka6sox> I've never built that image...so I should look @ the recipies before I comment :)
May 24 20:56:28 <PeteS> I bought the BBB to learn about embedded linux development. So far I'm thinking Angstrom isn't a good choice
May 24 20:56:34 <PeteS> we use arago at work
May 24 20:57:31 <ka6sox> why isn't angstrom a good choice?
May 24 20:57:40 <ka6sox> (just curious)
May 24 20:57:51 <PeteS> because it seems so difficult to work with so far
May 24 20:58:10 <ka6sox> what aspect(s)?
May 24 20:58:12 <PeteS> but if I can find all the source and how everything gets configured etc I might change my mind
May 24 20:58:54 <ka6sox> I follow the proceedure for building kernels from: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8
May 24 20:58:55 <PeteS> I guess it's just the learning curve, I'm used to C code and a simple RTOS
May 24 20:58:56 <ka6sox> for the bone
May 24 20:59:14 <ka6sox> a whole distro (like Angstrom) from scratch is daunting...
May 24 20:59:40 <ka6sox> the OE and Yocto guys have made it a lot less painful over the years...but it is a steep learning curve.
May 24 21:00:17 <vvu> ka6sox: hello!
May 24 21:00:20 <ka6sox> iirc patch.sh does the patching and downloading of the kernel sources.
May 24 21:00:23 <PeteS> I feel a great sense of acheivement building it, now I need to understand how it all works so I can start work on doing something with it
May 24 21:00:24 <ka6sox> hiya vvu
May 24 21:01:03 <ka6sox> PeteS, a lot of folks here use Angstrom and OE daily...so ask here or in the Forums/mailinglist/googlegroups.
May 24 21:01:16 <vvu> how are things going ? i was missing lot of time
May 24 21:01:21 <PeteS> I'm hoping to connect some Dallas one wire temp sensors and write some apps to do something with them. But no idea which pin the w1 drivers are using to connect the devices
May 24 21:01:32 <ka6sox> vvu, all finished with Finals? or still a bit more?
May 24 21:01:36 <Rickta59> so you don't use bitbake for doing the kernel ka6sox ?
May 24 21:01:47 <ka6sox> you can
May 24 21:02:07 <vvu> 2morrow a crappy one and then 2 on programming which are ok
May 24 21:02:07 <ka6sox> you can bitbake virtual/kernel.
May 24 21:02:09 <Rickta59> i have and thought that was the only way
May 24 21:02:11 <PeteS> I've already written a simple app to access a one wire device via netlink at work, so I want to do the same for temp sensors on the BBB
May 24 21:02:14 <vvu> and after all this crap one where is only theory
May 24 21:02:26 <ka6sox> Rickta59, ya, its the best way :0
May 24 21:02:44 <Rickta59> btw i got my ntfs stuff working
May 24 21:02:51 <ka6sox> nice!
May 24 21:02:58 <Rickta59> thanks for whatever help you offered me!
May 24 21:03:11 <samch> hello
May 24 21:03:28 <PeteS> flashing the emmc takes ages lol
May 24 21:03:31 <samch> what is the new changes in the last update of beaglebone black?
May 24 21:03:41 <ka6sox> Rickta59, remember it was *you* who told me we should make it the pinmux "app" like the one for the launchpad/fraunchpad one...but interactive.
May 24 21:03:53 <Rickta59> heh
May 24 21:04:00 <Rickta59> how is your kid doing with that?
May 24 21:04:23 <ka6sox> having fun...he has about 1/2 of it done...I'm having him work on the deconflicter too...
May 24 21:04:24 <PeteS> So anyone got any clue where I find out what the one wire driver is configured for pin wise?
May 24 21:04:27 <ka6sox> thats a bit tougher.
May 24 21:04:39 <ka6sox> PeteS, its not
May 24 21:04:55 <ka6sox> what you need to do is create a "virtual cape" with the pinmuxing set to what you need.
May 24 21:06:05 <ka6sox> PeteS, this "app" I'm talking about helps with setting up the pinmuxing stuff.
May 24 21:06:16 <ka6sox> pinmux.tking.org
May 24 21:07:03 <ka6sox> PeteS, how do you feel about Assembly Code?
May 24 21:07:04 <ka6sox> :)
May 24 21:07:27 <PeteS> doesnt worry me if I need to yse it why?
May 24 21:08:04 <PeteS> Have to use arm asm now and again at work, and we have to debug in asm via a lauterbach
May 24 21:08:50 <ka6sox> there are 2 RealTime Processing units (a 32 bit ARM like core) that can be used for things like this...
May 24 21:09:15 * vvu hides when hears about ASM code!
May 24 21:09:31 <PeteS> the PRUSS you mean?
May 24 21:09:37 * ka6sox assigns vvu to do his entire GSoC in Arm Assembly ;)
May 24 21:09:41 <ka6sox> yes
May 24 21:10:17 * ka6sox pulls on vvu's chain
May 24 21:10:31 <vvu> if it is ASM with multiplication and all that good stuff yes. if it`s the type of asm i`m doing now...
May 24 21:10:42 <PeteS> well I think the current w1-gpio driver built into the kernel will do me for now
May 24 21:11:10 <PeteS> although DOW PRUSS code is something id considered larer
May 24 21:11:17 <PeteS> later even
May 24 21:11:29 <ka6sox> then you just need to find a free GPIO pin and set the mux right
May 24 21:11:50 <PeteS> where do you sent the mux?
May 24 21:12:06 <ka6sox> you load a dtbo fragment via capemanager.
May 24 21:12:39 <PeteS> head hurts
May 24 21:12:59 <ka6sox> or, you can bake it in...
May 24 21:13:14 <ka6sox> let me see if there is any W1 stuff in the existing kernel bits.
May 24 21:13:55 <PeteS> it's built in, in the config file it's there, I just don't know where the files are that set the mux and tell the drivers what gpio to use
May 24 21:15:24 <ka6sox> that is the DTS and DTBO we have been talking about
May 24 21:15:39 <ka6sox> you will have to create a dtbo for this (its not very many lines)
May 24 21:15:46 <ka6sox> and load that before starting the app.
May 24 21:16:47 <Rickta59> looks like there is info you might find useful in google groups for w1 gpio
May 24 21:17:05 <Rickta59> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/beagleboard/w1/beagleboard/99zYYVH_m5A/39HTEXl1Fd0J
May 24 21:18:01 <ka6sox> ya, koen's answer is good.
May 24 21:18:34 <ka6sox> vvu, school examples are always generic yucky ones...
May 24 21:18:42 <ka6sox> Real World is always more fun.
May 24 21:19:55 <PeteS> hmm I'll have a read
May 24 21:20:22 <ka6sox> PeteS, that will be in the patched sources
May 24 21:20:51 <vvu> gonna have so much fun 2morrow when i`m gonna have the exam. at least we have some theory with search algorithms that i really nice
May 24 21:22:53 <PeteS> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/using-1-wire-on-a-beaglebone
May 24 21:23:34 <ka6sox> PeteS, he knows this :0
May 24 21:24:02 <ka6sox> mdp: ping?
May 24 21:32:19 <ka6sox> hiya emeb_mac
May 24 21:32:47 <emeb_mac> ka6sox: hola, que paso?
May 24 21:33:09 <ka6sox> I decided to take the afternoon off...so I'm chillin
May 24 21:34:00 <ka6sox> I need to work on BoneTag some more and incorporate those changes we talked about...but I'm tired.
May 24 21:35:14 <emeb_mac> ya - Fridays will do that to you.
May 24 21:37:44 <ka6sox> I need to rework the oscillator and the driver chip(s) still...
May 24 21:37:50 <Jaguar`> hey all, is it possible to flash the beaglebone black emmc via usb?
May 24 21:38:20 <ka6sox> but did write the PISO/SIPO, Clock divider and combinatorial logic bits today...
May 24 21:38:53 <ka6sox> need to write the UCF and constraints.
May 24 21:40:16 <ka6sox> waiting a bit to see if we get the nod on the GSoC stuff before writing the interface code to the PRUs
May 24 21:44:18 <ka6sox> I wonder if: NET ?PISO_OUT? slew={FAST};     is enough.
May 24 21:48:06 <ka6sox> emeb_mac, learned something new today...
May 24 21:48:19 <ka6sox> Period constraint only applies to FPGA...not CPLD.
May 24 21:59:31 <russell--> what is up with the crazy AIN laggy reading thing on BBB?  where you cat /sys/devices/ocp.2/helper.18/AIN and get the last digitized value, rather than a current one?
May 24 22:00:02 <SpeedEvil> that is not unusual
May 24 22:00:30 <SpeedEvil> you wouldn't generally want to block waiting for a long conversion
May 24 22:03:07 <russell--> unless you actually want the new value
May 24 22:03:23 <russell--> and then you have to wait anyway
May 24 22:03:56 <requinham> hi
May 24 22:04:21 <russell--> i wait almost a second for a one-wire value to come back, waiting for the value i want doesn't seem unreasonable
May 24 22:04:22 <SpeedEvil> true.
May 24 22:04:55 <requinham> i use the latest angstrom image founded in site and i have prepare a can transeiver but i cannot create CAN interface
May 24 22:04:58 <requinham> ?!
May 24 22:05:09 <requinham> can anyone help me please
May 24 22:05:23 <Silentjet> huh... is there any u-boot image that is good on BBB ?
May 24 22:05:28 <requinham> i use beaglebone black
May 24 22:05:55 <Silentjet> vanilla one do not have fastboot, TI's one does not boot...
May 24 22:09:50 <russell--> requinham: /me guesses you need a device tree overlay to pinmux/etc the right pins
May 24 22:21:26 <eikeon> What's the max input voltage for gpio 3.3 or 1.8?
May 24 22:22:03 * eikeon checks SRM
May 24 22:26:34 <ka6sox> 3.3
May 24 22:30:01 <eikeon> ty. Was being paranoid and triple checking. Kept seeing warning about not exceeding 1.8 -- looks like that for the AD.
May 24 23:28:32 <Pete__> is anybody running Angstrom?
May 24 23:32:08 <ka6sox> yes
May 24 23:32:55 <Pete__> When you install the board does Ethernet over USB work?
May 24 23:34:52 <ka6sox> I've not tried RNDIS on the Bone
May 24 23:41:33 <timm> hello, i have a question which might asked a thousand time: i updated to the latest beaglebone firmware with kernel 3.8. now i miss the /dev/kernel/debug/omap_mux. how can i get it back?
May 24 23:47:05 <ka6sox> timm, I think the answer is on teh forums/googlegroups/mailinglist
May 24 23:48:39 <mranostay> ph0rums
May 24 23:49:32 <ka6sox> mranostay, if I say one of the 3 someone always asks me if I mean one of the other 2 :P
May 24 23:49:36 <ka6sox> its blurrign the ling
May 24 23:49:38 <ka6sox> line
May 24 23:56:04 <jzhang273> which software do I use if I want to boot from SD card instead of eMMC
May 24 23:56:13 <jzhang273> for the beaglebone black
May 25 00:02:17 <mranostay> put a SD card with an image in?
May 25 00:02:27 <mranostay> of course he/she/it left
May 25 00:05:25 <timm> so, i have to wait for a patch until omap_mux is supported for kernel 3.8
May 25 00:10:34 <ka6sox> timm, patches gratefully accepted!
May 25 00:21:45 <fiola> "BBB is the new black"
May 25 00:21:47 <fiola>  Low bar on punning, but kind of cute :P
May 25 00:24:25 <Jaguar`> hmmmm, how long is it supposed to take to xz the bbb flasher image to an sdcard
May 25 00:24:41 <Jaguar`> oh
May 25 00:24:50 <Jaguar`> just answered my own question - approximately 5 minutes
May 25 00:24:54 <Jaguar`> :)
May 25 00:43:13 <ka6sox> Jaguar`, thats faster than I've ever seen.
May 25 00:43:28 <Jaguar`> hmm
May 25 00:43:34 <Jaguar`> did i do it wrong
May 25 00:43:43 <Jaguar`> - seems to have booted ok
May 25 00:47:37 <ka6sox> Jaguar`, excellent
May 25 00:48:17 <Jaguar`> well, by ok, i mean LEDs are flashing on the board, so i assume its flashing the emmc at present
May 25 00:48:55 <Guest95692> can you reiterate your problem jaguar. I might be able to help..
May 25 00:50:13 <Jaguar`> no problem per se - originally i just asked how long it would take to write the flasher image to an sdcard, which seemed to take about 5 minutes
May 25 00:50:44 <Jaguar`> now ive put the sdcard into the bbb and LEDs are flashing, so i assume its flashing the emmc :)
May 25 01:13:40 <Jaguar`> gah, blue LEDs are pretty, but they burn my eyes
May 25 01:14:36 <Shadyman> ^
May 25 01:15:05 <Shadyman> I think A6 needs higher-valued resistors on the LEDs, or lower-mCd rated LEDs ;)
May 25 01:15:13 <Jaguar`> yah :)
May 25 01:15:26 <Jaguar`> but they're definitely pretty
May 25 01:15:39 <Shadyman> hehe
May 25 01:15:50 <Shadyman> hmm, stick'em in a fogged acrylic case, it'd be purty
May 25 01:15:58 <Shadyman> or translucent
May 25 01:16:32 <Shadyman> hmm
May 25 01:16:33 <shapr> I like the A5A LEDs!
May 25 01:16:37 <shapr> I wear my sunglasses at night!
May 25 01:16:43 <Jaguar`> hah
May 25 01:16:47 <Shadyman> shapr: So you can, so you can?
May 25 01:16:52 <Shadyman> or maybe even a blob of hotglue over the LEDs would do it.
May 25 01:16:59 <Shadyman> removable, and diffusing
May 25 01:18:09 <Jaguar`> woot
May 25 01:18:12 <Jaguar`> 4 solid leds
May 25 01:18:25 <Shadyman> So does BBB actually have a UPC? That's what it looks like on the side
May 25 01:23:26 <Shadyman> I'd think it's probably more an amalgamation of serial number, revision, etc
May 25 01:26:29 <Shadyman> Ooh, there IS a revision / way to check software rev on the web ui
May 25 01:26:36 <Jaguar`> so after flashing the bbb and rebooting i get 3 solid LEDs and no functionality
May 25 01:26:37 <Shadyman> the readTextFile demo
May 25 01:27:24 <Shadyman> Jaguar`: You have USB connected? ssh in and see what's going on
May 25 01:27:34 <Shadyman> might be stuck in uboot
May 25 01:28:01 <Jaguar`> i have usb but /var/log/kern doesn't show anything being detected when i plug in
May 25 01:29:26 <Shadyman> linux on the desktop?
May 25 01:29:36 <Jaguar`> yeah sorry
May 25 01:29:40 <Shadyman> good man :)
May 25 01:29:46 <Jaguar`> plugging into my ubuntu pc
May 25 01:30:22 <Shadyman> Hmm
May 25 01:30:23 <Jaguar`> im guessing that means its not getting past uboot
May 25 01:30:27 <Shadyman> not necessarily
May 25 01:30:44 <Shadyman> it seems that the new one shows up with its storage/ethernet gadget first
May 25 01:31:02 <Shadyman> try dmesg | tail
May 25 01:31:39 <Jaguar`> yup no activity :(
May 25 01:32:04 <Shadyman> or ls -al /dev | grep ttyACM0
May 25 01:32:42 <Shadyman> Jaguar`: Did you flash it with an image on an sd card? Supposedly it takes, like, 10 minutes to flash or something
May 25 01:32:42 <Jaguar`> nup, i pronounce it dead :)
May 25 01:32:54 <Shadyman> and the LEDs count up in progressive order to indicate progress
May 25 01:32:56 <Jaguar`> yes i did flash it
May 25 01:33:04 <Jaguar`> and got four solid LEDs
May 25 01:33:09 <Jaguar`> restarted, then nothing
May 25 01:33:18 <Jaguar`> i guess ill rewrite the flash image to sdcard and re-flash
May 25 01:33:42 <russell--> everyone should have a ttl-level usb-to-serial cable
May 25 01:33:50 <russell--> and then you'd know
May 25 01:34:00 <Shadyman> russell--: indeed
May 25 01:34:01 <Shadyman> If using BeagleBone Black and the image is meant to program your  on-board eMMC, you'll need to wait while the programming occurs.  When  the flashing is complete, all 4 USRx LEDs will be lit solid.  This can take up to 45 minutes.  Power-down your board, remove the SD card and apply power again to be complete.
May 25 01:34:24 <Jaguar`> yup did that Shadyman
May 25 01:34:35 <russell--> it was *the* first thing i did when i started hacking on access points 7 years ago, won't leave home without one.
May 25 01:34:54 <Shadyman> russell--: indeed
May 25 01:35:01 <Jaguar`> i agree, most boards i do for work have a ftdi chip on them :)
May 25 01:35:19 <Shadyman> For a USB to TTL adapter, ebay "PL2303" and find the cheapest one that comes with a set of cables
May 25 01:35:23 <Jaguar`> in fact, replace most with all
May 25 01:35:41 <Shadyman> or CP2102
May 25 01:35:51 <Shadyman> like http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-USB-2-0-TTL-UART-6PIN-Module-Serial-Converter-CP2102-STC-PRGMR-/251039347548?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a731c735c
May 25 01:36:09 <russell--> or if you are really lazy, just buy one of the $20 ftdi cables
May 25 01:36:33 <Shadyman> russell--: But I'm cheap :/
May 25 01:36:42 <Shadyman> and the PL2302/3 work well
May 25 01:36:56 <russell--> if you buy the chinese $3 ones from dealextreme, just be prepared to wait several months for them to arrive
May 25 01:37:23 <Shadyman> chip_partner shipped mine in 4-6 weeks
May 25 01:38:11 <Shadyman> but yes, if you want something fast, I think adafruit or sparkfun have USB to TTL things
May 25 01:38:36 <Shadyman> http://www.adafruit.com/products/954
May 25 01:39:32 <russell--> there are probably electronics within reach that could be pressed into service as well... one trick is to use a openwrt'd router as a network-to-serial converter, running minicom or similar on it, routers tending to have a serial port on them
May 25 01:40:02 <russell--> or a raspberrypi or, or, or
May 25 01:40:11 <Shadyman> HOT RASPI on BBB ACTION!
May 25 01:40:19 <russell--> lo
May 25 01:40:20 <russell--> l
May 25 01:40:34 <Shadyman> russell--: I recently went crazy buying used DIR-615 routers and openwrting them
May 25 01:41:06 * russell-- is about to give away a stack of old linksys wrt54g/gl/gs
May 25 01:41:12 <Shadyman> russell--: USB modded them, and I'm going to make an 11-channel kismet box :0
May 25 01:41:20 <russell--> nice
May 25 01:41:22 <Shadyman> probably directed by a BBB for kicks.
May 25 01:41:35 <russell--> kismet slave or whatever
May 25 01:41:38 <Shadyman> yeah
May 25 01:41:39 <Shadyman> drone
May 25 01:41:54 <Shadyman> though each of them has USB and wifi, and could do it on their own
May 25 01:42:07 <Shadyman> you lose data hopping channels like kismet does
May 25 01:42:30 <Shadyman> I figure hey, if you've got a receiver sitting on each of the 11 channels, you're not going to miss an AP's callout, especially when driving :3
May 25 01:43:02 <russell--> why only 11, there are a bunch of 5GHz channels as well! :-)
May 25 01:43:06 <Shadyman> and then maybe an array of 11 wifi antennas on the roof of the car. Wonder how long it'd take me to get pulled over with that rig.
May 25 01:43:23 <Shadyman> russell--: Yeah, but at the moment, 5Ghz Solo is still hard to find. Most routers are both
May 25 01:43:30 <russell--> just don't record payloads :-)
May 25 01:43:33 <Shadyman> ^
May 25 01:43:40 <Shadyman> unlike Google. Whoops.
May 25 01:44:12 <Shadyman> I can just imagine trying to explain to a nice police officer when driving across the country, "Oh, yeah, they're for, science! Yeah, that's it!"
May 25 01:44:21 <russell--> google was being persecuted by people with no understanding of the technology
May 25 01:44:41 <Shadyman> russell--: Never forget, though, the lawmakers are those same people with no understanding of technology.
May 25 01:44:46 <russell--> indeed
May 25 01:45:10 <russell--> my answer is "i'm making a map"
May 25 01:45:34 <russell--> but i've never been hassled
May 25 01:45:47 <Shadyman> same, but that's usually with one antenna on teh roof, not 11 :3
May 25 01:45:55 <russell--> even across from the police station in the dark with an odd looking stand
May 25 01:46:09 <Shadyman> granted, with enough gain, I could probably get by with high-gain internal-to-the-car antennas
May 25 01:46:22 <Shadyman> the little 9" or 12" jobbies
May 25 01:46:40 <Shadyman> maybe external antennas for 1,6,11 and internal for the rest
May 25 01:46:50 * russell-- was once #10 on wigle.net's uploader stats
May 25 01:46:54 <Shadyman> NICE.
May 25 01:47:14 <Shadyman> russell--: I'm planning two 5ghz linksys USB abgn things to jump around on 5ghz
May 25 01:47:14 <russell--> some jackass named 'anonymous' passed me a long time ago
May 25 01:48:06 <Shadyman> probably going to pick up an ammo tin to put them all in, drill holes for antennas
May 25 01:48:15 * russell-- has an alix3 with two radios, one hopping 2.4, the other hopping 5ghz, but just sits on the dash, haven't been using an external antenna recently
May 25 01:48:19 <russell--> lol
May 25 01:48:31 <russell--> wait... /me goes to find photos
May 25 01:50:44 <Shadyman> russell--: I also got a crimping tool and some RJ45 plugs so I can chop up some cables into little 3-6" jobbies.
May 25 01:52:25 <russell--> damn, i can't find them now
May 25 01:52:53 <russell--> be warned though, an ammo box with wires coming out looks remarkably like a bomb to the public safety types
May 25 01:53:50 <Shadyman> true that.
May 25 01:54:05 <Shadyman> but really, an ammo box? They're kinda flimsy.
May 25 01:54:14 <russell--> http://www.tdb.com/~russell/photos/2007-12-02/PC030057.html
May 25 01:54:23 <Shadyman> Yeah, kinda like that.
May 25 01:54:51 <russell--> http://www.tdb.com/~russell/photos/2007-12-02/PC030059.html
May 25 01:55:26 * russell-- painted it purple as a calming influence
May 25 01:55:31 <Shadyman> any metal-on-metal anodizing happening on those washers?
May 25 01:56:36 <russell--> oh, those are plastic
May 25 01:56:43 <russell--> to prevent a common ground
May 25 01:56:59 <Shadyman> ah
May 25 01:57:13 <russell--> i can charge the battery (internal) and run off 'shore power' at the same time
May 25 01:57:27 <Shadyman> hm.
May 25 01:57:43 <Shadyman> russell--: http://erroraccessdenied.com/node/1684
May 25 01:57:54 <Shadyman> I got that guy, figured he'd be a neat bed for one
May 25 01:57:59 <Shadyman> internal SLA battery
May 25 01:58:26 <Shadyman> but not big enough for 11 routers :/
May 25 01:59:34 <Shadyman> but then there's also one of these. http://www.princessauto.com/pal/en/Tool-Holders/Ammo-Box/8115321.p
May 25 01:59:40 <russell--> i was going to put one in an old radiation survey meter
May 25 01:59:52 <Shadyman> heh
May 25 02:00:25 <russell--> something making clicky-poppy geiger counter noises everytime a packet is heard would be HAWT
May 25 02:00:30 <Shadyman> LOL
May 25 02:00:48 <Shadyman> directional antenna
May 25 02:00:50 <russell--> i have the survey meter, gutted out
May 25 02:01:00 <russell--> but it's kind of small
May 25 02:01:11 <Shadyman> or omni, with a steamer basket on the front
May 25 02:01:33 <russell--> some kind of patch antenna on a curly cord would be awesome
May 25 02:02:52 <russell--> http://www.radmeters4u.com/cdv715-new.jpg
May 25 02:03:00 <Shadyman> cute
May 25 02:03:37 <russell--> yeah, hooking up the analog meter would be awesome too
May 25 02:04:00 <russell--> BB would fit inside nicely
May 25 02:04:05 <Shadyman> hmm, so 11.. if each has 4+1 ethernet.. 8 on bottom level, each with an uplink to one of two, each uplinking to a master router, connected to BBB
May 25 02:04:41 <Shadyman> with an ethernet uplink out, for kicks
May 25 02:05:29 <Shadyman> not sure if I actually have 11 yet though. Hm.
May 25 02:05:31 <russell--> that snapcap ethernet connector on my ammo box was the single most expensive part on the whole project, about $35
May 25 02:05:37 <Shadyman> I'd imagine.
May 25 02:05:46 <Shadyman> anything built to any kind of spec is pricy
May 25 02:06:09 <russell--> the case isn't really water tight though so it's kind of a waste
May 25 02:06:16 <Shadyman> well, it's close.
May 25 02:06:27 <russell--> (what with the holes cut for led's and toggle switches)
May 25 02:06:30 <Shadyman> heh
May 25 02:06:42 <Shadyman> well, add some silicone caulking around the holes on the inside
May 25 02:06:53 <russell--> the led's are bright, almost BBB bright
May 25 02:06:59 <Shadyman> heh
May 25 02:07:01 <russell--> can be used as a flashlight
May 25 02:07:12 <Shadyman> nice
May 25 02:08:18 <russell--> the big problem with it is the current guts are based on one of my early stumbler rigs, which was a netgear wgt634u.  the problem with it is its USB port is slow, too slow to store kismet data on without long pauses to save
May 25 02:08:34 <Shadyman> huh
May 25 02:08:36 <Shadyman> what are you saving to?
May 25 02:08:39 <russell--> after 3000 or so networks, it would take about 5 minutes to periodically save their files
May 25 02:08:43 <russell--> usb thumb drive
May 25 02:08:54 <Shadyman> is it the drive or the router that lags it?
May 25 02:08:59 <russell--> it's usb2, but can only handle 12mbps speeds
May 25 02:09:25 <Shadyman> Hmm. It should be able to save concurrently with receiving packets, though, no?
May 25 02:09:28 <russell--> the alix3 stores to CF card and is so fast you don't notice
May 25 02:09:32 <russell--> no
May 25 02:09:33 <Shadyman> heh
May 25 02:09:38 <russell--> totally stalls
May 25 02:09:42 <Shadyman> lame
May 25 02:09:59 * russell-- had to use the countdown timer on his watch to know when to pull over and wait
May 25 02:10:04 <Shadyman> ROFL
May 25 02:10:19 <Shadyman> well, I did make an SD Card cape for the BBone
May 25 02:10:30 <Shadyman> 32 gigs should be enough, right?
May 25 02:10:35 <russell--> the BB wouldn't have that problem
May 25 02:10:38 <Shadyman> true
May 25 02:10:44 <Shadyman> silly single-core routers
May 25 02:10:46 <russell--> it was the particular implementation of USB on that board
May 25 02:11:20 <russell--> i've got some small routers, i should spin up that survey meter project again
May 25 02:11:33 <russell--> need to find a battery that would fit
May 25 02:11:54 <Shadyman> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/d-link/dir-615
May 25 02:12:02 <Shadyman> I've been stocking up on various revs of these
May 25 02:12:13 <Shadyman> generally 4MB flash, 32MB RAM.
May 25 02:12:41 * russell-- has a bunch of the accton mr3201a's
May 25 02:12:49 <russell--> atheros soc
May 25 02:12:53 <Shadyman> been getting them for $5-10 from ebay and thrift stores used
May 25 02:12:56 <russell--> 11g radios
May 25 02:12:58 <Shadyman> nice
May 25 02:13:29 <Shadyman> the Staples store I go to has about 35 of the 615 E3's on clearance for $29,97 last I checked
May 25 02:14:08 <Shadyman> I actually bought a pack of the USB headers for them. http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/d-link/dir-615/ex-usb
May 25 02:14:10 * russell-- has moved on to the newer dualband routers, like the buffalo wzr600dhp and similar
May 25 02:14:17 <Shadyman> indeed
May 25 02:14:22 <russell--> lots of cpu and memory
May 25 02:14:42 <russell--> we have a gigantic box of retired wgt634u's now
May 25 02:14:46 <Shadyman> there are a couple of those on clearance too, but they're still upwards of $60-100
May 25 02:15:09 <russell--> they are bigger though, the accton is nice and small
May 25 02:15:33 <russell--> there are some small formfactor n-radio boards too, from tplink or something
May 25 02:15:41 <Shadyman> yeah
May 25 02:15:46 <Shadyman> 703s
May 25 02:16:03 <Shadyman> $20 on ebay from China
May 25 02:16:24 <Shadyman> they're equivalent to, i think, ML-3020 or something
May 25 02:16:53 <Shadyman> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr703n
May 25 02:17:32 <russell--> yeah
May 25 02:18:11 <russell--> i also need a rotary switch to go in the top
May 25 02:18:22 <russell--> the original was built into the survey meter board
May 25 02:18:41 <russell--> which was, er, non-operational by the time i got it apart
May 25 02:25:09 <Jaguar`> does anyone know where i can find the am33xx_pinmux linux driver definition?
May 25 02:27:05 <Shadyman> russell--: Whoops
May 25 02:29:48 <Jaguar`> my understanding is there should be a definition for const struct pinctrl_pin_desc for the bbb?
May 25 02:30:53 <Shadyman> Jaguar`: That's beyond me. Maybe mranostay
May 25 02:31:01 <Shadyman> and woo, BBB slashdotted. http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/05/24/2227210/beaglebone-black-ships-with-new-linux-38-kernel
May 25 02:34:59 <ka6sox> Jaguar`, for the 3.8 kernels its in Device Tree fragments
May 25 02:35:19 <ka6sox> DTS for builtin and DTBO for "modules"
May 25 02:35:31 <Jaguar`> i see, thanks ka6sox
May 25 02:38:48 <m_billybob> Shadyman, yeah lol my buddy pasted that link im still tryign to figure out how thats a good thing. Been my ( limited ) experience with slashdot, that its just a forum format for troll sessions.
May 25 02:39:02 <m_billybob> "too bad about the powerVR GPU" says it all lol
May 25 02:39:12 <m_billybob> ( first comment )
May 25 02:41:21 <Shadyman> m_billybob: heh
May 25 02:41:36 <Shadyman> m_billybob: Well, it does provide a lot of exposure, and a lot of clickthroughs.
May 25 02:42:10 <m_billybob> yeah, im probably being . . . a negativ ned. I never really liked slashdot though
May 25 02:42:30 <m_billybob> </bias>
May 25 02:43:52 * m_billybob doesnt care more for pendantic eWenus waggling
May 25 02:43:56 <m_billybob> much*
May 25 02:44:14 <mranostay> effing network manager get out of way
May 25 02:44:16 <mranostay> *my
May 25 02:53:10 <Jaguar`> root@192.168.7.2's password:
May 25 02:53:11 <Jaguar`> root@beaglebone:~# ls
May 25 02:53:11 <Jaguar`> Desktop
May 25 02:53:17 <Jaguar`> yay!
May 25 02:53:54 <Shadyman> whee
May 25 02:56:52 <Jaguar`> now to get my mrf24j40 radio going!
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