**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 29 02:59:58 2013
May 29 03:10:39 <cleb> So I got a debian image installed on the BBB. Now whenever its booted it randomly powers off? No lights on the board. Powering it on may make it get somewhere in the boot process
May 29 03:18:26 <maxinux> cleb:  power
May 29 03:18:32 <maxinux> cleb:  you dont have enough power into the board
May 29 03:20:30 <cleb> :/
May 29 03:20:40 <cleb> is a 1A usb power supply not enough?
May 29 03:22:28 <m_billybob> cleb if for just the board it should be. USB 3.0 or hub ?
May 29 03:25:08 <cleb> I'm using an Apple 2.1A wall wart now, through the USB power port, and it still just randomly powers off.
May 29 03:25:53 <m_billybob> what do the usr leds do ?
May 29 03:25:55 <mastiff_> might be a bad connection
May 29 03:26:08 <m_billybob> all usr leds off or some / all on ?
May 29 03:26:12 <cleb> They seem to dimly flash at times
May 29 03:26:18 <cleb> when it crashes, no LED's are on.
May 29 03:26:28 <cleb> goes compltely dark
May 29 03:26:30 <mastiff_> what about the vcc led on the other side?
May 29 03:26:52 <mastiff_> just use a USB cable into computer
May 29 03:27:11 <m_billybob> that sounds like something is misconfigured with the steps you took for puttting debian on the sd card
May 29 03:27:43 <m_billybob> a serial debug cable would help tons here
May 29 03:28:36 <rbarris> You can't assume the Apple wall wart will source 2.1A unless it sees the magic resistor values across the USB pins...
May 29 03:28:58 <rbarris> can you switch to a 5V DC hookup instead?
May 29 03:29:34 <rbarris> http://blog.curioussystem.com/2010/08/the-dirty-truth-about-usb-device-charging/
May 29 03:30:15 <cleb> No LED's are lit, VCC or otherwise, when it crashes.
May 29 03:31:41 <cleb> It seems to do it when running apt-get install for a package, probably more resource intensive. I do not have a 5vdc power supply to try. I plugged it into my laptop and it won't even get through the entire boot process before all the LED's shut off.
May 29 03:31:57 <cleb> (plugged into a std USB 2.0 port)
May 29 03:32:05 <m_billybob> then id have to say what rbarris says is very likely.
May 29 03:32:52 <mastiff_> something doesn't sound right though, you should be able to power just the BBB off a laptop just fine
May 29 03:32:54 <m_billybob> if the vcc led goes out, yeah it should still be on if its a software issue. thats what i get anyhow( e.g. when i messed up the rootfs first go around )
May 29 03:33:12 <mastiff_> my BBB has been compiling gnuradio for going on three hours now
May 29 03:33:24 <mastiff_> getting a little warm :)
May 29 03:33:29 <m_billybob> mastiff hence why you cross compile ;)
May 29 03:33:29 <mastiff_> no power issues though
May 29 03:33:45 <mastiff_> yeah, I wanna get that setup
May 29 03:34:12 <mastiff_> are there any speed advantages to compiling on the device for actually running the application?
May 29 03:34:24 <cleb> So, if the VCC LED just dies, probably a power issue?
May 29 03:34:28 <m_billybob> yes, and they are all negative.
May 29 03:34:42 <m_billybob> cleb, that would be my guess yes.
May 29 03:34:46 <mastiff_> not the compiling time, but the performance of the compiled application
May 29 03:35:07 <m_billybob> none if you setup cross dev envoirnment proerly
May 29 03:35:13 <m_billybob> properly too
May 29 03:35:20 <cleb> Well that sucks. Guess I need to hunt up a 5vdc power supply.
May 29 03:36:08 <mastiff_> try a different usb cable, but you'll want a 2A 5vdc power supply for running peripherals most likely
May 29 03:36:28 <m_billybob> cleb, its just a guess but what rbarris says is true. lots of those application specific power supplies expect some form of feedback from the device they're plugged into. they dont sense that feedback, they just shut off or act as expected
May 29 03:36:50 <m_billybob> or act unexpectedly*
May 29 03:37:15 * m_billybob 's head is in the cloud today
May 29 03:37:31 <cleb> mastiff_: can you reccomend a power supply?
May 29 03:37:44 <m_billybob> just got nfs sharing workign across my debian cross dev machine to my bbb though
May 29 03:38:38 <m_billybob> and wow its late already
May 29 03:38:43 * m_billybob will bbiab
May 29 03:38:48 <m_billybob> need to walk to doggies :)
May 29 03:40:01 <mastiff_> you want 120vac to 5vdc or 12vdc to 5vdc?
May 29 03:40:52 <cleb> Will 5.1v be OK or is that too much?
May 29 03:44:07 <mastiff_> for dc to dc I like these little modules http://www.ebay.com/itm/fever-high-efficiency-DC-DC-8V-48V-to-5V-3A-buck-step-down-power-supply-module-/350804489035?pt=US_Adapters&hash=item51ad93b34b
May 29 03:47:04 <mastiff> i got my SD storage working properly
May 29 03:48:15 * mranostay has a beer for mastiff 
May 29 03:50:08 <Shadyman> mranostay: So I'm going over your nixie cape commit https://github.com/mranostay/beagle-nixie/blob/master/kernel/3.8/0002-beaglebone-Add-nixie-cape-device-tree-entry.patch
May 29 03:50:29 <Shadyman> mranostay: Is there any kind of how-to for making one's own?
May 29 03:53:37 <mastiff> alright, gnu radio is installed on my BBB
May 29 03:54:22 <mastiff> found some benchmarking someone did on a 1st gen beagle bone, so i'm going to run that program to compare the numbers
May 29 03:56:48 <mranostay> that would have helpful to document wouldn't it have? :)
May 29 03:57:12 <cleb> mastiff_: what kind of stuff are you doing with gnuradio?
May 29 03:57:24 <cleb> 5.1vdc power supply seems to be hackin it....
May 29 03:57:29 <ketas> cleb: 5.1 falls in usb specs
May 29 03:57:43 <cleb> no more crashes :)
May 29 03:58:02 <cleb> power hungry little bastard. Hopefully it runs the software I need better than rasp pi
May 29 03:58:08 <ketas> or what was it
May 29 03:59:08 <m_billybob> very nice cleb
May 29 04:00:05 <m_billybob> cleb out of curiosity what do you plan on runnning on it ?
May 29 04:00:56 <mastiff> cleb i'm installing it on my sailboat for general experimentation
May 29 04:01:11 <mranostay> Shadyman: working on a PCB form of it
May 29 04:01:24 <Shadyman> mranostay: Neat.
May 29 04:01:27 <ketas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Power
May 29 04:01:43 <ketas> cleb: to be honest, it's pretty hard to create 5.000
May 29 04:01:44 <mranostay> Shadyman: little thing called work gets in the way :)
May 29 04:01:52 <Shadyman> mranostay: I've got my SD Card Cape PCB'd, and reflowed me one. EEPROM's programmed, it just needs some kernel code :/
May 29 04:02:23 <mastiff> how fast can the SD read/write?
May 29 04:02:50 <Shadyman> mastiff: Not sure yet, I don't have a kernel driver for it yet
May 29 04:02:52 * Shadyman hums.
May 29 04:03:02 <Shadyman> but its' 4 data lines, like the sd card on the BBB
May 29 04:05:06 <Shadyman> So speed should be similar
May 29 04:05:13 <mranostay> Shadyman: using the PRU?
May 29 04:05:25 <Shadyman> mranostay: Using MMC1
May 29 04:08:52 <mranostay> ah duh
May 29 04:09:00 * mranostay facepalms himself
May 29 04:11:00 <Shadyman> Well, it was obvious with the BBWhite, as it wasn't actually used for anything
May 29 04:11:35 <Shadyman> but now with BBB, it's used for the eMMC, so apparently it needs its RESET held down or something
May 29 04:11:41 <Shadyman> ka6sox was describing it
May 29 04:11:50 <_av500_> Shadyman: btw, 14k vs your 12k
May 29 04:11:59 <Shadyman> _av500_: Bastard!
May 29 04:12:08 <mranostay> _av500_: hey my favorite german troll
May 29 04:12:33 <ketas> what's expected average write endurance of emmc? :)
May 29 04:13:48 <Shadyman> sounds like something that'd be in the datasheet :)
May 29 04:14:11 <Shadyman> of whichever chip the BBB uses for flash storage
May 29 04:14:50 <mranostay> mmmm i smell steak
May 29 04:15:17 <Shadyman> mmm
May 29 04:15:19 <ketas> maybe it's bb burning?
May 29 04:16:36 <Shadyman> Some men just want to watch the BB burn.
May 29 04:17:02 <mranostay> oh i've shorted one or two in my time doesn't smell like that
May 29 04:22:00 <mranostay> emeb_mac: FPGA!!!
May 29 04:22:18 <emeb_mac> mranostay: Rah! Rah!
May 29 04:23:27 <ketas> hmm
May 29 04:24:23 <ketas> can anyone suggest proper protection for long-running wires attached to, say, pins in gpio mode
May 29 04:24:26 <ketas> ?
May 29 04:25:17 <SpeedEvil> resistors in series, and diodes on either supply rail
May 29 04:28:26 <ketas> and tvs?
May 29 04:28:45 <mranostay> SpeedEvil: GPIOs can only source 20 mA iirc
May 29 04:29:20 <SpeedEvil> they can be damaged by static
May 29 04:29:48 <ketas> i think i add optocouplers there anyway
May 29 04:30:24 <mranostay> heh overkill much?
May 29 04:31:21 <ketas> well they are cheaper than new board?
May 29 04:31:42 <mranostay> well yes
May 29 04:34:57 <SpeedEvil> and reliability
May 29 04:45:11 <ka6sox> WhoWhatWhere?
May 29 04:51:25 <ketas> definitely interesting soc in bb
May 29 04:52:23 <av500> ahoi
May 29 04:52:24 <ka6sox> ketas, interesting like the Chinese Curse?
May 29 04:52:27 <ka6sox> arrrr
May 29 04:52:47 <ketas> wtf
May 29 04:53:10 <ka6sox> ketas, that was for av500
May 29 04:53:11 <ka6sox> :)
May 29 05:05:22 <ketas> optocoupler provides some separation already
May 29 05:18:10 <ka6sox> mastiff mastiff_ did you get a capture of the can't boot from anything console?
May 29 05:24:40 <tasslehoff> good morning
May 29 05:25:17 <dm8tbr> good moaning
May 29 05:26:01 <mranostay> hey-o!
May 29 05:26:42 <mranostay> hi dm8tbr-o-dm8tbr
May 29 05:27:02 <dm8tbr> hulloh mranox86
May 29 05:27:16 <mranostay> oh so cold so cold
May 29 05:27:31 <mrpackethead> whats cold
May 29 05:27:41 <dm8tbr> should have stayed in california
May 29 05:27:52 <mrpackethead> i'm trying to adjust my attitude so its not so frosty
May 29 05:28:01 <dm8tbr> but now you'll at least have enough CPUs to warm you on cold days
May 29 05:28:28 <mrpackethead> mranostay: did'nt someone tell you that intel is so 2012, and arm is taking over the planet
May 29 05:31:32 <av500> mrpackethead: arm is passing fad
May 29 05:31:34 <av500> a*
May 29 05:31:40 <mrpackethead> ahh ok.
May 29 05:32:35 <ka6sox> relagated to the scrapheap along with Alpha
May 29 05:33:37 * ka6sox hopes his mailbox has goodies tomorrow.
May 29 05:33:38 <av500> back to controlling washing machines
May 29 05:34:00 <ka6sox> av500, thats not an easy task....
May 29 05:34:01 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: could be
May 29 05:34:18 * mrpackethead is back to controlling leds
May 29 05:34:23 <ka6sox> mechanical timers do a better job...
May 29 05:34:55 <mrpackethead> 25 years of work experience, a unvieseity education, and now what do i do.
May 29 05:34:58 <mrpackethead> i make leds flash
May 29 05:35:18 <mrpackethead> i made my first led flash when i was about 10 years old i guess
May 29 05:35:25 <ka6sox> av500, when was the last time you Static Zapped a Mechanical timer?
May 29 05:35:40 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: you jsut dd'nt have enough static
May 29 05:36:13 * ka6sox stands on 5gal plastic pail...
May 29 05:36:30 <av500> ka6sox: its always the heater
May 29 05:36:43 <ka6sox> av500, too true
May 29 05:37:28 <mrpackethead> just having some green tea
May 29 05:38:56 <ketas> hah
May 29 05:39:41 <ka6sox> White Merlot
May 29 05:39:43 <mrpackethead> was the ipod before the imac
May 29 05:40:04 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, I don't *do* iThings
May 29 05:40:05 <ketas> what
May 29 05:40:21 <ketas> who needs ipod nowadays
May 29 05:40:30 <mranostay> iphone!
May 29 05:40:30 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, it was after.
May 29 05:40:31 <av500> mrpackethead: in the beginning there was the iApple2
May 29 05:40:52 <mrpackethead> who wants to be a millionare.. irc version
May 29 05:41:12 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, and you want to ask *this* channel?
May 29 05:41:36 <ketas> more like who wants to be thousandaire
May 29 05:41:45 <mrpackethead> which other channel would know *everything*
May 29 05:41:51 <av500> few
May 29 05:42:03 <mranostay> if i had a million would i hang out in irc :)
May 29 05:42:16 <av500> a million bytes?
May 29 05:42:19 <av500> imagine!
May 29 05:42:31 <mrpackethead> hey, i'll sell you Millon bytes for a dollar
May 29 05:42:38 <mrpackethead> MOQ is 1000Mb'
May 29 05:44:32 * dm8tbr would even offer 8 million bits for a dollar
May 29 05:44:42 <av500> do I hear more?
May 29 05:45:40 <ka6sox> dm8tbr, are you conspiring with the Wireless Carriers again :P
May 29 05:45:57 <dm8tbr> I could throw in some parity bits as a bonus
May 29 05:46:09 <dm8tbr> ka6sox: shhhhhh, nobody should know I work for the harddisk industry
May 29 05:46:20 <av500> that industry has gone soft
May 29 05:46:37 <mranostay> drug dealing is where the money is
May 29 05:46:49 <mrpackethead> could the harddisks ahve gone soft
May 29 05:46:50 <mrpackethead> mmm
May 29 05:46:58 <mrpackethead> thats a bit scary
May 29 05:46:58 <ka6sox> mranostay, All Troll, All the time.
May 29 05:47:10 <mrpackethead> a soft hard disk
May 29 05:47:13 <mrpackethead> jsut want i want
May 29 05:47:35 * ka6sox refrains from asking what a firm disk is...
May 29 05:48:30 <Shadyman> mrpackethead: Giggity
May 29 05:48:51 <ketas> SpeedEvil: however i find it difficult to come up with proper circuit
May 29 05:48:51 <mranostay> #beagle after dark...
May 29 05:49:06 <ka6sox> #beagle *all* the time.
May 29 05:49:21 <dm8tbr> soft harddisks? as in all floppy and wiggly?
May 29 05:49:45 * mranostay digs for a ceeper card
May 29 05:49:49 * ka6sox sees where this is heading..and it isn't pretty
May 29 05:49:51 <mranostay> must have lost them in the move
May 29 05:50:00 <mranostay> *creeper
May 29 05:50:08 <ka6sox> mranostay, but you have so many boxes of them...
May 29 05:50:11 <av500> no forking of repos
May 29 05:50:13 * dm8tbr hands mranostay a stack of troll-cards™ instead
May 29 05:50:13 <ketas> beaglecreeper
May 29 05:50:23 <av500> before 10
May 29 05:50:45 <ka6sox> av500, its always 10 someplace
May 29 05:50:52 <mrpackethead> ill fork what i forking well want to fork, you fork
May 29 05:51:02 <ketas> fork you
May 29 05:51:09 <ketas> beef
May 29 05:51:19 <mrpackethead> only good beef
May 29 05:51:22 <Russ> kang is the modern term
May 29 05:51:26 <mranostay> yeah this is going well
May 29 05:51:30 <av500> ka6sox: no: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
May 29 05:51:34 <ketas> gang nom style
May 29 05:52:30 <mrpackethead> .beat
May 29 05:52:39 <av500> show me on the doll where chad kanged you
May 29 05:53:09 <ketas> hahaha
May 29 05:53:10 <ka6sox> its a good thing I have labeled #beagle as NSFC
May 29 05:53:23 <mrpackethead> @286
May 29 05:53:54 <ka6sox> "daddy...whats a kang?"
May 29 05:54:17 <mrpackethead> 287 .beats
May 29 05:54:18 <ketas> what's kang anyway
May 29 05:54:22 <av500> shh, you are not ready son
May 29 05:55:05 <mrpackethead> ok, smarty pants people
May 29 05:55:11 <ka6sox> 42
May 29 05:55:22 <ketas> i only know that's estonian word for long metal stick to pry on things
May 29 05:55:23 <mrpackethead> i need a low cost but reletively low cost way of measuring DC current
May 29 05:55:25 <ketas> :P
May 29 05:55:29 <mrpackethead> ranging 0-60A
May 29 05:55:43 <ka6sox> its called a SHUNT
May 29 05:55:52 <tasslehoff> todays topic for me is to find out how to solve my musb woes. a) fix current kernel, b) get newer kernel, c) accept broken/flaky hardware. I recall someone talking about broken musb here, but I don't know if they spoke about soft or hard ware.
May 29 05:55:58 <mrpackethead> i'd lke to acehvie +/- 0.5% accuancy
May 29 05:56:05 <av500> ketas: now apply that stick to a linux kernel
May 29 05:56:11 <av500> thats kanging
May 29 05:56:14 <ka6sox> tasslehoff, what processor
May 29 05:56:25 <av500> omap3
May 29 05:56:31 <tasslehoff> ka6sox: 3530. our board is almost a C3
May 29 05:56:42 <tasslehoff> beagleboard rev c3, that is
May 29 05:57:00 <ka6sox> I was talking about it in the context of an 8168
May 29 05:57:07 <ka6sox> and for that device..its broken
May 29 05:57:14 <av500> musb is broken everywhere
May 29 05:57:19 <ka6sox> (or flakey at best)
May 29 05:57:36 <ka6sox> av500, so there is no hope?
May 29 05:57:56 <ka6sox> "abandon hope all ye who enter into musbland"?
May 29 05:58:02 <av500> there is
May 29 05:58:08 <av500> I guess most can be fixed driver side
May 29 05:58:36 <ka6sox> but *is* it fixed or is this something one must sit at the feet of the masters for 6 months to attain?
May 29 05:58:43 <tasslehoff> we have disabled dma, and though it is slower, it mostly works now
May 29 05:59:01 <ka6sox> tasslehoff, not an option for our app.
May 29 05:59:22 <ka6sox> it prints slow enough already.
May 29 05:59:32 <tasslehoff> ka6sox: a pain for us as well, but better than crashing for now
May 29 05:59:33 <av500> save paper, print less
May 29 05:59:58 <ka6sox> av500, patients want to see pretty pictures of their insides....what can I say...
May 29 06:00:10 <av500> say no more
May 29 06:00:28 <ka6sox> more
May 29 06:00:48 <tasslehoff> my issue now is occasional crashes on reboot, that leave the kernel so sad that an "8 second reset" is needed.
May 29 06:01:23 <ka6sox> why the FDA would care how long it takes to print is beyond me.
May 29 06:01:39 <av500> it should print before the patient expires
May 29 06:01:58 <ka6sox> and so that the bill can be paid.
May 29 06:02:04 <av500> indeed
May 29 06:02:11 <av500> print a stock image :)
May 29 06:02:16 <av500> ah right, print is slow
May 29 06:02:19 <av500> not faking the image
May 29 06:02:37 <ka6sox> just open the drawer and pull one out
May 29 06:02:40 <av500> yes
May 29 06:02:45 <av500> the one from the last patient
May 29 06:03:05 <ka6sox> till patients compare pictures...then the jig is up.
May 29 06:03:24 <av500> they do that a lot?
May 29 06:03:31 <ka6sox> more than you know
May 29 06:03:36 <breedx> are usb gadgets (network and console over usb) available on the bbb stock/shipped image?  Does it needs special enabling?
May 29 06:03:52 <av500> it might
May 29 06:03:54 <av500> not sure
May 29 06:03:59 <ka6sox> sekret incantations
May 29 06:04:15 <ka6sox> breedx, some are in there...others you might need to compile in
May 29 06:04:17 <av500> lsmod shows only g_multi
May 29 06:04:18 <mranostay> ka6sox: fun project?
May 29 06:04:21 <tasslehoff> I consider trying 3.2.18, but saw a post on The Web about someone getting the same crash there.
May 29 06:04:29 <m_billybob> magik handwaving
May 29 06:04:35 <ka6sox> mranostay, mostly...but the musb thing is a killer
May 29 06:04:52 <breedx> ka6sox: are network and console over usb among those included or ??
May 29 06:04:55 <ka6sox> my last 2.6 kernel project.
May 29 06:05:07 <mranostay> heh all roads point to Mentor :P
May 29 06:05:24 <av500> mental
May 29 06:05:24 <ka6sox> breedx, check the ph0rums/googlegroups/mailinglist for a discussion on that issue
May 29 06:05:31 <breedx> ka6sox: cool, thx
May 29 06:05:48 <ketas> SpeedEvil: sure you mean circuit similar to http://www.thebox.myzen.co.uk/Tutorial/Protection_files/shapeimage_10.png ?
May 29 06:05:58 <ketas> SpeedEvil: s/sure/surely/
May 29 06:06:20 <mranostay> f#$# blew up a MOSFET
May 29 06:06:35 <m_billybob> must be oh beer thirty
May 29 06:06:35 <mranostay> at  least it was only $0.30
May 29 06:06:39 <mrpackethead> did you fork the mostfet
May 29 06:06:41 <ka6sox> blue smoke picture or it didn't happen
May 29 06:07:10 <mrpackethead> how did you blow up a mosfet
May 29 06:07:19 <mrpackethead> its impossible
May 29 06:07:31 <av500> use a tube
May 29 06:07:40 <mrpackethead> mosfets are a myth
May 29 06:07:56 <ketas> connect tube to bbb
May 29 06:08:17 <tasslehoff> ka6sox: you're struggling with musb on 2.6?
May 29 06:08:27 <ka6sox> yes
May 29 06:08:30 <tasslehoff> and it is your last 2.6 project?
May 29 06:08:31 <ka6sox> 2.6.37
May 29 06:08:43 <tasslehoff> it's almost like we're brothers in sorrow.
May 29 06:08:54 <tasslehoff> 2.6.39 here, but otherwise the same :)
May 29 06:08:57 <ka6sox> tasslehoff, medical is not fun
May 29 06:09:14 <maxinux> argh why does angstrom have to suck so bad, and ubuntu be so incomplete...
May 29 06:09:21 <av500> incimplete?
May 29 06:09:33 <ka6sox> maxinux, define "suck so bad" please/
May 29 06:09:34 <ka6sox> ?
May 29 06:10:03 <mrpackethead> we do understand the statmetn about ubuntu
May 29 06:10:09 <maxinux> ubuntu... no good prebuilt image, and no fbdev preventing X use atm... and no linux gadget support ...
May 29 06:10:38 <mrpackethead> maxinut, why dont' you build one
May 29 06:10:41 <maxinux> angstrom  -> lack of built in drivers, packages etc.... ubuntu or debian would make a lot more sense
May 29 06:10:51 <mrpackethead> so, install debian
May 29 06:10:53 <tasslehoff> ka6sox: don't know what you're struggling with, but I had to turn off dma after seeing Advisory 3.1.1.132
May 29 06:10:59 <tasslehoff> in the errata
May 29 06:11:16 <ka6sox> tasslehoff, we saw it too...but too late to switch.
May 29 06:11:21 <mrpackethead> maxinux: have you heard of google?
May 29 06:11:47 <ka6sox> maxinux, can you be more specific about which drivers and packages are "missing" from Angstrom?
May 29 06:11:47 <maxinux> lol, way to be helpful   :) google would not help any of those problems
May 29 06:12:18 <mrpackethead> well, i used google to find people who had solved these problems
May 29 06:12:26 <mrpackethead> then i collated all the information together
May 29 06:12:29 <mrpackethead> and mad eit work
May 29 06:12:36 <mrpackethead> but if you are too lazy to do that
May 29 06:12:50 <mrpackethead> then you'll just make trolls angry here
May 29 06:12:51 <vinal> hi
May 29 06:13:14 <mrpackethead> but angstrom does suck
May 29 06:13:15 <maxinux> mrpackethead:  more like mrdouchehead... whatever i can handle trolls, you are jsut being stupid and unhelpful.  if you collected data, share it.
May 29 06:13:20 <m_billybob> fine bvy me, where's my beer ?
May 29 06:13:31 <vinal> i need to know how to install xbmc
May 29 06:13:33 <ka6sox> maxinux, can you please answer my question? I am trying to help here
May 29 06:13:43 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: hes being lazy..
May 29 06:13:52 <m_billybob> vinal wrong channel
May 29 06:14:03 <maxinux> ka6sox:  common wireless drivers to start...  beagle is limited by the available os choices that work easily, raspi limited by slower hardware.. kinda funny.. oh accelerated X drivers being an omap4 issue
May 29 06:14:24 <vinal> what does it mean?
May 29 06:14:30 <ka6sox> which board do you have?
May 29 06:14:37 <maxinux> mrpackethead: ive been messing with ubuntu and archlinux for the last few days, none of this makes me lazy, the fact that one can just plugin a raspi and work ...
May 29 06:14:41 <maxinux> ka6sox: black
May 29 06:14:47 <vinal> i got the ninja block
May 29 06:14:49 <ka6sox> vinal, what are you trying to install xbmc on?
May 29 06:14:57 <mrpackethead> maxinux: then go and use a pi.
May 29 06:15:17 <vinal> i have BeagleBone Black
May 29 06:15:23 <vinal> ok
May 29 06:15:33 <vinal> On BeagleBone
May 29 06:15:38 <tasslehoff> ka6sox: you haven't encountered this kind of crash (and figured it out) http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/omap_applications_processors/f/447/t/244999.aspx ?
May 29 06:15:43 <ka6sox> vinal, you can install it on a BBB but it will only support 720p
May 29 06:16:04 <vinal> its ok i can watch some channel
May 29 06:16:17 <vinal> its ok ka6sox
May 29 06:16:39 <tasslehoff> once/if I solve that I think I'm releasing the last rootfs for this grand ole hardware
May 29 06:16:51 <vinal> will the picture will be poor :ka6sox
May 29 06:16:53 <maxinux> ka6sox:  i suspect my issue is that I expect a more useful os for a desktop use with all this power, but the time was never spent on that.. this board should be so much more popular and useful than it is atm... it will get there, but right now everyone is re-doing the same work everyone else is doing
May 29 06:17:20 <ka6sox> maxinux, Angstrom is an Embedded Distribution
May 29 06:17:31 <ka6sox> vinal, I can't tell you it will be poor...just not 1080p
May 29 06:17:56 <ka6sox> tasslehoff, are you using OTG?
May 29 06:17:56 <vinal> ok Ka6sox
May 29 06:18:17 <vinal> Do you know how can i install :ka6sox
May 29 06:18:22 <av500> vinal: xbmc on BBB makes little sense
May 29 06:18:33 <tasslehoff> ka6sox: host only, with an on-board connection to smsc lan9500.
May 29 06:18:37 <m_billybob> maxinux, if you truely want to know whats going on, read teh googlegroups for beagelboard
May 29 06:18:56 <m_billybob> lots of thing all happened at once whcih gives us the state of thing as the yare now
May 29 06:19:03 <m_billybob> including TI dropign the ball
May 29 06:19:08 <vinal> Some body must have install xbmc in bbb
May 29 06:19:23 <maxinux> m_billybob: shocker there re TI :)
May 29 06:19:29 <ka6sox> m_billybob, people *are* working  to solve the issues.
May 29 06:19:43 <ka6sox> so don't paint everyone with the same brush.
May 29 06:19:56 * maxinux hates forums but will take a peak... i suspect the answer is be patient and make my own work for now heh
May 29 06:20:03 <m_billybob> ka6sox yeah and these people get paid exactly how much ?
May 29 06:20:07 <m_billybob> wink wink
May 29 06:20:45 <ka6sox> depends on who they are and what they are working on I suppose.
May 29 06:21:05 <m_billybob> I figure by the time i learn everything i need to know to get what i want working, stuff will already start appearing
May 29 06:21:26 <Shadyman> :o http://www.ssiworld.com/watch/
May 29 06:21:32 <ka6sox> maxinux, Angstrom has things that are *not* in the onboard flash
May 29 06:21:47 <ka6sox> the flash is somewhat limiting (only 2GB)
May 29 06:22:46 <ka6sox> and the kernel isn't a 47k module kitchen sink kernel that takes enough time for coffee...
May 29 06:23:34 <ka6sox> so while support for *every* gadget/device that might be hooked up isn't in there that is normal in embedded stuff.
May 29 06:23:40 <vinal> anybody
May 29 06:24:07 <av500> vinal: no, mayne nobody did so far
May 29 06:24:08 <m_billybob> vinal check the google groups for beagleboard
May 29 06:24:08 <ka6sox> vinal, try the ph0rums/googlegroups/mailinglist
May 29 06:24:09 <av500> maybe
May 29 06:24:20 <av500> as I said, xbmc on BBB make little sense
May 29 06:24:22 <av500> makes
May 29 06:24:29 <ka6sox> av500, +1
May 29 06:24:38 <av500> it does all decoding on the CPU and the video output is 16bit 565 only
May 29 06:24:46 <m_billybob> makes perfect sense if thats what someone wants ;)
May 29 06:25:09 <ka6sox> m_billybob, no DSP
May 29 06:25:14 <ka6sox> so it doesn't make sense.
May 29 06:25:21 <ka6sox> the CPU has to handle all the decoding
May 29 06:25:27 <vinal> ok
May 29 06:25:35 <m_billybob> *shrug* people do lots of thigns tha dont make sense
May 29 06:25:57 <m_billybob> i dont necessarily disagree
May 29 06:26:10 <m_billybob> but pricewise whe all is said and done, bbb may make more sense
May 29 06:26:30 <ka6sox> m_billybob, http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/167
May 29 06:26:30 <m_billybob> rpi is or was almost imossible to get for the suggested retail price
May 29 06:26:47 <av500> m_billybob: sure, go ahead
May 29 06:26:52 <av500> if you want xbmc, install it
May 29 06:26:59 <m_billybob> ka6sox, yeah i know all about the hardware
May 29 06:27:02 <av500> its just not a common thing that people
May 29 06:27:03 <av500> do
May 29 06:27:04 <m_billybob> differences
May 29 06:28:31 <m_billybob> I wouldnt put xmbc on a bbb either
May 29 06:28:38 <m_billybob> such a waste of gpio
May 29 06:28:44 <ka6sox> m_billybob, sure I can take a $15 ARM chip and turn it into a $1 PIC by making the linux kernel do RT....but why would I want to?
May 29 06:29:45 <mrpackethead> maxinux: http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black
May 29 06:29:47 <LetoThe2nd> ka6sox: well replacing a 1$ pic is not the only use case of RT-PREEMPT
May 29 06:29:53 <mrpackethead> knock your self out
May 29 06:30:58 <m_billybob> ka6sox for the hell of it ? not like it has to stay "written" in stone, you could also eventually use it should be :)
May 29 06:31:00 <maxinux> mrpackethead:  had found that already and gotten past all that long ago...  remaining issues i have are getting fbdev working on ubuntu.. but just realized recently that that was my only option (no X omap4 driver thanks TI)
May 29 06:31:21 <maxinux> mrpackethead: my complaint, if you had bothered to read was that we had to go through that mess at all.
May 29 06:31:29 <m_billybob> maxinux quater 4 is a ways off still too .  ..
May 29 06:31:40 <m_billybob> quarter*
May 29 06:31:48 <mrpackethead> if i had designed he BBB, it woud'nt have had an HDMI port
May 29 06:31:55 <mrpackethead> it woud'nt ahve had all the silly usb stuff
May 29 06:32:03 <av500> maxinux: omap4?
May 29 06:32:04 <mrpackethead> its not a desktop / laptop replacemtn
May 29 06:32:07 <av500> what are you talking about?
May 29 06:32:11 <mrpackethead> and its not a media center
May 29 06:32:13 <maxinux> native X driver
May 29 06:32:18 <ka6sox> LetoThe2nd, lets just say I've been underwhelmed with General Performance once you tweak the kernel over to the RT side.
May 29 06:32:21 <mrpackethead> why do you want a native X driver
May 29 06:32:49 <av500> I must be drugged, but my BBB runs X
May 29 06:32:58 <av500> I mean I am drugged
May 29 06:33:00 <av500> still
May 29 06:33:01 <mrpackethead> av500, of course you are just dreeaming
May 29 06:33:02 <m_billybob> it'll run x
May 29 06:33:04 <maxinux> mrpackethead: the better to get efficiency out of the hardware with? i dont know why you are askign the most retarded questions ever
May 29 06:33:06 <mrpackethead> :-)
May 29 06:33:08 <LetoThe2nd> ka6sox: sure, when going to RT you always trade throughput for response time.
May 29 06:33:15 <LetoThe2nd> av500: even more than usual?
May 29 06:33:18 <av500> yes
May 29 06:33:19 <maxinux> running X on fb is lame when you could run it accelerated.. the hardware supports it ...
May 29 06:33:21 <av500> doubled it today
May 29 06:33:24 <ka6sox> LetoThe2nd, you don't have to
May 29 06:33:28 <av500> maxinux: what HW?
May 29 06:33:30 <LetoThe2nd> av500: BTW: 2x BBB are already in my packstation :)
May 29 06:33:31 <mrpackethead> maxinux: i dont' know why you bother to come and visit this
May 29 06:33:33 <mrpackethead> channel
May 29 06:33:44 <mrpackethead> since you already know all the answers
May 29 06:33:46 <maxinux> av500: the SOC
May 29 06:34:09 <LetoThe2nd> ka6sox: well if i have RT_PREEMPT *and* i use it, the cpu time has to come from somewhere.
May 29 06:34:11 <maxinux> mrpackethead:  i was hoping someone would say 'oh this person/people/group is working on making the image better'
May 29 06:34:21 <mrpackethead> plenty of people are
May 29 06:34:23 <maxinux> but instead its a cluster of people doing things differently
May 29 06:34:30 <maxinux> which is fine
May 29 06:34:34 <m_billybob> av500 probably thinking og the powerVR ogl es lack of support
May 29 06:34:34 <maxinux> bit lame, but fine
May 29 06:34:38 <av500> maxinux: so, the SoC on the BBB
May 29 06:34:43 <mrpackethead> but "X" is not somethign that many people regard as important
May 29 06:34:51 <maxinux> av500:  i guess BBB is the key word here, yes
May 29 06:34:54 <av500> ah 3D support
May 29 06:35:04 <ka6sox> 3D support is *always* tough.
May 29 06:35:10 <av500> yes, that is lacking
May 29 06:35:14 <ka6sox> costs $$$$
May 29 06:35:28 <maxinux> not that I have a particular need for it... i was thinking the omap driver would _work_ but found angstrom using fbdev .. so going to go that route in ubuntu now
May 29 06:35:55 <av500> maxinux: BBB != omap
May 29 06:36:02 <ka6sox> maxinux, I missed your application for the BBB...
May 29 06:36:18 <mrpackethead> ka6sox: think hes building a troll-cape
May 29 06:36:36 <ka6sox> mrpackethead, sssh...don't wake up the trolls
May 29 06:36:40 <mrpackethead> ok, had my fun for the night..
May 29 06:36:45 <maxinux> ka6sox: ultimately looking for sdr/ham radio stuff... 3d is not necesary, but would be nice
May 29 06:37:01 <mrpackethead> Hi maxinux, welcome to #beagle! where we will be more than willing to help
May 29 06:37:02 <ka6sox> maxinux, like freedv or gnuradio?
May 29 06:37:11 <m_billybob> ka6sox perhaps a btc miner, you kow that powerVR might give a whole MS/s ;)
May 29 06:37:14 <ka6sox> nite nite mrpackethead
May 29 06:37:22 <m_billybob> MH/s
May 29 06:37:25 <mrpackethead> you passed the test...
May 29 06:37:44 <maxinux> was contemplating moving a raspi project of mine over to it due to extra CPU, but the software issues make that more work than it may be worth for a burning man project
May 29 06:37:44 <mrpackethead> maxinux: this doe'snt sound like a homework assignment
May 29 06:37:57 <mrpackethead> ahh, burning man.
May 29 06:38:03 <mrpackethead> oh the memorys.
May 29 06:38:05 <ka6sox> m_billybob, Eric Holder has your name and number...
May 29 06:38:12 <m_billybob> lol
May 29 06:38:25 <maxinux> ka6sox:  gnu radio, rtlsdr.. qso logging
May 29 06:38:46 <ka6sox> for gnu radio..should work fine
May 29 06:38:47 <maxinux> mrpackethead:  no, not a homework assignment, ive been working a long time ;)
May 29 06:38:57 <mrpackethead> Eric might be pretty useful on the Ham stuff
May 29 06:39:02 <mrpackethead> hes right into that stuff
May 29 06:39:16 <m_billybob> Eric would fit in perfect aroudn here. as dog food
May 29 06:39:22 <ka6sox> maxinux, I"m interested in freeDV
May 29 06:39:31 <mrpackethead> Eric = emeb_mac
May 29 06:39:34 <ka6sox> its a bit of a stretch but doable I think
May 29 06:39:42 <m_billybob> Eric holder  ?
May 29 06:39:42 <maxinux> ka6sox: nothing im trying to do _wont_ work, just a matter of software taking longer to setup than I had hoped for... but I love gentoo, so im used to being sadistic in my OS choices, just didnt expect BBB to be one
May 29 06:40:02 <ka6sox> maxinux, Angstrom is based off of Gentoo...
May 29 06:40:08 <ka6sox> but for embedded
May 29 06:40:11 <maxinux> ka6sox:  would love to see that working
May 29 06:40:20 <mrpackethead> maxinux: i was reall dissapointed with the Angrstom build that arrived on my BBB's
May 29 06:40:22 <emeb_mac> sometimes eric = emeb.
May 29 06:40:27 <ka6sox> maxinux, called OpenEmbedded
May 29 06:40:29 <maxinux> ka6sox:  uhh hard to say something that is not source compiled and has a package manager is gentoo based anymore :D
May 29 06:40:36 <mrpackethead> a  *nix o/s that you cant' SSH into
May 29 06:40:49 <mrpackethead> or network does'nt work properly
May 29 06:40:50 <maxinux> mrpackethead:  you mean an iphone? :)
May 29 06:40:52 <ka6sox> gotta have *something* to install things
May 29 06:40:59 <m_billybob> mrpackethead Eric Holder is an US atorney general or some such lame title. hes a piece of . . . yeah well you get the picture
May 29 06:41:04 <ka6sox> evening Eric
May 29 06:41:09 <m_billybob> piece of dog food if he shows up in these parts
May 29 06:41:22 <emeb_mac> fortunately, I am not Atty Gen.
May 29 06:41:39 <ka6sox> or an Atty or a General either!
May 29 06:41:57 <mrpackethead> i'm yet to hear a good reaosn why you would use Angstrom, other than you wanted to use yet another distro.
May 29 06:42:14 <emeb_mac> because Angstrom rulez!
May 29 06:42:25 <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: thats a great reason
May 29 06:42:26 <m_billybob> because people must use what they like
May 29 06:42:42 <m_billybob> or what the ythink they like
May 29 06:42:46 <mrpackethead> or know.
May 29 06:42:55 <mrpackethead> and 20 years of messing with debian.
May 29 06:43:00 <mrpackethead> means i'm staying with it
May 29 06:43:14 <mrpackethead> my young engineers want to make arch work on it
May 29 06:43:16 <emeb_mac> I like Angstrom because it fits the HW nicely.
May 29 06:43:18 <m_billybob> dont have to convince me i had debian on the bbb before you did :P
May 29 06:43:27 <mrpackethead> I like Debian because it fits the HW nicely.
May 29 06:43:31 <emeb_mac> Kinda like Dr. Dobbs - running light w/o overbyte.
May 29 06:43:55 <m_billybob> mrpackethead jus tkeep in mind all suport for drivers etc will be on angstrom
May 29 06:44:12 <m_billybob> so you and I will be doing lots of porting posssibly
May 29 06:44:22 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: everything i want to use already works
May 29 06:44:35 <mrpackethead> *ethernet port* check
May 29 06:44:35 <m_billybob> fwiw, debian / angstrom binaries arent compatible
May 29 06:44:42 <mrpackethead> * usb port * check
May 29 06:44:51 <mrpackethead> SPI port check
May 29 06:45:25 <mrpackethead> already written software and dependancys, check, compile check! Horrah
May 29 06:45:28 <mrpackethead> solution!
May 29 06:45:32 <mrpackethead> send invoice
May 29 06:45:35 <mrpackethead> receive payment
May 29 06:45:37 <mrpackethead> pay tax
May 29 06:45:39 <mrpackethead> have holiday
May 29 06:45:40 <m_billybob> lol
May 29 06:46:34 <m_billybob> mrpackethead pretty good for a fancy light switch ;)
May 29 06:46:44 <panto> morning
May 29 06:46:45 <mrpackethead> yeah yeah
May 29 06:46:56 <mrpackethead> todays problem.  customer rings up and says..
May 29 06:47:01 <mrpackethead> hey we forgot to tell you something
May 29 06:47:17 <mrpackethead> the device will be subject to vibration
May 29 06:47:21 <mrpackethead> oh, how much
May 29 06:47:33 <m_billybob> 40g's ?
May 29 06:47:38 <m_billybob> hehehe
May 29 06:47:41 <mrpackethead> not that much
May 29 06:48:01 <mrpackethead> but enough, that i cna't ignore it.
May 29 06:48:03 <emeb_mac> hope you didn't use MLCCs in the audio path. :)
May 29 06:48:35 <mrpackethead> lucky that bit is'nt bolted high in teh sky
May 29 06:48:45 <mrpackethead> so other than "shunt"
May 29 06:48:52 <mrpackethead> whats a nice idea for meauring currnet
May 29 06:49:04 <mrpackethead> 0-60A, DC
May 29 06:49:16 <m_billybob> mrpackethead ----> mrpackethead-on-phone-to-customer: Ah yes i forgot to tell yo usomething too .  .price jus ttripled.
May 29 06:49:35 <mrpackethead> this customer almost woud'tn care
May 29 06:49:38 <mrpackethead> they are a bit like that
May 29 06:49:43 <mrpackethead> we love them
May 29 06:49:53 <emeb_mac> hall effect sensor in a toroid around the supply wire?
May 29 06:49:56 <mrpackethead> we make more money out of the changes
May 29 06:49:59 <mrpackethead> than the project!
May 29 06:50:02 <m_billybob> yeah im kidding but sometimes dont you wish you could say somethign like that ?
May 29 06:50:31 <mrpackethead> they never see any value in paying for some upfront consultancy to prperly scope the project
May 29 06:50:51 <mrpackethead> so, to save $10k, they will spend $80k later
May 29 06:50:54 <mrpackethead> its good maths
May 29 06:51:00 <m_billybob> for you ;)
May 29 06:51:17 <mrpackethead> 70k, is a rounding error on their balance sheet
May 29 06:51:24 <m_billybob> heh
May 29 06:51:57 <mrpackethead> maxinux: we have somethign you need btw
May 29 06:52:00 <mrpackethead> a FPGA cape
May 29 06:52:15 <emeb_mac> nobody needs that. :)
May 29 06:52:16 <m_billybob> kind of glad im not in your shoes, or any of the ther guys in here who do this for a living
May 29 06:52:30 <maxinux> mrpackethead: hah nice
May 29 06:52:39 <mrpackethead> just sned us $14 + P/P
May 29 06:52:47 <mrpackethead> get your self a soldering iron
May 29 06:52:50 <mrpackethead> and join the fun
May 29 06:52:59 <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: no one needs it
May 29 06:53:05 <mrpackethead> but everyone wants one
May 29 06:53:06 <emeb_mac> remember to grab the right end.
May 29 06:53:26 <m_billybob> solder iron for a FPGA ?
May 29 06:53:35 <m_billybob> soldering iron*
May 29 06:53:36 <mrpackethead> yes,
May 29 06:53:38 <emeb_mac> gotta build the board somehow
May 29 06:53:39 <mrpackethead> a soldering iron
May 29 06:54:00 <mrpackethead> emeb_mac: i cut a stencil today for mine
May 29 06:54:14 <m_billybob> not hot air gun or reflow oven ?
May 29 06:54:16 <mrpackethead> but i'll hand do the TGQP's
May 29 06:54:21 <mrpackethead> TQFP'
May 29 06:54:29 <m_billybob> oh thats different story then
May 29 06:54:35 <emeb_mac> drag solder FTW!
May 29 06:54:43 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: easy to hand solder a TQFP
May 29 06:54:44 <m_billybob> flux for the win
May 29 06:55:30 <mrpackethead> I have a Hakko FX-951 and a BC/M tip
May 29 06:55:36 <mrpackethead> it does a wonderful job
May 29 06:55:58 <m_billybob> im not a soldering pro, but ive seen youtune hand soldering porn before ;)
May 29 06:56:03 <m_billybob> those guys make it look easy
May 29 06:56:13 <m_billybob> youtube*
May 29 06:56:26 <mrpackethead> I taught some guys to do it at a christmas light maker faire
May 29 06:56:30 <mrpackethead> in about 20 minuts
May 29 06:56:33 <mrpackethead> its *not* hard
May 29 06:56:44 <mrpackethead> just right tools, right techiqnue
May 29 06:56:50 <m_billybob> yeah i figure i could learn to do it pretty quick
May 29 06:56:51 <mrpackethead> lots of flux
May 29 06:56:58 <m_billybob> liberal mounts of solder flux
May 29 06:57:00 <m_billybob> right
May 29 06:57:09 <mrpackethead> and a good supply of IPA
May 29 06:57:12 <ka6sox> m_billybob, my yellow nightlights make your name disappear
May 29 06:57:19 <ka6sox> p00f
May 29 06:57:22 <m_billybob> ?
May 29 06:57:57 <m_billybob> ka6sox, what'd i do now ?
May 29 06:58:21 <ka6sox> highlighting FTW
May 29 06:58:42 <ka6sox> your nick shows up in blue and thats invisible under the yellow LEDs
May 29 06:59:10 <ka6sox> just thought you ought to know
May 29 06:59:12 <m_billybob> am i somehow highlighting you ? other than when i type your nick ?
May 29 06:59:31 * ka6sox is about as clear as mud tonight...
May 29 06:59:39 <m_billybob> its probably me
May 29 07:01:04 <m_billybob> ka6sox either way doesnt bother me if it doesnt bother you.
May 29 07:01:12 <ka6sox> tasslehoff, I am hoping we don't have to go to a 3.x kernel
May 29 07:02:39 <m_billybob> lol along those lines someone on the groups said somethign abotu having a mostly ported 3.2 kernel working for the bbb
May 29 07:03:08 <tasslehoff> ka6sox: me too, but I think maybe I'll test it, since I have no idea how to get rid of the bug (besides whining in #beagle in case someone has a solution)
May 29 07:03:15 <ka6sox> if you define "mostly working withouth HDMI or eMMC
May 29 07:03:20 <m_billybob> I think he/she needed to finish hdmi or something
May 29 07:03:32 <m_billybob> hdmi to me is non important
May 29 07:03:44 <m_billybob> could live without emmc for a little while
May 29 07:03:57 * ka6sox could live without it forever :)
May 29 07:04:16 <ka6sox> tasslehoff, I just don't want to have to requalify it is all.
May 29 07:04:35 <tasslehoff> ka6sox: ah, medical...
May 29 07:04:45 <tasslehoff> I can imagine there are Procedures
May 29 07:06:01 <ka6sox> when they first showed me the product....I thought I'd been transported to Area 51
May 29 07:06:17 <koen> ka6sox: the PRU is very much like the engines in the IXP4xx now that I think of it
May 29 07:06:24 <m_billybob> heh again im glad i dotn do this for a living, i spent all day workign on iSCSI, and when i ran into a dead end because of no kernel module for iSCSI( no sd card adapter handy ) I got nfs working instead :P
May 29 07:06:34 <ka6sox> koen, yes! I forgot about that.
May 29 07:06:34 <koen> ka6sox: I remember Lennert saying they are very generic
May 29 07:06:55 <ka6sox> koen, I had forgottten that.
May 29 07:06:59 <thurgood> so now I can't tell if xloader isn;t handing off to uboot, or if uboot sipmly isn't running
May 29 07:07:08 <koen> the ixp28xx could do line level filtering on 10 gbit ports with those
May 29 07:07:26 <ka6sox> iirc Lennert had a few of those
May 29 07:07:55 <ka6sox> fast but needed NFS storage
May 29 07:08:08 <koen> he had a few at his uni job
May 29 07:08:17 <thurgood> I'm leaning towards xloader not handing off :/
May 29 07:08:29 <ka6sox> thurgood, have you hooked up a console?
May 29 07:08:35 <thurgood> yes
May 29 07:08:47 <ka6sox> any u-boot output at all?
May 29 07:08:53 <thurgood> nope
May 29 07:09:07 <ka6sox> tried both eMMC and SD?
May 29 07:09:32 <thurgood> it's a custom board  based off the beagle
May 29 07:09:47 <thurgood> but sd
May 29 07:09:48 <ka6sox> okay...sorry, no help here ;(
May 29 07:10:39 <ka6sox> koen, I'd be happy getting rid of the UIO interface and going to virtio
May 29 07:12:38 <thurgood> koen, do you remember what version of xloader the bb xM used?
May 29 07:12:55 <koen> I use u-boot SPL on it :)
May 29 07:12:55 <av500> ?
May 29 07:13:15 <koen> mainline u-boot should jsut work on xM
May 29 07:13:32 <thurgood> hmm, does it work with classic too?
May 29 07:13:39 <av500> why not?
May 29 07:14:01 <thurgood> dunno, just covering the bases
May 29 07:14:19 <ka6sox> Strike 3
May 29 07:14:31 <ka6sox> okay I need sleep...
May 29 07:14:33 <ka6sox> laters
May 29 07:14:38 <m_billybob> night
May 29 07:14:41 <panto> cya ka6sox-away
May 29 07:14:46 <panto> got to run some errands
May 29 07:14:52 <panto> cya later
May 29 07:15:41 <thurgood> I need sleep too... been working on this for about 20 hours straight.... going blurry eyed
May 29 07:16:01 <m_billybob> probably do better after you sleep
May 29 07:16:32 <m_billybob> passed my bedtime but im not eve remotely tired yet
May 29 07:16:54 * m_billybob tosses on Starship troopers
May 29 07:17:15 <rbarris> medic !!
May 29 07:17:23 <m_billybob> lol yeah
May 29 07:17:40 <rbarris> it's an evil planet!  ... a *bug* planet.
May 29 07:17:51 <m_billybob> put you hand on that WALL trooper !
May 29 07:40:01 <kelvinji> tps65217 1-0024: Failed to read revision register: -121
May 29 07:43:35 <shoragan> koen, do you know if anyone outside of TI knows how to use the am335x band-gap temperature sensor?
May 29 07:44:48 <shoragan> in http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_Thermal_Chamber_Experiment they seem to have used it for measurements
May 29 08:08:50 <tasslehoff> koen: is there an online builder that builds packages for angstrom? want to check if libgles-omap3 is broken-for-everyone-or-just-me
May 29 08:09:07 <av500> narcissus?
May 29 08:10:07 <tasslehoff> av500: find out by compiling an image with it, you mean?
May 29 08:11:06 <koen> shoragan: no, I was wondering about the same yesterday
May 29 08:12:19 <tasslehoff> koen: trying a build of 'next' with libgles-omap3 now. what is 'next' there?
May 29 08:12:35 <tasslehoff> my build fails in do_package/split_and_strip_files
May 29 08:20:01 <koen> 'next' is oe-core master
May 29 08:20:19 <av500> what is "stable"?
May 29 08:35:39 <av500> LetoThe2nd: awesome link
May 29 08:35:46 <LetoThe2nd> av500: hell yeah.
May 29 08:36:22 <LetoThe2nd> av500: just found that little treasure after having a look at LKML again after a longish time.
May 29 08:44:10 <koen> av500: "stable" is the setup-scripts 'master' branch
May 29 08:48:22 <aichiao> hello
May 29 08:52:43 <tasslehoff> hmm. I spy with my little eye a commit that may be relevant for my woes. when musb is compiled as a module (which I do), a different and "not very well tested" fifo mode is apparently used.
May 29 08:53:12 <av500> url?
May 29 08:55:01 <KotH> a good, rainy JIHAD morning everyone
May 29 08:55:33 <av500> +1
May 29 08:55:35 <tasslehoff> av500: http://goo.gl/0Kcl9
May 29 08:55:58 <av500> my eyes, they bleed
May 29 08:56:02 <tasslehoff> hm, maybe I should do the full one for the logs, or will that one live forever?
May 29 08:56:19 <av500> you mean if your clone comes along?
May 29 08:56:23 <av500> and has musb issues?
May 29 08:56:29 <av500> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c?id=ee34e51a7458ba59af65d1b0eb9c7fa9d19a7586
May 29 08:56:34 <tasslehoff> something like that
May 29 08:56:48 <tasslehoff> I think I'm a clone now, there's always two of me just hanging around
May 29 08:56:56 <koen> tasslehoff: iirc you need mode 5 or mode 6
May 29 08:56:58 <koen> I forget the details
May 29 08:57:12 <koen> I suspect you need a large EP for the smsc
May 29 08:57:15 <tasslehoff> koen: that commit would have given me mode 6
May 29 08:57:26 <koen> you can set it on the cmdline
May 29 08:57:40 <tasslehoff> sysfs?
May 29 08:57:46 <tasslehoff> gah
May 29 08:57:47 <tasslehoff> sorry
May 29 08:58:33 <koen> musb_hdrc.fifo_mode
May 29 09:00:17 <av500> tasslehoff: on your product, put a selector
May 29 09:00:25 <av500> with modes up to 11
May 29 09:00:28 <av500> future proof
May 29 09:00:44 <av500> customers love to tweak modes
May 29 09:01:31 <tasslehoff> I'll check with hw if we can add a dial on the box
May 29 09:01:45 <Shadyman> av500: There's a relevant and highly inappropriate meme that fits that statement PERFECTLY.
May 29 09:02:02 <tasslehoff> now I need to find out what that fifo mode actually is.
May 29 09:02:37 <av500> tasslehoff: probably unused
May 29 09:02:50 <av500> hardcoded to 4 somewhere also do to another ifdef hell
May 29 09:02:55 <av500> somewhere else
May 29 09:03:07 <Shadyman> Well crap. Looks like someone hacked memegenerator.net? http://www.memegenerator.net/
May 29 09:03:25 <Shadyman> ah, no www.
May 29 09:03:40 <av500> they hacked the www?
May 29 09:03:52 <Shadyman> apparently?
May 29 09:04:04 <Shadyman> or they never used teh www to begin with
May 29 09:04:14 <Shadyman> beats me, it doesn't look like a userlist or anything
May 29 09:04:18 * Shadyman headscratches.
May 29 09:04:52 <tasslehoff> koen: are you sure (about 5 or 6)? the patch gives me 4 instead of 2.
May 29 09:05:01 <tasslehoff> still don't know what the numbers mean :)
May 29 09:05:35 <Shadyman> av500: looks like it' fixed now
May 29 09:05:43 <Shadyman> and looked like someone's DB class homework :p
May 29 09:05:48 <koen> tasslehoff: it's about endpoint size allocation
May 29 09:06:02 <koen> tasslehoff: 5 and 6 give more space to ep0 and ep1 (again, iirc)
May 29 09:06:12 <tasslehoff> koen: ouch, and the smsc is hungry like the beast
May 29 09:06:48 <av500> there are these nice SPI network chips
May 29 09:07:06 <koen> tasslehoff: for beagle we used '5', but e.g. the usb sniffer project needed '6'
May 29 09:07:34 <koen> tasslehoff: it depends on your application, one fifomode works for X but breaks Y
May 29 09:08:19 <koen> there's a TI chip with MUSB in one of the Fritz! routers
May 29 09:08:31 <kelvinji> tps65217 1-0024: Failed to read revision register: -121
May 29 09:08:49 <koen> weekly shipments from germany with a note "now this USB devices doesn't work, fix it"
May 29 09:08:56 <kelvinji> Any idea or anyone encountered the same problem?
May 29 09:09:14 <kelvinji> the i2c worked fine
May 29 09:09:37 <kelvinji> but read the tps65217 register failed
May 29 09:18:08 <cellardoor> Hi. I put Arch Linux on my BBBlack last night, and this morning I went to try out that "flash the USR LED" script... except I can't because I've wiped all the default software. Also, a quick Google doesn't turn up much for GPIO and Arch.. Where do I start, and can I make the little onboard blue LED's flash somehow in Arch?
May 29 09:19:59 <av500> koen: lol
May 29 09:20:09 <av500> koen: we used to ship monthly to TI Israel
May 29 09:20:20 <av500> batching in in monthly was easier for the shipping
May 29 09:21:00 <LetoThe2nd> av500: you are bathing monthly? ;)
May 29 09:21:39 <av500> yes, when my monthly bath salt shipment artrives
May 29 09:23:15 <LetoThe2nd> strange, i always thought you also would prefer water, not salt.
May 29 09:23:25 * LetoThe2nd goes take a sand bath
May 29 09:23:43 <tasslehoff> the commit message says "prevent everybody from using fifo_mode 2.". I take that as a sign that I should stop too :)
May 29 09:23:46 <av500> take a sand blast
May 29 09:24:12 <LetoThe2nd> hey, leave my dental hygiene out of this!
May 29 09:30:47 <av500> le sigh: http://pastebin.com/f5RM4Dtf
May 29 09:30:50 <av500> LetoThe2nd: ^^^
May 29 09:32:03 <kfoltman> av500: can you design a home theather PCB for me? ;P
May 29 09:32:42 <LetoThe2nd> av500: was that #hometheatern00bs or what?
May 29 09:35:07 <jackmitchell> cellardoor: it should be the same
May 29 09:35:27 <jackmitchell> cellardoor: gpio control is specific to linux, not distro
May 29 09:36:05 <jackmitchell> cellardoor: however, if you are trying to use the bonescript libraries, then they are loaded on the angstrom distro
May 29 09:36:27 <jackmitchell> cellardoor: in which case, follow this guide to re-flash Angstrom: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
May 29 09:42:29 <av500> LetoThe2nd: linux-omap
May 29 09:42:49 <LetoThe2nd> OMG
May 29 09:53:03 <cellardoor> jackmitchell: thank you for the reply! I wanted to stick with Arch because frankly, I love it. Guess I will have to skip Bonescript libraries and get a cape or something and play with boards :)
May 29 09:54:57 <KotH> LetoThe2nd: stupidity prevails
May 29 09:55:16 <tasslehoff> av500: I seldom visit #linux-omap, but that made todays visit worth it.
May 29 09:55:19 <LetoThe2nd> KotH: thats for sure.
May 29 09:55:23 <jackmitchell> cellardoor: there is nothing stopping you playing with the GPIO's in Arch, you will just have to use the Linux interfaces directly, rather than Javascript libraries. Plenty of information on google, search for BeagleBone GPIO sysfs
May 29 09:58:55 <Nemo_> hi, can i ask here about my problem with beaglebord xM?
May 29 09:59:18 <KotH> i think you should be able to do that. at least you just showed us that you are able to ask questions
May 29 09:59:20 <jackmitchell> Nemo_: sorry, you just used your one free question
May 29 09:59:37 <jackmitchell> Nemo_: but, seriously, just ask
May 29 10:00:00 <cellardoor> jackmitchell: ta muchly!
May 29 10:00:19 <av500> Nemo_: ask away comrade
May 29 10:00:21 * dm8tbr resets the free question counter for Nemo_ - one more free question for you
May 29 10:03:25 <Nemo_> i'm begginer in that. i do "opkg update", then "opkg upgrade". When it finished beaglebord cannot shutdow. When i choose shutdown beaglebor restarting
May 29 10:03:46 <Nemo_> and sorry for my english =)
May 29 10:07:30 <Nemo_> maybe you know what is wrong?
May 29 10:07:52 <av500> did it shutdown before?
May 29 10:08:04 <av500> before you did opkg upgrade?
May 29 10:08:12 <Nemo_> yes
May 29 10:08:15 <av500> there are versions of the BBB where upgrade breaks
May 29 10:08:21 <av500> best is to reflash a newer version
May 29 10:08:58 <av500> I wish beagleboard.org would link to the latest flasher in <blink>RED</blink>
May 29 10:09:18 <jackmitchell> av500: I think he has a BB xM
May 29 10:09:19 <dm8tbr> don't forget <marquee>
May 29 10:09:37 <av500> ah XM
May 29 10:09:44 <av500> well, same
May 29 10:09:48 <jackmitchell> of which I know nothing about, so I can't add anything else useful :)
May 29 10:09:49 <Nemo_> yes it's BB xM
May 29 10:10:00 <av500> http://beagleboard.org/latest-images
May 29 10:10:11 <av500> Nemo_: not much we can do other than give you the lastest image
May 29 10:10:23 <av500> finding out what exactly went wrong is hard
May 29 10:10:33 <av500> also, dont upgrade if you dont have the need to
May 29 10:11:47 <Nemo_> ok, maybe you can give any manual how i did it?
May 29 10:13:06 <Nemo_> i did opkg upgrade because git can't installed, i think that upgrade help
May 29 10:13:56 <av500> okpg install git did not work?
May 29 10:14:09 <av500> Nemo_: please start from the latest image given above
May 29 10:14:52 <Nemo_> yes, not work
May 29 10:15:13 <Nemo_> it bad?
May 29 10:16:20 <av500> bad?
May 29 10:16:34 <av500> please install the latest image
May 29 10:16:38 <av500> then try to install git
May 29 10:16:43 <av500> opkg update
May 29 10:16:45 <av500> opkg list
May 29 10:16:50 <jackmitchell> Nemo_: I agree with av500, install the latest image, then try update install git
May 29 10:16:51 <av500> git should be listed
May 29 10:17:45 <Nemo_> ok i try, thanks for help. where i can find manual for install the latest image?
May 29 10:18:24 <av500> just write it to an sd card
May 29 10:20:47 <av500> Nemo_: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/
May 29 10:20:50 <dm8tbr> don't forget to gunzip first
May 29 10:21:08 <av500> ah no
May 29 10:21:10 <av500> wrong ones
May 29 10:21:36 <Nemo_> i downloading http://angstrom.s3.amazonaws.com/demo/beagleboard/Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz
May 29 10:22:07 <Nemo_> it's right?
May 29 10:22:23 <koen> give http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beagleboard/Angstrom-systemd-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beagleboard-2013.05.08.img.xz a try
May 29 10:22:23 <av500> yes
May 29 10:22:32 <av500> or that
May 29 10:22:34 <koen> 'opkg update ; opkg install git' should work on that
May 29 10:23:06 <av500> Nemo_: you know how to copy the image?
May 29 10:23:22 <Nemo_> not shure
May 29 10:23:35 <av500> xz -d <image>
May 29 10:23:38 <av500> to uncompress
May 29 10:24:04 <av500> then dd if=<image> of=/dev/sdX bs=1M
May 29 10:24:13 <av500> sdX is your sdcard
May 29 10:24:20 <av500> sdb sdc or whatever you have
May 29 10:24:29 <av500> mayke sure its not your hard drive
May 29 10:28:36 <Nemo_> Do i understand correctly: i hard shutdown the beagleboar, copy on sd image in PC. Then turn on beagleboard adn write commands, which you write?
May 29 10:29:30 <dm8tbr> no, those are commands for your pc...
May 29 10:30:05 <Nemo_> =) ok, i try google how do it =)
May 29 10:30:25 <av500> shutdown
May 29 10:30:27 <Nemo_> on my PC win7
May 29 10:30:28 <av500> remove card
May 29 10:30:29 <Nemo_> =)
May 29 10:30:30 <av500> ah
May 29 10:30:34 <av500> then you need some image writer
May 29 10:30:36 <av500> google it
May 29 10:30:39 <av500> ubuntu has one or so
May 29 10:31:33 <dm8tbr> the important bit is to uncompress the image before writing
May 29 10:33:17 <koen> 7zip can decompress .xz files
May 29 10:33:31 <WanaGo> Hello. Can someone tell me how many posts are required before each post doesnt have to be moderated and approved before appearing on the beagleboard.org community board?
May 29 10:33:38 <Nemo_> ok, i uncompress image, which i download, on sd and that's all? after tah beagleboar work as new?
May 29 10:34:51 <dm8tbr> Nemo_: you have to use an 'image writer' to write it to the sd card, but yes, then it will just work
May 29 10:36:56 <Nemo_> ok, thanks for help - i will try
May 29 10:46:45 * tasslehoff changes to #linux-omap and leans back
May 29 10:52:26 <koen> tasslehoff: did switching to mode 4/5/6 help?
May 29 10:53:34 <tasslehoff> koen: I'm working at home, but a colleague have changed the cmdline and started reboot testing on 6 systems. Won't know for sure if it helped until tomorrow. If none of them have crashed then, it helped :)
May 29 10:53:50 <tasslehoff> koen: trying with mode 4 first.
May 29 11:14:14 <av500> beware greeks bearing gifts
May 29 11:14:30 <panto> what did we do again?
May 29 11:14:36 <av500> nothing
May 29 11:14:40 <mru> yet
May 29 11:14:48 <panto> are you sure? we're always up to no good
May 29 11:15:13 <mru> I guess he meant today
May 29 11:15:31 <panto> ah, ok then
May 29 11:20:44 <cellardoor> Hi again. I'm still enjoying my Arch, but when I plug in USB sticks they are not being recognised, nothing in sudo fdisk -l or lsusb. Doing somethign noobish again?
May 29 11:21:40 <dm8tbr> check dmesg?
May 29 11:24:43 <cellardoor> dm8tbr: I have, nothing there
May 29 11:25:11 <panto> last kernel push had a fix for usb hotplug
May 29 11:25:13 <panto> do you have it?
May 29 11:26:02 <av500> zypper sudo apt get opkg install upgrade --nodeps
May 29 11:34:57 <jackmitchell> cellardoor: what kernel does archlinux arm run? I doubt it will be the very latest, you may need to wait for an update or re-build yourself; I'm sure they have a PKGBUILD you can tweak to get the latest
May 29 11:41:21 <mru> I'd assume the userspace can run on any kernel
May 29 12:01:21 <mastiff_> cellardoor, try powering down and booting with the USB stick and see if it's recognized.
May 29 12:06:14 <thurgood> in order to skip xloader and boot from u=boot, does it need to be named something diffeerent?
May 29 12:06:25 <mru> hm?
May 29 12:06:26 <av500> ???
May 29 12:06:34 <av500> name it MLO
May 29 12:06:40 <av500> rom code boots nothing else
May 29 12:06:43 <av500> from FAT
May 29 12:06:46 <mru> it has to meet the size constraints though
May 29 12:06:58 <mru> that's why the two-stage thing is there in the first place
May 29 12:07:45 <av500> if I ever write ROM code, I will only make it boot files called "something different"
May 29 12:07:46 <thurgood> hmm, koen was suggesting I do that last night..what is the size constraint?
May 29 12:08:01 <av500> 54
May 29 12:08:10 <mru> if you don't need all the bells and whistles of u-boot, you can build it in "falcon mode"
May 29 12:08:11 <thurgood> lol
May 29 12:08:25 <av500> not sure what base though
May 29 12:08:26 <mru> this loads the kernel directly from spl (mlo)
May 29 12:08:45 <av500> and finishes the Kessel run first
May 29 12:10:13 <koen> 32k or something
May 29 12:10:15 * koen forgets
May 29 12:10:21 <koen> every TI socs changes sram size
May 29 12:10:24 <mru> sounds likely
May 29 12:10:40 <koen> some of them have 64k available
May 29 12:10:51 <mru> mlo still needs some working space
May 29 12:10:57 <mru> so you can't use it all for the code
May 29 12:11:06 <koen> you can have a much larger "MLO" if you use if you use the config header
May 29 12:11:10 <koen> but that's cheating
May 29 12:11:13 <av500> mru: you can
May 29 12:11:20 <av500> if you make it enable sdram first
May 29 12:11:25 <av500> then copy itself there
May 29 12:11:28 * koen can't write a normal sentence today
May 29 12:11:34 <mru> av500: does u-boot spl do that?
May 29 12:11:36 <av500> should work with only register access
May 29 12:11:44 <av500> mru: no, but you said MLO
May 29 12:11:53 <mru> gah
May 29 12:11:56 <av500> :)
May 29 12:12:35 <av500> Iäm talking about the HRM, the hypothetical reference MLO
May 29 12:12:38 <av500> I'm
May 29 12:14:12 <av500> koen: we dont talk about config headers here
May 29 12:31:35 <georgem> Kernel Oops isn't a good way to start the day. What have I screwed up now...
May 29 12:32:14 <av500> all of it
May 29 12:32:27 <georgem> yes, probably
May 29 12:32:37 <georgem> delete it and start over with Windows CE instead
May 29 12:32:44 <av500> yes
May 29 12:33:08 <av500> it will run your c# apps much better
May 29 12:33:27 <av500> also, did you consider using ubuntu?
May 29 12:33:37 <panto> I heard unity is excellent
May 29 12:33:48 <panto> not heavy at all
May 29 12:33:53 <panto> just a tad
May 29 12:33:56 <mru> trolls are out in full force today
May 29 12:34:42 <georgem> hehe
May 29 12:35:05 <av500> mru: with the holiday tomorrow, we need to work twice as hard today
May 29 12:35:21 <mru> holiday tomorrow?
May 29 12:35:24 <mru> trolliday?
May 29 12:35:26 <av500> yes
May 29 12:35:48 <av500> "dead man on the cross meets the tooth fairy day" or so
May 29 12:36:52 <georgem> must be systemd and all this new high high fahlootin' linux stuff. Lets port AT&T unix to ARM instead :P
May 29 12:37:06 <av500> +1
May 29 12:37:22 <av500> or the original klingon version
May 29 12:37:43 <av500> where the only signal available was "kill"
May 29 12:37:53 <LetoThe2nd> with shakespeare citations as error messages.
May 29 12:38:37 <georgem> maybe the klingon version introduced killall?
May 29 12:38:47 <mru> LetoThe2nd: EHORSE?
May 29 12:39:07 <LetoThe2nd> ENOTTOBE
May 29 12:39:33 <mru> ESPOT
May 29 12:40:02 <mru> and of course, ECAULDRON
May 29 12:40:05 <LetoThe2nd> EMACBETH :)
May 29 12:41:26 <panto> -ENOKINGDOMORHORSE?
May 29 12:46:42 <SpeedEvil> -EMOREPOWERFULTHANYOUCOULDPOSSIBLYIMAGINE
May 29 12:46:45 <Guser> fiola, you there?
May 29 12:47:50 <fiola> Yup.
May 29 12:48:17 <georgem> Anyone happen to notice new versions of polkit require mozilla javascript libjs. *sigh*
May 29 12:48:27 <Guser> did you write up about those kernel modules needed for the USB network? I think I'll do that now if you havn't
May 29 12:49:07 <fiola> Not had a chance, no.  It was just the 3 I listed I think, unless you found more
May 29 12:49:59 <Guser> I found one more I needed. quite tricky too. I added to many modules at the beggining and they can colide. I'll write a short wiki
May 29 12:50:06 <Guser> *too
May 29 12:50:41 <fiola> Oh, not come across any such issues.  Yeah, you'd better do it then.
May 29 12:57:56 <panto> lunch
May 29 13:19:21 <KotH> panto: already?
May 29 13:19:35 <mru> morning KotH
May 29 13:19:50 <KotH> moin mru
May 29 13:19:53 <KotH> did you sleep well?
May 29 13:20:11 <mru> probably, I don't remember
May 29 13:20:36 <KotH> you shouldnt drink that much, right after waking up
May 29 13:29:55 <cmicali> anyone else see 3-5 second freezes on their BBB?
May 29 13:29:58 <cmicali> i don't see anything in the logs
May 29 13:30:11 <cmicali> but every few minutes, my terminal session freezes for up to 4-5 seconds
May 29 13:30:48 <kfoltman> cmicali: how do you log in, ssh? usb? serial?
May 29 13:30:54 <cmicali> kfoltman: ssh
May 29 13:30:58 <kfoltman> cmicali: network problem?
May 29 13:31:17 <cmicali> kfoltman: maybe?  if i have multiple sessions, during the freeze other sessions are not frozen
May 29 13:31:19 <kfoltman> cmicali: also, does top say anything interesting? does setting the CPU frequency governor to performance via cpufreq-set change anything?
May 29 13:31:35 <cmicali> kfoltman: i changed it to pert, no change, and nothing smoking in top
May 29 13:31:51 <cmicali> s/pert/perf
May 29 13:32:03 <cmicali> really odd
May 29 13:32:35 <kfoltman> cmicali: does it affect the shell only or everything?
May 29 13:32:52 <cmicali> kfoltman: everything running in that session, so any running program gets blocked
May 29 13:35:34 <fiola> Run mtr from another host to the BBB and see if the nice regular scan gets blocked or shows packet loss when that occurs, to see if the issue is in kernel or user space.  If it's scheduling, should have no effect on mtr's traceroute-like packets.
May 29 13:36:26 <cmicali> fiola: good idea, trying
May 29 13:38:53 <fiola> If you run mtr on the BBB itself, that might be interesting too, although probably too many variables involved then to conclude anything.
May 29 13:41:37 <fiola> Can't see mtr in opkg list anyway.
May 29 13:41:56 <cmicali> so far no loss, but of course now that i'm doing this i'm not seeing the freeze
May 29 13:42:00 <kfoltman> maybe something cgroup related, but I've really ran out of ideas
May 29 13:42:12 <fiola> cmicali: Haha, sod's law :P
May 29 13:42:18 <cmicali> heisenbug
May 29 13:42:40 <kfoltman> cmicali: write a small program that will while(1) { print current time with 100 ms precision; wait 100 ms }
May 29 13:43:28 <Rickta59> once had a user complain the our application was locking up ... they were pressing some alt + not a menu item key , flew to their location to see this behaviour .. wasted a day
May 29 13:43:43 <fiola> That's actually a good idea if you know how to feed it into R or some other stats processing thing.  Would be very interesting to see the time scatter.
May 29 13:45:01 <Guser> fiola, I wrote the wiki, do you have any idea where I should place it at elinux.org wiki? I cant find a relevant page to paste my troubleshooting tutorial..
May 29 13:45:18 <fiola> Guser:  woot, you're a star!
May 29 13:45:31 <fiola> Dunno, what did you title it?
May 29 13:46:02 <Guser> Troubleshooting "USB networking not available (192.168.7.2 not accessible)"
May 29 13:46:13 <Guser> ^ catchy name ;)
May 29 13:46:25 <fiola> Haha
May 29 13:46:34 <panto> cmicali, root on mmc?
May 29 13:46:40 <cmicali> panto: yup
May 29 13:47:12 <kfoltman> the interesting bit is that it stalls a specific session, not all of them at the same time
May 29 13:47:16 <cmicali> panto: is that expected?
May 29 13:47:40 <panto> I think that's systemd journal
May 29 13:47:47 <panto> try to do a top
May 29 13:48:13 <fiola> Guser: Your page could be made into a more general help page about USB networking, instead of a specific troubleshooting page, if you simple titled it "BBB USB Networking", or something like that.
May 29 13:48:23 <fiola> simply*
May 29 13:48:47 <cmicali> panto: systems-journal is near the top on total cputime, but it's not huge
May 29 13:49:04 * jkridner suggests spelling out BeagleBoneBlack
May 29 13:49:15 <panto> try to see if it spikes when the stutter happens
May 29 13:49:18 <Guser> Will do. I'll add reference at the main beaglebone page then
May 29 13:49:18 <beagle1> my beagleboard rev.c3 is getting heated up as soon as powered up and not booting at all..
May 29 13:49:28 <beagle1> any suggestion?
May 29 13:50:05 <cmicali> panto: if it does, any recommendations?  make it journal to tmpfs?
May 29 13:50:18 <beagle1> i need help
May 29 13:50:28 <panto> cmicali, probably
May 29 13:50:29 <jkridner> beagle1: have you reimaged it?
May 29 13:50:34 <fiola> jkridner: Oh, yeah, definitely better.  Abbreviations shouldn't really be in page names, instead one should create redirects from the abbreviations to the full name.  Well spotted.
May 29 13:50:46 <panto> there are things to do to make the build more embedded friendly
May 29 13:50:50 <beagle1> no
May 29 13:51:05 <panto> but they might interfere with what a normal linux distro user expects
May 29 13:51:07 <Crofton> I am lookinga at a slide using vlc to send video ove hte air via gnuradio
May 29 13:51:19 <kfoltman> what's the point of journal on tmpfs?
May 29 13:51:23 <mru> wtf
May 29 13:51:30 <jkridner> beagle1: do you have a windows or other host?
May 29 13:51:41 <jkridner> beagle1: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoard#BeagleBoard_Rev_C4.2FC5_Reflashing_Procedure is the procedure for reimaging.
May 29 13:51:43 <kfoltman> wouldn't you get the same just switching journaling off?
May 29 13:51:45 <beagle1> <jkridner>when i tried to interface with gpio smething happened and a burnt smell came..as soon as i smelt it i switched it off
May 29 13:52:06 <beagle1> now if i power it up,it is getting heated up
May 29 13:52:14 <cmicali> kfoltman: i suppose so you can at least inspect the journal while it's running
May 29 13:52:36 <kfoltman> cmicali: journal as in systemd journal, not filesystem journal?
May 29 13:52:44 <beagle1> i am using ubuntu
May 29 13:52:45 <cmicali> kfoltman: yeah, systems journal (terrible name)
May 29 13:52:49 <jkridner> beagle1: yikes. could be fried.  http://beagleboard.org/support/rma  <-- though if it is fried by user error, you might need to pay for all repairs.
May 29 13:52:50 <cmicali> s/systems/systemd
May 29 13:52:55 <kfoltman> terrible systemd ;)
May 29 13:53:06 <jkridner> beagle1: could be cheaper to replace.
May 29 13:53:08 <panto> I'm not that crazy about it either
May 29 13:53:30 <beagle1> so i have to replace the whole board?
May 29 13:53:34 <cmicali> this is my first exposure to it, i'm not loving it
May 29 13:53:55 <jkridner> beagle1: the RMA guys can repair just what fried.... but that could be as expensive.
May 29 13:54:06 <jkridner> +shipping
May 29 13:54:07 <cmicali> but init really needed an upgrade
May 29 13:54:08 <fiola> That's the great thing about BBB, at that price we can fry them with abandon and returns for repair would be pointless :P
May 29 13:54:14 <beagle1> ok
May 29 13:54:16 <beagle1> so what is its present cost if i need to replace
May 29 13:54:19 <beagle1> ?
May 29 13:54:29 <jkridner> $125 for BeagleBoard at most places.
May 29 13:54:44 <jkridner> $45 is the BeagleBone Black price at most places.
May 29 13:54:54 * jkridner sees them show up on Amazon at $42 frequently.
May 29 13:55:35 <jkridner> but, it misses the DSP... otherwise better pretty much all around.  Software not the same though.
May 29 13:56:26 <fiola> jkridner:  similar in UK, the net price of BBB is quoted in some places as less than the $45 to sterling conversion.
May 29 13:56:38 <fiola> Although we have the dreaded VAT :-(
May 29 13:56:43 <jkridner> :(
May 29 13:58:14 <mdp> heh
May 29 14:01:42 <KotH> .o0(jihad)
May 29 14:02:41 <Guser> fiola: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Usb_Networking
May 29 14:03:32 <fiola> Guser: great!  (reading)
May 29 14:05:47 <fiola> Excellent, except for using "ifconfig", lol.  Really really don't want to encourage continued use of that :P
May 29 14:06:02 <fiola> ip addr ls
May 29 14:06:10 <Humpelstilzchen> ifconfig is easier
May 29 14:06:30 <Humpelstilzchen> much easier
May 29 14:07:20 <ogra_> ++
May 29 14:07:22 <fiola> Humpelstilzchen: It's broken and will never work with IPv6, and is being deprecated everywhere.  So "easier" is kind of academic.  It won't exist at all in due course.
May 29 14:07:54 <fiola> So encouraging people to use the broken utility instead of getting used to its successor is bad practice.
May 29 14:08:01 <mru> _nothing_ is easier with ifconfig
May 29 14:08:04 <Humpelstilzchen> fiola: ifconfig does the job of displaying the ipv6 addr for me
May 29 14:08:17 <mru> so does ip addr
May 29 14:08:20 <Humpelstilzchen> srsly no ones wants to type 3 words only to get an ip address
May 29 14:08:23 <Jacmet> fiola: I doubt it will disappear soon, we still carry around /bin/ed nowadays
May 29 14:08:34 <fiola> And so does iproute2
May 29 14:09:00 <Guser> lol fiola, I knew you'd say that :) fixing it now
May 29 14:09:04 <mru> 'ip addr' is shorter than 'ifconfig'
May 29 14:09:16 <ynezz> autocomplete doesnt work...
May 29 14:09:23 <ynezz> ifc<tab>
May 29 14:09:27 <ynezz> :)
May 29 14:09:27 <kfoltman> ifco<tab>
May 29 14:09:28 <ogra_> ifconfig wont go away for quite a while ... unless all distros fix all possible bits that rely on its output
May 29 14:09:44 <Guser> that will take a while ogra
May 29 14:09:49 <ogra_> yeah
May 29 14:10:04 <fiola> Look, ifconfig is a broken utility.  You wanna use it?  Fine.  But you've been told.
May 29 14:10:12 <ynezz> it works for me
May 29 14:10:15 <ynezz> (tm)
May 29 14:10:28 <ogra_> obsoleting somthing all distros use with lots of weird more or less hackish scripts can take quite long
May 29 14:10:36 <Guser> another option is to make ip compatible with the ifconfig syntax and to link ip to ifconfig
May 29 14:10:42 <ynezz> then user applications...
May 29 14:10:48 <mru> Guser: ugh
May 29 14:10:50 <Guser> lol
May 29 14:10:56 <mru> the ifconfig syntax is _broken_
May 29 14:11:22 <Guser> it grew on me quite nicely over the years
May 29 14:11:22 <ogra_> ln -s /bin/sh /bin/cmd.exe
May 29 14:11:24 <ogra_> :P
May 29 14:11:38 <Guser> ogra_: eww
May 29 14:11:40 <ogra_> so your syntax is more familiar
May 29 14:11:41 <ynezz> well, cmd is broken
May 29 14:13:05 <Guser> fixed
May 29 14:13:06 <fiola> We've all grown accustomed to ifconfig, and yes, it's painful to relearn something that entered muscle memory.  But you need to do it, and far better earlier than later because iproute2 is so much more poowerful, as well as elegant.  You'll never look back once you know it.  And conversely, by not knowing it, you'll never look forward and be able to do the new things it can do.
May 29 14:13:14 <KotH> ogra_: ip has been around for >10 years
May 29 14:13:15 <fiola> So it's to your benefit to relearn.
May 29 14:13:40 <ogra_> KotH, yeah, and i use itt frequently ... but that doesnt fix the distros
May 29 14:13:42 <KotH> ogra_: maybe even >14y
May 29 14:13:54 <KotH> ogra_: you cant fix people
May 29 14:14:08 <ogra_> as long as scripts and tools make use of ifconfig it wont go away
May 29 14:14:08 <KotH> ogra_: unles you use a lot of fast traveling lead
May 29 14:14:26 <ogra_> KotH, you can fix distros ... but its a matter of costs
May 29 14:14:34 <KotH> cost of what?
May 29 14:14:38 <KotH> distros dont cost anything
May 29 14:14:44 <ogra_> such a transition needs a lot of manpower ...
May 29 14:14:47 <KotH> the good ones don't pay their developers either
May 29 14:14:48 <Guser> KotH: are you suggesting we should shoot the script writers who use ifconfig? :-\
May 29 14:14:48 <kfoltman> cost of fast traveling lead ;)
May 29 14:14:51 <av500> defending ifconfig is like defending sysvinit
May 29 14:14:58 <mru> av500: nice
May 29 14:15:06 * ogra_ isnt definding ... 
May 29 14:15:12 <KotH> Guser: it would have an effect on the IQ of the general population
May 29 14:15:15 <ogra_> *defending either
May 29 14:15:28 <mru> "defind", is that some kind of newspeak for "lose"?
May 29 14:15:29 <ogra_> but its unrealistic to think it will go away soon
May 29 14:15:43 <mru> so leave it there for old scripts
May 29 14:15:50 <fiola> The distros are moving to iproute2, if for no other reason than because ifconfig doesn't work with IPv6.  It's completely inevitable, because no networking people want to work with a broken IP utility.
May 29 14:15:50 <mru> but don't speak of it
May 29 14:15:52 <Humpelstilzchen> av500: You reallywant systemd?
May 29 14:15:52 <Guser> KotH: for the worse. on avrage.
May 29 14:15:56 <ogra_> thats what everyne does apparently
May 29 14:16:20 <ynezz> Humpelstilzchen: word systemd is forbidden here, now please leave the building
May 29 14:16:24 <ogra_> but if it is there anyway, you can as well point users to it (additionally to almost every doc out there in the wild)
May 29 14:16:31 <mru> NO
May 29 14:16:42 <ogra_> Humpelstilzchen, there are a lot other init systems
May 29 14:16:43 <mru> new users should be taught the right way
May 29 14:16:50 <fiola> mru++
May 29 14:16:52 <av500> Humpelstilzchen: I dont care, the rcfoo calls still work :)
May 29 14:16:54 <ogra_> mru, then fix the internet
May 29 14:17:02 <av500> 386
May 29 14:17:04 <ogra_> or stop pointing people with questions to google
May 29 14:17:08 <Humpelstilzchen> ogra_: but there is udev..
May 29 14:17:22 <ogra_> what does udev have to do with init ?
May 29 14:17:23 <Guser> I agree
May 29 14:17:32 <mru> gets() is still in the C standard, but we don't tell people to use that
May 29 14:17:39 <av500> not?
May 29 14:17:45 <ynezz> I use only that
May 29 14:17:59 <Guser> I will use my broken ifconfig 'till it will work no more. let me be. teach the young ones this new spell called "ip" if you like, that doesn't bother me.
May 29 14:18:25 * KotH bothers Guser 
May 29 14:18:28 <mru> ogra_: systemd ate udev
May 29 14:18:34 <Humpelstilzchen> ogra_: The fear is that since udev is now part of systemd is that it will rely on it
May 29 14:18:38 <ogra_> mru, it didnt :)
May 29 14:18:40 * Guser is bothered
May 29 14:18:44 <mru> Guser: I'm saying ifconfig _already_ doesn't work
May 29 14:18:53 <Guser> mru: works great for me
May 29 14:18:55 <KotH> Humpelstilzchen: udev already relies on systemd
May 29 14:18:56 <mru> it can't do ipv6
May 29 14:19:02 <mru> it can't do multiple addresses per interface
May 29 14:19:09 <ynezz> it can
May 29 14:19:10 <Guser> mru: who needs ipv6? i dont even have it compiled in my kernel
May 29 14:19:14 <mru> it can't do proper routing
May 29 14:19:16 <ynezz> ifconfig eth0:1 works
May 29 14:19:17 <ynezz> :p
May 29 14:19:18 <Humpelstilzchen> KotH: I use debian..I'm a little behind
May 29 14:19:24 <mru> ynezz: that's fundamentally flawed
May 29 14:19:35 <ynezz> but works, so I don't care
May 29 14:19:35 <KotH> Humpelstilzchen: i wonder what debian will do now the freeze is over
May 29 14:19:36 <Guser> mru: there's route for that
May 29 14:19:44 <mru> Guser: it's equally broken
May 29 14:19:50 <mru> iproute2 is structured the way actual networks are
May 29 14:19:56 <Guser> mru: again, works great for me
May 29 14:20:00 <KotH> Humpelstilzchen: whatever debian chooses, it will decide wether systemd will survive or not
May 29 14:20:04 <av500> mru: you mean wires everywhere?
May 29 14:20:13 <av500> KotH: lol
May 29 14:20:17 <ogra_> mru, just because systemds tree swallowed udevs .that doesnt mean systemd swallowed udev :)
May 29 14:20:29 <mru> oh but it did
May 29 14:20:41 <ogra_> else gentoo, debian and ubuntu would not work anymore :)
May 29 14:20:47 <mru> I'm still using udev-171
May 29 14:20:50 <av500> KotH: its too late for that
May 29 14:20:51 <mru> the later ones don't work
May 29 14:20:57 <fiola> Guser: Do you realize that you have only a partial view of the Internet then?  Because other regions of the world ran out of IPv4 addresses a while back, and all new allocations are being made on IPv6.  So, you are progressively seeing a smaller and smaller fraction of the net.
May 29 14:21:01 <Guser> i love how 'ifconfig' starts an argument in any linux community... such a vibrant discussion!
May 29 14:21:25 <av500> fiola: you mean I clock on links on the web and they dont work?
May 29 14:21:29 <av500> I click*
May 29 14:21:31 <KotH> av500: think about it: when debian decides systemd is no good, they will choose soemthing else. and suddenly most of the linux users (debian+ubuntu) are using something else.... a couple of years down the roead fedora and suse will follow the lead
May 29 14:21:39 <kfoltman> fiola: so IPv4 is a way of fighting the eternal September? (-:
May 29 14:21:47 <av500> +1
May 29 14:21:50 <mru> KotH: you overestimate the importance of debian
May 29 14:21:53 <av500> +1
May 29 14:21:54 <ogra_> mru, udev 202 here ... works fine with upstart
May 29 14:22:19 <Humpelstilzchen> KotH: debian maintainers are not happy to maintain a separate udev..
May 29 14:22:22 <Guser> fiola: I have yet to find a page or a server that did not support ipv4
May 29 14:22:23 <fiola> av500: Not just web, all Internet services.
May 29 14:22:24 <KotH> what happend to eudev after the fosdem desaster?
May 29 14:22:33 <av500> nothing
May 29 14:22:38 <mru> they got bullied into oblivion
May 29 14:22:54 <av500> they asked forit
May 29 14:23:01 <KotH> mru: well...their performance was... worse than lennarts
May 29 14:23:05 <fiola> Guser: well of course you haven't found a page that's on IPv6 only.  You're cut off from them.
May 29 14:23:08 <mru> av500: perhaps
May 29 14:23:17 <mru> but the bullying started before that
May 29 14:23:31 <Guser> fiola: you mean google and such are hiding results on ipv6 addresses from me?
May 29 14:23:34 <KotH> mru: they had no clue what they wanted to acheive, didnt know how to get there and left generally a very bad impression
May 29 14:23:47 <Humpelstilzchen> 16:23:01 < KotH> mru: well...their performance was... worse than lennarts <--impossible!
May 29 14:23:51 <mru> KotH: I know that
May 29 14:23:56 <av500> Humpelstilzchen: possible
May 29 14:24:02 <mru> they were the wrong people for the task
May 29 14:24:04 <av500> I've seen it
May 29 14:24:09 <mru> doesn't mean the task itself was wrong
May 29 14:24:17 <KotH> mru: definitly not
May 29 14:24:31 <mru> this is a case where shooting the messenger would have been the right thing
May 29 14:24:41 <KotH> mru: just... they took the spot of others who would have done the right thing.. and now the barrier for forking udev is even higher
May 29 14:25:02 <mru> now anyone thinking along those lines knows what he'll be up against
May 29 14:25:07 <mru> and think again
May 29 14:25:08 * KotH takes the square root of prp^2 
May 29 14:25:08 <fiola> Guser: it returns domain names in searches, and DNS resolves those with whatever info it can.  If your system only requests A records because you don't have IPv6, then you'll never receive AAAA records.
May 29 14:25:23 * av500 has AAA rating
May 29 14:25:31 <fiola> lol
May 29 14:25:35 <mru> av500: ipv5?
May 29 14:25:42 <av500> ofcourse
May 29 14:25:45 <av500> ipav5
May 29 14:25:57 <mru> ipa is nice
May 29 14:25:57 <KotH> not ipav500?
May 29 14:26:00 <ka6sox-away> mourning
May 29 14:26:13 * KotH mourns with ka6sox-maybehere
May 29 14:26:37 <KotH> ka6sox: how was/is your jihad morning?
May 29 14:27:00 <fiola> Anyway, getting seriously off-topic to debate IPv6 here.  The point is, ifconfig can't handle it, and that's why it's being deprecated all over.  And since BBB runs IPv6 perfectly, the tools you use should work with IPv6 too.
May 29 14:27:24 <KotH> fiola: you can't be off topic in #beagle
May 29 14:27:28 <fiola> Haha
May 29 14:27:31 <Guser> fiola: I know what I'm doing is wrong, and I know it _will_ effect me some day. but for now I'm good with Ifconfig. I do appreciate your efforts to convince me to chance and I probably will pretty soon. teach the young ones, they're the future.
May 29 14:27:32 <fiola> I noticed :P
May 29 14:27:34 <KotH> fiola: or rather, you cannot be on-topic in #beagle
May 29 14:27:43 <Guser> *change
May 29 14:27:54 <ka6sox> KotH, its missing chocolate
May 29 14:27:59 <av500> KotH: you could ask for  serial logs on a BB classic
May 29 14:28:04 <av500> that would be ontopic
May 29 14:28:06 <fiola> Guser: fair enough :-)
May 29 14:28:06 <KotH> ka6sox: well... if you could come over, i could solve that for you
May 29 14:28:14 <Guser> offtopic disscutions keep the community going!
May 29 14:28:26 <ka6sox> KotH, Wife wants me to!
May 29 14:28:34 <KotH> ka6sox: so, what do you wait for?
May 29 14:28:43 <ka6sox> October it seems
May 29 14:28:44 <mru> av500: remember all the guys who crossed the streams on the classic's serial header?
May 29 14:28:44 <Guser> *discussions
May 29 14:28:51 <av500> mru: yep
May 29 14:29:03 <KotH> crossing streams?
May 29 14:29:13 <KotH> didnt those people watch ghost busters?
May 29 14:29:16 <av500> KotH: 1:1 vs nullmodem
May 29 14:29:29 <mru> there was more to it than that
May 29 14:29:32 <av500> actually it was people on XM that insisted on using nullmodem
May 29 14:29:42 <KotH> eh..
May 29 14:29:44 <av500> yes, classic was AT vs exerex
May 29 14:29:48 * KotH shakes head
May 29 14:29:51 <av500> everex or whatever
May 29 14:30:00 <ka6sox> the next BBB "Brick" needs serial console log too...
May 29 14:30:00 <fiola> Guser: Anyway, excellent page :-))))
May 29 14:30:05 <KotH> ka6sox: october is still a long way to go
May 29 14:30:06 <av500> two different 10pin serial layouts
May 29 14:30:12 <ka6sox> KotH, too lonbg
May 29 14:30:20 <ka6sox> er long...(not enough coffee)
May 29 14:30:23 <av500> Guser: what page?
May 29 14:30:25 <mru> wrong header + null modem resulted in one data line being connected
May 29 14:30:51 <av500> yep
May 29 14:31:00 <av500> so people saw logs
May 29 14:31:01 <mru> so two wrongs make half a right
May 29 14:31:06 <av500> but could not write to it
May 29 14:31:18 <Guser> av500: http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Usb_Networking
May 29 14:31:20 <KotH> meh... i havent done anything usefull the whole day... and now that i have time to do something usefull, i dont feel like doing anything
May 29 14:31:27 <Guser> fiola: thank you :)
May 29 14:31:46 <koen> KotH: same here
May 29 14:31:51 <Guser> I added reference at the beaglebone subpages
May 29 14:31:58 <mru> I've done a few possibly useful things, though not what the boss wants
May 29 14:31:58 <av500> Guser: why not ifconfig?
May 29 14:32:02 <Guser> ROFL
May 29 14:32:33 * Guser shrugs
May 29 14:32:34 <KotH> koen: shall we go out and have a coffee?
May 29 14:32:47 <av500> +1
May 29 14:33:42 <koen> KotH: yes!
May 29 14:34:11 <KotH> koen: so, jump into a plane and come over! i know a good cafe overhere!
May 29 14:34:23 <KotH> http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-05-29/ <- MUAHAHAHA
May 29 14:35:18 <av500> i'll remember that for GSoC mentoring
May 29 14:35:36 * mru drives a steak through av500 
May 29 14:35:53 * kfoltman catches the steak and eats it before it gets to av500... VERY hungry
May 29 14:36:04 <kfoltman> all day on office biscuits :(
May 29 14:36:14 <Guser> mru: av500 is just a bunch of digital letters, you cant drive anything though that
May 29 14:36:25 * dm8tbr has to make do with subway sandwich catering at this open data presentation
May 29 14:36:47 <dm8tbr> Guser: but his video playback capabilities are still superior
May 29 14:36:57 <mru> the hotel I was at in berlin was connected to a restaurant serving 60-euro steaks
May 29 14:37:01 <mru> I did not eat there
May 29 14:37:13 <kfoltman> dm8tbr: maybe we can get him to tell us how to make a home theatre with OMAP ;)
May 29 14:37:17 <Guser> mru: why not?
May 29 14:37:23 <av500> kfoltman: lol
May 29 14:37:30 <mru> 60 euros is a lot of money for a steak in my opinion
May 29 14:37:34 <dm8tbr> kfoltman: I believe he did that several times...
May 29 14:37:41 <Guser> depends on the steak in my opinion
May 29 14:37:48 <KotH> mru: if it is company paid....
May 29 14:37:49 <Guser> (still a lot of money)
May 29 14:38:01 <mru> KotH: it wasn't
May 29 14:38:03 <av500> maybe it's 5" thick
May 29 14:38:11 <mru> and I wasn't trying to impress anyone either
May 29 14:38:13 <mru> so no point
May 29 14:38:43 <dm8tbr> and it might not even have been worth the price
May 29 14:38:44 <Guser> hmm, I eat steaks to impress my taste buds. but its your call I guess
May 29 14:38:52 <dm8tbr> "schlechtes muss nicht billig sein"
May 29 14:39:00 <mru> dm8tbr: it would have to be a _very_ good one
May 29 14:39:16 <dm8tbr> hand massaged kobe etc
May 29 14:39:20 <panto> mdp, av500, ka6sox, update of the doc: http://hastebin.com/raw/pujatalewe
May 29 14:39:22 <Guser> mmmmm
May 29 14:39:24 <mru> I saw people eating there, it can't have been all that bad
May 29 14:39:54 <Guser> from steaks to configuring rfid antenas. such is the life of the board developer... later!
May 29 14:39:58 <ogra_> you clearly need a salary raise
May 29 14:39:59 <KotH> mru: i know from experience that a lot of people do not have any sense of taste
May 29 14:40:04 <mru> hotel was nice, and apparently it was the same owner
May 29 14:40:11 <ogra_> so you stop caring about steak prices
May 29 14:40:22 <Guser> ^+1
May 29 14:40:28 <mru> tell my boss
May 29 14:40:48 <ka6sox> panto, sorry...earthquake here...looking for damage
May 29 14:40:49 <KotH> ogra_: the amount of money i would need until i stop caring about steak prices is very high
May 29 14:40:56 <panto> ka6sox, wut?
May 29 14:40:58 <KotH> ka6sox: how strong?
May 29 14:40:59 <mru> the evil man did negatively affect my last raise
May 29 14:41:00 <panto> stay safe
May 29 14:41:11 <Guser> ka6sox: didn't you have a bushfire too a few days ago? where do you live?
May 29 14:41:13 <mdp> it seems like BBB could be applied in some way to this steak-price problem
May 29 14:41:22 <KotH> Guser: at the edge of mordor
May 29 14:41:23 <ogra_> mru, get a better boss then
May 29 14:41:25 <mru> Guser: california of course
May 29 14:41:41 <Guser> KotH: still better than here...
May 29 14:41:44 <mru> ogra_: I'm slowly working on that
May 29 14:41:51 <ogra_> :)
May 29 14:42:11 <KotH> Guser: well..
May 29 14:42:12 <kfoltman> damn, looks like instead of going home to redo a botched PCB design I'll have to go and eat some steak (10 euro, not 60, though)
May 29 14:42:15 <mru> for now, the amount they pay for the amount of work I do is decent
May 29 14:42:23 <KotH> Guser: i think .il is more democratic than the us
May 29 14:42:25 <mru> it's amazing how little work you can get away with at a company
May 29 14:42:27 <KotH> Guser: but not buy much
May 29 14:42:48 <KotH> mru: the bigger the company, the less work you have to do
May 29 14:43:03 <Guser> KotH: maybe, but we have other issues
May 29 14:43:30 <KotH> Guser: yeah.. but at least you dont run around and kill people... at least not worldwide
May 29 14:43:51 <Guser> KotH: sometimes... :P
May 29 14:44:07 <KotH> Guser: oh..
May 29 14:44:15 <kfoltman> (*) Iranian nuclear scientists not included in the offer
May 29 14:44:16 <KotH> Guser: could you send the mosad to kill erdogan? thanks!
May 29 14:44:17 <Guser> KotH: but only to retaliate.
May 29 14:44:41 <Guser> KotH: meh, I hate that guy so much... dont get me started
May 29 14:44:58 <KotH> Guser: "retiliate" can have very different meanings
May 29 14:45:01 <ka6sox> Guser, yes...still going
May 29 14:45:07 <KotH> Guser: me too.. me too...
May 29 14:45:10 <KotH> Guser: and i'm turkish...
May 29 14:45:14 <ka6sox> and it was a 4.9 just now...but HERE instead of down south
May 29 14:45:32 <KotH> ka6sox: ah.. so not too heavy
May 29 14:45:50 <ka6sox> ya it was a shaker...not a roller
May 29 14:45:51 <Guser> KotH: I love turkey, been there twice. but not under the current regime.
May 29 14:46:10 <KotH> ka6sox: i've had a couple of 5's when i was in .jp.. not all of them were pleasant
May 29 14:46:19 <kfoltman> any suggestions for an audio dac, i2s input, min. 48 kHz, preferably DIL?
May 29 14:46:20 <Guser> KotH: turkish food... mmmm
May 29 14:46:37 <KotH> kfoltman: search in a different universe
May 29 14:46:49 <KotH> kfoltman: there aint no dill components of that kind
May 29 14:46:55 <Guser> way off topic... anyways, I'm off for now
May 29 14:46:59 <KotH> dill... i'm hungry it seems
May 29 14:47:43 <kfoltman> KotH: ok, or at least something that can be soldered at home without superpowers
May 29 14:48:52 <KotH> kfoltman: anything with pins facing outwards is fine
May 29 14:49:00 <KotH> kfoltman: and you should be find some qfp stuff
May 29 14:49:14 <KotH> kfoltman: just use the power of mouser and digikey
May 29 14:50:12 <KotH> koen: i'm leaving now... care to join? :)
May 29 14:51:02 <ka6sox> KotH, what kind of Coffee?
May 29 14:52:08 <KotH> ka6sox: turkish
May 29 14:52:36 <panto> *cough*
May 29 14:53:12 <ka6sox> okay...okay...I'm up...you can stop shaking now.
May 29 14:53:19 <KotH> panto: you can have your greek rip-off if you want...but keep it for yourself!
May 29 14:53:49 <ka6sox> I'm having some of Juan Valdez's best.
May 29 14:54:05 <KotH> cya later boys!
May 29 14:54:15 <ka6sox> happy JIHAD!
May 29 14:59:23 <mastiff_> Where to look for programming BBB GPIO in C?  Found a few youtube vids.
May 29 15:00:57 <av500> yeah
May 29 15:01:07 <av500> YT is the fitst choice for all programming questions
May 29 15:01:10 <av500> first
May 29 15:01:33 <mru> second is wikipedia
May 29 15:02:01 <jackmitchell> ah man, can someone write an out of date blog post answering this question so I can just paste it every 10 minutes
May 29 15:03:19 <mastiff_> There are a few threads on the forum but didn't see much.  One of the links was busted.
May 29 15:03:22 <jackmitchell> mastiff_: http://www.auctoris.co.uk/2012/08/23/gpio-with-sysfs-on-raspberry-pi-part-2/ should be fairly similar to the BBB
May 29 15:04:07 <jackmitchell> it's literally opening and closing files and writing files in C, that's all there is too it
May 29 15:04:38 <Rickta59> what kind of toggling speed might you get out of that?
May 29 15:05:00 <jackmitchell> few hundred hz if you're lucky#
May 29 15:05:04 <panto> please don't do that then
May 29 15:05:28 <panto> write a driver if you have to toggle GPIOs fast
May 29 15:05:29 <Rickta59> didn't seem to useful to me other than for slow relay type thing
May 29 15:05:56 <jackmitchell> it's useful for toggling I/O on the fly, not for writing device drivers really
May 29 15:05:57 <Rickta59> it was just a question not a statement i was going to use it
May 29 15:06:27 <Rickta59> i assumed to do anything real you need to write a driver or use PRU
May 29 15:06:51 <mdp> "The userspace API is not recommended for applications with low latency requirements."
May 29 15:06:52 <jackmitchell> yeah kind of, it all depends how complex and the latency required
May 29 15:06:58 <mastiff_> I was looking for C alternative to using the bonescript stuff for simple arduino type tasks.
May 29 15:07:23 * mdp attempts to write a categorical statement about gpio sysfs api
May 29 15:07:29 <Rickta59> arduino covers a wide range mastiff_
May 29 15:08:01 <mdp> Rickta59, high latency applications are "real"
May 29 15:08:10 <panto> oh yeah
May 29 15:08:32 <panto> most of the simple IO apps are well served with that 'slow' API
May 29 15:08:33 <av500> between PRU and using write and read is a wide field
May 29 15:08:35 <mru> they can even be realtime
May 29 15:08:42 <Rickta59> sorry .. i'm thinking about how i would use a BBB to drive a ws2811 .. using read/write on a file system didn't seem like it would make it real
May 29 15:09:03 <panto> Rickta59, there are hardware SPI blocks that go really really fast
May 29 15:09:23 <Rickta59> can you drive them so they don't have lapses in the data from user space?
May 29 15:09:28 <av500> Rickta59: yeah ws2811 is a PRU thing
May 29 15:09:34 <av500> or maybe SPI
May 29 15:09:40 <Rickta59> or lapes less than 50usec
May 29 15:09:44 <panto> there is an example of driving an 1.8" TFT SPI display at full refresh rate
May 29 15:09:47 <av500> panto: not sure SPI can do WS2811
May 29 15:09:54 <panto> Rickta59, if you need that, PRU is needed
May 29 15:10:11 <av500> panto: can SPI do bytes back to back?
May 29 15:10:22 <mdp> panto, that doesn't have the latency requirements that a ws2811 has
May 29 15:10:26 <av500> as in no gap between data bytes?
May 29 15:10:29 <mdp> it's like dmx stuff
May 29 15:10:44 <av500> if SPI was gapless it might work
May 29 15:10:46 <mdp> av500, within a transfer, yes
May 29 15:10:47 <jackmitchell> supposedly with chained dma, right? I have no clue how to get on that though
May 29 15:10:56 <Rickta59> yeah i asked that question the other day .. no one responded
May 29 15:11:15 <av500> mdp: ok
May 29 15:11:22 <av500> not sure you need chained
May 29 15:11:37 <av500> just one long transfer might be enough
May 29 15:11:41 <mdp> av500, I have a trace sitting around with 40KiB sent by mcspi with no gap to the st7735 controller
May 29 15:11:47 <mdp> from the fbdev driver
May 29 15:11:49 <av500> ok
May 29 15:11:53 <jackmitchell> is that not how you would make it gapless, as the gap is due to dma setup?
May 29 15:11:56 <av500> then ws2811 should be doable
May 29 15:12:03 <av500> jackmitchell: gap between bytes
May 29 15:12:09 <av500> not between transfers
May 29 15:12:11 <Rickta59> i see that paul stoffergens approach was to use his teensy board but that could be more a vehicle for selling the board more than capabilities lacking in the BBB
May 29 15:12:14 <mdp> you can also look at abusing mcasp
May 29 15:12:19 <av500> or that
May 29 15:12:21 * jackmitchell backs out :)
May 29 15:12:21 <av500> right
May 29 15:12:25 <panto> mdp, +1
May 29 15:12:51 <mdp> am335x is loaded with serializers ;)
May 29 15:12:53 <av500> all you need is to be able to output a bitpattern at a given rate
May 29 15:13:02 <kfoltman> Rickta59: well, one justification for using teensy would be to protect BBB pins from being accidentally exposed to +5V, I suppose?
May 29 15:13:16 <Rickta59> i think it is more economics
May 29 15:13:26 <av500> I keep saying, add an arduino as a level shifter :)
May 29 15:14:45 <av500> mdp: I remember DM6441 that had a gap of one byte per byte or so
May 29 15:14:59 <av500> because the SPI engine could not load the next byte while sending one....
May 29 15:15:10 <av500> effectively halving the SPI bandwidth
May 29 15:15:30 <Rickta59> sounds like fdbdev is worth looking at
May 29 15:16:00 <av500> Rickta59: it justs sets up SPI transfers
May 29 15:16:48 <av500> Rickta59: did you see the 3x PWM approach to WS2811
May 29 15:16:58 <Rickta59> i have not, link?
May 29 15:17:01 <mdp> av500, I see, must have gotten fixed, I definitely confirmed full bit rate on am335x
May 29 15:17:17 <av500> Rickta59: http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/td_libs_OctoWS2811.html
May 29 15:17:22 <av500> ah the teensy stuff
May 29 15:17:27 <av500> mdp: good
May 29 15:18:58 <Rickta59> thanks av500 .. i hadn't actually looked at the implementation just the video
May 29 15:19:29 <av500> ah
May 29 15:19:34 <av500> I dont look at videos :)
May 29 15:20:19 <mdp> you already know what leds look like?
May 29 15:21:45 <av500> yes
May 29 15:21:47 <av500> I think
May 29 15:21:51 <av500> they are red
May 29 15:21:55 <av500> one leg is longer
May 29 15:22:30 <mdp> spoken like somebody from the throughhole generation...good..good!
May 29 15:22:40 <av500> yes, and they are 5mm
May 29 15:22:49 <av500> not these newfangled 3mm ones
May 29 15:22:56 <mdp> heh...big enough for aging eyes
May 29 15:23:20 <mru> and the bottom rim has a flat bit by the short pin
May 29 15:23:45 <mdp> can we just see the damn video?
May 29 15:23:57 <av500> mru: yes
May 29 15:24:11 <mru> unless a troll has trimmed the leads carefully
May 29 15:24:33 <av500> you can still see the larger thing inside
May 29 15:24:58 <av500> a real troll would trim the legs, sand off the rim and sand the body to make it opaque
May 29 15:25:23 <ka6sox> panto, what was the request someone had of me here....distration ovewr.
May 29 15:26:14 <panto> ka6sox, http://hastebin.com/raw/janufireto
May 29 15:26:19 <mru> av500: no sanding required with the cloudy leds
May 29 15:27:00 <av500> panto: minor nitpick: you dont spend enough time on detailing the convergence between cloud and mobile
May 29 15:27:28 <panto> av500, you're saying I must highlight the synergy
May 29 15:27:30 <panto> got it
May 29 15:27:38 <av500> yes, going forward
May 29 15:27:47 <panto> stoping the churn
May 29 15:27:48 <av500> also, learnings
May 29 15:27:56 <mdp> panto, board file explanation is very good
May 29 15:28:04 <panto> av500, wut? learnings?
May 29 15:28:33 <mdp> av500 is correct, something is missing about DT taking BBB to the Cloud
May 29 15:28:45 <av500> DTBBB2C
May 29 15:29:08 * panto read that in Ali-G's voice 
May 29 15:29:19 <av500> DTBBB2CAG?
May 29 15:29:38 <mru> http://beagleborad.org/
May 29 15:29:38 <mdp> panto, "plethora" is too big of a word for .usians...suggest "many" ;)
May 29 15:30:08 <av500> keep plethora
May 29 15:30:15 <av500> learnings, remember
May 29 15:30:17 <mru> the real question is how to get "hootenanny" in there
May 29 15:30:21 <av500> +1
May 29 15:30:30 <mdp> challenge accepted!
May 29 15:32:00 <av500> mru: do you remember that video of that uni prof? about communication
May 29 15:32:12 <mdp> panto, last two sentenceParagraphs in the trouble with DT section seem to be incomplete thoughts, I'm left wanting for more
May 29 15:32:15 <av500> and how bad communication caused people in australia to die in a wildfire?
May 29 15:32:24 <mru> no, don't remember that
May 29 15:32:30 <av500> because they were not warned in a way that conveyed the danger of it?
May 29 15:32:34 <panto> mdp, ok
May 29 15:32:41 <mdp> panto, I think it's trying to summarize and is almost there
May 29 15:32:54 <av500> mru: he ranted about "learnings" a lot in it
May 29 15:32:57 <panto> it's a friggin huge subject
May 29 15:33:06 <mru> I have no recollection of such a thing
May 29 15:33:11 <mru> can't have communicated it well
May 29 15:33:36 <ka6sox> panto, why did I read that as harshbin
May 29 15:33:49 <panto> I am harsh
May 29 15:33:54 <panto> maybe that's why
May 29 15:33:59 <mru> hashbin
May 29 15:34:08 <panto> hashishbin
May 29 15:34:13 <mdp> panto, I think it should summarize as "In summary, the core of DT change is that logic that was previously accomplished in board files is moved into a mixture of generic frameworks, abstracted devices drivers, and data to drive that software.
May 29 15:34:20 <jackmitchell> panto: that's a big document kudos for writing it
May 29 15:34:49 <panto> mdp, I'm kanging this
May 29 15:34:52 <panto> jackmitchell, thx
May 29 15:34:58 <panto> someone had to do it
May 29 15:35:09 <jackmitchell> I only skimmed but it seems very useful
May 29 15:35:13 <mdp> panto, "The pinmux subsystem and clocksource/clockevent frameworks are two examples of consolidated frameworks that have evolved from the ARM move to DT."
May 29 15:35:17 <panto> maybe it should be someone who's better at writing docs than me
May 29 15:35:19 <mdp> panto, ok Chad
May 29 15:35:50 <jackmitchell> send it over to rpjday, he likes tearing into documents
May 29 15:36:15 <jackmitchell> it might bring out the tears, but the docs usually end up for the better
May 29 15:36:54 <ka6sox> jackmitchell, tears of Joy, Laughter or Sorrow?
May 29 15:36:58 <mdp> panto, "Previously, each ARM "machine", such as mach-omap2/*, implemented their SoC-specific pinmux and timer/clock drivers within their machine directory."
May 29 15:37:06 <jackmitchell> the holy trinity, all together
May 29 15:37:33 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/117
May 29 15:37:46 <mdp> panto, "In converted ARM machines, these drivers no live in the appropriate drivers/* directory and share common code sanely with other similar drivers."
May 29 15:37:47 <panto> jackmitchell, since I'm not a native speaker, and in general was pretty lousy on non-sciency classes I'll survive
May 29 15:38:06 <mdp> panto, kang what you like, discard the rest
May 29 15:38:35 <ka6sox> panto, this is pretty good...
May 29 15:38:39 <jackmitchell> panto: the guy I'm talking about is the one who has his name plastered over the BBB SRM; his email should be easy to find
May 29 15:38:51 <panto> mdp where should I stick them?
May 29 15:38:54 <mdp> panto, I think that might summarize the big picture to help the lead in to the details
May 29 15:39:22 <mdp> replace those last two sentenceParagraphs right before the "Device Tree's data driven model" section
May 29 15:39:47 <mdp> that sets the stage for the detailed pinmux discussion of how it converts from the old way to the new way
May 29 15:39:52 <mdp> which looks really good
May 29 15:40:13 <av500> lets debate pin for pin
May 29 15:40:19 <av500> keep us focussed
May 29 15:40:42 <ka6sox> panto, a LWN article? :)
May 29 15:40:53 <panto> sure, if we can get it
May 29 15:41:04 <ka6sox> I think thats a good forum
May 29 15:41:16 <av500> nah, too many trolls
May 29 15:41:26 * av500 gets account
May 29 15:41:29 <ka6sox> av500, not as many as HERE!
May 29 15:41:39 <panto> #beagle is not the one to throw the first trol^Wstone
May 29 15:41:51 <ka6sox> panto, +1
May 29 15:42:04 <mdp> panto, one more idea..in your detailed example (again, awesome) I think it would be good to have a short explanation of the difference between the gpiolib direction as it applies to the GPIO IP on am335x and the pinmux stuff that is completely separate
May 29 15:42:07 <mranostay> that is all we do here
May 29 15:42:21 <mdp> since you are using the gpio example, might as well squash that confusion right here
May 29 15:42:27 <av500> ogra_: glass to be banned in pubs?
May 29 15:42:41 <mdp> unfortunately it works differently on !omap socs in the kernel :(
May 29 15:42:53 <panto> av500, how will I swill my beer then? plastic cups?
May 29 15:42:56 <ogra_> av500, hmm ?
May 29 15:43:13 <av500> er
May 29 15:43:15 <av500> sorry
May 29 15:43:17 <av500> XorA:
May 29 15:43:19 <ogra_> :)
May 29 15:43:20 <panto> mdp, have a rough idea how to phrase that?
May 29 15:43:20 <av500> XorA: ^^^^
May 29 15:43:26 <mdp> panto, dammit ;)
May 29 15:43:28 <av500> coffee
May 29 15:43:36 <panto> -ENONNATIVESPEAKER :)
May 29 15:43:39 <av500> mdp: explain it like a 6y old
May 29 15:43:43 <panto> less
May 29 15:43:43 <mdp> panto, let me refill coffee
May 29 15:43:48 <panto> retarded 3yo
May 29 15:43:59 <panto> afk for coffee too
May 29 15:44:04 <av500> panto: you mean like on slashdot?
May 29 15:44:05 <mdp> I'm convinced kids get this stuff far easier than adults
May 29 15:44:09 <ka6sox> panto, even I can semi-understand it.
May 29 15:44:14 <ka6sox> mdp, +1
May 29 15:44:40 <mdp> the receptacle seems to start rejecting new concepts for many people
May 29 15:44:56 <ka6sox> mdp, I have to push something out to receive new.
May 29 15:44:59 <mdp> panto, also refilling coffee then I'll post a draft suggestion
May 29 15:45:17 * ka6sox joins the crowd and gets coffee
May 29 15:45:28 <mdp> ka6sox, I am rejecting new programming languages only atm
May 29 15:47:04 <ka6sox> mdp, thats why I'm letting my kidlet do the JS and webbie stuff.
May 29 15:50:37 <jackmitchell> only perl and fortran for you!
May 29 15:50:45 <mru> what, no forth?
May 29 15:50:53 <av500> henceforth
May 29 15:55:40 <mdp> OF really could help here
May 29 15:57:21 <ka6sox> back
May 29 15:57:36 <panto> back too
May 29 15:57:49 <fiola> LOLS, just received spam email for "Raspberry Pi XBMC Solution".
May 29 15:58:59 <mru> prpplague: why no commenting on your g+ post?
May 29 15:59:31 <av500> prpplague: yes, why?
May 29 15:59:45 <av500> that article is so full of fail
May 29 15:59:59 <panto> which one?
May 29 16:00:03 <mru> I can't make out what it's arguing
May 29 16:00:15 <av500> mru: it tries to scare people
May 29 16:00:17 <av500> subtly
May 29 16:00:24 <ka6sox> no commenting?
May 29 16:00:27 <av500> free college is not free
May 29 16:00:34 <ka6sox> bring out the torches and pitchforks!
May 29 16:00:40 <mru> I went to the top university in sweden for free
May 29 16:00:52 <mru> hell, the government even _gave_ me money to do so
May 29 16:00:57 <av500> "the socialisation of education"
May 29 16:01:02 <av500> == socialism
May 29 16:01:03 <av500> == bad
May 29 16:01:03 <mru> then I left the country
May 29 16:01:05 <av500> == scary
May 29 16:01:06 <mru> muahahahaha
May 29 16:01:20 <av500> :)
May 29 16:01:29 <mdp> that happens on the state level in .us too ;)
May 29 16:01:36 <ka6sox> yup
May 29 16:02:07 <mru> av500: germany has free education too?
May 29 16:02:10 <av500> yep
May 29 16:02:21 <av500> they tried moderate uni fees
May 29 16:02:22 <mdp> ka6sox, we export a lot of engineers from OH->CA ;)
May 29 16:02:24 <av500> then rolled them back
May 29 16:02:32 <mru> uk has fees, but they're not that high
May 29 16:02:39 <georgem> bah, education
May 29 16:02:51 <mru> education is good
May 29 16:03:01 <mru> I actually learned stuff at university
May 29 16:03:04 <koen> In .nl the largest chunk of your student loan gets killed if you graduate on time
May 29 16:03:10 <mdp> education is just the man trying to indoctrinate you with his ideas
May 29 16:03:13 <mranostay> mru: not enough to finish? :)
May 29 16:03:20 <av500> koen: that too, but the loan is to help costs of living
May 29 16:03:23 <mru> mranostay: enough not to finish
May 29 16:03:38 <av500> if you are "in need"
May 29 16:03:45 <kfoltman> mdp: and so are the cheap development boards ;)
May 29 16:03:53 <georgem> education is good for people that can't teach themselves.
May 29 16:04:05 <mdp> kfoltman, +1
May 29 16:04:17 <mru> everyone can use a good tutor
May 29 16:04:18 <mdp> kfoltman, the cheapest development boards are "for the children"
May 29 16:04:24 <ka6sox> mru, +1
May 29 16:04:32 <kfoltman> *ahem* RPi *ahem* right?
May 29 16:04:40 <ka6sox> mdp, that means the $4.30 ones?
May 29 16:04:48 <mranostay> georgem: true but sure makes job interviews easier :)
May 29 16:05:12 <mdp> ka6sox, whatever the man is pushing today ;)
May 29 16:05:21 <kfoltman> georgem: actually, it's good for getting people to learn stuff they would otherwise avoid at all cost (*ahem* me *ahem* math, compilers and other "hard" subjects)
May 29 16:05:34 <mru> not only that
May 29 16:05:55 <mru> a good education programme will teach you things you wouldn't otherwise know were even possible to learn
May 29 16:06:09 <av500> like math
May 29 16:06:12 <mdp> "free education"
May 29 16:06:30 <ka6sox> the processor board $4.30..the Educational Booster Pack $25...get them on the accessories (think Barbie)
May 29 16:06:45 <mranostay> or GI Joe
May 29 16:07:01 <mranostay> or a FPGA! oh hi emeb
May 29 16:07:03 <av500> you mean DT Joe
May 29 16:07:06 <mdp> ka6sox, they need a audio booster pack that exclaims, "Oooohhh...math is so hard!"
May 29 16:07:23 <emeb> Speak of the FPGA and it shall appear...
May 29 16:07:25 <georgem> kfoltman: maybe I'm unwell.... I learned all of that stuff on my own
May 29 16:07:38 <mru> I'm not talking about any specific subject on which there are books written
May 29 16:08:08 <cmicali> panto: this read me is fantastic
May 29 16:08:12 <ka6sox> mdp, you know you are in trouble when your kid wants to spend 4 days asking you questions about Quantum Mechanics...
May 29 16:08:26 <fiola> mru++ ... you can't even want to learn something if you don't know it exists.  Those who went before show you the whole jigsaw, so that you can fill in the pieces over time in later life.
May 29 16:08:42 <emeb> ka6sox: get him a copy of "Surely you're joking Mr Feynmann"
May 29 16:08:46 <georgem> thats bs
May 29 16:08:54 <mru> georgem: what's your education?
May 29 16:09:07 <mdp> ka6sox, I was once up until 3am in a discussion about why the super collider (probably) would not end the world ;)
May 29 16:09:07 <georgem> mru: none
May 29 16:09:12 <mru> thank you for proving my point
May 29 16:09:32 <ka6sox> emeb, I have that book...let me dig it out
May 29 16:09:51 <mru> mdp: either it won't, and then we're safe; or it will, and then we won't care
May 29 16:09:57 <fiola> That's it exactly.  Those who don't know can;t even see the value of knowing.  It's chicken and egg.
May 29 16:10:01 <av500> I think it ended it already
May 29 16:10:03 <ka6sox> mdp, thats a serious discussion
May 29 16:10:07 <av500> we are running the backup simulation
May 29 16:10:37 <mdp> ka6sox, he couldn't sleep, worrying about it ;) it was before the full ability to reason through this stuff but with enough thinking to be dangeriously worrisome
May 29 16:10:37 <ka6sox> av500, do we now all live in the Matrix?
May 29 16:10:38 <mranostay> ka6sox: quantum mechanics? what age?
May 29 16:10:51 <ka6sox> 11
May 29 16:10:58 <mdp> mru, right, I had to focus on the unlikely nature of it
May 29 16:11:02 <panto> wait until he discovers girls
May 29 16:11:03 <georgem> mru: I guess your education also taught you how to be a pompous ass.
May 29 16:11:15 <ka6sox> panto, I know...thats a day I"m dreading...
May 29 16:11:16 <mdp> mru, rather than, "you really won't notice now will you?"
May 29 16:11:17 <mru> georgem: no, I learned that by myself
May 29 16:11:39 <georgem> mru: see, thats the way to do it :)
May 29 16:11:39 <KotH> mru: my grandfather has been known to bash anyone with no education, especially those arguing against educuation
May 29 16:11:43 <ka6sox> #beagle is a river that changes course every 3 minutes...
May 29 16:12:09 <panto> #beagle, the channel for the techies with no attention span whatsoever
May 29 16:12:18 <ka6sox> panto, who is your audience for this article?
May 29 16:12:38 <mru> ka6sox: he already answered that, he top-posted
May 29 16:12:56 * mranostay gets popcorn
May 29 16:13:09 <ka6sox> mru, I must have been at the Hotdog Stand when that happened.
May 29 16:13:12 <KotH> mru: one day, when he was sitting in a park, someone else sitting hear him was complainging that his son wants to go to highschool.."what is he going to end up? a paper pusher". my grandfather "muttered" loudly.. "still better than becoming shit like you" :-)
May 29 16:13:17 <georgem> KotH: My father has PhD in statistics his doctoral professor was a Nobel laureate.  He told me that for me education was a waste of time. I listened.
May 29 16:13:18 <mdp> KotH, I'm pro-reeducation
May 29 16:13:38 <av500> KotH: kudos to your dad
May 29 16:13:44 <panto> ka6sox, a) BB white users/developers on the 3.2, b) new comers to DT, c) BBB users that need to understand a few things more
May 29 16:13:49 <KotH> av500: my dad has nothing to do with that
May 29 16:13:55 <av500> oops
May 29 16:13:56 <KotH> av500: and i am glad he had no say in my education
May 29 16:13:57 <av500> granddad
May 29 16:14:03 <ka6sox> panto, thanks...helps
May 29 16:14:06 <mru> georgem: oh, perhaps for _you_ education would indeed be a waste
May 29 16:14:14 <mdp> ouch
May 29 16:14:23 <panto> gentlemen, you can't fight here! this is the war room!
May 29 16:14:33 <kfoltman> some people can learn stuff on their own, most can't, news at 11 ;)
May 29 16:14:43 * mdp moves the minatures about on the table
May 29 16:14:43 * panto 's arm is trying to strangle him
May 29 16:14:45 <kfoltman> s/stuff/all stuff/
May 29 16:14:59 <KotH> georgem: i'm not going to argue with anyone who thinks that education in any form is a waste of time
May 29 16:14:59 <kfoltman> panto: a8 or m3?
May 29 16:15:00 <mru> kfoltman: learning is one thing, learning what to learn another entirely
May 29 16:15:02 <mdp> panto, ok so back to our work..so I can get back to my day job
May 29 16:15:08 <KotH> georgem: i cannot change your mind, you are imune against learning
May 29 16:15:13 <fiola> kfoltman: you can't learn what you don't know exists, except by accident.  You won't search it out.
May 29 16:15:30 <panto> kfoltman, huh?
May 29 16:15:32 <KotH> mdp: i would guess so... you didnt seem like a stupid guy ;)
May 29 16:15:47 <kfoltman> mru, fiola: theoretically, you could learn that, too, school is not a prerequisite for that, it just makes it easier/more likely to happen
May 29 16:16:17 <fiola> kfoltman: As I said, except by accident.
May 29 16:16:20 <mru> I did some teaching at university
May 29 16:16:34 <kfoltman> fiola: or as a consequence of learning something else
May 29 16:16:38 <mranostay> KotH: of course i'm guessing college isn't a business effectively in .ch yet?
May 29 16:16:39 <mru> in every group, there'd a be a few bright students who'd "learned" programming on their own
May 29 16:16:46 <mru> and a few bright ones who hadn't
May 29 16:16:52 <mru> the latter were much easier to teach
May 29 16:16:54 <KotH> kfoltman: the advantage of school is that you get a broad overview over a field very quickly.. at a speed you cannot do yourself
May 29 16:17:07 <KotH> mranostay: what do you mean?
May 29 16:17:10 <Guser> sorry for the noobish question, but if I want to enable UART2 on the BBB I have to recompile the Device Tree Source? It isn't just a matter of changing the mux, right?
May 29 16:17:13 <georgem> KotH: try learning on the job
May 29 16:17:14 <ka6sox> panto, what help do you need with the article? and do you have enough input?
May 29 16:17:16 <mru> the former often thought they knew everything already, and we had to force them out of bad habits
May 29 16:17:28 <kfoltman> georgem: that gave us ruby-on-rails programmers ;)
May 29 16:17:30 <SpeedEvil> The blood! The Blood!
May 29 16:17:45 <KotH> georgem: you are talking to someone who knows more than the average guy which a masters degree...
May 29 16:17:47 <ka6sox> "The Horror"
May 29 16:17:50 <prpplague> mru / av500 not in the mod for a rational debate....
May 29 16:17:58 <KotH> georgem: maybe it could have somethign to do that i'm working on my second university degree
May 29 16:18:00 <mdp> KotH, lol
May 29 16:18:05 <mru> prpplague: oh, we wouldn't give you a _rational_ debate
May 29 16:18:06 <georgem> KotH: so are you
May 29 16:18:19 <ka6sox> philosophy majors are by definition not rational
May 29 16:18:31 <mdp> panto, time is running out, my mbp retina arrived and requires a linux desktop(tm) install :)
May 29 16:18:33 <KotH> mdp: hey! it's true! :)
May 29 16:18:46 <mru> georgem: you strike me as an arrogant prick who thinks he knows everything, yet has nothing to show for it
May 29 16:19:10 <mdp> KotH, I hang with smart people, listen, and repeat what they say. recommended tactic
May 29 16:19:11 <Guser> can't I just use the pinMode function on the bonescript?
May 29 16:19:11 <panto> ka6sox, I need peopler to read it and let me know where it's not working out
May 29 16:19:12 <fiola> kfoltman: Education increases your chances of learning something that otherwise would have required just accident and luck to discover.  With the knowledge that it exists, you can then choose to ignore it, and that's what happens to a large proportion of what you're taught.  But at least you were given the option.  Without education, you don't have the option, you're in the lap of the gods.
May 29 16:19:12 <kfoltman> mru/fiola: still, people who think they know everything, just out of ignorance, are generally kinda annoying (see also: stereotypical rails or php or vb programmers)
May 29 16:19:17 <georgem> mru: you strike me as an elitist prick
May 29 16:19:24 <mru> kfoltman: and georgem
May 29 16:19:26 <KotH> mdp: guess why i'm here :)
May 29 16:19:32 <prpplague> mru: hehe i am sure
May 29 16:19:35 <av500> prpplague: np, need to go home anyway :)
May 29 16:19:41 <Guser> *_* so much text nobody even saw my question
May 29 16:19:42 <prpplague> av500: hehe
May 29 16:19:55 <av500> Guser: it does not work
May 29 16:20:03 <av500> it only works for pins that are in GPIO mode already
May 29 16:20:06 <av500> it needs DT love
May 29 16:20:09 <fiola> kfoltman: Yes, it's always perceived that way.  Those who never even went to basic school perceive those who have as annoying.  It's true all the way up.
May 29 16:20:11 <kfoltman> mru: I'm aware of my own ignorance about depth of georgem's knowledge :P
May 29 16:20:14 <ka6sox> panto, okay...are you going to draw a conclusion?
May 29 16:20:26 <panto> yes
May 29 16:20:26 <mranostay> group hug anyone?
May 29 16:20:29 <panto> still thinking about it
May 29 16:20:33 <av500> mranostay: sure
May 29 16:20:36 <mranostay> hug away the hate here :)
May 29 16:20:39 <panto> we need the peripheral example capes
May 29 16:20:46 <av500> panto: hug!
May 29 16:20:52 <panto> bear hug!
May 29 16:20:59 <av500> panto: lets show them GreekSerbian style!
May 29 16:21:00 <kfoltman> fiola: I'm talking about the opposite - we see rails guys as annoying, because they speak from position of authority despite (often) barely knowing how to write code that sometimes works ;)
May 29 16:21:00 <KotH> georgem: uhmm.. just for the record: mru knows a damn lot about computers and programming.. he is entitled to his elitist ideas
May 29 16:21:19 <mru> now I could probably have taken all the textbooks I used at university and read them on my own
May 29 16:21:26 <panto> bradfa, if you're here, what's the link to your mux info git tree?
May 29 16:21:37 <KotH> georgem: you on the other hand seem to be ignorant enough to think you know that education is a waste of time, withouth even having tried it
May 29 16:21:38 <mru> then I'd know linear algebra, calculus, digital circuit design, etc
May 29 16:21:44 <mru> but I wouldn't know _engineering_
May 29 16:21:48 <Guser> In case anyone asnwered - i crashed and didn't get it.
May 29 16:21:58 <mranostay> heheh
May 29 16:22:00 <av500> Guser: it does not work
May 29 16:22:01 <georgem> KotH: I have tried it
May 29 16:22:03 <av500> it only works for pins that are in GPIO mode already
May 29 16:22:05 <av500> it needs DT love
May 29 16:22:24 <georgem> I never said I didnt try it
May 29 16:22:31 <Guser> av500: then I'm off to recompile. thanks
May 29 16:22:34 <KotH> mru: interesting... i learned engineering on my own.. trying stuff
May 29 16:22:35 <ka6sox> panto, https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables
May 29 16:22:40 <kfoltman> mru: I don't know, one of the best game programmers I ever knew was self-taught (but he did a lot of study on his own)
May 29 16:22:50 <KotH> mru: there is actually very little of my university stuff that i use on the job
May 29 16:23:04 <mru> I don't use a lot of the specific subject matter
May 29 16:23:13 <KotH> mru: but i curse every day that i didnt pay more attention in the math courses
May 29 16:23:27 <mru> but having the background knowledge does help understanding some problems
May 29 16:24:03 <kfoltman> mru: still, some people *do* learn background knowledge on their own - it's just not a norm, from what I see at least
May 29 16:24:29 <mdp> panto, I recommend the example use s/gpio_request/gpio_request_one/ partly to address the fact that you are missing the gpio_direction_output() call
May 29 16:24:30 <levi> Universities are repurposed remnants of an age where people generally thought a 'classical education' had value, rather than seeing education solely as training for the workforce.
May 29 16:24:31 <mru> "self-taught" people tend to have only learned precisely what they needed
May 29 16:24:33 <ka6sox> panto, what do you mean by "peripheral example capes?
May 29 16:24:34 <KotH> kfoltman: there are people who can learn a lot by themselves.. but that's the exception... and they are often relatively inefficient in tackling an entirely new field
May 29 16:24:42 <mru> so while they know some things very well, they also have large gaps
May 29 16:24:47 <panto> the ones we talked about
May 29 16:24:52 <georgem> Anyway, I've got things to attend to. I'll just end by saying that I find it deplorable that you judge people and their methods because they are different from your own.
May 29 16:24:52 <mdp> panto, and partly because gpio_request_one() does it all and forces the good example of setting a proper default
May 29 16:24:59 <panto> UART0, UART1, I2C1, etc.
May 29 16:25:01 <ka6sox> panto,  the generica ones?
May 29 16:25:04 <ka6sox> right
May 29 16:25:05 <kfoltman> mru: depends on the general level of curiosity
May 29 16:25:31 <mru> of course it does
May 29 16:25:40 <KotH> georgem: uhmm.. as a student of psychology, i can tell you that you judge people exactly the same way
May 29 16:25:47 <mru> but I still maintain that spending 2-3 years in higher education is never a waste of time
May 29 16:25:48 <KotH> georgem: you are just not aware of it
May 29 16:25:51 <mru> if it's a good university
May 29 16:26:14 <ka6sox> mru, what if your university is rated #1 Party School in the country?
May 29 16:26:26 <mru> then you'll learn a different set of skills
May 29 16:26:27 <kfoltman> ka6sox: that depends on if you like to party ;)
May 29 16:26:47 <KotH> kfoltman: people who know me, can attest you that i have a very high level of curiosity. but i know that most of the fields i study by myself have large gaps in basic knowledge
May 29 16:27:14 <KotH> kfoltman: as a selftaught, you just dont have much drive to learn some of the basics, because there is no need....you get along without them
May 29 16:27:26 <mru> there's no shame in letting those who have explored the world before you show you the way
May 29 16:27:32 <KotH> kfoltman: and often you dont even realize what their use would be until you finally take the time to learn it properly
May 29 16:27:44 <mru> KotH: +1
May 29 16:27:46 <kfoltman> KotH: well, sure, I wouldn't learn integrals if I wasn't almost forced at gunpoint to do so ;)
May 29 16:28:06 * KotH has to relearn them ^^'
May 29 16:28:13 * kfoltman is trying to relearn them
May 29 16:28:22 <mru> they're damn useful
May 29 16:28:27 <ka6sox> kfoltman, for 80% of my career...I didn't need them...now I'm trying to relearn matrix algebra too...
May 29 16:28:28 <mdp> panto, then, right below the first boardfile use of muxing then the gpio stuff, you could have a blazing note, "NOTE: On an "OMAP" SoC the GPIO block and the pinmux block are independent entities. As such, the software must properly configure both the GPIO *and* the Pinmux for output/input. GPIO configuration is done via the standard gpiolib library and in this example, the omap_mux_init_signal() api configures the pinmux itself to allow output
May 29 16:28:28 <mdp> on the pin."
May 29 16:28:28 <KotH> yeah..
May 29 16:28:29 * panto vaguely remembers he used to remember how to do them 
May 29 16:28:33 <mru> it's a long time since I solved one by hand
May 29 16:28:47 <mdp> panto, that's a draft
May 29 16:28:47 <panto> mdp, kanged!
May 29 16:29:22 <KotH> mru: i want to take a course on the topic of control systems in living cells next semester... very heavy on algebra, linear algebra and matlab.. topics i dont know nearly enough about
May 29 16:29:26 <mdp> ok, now off to fight EFI so I have this baby ready for travel sunday ;)
May 29 16:29:29 <panto> perhaps I should put that on google docs so that everyone can contribute
May 29 16:29:51 <ka6sox> panto, at least throw darts at...but yes please do
May 29 16:29:53 <KotH> mdp: good luck
May 29 16:30:06 <mdp> panto, please do, I think that would be better than mixing these comments in the "education is for lusers" conversation
May 29 16:30:17 <ka6sox> mdp, +1
May 29 16:30:18 <mdp> :)
May 29 16:31:01 * KotH wonders whether he should give a talk on basic psychology on ELCE
May 29 16:31:03 <mru> observation: few of those who did go to school seem to think it was a waste
May 29 16:31:09 <mranostay> KotH: yes :)
May 29 16:31:09 <KotH> just for the fun of doing something non-standard :)
May 29 16:31:18 <mranostay> psychology of a troll
May 29 16:31:18 <mdp> KotH, I found #exactsteps for mbp retina install, no problem!
May 29 16:31:19 <mru> submit a proposal
May 29 16:31:24 <KotH> mranostay: can you get it accepted somehow? :)
May 29 16:31:31 <ka6sox> I find myself spending time @ khan academy relearning...
May 29 16:31:51 <mdp> ka6sox, it's a neverending process
May 29 16:31:58 <ka6sox> mdp, but a good one
May 29 16:32:02 <mdp> yep
May 29 16:32:23 <mdp> I used an online curriculum a while back to spend a week learning field theory math
May 29 16:32:43 <mdp> to properly grok BCH
May 29 16:32:50 <KotH> my condolences
May 29 16:33:14 <KotH> mdp: get yourself a copy of "error control coding" by lin and costello
May 29 16:33:23 <mdp> KotH, it hurt my head
May 29 16:33:26 <KotH> mdp: contains everything you want to know about that stuff
May 29 16:33:26 <ka6sox> I find myself learning Octave...not a language I would have thought I would work with...
May 29 16:33:30 <mdp> KotH, have it
May 29 16:33:53 <KotH> mdp: hehe.. i know that feeling
May 29 16:33:57 <mdp> KotH, it'll probably be another thing I never use again
May 29 16:34:17 <mdp> KotH, like crypto, learned that all doing defense work..and never ever worked on it in the private sector all these years
May 29 16:34:21 <mdp> oddly enough
May 29 16:34:31 <mranostay> mdp: lucky for the US government :P
May 29 16:34:42 <Jazzdude> mdp, what does BCH stand for? (not Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff, does it?)
May 29 16:34:44 <mdp> mranostay, I know all their sekrit algorithms
May 29 16:34:51 <KotH> mdp: the first time i had to do something with RS codes, i was told to write a SystemC implementation of it, using a VHDL example... unfortunately, i didnt know shit about field theory, nothing about codes at all... and i was in japan where english text books are rare ^^'
May 29 16:35:02 <mranostay> mdp: they didn't kill you on exit? :)
May 29 16:35:09 <mranostay> or that just in movies?
May 29 16:35:13 <mdp> but hey, Bruce Schneier has some awesome guesses in his books/papers ;)
May 29 16:35:30 <KotH> mdp: i'm quite sure i will use parts of that stuff again somewhen
May 29 16:35:35 <mdp> KotH, lol
May 29 16:35:50 <KotH> mdp: we do a lot of communication stuff. it is bound to happend that we need some error correction system somewhen
May 29 16:36:04 <mdp> yeah
May 29 16:36:04 <Sy_> Hello
May 29 16:36:37 <KotH> Echo
May 29 16:36:48 <mdp> I had to debug an error in our driver implementing the s/w end of the BCH correction..customer was production stopped :(
May 29 16:36:51 <KotH> Sy_: you just missed a great on-topic discussion
May 29 16:37:02 <Sy_> what was that ?
May 29 16:37:06 <mdp> KotH, so much nicer to sit in a Uni classroom and absorb that stuff, I think ;)
May 29 16:37:11 <mdp> over a semester
May 29 16:37:15 <KotH> mdp: lol.. yeah
May 29 16:37:21 <KotH> mdp: i know that feeling!
May 29 16:37:29 * KotH has it every day
May 29 16:37:41 <Sy_> Very pleased now that I have HA-Multi-Master MySQL running on Beagle
May 29 16:37:45 <KotH> Sy_: on education and why ignorant pricks think it's a waste of time
May 29 16:37:53 <Sy_> lol
May 29 16:38:04 * fiola waves at Sy_ ... still working fine?
May 29 16:38:13 <mranostay> KotH: what is the BS in?
May 29 16:38:25 <KotH> mranostay: BS?
May 29 16:38:42 <Sy_> yes replicating beautifully....next stage is to get PHP working with the web-server
May 29 16:38:48 <mdp> panto, did you catch that part about the fix to the actual example api usage though?
May 29 16:38:50 <KotH> mranostay: i not usian native. you not use acronymes on me!
May 29 16:39:03 <panto> the gpio request one?
May 29 16:39:13 <mdp> panto, it's particularly important for the note since the call to the gpio direction api is missing
May 29 16:39:15 <mdp> panto, yeah
May 29 16:39:22 <panto> yeah, got it
May 29 16:39:25 <mdp> cool
May 29 16:39:34 <mdp> ok, really looking away from irc now
May 29 16:39:53 <panto> mdp, what's your email to use for the document?
May 29 16:40:00 <panto> should I use the new one at Linaro?
May 29 16:40:20 <mdp> yeah, that's fine, I think
May 29 16:40:39 <mdp> I hadn't decided what I would really use for this kind of stuff ;)
May 29 16:40:40 <panto> ok, what is it then? :)
May 29 16:40:49 <mdp> matt.porter@linaro.org
May 29 16:40:57 <mdp> non-intuitive
May 29 16:41:16 * KotH would have expected mdp@linaro.org
May 29 16:41:22 * ka6sox goes back to fighting musb
May 29 16:41:56 <mranostay> KotH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Science
May 29 16:42:02 <ka6sox> )(&#$)*% random crashes :P
May 29 16:42:21 <KotH> mranostay: i dont have a BSc, just an MSc
May 29 16:42:42 <panto> ka6sox, that's musb alright!
May 29 16:42:45 * mranostay should get motivated to take a few classes
May 29 16:43:14 <Sy_> What http server is running on the vanilla set-up, looked for http in the process'es, nothing comes up.
May 29 16:43:18 <mranostay> all roads point to musb
May 29 16:43:20 <KotH> mranostay: i currently have a MSc in EE and working on a BSc in psych with chem as minor
May 29 16:43:43 <mranostay> KotH: how can you have a MSc before BSc
May 29 16:43:48 <alan_o> that sounds like a lot of hard work
May 29 16:44:00 <mranostay> alan_o: i'm way too lazy for that :P
May 29 16:44:04 <ka6sox> musb is always hard work.
May 29 16:44:06 <KotH> mranostay: .ch had a totally different degree system at uni level
May 29 16:44:26 <mdp> ka6sox, you must have a gun to your head
May 29 16:44:29 <alan_o> mranostay: me too, I'm never going back. One gets used to being treated like an adult.
May 29 16:44:39 <KotH> mranostay: we were the first generation of students who got the bologna system (aka us'ified education, with all its "merits")
May 29 16:44:45 <ka6sox> mdp, I do...can't get paid till we get this sorted
May 29 16:45:07 <KotH> mranostay: as there wasnt an in-between degree like the BSc, our generation just skipped it and went directly to MSc
May 29 16:45:27 <Guser> could anyone reference me to a howto read serial data from a specific pin? i've been working on this for a few hours now and the documentation i've found so far is quite bad...(Single-wire, 2400 baud Serial TTL)
May 29 16:45:29 <KotH> mranostay: today students first do an BSc and then an MSc
May 29 16:45:47 <KotH> mranostay: though very frew people stop at BSc because at that level you are basically nothing
May 29 16:46:13 <ka6sox> Guser, are you bitreceiving the pin? or using a UART/SPI/whatever module?
May 29 16:46:16 <Sy_> Two of my son's is currently at Uni, eldest doing degree in History and archeology, son no.2 studying architecture...son no.3 just left school about to start college and daughter still in school.
May 29 16:46:16 <KotH> alan_o: it is a lot of work. but it's fun :)
May 29 16:46:38 <KotH> alan_o: i dont know how you treat your students in the us, but they are treatet like adults overhere
May 29 16:46:58 <Guser> ka6sox: I thought my only option is to use a UART...
May 29 16:46:59 <mranostay> KotH: BSc is nothing
May 29 16:47:01 <mranostay> ?
May 29 16:47:16 <KotH> mranostay: it's considered "half a degree" by people
May 29 16:47:29 <KotH> mranostay: as i said, we didnt have an in-between degree before
May 29 16:47:44 <KotH> mranostay: nobody expects you to leave university half way trough
May 29 16:47:50 <ka6sox> KotH, we have something thats 1/2 a BSc called a AS
May 29 16:48:04 <KotH> mranostay: hence nobody will hire someone who has only half a degree
May 29 16:48:12 <KotH> ka6sox: eh...
May 29 16:48:30 <KotH> ka6sox: we call these aprentices ;)
May 29 16:48:40 <Guser> ka6sox: a tty interface device will be the best for my usage.
May 29 16:49:05 <mdp> ka6sox, I figured as much. my last forced worked on musb was sitting at a customer site fixing that POS :(
May 29 16:49:30 <ka6sox> Guser,so which UART receive pin  are you using?
May 29 16:49:34 <mdp> ka6sox, I suggest the obligatory Silkwood shower when you are done.
May 29 16:49:56 <mranostay> KotH: is BSc 4 years?
May 29 16:50:00 <alan_o> KotH: we're treated like kids at university (which is weird for me to say.... it's COLLEGE :) ) mostly because people act that way. Univeristies aren't about learning for most attendees. For most, it's about drinking beer for 4 years then whining why you have so much student loan (because you got a degree in nothing), and then asking the government to forgive student loan debt. That's kind of the progression.
May 29 16:50:01 <ka6sox> mdp, I feel that it will take one with Lye...
May 29 16:50:11 <mdp> hehe
May 29 16:50:29 <KotH> mranostay: 3y for BSc, another 1.5-3 for MSc
May 29 16:50:32 <mdp> definitely if you are working on the 2.6.32 version ;)
May 29 16:50:45 <ka6sox> .37
May 29 16:50:47 <Guser> ka6sox: I was thinking about using UART5
May 29 16:50:57 <ka6sox> Guser, good plan(tm)
May 29 16:50:59 <KotH> alan_o: rotfl
May 29 16:51:12 <Guser> ka6sox: pin 32
May 29 16:51:13 <mdp> ka6sox, uh oh
May 29 16:51:14 <alan_o> KotH: Engineers and scientists (and definitely some others)  excepted of course. Not many people in CS were in fraternities (I only ever knew of 3).
May 29 16:51:36 <alan_o> KotH: People don't have time for that crap if you're getting a real degree.
May 29 16:51:43 <KotH> alan_o: in .ch you have a damn lot of exams to pass... you fail any one exam twice and you are gone.. and because the universities in .ch are coordinated, you cannot study that topic anywhere in .ch anymore
May 29 16:51:49 * ka6sox makes the "okay mdp..lets have it" sign...
May 29 16:52:11 <KotH> alan_o: that keeps people on the edge a bit...
May 29 16:52:23 <KotH> alan_o: though i must say, the workload in different degrees varies a lot
May 29 16:52:54 <mranostay> KotH: sounds a little harse
May 29 16:52:54 <KotH> alan_o: studying full time psych while working 80% is no problem. taking one lecture in chem fills my whole free time
May 29 16:52:57 <mranostay> *harsh
May 29 16:53:26 <KotH> mranostay: you have to keep in mind that uni is basically for free in .ch (costs about 2000usd/y)
May 29 16:53:31 <alan_o> KotH:  We make the mistake of trying to send everyone to college (Uni). I like the idea that anyone has the opportunity to "catch up" if they mess up at any point, but at the same time, we shouldn't push every single kid into college.
May 29 16:53:36 <KotH> mranostay: you dont want to keep people who are never going to finish there
May 29 16:53:45 <mranostay> KotH: yeah which why it is a business here :)
May 29 16:53:50 <KotH> mranostay: and if you do want to get a degree, you can still choose a different topic
May 29 16:54:10 <KotH> mranostay: advantage: we dont have student loans ;)
May 29 16:54:29 <alan_o> KotH: Uni is cheap here too, if you go to a state college/university in your state.
May 29 16:54:30 <KotH> alan_o: we dont send enough people ot higher education :(
May 29 16:54:35 <Sy_> Trying to find the name of the HTTPD server used in the vanilla install of Angstrom on the BBB and also the location of the files, anyone?
May 29 16:55:04 <KotH> alan_o: but everyone has an equal chance and you can catch up at most points. it's just a lot of work and it gets a lot harder when you dont do it the standard way
May 29 16:55:25 <KotH> Sy_: try lighttpd
May 29 16:55:30 <KotH> Sy_: if it isnt, try boa
May 29 16:55:36 <alan_o> KotH: too many people though think they have to go to private school, and come out with loans of 100k and a degree in something they can't get a job with. Because the whole time you're told "college isn't about job training, it's about being a more educated person"
May 29 16:55:51 <KotH> alan_o: lol
May 29 16:56:19 <KotH> alan_o: 1) uni is about being educated. 2) you should still think about what you want to work as afterwards and choose your topic wisely
May 29 16:56:34 <alan_o> KotH: seems clear enough to me, and it was back then too...
May 29 16:56:46 <KotH> alan_o: i know a few people who studied weird stuff... one of them did japanese with cinematology as minor
May 29 16:56:48 <alan_o> KotH: but people in humanities actively tell you otherwise.
May 29 16:56:54 <KotH> alan_o: now he is an english teacher in japan :)
May 29 16:57:03 <alan_o> KotH: I was about to ask starbucks :)
May 29 16:57:04 <KotH> alan_o: lol
May 29 16:57:24 <mranostay> alan_o: problem is any degree i would take now doesn't pay anything :)
May 29 16:57:26 <Sy_> Doesn't look like its lighttpd or boa, neigher of them show up as running processes....
May 29 16:57:30 <KotH> alan_o: if i would study hummanities.. oh. i actually do ;-)... i would ask myself how i could find a job in that field
May 29 16:57:38 <mranostay> what KotH said
May 29 16:57:39 <ka6sox> Sy_, try httpd
May 29 16:57:39 <Guser> ka6sox: could you reference me to a wiki or a howto enable the UART5?
May 29 16:57:57 <mranostay> KotH: well you could at half what you make now :)
May 29 16:57:58 <ka6sox> Guser, right now we are team writing that document...
May 29 16:57:59 <KotH> alan_o: if you are interested in your field and thus become good at it, you will find a way to apply that field to a job
May 29 16:58:00 <ka6sox> :)
May 29 16:58:11 <Guser> ka6sox, hehe - thanks then :)
May 29 16:58:27 <koen> Sy_: bone101 spawns a nodejs process listending on port 80
May 29 16:58:34 <alan_o> KotH: yeah, but people expect that "I got a degree in philosophy, so come hire me now please"
May 29 16:58:44 <ka6sox> koen, thanks!
May 29 16:58:48 <KotH> mranostay: studying is just a hobby for me. i am not going to work as a psychologist in the future
May 29 16:59:02 <KotH> mranostay: i due it purely to become "a more educated person" :)
May 29 16:59:13 <Sy_> ok, it isn't httpd either, I think it is nodejs.
May 29 16:59:14 <alan_o> KotH: "oh, and I want 150k, because I'm wrote _good_ papers in school."
May 29 16:59:15 <KotH> alan_o: you really have shitheads like this?
May 29 16:59:34 <KotH> alan_o: humanities here at least have the decency to know that they have a degree that is not worth much in a job search
May 29 16:59:38 <panto> KotH, .gr is full of them!
May 29 16:59:42 <Sy_> yep, process list shows node and node 4
May 29 17:00:06 <panto> we have something like a gazillion humanities/useless degree holders
May 29 17:00:26 <panto> all waiting in line to be hired as teachers
May 29 17:00:33 <KotH> eh..
May 29 17:00:46 <KotH> panto: let me guess, and you have a big lack of science and math teachers?
May 29 17:00:52 <mranostay> panto: you mean my BA in Dance won't pay anything?
May 29 17:01:04 <alan_o> KotH: we have lots of people like that. The problem is, people aren't smart when they're 18, and guidance counselors and University staff fail them.
May 29 17:01:16 <KotH> alan_o: and their parents too
May 29 17:01:23 <m_billybob> mranostay, under water dance ?
May 29 17:01:30 <panto> KotH, there are plenty of them too
May 29 17:01:31 <mranostay> m_billybob: that is my minor
May 29 17:01:34 <m_billybob> aka underwater basket weaving . . .
May 29 17:01:35 <mranostay> how did you know?
May 29 17:01:36 <alan_o> KotH: but a lot of parents don't know.
May 29 17:01:51 <m_billybob> lol just being a smart ass is all mranostay ;)
May 29 17:01:54 <panto> unfortunately their career track was just 'be a highschool math-teacher'
May 29 17:01:55 <KotH> alan_o: if had choosen something that was obvious to not earn me any money, my mother would have beaten the shit out of me
May 29 17:02:13 <alan_o> oh yeah. Your mother had sense. Mine did too.
May 29 17:02:21 <KotH> alan_o: huh? how come? i mean... you know how the world works, if oyu are 30+?
May 29 17:02:37 <m_billybob> KotH, *maybe*
May 29 17:02:56 <alan_o> KotH: lots of people don't know how the world works.
May 29 17:03:09 <KotH> alan_o: on the other hand, if i had a good argument, how i still could earn money with something like that, she wouldnt have said anything ;)
May 29 17:03:37 <KotH> alan_o: yeah.. stupidity prevails
May 29 17:04:00 <m_billybob> morning all btw
May 29 17:04:17 <alan_o> m_billybob: hi
May 29 17:04:30 <m_billybob> KotH a fine JIHAD to you this day :)
May 29 17:04:55 <KotH> yeah! a wonderfull educational JIHAD to you too!
May 29 17:05:39 <clive> Hi any one to chat
May 29 17:05:50 <clive> I am a begineer in using beaglebone
May 29 17:05:51 <maxinux> wassup
May 29 17:05:55 <m_billybob> ask away
May 29 17:06:19 <clive> I am trying to install the drivers on windows 8 64-bit but I have a problem
May 29 17:06:26 <clive> can you help please?
May 29 17:06:51 <m_billybob> clive ther is a special way to boot into windows 8 to allow um the drivers to be installed
May 29 17:07:14 <clive> It is saying "current language not supported"
May 29 17:07:15 <m_billybob> they are uncertified or somethignf like that. *brain not entirerly awake this mornign yet*
May 29 17:07:16 <clive> help please
May 29 17:07:50 <m_billybob> yeah that i cant help with but perhaps search the google groups for "beagle bone" windows 8 locale.
May 29 17:08:01 <clive> On my PC I don`t have ethernet connector
May 29 17:08:14 <clive> Can I use USB to connect with board?
May 29 17:08:21 <alan_o> clive: iPad?
May 29 17:08:24 <m_billybob> yes, once the driver are installed
May 29 17:08:30 <m_billybob> windows 9 alan_o
May 29 17:08:33 <m_billybob> err 8
May 29 17:08:39 <clive> no acer aspire without ethernet connector
May 29 17:08:41 <Marc_SSL> Hi, quick question if anyone could please answer it. When I follow the Angstrom instructions on building the Linux Image, I can find the uImage after successfully building, but where do I find the the MLO, uEnv.txt, u-boot.bin, and the rootfs.tar.gz or other equivalent filesystem?
May 29 17:09:02 <Rickta59> it doesn't build the image file Marc_SSL
May 29 17:09:45 <Rickta59> easiest to using and existing sdcard image and just overlay
May 29 17:09:46 <Marc_SSL> Rickta59: What does it build, just the uImage?
May 29 17:09:56 <Rickta59> an existing
May 29 17:10:10 <Marc_SSL> So I can grab a rootfs off of Narcissus and use that with the uImage I built?
May 29 17:10:11 <m_billybob> clive, anyhow once you have the drivers from the link in start.htm installed, you can use TCP/IP from your computer tothe beagleboard black
May 29 17:10:26 <m_billybob> clive over USB that is
May 29 17:10:44 <Rickta59> i download the latest binary .xy image
May 29 17:10:50 <Rickta59> then mounted in my desktop
May 29 17:10:55 <clive> What about the "current langugae not supported ""????
May 29 17:10:58 <Rickta59> and copied over the top
May 29 17:11:10 <m_billybob> clive fo rthat search the beagleboard google groups
May 29 17:11:11 <clive> What about the "current langugae not supported ""???? when I run the drivers
May 29 17:11:39 <m_billybob> clive, if you dont find a solution on the beagleboard google groups, then ask on there.
May 29 17:11:46 <Marc_SSL> Is there a guide somewhere that shows how to do this? I'm trying to get a Driver Module/patch running on Angstrom, and have been hitting some road blocks. I'm still pretty fresh at Linux.
May 29 17:12:07 <Rickta59> mined end up in $HOME/angstrom/setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_v2012_12-eglibc/deploy/images/beaglebone
May 29 17:12:22 <Rickta59> mine
May 29 17:13:05 <clive_> HI
May 29 17:13:13 <Rickta59> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ did you find that one Marc_SSL ?
May 29 17:13:28 <Marc_SSL> setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_v2012_12-eglibc/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-mainline-3.2.28-r122a
May 29 17:13:32 <Marc_SSL> in there i find a bunch of uImages
May 29 17:13:35 <Marc_SSL> but I also find one in...
May 29 17:13:38 <clive_> I am trying to install beaglebone 64 bit drivers on windows 8 but it says "current language not supported"
May 29 17:13:52 <Rickta59> you should be looking at the one in the deploy
May 29 17:13:53 <Marc_SSL> setup-scripts/build/tmp-angstrom_v2012_12-eglibc/work/beagleboard-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-mainline-3.2.28-r122a/image
May 29 17:13:53 <clive_> Can someone help please
May 29 17:13:56 <Marc_SSL> Ok
May 29 17:13:57 <m_billybob> clive, if you dont find a solution on the beagleboard google groups, then ask on there.
May 29 17:14:13 <ka6sox> clive, clive_ asking over and over won't get you the answer.
May 29 17:14:32 <Rickta59> after you find the rootfs.tar.bz2 use 'How to Unpack and Boot the Demo Image - the hard way'
May 29 17:14:50 <Marc_SSL> So if I find the repository for the BBxM, I can grab that rootfs and use the uImage I built?
May 29 17:14:59 <KotH> alan_o: http://i.imgur.com/BpZjeXY.jpg :-)
May 29 17:15:21 <ka6sox> m_billybob, +1
May 29 17:15:32 <Rickta59> sorry those were instuctions for the beaglebone black
May 29 17:15:39 <Rickta59> i know nothing about the xM
May 29 17:15:49 <Marc_SSL> No worries, I guess I just have more of a general question.
May 29 17:16:02 <ka6sox> clive clive_ look at the ph0rums/googlegroups/mailinglist for this answer
May 29 17:16:16 <clive> thanks
May 29 17:16:18 <Marc_SSL> If I'm trying to add drivers to Angstrom, can I build the uImage and use the default Angstrom rootfs with this new Image?
May 29 17:16:20 <Rickta59> if you added devices to the image there are libs and firmware possible that need to be in your file system
May 29 17:16:22 <clive> i TRY TO FIND IT NOW
May 29 17:16:24 <ka6sox> if you don't see that question being asked there *then* ask it...
May 29 17:16:36 <ka6sox> THANK YOU FOR SHARING AND GOODNIGHT
May 29 17:16:47 <alan_o> KotH: hehe :)
May 29 17:16:51 <Marc_SSL> Alright, then is it possible to build the rootfs using the oeb.sh or whatever it is and bitbake?
May 29 17:17:00 <ka6sox> yes
May 29 17:17:06 <Rickta59> that seems to be the most successful way
May 29 17:17:28 <Marc_SSL> Ok, where can I find the commands or build the rootfs.tar.gz or whatever, or where do I find it after I built?
May 29 17:18:38 <Rickta59> * bookmarked too many bogus links
May 29 17:18:50 <clive> I cannot fine this group ph0rums/googlegroups/mailinglist ?? How to go there?
May 29 17:20:00 <KotH> http://i.imgur.com/9SN9wU7.jpg <- for the usians here
May 29 17:20:41 <cmicali> yeah that 11 seconds of eurovision spam was pretty rough
May 29 17:20:42 <Sy_> struggling to find any infomation of location of configuration or files that nodejs serves up.
May 29 17:20:43 <cmicali> glad it's over
May 29 17:21:00 <Marc_SSL> Rickta59: Sorry to bother you, I guess I'm just trying to figure this out as soon as possible. Is it possible to put my driver into a module and load it on a prebuilt image?
May 29 17:21:20 <Rickta59> there are several ways
May 29 17:21:23 <Rickta59> the bitbake way
May 29 17:21:40 <Rickta59> setup your beagle with a deve system and kernel headers
May 29 17:21:45 <Rickta59> dev
May 29 17:21:53 <Rickta59> switch distros
May 29 17:22:03 <Rickta59> all my links are related to the BBB
May 29 17:22:50 <Marc_SSL> I'm sure I could still learn the general gist if you have a few very useful ones.
May 29 17:22:51 <Rickta59> * time to cull all the ones with misleading info from my bookmarks
May 29 17:22:51 <koen> Marc_SSL: bitbake <something>-image
May 29 17:22:54 <thurgood> I use the oe/bitbake system.. pretty straight forward although it takes a while
May 29 17:23:11 <panto> ok, google doc setup
May 29 17:23:12 <Marc_SSL> koen: I used that and when I did I can't find the rootfs, just the uImage
May 29 17:23:16 <koen> Marc_SSL: you need to decide which image you want, it will only built a rootfs if you ask it to build a rootfs
May 29 17:23:34 <Marc_SSL> Oh, what is the command to build a rootfs then?
May 29 17:23:48 <koen> Marc_SSL: what command did you issue and what files did you find in deploy/<machine>/ ?
May 29 17:23:51 <thurgood> did you build console-image, or better?
May 29 17:24:12 <Marc_SSL> MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel -c deploy
May 29 17:24:14 <Marc_SSL> is what I used
May 29 17:24:18 <Marc_SSL> I think I want console-image though
May 29 17:24:26 <thurgood> that would build only the kernel :)
May 29 17:24:30 <Marc_SSL> I'm trying to add a camera driver I modified to the kernel
May 29 17:24:38 <Marc_SSL> D'Oh! xD
May 29 17:24:40 <thurgood> and the necessary support files
May 29 17:24:43 <Marc_SSL> Well ok haha
May 29 17:24:47 <Marc_SSL> So do I want console-image?
May 29 17:25:03 <Marc_SSL> in my deploy file I found:
May 29 17:25:09 <thurgood> if you want just the console for your rootfs, yes
May 29 17:25:50 <Marc_SSL> Console meaning I would have to minicom in and use command line?
May 29 17:25:57 <thurgood> don't remember what builds the X11environment anymore, but you can probably find that info easily on the angstrom site
May 29 17:26:04 <thurgood> no
May 29 17:26:04 <m_billybob> ka6sox, yeah that question had been asked and possibly answered on the googlegroups. I dont read every single message, and typically just auto delete repeats that arent of interrest to me :/
May 29 17:26:28 <thurgood> console meaning local console
May 29 17:26:28 * m_billybob gets like 100 mails a day
May 29 17:27:05 <thurgood> direct framebuffer through (generally) text
May 29 17:27:35 * panto releases the kraken: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?usp=sharing
May 29 17:27:38 <thurgood> no XWindows
May 29 17:27:46 <Marc_SSL> Alright, so what exactly does console-image build?
May 29 17:27:51 <cmicali> panto nice
May 29 17:28:30 <Marc_SSL> All I need is a command line only (no GUI) Angstrom
May 29 17:28:34 <thurgood> not sure exactly, it builds a good framework that you can add to with opkg though
May 29 17:28:47 <Marc_SSL> Oh perfect, so it builds something that will boot?
May 29 17:28:50 <m_billybob> Marc_SSL for me it built everything but the rootfs
May 29 17:28:57 <m_billybob> on the beaglebone black
May 29 17:29:03 <Marc_SSL> m_billybob: How did you get the rootfs then?
May 29 17:29:03 <m_billybob> well for*
May 29 17:29:07 <thurgood> yes
May 29 17:29:22 <thurgood> it will build the rootfs
May 29 17:29:24 <m_billybob> Marc_SSL i quite  messing with IE / bb shortly after that
May 29 17:29:32 <m_billybob> OE*
May 29 17:29:59 <Marc_SSL> Ok, so it sounds like I need to try console-image, I will repeat what I did but not use virtual/kernel this time :P
May 29 17:30:08 <koen> panto: s/eMCC/eMMC/ in the faq
May 29 17:30:09 <Marc_SSL> Thank you all for the great advice, I'll let you know how it goes
May 29 17:30:29 <panto> koen, good catch
May 29 17:30:37 <m_billybob> Marc_SSL, good luck :)
May 29 17:30:50 <Marc_SSL> m_billybob: Thanks!
May 29 17:32:17 <m_billybob> thurgood, so i wonder why it didnt not build the rootfs for me ? I only built console-image, and not virtual/kernel?
May 29 17:32:47 <m_billybob> After 3-4 days i lost patience finding instructions so just gave up.
May 29 17:33:12 <zzz> Hi! I would like to ask whether it is possible to get a summary of Angstrom Distribution changes for the recent images published on the official BBB site?
May 29 17:33:21 <koen> panto: in the dtbo example in the gpio2_8 comment: s/hardward/hardware/
May 29 17:34:41 <ka6sox> zzz, there are commit comments in the github repos with what changes have been done.
May 29 17:35:29 <koen> panto: and can you rename peripheral1 to peripheral0, my browser font makes it hard to distinguish between '1' and 'l'
May 29 17:36:17 <zzz> ka6sox, thanks.
May 29 17:39:24 <ka6sox> arrrrrgh...is musb any better in 3.x kernels?
May 29 17:41:03 <ka6sox> anyone ssh'd into a BBB that can: cat /etc/bonetag and post it here?
May 29 17:41:22 <koen> dogtag
May 29 17:41:34 <ka6sox> dogtag...sorry
May 29 17:41:40 <ka6sox>  /etc/dogtag
May 29 17:42:01 <_av500_> 4.x is all the rage
May 29 17:42:26 <ka6sox> _av500_, for what?
May 29 17:42:28 <georgem> ka6sox: FWIW 3.8.x was pretty broken on beaglebone until just a couple of days ago when koen pushed this commit: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/commit/35a3abaaa7a44cdec3e4c63407b48d7cdc2a8533
May 29 17:43:08 <_av500_> ka6sox: musb
May 29 17:43:20 <_av500_> by then it will get backports from 6.x
May 29 17:43:27 * ka6sox mutters to himself....
May 29 17:43:31 <_av500_> time travell
May 29 17:43:37 <ka6sox> -l
May 29 17:43:43 <_av500_> +1
May 29 17:43:58 <Sy_> There are several books available on Amazon for Angstrom and beaglebone, can anyone reccommend one ?
May 29 17:43:58 <ka6sox> you have proven koen's point about 1 and l
May 29 17:44:19 <georgem> Sy_: I think you have to go to a university to learn about that.
May 29 17:44:24 <cmicali> ka6sox: Cloud9 GNOME Image 2013.05.20
May 29 17:44:48 <georgem> Sy_: j/k. I haven't seen the books. There is plenty of free info online though.
May 29 17:44:51 <ka6sox> cmicali, thanks
May 29 17:44:59 <_av500_> Sy_: whihc ones?
May 29 17:45:07 <Sy_> mmmm... :) I'm 43, been coding since the says of the zx81....I think I'm ok :)
May 29 17:45:26 <_av500_> phew, I'm not the oldest here....
May 29 17:45:34 <Sy_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=angstrom+linux&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aangstrom+linux
May 29 17:45:49 <georgem> Sy_: I know. I'm just kidding. It was in reference to something that was being discussed earlier.
May 29 17:45:56 <Sy_> My favourite home PC was the C64
May 29 17:46:00 <Sy_> loved 6502
May 29 17:46:07 <panto> Sy_, +10000
May 29 17:46:09 <ka6sox> Sy_, +1
May 29 17:46:14 <panto> cut my teeth there too
May 29 17:46:21 <ka6sox> okay +1e28
May 29 17:46:32 <_av500_> Sy_: one is not even out
May 29 17:46:32 <Sy_> Raster interrupts, remember the first time I got 64 sprites on the display very cool.
May 29 17:46:38 <_av500_> the other is from jkridner_
May 29 17:46:44 <panto> and this has been a display of who's an old fart at #beagle...
May 29 17:47:23 <georgem> yeah. sad to say that was a bit before my time.
May 29 17:47:24 <joel_> l
May 29 17:47:32 <_av500_> m
May 29 17:47:37 <ka6sox> n
May 29 17:48:06 <ogra_> o
May 29 17:48:07 <joel_> :-) blame it on the ssh connection
May 29 17:48:21 <ka6sox> works fo rme
May 29 17:49:21 <panto> guys, don't just lurk on the doc, make changes where you see fit
May 29 17:50:39 <Sy_> Was looking for something to give me a bit more background on Angstrom, have been using Centos at work, normally work with QNX....
May 29 17:50:48 <_av500_> who is the squirrel?
May 29 17:51:10 <Sy_> Haven't got a clue on nodejs, where to find the config and document root, have used Apache lots.
May 29 17:51:34 <_av500_> where is <blink>?
May 29 17:54:11 <ka6sox> panto, I don't see it!
May 29 17:54:14 <ka6sox> or I would help.
May 29 17:54:23 <panto> ka6sox, see what?
May 29 17:54:53 <panto> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?usp=sharing
May 29 18:00:29 <Sy_> So where are you guys from?
May 29 18:00:38 <panto> we come from the internets
May 29 18:00:40 <Humpelstilzchen> Sol
May 29 18:02:33 <_av500_> I'm just line noise
May 29 18:02:54 <mdp> it's cold as hell out here where I am
May 29 18:02:58 * Humpelstilzchen attaches a few caps on av500 
May 29 18:03:15 <SpeedEvil> mdp: 3 kelvin?
May 29 18:03:23 <Sy_> Summer has been very dull and pityful this year
May 29 18:03:30 <panto> mdp, are you superconducting?
May 29 18:04:17 <mdp> and supercolliding
May 29 18:04:31 <_av500_> panto: I fixed you all cases of double space :)
May 29 18:04:38 <panto> lol
May 29 18:04:42 <panto> thx
May 29 18:04:47 <_av500_> np
May 29 18:04:55 <_av500_> now working on the kerning
May 29 18:04:57 <panto> I think you've also added a new Q & A
May 29 18:05:06 <panto> I was hoping mru would do that
May 29 18:06:16 <_av500_> he can polish some glyphs
May 29 18:06:39 <thurgood> are the sgx modules for the omap3530 compatible with the dm3730
May 29 18:06:46 <_av500_> no
May 29 18:06:55 <_av500_> I think not
May 29 18:07:38 <Sy_> FInally....found it the default doc.root is in /usr/share/bone101/
May 29 18:08:21 <_av500_> panto: noooo
May 29 18:08:37 <mranostay> *whew* the channel has calmed down
May 29 18:08:43 <panto> I think a bear is messing with comic sans
May 29 18:08:54 <_av500_> roar
May 29 18:09:02 <_av500_> mranostay: yes, panto set us on a task
May 29 18:09:17 <_av500_> DDD
May 29 18:09:21 <_av500_> deface dt doc
May 29 18:09:37 <panto> I read that as bra size
May 29 18:09:40 <panto> I was confused
May 29 18:10:58 <georgem> yes, much calmer now
May 29 18:11:16 <_av500_> I took my meds
May 29 18:11:21 <koen> thurgood: sort of
May 29 18:11:30 <koen> thurgood: the kernel modules are, the userspace libs aren't
May 29 18:11:42 <koen> thurgood: the sgx in the 3530 needs a lot (>100) sw fallbacks
May 29 18:12:16 <_av500_> ah right
May 29 18:12:29 <_av500_> s in sgx means SW
May 29 18:13:09 <mranostay> panto: this is a family channel
May 29 18:15:00 <panto> time to eat dinner
May 29 18:15:03 <georgem> Has anyone tried booting the am335x-evm with a recent 3.8 beagle kernel?
May 29 18:15:04 <panto> later
May 29 18:15:07 <georgem> later
May 29 18:16:13 <_av500_> georgem: send me one :)
May 29 18:17:13 <georgem> _av500_: I don't have one either otherwise I'd try it. I'm just curious because I'm working on some hardware know that also has the tps65910
May 29 18:17:27 <georgem> s/know/now/
May 29 18:18:23 <_av500_> ah
May 29 18:18:46 <_av500_> im lost in all these TPS versions
May 29 18:19:15 <georgem> _av500_: yeah, me too.
May 29 18:19:34 <_av500_> in the beginning there was Triton
May 29 18:20:01 <_av500_> and TI saw it and it as bad and they made 100 different offspring
May 29 18:20:46 <mranostay> _av500_: maybe one will be a NBA star
May 29 18:21:13 <_av500_> panto: are you adding them to annoy me?
May 29 18:21:28 <_av500_> or you learned that in typewriter school?
May 29 18:21:53 <mranostay> typewriter school?
May 29 18:22:07 <thurgood> koen can both user libs be installed concurrently on the the same system?
May 29 18:22:26 <mranostay> KotH: what are your views on chocolate + coffee drinks?
May 29 18:23:22 <thurgood> I suppose I'd need to free the version pins to detect which libs to use at runtime...
May 29 18:23:27 <_av500_> thurgood: if you change lib paths at runtime, ssure
May 29 18:23:33 <georgem> mranostay: Try to "stir" up trouble again?
May 29 18:23:45 <georgem> Trying*
May 29 18:27:07 <KotH> mranostay: swiss chocolate is good, coffee drinks are an abomination that should have never left the us
May 29 18:28:36 <alan_o> KotH: for a while it was a big deal on local news (seemingly a story every couple of weeks) that those coffee drinks are horrible for you (800+ calories). the shock and outrage that drinking chocolate and foam and sugar isn't free.
May 29 18:29:04 <KotH> rotfl
May 29 18:29:11 <alan_o> Apparently people actually thought "oh it's just coffee"
May 29 18:29:19 * georgem sips on some water
May 29 18:29:33 * alan_o is about to head to chipotle :)
May 29 18:29:59 <koen> thurgood: yes, that's what angstrom does
May 29 18:30:10 <mranostay> georgem: always
May 29 18:30:46 * mranostay heads to the chipotle like place in the cafe
May 29 18:32:10 <georgem> The amount of sodium in their food is alarming
May 29 18:36:19 <KotH> as long there is enough chlorine to balance the charge....
May 29 18:38:12 <_av500_> http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/05/21/so-in-dubai-the-amount-of-abandoned-luxury-cars-lying-around-is-kind-of-a-problem/
May 29 18:38:20 <_av500_> so thats where koen got the ferrari
May 29 18:38:25 <georgem> KotH: Plenty of NaCl indeed
May 29 18:39:59 <Sy_> cu l8r...
May 29 18:40:50 * georgem rebuilds the engine in his 1995 mazda
May 29 18:42:21 <KotH> why?
May 29 18:42:24 <levi> What kind of mazda?
May 29 18:42:43 <KotH> mazdas back then were the cheap shit you'd buy when you couldnt aford a real car
May 29 18:42:56 <_av500_> KotH: alsways diplomatic
May 29 18:42:58 <KotH> and they weren't even beautiful or had stile like some other sit
May 29 18:43:12 <KotH> style*
May 29 18:43:41 <KotH> _av500_: georgem hasn't been very diplomatic either...
May 29 18:43:53 <levi> The '95 RX7 was beautiful.
May 29 18:44:10 <_av500_> wnakel ftw
May 29 18:44:16 <_av500_> wankel even
May 29 18:44:28 <mru> wanker engine
May 29 18:44:29 <KotH> ok..if it had a wankel motor, then i could understand it :)
May 29 18:44:39 <KotH> crazy stuff that...
May 29 18:44:54 <georgem> 96 mazda 626. 280k Mi original engine and transmission
May 29 18:44:57 <georgem> 95*
May 29 18:45:07 <levi> 95 Miata was not bad either, though not quite as beatiful as the RX7.
May 29 18:45:10 <panto> back
May 29 18:45:19 <KotH> panto: how was lunch?
May 29 18:45:34 <panto> light
May 29 18:45:39 <mru> long
May 29 18:45:45 <panto> just some crackers+salmon
May 29 18:45:54 <panto> mru, it's too early for the long dinner
May 29 18:46:04 <panto> a good 2 hours early
May 29 18:46:26 <mru> salmon, ugh
May 29 18:46:35 <KotH> good salmon is good
May 29 18:46:45 <KotH> but i prefere tuna for sashimi :)
May 29 18:46:46 <mru> never seen any
May 29 18:46:53 <georgem> KotH: Nothing fast or fancy but engineered to last
May 29 18:48:10 <KotH> georgem: doing it just for fun or with a purpose?
May 29 18:49:02 <mru> purpose of having fun
May 29 18:49:55 <georgem> a bit of both I guess. also nice to be able to take all of money I'm saving on car payments and insurance and invest it.
May 29 18:50:48 <KotH> georgem: hmm..i was to redo my car myself, there would be a damn lot to pay to get it certified for street use
May 29 18:51:13 <georgem> KotH: that would suck. here in the US I don't even have to have it inspected.
May 29 18:51:15 <KotH> more than i would ahve to pay to get a good used car
May 29 18:51:28 <KotH> ^^'
May 29 18:51:51 <mru> do you even have a car?
May 29 18:51:52 <KotH> mandantory inspection every year for cars older than 15y or so
May 29 18:52:00 <KotH> mru: sure i do
May 29 18:52:22 <maxinux> some states have yearly inspections
May 29 18:52:23 <mru> you never mentioned it before
May 29 18:52:29 <maxinux> massachusettes comes to mind
May 29 18:52:36 <georgem> maxinux: yes, true
May 29 18:52:45 <KotH> mru: i like to keep some mysteries about me :)
May 29 18:53:16 <bradfa> panto, ka6sox, mdp, +1 for the dt write up :)
May 29 18:53:29 <georgem> KotH: I also figured if this learning experience went well I could do something a bit more expensive/ambitious the next time around.
May 29 18:53:40 <mdp> bradfa, panto panto panto ;)
May 29 18:53:53 <bradfa> mdp, congrats on the new job, too :)
May 29 18:54:01 <mdp> thanks, bradfa
May 29 18:54:05 <mru> hm?
May 29 18:54:13 <KotH> hm^2?
May 29 18:55:36 <KotH> mru: while we are at mystries, you might find it interestig, that i'm trying to aquire a crystal oscillator that costs as much as a medium sized car :)
May 29 18:56:20 <georgem> KotH: Crystal? Or cesium oscillator?
May 29 18:56:27 <KotH> crystal
May 29 18:56:40 <KotH> a cs beam is slightly more expensive
May 29 18:57:21 <KotH> and as far as i'm aware of, there are no cs "oscillators" (or masers how they are called)
May 29 18:57:38 <mru> crystalline cesium
May 29 18:57:47 <KotH> only beams, fountains and vapors
May 29 18:57:50 <georgem> Ah.. ok.
May 29 18:58:11 <georgem> Does it have an extremely low ppm error?
May 29 18:58:29 <KotH> you aint measuring that in ppm anymore
May 29 18:58:41 <KotH> and it's not error, but stability
May 29 18:58:58 <georgem> right
May 29 18:59:06 <KotH> region of 10^-13 for a couple of 100s
May 29 19:00:17 * georgem looks sadly at his rack mount GPS clock
May 29 19:00:40 * KotH gives georgem a nickel... there buy a real clock
May 29 19:00:52 <mastiff_> how much power can that crystal take?
May 29 19:01:29 <KotH> ?
May 29 19:01:40 <mastiff_> is it for a laser?
May 29 19:02:01 <mru> dilithium crystal?
May 29 19:02:02 <panto> err, some edits are bad
May 29 19:02:16 <mru> edit wars!
May 29 19:02:50 <KotH> mastiff_: yes and no. yes it's for a laser system, no it's not for the laser itself
May 29 19:03:14 <georgem> Building a fusion reactor?
May 29 19:03:26 <bradfa> wait, we're putting lasers on beagles?
May 29 19:03:28 <KotH> that would involve less reading books
May 29 19:03:34 <mastiff_> what makes it so expensive though, the stability or power handling or other?
May 29 19:03:35 <KotH> bradfa: yeah.. run out of sharks
May 29 19:03:46 <KotH> mastiff_: the stability
May 29 19:03:47 <mru> bradfa: shark cape
May 29 19:04:30 <KotH> mastiff_: up to 1000s it's on par with a cs beam standard, up to a couple s it's better than any h-maser
May 29 19:05:18 <mastiff_> are you using the stability for making short pulses?
May 29 19:05:46 <KotH> nope
May 29 19:06:07 <KotH> lasers will be operating cs
May 29 19:06:09 <KotH> cw
May 29 19:06:58 <KotH> and if, i would build a mode locked fs laser myself... but that would involve some serious experimental physics stuff i cannot do at home
May 29 19:07:13 <bradfa> panto, it just kicked me out
May 29 19:07:24 <panto> bradfa, yes
May 29 19:07:26 <panto> sorry
May 29 19:07:29 <bradfa> like can't even read
May 29 19:07:30 <panto> some bad edits going on
May 29 19:07:36 <bradfa> understood
May 29 19:07:40 <panto> I'll turn on read and grant access
May 29 19:07:45 <thurgood> koen thanks for the advice to drop x-loader and use just the files from uboot
May 29 19:08:02 <mastiff_> i did some experiments with Ti saphire lasers, but didn't get the chance to get into setting them up personally
May 29 19:08:29 <panto> ok, granted
May 29 19:08:33 <bradfa> thanks
May 29 19:08:37 <mastiff_> it was a transient absorption spectroscopy setup
May 29 19:08:56 <KotH> mastiff_: http://www.memegen.com/meme/ijko5v
May 29 19:09:43 <panto> ok, opened up for comments
May 29 19:09:54 <panto> anyone needing write access please ask for it
May 29 19:10:10 <mastiff_> Usually starts with buying a very expensive table.
May 29 19:10:15 <KotH> panto: passing around +v?
May 29 19:11:37 <georgem> KotH: Sounds like fun stuff
May 29 19:12:01 <_av500_> panto: I see you kicked me out :)
May 29 19:12:26 <panto> _av500_, log in and ask for perms
May 29 19:12:28 <KotH> georgem: it is... i'm just lacking of a lot understanding in physics and math to do the design... and knowledge in mechanics and electronics to build it
May 29 19:12:35 <panto> the internets are dangerous
May 29 19:12:54 <KotH> panto: the internets are serious business
May 29 19:13:02 <panto> serious business
May 29 19:13:02 <KotH> panto: ..or tubes
May 29 19:13:16 <_av500_> panto: er, where?
May 29 19:13:27 <georgem> KotH: Thats why you have friends in the physics department at the University, to leech their knowledge :)
May 29 19:13:40 <KotH> georgem: i have, and it's over the top of their head :)
May 29 19:14:01 <panto> _av500_, just paste your email address you use to login to google services
May 29 19:14:40 <KotH> georgem: beside... you cannot leech that kind of knowledge. you have to aquire it yourself
May 29 19:14:46 <georgem> KotH: I can sympathize with that (although I'm no physicist).
May 29 19:15:31 <KotH> georgem: well.. that's why i recently bought a couple of physics books...
May 29 19:15:47 <KotH> a few of those are actually quite good bedtime reads
May 29 19:16:02 <georgem> KotH: Cool
May 29 19:16:23 <georgem> Better than wasting time in the physics department as a TA :P
May 29 19:17:19 <KotH> i actually thought aboute taking a few lectures in modern physics... but the prob is, i have no chance to follow a class full of physics students who know multiple times of what i do in math and physics...
May 29 19:17:23 <mru> ta is fun
May 29 19:18:14 <georgem> Some people might be into that sort of thing but its not my cup of tea.
May 29 19:18:38 * KotH is with mru there
May 29 19:18:44 <KotH> ta is fun
May 29 19:19:09 * KotH thinks about applying for a "ta" job in chemistry... teaching elementary school children :)
May 29 19:22:48 <Guser> KotH: do what I do
May 29 19:23:07 <Guser> KotH: online university on youtube :)
May 29 19:23:11 <KotH> lol
May 29 19:23:23 <Guser> works great I must say
May 29 19:23:35 <KotH> Guser: not structured enough
May 29 19:23:36 <Guser> if you can sit on your chair for 3 hours and study (i think we all can)
May 29 19:23:39 <KotH> Guser: missing a lot of stuff
May 29 19:24:04 <Guser> KotH: you can find whole courses from well respected universities with homework and everything nowdays
May 29 19:24:20 <KotH> Guser: even at graduate level?
May 29 19:24:43 <KotH> Guser: i know there has been undergraduate stuff around since the 70s
May 29 19:24:57 <KotH> Guser: the germans called it "Telekolleg" :)
May 29 19:24:58 <Guser> KohT: I did a few sting theory classes...
May 29 19:25:14 <KotH> Guser: simplified or the real stuff?
May 29 19:25:14 <Guser> KotH: string theory*
May 29 19:25:24 <Guser> KotH: the real stuff.
May 29 19:25:33 <KotH> oh..kay...
May 29 19:25:37 <mru> sting theory about wasps?
May 29 19:25:39 <KotH> then i have to look at it again
May 29 19:25:40 <Guser> KotH: look into it, you can find really nice stuff if you're into it
May 29 19:26:01 <Guser> mru: *string theory
May 29 19:26:05 <KotH> Guser: uhm.. i think you missed that before... i'm enrolled at our local university, working at my second degree :)
May 29 19:26:24 <KotH> Guser: beside doing a lot of other sciency stuff in my free time
May 29 19:26:27 <georgem> KotH: So when you need it most you admit the University system fails you are you teach yourself. Yet suggest teaching yourself cannot suffice alone? Seems illogical to me.
May 29 19:26:29 <Guser> KotH: oh.. yeah I missed that :)
May 29 19:26:43 <KotH> georgem: nope, the university system doesnt fail
May 29 19:26:44 <georgem> s/are/and/
May 29 19:27:02 <KotH> georgem: my problem is that i have to pay my bills. ie i have to work.
May 29 19:27:23 <georgem> KotH: failed to teach you what you want to learn, no?
May 29 19:27:34 <KotH> georgem: nevertheless, i'm enrolled at the university and study psychology and chemistry
May 29 19:27:53 <KotH> georgem: the physics stuff is for leasure in my other free time
May 29 19:27:57 <KotH> georgem: uhmm.. no
May 29 19:28:47 <KotH> georgem: i cannot study _everything_ in parallel in one round at university. it's just not possible due to time restrictions
May 29 19:29:24 <Guser> KotH: at the end of the day before I go to sleep I watch one lecture from a random subject which intrests me.. one at a time.
May 29 19:29:32 <KotH> georgem: if i could, i would study full time at the universty and not work anymore. but who is then going to buy me chocolate?
May 29 19:29:47 <Guser> gf? mom?
May 29 19:29:52 <KotH> Guser: ah.. i read a random book on something that interest me :)
May 29 19:29:59 <georgem> KotH: Maybe I would do that too if I could. This is the real world though :)
May 29 19:30:10 <ka6sox> KotH, you should start a chocolate export business...
May 29 19:30:23 <KotH> Guser: my needs for chocolate are greater than you expect... and we are not talking about the amount of books i consume, yet :)
May 29 19:30:49 <Guser> KotH: hehehe allright then
May 29 19:31:05 <georgem> Studying at the university doesn't feed/cloth/house 5 mouths.
May 29 19:31:24 <KotH> ka6sox: would you be my faithfull customer and buy chocolate worth a couple 1000 CHF every month?
May 29 19:31:32 <mranostay> goddamit this again?
May 29 19:31:34 <KotH> georgem: that's why i work 80%
May 29 19:31:44 <KotH> mranostay: go back to the bar!
May 29 19:31:58 <mranostay> can't i'm at work
May 29 19:32:10 <KotH> mranostay: then get a glass of water
May 29 19:32:28 <panto> time to go
May 29 19:32:30 <panto> bbt
May 29 19:32:40 <KotH> panto: enjoy dinner
May 29 19:32:55 <panto> heh, touch?
May 29 19:33:51 <georgem> KotH: At one point I enrolled at a University while I was working, figured I'd give it a shot. I found they were openly hostile to anyone outside of their standard mold. Classes only offered during the middle of the work day, increased tuition rates for part time students, etc.
May 29 19:34:12 <KotH> georgem: rotfl
May 29 19:34:33 <KotH> georgem: classes are during work day because, classes _are_ the work of students
May 29 19:34:46 <KotH> georgem: most universities do not expect people working full time
May 29 19:34:54 <georgem> Right
May 29 19:35:23 <georgem> Just one more reason they can kiss my ass :)
May 29 19:35:29 <KotH> why?
May 29 19:35:45 <KotH> i have classes in the middle of the day and i attend them
May 29 19:35:55 <ka6sox> KotH, I don't think my Chocolate budget is that high
May 29 19:36:10 <KotH> ka6sox: damn... and i had still hopes...
May 29 19:36:14 <georgem> KotH: Maybe in your situation that would work. University is a 45 minute drive from my office
May 29 19:36:26 <KotH> georgem: 30min here
May 29 19:36:42 <ka6sox> mine depends on time of day
May 29 19:36:43 <georgem> KotH: well, kudos for the determination
May 29 19:36:52 <ka6sox> 8am: 30minutes 8pm: 10minutes
May 29 19:37:03 <KotH> georgem: s/determination/crazyness/
May 29 19:37:21 <KotH> ka6sox: eh.. conguested roads? :)
May 29 19:37:36 <georgem> KotH: I tried it for a while and I decided benefit < cost
May 29 19:38:09 <ka6sox> KotH, they are "fixing" the main road into Uni here.
May 29 19:38:24 <KotH> ka6sox: for how many years?
May 29 19:38:26 <ka6sox> and the alternative road has construction too.
May 29 19:38:31 <ka6sox> 2yr so far...
May 29 19:38:38 <KotH> not to bad
May 29 19:38:49 <ka6sox> heh
May 29 19:39:08 <KotH> ka6sox: they have been reconstructing the central train station here for 8 or 9 years
May 29 19:39:19 <KotH> ka6sox: they are planing to continue for another 3 or so
May 29 19:39:40 <ka6sox> this isn't like building a Base Tunnel...its a 4 lane road :P and straight even!
May 29 19:39:41 <georgem> KotH: I live in the USA. What is a train station? lol
May 29 19:40:11 <mru> KotH: like painting the forth bridge
May 29 19:40:33 <georgem> And sense everyone drives... They need to park. And thats a whole mess in and of it self.
May 29 19:40:33 <KotH> ka6sox: in our case, they are building a tunnel under the whole city... including a complete new train station underneath the old train station
May 29 19:40:46 <ka6sox> KotH, thats not the same thing...
May 29 19:40:57 <ka6sox> this is shoring up a road next to a creek
May 29 19:40:59 <KotH> ka6sox: you know... siwss like to dig tunnels
May 29 19:41:18 <ka6sox> if you didn't have mountains you wouldnt' have to do this you know...
May 29 19:41:19 <KotH> swiss would build a tunnel under the creek
May 29 19:41:21 <thurgood> does fbset give the pixel clock speed?
May 29 19:41:39 <mru> it should
May 29 19:41:48 <KotH> thurgood: i remember it telling something ot that amount somewhere
May 29 19:41:57 <georgem> KotH: Live in switzerland? Closest I've been was Grenoble, France. I'd like to see Switzerland.
May 29 19:41:58 <KotH> thurgood: but it's been >10y since i last used fbset
May 29 19:42:02 <thurgood> that's what I thought, but was unsure
May 29 19:42:34 <ka6sox> I just hope we won't have any more Shake and Bake here... an 1800 acre fire + 4.6 earthquake is not a good way to start a morning :P
May 29 19:42:45 <KotH> ka6sox: ouch
May 29 19:42:59 <KotH> ka6sox: any problems from the quacke?
May 29 19:43:02 <KotH> quake*
May 29 19:43:10 <georgem> 4.6 quake is pretty minimal
May 29 19:43:49 <KotH> georgem: uhmm.. a 4.6 might kill people here...
May 29 19:44:05 <KotH> georgem: we dont have our bookshelves fixed to the walls
May 29 19:44:24 <georgem> KotH: ah ok. I grew in California so its different.
May 29 19:44:28 <georgem> up*
May 29 19:44:56 <KotH> georgem: i've been in .jp for some time, i know how fast you get used to shaking things
May 29 19:45:34 <KotH> "oh.. the whole building is shaking"..."hmm.. it's still shaking"...."maybe i should hold my glass before it walks of the table"
May 29 19:46:02 <georgem> yeah
May 29 19:46:29 <ka6sox> georgem, I'm on the pacific plate....so I grew up with them too.
May 29 19:46:59 <mru> there was a 3.8 quake in wales today
May 29 19:47:29 <KotH> mru: felt anything?
May 29 19:47:37 <georgem> I'm pretty sure we used to get those in California on a monthly basis.
May 29 19:47:51 <ka6sox> georgem, what part?
May 29 19:48:06 <georgem> ka6sox: Bay area
May 29 19:48:14 <KotH> georgem: tokyo gets a 5 every month or two :)
May 29 19:48:33 <ka6sox> KotH, but they have better engineered buildings
May 29 19:48:34 <georgem> KotH: yeah. Japan wins that crown.
May 29 19:48:40 <mru> KotH: I'm not in wales
May 29 19:48:50 <KotH> ka6sox: i wouldnt call them engineered...
May 29 19:49:06 <KotH> ka6sox: cardboard on sticks would be a better description
May 29 19:49:14 <KotH> ka6sox: at least all the two story buildings
May 29 19:49:25 <mru> whatever they are, they're still standing
May 29 19:49:32 <ka6sox> mru, +1
May 29 19:49:33 <KotH> ka6sox: taller buildings and those made of concrete are a different story
May 29 19:50:08 <ka6sox> lunch time...bbl
May 29 19:50:09 <georgem> Bamboo has a pretty high tensile strength
May 29 19:50:21 <KotH> yeah.. and they shake heavily when a japnese lory (aka 10t at most) passes on the main road that is 50m away
May 29 19:51:20 <KotH> no bamboo there
May 29 19:51:33 <georgem> ah ok
May 29 19:52:05 <KotH> http://edgardurbin.com/Japan2006/Images/IMG_2261.jpg
May 29 19:52:12 <KotH> that's what they look like
May 29 19:52:22 <KotH> put paper on all walls and you are done
May 29 19:52:27 <KotH> (seriously)
May 29 19:52:43 <KotH> construction time <5week, usually 3 weeks
May 29 19:53:36 <georgem> KotH: Can't tell from the picture. Are the joints reinforced with steel?
May 29 19:53:57 <KotH> depends on the construction, some are, some are not
May 29 19:54:11 <KotH> i've seen both, but cannot tell what the criteria are
May 29 19:54:25 <Fusty> "Matchstick" construction
May 29 19:55:15 <KotH> yeah.. definitly
May 29 19:55:25 <KotH> and the isolation characteristics are the same
May 29 19:55:51 <georgem> wood is pretty forgiving though. at least its not masonry.
May 29 19:56:03 <georgem> That is when people really die. Like in Haiti
May 29 19:56:12 <koen> panto: can you add me as editor?
May 29 19:59:42 <_av500_> he went to bed
May 29 20:01:49 <KotH> he went for dinner
May 29 20:02:30 <KotH> ka6sox-away: damn you! now i'm contemplating buying books on japanese architecture!
May 29 20:02:58 <KotH> ka6sox-away: as if i wouldnt have already used my book budget for this and next month already
May 29 20:10:03 <georgem> "Bad of_node_put()". This looks fun
May 29 20:21:23 <KotH> good night boys
May 29 20:22:52 <georgem> Good night
May 29 20:33:17 <Gae> Hi
May 29 20:37:12 <djlewis1> lo
May 29 20:37:32 <mru> z
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May 29 20:49:08 <m_billybob> ka6sox-away, ah when did this book hit the "shelf" ? beaglebone and the 3.8 kernel ?
May 29 20:49:48 <ka6sox-away> m_billybob, its a WIP
May 29 20:50:01 <ka6sox-away> and was "published" prematurely imho
May 29 20:50:26 <Rickta59> i thought he just posted so people could comment
May 29 20:51:22 <m_billybob> ka6sox-away, sorry what is a WIP ?
May 29 20:51:29 <ka6sox-away> Work In Progress.
May 29 20:51:39 <m_billybob> ah yeah lol dawned on me just as you said it
May 29 20:51:45 <m_billybob> whom do i give fedback to ?
May 29 20:51:54 <m_billybob> feedback assuming its wanted
May 29 20:53:24 <Marc_SSL> Hi all, is it possible to use Angstrom's build steps and get something that is kernel version 2.6.32?
May 29 20:53:41 <mranostay> anything is possible if you dream
May 29 20:54:06 <m_billybob> dream != do;
May 29 20:54:40 <Marc_SSL> Haha right, I'm trying to do the do part. What I need is a Angstrom kernel running on the BBxM with atleast opkg and some drivers I add.
May 29 20:54:55 <Marc_SSL> I want to add these drivers: https://github.com/Aptina/BeagleBoard-xM/tree/master/MT9P031/Angstrom
May 29 20:55:08 <Marc_SSL> Or maybe more updated drivers that work better.
May 29 20:56:02 <m_billybob> I would assume it is possible, people are running 2.6.* on BBW's now.
May 29 20:56:02 <georgem> Marc_SSL: You just want to rebuild the kernel and not userspace?
May 29 20:56:21 <Marc_SSL> So far I've used the Narcissus Image Builder and, when they were available, I installed the mt9p031 package and got my camera to work correctly. I just could not change register values, I need to change a flag in the source code and reapply the drivers.
May 29 20:56:39 <_av500_> if narcissus builds it, you can biuld it too
May 29 20:57:12 <_av500_> you just need to know what to checkout from git
May 29 20:57:19 <Marc_SSL> georgem: I think so. What I'm modifying are device drivers
May 29 20:57:57 <Marc_SSL> _av500_: Is it possible to apply drivers/patches from the BBxM, as in while I'm actually on it doing stuff?
May 29 20:59:00 <georgem> Marc_SSL: If the driver was built out of tree as a module you could theoretically copy a new version over while it was running and modprobe it
May 29 21:00:41 <Marc_SSL> georgem: Sorry about this next question, I'm kind of a Linux freshie, how do I make the drivers into a module?
May 29 21:02:03 <georgem> Marc_SSL: honestly it would probably be easier just to rebuild the kernel and replace the kernel & kernel-modules while the beaglebone is off with the new ones that you build.
May 29 21:03:56 <Marc_SSL> georgem: Alright, that is what I figured and currently am trying to do. I guess what I'm having trouble with, is how do I take some files that make up the driver and apply it to my Kernel. Right now I'm using the Angstrom's build guide, and have built something, but do I translate all the codes into a patch, or do I literally just dump them in the proper directory.
May 29 21:04:28 <Marc_SSL> I notice on the Aptina instructions, it puts all the code in specific directories of the build tree then cross compiles, should I just mimic this?
May 29 21:06:32 <georgem> Well... First try to build the kernel that want to run with the modifications. Once you get that to work you'll have to add the patches for the modifications.
May 29 21:06:42 <georgem> without the modifications*
May 29 21:08:58 <Marc_SSL> georgem: Alright, as we speak I'm building a full kernel/fs, after I test it I will add patches. So I guess is it as simply as grabbing the camera patches someone else made and adding them to my kernel?
May 29 21:09:44 <petes> can anyone point me to the angstrom platform config file for the BBB? I want to see what everything is configured for pin wise, specifically w1
May 29 21:09:47 <georgem> Marc_SSL: Yes. assuming there is no problems applying them (like the modifications were done to a different kernel version). You should be able to modify the recipe file to use the patches you want to add
May 29 21:10:54 <Marc_SSL> georgem: Perfect, alright, and I guess I just have to add them to the patch directory of my git tree and build?
May 29 21:17:54 <georgem> Yeah. Should be able to add them somewhere under sources/meta-ti/recipes-kernel/linux or something similar to that.
May 29 21:18:53 <ka6sox> petes, look in the dts files thats where that configuration is done
May 29 21:19:05 <ka6sox> (this is kernel not OE)
May 29 21:19:46 <ka6sox> petes, also here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit#heading=h.b2c8no6oayrb
May 29 21:19:59 <ka6sox> however that is a Work In Progress but does explain how things are configured.
May 29 21:20:03 <Marc_SSL> georgem: Perfect, thank you, I apologize for all the questions, I'm a bit of a freshie as I said earlier. I really appreciate it and will let you know how it goes.
May 29 21:21:10 <georgem> Marc_SSL: If you have problems ask back at other time. someone else will likely know more about the openembedded specific steps than I do
May 29 21:21:29 <Marc_SSL> georgem: I appreciate it! Thank you!
May 29 21:21:47 <m_billybob> ka6sox, read half of it, and aside from a few minor gramaticall "errors" ( missing words etc ) seems pretty informative. It all still very confusing to me though, but thats most likly my fault not the books.
May 29 21:22:09 <m_billybob> I'm still very new at this
May 29 21:23:03 <m_billybob> asnwered on very important question i had. "do i need to recompile the kernel to ad new configuration settings"
May 29 21:23:50 <Rickta59> soon enough that 11 year old will take care of it for you m_billybob
May 29 21:23:51 <petes> looks like I have a lot of reading to do. arago seems so much easier
May 29 21:24:17 <m_billybob> Rick, as it stands wulf claims he
May 29 21:24:25 <m_billybob> ll handle it for me. we'll see
May 29 21:24:55 <m_billybob> im dubious but he has surprised me from time to time
May 29 21:31:48 <russell--> petes: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/99zYYVH_m5A/GJUPlsbQgJYJ
May 29 21:33:10 <WanaGo> Can anyone tell me how many posts I need to make before my posts don't have to be approved to be viewed, or is it always like this?
May 29 21:34:23 <abetusk_w> is it possible to hook up a kinect to the beagle black board?
May 29 21:40:51 <petes> yeah I just found that russell. But really I'd like to find out what it's currently configured for
May 29 22:02:06 <SpeedEvil> Has anyone done DAB radio reception?
May 29 22:14:51 <mastiff_> I have rtl-sdr and gnu radio installed, seems to be working, but waiting on hdmi cable to test audio
May 29 22:15:09 <petes> oh another thing. Trying to get my wifi dongle working but I get [   20.114608] rtl8192cu: Loading firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin [   20.117151] usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8192cu [   20.142442] rtlwifi: Firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin not available
May 29 22:15:37 <petes> anyone know why the module would be included but not the .bin files it needs?
May 29 22:19:12 <pres2300> anyone know what the tested operating temperature range of the beaglebone black is?
May 29 22:26:06 <thurgood> petes sometimes firmware is available separately
May 29 22:27:16 <petes> will keep searching
May 29 22:32:37 <thurgood> woot... my conversion from 3530 to 3730 looks promising
May 29 22:35:35 <_av500_> thurgood: thin needle and a steady hand?
May 29 22:37:36 <thurgood> no.... I know we're late to the upgrade party but I just had to get a board running with the new CPU
May 29 22:39:37 <_av500_> SpeedEvil: I have
May 29 22:40:00 <_av500_> 10ys ago
May 29 22:40:06 <SpeedEvil> _av500_: how did you do it?
May 29 22:40:07 <SpeedEvil> oh
May 29 22:40:09 <_av500_> boring
May 29 22:40:19 <SpeedEvil> prime something
May 29 22:40:26 <SpeedEvil> that tended to melt
May 29 22:40:33 <_av500_> with a receiver that a friends company made
May 29 22:40:42 <SpeedEvil> oh
May 29 22:45:35 <_av500_> SpeedEvil: http://www.baycom.de/hardware/dabusb/
May 29 22:45:50 <_av500_> still have thta thing somewhere
May 29 22:46:00 <_av500_> bosch dfire
May 29 22:46:01 <SpeedEvil> hmm
May 29 22:46:40 <SpeedEvil> I'm ideally looking for something that can user the cheap USB ones
May 29 22:48:12 <SpeedEvil> I have a broke waterproof dab radio I want to modernised
May 29 22:48:51 <_av500_> well, there are DAB sticks, no?
May 29 22:49:02 <_av500_> http://www.terratec.net/en/products/NOXON_DAB_Stick_150602.html
May 29 22:49:19 <SpeedEvil> sure
May 29 22:49:47 <SpeedEvil> Linux drivers on arm though
May 29 22:51:21 <_av500_> ah
May 29 22:51:28 <_av500_> no idea about driver situation
May 29 22:51:52 <_av500_> http://linux.terratec.de/noxon_en.html
May 29 22:52:29 <_av500_> terratec is usually cool about linux drivers
May 29 22:52:33 <_av500_> given they have them
May 29 22:52:39 <_av500_> which depends on thiier chipset partners
May 29 22:58:39 <mastiff_> I use the Terratec Tstick
May 29 22:59:19 <mastiff_> it has the RTL2832U chipset and linux drivers
May 29 22:59:31 <mastiff_> $15 off ebay
May 29 23:02:14 <SpeedEvil> mastiff_: For DAB?
May 29 23:03:57 <mastiff_> Not sure if it's for DAB natively or just digital video, I use it for cheap software radio.
May 29 23:04:07 <mastiff_> no DAB in my area
May 29 23:04:52 <mastiff_> didn't see you're looking for dab specifc, not sure on that one.
May 29 23:06:13 <mastiff_> actually if you go to the rtl-sdr site, it shows that a bunch of those cheap usb dongles are DAB radios
May 29 23:10:05 <SpeedEvil> Can you link - I seem not to have found that.
May 29 23:12:00 <mastiff_> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
May 29 23:14:52 <kaektech> mastiff_: how went the gnuradio build? you did that on the bone right?
May 29 23:15:06 <mastiff_> yeah, all on the BBB
May 29 23:15:11 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 29 23:15:18 <mastiff_> took a few hours
May 29 23:15:41 <mastiff_> of compiling once i got the dependencies sorfted out
May 29 23:15:46 <kaektech> natively, yeah i'd imagine so
May 29 23:16:18 <mastiff_> had issues with supposedly missing packages that were already installed
May 29 23:16:32 <mastiff_> installed the *-dev solved most of those
May 29 23:16:48 <kaektech> often does
May 29 23:17:35 <mastiff_> rtl-sdr running on the BBB benchmarks to run the max sample rate of the RTL2832U.
May 29 23:17:38 <SpeedEvil> the only mention I can find on that page of dab alas is a shim to let wine drovers work
May 29 23:17:46 <mastiff_> Haven't benchmarked gnuradio yet.
May 29 23:17:49 <SpeedEvil> which may be tricky on arm
May 29 23:18:35 <mastiff_> no, under the supported hardware, buy one of the ones that says it's for DAB, then you can use it for other frequinces also with rtl-sdr
May 29 23:19:19 <mastiff_> 	ezcap USB 2.0 DVB-T/DAB/FM dongle  or Terratec NOXON DAB/DAB+ USB dongle (rev 2)
May 29 23:20:46 <SpeedEvil> sure
May 29 23:20:55 <SpeedEvil> you can receive raw dab samples
May 29 23:21:08 <SpeedEvil> which does not get you audio at all simply
May 29 23:21:21 <SpeedEvil> dab is an involved codec
May 29 23:21:28 <SpeedEvil> ofdm/.../mp2
May 29 23:24:51 <mastiff_> They are sold commercially as DAB radios with the drivers, and they can be hacked with rtl-sdr to do other stuff.
May 29 23:25:22 <SpeedEvil> sure - for windows
May 29 23:27:28 <mastiff_> not sure, never tried to use mine for DAB, not broadcasted here
May 29 23:37:40 <mru> heh, I was down at the pub, chatting with the barmaid
May 29 23:38:01 <mru> another customer comes up to the bar just as she's saying something about killing someone
May 29 23:38:38 <kaektech> typical day in the nieghborhood?
May 29 23:38:50 <mru> she immediately puts on a smile and says "what can I get you?"
May 29 23:39:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> thinking of making an audio cape with some ethernet streaming capabilities (in and out).
May 29 23:39:40 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> someone was talking about doing something similar a few weeks back.
May 29 23:39:53 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> are you here mystery person that I forgot and am too lazy to read the chat logs about?
May 29 23:40:02 <mru> makes no sense to me
May 29 23:40:10 <mru> there's already ethernet on the board
May 29 23:41:27 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> well, that would be a "feature" of the software on it.
May 29 23:41:55 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i'd make a driver so it looked like a soundcard.
May 29 23:42:01 <mru> what's a cape got to do with it?
May 29 23:42:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> cape would have the audio interfaces.
May 29 23:42:24 <mru> an audio interface cape makes sensse
May 29 23:42:25 <mru> -s
May 29 23:42:47 <mru> ethernet is a different beast
May 29 23:43:01 <kaektech> Isn't there already an audio cape?
May 29 23:43:19 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeah, but i want something nicer, with spdif and whatnot.
May 29 23:43:58 <mastiff_> Gota BBB currently running off the usb port and ethernet port of a wifi router, and accessing it with my laptop via wifi.
May 29 23:44:42 <mastiff_> more convenient than the usb tether
May 29 23:45:07 <kaektech> what does spdif gain you over the audio cape?
May 29 23:45:10 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it would have a nice api for web control too. like shoutcast and whatnot.
May 29 23:45:19 <kaektech> (not an audiphile)
May 29 23:45:25 <kaektech> +o
May 29 23:45:28 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> spdif is digital.
May 29 23:45:39 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and, sometimes you don't have access to analog.
May 29 23:46:08 <mru> spdif cape makes sense
May 29 23:46:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> wouldn't be much point in having just analog in.
May 29 23:46:28 <mastiff_> competing with USB soundcards though
May 29 23:46:30 <kaektech> but audio, as my ears hear it, is analog, and they are always attached to my head
May 29 23:46:54 <mru> kaektech: you should upgrade them
May 29 23:47:13 <mru> I got a set of 24-bit 96kHz ears a while back
May 29 23:47:15 <mru> love 'em
May 29 23:47:54 <pawan> is there any way to do a factory reset of beaglebone board?
May 29 23:48:09 <mru> black or white?
May 29 23:48:15 <pawan> black
May 29 23:48:37 <mru> probably
May 29 23:48:54 <mru> do whatever they do in the factory :-)
May 29 23:49:15 <mastiff_> just flash the lastest image
May 29 23:49:34 <pawan> BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.27.img?
May 29 23:49:56 <mastiff_> you have to boot with the SD loaded with the image, and wait 30min or so for it to be transfered onto the onboard memory.
May 29 23:50:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> 30 minutes!?!?
May 29 23:50:29 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> takes 30 minutes to copy like 3 gigs?
May 29 23:50:35 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i thought emmc was crazy fast.
May 29 23:50:37 <mastiff_> from sd to sd
May 29 23:50:43 <mastiff_> sd to emmc
May 29 23:51:04 <mastiff_> it might be processing the files, not sure on that one
May 29 23:51:04 <mru> emmc is faster than most sd cards
May 29 23:51:16 <mru> but if your sd card is slow..
May 29 23:52:33 <mastiff_> the docs say it normally takes 30min, I'm interested in benchmarking sd card speed, haven't looked for a program for that yet
May 29 23:52:36 <pawan> ok :-), let me do what they do at factory...
May 29 23:52:48 <pawan> do we have some link where i can download older images?
May 29 23:52:53 <pawan> like 8th or 02th?
May 29 23:52:56 <pawan> 20th
May 29 23:53:31 <mastiff_> did you check on the angstrom site?
May 29 23:54:22 <kaektech> Is there some reason why you *don't* want the improvements since it left the factory?
May 29 23:54:37 <mranostay> keep on truck^H^H^H^Htrolling
May 29 23:54:55 <mru> mranostay: troll troll troll
May 29 23:55:29 <pawan> for some reason 8th works better than 20th...i haven't tried 27th
May 29 23:55:48 <mru> make a graph
May 29 23:56:13 <mranostay> mru: so many to choose from though
May 29 23:56:27 <mru> take this one: troll
May 29 23:56:36 <mastiff_> 27th works 5.3x better than 20th
May 29 23:56:53 <kaektech> pie chart, or it didn't happen
May 29 23:57:13 <mastiff_> not sure what's different, haven't read the changes
May 29 23:57:27 <mru> how do you measure the difference?
May 29 23:57:47 <kaektech> fractals
May 29 23:58:04 <mastiff_> fan speed
May 29 23:58:08 <mru> so 5.3 is the fractal dimension?
May 29 23:58:21 <mru> the bone hasn't a fan
May 29 23:58:22 <pawan> nope, the led blinking speed
May 29 23:58:26 <mastiff_> exactly
May 29 23:58:27 <pawan> and the color :)
May 29 23:58:37 <pawan> its darker
May 29 23:58:43 <pawan> thanks anyways bye
May 29 23:58:49 <mastiff_> thermocouple on the ARM
May 29 23:59:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i hear themotriples are better.
May 29 23:59:56 <mru> you haven't tried thermoquads then
May 30 00:00:30 <mru> and octotherms, oh man...
May 30 00:08:08 <kaektech> mru: not the dimension, just a superfluous constant added for the Phoronix guys to *discover*
May 30 00:20:22 <mru> kaektech: I see you've learned the truth about phoronix
May 30 00:35:38 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, ah hey there was just wondering earlier were you've been
May 30 00:35:41 <kaektech> Benchmarks were to made to be broken. The amount of work one needs to use the tool for, however, may differ.
May 30 00:36:21 <mru> benchmarketing
May 30 00:36:50 <m_billybob> benchmarketeering ?
May 30 00:37:35 * mranostay goes for a compiling swordfight
May 30 00:37:48 <mru> 303
May 30 00:39:34 <kaektech> I'll gcc that Sir, and raise you a thousand + 42.
May 30 00:39:51 <m_billybob> infinity +1
May 30 00:40:36 * m_billybob yawns and wonders what hes walked into
May 30 00:44:29 <ka6sox> lvmm/clang...to Infinity...and beyond!
May 30 00:45:23 <mranostay> m_billybob: never ask just experience
May 30 00:48:06 <kaektech> meh. I'm too slow, Phoronix has BBB benchmarks waiting to be published...
May 30 00:48:09 <kaektech> https://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/338101842712092672
May 30 00:48:40 <kaektech> "But does it go to 11?"
May 30 00:57:32 <ds2> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
May 30 01:04:54 <Jazzdude> are there plans for a BeagleBoard Xm successor?
May 30 01:11:51 <ds2> what would you like in the successor?
May 30 01:12:22 <mrpacket_> ds2, two ethernet ports
May 30 01:12:33 <ds2> you can do that today
May 30 01:14:24 <Jazzdude> ds2, maybe more ram, SATA interface, higher clock speed?
May 30 01:14:43 <Jazzdude> I'm only asking because I'm considering to buy a Pandaboard or a Beagleboard
May 30 01:14:58 <Jazzdude> and wanted to know if there's an update to be expected that would affect my decision
May 30 01:15:52 <mrpacket_> ds2 its only 1 ethernet port
May 30 01:15:54 <mrpacket_> ?
May 30 01:15:59 <mrpacket_> unless i missed somethign
May 30 01:16:11 <ds2> mrpacket_: the ethernet port is on USB. you can plug another one into there
May 30 01:16:20 <mrpacket_> oh.. that kind of thernet
May 30 01:16:27 <mrpacket_> you can do that on the beaglebone
May 30 01:16:31 <ds2> it is no different then what is on there
May 30 01:16:39 <ds2> the bone on the other hand is not a USB ethernet
May 30 01:16:41 <mrpacket_> yeah..
May 30 01:16:48 <mrpacket_> its real ehternet
May 30 01:17:03 <mrpacket_> which sets it apart from the likes of the PI
May 30 01:18:50 <Jazzdude> so there are no plans? Then I'm tending towards a Panda. Does anyone have experience with it?
May 30 01:21:02 <mastiff_> yeah i've got a BBB powered off my wifi router via USB and plugged into the ethernet port on the router.
May 30 01:21:47 <mastiff_> two different IPs if it's plugged into laptop with usb and the router with ethernet
May 30 01:22:21 <mastiff_> got sick of the BBB tethered to my laptop
May 30 01:35:55 <joel_> Thank you for the excellent writeup panto, it is clear that the benefits of using DT (code size, churn.. with only a slightly more code in drivers/) far outweigh the pain to adapt to its usage
May 30 01:37:21 <joel_> and the general idea of moving to generic framework as promoted by DT is indeed a maintenance heaven
May 30 01:38:52 <joel_> *promoting usage of other generic frameworks such as pinctrl.
May 30 01:51:35 <m_billybob> ah was going to say there *is* a TI dev board wit hsitara + 2x GbE but heh kind of pricey
May 30 01:51:46 <m_billybob> $200 last i looked
May 30 01:58:26 <mranostay> oh nice my 3 track magstripe reader is here
May 30 02:03:44 <ds2> mranostay: what are you forging?
May 30 02:06:43 <mranostay> first rule of forgery club
May 30 02:07:35 <kaektech> Is to buy a three stripe reader.
May 30 02:11:18 <joel_> It is never disclose your sekrits.
May 30 02:11:31 <joel_> *Is to
May 30 02:12:13 * joel_ gives all DT-haters a kiss.
May 30 02:12:38 <m_billybob> joel_, feeling all warm and fuzzy now with DT ?
May 30 02:13:00 <m_billybob> seems like a solid concept
May 30 02:13:00 <mranostay> joel_: ok no offense but your aren't the person i want a kiss from
May 30 02:13:03 <mranostay> just saying
May 30 02:13:54 <joel_> m_billybob: pretty much
May 30 02:14:08 <joel_> mranostay: heh. Didn't you contrib an example to panto's doc
May 30 02:14:22 <joel_> or did they just add you to the header to tease you
May 30 02:15:23 <mranostay> no i have a few things in koen's evil ventor tree
May 30 02:15:29 <mranostay> *vendor
May 30 02:15:53 * mranostay is reminded he needs to fill out his OSS disclosure paperwork
May 30 02:18:52 <mranostay> joel_: i'm pretty sure putting a false copyright is illegal anywhere :)
May 30 02:20:19 <joel_> mranostay: Is your problem with the raw pinctrl?
May 30 02:21:26 <ketas> is there any embedded board with stable sata?
May 30 02:21:54 <m_billybob> ketas, hmm odroid i think
May 30 02:21:55 <mranostay> ketas: define embedded
May 30 02:22:07 <mranostay> snowball has sata right?
May 30 02:22:10 <m_billybob> semi embedded
May 30 02:22:32 <ketas> mranostay: has small arm soc?
May 30 02:23:29 <joel_> mranostay: meant problem with dt
May 30 02:23:32 <ketas> getting some minitx board probably better idea
May 30 02:23:53 <m_billybob> ketas also cubieboard
May 30 02:23:59 <mranostay> joel_: no i likeDT
May 30 02:24:40 <ketas> also, having port multiplier is somewhat good idea
May 30 02:24:51 <ketas> port multiplier support...
May 30 02:24:55 <m_billybob> http://cubieboard.org/
May 30 02:25:10 <m_billybob> no idea if it has teh proper chipset for that
May 30 02:25:22 <ketas> last time i checked, none of those boards let you multiply sata
May 30 02:26:17 <ketas> need lot of usb-sata bridges to attach disks slowly
May 30 02:26:58 <m_billybob> last i checked couple years back you needed on of two SIL shipsets
May 30 02:27:11 <m_billybob> one of two SIL chips 3132 was one i believe
May 30 02:27:32 <m_billybob> chipset*
May 30 02:27:57 <joel_> mranostay: you're safe then, my kisses are only for DT-haters
May 30 02:29:28 <m_billybob> ketas, however, addonics may have somethign that could help facilitate what you need. been a while since ive browsed their productis as well
May 30 02:29:48 <m_billybob> ---> products
May 30 02:29:50 <ketas> but then again... the weak board might be too slow to get content out of disk and into network anyway
May 30 02:30:07 <ketas> ?
May 30 02:31:28 <mranostay> joel_: HR is getting involved if you kiss random DT-haters
May 30 02:32:04 <m_billybob> ketas, maybe, not sure if a hardware based port multiplier would help or not
May 30 02:33:24 <joel_> mranostay: sorry, oh I forgot Russ's advice. "Sexual harassment is fine but only in HR training videos".
May 30 02:33:38 <ketas> hah
May 30 02:33:45 <m_billybob> ketas, for what its worth addonics sells eSATA<-> USB 3.0 adapters i have not looked at the specs, but these in the past had the proper chipsets in them to be used with port multipliers . . . so yeah backwards compatible with USB 2.0 but you'd lose speed too of course
May 30 02:34:33 <ketas> usb sata bridge that supports port multiplier?
May 30 02:34:36 <ketas> really?
May 30 02:34:55 <m_billybob> sec take a lok for yourself im not 100% positive but theyve done it in the past
May 30 02:35:02 <ketas> hah
May 30 02:35:32 <ketas> although usb to sata is asking for trouble
May 30 02:35:39 <m_billybob> http://www.addonics.com/products/adu3esa.php
May 30 02:36:20 <m_billybob> well in the embedded space / market something like that may be your only option unless you craft some sort of mPCIE and adapt
May 30 02:37:00 <m_billybob> ketas all their I/O converters are here -> http://www.addonics.com/category/io_converter.php
May 30 02:37:32 <joel_> mranostay: you doing stuff on minnow board?
May 30 02:37:42 <ketas> i was just curious about tiny portable system i can take with me in bag and on site i could plug it into network and probably attach some disks to it
May 30 02:39:35 <m_billybob> http://www.addonics.com/products/adu3esam.php
May 30 02:39:39 <m_billybob> that one can handle PM
May 30 02:39:45 <m_billybob> so says the specs
May 30 02:39:55 <joel_> mranostay: HR doesn't know DT so they're fine too.
May 30 02:41:02 <m_billybob> heh the device with PM supports costs $10 more
May 30 02:41:13 <m_billybob> not a biggy at under $30 though
May 30 02:42:29 <m_billybob> ketas also FWIW its JOBD only so no raid but meh RAID is a fad  not needed in this space anyhow
May 30 02:42:38 <m_billybob> ( my own opinion )
May 30 02:43:13 <ketas> i don't require raid, i can do software one if really required
May 30 02:43:27 * m_billybob nods
May 30 02:44:59 <m_billybob> HPM + USB 3.0 is an interresting concept though
May 30 02:45:32 <m_billybob> USB 3.0 maxes out one HDD i have here
May 30 02:45:59 <m_billybob> ~ 85MB/s but file sizes differ
May 30 02:54:37 <m_billybob> heh just had an interresting idea for a game
May 30 02:55:11 <m_billybob> business model is free + eCoin mining. to obtain items in game you need to mine x amount of btc/ecoins
May 30 02:55:53 <ketas> mine bitcoins... become international terrorist (according to us)
May 30 02:56:10 <m_billybob> who said "our" leader have any sense.
May 30 02:56:15 <m_billybob> leaders*
May 30 02:56:41 <m_billybob> or any countries leaders for that matter.
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