**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 30 03:00:00 2013 May 30 03:00:00 "illicit internet banking" May 30 03:00:22 hi, anyone feel like helping out a uboot newbie? Google's been somewhat helpful in helping me get an idea of what is wrong, but I have yet to figure out how to fix the issue I have with my BBB. May 30 03:00:29 funny thing is i suspected somethign like this would happen May 30 03:00:49 the "FED" is probably feeling threatened now May 30 03:00:52 BlueGreen: did you broke it? May 30 03:01:13 BlueGreen ask away May 30 03:02:20 I apologize for not being very familiar with IRC either. Anyway, I followed the first steps with Angstrom and everything worked fine. May 30 03:02:35 For my needs, though, I realized I needed to install a distro to the uSD card. May 30 03:02:39 BlueGreen back up to square one May 30 03:03:05 "first steps with angstrom" <--- not exactly clear May 30 03:03:19 are you building or just installign a prebuilt "image" ? May 30 03:03:43 umm, the tutorial thing you do in Firefox/chrome. I started using just the preinstalled image. May 30 03:03:55 maybe BlueGreen managed to ruin onboard flash like many others May 30 03:04:00 content May 30 03:04:03 i mean May 30 03:04:15 nah, it's booted, and I have an SSH session into it right now, so it boots ;) May 30 03:04:26 so what is wrong? May 30 03:04:30 BlueGreen whats the error message you're getting / symtom ? May 30 03:04:31 The problem is, it won't boot unless I hold down SW2 while turnning it on. May 30 03:04:43 If I don't hold down that switch, it freezes. May 30 03:04:59 sw2 was boot? May 30 03:05:04 BlueGreen, may I assume you're leaving a sd card in the uSD slot ? May 30 03:05:09 yes May 30 03:05:15 blue take it out May 30 03:05:28 uEnv.txt? May 30 03:06:02 problem with this is that in order to boot emmc with sdcard in the uSD slot you need a proper uEnv.txt file on the sd card for the bbb to boot to emmc May 30 03:06:04 Yes, it does boot when the sd card is out, but I have ArchLinux on the SD card. With the button pressed, it boots ArchLinux. May 30 03:06:31 BlueGreen, then the arch/linux build steps should include instructions for boooting from SD May 30 03:06:38 BlueGreen: so what's wrong? May 30 03:06:42 e.g. what to put in the uEnv.txt file May 30 03:07:02 ah May 30 03:07:14 The arch linux instructions had an image of the boot partition which includes uEnv.txt May 30 03:07:21 BlueGreen: if it boots both into original system and one in sd card, then what's wrong? May 30 03:07:45 mmm May 30 03:07:51 What I'm trying to do is turn it on while the SD card is in, and have it boot ArchLinux without needing to hold down the button. May 30 03:08:04 oh May 30 03:08:08 finally clear May 30 03:08:21 From what I've searched, this seems possible, but it relies on having uEnv.txt correct. May 30 03:08:22 BlueGreen, this is a known "feature" of uboot. there is a way, but you need certain params in uEnv.txt and that i am unsure of May 30 03:08:43 or just nuke MLO on the eMMC May 30 03:08:43 how about just rename MLO in emmc May 30 03:08:48 BlueGreen one sec i have a link May 30 03:08:51 :> May 30 03:08:56 also you can't compile on the SD if it's fat format May 30 03:09:09 dm8tbr: how did you manage to say that same second as i did? May 30 03:09:15 Well, I would kind of like to keep the eMMC intact just in case something happens to the SD. May 30 03:09:16 format it md2 or md4 May 30 03:09:25 ketas: magic! (obviously) May 30 03:09:29 mastiff_, i think you're the only gluton for punishment ive heard of that compiles from the bbb :P May 30 03:09:32 format it md... what? May 30 03:10:03 you guys are kernal compiling, i'm just compiling small stuff May 30 03:10:04 we need dip switch along the boot button May 30 03:10:06 :P May 30 03:10:08 * joel_ plans to be another glutton of punishment too for a different bbb project May 30 03:10:24 BlueGreen -> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black this is for debian, but if you scroll down to the uEnv.txt instructions it may give you some insight May 30 03:10:44 joel_: can x86 help here? May 30 03:10:49 BlueGreen: you can't keep emmc intact if you want to boot from sd by default May 30 03:11:07 BlueGreen: unless you want to solder bridge on pcb May 30 03:11:08 that image will boot debian with sdcard inserted, no S2 pressing needed, and wil boot whatever the emmc has on it if the sd card is removed May 30 03:11:24 hmm May 30 03:11:27 BlueGreen is somethign like that what you're after ? May 30 03:11:41 mranostay: I have very few x86 boxes :). I can see a shift in your preferences due to recent events, ARM->x86 :-P May 30 03:11:54 Yes, m_billybob, that's what I'm after. I like the idea that I can boot the eMMC if the card isn't there. May 30 03:12:04 me too. May 30 03:12:10 joel_: my loyality can be bought :) May 30 03:12:19 seems x86 was the higher bidder :P May 30 03:12:22 those instructions may work for you, that im not sure of. could always test May 30 03:12:42 you may need to rename drives etc May 30 03:13:01 no idea how arch/linux names paths etc May 30 03:13:13 BlueGreen: fortunetely, the broad is easy to recover from if you manage to even screw up the boot May 30 03:13:20 fortunately May 30 03:13:45 jkridner_: we need more funding ^^^^. seems like people are converting to x86 soon. May 30 03:13:56 id simply remove the card put it on my cross system and rewrite uEnv.txt on the boot part if i messed somethign up May 30 03:14:11 mranostay: Next beagle will be , beagle86? :P May 30 03:14:15 joel_, blasphemy. May 30 03:14:42 burn the witch ! May 30 03:14:45 m_billybob: what if card is attached on board? May 30 03:14:50 :) May 30 03:14:59 joel_: x86 cape? May 30 03:15:01 burn burn burn. and toss in all the DT-haters too while you're at it. May 30 03:15:02 m_billybob, thats okay as long as TI put is out right? May 30 03:15:05 ketas i havent figured that part out yet lol May 30 03:15:11 joel_, +1 May 30 03:15:16 mranostay: hehe. that'll work May 30 03:15:34 joel_: had to rework all my ELC submissions :) May 30 03:15:34 root@beaglebone:~# root@beaglebone:~# cat /sys/devices/ocp.2/helper.11/AIN1 -sh: root@beaglebone:~#: command not found May 30 03:15:35 TI put is out ? is == us ? May 30 03:16:06 Hmm, somehow I get the feeling this won't be so easy for me. I don't have an active linux distro installed on my desktop or laptop. May 30 03:16:20 I need to find a desktop distro that I can be happy with, lol. May 30 03:16:24 ka6sox: :P May 30 03:16:28 mranostay: haha, I can imagine May 30 03:16:31 BlueGreen: just edit uenv on usb drive May 30 03:16:45 BlueGreen: a vm is also option May 30 03:16:51 BlueGreen i just use netinstall of debian wheezy for my hackery / cross dev May 30 03:17:06 e.g. cli May 30 03:17:10 i think intel has a limited license to xscale still May 30 03:17:13 I have a ubuntu live cd. That's what I used to get this far, lol. May 30 03:17:16 maybe i can do that :P May 30 03:17:21 BlueGreen: boot vm May 30 03:17:26 did this AIN1 file get moved? May 30 03:17:32 BlueGreen, i have a second laptop that dual boots wheezy ;) May 30 03:17:38 BlueGreen: it's so easy nowadays May 30 03:17:45 m_billybob: sorry, not enough wood for the fire. Intel has lot of folks, and now CCO is joining them too. Moreover we're making mranostay an exception because he's one of us May 30 03:17:58 BlueGreen also provides NFS /home May 30 03:18:00 BlueGreen: provided that you have no other access to uenv May 30 03:18:08 how to read analog inputs, this didn't work for me http://hipstercircuits.com/reading-analog-adc-values-on-beaglebone-black/ May 30 03:18:31 BlueGreen: but you can also edit uenv.txt inside original system May 30 03:18:38 joel_, intel is fine, on the desktop. embedded space meh, mixed feelings May 30 03:18:38 oh, I guess this is one point I'm kind of lost on. Which partition's uEnv.txt do I need to edit? The SD card's boot partition has one, and there's one on each partition of the eMMC. May 30 03:18:56 em May 30 03:18:57 blue the vfat one /boot May 30 03:19:12 will be around 64MB in size perhaps May 30 03:19:21 no idea of the steps you've followed May 30 03:19:38 joel_, can DT help here? May 30 03:19:39 The boot partition on the card is 64MB, I'm not sure about the boot partition on the eMMC right off hand. May 30 03:19:45 there are more than one uEnv.txt? May 30 03:19:47 since when May 30 03:20:06 you need edit one on emmc May 30 03:20:14 ka6sox: hehe, you never know. you can always add new DT bindings May 30 03:20:19 BlueGreen, emmc unless you've modified it should be similar but be careful and make abosulutely sure you're gettign the right one May 30 03:20:26 true... May 30 03:20:31 absolutely sure* May 30 03:20:37 joel_: don't bunch me in with you weirdos :P May 30 03:20:44 If you plug in the BBB with default image and no SD card, there's one that shows up in the thumb drive storage area (I have no idea why). And there's another one in another partition which appears to be the real boot partition. May 30 03:21:03 hm? May 30 03:21:20 BlueGreen, yeah perhaps mass storage magic hand waving ? *no idea* May 30 03:21:47 weird May 30 03:21:50 The two that I found on the partitions on the eMMC were identical, but editing one did not change the other. May 30 03:21:52 more than one drive? May 30 03:21:59 gparted was helpful for setting up SD cards May 30 03:22:31 BlueGreen for what its worth . . . May 30 03:23:01 hold one need to pastebin this May 30 03:23:45 http://pastebin.com/hfCUQBKz May 30 03:24:06 only thing ive done to modify the onboard emmc image was opkg upgrade to 3.8.8 May 30 03:24:35 the other is debian on an sd card May 30 03:24:53 m_billybob: how did your opkg upgrade work? :) May 30 03:25:06 worked greate May 30 03:25:09 grat even May 30 03:25:12 bah May 30 03:25:43 but i had some help from someone i know on the msp430 forums who did some very early testing before me May 30 03:26:04 so i pieced together some steps he had trouble with and came up with a workign stregy May 30 03:26:17 err strategy* May 30 03:26:34 you have character loss May 30 03:26:53 multi taskign here i usuall ytype too fast . . . May 30 03:27:07 type more slowly May 30 03:27:08 ok, sorry if I'm a bit slow, so I need to do opkg upgrade while booted without the SDCard in? May 30 03:27:16 no May 30 03:27:33 BlueGreen: that might cause it to fail :) May 30 03:27:50 the coment about opkg update that i did was just to state the emmc is virtually unmodified except for that May 30 03:27:52 maid of fale/ May 30 03:27:55 BlueGreen: then you would need to do the reflash May 30 03:27:58 does this analog out test work for you guys on BBB? http://hipstercircuits.com/reading-analog-adc-values-on-beaglebone-black/ May 30 03:28:27 lol, ok, I guess I'm a bit tired. May 30 03:28:54 -> /dev/mmcblk1p1: LABEL="BEAGLEBONE" UUID="5147-0BEE" TYPE="vfat" somethign similar to that should be the the emmc boot part. the other one is the one you want to modify May 30 03:29:09 the other vfat partition May 30 03:29:17 *should* be your sd card May 30 03:29:17 ah, ok, that makes sense. May 30 03:29:28 make absolutely sure though May 30 03:29:38 yes, when I run blkid, it looks a lot like yours. May 30 03:29:47 hmm May 30 03:29:56 the one labled BEAGLEBONE is the same dev. May 30 03:30:33 hah, so you have both sd card and beaglebone on machine... both showing their boot parts? May 30 03:30:51 * m_billybob nods May 30 03:30:52 try to edit beaglebone one May 30 03:31:13 BlueGreen: device manager might help to find right one May 30 03:31:26 or you could just remove card May 30 03:31:37 ok, I have that one mounted now. May 30 03:31:54 so, I can see the uEnv.txt on the eMMC. May 30 03:32:11 BlueGreen FWIW on the desktop im a windows junky myself, so yeah lol but you do needs a linux cross dev machine if you want life to become somewhat easier May 30 03:32:34 especially if you plan on doing development May 30 03:33:24 userland application you can cross compile from windows, but building workign linux images etc you would be best off with some form of linux May 30 03:34:03 Yeah, for some reason when I installed Win 7 on my desktop, I didn't leave any room for a linux install. I know I could fix it, but I use it mostly for gaming anyway, lol. May 30 03:34:10 cross compiling userland apps from widnows is actually very easy to setup May 30 03:34:30 vm May 30 03:34:42 ketas i use teh windows port of linaro ;) May 30 03:34:46 *VM* May 30 03:34:59 vm is always the answer May 30 03:35:04 My laptop actually is set up for dual boot, but I never quite figured out what was up with the video driver displaying odd colors while booted into ubuntu. May 30 03:35:33 cant help yu there May 30 03:35:40 .me is very anti ubuntu May 30 03:35:49 * m_billybob even May 30 03:35:52 i run fbsd on my laptop May 30 03:36:37 To say the least, I've never liked trying to figure out driver issues for ATI graphics on either Windows or Linux. I much prefer to deal with nVidia. May 30 03:37:44 brb dogs to walk May 30 03:39:17 Hi, Can anyone help me on how to access the gpio on the Pin 8 using the sysfs entry? May 30 03:39:33 simply cat to the file, or read the file May 30 03:40:48 maxinux: where are the file locations for the various pins documented? May 30 03:40:59 I tried to do the same by echo 39 > /sys/class/gpio/export May 30 03:41:52 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beagleboard/Uvfqt8V7fhA May 30 03:41:54 and then echo out > /sys/class/gpio/gpio39/direction;echo 1 > /sys/bus/gpio/gpio39/value May 30 03:43:12 But the voltage levels in the pin did not change May 30 03:46:10 are you on the right pin May 30 03:46:13 Hi all, quick question, when I follow the Angstrom build instructions for the BeagleBoard, I run it successfully, but in the ..../tmp/deploy/images/beagleboard folder, there are several different MLO, u-boots, rootfs, and uImage files. Which ones do I pick? What does that arrow at the top right of the icon mean (noob question, sorry about it)? May 30 03:46:14 the pinout is ... obscure May 30 03:46:30 Marc_SSL: what beaglboard? May 30 03:46:38 beaglebone black\ May 30 03:46:44 any reason you dont want to use the image? May 30 03:46:51 with the image you can see what file you need :D May 30 03:46:55 maxinux: BeagleBoard-xM May 30 03:46:59 thanks maxinux, got gpio38 toggling on the BBB May 30 03:47:07 sweet mastiff_ May 30 03:47:21 Marc_SSL: ah.. i got nothing on the xM .. sorry May 30 03:47:36 Have you done BBB? May 30 03:47:59 yeah.. bbb only so far.. and done it from scratch but i had a virgin image i was comparing it to May 30 03:48:11 you might just download an image and mount it to see what it uses :D May 30 03:48:27 ive not found good enough docs to share on that process yet May 30 03:48:31 maxinux: The pin i tried to check the voltage levels for teh GPIO 39 was P8-4 May 30 03:49:03 Hmm, alright, can you atleast tell me what the arrow means at the top right of icons? I see a few files with this and haven't seen it before. Does it mean it is dynamically linked to something? May 30 03:49:28 is it a curled arrow? shortcut most likely May 30 03:49:34 one links to the other May 30 03:49:59 if you look at the mfrom a terminal you will see lrwxrwxrwx for the permission of the file May 30 03:52:08 Ah ok May 30 03:52:09 Perfect May 30 03:52:12 I think it is a shortcut May 30 03:52:23 So then, when I build an SD card, I shouldn't use the shortcut, should I? May 30 03:53:23 the links are convenient to be able to change the file later and easily revert it May 30 03:56:07 Hmm, so I could just plop the shortcuts in my SD partition? May 30 03:56:18 Hi all. Is the GPIO number given in the figures of 192.168.7.2 page of the beaglebone black same for the linux or some offset has to be added to the number? May 30 03:59:20 Marc_SSL: one should be a real file May 30 03:59:24 the other should be a link to that file May 30 03:59:36 Karthikeyan_: i wish i knew :( May 30 03:59:46 there is a funky offset thing in one case May 30 03:59:51 there are so many caveats May 30 04:00:06 Ok, gotchya! May 30 04:00:10 Thanks! May 30 04:00:48 okay.. May 30 04:03:58 BlueGreen, any luck yet ? May 30 04:09:28 not yet, I tried a little bit from the link you sent me. When I rebooted, it had the same response: the leds lit up one after another, then once they were all on, it just stayed that way. May 30 04:10:35 I guess I need to read up more on uboot. I've been pretty pressed for time these last couple of nights, so there's a good chance I'm just a bit too tired to really learn something new like that at the moment. May 30 04:10:44 yeah thats a sign you're boot is failing May 30 04:10:52 your* May 30 04:10:58 Thanks for your help anyway. It's nice to know that I at least seem to be on the right track to fixing this. May 30 04:11:19 no problem and yeap that it seems May 30 04:11:57 BlueGreen: can you load the ubuntu armhf image? May 30 04:12:12 for what its worth . . . uboot boot options are vast. no way im personally goign ot worry about them. perhaps eventually and son you'll find some precoooked uEnv.txt May 30 04:12:15 BlueGreen: see how it works , or look at the oem one May 30 04:12:42 I do have a quick question, though. The default uEnv.txt on the BBB seems to just have one line in it. Somehow that seems over-simplified. The one on the SD card from the ArchLinux boot image has quite a bit more. May 30 04:13:23 Is there any chance that something else kind of controls the boot process by default? May 30 04:13:35 yawn May 30 04:13:56 BlueGreen, yeah i dont know what any pf the params are about. Personally i have other priorities, ill just use someone workign instructions, so i can do what else i need to get done May 30 04:14:48 i did some searching like you and found the differnt parameters between uboot, and kernal params are *vast* turned tail and ran May 30 04:14:56 I guess what I'm getting at is that I keep seeing uEnv.txt being called a script. I wouldn't expect a script that simply sets one variable to be sufficient to boot an OS. May 30 04:15:54 i uess in some way you could view it that way May 30 04:15:58 hehe, yeah, uboot does seem to be rather complex. It's pretty surprising considering its use in an embedded environment. May 30 04:16:09 kind of like a script for uboot and the kernel to know how to boot up May 30 04:17:03 One thing is for certain: this isn't grub, lol. May 30 04:17:45 BlueGreen, yeah it can be used for much more than just the simple stuff the production angstrom uses it for. cant be used for PXE booting, getting / setting IPs at boot etc etc May 30 04:17:49 newp sure isnt May 30 04:18:03 can be use not cant* May 30 04:19:20 I guess being able to set IP at boot is needed in some cases for PXE booting? I noticed that option earlier and thought that was an odd thing for a bootloader to have an option for. May 30 04:19:31 Hi, How can we access the uboot using the thethering mode in BBB? May 30 04:19:58 BlueGreen grub can be used this way also May 30 04:20:30 atleast for PXE booting May 30 04:21:24 I guess I never really dug into the subject with grub. Somehow grub just always worked, lol. Much better than the garbage of a bootloader that comes with windows. May 30 04:21:35 i guess the idea behind uboot is that its sammler / more compact, but i cant help but wonder how much space does it really save over grub May 30 04:21:46 smaller* May 30 04:21:59 True, wouldn't grub fit in 64MB, too? May 30 04:22:07 the BBB should support a PXE like boot May 30 04:22:16 passed that is thre an arm compatible grub ? i dont rightly know May 30 04:22:25 ds2 i agree May 30 04:22:40 eh? May 30 04:22:46 what do you mean you agree? May 30 04:22:54 as in you confirmed it with the TRM or? May 30 04:22:55 the BBB should support a PXE like boot May 30 04:23:48 so you confirmed it with the TRM? May 30 04:24:06 i confirmed what ? that the bb should support a PXE like boot ? May 30 04:24:15 just to be clear - I am saying it should do that already. May 30 04:24:24 not suggesting it should do that or have that feature added May 30 04:24:27 im agreeing the bb should support PXE like booting, not that i know whether it does or not May 30 04:24:49 ds2 yeah well if it doesnt that would be a huge ommission May 30 04:24:59 huge omission? May 30 04:25:07 you have ways to reburn ROMs? May 30 04:25:22 stady hand and a powerful laser May 30 04:25:29 I know you can get debugging output about the boot process through the USB cable. I've seen instructions for how to do this in linux, but do you happen to know of a Windows program that could do the same? May 30 04:25:42 dm8tbr: any suggestions as to what to do to decap it? ;) May 30 04:25:57 ds2, somehow i dont think we're in the same conversation. May 30 04:26:09 im talkign abotu one thing you're way off in left field May 30 04:26:20 I could say the same of you :D May 30 04:26:32 except i was already in this conversation. May 30 04:26:38 ;) May 30 04:27:01 anyways May 30 04:27:09 any chance someone has tried netboot on the AM335x? May 30 04:27:36 BlueGreen: on a BBB you'd need a usb-serial adapter for the UART May 30 04:27:49 ds2: as in ROMBL or uboot? May 30 04:27:54 dm8tbr: ROMBL May 30 04:28:07 since the ethernet on the BBB/BBW are native to the chip May 30 04:28:09 interesting May 30 04:28:28 yes, I just realized that this makes it easier May 30 04:28:37 netbooting bones, hmm? May 30 04:28:45 it should be just a matter of configuring sysboot May 30 04:30:06 ok, thanks everyone. I'll take up learning more about uboot once I have some time. May 30 04:31:12 good luck May 30 04:31:38 do any of socs support flashless boot? :) May 30 04:33:01 better question is which SoCs don't support flashless boot May 30 04:33:01 both OMAP and AM33xx support booting over USB and UART May 30 04:33:29 i should have added "over ethernet" May 30 04:33:57 can you read a TRM? May 30 04:35:38 some AM35x, AM33x with native ethernet can boot other ethernet May 30 04:36:32 what i just read seems to indicate that ROMBL is not possible. but yeah was off of stackoverflow May 30 04:36:58 what was the reason? May 30 04:37:15 ds2: what does that mean on ethernet? May 30 04:37:38 what does what mean on ethernet? May 30 04:37:43 booting May 30 04:37:45 ds2 guy who seems very knowledgable didnt list it as an option May 30 04:37:59 read the TRM May 30 04:38:00 only nand/flash usb etc etc May 30 04:38:03 hint: sysboot May 30 04:38:07 m_billybob: what chip? May 30 04:38:12 OMAP4 May 30 04:38:13 DM3730 doesn't have native ethernet May 30 04:38:16 err May 30 04:38:20 the O4 is F'ed May 30 04:38:21 omap4 is not AM335X May 30 04:38:28 doesn't have ethernet either May 30 04:38:37 * m_billybob jus trealized that May 30 04:38:53 check the full complete TRM of the O4 May 30 04:51:20 "The peripheral booting procedure downloads data from a host (commonly a PC) to the device device by May 30 04:51:20 means of Ethernet, USB or UART links. The ROM Code uses a host-slave logical protocol for May 30 04:51:20 synchronization. Upon successful UART, USB or Ethernet connection the host sends the image binary May 30 04:51:20 contents. The peripheral booting procedure is described in detail in Section 26.1.8." May 30 04:51:27 err yeah sorry May 30 04:51:47 page 4540 spu73c May 30 04:52:45 :) May 30 04:54:49 periph options for ethernet == EMAC: 1000/100/10 Mbps Ethernet, using standard TCP/IP network boot protocols BOOTP and TFTP May 30 04:55:54 Hi all, quick question, I successfully built a fully functional console image of Angstrom for the BeagleBoard-xM. How do I apply a patch to it now? May 30 04:56:50 amazing what you find in the TRM May 30 04:58:27 ds2, sure, but not what I was talkign about earlier. i still do not know what some of this means. May 30 04:58:43 e.g. if its what you were after May 30 04:59:02 still interresting May 30 05:00:33 its something ive done on x86 before and tpyed aroudn with a bit May 30 05:00:41 toyed aroudn a bit with* May 30 05:00:44 no ipv6 support yet? :) May 30 05:00:58 for bootp ? why would you need it ? ;) May 30 05:01:02 for booting May 30 05:01:14 well eventually we need it? May 30 05:01:25 for booting from a local address ? May 30 05:01:32 dont think so May 30 05:02:02 boot over v4 forever... don't think so May 30 05:02:20 <_av500_> gm May 30 05:03:03 <_av500_> Marc_SSL: see the openembedded documentation May 30 05:03:13 <_av500_> what you do is to add a patch and add it in the bitbake file May 30 05:03:16 <_av500_> I think May 30 05:03:17 ford May 30 05:03:29 <_av500_> just have a look at existing patches and how they are handled May 30 05:03:43 <_av500_> ds2: I had you more as a prius guy May 30 05:04:05 ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww May 30 05:04:14 over grown RC vehicles May 30 05:04:27 but electric is future May 30 05:05:01 didn't they say that about nuclear a few decades ago? May 30 05:05:46 nuclear does have the highest energy density May 30 05:05:55 that was electric drive too? May 30 05:06:05 or just steam engine May 30 05:06:43 flinstone mobile May 30 05:06:50 I'm still waiting for my Hydrogen powered car. May 30 05:06:54 transportation and exercise all i none package ;) May 30 05:06:59 hybrid electric vehicle is 100 years old May 30 05:07:30 that version of electric borders on total stupidity May 30 05:07:40 at the very least, fuel cells... not that hybrid rip off scam May 30 05:08:48 <_av500_> nuclear electric hydrogen fuel cells are the future May 30 05:08:54 <_av500_> or maybe hangouts May 30 05:09:10 _av500_, *grin* May 30 05:10:02 nuclear hangout shelters? May 30 05:10:05 * _av500_ thanks FSM for the holiday today May 30 05:10:08 somehow, electric drive has only entered on fields where physical transmission is impossible... for obvious reasons May 30 05:10:33 * dm8tbr is on his way to a training in Hell-sink-i May 30 05:10:50 had to get up at 0500 local -.- May 30 05:10:51 * _av500_ has t-raining here May 30 05:11:06 dm8tbr: do you need a ski or snow shoes to get around there? May 30 05:11:19 the sun was just rising somewhere in the north-east May 30 05:11:21 dm8tbr: come 80km south too, to visit us May 30 05:11:21 its may...boat May 30 05:11:24 :P May 30 05:11:33 ketas: estonia? May 30 05:11:35 sunrise? May 30 05:11:36 yes May 30 05:11:42 you guys still have sun rises at this time of year? May 30 05:12:07 ds2: it doesn't really get dark, but yeah, the sun dips behind the northern horizon for a few May 30 05:12:31 and winter ended on april 30th, summer started on may 1st May 30 05:12:55 although there are still piles of snow here and there, but temperatures are about 20-23°C May 30 05:13:03 wtf May 30 05:13:10 I see..you just skip spring and Fall? May 30 05:13:13 piles of snow with 23'C? May 30 05:13:31 ka6sox: yeah, it's a pretty steep transition May 30 05:13:38 are you sure this snow is made of water May 30 05:13:56 dm8tbr, this morning I had a new alarm clock... May 30 05:14:00 yes it is. if it's piled up 10m high it takes ages to melt May 30 05:14:01 they did say snow is veyr insulating May 30 05:14:12 dm8tbr: you guys have local glaciers then? May 30 05:14:18 sort of, yeah May 30 05:14:37 I heard the local snow dump sometimes doesn't completely melt over the course of the summer May 30 05:14:37 someone stuck a M4.6 under my bed... May 30 05:14:47 dm8tbr: hahaha May 30 05:14:56 what's a M4.6? May 30 05:14:56 dm8tbr: i actually saw it on news May 30 05:15:31 ka6sox: they hid a Patton tank under your bed? May 30 05:15:31 the bed was shaking up and down this morning....and it wasn't my 11yr trying to get me up. May 30 05:15:46 hmm May 30 05:16:01 * m_billybob sees M4.6 and first though is colt arms May 30 05:16:15 summer ski slopes? May 30 05:16:16 <_av500_> M4.6 is a UK highway, no? May 30 05:16:57 M4 motorway in the UK. .6 is the lane reference? May 30 05:16:57 <_av500_> and almost finished one May 30 05:16:58 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/dyfi/events/ci/15350729/us/index.html May 30 05:17:00 why it's fractional? May 30 05:17:04 oh May 30 05:17:08 ka6sox: ah :) May 30 05:17:09 <_av500_> ketas: budget cuts May 30 05:17:43 roads are so differently named around the world May 30 05:17:49 wtf is motorway there May 30 05:18:15 ka6sox magnitude ? May 30 05:18:41 that should be a new ARM core May 30 05:19:10 4.8 May 30 05:19:12 _av500_: I read some documentation and am still a little confused about something. It seems like you add the .patch file to some directory and then add a line of code to the recipe file. Where exactly should I add the .patch file and how do I determine which recipe to modify? May 30 05:19:40 ka6sox, ah so dizzy spell feelign and not bring the house down on top of you ;) May 30 05:20:02 * m_billybob grew up in the north bay area May 30 05:23:07 <_av500_> Marc_SSL: well, the recipe for the program you are patching, no? May 30 05:24:52 Alright. So I suppose since I'm doing console-image, I would patch console-base-image because console-image just calls the latter. But then as far as where the actual .patch file goes, is that is a deeper subdirectory, say: setup-scripts/build/tmp/work/patches ? May 30 05:25:21 <_av500_> no May 30 05:25:27 <_av500_> console image is a meta target May 30 05:25:41 <_av500_> you need to patch whatever program you are patching May 30 05:25:45 <_av500_> what are you patching? May 30 05:26:32 I'm trying to get the MT9P031 camera to work. May 30 05:26:51 Marc_SSL, iirc teh base image doesnt' have any networking May 30 05:27:22 or the other way round..one of those I got bit on. May 30 05:28:02 Hmm alright, thank you ka6sox, I'll look at both recipes May 30 05:28:10 But say I want to apply this patch: https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/blob/master/common-bsp/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-mainline-3.7/omap_beagle_expansion/0009-Beagle-expansion-add-Aptina-li5m03-camera.patch May 30 05:28:44 Do I need to add any files, or do I just patch the vanilla kernel? May 30 05:29:55 <_av500_> then you need to patch the kernel May 30 05:30:01 <_av500_> there are already patches May 30 05:30:03 <_av500_> add yours May 30 05:30:59 Alright, now, I'm sorry for these questions, I'm new to all this, but does the patch automatically add files, say like mt9p031.c, or do I need to somehow manually add these? May 30 05:31:34 but this looks like that patch is already in there? May 30 05:31:41 and probably getting applied? May 30 05:38:01 <_av500_> Marc_SSL: if the patch is correct it can add files May 30 05:38:10 <_av500_> but as dm8tbr said, this patch is already in May 30 05:38:28 <_av500_> Marc_SSL: google for "angstrom kernel workflow" May 30 05:38:36 <_av500_> for a one-off, you dont need to patch May 30 05:38:42 <_av500_> just edit the kernel and compile May 30 05:40:46 Alright, I guess the problem is that I'm automatically still on linux mainline 3.2, not 3.7 May 30 05:40:56 How do I push my kernel version up to 3.7 to automatically get the patch? May 30 05:41:21 <_av500_> then you need to get eh 3.2 kernel May 30 05:45:43 Ah, found them: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/beagleboard-3.2/patches/camera May 30 05:45:49 These are the patches I need, but they are not part of the mainline May 30 05:46:01 <_av500_> thats why they are called patches May 30 05:47:25 Right, sorry for all the questions, I'm very new to all this. May 30 05:47:34 <_av500_> np May 30 05:56:00 moaning May 30 05:56:40 <_av500_> panto: what woke you? May 30 05:56:46 bears May 30 05:56:57 <_av500_> smell of tiropita? May 30 05:57:10 _av500_, +1 May 30 05:57:14 maybe later May 30 05:57:16 moaning panto May 30 05:57:21 hi ka6sox May 30 05:57:33 <_av500_> panto: ::envy:: May 30 05:57:38 been poking @ the document :) May 30 05:59:28 time to get the soldering iron out May 30 05:59:30 :-( May 30 05:59:51 <_av500_> mrpackethead: you put it away? May 30 06:01:31 i did actuallky May 30 06:01:32 :-) May 30 06:02:12 <_av500_> I heard once from a long time HP guy that Bill Hewlett would go through the office in the evenings, checking the irons were still warm May 30 06:02:36 _av500_, that's back then, when CEOs had a clue May 30 06:02:38 coffee or merlot... May 30 06:02:43 RIP good guy CEO May 30 06:02:56 <_av500_> saying a workplace is only good if it has a soldering iron May 30 06:03:16 <_av500_> ka6sox: you are in the US, make it a mix drink May 30 06:03:21 <_av500_> get rich May 30 06:04:12 _av500_, I need something to get rich from... May 30 06:04:25 it won't be from bb stuff thats for sure! May 30 06:05:46 <_av500_> ha, I think that HP guy was http://www.hpmemory.org/news/1980/hp1980_page_00.htm#zvonko May 30 06:06:01 <_av500_> my friends dad was a high up in HP germany May 30 06:09:55 <_av500_> ha, finally google started serving me BBB ads May 30 06:10:02 <_av500_> no more Variscite OMAP4 ads May 30 06:10:08 I am plastered with them May 30 06:10:31 <_av500_> it also gave up on industrial grade sd cards May 30 06:10:48 <_av500_> occasionally I get served the printer I just bought May 30 06:11:07 <_av500_> maybe it tries to tell me I have too much stuff May 30 06:12:11 "evil capitalist dog _av500_ you're consuming too much of the planet resources" May 30 06:12:40 <_av500_> yes May 30 06:15:31 is there a trophy for it? May 30 06:16:49 there should be May 30 06:23:03 * emeb_mac is sad - cool switch mode regulator generates too much noise for use in an audio board. :( May 30 06:23:37 <_av500_> well, if its a synth, call it a feature May 30 06:23:45 heh May 30 06:24:05 auto distortion May 30 06:24:09 <_av500_> amp it up and pump it thruogh a flanger May 30 06:24:19 <_av500_> and a warbler May 30 06:25:09 it's not a synth - effects board. -54dBfs noise @ 2200Hz (and harmonics thereof). :P May 30 06:25:34 <_av500_> see, effect :) May 30 06:25:43 <_av500_> we call it the "noiser" May 30 06:25:56 <_av500_> this sounds to clean, noise it May 30 06:26:05 unfortunately, not one of the fx we're after. May 30 06:26:26 <_av500_> emeb_mac: use a good rectifier tube May 30 06:26:43 why not a selenium rectifier? May 30 06:26:52 <_av500_> nah May 30 06:26:52 <_av500_> tube is warmer May 30 06:27:12 or maybe a cat's whisker + galena crystal May 30 06:27:29 <_av500_> well, or run directly from a HV battery May 30 06:28:54 <_av500_> ah, HT May 30 06:29:18 that's haute May 30 06:29:45 <_av500_> oui May 30 06:30:14 "Danger! 50,000 Ohms!" May 30 06:30:40 <_av500_> omg May 30 06:31:11 "LASER Radiation - Do not stare into beam with remaining eye." May 30 06:31:22 lol May 30 06:31:36 * m_billybob giigled irl May 30 06:31:43 giggled too May 30 06:32:02 google/giigle/giggle - it's all the same. May 30 06:32:26 <_av500_> goigl May 30 06:32:46 yeah idk dogs looking at me like im crazy now. May 30 06:33:16 "silly monkey keeps making strange noises." May 30 06:33:26 emeb_mac, I had a selenium pour out purple smoke one time....later I was told it was toxic.... May 30 06:33:36 yay? May 30 06:33:51 I'm still kicking.....gasp....choke..... May 30 06:34:23 so much for huffing it for the buzz. May 30 06:35:48 anyhhew bedtime for me ! you all taker er easy. May 30 06:36:14 wonder what's in the smoke? May 30 06:37:39 <_av500_> I like the ML "I ordered this BBB from the internet but now it cannot connect to the internet because I have no internet" May 30 06:38:03 SeleniumYouGonnaDie May 30 06:38:55 _av500_, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood? May 30 06:39:26 so you're saying the BBB doesn't have interwebs built-in? Lame. May 30 06:39:48 it does May 30 06:39:56 he just can't make it go I guess May 30 06:41:05 ha-ha. (in the manner of Nelson) May 30 06:41:17 yup May 30 06:41:59 Quick question, is a .bb file a recipe file extension for openembedded? May 30 06:43:16 <_av500_> yes May 30 06:43:20 <_av500_> a bitbake reipe May 30 06:43:36 <_av500_> there is ample docs on the net May 30 06:43:41 perfect, so I just add SRC_URI = "file://omap_ctrl_readl.patch" for the patch May 30 06:43:54 <_av500_> try May 30 06:44:07 * mranostay dances in May 30 06:44:21 * mranostay throws x86 chips everywhere May 30 06:44:36 raiding the company store again? May 30 06:45:31 emeb_mac, he owes his soul to the company store... May 30 06:45:37 company store? May 30 06:45:41 this isn't Apple May 30 06:46:02 mranostay, not yet at least May 30 06:46:32 huh. when I worked @ iBorg they had a company store where you could buy nik-naks. May 30 06:47:05 ok there may be an Intel store but I haven't searched it out :) May 30 06:47:06 nick nak, paddy whack, give your dog a bone? May 30 06:47:31 (dunno what that means...) May 30 06:47:53 ya - good stuff like mugs, t-shirts, desk accessories and best of all NECCO wafers! May 30 06:48:00 but the next line describes mranostay: "this old man came rolling home" May 30 06:49:03 cute May 30 06:49:03 bummer they put the magstripe on the passport in a place you can't scan easily May 30 06:49:19 I get an warning that the file (the patch I added) cannot be found. From what I read is that doing the SRC_URI "magically" finds the file May 30 06:49:37 emeb_mac: what campus? May 30 06:49:38 emeb_mac, apple candy co? May 30 06:49:53 Is there a nuance for adding multiple patches? Do I have multiple SRC_URI = "file://asdf.patch" lines? May 30 06:49:55 On beaglebone , how to enable i2c1(cpu pins) ? May 30 06:49:57 mranostay: Chandler - C6 May 30 06:50:15 In kernel, dev name should be i2c2 May 30 06:50:28 "mranostay: one does not simply enable i2c1" May 30 06:51:02 kelvinji, you create a dtbo for it along with your pins and let capemanager load it. May 30 06:51:22 mranostay: but I spent a fair amount of time in SC and also Folsom. May 30 06:51:45 never went to any of the Oregon sites tho May 30 06:51:45 emeb_mac: prison? :P May 30 06:52:00 mranostay: some might argue that. May 30 06:52:08 ok, if the doc is a decent shape I'm switching to creating the peripheral example capes May 30 06:52:22 kelvinji, its a long read but: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit# May 30 06:52:27 its what you need. May 30 06:52:27 mranostay: ever ride the company shuttle planes? That rules. May 30 06:52:43 ka6sox: thanks:) May 30 06:53:38 emeb_mac: i just started May 30 06:54:07 they flew up me on Southwest for an inteview does that count :P May 30 06:54:20 maybe they are buying SWA? May 30 06:54:50 mranostay: Nope - gotta be on the company equipment. Those you can ride w/o clearing TSA security. Makes travel very pleasant. May 30 06:55:47 emeb_mac: any free drinks in first class? :P May 30 06:56:28 mranostay: nope - just ice water. No classes. I flew on the same flight as Craig Barrett once - he was in with the rest of us. May 30 06:57:53 emeb_mac: so bring your own flask? :P May 30 06:58:39 mranostay, can't anymore...no more than 2oz? May 30 06:58:52 mranostay: that would be an interesting experiment. Don't know what they'd say about drinking alcohol on "company grounds" May 30 06:59:36 emeb_mac: yeah yeah May 30 06:59:44 damn HR buzzkills May 30 07:00:07 ya. "Nuns - no sense of humor" May 30 07:00:10 speaking of HR buzzkills, I should take my ethics and harrassment training soon May 30 07:00:24 * mranostay did love the one employee handbook item "drinking will be at company events in moderation" May 30 07:00:43 you need to work on your harassment attacks Russ May 30 07:00:59 they are totally ineffective against end of level bosses May 30 07:01:00 if you get s**tfaced, try not to show it. May 30 07:01:06 good thing we never had to file itemized receipts.. because those $250 1a Friday's receipts weren't mostly food :) May 30 07:01:09 I know, sometimes I can't think of a polite way of saying something, and I chicken out instead of stepping up May 30 07:01:55 Russ: take trolling lessons from mru May 30 07:03:48 hi, have question on BBB board. When i'm open http://192.168.7.2 on MacOS Safari or chrome. I don't get green box show board connected. May 30 07:04:15 but when open on windows7 chrome. It's show green box connected. May 30 07:04:51 anyone have solution? May 30 07:05:20 Littledog_, did you try Firefox on OSX? May 30 07:06:17 hi ka6sox. not yet. I'll download and test now. May 30 07:07:23 Where is the metadata located in the Pocky/Yocto project? I want to copy a patch into it to use in my kernel May 30 07:07:41 a wonderfull JIHAD mornign! May 30 07:07:59 KotH, same to you! May 30 07:09:06 hey ka6sox May 30 07:09:17 how's life in middle-of-the-night land? May 30 07:09:33 just thinking its time to crawl off to bed... May 30 07:10:06 shut down the office condo and walk 1m to bed. May 30 07:10:45 I just hope tomorrow I don't get woken up the same way :P May 30 07:11:21 Ka6sox, i am using kernel 3.2 May 30 07:11:36 oh, YMMV May 30 07:11:51 ka6sox: no firefox still show not connect. May 30 07:12:32 Littledog_, I've seen this before...its a wierd thing. May 30 07:12:36 don't have an answer May 30 07:12:43 kelvinji, why 3.2? May 30 07:12:48 (or are you on a white)? May 30 07:13:29 ka6sox : the eewiki said that 3.8 not support usb host hotplug May 30 07:13:46 ka6sox: so i choose version 3.2 May 30 07:13:56 kelvinji, that is so 27hrs ago.... May 30 07:14:26 ka6sox: --# May 30 07:14:59 thanks May 30 07:15:15 ka6sox: set your alarm clock 5mins earlier ;) May 30 08:22:45 goodmorning May 30 08:29:46 Mogge May 30 08:39:30 morning all, miserable day here in the UK; it's practically still night time May 30 08:39:55 barely a jot of sunlight May 30 09:02:33 jackmitchell: it's not our fault that you live in a country known for its weather May 30 09:02:40 ;) May 30 09:03:08 it's ok we'd have nothing else to talk about otherwise :P May 30 09:03:50 lol May 30 09:04:19 7 inch Capacitive LCD on the BBB. Who said Android was not a good match for the BBB? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FebYqMws0g4&feature=player_embedded May 30 09:04:27 jackmitchell: i would have expected you to talk about the last quidditch match :) May 30 09:05:42 I like it when testing involves playing games May 30 09:06:55 where would the sound come from? May 30 09:07:08 koen: fifo-mode 4 seems to have helped. have never done reboot testing so long without problems. May 30 09:08:45 <_av500_> tasslehoff: nice May 30 09:14:45 tasslehoff: that's good to hear May 30 09:18:30 if no systems fail before I leave work I'm bringing out my best whisky to celebrate. if they fail I'm bringing out my best whisky to drown my sorrows. May 30 09:19:46 tasslehoff: i would use cheap vodka May 30 09:19:57 tasslehoff: more better drunk/price ratio May 30 09:20:54 I need the (false) sense of sophistication May 30 09:28:38 fifovodka May 30 09:28:40 Is there any way of telling with what specific git revision of angstrom the beaglebone black images are build? May 30 09:29:16 tasslehoff: what's that magic fifo value for? May 30 09:32:54 tasslehoff: fill the whisky bottles with cheap vodka May 30 09:35:50 ynezz: koen said it relates to EP size. I'm gonna read up after lunch. a bug in the kernel chose the wrong fifo mode when musb was built as a module. May 30 09:41:50 Hello, i have a question. I write in terminal "opkg install git", and have answer: "Collected errors: * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for git: libgnutls26 (>= 2.12.17) * opkg_install_cmd: cannot install package git can help me solve the problem of install git? May 30 09:44:29 tasslehoff: ah, USB :) May 30 09:45:13 Nemo_: have you run opkg update? May 30 09:45:34 tasslehoff: it's still a problem on BBB? or this is other BB? May 30 09:50:51 Yes, before install i write opkg update. Problem with BB xM. In last time i do opkg ubgrade after i can't install git, and system was crushed - i can't shutdown BB in last time. Yesterday in this chat people advised me so install last image, and i did it. And now i can't install git and have same problem that in last time. And sorry for my english please. May 30 09:54:59 Nemo_: so you can't restart the beagleboard image again? May 30 09:56:26 Nemo_: Can you try the latest development image here: please May 30 09:57:05 Nemo_: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beagleboard/Angstrom-systemd-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beagleboard-2013.05.08.img.xz May 30 09:57:47 <_av500_> jackmitchell: I think koen linked that already May 30 09:58:09 _av500_: yes, that's where I got it from, but I think he installed the one from the beagleboard site which is the 2012.01 image May 30 09:58:13 <_av500_> Nemo_: so the error is about gnutls May 30 09:58:39 <_av500_> Nemo_: which image did you use? May 30 10:00:55 ynezz: it is definitely a problem with older kernels (I have 2.6.39) when musb is built as a module. May 30 10:01:28 but koen also mentioned other cases where changing fifo mode helped May 30 10:02:00 No, i can shutdown and restrart. The same problem is that I also can not install git. I download Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img in last time. Image which you give solve problem with libghutls? Maybe i can update libghutls as ever? May 30 10:02:28 <_av500_> Nemo_: koen gave you a link to a much newer image May 30 10:02:35 <_av500_> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beagleboard/Angstrom-systemd-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beagleboard-2013.05.08.img.xz May 30 10:02:49 <_av500_> january 2012 is a bit old May 30 10:04:34 koen: /me just tried to build angstrom from scratch for beaglebone, build dying in sources/openembedded-core/meta/recipes-devtools/binutils/binutils-cross_2.22.bb, do_compile May 30 10:05:56 I understood, but this image, which i wrote, yesterday someone give me =) May 30 10:06:16 thx i will try install new image. May 30 10:14:10 build host is debian/unstable, maybe a texinfo upgrade to 5.1.dfsg.1-3 broke it May 30 10:14:54 Has anyone tried to download the latest BBB image? I have been getting XML errors for 2 days May 30 10:17:19 reverting to texinfo 4.13a.dfsg.1-10 fixes it May 30 10:19:23 NoSuchKey The specified key does not exist. demo/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.05.27.img.xz May 30 10:19:48 Nemo_: sometimes it takes a couple of tries to get right, without the board in front of us we can only suggest ideas; that image didn't work, so time to try a newer one :) May 30 10:20:46 jack, are you responding to me or to russell May 30 10:21:02 errr, Nemo actually May 30 10:21:07 ty May 30 10:21:23 WA2EIN: I'll have a quick look for you though May 30 10:21:31 ty May 30 10:21:48 WA2EIN: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.05.24.img.xz May 30 10:22:37 that seems to be the latest image, is that what you're looking for? May 30 10:23:23 05.27 comes up when I go the normal route but that produces an error. May 30 10:23:30 I'll try the link you sent, thanks May 30 10:23:33 whats the normal route? May 30 10:23:40 this is the normal page: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ May 30 10:23:47 which has the 05.24 link May 30 10:23:52 from the software updates tab May 30 10:24:05 where? May 30 10:24:51 beagleboard.org May 30 10:25:01 I am new & trying to figure things out May 30 10:25:20 can you post the direct link to the page, I can't see it May 30 10:25:22 beagleBone 101 Update Image May 30 10:25:48 I tried an OPKG Update & it screwed up my software May 30 10:27:00 When I did an OPKG Update, it disables the USB interface using 192.168.7.2 May 30 10:27:19 koen: http://sourceware.org/git/?p=binutils.git;a=commitdiff;h=935f85422863b42b6fbca30885885e3fa28eea36 would seem to address the newer-texinfo problem May 30 10:29:51 WA2EIN: I'm afraid I don't know anything about that, probably worth trying with the latest image linked above, I believe there were a few teething issues with the first release of the software May 30 10:30:14 ty May 30 10:30:20 its downl;oading May 30 10:48:47 yawn May 30 10:58:26 <_av500_> +1 May 30 10:59:03 moarning May 30 11:00:51 hey May 30 12:20:40 morning May 30 12:21:00 morning georgem May 30 12:26:22 minimal trolling in here today, we can't all be doing work, can we? May 30 12:27:14 I'm on vacation... Flying in a few hours... So I can troll May 30 12:27:21 most of the wolr has a holiday today May 30 12:27:26 *world May 30 12:27:37 really? May 30 12:27:48 just .de and .fr probably :p May 30 12:27:53 well, at least the catholic touched parts May 30 12:28:04 ah that would explain it, everyone is out having fun, not trolling in here avoiding work ;) May 30 12:28:05 oh /me infidel May 30 12:28:07 i think all of south america too May 30 12:28:18 work work, bork bork May 30 12:29:27 I'm going to push example capes in the kernel in a little bit May 30 12:29:37 yeah. I'm going to try to keep my mouth shut today. Lots of work to do. May 30 12:29:43 can't test them all, so if you guys can do some tests I'd appreciate it May 30 12:30:30 just insure your BBB first :p May 30 12:31:51 come on, it's been whole days since I've burned a board May 30 12:32:08 eh, not months? May 30 12:32:17 or weeks, _days_? May 30 12:32:26 at least it's not hours May 30 12:32:30 :) May 30 12:33:01 what kind of days? May 30 12:33:04 panto: here when someone burns something you can smell it from pretty far away and it attracts quite a hoard of trolls May 30 12:33:07 dog days May 30 12:33:07 lunar, solar, siderial? May 30 12:33:12 martian? May 30 12:37:04 mmm the smell of burned steak May 30 12:44:58 are there spi and i2c drivers working for BBB? May 30 12:46:00 mastiff_, yes May 30 12:46:09 just pushed example capes just for that May 30 12:47:23 where do I look? May 30 12:48:25 if you're in a hurry https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm/commit/f4ca7fe2e6cfdabea46c027ec172134a2c9f3996 May 30 12:48:33 they will end up in a release pretty soon May 30 12:51:19 I'm not entirely sure how to use those file, but might be able to find some BBW examples. May 30 12:51:55 Is it generally true that the BBW stuff should work for BBB, but we need BBB specific drivers? May 30 12:54:10 there are no differences besides the extra devices on the BBW May 30 12:54:41 mastiff_, https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?usp=sharing May 30 12:54:48 explains everything May 30 12:55:42 ok, I'll read that again, was over my head the first time reading, but things are starting to make sense. May 30 12:56:53 afk May 30 12:58:22 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 2 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/5V6N4Q May 30 12:58:23 kernel/3.8 59afd5b Koen Kooi: 3.8: add beaglebone bootlogo... May 30 12:58:23 kernel/3.8 a176257 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add virtual capes... May 30 12:58:46 panto: That is an awesome document May 30 12:59:19 panto wrote it May 30 13:03:03 mastiff_: yeah very nice work, guessed that when i looked at the author name May 30 13:04:47 One of the guys was after something like it today, to understand the device tree stuff and the beagle bone black in general May 30 13:05:01 One of the guys i work with May 30 13:05:23 That provides a good insight May 30 13:13:45 uh... I like those virtual capes! May 30 13:16:41 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/gRdTNw May 30 13:16:41 kernel/3.8 db1e83f Koen Kooi: 3.8: disable prutest.bin... May 30 13:17:43 * dwery pats BeagleGithub May 30 13:30:10 * dwery pokes panto with a (device) tree May 30 13:30:59 you'll poke an eye out with that May 30 13:31:16 * mru cuts a device branch and makes a sharp stick May 30 13:31:46 panto: I just noticed that lovely virtual capes May 30 13:32:03 but... May 30 13:32:25 the poor spi1_cs1 has fallen off the tree.... May 30 13:32:39 dwery, you can just add it May 30 13:32:50 in fact let me add it (commented out) May 30 13:32:59 did someone say spice? May 30 13:33:13 :) May 30 13:33:27 spidev will kick in automatically? May 30 13:33:32 nope May 30 13:33:39 k May 30 13:33:40 the spicedev must flow May 30 13:33:46 don't use spidev if you can help it May 30 13:33:59 I use it for quick tests before developing a proper driver May 30 13:34:09 will add the "compatible" stuff May 30 13:34:28 look into the cape dts source May 30 13:34:32 there's an example spi device May 30 13:34:36 yep, saw it. ty May 30 13:34:58 btw, spi0_cs1 is not routed to the headers May 30 13:35:05 spi1_cs1 May 30 13:36:04 suihkulokki: tcflow(/dev/spice, TCOON) May 30 13:37:24 /dev/spice? did LetoThe2nd write a device driver? May 30 13:37:25 what kind of things cause a board reset (while idling either in u-boot or MINIX 3 ) May 30 13:37:45 mru: -ETOOMUCHSPICE May 30 13:38:11 http://pastebin.com/ZBZdBsuq May 30 13:39:21 panto: ty May 30 13:39:39 you got to start figuring out the muxing by yourself though May 30 13:39:42 all these are just examples May 30 13:39:45 np May 30 13:39:57 the doc has a link to the mux list May 30 13:40:08 I did it for my cape May 30 13:40:15 will check the relevant parts May 30 13:40:16 so no problem there May 30 13:41:07 be very careful with P9.41/P9.42 May 30 13:41:26 two signals are routed there, so if you use one option there other must be set to input May 30 13:41:33 *the other May 30 13:41:42 The default is input, right? May 30 13:41:45 yes May 30 13:41:49 phew May 30 13:42:27 the next beaglebone will feature 8 columns of pins :D May 30 13:42:44 introducing... the octa-bone May 30 13:42:49 nice name May 30 13:43:14 * KotH wouldnt mind that May 30 13:43:25 i wouldnt use a uC for anything anymore May 30 13:43:27 with proper H264 hw, not like that other useless board.. May 30 13:43:34 just buy a bunch of octabones and do everything with them May 30 13:43:59 let's make.... soup May 30 13:44:12 calamari fritti? May 30 13:44:20 yum May 30 13:44:52 * mru has an octocore TI chip May 30 13:45:20 mru: attach a few motors to it and make an octocorecopter! May 30 13:45:21 that chip is a lie May 30 13:45:41 mru: with octo-spi? May 30 13:45:50 panto: what chip? May 30 13:46:00 the one that doesn't exist May 30 13:46:11 what's this thing on my desk then? May 30 13:46:20 smoke and mirrors May 30 13:53:26 ls May 30 14:04:07 yoctocore May 30 14:04:16 what took you so long? May 30 14:04:45 octomore is a pretty good whisky... May 30 14:04:59 mru: mdp was still working on his first coffee May 30 14:05:03 too focused on work May 30 14:05:33 and fighting the linux desktop ;) May 30 14:07:30 mdp: throw that ubuntu thingy away and install some real mans linux... like slackware ;) May 30 14:07:39 yggdrasil! May 30 14:08:01 .o0(i knew that this would come) May 30 14:08:07 turbolinux May 30 14:08:27 lol May 30 14:08:53 at one of the first lug-camps, they had a competition on who could first get a turbolinux installation up and running May 30 14:09:07 back whan linux installation was a half days work and non-trivial May 30 14:09:20 no live cds back then... May 30 14:10:17 nope, knoppix wasnt invented yet May 30 14:10:20 KotH, i don't really use ubuntu anyway except for their package management..desktop is some gnome stuff plus i3 May 30 14:10:22 that was in 2001 or 2002 May 30 14:10:42 mdp: thorw away gnome... and live happily ever after May 30 14:10:53 KotH, which is a pita on a small hi-res monitor May 30 14:11:00 almost have all font stuff tweaked May 30 14:11:01 mdp: cell phone? May 30 14:11:11 mbp retina 13" May 30 14:11:16 ah... May 30 14:11:17 that's not small May 30 14:11:33 mru: mdp is a couple of months older than we are May 30 14:11:40 with the default 96 dpi stuff, it looks awful May 30 14:12:05 even the young'uns complain with 2560x1600 and typical app defaults May 30 14:12:29 * KotH wouldnt mind such a resolution on his 17" May 30 14:12:39 anyway, looks fine now May 30 14:12:53 would need a bit of tweaking ofc, but that's a one time job May 30 14:12:54 with page zoom bumped on chrome, etc. etc. May 30 14:13:00 yep May 30 14:13:15 it was funny reading how gnome itself is all hardcoded to 96 dpi May 30 14:13:17 i have to tweak my default desktop config for every computer i work on anyways... May 30 14:13:18 duh May 30 14:13:26 lol May 30 14:13:29 now that's funny May 30 14:13:33 I force everything to 96dpi May 30 14:13:37 stuff looks dreadful if I don't May 30 14:13:38 discussions over there just starting about htf to handle all the new displays May 30 14:14:06 it's particularly annoying when things render slightly differently on different monitorss May 30 14:14:36 And sometimes when they don't. May 30 14:15:06 It can be especially annoying not to be able to say 'yes, I'm wearing glasses and I'm perfectly happy to look at this 4.5" screen at 12"' May 30 14:15:36 I mean differently _IN PIXELS_ May 30 14:15:36 Conversely 'no - this 45" screen is in fact 25 feet away' May 30 14:16:02 if I ask for a 12px font, that's what I want May 30 14:16:06 You mean subpixel issues? May 30 14:16:07 ah May 30 14:16:27 not something "adjusted" for the monitor resolution May 30 14:16:49 Right. May 30 14:18:19 mru: huh? font size selection by monitor size? May 30 14:18:38 mru: and different for each monitor? who does something this stupid? May 30 14:18:42 gtk will do that if you don't insist really hard that it not May 30 14:18:50 o_0 May 30 14:18:56 * KotH never experienced that May 30 14:19:05 ok, i never use montiors with different resolutions on the same comp May 30 14:19:08 they try to make glyphs render the same physical height on all monitors May 30 14:19:15 lol May 30 14:19:37 the X server provides a dpi figure for each monitor May 30 14:19:45 works for stuff that is big compared to pixel size, not for the usually small text May 30 14:19:48 which it gets from the monitor edid May 30 14:19:57 thankfully it can be overridden May 30 14:20:31 and just to be sure, I force it in fontconfig as well May 30 14:30:39 Hello May 30 14:31:06 what kind of greeting is that? May 30 14:31:22 lol, sounds like a duggy and cline line. May 30 14:33:34 Tonight I will be mostly working on getting pacemaker to function on Angstrom May 30 14:33:49 "Cluster Manager" May 30 14:38:21 morning May 30 14:38:34 hi May 30 14:38:36 afternoon May 30 14:38:57 there is no afternoon in UGT May 30 14:40:16 only morning and time for beer (tm) May 30 14:41:13 jackmitchell: that's called beer o'clock May 30 15:00:25 Did anyone succeed in reading serial data from UART5? I'm having issues... May 30 15:01:57 Guser, on what board? May 30 15:02:15 in Linux or u-boot? May 30 15:02:45 bradfa: on BBB May 30 15:03:06 Guser, I've not tried the black yet, but uart5 works fine on whites May 30 15:04:30 hmmf.. I chaged the mode of my p9_11 pin to mux mmc1_sdcd, recompiled the dts and everything. the pin seems to be configured correctly May 30 15:05:13 I'm connecting an RFID reader with serial output to the pin, and nothing comes up when I - "cat /dev/ttyO4" May 30 15:05:42 any ideas? May 30 15:06:01 is your pinmux correct for uart5? May 30 15:06:10 bradfa, same here on UART5 on whites..that's my default console port May 30 15:06:27 mdp, I saw some u-boot patches that enabled it, so I trust it works :) May 30 15:06:37 bradfa, thank you May 30 15:06:39 :) May 30 15:07:13 Guser, please paste your dts May 30 15:07:18 Guser, I'm pretty sure out-of-the-box without some device tree changes, uart5 isn't the default pin mux setup May 30 15:07:24 it's probably gpio on those pins May 30 15:07:28 uart5 also isn't enabled May 30 15:07:32 ootb May 30 15:07:35 I enabled it May 30 15:07:40 please paste May 30 15:07:42 hastebin the dt? May 30 15:07:45 sec, I think I got something May 30 15:08:33 1) uart node set to "okay" 2) pinmux correct 3) something else not conflicting May 30 15:09:02 4) pinmux correct May 30 15:09:35 5) .... 6) pinmux correct May 30 15:09:37 +1 May 30 15:11:31 what, no step 7? May 30 15:11:46 I thought the first two rules were "we don't talk about device tree" May 30 15:14:20 I had the wrong mux. but its still not working... changed pin11 mux to 6 now. pasting dt in a minute May 30 15:15:28 I used this guide: May 30 15:15:30 http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-serialuarttty-on-beaglebone-black/ May 30 15:15:48 dts is there May 30 15:16:12 mourning May 30 15:16:26 evening May 30 15:19:11 found something fishy.. is this correct? group: pinctrl_uart5_pins pin 28 (44e10870) pin 29 (44e10874) May 30 15:19:26 bradfa, note that there's no step to profit in these #exactsteps May 30 15:19:58 mdp, it's called free software for a reason :) May 30 15:20:06 shouldn't that be pin 11 and 13? May 30 15:20:15 freedom ain't free May 30 15:21:46 Guser, yes May 30 15:22:11 thats the issue? I need to modify the dts then? May 30 15:22:17 for uart4 May 30 15:22:30 uart5 is in p8 May 30 15:22:43 it depends on what the meaning of uart5/4 is May 30 15:22:52 of for f* sake... May 30 15:23:01 braindead omap fortran numbering, or am335x C numbering May 30 15:23:04 I love computer science May 30 15:23:19 s/fortran/FORTRAN/ (we didn't have lowercase back then) May 30 15:23:45 and when I say we, I mean who ever was alive then May 30 15:23:46 my fortran on HP/UX had lowercase..so blah! May 30 15:23:50 :P May 30 15:24:56 Guser, which uart5 are you trying to use? May 30 15:25:20 https://github.com/bradfa/beaglebone_pinmux_tables May 30 15:25:26 or more appropriately, which pins are you hooked up to? May 30 15:25:46 mdp, it's almost friday we don't need to be appropriate here May 30 15:25:47 or better yet, is this the rs-232 cape on BBB? May 30 15:27:14 * bradfa goes to eat lunch, bbl May 30 15:27:17 I'm hooked to pin p11 May 30 15:27:26 p9_11* May 30 15:27:50 and I guess I'm trying to use UART4 then, but, here's what the manual I sued says: May 30 15:28:06 UART4 in the BBB_SRM is UART5 in the device tree system and ttyO4 on the bone May 30 15:28:18 so Maybe i got a little confused... May 30 15:30:19 mdp: its no cape, just the pin the board May 30 15:30:51 *on the May 30 15:32:02 mdp, he has a "non-cape cape" May 30 15:32:25 btw. if I would like to control a gpio pin with a user program, how would I do that? I mean I can use /sys/class/gpio only with root. how can I control gpio pins with normal user rights? May 30 15:34:46 Mode-M: you can change the permissions like any other file on the file-system May 30 15:35:01 Guser, this goes back to that 17page document.... May 30 15:35:20 ka6sox, thx..like what I use on one board..ok May 30 15:35:23 Guser: that's true. but isn't that very ugly? May 30 15:35:30 * mdp scrolls up and sees the rest May 30 15:35:42 ka6sox: yeah, I guess... May 30 15:36:04 Guser, yes, there's issues in IP numbering in the TRM versus what the dts says May 30 15:36:08 Mode-M: not at all. you can choose the right permissions for each file as you like May 30 15:36:20 so you are clearly on UART4 and should use those pinmuxes May 30 15:36:28 i wish there would be some easy system call which can be used by a userspace programm May 30 15:36:54 Guser, uart0 on the hardware is ttyO0 May 30 15:37:02 uart4 on the hardware is ttyO4 May 30 15:37:11 uart4 on the hardware is dt uart5 May 30 15:37:14 * bradfa thinks May 30 15:37:28 mdp: so that How-To is pretty bad then... Its quite confusing. May 30 15:37:34 i got this on dmesg: May 30 15:37:41 blogs are never wrong or out of date, right mdp? May 30 15:37:44 but you must reference the uart5 phandle May 30 15:37:44 Guser, it's all quite intuitive ... this is fixed upstream now but the BBB kernel doesn't have the fix May 30 15:37:52 [ 280.602079] omap_uart 481a8000.serial: did not get pins for uart4 error: -19 May 30 15:38:18 bradfa: do you use fuzzy logic? :P May 30 15:38:20 that means it did not find pinmux info populated by your dts May 30 15:38:32 mranostay, always, is there a focused logic? May 30 15:39:25 mdp, I'll try to fix that first then... thanks May 30 15:39:51 bradfa, I first tried to fix this during omapageddon but the omap dt maintainer went MIA due to the great purge May 30 15:39:57 bradfa, I'm seeing more and more autistic ADHD Logic being applied everywhere... May 30 15:40:14 bradfa, vaibhav has since picked up the patches that I think went in May 30 15:40:29 so it'll change again on a BBB kernel forward port May 30 15:40:36 mdp, good to know May 30 15:40:50 and all the blogs can be rewritten May 30 15:40:57 funny man May 30 15:41:20 ka6sox, at first I thought that was a variant of VHDL then I realized what ADHD is May 30 15:42:00 or if ka5sox will have it his way, only one howto will need to be modified ;_) May 30 15:42:14 ka6sox* May 30 15:42:16 1 howto to rule them all May 30 15:42:18 ka6sox, you have a way to silence the blogs? May 30 15:42:28 NFO May 30 15:42:38 can you use your special power to silence the fanbois, too? May 30 15:42:59 he can be very persuasive... May 30 15:43:28 fanbois I can't NFO May 30 15:43:32 but can ka6sox convince TI to ship to a non business address, that's the real question :) May 30 15:43:45 bradfa, no response.... May 30 15:43:51 I suspect not... May 30 15:44:10 Guser, tbh, that howto looks correct to me May 30 15:44:15 * bradfa just noticed he has no spell check in irc anymores... May 30 15:44:35 for am335x UART4, the &uart5 phandle is referenced May 30 15:44:45 just remember...it ain't official unless its in the elinux.org wiki (or maybe the bb.org site...) May 30 15:45:05 and offset 0x70,0x74 are indeed the gpmc_wait0,wpn pins that you want in mode6 for UART4 txd/txd May 30 15:45:17 mdp: well I still didn't get the pins for uart4 as dmesg said. and on the pingroups I see pin 28 and pin 29 under uart5_pins May 30 15:46:01 well, I can't tell what's wrong without seeing the dts May 30 15:46:52 the dts isn't the file he pasted there? :-\ May 30 15:47:00 if you are editing the base .dts, the syntax will be different than the dtbo fragment May 30 15:47:27 ka6sox: this whole channel is a bunch of ADHD :) May 30 15:47:50 mranostay: I disagree May 30 15:48:06 Guser, that's a fragment May 30 15:48:36 it sounded like you were describing editing the base .dts and rebooting May 30 15:48:48 mru: how so? :) May 30 15:48:52 why don't you tell us your exact steps or paste a log of them? May 30 15:48:57 mranostay: how so what? May 30 15:48:58 then we can help May 30 15:50:01 mdp: I'll pastebin it all. May 30 15:51:07 thank you May 30 15:56:56 mru: ADHD May 30 15:57:15 * mranostay doesn't really believe ADD and ADHD are real things May 30 15:57:21 mdp: these are my steps. I did not restart the device May 30 15:57:23 http://pastebin.com/RbMSVDWL May 30 15:57:41 mranostay: they are convenient acronyms to slap on troublesome kids May 30 16:01:31 bug tracker set up at bugs.elinux.org for tracking BeableBoneBlack and BeagleBoneWhite issues May 30 16:01:54 http://brainsciencepodcast.com/bsp/john-ratey-md-discusses-add-bsp-45.html mru mranostay - a discussion of the neural origin of ADHD - and why exercise matters a hell of a lot - to the point of being a 'cure' for some May 30 16:07:32 wmat: \o/ May 30 16:10:00 Guser, not sure what the bonescript is about May 30 16:10:08 what does cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pingroups show? May 30 16:10:45 wmat: i still haven't received my maple syrup May 30 16:11:48 mdp: http://pastebin.com/EwNPeKrE May 30 16:12:02 mdp: I used the bonescript to change the pin mux May 30 16:13:16 I have no clue what bonescript does internally, but from the parameter names, it doesn't appear that the receiver is enabled in that pinMode call May 30 16:13:32 just speculating by that b.OUTPUT parameter May 30 16:18:41 mranostay: it's in the mail May 30 16:18:56 Guser, now what does cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pins show? May 30 16:20:27 mdp: http://pastebin.com/jLudVQES May 30 16:21:34 wmat: do you guys have anything involving maple and alcohol May 30 16:21:36 ? May 30 16:22:03 I saw a billboard the other day for Crown with Maple May 30 16:23:02 Guser, it looks good May 30 16:23:22 mranostay: absolutely May 30 16:23:41 if it exists, there's alcohol with it May 30 16:23:44 Guser, I verified the example does what it says it will do here May 30 16:23:51 mru's rule 45 May 30 16:24:00 ttyO4 instantiated and pins muxed as expected May 30 16:24:02 is it too early to break out the cake vodka? May 30 16:24:12 the cake is a lie May 30 16:24:26 9:30a? nah May 30 16:24:38 mdp: so maybe the rfid reciever isn't functioning? is there any way I can test the tty4 works (or not) then? May 30 16:24:51 lots of ways May 30 16:25:01 I would blame the rfid receiver May 30 16:25:06 yes May 30 16:25:58 whats the quickest way to test it? May 30 16:26:30 (not the reciever :P ) May 30 16:28:15 mdp: are you also getting "omap_uart 481a8000.serial: did not get pins for uart4 error: -19" ? May 30 16:30:55 Guser, yes, but that's benign..you can see the pinmux set correctly May 30 16:31:11 sounds like capemgr pinmux helper breaks the normal pinmux path May 30 16:31:21 s/pinmux/pinctrl api/ May 30 16:32:36 Netra alert, folks. community posting kernel patches for netra now :) May 30 16:32:53 816x will be on the next hot community board May 30 16:35:05 mdp: i tested the rfid receiver with a led. it looks like there is an output. nothing I see on p9_11 though (throught /dev/ttyO4). May 30 16:35:47 could it be a voltage problem? :-\ May 30 16:39:02 rfid? May 30 16:42:28 dwery: you're asking what rfid is? May 30 16:42:40 no, which chip/cape? May 30 16:43:13 dwery: I'm using a paralex module May 30 16:43:31 dwery: do you want a link to the spec? May 30 16:43:35 Guest50588: yes, please May 30 16:44:26 dwery: http://www.parallax.com/Portals/0/Downloads/docs/prod/audiovis/RFID-Reader-v1.2.pdf May 30 16:45:46 Guser: does it work? price? May 30 16:45:53 Evening, I've just received a couple of micro SD cards (8Gb), I want to use them for data storage on the BBB, after searching the forums, I cannot see anything obvious. May 30 16:46:24 dwery: it only looks like its working so far :) i got it from digi-key for 45$ May 30 16:46:37 Guser: I noticed it is limited to a single family of tags May 30 16:46:56 dwery: Thats fine by me, I'm using the tags I got with it May 30 16:47:01 If I insert the micro SD cards into the boards and power up, they won't boot, so I've allowed the boards to boot then inserted the cards, but they don't appear in the dev folder...is there an FAQ or post that would help? May 30 16:47:04 Guest50588: :) May 30 16:47:12 damn tab completion... May 30 16:47:17 lol May 30 16:47:21 indeed May 30 16:47:29 rofl May 30 16:47:36 fuck you nickserv May 30 16:47:53 This channel is too small for two Gu May 30 16:48:01 I guess you should be accusing my nickname May 30 16:48:10 :P May 30 16:53:10 Can anyone help? May 30 16:53:49 Sy_: uhmm.. afaik, the detection of sd card insertion doesnt work properly May 30 16:53:57 Sy_: so they have to be present at boot time May 30 16:54:06 Sy_: so, your only option is to figure out why they dont boot May 30 16:54:20 Sy_: or fix sd card insertion detection ;) May 30 16:55:09 There is nothing on these cards at the moment they are uninitialised but with them in the boards won't start all the LED's come on. May 30 16:55:33 do you have a usb micro sd reader Sy_ ? May 30 16:55:43 that is the easiest way to deal with data only cards May 30 16:56:15 other wise you have to put some files on the sdcard May 30 16:56:17 Yes, I can put them into my MAC book pro, what format would I choose to initialise them with? May 30 16:56:49 i mean using a usb sd micro reader on the beaglebone May 30 16:57:38 oh...I do have one, but won't a driver be required for the reader? May 30 16:57:48 probably will just work .. May 30 16:57:54 power down the beagle May 30 16:57:57 I'll try it May 30 16:58:00 then plug in the usb device May 30 16:58:03 then power back up May 30 16:58:07 btw, Guser, your cat at a tty is not proper May 30 16:58:28 you rely on the default tty settings May 30 16:58:33 use dog instead? May 30 16:58:42 it might be opened with hardware flow control May 30 16:58:58 if you got to do tests, do it with something like minicom/screen May 30 16:59:54 panto: is this more proper? http://culturalcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/cat-on-typewriter.jpg May 30 17:00:09 it's cuter May 30 17:00:19 dunno if that helps much May 30 17:00:21 -ECATONKEYB May 30 17:01:05 with the USB reader plugged in it booted then died. May 30 17:04:08 Does Angstrom have a bug tracker where such faults can be written up for BBB newcomers to check, instead of everyone discovering the limitations for themselves? May 30 17:06:33 lol @mru May 30 17:06:49 panto: thanks, but shouldn't anything be available? I get no input at all May 30 17:07:00 died .. explain died May 30 17:07:29 Guser, no May 30 17:07:38 panto: I assumed I won't get the data in the correct formation but not blank May 30 17:07:55 if the default tty open is at a different baud rate and/or flow control is enabled you'll get nothing May 30 17:08:08 use a proper serial terminal program May 30 17:08:27 panto: hmm then that must be it. time to set proper serial settings. thanks a bunch! May 30 17:08:46 I would check the pinmux again just to be sure though May 30 17:08:59 Or "line noise" on baud rate mismatch. Nothing new though, that's not a BBB problem, it's just standard RS232 behavior. May 30 17:09:29 also, check the last commit on the bbb kernel May 30 17:09:38 there's a bunch of example UART capes May 30 17:10:20 panto: thanks, I'll look into it right now. fiola: yeah I figured (now)... May 30 17:12:17 I fugure we're all a bunch of masochists, decades of suffering RS232 instead of replacing it with something that adapts automatically to rates and Rx/Tx orientation ... you know, like Ethernet :P May 30 17:12:34 [kernel] dwery opened pull request #42: Towertech tt3201 can cape (3.8...towertech-tt3201-can-cape) http://git.io/G7Oikg May 30 17:12:36 rs232 is _simple_ May 30 17:12:45 * dwery runs! May 30 17:13:17 you can configure a uart and dump out some text using a handful of instructions May 30 17:13:26 can't do that with ethernet May 30 17:13:51 or usb or whatever the interface du jour may be May 30 17:14:32 fiola, rs232 is going to outlive us all May 30 17:14:34 and for good reason May 30 17:14:51 it's simple (now that all the other crap surrounding it are dead) May 30 17:15:00 panto: what, you're saying I'm not immortal? May 30 17:15:03 requires minimal h/w, and it works May 30 17:15:26 mru, dunno, have you stared taking baths in formaldehyde May 30 17:15:29 brb, reboot required May 30 17:15:34 There's a saying about how simple something should be made, simple enough but not simpler. And RS232 is excessively simple for this millennium, to our detriment. It's our Neandethal anscestor that we just can't bear to kill off :P May 30 17:15:43 * ds2 notes the giant sword that mru carries around May 30 17:15:57 panto, requires minimal rtl too May 30 17:16:00 oh, I think I misread... I'm _immoral_, not immortal May 30 17:16:02 what is the replacement? May 30 17:16:26 ethernet is too complex/takes too much power May 30 17:16:29 usb? May 30 17:16:31 hahahaha May 30 17:17:18 UART tunneled via USB connectors May 30 17:17:36 Ethernet without the magneticsa, possibly. Dunno, invent one. But make it rate-adaptive and Rx/Tx adaptive or something. A million better solutions. May 30 17:18:17 rs232 would be replaced at about the same time your terminal stop supporting vt100 escape sequences May 30 17:18:23 *stops May 30 17:18:31 it's much easier to configure the other side properly than to debug something more complex than a uart May 30 17:18:42 I fear you're right :P May 30 17:18:48 and frankly, even the configuration is now standard May 30 17:18:53 115200 8N1 May 30 17:18:59 tell that to my collection May 30 17:19:07 I have stuff that defaults to 9600 May 30 17:19:20 mru, you're not normal... May 30 17:19:36 but anyway, 9/10 configs are 115200 ok? May 30 17:20:11 there are a lot of _old_ stuff out there May 30 17:20:22 that doesn't make them _bad_ May 30 17:20:25 and one board likes to run at 57600 May 30 17:20:36 the cost of coming up with something better is just greater May 30 17:20:48 see also systemd May 30 17:20:56 touch? May 30 17:21:14 <_av500_> back May 30 17:21:19 front May 30 17:21:22 quick, hide the bears May 30 17:21:37 there is no bear with me May 30 17:23:20 The fact that almost everything uses 115200 8N1 is probably why it's survived. If it weren't for that, WW-III would have been started just to reduce engineers suffering. May 30 17:24:03 my problems with uarts is not even 1/1000 of the problems with usb controllers and devices May 30 17:24:30 even when I had to bitbang uarts they still worked more or less May 30 17:25:34 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 3 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/lAm1RA May 30 17:25:35 kernel/3.8 ce06784 Alessandro Zummo: Add DTS for the TT3201 Can Bus cape... May 30 17:25:35 kernel/3.8 fb322ca Alessandro Zummo: MCP2515 device tree support... May 30 17:25:35 kernel/3.8 2619058 Koen Kooi: Merge pull request #42 from dwery/towertech-tt3201-can-cape... May 30 17:25:36 * dwery can't agree more May 30 17:25:44 Apart from the major Borked-by-Design of the Pi's USB controller, I've never seen USB breakage. I've hit limitation, like bandwidth resource control telling my synths to take a hike, but never actual hardware breakage. May 30 17:26:07 *cough* musb *cough* May 30 17:26:09 fiola, consider yourself lucky May 30 17:26:30 Oh yeah, prior to musb, lol. What's the problem there? May 30 17:26:33 <_av500_> I left 115200 behind long ago May 30 17:26:43 2M8N2 May 30 17:26:48 new standard May 30 17:26:52 mru: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa May 30 17:26:54 <_av500_> 1M here May 30 17:27:19 <_av500_> on davinci I did 921600 May 30 17:27:20 fiola, ask felipebalbi May 30 17:27:26 <_av500_> since it was derived from 27mhz May 30 17:27:26 * SpeedEvil somewhere has about 14 versions of the omap3630 datasheet on his disk that he was closely reading to understand the USB unit. May 30 17:27:27 _av500_, the question is why? May 30 17:27:40 (and yes, the versions are considerably different) May 30 17:27:44 <_av500_> panto: even dividers May 30 17:27:50 err, I know May 30 17:27:54 * fiola recommends run-length encoding to SpeedEvil :P May 30 17:27:56 I mean why do you need 1M for? May 30 17:28:06 <_av500_> faster logs May 30 17:28:08 are you nfs rooting over ppp? :) May 30 17:28:22 _av500_, android? May 30 17:28:29 if you've never seen usb breakage, you've never worked usb May 30 17:28:29 debugging hd codecs with lots of printfs, right? May 30 17:28:29 <_av500_> nope May 30 17:28:38 <_av500_> koen: yep May 30 17:28:42 <_av500_> 16ms per frame May 30 17:28:51 * koen asked _av500_ before about the 1M thing May 30 17:28:52 <_av500_> so you want not to waste time on logs May 30 17:28:59 I could certainly have used a higher rate when I was dumping screenshots in hex over rs232 May 30 17:29:28 <_av500_> panto: also serial SW uploads May 30 17:29:43 <_av500_> gives a fast turnaround time when doing kernel work May 30 17:29:53 but I thought cortex-m4 can do hd decoding, why you need Linux? May 30 17:31:13 _av500_, I seem to always get part with ethernet, so that's not very important for me May 30 17:33:20 Can't jkridner get TI engineers who know the USB controller to help? The faults are making not only Beagleboard.org look bad, but TI too. Presumably the controller is fine, no? Not broken like the Pi's, one assumes. May 30 17:34:06 are we talking about musb? May 30 17:34:08 *cough* May 30 17:34:11 Yeah May 30 17:34:19 muahahahaha May 30 17:34:30 let's just say, it can be made to work May 30 17:34:39 after a lot of pain and suffering May 30 17:34:58 although TBH most of the pain is self inflicted due to hysterical reasons May 30 17:35:00 the bidirectional dma only actually working in one direction is "fine", no? May 30 17:35:00 I know of people who bitbanged musb to get working host mode May 30 17:35:28 dm8tbr: wasn't that a different controller? May 30 17:35:33 but that was due to hw design May 30 17:35:38 or a weird phy or something May 30 17:35:49 interfering phy and charging controller May 30 17:36:10 they had to lobotomize musb to force it May 30 17:36:25 on the N9/N950 it would have been easy May 30 17:36:39 just disable the charging controller and switch to host mode May 30 17:36:39 I find it hard to believe they did bitbang high speed usb and higher with it May 30 17:37:02 panto: they abused the test mode of the controller. I don't know the details May 30 17:37:05 dm8tbr: Are you saying that the hardware is now broken for full host mode as a result of some compromises? May 30 17:37:15 dm8tbr, that's different May 30 17:37:27 fiola: no. I was referring to the N900 May 30 17:37:32 Phew! May 30 17:37:39 fiola, musb's hardware is quirky May 30 17:37:55 it's the driver that's making people tear their hair out May 30 17:38:04 dm8tbr: wasn't that just bitbanging the ID pin? May 30 17:38:06 it's not even TI IPR FWIW May 30 17:38:10 right May 30 17:38:14 it's mentor's May 30 17:38:17 Mentor USB May 30 17:38:26 OK, lots of things are quirky. It takes me back to my question. Can't jkridner get TI expertise (or TI's reference driver) in on the problem? May 30 17:38:39 and the mistake that was made long long ago was that they pushed the vendor driver in mainline May 30 17:38:41 musb is a very profitable piece of IP May 30 17:39:11 keeps an entire eco system of people employed May 30 17:39:22 fiola: basically 2 people knew the ins and outs of MUSB at TI May 30 17:39:30 fiola: one quit, the other is a manager now May 30 17:39:44 koen, profit? May 30 17:40:08 * koen used to have ajay on speeddial May 30 17:41:03 koen: ajay is a manager now? May 30 17:42:35 no May 30 17:42:40 felipebalbi is May 30 17:42:45 damager? May 30 17:42:46 ajay quit May 30 17:42:49 Well Pi fanboys are going to have a field day. Sure, the Pi's USB controller is a dead duck, but BBB's is so quirky that nobody can write a fully working driver for it so it's effectively as dead as the Pi's, they'll say. This is not good PR. It needs some urgent action, and money. May 30 17:43:08 Much of the OMAP division got axed May 30 17:43:23 As they're moving out of mobile May 30 17:43:24 fiola: or perhaps a hitman May 30 17:43:30 - scared of allwinner et al May 30 17:43:56 felipebalbi isn't native TI May 30 17:44:05 we never said that it can't be made to work May 30 17:44:09 mru: More useful would be a rapid birthing engineer mum. May 30 17:44:17 even in it's retarded state it is functional May 30 17:44:42 PI's usb controller's problems are almost unfixable May 30 17:44:47 fiola: I'd be willing to bet that MUSB is still better than the rpi situation May 30 17:44:49 * SpeedEvil sighs. May 30 17:45:11 dm8tbr: Does the keyboard jam every 3 minutes for 10 seconds on BB? May 30 17:45:18 (Does on pi) May 30 17:45:35 ouch May 30 17:45:53 Jam = lose keyup/down events May 30 17:45:57 dm8tbr: if hotplug is fixed, then yeah, I think you're right, it'll be OK. It's hard to get more broken than Pi's dropping USB data. May 30 17:46:06 SpeedEvil: sounds very educational May 30 17:46:09 Not having a good night so far...nothing seems to be working...not sure if its the board or my slow broadband...tryint to use 'git clone' seems to be halting. May 30 17:46:21 no, the problem with musb is a) quirky hotplug, b) otg mode switch is flaky and c) no dma yet May 30 17:46:32 fiola: it doesn't drop if you service the interrupt within half a millisecond or something May 30 17:46:52 mru: which a Linux kernel cannot do, unless the CPU is idle May 30 17:47:07 so linux is broken, no the pi May 30 17:47:28 No, Unix has never been realtime with guaranteed latency May 30 17:47:53 <_troll_> fiola: I don't believe we've met May 30 17:49:07 There's an article fully explaining the Pi's USB problems at the USB response level (written by RPF engineers), I'll dig it out if I can find it. May 30 17:49:22 hey mag May 30 17:50:35 Funnily enough, if the Broadcomm SoC had our PRUs, they could fix their primary USB fault. May 30 17:51:08 or an m3 May 30 17:51:13 Indeed May 30 17:51:22 it has the videocore4 May 30 17:51:25 Or an M0, or even a flaming 8080 :P May 30 17:51:32 8251 May 30 17:55:57 This is one of the explanations of the Broadcom SoC's USB problems -- http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=23544&start=324 May 30 17:59:49 It seems to be pretty much the opposite of TI's. Broadcom's was engineered to do less, and so it's failing when asked to do more. TI's is massively comprehensive, but there's no manpower to write a fully working driver for it. Is that about right? May 30 18:00:34 I facepalmed hard with this: "The reason this processing takes so long is because the ARM is not a fast processor. It has approximately 1/8th the MIPS of a modern Intel desktop core." May 30 18:00:56 If preemption was enabled what would keep it from being able to service the interrupt within a 500us unless it was busy servicing another interrupt for most of that time ?!? May 30 18:01:03 it's plenty fast you dolt if you let it run enough to do it's thing May 30 18:01:19 interrupting it every 125us, what do you expect May 30 18:01:31 georgem, has nothing to do with preemption May 30 18:01:57 in theory they could put the usb interrupt to run non-threaded and let all other interrupts threaded May 30 18:03:45 <_av500_> no FIQ on the rpi? May 30 18:04:00 they're trying to use it May 30 18:04:03 Heh, 125us interrupts are indeed painful, especially when you have a full OS involved. May 30 18:04:16 panto: Couldn't it still be threaded so long as it had the highest rt priority? May 30 18:04:25 georgem, no May 30 18:04:31 Hey guys, quick question. I'm trying to boot w/ u-boot on a beaglebone (not a black) from an mmc May 30 18:04:33 <_av500_> dont involve the os May 30 18:04:38 at that interrupt rate even the overhead of scheduling the irq thread is too much May 30 18:04:48 when i watch from minicom, it gets to "starting kernel..." and just sits there May 30 18:04:55 <_av500_> hook it directly into IRQ or FIQ May 30 18:05:11 any advice? May 30 18:05:14 FIQ can be made to work, but your developers better be damn good May 30 18:05:26 <_av500_> ck300: dump the uboot env and pstebin May 30 18:05:37 <_av500_> panto: medium good May 30 18:05:38 I assume you want to do FIQ without involving the OS at all May 30 18:05:54 <_av500_> well, what do you do in the IRQ? May 30 18:05:56 it's a patched u-boot using http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone May 30 18:06:02 <_av500_> something predetermined? May 30 18:06:12 <_av500_> then set that up and let FIQ execute it May 30 18:06:18 oh ok. interrupting ever 125 us. Hmm May 30 18:06:19 or even setup another stack and save the context of the non-fiq state May 30 18:06:24 If you essentially make the ARM11 a dedicated slave to the USB controller (as intended) then it might work, but only just. Their old ARM core is just a tiny little thing tucked in the corner of the die of the massive GPU+DSP that is VideoCore, and was never intended to be a general computer host. May 30 18:06:33 <_av500_> FIQ has its own stack May 30 18:06:40 _av500_, I know May 30 18:06:49 it also have a limited set of ARM regs May 30 18:07:02 <_av500_> I know May 30 18:07:05 <_av500_> :) May 30 18:07:10 if you're good you can make it blindly fast (almost work like a DMA controller) May 30 18:07:11 :) May 30 18:07:31 but we're all bad to the bone in here May 30 18:07:34 <_av500_> ck300: dont care whAT IT IS May 30 18:07:34 <_av500_> DOUMP THE ENV TO PASTEBIN May 30 18:07:37 _av500_: pastebin.com/GcsJhbwW May 30 18:07:42 <_av500_> oops May 30 18:07:46 <_av500_> sorry for the shout May 30 18:07:53 dat capslock :P May 30 18:07:59 * panto pass _av500_ a pet bear to pet May 30 18:08:01 _av500_: you still have a capslock key? May 30 18:08:24 <_av500_> new install May 30 18:08:26 _av500_: gimme a sec i'll post the uEnv too May 30 18:08:28 <_av500_> need to patch it out May 30 18:08:57 CAPLOCKS FOREVER! May 30 18:09:14 <_av500_> YEAH May 30 18:09:26 <_av500_> FORK YOU ALL! May 30 18:09:30 but then where do you put the control key? May 30 18:09:32 _av500_: pastebin.com/j8GWRKt4 May 30 18:09:36 shouting guesses? May 30 18:09:43 hey, i'm trying to sleep here. May 30 18:09:44 <_av500_> mru: where lenovo put it May 30 18:10:26 <_av500_> ck300: now dump the env May 30 18:10:34 <_av500_> did I mention I hate uenv.txt May 30 18:10:45 uneven? May 30 18:10:47 _av500_: what do you mean then? May 30 18:10:56 <_av500_> stop thge boot May 30 18:10:58 <_av500_> and printenv May 30 18:11:12 _av500_ minicom isn't letting me actually execute commands May 30 18:11:18 dm8tbr: Is fixing hotplug doable? Or is that too quirky to understand how it works too? May 30 18:11:21 for some reason it's refusing input May 30 18:11:23 <_av500_> ck300: it sure is May 30 18:11:29 <_av500_> then fix your serial May 30 18:11:38 <_av500_> fiola: its all doable May 30 18:11:41 lolhow May 30 18:11:46 <_av500_> and there is a fix in new kernel May 30 18:11:53 <_av500_> koen: no? May 30 18:11:53 with a lolpatch May 30 18:12:02 xD May 30 18:12:13 <_av500_> lolsolder May 30 18:12:33 <_av500_> or lolhammer May 30 18:12:36 _av500_: given infinite time and resources, sure. But BBB has a limited window of opportunity. May 30 18:12:46 <_av500_> nah May 30 18:12:52 fiola: I have some hardware that has it working, namely omap3 and omap4 based May 30 18:12:57 _av500_ i just used a dif computer it's letting me input now. May 30 18:13:08 <_av500_> lolhammer the computer then May 30 18:13:11 and I believe that either av500 or his colleagues got some grey hair over that ;) May 30 18:13:13 dm8tbr: !!! \o/ May 30 18:13:16 fiola: with infinite time and resources i can break the light speed limit May 30 18:13:20 <_av500_> dm tons May 30 18:13:25 <_av500_> dm8tbr: tons May 30 18:13:30 <_av500_> and over ehci May 30 18:13:38 <_av500_> which we bitbanged :) May 30 18:13:41 :D May 30 18:13:56 why the heck does the rpi need an irq for each microframe? May 30 18:14:00 _av500_: pastebin.com/6JL5DeBR May 30 18:14:04 <_av500_> we bitbanged D+ and - to get the PHY back into a sane state May 30 18:14:09 <_av500_> koen: by design May 30 18:14:18 <_av500_> er KotH May 30 18:14:23 _av500_: sounds like a very stupid design May 30 18:14:31 wouldn't a micro-irq be enough? May 30 18:14:40 KotH: it's the rpi, duh May 30 18:14:51 KotH: Because the BCM2835's USB controller is only half a controller, and requires the CPU to do the oher half. May 30 18:14:52 i know that there are reasons when you want to sync to the SOF, but they are very rare May 30 18:15:22 fiola: er.. you mean... that thing has a worse usb hw than a $2 uC? May 30 18:15:33 <_av500_> yes May 30 18:15:38 <_av500_> but the GPU ... the GPU May 30 18:15:40 I suspect the ARM originally ran some sort of RTOS May 30 18:15:45 <_av500_> did I mention the GPU? May 30 18:15:51 dm8tbr: of course it did May 30 18:15:54 yes it's ginormous May 30 18:15:57 it's called 'usb controller firmware' May 30 18:16:02 :> May 30 18:16:11 * dm8tbr tries to look surprised and fails May 30 18:16:22 <_av500_> ck300: could you remove uenv and try? May 30 18:16:27 * KotH wonders what kind of weird design desicions lead up to that May 30 18:16:30 <_av500_> I dont see why you would need it May 30 18:16:36 <_av500_> KotH: legacy May 30 18:16:43 _av500_: remove uenv.txt? May 30 18:16:44 cost-cutting May 30 18:16:44 KotH: It's not stupid for its intended use. It's just completely braindead for use as a general USB host. Really it's more RPF's fault for picking a SoC that had such a partial USB controller than Broadcom's fault for making a device designed for media players. May 30 18:16:55 <_av500_> yep May 30 18:17:08 <_av500_> if all you have is a BCM, everything looks like an rpi May 30 18:17:08 fiola: rpf did not 'pick' the soc, the soc created rpf May 30 18:17:14 i'll give it a shot May 30 18:17:23 mru: some truth in that, yeah May 30 18:17:36 <_av500_> ck300: also, try stok uboot mainline May 30 18:17:39 <_av500_> that works May 30 18:17:47 fiola: i dont know... i dont see the point of using an arm9 core as usb controller. it's a waste of silicon. make it a full usb controller and let the gpu handle the rest May 30 18:17:48 there's usually _some_ truth in what I say May 30 18:17:50 <_av500_> mru: poor english kids picked rpi May 30 18:18:05 fiola: but yes, RPF failed there.. or succeeded... i still dont know what their goal was May 30 18:18:06 <_av500_> wielding spare flatscreens May 30 18:18:08 _av500_ will it work with a zimage? or only a uimage May 30 18:18:22 also, i got an error for not being able to read uEnv.txt May 30 18:18:27 <_av500_> er May 30 18:18:31 <_av500_> ignore it May 30 18:18:42 <_av500_> did I metion I hate uenv.txt? May 30 18:18:43 panto: you win. the screen did it! thanks again. May 30 18:18:51 yes May 30 18:19:09 KotH: Don't know, but don't really care much either. I do care that BBB's USB doesn't currently have a fully working driver despite the hardware being (apparently) perfect. May 30 18:19:18 i tried to execute "bootz /boot/zImage" and it gave me a "data abort" arror May 30 18:19:19 mdp, let the big board tell the truth... May 30 18:19:21 *error May 30 18:19:30 <_av500_> ck300: never used bootz May 30 18:20:02 Guser, I don't know where that thing started of doing direct I/O on ttys started, but it sure doesn't work May 30 18:20:39 KotH: The price of silicon gates has a very odd relationship with the sort of functionality they implement. May 30 18:20:53 fiola: I don't have a BBB (yet), but I think the kernel situation is much much better than on any previous boards May 30 18:21:02 KotH: I do have a Pi, but its intended destination is a picture frame bearing the caption: "Always match your solutions to your requirements." May 30 18:21:03 panto: not sure what you mean... I just read my frid uid from the module. May 30 18:21:09 _av500_ can i just use a precompiled linux kernel? or do you know of any? May 30 18:21:10 It's not like FPGAs where you have a fixed amount of potential gates at a fixed cost. May 30 18:21:11 *rfid May 30 18:21:17 is there an FAQ on how to create a back of whats on the eMMC ? May 30 18:21:20 I mean, use a program that accesses tty's properly May 30 18:21:28 no cat business May 30 18:21:29 <_av500_> ck300: I use the beaglebone kernel May 30 18:21:35 meaww May 30 18:21:37 levi: i know that May 30 18:21:45 panto: will do from now on. i'm pretty new to serial data May 30 18:21:47 _av500_ does that support running a full linux image? May 30 18:21:53 levi: although i'm not in the chip business, i know how it works.. more or less May 30 18:21:57 <_av500_> ck300: ? May 30 18:22:10 <_av500_> do you know kernels that support only half images? May 30 18:22:20 two face linux May 30 18:22:22 <_av500_> KotH: or how it dont works May 30 18:22:29 juup May 30 18:22:32 KotH: Well, saying that an ARM9 core is a 'waste of silicon' is hard to justify. May 30 18:22:39 _av500_ i meant can i use beaglebones kernel to run, say, ubuntu May 30 18:22:57 Sy_, you can just use dd to make an image May 30 18:23:02 panto, I verified pinmux, so I claim a share of the prize...don't kang my support points May 30 18:23:11 ok chad May 30 18:23:25 levi: an arm9 core used with the sole purpose of being an usb controller, is a waste of silicon. you can implement a full usb controller in 1/10th of the space.. if not 1/100th May 30 18:23:27 _av500_: also, do you happen to have a link to the beaglebone kernel lying around? May 30 18:23:37 <_av500_> no May 30 18:23:43 KotH: The 'space' is irrelevant, though. May 30 18:23:46 <_av500_> but larry and sergey made that website May 30 18:23:46 written on a napkin May 30 18:23:48 KotH, you're forgetting the developers cost May 30 18:23:48 levi: no it's not May 30 18:23:54 ok, ty, almost there with the set-up, I'll look into it soon, but with the SD card's unusable at the moment, how do I transfer the image onto the SD cards? May 30 18:24:12 levi: silicon real estate is nearly proportional to chip production cost May 30 18:24:22 if you don't have an already done usb controllers, making one work might be more expensive that putting an already working piece of commodity CPUs May 30 18:24:41 levi: a more complex chip involves also more complex and thus more time consuming testing -> even more cost during production May 30 18:24:51 _av500_: i built a rootfs for another distro using it's cross compilation rootfs guide and i need a kernel that will work with it. will beaglebone's kernel do that? May 30 18:24:51 KotH, looking at the RPi SoC the ARM is nothing compared to the real-estate of the GPU May 30 18:25:07 Sy_, weren't you able to boot from an SD card before? Just download a bootable image, put it on the sd card. Boot from the card, mount the eMMC, make an image of the eMMC onto a file on the SD card's file system May 30 18:25:15 <_av500_> ck300: I dont know May 30 18:25:22 <_av500_> you can simply try May 30 18:25:28 panto: broadcom is in the mass production business. they produce millions of chips. development costs are only a small part of final costs May 30 18:25:28 dinner time May 30 18:25:33 dm8tbr: Without manpower that understands the controller though, it's hard to even say that it'll be fixed in a month, 6, a year, or ever. It's in the lap of the gods, since (I think) nobody's being paid to work on it intentively and gain the understanding. May 30 18:25:36 <_av500_> panto: have fun May 30 18:25:38 _av500_: where is the beaglebone kernel found/ May 30 18:25:39 panto: bon apetite May 30 18:25:40 A stock ARM9 core is already well-tested, they needed something to run firmware anyway, and the geometry of the chip was dictated by the GPU and other massive parts. May 30 18:25:54 <_av500_> ck300: oh c'mon May 30 18:25:57 KotH, TI is in the mass production business too May 30 18:25:58 ok, ty, that makes sense, I'll make a bootable SD card, boot from it, then transfer eMMC to it? May 30 18:26:08 good developers is not such an easy commodity to find May 30 18:26:09 _av500_: the only other one i've used is angstrom May 30 18:26:15 panto: but yeah..it might be that they already had an arm9 core and some half usb core and thought about throwing both together May 30 18:26:15 anyway, I'm off :) May 30 18:26:33 Ta'ra :-) May 30 18:26:34 Sy_, yes, but don't overwrite the SD card in the process. Just create a file May 30 18:26:42 panto: if i'm not mistaken, TI has lower volumes per chip than BCM May 30 18:26:56 Broadcom and TI have massive libraries of IP that they mix and match in their SoCs. May 30 18:27:02 panto: unless we take stuff like the 741 into account ;) May 30 18:27:14 7400 :P May 30 18:27:28 <_av500_> one word: level shifters May 30 18:27:31 fiola: the pain is sufficient for this being fixed reasonably fast I believe May 30 18:27:40 ok, will give it a go, ty May 30 18:27:58 * fiola gazes at all the old TI TTL and CMOS data books on the shelf May 30 18:28:00 fiola: it's more of a bandwidth problem when it comes to the people who could try that May 30 18:28:05 so this lennart guy is a bit of a blow hard eh May 30 18:28:20 TI has their own USB block but decided to not use that May 30 18:28:24 cmicali: tried to talk to him? May 30 18:28:27 *cough*OMAP1*cough* May 30 18:28:38 koth: watching some talk q/a with him in it May 30 18:28:46 Oh, no, systemd discussion only on alternate days, please :-( May 30 18:28:48 cmicali: which one? May 30 18:28:55 koth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UnEV9SPuw8 May 30 18:29:10 deep in systemd config pain right now, so trying to absorb as much as possible May 30 18:29:36 ds2: it could be that TI bought the omap family together with a company... (i dont know, just a guess) May 30 18:29:45 ok, will give it a go, ty May 30 18:29:55 cmicali: what pain are you having? May 30 18:29:57 sorry, didn't mean to do that :) May 30 18:30:00 dm8tbr: Hope you're right. BBB is such a lovely little board. May 30 18:30:26 georgem: trying to get all of our software started and managed by systemd, have never used systemd before May 30 18:30:37 Sy_, if you have an SD card that is larger than the bootable image file system you want to put onto it you will have some free space on the SD card that is unallocated. You can either create a new partition there or resize the root partition. For the latter you can use a gparted live image to boot from and resize the partition May 30 18:30:41 georgem: so, some learning curve pain + rewriting a lot of our things to run as daemons May 30 18:30:59 _av500_: i'm getting an error "card did not respond to voltage select!" any ideas? May 30 18:31:05 cmicali: wtf? that's a 2g mp4? May 30 18:31:27 koth: more == better May 30 18:31:43 cmicali: you shouldn't really need to rewrite anything to run as a daemon. You probably just need service unit file for it. May 30 18:31:46 OMAP is just a different blend of IP blocks than their chips aimed at other market segments. It's not like it's completely different from the industrial or automotive product lines. May 30 18:32:07 Can omeone point to to an image please that I can put on to SD that is supposed to have HDMI working, I've got a stronger DC power supply delivered today and don't really want to wipe my eMMC to try it May 30 18:32:10 georgem: well, some of it we want restart logic, etc, and it seems like systemd is pretty good at handling a lot of that stuff May 30 18:32:26 anyone? May 30 18:32:32 cmicali: yes it is May 30 18:32:51 I'm talking for BBB btw May 30 18:32:51 <_av500_> ck300: pasted pastbin is paste May 30 18:32:52 georgem: trying to leverage it instead of some of the shite bash scripts that have been written May 30 18:34:15 _av500_: pastebin.com/TmYbxewG May 30 18:34:18 cmicali: You may have already found it but most of what you need to know is probably here: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html May 30 18:35:09 cmicali: a bad quality video doesnt have to be small May 30 18:35:16 Those bash scripts were really just one liners though, all boilerplate made by the distro, calling the upstream code's startup. They only confused if you skipped from distro to distro. The actual running code never varied. May 30 18:35:19 <_av500_> ck300: that uboot looks fishy May 30 18:35:22 georgem: thanks, yeah been using that - I think i've got most of it working now - main issue i had was i expected target wants to inherit the target params (so if target is after something, all wants of that target should be after that too) but apparently it does not work that way May 30 18:35:29 koth :D May 30 18:35:29 <_av500_> should it not print what BB its running on? May 30 18:35:48 Hi, quick question. I followed the Angstrom Instructions for Building (http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom) and successfully built a console-image of Kernel version 3.2. However, I'm trying to get a camera to work and I noticed that the patches I need are located in meta-ti/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-omap-2.6.39/camera May 30 18:35:48 _av500_: should i make a uimage and try to boot via normal u-boot? May 30 18:36:00 How do I revert to this Linux version and build the console-image with it? May 30 18:36:12 <_av500_> ck300: easiest is to use beagleboard uboot and kernel May 30 18:36:23 _av500_: the one for angstrom? May 30 18:36:26 <_av500_> yes May 30 18:36:37 <_av500_> thats what beagle officiall yupports May 30 18:37:19 _av500_: is there a precompiled download? May 30 18:37:30 <_av500_> yes May 30 18:37:34 <_av500_> there is May 30 18:37:41 <_av500_> its not gentoo May 30 18:37:49 <_av500_> try beagleboard.org May 30 18:38:00 or beagleborad.org May 30 18:39:38 lol the link is broken May 30 18:40:17 _av500_: the latest image link is broken :c May 30 18:41:21 I'm just building some packages from source, currently corosync, at the end it comes up with "No package 'nss' found", I've checked the packages I have and I have libnss-mdns, any suggestions :) ? May 30 18:42:25 Sy_, you might be required to create a symbolic link to the library version you want to use. Check the makefile for references May 30 18:44:55 * mranostay summons Crofton May 30 18:45:20 There are two references in Makefile.in, nss_CFLAGS = @nss_CFLAGS@ and nss_LIBS = @nss_LIBS@ not really sure what these mean May 30 18:46:48 Found online an option to pass to ./configure --disable-nss May 30 18:47:46 I was about to say, check configure for options and internal definitions May 30 18:47:58 Actually the better solution is to install the development libs for libnss-mdns-dev May 30 18:48:09 oh, yes May 30 18:48:20 Sy_: i dont think you do want mdns May 30 18:48:34 Sy_: unless you really want to have distributed dns, which you dont May 30 18:48:40 no idea what it is, but the only reference I could find to nss May 30 18:48:52 nss are the name service routines May 30 18:49:13 thank you, I'll re-check the package list May 30 18:49:15 part of it are in the libc, the other part are in some bind host stuff package iirc May 30 18:50:07 /usr/include/nss.h comes from libc May 30 18:50:30 ty, found it! May 30 18:51:22 looks like the bind host stuff is not relevant to nss at all.. May 30 18:52:31 trying build again May 30 18:54:05 damn, still getting it... May 30 18:54:27 trying --disable-nss May 30 18:54:31 mranostay, yes May 30 18:56:05 Crofton: just wanted to be sure you're alive May 30 18:56:26 barely May 30 18:56:31 at a conf this week May 30 18:56:39 fortunately across the street from my house May 30 18:56:47 too much beer last night though May 30 18:57:10 too much beer? May 30 18:57:12 what is that? May 30 18:57:59 Crofton: was this conference called a pub? :P May 30 18:58:16 bugger that didn't work either, May 30 18:58:30 Does anyone here have experience with the Angstrom Build Instructions? May 30 18:58:46 some May 30 18:59:00 Marc_SSL, what is the specific issue May 30 19:00:09 dm8tbr: Does MUSB enumerate new devices without error on reboot every time? Just wondering, if all else fails, perhaps we could hit USB with a sledgehammer on every graph change. May 30 19:00:56 Crofton: hrhrhr May 30 19:01:32 Well, I'm trying to get the MT9P031 camera to work (a Leopard Imaging Board) with my Beagleboard-xM Rev C, I used the instructions to build a console-image ( ... ... ./oebb.sh bitbake console-image) and it worked successfully, but now I want to either do one of two things: A) Patch linux 3.2, the one I'm using, with patches I've retrieved from the internet, or B) build linux-omap-2.6.39 which seems to have some drivers included, b May 30 19:01:57 the other build I have... Or C) I think Linux mainline 3.7 has driver support, how do I push up and get this linux version and compile it? May 30 19:02:32 Crofton: Sorry for the long list of questions, I've been working on this non-stop for a little while and I want to be finished by tonight hopefully, and I feel as if I'm very close :) May 30 19:02:45 back May 30 19:02:51 wb panto May 30 19:03:03 thx May 30 19:03:29 gah, I am not good with that question :) May 30 19:03:35 * panto bathes in the troll infested waters of #beagle May 30 19:04:45 Crofton: I guess, how would I clean and build 2.6.39? I think the command is MACHINE=beagleboard ./oebb.sh bitbake linux-omap-2.6.39, but it seems to interfere with virtual/kernel May 30 19:05:13 is this build based on oe-classic May 30 19:05:32 you might need to bitbake -c clean virtual/kernel bitbake virtual/kernel May 30 19:05:37 panto: howdy... kudos for the 3.8 doc May 30 19:05:46 * panto bows May 30 19:05:49 thx May 30 19:06:03 :) May 30 19:06:10 we needed something that explained our madness May 30 19:06:22 we may be mad, but there's method to our madness May 30 19:06:54 Crofton: I'm not sure if it is oe-classic, how would I check? (Sorry, I'm a freshie at all this). And alright May 30 19:06:56 panto: yeah, i know May 30 19:07:12 ls sources May 30 19:07:17 panto: got my BBBs, just not much tinkering yet May 30 19:07:19 I'm just scared to mess with it, doing bitbake console-image took ~10 hours to complete.. I don't have that kind of time :P May 30 19:07:24 heh May 30 19:07:30 ah, it's meta-ti May 30 19:07:36 it will be better next time since it is done fetching sources May 30 19:07:39 Marc_SSL, it will only take 10 hours the first time May 30 19:08:05 ok, sounds sounds like oe-core based May 30 19:08:18 so the clean is hopefully not needed May 30 19:08:26 edit the kernel recipe to add the patch May 30 19:08:27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Assured_Destruction May 30 19:08:34 Good point, but I guess, would building a completely different kernel version cause me to re-fetch everything? May 30 19:09:28 Ok, so, I tried doing that -- I added URI_SCR = " file://patch1.patch;patch=1 \ file://patch2 ........... " and put the patches beside it May 30 19:10:00 and there is no error shown that they cannot find them, so I'd imagine it worked? Do I have to do virtual/kernel -c clean, then -c compile and -c deploy after? May 30 19:10:10 LetoThe2nd: If no good BBB applications occur to us, we can use the blue LEDs to burn into Fort Knox. May 30 19:10:54 fiola: maybe. but fort know is a long way from here. May 30 19:11:12 Don't think I've ever had an embedded board cast shadows before :P May 30 19:11:57 LetoThe2nd: Distance is no obstacle to BBB's unstoppable beams! :D May 30 19:12:32 Hi there. I'm new to the BBB, and was wondering if anyone have found a WIFI USB dongle that works May 30 19:12:44 fiola: hrhrhr May 30 19:13:29 Crofton: I guess, perhaps I should clean the virtual/kernel and recompile? May 30 19:13:37 lol, /me just ran into the python-numpy brokenness again May 30 19:16:24 _av500_: it worked like a charm :) May 30 19:16:49 It might detect the bb file changed now May 30 19:16:59 -c cleansstate May 30 19:17:26 sorry in a conf and working, serious multi tasking May 30 19:18:53 Crofton: No worries, I'll fiddle with it for a while, I really appreciate it! :) May 30 19:19:15 np May 30 19:21:04 Crofton: don't forget drinking May 30 19:21:11 ultra-multitasking May 30 19:25:34 Still can't get corosync build properly, still complaining at the end with "No package 'nss' found' despite reading and trying lots of things out. May 30 19:43:10 av500, yesterday was a day for Earth, Wind and FIRE! May 30 19:44:01 hi ka6sox May 30 19:44:33 ka6sox: But not water, because all water has been allocated to the UK this weekend. May 30 19:44:42 g'night all May 30 19:44:43 bbt May 30 19:44:45 quick question: on the beaglebone white, I can see that most of the gmii2 pins are broken out into the headers, and it seems like it would be plausible to attach another LAN8710 phy to it via a breakout board. how would I go about enabling that mac as another eth interface in linux? May 30 19:44:48 * fiola waves May 30 19:45:08 hiya panto May 30 19:45:25 fiola, you missed the reference I guess :) May 30 19:45:30 means I'm just too old... May 30 19:45:53 No no, I know the group, but I also know UK weather :P May 30 19:46:15 it's not raining right now May 30 19:46:21 UK is only *technically* above sea level. May 30 19:49:00 * m_billybob grumbles May 30 19:49:02 tell me about it...I live 20 miles from the east coast May 30 19:49:16 Norfolk May 30 19:50:05 Finally fixed the nss issues, edited configure and commented out all nss references May 30 19:52:13 Sy_ you're in HR? gotta love this wierd group of cities... May 30 19:52:30 HR ? May 30 19:52:40 hampton roads? May 30 19:52:50 I live near Norwich in the UK May 30 19:52:52 can anyone help me flash the BBB memory. I have a running system on my SD card May 30 19:52:57 ahhh May 30 19:53:11 cyronin, not all of the gmii are broken out into the header, iirc, plus they're probably not length matched May 30 19:53:17 Ok, question: I rebuilt cleaned my virtual/kernel using the Angstrom build instructions and re-ran it then re-ran bitbake console-image, and things actually ran, but it doesn't look like the uImage changed, only the rootfs did and my patches didn't seem to work. Any ideas? May 30 19:53:26 norfolk in the US is also like 20 miles from the sea... May 30 19:53:55 ah....Norfolk in the UK is virtually in the North Sea, very flat May 30 19:54:47 WA2EIN, just passing thru...maybe later tonight May 30 19:54:52 cyronin, so getting another PHY on the white is not really possible unless you get a chip that connects via EMIF May 30 19:55:15 ty May 30 19:56:56 Cyronin: Don't worry, BB Blue[Light] is being designed with dual gigabit PHY. Patience :P May 30 19:57:02 does anybody have issue with ssh on a beagleboard running ubuntu ? ssh 10.11.11.130 -l ubuntu ssh: connect to host 10.11.11.130 port 22: Connection refused ratin@ratin-ubuntu1204:~$ May 30 19:57:19 okay, thats cool! May 30 19:57:25 i did /etc/init.d/ssh start May 30 19:57:28 j/k :-( May 30 19:57:40 :( May 30 19:57:55 Cyronin: But it could. The SoC can do it. May 30 19:58:05 BBBlue now with 2X brighter LEDs? May 30 19:58:33 10gig blue LED laser comms. May 30 19:58:47 Free shark included May 30 19:59:17 ka6sox: i can use it as a reading lamp too? May 30 19:59:25 the switch in the am335x is actually really impressive for a SoC of its class, i was wondeing if i should keep following this pipe dream of having another ethernet interface coming off it May 30 20:00:10 mranostay, with it in the NEXT room.... May 30 20:00:17 mranostay: Can do that now, if you dim the LEDs. Well you don't have to dim them, but the paper won't last long unless you do. May 30 20:01:04 Quick question: When I try to compile a different kernel (linux-omap-2.6.39) it gives me an error because the mainline-3.2 is already built. bitbake virtual/kernel -c clean does not seem to help, any suggestions of how to fully remove the mainline-3.2 kernel or to circumnavigate this? May 30 20:01:51 <_av500_> Marc_SSL: change the kernel recipe to point to another kernel May 30 20:02:33 fiola, I don't want them to burst into flames.... May 30 20:03:07 Hmmm. Aye, one gets a bad reputation for burning books. May 30 20:03:31 but burning bibles is so much _fun_ May 30 20:03:53 <_av500_> does the thin paper burn gany good? May 30 20:03:56 <_av500_> -g May 30 20:04:09 Yay, mru's found us an application for BBBurn! May 30 20:05:56 Anybody have success with ssh on a BBB with latest ubuntu image? May 30 20:07:25 <_av500_> i dont use ubuntu May 30 20:07:28 join the bugtracker nag!! May 30 20:07:39 <_av500_> nagtrucker?` May 30 20:08:05 i need a nagbot May 30 20:08:41 ahh i updated ssh and it got fixed now May 30 20:09:53 emeb, I have green and yellow boards... May 30 20:11:46 _av500_: ubuntu all things! May 30 20:12:43 <_av500_> mranostay: ubuntu fixed bug #1 May 30 20:12:51 <_av500_> they are now officially as annoying as M$ May 30 20:13:01 :) May 30 20:13:15 works for me though May 30 20:13:24 easy to do updates and things May 30 20:13:27 Has anyone setup interrupts on a tps65910 before? In the only example I can find this is set in its device tree node: "interrupts = < 0 118 0x04 >;" Anyone know what in the hell the 118 is there? May 30 20:13:42 better support for many dev libraries May 30 20:14:00 <_av500_> the international code for "interrupt" May 30 20:14:03 is it possible to boot off a usb drive (/dev/sda) or is the usb boot some special interface? May 30 20:14:10 <_av500_> yes May 30 20:14:18 _av500_: ubuntu + x86 all things! May 30 20:14:27 <_av500_> mranostay: of course May 30 20:14:39 <_av500_> Rickta59: no mass storage May 30 20:14:49 <_av500_> on BBB, usb boot is RNDIS+bootp May 30 20:14:58 k thanks May 30 20:15:08 <_av500_> np May 30 20:15:45 ka6sox: kewl! May 30 20:18:30 <_av500_> omg, people are wetting themselves because HTC ships a phone with android... May 30 20:18:51 my filters must be better than yours May 30 20:18:55 I'm not seeing anything May 30 20:19:04 <_av500_> mru: I have too many android devs circleed May 30 20:26:21 _av500_, with torches and pitchforks? May 30 20:27:49 it's a witch! burn, burn! May 30 20:32:27 can anyone tell me the correct setting for nss_CFLAGS and nss_LIBS, still can't get it to build properly May 30 20:32:32 wait, htc is still in business? May 30 20:32:37 on Angstrom May 30 20:33:22 bradfa: I believe their primary function these days is to be sued by nokia May 30 20:33:23 <_av500_> bradfa: it seems so May 30 20:36:34 well, nokia does need revenues, so I guess htc being around is a good thing, then May 30 20:37:19 foremost, nokia needs a _product_ May 30 20:38:01 mru, some might say patent trolling isn't a bad game May 30 20:44:28 <_av500_> its not May 30 20:44:33 <_av500_> see intellectual ventures May 30 20:44:51 it's getting harder by the day May 30 20:45:08 even governments have realised that outright trolls are bad May 30 20:45:25 the state of vermont sued one just last week May 30 20:45:41 <_av500_> well, good trolls dont have their own products May 30 20:49:19 anheuser busch -> this trolls for you ! May 30 20:49:31 afternoon gents, ladies May 30 20:49:47 <_troll_> morning m_billybob May 30 20:49:52 <_av500_> gah, had one beer and I feel drunk May 30 20:50:02 <_av500_> being old saves money :) May 30 20:50:08 _av500_: getting weak? May 30 20:50:13 _av500_, you're the best variety then May 30 20:50:19 a "cheap ddate" ;) May 30 20:51:02 _av500_: and at your size, no less May 30 21:00:06 _av500_: closer to death thing sucks though right? :) May 30 21:00:33 depends on how you see it May 30 21:01:10 we each have our lifetime May 30 21:01:25 the value of it does not depend on how far along it we happen to be May 30 21:01:29 hi May 30 21:01:41 some of our lives are filled with trolls May 30 21:01:50 I am having trouble with booting my beagleboard. Can someonehelp me? May 30 21:02:04 sure mr vague May 30 21:02:12 sorry could be ms vague May 30 21:02:36 Iam getting a May 30 21:02:49 MMC: block number 0x1 exceeds max(0x0) ** Can't read from device 0 ** May 30 21:02:51 error May 30 21:03:08 Wrong Image Format for bootm command May 30 21:03:12 too May 30 21:05:15 can someone help me with "Wrong Image Format for bootm command" and "MMC:block nmber 0x1 exceeds max(0x0)" erros I am getting at boot from my REV.C3 beagleboard? May 30 21:07:13 can someone help me with "Wrong Image Format for bootm command" and "MMC:block nmber 0x1 exceeds max(0x0)" erros I am getting at boot from my REV.C3 beagleboard? May 30 21:08:56 roamer: sounds like trying to load an image from a 0 sized card and then bootm failing because the kernel image doesn't contain the magic May 30 21:10:57 keesj : what do you mean? May 30 21:11:56 I mean the first problem to look at is the MMC error. did you upgrade u-boot or similar. May 30 21:12:16 this is my first beagleboard installation May 30 21:12:35 keesj this is my first beagleboard installation May 30 21:12:57 keesj I used : http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ May 30 21:13:05 files May 30 21:14:15 google returns http://elinux.org/Talk:BeagleBoardUbuntu (like running a modern boot script with an old u-boot or vice versa) May 30 21:15:01 try booting from MMC . I don't remember how to do that (pressing some button while booting) May 30 21:16:19 I don't know how many people use the "original" boards May 30 21:16:54 (END OF DAY HERE) May 30 21:17:03 good luck May 30 21:17:10 anyone have any experience with the camera cape? May 30 23:40:46 mourning May 30 23:43:41 hello ka6sox-farfarawa ! May 30 23:46:00 hiya vvu May 30 23:51:58 keep it down you two May 30 23:57:42 * vvu goes back into sleep mode! good night! May 31 00:03:24 When I connect my BeagleBone Black via mini USB-to-USB, I get 3 LEDS that constantly stay on and no connectivity. How do I solve this? May 31 00:05:04 how od I hook up serial terminal to beaglebone? via JTag? May 31 00:05:56 you mean without using USB at all? May 31 00:06:24 WA2EIN_: there are PINS on the board for this already and the doco for it is in the BBB SRM May 31 00:06:30 yes, direct serial. I bricked my bone May 31 00:06:35 ah, OK May 31 00:07:03 well, I imagine a USB<->serial dongle would work, may need to level shift though May 31 00:07:10 do I need RS2232 converter for TTL to RS-232? May 31 00:07:49 er May 31 00:07:51 3.3V on the beagle May 31 00:08:12 bbb? May 31 00:08:18 yes, is the JTAG TTL at 3.3V May 31 00:08:19 there are these guys https://www.adafruit.com/products/70 May 31 00:08:34 yes bbb May 31 00:08:43 WA2EIN: yes jtag is at 3.3v TTL May 31 00:09:09 does in have JTAG pins or just the USB<->JTAG interface? May 31 00:09:22 TY, I have the right level converter. I'll look up JTAG pin layout May 31 00:09:54 I want to hook up to JTAG directly if I can use it as serial interface May 31 00:10:14 WA2EIN: you can not use JTAG as a serial terminal May 31 00:10:27 TY May 31 00:10:33 prppalgue: is there a write up for flyswatter 2 to do both JTAG and Console serial for the BBB? May 31 00:10:40 it has UARTs as well May 31 00:10:59 You would have to add a JTAG header right? May 31 00:11:22 Suboptimus1: on the bbb yes May 31 00:11:26 simple enough May 31 00:11:32 abuse the sample system! May 31 00:11:35 ds2: i dont believe we have the "both" as of yet May 31 00:11:39 I will try to use UARTS but I dont know if they are muxed correctly to the pins without talking directly to the chip to set the mode, baud etc May 31 00:11:57 ds2: as we don't have TTL for flyswatter2 May 31 00:12:19 ds2: we have prototypes for flyswatter3 with TTL and other new featres May 31 00:12:25 I bricked the bone. Disabled connmand and cant log on May 31 00:12:46 WA2EIN_: serial console May 31 00:12:55 how May 31 00:13:26 WA2EIN_: BBB? May 31 00:13:36 yes BBB May 31 00:13:44 prpplague: oh? the last time you showed me the board you said it had a TTL input May 31 00:13:46 um, with a serial console cable May 31 00:13:51 guess I am confused May 31 00:14:20 I have RS-232 to 3.3V TTL, what pins do I use? The headers? May 31 00:14:44 ds2: flyswatter2? May 31 00:14:53 there are six pins next to the P9 connector May 31 00:14:53 WA2EIN_: yes, follow the SRM's doco on which pins are which May 31 00:15:02 ds2: flyswatter2 has never had TTL uart May 31 00:15:03 OK May 31 00:15:04 ty May 31 00:15:07 kids these days don't read the manual May 31 00:15:18 pin 1 is ground, pins 4 and 5 are rx/tx or tx/rx May 31 00:15:19 they need a youtube video May 31 00:15:21 I guess the UARTS are already connected to the header by default May 31 00:15:56 screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 May 31 00:16:01 bang, done May 31 00:16:20 I read but info is all over the place and confusing May 31 00:16:21 Just need tx, rx and gnd. Remember tx on one goes to rx on other and vice-versa May 31 00:16:36 prpplague: you had it in person last time you had a green case...just forgot where it was May 31 00:16:44 I have only been doing this stuff since 1963 May 31 00:17:06 ds2: nope, fs2 has never had TTL May 31 00:17:15 ds2: nor was it planned May 31 00:17:41 prpplague: 'k... my bad then. that was ur response to my complaining that the FS1 insisted on sending things to a level shifter May 31 00:18:19 ds2: i must have misunderstood your statements May 31 00:18:33 'k May 31 00:18:50 prpplague: how long ago was it that you were showing the green case? May 31 00:19:35 ds2: fs2 was release in october of 2011 in prague May 31 00:19:51 ds2: with followup at 2012 ELC May 31 00:20:03 prpplague: were you at 2012 ELC? May 31 00:20:07 ds2: yea May 31 00:20:40 so that must have been it May 31 00:47:49 Anyone. Am I correct in thinking that the serial debug output baud rate from the bbb could be adjusted through uEnv.txt ? May 31 00:56:41 probably May 31 00:57:08 serial debug output in the linux kernel is usually specified with a kernel cmd option and I think uEnv.txt can redefine those May 31 00:57:20 or in PC land, grub config May 31 00:58:27 Spirilis, BT dongles came in today ! May 31 00:58:35 time ot start futzing around May 31 00:58:48 nice May 31 01:01:22 heh i havent a clue how to set one of these up yet May 31 01:01:38 * m_billybob just hotplugged on into his bbb but doesnt expect it to work May 31 01:02:21 * m_billybob falls out of chair May 31 01:02:27 $sudo lsusb May 31 01:02:27 [sudo] password for yyrkoon: May 31 01:02:27 Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) May 31 01:02:27 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub May 31 01:05:39 Hi all - I'm a noob to the beaglebone and just got the beaglebone black yesterday May 31 01:06:07 hi May 31 01:06:47 I just tried running a C++ hello world program and it works fine, but for some reason, when I try an echo 1 > ledPin, it doesn't work May 31 01:07:47 sorry, echo 1>ledPin_brightness_file May 31 01:09:47 also, when it boots up with the default led activity, I monitored the brightness file for the LEDs and they are 255 or 0 May 31 01:10:45 Am I missing something? May 31 01:11:24 what happens with echo 255 May 31 01:11:26 where is the ledPin brightness file you're echoing to? May 31 01:12:54 m_billybob: that's what I got, Cambridge Silicon Radio May 31 01:13:33 echo 255 doesn't do anything either May 31 01:13:50 the led pin is at /sys/devices/ocp.2/gpio-leds.8/leds/beaglebone:green:usr0/brightness May 31 01:18:15 Oh, you know what? I was following the program given on this page here: http://learnbuildshare.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/beaglebone-black-controlling-user-leds-using-c/ May 31 01:18:26 Just realised that the 1 that's passed is a string object May 31 01:18:37 Just tried echo "1" and it's working May 31 01:18:38 :| May 31 01:25:39 Spirilis, yeah i have to do some reading, ive never messed with BT on a PC before so . . . May 31 01:26:01 definately dont know how to set it up on linux, but perhaps google will be kind to me as usual May 31 01:29:59 I did briefly find something on setting up networking over bluetooth, it's called PAN (personal area network) and the BlueZ tools have a pand daemon to manage such connections May 31 01:30:12 not sure if angstrom uses bluez for all its stuff or something else May 31 01:30:39 holy carp May 31 01:30:49 apt-get install bluetooth <--- wants to p;ull in 224MB on disk May 31 01:31:05 thats half the size of my current install May 31 01:31:45 yeah im not using angstrom im running debian May 31 01:32:08 wtf May 31 01:32:19 ta fuck is it installing? May 31 01:32:51 dbus and related crap May 31 01:33:15 did you get the nr24l01 stuff going yet on the BBB Spirilis ? May 31 01:35:34 Spirilis, its tryignto install a wall of text May 31 01:46:12 * mranostay does the Jayneil shake May 31 01:51:31 * SpeedEvil sighs. May 31 01:51:38 dependency hell May 31 01:53:09 SpeedEvil: have a beer... what is this one called.. May 31 01:53:12 especially fun if the platform does not have close to the storage needed May 31 01:53:21 Pike Kilt Lifter May 31 01:53:26 classy i say May 31 01:59:16 what isthe serial device name on a BBB, ttyO2? May 31 02:01:40 ttyO0 for the serial debug console on the 6-pin FTDI header May 31 02:03:27 Spirilis, do you happen to recall which packages you installed for your BT dongle on angstrom May 31 02:04:00 I didn't install any, it had some bluetooth stuff built in May 31 02:04:06 However I also haven't done anything with it :-) May 31 02:04:11 hoping for a minimal install bu everything ive foudn so far is saying "apt-get install bluetooth" hoping to avoid that 233MB wall of text if i can help it May 31 02:04:23 thanks Spirilis May 31 02:04:27 I really have just let my BBB's sit around until I get the nerve to play with devtrees and all May 31 02:04:44 I should be getting my cape boards in a week or 2 maybe from elecrow though May 31 02:04:54 Might have something to actually play with then. May 31 02:04:59 the launchpad thingies ? May 31 02:05:04 Yeah May 31 02:05:55 I have a cape to kind of toy with now, but its rev a and we're at like rev c now i think. May 31 02:06:08 wulf made some major changes May 31 02:06:27 and if these dongles work, there will be even more changes lol May 31 02:07:23 $1.71 dongle, not a bad price if they work resonably well May 31 02:08:44 yup May 31 02:08:50 damn I got gypped in comparison May 31 02:08:57 over $6 per unit from seeed May 31 02:09:13 wel lnow you have a link for future reference :) May 31 02:10:52 morning kaektech May 31 02:11:34 Evening, even, ka6sox! May 31 02:11:59 ka6sox, did you get a proper wake up call today ? ;) May 31 02:20:40 if i2c no ack, how to debug this? May 31 02:21:12 do you have a scope? May 31 02:21:55 yes May 31 02:22:56 I can see there is no ack from the scope May 31 02:23:30 but i do not know how to figure it out why there is no ack May 31 02:23:47 ACK should low for SDA May 31 02:23:57 but mine is HIGH May 31 02:24:16 ##electronics too May 31 02:24:24 most may be asleep May 31 02:24:36 asleep? May 31 02:25:01 Could you please give me any tips? May 31 02:25:22 Europe is asleep, and it's 10pm on the east coast May 31 02:25:40 unfortunatly not. May 31 02:25:52 yeah . May 31 02:26:01 been too long, and am not awake May 31 02:26:27 read any Satanists you have May 31 02:26:32 seat sheets May 31 02:26:42 datasheets May 31 02:26:45 sigh May 31 02:27:10 and check power supplies and polyps May 31 02:27:11 sigh too May 31 02:27:21 pull ups May 31 02:27:40 the schematic is same as beaglebone May 31 02:27:53 But i can't make i2c0 work May 31 02:28:07 i2c0 can't be probe any device May 31 02:28:30 because ack is wrong May 31 02:28:39 is the i2c in question actually hooked up to a physical device ? May 31 02:28:51 yes May 31 02:28:59 eeprom and TPS65217B May 31 02:29:04 two devices May 31 02:29:09 corrrect bus speed? May 31 02:29:15 yes 100K May 31 02:29:28 I have tested May 31 02:29:30 right pins ? May 31 02:29:47 yeah, I had checked. May 31 02:30:04 right pins and right pinmux May 31 02:30:17 well somethign is obviously wrong May 31 02:30:25 When i run same uboot on beaglebone , worked fine May 31 02:30:29 check the mux, recheck the mux, mux again May 31 02:31:37 but on my board , there is a NACK for me .So I can not probe any devices. May 31 02:32:02 OKay. I will recheck the mux May 31 02:32:16 well might be time ot make a simple test rig May 31 02:32:22 are you looking in uboot for it? May 31 02:32:25 somethign yo ucan probe May 31 02:35:21 * m_billybob would realy like to know WHY "fonts-droid" is necissary for bluetooth functionality May 31 02:35:37 especially since there is no X on this board lol May 31 02:36:09 I use fonts without X May 31 02:36:44 its installing like every printer driver under the sun too May 31 02:37:36 "hey this embedded install is too effign small lets make it bigger !" May 31 02:37:37 grr **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 31 02:59:58 2013