**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 01 02:59:58 2013 Jun 01 03:06:39 daemoon: keep in mind that everything else I may have to say has been influenced by the pub I just left. Jun 01 03:06:54 Do you have an android device? Jun 01 03:10:06 If so, install "fing" on that device, and scan your local network. Jun 01 03:12:56 The device that identifies itself as "Texas Instruments" probably has the IP address of your BeagleBone. Jun 01 03:18:05 I am literally about to throw my beagleboard xm out the window Jun 01 03:20:44 Are you going for distance, or speed? Jun 01 03:22:09 The perfect combination to make it shatter when it hits the street outside Jun 01 03:23:43 Then use a full arm motion, and aim for something stout. Jun 01 03:24:27 :) Jun 01 03:24:38 I think I will throw it on the ground right in front of my neighbors car, hope the board shatters and the pieces imbed themselves into the side of the car. Both effective and modern art :) Jun 01 03:25:43 im just building my bcc cape Jun 01 03:26:17 YAY, a voice of reason! Jun 01 03:28:11 As a real question, I think the issue is that the images are not getting onto the SD card correctly because all i get is the "60" in serial monitor when i try to boot. I have tried many images including reloading the official angstrom one and none work so far. Is there any other things i could try? Jun 01 03:30:07 Have you tried alternate SD cards? They do have a tendency to fail when you least expect it... Jun 01 03:30:18 I have 2 I have been trying Jun 01 03:31:31 and i have tried loading a ubuntu distribution through a linux computer, the angstrom original one through windows, both of which seem to have completed successfully the installation onto the card, but dont boot Jun 01 03:34:38 M'kay, try to reduce your sources of error. The board ships with Angstrom, get that to boot first. Then you can get fancy.\ Jun 01 03:35:19 well i have tried that and it didnt work, so i tried reloading it with the official instructions onto both cards and neither one works Jun 01 03:37:21 have you followed: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardAngstrom Jun 01 03:37:30 ? Jun 01 03:37:34 hi all Jun 01 03:37:43 hi Jun 01 03:42:27 yep i followed that Jun 01 03:47:04 OK, so lets revisit aerodynamics.How far do you think you can toss it without injuring an innocent bystander? Jun 01 03:47:50 a good mile! Jun 01 03:50:44 See what happens, and report back. Note #beagle is not obligated to your fees. Jun 01 03:51:43 ill have all the bills sent directly to kaektech :) Jun 01 03:56:55 heh. Jun 01 04:01:37 alright it traveled 1.27 miles. decent throw :) Jun 01 04:05:49 night, or morning! Jun 01 04:06:29 spartan 3A done Jun 01 04:16:46 hellp Jun 01 04:16:48 hello Jun 01 04:17:23 well both are true. I can not seem to connect to the internet on beagleboard when it is connectd to my Mac over ethernet or usb Jun 01 04:17:46 I have enabled internet sharing for both and ejected the drive to no avail. Any ideas? Jun 01 04:26:15 NoInternet: where is that ethernet connected to? Jun 01 06:27:39 https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/665208_10151641120302661_1761857687_o.jpg Jun 01 06:34:06 handsoldered the fpga? Jun 01 06:35:46 yes Jun 01 06:35:57 actualy the hardest thign on this board is not that fpga Jun 01 06:36:25 theres a coupel of SC70 gates Jun 01 06:36:28 my hand wouldn't be steady enough for that or is that one of these where you get away with some paste and doing a *swish* with the solderin iron? Jun 01 06:36:51 the tiny 6pin buggers? Jun 01 06:37:03 if you are goign to use an iron, no point ( and painful if you do ) to use paste Jun 01 06:37:11 yes, those tiny 6 pins Jun 01 06:37:40 I'd probably cop out and use super glue or such to keep them in place for soldering Jun 01 06:38:19 nah, its not hard Jun 01 06:38:26 just a pair of twezzers and your iron Jun 01 06:38:33 just put one pin down Jun 01 06:38:49 yeah, that helps indeed :) Jun 01 06:38:51 and double check its all still lined up Jun 01 06:38:55 and then solder Jun 01 06:39:19 i "spot" down a diagnoal set of pins on the tqfps Jun 01 06:39:33 just to make sure its all good Jun 01 06:45:36 the fpga is connected to quite many pins of the expansion connector. are you using gpmc? Jun 01 07:19:25 <_Sy_> Good morning. Jun 01 07:20:25 good moaning Jun 01 07:20:53 <_Sy_> Today I'm going to put debian on the BBB Jun 01 07:21:09 easy :) Jun 01 07:21:38 <_Sy_> Image is transferring to SD-Card now...is there a way to create an image / backup of whats on the eMMC now? Jun 01 07:22:06 usual backup tools should apply Jun 01 07:22:24 you could just boot from SD and then dd the emmc to a file Jun 01 07:22:33 (a file on the SD) Jun 01 07:22:42 or network Jun 01 07:24:20 or pipe it out over UART ;) Jun 01 07:26:14 hello Jun 01 07:27:56 <_Sy_> hi Jun 01 07:31:19 <_Sy_> Which of the distributions available is currently thought of as the best, most functional and complete for the BBB ? Jun 01 07:32:11 I'd expect angstrom when it comes to BBB specifics Jun 01 07:33:24 <_Sy_> ok, I'm having problems with building things on Angstrom, I'm told the same things build ok on debian and ubunto....last night I set static I/P addresses and DNS using connman, now everytime I reboot it doesn't remember the DNS settings. Jun 01 07:34:10 if you are after a general purpose distribution, then debian or ubuntU is probably easier due to the wide range of packages readily available Jun 01 07:34:27 hardware specific support _might_ be weaker (no idea) Jun 01 07:34:44 <_Sy_> All I need functional is the SD Card and Network. Jun 01 07:35:03 go with one of the latter two then Jun 01 07:39:35 dm8tbr: y u no mention buildroot? Jun 01 07:39:47 <_Sy_> Preparing an ubunto microSD isn't trival is it? Jun 01 07:39:57 KotH: I see it compilin, I'm hatin'! Jun 01 07:39:58 oh.. before i forget: JIHAD! CHOCOLATE! Jun 01 07:40:07 chocolate jihad! Jun 01 07:40:20 _Sy_: what is ubuntO? Jun 01 07:40:40 dm8tbr: typo, he wanted to write ubuntoo Jun 01 07:40:53 <_Sy_> sorry Ubuntu Jun 01 07:41:06 mh, could be ubuntwo ;) Jun 01 07:42:17 you mean suse? ;) Jun 01 07:43:56 <_Sy_> I've noticed that since switching to connman using static I/P's that resolv.conf is cleared on system reboot, even if I use ./set_nameservers to specify DNS in connman they are still empty on reboot. Jun 01 07:58:30 <_Sy_> omg, whats wrong with me???? is it me or are the instructions incorrect? http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone#BeagleBone-Ubuntu13.04%28Raring%29RootFileSystem Jun 01 07:58:39 <_Sy_> setting up microSD card doesn't seem correct Jun 01 07:59:34 <_Sy_> the microSD on my mac is disk2 Jun 01 07:59:56 looks just fine to me Jun 01 07:59:57 <_Sy_> the ubuntu image is a tar not an img Jun 01 08:00:41 yes, that's what the page says too, isn't it? Jun 01 08:01:32 <_Sy_> It says Extract image, but if you extract the file from the tar.xz, there is another tar Jun 01 08:03:55 <_Sy_> When I type tar xjF ubuntu-13.04-minimal.armhf-2013-05-05.tar.xz I get: Jun 01 08:04:31 <_Sy_> tar: Error opening archive: Child process exited with status 254Child process exited with status 254 Jun 01 08:04:59 your tar probably doesn't support xz then Jun 01 08:05:18 try to decompress the tar using xz first Jun 01 08:05:31 then 'tar xF ...' should work Jun 01 08:06:51 when configuring gpio for input on the BBB, how do I check if it's configured with pullup or pulldown? Jun 01 08:07:08 <_Sy_> ok, done that its doing something now, this is on OSX lion Jun 01 08:09:19 the instructions might only be tested for linux or at best some of the regular BSDs, so you might need to switch on your brain in some cases instead of flying blind Jun 01 08:10:17 Hi Folks. I have just got my BBB going and need some help Jun 01 08:10:44 Basically I cannot find the 8GB SD card I slotted into the system so I can format/partition it Jun 01 08:11:08 I am using the basic out of the box Angstrom and I plan to replace it with Debian Jun 01 08:11:14 tried looking under your desk? Jun 01 08:11:28 Desk.. or Desktop. Jun 01 08:11:35 it is alsready in the BBB Jun 01 08:11:40 you said you lost your sd-card Jun 01 08:11:58 No - I cannot find the device entry for my SD Card.. Jun 01 08:12:08 So I can mount it :) Jun 01 08:12:11 on the beaglebone or on the PC? Jun 01 08:12:28 On the Beaglebone Black (BBB) Jun 01 08:12:37 did you boot with the card inserted? Jun 01 08:12:48 <_Sy_> In the help for erasing microSD card, is the line dd if=/dev/zero of=${DISK} bs=1024 count=1024 correct ? Jun 01 08:13:02 No.. As the card does not have any system on it yet the BBB will not boot with the card in Jun 01 08:13:03 <_Sy_> I have an 8GB microSD card Jun 01 08:13:12 _Sy_: it looks fine Jun 01 08:13:22 <_Sy_> ty, what does /dev/zero mean ? Jun 01 08:13:32 marcwolf: it should ignore the card and boot from the eMMC Jun 01 08:13:33 Ok.. so /dev/zero is the actual card entry Jun 01 08:13:42 _Sy_: a device that only spits out '0' Jun 01 08:13:48 the binary kind of 0 Jun 01 08:13:51 <_Sy_> ty Jun 01 08:14:01 it's used to e.g. zero out drives Jun 01 08:14:06 <_Sy_> as you can probably tell, my linux knowledge is little Jun 01 08:14:09 or create large files Jun 01 08:15:32 Ok - I'll tryy and boot with the card in Jun 01 08:16:26 got 3 of the blue leds on but nothing further Jun 01 08:17:17 Nope.. not activity - it is just sitting there Jun 01 08:17:58 <_Sy_> OSX lion doesn't have 'parted' is that step important? Jun 01 08:18:44 _Sy_: OS X is BSD based not GNU, any scripts will have to be tweaked, you could always install something like MacPorts and install the required ports to get it working Jun 01 08:19:37 or take the lazy option like I did and use something the Debian Wheezy eMMC flasher :P Jun 01 08:20:08 or an image you can dump to a uSD card using dd Jun 01 08:20:25 _Sy_: yes, that step is vital Jun 01 08:20:27 btw dd syntax is different in OS X, so be sure you know what you're doing Jun 01 08:20:42 Can you tel me where the Bebian Wheezy flasher is. I can load it onto the card Jun 01 08:20:58 <_Sy_> This is turning into a major headache Jun 01 08:21:11 Obviously the Beagleboard is not finding the inserted SD ram card Jun 01 08:21:14 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Flasher Jun 01 08:21:32 <_Sy_> going right around the houses to resolve an issue that doesn't work in Angstrom Jun 01 08:21:58 that is called a learning experience Jun 01 08:22:10 :) Jun 01 08:22:22 <_Sy_> My head hurts already... Jun 01 08:23:07 you chose a steep learning curve by trying to do this on OSX Jun 01 08:23:46 _Sy_ I'm using OS X here, if you don't understand the BSD command line you'll find it extremely hard :) Jun 01 08:23:59 the quickest way would be to use a precompiled image and dd Jun 01 08:24:20 <_Sy_> I'll try debian Jun 01 08:25:09 <_Sy_> for debain, with the img file it should be the same as the Angstrom image: Jun 01 08:25:13 <_Sy_> diskutil list Jun 01 08:25:24 <_Sy_> diskutil unmount disk Jun 01 08:25:37 <_Sy_> sudo dd if=image.img of=disk bs=1m Jun 01 08:26:39 the disk names are different when writing files, /dev/disk2s1 for example becomes /dev/rdisk2 Jun 01 08:27:03 and you may need to do sudo diskutil unmount /dev/disk$WHATEVS Jun 01 08:27:43 when you first log in to Debian make sure you have locales installed, it's not on the eMMC flash image and the OS cries until it's installed :) Jun 01 08:28:10 <_Sy_> yep, don't this, I transferred the original Angstrom image using this procedure when I first got it Jun 01 08:28:41 :) Jun 01 08:30:06 <_Sy_> took me quite a long time to get everything set-up just so, with mySQL working in HA synchronising between two BBB's, now I have to scrap it all and start over with Debian :( Jun 01 08:31:49 so why scrap it then? Jun 01 08:32:01 if it ain't broke, don't fix it and all that Jun 01 08:32:27 <_Sy_> How can I keep it, when I reflash eMMC, won't that trash it all? Jun 01 08:33:05 of course, what I'm asking is - if it's working now why reflash at all? Jun 01 08:33:35 <_Sy_> Because I cannot get corosync, which is part of the cluster manager to compile under Angstrom Jun 01 08:33:46 ah Jun 01 08:34:01 <_Sy_> Been going around the same loop for days and cannot resolve it.... Jun 01 08:35:01 <_Sy_> nvm, having done all the hard work once and made lots of notes in evernote, hopefully this time around it won't take long....until I get to the next show stopper Jun 01 08:36:29 <_Sy_> Is the way SD card availability after boot from eMMC a beaglebone issue or just an Angstrom issue as I want to boot from eMMC and use microSD for external data storage? Jun 01 08:49:31 _Sy_: I hadn't tried until, now... but yeah it mounts fine Jun 01 08:53:10 Ok.. I have a TAR of Debian.. Now to put it onto the SD card. I am running windows Jun 01 08:54:14 marcwolf: you need to extract it, 7zip can handle tars Jun 01 08:54:53 but 7zip doesn't help much in partitioning or formatting the card.. Jun 01 08:55:13 Ok.. now have a directory of Debian. Jun 01 08:55:39 Defiant: well since I don't know how/what marcwolf is doing - I just answered his questions about tar ;) Jun 01 08:55:41 <_Sy_> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software Jun 01 08:56:22 I am running windows 7 and trying to put an debian image onto an SD card so I can boot it in my Beagleboard. Jun 01 08:57:20 i am running angstrom and i am trying to put windows 8 on an SD card to boot up a BBB. It doe'snt work, can anyone help me Jun 01 08:57:34 Win32DiskImager Jun 01 08:59:04 Diskimager takes am already prepared IMG file. All I have is a directory with -bone20 files in it Jun 01 09:00:23 <_Sy_> waiting for eMMC to flash now...forgot how long it takes Jun 01 09:00:46 _Sy_: if it's the Debian eMMC flasher only a few minutes, it's very minimal Jun 01 09:01:08 <_Sy_> ok, its been about 2 so far Jun 01 09:01:09 Ok.. Lets take this from the top. I have a new Beagleboard Black. It is running Angstrom. I want it to run Debian. If I put my blank SD card into the Beagle it hangs. If I boot it withut the card I then plug it in I cannot find the card on the beagle Jun 01 09:01:41 <_Sy_> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software <--- follow instructions on this page Jun 01 09:01:58 I need to somehow get an IMG of Debian for the Beagleboard Black onto a card so I can boot with it Jun 01 09:02:30 marcwolf debian is easy Jun 01 09:02:34 <_Sy_> make sure you hold in the boot switch with power off, then keep it down and apply power, wait a few secs then release button...follow instructions on that page Jun 01 09:02:56 marcwolf: I linked to Debian images earlier Jun 01 09:02:57 I DON"T WANT ANGSTROM!!! Jun 01 09:03:07 I'm running Wheezy right now off eMMC Jun 01 09:03:09 do you have a debian or ubuntu machine to create a sd-card with? Jun 01 09:03:21 <_Sy_> Its the same for debian, just use the debian img in place of the angstrom image Jun 01 09:03:25 No.. I have a windows 7 machine Jun 01 09:03:38 well, get a real o/s not a pretend one Jun 01 09:03:39 <_Sy_> I also have windows 7 machine. Jun 01 09:04:00 but even witn windog you can create a sd-card Jun 01 09:04:24 marcwolf: do you want Debian booting off eMMC or uSD? Jun 01 09:04:31 <_Sy_> All the links and utilities are there you just have to read it Jun 01 09:04:47 Either way is fine. Just NOT Angstrom. Jun 01 09:05:14 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Flasher Jun 01 09:05:17 <_Sy_> like I said, use the debian image file instead of the Angrsom image Jun 01 09:05:17 whats wrong with Angstrum Jun 01 09:05:28 Angerstrum Jun 01 09:05:53 marcwolf: use that link I just posted, and there is a prebuilt eMMC flasher image available Jun 01 09:06:02 Angermanagement ? Jun 01 09:06:15 _SYS- if you go to the page you will find Angstrom images.. There are NO debian images there Jun 01 09:06:17 install it like normal, apt-get update && apt-get install locales on first boot Jun 01 09:06:27 OMFG - http://rcn-ee.net/deb/flasher/wheezy/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.0.0-2013-05-29.img.xz Jun 01 09:06:45 maybe I'm on ignore :) Jun 01 09:07:05 maybe :-) Jun 01 09:08:01 Yes.. I extract the XZ and get a TAR.. I extract the TAR and get a directory.. NO IMG Jun 01 09:08:27 <_Sy_> Are you sure you have teh debain image and not ubuntu? Jun 01 09:08:48 <_Sy_> the name of the file is: debian-wheezy-7.0.0-armhf-minfs-3.8.12-bone17.img Jun 01 09:09:05 debian-7.0.0.console-armhf-2013-05-29 is the directory Jun 01 09:10:22 _Sy_: that's an old image :) Jun 01 09:10:32 3.8.13-bone20 :P Jun 01 09:10:36 it's 3 bones better Jun 01 09:10:48 <_Sy_> really ? bugger, I'l update again :( Jun 01 09:11:27 try the package management before you just go reimaging :) Jun 01 09:11:28 The reason I need Debian is that I will be using SimpleCV.. Angstrom does not have a SimpleCV libary Jun 01 09:12:03 <_Sy_> have you tried getting the source and building it on Angstrom? Jun 01 09:12:21 Angerscum is cool if you want to play Jun 01 09:12:34 if you ahve work to do, Debian is a good choice! Jun 01 09:13:21 <_Sy_> whats the package management tool in debian, yum ? Jun 01 09:13:31 apt-get Jun 01 09:13:37 <_Sy_> ty Jun 01 09:14:21 _Sy_ I have googled for the past 3 days on this.. The developer of SimpleCV say it will not work as Angstrom cut down on a fe of the Python packages. I am using a Beagle because I need a small size and the Raspberry Pi is not fast enought. Jun 01 09:14:47 ahh the rasberryLie Jun 01 09:15:26 do the image processing on a fpga cape ;) Jun 01 09:15:41 Well - I had SimpleCV running on it in 40mins and it was doing what I wanted but too slow. I haver had the Beagle for 3 days and have got... nowhere Jun 01 09:16:02 i had debian installed in about 20 minutes Jun 01 09:16:13 just read the instructions Jun 01 09:16:26 Yes.. If you start from a existing Linux system. Jun 01 09:16:28 <_Sy_> mines still transferrring from sd card to emmc, taking its time :) Jun 01 09:16:38 Angstrom does not even have SUDO??? Jun 01 09:18:06 <_Sy_> g2g, will be back l8r Jun 01 09:18:43 So.. does anyone know of a downloadable IMG for Debian that will work on the Beagleboard black.. Jun 01 09:18:56 hey Jun 01 09:19:21 marcwolf: yep the 1 I linked too, and am using right now Jun 01 09:19:37 Ok risc.. Where did you find it Jun 01 09:19:38 can anyone help me to install python on my beaglebone black (ubuntu) Jun 01 09:19:39 you should consider that your Windows tools aren't doing their jobs properly not that the image is at fault Jun 01 09:20:00 root@black:~# cat /etc/debian_version Jun 01 09:20:01 7.0 Jun 01 09:20:02 ... Jun 01 09:20:06 If I extract a TAR I should see and IMG.. Right Jun 01 09:20:20 well that image I've been linking to is a .IMG.TZ Jun 01 09:20:30 so if you use that you'll see a .IMG :) Jun 01 09:21:36 Right.. But I cannot find the IMG.TZ or TAR etc Jun 01 09:22:51 Ok - refound the link and downloading.. Many thanks risc.. I'll see how it goes Jun 01 09:22:52 i have installed the PyBBIO .But when i test the example.py i get en error Jun 01 09:24:15 marcwolf: now worries, and like I said before when you first log in as root do apt-get update && apt-get install locales :) Jun 01 09:26:39 no worries even :) Jun 01 09:51:12 risc, did you get it to work Jun 01 09:51:13 ? Jun 01 09:55:45 what? Jun 01 10:03:40 Many thanks - I have booted from the sd card with Debian. Now to get X and other things on there Jun 01 10:04:17 :) Jun 01 10:06:14 Do you use this build? Jun 01 10:06:42 i have used some earlier builds Jun 01 10:07:18 Does it have an X windows style interface Jun 01 10:07:30 no. Jun 01 10:07:34 why do you want one Jun 01 10:07:41 you probalby can install gnome or somethign Jun 01 10:08:02 Yes - I will be working with computer vision and seeing the images is helpful Jun 01 10:08:26 maybe a laptop might be more appropriate? Jun 01 10:08:36 marcwolf: is this a college assingment? Jun 01 10:08:53 when I want to see a single image I use x11 network transparency. Jun 01 10:09:11 No.. Q - how many of you have seen the movie Avatar and seen how they did the facial capture? Jun 01 10:09:25 not only seen the movie Jun 01 10:09:32 worked on the movie Jun 01 10:09:43 Basically I am trying to do teh dame but with fewer blobs. It must be self contained and portable.. Jun 01 10:10:07 Hence SimpleCV Jun 01 10:10:20 is this an assignetn? Jun 01 10:10:33 No.. It's a hobby Jun 01 10:10:37 cool Jun 01 10:10:50 Assignments and me parted ways 40 yeats ago :) Jun 01 10:10:55 there been a stack of people trying to get us to do their homework with opencv recnelty Jun 01 10:11:05 mrpackethead: heh Jun 01 10:11:10 I can understand that Jun 01 10:11:29 #beagle != #homework Jun 01 10:12:43 my first silicone pour http://www.marcwolf.org/gallery/default.aspx?moid=1693 Jun 01 10:13:17 mrpackethead: speaking of homework, would a hot air station + solder paste + average magnifier + maybe help from someone with non-shaky hands be sufficient to get the FPGA cape assembled? Jun 01 10:13:44 kfoltman: a regular soldering iron and solder is enough Jun 01 10:13:53 get some flux and some solder wick as well Jun 01 10:14:12 Actor (myself) will be in his neck area and with a camera build into a face mask. Blobs (dots around mouth) will be picked up and used to mnove servo on characters lips. Hence real time lipsyncing Jun 01 10:14:39 mrpackethead: you don't realize the degree of my clumsiness, I had a problem assembling a simple lm386 based amp on a stripboard a few days ago :-(( Jun 01 10:14:56 using hot air won't make it any easier Jun 01 10:15:20 mrpackethead: ok, that's good to know :) Jun 01 10:15:33 I already have a prototype running using IR Leds and the camera from a WII Remote.. However making the latex lips overing and the positioning of the LED's is time consuming. Hence using colored blobs that can be quickly appied Jun 01 10:17:40 kfoltman: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/665208_10151641120302661_1761857687_o.jpg Jun 01 10:18:01 this was all done with a soldering iron, normal solder, some flux and solder wick Jun 01 10:18:21 mrpackethead: that doesn't look any worse than soldering on, say, STM32F4DISCOVERY :) Jun 01 10:18:42 theres two parts that are quite fiddly Jun 01 10:18:47 but still quite doable Jun 01 10:19:18 quite a few people have asked if i'd do them assembled Jun 01 10:19:25 One thing I did was to use one of the USB microscope to do very fine soldering Jun 01 10:19:52 its just technique and practice Jun 01 10:19:59 its all quite diable Jun 01 10:34:54 a few years a go, i woudl have said the same as you Jun 01 10:37:23 * SpeedEvil is reminded of some articles he came across bemoaning that the new parts were hard to solder. Jun 01 10:37:43 impossibly fiddly. Jun 01 10:37:50 talking of DIP. Jun 01 10:38:18 lol. Jun 01 10:38:32 we routinely solder .4mm pitch now Jun 01 10:39:32 hi folks Jun 01 10:40:13 just started playing with my beaglebone black, but I'm a bit confused with the works of that cloud9 ide Jun 01 10:41:09 I'm not sure why, but sometimes the programs don't seem to run Jun 01 10:41:44 marcwolf: what was the user/pass you used for that debian image? Jun 01 10:42:45 root:root Jun 01 10:42:51 *of course! Jun 01 10:43:49 hm, it seems like reloading the ide page makes the bonescript code get unstuck Jun 01 10:50:01 i dont' get the whole angryscum-bonescript thing Jun 01 10:51:38 well, it sure is nifty to have an in-browser ide to control IO pins on the beagle Jun 01 10:51:58 Sorta of a nod towards the Arduino crowd Jun 01 10:52:09 sure, you can do this differently, but to get started easily, it's great Jun 01 10:53:51 I mean I bought the thing because I like running embedded servers, but I just needed some platform that had a lot of IO pins for a building project, and being able to start prototyping by just ripping out my SD card and booting is sweet Jun 01 10:54:45 Q.. I have an 8gb SD card which I have just put Debian Wheezy on to. How can I change the partition sizes as it looks like not all of the sd card is used Jun 01 10:55:13 use gparted Jun 01 10:55:24 but make a backup first Jun 01 10:55:25 jiHAD! Jun 01 10:55:31 CHOCOLATE! Jun 01 10:55:42 gparted command not found Jun 01 10:55:59 marcwolf: type df -h Jun 01 10:56:13 marcwolf: use da p0w3r of g00gl3 Jun 01 10:56:28 Wie ist heute Schweiz Jun 01 10:56:53 I would - except I find a link to diskpart... which also is not on the Debian install I have Jun 01 10:56:58 mrpackethead: it's the 1st of june, and all we had from summer was a summer thunderstorm last week Jun 01 10:57:10 not even spring yet... Jun 01 10:58:00 .o0(must sound weird to a kiwi, hearing someone complaining in june that it's not summer yet) Jun 01 10:58:38 It's the middle of winter here Jun 01 10:58:53 we had a very plesant first day of winter Jun 01 10:59:11 * mrpackethead is very aware the world is round Jun 01 10:59:12 marcwolf: ah.. an aussi! Jun 01 10:59:57 mrpackethead: yeah..and you are used to chatting long distance Jun 01 10:59:59 G'day Mate.. Chuck another Shirmp on the Barbie... Except I was born in the UK and still sound like I'm from the BBC Jun 01 11:00:21 lol Jun 01 11:00:27 mrpackethead: yes, the periphery is circular, nobody ever said otherwise Jun 01 11:00:56 http://bash.org/?142934 <- does someone remember this? Jun 01 11:01:45 nice Jun 01 11:02:55 mrpackethead: what stuff has a 0.4mm pitch? dfn/qfn? Jun 01 11:03:04 tqfps Jun 01 11:03:19 huh? they left 0.5mm-land? Jun 01 11:03:41 there are both .5 and .4 Jun 01 11:04:47 and 0.63mm Jun 01 11:04:58 havent seen any 0.4mm qfps yet Jun 01 11:05:18 but makes sense to lose another 20% when manufacturing gets better Jun 01 11:05:53 im quite pleased Jun 01 11:06:03 of? Jun 01 11:06:05 me? Jun 01 11:06:08 mru? Jun 01 11:06:10 debian is running stable on the bbb one the emcc Jun 01 11:06:11 the weather? Jun 01 11:06:34 * KotH would not have expected anything else Jun 01 11:07:26 Ok.. I'm trying to extend the root partion on the BBB. I am running it from a 8GB SD card. lvextend is not on the system is their another command? Jun 01 11:07:37 er.. Jun 01 11:07:49 marcwolf: you want to read up on what these different tools do and how Jun 01 11:08:19 marcwolf: lvextend will _NOT_ work on your sdcard (at least not unless you did the absolutely insane thing on putting an lvm on the sdcard) Jun 01 11:08:26 marcwolf: huh? is it not just partitions? then fdisk and resize2fs Jun 01 11:08:30 marcwolf: and you cannot resize a currently mounted partition Jun 01 11:08:43 marcwolf: and definitly not the one you are running from! Jun 01 11:08:50 KotH: you can, reloading the partition table will fail though Jun 01 11:08:54 KotH: sure you can Jun 01 11:09:01 since when? Jun 01 11:09:10 resize2fs can do online resizing Jun 01 11:09:11 last time i tried, the kernel blocked all atempts Jun 01 11:09:31 online growing has been supported quite some time Jun 01 11:09:36 hmm... Jun 01 11:09:36 even in ext* Jun 01 11:09:40 * KotH must be growing old Jun 01 11:09:43 xfs and jfs have supported it forever Jun 01 11:10:00 I think a lot of the problems I am having here is that the IMG that I have downloaded for the BBB is severly crippled. Jun 01 11:10:12 marcwolf: then build your own Jun 01 11:10:31 You can do an lvextend and then do a resize2fs Jun 01 11:10:37 marcwolf: crippled? it's Debian... just add what you need :P Jun 01 11:10:45 marcwolf: takes about a day or two for anyone fluent in linux... a week or two for someone not fluent in linux Jun 01 11:10:47 Sorry 0 I'nt know how to private message on here Jun 01 11:10:48 lvextend works on lvm volumes Jun 01 11:11:04 good Jun 01 11:11:13 * KotH just thought the same Jun 01 11:11:19 :> Jun 01 11:12:31 For me.. The Op system is a tool. One installs it and used it. Sorry if that offends. 99% of my work involves either using preconfigured packages or installing add-ons that also works. It's also one of the reasons that I Never suggest Linux as an enduser product Jun 01 11:12:55 marcwolf: well I think you want Ubuntu then, not Debian :P Jun 01 11:13:05 marcwolf: there is nothing wrong with treating an OS like a tool Jun 01 11:13:08 then the embedded world might not be a convenient place... Jun 01 11:13:15 marcwolf: but you still should know how to use your tools Jun 01 11:13:35 marcwolf: you wouldnt use a swiss army chainsaw without knowing hot to handle it, would you? Jun 01 11:13:40 Koth - I can use the tools IF they are available on the base system. Jun 01 11:13:42 s/hot/how/ Jun 01 11:13:52 KotH: damn, I was about to hand him a chainsaw Jun 01 11:14:00 marcwolf: the base system is just another tool Jun 01 11:14:03 mru: you still can Jun 01 11:14:09 marcwolf: do you understand how Debian works? there are 30K+ packages available... you want them all pre-installed? Jun 01 11:14:15 mru: though he is not from alaska ;) Jun 01 11:14:21 indeed Jun 01 11:14:36 so there's a good chance he doesn't know how to use one Jun 01 11:14:39 Koth - I was using Unix and Xenix prob before you were born.. Ok. I even know what CP/M is and have used/programmed in it Jun 01 11:15:04 *plonk* Jun 01 11:15:06 mru: http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1996-07.html Jun 01 11:15:20 yeah.. plonk is the right answer to that Jun 01 11:17:08 risc.. The basic things that one would expect is firstly a bootable systems, and secondly tools to set up and resize the harddrives. Jun 01 11:17:31 you have a bootable system, and access to all the tools you want using apt-* Jun 01 11:17:34 learn how to use Debian Jun 01 11:18:18 marcwolf: just because you want something 1 way, doesn't mean the person who created the image wanted it that way... and seriously with apt-cache search and apt-get install you should be able to find everything you need Jun 01 11:19:36 Ok.. It late here and I have been fighting it all day.. I'll call it a night. Thanks everyone for all of your advice and help Jun 01 11:19:58 ... Jun 01 11:19:58 good riddance Jun 01 11:20:17 ... Jun 01 11:20:18 lol Jun 01 11:20:26 indeed Jun 01 11:20:41 mru: should i have told him, that i'm actually 60 and grew up with at&t unix? Jun 01 11:20:49 :) Jun 01 11:21:12 tell him you're brian kernighan Jun 01 11:21:45 hi ! Jun 01 11:21:53 oh, it just gets worse Jun 01 11:22:01 good beerJIHAD morning mranostay Jun 01 11:22:11 <_troll_> hi mranostay Jun 01 11:22:12 yes effing early Jun 01 11:22:33 just go back drinking with neighbors Jun 01 11:22:46 get busy Jun 01 11:22:54 i should sleep Jun 01 11:23:01 you and me both Jun 01 11:23:07 mranostay: trolls don't sleep Jun 01 11:23:10 * m_billybob hasnt ben to sleep yet Jun 01 11:23:14 drinking with interns before that.. then drinking with OTC at Intel Jun 01 11:23:32 last 12 hours have been social and drinkings.. Jun 01 11:23:36 otc? Jun 01 11:24:18 mru: yeah Open Source Technology Center Jun 01 11:24:37 * mranostay got moved into that already Jun 01 11:24:56 over here OTC is an army thing Jun 01 11:25:06 drinking with interns Jun 01 11:25:08 mmm Jun 01 11:25:12 any cute ones Jun 01 11:25:39 mranostay: before or after drinking? Jun 01 11:25:42 mrpacket_: ^^ Jun 01 11:25:52 mrpacket_: it is intel what you think? Jun 01 11:26:00 95% guys Jun 01 11:26:11 yeah, all the cute ones are at TI Jun 01 11:26:19 and google Jun 01 11:26:38 at TI? never saw those Jun 01 11:26:48 and google is overrated Jun 01 11:27:04 i turned down a job at google Jun 01 11:27:04 google is overrated in just about every way Jun 01 11:27:25 the recruiter could'nt belive it Jun 01 11:27:33 " no one turns down google " Jun 01 11:27:43 reminds me, I haven't heard from their recruiters in a while Jun 01 11:27:49 heh i would accept google for the line on my resume Jun 01 11:28:26 who needs a resume? Jun 01 11:28:27 although seems nobody leaves intel on purpose Jun 01 11:28:34 my soul has been recovrered from the evil corporates Jun 01 11:28:46 and they are not having it back Jun 01 11:28:48 mranostay: they have a lock-in programme? Jun 01 11:29:04 arm has all sorts of incentives to stay Jun 01 11:29:09 delayed-release shares and such Jun 01 11:29:43 mru: yes kinda Jun 01 11:30:13 mrpacket_, im with you on that Jun 01 11:30:54 personally i like intel so far.. and oregon so far Jun 01 11:31:11 everything is nice the first month Jun 01 11:31:16 heh Jun 01 11:31:38 not my last job.. i knew i effed up in week one : Jun 01 11:31:39 :) Jun 01 11:31:59 wait until all manner of policies start getting in the way of you doing your job Jun 01 11:32:25 and then what's usually the final drop, the annual performance review Jun 01 11:32:26 that is any company that is over 50 people Jun 01 11:32:46 yep Jun 01 11:33:08 you have to know how to play that shit Jun 01 11:33:21 i love the self-focal review crap :) Jun 01 11:33:26 but I don't want to play that game Jun 01 11:33:26 like doing your job, and well ? Jun 01 11:33:35 m_billybob: has nothing to do with it Jun 01 11:34:07 m_billybob: pays well and is reasonable :P Jun 01 11:34:15 who enjoys working? Jun 01 11:34:20 they'll haul you over the coals for lacking 'teamwork' skills no matter what you do Jun 01 11:34:29 I do because i work for myself :) Jun 01 11:34:40 do what i want when i want. mostly Jun 01 11:34:43 or not 'communicating' well Jun 01 11:34:59 * vvu salutes everybody ! Jun 01 11:35:03 m_billybob: so do I Jun 01 11:35:14 mru: yeah i find that shit annoying... meetings for hours on a task that takes half the time Jun 01 11:35:19 I figure if they were going to fire me, they'd have done so already Jun 01 11:35:37 i usually just do without asking.. which depends on the manager if they get pissed off Jun 01 11:35:58 i'm sure my last job i was close to getting fired... didn't care :) Jun 01 11:36:46 mru: micromanagers blow... Jun 01 11:36:59 they know I don't give a shit about being fired Jun 01 11:37:03 it's not a threat Jun 01 11:37:16 lol. Jun 01 11:37:38 reminds me of my run in with the idiots at "un-named multinatonal IT company" Jun 01 11:37:48 btw i love i had three calls after i accpeted intel :) Jun 01 11:37:55 i resigned. Jun 01 11:37:59 the CEO called Jun 01 11:38:15 "what do i have to do to get you to change your mind" Jun 01 11:38:27 by that time it's usually too late Jun 01 11:38:41 yeah once you give notice it is too late Jun 01 11:38:52 " you would need a time machine and go back 18 months " Jun 01 11:38:55 you can always retract it Jun 01 11:39:02 but the reasons you did it won't go away just like that Jun 01 11:39:07 yeah Jun 01 11:39:12 ironically, i ended up staying Jun 01 11:39:18 but not as an employee Jun 01 11:39:19 bargaining chip is only plus Jun 01 11:39:24 i came back as a contractor Jun 01 11:39:32 they paid me 3x as much Jun 01 11:39:35 most companies have rules against that Jun 01 11:39:47 and i didn'nt have to deal with the stupid rules Jun 01 11:40:08 frankly this whole industry is fucked.. i just want to drain the most money possible from whoever will pay me :) Jun 01 11:40:28 i had turned one of their buines units aroudn from sucking $400k/month Jun 01 11:40:32 to turning in a profit Jun 01 11:40:48 that was half of the countrys numbers Jun 01 11:40:56 "management/JobCreators(tm) are not creating value... they're strip-mining value off employees and the society" Jun 01 11:41:01 they had 600 staff Jun 01 11:41:04 my "team" had 40 Jun 01 11:41:17 we produced 50% of the profit for the entire company Jun 01 11:41:24 mrpacket_: bigger than the whole engineering dept at where I work :) Jun 01 11:41:44 i ony had 5 high level engineer Jun 01 11:42:05 the rest where process monkeys Jun 01 11:42:19 back in teh day when you needed data center operators Jun 01 11:42:20 teamwork is important but if the team sucks :P Jun 01 11:42:48 ok, its bed time Jun 01 11:42:58 you are telling me Jun 01 11:43:14 and i'm 19 horus ahead of you Jun 01 11:46:22 Hi Folks.. I think I just found out something re the installation.. Where I put the image on the sd-card... it has been moved to the eMMc is it possible to just set things up to bood from the card? Jun 01 11:48:37 marcwolf: if you downloaded the image I pointed to that was an eMMC flasher, on the same page there are SD card images... Jun 01 11:49:35 sorry - can you repost link Jun 01 11:50:24 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian - read that and get the image you want Jun 01 11:50:43 originally I asked you if you wanted it on eMMC or uSD you said either, so I posted a link to an image I use and know works Jun 01 11:52:51 The eMMC has an issue with space. Atlease now I am runnign debian the wget etc will work Jun 01 11:53:52 from what I can read.. (and there is a lot) I use the NetInstall Jun 01 11:54:53 yep, that's basically what you have on your eMMC now Jun 01 11:55:18 netinstall, and add the stuff you need... just don't complain if it's not included by default ;) Jun 01 11:55:29 if you want the kitchen sink install Ubuntu Jun 01 11:56:22 I can see it also includes the gnome desktop. I was trying to do that install and I ran out of space hence trying to extend the partion Jun 01 11:56:29 risc: won't that give you just the drain pipe? Jun 01 11:56:59 comes with a couple of taps too :P Jun 01 11:57:38 Basically with gnome (graphical) I can ten get SimpleCV to run and that is all I need it for. Jun 01 11:57:51 cool :) Jun 01 11:58:19 Angstom did'nt support simplecv Jun 01 12:12:39 mru: i have a new thing about state machines for you: they grow like cancer Jun 01 12:13:15 mru: i'm now writting the 6th statemachine for a msp430, that was supposed to have not even half as much code as it does now Jun 01 12:17:36 Hi Risc.. Can you check something forme.. can you got the page that had the debian installation Jun 01 12:18:37 <_av500_> KotH: using external program memory by now? Jun 01 12:18:53 bitbanging ddr yet? Jun 01 12:19:36 In the Debian Netinstall section is am using the --dtb am335x-beaglebone option and when I run the script it is saying that that device does not exist Jun 01 12:20:37 _av500_: we are thinking about attaching a floppy drive Jun 01 12:21:04 sudo ./mk_mmc.sh --mmc /dev/mmcblk0 --dtb am335x-boneblack --distro wheezy-armhf Jun 01 12:22:20 and I get back does not regonise device and it then give a list thay doesnt include the black Jun 01 12:32:23 <_av500_> KotH: no datasette? Jun 01 12:32:48 we couldnt find any working tape recoder anymore Jun 01 12:33:23 and the paper tape was a little big Jun 01 12:34:18 * KotH just learned a new word: "automatischer Weitersender mit gesteuerter Streifenzuführung" Jun 01 12:36:59 hah Jun 01 12:37:15 sounds like a telex converter for overseas connections Jun 01 12:38:18 my dad once found in a junk box a "voice-actuated call diverter" Jun 01 12:38:43 a shoebox-sized contraption with a numeric keypad and some circuitry inside Jun 01 12:39:01 never figured out what it did, stripped it for parts Jun 01 12:39:57 that sounds like a answering machine Jun 01 12:40:18 or the precursor of a dial-in mailbox system Jun 01 12:40:30 it was not an answering machine Jun 01 12:40:42 or maybe it was just something some kid did long long ago and gave it a fancy name Jun 01 12:41:06 I'm sure it was a real thing Jun 01 12:41:08 Or a DTMF actuated system, where you program the activation code with the keypad Jun 01 12:41:19 the transmorgrifier is a real thing too! Jun 01 12:42:05 it was too professionally built to be a joke of some kind Jun 01 12:42:24 and it was found on the scrap heap at ericsson Jun 01 12:44:55 <_Sy_> hi Jun 01 12:45:02 lo Jun 01 12:45:11 <_Sy_> I've just applied the debian image to my eMMC... Jun 01 12:45:23 <_Sy_> it boots, but will not accept telnet connection Jun 01 12:45:31 <_Sy_> connection refused Jun 01 12:45:55 people still use telnet? Jun 01 12:46:09 <_Sy_> sorry I mean ssh Jun 01 12:46:13 * mru once had to write a telnet client in java Jun 01 12:47:42 <_Sy_> I'm using putty and I use telnet for a lot of devices, but the connection I had for Angstrom with IP on ssh no longer works, a dialog appears saying connection refused. Jun 01 12:47:58 mru: i didnt know you were into BDSM Jun 01 12:48:14 KotH: I was young and needed the money Jun 01 12:48:55 _Sy_: maybe you forgot to make a sacrifice to the goddess of remote logins Jun 01 12:50:34 _Sy_: stay in the channel, please Jun 01 12:50:48 <_Sy_> ok Jun 01 12:51:02 is sshd running on your beagle? Jun 01 12:51:14 evidently not Jun 01 12:51:18 <_Sy_> How can I tell ? I can't get on it at the moment Jun 01 12:51:26 rs232... Jun 01 12:51:28 you don't have a serial connection? Jun 01 12:51:35 <_Sy_> I just wrote the flash BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.0.0-2013-05-29.img Jun 01 12:51:50 k i have no idea what that provides Jun 01 12:52:09 what does it say it will provide? Jun 01 12:52:27 ip over usb? Jun 01 12:52:32 ip on ethernet? Jun 01 12:52:58 does it show up as a gadget? Jun 01 12:52:58 <_Sy_> no idea, I assumed wrongly that it would provide the same functionality as Angstrom Jun 01 12:53:17 <_Sy_> a window to the device opens in explorer Jun 01 12:53:19 _Sy_: sacrifice money to the goddess of serial interfaces Jun 01 12:53:37 explorer? are you on windows? Jun 01 12:53:51 <_Sy_> Yes, Windows 7 64.... Jun 01 12:54:04 well... Jun 01 12:54:04 a window .. so it mounted a drive? Jun 01 12:54:09 <_av500_> _Sy_: why not ask whoever made that image? Jun 01 12:54:11 <_Sy_> yes Jun 01 12:54:22 <_av500_> or ask your money back Jun 01 12:54:42 can you go to 192.168.7.2 in a browser? Jun 01 12:54:46 <_av500_> or apt get install telnet Jun 01 12:55:06 <_av500_> Rickta59: its debian, not angstrom Jun 01 12:55:39 i had one image that wasn't angstrom that provided that stuff .. hmm.. maybe i forget tried so many different flavors Jun 01 12:55:56 <_Sy_> mmm...I fixed the IP addresses in my router according to the MAC addresses on the devices, but yes I can load Jun 01 12:56:22 <_Sy_> All I see in the browser is AJAX_terminal.html Jun 01 12:56:34 <_Sy_> when I click on the link I'm prompted for a login Jun 01 12:56:35 ok click on that and log in Jun 01 12:56:50 whatever the image said was the password and userid Jun 01 12:57:11 <_Sy_> arm login, trying to locate password now Jun 01 12:57:11 yeah that is a virtual login Jun 01 12:57:58 shell in a box .. i get that also with ubuntu Jun 01 12:58:32 <_av500_> I guess login is disabled for security reasons Jun 01 12:58:37 <_av500_> these days one can never know Jun 01 12:59:50 try debian Jun 01 12:59:57 and temppwd Jun 01 13:00:08 you can't login as root Jun 01 13:00:21 <_Sy_> thats it, I'm in with debian and temppwd Jun 01 13:00:42 k .. no ssh or telnet needed , just a browser Jun 01 13:01:01 <_Sy_> mmmm...bit painful Jun 01 13:01:18 jeez .. it is so much better to be locked out Jun 01 13:01:49 <_Sy_> didn't mean that, but it won't even accept '-' so I can't type ls -l Jun 01 13:02:34 i get a full terminal that works fine Jun 01 13:02:37 what browser? Jun 01 13:02:45 <_Sy_> firefox Jun 01 13:02:48 trry chrome Jun 01 13:03:25 <_Sy_> yep, works in chrome.... Jun 01 13:03:42 <_Sy_> can I enable ssh ? Jun 01 13:03:52 see if it is already running Jun 01 13:04:19 <_Sy_> doesn't look like it ps -A | grep ssh, nothing Jun 01 13:04:29 netstat -na | grep 22? Jun 01 13:04:48 <_Sy_> nothing Jun 01 13:04:53 without the ? or course Jun 01 13:05:00 <_Sy_> did that, nothing Jun 01 13:05:18 you don't like the web terminal? Jun 01 13:06:10 <_Sy_> its ok, I guess it will do, but I'm guessing I can't use sftp to transfer files without sshd ? Jun 01 13:06:41 you can pull stuff from the BBB Jun 01 13:07:03 or just apt-get install sshd Jun 01 13:07:16 it's a debian after all Jun 01 13:07:31 so .. where do you plan to put all the mysql/corosync Jun 01 13:07:37 is that going to fit on the eMMC drive? Jun 01 13:07:48 .o0(in the cloud) Jun 01 13:08:13 * has been avoiding using the eMMC for anything Jun 01 13:08:44 <_Sy_> I think it will fit, the data itself will go on the SD card Jun 01 13:09:39 <_Sy_> Do I need to run apt-get under root ? Jun 01 13:09:49 <_Sy_> su apt-get install sshd ? Jun 01 13:09:58 sudo apt-get... Jun 01 13:10:01 <_Sy_> Got Permission denied without su Jun 01 13:10:06 or just login as root Jun 01 13:10:09 sudo -i Jun 01 13:10:42 <_Sy_> its reading package now Jun 01 13:11:21 <_Sy_> Unable to locate package sshd Jun 01 13:11:53 <_Sy_> got ssh Jun 01 13:12:33 not sure i got my by installing nfs-common Jun 01 13:14:01 openssh-server Jun 01 13:14:26 <_Sy_> yay ssh now works Jun 01 13:15:29 <_Sy_> any idea what the root password when first installed? Jun 01 13:16:14 same as debian Jun 01 13:16:29 <_Sy_> won't let me in with temppwd Jun 01 13:16:41 you can't login as root Jun 01 13:16:57 <_Sy_> is that a debian thing? Jun 01 13:17:05 yeah .. you can set a passwd Jun 01 13:17:09 then i think it lets you Jun 01 13:17:18 <_Sy_> ok. Jun 01 13:18:37 <_Sy_> I've changed the password for debian, are you saying you can't login as root? Jun 01 13:19:04 i don't i just don't do it Jun 01 13:19:07 i login as myself Jun 01 13:19:11 and then su Jun 01 13:19:21 i haven't looked into how to change it Jun 01 13:19:28 seems like a good thing to me Jun 01 13:19:47 <_Sy_> ok, but then how do u change the password for root ? Jun 01 13:20:22 i don't have the answer you would have to check debian docs Jun 01 13:20:52 <_Sy_> ok, sorry, for all the questions in angstrom I would use opkg list, whats the equiv in debian? Jun 01 13:21:09 easiest is to mount the sd card in your desktop,do chroot and call passwd Jun 01 13:21:56 i use the gui tools .. i haven't spent any time learning dpkg and apt-cache Jun 01 13:22:01 you can't 'directly' chroot into an ARM rootfs from an x86/64 system Jun 01 13:22:29 apt-cache pkgnames Jun 01 13:22:45 apt-cache --help Jun 01 13:22:52 apt-get --help Jun 01 13:22:54 <_av500_> _Sy_: there is also #debian Jun 01 13:23:01 sam900: sure you can with binfmt Jun 01 13:23:07 dpkg --help Jun 01 13:24:56 <_Sy_> damit, the problem now is the debian image seems to occupy a hell of a lot more space than the Angstrom image. Jun 01 13:25:29 there is a reason they use angstrom on the eMMC Jun 01 13:25:32 that's kind of the point of angstrom Jun 01 13:25:57 <_Sy_> Angstrom would be the natural choice if it worked, but a lot of it doesn't. Jun 01 13:26:00 my suggestion would be leave angstrom on the eMMC Jun 01 13:26:13 and put other "test" os spins on the sdcard Jun 01 13:26:38 that way you always have a bootable device by just pulling the crd Jun 01 13:26:41 sdcard Jun 01 13:29:44 <_Sy_> All very annoying, now have to go back to Angstrom image then set-up debian on SD card... Jun 01 13:30:47 sorry, i wouldn't have expected you to load debian on the eMMC Jun 01 13:31:03 hello Jun 01 13:31:31 i nhel me with my beaglebone black Jun 01 13:31:40 i nedd help Jun 01 13:33:17 what kind of help? Jun 01 13:34:29 probably of the helping kind ;) Jun 01 13:34:39 meta-help Jun 01 13:34:54 he needs help asking a question Jun 01 13:34:56 maycol: state what problem you have, what you have tried to do, why it failed, etc pp Jun 01 13:35:15 mru: that would be helpfull indeed Jun 01 13:37:54 perhaps help reading the topic of the chat channel? Jun 01 13:41:23 anybody doing pin-muxing with Angstrom demo image? Jun 01 13:41:42 I want to enable UART1 & 2 Jun 01 13:42:07 is there a bbb faq somewhere? Jun 01 13:44:42 WA2EIN: http://www.google.com/search?q=beaglebone+black+uart Jun 01 13:52:20 how do I know if my eMMC is flashing? I followed the directions like 5 times but i don't think its working Jun 01 13:52:34 i let it run for an hour and all for lights never turn on Jun 01 13:52:44 or stay on Jun 01 13:54:34 brendan if you are using the latest img, you need to also hold down the power button to get it started Jun 01 13:55:05 if working, after a while, you should see heavy use of the MMMc LED Jun 01 13:55:19 KotH TY Jun 01 15:22:09 hi Jun 01 15:23:20 after powering-on my beaglebone black, it starts to boot, the kernel's heartbeat appears, then it suddenly shutdowns (every led, even the power one, goes off) Jun 01 15:23:30 after a couple of seconds Jun 01 15:23:58 if i don't plug ethernet, it stays stable (but i can't access it through ssh, so it's useless) Jun 01 15:24:18 any idea what it means ? Jun 01 15:25:11 i had similar problems when I didn't let the reflashed SD card finishing loading onto the onboard storage Jun 01 15:37:01 mastiff: what do you mean ? the emmc is not used in my situation, i'm trying to boot from sd Jun 01 15:37:23 (oh, i thought i said it but actually no) Jun 01 15:40:50 hello Jun 01 15:41:11 crontad in beaglebonebalk is working? Jun 01 15:42:39 You might be trying to boot from SD, but actually be reflashing the eMMC. Jun 01 15:42:55 Not sure exactly what you are doing, just something to check. Jun 01 15:44:14 Put the SD in, power up and let it sit for an hour. Then power down, take the SD out and see if it boots up normally. Jun 01 15:46:55 do you mean, without pushing the boot button Jun 01 15:46:59 ? Jun 01 15:47:04 yeah Jun 01 15:55:38 Anyone know why I keep getting device not recognized on my BBB when i plug into my computer? Jun 01 17:01:10 BeagleBone + BeBoPr + LinuxCNC + MendelMax Printing : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2IoHOZipLU Jun 01 17:03:35 <_Sy_> Very nice Jun 01 17:14:05 morning Jun 01 17:15:34 av500: pm me your post address Jun 01 17:15:34 <_Sy_> where r u, its 18:15 here Jun 01 17:16:06 UGT Jun 01 17:16:23 Oregon, US if it matters Jun 01 17:18:11 neat re 3d printer working with it Jun 01 17:18:24 GMT for ever Jun 01 17:18:24 <_Sy_> Whats the weather like, so far its been a terrible summer Jun 01 17:18:35 been pretty great here in the sunny bay area :) Jun 01 17:18:36 sunshine here Jun 01 17:18:46 <_Sy_> yep, would like a 3D printer myself, can't really justify the price yet. Jun 01 17:18:51 * maxinux 's mendelmax is still ramps controlled behind him Jun 01 17:19:14 <_Sy_> yesterday was good, today is cold and cloudy again Jun 01 17:19:15 are you going to change that to a BBB maxinux ? Jun 01 17:19:28 doubtful, i see no benefit to changing it out Jun 01 17:19:37 i do remote controlled printing as is Jun 01 17:19:41 print via sd Jun 01 17:19:57 _Sy_: wrong part of the country Jun 01 17:20:04 mru: get that tattooed Jun 01 17:20:35 <_Sy_> its going to revolutionise industry...getting customer cases made is very expensive, yet with a 3d printer you can make your own. Jun 01 17:20:59 i dunno about that Jun 01 17:21:08 its still expensive to print, and reliability.. is .. not there yet Jun 01 17:21:18 my stuff is pretty reliable, but always run into odd issues Jun 01 17:22:36 i'm waiting for the 3d printer that has tubes for chips and spools of wire so it can make a block of electronics no pcb required Jun 01 17:22:37 <_Sy_> getting custom boxes made in small quanties is extremely expensive. Jun 01 17:23:03 <_Sy_> I'd like a star trek voyager style replicator :) Jun 01 17:26:46 * SpeedEvil states 'Tea, earl grey, hot' into the middle distance. Jun 01 17:27:27 <_Sy_> Thats next gen isn't it, pickard ? Jun 01 17:33:57 Hey, keep your voice down, that triggered my replicator. Jun 01 17:34:58 * fiola sends an override to turn the earl grey into a coffee Jun 01 17:36:52 Hmmm, bergamot-flavoured coffee. I guess the override script needs some attention. Jun 01 17:43:44 <_Sy_> Resistance is futile fiola you will be assimulated! Jun 01 17:44:49 Eeek Jun 01 17:46:53 Sun just popped out, defer the assimilation! 3 mins should be more than enough. Jun 01 17:49:39 <_Sy_> make it so no.1 Jun 01 17:57:13 * fiola rolls eyes at the snoring coming from No. 1' seat and smirk of amusement from Communications. Spok just looks confused. Jun 01 17:59:52 <_Sy_> :) Jun 01 18:01:29 are you guys high right now? Jun 01 18:01:58 <_Sy_> as a kite :) Jun 01 18:02:59 Of course we are. ST was a cultural high :-) Jun 01 18:04:03 <_Sy_> Really enjoyed the new movie too Jun 01 18:04:29 Not seen, good? Jun 01 18:04:57 <_Sy_> very good Jun 01 18:05:12 <_Sy_> won't spoil the plot but definately worth seeing Jun 01 18:05:18 Cheers Jun 01 18:06:54 <_Sy_> Got both systems (BBB's) back to eMMC Angstrom image, both doing updates atm, no further forward getting corosync to work, have setup virtual machine running Ubuntu, will use this for cross platform dev. Jun 01 18:07:16 <_Sy_> If I have ubuntu on SD card does that mean that if I want to boot from SD card I have to hold down button? Jun 01 18:15:35 _Sy_: either that or you can modify uenv or mlo Jun 01 18:16:22 <_Sy_> uenv ? mlo ? Jun 01 18:26:37 the local crossdresser just turned up at pub Jun 01 18:27:33 http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/02/15/gumstix-introduces-geppetto-web-platform-to-design-custom-embedded-boards/ nuhu, I wonder how well that works... Jun 01 18:27:50 mru: evening entertainment secured? Jun 01 18:29:04 can you guys not talk so loud? Jun 01 18:30:36 * mranostay drinks some of prpplague's magic coconut water Jun 01 18:33:01 I think I read in the system reference manual that the BBB can toggle power to its USB port, does anyone know more? Jun 01 18:33:12 I have a USB plasma ball and I want to use it for an indicator Jun 01 18:34:57 heh Jun 01 18:46:23 <_Sy_> the update of angstrom is taking so long this time around, makes me thing either it didn't update properly the first time around or something is wrong this time. Jun 01 18:46:34 <_Sy_> But both boards are doing the same. Jun 01 19:04:05 oh noes alan_o Jun 01 19:04:23 * alan_o lurks in the shadows..... Jun 01 19:05:05 ok hangover over Jun 01 19:05:16 so it has been declared Jun 01 19:06:03 ok a few hours till the round #2 Jun 01 19:09:19 alan_o: what are you up to these days? Jun 01 19:09:29 switch to x86 only yet? :P Jun 01 19:12:05 hehe Jun 01 19:12:17 is that what you're evangelizing now? Jun 01 19:12:39 alan_o: you know who i work for now right? :) Jun 01 19:12:39 I've been doing a lot of firmware recently. Jun 01 19:12:45 (I know) Jun 01 19:12:59 I'm your linkedin stalker, remember? Jun 01 19:13:17 Interestingly, they sent me an email about your new job, but not about mdp's Jun 01 19:21:48 alan_o: because linkedin knows ARM is a fad Jun 01 19:21:59 hehe Jun 01 19:22:01 Jayneil: x86 is where it is at right? Jun 01 19:22:03 :) Jun 01 19:22:22 mdp told me ppc is where it's at Jun 01 19:22:52 heh Jun 01 19:26:02 won't be long before Intel has a fanless x86 that's competitive with ARM I'd bet Jun 01 19:26:55 mastiff: yes we will Jun 01 19:29:44 mastiff: I think they'll be licensing ARM cores soon. Jun 01 19:29:51 * alan_o ducks Jun 01 19:30:25 ok, off to get some food.... Jun 01 19:34:25 mastiff: intel has been trying to get into the low power embedded business for as long as i can remember, starting from the E series 186, over the i386ex, odd stuff like the i860 and i960, etc pp Jun 01 19:34:41 mastiff: i doubt they will succeed now, when they have been failing for at least 20 years Jun 01 19:35:37 alan_o: intel has licensed arm cores before. the xscale chips were arm Jun 01 19:40:29 I have a 386ex based GPS Jun 01 19:52:58 Probably will be most competitive between ARM and x86 in stuff like fast tablets where you want laptop like performance. Jun 01 19:55:38 <_Sy_> What can I do about this Collected errors: * satisfy_dependencies_for: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for udev-dev: * udev (= 182-r1.1) * * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package udev-dev. Jun 01 19:56:27 had the same problem, think I solved it by adding more repositories for opkg Jun 01 19:56:41 mastiff: nah.. Jun 01 19:56:55 mastiff: x86 stuff uses too much power for tablets Jun 01 19:57:18 mastiff: i rathere see there a competition between mips and arm... but then, mips lost that race long ago Jun 01 19:58:35 .o0(damn you google! use one simple search term and end up with 70 more documents on your harddisk) Jun 01 19:59:47 if you're trying to reduce your google dependency, try duckduckgo, works well for most stuff I think Jun 01 20:01:37 Does anybody know how to get X loaded on the BBB which is running Ubuntu 13.04 ? Jun 01 20:01:50 mastiff: googles results were already quite bad... ddg is much worse Jun 01 20:02:30 RatinDawg: loaded as in downloaded or loaded as in started? Jun 01 20:03:38 is use ddg for most things, but google is better for searching obscure error codes and such Jun 01 20:03:59 mastiff: my obscure error codes are called crystal oscillators :) Jun 01 20:04:36 broad subject, you looking for parts or learning about them? Jun 01 20:04:41 <_Sy_> does anyone know where I can get libnss-dev from? it doesn't appear in the package list Jun 01 20:05:03 mastiff: generally: how to build high performance oscillators Jun 01 20:05:42 mastiff: especially: what are the different oscillator circuits, and what are their advantages/disadvantages in terms of phase noise and stability Jun 01 20:05:59 Sounds like textbook type material. Jun 01 20:06:16 Might be in the amature radio handbook as well, and that's free. Jun 01 20:06:20 if you know a textbook, i'd like to hear about it :) Jun 01 20:06:30 ham's dont go to that level :) Jun 01 20:06:39 (usually) Jun 01 20:06:54 You'd be surprised. Jun 01 20:06:57 Most don't Jun 01 20:07:14 mastiff: google for time-nuts Jun 01 20:07:22 mastiff: that's the level where i'm looking for stuff :) Jun 01 20:07:45 er... Jun 01 20:07:52 mastiff: i mean "duckduck for time-nuts" Jun 01 20:07:54 You could also look at dev boards that have the type of oscillator circuits you want , to get some implementation ideas. Jun 01 20:07:54 ;) Jun 01 20:08:51 mastiff: the "dev boards" with circuits i would want to have a look at look like this: http://www.oscilloquartz.com/file/pdf/8607.pdf Jun 01 20:09:02 mastiff: and they cost as much as a car Jun 01 20:09:23 hllo Jun 01 20:09:25 hello Jun 01 20:09:29 i have a question Jun 01 20:09:40 hi, maybe we have an answer Jun 01 20:09:46 i saw the encapsulate nomenclature Jun 01 20:10:10 and my beaglebone black is build with an experimental procesor Jun 01 20:10:49 XAM3359AZCZ100 Jun 01 20:10:51 * KotH didnt know that there was an experimantal version of the AM3359 Jun 01 20:11:16 YES Jun 01 20:11:21 is a experimental Jun 01 20:11:23 ah.. pre-series production Jun 01 20:11:38 no qualifed version Jun 01 20:11:50 i buy a item experimental Jun 01 20:11:57 Mine also has the X prefix Jun 01 20:12:01 what happen? Jun 01 20:12:14 world came to an end last december Jun 01 20:12:36 samch: if you want to know about your processor, go to ti Jun 01 20:12:39 i buy my bealglebone black 1 month ago Jun 01 20:12:47 samch: they have a whole webpage with all intricate details about it Jun 01 20:13:06 samch: they even tell you what the X exactly means Jun 01 20:13:13 That's a serious oscillator! What are the applications that justify the price? Jun 01 20:13:17 Koth, i saw in the datasheet Jun 01 20:13:27 that the X mean Experimental Device Jun 01 20:13:36 <_Sy_> have found source to nss ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/security/nss/releases/NSS_3_14_3_RTM/src/nss-3.14.3-with-nspr-4.9.5.tar.gz Jun 01 20:13:56 <_Sy_> using wget to download to BBB, will extract and build, see if that helps Jun 01 20:14:07 I'm interested in accurate timekeeping for navigation purposes (sailing). Jun 01 20:14:18 mastiff: anything where you need high stability (it beats a H-Maser up to a second or two) Jun 01 20:14:41 samch: ask TI or cco Jun 01 20:14:52 a good movie on development of accurate clocks is called "Longitude" Jun 01 20:15:08 all our ti and cco guys are currently asleep, drunk or otherwise involved in stuff you dont really want to know Jun 01 20:15:24 mastiff: the book is on my todolist Jun 01 20:15:30 mastiff: er.. to-buy-and-read-list Jun 01 20:15:51 didn't know it was originally a book Jun 01 20:16:00 _Sy_: are you sure that's the right nss? Jun 01 20:16:01 movie was made for TV with Jeromy Irons Jun 01 20:16:10 _Sy_: that's a security library, not a name resolving library Jun 01 20:16:21 i want return my beaglebone black, Jun 01 20:16:33 the dma for usb don´t work Jun 01 20:16:40 eh.. Jun 01 20:16:48 and the microprocesor is experimental serie Jun 01 20:17:07 samch: IIRC dma has been added to the kernel just recently Jun 01 20:17:16 samch: if you want to return it, talk to the guy you bought it from Jun 01 20:17:34 Degikey Jun 01 20:17:43 <_Sy_> to be honest no idea, I would imagine it could be the thing I need as its for a clustering manager. Jun 01 20:17:57 meh, the X-runs are usually just fine Jun 01 20:17:58 why do you think the experimental series processor is a problem? Jun 01 20:18:01 what is the version of the kernel with DMA Jun 01 20:18:03 ? Jun 01 20:18:04 _Sy_: have a look at the README/INSTAL/WHATEVER that lists the dependencies Jun 01 20:18:18 samch: i dont know... i dont have a bbb Jun 01 20:18:24 samch: i just read people talking about it here Jun 01 20:18:33 * dm8tbr knows commercial products using X-runs of TI silicon Jun 01 20:18:33 From what I read, this processor is only being used in the BBB. Jun 01 20:18:35 samch: but as i said, those guys are currently not available Jun 01 20:18:51 morning. Jun 01 20:19:04 wonderfull JIHAD; mrpacket_ Jun 01 20:19:08 KotH: what do you do other than #beagle and chocolate Jun 01 20:19:16 mastiff because experimental device is not a comercial device Jun 01 20:19:16 cheers, got an envelope from you today. Jun 01 20:19:19 is a beta Jun 01 20:19:26 no the comercial device Jun 01 20:19:29 mrpacket_: uhnmm... i study psychology? Jun 01 20:19:36 mrpacket_: why do you ask? Jun 01 20:19:36 ha.. Jun 01 20:20:15 samch: sorry if you are not satisfied with the bbb Jun 01 20:20:24 samch: as i said, if you really want to return it, talk to digikey Jun 01 20:20:34 samch: i have no idea what their return policy is Jun 01 20:20:35 samch: send it back if you think you can find something better for $45. Jun 01 20:20:50 <_Sy_> "NSS encryption performs more poorly then the default encryption, but may be a good choice if your organization has policies regarding encryption technology requiring the use of a common cryptographic library such as Netscape Security Services." Jun 01 20:20:59 i am realice my final proyect with the beaglebone blacj Jun 01 20:21:09 dont have time for changing the sistem Jun 01 20:21:19 _Sy_: yes? Jun 01 20:21:34 samch: ok, what do you want then? Jun 01 20:21:47 <_Sy_> apparently there is an option to pass co configure to disable it --disable-nss, I'm sure I've tried that and it still failed. Jun 01 20:21:49 samch: you dont want to switch to another system, but you dont want to have a bbb either? Jun 01 20:22:06 _Sy_: oh.. broken configure scripts/dependency handling Jun 01 20:22:57 you guys done any BBB bluetooth testing yet? Jun 01 20:23:21 <_Sy_> is says unrecognised option --disable-nss Jun 01 20:23:24 another satisified BBB customer it seems Jun 01 20:24:19 KotH: i got the X on mine too Jun 01 20:24:20 :) Jun 01 20:24:28 Koth, a can´t change the system with 1 week Jun 01 20:24:59 i try to resolve the insues Jun 01 20:25:02 samch, is the device doing something badly, or wrong? Jun 01 20:25:13 mrpacket, the DMA Jun 01 20:25:30 i can´t use a webcam in Hd resolution Jun 01 20:25:51 ah.. that's the problem Jun 01 20:26:02 samch: come back monday morning, US time Jun 01 20:26:06 let me guess your using this for a project using OpenCV Jun 01 20:26:14 samch: then the guys who will able to help you will be here Jun 01 20:26:30 old problem, ( well a few weeks old ) and i belive its sorted otu Jun 01 20:26:50 yes i am using opencv Jun 01 20:27:11 mrpacket_: yeah.. sounds very much like a student asignment which run into performance problems... and now the X in the cpu part number is to blame Jun 01 20:27:12 but only work in low resolution Jun 01 20:27:31 and only is posible conect 1 webcam Jun 01 20:27:45 samch, theres a channel that can help you Jun 01 20:27:58 samch: are you using the Derek Molloy's tutorial? Jun 01 20:28:00 ph student Jun 01 20:28:05 not many people in it, but if you go there and wait, they will turn up when they wake up Jun 01 20:28:07 phd student Jun 01 20:28:09 alan_o: how dare you Jun 01 20:28:14 #beagle.eyes Jun 01 20:28:15 with 2 degree Jun 01 20:28:37 I have a first aid certificate, does that help Jun 01 20:28:43 samch: uhmm.. may i ask an inconvenient question: why didnt you do a couple of performance tests first, when you got the board? Jun 01 20:28:54 I have a big merit badge collection. Jun 01 20:29:00 lol Jun 01 20:29:05 <_Sy_> was going to post configure into pastein, but its too big. Jun 01 20:29:13 _Sy_: ouch... Jun 01 20:29:16 <_Sy_> *pastebin Jun 01 20:29:27 _Sy_: i didnt know pastebin had a limit ^^' Jun 01 20:29:31 samch: the trolls eat degrees for breakfast. Jun 01 20:29:42 <_Sy_> Yep, pro version isn't limited but isn't free Jun 01 20:29:50 mrpacket_: only because they know that a degree by itself is worthles :) Jun 01 20:30:05 <_Sy_> configure script is over 23,000 lines Jun 01 20:30:06 ok Jun 01 20:30:07 _Sy_: use another pastebin service, there are tons out there Jun 01 20:30:17 it is no the same in Spain Jun 01 20:30:27 KotH: :-) Jun 01 20:30:41 in Spain we have to studi 5 years Jun 01 20:30:41 samch: it is the same everyhwere Jun 01 20:30:53 and for the phd Jun 01 20:30:57 4 year mor Jun 01 20:31:00 samch: a degree means only you have successfully convinced your professors that you should graduate Jun 01 20:31:01 4 year more Jun 01 20:31:15 graduate with master Jun 01 20:31:17 samch: whether you actually know anything, is a totaly different matter Jun 01 20:31:22 so are you using derek molloy's tutorial for your phd project? Jun 01 20:31:33 i don´t know what is the equivalent in other countries Jun 01 20:31:46 KotH: I am doing Masters degrees for $89, Phds for $129 Jun 01 20:31:57 very very genuine product Jun 01 20:32:11 mrpacket_: cool.. i could use a phd Jun 01 20:32:18 <_Sy_> ok, can someone plz take a look at this... http://paste2.org/EjJ13LOz specifically why the --disable- switch doesn't work. Jun 01 20:32:22 mrpacket_: can we do payment in chocolate? Jun 01 20:32:25 sure. Jun 01 20:32:31 as long as its good chocolate Jun 01 20:32:40 ok Jun 01 20:33:01 samch: hint: stop whining and actually give _information_ on what your problem is Jun 01 20:33:20 samch: as i said, you will not impress anyone with your degrees Jun 01 20:33:44 samch: especially not here, where students (both masters and phd) are known to not being able to think for themselves Jun 01 20:34:03 samch, we get asked this stuff, at least 4 times a day by students, all who are trying to make opencv work with a camera to do some CV prooject Jun 01 20:34:15 samch: and we are not talking about indian or chinese students (although the later seem to be rather compatent in comparison to others) Jun 01 20:34:25 <_Sy_> I've interviewed plenty of people with phd's and to be honest, they were all pretty useless. Jun 01 20:34:25 copmetent* Jun 01 20:34:35 _Sy_: depends for what Jun 01 20:34:37 <_av500_> croptement? Jun 01 20:34:47 <_Sy_> as coders Jun 01 20:34:51 yeah Jun 01 20:34:54 I learned how to drink beer and coffee at University Jun 01 20:34:58 phd's suck at doing ground work Jun 01 20:35:32 <_av500_> KotH: some do ground beans pretty well Jun 01 20:35:34 the opencv work Jun 01 20:35:38 the system work Jun 01 20:35:40 * KotH learned not to follow mru into any room with a raised floor, while he is carying a shotgun Jun 01 20:35:44 but the DMA no Jun 01 20:35:46 KotH: 5 points per name for famous and sucessful people with a degree Jun 01 20:35:51 <_Sy_> I set a pretty simple aptitude test...which involved decoding a binary file, I even gave them a description of the structure and data types, but they all failed to come close in the time given which was 2 hours. Jun 01 20:36:02 Bill Gates.. famous for creating windogs and making a lot of $$$ Jun 01 20:36:05 and with the problem of DMA i can´t used a HD camera Jun 01 20:36:18 mrpacket_: does heisenberg, einstein, werner von braun, etc count? :) Jun 01 20:36:20 Steve Jobs.. Famous for making i-stuff Jun 01 20:36:34 Edison.. he had a bright idea Jun 01 20:36:38 <_av500_> phd bashing is boring Jun 01 20:36:49 _Sy_: woha! why put the whole configure on pastebin? Jun 01 20:36:54 KotH: lets pick on _av500_ then Jun 01 20:36:55 _Sy_: rather show us the error message Jun 01 20:37:02 <_av500_> mrpacket_: go ahead Jun 01 20:37:07 mrpacket_: i'm afraid of _av500_ Jun 01 20:37:11 mrpacket_: he has wings! Jun 01 20:37:20 <_Sy_> ok, I'll create another Jun 01 20:37:31 <_av500_> samch: dma is being worked on Jun 01 20:37:34 <_av500_> eta unknown Jun 01 20:37:40 Todays beagle task will be to get the BCC working with it Jun 01 20:37:45 _av500_: isnt it done already? Jun 01 20:37:48 <_av500_> no idea Jun 01 20:37:53 mrpacket_: BCC? Jun 01 20:37:54 _av500_: i thought i read something like that Jun 01 20:37:59 <_av500_> samch: if you cannot do HD, do VGA Jun 01 20:38:07 <_av500_> leaves you more mips for your openCV anyway Jun 01 20:38:53 time to sleep for little phd-less KotH Jun 01 20:38:56 _av500_: your address troll! Jun 01 20:39:08 night boys, girls, trolls and trollettes Jun 01 20:39:56 <_av500_> KotH: sweet dreams Jun 01 20:40:06 <_av500_> in case you dream of chocolate Jun 01 20:40:27 too much sugar in chocolate isnt good for its taste ;) Jun 01 20:40:32 but thanks :) Jun 01 20:40:37 KotH: dream of chocolate beer Jun 01 20:40:49 * KotH stabs mranostay with a chocolate knife Jun 01 20:41:02 <_av500_> sweet way to die Jun 01 20:42:29 <_Sy_> http://paste2.org/WpM11HYx hopefully this together with the other post will help. Jun 01 20:42:40 murder weapon melts away too Jun 01 20:43:04 mrpacket: I got my BCC boards and digikey parts today. Jun 01 20:43:15 cool Jun 01 20:43:24 Forgot to order the headers, digikey was out of those. Jun 01 20:43:45 Found 'em at adafruit though... Jun 01 20:45:05 have you guys been using solder paste or rosen core for soldering the FPGA onto the board? Jun 01 20:45:53 I think eric said lots of flux and regular solder, but wanted to double check. Jun 01 20:46:13 mastiff: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/665208_10151641120302661_1761857687_o.jpg Jun 01 20:46:13 that's what he said, yes Jun 01 20:47:10 all hand placed, just using my iron and 70/30 regular solder, Jun 01 20:47:22 and flux Jun 01 20:47:59 <_av500_> mrpacket_: 0.65 or 0.5? Jun 01 20:48:11 either or Jun 01 20:48:15 <_av500_> right Jun 01 20:48:17 shld'nt make much differnece Jun 01 20:48:23 <_av500_> both if you drop it := Jun 01 20:48:46 solder diamter does'nt make much difference Jun 01 20:48:58 <_av500_> I meant the pin pitch Jun 01 20:49:00 I already have solder paste, would there be any advantage to using that, or easier just to use regular solder? Jun 01 20:49:01 oh.. Jun 01 20:49:16 mastiff: well, if you have paste and a reflow oven Jun 01 20:49:20 that is another way to do thing Jun 01 20:49:37 i just did this one by hand to proove that it can be done Jun 01 20:49:44 * _av500_ uses the collophonium method Jun 01 20:49:46 seems like the solder paste would hold parts in position for soldering with the iron, but I've only used paste with a stencil, not by hand Jun 01 20:50:28 personally i would have perferred to have got these boards finished in HASL Jun 01 20:50:32 rather than gold ENIG Jun 01 20:50:40 gold ENIG is great for machine placing Jun 01 20:50:51 not so good when you are hand solering Jun 01 20:53:51 Do you hold the SMD caps and resistors in place with tweezers while you solder each side? Jun 01 20:54:02 <_av500_> yes Jun 01 20:54:27 tack the corners of the ICs? Jun 01 20:55:05 <_av500_> sure Jun 01 20:55:35 <_av500_> soldr 2 corners Jun 01 20:55:59 _av500_: drugs are in the mail Jun 01 20:56:07 er.. i mean protoboard Jun 01 20:56:08 <_av500_> omg Jun 01 20:56:12 <_av500_> thx Jun 01 20:57:46 had anyone got unbuntu to work on the Beaglbone black? Jun 01 20:57:59 here we go Jun 01 20:58:26 mastiff: theres heaps of good videos on youtube Jun 01 20:58:34 thanks a ton Jun 01 20:58:50 i swear who doesn't know about google? Jun 01 20:59:02 how to place and solder SMD parts Jun 01 21:00:09 <_av500_> wololo: yes, people have Jun 01 21:00:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uiroWBkdFY Jun 01 21:02:53 got to love the high energy music Jun 01 21:03:01 on the "how to solder video" Jun 01 21:05:02 so is anyone keeping a list of tutorials for the BBB? Jun 01 21:05:17 i'm mainly building up a list of sites to avoid Jun 01 21:06:07 I want see the booting message on ttyS2 and show up image on my HDMI monitor. What should i put in my uEnv.txt? Jun 01 21:06:49 I am using BeagleBoard XM rev C2 Jun 01 21:06:59 hello router. heres a packet. Jun 01 21:07:23 hi mrpacket. thank you Jun 01 21:07:28 also it's ttyO2 nowadays Jun 01 21:07:38 router: did you send it to dev/null Jun 01 21:07:41 i ack that packet mrpacket_ Jun 01 21:07:44 or did you send it somewhere useful Jun 01 21:07:55 send what to dev/null? Jun 01 21:08:00 the packet Jun 01 21:08:01 i am new Jun 01 21:08:32 what parameter should I put in my uEnv.txt? Jun 01 21:08:33 new to #beagle. Jun 01 21:08:44 new to beagleboard Jun 01 21:08:57 i woud'nt think you need to change it at all Jun 01 21:09:30 nothing show up on my HDMI monitor. The monitor keeps blanking and displays NO signal message Jun 01 21:09:41 dvimode="hd720 omapfb.vram=0:8M,1:4M,2:4M " Jun 01 21:10:02 angstrom 2010.7 Jun 01 21:12:32 hello boy again Jun 01 21:12:39 ti said: Jun 01 21:12:42 X and P devices and TMDX development-support tools are shipped against the following disclaimer: "Developmental product is intended for internal evaluation purposes." Production devices and TMDS development-support tools have been characterized fully, and the quality and reliability of the device have been demonstrated fully. TI's standard warranty applies. Predictions show that prototype devices (X or P) have a greater failure rate t Jun 01 21:13:13 Predictions show that prototype devices (X or P) have a greater failure rate than the standard production devices. Texas Instruments recommends that these devices not be used in any production system because their expected end-use failure rate still is undefined. Only qualified production devices are to be used. Jun 01 21:15:01 <_av500_> samch: ??? Jun 01 21:15:09 <_av500_> router: its no omap Jun 01 21:15:15 <_av500_> thus omapfb does nothing Jun 01 21:15:47 CCO? Jun 01 21:15:56 thats another good question Jun 01 21:15:59 _av500_: router uses a bbxm Jun 01 21:16:06 <_av500_> ah Jun 01 21:16:11 CCO, doe'snt do itself any favors really does it Jun 01 21:16:17 _av500_ i asked about the processor in my beaglebone black Jun 01 21:16:18 <_av500_> ? Jun 01 21:16:26 <_av500_> and? Jun 01 21:16:36 i said that i read that my procesor have an X Jun 01 21:16:40 <_av500_> yes Jun 01 21:16:42 samch: i kind of agree with you Jun 01 21:16:44 <_av500_> nothing unusual Jun 01 21:16:46 got display on dvi. thx all Jun 01 21:16:50 the X mean that it is a experimental Jun 01 21:16:51 <_av500_> we shipped X in products for years Jun 01 21:16:54 no producction Jun 01 21:16:57 * dm8tbr will restate this: I know of perfectly good products, consumer products that used X socs Jun 01 21:16:57 <_av500_> nah Jun 01 21:17:01 <_av500_> its fine Jun 01 21:17:06 <_av500_> dont get scared Jun 01 21:17:14 <_av500_> Xmeans you signed a waiver Jun 01 21:17:23 <_av500_> its not fully qualified Jun 01 21:17:33 and TI said that "Only qualified production devices are to be used." Jun 01 21:17:35 <_av500_> its the same silicon that end up as production Jun 01 21:17:38 i damaged my last xm Rev c1 and kill the CPU. just bought a second xM Jun 01 21:17:39 <_av500_> samch: yes Jun 01 21:17:41 ie, dont' use it for aerospace Jun 01 21:17:41 <_av500_> so? Jun 01 21:17:44 or medical Jun 01 21:17:45 <_av500_> right Jun 01 21:17:51 <_av500_> mrpacket_: in fact no Jun 01 21:17:57 <_av500_> it meas you the customer qualifies it Jun 01 21:18:00 <_av500_> means Jun 01 21:18:05 <_av500_> which you have to do anyway Jun 01 21:18:11 yes. in deed Jun 01 21:18:15 TI said too "Predictions show that prototype devices (X or P) have a greater failure rate than the standard production devices" Jun 01 21:18:21 <_av500_> and? Jun 01 21:18:23 samch: whats your application Jun 01 21:18:24 <_av500_> did yours fail? Jun 01 21:18:26 samch: did it fail on you? Jun 01 21:18:53 mrpacket_: opencv Jun 01 21:18:59 oh geepers Jun 01 21:19:03 mhehe Jun 01 21:19:17 <_av500_> my kitten ate an X device and died, I cannot sue TI Jun 01 21:20:03 automatice whole letter downgrade on the samch's phd project for using an "X" part Jun 01 21:20:17 what is the latest version of eMMC angstrom ? i kinda lost the link to the one i had. Jun 01 21:20:29 <_av500_> 05.something Jun 01 21:20:40 stand alone system install in a remote area Jun 01 21:20:44 withouse supervision Jun 01 21:21:13 vvu: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ Jun 01 21:21:32 thx dm8tbr! Jun 01 21:22:01 it is no a party Jun 01 21:22:08 it is my time Jun 01 21:22:22 <_av500_> ? Jun 01 21:22:25 <_av500_> party time? Jun 01 21:22:30 <_av500_> sounds about right Jun 01 21:22:45 can be funny Jun 01 21:22:55 but if i install my system Jun 01 21:23:13 <_av500_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Uo1nNt6LU Jun 01 21:23:27 I can not risk installing something wrong Jun 01 21:23:35 <_av500_> define wrong Jun 01 21:23:45 sorry if the people of this chat don´t undertand this Jun 01 21:23:47 samch, maybe a BBB is not the system that you should use then Jun 01 21:24:05 maybe you should use the far superior powers of a Raspbery PI Jun 01 21:24:11 mrpacket, yes, AM Jun 01 21:24:12 <_av500_> samch: well, explain it Jun 01 21:24:36 yes mrpacket AM335X don´t be used in anything Jun 01 21:24:44 <_av500_> right Jun 01 21:24:53 firts have problem with the DMA Jun 01 21:24:59 * risc yawns a "hello all" Jun 01 21:25:05 for adquire HD pictures Jun 01 21:25:12 <_av500_> indeed Jun 01 21:25:12 samch: you've decided its no good. Jun 01 21:25:17 the people said, "used low resolution" Jun 01 21:25:17 so why are you carrying on here Jun 01 21:25:30 the thing is useless for you Jun 01 21:25:36 so, go and find somethign else Jun 01 21:25:55 after i read about DMA and discover that no work Jun 01 21:26:25 after read about the microprocesor and saw that my microprocesor is an experimental Jun 01 21:26:55 so, you have decided its no use for your applicaiton? Jun 01 21:27:07 ok, the AM335x is good for turn on a led Jun 01 21:27:11 * risc tries to cross the bridge, and not get noticed by the troll Jun 01 21:27:23 or other thing Jun 01 21:27:36 * mrpacket_ is only a humble hobbit Jun 01 21:27:52 samch: so its not good for the tasks that we have all build Jun 01 21:27:53 other people have the same promen than i Jun 01 21:28:02 samch: then go and get another system Jun 01 21:28:06 and dont' use a beagle Jun 01 21:28:16 how do I disable the New User Details on Angstrom? Jun 01 21:28:22 you've already decided its no good Jun 01 21:28:39 risc: airspeed velocity of an unlaiden beaglebone? Jun 01 21:28:57 <_av500_> samch: as said, the X is meaningless Jun 01 21:28:59 so, why are you trying to make somethign that you ahve already deceided is unsatifisfactory, work? Jun 01 21:29:17 Mach .855 Jun 01 21:29:17 either you need to work with what you have, or not Jun 01 21:29:26 samch, you could use a microcontroller supervisor with battery or solar backup to reboot automatically if needed. Jun 01 21:29:50 I'm not going to look up part#s though. Jun 01 21:29:58 I'd expect the AM to have a watchdog or two Jun 01 21:30:29 mastiff, it is no the problem Jun 01 21:30:59 You've complained about a lot of stuff, I try to help you with one problem. No more. Jun 01 21:31:02 hi dm8tbr Jun 01 21:31:07 the problem is that you read an specificacion abouy beaglebone black that is no true Jun 01 21:31:08 been too long.... Jun 01 21:31:12 speaking of trolling, now that I've used the BBB for a few days I want an XM... why E14, why are they so expensive in .au land! :) Jun 01 21:31:38 <_av500_> risc: its the long voyage by ship Jun 01 21:31:50 <_av500_> many hands lost at sea Jun 01 21:31:57 yeah we live a long way from anywhere :) Jun 01 21:32:08 <_av500_> :) Jun 01 21:32:15 alan_o: yello Jun 01 21:32:23 <_av500_> oh yeah Jun 01 21:32:24 I shall order 1 from the land of America! Jun 01 21:33:15 <_av500_> samch: return it Jun 01 21:33:17 <_av500_> send it back Jun 01 21:33:24 <_av500_> get your money back Jun 01 21:33:28 <_av500_> and be done with it Jun 01 21:34:31 samch: you have the schematics, and datasheets for all the parts, what else do you need? Jun 01 21:34:48 * alan_o uses sarcasm, in case it's not properly detected Jun 01 21:36:20 samch: seriously though, the docs are not perfect. There aren't always exact steps. It's not very much unlike the embedded world in general. Jun 01 21:36:56 samch: yes, it could be better, but complaining about it using hyperbole on the channel is redundant at best. Jun 01 21:42:41 samch, it's for your phd project, its Supposed to be difficult. Jun 01 21:47:20 Needing FTP for unattended process. Python FTP library works in place of normal FTP which has been removed from Angstrom. Jun 01 22:05:42 how do i show webcam on framebuffer? Jun 01 23:12:24 hi Jun 01 23:19:41 Debian net install happening on SD card \o/ Jun 01 23:20:48 Hello. I just updated my beaglebone black with opkg-upgrade, and now when starting with USB, it's not recognized anymore as mass storage or USB network. Also, only 3 of the LEDs turn on. Jun 01 23:23:39 I have to imagine that everyone in the world does that, right? Easiest way to fix it is get a uSD and put the imager on it from here http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ Jun 01 23:24:34 Moral of the story is don't upgrade? Jun 01 23:26:16 The SRM says to upgrade, so the right thing for maintainers to do is change the SRM to not say that, or to put a very visible notice on pages that link the SRM to the effect that upgrade is currently broken. Jun 01 23:26:35 I believe that was already uinder consideration. Jun 01 23:27:30 I got burned the same way Jun 01 23:27:56 Or...to fix the repos so upgrading works? Jun 01 23:28:12 I think dm8tbr is already doing that, or helping. Jun 01 23:28:14 Just a thought. ;-P Jun 01 23:29:57 In any event, it's a known problem. The trouble is, being known to us doesn't prevent new purchasers from making their eMMC unbootable, so something more is needed. Jun 01 23:33:27 Is it possible to fix the eMMC image with a uSD? Jun 01 23:34:00 Yes. The BBB is never totally brickable, youi can always fix it with the right image burned to uSD. Jun 01 23:34:20 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.27.img.xz does. It's kind of in the title. Jun 01 23:34:35 Ah. Thank you. =) Jun 01 23:34:50 Thats what I had to do. Jun 01 23:35:09 After that I only applied Python updates Jun 01 23:36:04 It'll be awesome in due course, just some early teething problems. Unfortunate, but it happens. Jun 01 23:37:54 It would be nice to make option to install missing packages if a used needs them, ie. FTP Jun 01 23:38:34 So, I was looking for to change the pin modes (the 0-7 kind, not the input output kind). I don't have the /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/ directory. What am I missing? I'm guessing it's a modprobe? Jun 01 23:39:18 I think these were changes (something about device trees). I'm still trying to figure it out. Jun 01 23:39:53 Hmm.. no way around using a serial port? Jun 01 23:39:56 BTW, TI makes a nice windoes prog to help you with the mux settings (Pin Mux Utility) Jun 01 23:40:03 Angstrom is a bit sparse on packages. Package selection becomes much wider if you switch to Debian or whichever other ARM distro you're happy with. Jun 01 23:40:44 BUT where do you go if you need BBB specific code ? Jun 01 23:40:47 I've written a pretty detailed tutorial on installing ubuntu on a BBB, if you're interested Jun 01 23:41:13 I would be interested Jun 01 23:41:44 http://robotic-controls.com/learn/beaglebone/beaglebone-black-ubuntu Jun 01 23:41:48 NTP would be nice on the BBB Jun 01 23:42:15 cib0: Life becomes much easier with a serial port, you're never working blind. It's the best 12-quid investment ever. Jun 01 23:43:27 NTP's already installed by default, just not activated for some reason, and sometimes it doesn't automatically start after reboot, although reports vary. Jun 01 23:44:40 Have you figured how to activate UART2? or are you using a USB connected terminal Jun 01 23:44:55 The NTP issue may just be fallout from connman being unreliable or idiosyncratic, since it obviously needs the networking. Jun 01 23:45:17 I think it doesn't have systemd setup Jun 01 23:46:14 connman has given me heartburn Jun 01 23:46:24 WA2EIN: I just do what's specified in the SRM section 7.5 p.76, that FTDI adapter works perfectly. Jun 01 23:46:49 TY Jun 01 23:46:53 Yeah, my networking didn't work either until I got rid of connman and did it manually. Jun 01 23:47:19 I disabled connman and then could not talk to the bone Jun 01 23:47:28 I had to re-flash Jun 01 23:47:44 Ah, I had serial, so easy to sort out troubles. Jun 01 23:47:56 yes. Jun 01 23:48:16 I use serial on my Pi & will add it on the bone Jun 01 23:49:36 If the Pi has a 3V3 uart on its expansion header, could use the Pi as a serial debugger for BBB. Or use BB white, or pretty much any other board with 3V3 uarts. Jun 01 23:50:08 But for 12 quid, the FTDI adapter is just less hassle Jun 01 23:50:34 Probably 2 quid from eBay :P Jun 01 23:50:46 BTW the TI manual on the chip is over 4000 pages Jun 01 23:51:12 Can't complain about lack of TI docs :P Jun 01 23:52:05 I have a 3V level converter using Max3232 that I use on the Pi & will use on the bone Jun 01 23:52:09 AFAIAA, absolutely everything is openly documented except GPU, and that's fine since BBB is not intended as a media centre. Jun 01 23:52:59 I'm used to Microchip manuals that run 3-4 hundred pages but then this processor does a whole lot more Jun 01 23:53:46 Sounds fine. I have a Pi, but it's not doing anything as the USB was dropping data, I might frame it. Jun 01 23:54:35 mine may have been. I had an app that used it to talk to Xbee & had intermitant problems. Ported it to bone & it rund fine Jun 01 23:55:07 Good to know. Jun 02 00:03:45 I'm connected to the JTAG header. Does anybody know what speed it runs at? Jun 02 00:28:33 * georgem_home trudges out slowly from beneath his favorite stone bridge. Jun 02 00:34:13 * georgem_home sniffs about in search of hobbits, vagrants and other tasty meals. Jun 02 00:38:29 * georgem_home reluctantly saunters back to the refuge provided by the stone arches. Jun 02 00:50:57 emeb_mac: FPGA Jun 02 00:51:16 mranostay: dude Jun 02 00:53:30 im trying to find a working cross-compile toolchain for mac osx, anyone suceeded doing this? Jun 02 00:53:47 for the beaglebone black Jun 02 01:16:57 hi. I want to run opencv on my beaglebone black using windows. But its using a Xperimental chip Jun 02 01:33:48 emeb_mac: GPS duding right now Jun 02 01:34:27 mranostay: yeah, saw that. how's it working? Jun 02 01:34:29 of course i get no fix inside this building with out an attenna Jun 02 01:34:45 emeb_mac: forgot to order a uFL to SMA cable Jun 02 01:34:51 I am going to get up and glue some more parts on that board Jun 02 01:34:55 i ahve this very cool glue Jun 02 01:44:27 off to damage my hearing with loud music Jun 02 01:44:30 * mranostay waves **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 02 02:59:58 2013