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Jun 03 03:01:51 <maxinux> or ask someone who writes c more :)
Jun 03 03:02:10 <mranostay> i think your need a semicolon there
Jun 03 03:03:40 <m_billybob> look closer
Jun 03 03:04:03 <ka6sox> what if I look crosseyed...will that help?
Jun 03 03:04:16 <m_billybob> heheh
Jun 03 03:05:21 <Guest94171> thanks for the help!
Jun 03 03:05:49 <Erika_16> ?
Jun 03 03:06:06 <Guest94171> from what i've seen on google over the past day, the BBB is quite lacking in software libraries and examples and demos. Shame really! i can't seem to find anything on using the BBB with python under ubuntu or something
Jun 03 03:06:50 <m_billybob> Guest94171, that is because it is intended to run linux, and ther eare lots of libraries for linux
Jun 03 03:07:09 <m_billybob> so thats more of a linux anstraction thing and less a bbb thing
Jun 03 03:07:19 <m_billybob> abstraction thing*
Jun 03 03:07:31 <maxinux> Guest94171:  raspi has much more software support
Jun 03 03:08:05 <bakers> BBB is brand new... Raspi software sucked at launch too
Jun 03 03:08:12 <bakers> It will get a lot of traction in the hacker community
Jun 03 03:08:14 <bakers> give it time
Jun 03 03:08:18 <DarthExpeditor> anyone know how to set my channel to public?
Jun 03 03:08:21 <maxinux> it immediately turned me from raspi
Jun 03 03:08:21 <bakers> it's less than 30 days old
Jun 03 03:08:26 <maxinux>  DarthExpeditor /mode chan -s
Jun 03 03:08:33 <bakers> maxinux: turned you?
Jun 03 03:08:37 <maxinux> bakers:  from raspi
Jun 03 03:08:56 <Suboptimus> I managed to get some I2C devices working with python-smbus no problem… I was expecting to have to hack away at it in C. Pleasant surprise
Jun 03 03:08:59 <Guest94171> yeh i was kinda thinking that GPIO being general - might have a bit of overlap between raspberryPi. I think i'll stick to BBB but the raspberry has a lot of momentum
Jun 03 03:09:01 <maxinux> arduino was great, but raspi is more powerful and can do all the stuff arduino can for the same price and so much more... then bbb was released in the same price range
Jun 03 03:09:35 <m_billybob> arduino, and the rpi / bbb are not in the same class
Jun 03 03:09:51 <DarthExpeditor> MODE cannot be set due to channel having an active MLOCK restriction polic
Jun 03 03:10:19 <Suboptimus> I dunno, IMO BBB is a natural evolution of what Arduino started
Jun 03 03:10:20 <m_billybob> DarthExpeditor, sounds like you need to seek an oper
Jun 03 03:10:25 <Guest94171> m_billybob : i get that linux has lots of libraries, but what does that mean for the BBB? can i just load up a python library and start writing to the PWM pins?
Jun 03 03:10:55 <DarthExpeditor> I am the operator
Jun 03 03:10:56 <m_billybob> Guest94171, if the bbb runs linux, then in theory anythign that runs on linux can run on the bbb
Jun 03 03:11:00 <Suboptimus> well… PWM I have only been able to get through node + bonescript. The pwm files don't exist where they are supposed to be
Jun 03 03:11:04 <DarthExpeditor> I think I am going to desolve the channel and restart it
Jun 03 03:11:16 <m_billybob> DarthExpeditor, oper not chan op
Jun 03 03:11:21 <m_billybob> as in network admin
Jun 03 03:11:31 <maxinux> no, chan ops do that
Jun 03 03:11:32 <maxinux> not opers
Jun 03 03:11:46 <m_billybob> if his channel is mode locked . . .how can he fix that
Jun 03 03:11:46 <maxinux> means he is not a chan oper, or has to deal with chanserv
Jun 03 03:12:02 <maxinux> the channel is registered w/ chanserv
Jun 03 03:12:08 <Suboptimus> apparently for some reason the Angstrom peeps keep moving the PWMs around the filesystem and making them appear and disappear between releases
Jun 03 03:12:37 <m_billybob> Suboptimus, may i offer some advice in that regard ?
Jun 03 03:12:42 <bakers> What's the deal with angstrom, seems like such a blah distro. Why not just embrace debian or something and use that
Jun 03 03:12:51 <bakers> Why does TI even bother to make their own distro
Jun 03 03:12:56 <Suboptimus> please, I would really appreciate it, I want to do some PWMing
Jun 03 03:13:06 <m_billybob> Suboptimus, dont upgrade unless you have a compelling reason.
Jun 03 03:13:35 <m_billybob> e.g. feature you need to have or cant live without
Jun 03 03:13:46 <Guest94171> m_billybob, i understand that. But the current state of affairs are a bit lacking. I understand that the BBB is a month old, but i was under the impression it was an evolutionary product. I'll happily wait for the support.
Jun 03 03:14:25 <Guest94171> I too am confused about the angstrom thing. Why do i want to use a web IDE for what is considered to be such a powerful device? 64 GPIO pins controlled by a web IDE using javascript? please!
Jun 03 03:14:29 <Suboptimus> In my case I got a board ~2 weeks ago, it had a pretty recent distro but since it seems like Angstrom has a lot of kinks getting worked out I flashed it with the then-latest distro. Haven't done any opkg upgrades though, I read the horror stories
Jun 03 03:14:56 <m_billybob> Guest94171, well .  .welcome to the OSS movement . . . not much else i can say except that in regards to the rpui versus the bbb when the bbb is as mature the rpi will pale in comparrison. by a large degree
Jun 03 03:15:15 <Suboptimus> hah, it is frustrating but that's just how it is… I used to do video game console development and if you think things are any better for people making PS3 games, they're not.
Jun 03 03:15:29 <mrpackethead> in a month we've come a long way
Jun 03 03:15:33 <Suboptimus> it's all buggy crap, everywhere you go to write software
Jun 03 03:15:43 <mrpackethead> we now have a stable and useful set of o/s
Jun 03 03:16:06 <mrpackethead> you can easily run ubuntu, debian or angstrom
Jun 03 03:16:14 <Suboptimus> I think the BBB is absolutely amazing for what it is at the pricepoint
Jun 03 03:16:17 <m_billybob> Suboptimus, there is plenty of playing / leanring you can do while the software catches up. I know its not perfect, but the hardware for most purposes is much better tha nthe competition
Jun 03 03:16:20 <bakers> Guest94171: There are LOTs of interfaces to the BBB, the webui is just the easiest way to get n00bs hacking on pins
Jun 03 03:16:21 <mrpackethead> and theres a *lot* of packages you can install
Jun 03 03:16:23 <Guest94171> i guess my issue is i can't understand, conceptually, how i use GPIO with BBB. With the Pi it's pretty obvious. With BBB am i meant to use the shitty web IDE or what?
Jun 03 03:16:27 <Suboptimus> Yep
Jun 03 03:16:27 <bakers> Guest94171: There are c, perl, bash, python libraries
Jun 03 03:16:47 <mrpackethead> Guest there are any number of ways of using the GPIO
Jun 03 03:16:58 <Guest94171> people keep saying that i can use all these libraries....I'd love if someone could show me a tutorial or something that shows how.
Jun 03 03:16:59 <bakers> Guest94171: The BBB and the Pi use the same GPIO interface, it's all handled by the kernel
Jun 03 03:17:00 <m_billybob> Guest94171, why is that ? because its not based on wiring ?
Jun 03 03:17:32 <m_billybob> pinMode(HIGH) ug . . . but there is always bonscript if thats what you want.
Jun 03 03:17:57 <mrpackethead> guest, did you try using google
Jun 03 03:18:00 <mrpackethead> obvsiously not
Jun 03 03:18:03 <bakers> m_billybob: Don't knock wiring... it's simple and effective.
Jun 03 03:18:05 <mrpackethead> where is one
Jun 03 03:18:06 <mrpackethead> http://elinux.org/EBC_Exercise_10_Flashing_an_LED
Jun 03 03:18:12 <mrpackethead> that came up very quickly
Jun 03 03:18:18 <Suboptimus> this thing is amazing, the last dev board I worked with seriously was a TI EKLM3S6965, one of the Cortex M3 micros. This thing has an OS, can self host development, I can just ssh in… It's obviously a whole different class of SoC but for people just doing hobby prototyping it's crazy
Jun 03 03:18:19 * bakers agrees with mrpackethead, that's a great document
Jun 03 03:18:19 <m_billybob> bakers, you can keep it.
Jun 03 03:18:39 <bakers> m_billybob: I will :)
Jun 03 03:18:52 <mrpackethead> and Guest94171 please go and get an irc client and log in nicely
Jun 03 03:18:52 <m_billybob> bakers, if thats what you like thats fine but i wont use it :)
Jun 03 03:19:25 <Guest94171> okay. I'll login using IRC. Brb as winston or somesuch :)
Jun 03 03:19:44 <m_billybob> i'd probably more apt to use bare metal, if it wasnt for the fact to achieve what i want would take years
Jun 03 03:21:02 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: yes, it woudl be ncie
Jun 03 03:21:11 <mrpackethead> but as you say, it woudl take a lot of time / resource!
Jun 03 03:21:23 <m_billybob> yeah maybe not years, but a long time
Jun 03 03:21:46 <Guest94171> i;m really excited to use the BBB, i'm just swimming in a world of confusion. I've never done GUI or hardware interfaced code. So i'm still getting my bearings!!
Jun 03 03:22:00 <m_billybob> Guest94171, dont worry, you're not alone
Jun 03 03:22:07 <m_billybob> it'll take time and reading
Jun 03 03:22:16 <m_billybob> im in the same boat myself
Jun 03 03:22:34 <Guest94171> i'm completely understanding of that. I think it's really difficult not having a BBB in front of me!
Jun 03 03:22:53 <Guest94171> the first thing i got really interested in was http://www.pymcu.com/index.html
Jun 03 03:23:37 <Suboptimus> GPIO in C is pretty easy, you just open them as files and write a 0 or 1
Jun 03 03:23:44 <bakers> Guest94171: I love the arduino, but I hate C... I want something with a lot of pins/features that I can run with perl/php/python
Jun 03 03:24:04 <bakers> That's how I ended up at the Pi/BBB
Jun 03 03:24:13 <m_billybob> Guest94171, you may want to consider reading up on bonescript, and see if that does it for you. then if it does and you're reading to move onto somethign else look into pybb possibly
Jun 03 03:24:15 <Suboptimus> Guest, have you considered a Cortex M3 micro with eLua? Half way joking but it's actually kind of a fun environment
Jun 03 03:24:17 <bakers> The pi lacks analog pins, and some of the fancier features of the BBB
Jun 03 03:24:32 <m_billybob> Guest94171 also it wouldnt hurt to read up on node.js
Jun 03 03:24:35 <Guest94171> i would agree! i don't hate C, but the idea of using the BBB as the IDE environment and the device that you run code on WIHTOUT having to compile IIE: scripting) is really attractive
Jun 03 03:24:55 <Suboptimus> That said, I got a bunch of I2C peripherals working with Python this week, felt like a pussy but it was actually really nice to have a REPL while I figured out WTF I was doing
Jun 03 03:24:58 <bakers> Guest94171: Then we're in the same boat you and I. I plan on hacking pins with perl, at the CLI
Jun 03 03:25:27 <Guest94171> bakers, and i plan on using python! :D
Jun 03 03:25:34 <m_billybob> Guest94171, my opinion of C versus any scripting language, and im sure others opinion will vary. C is much cleaner, plus it also has a processor overhead advantage
Jun 03 03:25:57 <m_billybob> language written in either may perform as fast or close but a scriptign language is almost always going ot use more CPU
Jun 03 03:26:16 <bakers> m_billybob: No argument here... but development time it longer, and that processor advantage isn't really applicable to 99% of use cases i.e. reading a pin or two
Jun 03 03:26:20 <m_billybob> sometimes that important
Jun 03 03:26:21 <Guest94171> i have no interest in using javascript. so i'm going ignore bonescript. the reason being is i want the BBB to physically output the results of analysis that i'm doing in python (numpy/scipy specifically) and i refuse to port to JS
Jun 03 03:26:43 <Suboptimus> what are you outputting to?
Jun 03 03:26:54 <Guest94171> i also understand the C is faster, but i mean, were using a 1GHz ARM CPU here!!
Jun 03 03:27:04 <Guest94171> lights
Jun 03 03:27:09 <Erika_16> why?
Jun 03 03:27:24 <Erika_16> 1ghz?
Jun 03 03:27:28 <Erika_16> wtf?
Jun 03 03:27:35 <Erika_16> 1?
Jun 03 03:27:36 <m_billybob> bakers, thats debatable. if you're proficient in C, development time could be just as quick. It also depends on how well you know your envoinment. what libraries to use etc
Jun 03 03:27:39 <Suboptimus> should be no prob, I didn't do GPIO through python but if I could do I2C GPIO should be easy
Jun 03 03:27:57 <Guest94171> yea i think i really need to get one on my desk!
Jun 03 03:29:01 <Suboptimus> just like a handful of lights or a matrix? Because there are like turnkey LED matrices and RGB LED pixels that are easy to interface
Jun 03 03:29:32 <bakers> The USB connection creates a serial device for debug?
Jun 03 03:29:38 <winstonBBB> not matrix. Just strings of LEDs. But many many strings
Jun 03 03:30:02 <winstonBBB> (just connected. formally Guest94171)
Jun 03 03:30:12 <bakers> winstonBBB: welcome
Jun 03 03:30:36 <Suboptimus> like the RGB strips or just one color, on/off strips?
Jun 03 03:30:52 <m_billybob> Guest94171, it all really boils down to how much you're going ot do with the bbb.
Jun 03 03:31:02 <winstonBBB> the idea is to use the computer to analyse the environment and report the analysis visually in the form of LEd lights and possible DMX controlled lights
Jun 03 03:31:17 <m_billybob> i mean if you're going to blink and led, hell you could close the contacts by hand if you wanted to.
Jun 03 03:31:18 <winstonBBB> RGB Led strips with hue and brightness controll
Jun 03 03:31:35 <mrpackethead> winston.. i'm already doing what you are talkina bout
Jun 03 03:31:54 <m_billybob> ws2811's ?
Jun 03 03:31:57 <winstonBBB> we'll probably be looking at 5-15 individually controlled lights (whether they are strips of single lights is irrelevant)
Jun 03 03:31:59 <mrpackethead> 2811's are junk
Jun 03 03:32:09 <m_billybob> ok so elaborate :P
Jun 03 03:32:24 <winstonBBB> mrpackedthead could you elaborate on what your setup is?
Jun 03 03:32:42 <winstonBBB> i'm very interested. My setup is to be incorporated into a musical gig environment
Jun 03 03:33:01 <mrpackethead> if you are happy to use 8 bit control, a low refresh rates,  and an interface that is unrelaible
Jun 03 03:33:11 <mrpackethead> then the 2811 is your gig
Jun 03 03:33:22 <m_billybob> mrpackethead, what are *you* using ?
Jun 03 03:33:31 <mrpackethead> not to mention they are made in mainland china in factorys whos QC is dubious
Jun 03 03:33:38 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: we developed our own IC
Jun 03 03:33:43 <mrpackethead> its called the SS1
Jun 03 03:33:53 <m_billybob> retail or in house only ?
Jun 03 03:34:00 <mrpackethead> we've sold million of them
Jun 03 03:34:14 <mrpackethead> its what i do for a job
Jun 03 03:34:23 <mrpackethead> build large scale led control systems
Jun 03 03:34:42 <mrpackethead> we have shows with > 500,000 rgb elments in them
Jun 03 03:34:46 <Suboptimus> that's awesome
Jun 03 03:34:49 <m_billybob> so is this a whole system we're talkign about, or just an IC that controlls a specific LED ?
Jun 03 03:34:59 <mrpackethead> we do the entire system
Jun 03 03:35:02 <m_billybob> and no i dont mean to downplay your setup
Jun 03 03:35:08 <mrpackethead> but we developed and IC
Jun 03 03:35:21 <mrpackethead> because we were not happy with what we could get
Jun 03 03:35:31 <winstonBBB> i'm curious. Is this available to the public or are you just stroking your e-dick?
Jun 03 03:35:40 <m_billybob> pffft
Jun 03 03:35:41 <mrpackethead> yes, you can buy them
Jun 03 03:35:42 <m_billybob> we asked
Jun 03 03:35:44 <bakers> Am I losing my mind, why can't I find the reference manual linked anywhere from bb.org
Jun 03 03:35:49 <m_billybob> or atleast i did
Jun 03 03:36:15 <mrpackethead> but winstonBBB, perhaps we dont' want to sell them to people who insult us
Jun 03 03:36:35 <m_billybob> mrpackethead, but what im trying ot get at is this. can the ICs be bought seperately, or does it have to be bought wit hthe system ?
Jun 03 03:36:41 <winstonBBB> because you're being really verbose on details! are you trying to sell me something over the BBB or do you have something useful to share other that the fact that you can control 500K leds?
Jun 03 03:36:56 <mrpackethead> no we dont' seel the IC's
Jun 03 03:37:14 <mrpackethead> just as integrated into our products
Jun 03 03:37:20 <mrpackethead> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuZQFeFIp7A
Jun 03 03:37:26 <m_billybob> ah so then the next question i have is probably subject to NDA lol
Jun 03 03:37:27 <mrpackethead> hers an example of what we did
Jun 03 03:37:42 <mrpackethead> this is at seaworld in Florida
Jun 03 03:37:46 <mrpackethead> for their chrsitmas show
Jun 03 03:37:49 <m_billybob> "whcih LEDs do you all use"
Jun 03 03:38:22 <winstonBBB> i don't get why you're telling us this in the BBB IRC channel? except as an ad
Jun 03 03:38:35 <mrpackethead> just saying its all possible with a BBB
Jun 03 03:38:36 <m_billybob> winstonBBB, because i asked him thats why
Jun 03 03:38:50 <mrpackethead> and telling you that the 2811 are crap
Jun 03 03:38:53 <winstonBBB> are you saying these were controlled with a BBB style device?
Jun 03 03:39:02 <mrpackethead> yes, in deed
Jun 03 03:39:06 <mrpackethead> not the BBB
Jun 03 03:39:09 <mrpackethead> becuase it was not avaialbe back then
Jun 03 03:39:14 <winstonBBB> of course
Jun 03 03:39:31 <mrpackethead> this video is better
Jun 03 03:39:31 <mrpackethead> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5iZ2bvwzc4
Jun 03 03:39:43 <winstonBBB> what were the limitations of the device you did use compared to the BBB? how many GPIO pins were used to control a given array of LEDs?
Jun 03 03:39:57 <winstonBBB> because i'm watching these videos and i'm very interested!
Jun 03 03:40:01 <mrpackethead> you just need a SPI video
Jun 03 03:40:17 <m_billybob> mrpackethead ever see teh disney "glow with the show" video ?
Jun 03 03:40:30 <winstonBBB> i'm sorry for my ignorance. What is SPI? is it a data communication protocol>
Jun 03 03:40:57 <mrpackethead> SPI is the protocol that you woud use with the 2811
Jun 03 03:40:59 <mrpackethead> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F9fOFOcr9o
Jun 03 03:41:00 * mranostay starts a #beagle moshput
Jun 03 03:41:05 <mrpackethead> heres another video..
Jun 03 03:41:07 <mranostay> *moshpit even
Jun 03 03:41:17 <mrpackethead> we take no repsonblity for the clients "art"
Jun 03 03:41:28 <winstonBBB> are they are pre-scripted events? or are they live controlled?
Jun 03 03:41:33 <mrpackethead> we can do both
Jun 03 03:41:46 <mrpackethead> live and canned
Jun 03 03:41:46 * mranostay hands beer to mrpackethead 
Jun 03 03:42:18 * mrpackethead is a hobbit. hobbits drink mede or cider.
Jun 03 03:42:21 <winstonBBB> i see. and what's your expansion ratio? how many LEDs can be controlled with say 1 SPI port?
Jun 03 03:42:26 <m_billybob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVe93Vhbpxk
Jun 03 03:42:32 <m_billybob> gow with the show ;)
Jun 03 03:42:38 <m_billybob> glow withthe show*
Jun 03 03:42:53 <mranostay> winstonBBB: hook a shift register up?
Jun 03 03:43:04 <mranostay> dout line you could have infinite
Jun 03 03:43:14 <mrpackethead> 1 spi port can sensibly drive 1500 odd
Jun 03 03:43:42 <m_billybob> mrpackethead, each set of ears has a msp430g2553 tssop 28 in it ;)
Jun 03 03:43:53 <winstonBBB> individually? because if that's the case….my head just blew up. I'm assuming there are some limitations...
Jun 03 03:43:58 <mrpackethead> m_billybob: i'm familar with those
Jun 03 03:46:47 <winstonBBB> any chance of a product name so i can look it up? :D
Jun 03 03:46:49 <bakers> Sweet! http://www.perturb.org/display/1126_BeagleBone_Black__Serial_Login.html
Jun 03 03:47:35 <prpplague> bakers: just curious.... my is that particular post "sweet" ?
Jun 03 03:48:06 <mrpackethead> winston that would be adavertising
Jun 03 03:48:27 <mrpackethead> a single BBB, could if set up properly, drive in excees of 10,000 RGB pixels
Jun 03 03:48:36 <mrpackethead> without getting overworked
Jun 03 03:48:52 <winstonBBB> well if it was a stand alone product, maybe. But you're telling me i can use the BBB and your product as an expansion. Just like the capes….which seems legit to talk about here
Jun 03 03:48:59 * kelvinji slept
Jun 03 03:49:14 <mrpackethead> no, our product is not a plug in for a bbb
Jun 03 03:49:23 <winstonBBB> if you were like "oh hey fuck the BBB buy my thing" i think it'd be a bit inappropriate.
Jun 03 03:49:47 <winstonBBB> if i'm to be understanding, it's interoperable with the BBB
Jun 03 03:50:48 <mrpackethead> winston we have some other controllers as well
Jun 03 03:50:55 <mrpackethead> and they run 1300 odd
Jun 03 03:51:07 <mrpackethead> unpack, plug in and turn on
Jun 03 03:51:10 <mrpackethead> its that easy
Jun 03 03:51:16 <mrpackethead> what part of the world are you in
Jun 03 03:51:38 <winstonBBB> australia. Is that 1300 individually controlled LEDs - ie colour and intensity?
Jun 03 03:51:54 <mrpackethead> winston, your at vivid in australia?
Jun 03 03:52:05 <mrpackethead> yes, 1300 leds, each RGB,
Jun 03 03:52:10 <mrpackethead> intensity
Jun 03 03:52:15 <winstonBBB> vivid?
Jun 03 03:52:16 <mrpackethead> nice show
Jun 03 03:52:36 <mrpackethead> r49-3-11-147.cpe.vividwireless.net.au
Jun 03 03:52:45 <winstonBBB> that's my ISP yes
Jun 03 03:52:50 <mrpackethead> oh, bizzare
Jun 03 03:52:59 <mrpackethead> there is a huge light festival in Sydney this weekend
Jun 03 03:53:00 <winstonBBB> i'm based in melbourne
Jun 03 03:53:03 <mrpackethead> called "vivid"
Jun 03 03:53:21 <winstonBBB> ah, yes there is. They're really into their light fests. Melbourne could use a lot more light thigns!
Jun 03 03:53:33 <winstonBBB> we do projector things here though and recently had the white night
Jun 03 03:54:14 <mrpackethead> I love melbourne
Jun 03 03:54:22 <mrpackethead> our daughter and two grand-children are there
Jun 03 03:55:37 <mranostay> mrpackethead: ok how old are you? :P
Jun 03 03:56:48 <mrpackethead> mranostay: i was born in 2718 of the third age
Jun 03 03:56:52 <winstonBBB> melbourne has an amazing art scene!
Jun 03 03:57:01 <mrpackethead> yes, i'd move to Melbourne
Jun 03 03:57:05 <mrpackethead> my wife is'nt so keen
Jun 03 03:57:10 <mrpackethead> my buiness partner is based in Melbourne
Jun 03 03:57:31 * kelvinji wow
Jun 03 03:57:37 <winstonBBB> small world :)
Jun 03 03:58:16 <wolfeidau> I am in Melbourne as well
Jun 03 03:58:21 <risc> me too :)
Jun 03 03:58:32 <ka6sox> its the melbourne mafia
Jun 03 03:59:17 <winstonBBB> i guess it makes sense cause it's the middle of the day here...
Jun 03 03:59:48 <ka6sox> what, 3pm?
Jun 03 04:00:01 <kelvinji> melbourne== 墨尔本？
Jun 03 04:00:48 * mranostay eyes bleed from unicode
Jun 03 04:00:49 <wolfeidau> Anyone know why my USB -> Serial is not working at the moment, I am running an ubuntu 13.04 image on the beagle bone black but OSX is not detecting a USB serial device when i plug it in
Jun 03 04:00:50 <risc> damn Melbourne and its time zones, midday for winstonBBB, 3pm for ka6sox and 2PM for me
Jun 03 04:01:27 <kelvinji> hah
Jun 03 04:02:16 <ka6sox> risc, I only base this off of Adelaide because thats in my World Clock
Jun 03 04:02:22 <risc> :)
Jun 03 04:02:34 <ka6sox> ant its 1:32pm there :P\
Jun 03 04:02:38 <ka6sox> he he
Jun 03 04:03:23 <risc> yeah they live in the past :)
Jun 03 04:03:38 <ka6sox> 30 minutes in the past
Jun 03 04:05:36 <mranostay> ka6sox: only PST/PDT counts here! :P
Jun 03 04:07:46 <risc> what the hell is a PST/PDT? :)
Jun 03 04:09:44 <ka6sox> mranostay, for me only UGT exists...
Jun 03 04:10:00 <vol-up> Hi, in the 335x manual i can see that there is a way to start the ADC by hardware signal, does anyone know how can i do it (is it pinedout)?
Jun 03 04:11:00 <mranostay> ka6sox: +1
Jun 03 04:11:57 <Brenni> he
Jun 03 04:11:59 <Brenni> *hey
Jun 03 04:12:33 <ka6sox> vol-up
Jun 03 04:12:51 <ka6sox> ask on the mailinglist/googlegroup/ph0rums
Jun 03 04:13:34 <vol-up> ok, thanks
Jun 03 04:13:58 <ka6sox> you can wait patiently here for an answer too...
Jun 03 04:14:24 <vol-up> ok
Jun 03 04:16:10 <mranostay> start the ADC?
Jun 03 04:16:18 <mranostay> those pins are exclusive
Jun 03 04:16:32 <ka6sox> yes, but you still have to be able to talk to them.
Jun 03 04:16:42 <mranostay> yes with DT overlays
Jun 03 04:16:50 <mranostay> there are examples
Jun 03 04:17:07 <mranostay> iirc panto redid my inital changes
Jun 03 04:30:11 <mrpackethead> kelvinji: 久仰
Jun 03 04:38:29 <vol-up> mranostay: what is DT overlays?
Jun 03 04:39:10 * mranostay rolls up in his snake oil cart
Jun 03 04:39:25 <mranostay> they cure cancer!
Jun 03 04:40:30 <Suboptimus> they sure get name-dropped a lot
Jun 03 04:41:00 <mranostay> Suboptimus: what a cancer cure shouldn't be namedropped?
Jun 03 05:28:57 <Brenni> does anyone know where to find omap_mux? It's appeared to have disappeared due to a kernel update
Jun 03 05:30:51 <mdp> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/sHGWA7-V5bk
Jun 03 05:31:22 <mdp> mranostay, it's a shame there's no docs on it to cite :)
Jun 03 05:31:27 <mdp> vol-up, http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_and_the_3.8_Kernel
Jun 03 05:33:42 <av500> Cortex A12
Jun 03 05:37:33 <mdp> av500, the allwinner part will be A15
Jun 03 05:46:42 <av500> mdp: they should make and armv7, A7 powered A7
Jun 03 05:47:10 <av500> an*
Jun 03 05:47:13 <mdp> sounds like a winner
Jun 03 05:47:47 <Shadyman> dawg.
Jun 03 06:00:27 <ds2> Always a winnder
Jun 03 06:00:29 <ds2> :D
Jun 03 06:04:52 <Brenni> Thanks mdp!
Jun 03 06:17:58 <Brenni> how exactly do I mux pins now?
Jun 03 06:22:39 <av500> with DT and DT overlays
Jun 03 06:47:48 <mastiff> compiling lynx for browsing on the BBB over ssh....
Jun 03 06:48:05 <ds2> use w3m
Jun 03 06:48:13 <ds2> that renders frames
Jun 03 06:48:28 <mastiff> ah, will check it out
Jun 03 06:49:27 <_Sy_> morning
Jun 03 06:52:49 <tsjsieb> morning
Jun 03 06:53:10 <_Sy_> another bright and sunny day :)
Jun 03 06:56:09 <av500> jo
Jun 03 06:57:10 <vvu> mornin!
Jun 03 06:57:15 <m_billybob> mastiff, any of those radio apps you're playing with. Could be used as radio test apps ?
Jun 03 06:58:03 <mastiff> gnuradio is a framework for developing radio apps
Jun 03 06:58:17 <mastiff> many already made to use or modify
Jun 03 06:59:14 <m_billybob> mastiff, yeah just curious my buddy is a radio station engineer, wondering if i could use a bbb with some of that stuff, to make him some test equipment
Jun 03 06:59:34 <m_billybob> i'll definately have to look into it
Jun 03 06:59:42 <m_billybob> ( at some point )
Jun 03 07:00:22 <mastiff> yeah lots of possibilities
Jun 03 07:00:37 <mastiff> check out hackRF
Jun 03 07:00:55 <nikunj_> hello
Jun 03 07:01:58 <nikunj_> i have a little problem of usb so please help me solve this
Jun 03 07:02:25 <m_billybob> mastiff, just recently he had to buy an FM singal generator i think it was called. for tesiting a transmitter, would have been nice to use the bbb to do that lol
Jun 03 07:03:04 <m_billybob> signal but yeah
Jun 03 07:03:49 <m_billybob> hmmmm
Jun 03 07:04:03 <m_billybob> wondering where this heartbeat app is on this debian install
Jun 03 07:04:07 <mastiff> I wonder how clean an FM signal a BBB can generate, probably needs help
Jun 03 07:04:19 <m_billybob> dunno
Jun 03 07:04:30 <m_billybob> hes the RF expert, not I
Jun 03 07:04:31 <mastiff> me either yet....
Jun 03 07:05:02 <mastiff> just tell him about the BBB, he'll have ideas on what to do with it
Jun 03 07:05:03 <m_billybob> but i wouldnt think it would have to be too clean, its just a signal generated at a certain frequency
Jun 03 07:05:33 <m_billybob> but as i said id have to talk to him about it.
Jun 03 07:05:49 <nikunj_> HELLO
Jun 03 07:05:53 <m_billybob> mastiff, he bought the one im toying with now
Jun 03 07:06:29 <m_billybob> bought two one for himself one for the code monkey ( me )
Jun 03 07:09:09 <mastiff> going to be doing some serious waterproofing on my bbbs for marine use
Jun 03 07:09:45 <m_billybob> you're goign ot have issus with that
Jun 03 07:09:55 <m_billybob> namely overheating
Jun 03 07:10:56 <Suboptimus> That sounds awesome
Jun 03 07:11:14 <m_billybob> man i have no idea where to look where this app starts up at
Jun 03 07:11:19 <m_billybob> dont even know the name
Jun 03 07:11:24 <Suboptimus> at least there is an excellent coolant source in the ocean
Jun 03 07:12:07 <m_billybob> mastiff, maybe as an external part of the case, have a heatsink perhaps
Jun 03 07:12:25 <m_billybob> although it should be touching the processor
Jun 03 07:12:37 <m_billybob> and perhaps the regulator
Jun 03 07:13:01 <mastiff> will epoxy copper or aluminum to certain ICs before bedding in sealant
Jun 03 07:13:25 <m_billybob> copper transfer heat better but . . .
Jun 03 07:14:10 <m_billybob> not sure about copper, but aluminum and steal touching causes oxidation
Jun 03 07:14:14 <m_billybob> ( corrosion )
Jun 03 07:14:52 <m_billybob> stel, but yeah
Jun 03 07:14:55 <m_billybob> steel*
Jun 03 07:15:31 <mastiff> won't corrode under the sealant, and anyways in saltwater conditions aluminum gets eaten quick
Jun 03 07:15:40 <mastiff> unless it's certain alloyts
Jun 03 07:15:58 <mastiff> shouldn't need much of a heatsink
Jun 03 07:16:28 <m_billybob> could always coat with marine paint
Jun 03 07:16:57 <m_billybob> not sure how well it stands up but i do know they use it on marine wind generators
Jun 03 07:17:22 <m_billybob> ( which cases are aluminum )
Jun 03 07:20:08 <mastiff> I have some nice marine grade clear coat, which would be nice if I ever need to repair or mod the board, can still see what's what.
Jun 03 07:26:26 <LetoThe2nd> does rcn
Jun 03 07:26:29 <LetoThe2nd> oops
Jun 03 07:26:56 <LetoThe2nd> does rcn's ubuntu flasher for the bbb come with ssh or telnet login? or only serial?
Jun 03 07:27:08 <LetoThe2nd> if serial, then over the usb?
Jun 03 07:28:42 * av500 does not take people serious that call stuff "flasher"
Jun 03 07:28:57 <LetoThe2nd> av500: not my invention ;)
Jun 03 07:29:11 <LetoThe2nd> plus, i'
Jun 03 07:29:31 <av500> LetoThe2nd: Beihilfe at least
Jun 03 07:29:34 <m_billybob> LetoThe2nd should have openssh-server running
Jun 03 07:29:38 <LetoThe2nd> it would be seriously hard if you took a sandworm serious, not? ;)
Jun 03 07:29:44 <m_billybob> i know the debian instructions / image does
Jun 03 07:29:45 <LetoThe2nd> m_billybob: thx
Jun 03 07:30:02 <panto> gm
Jun 03 07:30:33 <m_billybob> LetoThe2nd you looking into using an image or building the demo from source ?
Jun 03 07:31:00 <LetoThe2nd> m_billybob: just using image for now
Jun 03 07:31:03 <m_billybob> LetoThe2nd, it would be wise to setup resolve.conf, and interfaces while you're settting it all up if you're building
Jun 03 07:31:24 <m_billybob> ah mount it before you boot it and adjust accordingly
Jun 03 07:31:46 <LetoThe2nd> thx, will look into it then.
Jun 03 07:32:07 <_Sy_> Is there a schedule for when things like the micro SD will be fixed ?  So one can be inserted and booted with the BBB to be used for storage without having to press the boot button?
Jun 03 07:32:48 <dm8tbr> _Sy_: nuke MLO on the eMMC or modify uenv.txt
Jun 03 07:33:30 <_Sy_> MLO ?
Jun 03 07:33:36 <m_billybob> ...
Jun 03 07:33:52 <panto> _Sy_, is on our TODO list (along with a brazillion other things)
Jun 03 07:34:08 <_Sy_> ok, ty
Jun 03 07:34:18 <LetoThe2nd> panto: leave the bazillians out of this :)
Jun 03 07:34:29 <m_billybob> panto, while you're at it id like my bbb to wake me up to a fresh pot of jo in the morn ;)
Jun 03 07:34:46 <m_billybob> bazillion + 1 ;)
Jun 03 07:34:52 <panto> hehe
Jun 03 07:35:30 <_Sy_> going away for a few days now, picking up son #1 from uni for the holidays
Jun 03 07:36:40 <m_billybob> guess id settle for a script that tells me is o beer thrity
Jun 03 07:37:17 <_Sy_> does anyone have a link for the cross platform development tools for BBB, I have a virtual box running ubuntu, I want to use eclipse or similar to develop C/C++ for BBB.
Jun 03 07:37:30 * m_billybob hunts for the secrete easter egg that is the heartbeat blinky app
Jun 03 07:38:32 <_Sy_> GCC toolchain ? http://www.eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black?showChildren=false
Jun 03 07:39:08 <m_billybob> ?
Jun 03 07:39:21 <Suboptimus_> Well I think as a practical matter GCC *is* the C/C++ toolchain for BBB
Jun 03 07:39:46 <Suboptimus_> suppose you could use LLVM/clang too, but really, GCC is what you use to build native Unix apps
Jun 03 07:40:50 <m_billybob> _Sy_, for what its worth i use that same toolchain on debian, and windows ( theres a windows binary port for windows too )
Jun 03 07:40:52 <koen> _Sy_: what are you running on your BBB?
Jun 03 07:41:11 <koen> that decides which toolchain can be used
Jun 03 07:41:40 <m_billybob> koen, there is not portable libc ?
Jun 03 07:41:45 <m_billybob> is no*
Jun 03 07:42:24 <_Sy_> At the moment I have mySQL5 running on both BBB's configured for High Availability, eventually I'd also like to get a floating IP going between them....want to write some device drivers for communications to industrial PLC's.
Jun 03 07:42:28 <m_billybob> i did notice an app i wrote for my bbb whcih runs debian will not run on angstgrom
Jun 03 07:42:46 <mrpackethead> BBB Db server
Jun 03 07:42:47 <_Sy_> The OS is Angstrom
Jun 03 07:42:57 <mrpackethead> clustered!
Jun 03 07:43:07 <av500> m_billybob: why not?
Jun 03 07:43:14 <m_billybob> _Sy_, then that linaro toolchain probably wont work if its what i think it is
Jun 03 07:43:15 <_Sy_> Thats the plan.....all the power of a large server for very little cost
Jun 03 07:43:24 <mrpackethead> well, not all the power
Jun 03 07:43:33 <Suboptimus_> all the features, maybe
Jun 03 07:43:39 <_Sy_> Performance seems fine atm
Jun 03 07:43:42 <m_billybob> av500, i mstill new to this but my guess is the libc type used ?
Jun 03 07:43:44 <mrpackethead> a BBB wont' run nearly as fast as my Quad x 6 core machine
Jun 03 07:44:02 <mrpackethead> lol
Jun 03 07:44:04 <m_billybob> av500 different toolchain with different libc's
Jun 03 07:44:05 <_Sy_> maybe not, all depends on application
Jun 03 07:44:13 <mrpackethead> _Sy_: exactly
Jun 03 07:44:16 <_Sy_> and how hard your hitting it
Jun 03 07:44:27 <mrpackethead> but there is a *lot* of capablity in teh box
Jun 03 07:44:29 <_Sy_> for what I have in mind, it will be plenty good enough
Jun 03 07:45:24 <_Sy_> Want to host the data itself on the microsd card
Jun 03 07:46:22 <koen> m_billybob: libcs are one created equal, e.g. an app built against (e)glibc 2.17 will not work with glibc 2.2
Jun 03 07:46:32 <koen> m_billybob: and there's the -mfloat-abi thing
Jun 03 07:46:56 <m_billybob> armhf versus armel ?
Jun 03 07:48:28 <m_billybob> yeah i still have lots to learn.
Jun 03 07:48:43 <koen> _Sy_: if you're running angstrom have a look at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom and http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/some-usefull-workflow-blogs
Jun 03 07:48:58 <koen> m_billybob: those are debian names and only scratch the surface of the issue
Jun 03 07:49:03 <_Sy_> ty, will do
Jun 03 07:50:10 <_Sy_> saved in evernote for when I return...long drive ahead, cya l8r
Jun 03 07:51:22 <m_billybob> would love to compile an app for both distros.
Jun 03 07:51:31 <m_billybob> ah well back to reading ( more )
Jun 03 08:07:28 <mrpackethead> hi ho, ho hi, its off fet hunting to go
Jun 03 08:20:01 <mrpackethead> KotH: are you awake?
Jun 03 08:20:27 <av500> dont wake the swiss
Jun 03 08:20:36 <mrpackethead> ha ha
Jun 03 08:20:38 <KotH> mrpackethead: no, i'm eating chocolate
Jun 03 08:20:43 <mrpackethead> ahh..
Jun 03 08:20:50 <mrpackethead> so, heres a moment you can shine
Jun 03 08:20:56 <mrpackethead> i need a dual N Fet
Jun 03 08:20:59 <mrpackethead> good for 30V
Jun 03 08:21:18 <KotH> look at fairchild and irf
Jun 03 08:21:23 <av500> use a tube
Jun 03 08:21:36 <mrpackethead> i'd like it to have self protection
Jun 03 08:21:43 <av500> see, use a tube
Jun 03 08:21:45 <KotH> self protection?
Jun 03 08:21:56 <mrpackethead> current lmitd, tempeture shutdown
Jun 03 08:21:58 <KotH> what do you want to do and what are the failure modes?
Jun 03 08:22:07 <mrpackethead> short circuit
Jun 03 08:22:30 <mrpackethead> i found somethign that might work
Jun 03 08:22:32 <KotH> short circuit?
Jun 03 08:22:33 <mrpackethead> but its a bit small
Jun 03 08:22:50 <KotH> well.. you didnt specify a current yet
Jun 03 08:22:56 <KotH> 30V V_DS is not that much
Jun 03 08:22:58 <mrpackethead> 4A is
Jun 03 08:23:06 <KotH> oh.. TO220?
Jun 03 08:23:12 <mrpackethead> smd part
Jun 03 08:23:12 <KotH> d-pack2?
Jun 03 08:23:15 <mrpackethead> preferably
Jun 03 08:23:26 <mrpackethead> and smaller than dpak2
Jun 03 08:23:29 <mrpackethead> if i can
Jun 03 08:23:30 <mrpackethead> :-)
Jun 03 08:23:39 <KotH> will be difficult
Jun 03 08:23:40 <mrpackethead> dual packages
Jun 03 08:23:45 <mrpackethead> less parts to fit
Jun 03 08:23:47 <panto> afk for a while
Jun 03 08:23:47 <KotH> 4A is quite a bit of current
Jun 03 08:24:06 <KotH> have a look at irf, these would be best i guess
Jun 03 08:24:12 <Russ> super sot?
Jun 03 08:24:22 <mrpackethead> FDS8949
Jun 03 08:24:23 <KotH> if both irf and fairchild dont have anything, look at nxp
Jun 03 08:24:26 <mrpackethead> is good
Jun 03 08:24:31 <mrpackethead> but no self protection
Jun 03 08:24:45 <kelvinji> Disk /dev/mmcblk1boot1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
Jun 03 08:24:49 <Russ> http://www.irf.com/package/pkhexfet.html
Jun 03 08:24:51 <KotH> i doubt you'll find fets of that power category that have an integrated protection circuit
Jun 03 08:25:00 <mrpackethead> i found a 2A one
Jun 03 08:25:07 <kelvinji> i tried the https://raw.github.com/RobertCNelson/tools/master/scripts/beaglebone-black-copy-microSD-to-eMMC.sh
Jun 03 08:25:17 <Russ> supersot-8 is my favorite http://www.icbank.com/icbank_data/semi_package/ssot8_dim.pdf
Jun 03 08:25:18 <kelvinji> but can not boot from EMMC
Jun 03 08:25:22 <kelvinji> Why?
Jun 03 08:25:28 <Russ> er, wait, wrong datasheet
Jun 03 08:25:57 <mrpackethead> 你会说普通话吗？
Jun 03 08:26:15 <kelvinji> 我会。。。。
Jun 03 08:26:52 <mrpackethead> 哈哈
Jun 03 08:26:53 <mrpackethead> 我的中国差
Jun 03 08:26:55 <Russ> ah, nm, not supersot8, powerpak-8
Jun 03 08:27:06 <kelvinji> 别这样。。。这样不太好 私聊把
Jun 03 08:27:33 <Russ> http://www.vishay.com/docs/72146/an914.pdf
Jun 03 08:28:04 <mrpackethead> 巨魔会吃龙
Jun 03 08:28:46 <mrpackethead> KotH: that probalby is the worst chinese every used.  I have no idea what "troll" translates to
Jun 03 08:28:53 <Russ> 巨魔吃了我的翻译
Jun 03 08:28:56 <mrpackethead> kelvin, were did you you get stuck
Jun 03 08:29:32 <mrpackethead> kelvinji: those instructions are good
Jun 03 08:29:39 <mrpackethead> i used that exact method yesterday
Jun 03 08:30:19 <KotH> mrpackethead: i dont know any chinese at all
Jun 03 08:30:36 <KotH> mrpackethead: i sided with the evil empire ;)
Jun 03 08:30:38 <mrpackethead> KotH: i know enough to get myself in trouble when i'm in Shenzhen
Jun 03 08:31:00 <kelvinji> I am in shenzhen
Jun 03 08:31:05 <mrpackethead> nice.
Jun 03 08:31:09 <mrpackethead> what part?
Jun 03 08:31:22 <kelvinji> live in FuTian
Jun 03 08:31:29 <kelvinji> and work in NanShan
Jun 03 08:31:29 <mrpackethead> near the port?
Jun 03 08:31:41 <kelvinji> yes
Jun 03 08:31:50 <kelvinji> SheKou port
Jun 03 08:32:05 <mrpackethead> I often get the ferry from HKG airport
Jun 03 08:32:15 <mrpackethead> it is the quick way to get there
Jun 03 08:32:24 <mrpackethead> the metro takes too long
Jun 03 08:32:33 <mrpackethead> kelvinji: what business are you in?
Jun 03 08:33:16 <mrpackethead> 久仰
Jun 03 08:33:47 <mrpackethead> KotH: theres an "easy-ish" way of typing chinsese called pinyin
Jun 03 08:34:06 <mrpackethead> and my macbook and phone are set up to do it
Jun 03 08:34:26 <mrpackethead> pinyin is phonetic spelling in roman letters..
Jun 03 08:34:32 <mrpackethead> but sometimes....
Jun 03 08:34:47 <mrpackethead> you'll end up asking for an elephant to be delivered to your room
Jun 03 08:34:49 <mrpackethead> :-)
Jun 03 08:34:55 <av500> roasted?
Jun 03 08:34:58 <mrpackethead> when you wanted them to fix the airconditioning
Jun 03 08:36:31 <mrpackethead> KotH: heres an interesting part
Jun 03 08:36:39 <mrpackethead> NIMD6302R2
Jun 03 08:37:04 <mrpackethead> 5A / 30V
Jun 03 08:37:14 <mrpackethead> dual  in a SOIC-8
Jun 03 08:40:06 <mrpackethead> kelvinji: can i help you with your debian problem? I've done exactly what you are trying to do
Jun 03 08:40:13 <mrpackethead> debian on eMMC
Jun 03 08:40:16 <mrpackethead> it works just fine
Jun 03 08:40:28 <Russ> Si7998DP
Jun 03 08:40:32 <kelvinji> i am using ubuntu
Jun 03 08:40:38 <mrpackethead> oh.
Jun 03 08:40:38 <Russ> http://www.vishay.com/docs/68970/si7998dp.pdf
Jun 03 08:40:47 <kelvinji> I want to boot from EMMC
Jun 03 08:40:58 <kelvinji> I tried Robert's guide
Jun 03 08:41:01 <kelvinji> but failed
Jun 03 08:41:03 <mrpackethead> kelvinji: you want to run ubuntu from emmc?
Jun 03 08:41:08 <Russ> 30V, 25A
Jun 03 08:41:23 <mrpackethead> Russ, no protection
Jun 03 08:41:34 <Russ> bah, live on the edge
Jun 03 08:41:43 <Russ> how much protection did you need?
Jun 03 08:41:57 <mrpackethead> i'm trying to remove the need to have fuses
Jun 03 08:42:11 <mrpackethead> this looks interesting
Jun 03 08:42:11 <mrpackethead> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NIMD6302R2-D.PDF
Jun 03 08:42:21 <mrpackethead> i may still put fuses in though
Jun 03 08:43:43 <Russ> you could also use something like a max5943 to provide the protection
Jun 03 08:43:59 <mrpackethead> yes, could put in lots of other parts
Jun 03 08:44:07 <mrpackethead> but i'm really trying to reduce part count
Jun 03 08:44:12 <Russ> ah
Jun 03 08:44:17 <mrpackethead> less parts is good
Jun 03 08:44:32 <Russ> I'd be wary of the thermal characteristics of an soic-8
Jun 03 08:44:34 <mrpackethead> BOM reduction is really imporant
Jun 03 08:44:45 <mrpackethead> if you are just switching them
Jun 03 08:44:51 <mrpackethead> its not so bad
Jun 03 08:45:03 <mrpackethead> make sure they are turned on hard and fast
Jun 03 08:45:41 <mrpackethead> kelvinji: did you follow these instrutions
Jun 03 08:45:41 <mrpackethead> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Flasher
Jun 03 09:08:03 <kelvinji> First check the root partition with "df -h" .... are you over 1.7~1.8GB?
Jun 03 09:08:13 <kelvinji> what does it mean?
Jun 03 09:08:42 <kelvinji> Rootfs partion can't be over 1.7-1.8GB ?
Jun 03 09:10:23 <mrpackethead> you should'nt need to do any of that
Jun 03 09:10:25 <mrpackethead> what are you reading
Jun 03 09:10:34 <mrpackethead> just download the image
Jun 03 09:10:44 <mrpackethead> copy it to an SDcard
Jun 03 09:10:50 <mrpackethead> pop it in the bbb
Jun 03 09:11:05 <mrpackethead> start the bbb, holding the boot button down
Jun 03 09:11:34 <mrpackethead> let it copy, it will be finished when the four leds are on solid
Jun 03 09:11:38 <mrpackethead> then power down
Jun 03 09:11:48 <mrpackethead> remove sdcard and power up again
Jun 03 09:11:49 <mrpackethead> done.
Jun 03 09:12:44 <risc> hi all
Jun 03 09:13:02 <mrpackethead> kelvin, the script just works by itself
Jun 03 09:13:11 <mrpackethead> you dont' need to do anything else.
Jun 03 09:13:51 <kelvinji> OH,  i am using my board not BBB
Jun 03 09:14:05 <kelvinji> My customize board has 4GB EMMC
Jun 03 09:14:13 <kelvinji> just like BBB
Jun 03 09:14:31 <kelvinji> on BBB, everything is okay
Jun 03 09:19:43 <mrpackethead> kelvin, you have built another board?
Jun 03 09:20:19 <kelvinji> yes
Jun 03 09:20:29 <kelvinji> combine  the bb and bbb
Jun 03 09:20:29 <mrpackethead> do you have a photo?
Jun 03 09:20:39 <mrpackethead> are you using an AM3559 IC?
Jun 03 09:20:51 <kelvinji> no , we are using am3352
Jun 03 09:20:59 <mrpackethead> have you put emmc on a BB?
Jun 03 09:21:00 <kelvinji> we don't need the sgx
Jun 03 09:21:26 <kelvinji> My board just do it
Jun 03 09:21:43 <mrpackethead> oh, you are very clever to build your own board
Jun 03 09:21:45 <kelvinji> add emmc for BB
Jun 03 09:22:11 <kelvinji> .....no    i can't boot from EMMC now
Jun 03 09:22:22 <kelvinji> the last bug....
Jun 03 09:22:26 <mrpackethead> do you build microprocessor's
Jun 03 09:22:30 <kelvinji> other issue have beed fixed last week
Jun 03 09:23:19 <kelvinji> could you provide the output info of "fdisk -l" in your board
Jun 03 09:25:54 <skyerjoe> does anyone use the beagle for  media stuff ? and how well it the performance compared to the rasberry pi ?
Jun 03 09:29:08 <mrpackethead> skyerjoe: the bbb is not really suited for media stuff
Jun 03 09:35:52 <skyerjoe> @mrpackethread: so the pi fits more to my needs and is for me the better choice ?
Jun 03 09:38:28 <mrpackethead> depends
Jun 03 09:38:32 <mrpackethead> if you wnat 1080p
Jun 03 09:38:35 <mrpackethead> then yes
Jun 03 09:38:49 <mrpackethead> the bbb does'nt do that
Jun 03 09:39:08 <mrpackethead> if you want lots of I/O then the bbb is your choice
Jun 03 09:40:32 <skyerjoe> thank for the information .... is there any media platine layout planned for the beagle ?
Jun 03 09:42:38 <koen> the bone is based on an industrial SoC
Jun 03 09:42:42 <koen> not a multimedia SoC
Jun 03 09:43:02 * mru demands industrial multimedia
Jun 03 09:43:34 <mrpackethead> yes, becuase production lines need to have 1080p 100Hz 3d video
Jun 03 09:46:58 <av500> some do
Jun 03 09:47:22 <av500> the ones that produce 3D TVs
Jun 03 09:47:59 <skyerjoe> ok  thanks  Learning never stops. :)
Jun 03 09:48:38 <mru> sure it does, when you get promoted to manager
Jun 03 09:48:56 <mru> then it stops briefly before going in reverse
Jun 03 09:49:00 <plundra> Is anyone using a hdmi->dvi converter with a BBB? Should it not work?
Jun 03 09:49:35 <av500> it should
Jun 03 09:49:41 <av500> works for me
Jun 03 09:50:05 <plundra> Okay, doesn't for me :-) I wonder if it's the monitor or the adapter that's at fault in that case.
Jun 03 09:50:15 <mru> it's you
Jun 03 09:50:16 <av500> adapter unlikely
Jun 03 09:50:22 <av500> its just a few wires
Jun 03 09:50:53 <plundra> I briefly read something about a fixed resolution being used?
Jun 03 09:51:03 <av500> no
Jun 03 09:51:06 <av500> it reads the EDID
Jun 03 09:51:07 <mru> I read about a broken one
Jun 03 09:51:12 <av500> and picks a suitable one
Jun 03 09:51:25 <mru> unless the monitor tells lies
Jun 03 09:51:29 <mru> like some do
Jun 03 09:51:37 <plundra> Mkay. Well then it's probably the monitor I guess :) Will have to bring it to work and test with something else.
Jun 03 09:52:09 <plundra> It's a not-too-old Samsung monitor, 19" 1440x900.
Jun 03 09:53:33 <plundra> Anyway, will test later. Thanks :-)
Jun 03 09:55:41 <av500> BBB does 720p max
Jun 03 09:56:16 <mru> that's the highest cea resolution it supports, yes
Jun 03 09:56:27 <mru> it's possible to configure higher nonstandard ones
Jun 03 09:57:46 <plundra> The monitor handles lower resolutions, but could it be the BBB giving up because it can't do the full native?
Jun 03 09:59:55 <chimbaqui> hi everyone,
Jun 03 10:00:10 <chimbaqui> Can anyone get usb0 working on u-boot stage?
Jun 03 10:02:56 <koen> 1080p24 and 1080p30 are also possible, but not useful since it can't decode 1080p movies
Jun 03 10:03:03 <koen> and who wants a 24p desktop?
Jun 03 10:04:02 <chimbaqui> I mean, in order to boot the board from usb not sd card
Jun 03 10:04:04 <av500> right
Jun 03 10:04:09 <av500> that would suck for gaming
Jun 03 10:04:17 <mru> koen: good enough for emacs
Jun 03 10:04:27 <av500> chimbaqui: you can boot the board from usb
Jun 03 10:04:33 <mrpackethead> bbb-gaming
Jun 03 10:04:44 <av500> sudoku
Jun 03 10:05:28 <chimbaqui> is there the drivers to do it?
Jun 03 10:05:48 <av500> the SoC supports booting from USB
Jun 03 10:05:50 <risc> the Black rocks for gaming:
Jun 03 10:05:51 <risc> Welcome to Adventure!!  Would you like instructions?
Jun 03 10:05:52 <risc> ...
Jun 03 10:05:53 <risc> :P
Jun 03 10:06:07 <av500> twisty maze of passages
Jun 03 10:08:15 <chimbaqui> then someone has gotten a boot from the mini usb connector, hasn´t he?
Jun 03 10:13:14 <panto> back
Jun 03 10:13:24 <mru> side
Jun 03 10:13:31 <risc> front
Jun 03 10:13:44 <av500> center
Jun 03 10:13:45 <panto> hi trolls
Jun 03 10:13:55 <panto> speaker-test -t 440
Jun 03 10:13:59 <_troll_> hi panto
Jun 03 10:14:25 <panto> _troll_, isn't your username redundant in #beagle?
Jun 03 10:16:07 <mru> trolls are never redundant
Jun 03 10:20:15 <jackmitchell> on the BBB is spi0 + eMMC available? I'm having a pin conflict with my migrated BB kernel module
Jun 03 10:20:30 <jackmitchell> pin 44e10818 already requested by mmc.5; cannot claim for spi1.0
Jun 03 10:20:45 <jackmitchell> is mmc, card or chip?
Jun 03 10:22:44 <panto> jackmitchell, check the cape definition
Jun 03 10:22:52 <panto> all the pin resources are stated
Jun 03 10:29:46 <jackmitchell> panto: where can I find the cape definitions?
Jun 03 10:30:02 <panto> in the kernel directory firmware/capes
Jun 03 10:30:12 <jackmitchell> ah hah, got it
Jun 03 10:41:17 <jackmitchell> hmmm, howcome the mcasp pins get requested even though they're disabled in the am33xx.dtsi and not enabled anywhere else?
Jun 03 10:41:37 <jackmitchell> am I fighting run-time capebus here?
Jun 03 10:42:08 * jackmitchell wanders off to find pantos DT doc
Jun 03 10:43:08 <panto> jackmitchell, all the peripherals (that are not used on the baseboard) are disabled in the base dts
Jun 03 10:43:26 <panto> the capes that need them enable them with 'status = "okay";'
Jun 03 10:44:03 <jackmitchell> ok, so I have no capes; but mcasp is taking pins, so that's probably a bug, right?
Jun 03 10:44:22 <panto> no
Jun 03 10:44:33 <jackmitchell> but then HDMI is loaded as a cape, so could that be loading the hdmi cape definition and thus enabling the mcasp?
Jun 03 10:44:38 <panto> because the audio for the hdmi connection is using the mcasp0
Jun 03 10:44:42 <panto> yes
Jun 03 10:44:44 <panto> exactly
Jun 03 10:45:23 <jackmitchell> ok, so to disable hdmi, I have to force the cape not to be loaded; but the cape definition comes from the eeprom, is that right?
Jun 03 10:45:40 <panto> well, yes for external capes
Jun 03 10:45:50 <panto> the internal 'capes' are virtual, there's no EEPROM
Jun 03 10:46:00 <panto> HDMI is simply loaded by default on the black
Jun 03 10:46:02 <jackmitchell> ok, so where do virtual capes get enabled?
Jun 03 10:46:19 <panto> they are enabled in the base dts
Jun 03 10:46:26 <panto> but, their priority is low
Jun 03 10:46:41 <panto> if you define your own capes (with the proper resource definition) they will take preference
Jun 03 10:46:51 <panto> and the HDMI cape will not be loaded
Jun 03 10:47:12 <jackmitchell> ok, I see, so I can remove the hdmi cape enable and all should be good
Jun 03 10:47:30 <panto> you don't have to take as drastic a measure as that
Jun 03 10:47:47 <panto> load your own cape and if it conflicts with HDMI, the HDMI cape won't load
Jun 03 10:48:08 <jackmitchell> well, I do kind of have my own cape, but it's in pure devicetree; rather than being managed by the capebus
Jun 03 10:48:49 <panto> you can easily make your own cape by copying the relevant parts in a jackmitchell.dts
Jun 03 10:48:56 <panto> put in your resource requirements
Jun 03 10:49:23 <panto> and then load it by capemgr.override_partno=jackmitchell
Jun 03 10:49:37 <panto> you don't have to mess with the base board dts at all
Jun 03 10:51:07 <jackmitchell> ok, I'll have a look at doing that, see which version suits me best
Jun 03 11:07:59 <Nemo_> hello, how update libgnutls26 on BBxM (Angstrom)? To install git system need libgnutls26 >=2.12.17, but current version is 2.12.14.
Jun 03 11:11:00 <jackmitchell> Nemo_: did you install the latest image like we directed last time?
Jun 03 11:11:40 <Nemo_> latest image at 08.05.13 not started
Jun 03 11:11:57 <jackmitchell> it doesn't work?
Jun 03 11:11:59 <mrpackethead> heres a bit of beaglebone action
Jun 03 11:11:59 <mrpackethead> http://youtu.be/qibOR8Svs5w
Jun 03 11:12:03 <Nemo_> i return system to image at 12.2012
Jun 03 11:12:40 <jackmitchell> and opkg update
Jun 03 11:12:43 <jackmitchell> opkg install git
Jun 03 11:12:46 <jackmitchell> doesn't work?
Jun 03 11:16:16 <Nemo_> yes, image at 08.05.2013 - not starting, system show orange backgroun and  do nothing. With image at 12.2012 i do opkg update and opkg install git, and system show that need libgnutls26 >= 2.12.17. and exit of install
Jun 03 11:17:08 <jackmitchell> hmmm, one for koen then I'm afraid; I don't know what else to suggest
Jun 03 11:19:14 <Nemo_> maybe i can install latest libgnutls26? in opkg install i can write url to this lib, but i can't find right repositary
Jun 03 11:19:20 <koen> that's weird, since 05.08 is a direct dump from an working sd card from my xM
Jun 03 11:21:07 <Nemo_> maybe trouble in boot files? i also try change boot files, but it not help.
Jun 03 11:22:45 <Nemo_> фтв maybe the problem is that I am a novice, and do someting wrong
Jun 03 11:22:54 <Nemo_> =)
Jun 03 11:25:12 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/P3vTNg
Jun 03 11:25:12 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 552c65f Koen Kooi: 3.8: backport MPU6050/MPU9150 IIO patches...
Jun 03 11:26:29 <av500> hmm, am335x can boot from supperfloppy too
Jun 03 11:26:35 <av500> could omap3 rom code do that too?
Jun 03 11:27:02 <panto> BOOToAC (Boot over Avian Carrier)
Jun 03 11:29:57 <ynezz> hm, caviar
Jun 03 11:30:19 <ynezz> lunch time
Jun 03 11:31:27 <av500> avian caviar
Jun 03 11:49:41 <KotH> panto: O.A.D.S. :)
Jun 03 11:49:51 <panto> hi KotH
Jun 03 11:49:55 <panto> aren't you rioting?
Jun 03 11:50:06 <av500> http://www.gplsquared.com/SoM2/SoM2.html#25April2013
Jun 03 11:50:08 <av500> scary
Jun 03 11:50:12 <KotH> nah.. couldnt get a few days off for rioting
Jun 03 11:51:35 <panto> av500, interesting
Jun 03 11:51:57 <KotH> av500: let us know when you get it working
Jun 03 11:51:59 <av500> I'd have wished for screw terminals
Jun 03 11:53:10 <ynezz> it's wireless
Jun 03 11:53:36 <av500> all you need is a charger connection
Jun 03 11:53:45 <av500> then bitbang GPIOs to do NFC
Jun 03 11:54:04 <panto> av500, +1
Jun 03 12:15:50 <_Sy_> Hello
Jun 03 12:16:04 <av500> world
Jun 03 12:16:12 <_Sy_> :)
Jun 03 12:16:37 <_Sy_> Just arrived in Sunny Canterbury.
Jun 03 12:16:57 <mru> off to see the bishop?
Jun 03 12:17:04 <av500> listen to his tales
Jun 03 12:17:22 <_Sy_> lol picking up son #1 to take back home tomorrow
Jun 03 12:17:42 <mru> I wouldn't leave my kid that close to a bishop
Jun 03 12:18:00 <_Sy_> :) or anyone else !
Jun 03 12:18:34 <_Sy_> The life of a student.....think  I missed out
Jun 03 12:18:46 <mru> student life is all lies
Jun 03 12:18:48 <av500> students get driven to uni?
Jun 03 12:18:58 * av500 glares at his parents
Jun 03 12:19:17 * mru had to spend 45 minutes on a train, each way
Jun 03 12:19:17 <_Sy_> we live about 250 miles away....he is starting his 3rd and final year after summer
Jun 03 12:19:45 <mru> studying anything useful?
Jun 03 12:19:54 <av500> mru: we had to push the train, through 10 feet of hail
Jun 03 12:20:08 <av500> uphill, both ways
Jun 03 12:25:37 <_Sy_> When i get back I'm going to go through the cronosync and pacemaker builds very carefully and fix all the compilation issues
Jun 03 12:25:54 <_Sy_> ...or at least try to, I've got them building now with all the dependancies sorted.
Jun 03 12:26:08 <av500> and, do they run?
Jun 03 12:26:23 <Helpusbboard> hello
Jun 03 12:26:30 <_Sy_> no, hence the need to fix the compilation issues.
Jun 03 12:26:52 <Helpusbboard> anything know if is posible used the second usb of bbb as host
Jun 03 12:27:16 <_Sy_> BBB has both master and slave USB support.
Jun 03 12:27:37 <Helpusbboard> in this moment the usb 2 is used for conect the beaglebone black -PC
Jun 03 12:28:10 <Helpusbboard> _Sy_ i can´t conect anything in the second usb
Jun 03 12:28:15 <Helpusbboard> only for debug
Jun 03 12:28:34 <_Sy_> What are you trying to connect?
Jun 03 12:28:51 <Helpusbboard> i conected a HUB in micro Usb
Jun 03 12:28:53 <_Sy_> I've used it to connect a memory stick and it worked fine, had to mount it tho.
Jun 03 12:29:21 <Helpusbboard> and i can´t see nothing
Jun 03 12:29:27 <Helpusbboard> no see the HUB
Jun 03 12:29:36 <_Sy_> I connect the micro USB to my PC, the larger USB is the master.
Jun 03 12:30:06 <Helpusbboard> yes, i know
Jun 03 12:30:18 <Helpusbboard> but i need other master
Jun 03 12:30:22 <Helpusbboard> other master usb
Jun 03 12:30:32 <_Sy_> So if you connect a hub, it should go into the larger slot.
Jun 03 12:30:32 <Helpusbboard> i saw the esquematic
Jun 03 12:31:26 <Helpusbboard> _Sy_ i want to conect in micro usb
Jun 03 12:31:39 <Helpusbboard> the other port is used in other aplication
Jun 03 12:32:01 <Helpusbboard> i think that only have to change the software
Jun 03 12:32:07 <Helpusbboard> for activate
Jun 03 12:32:41 <_Sy_> I dont think you can....I think the micro is the slave could be wrong, but so far from experience, connecting the micro to a PC works, the larger one works with USB memory stick.
Jun 03 13:04:27 <mru> a wild alan_o appears
Jun 03 13:04:43 <panto> alan_o uses RF power
Jun 03 13:04:57 <alan_o> hey guys
Jun 03 13:05:22 <mru> such discrimination!
Jun 03 13:05:25 <alan_o> what's new in the respective lands of an mru and panto
Jun 03 13:05:40 <alan_o> well you and panto _are_ both guys
Jun 03 13:06:00 <panto> there has been riots, and they haven't been here!
Jun 03 13:06:11 <panto> it's a new experience for me
Jun 03 13:06:18 <mru> none here either
Jun 03 13:06:24 <panto> looks like our riot monopoly days are over
Jun 03 13:06:31 <alan_o> panto: going to check them out though?
Jun 03 13:06:45 <panto> no idea
Jun 03 13:06:47 <alan_o> pack a bag full of rocks for throwing?
Jun 03 13:06:55 <panto> it's a bad season for rioting
Jun 03 13:07:18 <alan_o> One does want to riot when the weather is nice.
Jun 03 13:07:26 <panto> why riot when you can sit on the sun and sip on a cool coffee for 3h+
Jun 03 13:07:38 <panto> alan_o, nope
Jun 03 13:07:44 <mru> I'll take my coffee hot, thank you very much
Jun 03 13:07:56 <panto> afk for 10
Jun 03 13:07:56 <alan_o> yes, my coffee hot and my sun cool.
Jun 03 13:11:52 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/5Re7aA
Jun 03 13:11:52 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 2c263d2 Koen Kooi: 3.8: spi1 cs example, fix LCD4 button polarity...
Jun 03 13:39:32 <KotH> panto: let me guess: .gr demonstrations involve a lot of singing and dancing as well? :)
Jun 03 13:53:17 <nataraj> Hi
Jun 03 13:53:35 <nataraj> is there a port of beaglebone to openwrt?
Jun 03 13:54:02 <nataraj> i mean linux to openwrt?
Jun 03 13:54:46 <mranostay> heh what use would that be?
Jun 03 13:54:50 <mru> openwrt is linux
Jun 03 13:55:06 <mru> I'm sure it will run on a bone if you insist
Jun 03 13:55:12 <mranostay> TROLL!
Jun 03 13:55:14 <mru> don't much point in doing that though
Jun 03 13:55:17 <mru> +see
Jun 03 13:56:48 <KotH> smells like an asignment
Jun 03 13:56:49 <nataraj> wanna replace 3.3 kernel with 3.8
Jun 03 13:56:49 <ynezz> I think, that it is ideal distro fo BBB :)
Jun 03 13:56:53 <ynezz> systemdless :p
Jun 03 13:56:58 <KotH> lol
Jun 03 13:57:16 <mranostay> +1
Jun 03 13:57:43 <mru> no, 3.3 to 3.8 is only +0.5
Jun 03 14:01:05 <mranostay> well i better head to the intel-plex
Jun 03 14:01:26 <mranostay> panto: almost have that microcode for you
Jun 03 14:01:33 <KotH> mranostay: are you working for intel now?
Jun 03 14:01:36 <panto> good keep at it
Jun 03 14:01:55 <KotH> mranostay: did you defect to the enemy?
Jun 03 14:02:03 <mru> mranostay: http://youtu.be/qsoa1wHJT2E
Jun 03 14:02:12 <mranostay> KotH: yes
Jun 03 14:02:40 <KotH> mranostay: shame on you! i hope you turn rich!
Jun 03 14:03:13 <mru> hide the money in KotH's bank
Jun 03 14:03:39 <KotH> i've a better idea: hide the money in my wallet
Jun 03 14:06:49 <mranostay> KotH: can i have it converted to bars of chocolate?
Jun 03 14:08:17 <lonepie> greetings
Jun 03 14:09:18 <lonepie> amazon's running a sale today on sandisk microSD cards and I was just wondering what capacity the BBBlack supports
Jun 03 14:12:01 <Spirilis> don't know if there's any upper limit
Jun 03 14:12:47 <SpeedEvil> The pi in principle can't cope with SD cards bigger than 2^(8*512M) bytes.
Jun 03 14:12:56 <SpeedEvil> I suspect there is a limit before this.
Jun 03 14:13:47 <mru> any sdhc card will work
Jun 03 14:14:19 <lonepie> great!
Jun 03 14:28:40 <ka6sox> mranostay, I don't consider bars of chocolate a "hard asset"
Jun 03 14:28:48 <ka6sox> oh btw....mourning
Jun 03 14:29:07 <mru> ka6sox: depends on the temperature
Jun 03 14:29:09 <panto> hi ka6sox
Jun 03 14:29:17 <ka6sox> mru yup
Jun 03 14:29:24 <ka6sox> mourning panto
Jun 03 14:29:48 <panto> mourning indeed
Jun 03 14:30:08 <ka6sox> Pro Tip for a monday: Don't expect to go camping with a bunch of kids and come back NOT sick :P
Jun 03 14:31:06 <mru> kids exist solely as incubators of disease
Jun 03 14:33:02 <av500> ka6sox: you mean you did not leave the kids in the woods?
Jun 03 14:33:21 <ka6sox> av500, sssh....one parent didn't notice
Jun 03 14:33:46 <ka6sox> we brought them all back...
Jun 03 14:33:47 <mru> a bear's gotta eat...
Jun 03 14:34:18 <mdp> ka6sox, the biggest worry is bringing a broken one back to their mom...full wrath
Jun 03 14:34:54 <ka6sox> mdp, yes, we know...Melanie is still upset that her mancub broke *both* wrists....
Jun 03 14:36:08 <mdp> heh
Jun 03 14:36:16 <ka6sox> in July, we go to Yosemite...and one of the new kids asked what we do if we find bears...
Jun 03 14:36:25 <panto> run?
Jun 03 14:36:27 <mdp> instinct is strong in these cases
Jun 03 14:36:32 <ka6sox> one of the scouts said "thats what cub scouts are for"
Jun 03 14:36:51 <mru> you run and hope someone is slower than you
Jun 03 14:37:00 <ka6sox> yes, thats the theory.
Jun 03 14:37:32 <ka6sox> 7 rods, 7 boys 7hrs = NO FISH.
Jun 03 14:37:51 <ka6sox> (unless you count sea snails)
Jun 03 14:38:07 <Guest70729> I'm looking for a step model of the beaglebone black
Jun 03 14:38:21 <Guest70729> anyone know where i can get one?
Jun 03 14:38:24 <jkridner> step model?
Jun 03 14:38:31 <ka6sox> step model?
Jun 03 14:39:07 <Guest70729> yeah a 3D .step model.  Need it for a project that I'm currently working on
Jun 03 14:39:19 <av500> I stepped on mine
Jun 03 14:39:23 <av500> its now 2D only
Jun 03 14:39:26 <mru> 20 pieces?
Jun 03 14:39:50 <av500> 26
Jun 03 14:40:09 <mru> oh, that's too many for an rma replacement
Jun 03 14:41:37 <jkridner> I think Bill Mar of Special Computing has something like that.  Seems like this has been discussed on the mailing list and could be googled.
Jun 03 14:42:10 <mru> google is hard
Jun 03 14:43:10 <jkridner> didn't seem like there was an answer to the post...
Jun 03 14:43:22 <panto> hi jkridner
Jun 03 14:43:24 * jkridner just forwarded the question to Bill, since I know he mentioned having something like that in the past.
Jun 03 14:43:26 <jkridner> hi panto
Jun 03 14:43:34 <jkridner> very nice article on DT
Jun 03 14:43:42 <panto> needs the new beta of the 'compiler'
Jun 03 14:43:48 <panto> panto ^
Jun 03 14:43:50 <jkridner> k.
Jun 03 14:45:28 <Rickta59> so with the latest angstrom kernel is unloaded of DT fragments possible?
Jun 03 14:45:43 <Rickta59> I found an obscure reveference to echo "-5' > ...
Jun 03 14:45:51 <Rickta59> is that how to remove a fragment?
Jun 03 14:46:23 <Rickta59> i was trying to get rid of the HDMI fragment after shutting down gdm
Jun 03 14:49:26 <panto> Rickta59, there is a document that describes it
Jun 03 14:49:30 <panto> how it is obscure?
Jun 03 14:49:43 <av500> it was written by a greek
Jun 03 14:49:48 <av500> it must be old and obscure
Jun 03 14:49:49 <Rickta59> i was searching back in the irc logs
Jun 03 14:50:05 <Rickta59> which document?
Jun 03 14:50:26 <Rickta59> device tree fragment support seems to be limited to the beaglebone kernel
Jun 03 14:51:10 <Rickta59> i found the capemgr document at elinux.org
Jun 03 14:51:11 <jkridner> panto: are you referring to https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?hl=en&forcehl=1#heading=h.j4ega7pcz5c ?
Jun 03 14:51:28 <Rickta59> shows you how to load but i haven't found any that outline the steps to unload
Jun 03 14:51:40 <ka6sox> <sarcasm> you were expecting it to be on a S/370 kernel?</sarcasm>
Jun 03 14:51:46 <sean_> what is the dhcp client for the beagle bone?
Jun 03 14:52:10 <jackmitchell> sean_: udhcp I believe, but it depends on which distro you're using
Jun 03 14:52:13 <panto> jkridneyes
Jun 03 14:52:16 <Rickta59> "le(+ct)] [Act: 2,3,4,7]
Jun 03 14:52:16 <Rickta59> [#beagle]
Jun 03 14:52:24 <Rickta59> Additionally we need extra facilities that are useful for people developing capes:
Jun 03 14:52:27 <Rickta59>  ...
Jun 03 14:52:34 <Rickta59> An option to unload capes at runtime.
Jun 03 14:52:35 <panto> Rickta59, the fragment will unload, unfortunately very few drivers support unloading cleanly
Jun 03 14:52:50 <Rickta59> ok .. so it is a wip?
Jun 03 14:53:19 <Rickta59> other than never loading the hdmi fragment is there a way to unload it properly?
Jun 03 14:53:20 <jkridner> Rickta59: support is there in DT overlays, but you might find issues with various drivers.
Jun 03 14:53:34 <panto> jkridner, thx
Jun 03 14:53:49 <jkridner> panto: for the PRU compiler?
Jun 03 14:53:55 <Rickta59> where is it documented how to unload because i have yet to find that document after searching for hours
Jun 03 14:54:02 <panto> yep
Jun 03 14:54:04 <jkridner> panto: please let me know how it goes with that.
Jun 03 14:54:52 <Rickta59> The cape can be removed by:
Jun 03 14:54:59 <Rickta59> nevermind
Jun 03 14:55:23 <Rickta59> i would have expected unload ...
Jun 03 14:55:36 <Rickta59> The cape can be removed by:
Jun 03 14:55:39 <Rickta59> or disable
Jun 03 14:56:52 <sean_> jackmitchell: thanks
Jun 03 15:03:07 <panto> alan_o, are you around long haired sir?
Jun 03 15:03:44 * jkridner is trying to keep a complete set of documentation links at https://github.com/jadonk/validation-scripts/blob/master/test-capemgr/README.md
Jun 03 15:03:47 * mru expects a reply featuring the term 'baldy'
Jun 03 15:07:56 <mru> oh my, it's invasion of the baldies here today
Jun 03 15:08:12 <ka6sox> mru I suspect that "baldy" isn't specific enough.
Jun 03 15:11:05 <alan_o> panto: here
Jun 03 15:11:43 <av500> mru: easy, prpplague is #4
Jun 03 15:15:52 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/jgNQEQ
Jun 03 15:15:52 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 6daf78d Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix LCD3 key polarity and DRM oopses...
Jun 03 15:17:35 * mranostay waves from x86-ville
Jun 03 15:17:56 <av500> mranostay: arm killer taped out?
Jun 03 15:18:43 * mru throws an f00fc7c8 at mranostay 
Jun 03 15:25:16 <prpplague> mru: extra bald today, just did a fresh shaft this morning
Jun 03 15:25:32 <mru> negative hair?
Jun 03 15:25:56 <prpplague> mru: 0.00 +- 0.0005
Jun 03 15:26:20 <mru> with what distribution?
Jun 03 15:26:23 <mru> gaussian?
Jun 03 15:32:58 <prpplague> mru: hehe
Jun 03 15:33:21 <panto> that's an ign-nobel right there
Jun 03 15:33:40 <panto> study of the hair length distribution of bald people
Jun 03 15:34:02 <mru> I think I'll apply for a grant
Jun 03 15:34:12 <av500> granted
Jun 03 15:34:25 * panto offers mru a Likely Grant 
Jun 03 15:34:38 <mru> heh
Jun 03 15:40:56 <steev> hey all, i'm trying to get my bbk working, following the instructions from http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/beagleboneblack/install.xml - what ends up happening is at boot time I get 3 solid LEDs - whether I use the u-boot.img from partition 1, or not.  I'm on kernel committish 2c263d26dea862cf247e1d73a7d4e5bb723aa450 which is from a few hours ago, but
Jun 03 15:40:56 <steev> i've had this issue for a few days now.  Onboard eMMC is running from the BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013-05-27 image file
Jun 03 15:44:21 <maxinux> prolly want to talk to the gentoo people about that
Jun 03 15:44:30 <maxinux> since it sounds like the beagle is working right
Jun 03 15:47:43 <mru> I'd suggest talking to armin76
Jun 03 15:57:19 <steev> armin76: ping :P
Jun 03 16:02:06 <Guser> does anyone have a good howto for opencv python on BBB? (is it installed by default?)
Jun 03 16:03:59 <mranostay> god
Jun 03 16:04:10 <mranostay> clearly a monday
Jun 03 16:04:20 <mru> there's a god?
Jun 03 16:04:37 <mranostay> no there isn't but that is beside the point
Jun 03 16:05:05 <panto> what is the point?
Jun 03 16:05:07 <mru> how can you be sure?
Jun 03 16:05:15 <panto> there is no god but Intel?
Jun 03 16:05:45 <mranostay> sure until another cooler cult comes along :P
Jun 03 16:08:44 <mranostay> mru: seems unlikey and barely care if there was
Jun 03 16:09:23 <mru> I'm pretty certain it's unknowable
Jun 03 16:09:37 <mranostay> sure but you can pop some odds on it
Jun 03 16:10:27 <mru> so it's rational to act as though there wasn't one
Jun 03 16:10:51 <mranostay> ah yes
Jun 03 16:12:24 <mranostay> mru: you disagree? :)
Jun 03 16:12:59 <mru> _if_ there is a god, it's one we can never see evidence of
Jun 03 16:13:07 <mru> therefor it's simpler to assume there isn't one
Jun 03 16:15:34 <MrPotato> Good evening to all, I have a Beaglebond black, need to install a clock of real time. Does someone know some hardware of this type compatible with the beagle? Thank you
Jun 03 16:18:05 <prpplague> MrPotato: any RTC with I2C is usuable
Jun 03 16:18:36 <prpplague> MrPotato: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10160
Jun 03 16:19:16 <MrPotato> And another protocol that is not I2C??
Jun 03 16:21:41 <prpplague> MrPotato: i am sorry i did not understand your question
Jun 03 16:22:27 <MrPotato> Pardon, Since I connect the RTC - DS3234 to the Bealgle?? Thank you again
Jun 03 16:24:43 <Guser> MrPotato, I think you'll have to rephrase that...
Jun 03 16:26:27 <prpplague> MrPotato: i am sorry i did not understand your question
Jun 03 16:29:06 <MrPotato> Pardon, do I want to ask, since RTC is interconnected - DS3234 and Beaglebone black?
Jun 03 16:29:27 <MrPotato> Thank you for your patience
Jun 03 16:31:30 <ka6sox> MrPotato, is that a SPI clock?
Jun 03 16:32:24 <mranostay> mmmm baked potatoes
Jun 03 16:34:15 <Guser> I have a really dumb question. does opencv python lib supposed to work outofthebox on the BBB? it's installed but I cant seem to get include cv to work :-\
Jun 03 16:34:35 <alan_o> mranostay: extra butter?
Jun 03 16:35:09 <ka6sox> alan_o, +1e27
Jun 03 16:35:18 <MrPotato> Yes Ka6sox
Jun 03 16:35:29 <ka6sox> SPI is available on the BBB
Jun 03 16:36:04 <ka6sox> as to whether our kernel supports SPI clocks thats a different matter.
Jun 03 16:36:25 <ka6sox> *usually* most kernels do support both kinds.
Jun 03 16:39:20 <MrPotato> ka6sox, I understand, Thank you very much
Jun 03 16:41:14 <ka6sox> MrPotato, the kernel config things are here: https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8
Jun 03 16:45:08 <MrPotato> Ok, tomorrow I will return with more questions, but to the oven not please.... Thank you again
Jun 03 16:45:59 <mranostay> alan_o: and sour cream
Jun 03 16:47:24 <Guser> I would really appreciate any help/advice on the BBB python opencv if anyone has any experience with it... (import cv doesn't work)
Jun 03 16:47:29 <Ahmed_> hey guys
Jun 03 16:47:39 <Ahmed_> im searching for a power supply for the bbb
Jun 03 16:47:44 <Ahmed_> but i dont know where to buy it
Jun 03 16:48:10 <emeb> I got mine at Goodwill - $0.99
Jun 03 16:48:23 <Guser> Ahmed_: you can try the ofifical BBB site, Digi-Key, and even Ebay.
Jun 03 16:48:35 <Guser> *official
Jun 03 16:48:40 <Ahmed_> emeb: can i buy online?
Jun 03 16:48:50 <Ahmed_> Guser: do you know whats the name of the adapter?
Jun 03 16:48:52 <emeb> Ahmed_: nah - it's a 2nd-hand store.
Jun 03 16:49:39 <Ahmed_> emeb: what is the adapter called?
Jun 03 16:50:07 <emeb> Ahmed_: http://www.adafruit.com/products/276
Jun 03 16:50:46 <Guser> Ahmed_: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories
Jun 03 16:51:05 <Ahmed_> emeb: do you think goodwill will be cheaper than this one?
Jun 03 16:51:12 <Ahmed_> emeb: like .99?
Jun 03 16:51:40 <unim> good day, I was curious.. I just bought a beaglebone black and was wondering if there are any restrictions on the uSD card type/size?
Jun 03 16:51:42 <emeb> Ahmed_: I wasn't serious - Goodwill is a chain of 2nd-hand charity thrift stores in the US. They don't carry standard stock.
Jun 03 16:51:58 <Ahmed_> emeb: ok :D thanks for the website
Jun 03 16:52:04 <Ahmed_> Guser: thanks bro
Jun 03 16:52:05 <Guser> Ahmed_: 5v@1a power adapters are used by many many other consumer products, you probably have one laying around and don't even know.
Jun 03 16:52:31 <Ahmed_> Guser: i have about 10 BBB :D and i just have 3 adapters
Jun 03 16:52:40 <jkridner> unim: no obvious known restrictions. up to 32GB has been used w/o problem. quality and performance varies greatly. much has been written about that.
Jun 03 16:52:41 <Ahmed_> i found them at my work place
Jun 03 16:53:04 <unim> jkridner: thnx
Jun 03 16:53:06 <Guser> Ahmed_: :) you can find them almost everywhere. good luck!
Jun 03 16:53:17 <unim> amazon is having a 50% off sale on uSD cards today
Jun 03 16:53:23 <unim> wanted to make sure this thing can handle a 32GB
Jun 03 16:53:33 <unim> Going to buy it now. Thnx :D
Jun 03 16:54:35 <jkridner> unim: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/wApfFp095hw/ijSBl_wzPHAJ
Jun 03 17:05:10 <Guser> did anyone succsefuly use opencv via python on the BBB?
Jun 03 17:07:17 <Guser> ^ or at all?
Jun 03 17:09:37 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/Xn2Qcg
Jun 03 17:09:37 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 22bae9b Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix LCD7 key polarity...
Jun 03 18:03:53 <_Sy_> Missing my system already....sitting in hotel room with iPad...
Jun 03 18:04:37 <ynezz> whisky systems are better
Jun 03 18:05:41 <ka6sox> ynezz, single malt?
Jun 03 18:06:27 <_Sy_> :) away with just the wife.
Jun 03 18:07:00 <ka6sox> _Sy_, then you better put down IRC or maybe you get in trouble?
Jun 03 18:07:53 <_Sy_> Lol, been married 21 years, she knows what I'm like.
Jun 03 18:08:23 <ka6sox> same here...
Jun 03 18:08:34 <ynezz> ka6sox: if it flows, it's doesnt matter that much :p
Jun 03 18:08:50 <ka6sox> ynezz, is it Whisky:08 there?
Jun 03 18:09:12 <_Sy_> Been lovely and sunny all day.
Jun 03 18:10:11 <ynezz> ka6sox: dunno, I'm not much into the whisky, I'm more beer & wine kind
Jun 03 18:10:40 <ynezz> can't google that whisky:08 either :)
Jun 03 18:11:13 <ynezz> or I'm missing something (more likely)
Jun 03 18:13:42 <ka6sox> ynezz, its a time not a place or thing.
Jun 03 18:14:32 <ynezz> ah:)
Jun 03 18:18:23 <_Sy_> Was thinking about the QNX OS today....one of the big plus's for QNX is how modular it is, if you don't need a GUI then you don't install it, if you don't need a file system likewise....I was thinking about this whilst I was updating Angstrom this morning, and I saw many many things downloading and updating that I will never use, like firefox.  Is there any way to strip the bits I don't want away?
Jun 03 18:19:47 <_av500_> sure
Jun 03 18:19:52 <_av500_> build your own angstrom
Jun 03 18:20:56 <_Sy_> Is that really am option?  I didn't know that.
Jun 03 18:21:01 <panto> _Sy_, there are minimal angstrom builds with almost nothing in them
Jun 03 18:21:04 <_av500_> it is
Jun 03 18:21:28 <panto> yes, angstrom is not a distro - is a tool to build custom distros for your own use
Jun 03 18:21:28 <_Sy_> That's great....I will have a go when I get home
Jun 03 18:22:10 <panto> now, for a better OOB experience bbb ships with a lot of packages
Jun 03 18:22:37 <f11f12> where  can i get the kernel sources for the kernel that ships with the bbb?
Jun 03 18:22:59 <_Sy_> I will be using the bbb as an embedded system without displays.
Jun 03 18:25:26 <georgem> Anyone know if there is a TRNG patch set to 3.8.x for am335x?
Jun 03 18:26:30 <russell--> f11f12: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
Jun 03 18:28:53 <ka6sox> georgem, I'm fairly good with TLAs...but FLAs give me heartburn...what is TRNG?
Jun 03 18:29:22 <georgem> ka6sox: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Cryptography_Users_Guide#Using_the_TRNG_Hardware_Accelerator
Jun 03 18:30:26 <f11f12> russell--, thanks, and machine would be? ( MACHINE=? )
Jun 03 18:38:33 <ka6sox> georgem, oh...never used that subsystem...not into crypto much.
Jun 03 19:08:29 <panto> back
Jun 03 19:14:11 <georgem> well... I got the TRNG driver for 3.2.x to compile with 3.8.x. Lets see what happens when I try to run it.
Jun 03 19:14:30 <panto> well, if it doesn't have DT bindings it won't work
Jun 03 19:14:52 <georgem> ah, crap. so I guess I'll have to add that too
Jun 03 19:15:03 <panto> yep
Jun 03 19:15:17 <georgem> well, thanks for the heads up
Jun 03 19:15:46 <panto> np, lack of DT bindings has been the bane of my existence for a few months
Jun 03 19:15:56 <panto> no problem with sharing the pain
Jun 03 19:16:14 <georgem> panto: I added a driver for an i2c sensor without having to add DT bindings so I guess I was just spoiled by that.
Jun 03 19:16:28 <panto> i2c is special...
Jun 03 19:17:07 <bradfa> does it wear a helmet?
Jun 03 19:17:15 <georgem> heh
Jun 03 19:17:23 <georgem> it has DT armor :)
Jun 03 19:17:38 <panto> Depleted Titanium?
Jun 03 19:17:45 <georgem> device tree
Jun 03 19:18:10 <bradfa> georgem, I hear they're putting device tree on new army tanks for armor
Jun 03 19:18:39 <bradfa> in case enemy car jacks one they won't be able to figure out how to drive it
Jun 03 19:18:49 <georgem> I guess I meant put armor on your tanks to protect them from device tree :)
Jun 03 19:19:07 <georgem> bradfa: haha yeah that too
Jun 03 19:20:21 <_Sy__> Not sure if you saw my last MSG, hotel wireless is not so good....had to login again...can you add your own stuff to be included in an Angstrom build before creating the image?
Jun 03 19:20:34 <panto> _Sy__, yes
Jun 03 19:21:14 <_Sy__> Ty, will have a go at building image when I get home tomorrow night.
Jun 03 19:24:10 <_Sy__> Is there a guide, tutorial or FAQ on how to build an Angstrom image?   Any special tools required?
Jun 03 19:24:52 <_Sy__> Found it
Jun 03 19:25:16 <prpplague> _Sy__: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
Jun 03 19:25:28 <georgem> I'm lazy. Someone should write a helper script that adds device tree bindings to drivers. oh well.
Jun 03 19:25:48 <_av500_> georgem: thank you for volunteering
Jun 03 19:25:48 <ka6sox> georgem, patches accepted
Jun 03 19:25:55 <georgem> hehe
Jun 03 19:26:45 <mranostay> georgem: this is really awesome of you
Jun 03 19:26:56 <_Sy__> If all goes to plan, I aim to have a HA build of Angstrom.
Jun 03 19:27:02 <mranostay> the community expects it by Friday
Jun 03 19:27:11 <_av500_> UGT
Jun 03 19:27:14 <georgem> oh crap. what have I gotten myself into.
Jun 03 19:27:18 <_Sy__> :)
Jun 03 19:28:25 <m_billybob> georgem, dunno but was just reading on the groups you were goign ot write a dt script of some sort ?
Jun 03 19:29:34 <georgem> lol
Jun 03 19:30:10 <m_billybob> ;)
Jun 03 19:30:40 <_av500_> he is writing a DT driver script writing factory factory
Jun 03 19:30:54 <_av500_> and it will be awesome
Jun 03 19:31:22 <_av500_> georgem: what is the github url, I have a couple of bugs to file
Jun 03 19:31:53 <panto> georgem, don't worry - all the review comments will be sane... mostly...
Jun 03 19:32:30 <mru> _av500_: nottoodumb moved on to dt?
Jun 03 19:32:42 <_Sy__> Question...can you put Angstrom on an x86 platform?
Jun 03 19:32:50 <mranostay> yes x86 all things!
Jun 03 19:32:51 <mru> sure
Jun 03 19:32:52 <_av500_> sure
Jun 03 19:33:03 <mru> _av500_: slow
Jun 03 19:33:08 <_av500_> pah
Jun 03 19:34:08 <_Sy__> Cool....the reason I ask is where I work we currently use QNX on versa logic pc104 tomcats....it's ok but there is a licensing issues and due to the board support package we also need to install msdos on a small partition before we can boot qnx.
Jun 03 19:34:20 <_Sy__> angstrom could be a better solution,
Jun 03 19:34:33 <bradfa> mranostay, can you reinstroduce ARM at Intel for us?
Jun 03 19:34:36 <mru> wtf
Jun 03 19:34:48 <_av500_> maybe MSDOS to load angstrom
Jun 03 19:35:05 <_av500_> to load QNX
Jun 03 19:35:16 <mranostay> bradfa: why? :)
Jun 03 19:35:17 <steev> woohoo, got one booting, using the instructions/kernel/u-boot/patches from http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone
Jun 03 19:35:23 <_av500_>  and then QNX can run Android apps
Jun 03 19:35:27 <mru> loadlin ftw
Jun 03 19:35:27 <_Sy__> Would like to get it so we can boot straight into angstrom
Jun 03 19:35:35 <bradfa> mranostay,  so we can have decent lower power devices
Jun 03 19:35:39 <_av500_> just port MLO to x86
Jun 03 19:36:01 <bradfa> _av500_, I think you mean x-loader
Jun 03 19:36:10 <_av500_> no, SPL
Jun 03 19:36:12 <_Sy__> As far as I know the only JVM that runs on QNX is the old IBM J9 .
Jun 03 19:36:20 <mranostay> bradfa: atom is low power kinda :P
Jun 03 19:36:24 <georgem> _Sy__: We use veralogic tiger on one of our products. We use linux 3.2.x though.
Jun 03 19:36:25 <_Sy__> We use that, it's very old and out of date.
Jun 03 19:36:29 <bradfa> mranostay, you're funny
Jun 03 19:36:51 <georgem> versa*
Jun 03 19:36:53 <_av500_> _Sy__: Google made a nice and fast JVM
Jun 03 19:36:56 <_Sy__> We use to use RT Linux, but apparently it isn
Jun 03 19:36:59 <_Sy__> Isn
Jun 03 19:37:11 <_Sy__> Isn't available anymore
Jun 03 19:37:19 <mru> bradfa: that's why we keep him
Jun 03 19:37:20 <_Sy__> Dam iPad
Jun 03 19:37:21 <_av500_> yes, Linux time has come and gone
Jun 03 19:37:39 <georgem> _Sy__: We just use linux 3.2.x with RT PREEMPT patches. Its pretty good for soft realtime stuff.
Jun 03 19:37:43 <Shape> hello
Jun 03 19:37:48 <_av500_> world
Jun 03 19:37:50 <bradfa> hi hi hi hi hi
Jun 03 19:38:02 <_Sy__> _av500_ for QNX?
Jun 03 19:38:07 <Shape> the beagleboard black has just one usb port right?
Jun 03 19:38:12 <_av500_> no
Jun 03 19:38:15 <bradfa> sh1v, 2
Jun 03 19:38:16 <_av500_> one host, one device
Jun 03 19:38:23 <bradfa> Oh how I suck at autocomplete
Jun 03 19:38:27 <bradfa> sorry sh1v
Jun 03 19:39:33 <Shape> an usb device port?? so i can connect it to my pc?
Jun 03 19:40:02 <_av500_> yes
Jun 03 19:40:11 <_av500_> the mini usb one
Jun 03 19:40:35 <_Sy__> angstrom could be perfect for us, build an image that includes support for compact flash, serial port drivers, no display. That's it....our application talks to the ISA bus acquiring data from our own hardware at 5000 samples per sec. Where a sample is 32 bytes.
Jun 03 19:41:00 <_av500_> sure
Jun 03 19:41:17 <SpeedEvil> ISA bus?
Jun 03 19:41:31 <Shape> when i connect the beaglbone with the device port i can control it via my pc?
Jun 03 19:41:32 <_av500_> yes
Jun 03 19:41:33 <_Sy__> Yes, pc104
Jun 03 19:41:38 <_av500_> yes
Jun 03 19:41:40 <SpeedEvil> ah
Jun 03 19:41:40 <bradfa> yes
Jun 03 19:41:43 <bradfa> yes!
Jun 03 19:41:44 <bradfa> Yes!
Jun 03 19:41:45 <_av500_> yes!!!
Jun 03 19:41:54 <_av500_> OMG YES!!!!!!!1111!
Jun 03 19:41:55 <_Sy__> Harry met Sally?
Jun 03 19:42:11 <bradfa> yes?
Jun 03 19:42:15 <_av500_> no
Jun 03 19:42:18 <bradfa> no
Jun 03 19:42:26 <_Sy__> Oh yessssss
Jun 03 19:42:30 <georgem> pc104 (ISA) is still pretty common in the military/industrial realm sadly :(
Jun 03 19:42:31 <Shape> well this is awesome, someone tested the beaglebone as nas with raid 1?
Jun 03 19:42:36 <_av500_> no
Jun 03 19:42:38 <bradfa> no
Jun 03 19:42:53 <_av500_> Shape: its not a good NAS platform
Jun 03 19:43:17 <ka6sox> _av500_, +1
Jun 03 19:43:19 * bradfa typed "Try Raspberry Pi" and got smacked by his keyboard
Jun 03 19:43:38 <Shape> i just need it for holding movies, i dont need great perfomance its enough when he can stream movies to 1 client
Jun 03 19:43:57 <mranostay> bradfa: now what the rpi needs is a atom processor
Jun 03 19:44:01 <_av500_> well, then its not a NAS
Jun 03 19:44:08 <_av500_> just a networked harddrive
Jun 03 19:44:10 <_av500_> go ahead
Jun 03 19:44:11 * wmat wrestles with Google Groups :(
Jun 03 19:44:20 <_av500_> wmat: use Bing Groups
Jun 03 19:44:25 <bradfa> mranostay, well, it already has an ARM attached to the GPU, adding an atom shouldn't be much more silicon
Jun 03 19:44:26 <_av500_> google reads your mail
Jun 03 19:44:42 <bradfa> wmat, sign up with gmail addy, call it a day
Jun 03 19:45:12 <wmat> i did, but no email arriving.
Jun 03 19:46:17 <bradfa> wmat, I had that happen with non-gmail account, so changed to using gmail account and forwarding, but if your's doesn't work with gmail account that's annoying
Jun 03 19:46:26 <wmat> i've told it to send me individual email for every post, but it seems to not be listening ;)
Jun 03 19:48:26 <wmat> perhaps it takes a while to kick in
Jun 03 19:48:35 <bradfa> wmat, call customer service
Jun 03 19:48:57 <wmat> heh
Jun 03 19:48:59 <ka6sox> hwh
Jun 03 19:49:02 <ka6sox> heh
Jun 03 19:49:14 <_av500_> huh
Jun 03 19:50:45 <mranostay> huhuhuhuhuh
Jun 03 19:51:06 <mru> hihahihahihahihahiha
Jun 03 19:51:42 <_av500_> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/18
Jun 03 19:52:00 <mranostay> hehehhehehehe
Jun 03 19:52:04 <mru> came early this week, eh?
Jun 03 19:52:15 <bradfa> or late for last week?
Jun 03 19:52:46 <_av500_> mru: im at home tomorrow
Jun 03 19:52:50 <_av500_> so feels like it
Jun 03 19:56:20 <mranostay> _av500_: grab a keg!
Jun 03 19:56:55 <mru> he has a house full of kids, what good could home possibly do him?
Jun 03 19:57:07 <_av500_> hence the keg
Jun 03 19:57:15 <georgem> this isn't too bad really. looks like for DT you need .of_match_table so it finds the device. Then you use of_match_device/of_address_to_resource instead of platform_get _resource.
Jun 03 19:57:24 <ka6sox> _av500_, summertime for the kiddies?
Jun 03 19:57:27 <panto> georgem, no, that can't be
Jun 03 19:57:36 <panto> I heard DT is too difficult
Jun 03 19:57:45 <georgem> yeah, I did too
Jun 03 19:57:51 <koen> I heard DT gives you the shakes
Jun 03 19:57:52 <mranostay> panto: it is myth like fri2
Jun 03 19:58:02 <ka6sox> mranostay, +1
Jun 03 19:58:07 <_av500_> koen: only in harlem
Jun 03 19:58:08 <ka6sox> its definately a myth
Jun 03 19:58:10 <mranostay> although i clearly have one :P
Jun 03 19:58:22 <mru> a shake?
Jun 03 19:58:26 <ka6sox> send it to me so I can believe it.
Jun 03 19:58:45 <mranostay> yeah i'm not falling for that one again
Jun 03 19:58:53 <mru> again?
Jun 03 19:59:02 <m_billybob> heh
Jun 03 19:59:18 <_av500_> mru: you saw his flat, empty
Jun 03 19:59:29 <mru> ah, now it makes sense
Jun 03 19:59:53 <mranostay> didn't i post new photos with stuff in it?
Jun 03 20:00:02 <ka6sox> only the desk
Jun 03 20:00:11 <panto> all his possessions go into sustaining his cat habit
Jun 03 20:00:19 <mranostay> panto: bite me
Jun 03 20:00:31 <panto> your cat beat me to that
Jun 03 20:00:33 <ka6sox> its not even Beer:30 yet
Jun 03 20:00:45 <ka6sox> cat fight!
Jun 03 20:00:51 <mru> ka6sox: is here
Jun 03 20:00:55 <panto> I am catless
Jun 03 20:01:10 <mranostay> panto is dead inside
Jun 03 20:01:16 <mranostay> no pets
Jun 03 20:01:31 <panto> at least my carcass will not end up a cat feast
Jun 03 20:01:31 <mru> not even a pet hate?
Jun 03 20:01:32 <ka6sox> do small children count?
Jun 03 20:01:38 <_av500_> +1
Jun 03 20:01:51 <mru> ka6sox: only if they're furry
Jun 03 20:01:51 <_av500_> ka6sox: sometimes I want cats
Jun 03 20:02:05 <mru> cats are _much_ nicer than kids
Jun 03 20:02:19 <_av500_> until they bite you
Jun 03 20:02:22 <_av500_> the kids I mean
Jun 03 20:02:23 <mranostay> and at least you can get rid of cats :)
Jun 03 20:02:25 <ka6sox> _av500_, I think it was the 4th Bond who said that too...
Jun 03 20:02:31 <mru> mranostay: shame on you!
Jun 03 20:02:43 <georgem> Do cats fetch beer from the fridge for you?
Jun 03 20:02:48 <georgem> Children do
Jun 03 20:02:52 <mru> georgem: no, that's dogs
Jun 03 20:03:07 <ka6sox> georgem, as long as they don't tell their mother on you...
Jun 03 20:03:17 <mastiff> you guys are slackers, make me a DT tutorial already..... ;)
Jun 03 20:03:25 <mranostay> ka6sox: fetch not drink
Jun 03 20:03:50 <ka6sox> mastiff, you must have been on a 4 day binge if you missed the HUGE missive :)
Jun 03 20:04:10 <mru> missives are for missing
Jun 03 20:04:19 <_av500_> we have a Trojan tutorial
Jun 03 20:04:33 <ka6sox> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?hl=en&forcehl=1#heading=h.mfjmczsbv38r
Jun 03 20:05:10 <plundra> Note to self, don't attach usb harddrive.
Jun 03 20:05:22 <ka6sox> _av500_, I've heard children called "ankle biters" before...
Jun 03 20:05:45 <plundra> Figured it would be fine with 5V external power, but no, screen went weird, leds went off and yeah.
Jun 03 20:06:06 <ka6sox> plundra, no Magic Blue Smoke though right?
Jun 03 20:06:08 <_av500_> plundra: works fine here
Jun 03 20:06:18 <_av500_> usb hdd, powred separately
Jun 03 20:06:29 <m_billybob> ka6sox, carpet criters ?
Jun 03 20:06:30 <mru> ka6sox: what should I do if there's magic red smoke?
Jun 03 20:06:50 <_av500_> inhale
Jun 03 20:06:58 <georgem> heh
Jun 03 20:06:58 <ka6sox> Breathe Deep
Jun 03 20:07:05 <plundra> ka6sox: No :) Was worried for a second but booted fine after powercycle.
Jun 03 20:07:15 <ka6sox> plundra, whew...
Jun 03 20:07:18 <mru> smoke works same as those pills?
Jun 03 20:07:19 <plundra> _av500_: No external power on this disk though.
Jun 03 20:07:40 <plundra> I'll try get a good powered usb-hub.
Jun 03 20:07:41 <_av500_> too bad
Jun 03 20:07:53 <ka6sox> plundra, are you using the barrel to power it or the USB?
Jun 03 20:08:01 <ka6sox> ( the BBB)
Jun 03 20:08:14 <plundra> Oh, it does manage 1440x900 at 60Hz, it seems.
Jun 03 20:08:24 <plundra> ka6sox: Yes. 5V 2A adapter.
Jun 03 20:08:32 <ka6sox> ok
Jun 03 20:08:42 <mranostay> magic red smoke?
Jun 03 20:08:50 <mranostay> i thought it was only white and blue
Jun 03 20:09:01 <ka6sox> black and violet too.
Jun 03 20:09:08 <_av500_> red, white and blue
Jun 03 20:10:28 <georgem> Maybe you'll get red smoke if you're doing on board a submarine :)
Jun 03 20:10:53 <_av500_> deep blue smoke
Jun 03 20:11:09 <ka6sox> not like Purple Haze?
Jun 03 20:11:24 <_av500_> Purple Plaze
Jun 03 20:11:32 <mru> deep purple smoke?
Jun 03 20:11:51 <mru> what modem did jimi hendrix use?
Jun 03 20:12:02 <mru> a purple hayes
Jun 03 20:12:06 <mranostay> christ
Jun 03 20:12:10 <georgem> oh boy
Jun 03 20:12:13 <mranostay> boo!!!!!1
Jun 03 20:13:17 <georgem> That joke deserves a +++ATH
Jun 03 20:13:25 <_av500_> +ATZ
Jun 03 20:14:05 <mru> I only tell it for the hilarious reactions of disgust it triggers
Jun 03 20:14:33 <_av500_> mru: that disgusts me
Jun 03 20:19:32 <panto> g'night
Jun 03 20:19:41 <mastiff> later
Jun 03 20:20:08 <mastiff> so why do the AINs only go to  around 1800
Jun 03 20:20:14 <mastiff> with 1.8V input
Jun 03 20:20:26 <mru> I spot a relation
Jun 03 20:20:45 <_av500_> after 1800, they go home
Jun 03 20:20:45 <mastiff> coincidence
Jun 03 20:20:46 <_av500_> union regulation
Jun 03 20:21:07 <mastiff> no the specs say they are 200kS/s 12bit
Jun 03 20:21:20 <dm8tbr> *grmbl* anyone have a copy of the am3359 TRM? the TI server seems to have its period...
Jun 03 20:21:44 <mastiff> 12bit should have higher max
Jun 03 20:21:53 <_av500_> mabye it is scaled
Jun 03 20:21:56 <_av500_> to mv
Jun 03 20:21:58 <_av500_> mV
Jun 03 20:22:02 <dm8tbr> nvm, found it on elinux
Jun 03 20:22:19 <mastiff> could be, that wouldn't be bad
Jun 03 20:22:19 <_av500_> dm8tbr: thats the non-export version
Jun 03 20:22:41 <_av500_> needs aPRUval from the NSA
Jun 03 20:26:12 <ka6sox> _av500_, ssssh...don't wake up the dead
Jun 03 20:27:35 <mastiff> yes, the AINs read in mV
Jun 03 20:28:07 <_av500_> as said, its most likely scaled
Jun 03 20:28:17 <ka6sox> you were expecting meV?
Jun 03 20:28:25 <_av500_> mehV
Jun 03 20:28:41 <mastiff> I'm seeing around 5 of noise with the AINs grounded, and the readings are within 1% of my multimeter.
Jun 03 20:29:04 <_av500_> I wish I had 5 noise
Jun 03 20:29:55 <mastiff> nothing else is running, noise might change alot depending what else the board is doing right?
Jun 03 20:32:11 <mru> a wild Crofton appears
Jun 03 20:36:12 * SpeedEvil inspects his pokeballs.
Jun 03 20:36:32 * mru prefers sticks for poking
Jun 03 20:45:06 <wmat> doh, got burned by the new gmail inbox organization
Jun 03 20:45:16 <ka6sox> aha...
Jun 03 20:45:28 <wmat> mailing list mail was hidden in something called Categories/Forums
Jun 03 20:46:03 <mru> ph0rums, ugh
Jun 03 20:46:43 <mru> that said, getting some kinds of mail moved aside automatically isn't a bad idea
Jun 03 20:47:12 <wmat> i had old filters that mucked things up
Jun 03 20:47:27 <mru> I would hope that any existing filters take precedence
Jun 03 20:47:30 <georgem> I suppose that means mine will be screwed up too
Jun 03 20:47:33 <mru> but knowing google, they probably don't
Jun 03 20:47:56 <wmat> well, there's a Tab called Forums, as well as a Category/Forums
Jun 03 20:48:20 <wmat> only half of the mailing lists are appearing in both
Jun 03 20:48:51 <wmat> ah, it's because I "skip the inbox"
Jun 03 20:49:04 <wmat> the Tab is still considered part of the Inbox
Jun 03 20:49:16 <mru> I send most things straight to the skip
Jun 03 20:49:25 <wmat> as I did
Jun 03 20:49:31 <georgem> > /dev/null
Jun 03 20:49:32 <wmat> but this Tab is quite handy
Jun 03 20:51:57 <georgem> I just checked mine, didn't notice any difference.
Jun 03 20:52:17 <ka6sox> I'd like to rearrainge what things show up on those "tabs"
Jun 03 20:52:25 <ka6sox> because I don't care about 1/2 of them.
Jun 03 20:52:35 <sugeeet> hello, everyone
Jun 03 20:52:58 <ka6sox> hello you
Jun 03 20:53:40 <sugeeet> I have a question about the beagleboard
Jun 03 20:54:03 <ka6sox> okay shoot
Jun 03 20:55:52 <KotH> mastiff: noise on ADCs highly depends on the surroundings
Jun 03 20:56:02 <KotH> mastiff: in this case, the whole CPU is the surroundings
Jun 03 20:56:15 <KotH> mastiff: whatever is running on the cpu affects your adc readings
Jun 03 20:56:20 <sugeeet> privacy policies, and use for marketing purposes <KotH>
Jun 03 20:56:44 <Shadyman> Oh crap, privacy policies affect ADC readings? That answers a lot.
Jun 03 20:56:45 <KotH> sugeeet: huh? what?
Jun 03 20:57:09 <KotH> sugeeet: what ever you take.. take LESS of it
Jun 03 20:57:11 <Shadyman> KotH: sugeeet probably meant to point that at ka6sox instead
Jun 03 20:57:51 <KotH> Shadyman: still.. had to say that :)
Jun 03 20:58:23 * ka6sox wonders what that query means.... sugeeet can you be more specific?
Jun 03 20:58:58 <ka6sox> 12-self correcting golf balls for $29.95...what is the world coming to.
Jun 03 20:58:59 * KotH is lost in quartz oscillations
Jun 03 20:59:18 <Shadyman> KotH: 32.768khz?
Jun 03 20:59:33 <KotH> Shadyman: 5MHz and 10MHz
Jun 03 20:59:48 <ka6sox> _av500_, I have another good use for children...chasing errant golf balls.
Jun 03 21:00:09 * KotH wonders what it would take to have an accurate spice model of a quartz crystal
Jun 03 21:00:41 <Shadyman> KotH: He who controls the SPICE controls the universe.
Jun 03 21:00:53 * KotH bows before LetoThe2nd 
Jun 03 21:00:59 <ka6sox> KotH, going to include brownian motion in the calcs too?
Jun 03 21:01:47 <KotH> ka6sox: lee and hajimaris noise model contains a thermal component... so i guess yes
Jun 03 21:02:11 <KotH> ka6sox: but an linear time variant model is.. ugly...
Jun 03 21:05:25 <kfoltman> KotH: I've recently seen a certain application note for STM32F4xx... the one about the ADC noise... "yes, you pretty much have to take a median out of several measurements or your noise will be >20xLSB"
Jun 03 21:05:52 <KotH> kfoltman: wtf? 20lsb???
Jun 03 21:06:02 <KotH> kfoltman: what's that? a guess-o-meter?
Jun 03 21:06:02 <kfoltman> KotH: 20 x LSB level, not 20 bits :)
Jun 03 21:06:18 * KotH knows what lsb means
Jun 03 21:06:35 <KotH> still, 20lsb is 4.5bits
Jun 03 21:06:55 <kfoltman> KotH: I've seen discussions where people got "3 LSB" as "3 bits" too :)
Jun 03 21:06:57 <KotH> i know that the lower two bits are usually noise in uC adcs, but 4??
Jun 03 21:07:08 <ds2> \
Jun 03 21:08:22 <KotH> kfoltman: i also know that the STM32 have only 12bit ADCs, so losing 20bit wouldnt make sense... beside, nobody in his right mind would but anything above 16bit near a digital cricuit.. much less on the same die as a uC
Jun 03 21:08:28 <kfoltman> KotH: AN4073, see for yourself, maybe I'm even a bigger moron that I previously  knew?
Jun 03 21:11:12 <kfoltman> at least the people who designed F4DISCOVERY seemed to go to great length to add lots of filtering to the analog supply and to not mix the analog and digital part on the same part of the board - still, part of the noise comes from the flash prefetch circuitry inside the MCU, if I understand it correctly (at least you can turn flash prefetch off, not sure if it can be done just for the time of conversion)
Jun 03 21:12:06 <kfoltman> at least, that's what I see, but IANAEE etc.
Jun 03 21:12:47 <ds2> it is generally a good pratcile to seperate out the analog ground and digital ground
Jun 03 21:13:12 <ds2> then tie them together a single point possibly with a choke/bead/etc
Jun 03 21:13:12 <KotH> kfoltman: they must have done something wrong
Jun 03 21:13:24 <ds2> practice
Jun 03 21:13:39 <KotH> kfoltman: we use a lot of uC ADCs and have never experienced such a large spread
Jun 03 21:14:16 <ds2> KotH: do your uC's include a ton of PLL's on there too?
Jun 03 21:14:25 <kfoltman> KotH: have you looked at the AN? I may be misreading the note or something - and the spread goes down after adding the median (well, obviously :>)
Jun 03 21:14:41 <KotH> kfoltman: +/-4LSB is to be expected, when you have a lot of noise in the system +/-8LSB, above that something is wrong with the circuit
Jun 03 21:15:01 <KotH> ds2: any modern 32bit uC has a pll
Jun 03 21:15:09 <KotH> ds2: only low power stuff doesnt have a pll
Jun 03 21:15:13 <ds2> not _A_ pLL
Jun 03 21:15:17 <ds2> a ton of them
Jun 03 21:15:35 <KotH> ds2: the STM32F family has only _one_ pll per chip
Jun 03 21:15:38 <kfoltman> KotH: well, yes, STM32 has several PLLs - for system clock, USB and separate I2S/DAC clock
Jun 03 21:15:48 <KotH> kfoltman: no, you seem to have read it correcttly
Jun 03 21:15:55 <kfoltman> or, let me recheck the clock tree
Jun 03 21:15:58 <ds2> KotH: IIRC, it has more then that
Jun 03 21:16:05 * KotH checks datasheet
Jun 03 21:16:16 <ds2> there is SYSCLK and another clock
Jun 03 21:16:25 <ds2> I was just setting up bootloaders on a F103 a few months ago
Jun 03 21:16:33 <Shadyman> KotH: CLK-Blocked?
Jun 03 21:16:38 <Shadyman> ba dum tsh!
Jun 03 21:17:39 <kfoltman> KotH: figure 13, page 114
Jun 03 21:17:44 <KotH> ds2: ok.. there are more than one..
Jun 03 21:18:08 <KotH> kfoltman: wrong datasheet ;)
Jun 03 21:18:11 <georgem> ha
Jun 03 21:18:23 <kfoltman> KotH: I'm looking at 00031020
Jun 03 21:18:34 <KotH> Doc ID 018909 Rev 1
Jun 03 21:18:49 <kfoltman> one PLL with two outputs, another (for I2S) with one output - so it's two and not three like I thought - good to know I guess
Jun 03 21:18:50 <KotH> kfoltman: ok.. wrong revision ;)
Jun 03 21:19:21 <kfoltman> + whole boatload of dividers
Jun 03 21:19:41 <KotH> ds2: still.. PLLs are not that noisy
Jun 03 21:19:57 <KotH> ds2: digital circuitry is worse, a lot worse
Jun 03 21:20:00 <kfoltman> ST Micro say it's the flash prefetch that messes things up
Jun 03 21:20:05 <KotH> ds2: thing shot-trough current
Jun 03 21:20:07 <KotH> think*
Jun 03 21:20:19 <KotH> flash prefetch?
Jun 03 21:20:25 <KotH> hmm... strange
Jun 03 21:20:31 <kfoltman> instruction prefetch from flash, I suppose
Jun 03 21:20:35 <georgem> Shadyman: I got CLK-Blocked today. Hardware engineers didn't setup the 50 Mhz clock to my phy correctly :)
Jun 03 21:21:06 <ds2> KotH: they can mix and generate all sorts of stuff
Jun 03 21:21:12 <kfoltman> funnily enough, I don't see the paranoid analog supply filtering on F3DISCOVERY, and that thing has like 39 ADC inputs - I guess that's because of the lower clock?
Jun 03 21:21:17 <ds2> RF folks deal with that on a daily basis
Jun 03 21:21:52 <KotH> ds2: yes. you can get intermodulation effects, but noise is generally well contained
Jun 03 21:23:06 * KotH wonders whether ST is really using PLLs or whether these are actually DLLs
Jun 03 21:23:25 <ka6sox> probably DLLs
Jun 03 21:23:30 <Shadyman> georgem: DOH
Jun 03 21:23:45 <KotH> ka6sox: most likely
Jun 03 21:24:02 <KotH> ka6sox: the integrator would use too much real estate
Jun 03 21:24:19 <ka6sox> yup
Jun 03 21:24:25 <ka6sox> filters are expensive
Jun 03 21:25:13 <KotH> juup, and there are no pins for external filter
Jun 03 21:25:20 <mastiff> also noticed that the first AIN measurement after changing my potentiometer doesn't reflect the change, even after waiting a long time, but the send measurement is accurate
Jun 03 21:26:02 <ka6sox> KotH, sure sign of a DLL
Jun 03 21:26:03 <mastiff> ^second measurement
Jun 03 21:26:27 <KotH> ka6sox: juup
Jun 03 21:26:49 <KotH> mastiff: pipelining effects?
Jun 03 21:26:54 <KotH> mastiff: reading an old measurement
Jun 03 21:26:55 <KotH> ?
Jun 03 21:27:11 <mastiff> I'm not sure, but it seems to be consistent.
Jun 03 21:27:32 * KotH notes, that none of his books contains a circuit drawing of a DLL as implemented in modern VLSI
Jun 03 21:27:41 <kfoltman> I was a little bit shocked when my drum trigger-to-MIDI converter on STM32 worked much worse (false triggering, repeatability etc.) than the previous version running on an Arduino
Jun 03 21:28:30 <KotH> kfoltman: what kind of trigger?
Jun 03 21:28:30 <mastiff> KotH: just measuring by manually reading the file with cat AIN4
Jun 03 21:28:52 <ka6sox> KotH, I think even my VHDL instantiation treats it like a block.
Jun 03 21:29:05 <mastiff> value doesn't change after voltage changes until the 2nd time the command is run
Jun 03 21:29:06 <KotH> ka6sox: i would expect that
Jun 03 21:29:29 <KotH> ka6sox: that should be implented as a macro block even in ASICs
Jun 03 21:30:15 * KotH now starts to wonder whether the STM32 is really such a good idea as an uC in an application where the analog stuff is low noise
Jun 03 21:30:44 <kfoltman> KotH: well, the whole thing is a bunch of Roland pads connected (via audio cables + crocodile clips) to a voltage divider on a breadboard (red flags, I know) connected to the input of an MCU that runs a simple detection algorithm (if signal > threshold then start measuring for N ms, take a max within measurement window + allow decay time with no detection for the time dependent on approximated constant*log(max_value))
Jun 03 21:31:11 <KotH> kfoltman: ie going into an ADC and measuring the values?
Jun 03 21:31:31 <kfoltman> KotH: well, I'm trying to 'model' the pad behaviour, i.e. decay - but otherwise, yes
Jun 03 21:32:06 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> kfoltman: so, you're saying you have a one-cat-delay?
Jun 03 21:32:11 <plundra> Is it possible to set different trigger settings on the gpio-leds on boot? Are the defaults set when compiling the kernel perhaps?
Jun 03 21:32:19 <KotH> kfoltman: try analog next time.. they have a couple of uCs with integrated precision ADCs..whatever that means.. but knowing analog, they do know how to build analog chips
Jun 03 21:33:45 <kfoltman> KotH: I was thinking of putting some LM324 (output to in-) as a frontend, to reduce impedance (thinking - maybe I'm wrong - that high impedance can make noise problem worse), if that doesn't help or someone talks me out of it, perhaps LM324 + MCP3208 on a separate ADC board instead of doing the conversion in the MCU?
Jun 03 21:34:18 <KotH> kfoltman: oh.. yes
Jun 03 21:34:40 <kfoltman> yes what, LM324 is a stupid idea or?
Jun 03 21:34:40 <KotH> kfoltman: ADCs expect a low impedance source, anything above 1k is not going to work as expected
Jun 03 21:34:50 <kfoltman> !
Jun 03 21:35:06 <ds2> KotH: looked at the MSP430's? supposely their ADCs are pretty quiet
Jun 03 21:35:19 <KotH> ds2: not fast enough
Jun 03 21:35:26 <ds2> oh
Jun 03 21:35:38 <KotH> ds2: i want to process at least 300ksps... if possible 1Msps
Jun 03 21:36:06 <ds2> how much data resolution do you need?
Jun 03 21:36:20 <KotH> 8bit is enough
Jun 03 21:36:25 <KotH> the more the better
Jun 03 21:36:32 <ds2> oh
Jun 03 21:36:37 <ds2> there are some fast SPI ADCs
Jun 03 21:36:42 <KotH> juup
Jun 03 21:36:45 <ds2> fast as in 1Mbps
Jun 03 21:36:50 <KotH> but wanted to get around using an additional chip
Jun 03 21:36:58 <ds2> oh
Jun 03 21:37:08 <ds2> you looked at the ADI stuff?
Jun 03 21:37:17 <ds2> think they can do 1MBps
Jun 03 21:37:26 <ds2> ARM7's though, IIRC
Jun 03 21:37:55 <KotH> the prob is the processing later
Jun 03 21:38:08 <KotH> i want to do some heavy signal processing with that
Jun 03 21:38:19 <ds2> ah... so you really want a M4 or better core?
Jun 03 21:38:21 <KotH> and those arm's done have enough punch
Jun 03 21:38:32 <KotH> yeah.. m3 with >100MHz is minimum
Jun 03 21:39:57 <kfoltman> KotH: I don't even need super precision myself, perhaps I could get away with 10-bit even, the cables and pads themselves are noisy too, and there's mechanical crosstalk through the rack; it's just that both with F303 and F407 boards I have I can't avoid false-triggers and missing some triggers, and that makes the whole thing unplayable
Jun 03 21:40:09 <kfoltman> even with a single pad
Jun 03 21:40:10 <ds2> can the PMIC on the classic or xM handle 1Mbps?
Jun 03 21:40:21 <ds2> 1Msps
Jun 03 21:40:23 <_av500_> pmic?
Jun 03 21:40:37 <_av500_> the battery seansing one?
Jun 03 21:40:47 <ds2> the TPS whatever since it is not kosher to call it by its real name
Jun 03 21:41:35 <kfoltman> you mean we shouldn't say "Big Scary Power Supply Chip" aloud?
Jun 03 21:41:58 <KotH> kfoltman: 10bit is already something where you have to keep your signal clean
Jun 03 21:42:01 <ds2> ok...sure.
Jun 03 21:42:12 <KotH> kfoltman: it's still easy to achieve, but you cannot just toss the signal around
Jun 03 21:42:24 <ds2> no water gods or birds ressurecting or ...
Jun 03 21:42:56 <ka6sox> TPS reports?
Jun 03 21:43:52 <SpeedEvil> kfoltman: do you actually need 10 bit dynamic range?
Jun 03 21:44:02 <SpeedEvil> kfoltman: Or is that because the input signal is low?
Jun 03 21:44:03 <kfoltman> KotH: ok, so the first step is probably to make some sort of PCB with jack sockets and op-amp buffers and voltage dividers and decent ground areas
Jun 03 21:44:28 <ds2> KotH: looked at the PSoC5's?
Jun 03 21:44:38 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: I need decent dynamic range because it's log(amplitude) that matters, not amplitude as in linear - I wouldn't mind losing some precision at the top of the range
Jun 03 21:45:00 <SpeedEvil> kfoltman: Can you simply amplify 100*, and clip?
Jun 03 21:45:05 <KotH> ds2: only at an older version of them
Jun 03 21:45:23 <mastiff> It would be fun to get a usb o-scope working on  a beaglebone
Jun 03 21:45:33 <KotH> ds2: but 67MHz is kind of limiting
Jun 03 21:45:50 <ds2> KotH: they have a primative DSP in them
Jun 03 21:45:54 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: no, and the signal level isn't low really, I already need to use a voltage divider and I suspect the clamping diodes get some exercise, too (it's a signal from a piezo that's being hit with a stick - through layers of rubber, foam and/or mesh)
Jun 03 21:46:02 <KotH> ds2: as i said, i want to do 1Msps. at 67MHz that's 60 clock cycles per sample
Jun 03 21:46:07 <ds2> they call it a DFB
Jun 03 21:46:20 <SpeedEvil> kfoltman: There are simple hacks like put the signal through a resistor to a diode to ground. This will give you mostly log behaviour.
Jun 03 21:46:32 <ds2> KotH: yes, I know but the configureable logic might solve some of your MIPS problem. esp. the DFB
Jun 03 21:47:12 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: a diode, you say - well, sometimes the signal is below 0.6V (with very light strikes) - I suppose that may be a problem
Jun 03 21:47:18 <KotH> ds2: i'm currently reading the TRM
Jun 03 21:47:34 <SpeedEvil> kfoltman: The signal is - mostly - unaffected under 0.6V
Jun 03 21:48:22 <ds2> KotH: for the PSoC or?
Jun 03 21:48:40 <KotH> yes
Jun 03 21:48:51 <KotH> ds2: are there types with a MAC?
Jun 03 21:48:57 <KotH> ds2: ethernet MAC that is
Jun 03 21:49:19 <ds2> KotH: there is a ethernet MAC you can instantiate... it si new so you might have to ask the rep for it or look on their forums
Jun 03 21:49:28 <ds2> it uses the logic block to build it
Jun 03 21:49:46 * ds2 shakes fists at the McSPI
Jun 03 21:49:54 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: I need to re-read about diode behaviour - never used diodes for their log characteristics, so I can't remember what changes in log way right now (output current is a log of input voltage?)
Jun 03 21:50:07 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: but looks like it may be a good idea indeed
Jun 03 21:50:19 <SpeedEvil> Over a wide range, voltage rises 60mV per decade of current
Jun 03 21:50:23 <SpeedEvil> or so
Jun 03 21:50:27 <KotH> kfoltman: get a copy of tietze&schenk
Jun 03 21:50:37 <KotH> kfoltman: preferably the 14th edition
Jun 03 21:50:43 <ds2> SpeedEvil: and over a wide temperature range.....
Jun 03 21:51:01 <SpeedEvil> And yes, it drops 2mV/C too
Jun 03 21:52:19 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: that's no problem, I prefer my drum brain un-cooked
Jun 03 21:52:34 <kfoltman> it's enough that my own brain is deep fried
Jun 03 21:53:13 <mranostay> kfoltman: that is a great zombie treat
Jun 03 21:53:57 <KotH> ds2: the psoc quite a bit more interesting since i last had a look at them
Jun 03 21:54:14 <kfoltman> KotH: that's in German, right? :-|
Jun 03 21:54:25 <KotH> kfoltman: there is an english translation
Jun 03 21:54:28 <mru> germans invented engineering
Jun 03 21:54:31 <KotH> kfoltman: but yes, the original is in german
Jun 03 21:54:41 <KotH> kfoltman: and it's by far the best book on electronics i know
Jun 03 21:59:40 <KotH> ds2: yes, it would probably be possible to build the circuit with a psoc5... but it would definitly use more time than using a high powerd cortex-m3/4
Jun 03 22:03:55 <ka6sox> m_billybob, you here?
Jun 03 22:03:55 <ds2> brute force vs....
Jun 03 22:03:57 <russell--> netcat (busybox nc) in angstrom demo images doesn't support keepalive, there is no non-busybox version in the feeds, apparently
Jun 03 22:04:26 <KotH> ds2: well... i want results, not the most optimal design :)
Jun 03 22:04:41 <ds2> so the ends justify the means? ;)
Jun 03 22:05:21 <KotH> ds2: nah.. it's an sub-project in a much larger project. spending lots of time on a sub project means that the super-project will get delayed
Jun 03 22:05:25 <georgem_home> keepalives suck anyway
Jun 03 22:06:32 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: so, the voltage on the diode+resistor causes a current to flow in the piezo->diode->resistor circuit, and due to the 60mV/Ix10 relationship, the voltage across the diode is proportional to the logarithm of the voltage from the piezo, is that +/- right?
Jun 03 22:07:13 * SpeedEvil can't parse that sentance - it's too late.
Jun 03 22:07:26 <SpeedEvil> I recommned the fine people in ##electronics
Jun 03 22:07:31 <ka6sox> russell--, you can replace nc with a built up version and unlink the busybox one....
Jun 03 22:07:55 * russell-- can even build it on the device!
Jun 03 22:07:59 <KotH> kfoltman: yes
Jun 03 22:08:42 <georgem_home> WHAT! Build it on the device !?! Heresy!
Jun 03 22:08:52 <mranostay> x86!
Jun 03 22:09:01 <mranostay> sorry what are we talking about now?
Jun 03 22:09:03 * KotH thorws a stone at mranostay 
Jun 03 22:09:09 <ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww x86
Jun 03 22:09:19 <kfoltman> you mean those "computers" have their "compilers" now? :O ;)
Jun 03 22:09:24 <georgem_home> Someone mentioned building something on their device. They need to be stoned.
Jun 03 22:09:27 <KotH> girls.. boys.. mranostays... i'm off ot bed
Jun 03 22:09:29 <KotH> good night
Jun 03 22:09:35 <georgem_home> g'nite mate
Jun 03 22:09:46 <mranostay> KotH: dream of chocolate beer
Jun 03 22:10:01 <mru> or chocolate cheese
Jun 03 22:10:02 * KotH kills mranostay slowly... 
Jun 03 22:10:05 <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: when my craposcope arrives, I'll just try to build the circuit as described and see if it gives enough voltage variation across the whole dynamic range, and if it does, great! :)
Jun 03 22:10:08 <mru> or cheese beer
Jun 03 22:10:09 <georgem_home> Oh man. The local brewery has a limited edition cholocate stout thats to kill for
Jun 03 22:10:19 <mranostay> KotH: death by chocolate?
Jun 03 22:10:30 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 03 22:10:34 <KotH> mranostay: slow death by chinese torutre
Jun 03 22:10:40 <mru> mranostay: of all the ways to go...
Jun 03 22:10:42 <ds2> isn't it easier to mix barley and hops into the chocolate and then let it sit?
Jun 03 22:11:04 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> georgem_home: what's wrong with building on a device?
Jun 03 22:11:12 <mru> it's just wrong
Jun 03 22:11:24 <mru> ask your friendly msp430 why
Jun 03 22:11:26 <georgem_home> yeah. its like killing kittens. Something ubutu would do
Jun 03 22:11:44 <georgem_home> ubuntu even
Jun 03 22:12:04 <mranostay> everytime you install Ubuntu RMS kills a kitten
Jun 03 22:12:09 <ds2> once again the McSPI succombs
Jun 03 22:13:43 <ka6sox> russell--, http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/167
Jun 03 22:14:08 <ka6sox> there are some thing in life you just don't do...
Jun 03 22:14:31 <georgem_home> building a single package on a device is okay with me. what hurts my head is when people try to build a distro with 10000+ packages on ARM hardware.
Jun 03 22:14:56 <mranostay> x86!
Jun 03 22:15:06 * mranostay hides
Jun 03 22:15:08 <mru> mranostay: take your meds, now
Jun 03 22:15:13 <georgem_home> heh
Jun 03 22:15:25 <ka6sox> he's been off his meds for a Long Time...
Jun 03 22:15:26 <mranostay> mru: coffee?/
Jun 03 22:15:32 <georgem_home> my core i7 980 could eat a 24 pandaboard cluster for lunch :)
Jun 03 22:15:40 <mru> mranostay: whatever makes it stop
Jun 03 22:15:42 <SpeedEvil> georgem_home: yeah - that's silly. You should use distcc, and a few dozen beagles.
Jun 03 22:16:03 <ka6sox> Ice Cream!~
Jun 03 22:16:33 <mranostay> SpeedEvil: that is horrible just horrible
Jun 03 22:17:27 <georgem_home> I went to FUDCON when it was here in Kansas. Got to see some calxeda hardware. Guess thats what the Fedora/Redhat people are doing builds on. Interesting but until it can compete with Intel its just silly.
Jun 03 22:19:55 <mranostay> mru: you are no fun :P
Jun 03 22:21:13 <Suboptimus_> Does chocolate stout necessarily have chocolate? Some do include it or cocoa parts but I think mostly it refers to the darkly roasted malt
Jun 03 22:21:20 <Suboptimus_> anyway what's the brewery?
Jun 03 22:22:44 <georgem_home> Oh my bad the best one isn't a stout: http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/boulevard-smokestack-series--chocolate-ale/138627/
Jun 03 22:23:30 <mru> one of the local seasonal ales around here is somehow or other green
Jun 03 22:23:43 <georgem_home> mru: do you live in Ireland?
Jun 03 22:23:47 <mru> no
Jun 03 22:23:50 <georgem_home> heh ok
Jun 03 22:24:06 <georgem_home> That is interesting then
Jun 03 22:24:10 <Suboptimus_> oh now that is interesting, definitely different than the usual chocolate stout
Jun 03 22:24:11 <mranostay> georgem_home: no be he is Irish :P
Jun 03 22:24:26 <mru> http://www.stonehengeales.co.uk/sign_of_spring.html
Jun 03 22:24:49 <georgem_home> oh. very interesting
Jun 03 22:25:45 <georgem_home> I get it though. Its a spring time beer. Its the same color as my shoes after I mow the lawn in April :)
Jun 03 22:26:11 <georgem_home> They probably just added the coloring
Jun 03 22:26:47 <mru> I've been told it's not artificial
Jun 03 22:26:59 <mranostay> mru: er really?
Jun 03 22:27:03 <georgem_home> really? thats much more interesting
Jun 03 22:27:08 <mranostay> usually that is food colouring
Jun 03 22:27:15 <mru> well, insofar you can trust a barmaid
Jun 03 22:27:28 <mru> mranostay: this is england, we take ales seriously
Jun 03 22:27:40 <georgem_home> +1
Jun 03 22:27:43 <mranostay> mru: how does that compare to Bud Light Lime?
Jun 03 22:27:51 <georgem_home> OMG
Jun 03 22:28:27 <georgem_home> mranostay: Are you from the USA? You just disgraced our nation.
Jun 03 22:28:29 <mru> about the same as it compares to a platypus
Jun 03 22:28:47 <risc> hi all
Jun 03 22:28:52 <mranostay> geez people take me seriously?
Jun 03 22:28:57 <mru> hell no
Jun 03 22:28:59 <georgem_home> heh
Jun 03 22:29:02 <mranostay> good
Jun 03 22:29:04 <mranostay> i think
Jun 03 22:29:45 <georgem_home> Anyone home brew?
Jun 03 22:29:59 <ds2> QRP?
Jun 03 22:30:07 <mranostay> i home drink that count?
Jun 03 22:30:10 <mru> what's the point when there's a nice pub next-door?
Jun 03 22:31:00 <georgem_home> mru: I live in America. Theres not a nice pub next door. There are several thousand cookie cutter houses and a few miles beyond that a gas station and McDonalds.
Jun 03 22:31:44 <mranostay> georgem_home: don't live in the burbs
Jun 03 22:31:56 <mru> that's such a waste of time
Jun 03 22:32:03 <mru> cities were built to be lived in
Jun 03 22:32:10 <georgem_home> I agree
Jun 03 22:32:40 <ds2> got to keep it easy for them fleas to spread stuff around
Jun 03 22:32:51 <georgem_home> Good place to raise families though. *shrug*
Jun 03 22:33:07 <mru> leave that to parents
Jun 03 22:33:24 <georgem_home> well... seeing as how I'm a parent...
Jun 03 22:33:30 * mranostay enjoys living within drunken stumbling distance from a few good bars
Jun 03 22:33:42 <mranostay> georgem_home: even more reason to drink!
Jun 03 22:34:14 <georgem_home> mranostay: oh crap. my child just took a video of me. surely it'll be on youtube within seconds
Jun 03 22:35:07 <kfoltman> georgem: disconnect the internet! stat!
Jun 03 22:35:26 <mru> the kid probably has a 3g phone
Jun 03 22:35:37 <mru> there's no stopping 'em these days
Jun 03 22:35:40 <kfoltman> engage the faraday cage!
Jun 03 22:35:40 <georgem_home> heh
Jun 03 22:36:23 <georgem_home> mranostay: this is the kit I'm looking at getting http://www.homebrewing.org/Beginning-Homebrew-Kit-Upgrade-4-with-keg_p_1707.html
Jun 03 22:39:06 <SpeedEvil> Kids today need to learn video editing.
Jun 03 22:39:13 <georgem_home> no kidding
Jun 03 22:39:14 <SpeedEvil> It's awesome for blackmailing drunk parents.
Jun 03 22:39:25 <georgem_home> ha
Jun 03 22:40:46 <mranostay> SpeedEvil: drunk parents usually don't care :P
Jun 03 22:41:01 <georgem_home> until they're not drunk
Jun 03 22:41:13 <mru> that happens?
Jun 03 22:41:22 <georgem_home> Damn, know I was doing it wrong.
Jun 03 22:41:57 <georgem_home> knew*
Jun 03 22:43:48 <georgem_home> Drinking any place other than your house around here is a good way to end up in jail, unless you have a chauffeur.
Jun 03 22:44:01 <mranostay> where you live?
Jun 03 22:44:10 <georgem_home> Kansas. Pretty much a Police state
Jun 03 22:44:27 <mranostay> nothing worse than bored cops
Jun 03 22:44:37 <georgem_home> so true
Jun 03 22:45:02 <georgem_home> bored cops with a budget surplus...
Jun 03 22:46:38 <mranostay> heh they have any drones?
Jun 03 22:47:48 <georgem_home> Don't think so
Jun 03 22:49:13 <georgem_home> My wife doesn't drive either, which sucks (she's Canadian)
Jun 03 22:49:38 <mru> wmat: ^^ did you see that?
Jun 03 22:49:44 <georgem_home> lol
Jun 03 22:50:03 <mranostay> you know being a Canuck isn't that bad :P
Jun 03 22:50:18 <georgem_home> Hey, aparently in Canada they have properly funded public transport and if you live in the city theres no reason to drive.
Jun 03 22:50:18 <kfoltman> mranostay: I'd say not driving is pretty bad?
Jun 03 22:50:41 <mru> kfoltman: nothing wrong with not _needing_ to drive
Jun 03 22:50:48 <mru> like if you live in a city...
Jun 03 22:50:50 <kfoltman> mru: that's what I like about Europe, in general
Jun 03 22:51:48 <kfoltman> mru: I'm 37 and never needed to drive a car (got a driving license anyway, but I'm a shit driver so didn't bother to get any practice after getting the license, and it expired unused)
Jun 03 22:52:08 <georgem_home> kfoltman: what country you live in?
Jun 03 22:52:21 <kfoltman> georgem_home: Ireland (ex-pat from Poland)
Jun 03 22:52:48 <Suboptimus_> oh wasn't paying attention. Yeah I just brewed my first batch about a month ago
Jun 03 22:52:51 <mranostay> really in Portland you could by without driving
Jun 03 22:53:12 <georgem_home> kfoltman: ah cool. I'm of Polish decent as well.
Jun 03 22:53:30 <kfoltman> I'm of Polish indecent ;)
Jun 03 22:53:38 <georgem_home> well, thats even better
Jun 03 22:53:46 <Suboptimus_> I did an extract kit Hef because I wanted something fast to make beer for a friend's party. On the whole the process was pretty simple. That kit is way more advanced than my setup, I just had a 5 gallon water bottle and a  few basics like syphon, hygrometer, etc.
Jun 03 22:54:13 <Suboptimus_> did bottle conditioning instead of forced carbonation… I just reused 2 liter soda bottles
Jun 03 22:54:37 <georgem_home> Suboptimus_: Cool.
Jun 03 22:55:33 <georgem_home> The all-grain kits are pretty expensive.
Jun 03 22:55:33 * kfoltman -> bed
Jun 03 22:55:42 <Suboptimus_> I came out pretty good… It was a really warm week on Southern California though so it fermented between 75-80 degrees, warmer than you want. It banana and kind of bubblegum undertones, which was kinda OK for Hef but a little weird
Jun 03 22:56:07 <georgem_home> Hef? Hefeweizen?
Jun 03 22:56:10 <Suboptimus_> yeah
Jun 03 22:56:19 <georgem_home> Ah, very good
Jun 03 22:56:48 <mranostay> Suboptimus_: you sure you weren't making meth :P
Jun 03 22:57:00 <Suboptimus_> I wasn't trying...
Jun 03 22:58:58 <georgem_home> I was born in San Diego, grew up in San Francisco and now I live in Kansas. Kind of a down hill slide ;)
Jun 03 22:59:29 <mranostay> georgem_home: why would anyone in their right mind move to Kansas?
Jun 03 23:00:17 <georgem_home> mranostay: my father. guy with PhD in statistics from nobel lauret decided that living in California was far too hazardous
Jun 03 23:00:37 <mru> cancer everywhere
Jun 03 23:00:42 <georgem_home> ROFL
Jun 03 23:00:54 <russell--> guess i'll have to write my own tcp server that either times out or forks. my simple solution has run out of legs faced with client-going-away-and-restarting.
Jun 03 23:01:06 <russell--> tornados!
Jun 03 23:01:46 <georgem_home> Oklahoma is the tornado state. We just stole it from them because of that retarded movie.
Jun 03 23:04:23 <russell--> oklahoma has its own musical
Jun 03 23:04:30 <georgem_home> true
Jun 03 23:04:45 <russell--> what's with THAT?
Jun 03 23:05:00 <georgem_home> Oklahoma where the ......
Jun 03 23:06:24 <georgem_home> Should probably go... Oklahoma where the majority of native american tribes were forcably relocated to...
Jun 03 23:06:42 <maxinux> yay beer brewing talk everywhere... i strongly encourage brewing beer
Jun 03 23:07:01 <Suboptimus_> ferment everything
Jun 03 23:07:38 <georgem_home> maxinux: Do you have any views on the extract vs all-grain debate?
Jun 03 23:08:40 <maxinux> georgem_home:  i started extract, have gone to all grain.. seems to me that extract gets you into it.. you will never have the control without going all grain
Jun 03 23:08:50 <maxinux> that said you need a lot more equipment, way more time
Jun 03 23:09:15 <maxinux> i start an all grain batch at the beginning of my day, do some work, start sparging, going to lunch, come back and brew it as if its an extract run
Jun 03 23:09:19 <maxinux> im really lazy about it :)
Jun 03 23:10:18 <Bob___> Hello, can anobody suggest me a link for software design manual for BBB? Thank you
Jun 03 23:11:45 <georgem_home> maxinux: yeah I sort of got the impression that extract was kind of half-assed, which isn't my modus operandi. Maybe I'll save up and go straight for all-grain.
Jun 03 23:12:07 <mranostay> Suboptimus_: beer all things!
Jun 03 23:12:29 <m_billybob> Bob___ short of google + keywords ? ---> http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Bone-Electronics-Beaglebone-BeagleBone/dp/1627051376
Jun 03 23:12:39 <maxinux> georgem_home:  extract beer tastes GREAT
Jun 03 23:12:54 <maxinux> georgem_home:  and it takes 1.5 months before you find out if your first experience was any good... thats a lot of investment of time and money
Jun 03 23:13:30 <Suboptimus_> That's why I started with a Hef, faster turnaround :)
Jun 03 23:13:45 <georgem_home> maxinux: true may as well start there
Jun 03 23:14:05 <maxinux> and kegging v bottling is another debate
Jun 03 23:14:14 <maxinux> i went straight with kegerator and kegs, then built a kegbot
Jun 03 23:14:15 <georgem_home> Ah yes. Whats your take on that?>
Jun 03 23:14:33 <maxinux> ive counter pressure filled bottles, and its a bit of a pain in the ass but workable
Jun 03 23:18:05 <georgem_home> maxinux: why did you switch to all-grain? Just so you could have more control?
Jun 03 23:19:13 <Turl> ka6sox: wtf did you just mail me?
Jun 03 23:20:53 <Turl> (and everybody gsoc related for that matter :/)
Jun 03 23:21:01 <georgem_home> Chances are if its anything like any other IRC channel I've frequented it involved a chicken in a compromised position.
Jun 03 23:21:14 <Turl> georgem_home: no, it's diet pills spam
Jun 03 23:21:22 <Turl> georgem_home: ka6sox's machine/email got compromised I bet
Jun 03 23:21:35 <georgem_home> h@x0rd
Jun 03 23:22:19 <georgem_home> He probably typed in his email password in a windows computer (bad mistake)
Jun 03 23:23:14 * m_billybob types email password in a windows machine weekly
Jun 03 23:23:20 <Turl> probably
Jun 03 23:23:35 <Turl> m_billybob: I hope you have two step auth on
Jun 03 23:23:51 <m_billybob> I have billybob knows what not to do on ;)
Jun 03 23:24:08 <ka6sox> yes, I know
Jun 03 23:24:19 <maxinux> georgem_home:  cost, control, closer to the Real Thing...
Jun 03 23:24:58 <m_billybob> Turl, primarily though. gmail is a big problem saver.
Jun 03 23:25:32 <m_billybob> ka6sox, you clicked that link on the groups wulfie said not to click ?
Jun 03 23:25:41 <m_billybob> ( the infected person )
Jun 03 23:25:54 <Turl> m_billybob: I make a policy for myself of not to log in with any account on any pc that's not mine
Jun 03 23:25:58 <ka6sox> hell if I konw
Jun 03 23:26:17 <ka6sox> I changed my pw
Jun 03 23:26:19 <georgem_home> maxinux: yeah, thats what I was thinking. I think I'll go straight for all-grain. Baby steps are for pussies. j/k
Jun 03 23:26:20 <ka6sox> and went 2 step
Jun 03 23:26:30 <Turl> if I need to email on a random place I use my phone
Jun 03 23:26:40 <Turl> ka6sox: +1
Jun 03 23:26:42 <maxinux> georgem_home:  getting technique down is good though
Jun 03 23:27:13 <m_billybob> Turl, i only use my own computers . . . unless im fixing / uninfecting someone elses.
Jun 03 23:27:35 <m_billybob> Turl, i used to mke pretty good money from windows users ;) lol
Jun 03 23:27:40 <georgem_home> maxinux: ok. well I think a lot of the kit components needed for the extract kit are also needed for the all-grain kit so I think I can just buy the extract kit and upgrade to all-grain later.
Jun 03 23:27:49 <maxinux> precisely
Jun 03 23:28:04 <maxinux> get a good kettle then get some igloos later
Jun 03 23:28:09 <Turl> m_billybob: haha
Jun 03 23:29:48 <georgem_home> oh crap, my wife is threatening to turn wood into furniture.
Jun 03 23:30:09 <m_billybob> beter than turning furnature into firewood ?
Jun 03 23:30:18 <georgem_home> yes, much
Jun 03 23:30:48 * georgem_home hides all of the power tools
Jun 03 23:30:52 <m_billybob> heh
Jun 03 23:31:16 <m_billybob> best woodworkign is done with hand tools anyhow :)
Jun 03 23:31:25 <georgem_home> true
Jun 03 23:32:12 <m_billybob> except sanding. good ole palm sander always welcome
Jun 03 23:32:37 <m_billybob> but mostly in my own case, you want to keep power tools away from me too
Jun 03 23:33:14 <georgem_home> yes, true with me as well. Although I've managed not to cut any limbs off after a weekend of cutting flooring with a table saw.
Jun 03 23:33:49 <m_billybob> nothing like that. i just mean ive ruined good pieces of wood by workign too fast. takign too much off etc
Jun 03 23:34:56 <georgem_home> ah yes
Jun 03 23:35:05 <m_billybob> but yeah when i was in my early 20's ive seen people cut into their thighs with a skill saw, nail 2.5 fingers together with a nil gun etc
Jun 03 23:35:19 <mranostay> ka6sox: hey your address book got hacked
Jun 03 23:35:46 <mranostay> unless you want us all to lose weight
Jun 03 23:35:57 <m_billybob> guy who nailed his fingers together was stoned ( smoking weed ) and shot his finger right through the knuckles. imagine what his hospital visit was like . . .
Jun 03 23:36:41 <mranostay> drugs and power tools fun fun
Jun 03 23:36:50 <m_billybob> stupid fun .
Jun 03 23:37:05 <ka6sox> mranostay, I've changed the account pw...I'm not sure what happened.
Jun 03 23:37:32 <mranostay> using the 2-method auth?
Jun 03 23:37:53 <m_billybob> google taskmanager processes ( from all users ) if unsure !
Jun 03 23:38:38 <ds2> uh....
Jun 03 23:38:52 <georgem_home> I think we lost most of the Europeans to time difference
Jun 03 23:38:53 <ds2> ka6sox: can you please FIX your system NOW!
Jun 03 23:40:41 <georgem_home> Anyone else had Modus Hoperandi? One of my favorite beer names.
Jun 03 23:41:18 <m_billybob> have had flat tire, and whats it, <something> bastard
Jun 03 23:41:40 <georgem_home> stone arogant bastard?
Jun 03 23:41:48 <m_billybob> arrogant bastard beer or somethign like that
Jun 03 23:41:53 <m_billybob> ah yeah thats it
Jun 03 23:42:02 <georgem_home> yeah. I went to the first tapping of that.
Jun 03 23:42:19 <georgem_home> well. in this part of the country at least
Jun 03 23:42:20 <ka6sox> ds2, still coming?
Jun 03 23:42:29 <ds2> not actively
Jun 03 23:43:10 <m_billybob> georgem, my favorite though is ( cant remember the name ) a german hefe weiss
Jun 03 23:43:28 <m_billybob> the more yest floating in the bottom the better !
Jun 03 23:43:32 <ka6sox> I shut down everything google..if its still coming then I dunno
Jun 03 23:43:37 <kaektech> Hola!
Jun 03 23:44:17 <ds2> FWIW, it was all google related. got 4 instances of it.
Jun 03 23:45:08 <ka6sox> I have a really good password...
Jun 03 23:45:19 <ka6sox> so I changed it and went to 2way passwords now :p
Jun 03 23:45:32 <georgem_home> m_billybob: german style or from Germany?
Jun 03 23:46:18 <Turl> ka6sox: go go gmail website, on the bottom of the page, there's a link to show recent activity and close all other open sessions. Use it
Jun 03 23:46:41 <Turl> go to*
Jun 03 23:46:45 <georgem_home> Weihenstephaner is about the best I've had: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/252/731
Jun 03 23:47:00 <ds2> thunder in the cloud
Jun 03 23:47:03 <ka6sox> Turl, yes, all my single address.
Jun 03 23:47:14 <ka6sox> so thats what I'm looking for vectors
Jun 03 23:47:39 <ds2> sure it wasn't a compromise on your box?
Jun 03 23:52:47 <Turl> java hole maybe?
Jun 03 23:53:18 <ka6sox> its osx 6.8 and Android 4.2.1
Jun 03 23:54:17 <georgem_home> oh man, mexicans coming in my house to take my beer
Jun 03 23:54:34 <mranostay> context?
Jun 03 23:54:43 <georgem_home> my life
Jun 03 23:54:58 <georgem_home> lol
Jun 03 23:55:35 <mranostay> isn't that a hanging offense in Kansas still?
Jun 03 23:56:25 <kaektech> yes
Jun 03 23:56:37 <georgem_home> Probably
Jun 03 23:56:38 <m_billybob> beer wrangling
Jun 03 23:57:03 <kaektech> Dodge City, FTW
Jun 03 23:57:23 <georgem_home> wtf, he just tickled me too. this isn't right
Jun 03 23:57:58 * mranostay backs away
Jun 03 23:58:29 <mranostay> so we know georgem_home thinks the mexicans are coming for his beer when he is drunk
Jun 03 23:58:34 <mranostay> and they tickle
Jun 03 23:59:30 <m_billybob> rana !
Jun 03 23:59:31 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> all this booze talk and i just remembered i have an open bottle of sake in my trunk!
Jun 04 00:00:01 <georgem_home> That sounds like a good story although the truth is that georgem's neighbor imigrated to the US at the age of 6 on a train car and is very special and does things like this on a daily basis.
Jun 04 00:00:56 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> whomever the "does things" is mowing lawns is a racist jerk.
Jun 04 00:01:02 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> wow, words are hard.
Jun 04 00:01:39 <ka6sox> now I'm getting phishing attacks from other folks :P
Jun 04 00:01:54 <mranostay> ka6sox: what is your password?
Jun 04 00:02:14 <ka6sox> mranostay, not very funny
Jun 04 00:02:17 <georgem_home> PRU_EVTOUT_2: what? mowing lawns?
Jun 04 00:02:41 <mranostay> ka6sox: not even a little?
Jun 04 00:02:51 <kaektech> Damn, power cut out. Yay UPS, boo pole transformers.
Jun 04 00:03:04 <kaektech> Shutting down...
Jun 04 00:03:40 <georgem_home> protop... a lot of utilities run their pole top transforms at 120% capacity because they're cheap
Jun 04 00:03:44 <georgem_home> tip*
Jun 04 00:04:39 <m_billybob> lol
Jun 04 00:04:58 <mranostay> georgem_home: good to know
Jun 04 00:04:59 <georgem_home> wtf, my work internet must have just quit
Jun 04 00:18:29 <mru> ka6sox: why are "you" sending spam links?
Jun 04 00:18:56 <mranostay> mru: he is going into the spam business
Jun 04 00:19:18 <mranostay> and is concerned about our weigh
Jun 04 00:20:11 <ka6sox> mru, send me headers please?
Jun 04 00:20:16 <ka6sox> trying to get to the bottom of this.
Jun 04 00:21:12 <kaektech> electricity is a bitch, but the data line still works.
Jun 04 00:21:14 <mru> http://pastebin.ca/2388648
Jun 04 00:21:43 <mranostay> http://pastebin.com/z8wyqiAz
Jun 04 00:21:48 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ka6sox: there was a malware infecting link on the beaglebone boards a few days ago.
Jun 04 00:21:56 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> mranostay: probably would have been better to private that.
Jun 04 00:23:09 <mranostay> bah it is except for posting it
Jun 04 00:23:24 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> lol
Jun 04 00:24:39 <mranostay> isn't 10.x.x.x private network space?
Jun 04 00:24:43 <georgem_home> yes
Jun 04 00:24:51 <georgem_home> class A
Jun 04 00:25:12 <georgem_home> 10.0.0.0/8
Jun 04 00:25:50 <thurgood> it's coming from inside the house !!!
Jun 04 00:26:13 <mranostay> +1
Jun 04 00:26:56 <georgem_home> wife is abducting me. it was good knowing you.
Jun 04 00:27:08 <thurgood> heh
Jun 04 00:28:23 <thurgood> if you can login to google they can probably show you the IP they think you were using when the emails were sent
Jun 04 00:44:13 <mranostay> thurgood: i think ka6sox is really secretly getting in the spam game and doesn't want to admit it
Jun 04 00:44:53 <thurgood> could be... could be
Jun 04 00:46:31 <thurgood> meh this package really does not want to build :/
Jun 04 00:47:10 <thurgood> ...cmake gone wrong
Jun 04 00:48:16 <thurgood> it resists all attempts to cross compile, but requires too much memory for on board compiling
Jun 04 00:48:45 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> swap it
Jun 04 00:49:19 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> then come back in a week when it's done compiling.
Jun 04 00:49:29 <thurgood> lol
Jun 04 00:49:51 <thurgood> I think I'm going to cheat and use an xM :S
Jun 04 00:51:07 <thurgood> wish I could get it to cross compile... but when I correct the paths they get regenerated by cmake
Jun 04 00:52:06 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> symlink them?
Jun 04 00:52:32 <georgem_home> ptxdist FTW
Jun 04 00:53:31 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you'd never think it was 2013 with the way we still install software.
Jun 04 00:54:41 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i bet if you went back in time and told the make guys that their software would remain basically unchanged and used as THE tool for decades to come, they would laugh at you.
Jun 04 00:54:45 <mru> it's only getting worse
Jun 04 00:55:02 <mru> make rocks
Jun 04 00:55:20 <mru> it's all the rest that's crap
Jun 04 00:55:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i wouldn't say make rocks
Jun 04 00:55:37 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> especially since it can't even handle recursive makes.
Jun 04 00:55:53 <mru> recursive make is evil
Jun 04 00:56:12 <mru> and what do you mean can't handle?
Jun 04 00:56:23 <mru> idiots do it all the time
Jun 04 00:56:25 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> you calling it evil means you probably know why
Jun 04 00:56:32 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it flat doesn't work.
Jun 04 00:56:41 <mru> it works
Jun 04 00:56:50 <mru> just not optimally
Jun 04 00:56:54 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> sure, if you always do make clean
Jun 04 00:57:14 <mru> it's a suboptimal description of the problem
Jun 04 00:57:42 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> code in different directories is suboptimal?
Jun 04 00:57:47 <mru> no
Jun 04 00:58:31 <mru> fuck it, I'm too tired for this argument
Jun 04 00:58:44 <thurgood> lol
Jun 04 00:58:53 <mru> tired of it too
Jun 04 01:15:43 <bbbusb> hello
Jun 04 01:16:14 <bbbusb> is posible activate the second usb port of beaglebone black for have 2 usb host port?
Jun 04 01:17:17 <muhoo> where in the kernel is the eeprom read and the pins configured? or is that done in userspace?
Jun 04 01:18:08 <muhoo> obviously after i2c is loaded, but i'm trying to figure out where, exactly
Jun 04 01:26:03 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> is pin configuration loaded from eeprom anymore with 3.8?
Jun 04 01:27:36 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, heya whats up. Have you read rthe googledoc beagelbone and the 3.8 kernel yet ?
Jun 04 01:28:01 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, ---> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?hl=en&forcehl=1#
Jun 04 01:28:29 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> no, been out sick for like two weeks.
Jun 04 01:28:48 <m_billybob> ok wel that should answer many of your questions
Jun 04 01:28:50 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> omfg examples.
Jun 04 01:28:57 <m_billybob> if i knew though id answer you directly . . .
Jun 04 01:29:33 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> hrmm, jumping down to cape manager section, I see "The only information that the cape manager uses to work are the part-number and the revision."
Jun 04 01:30:30 <m_billybob> read the faq section theres a pretty good explanation of files yo ucan fook with in the KERNEL/firmware/capes directory
Jun 04 01:30:32 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> and scanning the whole doc for "eeprom", I see something like "for retrieval of the part numbers & revision" after each
Jun 04 01:30:37 <m_billybob> thats wht im working on now myself
Jun 04 01:30:58 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> dang, this is a nice doc.
Jun 04 01:31:04 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> infinitely better than the previous documentation.
Jun 04 01:31:32 <m_billybob> still needs work imho but im not complaining
Jun 04 01:33:41 <m_billybob> I think all 3 of the examples described at the bottom, dont even exist on my install
Jun 04 01:33:54 <m_billybob> but it gives me a decent rough idea of what to do
Jun 04 01:34:22 <muhoo> that document is fantastic, thank you!
Jun 04 01:34:35 <muhoo> i was wondering wtf was up with device trees. makes sense now.
Jun 04 01:34:48 <m_billybob> thank ka6sox and the other person ( whom i dont know who it is )
Jun 04 01:35:10 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> nice to see you can do runtime changes too
Jun 04 01:35:19 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> assuming you know ahead of time.
Jun 04 01:35:35 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, yeah well dont do what i did a few hours ago
Jun 04 01:35:36 <muhoo> the fun will be porting this to android :-/
Jun 04 01:36:05 <muhoo> rowboat is still 3.2
Jun 04 01:37:32 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2 I did a --> echo -5 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots
Jun 04 01:37:36 <mranostay> HELLO1
Jun 04 01:37:50 <m_billybob> (hdmi virtual cape )
Jun 04 01:38:12 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> did the hdmi voltages go to -5x?
Jun 04 01:38:15 <ka6sox> Panto did the bulk of this...we just tried to make it more readable :)
Jun 04 01:38:29 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ka6sox: you rock man. seriously.
Jun 04 01:38:30 <m_billybob> gave me a nice and friendly "hey you dumbass dont do that" just before it dumped me to normal user
Jun 04 01:39:03 <mranostay> PRU_EVTOUT_2: ka6sox is too old too rock...
Jun 04 01:39:19 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ka6sox: you classical jazz man.
Jun 04 01:39:20 <ka6sox> mranostay, I'm a child of the 60's man...
Jun 04 01:39:20 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> better?
Jun 04 01:39:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> oh! nice! you groove!
Jun 04 01:39:39 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> wait, i thought old guys couldn't learn new things.
Jun 04 01:39:39 <muhoo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD6d8vAL9EY
Jun 04 01:39:42 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> my world view! AHH!
Jun 04 01:39:48 <m_billybob> ka6sox, was about to sway you dont look any younger than me . . . judging by google pic
Jun 04 01:40:01 <m_billybob> mranostay, and i bet i stil lrock harder than you :P
Jun 04 01:40:02 <ka6sox> I'm probably not
Jun 04 01:40:22 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> ka6sox: is there a doc that describes how to parse the overlays? like, what each field means?
Jun 04 01:41:04 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> is nickserv real slow to deliver registration stuffs?
Jun 04 01:41:06 <m_billybob> ka6sox, err lol meant you dont look any / much older than me
Jun 04 01:41:22 * m_billybob is mid 40's
Jun 04 01:42:01 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: is it harder to learn or anything?
Jun 04 01:42:24 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i just hit 30, but it seems much easier to learn now than when i was younger.
Jun 04 01:42:41 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> just because i can cheat and relate it to all of the existing concepts i know
Jun 04 01:43:29 <muhoo> PRU_EVTOUT_2: try learning something totally outside of what you know. like, learn lisp
Jun 04 01:43:35 <muhoo> it's harder the older you get.
Jun 04 01:43:55 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2 yes as a matter of a fact, but you will see.
Jun 04 01:44:23 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, learn as much as you can now . . . and hope you retain it lol
Jun 04 01:44:45 <m_billybob> sometimes i feel like a glass of waters thats constantly being overfilled
Jun 04 01:44:48 <mranostay> m_billybob: i'm younger than everyone here :P
Jun 04 01:44:57 * m_billybob can tell
Jun 04 01:45:00 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> muhoo: lisp looks like brainfsck. :-|
Jun 04 01:45:27 <m_billybob> mranostay, thats not a bad thign btw
Jun 04 01:45:33 <m_billybob> that i can tell i mean
Jun 04 01:45:45 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> he's saying you cry like a baby.
Jun 04 01:46:00 <m_billybob> no, hes more playful. to put it one way
Jun 04 01:46:28 <m_billybob> always joking never serious. at least in here.
Jun 04 01:46:42 <m_billybob> anyhow.
Jun 04 01:47:07 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2 i did finally get a toolchain compiling on windows cross compiler that is
Jun 04 01:47:14 <m_billybob> was super easy matter of fact.
Jun 04 01:47:46 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> oh nice!
Jun 04 01:48:04 <m_billybob> Linaro has win32 binaries so yeah . . . pretty simple
Jun 04 01:48:15 <georgem_home> heh
Jun 04 01:49:09 <mranostay> beer!
Jun 04 01:49:10 <m_billybob> still not quite sure of the compiler options etc. i have a few standard options i used from other toolchains ive used
Jun 04 01:50:15 <m_billybob> -c -g -Os -Wall -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections etc etc
Jun 04 01:50:40 <georgem_home> ROFLMAO. What have I done....
Jun 04 01:51:11 <m_billybob> what have you done ?
Jun 04 01:53:13 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> i think he's still on the floor.
Jun 04 01:53:35 <georgem_home> In no way an indorsement of raspberry pi. From my back yard https://plus.google.com/photos/100682328592273955298/albums/5885439647182672977/5885439652718401986?authkey=CKaS--n2lKWG2AE
Jun 04 01:54:33 <prpplague> georgem_home: hehe
Jun 04 01:54:56 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> georgem_home: mmm, you should eat thebrown ones.
Jun 04 01:54:57 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> those are tastiest.
Jun 04 01:58:59 <m_billybob> nikon d5100 eh
Jun 04 01:59:03 * m_billybob had a D40
Jun 04 01:59:04 <georgem_home> yes
Jun 04 01:59:08 <m_billybob> has*
Jun 04 01:59:09 <georgem_home> I still have one :)
Jun 04 01:59:17 <georgem_home> My second favorite camera
Jun 04 01:59:32 <m_billybob> i hardly use it any more
Jun 04 01:59:52 <georgem_home> Thats a shame :(
Jun 04 02:00:11 <m_billybob> for the first 6 months though . . .lets just say i have around 120gigs worth of raw images lol
Jun 04 02:00:20 <georgem_home> ha
Jun 04 02:01:03 <m_billybob> one of my favorite pass times is taking pictures of lightning strikes. I have quite a few
Jun 04 02:01:12 <georgem_home> NO SHIT?
Jun 04 02:01:17 <m_billybob> no shit.
Jun 04 02:01:29 <m_billybob> one second
Jun 04 02:01:53 <m_billybob> i have some on google pics, but these were takign with my sony DSC P200
Jun 04 02:01:59 <m_billybob> taken*
Jun 04 02:02:02 <georgem_home> http://toloquta.deviantart.com/art/4-bolts-127027043
Jun 04 02:02:18 <georgem_home> http://toloquta.deviantart.com/art/Lightning-Bolts-88513500
Jun 04 02:02:26 <georgem_home> http://toloquta.deviantart.com/art/Lightning-87620710?q=sort%3Atime%20gallery%3Atoloquta&qo=118
Jun 04 02:02:54 <georgem_home> All of those were with my D40
Jun 04 02:06:05 <m_billybob> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-xgSleBirhCc/TWpAl75YNJI/AAAAAAAAABo/64dtNULFiCM/s800/Dsc01708.jpg
Jun 04 02:06:10 <m_billybob> thats one of my favorites
Jun 04 02:06:15 <m_billybob> but not the best i have
Jun 04 02:06:49 <m_billybob> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZZZ4gdpBnEQ/TWpBQGYbQKI/AAAAAAAAABw/nCfGU7RIwfU/s320/Dsc02079.jpg
Jun 04 02:06:57 <m_billybob> thats intentionaly small
Jun 04 02:07:13 <m_billybob> really good picture full sized, that strike started a fairly large fire
Jun 04 02:07:26 <georgem_home> Nice
Jun 04 02:07:30 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> one of my goals in life is to artificially trigger a lightning strike.
Jun 04 02:07:47 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> it assumes they don't make model rockets illegal.
Jun 04 02:08:04 <georgem_home> Just get a model rocket with a wire attached to ground and shoot into a thunderstorm
Jun 04 02:08:15 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> yeap! that's what you do.
Jun 04 02:08:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> the only difficulty is guessing when to do it.
Jun 04 02:08:30 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> but only need an e-field meter for that
Jun 04 02:09:27 <georgem_home> A few nights ago we were getting lightning strikes every couple of seconds. My wife said it looked like a strobe light. I think that was the storm that kills all of those people in Oklahoma.
Jun 04 02:09:41 <m_billybob> 10 second tim lapse shot -> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uS9d_6KrvOY/TWpBRX4zRmI/AAAAAAAAAB0/7TLvtnD-USw/s640/Dsc02250.jpg
Jun 04 02:10:40 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> would love to do that, BAM, right in some field into some sand.
Jun 04 02:10:42 <m_billybob> thats all i have on the web
Jun 04 02:11:04 <m_billybob> georgem_home, where is that ? NM maybe ? I have shots from nevada and arizona
Jun 04 02:11:27 <georgem_home> Kansas
Jun 04 02:11:39 <m_billybob> georgem_home, and yes we get sucessive strikes here during the summer every year too
Jun 04 02:12:07 <m_billybob> have several taken during daylight as well
Jun 04 02:12:35 <m_billybob> georgem_home, but yeah lol digital cameras make takign lightning shots a breeze ;)
Jun 04 02:12:56 <georgem_home> taking shots in day light is impossible
Jun 04 02:13:07 <m_billybob> *hold shutter button down* aim *click click click*
Jun 04 02:13:15 <m_billybob> i have some :)
Jun 04 02:14:00 <m_billybob> full strikes too going from hmm, from ground to say 1-2 o'clock
Jun 04 02:15:14 <m_billybob> georgem_home, wel maybe more correctly stated during daylight hours. there were clouds of course. but taken in the afternoon
Jun 04 02:16:46 <m_billybob> my favorite lense -> http://www.adorama.com/NK5018AFDU.html?gclid=CNW20NeqybcCFUpyQgoddn0Ahw
Jun 04 02:18:00 <georgem_home> I've found that taking lightning shots in daylight is really hard exposure time needs to be too short unless you want pure white.
Jun 04 02:19:37 * mranostay hurls a empty beer bottle in the channel
Jun 04 02:20:29 * risc gets hit by an empty beer bottle and falls over dead
Jun 04 02:20:40 <mranostay> cisc forever!
Jun 04 02:20:48 <m_billybob> risc.
Jun 04 02:20:48 <kaektech> took the dog for a walk, found a boom truck. ask the dudes why i had no juice.
Jun 04 02:21:15 <kaektech> "Google's contractor fscked up."
Jun 04 02:21:28 <kaektech> "Do no evil" heh.
Jun 04 02:21:55 <m_billybob> georgem_home, its not impossible though, 3fps with a good sd card is fairly decent for an entry level DSLR
Jun 04 02:22:54 <m_billybob> georgem_home, during monsoon season here we get days and days of rapid sucessive strikes in the same area. take enough pictures you' catch a few
Jun 04 02:23:23 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> m_billybob: should make some rf shutter trigger.
Jun 04 02:23:46 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, i have thought about it, but typically that would be too slow
Jun 04 02:23:46 <georgem_home> I've been wanting to do a shutter trigger
Jun 04 02:23:50 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> could tap into the agc of an am radio tuned to some empty space.
Jun 04 02:24:26 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> why too slow? set the ev and autofocus to fixed value, should be faster than your finger
Jun 04 02:24:42 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2 not the way I shoot lightning strikes
Jun 04 02:24:53 <m_billybob> i aim and hold the shutter button down
Jun 04 02:24:56 <georgem_home> taking lightning pictures you just randomly click the shutter
Jun 04 02:24:58 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> err crap, guess you wouldn't use agc. probably just speaker.
Jun 04 02:25:06 <georgem_home> heh
Jun 04 02:25:22 <brendan_> So I tried to install the wifi-drivers for the RTL8192, and part of the Adafruit instructs have you run an update, but one package is taking forever, is this normal?
Jun 04 02:25:48 <m_billybob> georgem_home, but there is that one nikon app for controlling the D40 and other cameras that were made aroudn that time. could just do interval shots too
Jun 04 02:26:03 <m_billybob> use a laptop as a controller
Jun 04 02:26:09 <m_billybob> ive never done it though personally
Jun 04 02:26:14 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> canon used to have awesome support for camera control.
Jun 04 02:26:30 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> stopped supporting most of the consumer/prosumer models though.
Jun 04 02:26:52 <m_billybob> brendan_ dont know if its normal but let it do its thing
Jun 04 02:27:43 <m_billybob> PRU_EVTOUT_2, well there are some tools or used to be tools for Nikon CC too in linux
Jun 04 02:28:06 <m_billybob> apps inpeticular i was talkignabout thou were windows apps
Jun 04 02:28:20 <m_billybob> not too bad either but they were feature rich
Jun 04 02:28:32 <m_billybob> were not feature rich*
Jun 04 02:29:10 <m_billybob> just from memory pretty much timed shots maybe minor aperature adjustments etc too
Jun 04 02:30:29 <yessirdoctor> ya, so I can not get my BBB to display anything after attempting an update to the latest image. Tried re-imaging it from a micro SD card a ton of times but no luck .... any ideas whats wrong ?
Jun 04 02:30:32 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> the canon stuff was pretty complete. could control basically evenything, even get a live feed.
Jun 04 02:30:45 <m_billybob> heh they want ~$130 usd for nikon camera control pro now days it seems
Jun 04 02:31:15 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor symtoms ?
Jun 04 02:31:23 <m_billybob> symptoms*
Jun 04 02:31:34 <yessirdoctor> it has 3 blue lights that stay on all the time
Jun 04 02:31:48 <yessirdoctor> but it will not display anything on the HDMI display
Jun 04 02:31:48 <m_billybob> at reboot, or when its done flashing ?
Jun 04 02:31:56 <yessirdoctor> when it is done
Jun 04 02:32:07 <m_billybob> you're supposed to remove the sd card and reboot
Jun 04 02:32:13 <yessirdoctor> I did =/
Jun 04 02:32:23 <mranostay> =|
Jun 04 02:32:25 <mranostay> =\
Jun 04 02:32:30 <mranostay> =-
Jun 04 02:32:42 <m_billybob> seems maybe the kernel overwrite thign hasnt been fixed maybe
Jun 04 02:32:57 <mranostay> kernel overwrite thing?
Jun 04 02:33:06 <yessirdoctor> like for example right now it is sitting on my desk plugged via USB into my pc but it will not show up as a drive and will not display anything over HDMI
Jun 04 02:33:25 <yessirdoctor> this is after I attempted re-imaging it 3 times
Jun 04 02:33:36 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor, best i can say is to search the beagleboard google groups. Gerald has replied to many similar posts and I dont recall the exact details
Jun 04 02:34:02 <m_billybob> hes given links to downloads for the proper imager to use
Jun 04 02:34:43 <PRU_EVTOUT_2> (and this is why my BBB is still in its box)
Jun 04 02:34:48 <m_billybob> mranostay, im thinking of opkg --force-overwrite kernel <--- whcih doesnt apply in this case
Jun 04 02:34:48 <yessirdoctor> ya I have been trying to follow all they suggest on the google group but my problem doesnt seem to be mentioned, most people are able to flash their board successfully
Jun 04 02:35:20 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor you're followign instructions from a windows system ?
Jun 04 02:35:32 <yessirdoctor> when I got the board it functioned fine with the image that was on it but when I made the first attempt at updating it thats when it went bad
Jun 04 02:35:49 <yessirdoctor> I have been doing the imaging from a ubuntu 10.04 machine
Jun 04 02:36:12 <mranostay> m_billybob: https://plus.google.com/118008444439748692869/posts/VwYNVAHrQNh
Jun 04 02:36:55 <m_billybob> looks liek a link for you yessirdoctor
Jun 04 02:37:04 <m_billybob> what mranostay just linked
Jun 04 02:37:22 <yessirdoctor> I cant get a root terminal =(
Jun 04 02:37:30 <yessirdoctor> I didnt buy a serial adapter
Jun 04 02:38:11 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor, you could always use a differernt distro install method. are you dead set on angstrom ?
Jun 04 02:38:23 <mastiff> Does it take a lot of resources to run vmware player?  Apparently that is required for my logic analyzer to run under linux.
Jun 04 02:38:50 <yessirdoctor> not really, at this point I just want it to function again
Jun 04 02:39:00 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor, not trying ot talk you out of angstrom but there are install methods for ubuntu and debian both, whcih can be done from a PC
Jun 04 02:39:37 <m_billybob> possibly for angstrom too, but if those instructions exist i wouldnt know where to find them
Jun 04 02:39:38 <yessirdoctor> I am fairly comfortable with debian, but I didnt know how well it would run on the chip since it was not the "official" OS
Jun 04 02:40:15 <mastiff> Wondering if it's worth trying to setup my usb scope to run on the BBB.....
Jun 04 02:40:33 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor i run debian on my bbb and it runs fine, the problem would be for custom stuff since debian/ubuntu is not the production distro you may have to set some stuff up yourself
Jun 04 02:41:07 <yessirdoctor> hmm, well maybe if I can at least get the board to boot up again I can try a different version of armstrong
Jun 04 02:41:23 <yessirdoctor> at this point I just want something that will prove I havent bricked it somehow
Jun 04 02:41:31 <m_billybob> one second
Jun 04 02:41:39 <m_billybob> you ok with building from source ?
Jun 04 02:41:45 <m_billybob> uboot and kernel
Jun 04 02:41:48 <yessirdoctor> eehhhh
Jun 04 02:41:50 <m_billybob> well its all pretty simple
Jun 04 02:41:58 <m_billybob> scripts do all the work
Jun 04 02:42:00 <yessirdoctor> you talking to me >
Jun 04 02:42:05 <m_billybob> yes.
Jun 04 02:42:15 <kelvinji> i set my sysboot[4:0]=11000b   , but can't boot from MMC0  ,why?
Jun 04 02:42:26 <yessirdoctor> I cant get to it to do any compiling though
Jun 04 02:42:27 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor -> http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-Comments
Jun 04 02:42:30 <m_billybob> thats from source
Jun 04 02:42:39 <m_billybob> thats cross compilign instructions
Jun 04 02:42:45 <m_billybob> you'd cross compile on your pc
Jun 04 02:42:55 <kelvinji> the boot sequence should be : spi0 mmc0
Jun 04 02:43:07 <kelvinji> but it can not boot from mmc0
Jun 04 02:43:08 <m_billybob> mount the sd card from the PC create paritions etc etc
Jun 04 02:43:29 <kelvinji> but my sd card is okay
Jun 04 02:43:44 <kelvinji> I can boot BB from the sd card
Jun 04 02:44:03 <kelvinji> different sysboot setting on another board
Jun 04 02:44:10 <kelvinji> but test failed
Jun 04 02:44:26 <yessirdoctor> eek, I guess I could try that... looks like I might try debian and if that does not work then maybe I will try the cross compiling method
Jun 04 02:44:55 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor that is the cross compile method RCN also has a premade image somewhere, but im not sure exactly where
Jun 04 02:45:32 <yessirdoctor> hmm, ok I will give some of these suggestions a shot.... thanks for the tips guys  =O )
Jun 04 02:45:53 <m_billybob> pretty much you set the sd card up on your PC,  compile uboot and the kernel from source, then partition / format the sd card proerly, then finally copy over the rootFS and kernel image etc
Jun 04 02:46:39 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor, if you've been using linux a while it should not be too hard at all will just take a little while is all
Jun 04 02:46:47 <yessirdoctor> the copy happens automatically durring the boot process though right ?
Jun 04 02:47:06 <georgem_home> tar -xzf root.tar.gz
Jun 04 02:47:18 <m_billybob> no that sets up the sd card to be booted from, then further instructions allow you or show you how to copy over to emmc
Jun 04 02:47:52 <yessirdoctor> keep in mind I have zero access to any SSH or serial terminal
Jun 04 02:47:59 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor, so you could either a ) boot from sd if you want, or b) followingthe instructions to copy the install over to emmc
Jun 04 02:48:26 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor, you're running ubuntu on your desktop ?
Jun 04 02:48:32 <yessirdoctor> yes
Jun 04 02:48:43 <georgem_home> apt-get install minicom
Jun 04 02:48:51 <m_billybob> there is no need for ssh until you get your bbb up  and running
Jun 04 02:48:57 <georgem_home> mincom -D /dev/ttyUSB1
Jun 04 02:49:12 <m_billybob> or do what georgem_home is saying i guess
Jun 04 02:49:13 <georgem_home> minicom*
Jun 04 02:49:28 <m_billybob> i have no experience with that personally
Jun 04 02:49:30 <yessirdoctor> and that will act as a USB serial interface ?
Jun 04 02:50:44 <m_billybob> georgem_home, whom are you talkignto? lol
Jun 04 02:50:49 <georgem_home> beaglebone has a FDTI USB to serial converter built in.
Jun 04 02:51:02 <m_billybob> oh hes on the black
Jun 04 02:51:36 <m_billybob> bbb doesnt have the serial converter built in
Jun 04 02:52:11 <georgem_home> wtf, seriously?
Jun 04 02:52:23 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor, also Robert C Nelson on the groups recently posted a link to a premade image
Jun 04 02:52:35 <m_billybob> georgem_home thats how the bbb is half cost
Jun 04 02:52:39 <m_billybob> one of the reasons anyhow
Jun 04 02:52:48 <yessirdoctor> hmm does he mention any problems like I am having ?
Jun 04 02:52:59 <georgem_home> m_billybob: didn't realize that chip was that pricey
Jun 04 02:53:12 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor, many posts on the groups about similar problems to what you're having
Jun 04 02:53:34 <m_billybob> georgem_home, Gerald stripped out a lot of stuff to save on costs to get the bbb down in price
Jun 04 02:53:45 <m_billybob> thats just one thing
Jun 04 02:53:56 <m_billybob> but ftdi chips re kind of pricy
Jun 04 02:54:34 <m_billybob> some chips iirc are ~$8 modules aroudn $20 one off's
Jun 04 02:56:03 <m_billybob> yessirdoctor, anyhow the information is out there. Robert C Nelson has posted a few times to the groups about where to get premade images
Jun 04 02:56:20 <m_billybob> i think one of his setups even auto installs for you, but im not sure
Jun 04 02:57:08 <yessirdoctor> when you say in the "groups" are you talking about on the fourms ?
Jun 04 02:57:21 <m_billybob> the beagelboard user group
Jun 04 02:57:49 <m_billybob> from beagleboard.org, yes, i think they may have  a web forum interface to that group
Jun 04 02:58:03 <m_billybob> but its actuallyjust a google group
Jun 04 02:58:17 <mranostay> ph4r0ms
Jun 04 02:59:29 <yessirdoctor> oh I  see his posts now
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