**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 04 02:59:59 2013 Jun 04 03:01:04 BTW, about this minicom .... I see a ton of options in /dev/tty how does one know what device is the correct USB port to connect to ? Jun 04 03:01:30 you can either have one forced via the udev rules Jun 04 03:01:39 or you can look at what enumerated Jun 04 03:12:33 hey fellas, has anybody had any luck getting serial over usb working on the beaglebone black? Jun 04 03:13:10 Ive tried following the advice on http://www.eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black and http://hipstercircuits.com/serial-over-usb-on-beaglebone/ to no avail Jun 04 03:13:22 any advice is greatly appreciated :) Jun 04 03:13:58 sh1v: the second URL is about the BBW Jun 04 03:14:06 yeh, I thought they might be similar Jun 04 03:14:25 ah, it covers g_serial, that should apply Jun 04 03:15:01 eewiki doesn't cover serial over USB Jun 04 03:15:25 why do you want g_serial? it should do g_ether by default, which is more useful Jun 04 03:15:42 don't need the ethernet capabilities Jun 04 03:16:06 unless there are other features I'm unaware of Jun 04 03:17:41 I see it come up as "usbmodem" on my machine, but the device is unresponsive Jun 04 03:17:58 mranonostay I hear the new Samsung tablet is running Intel chipset Jun 04 03:18:11 sh1v: usbmodem sounds correct Jun 04 03:18:33 sh1v: did you bind a getty to it through inittab? Jun 04 03:19:20 I'll double check, I'm pretty sure I did Jun 04 03:19:26 mh, systemd probably doesn't use inittab, so the equivalent of it Jun 04 03:19:49 i think its /init/serial.conf in ubuntu land Jun 04 03:20:25 ubuntu? oh, you didn't say you're not running angstrom Jun 04 03:20:36 then everything might be quite different Jun 04 03:20:46 there it probably uses inittag Jun 04 03:20:51 inittab Jun 04 03:20:53 yeah, I think I got it worked out Jun 04 03:20:55 thanks bro :) Jun 04 03:44:47 For the first time in months, I have a clear night and the ISS is passing overhead. Jun 04 03:45:37 then go outside and look? Jun 04 03:45:42 where are you? Jun 04 03:46:22 I have about 10 minutes until the transit begins. Jun 04 03:46:29 Kansas City Jun 04 03:46:42 Scope is ready Jun 04 03:46:54 can you slew it that fast? Jun 04 03:47:33 talk to me after the pass Jun 04 03:48:25 i set my board sysboot[5:0]=111000b but can not boot from sdcard ? Jun 04 03:48:40 Does anyone encouter this issue ? Jun 04 03:48:57 My sdcard is fine and can boot from BB board. Jun 04 03:49:22 call it on 2M? Jun 04 03:49:52 whats the current callsign? Jun 04 03:50:01 r3ISS? Jun 04 03:52:52 has anybody had any luck getting the rtl8192 wifi drivers working on the 3.8 kernel Jun 04 04:00:10 modprobe rtl8192cu isn't giving me any love unfortunately Jun 04 04:03:34 Never ceases to amaze me how cool it is that there is a big ass space station whizzing around the planet. Jun 04 04:04:13 And no, ka6sox my scope can't really keep up. Jun 04 04:05:39 i was considering buying an audio cape...but then i saw prices and specs of some cheap usb soundcards :-| Jun 04 04:05:47 i keep forgetting this is a computer. Jun 04 04:06:29 kaektech: i'm still impressed that there's a robot truckin around on another planet. Jun 04 04:06:34 PRU_EVTOUT_2: heh pwm audio all things! Jun 04 04:06:37 a robot the size of a vw Jun 04 04:06:46 mranostay: i'll pru pwm it! :DDDD Jun 04 04:07:49 There's another transit at 5:45 local, and I'm gonna listen on the radios instead of go for the visual. Jun 04 04:08:05 last time i picked up the space station, it was on accident. Jun 04 04:08:41 thought i was listening to some regular pilot at first. Jun 04 04:09:06 err...some aircraft pilot. Jun 04 04:09:51 does anyone know of a good documentation tool Jun 04 04:10:05 PRU_EVTOUT_2: The curiosity is amazing. Jun 04 04:10:15 that will parse and document all of my source automatically. Jun 04 04:12:52 check to see if it's working on 3.8 kernel running on x86 Jun 04 04:14:06 I was trying to get some bluetooth stuff working on BBB and then discovered it's not even working on 3.8 kernel for x86 yet, Jun 04 04:14:23 ka6sox: this is the first 24 period where I've got 2 transits in forever. The scope was cool for a bit, but my hack-ass rig had trouble toward the end as it went northeast. It will be cloudy in the morning, but I should get some nice RX. Jun 04 04:15:58 I'm hoping to get visual weather obsercations from ISS on my sailboat via ham radio while cross atlantic on my sailboat. Jun 04 04:16:20 They're bored, nothing else to do right? Jun 04 04:18:41 mastiff: have you tried capturing NOAA images? The ISS guys are a bit busy and not easy to actually talk to. Jun 04 04:19:32 no not yet, but that's one of the reasons why I'm getting into software radio and got ham license Jun 04 04:20:53 yeah definitely not expecting to talk to ISS regularly, but should be a fun conversation if it happens : ) Jun 04 04:21:31 heh. i'm scheduled to take my technician test in 2 weeks. listened on teh rx for a long time. Jun 04 04:22:02 you can get your general same day without much trouble Jun 04 04:22:13 get the android app that has all the test questions Jun 04 04:22:24 the ARRL handbook is really great as well Jun 04 04:22:28 for reference Jun 04 04:22:36 don't try to read all that for the test Jun 04 04:25:13 I've got not worries about the test. I could probably school most of the local VEs on technical matters. But most of the local VEs are old retired dudes who show up when they feel like it. Jun 04 04:25:48 the technician exam has a bunch of semi-silly amatuer radio rules Jun 04 04:26:05 the general has more basic technical stuff Jun 04 04:26:43 expert has a lot of RF specific material I didn't learn in my engineering degrees Jun 04 04:28:08 Well trolls and hobbits, I need to nap, and point antennas before sunrise, so goodnight. Jun 04 04:29:35 mastiff: what kind of rf specific stuff is in the general test? Jun 04 04:30:04 more basic rf Jun 04 04:30:10 expert has complicated rf Jun 04 04:30:43 general is more like wavelength to frequency conversion, simple antenna, and modulation concepts Jun 04 04:32:35 understanding of db scale, SNR and SWR, etc Jun 04 04:33:10 ARRL handbook is a great document, but use the android app for studying the test questions Jun 04 04:34:32 err, i meant expert. Jun 04 04:34:57 stuff like baluns and impedance matching network and the like? Jun 04 04:36:15 Yeah exactly, I could have crammed for the expert with studing the android app questions, but I didn't because I wanna actually go through all the material in the ARRL handbook for the expert exam. Jun 04 04:36:57 also expert doesn't get you much as far as frequency access over general, mostly bragging rights or whatever Jun 04 04:40:28 so is there spectrum to operate data links, with a ham license? Jun 04 04:41:49 you mean packet radio? or something a little faster than 9600 baud.. Jun 04 04:42:00 i don't know what i mean. Jun 04 04:42:08 the short answer is "yes" Jun 04 04:42:14 looking for a good link for you Jun 04 04:42:35 http://www.tapr.org/packetradio.html Jun 04 04:42:58 http://www.choisser.com/packet/ Jun 04 04:43:06 it's pretty slow, have to warn you Jun 04 04:43:23 there are various ways depending on distance and bandwidth you want Jun 04 04:43:35 longer distance equals slower bandwidth Jun 04 04:43:41 ka6sox, im assuming that group mail was . . .um dubious ? Jun 04 04:44:02 no way im following a link that loooks like that from anyone lol Jun 04 04:44:40 you can send DX many thousands of miles say in the 1-50mHz band Jun 04 04:44:56 but you're looking at 2400 baud hehe Jun 04 04:45:12 interesting Jun 04 04:45:25 still, services like winmail and sailmail are pretyy damn kickass for what they are Jun 04 04:45:38 I'll settle for CW Jun 04 04:46:40 Anyone here running debian who is using dtc for the bbb ? Jun 04 04:47:14 on host desktop =) Jun 04 04:47:30 still running angstrom on BBB Jun 04 04:47:57 must be too early for Jihad Jun 04 04:48:09 I need information on how to setup device-tree-compiler Jun 04 04:48:17 i've got gpio and AIN working , going to do i2c and uart next Jun 04 04:48:23 DT still is scary Jun 04 04:48:27 from what im reading apparently i need to patch it Jun 04 04:48:45 but nothing said as to how Jun 04 04:48:55 or where to get the sources, etc, etc Jun 04 04:49:12 i think so, but the info is so spread out and semi-contradictory\ Jun 04 04:49:35 well from what ive seen so far, you can not contradict what doesnt exist Jun 04 04:50:34 I could always compile on the bbb its self but . . .yeah whats the point of having a cross dev system if you cant use it Jun 04 04:50:50 just compile on the BBB Jun 04 04:50:58 not going to do that Jun 04 04:50:59 as long as your code isn't huge Jun 04 04:51:11 I've compiled gnu radio and lynx on the BBB Jun 04 04:51:21 takes a few hours +) Jun 04 04:51:27 well, you're a glutton for punishment ;) Jun 04 04:51:53 it's not an issue if you have more toys than a single BBB to work on Jun 04 04:51:54 push comes to shove i may but yeah not right now Jun 04 04:52:24 point is, to setup a cross dev system with everything you need to get the job done, right. Jun 04 04:52:32 type ./configure before you go brush your teeth, lol, and then type make before you go to sleep Jun 04 04:52:41 type make install when you wake up Jun 04 04:52:42 done Jun 04 04:53:23 it wouldnt take that long to compile a device tree overlay i dont think Jun 04 04:53:30 still not the point Jun 04 04:54:49 that's small, would barely notice the difference. Jun 04 04:55:03 mastiff one line: ./configure && make Jun 04 04:55:26 only makes if configure succeeds. Jun 04 04:55:33 gimme my prize! Jun 04 04:59:28 I hear ya Bbob, I want both my hands held on the DT stuff. More expereinced people need need to sort that out. Jun 04 05:00:21 mastiff: it isn't that hate Jun 04 05:00:23 *hard Jun 04 05:00:38 it is hate Jun 04 05:00:41 lots of hate Jun 04 05:00:46 the nice thing though about beablebone is if you run into a road block, there's plenty of other stuff to try with it Jun 04 05:01:10 mranostay: what does DT do? Jun 04 05:04:01 how is it determiend what is put into the DT Jun 04 05:04:32 The Device Tree is a data structure for describing hardware. Rather than hard coding every detail of a device into an operating system, many aspect of the hardware can be described in a data structure that is passed to the operating system at boot time. The device tree is used both by Open Firmware, and in the standalone Flattened Device Tree (FDT) form. Jun 04 05:04:33 it sets up the usage for each of the pins Jun 04 05:05:23 There are some good docs on DT, but for noobs, either to embedded or linux, or both, confusing. Jun 04 05:06:39 Fundamental issue is the ARM chip has far more possible IO than BGA contacts, so they have to be multiplexed and selected for which functionality. Jun 04 05:07:11 Then there are more BGA contacts on the chip than pins on the BBB. Jun 04 05:07:20 yes Jun 04 05:07:25 so its muxed Jun 04 05:07:35 pretty standard behavior for microproecessors in general Jun 04 05:07:38 So you have to have a way to set up all the pins to operate how you want them to. Jun 04 05:07:40 Yup Jun 04 05:08:03 so, instead of using the omap_mux thing Jun 04 05:08:11 you use DT instead? Jun 04 05:08:30 too many processors requireing specific kernel mods, so change to DT ?? Jun 04 05:09:12 ahh so move it out of the kernel Jun 04 05:09:15 this doc that's been posted here repeatedly is great overview https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?hl=en&forcehl=1#heading=h.mfjmczsbv38r Jun 04 05:10:06 but it's complicated enough that it's not trivial to take a BBB out of the box and follow tutorials that used the pre DT methods Jun 04 05:10:58 great doc Jun 04 05:10:59 thanks Jun 04 05:11:24 np, I assumed you had seen it since you're on here alot Jun 04 05:12:09 i think the author is in Spain or another european time zone Jun 04 05:12:32 no had'nt Jun 04 05:12:35 but tom is Jun 04 05:13:19 oh I found an interesting FPGA related doc.. Jun 04 05:14:46 just an intro,http://www.linkinstruments.com/FPGA%20debugging%20using%20the%20MSO-19.zip Jun 04 05:15:18 doc on debugging fpga with usb oscilloscope Jun 04 05:15:43 What gets me is that most of the stuff that goes into a DT file is in the cape's eeprom already :/ Jun 04 05:16:17 partnumber, version, pins, which mux, options, etc Jun 04 05:21:14 risc: cisc! Jun 04 05:21:31 Shadyman: I think that's the purpose of the DT, to setup the cape, and the BBB reads the info on the eeprom to do so Jun 04 05:21:46 so, the thing boots Jun 04 05:21:57 some process reads cape EEPROMS Jun 04 05:22:03 :) Jun 04 05:22:07 converts thats info Jun 04 05:22:17 DT overlays + capemgr does that Jun 04 05:22:20 into somethign useful for a DT Jun 04 05:22:24 DT itself is totally different Jun 04 05:22:32 but SSDT is the future Jun 04 05:22:33 ;p Jun 04 05:22:34 a DT is just a set of information Jun 04 05:22:38 ? Jun 04 05:22:49 something needs to do somethign with it Jun 04 05:22:52 ? Jun 04 05:23:10 mranostay: So you still have to make an overlay for the DT, and then put a near-identical version of that data on the EEPROM? :/ Jun 04 05:23:30 supposedly the TI windows utility for pinmux works ok, but I haven't tried it yet Jun 04 05:24:59 who made linus the boss of boardfiles Jun 04 05:25:01 gah Jun 04 05:25:11 why has'nt linux been forked Jun 04 05:25:17 Shadyman: ID just in the eeprom Jun 04 05:25:22 surely in this world of so many trolls Jun 04 05:25:33 * mranostay is an Intel troll in here :P Jun 04 05:25:34 someone woud have forked it Jun 04 05:26:00 mranostay I asked you about the samsung tablet with intel atom Jun 04 05:26:26 would be nice if capemgr could convert the eeprom stuff into a devicetree file for simple capes :/ Jun 04 05:26:30 assuming it doesn't already Jun 04 05:26:39 mastiff: where? Jun 04 05:26:51 do you know if it can run the android apps that have native arm code? Jun 04 05:27:04 hehehe you are kidding right? Jun 04 05:27:14 it is an x86 processor Jun 04 05:27:21 arm emulator? Jun 04 05:27:28 .... Jun 04 05:27:37 i highly doubt we'd do that Jun 04 05:27:42 wondering your thoughts on this article Jun 04 05:27:43 http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=221368 Jun 04 05:27:43 mastiff is it bed time already ? :P Jun 04 05:28:07 no really what's up with this Jun 04 05:28:25 native arm code on an x86 ? Jun 04 05:28:33 ?? Jun 04 05:28:33 think about thatfor a minute. Jun 04 05:28:44 QEMU Jun 04 05:28:44 two completely different architectures. Jun 04 05:28:46 ok correct me if i'm wrong but Android apps themselves are platform agonistic Jun 04 05:28:56 the are java Jun 04 05:28:57 yes because they are java Jun 04 05:28:58 but the JNI stuff of course isn't Jun 04 05:29:03 but some have native arm code Jun 04 05:29:08 ok, we get this Jun 04 05:29:12 mranostay, yes, but there is also native C code Jun 04 05:29:13 DT is'nt that scary Jun 04 05:29:13 even though they aren't neccessarily supposed to Jun 04 05:29:35 just read that article and let me know what you think Jun 04 05:29:38 m_billybob: won't run without being compile for x86 Jun 04 05:29:44 * m_billybob nods Jun 04 05:30:15 mastiff, anyhow if itsw java it will run on anythign but native apps wont Jun 04 05:30:17 well supposedly there are already android phones with intel atom chip in the wild... Jun 04 05:30:46 no, there is native arm binaries in some android .apks apparently Jun 04 05:31:03 i don't understand it completely, that's why I'm asking opinions...... Jun 04 05:31:10 shouldn't be any native binaries in an apk Jun 04 05:31:13 respond to the article not to me... Jun 04 05:31:41 mastiff, think of native code as lowlevel code. a lot of the time its used for drivers etc, but sometime also you may need sometign thats fast, like graphics stuff etc Jun 04 05:31:44 although i can say the multiple cores allow for some fun :) Jun 04 05:32:17 author is saying that apps that use native code won't run on the new samsung tablet that uses intel atom Jun 04 05:32:17 mastiff: take note i just started like 3 weeks ago :) Jun 04 05:32:28 define native code Jun 04 05:32:30 mastiff, if you want to learn more read the developer doc stuff for android Jun 04 05:32:31 I'm a week or two behind ya Jun 04 05:32:42 its been months since ive read it so for the best information best to read it yourself Jun 04 05:33:38 mastiff id have to see the context , and right now im in the middle of my own "deal" ;) Jun 04 05:33:39 mranostay was talking about intel.... Jun 04 05:34:28 mranostay native code definition == anything thats not java Jun 04 05:34:46 not realy but kind of Jun 04 05:35:10 its all layed our in the andriod developers docs Jun 04 05:35:15 layed out* Jun 04 05:35:21 doesn't seem like anyone wants to run android on BBB as opposed to linux Jun 04 05:35:44 er Jun 04 05:35:44 haven't seen much talk here about android Jun 04 05:35:48 it doesnt make sense to Jun 04 05:35:50 mastiff, what is the advantage? Jun 04 05:36:17 I haven't thought of any Jun 04 05:36:26 mastiff, now *maybe* if someone wanted a touch screen PLL type thing . . .maybe Jun 04 05:36:30 * m_billybob has Jun 04 05:36:45 there are some nice android apps..... Jun 04 05:37:02 and interfaces with builtin sensors Jun 04 05:37:22 the only ting thats an attraction for me personally, is the UI, that *could* ease development for certain things Jun 04 05:37:45 mostgly though i view android as more of a hinderance Jun 04 05:37:51 I'm more interested though in using linux on BBB for the primary computer on my boat, and using old phones running android for certain tasks communicating with bluetooth or wifi Jun 04 05:38:19 but BBB is cheap enough that old phones are less attractive Jun 04 05:39:00 the thing is this. you can use your phone as an interface for the bbb Jun 04 05:39:24 it's just hard to plug in a sensor or motor or controller into a phone Jun 04 05:39:37 phone are good for user interface though Jun 04 05:39:38 <_av500_> what m_billybob said Jun 04 05:39:45 and storage to some extent Jun 04 05:39:47 m_billybob: i forget can a apk pull in a JNI interface? Jun 04 05:40:01 mastiff seriously though take some time and read teh android developers docs. maybe you'll want to run it after reading ome, or maybe you'll figure out its not for you Jun 04 05:40:10 <_av500_> mranostay: shut up you are drunk Jun 04 05:40:21 _av500_: hehe Jun 04 05:40:39 mranostay, im not an android dever, i just did some research towards finding out if it was for me Jun 04 05:40:45 there are some good open source android apps like mxmariner that could be good to build off of. Jun 04 05:41:12 I'd like to add depth sounding data to the charts.... Jun 04 05:41:48 good ol sonar Jun 04 05:42:13 the android architecture i find pretty interresting. mainly the virtual machine stuff, where every app runs in its own VM. Jun 04 05:43:03 comes with a price in speed though right> Jun 04 05:43:04 > Jun 04 05:43:29 mastiff, typically on modern hardware scriptign languages run at or close to the speed of native C apps Jun 04 05:43:36 the price you typically pay is CPU overhead Jun 04 05:43:53 mastiff: java runs every app in a vm Jun 04 05:44:03 so they may run as fast or nearly as fast but will use more CPU Jun 04 05:44:14 dalvik is register based versus a stack vm Jun 04 05:44:32 so they don't run as fast Jun 04 05:44:42 the ycan Jun 04 05:44:48 should be faster Jun 04 05:45:01 google claims that java apps on android are as fast as native code in most cases Jun 04 05:45:20 most cases means ordinary consumer apps Jun 04 05:45:33 since you are waiting on user i/o in a lot of the cases i don't doubt it Jun 04 05:46:12 if you wanna see cutting edge speed, check out what the wall street colocated purpose built trading platforms are running Jun 04 05:46:44 FPGA ethernet adapters Jun 04 05:47:12 thats because there are no 100GbE ASICs yet ;) Jun 04 05:48:25 so i think I asked this question before you guys were around.... Jun 04 05:48:35 yeah i dont really know but i was watching either an Altera or Xilinx demo of an FPGA doign 100GbE Jun 04 05:49:01 m_billybob: hmmm in the works :) Jun 04 05:49:06 I have a USB oscilloscope MSO-19 with logic analyzer and I2c, SPI triggers Jun 04 05:49:29 would be fun to get it running on the BBB Jun 04 05:49:30 a wonderfull, dry, JIHAD morning everyone! Jun 04 05:49:57 they way vmware player is needed to run it on linux Jun 04 05:50:02 and a wonder swiss JIHAD to you KotH Jun 04 05:50:04 KotH: chocolate beer! Jun 04 05:50:08 wonderful* Jun 04 05:50:11 is that too bloated to run on BBB> Jun 04 05:50:14 ? Jun 04 05:50:17 choclate JIHAD ! Jun 04 05:50:22 JIHAD beer ! Jun 04 05:50:54 no beer in this JIHAD, we only have chocolate, tea, and bear :) Jun 04 05:51:10 mastiff: yeah so apps that have a JNI interface that only has ARM support will be hosed Jun 04 05:51:16 swiss bear JIHAD steak ? Jun 04 05:51:36 yeah im just being JIHAD silly today. ill stfu now. Jun 04 05:52:01 m_billybob: http://verkoren.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/right-to-bear-arms-in-russia.jpg Jun 04 05:52:11 mranostay: so those apps would just have to recompile for atom? Jun 04 05:52:47 and have two versions on app store that would presumably be autoselected for users? Jun 04 05:52:56 in mother russia bear have the right to bare you ;) Jun 04 05:53:14 cool pic :) Jun 04 05:53:19 mastiff: that happens now Jun 04 05:53:23 Putin for POTUS Jun 04 05:53:37 ok so it's a non issue... Jun 04 05:54:02 well it is till people compile their JNI interfaces for atom Jun 04 05:54:38 mranostay with somethign like monogame it may not even be that hard Jun 04 05:54:55 market ticker is a good blog. but Denninger has been on a blackberry/QNX fanboi rage lately Jun 04 05:54:58 monogame claims up to 95% portability between platforms Jun 04 05:55:25 well hmm that might bne software platforms though Jun 04 05:55:30 ( only ) Jun 04 05:57:09 ok so i used a script i foudn by RCN, and it apparently downloaded, and installed dtc but i have no idea where it is or how its working but it compiled a nice bone_pwm_P8_13-00A0.dtbo for me Jun 04 05:57:41 * m_billybob moves it to the bbb and sees if it loads Jun 04 05:58:35 are you trying to get PWM working? Jun 04 05:58:46 no im just testing to see if this works Jun 04 05:58:57 ill worry about the finer details later Jun 04 05:58:58 * mranostay gets back to x86'ing all things Jun 04 05:59:02 kind of wingin' it here. Jun 04 06:00:32 I've got AIN and GPIO working with c/c++ in eclipse, so either going to move onto I2C, or get see if I can get ubertooth working on BBB Jun 04 06:01:01 ive looked at the basic blinky stuff someone wrote a blog on it it all looks pretty simple Jun 04 06:01:10 using C and SYSFS Jun 04 06:01:17 simple unless it doesn't work hehe Jun 04 06:01:27 ive little doubt it'll work Jun 04 06:01:35 ive little doubt it wont work* Jun 04 06:01:38 double negative ;0 Jun 04 06:02:16 it's all easy once you understand it Jun 04 06:04:07 well it worked Jun 04 06:04:42 root@arm:/home/william# cat /sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots Jun 04 06:04:42 ... Jun 04 06:04:45 7: ff:P-O-L Override Board Name,00A0,Override Manuf,bone_pwm_P8_13 Jun 04 06:05:16 so now, i need to figure out how to modify this to PWM one of the user leds Jun 04 06:05:27 assuming its possible Jun 04 06:05:40 i think it is but not exactly sure Jun 04 06:05:50 On customize board , if the EMMC does not conncet the Reset Pin, will it make no-booting ? Jun 04 06:06:31 soudns liek a question best left to either Gerald or teh TRM Jun 04 06:06:58 Check out the schematics, it might make sense from that. Jun 04 06:07:17 mranostay, an APK can contain native ARM code.. Jun 04 06:07:38 rbarris: yes i know now Jun 04 06:07:44 oh cool Jun 04 06:07:49 just catching up on the scrollback Jun 04 06:07:51 forgot about the whole jni crazyness Jun 04 06:07:54 nuff said Jun 04 06:08:01 yeah NDK based apps etc Jun 04 06:08:22 point of the original question is how does atom handle the native arm code Jun 04 06:08:33 it doesnt. Jun 04 06:08:33 it doesn't :) Jun 04 06:08:55 maybe the atom chip cannot, but Intel has the resources to do an ARM vm Jun 04 06:09:03 there is no way we are going to write an emulator for ARM :) Jun 04 06:09:06 qemu ? Jun 04 06:09:16 oh is that the royal we Jun 04 06:09:20 i'm behind Jun 04 06:09:44 someones proud of his job Jun 04 06:09:47 id probably be too Jun 04 06:10:13 heh no i'm just saying Jun 04 06:10:17 except i cant stand to be confined in an office for long. Jun 04 06:10:23 hopefully APK will handle fat binaries gracefully.. Jun 04 06:10:37 Molloy's vids are great instruction but the guy's an fing hypnontist, puts me to sleep every time. Jun 04 06:10:39 rbarris: that would be one way Jun 04 06:11:00 mastiff: you need more good swiss chocolate Jun 04 06:11:13 or good swiss coffee ;) Jun 04 06:11:20 or a good nights JIHAD ! Jun 04 06:11:22 mastiff: especially the military stuff we call "notration" :) Jun 04 06:11:25 * m_billybob rolls eyes. Jun 04 06:11:39 there aint no good swiss coffee... Jun 04 06:11:45 no ? Jun 04 06:11:50 only good swiss coffee surugate Jun 04 06:11:59 tea ? Jun 04 06:12:10 my point is it easier to have apps have multiple 'versions' in the app store Jun 04 06:12:13 maybe I should change my allocation to only wine for soldering, and coffee for coding Jun 04 06:12:24 at the recent Google IO session on game development, their presenter asked the crowd how many of them wanted to use NDK (native code) for their games... they were amazed how many hands went up Jun 04 06:12:30 versus having an emulator translating instruction sets Jun 04 06:12:46 Ok so DT experts, will a dtbo load, if it somehow bad ? Jun 04 06:12:53 you lose any plus of having native code if you emulate Jun 04 06:12:57 if it is somehow bad* Jun 04 06:12:59 mastiff: wine for coding is fine too...think of the ballmer peak Jun 04 06:13:02 since they had just finished rolling out their Java visual development suite, this particular crowd wasn't all thrilled with it. Jun 04 06:13:23 KotH: need a beer to enter that :P Jun 04 06:13:40 mranostay: nah... ethanol, IV is good enough ;) Jun 04 06:13:50 <_Sy_> Morning Jun 04 06:13:57 <_Sy_> Another lovely day. Jun 04 06:14:03 mranostay: and you can ensure that you do not pass the peak and create windows me ;) Jun 04 06:14:14 anyone tried bluetooth yet with BBB? Jun 04 06:14:15 a wonderfull JIHAD morning to you too, _Sy_ Jun 04 06:14:27 i coudln't get my cheap ebay dongle working Jun 04 06:14:32 <_Sy_> And to u :) Jun 04 06:15:11 switching to ubertooth Jun 04 06:15:21 KotH: can you make bombs of chocolate? Jun 04 06:15:34 chocolate bombs ! Jun 04 06:15:42 sure, nd they can be lethal too ! Jun 04 06:16:02 just add dime sized ballbearings, and a 1/2 lb of C4 Jun 04 06:16:29 chocolate ball bearings! Jun 04 06:17:02 you may laught lol i am but claymores thats essentially what they are. not dime sized ballbearings though smaller. Jun 04 06:17:20 1/4 lb C4 too Jun 04 06:17:25 <_Sy_> Some system somewhere in the CIA is doing cartwheels picking up on all this chat on bombs and JIHAD... Jun 04 06:17:34 lol Jun 04 06:17:36 i wouldn't laugh if those went off near me :P Jun 04 06:17:51 mranostay, i dont think anyone would Jun 04 06:18:07 *inserted ubertooth into BBB Jun 04 06:18:16 * mranostay blames the dutch Jun 04 06:19:00 _Sy_, yeah you're probably right time to tone it down lol Jun 04 06:19:21 Device 002 appears Jun 04 06:20:12 KotH is the one going to gitmo Jun 04 06:20:14 I have plans for making automatic weapons for sale. Please buy them. Jun 04 06:20:27 You can find them for free on the interweb. Jun 04 06:20:29 don't! IT IS A TRAP! Jun 04 06:20:36 But I will sell them to you if you want. Jun 04 06:21:16 only asking nicely if you do ok Jun 04 06:21:24 lol maybe Jun 04 06:21:26 really what would i do with an automatic weapon ? Jun 04 06:21:37 auto is dumbe Jun 04 06:21:40 semi yay Jun 04 06:21:57 ive fired enough in the military to know they only serve one purpose. Jun 04 06:22:05 anyways you don't need it until you do Jun 04 06:22:15 like a lot of software Jun 04 06:22:17 they're used to cut trees in half at teh firering range ;) Jun 04 06:22:24 better to have in case you need Jun 04 06:22:31 * m_billybob was a 60 gunner at one point Jun 04 06:22:39 m_billybob: 3 round burst on the other hand is useful :P Jun 04 06:22:49 full auto is good for SAW Jun 04 06:23:00 full auto only good for zombies Jun 04 06:23:18 same dittio Jun 04 06:23:23 full only for video games :) Jun 04 06:23:37 mranostay 2 round is better. Jun 04 06:23:42 full auto only if you don't carry your own ammo Jun 04 06:23:53 3 rd rond spread is almost always too far off Jun 04 06:24:02 round* Jun 04 06:24:19 now if you are the tail gunner on a train, now full auto would be appropriate Jun 04 06:24:22 anyhow. nuff of that Jun 04 06:24:48 <_Sy_> Breakfast time....then pick up son and long drive home... Jun 04 06:25:37 mastiff or full auto is necessity for water guns ;) Jun 04 06:26:10 lol, I always favored water ballons over water guns Jun 04 06:26:29 brings a new meaning to the phrase "spray your target" Jun 04 06:27:24 random question, how many people have been arrested for hacking China??? Jun 04 06:27:25 ah man now i actually have to read a pin out chart Jun 04 06:27:27 zero? Jun 04 06:27:34 was having so much fun messing with code Jun 04 06:28:42 testing pins with their default function has been easier than messing with DT Jun 04 06:29:29 I have to eventually write an overlay that configures every_single_pin on the bbb Jun 04 06:29:52 well minus emmc Jun 04 06:30:24 just want to verify workin uart, i2c and spi next, then start integrating the sensors I have working with arduinos, or have arduions send bluetooth data after I get BT working on BBB Jun 04 06:30:34 we're suing every possible pin out though, and may even have to do some external muxing Jun 04 06:30:38 using* Jun 04 06:32:20 morning Jun 04 06:32:34 was reading a blog last night someone testing PWM though it was kind of funny, the text went something like "ok 1Khz signal good, so now im moving on to 10Mhz . . . wow signal all over the place, PWM on the bbb may need work . . . Jun 04 06:33:22 10Mhz PWM . . . yeah id be very surprise if the bbb could deal with 2Mhz Jun 04 06:35:15 the Picolo c2000 with dedicated CLA can barely deal with 8bit 2Mhz PWM Jun 04 06:35:38 oh, so TI hypes overly> Jun 04 06:35:47 ? Jun 04 06:36:07 what is the PWM supposed to be much better ? Jun 04 06:36:08 non specific question Jun 04 06:36:22 no i have no idea on the bbb's PWM specs Jun 04 06:36:22 it depends on the clock you feed it Jun 04 06:36:31 I'm sure it could do MHz Jun 04 06:36:39 external clocking ablity is good Jun 04 06:36:40 but there are two different PWM blocks Jun 04 06:36:55 just saying 10Mhz PWM is pretty insane i would not expect the bbb to be able to cope with a PWM that fast Jun 04 06:36:58 panto, the ehrpwm? Jun 04 06:37:06 yes Jun 04 06:37:16 panto, I've used it at 1 MHz to drive the 6502 cpu Jun 04 06:37:24 nice Jun 04 06:37:25 right Jun 04 06:37:27 and higher, though I forget exactly where Jun 04 06:37:36 dunno 10MHz maybe is pushing it Jun 04 06:37:59 I think I tried 4 or so, can't recall if I tried to max my WDC 6502 to the full speed Jun 04 06:38:02 panto: greek dude Jun 04 06:38:09 yeah well, I wanna plug a hackRF into the BBB for marine radio use and hackRF has 20MS/s, Jun 04 06:38:14 wasn't really my objective since I couldn't decode bus cycles that fast with the pru anyway Jun 04 06:38:24 usb high speed? Jun 04 06:38:29 anyway, off to bed...crazy left coast time :( Jun 04 06:38:34 cya mdp Jun 04 06:38:49 hi intel selloff Jun 04 06:39:01 now with PRU i wonder how fast that could go with PWM Jun 04 06:39:03 samsung buy intel yay Jun 04 06:39:20 m_billybob, you could do 10MHz Jun 04 06:39:27 I don't know what the accuracy would be Jun 04 06:39:50 as oin resolution ? Jun 04 06:39:52 in* Jun 04 06:39:55 yeah Jun 04 06:39:59 i forget the math on PWM Jun 04 06:40:09 you might do even higher for fixed ratios Jun 04 06:40:20 panto: it is sellout thank you Jun 04 06:40:24 i.e. only 0,25,50,75% etc Jun 04 06:40:36 hmm Jun 04 06:40:37 mranostay, sell-off, cause you were a bargain Jun 04 06:40:43 is USB the fastest way to get data into the BB> Jun 04 06:40:54 mastiff, err, no Jun 04 06:41:18 cant be ethernet is it ? Jun 04 06:41:18 say you have a fast peripheral Jun 04 06:41:21 panto: ouch Jun 04 06:41:28 like usb scope Jun 04 06:41:36 well as it stands Jun 04 06:42:10 sorry if dumb question..... Jun 04 06:42:17 mastiff, SPI can be pretty quick, dont know if it could cocmpare to USB though Jun 04 06:42:44 well bbb says specs say hi speed usb Jun 04 06:43:41 yeah that doesnt always mean much Jun 04 06:43:48 it for sure can't Jun 04 06:44:11 USB is differential signaling Jun 04 06:44:29 with what ? 8/10 bit encoding ?? Jun 04 06:45:43 not sure, hi speed usb specs are fast though Jun 04 06:46:04 usb 3.0 is uberspeeeeeed Jun 04 06:46:31 its ok but i bet firewireb would blow it out of the water. Jun 04 06:47:20 usb physical layer may be fast, but the s/w overhead is pretty bad Jun 04 06:47:35 I have usb 3.0 here now and an external drive. its pretty fast, but still seems somewhat lacking Jun 04 06:47:45 all sorts of different apps though Jun 04 06:48:27 mastiff, when it comes down to it, my usb3.0 drive is actually faster when accessed over our network using GbE Jun 04 06:48:41 i believe it Jun 04 06:48:59 meaning the machine its plugged into cant access it as fast as another machine that can see it shared Jun 04 06:49:04 my usb 3.0 hd is faster, but not to claimed specs Jun 04 06:49:38 whats teh average speed it gives you ? Jun 04 06:49:47 i average around 60MB/s usually Jun 04 06:49:57 85MB/s over the network at times Jun 04 06:50:07 that's not bad Jun 04 06:50:29 way better than USB2 Jun 04 06:50:37 times bits you got almost 1/2 gig Jun 04 06:50:50 eh ? Jun 04 06:51:03 times biits ? Jun 04 06:51:21 oh sorry you're getting 60 mega bYtes Jun 04 06:51:57 yeah i abbreviate megabits as Mbit Jun 04 06:52:00 always. Jun 04 06:52:10 bit bytes maybe too much wine on this end............ Jun 04 06:58:07 mastiff: i dont need no cheap automatic weapons Jun 04 06:58:15 mastiff: i'm a swiss... and thus heavily armed! Jun 04 06:58:17 :) Jun 04 06:58:55 very well, Swiss people are HQ Jun 04 06:59:33 I might move to swiss mountains if sailing isn't as nice as it is. Jun 04 07:01:17 you can sail in the swiss mountains too Jun 04 07:05:09 heh Jun 04 07:05:17 * m_billybob is currently baking bread Jun 04 07:05:24 nothing like fresh baked bread Jun 04 07:05:34 juup Jun 04 07:06:30 Masitf enjoys baking in aruidno controlled dutch oven Jun 04 07:07:50 vaporizing oil burning stoves are great once they warm up............. Jun 04 07:09:12 pwm controlled peristaltic pump........ Jun 04 07:09:15 KotH, DT question. if i compile a dti, then load it does this imply the *dtbo is in good shape, or not ? I just downloaded dtc for debian on my x86 box and thinking i cross compiled . . .but yeah dunno Jun 04 07:09:57 m_billybob: uh.. öh... what was the question again? Jun 04 07:10:02 lol Jun 04 07:10:25 if i am able to load a DT overlay, after ive compiled it does this imply the overlay is ok ? Jun 04 07:10:51 or is it possible to load an overlay that may not be quite 100% good ? Jun 04 07:11:17 i have no idea Jun 04 07:11:25 I didnt do anything with it, i just loaded it then unloaded it Jun 04 07:11:27 how would you know if it's 100% good? Jun 04 07:11:55 wouldn't you have to test each inteface>? Jun 04 07:12:54 well thats what im trying ot figure out. im pretty sure its possible that it may not do what i expect. Jun 04 07:13:08 but yeah idk could be im reading too much into what DT is / isnt Jun 04 07:14:34 I saw a post by RCN on eewiki, that involved a script for downloading the git, patching the source, and compiling dtc but yeah i just want to make sure dtc is workign correctly i dotn realy care abotu the overlay so much Jun 04 07:14:48 not yet Jun 04 07:14:50 I still can't get my usr leds to change brightness............. Jun 04 07:15:04 what do you mean change brightness ? Jun 04 07:15:11 brightness 1 or 0 Jun 04 07:15:18 unless you're using PWM Jun 04 07:15:20 no that's on and off Jun 04 07:15:38 there is another parameter called max_brightness Jun 04 07:15:45 or similar spelling Jun 04 07:16:07 m_billybob: you mean like https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 ? Jun 04 07:16:43 koen, from what i gleaned by the post he made hes using same DT angstrom doesn but with debian specific patches Jun 04 07:17:26 koen, pretty much i downloaded a bash script he wrong chmod +x'd it and it did its own thing Jun 04 07:17:33 he wrote* Jun 04 07:18:24 i have no idea how it is even working. i type dtc and it seems to work Jun 04 07:18:29 hello Jun 04 07:18:53 bbiaf need to check my bread Jun 04 07:19:13 any suggestions for a device for viewing text in direct sunlight> Jun 04 07:23:05 mastiff: classic kindle Jun 04 07:23:22 can it ssh? Jun 04 07:23:33 with some hacking, but it isn't fun Jun 04 07:23:44 olpc is really good for fast updates in direct sunlight Jun 04 07:23:55 keyboard isn't very friendly though Jun 04 07:23:58 i just wanna be able to code while piloting my sailboat Jun 04 07:24:14 find out what the screen technology on the olpc is Jun 04 07:24:22 won't be super friendly regardllesss Jun 04 07:24:55 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Display Jun 04 07:25:19 pico projector via hdmi is great in theory, haven't tested yet tough Jun 04 07:25:29 not for outside Jun 04 07:25:29 ah, occulus rift Jun 04 07:25:36 that should work great in direct sunlight Jun 04 07:25:43 you might have trouble sailing though Jun 04 07:26:18 what I want is ssh into bbb or laptop inside the boat while sailing in the cockpit Jun 04 07:27:34 olpc might work well for you because of weatherability Jun 04 07:27:36 for that whatever has best viewing in sun is fine so long as ssh or other is ok Jun 04 07:27:41 Has anyone had any luck getting the cheap wifi adapters working with the beaglebone black? I think the chipset is 8188CUs or some such Jun 04 07:28:23 BBB is potentially great for marine use because of fanlessness Jun 04 07:29:10 Havne't tried chep wifi, only cheap BT. Jun 04 07:29:15 no luck Jun 04 07:29:16 yet Jun 04 07:29:48 So i guess i kind of answered my own question. If the dtbi loads, then dtc mus tbe workign right. Jun 04 07:30:12 otherwise id imagine capmngr would get unfriendly Jun 04 07:32:01 i keep thinking in "real" compiler terms and architecture etc i dont think processor aarchitecture for dtc matters. Or does it ? Jun 04 07:32:50 * m_billybob is just confusing himself now Jun 04 07:33:56 mastiff cheap BT sems to work fine Jun 04 07:34:39 that's ++ Jun 04 07:34:42 root@arm:/home/william# lsusb Jun 04 07:34:42 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) Jun 04 07:34:53 m_billybob, DT binary format is portable across all arches Jun 04 07:34:54 $1.71 dongle Jun 04 07:34:58 (it's even big endian if you care) Jun 04 07:35:06 mine says the same with lsusb Jun 04 07:35:27 panto. ah thanks thats exactly what i wondering, except i kept fumbling all over the wording . . . Jun 04 07:35:30 thanks :) Jun 04 07:36:02 how are you verifying "working" for BT? Jun 04 07:36:18 I can see it on my other machine Jun 04 07:36:32 just cant connect to it because both songles have teh same MAC address Jun 04 07:36:38 dongles* Jun 04 07:36:48 thats what you get for only paying $1.71 though Jun 04 07:37:03 panto your document is great and makes more sense to me everyday Jun 04 07:37:05 think we've found a way to hack the MAC though Jun 04 07:37:08 ++ Jun 04 07:39:57 bluetooth hearing aids are the high end devices these days.............. Jun 04 07:40:02 panto, and yes, thanks for the googledoc, if i understand correctly that you've had a hand in it. Jun 04 07:40:13 yes Jun 04 07:40:42 I think i get the basic gist Jun 04 07:41:17 condense it to a I2C sensor and a graph then tell rasPi to fuck off Jun 04 07:41:49 of similar blablabbla Jun 04 07:42:11 tomorrow and possibly the following few days aferwward im goign ot make it my goal to take one of these pwm examples and try to make it change brightness on a user LED Jun 04 07:42:38 just dont' make people think they have to use javascript for bbb Jun 04 07:42:59 mastiff, this will be using device tree and SYSFS Jun 04 07:43:17 plus i have a strong dislike for most scriipting type languages Jun 04 07:43:30 the king of all would be java Jun 04 07:43:40 * m_billybob stabs java repeatadly Jun 04 07:43:40 I'm just a boatbuilder Jun 04 07:44:06 only intersted in linux or singleboard computers because they need to be on sailboats Jun 04 07:44:15 and yeah java != javascript i know ;) Jun 04 07:44:18 mastiff, where are you located? Jun 04 07:44:23 laptop + 30W power Jun 04 07:44:33 or BBB <5W power Jun 04 07:45:03 if you're loading the bbb doign anything normal you shoudl expect to use aroudn 10W Jun 04 07:45:05 panto, in Chicago IL, USA Jun 04 07:45:14 hehe, pretty far away Jun 04 07:45:27 in route to Sweden then Spain, then back to Bahamas Jun 04 07:45:29 hope I can get to sail this year Jun 04 07:45:44 I can use 1500W as a ham Jun 04 07:46:06 my boat is a Pearson Triton Jun 04 07:46:15 mastiff, normal BB power draw is something like 300-400mA Jun 04 07:46:20 check www.atomvoyages.com for similar Jun 04 07:46:22 err, mW Jun 04 07:46:29 * panto needs coffee Jun 04 07:46:31 yup very lowp power Jun 04 07:46:39 mastiff, im was just saying other than idling you shoudl expect teh bbb to use around 10W. especially if you're looing to use it as a low power desktop Jun 04 07:46:42 TBH it can go lower Jun 04 07:46:47 I'l be running on solar and thermoelectric Jun 04 07:47:02 plus diesel alternator for high power RF Jun 04 07:47:13 or batteries Jun 04 07:47:15 we don't have the low power firmware for the m3 in yet Jun 04 07:47:42 dunno, we could get in the 100mW range at idle Jun 04 07:47:53 although the bone is not a really low power design Jun 04 07:47:55 panto, with what exactly ? Jun 04 07:47:56 yeah BBob, love the fanless power Jun 04 07:48:21 panto, any OS or we speakign strictly Angstrom ? Jun 04 07:48:27 I am amazed how annoyed i am getting with this stupid little realtek wifi dongle, these drivers are not very nice Jun 04 07:48:30 m_billybob, there's another ARM M3 core in the package, which control power transitions Jun 04 07:48:33 panto, i dont know what it is exactly that you do. sorry. Jun 04 07:48:38 m_billybob, standard kernel Jun 04 07:48:51 nothing in BBB is extremely user friendly Jun 04 07:48:57 ah very cool Jun 04 07:49:04 we'll ship with angstrom and then you can do what ever you like Jun 04 07:49:17 yeah im running debian now Jun 04 07:49:30 so far feel right at home no major issues yet Jun 04 07:50:01 although im entering unchartered "waters" with embedded linux Jun 04 07:50:25 mastiff, how would you make a dev board 'user-friendly' Jun 04 07:50:37 heh Jun 04 07:50:38 if it was user-friendly by definition it would be much more confined Jun 04 07:50:48 not sure Jun 04 07:50:58 it's not a product Jun 04 07:50:59 I'm switching from arduinos Jun 04 07:51:00 it's a tool Jun 04 07:51:10 panto i think he means he wants it to be more like an arduino ;) Jun 04 07:51:14 which it'll never be Jun 04 07:51:17 way more capability in this platform Jun 04 07:51:26 mastiff, there's a GSoC project that will have user-space arduino Jun 04 07:51:26 far more complex too Jun 04 07:51:34 which is fine Jun 04 07:51:37 so you'll get to use what you know Jun 04 07:51:47 didn't initially realize that :) Jun 04 07:51:55 but, it will suck compared to what you can do with the bone natively Jun 04 07:52:10 anyways, what I'm most interested in is far beyond arduion... Jun 04 07:52:28 right, that's why you're here Jun 04 07:52:58 but the arduions I already have are great for reading sensors and controlling stuff Jun 04 07:53:14 mastiff, as long as you don't anything complex Jun 04 07:53:37 im the same way with the msp430 Jun 04 07:53:37 for that I wanna intercace with my existing boards via bluetooth Jun 04 07:53:45 but again completely different platform Jun 04 07:53:53 far more complex Jun 04 07:54:12 just sending slow data via BT or serial to BT, that's all Jun 04 07:54:25 should be easy cakes Jun 04 07:54:37 im going to be using it all Jun 04 07:54:40 except PWM Jun 04 07:54:52 i2c SPI uart many gpios Jun 04 07:55:02 (all gpio's) Jun 04 07:55:13 they can be Jun 04 07:55:50 I don't know how to switch pins correctly................ Jun 04 07:56:25 we're goign ot have to disable hdmi since we're not goign ot use it, and probably use those pins as well. currently well will be experimenting again once we hack the MAC adresses on these BT dongles . .so we can free up another 4-6 pins to use for something else Jun 04 07:56:43 i expect to full take a year to set this up, and then lot more time afterwards perfecting it Jun 04 07:57:48 but i think once done it will be somethign to be proud of Jun 04 07:57:48 The 5000 page manual for the ARM processors is good for a quick readif you;'re board. Jun 04 07:58:23 I only read docs like that when i need to Jun 04 07:58:38 e.g. when im workign on code where i need a better understanding Jun 04 07:58:44 otherwise id never get anythign done Jun 04 07:59:37 I will need to dip into it soon to understand pin muxing some though Jun 04 07:59:38 what are you working on now> Jun 04 07:59:57 mostly familiarizing myself with different aspects of embedded linux Jun 04 08:00:13 I'm gonna work on uart or I2c nest Jun 04 08:01:00 well tomorrow and the next few days as needed i plan on reworkign one of these example overlays to use PWM to control a usr LED's brightness Jun 04 08:01:13 simple goal that will help me understand what i need to do. better. Jun 04 08:02:49 Bbobl, have you tried changing the led brightness > Jun 04 08:03:30 For some reason, changing the max brightness did nothign for me. Jun 04 08:04:20 give me a sec. i'll dig up the directories. Jun 04 08:05:32 Still can't boot from EMMC(MMC1), it drives me crazy.... Jun 04 08:05:53 I had set SYSBOOT[4:0] to 11100 Jun 04 08:05:58 This one has good, but incomplete info Jun 04 08:06:06 http://elinux.org/EBC_Exercise_10_Flashing_an_LED Jun 04 08:06:19 Any idea? Jun 04 08:06:39 is that a bone or your own board? Jun 04 08:06:53 good starting/continuing point Jun 04 08:07:10 mastiff, no i havent tried those yet. the yseem very simple though Jun 04 08:07:25 not going to bother with them Jun 04 08:07:44 I can do similar using C on bare metal on other platforms ive little doubt i could do it Jun 04 08:08:05 yeah, not complicated hopefully Jun 04 08:08:14 only something wrong if it si Jun 04 08:08:53 bone is working nicely for most things Jun 04 08:09:32 panto, I have a USB scope i wanna use for BBB debuggging Jun 04 08:10:04 officially if requires windows or vmware player.... Jun 04 08:10:14 heh one things that is annoying me right now though. i can not figure out what, how when this heartbeat blink pattern is coming from Jun 04 08:10:21 can we get it to run of BBB Jun 04 08:10:32 the OS Jun 04 08:10:38 no kidding. Jun 04 08:10:44 you can shut it off too Jun 04 08:10:57 this isnt angstrom though, im betting its a natice app or service Jun 04 08:10:58 m_billybob, you mean the led? Jun 04 08:11:04 native app* Jun 04 08:11:09 panto yeah Jun 04 08:11:16 I was talking native leds most recently Jun 04 08:11:21 check out /sys/class/leds Jun 04 08:11:28 thanks Jun 04 08:11:31 * m_billybob looks Jun 04 08:12:06 I want panto to talk about vanquishing zombies and building army of blah yeah Jun 04 08:12:22 Panto, my own board Jun 04 08:12:56 building a dark army? Jun 04 08:13:00 i'm in! Jun 04 08:13:16 kelvinji, heh, something must not be right then Jun 04 08:13:18 ah !!!! Jun 04 08:13:20 it's scope time! :P Jun 04 08:13:24 * m_billybob fires up army of darkness Jun 04 08:13:36 KotH, my army will run on garlic Jun 04 08:13:44 good against vampires Jun 04 08:13:47 when i said native leds i meant user leds a few lines up so fuck off Jun 04 08:14:19 panto, am i looking for a trigger ? uevent ? Jun 04 08:14:31 tweezing contest 0204 Jun 04 08:14:37 panto: rember, i'm turkish... food w/o onions and garlic ain't food :) Jun 04 08:14:43 root@beaglebone:/sys/class/leds# ls Jun 04 08:14:43 beaglebone:green:usr0 beaglebone:green:usr2 Jun 04 08:14:43 beaglebone:green:usr1 beaglebone:green:usr3 Jun 04 08:14:53 yeah im there now Jun 04 08:15:01 root@beaglebone:/sys/class/leds/beaglebone:green:usr0# ls Jun 04 08:15:01 brightness device max_brightness power subsystem trigger uevent Jun 04 08:15:06 root@beaglebone:/sys/class/leds/beaglebone:green:usr0# cat trigger Jun 04 08:15:06 none nand-disk mmc0 timer oneshot [heartbeat] backlight gpio cpu0 default-on transient Jun 04 08:15:10 mhmm Jun 04 08:15:16 ah Jun 04 08:15:44 kelvinji, check that accesses to mmc1 go out to the pads of the part Jun 04 08:15:49 panto, thanks again :) Jun 04 08:15:57 On belhalf of America I invite all of you for a BBQ at your inconvienience... Jun 04 08:16:10 hehe Jun 04 08:16:44 too far away to take you up on that but the offer is extended to anyone that comes around my part of the world Jun 04 08:17:11 It's ok, you don't know what bbq is, but we will force you too like it lol Jun 04 08:17:30 mastiff: i refuse to enter a country that is not democratic Jun 04 08:17:33 ;) Jun 04 08:18:00 tell me your country, mine is lousy Jun 04 08:18:22 they are fascists who think they are teddy bears Jun 04 08:18:26 chocolate country Jun 04 08:18:32 belgium? Jun 04 08:18:33 seriously this cant be as easy as moving square brackets ? or hmm no thats not it Jun 04 08:18:45 m_billybob, no, echo "none" >trigger Jun 04 08:18:47 panto: pah! Jun 04 08:18:56 strike a nerve there? Jun 04 08:19:01 juup Jun 04 08:19:04 panto ah heh thanks gain was thinking echo 0 Jun 04 08:19:06 been there... didnt like the chocolate Jun 04 08:19:15 it was worse than german chocolate Jun 04 08:19:18 enough, chocolate must have trree nuts Jun 04 08:19:19 guess i was close but no cigar Jun 04 08:19:40 stop the fakery Jun 04 08:19:43 kelvinji, I would suggest just copying what the bb schematics do Jun 04 08:20:00 3.8 vs other is ?? Jun 04 08:20:22 mastiff, ? Jun 04 08:20:43 panto, your doc is great for undestanding the general structure Jun 04 08:21:05 panto: mastiff doesnt like chocolate Jun 04 08:21:06 * panto procrastinates on CFPs Jun 04 08:21:16 nevermind the chocolate nonsense Jun 04 08:21:18 KotH, how can that be? Jun 04 08:21:28 perhaps we can re-educate him Jun 04 08:21:38 don't the swiss have concentration camps just for that? Jun 04 08:21:46 heh Jun 04 08:22:06 im starting to feel like im in one now Jun 04 08:22:19 bbb's got a stranglehold on me . . . Jun 04 08:22:37 wont let me go, wont let me sleep . . . Jun 04 08:22:43 * m_billybob must be addicted Jun 04 08:24:34 so, this very dim heartbeat pattern im seeing now i guess is for the cpu ? kernel ? Jun 04 08:25:22 you can change it if you want Jun 04 08:25:44 just curious Jun 04 08:25:49 seems its for the CPU Jun 04 08:26:05 i Jun 04 08:26:36 tried to change max_brightness but nothing Jun 04 08:26:38 no luck Jun 04 08:27:10 im still very new to the linux kernel but was reading last night . . .well actually searchign through the different source files, and noticed a lot of heartbeat file names Jun 04 08:27:57 namely i was looking for something to point me to the heartbeat blinky "app" whcih apparently isnt really an app afterall Jun 04 08:28:35 it's in /sys/ something :) Jun 04 08:28:36 kelvinji, no idea; I'm not a h/w engineer Jun 04 08:28:54 you mean the watchdog? Jun 04 08:28:59 you better copy everything as it is; make changes only after you get something working Jun 04 08:29:06 this is never user visible Jun 04 08:29:38 m_billybob, there is no blinky app; it's all handled by the kernel via a led-trigger Jun 04 08:30:02 panto yeah now i see :) Jun 04 08:30:35 very different from somethign as simple as a msp430 Jun 04 08:30:52 extremely Jun 04 08:31:07 OTH you get alot of stuff for free Jun 04 08:31:13 as long as you know how to use them Jun 04 08:31:25 *OTOH Jun 04 08:31:27 Hi! When I ping (local network) my BeagleBone Black I get no reply sometimes. This seems to get worse the longer it's turned on. While I am SSH-ed into the machine at some moment (usually after I've generated a bit more data traffic) I can no longer ping to the 'outside'. Jun 04 08:31:49 ericvrp, usb or ethernet? Jun 04 08:31:56 I've tried many good power supplies and different network cables and different Linux distributions but nothing seems to work. Does anyone recognize this problem? Should I return the board? Jun 04 08:32:09 This is ethernet. Jun 04 08:32:22 what kind of switch do you connect it to? Jun 04 08:32:52 I'm not 100% sure but when I just got the board I think I also tried a wifi usb dongle. Jun 04 08:32:52 or do you connect it directly to the ethernet port of a host? Jun 04 08:33:13 ka6sox: it seems someone is masquerading as you endorsing a "FACTUAL STUDY: CHLOROGENIC ACID IN GREEN COFFEE BURNS FAT" Jun 04 08:33:14 Various scenarios Jun 04 08:33:27 what does that mean? Jun 04 08:33:43 jackmitchell, he's ben hijacked Jun 04 08:33:45 Also directly connected to my router. Jun 04 08:33:54 jackmitchell advise not to click any links from his email Jun 04 08:34:04 ?? Jun 04 08:34:06 fwiw, the phys have a low-power mode that gets confused sometimes Jun 04 08:34:22 m_billybob: heh, that is unfortunate; he wasn't running the devil OS was he ;) Jun 04 08:34:43 jackmitchell, no i am but he clicked that infected link on the groups maybe Jun 04 08:34:55 panto: that would be a problem for all BBB's then I assume. Jun 04 08:35:06 but if you're sshed in the machine and you can't ping to the outside that's a network setup problem Jun 04 08:35:31 you can always paste the routes etc Jun 04 08:35:31 so I'm safe runnign lynx on BBB right> Jun 04 08:35:59 jackmitchell, just so happenes i used to make lots of money off of widnows users because of this sort of thing hehehe so typically i can get away with it ;) Jun 04 08:36:08 panto: it's very strange that this would happend on Angstrom, Debian and Arch. Jun 04 08:36:26 there could be network problem Jun 04 08:36:46 but if you're still ssh'ed in and the shell works I'd exclude driver problems Jun 04 08:36:51 The pullup/pulldown resistor of sysboot should be 100K?How about 51K? Jun 04 08:37:22 kelvinji: not good.. it has to be at least 99.9k Jun 04 08:37:31 kelvinji: at most 101.0k Jun 04 08:37:33 ericvrp: panto: I have a BB White that emits a similar behaviour regardless of software Jun 04 08:37:46 kelvinji: anything else will lead to global warming and explosions of the sun Jun 04 08:37:51 jackmitchell: thank you Jun 04 08:38:02 it may very well be software related, but I also know that it can be hardware Jun 04 08:38:12 I must have had 100 devices on this network without problems. Jun 04 08:38:26 in my case, it's just as cheap to buy another than RMA, so it's currently in stores as an emergency beagle Jun 04 08:38:28 ericvrp, it is conceivable it's a dud Jun 04 08:38:45 but without any data we can't say what's wrong with it Jun 04 08:38:49 seems like a really strange issue. Jun 04 08:39:16 it's very similar to my issue, the board starts off good, then the ethernet just slowly deteriorates Jun 04 08:39:37 sometimes it can be hours, sometimes days Jun 04 08:39:47 memory leak in the ethernet phy ? lol no idea Jun 04 08:39:52 but when it starts throwing a hissy a few days completely switched off fixes it Jun 04 08:40:21 it's not a memory leak as the same SD card, with the exact same software has no issues in any of the other bones Jun 04 08:40:34 packet trace and search for the lyrics of 'daisy daisy' Jun 04 08:41:13 ive had mine running for 8 days last i payed attention just testing ( mostly idle some load once in a while ) never expeprienced that problem Jun 04 08:41:41 wonder what my uptime is now probably a couple days Jun 04 08:41:48 as I say, all the other beagles are fine, just one of them is a PITA Jun 04 08:42:05 jackmitchell, sounds like a bad solder Jun 04 08:42:09 heh 10 hours Jun 04 08:42:16 gets warm, get's loose Jun 04 08:42:38 well one guy on the groups did say he noticed a solder blob on his ethernet come to think of it Jun 04 08:42:49 about a week ago Jun 04 08:43:05 not saying thats the case here but hmm yeah Jun 04 08:43:13 panto: very possible, I had a quick look at the board, but you can't really tell by eye these days Jun 04 08:43:25 jackmitchell, yeah Jun 04 08:43:29 got a heat gun ? Jun 04 08:43:32 ;) Jun 04 08:43:36 I'm now trying to 'stress' the ethernet connection with a shitload op opkg updates Jun 04 08:44:12 I got plenty of heat, but it ain't worth the time; at the price and replace-ability of these things, they're a commodity Jun 04 08:44:22 jackmitchell, right Jun 04 08:45:25 idk for $90 i could be motivated. but with many laying around yeah who knows Jun 04 08:46:04 me i only have one, in total two on location Jun 04 08:46:26 well, one bbb that is Jun 04 08:46:41 bingo. outside ping does not work (maybe nameserver no longer available, don't know) but ping to ip address works. Jun 04 08:46:51 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/09b118971be53aa5dce6 Jun 04 08:47:22 what do yo uhave for nameserver Jun 04 08:47:23 ericvrp, nameserver problem Jun 04 08:47:26 nothing to do with the bb Jun 04 08:47:50 panto: Don't agree. Jun 04 08:48:13 oh really? Jun 04 08:48:27 :-) Jun 04 08:48:57 Yes the nameserver is not used/found anymore but it's to early to say that this is not caused by a problem on the bbb. Jun 04 08:48:57 apropos... Jun 04 08:49:20 check your dhcp leases Jun 04 08:49:56 panto: did you hear anything from the guy who came in late saturday night and demanded that the bbb shall imediately support dma for usb, because his project needed that and he was too late to switch to another system? Jun 04 08:50:07 no Jun 04 08:50:13 I missed the chance to laugh in his face Jun 04 08:50:21 did you feed him a beer KotH ? Jun 04 08:50:32 dont all trolls here get a beer ? Jun 04 08:50:39 whites still work Jun 04 08:50:50 use the old 3.2 release and be happy Jun 04 08:51:09 m_billybob: i tried to tell him that he could try to return his bbb, but he seemed unhappy with that too Jun 04 08:51:19 he was really agitated Jun 04 08:51:37 well you know . soudns like a personal problem ;) Jun 04 08:51:39 perhaps if he had a date for Saturday night he would be Jun 04 08:51:49 *wouldn't Jun 04 08:52:16 KotH, why didn't you tell him to use RPi then? :) Jun 04 08:52:26 I expect Gerald twisted his arm to buy that bbb of his Jun 04 08:52:43 panto: how do I check dhcp leases? I see on my router that the BBB still receives the same ip address. Jun 04 08:52:54 panto: he told us repeatedly that he couldnt switch to another board anymore, because his project was due soon Jun 04 08:53:22 maybe he should do his homework Jun 04 08:53:30 it's not like we keep things secret Jun 04 08:53:48 and it's not like you couldnt do a quick performance test early in the project Jun 04 08:53:49 new board barely a couple months old Jun 04 08:54:01 brand new crap everywhere Jun 04 08:54:08 I think i may have seen him or maybe someone else on the groups making such statements too Jun 04 08:54:23 well.. Jun 04 08:54:32 panto: i got bitten by the i.mx23 Jun 04 08:54:35 if he needs something that bad, he can always hire people to fix it for him Jun 04 08:54:52 or creat a cape with dma on it ? Jun 04 08:54:52 panto: had been around for >3y... but freescale didnt care to get their drivers upstream Jun 04 08:54:52 community == people helping each other fix things Jun 04 08:55:05 yeah Jun 04 08:55:16 panto: i realized too late that their linux build system used an stone age kernel with >1000 patches over it Jun 04 08:55:26 the moment the silicon ships SoC vendors don't care Jun 04 08:55:29 * ericvrp wonders if IpV6 is enabled on his router Jun 04 08:55:43 so what if I have a 6yo kernel with a gazillion patches Jun 04 08:55:49 all the hardware IP works! Jun 04 08:55:54 right? right? Jun 04 08:56:03 panto: on the other hand, i was lucky that the project got delayed.... by the time i could finally tackle the driver problem, patches were available :) Jun 04 08:56:34 KotH, you were too lucky Jun 04 08:56:52 * KotH nods Jun 04 08:56:55 sounds like it would be a nightmare Jun 04 08:57:09 maintaining a 6 year old kernel with tons of patches Jun 04 08:57:10 it could have been Jun 04 08:57:25 freescale yo usay ? Jun 04 08:57:38 m_billybob: wouldnt have worked... we relied for another part of the project to have an up to date kernel Jun 04 08:57:47 m_billybob: juup Jun 04 08:58:04 * m_billybob looks sideways at his FRDM-KL25Z freedom dev kits next to him that he hasnt touched Jun 04 08:58:20 m_billybob: and they were very helpfull in confirming that what we wanted to do was not supported by them. and if we wanted their help we should pay big money Jun 04 08:58:21 oder filler Jun 04 08:58:31 m_billybob: any help at all Jun 04 08:58:50 panto: IPv6 is not enabled on my router but ifconfig eth0 seems to give me an IPv6 address (if I understand it's output correctly) Jun 04 08:58:57 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d62911d13727c2e1e22c Jun 04 08:59:06 again, im glad i dotn do this professionally like some of yo udo. Jun 04 08:59:21 ericvrp, could be a link local address Jun 04 08:59:23 m_billybob: funny thing about that: not even 3 months before the project started, we were contacted by a freescale sales, whether we would be inclined to use their processors for medical applications Jun 04 08:59:51 m_billybob: he never replied to my mail asking whether they intended to support our medical projects the same way as they did with that project :) Jun 04 09:00:22 ericvrp: you only have a link local address Jun 04 09:00:27 ericvrp: no globaly routable address Jun 04 09:00:30 the way some of these companies do business its a wonder they are still around Jun 04 09:00:44 ericvrp, /usr/lib/connman/test/ Jun 04 09:00:50 start digging Jun 04 09:01:45 KotH unfortunately i think all companies in this field have "issues" eh ? some less than others. Jun 04 09:01:45 * panto hates connman, but yeah... Jun 04 09:01:55 ericvrp: do you have a radvd running on your router Jun 04 09:01:56 ? Jun 04 09:02:03 m_billybob: not really Jun 04 09:02:10 btw, if you have the same problem with angstrom and other distros it must be a network problem Jun 04 09:02:22 m_billybob: atmel needs a lot of beating until they do something, but at least they listen to you Jun 04 09:02:32 m_billybob: and our local ti sales people are very helpfull... Jun 04 09:02:53 m_billybob: we get from them NDA'ed stuff even before we have signed the NDA if we need it quickly Jun 04 09:03:09 panto: it's getting better Jun 04 09:03:22 ah well TI isnt perfect, but probably one of my own personal favorite to deal with . granted i dont deal with them the same as you doim sure Jun 04 09:03:41 m_billybob: havent tried nxp or energymicro yet... Jun 04 09:03:42 panto: I keep an eye on the mailing list and a lot of the work they do is good, it's just a shame they're an intel puppet Jun 04 09:04:05 nxp at least seems to have some interresting stuff, from what i hear anyhow Jun 04 09:04:08 jackmitchell, I hate them just for messing with nfs root Jun 04 09:04:11 I've had a few feature requests go in without a hitch and pretty quickly Jun 04 09:04:31 ah yes, is that not fixed now with pre-defined IP address? Jun 04 09:04:45 Ethernet Provisioning they call it Jun 04 09:04:53 not on the build we have in angrstom Jun 04 09:04:54 KotH but i mean like in the smal device dtuff, some guys i know from another channel here seem to like the LCP stuff ( or some of it ) a lot Jun 04 09:04:56 *angstrom Jun 04 09:05:01 I think it came in in 1.13 Jun 04 09:05:06 KotH: I don't know. All I see is that my Fritz!Box 7340 adsl modem/router has 'IPv6 support enabled' not checked. Jun 04 09:05:09 lcp1114 etc Jun 04 09:05:23 jackmitchell, just the term 'ethernet provisioning' makes me want to choke them Jun 04 09:05:44 yeah, that's where I blame Intel and enterprise management Jun 04 09:06:11 you dolts, you've booted with a command line that it's obviously doing nfs root Jun 04 09:06:18 wtf do you mess with that interface? Jun 04 09:06:58 * m_billybob feels like he missed something Jun 04 09:07:22 I'll enable IPV6 and see how that goes... Jun 04 09:07:45 m_billybob, you're missing on connman hate Jun 04 09:07:54 ericvrp: why don't you do a static pc <-> bb link and ping from the PC to the BB, if the BB never drops any packets then you're ok Jun 04 09:08:41 panto so apparently you're not meant to remove hdmi dtbi from capmngr without some magic hand waving eh ? just remembered why i only have an uptime of 10 hours lol Jun 04 09:09:17 ericvrp: stupid question: does your provider provide native ipv6? or does the fritzbox automagically build a tunnel somewhere? Jun 04 09:09:23 "hey dumbass dont do that !" *kick off root to regular user* Jun 04 09:10:01 m_billybob, just define your own cape that uses any of the HDMI capes resources Jun 04 09:10:09 m_billybob: as i said, never had the chance to try the nxp stuff and their support Jun 04 09:10:23 you own cape will take precedence and the HDMI cape will not load Jun 04 09:10:29 m_billybob: but at least the datasheets for their transistors and logic gates are complete enough :) Jun 04 09:10:48 their docs for their HDMI chips suck though Jun 04 09:11:33 KotH from what ive been hearing, at least just hobbyist stuff tpying around and whatnot, just plug in a ttl module, and a couple resistors, plus a cap or two and start banging out code Jun 04 09:11:52 no dev board needed Jun 04 09:12:14 for me personally thats an attraction but again i deal with this stuff on a different level Jun 04 09:12:54 panto: their docs for the RFID chips suck even more Jun 04 09:13:02 oh, I need those Jun 04 09:13:06 gimme Jun 04 09:13:36 anything rfid related is like pulling teeth Jun 04 09:13:52 panto: took them >10(!) tries to get us the nda faxed (sending it by mail or even email was not an option) and the documentation didnt contain the stuff we actually needed, for which we had to go trough another round of nda signing and sending Jun 04 09:14:23 panto: ofcourse, the datasheet was faxed, not send by mail... and judging from the quality, they must have used a 30y old fax machine Jun 04 09:14:37 lol Jun 04 09:14:42 lol Jun 04 09:15:01 vintage manuals Jun 04 09:15:14 chisel / hammer style ? Jun 04 09:16:07 so far so good Jun 04 09:16:09 im going blind . . . always prefer a PDF Jun 04 09:16:31 m_billybob: oh.. it ended up as a pdf Jun 04 09:16:34 so i can crank up the fonts to half the size of the screen Jun 04 09:16:46 This got added to the ifconfig output: inet6 addr: fd00::caa0:30ff:feaf:8420/64 Scope:Global Jun 04 09:16:47 KotH, which I'm sure if you've read through the legalese that was illegal :) Jun 04 09:16:54 incoming faxes are terminated at our VoIP provider, who converts them to pdf and sends them to us by email Jun 04 09:17:05 hehehe Jun 04 09:17:25 ericvrp: you want to read up on ipv6 addressranges Jun 04 09:17:48 ericvrp: that aint no routable ip Jun 04 09:18:04 panto : Could you paste the log booting from EMMC ? Jun 04 09:18:34 kelvinji, err, all my boards nfs root at the momemnt Jun 04 09:18:39 panto: i want to check my code. My bbb is away with me. Jun 04 09:19:02 guys, anyone with a bbb booted from emmc doing a dmesg? Jun 04 09:19:03 ericvrp: but why are you doing ipv6 anyways? Jun 04 09:19:04 kelvinji, theres a few post on the groups with console boot logs displayed in them Jun 04 09:19:10 dunno if that will help . . . Jun 04 09:19:25 ericvrp: if you dont know how to handle it, dont have it enabled in your network already, then there is no point in doing ipv6 on the bbb, is there? Jun 04 09:19:34 kelvinji, if you got problems loading the MLO from emmc the kernel boot log won't help Jun 04 09:21:02 I think there is a hardware issue on my board, so i can not boot from EMMC. Jun 04 09:21:41 I have bbb booted http://paste.ubuntu.com/5732027/ Jun 04 09:22:01 wofleidau: thank you very much. Jun 04 09:22:28 kelvinji: np just working on the usb serial stuff atm hence the errors at the end :) Jun 04 09:25:13 panto, KotH: I was offline for a minute.. This did not solve it after all. I do notice now that the route command gives slightly different output. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f763b41b6c489375b31e Jun 04 09:26:02 * ericvrp is a bit clueless Jun 04 09:26:28 ericvrp, you have network problems Jun 04 09:26:42 is fritz.box at 192.168.178.1 ? Jun 04 09:26:49 yes Jun 04 09:26:54 panto: yeah that is the default network it uses Jun 04 09:27:01 your resolver is MIA Jun 04 09:27:19 there's nothing bad with the BBB h/w Jun 04 09:27:36 you need to debug your network Jun 04 09:27:48 tcpdump is installed on the bone Jun 04 09:27:50 yeah some of the fritz box firmwares had an issue with dnssec or something odd and the resolver locked up Jun 04 09:28:20 have fun deciphering tcpdumps :) Jun 04 09:28:30 recent firmwares have fixed it mostly Jun 04 09:28:35 and connman logs should be of help Jun 04 09:29:14 makes me appreciate how well this simple cheap DSL modem/router handles our network Jun 04 09:29:24 tcpdump and tshark are awesome Jun 04 09:30:09 m_billybob: Yeah routers are sort of hit and miss, fritz is good router but like many before it the firmware can let it down Jun 04 09:31:05 * panto was in the router business 10y+ ago Jun 04 09:31:08 Version of the firmware currently installed: 99.05.22 Jun 04 09:31:08 No firmware was found that is newer than the installed version. Jun 04 09:31:09 ericvrp: if you dont know how to handle it, dont have it enabled in your network already, then there is no point in doing ipv6 on the bbb, is there? Jun 04 09:31:10 Unfortunately: Jun 04 09:31:13 killed by the cheap .cn crap Jun 04 09:31:38 So it seems I am missing a daemonize function in the 3.8 kernel so this damn driver won't install Jun 04 09:31:49 well won't compile Jun 04 09:32:08 KotH: I don't know what you're saying here. Jun 04 09:32:41 ericvrp: why are you trying to get ipv6 working? Jun 04 09:32:47 ericvrp: what problem are you trying to solve with that? Jun 04 09:33:17 wolfeidau, ? Jun 04 09:33:26 what daemonize function? Jun 04 09:34:00 Yes I agree this is beyond my knowledge. I don;t want IPv6! I had it disabled and that's fine. I just want the bbb to work. (or fix my network, whatever) Jun 04 09:35:07 ericvrp, the bbb works fine Jun 04 09:35:19 ericvrp: ok... Jun 04 09:35:20 panto: please. Jun 04 09:35:21 your network setup makes the resolver to go away Jun 04 09:35:28 oke Jun 04 09:35:36 panto: something to do with realtek drivers and this file supposedly used to provide a daemonize function drivers/net/wireless/rtl8192cu/os_dep/osdep_service.c Jun 04 09:35:36 ericvrp: i missed what your original network prob was Jun 04 09:35:40 hardcode a resolver entry Jun 04 09:35:42 ericvrp: where did you start? Jun 04 09:35:49 First of over 100 devices that shows this problem. But yes could still be my network. Jun 04 09:36:01 Need to check the kernel source history and dig up where the hell it went to Jun 04 09:36:27 wolfeidau: daemonize? a driver? that sounds... weird.... Jun 04 09:36:35 ericvrp, you still haven't provided any substantial data that would help us fix that for you Jun 04 09:36:39 KotH: Yeah it is realtek.. Jun 04 09:37:06 like, tcpdumps of the dhcp transactions Jun 04 09:37:08 We have a driver that works on 3.2 linux on the BBW Jun 04 09:37:08 I guess I need some handholding then. Because I'm doing the best I can. Jun 04 09:37:09 connman logs Jun 04 09:37:11 etc Jun 04 09:37:35 wolfeidau, a daemonize function in a driver sounds incredibly bad Jun 04 09:37:59 ok silly question, im by far not a network expert but is this one of those types of routers that has a limit of 100 dhcp leases ? Jun 04 09:38:16 wolfeidau: OMG... that ... code... is... ugly.... Jun 04 09:38:18 But we are in the process of moving to the BBB and this stupid driver is not compiling Jun 04 09:38:21 m_billybob, you wouldn't get an address then Jun 04 09:38:40 KotH: OK well that bodes well for me :P Jun 04 09:38:52 makes sense Jun 04 09:38:54 wolfeidau, osdep_service.c seems like HAL crud Jun 04 09:39:11 yeah this driver is a mess Jun 04 09:39:21 wolfeidau: i'm surprised it made it even into the kernel... Jun 04 09:39:27 m_billybob: I don't know. looking for connman logs Jun 04 09:39:31 wolfeidau: it's mixed with ndis code.. which is normally not allowed Jun 04 09:40:03 KotH: The issue is right this is driver for those little wifi dongles you see everywhere the tiny ones Jun 04 09:40:49 There are like 4 different chips and they are all stuffed atm Jun 04 09:41:10 oh.. Jun 04 09:41:16 And yeah I don't think they would be permitted to add that crap again by the sounds of it Jun 04 09:41:31 wolfeidau: i wish you good luck... and a lot of chocolate to compensate if you havent Jun 04 09:42:06 I found one solid lead https://www.olimex.com/forum/index.php?topic=433.30 Jun 04 09:42:36 sounds like arch linux guys have a fix or some sort of work around Jun 04 10:04:42 Anyone know of a good guide to installing your own kernel on the BBB? Mostly just following along with the scripts in https://github.com/RobertCNelson/omap-image-builder Jun 04 10:14:20 * ericvrp eversince monitoring connman logs with "journalctl -f" issue not popping up anymore Jun 04 10:14:59 HI Jun 04 10:16:51 I AM using beagle bone black board with lattest iage when update i got the error like below Angstrom v2012.12 - Kernel 3.8.13 dhcppc2 login: root Last login: Sat Jan 1 00:03:27 UTC 2000 on ttyO0 root@dhcppc2:~# opkg update Downloading http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/v2012.12/ipk/eglibc/armv7a-vfp-neon/base/Packages.gz. Inflating http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/v2012.12/ipk/eglibc/armv7a-vfp-neon/base/P Jun 04 10:20:39 panto: connman output...https://gist.github.com/anonymous/762205a041b636cc917a Jun 04 10:21:07 ok, that explains it Jun 04 10:21:12 it choked on something Jun 04 10:21:23 but it will restart Jun 04 10:22:00 you'll have to start connman with more debugging Jun 04 10:22:42 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ConnMan/Debugging Jun 04 10:23:28 and https://lists.connman.net/pipermail/connman/2011-March/004408.html Jun 04 10:23:37 it is possibly a bug in connman Jun 04 10:24:17 connman *is* a bug Jun 04 10:25:22 anyone ever got oprofile to work on BBB with 3.8.13 kernel? Jun 04 10:28:21 kfoltman, haven't tried, but people reported some problems Jun 04 10:29:15 panto: it mostly caused total board lock-ups for me, either shortly after starting the daemon, or on opreport Jun 04 10:29:38 I'd file that in the problems dpt Jun 04 10:30:14 if you can get a backtrace or something it would help Jun 04 10:30:36 panto: now trying to reproduce with connmand -c -d Jun 04 10:32:18 it seems to occur with my HP Officejet and Western Digital NAS turned on... Jun 04 10:32:29 panto: dpt? the problem with backtrace is that the kernel seems to freeze immediately, without printing any oopses or anything comparable Jun 04 10:32:53 at least on the serial console Jun 04 10:33:22 but it's angstrom so perhaps it prints them to the HDMI output (which is blanked because I don't have a keyboard connected, just an audio interface) Jun 04 10:33:47 ericvrp, maybe it's some kind of zeroconf crap that connman listens to, it's malformed or something, and it chokes Jun 04 10:34:02 kfoltman, err, no Jun 04 10:34:14 kfoltman: perf also causes a hard lock Jun 04 10:34:14 it should dump crap on the serial console Jun 04 10:34:30 kfoltman: could be related Jun 04 10:56:22 wtf, people still use oprofile? Jun 04 10:57:46 perf isn't exactly flawless Jun 04 10:58:01 no, but it usually works much better than oprofile Jun 04 10:58:38 when it works Jun 04 10:59:21 perf and oprofile are just different frontends to the performance counters Jun 04 10:59:33 that much is true Jun 04 10:59:36 if the counter backend is busted, neither will work Jun 04 10:59:44 that would make sence Jun 04 10:59:46 although perf has a whole bunch of other things too Jun 04 11:00:21 so when does oprofile work and not perf? Jun 04 11:01:32 perf is a bitch to cross compile for starters Jun 04 11:01:32 mru: oprofile works? Jun 04 11:01:41 panto: works fine here Jun 04 11:01:47 that's not the point Jun 04 11:01:53 huh? Jun 04 11:02:02 you say it's a bitch, I say there's no problem Jun 04 11:02:48 kfoltman: I haven't used oprofile in a _long_ time Jun 04 11:03:24 good morning mru! Jun 04 11:03:34 moaning, KotH Jun 04 11:03:42 mru: did you have your daily dose of swiss chocolate already? Jun 04 11:03:47 no Jun 04 11:04:31 mru: so both perf and oprofile are using the same kernel-level performance counters? haven't heard of perf before Jun 04 11:04:53 panto: Not to much new/useful information from journalctrl I'm afraid. Could it be that connman logs somewhere else too? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c81835925e01cd1754d2 Jun 04 11:05:19 ericvrp, kill the connman service Jun 04 11:06:47 I think it killed itself already. If I start connmand from the commandline by "connmand -n -d" the BBB hangs. Jun 04 11:06:49 mru: well.. then get some! Jun 04 11:07:32 the bbb hangs? Jun 04 11:07:38 are you connecting via ssh? Jun 04 11:08:00 hangs is in . I can't ssh into it anymore. yes via ssh Jun 04 11:08:39 sounds like dead network to me Jun 04 11:08:43 can't ping to it either Jun 04 11:08:52 ericvrp, connman reconfigures the interface Jun 04 11:08:54 hanging by the ethernet cable? Jun 04 11:09:02 you need to login via a non-network interface Jun 04 11:09:13 why do people insist on "using" connman? Jun 04 11:09:21 haha Jun 04 11:09:23 mru: piano wire around the neck and hands glued to head Jun 04 11:09:26 I've _never_ heard of it cause anything but trouble Jun 04 11:09:50 mru: connman ships with angstrom, people don't know any better Jun 04 11:10:13 it has gotten a lot better recently, 1.13+ Jun 04 11:10:14 Do ArchLinux and Debian use connman too. Because I get the same problem with those distributions. Jun 04 11:10:20 ericvrp: no Jun 04 11:10:32 jackmitchell: so why do the distros insist on it? Jun 04 11:10:37 I know archlinux uses netcfg or netctl if it's a new version Jun 04 11:10:48 what's wrong with iproute2? Jun 04 11:10:54 mru: dunno Jun 04 11:11:02 or dhcpcd if you need that Jun 04 11:11:17 mru: you'd need to know stuff Jun 04 11:11:38 mru: can't do that if you grew up with xenix and cp/m Jun 04 11:29:51 lunch Jun 04 12:15:46 Hello, can anyone help me concerning a beagleboard cape (especially CanBus Cape)? Jun 04 12:15:53 kelvinji: 1) private messages are frowned upon Jun 04 12:16:24 kelvinji: 2) "notice" messages in irc are meant for automatically generated messages, and not meant to be written by humans Jun 04 12:33:59 KotH: how about ctcp? Jun 04 12:36:39 Hi folks. I have netinstalled a version onto a 4GB crd and have booted ok. It is going throught the configuration however it looks like it is having troube with the ethernet connection. It can ping it's own addres however it cannot ping outside. I have check most of the network settings files and it looks ok. Jun 04 12:37:00 However if I boot with another version the network works fine. Jun 04 12:37:51 marcwolf, route cmd dump plz? Jun 04 12:38:16 It is running on the micro kernal busybox so I don;t have much commands running Jun 04 12:38:22 marcwolf, and https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c81835925e01cd1754d2 Jun 04 12:38:37 check journal output for a connman crash Jun 04 12:39:37 Ok - I have route table Jun 04 12:40:20 I'll seperate columns with @ ok Jun 04 12:41:10 Sotty - I'll try # Jun 04 12:41:51 default # 192.168.1.1 # 0.0.0.0 # UG # 0 # 0 # 0 # eth0 Jun 04 12:42:10 <_Sy_> Hi, just got home and am trying to follow the steps on Getting Started (Openembedded.org), have a virtualbox running ubuntu, opened terminal window and typed in: Jun 04 12:42:11 <_Sy_> sudo apt-get install gawk wget git-core diffstat unzip texinfo build-essential chrpath libsdl1.2-dev xterm Jun 04 12:42:16 <_Sy_> but it fails with: Jun 04 12:42:50 192.168.1.0 # * # 255.255.255.0 # U # 0 # 0 # 0 # eth0 Jun 04 12:42:56 <_Sy_> E: Unable to locate package textinfo Jun 04 12:42:57 Those are the only two lines Jun 04 12:43:19 _Sy_: try replacing texinfo with texinfo4, that _might_ work Jun 04 12:43:20 <_Sy_> : Unable to locate package libsdll.2.dev Jun 04 12:43:44 _Sy_: apt-get search libsdl, will help you find the most recent libsdl Jun 04 12:43:50 <_Sy_> tried it, doesn't help Jun 04 12:43:51 marcwolf, -> pastebin.com Jun 04 12:44:01 pick the one which is libsdlx.x-dev Jun 04 12:44:08 the veriosn number might have been revved Jun 04 12:44:22 do an apt-get search texinfo too and see what you get Jun 04 12:45:21 I have some problem with my beaglebone A6, it doesn't recognize my can bus cape, any advices ? Jun 04 12:45:40 windu: have you tried the latest beaglebone image? Jun 04 12:46:07 <_Sy_> I would copy to pastebin if the damn copy would work :{ Jun 04 12:46:30 Panto I have looked at the syslog and it is saying the eth0 is connected Jun 04 12:47:13 journalctl | grep connman Jun 04 12:47:28 windu, can bus support is being worked on Jun 04 12:47:29 _Sy_: try apt-get update, then apt-get install texinfo Jun 04 12:47:42 but, what kind of can bus do you have? what does the capemanager spit out? Jun 04 12:48:26 jackmitchell, I am downloading it, the last image I'm using is : "Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.04.13.img" Jun 04 12:48:42 that's ancient Jun 04 12:49:22 try http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/beaglebone/test-BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.04.img.xz Jun 04 12:49:36 Panto I am looking in /var/log/syslog is that correct Jun 04 12:49:39 no Jun 04 12:49:45 <_Sy_> http://pastebin.com/b2X7cR3M Jun 04 12:49:48 <_Sy_> try that Jun 04 12:49:51 if you're using angstrom you're using journal Jun 04 12:49:55 panto, ok then, I was not aware Jun 04 12:49:56 journalctl | grep connman Jun 04 12:50:02 I am using Debian Jun 04 12:50:03 windu, np Jun 04 12:50:03 _Sy_: did you run sudo apt-get update Jun 04 12:50:13 Debian Wheezy 7 Jun 04 12:50:18 _Sy_: ah I see what is wrong Jun 04 12:50:19 windu, just do dmesg | grep cape Jun 04 12:50:29 _Sy_: you're miss-spelling packages Jun 04 12:50:39 textinfo != texinfo Jun 04 12:50:42 <_Sy_> me2, just seen it texinfo not textinfo Jun 04 12:50:50 libsdll.2-dev != libsdl1.2-dev Jun 04 12:50:58 <_Sy_> yep, ty, saw that too Jun 04 12:51:00 <_Sy_> working now Jun 04 12:51:18 <_Sy_> installing now Jun 04 12:52:13 panto, no output after the dmesg | grep cape command, Jun 04 12:53:51 Panto.. sorry - I am using Debian Wheezy Jun 04 12:54:01 windu, ? Jun 04 12:54:08 pastebin the whole dmesg output Jun 04 12:54:50 panto, after a full dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/snG5nMLK I dont know where this come from Jun 04 12:55:32 windu, your pc connected to usb is acting funny Jun 04 12:55:46 issue dmesg quickly after bootup Jun 04 12:57:50 panto, I found this thread about the dmesg issue : https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/?place=forum/beagleboard&showsearch=true&showpopout=true&showtabs=true&hideforumtitle=true&parenturl=http://beagleboard.org/Community/Forums&afterlogin&pli=1#!searchin/beagleboard/gadget$3A$20rndis$20reqa1.01$20v0000$20i0000$20l4096/beagleboard/UpBMen0P3b8/Vq8XVi_a3OEJ Jun 04 12:59:55 panto, I am running Windows 8. Do you think it is a power supply issue? Jun 04 13:00:52 mru, ^^^ hardwarebug quote? Jun 04 13:01:10 windu, disconnect from pc and use a dc power supply Jun 04 13:01:33 I doubt your can cape will work with just the usb juice Jun 04 13:02:29 bradfa: thanks, added Jun 04 13:02:35 sans context of course Jun 04 13:05:57 mru, yes, it's best without context Jun 04 13:06:19 everything is Jun 04 13:06:27 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/33 Jun 04 13:06:55 <_av500_> and it was my misquote :) Jun 04 13:07:14 what was it? Jun 04 13:07:36 I could probably find it in my logs... Jun 04 13:09:38 <_Sy_> Are they're any licensing issues to be aware of with Angstrom ? Jun 04 13:09:46 _Sy_, yes Jun 04 13:10:18 just like every other thing that ships a lot of GPL and other FOSS licensed code Jun 04 13:10:59 bradfa: Given that metric, there are licensing 'issues' with everything, anyway. Jun 04 13:11:06 kfoltman, yes Jun 04 13:11:27 bradfa: I guess the intention behind that question might have been 'are there any non-free packages in angstrom'? Jun 04 13:11:34 <_Sy_> If a company use's Angstrom in a commerial product is there anything to pay? Jun 04 13:11:56 <_Sy_> kfoltman, correct Jun 04 13:12:01 _Sy_, it depends on if your build output contains anything that requires payment Jun 04 13:12:29 _Sy_: but bradfa is correct in that you need to be aware of licensing for each individual package rather than angstrom as such Jun 04 13:12:31 kfoltman, there's nothing stopping anyone from including software in their product that violates the laws, by not paying or otherwise Jun 04 13:12:48 <_Sy_> For my own applications, I plan to use Angstrom to be the host for lighthttpd, php and mysql and my own software Jun 04 13:13:12 _Sy_, get the licenses for all the software you will use, read them, determine how to comply Jun 04 13:13:14 bradfa: other than threat of litigation, no, I suppose :) Jun 04 13:13:58 kfoltman, see busybox and https://www.softwarefreedom.org/ Jun 04 13:14:01 <_Sy_> mysql is the only one I'm no longer sure on, since its acquisition by Oracle....its a bit cloudy....Oracle keep ringing up trying to sell support Jun 04 13:14:06 bradfa: yes, a few folks that used busybox without complying with the license learned it the hard way :D Jun 04 13:14:29 basic rules are: don't be a dick and try to comply Jun 04 13:14:46 better written as (don't be a dick) and (try to comply) Jun 04 13:14:53 panto, I still have the same problem even with power supply 5V, 2A (same dmesg output) Jun 04 13:14:54 then you're probably mostly fine Jun 04 13:15:01 _Sy_: if I were you, I'd stay away from mysql - no matter what the license is, the rights-owner is proven to be a bit of a dick ;/ Jun 04 13:15:13 if you show you've made an effort but miss some detail, most copyright owners will be forgiving Jun 04 13:15:23 as long as you fix it when it's pointed out Jun 04 13:15:47 _Sy_: Oracle legal dept is a 500lbs gorilla with anger issues, basically Jun 04 13:15:58 _Sy_, if you use the right version of mysql, it should be GPL Jun 04 13:16:03 <_Sy_> I'm sure your right...same as google... Jun 04 13:16:23 well, in oracle vs google, it was oracle who was an aggressor - but, yes, I wouldn't mess with google either Jun 04 13:16:24 _Sy_, please don't put a database on an SD card Jun 04 13:16:35 bradfa: FAT32 patents? Jun 04 13:16:42 or just wear-levelling issues Jun 04 13:16:48 <_Sy_> why not ? Jun 04 13:16:53 kfoltman, SD cards suck at wear leveling Jun 04 13:17:03 kfoltman, FAT patents expired now, no? Jun 04 13:17:26 <_Sy_> What other options is available to me? Memory stick? Jun 04 13:17:31 bradfa: I have no idea... I guess USB flash drives are in the same category, wear-levelling-wise Jun 04 13:17:48 _Sy_, spinning rust, eMMC, real SSD Jun 04 13:17:54 eMMC? Jun 04 13:18:02 kfoltman, USB flash drives suck, too, yes Jun 04 13:18:21 are eMMC any different from SD? why/how? Jun 04 13:18:22 <_Sy_> I have two BBB's configured for HA, eMMC is almost out of space, might be able to reclaim a bit when I build my own images without the GUI, firefox etc. Jun 04 13:18:22 eMMC -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eMMC Jun 04 13:18:59 bradfa: I know what's eMMC (I have one on my BBB :P) but it's just flash+mcu, just like SD, so why would they be any better? Jun 04 13:19:11 kfoltman, wear leveling won't suck as much Jun 04 13:19:12 <_Sy_> I don't need huge amounts of space for the application I have in mind, I might even be able to get away with using SQLite Jun 04 13:19:42 _Sy_: sure, but the wear levelling issue doesn't depend (that much) on the DB engine Jun 04 13:19:47 _Sy_, just don't put the database on any managed flash that's built for consumer cameras and you'll be fine, most likely Jun 04 13:20:07 compact flash isn't horrible Jun 04 13:20:43 it probably requires GPMC for efficient connection, no? Jun 04 13:20:44 _Sy_, if you insist on buying SD cards and doing bad things with them, buy Samsung, at least you'll get decent quality parts Jun 04 13:20:55 <_Sy_> I use compact flash in our product that I work with daily, depends very much on manufacturer, some corrupt very easily, others don't Jun 04 13:21:00 kfoltman, on am335x, no idea Jun 04 13:21:13 probably Jun 04 13:21:23 Q.. has anyone hwere used Simplecv on Angstrom Jun 04 13:21:34 <_Sy_> I have kingston and San-Disk Jun 04 13:22:01 sandisk and samsung are usually good Jun 04 13:22:05 kingston is pure lottery Jun 04 13:22:19 _Sy_, throw kingston cards in garbage, spit on them first if you want good luck Jun 04 13:22:35 sandisk is somewhat a lottery, just you're more likely to win Jun 04 13:22:36 <_Sy_> :), cheap as chips now Jun 04 13:22:39 they're good enough for storing MLO Jun 04 13:22:51 and by win, I mean not fail horribly Jun 04 13:22:52 <_Sy_> there are plenty of fakes around too, claiming to be sandisk and aren't Jun 04 13:23:06 _Sy_, not from legit vendors, sandisk clamps down on that quite well Jun 04 13:23:18 good luck finding a legit vendor in china Jun 04 13:23:33 china is a very interesting place Jun 04 13:23:35 mru, heh, I'm sure there's 1 or 2 Jun 04 13:23:38 * kfoltman spits on his 1GB kingston (or "kingston") pendrive with 50% chance of data corruption when used for system images Jun 04 13:24:40 mru, but if you buy 10's of millions of units, sandisk will talk direct :) Jun 04 13:24:50 <_Sy_> had a difficult time preparing an sd-card the other day, windows would only see an 8Gb card as 1GB, fortunately I also have a MAC book pro and that saw it with two individual partitions, was able to delete them and reformat. Jun 04 13:25:06 8Gb = 1 GB :P Jun 04 13:25:10 _Sy_, I don't know how to respond to that Jun 04 13:25:25 _Sy_, please at least use Ubuntu Jun 04 13:25:30 <_Sy_> Sorry, should have written 8GB, it is 8GB. Jun 04 13:25:44 <_Sy_> I have ubuntu on virtual machine in windows 7 64. Jun 04 13:26:13 * bradfa gets back to work, tata Jun 04 13:26:19 <_Sy_> I have quite a few systems actually, having 4 kids.... Jun 04 13:30:39 windows by default only sees the first partition on an SD card Jun 04 13:32:28 one partition ought to be enough for everyone Jun 04 13:35:26 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/EHf0Zw Jun 04 13:35:26 kernel/3.8 821c3a6 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add DT GPIO helper... Jun 04 13:35:30 morning Jun 04 13:35:59 meowning Jun 04 13:37:24 am I missing something? the PRU-ICSS instruction set doesn't appear to be in the reference guide Jun 04 13:37:34 spruh73c Jun 04 13:37:39 +1 Jun 04 13:38:31 huh weird Jun 04 13:38:43 they sure disappeared that section in spruh73h Jun 04 13:38:48 yup Jun 04 13:38:53 how come? Jun 04 13:39:47 TI decided it was too complex for customers Jun 04 13:39:49 Did anyone get opencv python to work on their BBB? (help needed) Jun 04 13:39:50 (not a joke) Jun 04 13:39:58 biot: politics Jun 04 13:40:20 like customers .. if they ask too many questions just get rid of them Jun 04 13:40:35 hmm, looks like it spun off into am335xPruReferenceGuide.pdf Jun 04 13:41:00 Guser: using python with opencv will likely kill the already poor performance Jun 04 13:41:30 Rickta59: like in the river? Jun 04 13:42:47 koen: there are some good examples of it performing very good on other boards. I just need it for testing purposes anyway... I can't get it to work at all. Jun 04 13:44:12 Angstorm used to have a package called "opencv-python" but it doesn't exist anymore. furthermore, Angstorm IRC channel is dead and there is 0 info about the python-opencv package. Jun 04 13:45:15 I might need to switch OS just to try openCV in python. :-\ Jun 04 13:51:36 there's a car across the street with licence plate E3EER Jun 04 13:53:19 <_Sy_> Hyst reading the openemedded docs....is anyone here familiar with it? Jun 04 13:53:39 <_Sy_> *Just Jun 04 13:54:25 <_Sy_> I don't understand the doc. where it shows an example of Conditional metadata: Jun 04 13:54:45 <_Sy_> The example makes no sense to me... In this example, TEST would be osspecificvalue, due to the condition “os†being in OVERRIDES. Jun 04 13:57:02 hi! Jun 04 13:57:29 ¡ol Jun 04 14:01:12 when using the spi interface on a bone, do i have to use the pinmux settings for setting pin directions to outputs and inputs or does this happen automatically? Jun 04 14:03:55 you have to set the pinmux settings Jun 04 14:04:11 looks in the firmware/capes/ directory for spi capes that do that Jun 04 14:06:06 oh... then this might be the reason for my radio not working well Jun 04 14:09:19 <_Sy_> who is the right person to talk to with regard to http://docs.openembedded.org/bitbake/html/ch02.html Jun 04 14:09:44 * KotH points at panto and koen Jun 04 14:09:56 <_Sy_> ty Jun 04 14:10:39 koen is your best bet Jun 04 14:10:45 I'm a kernel monkey mainly Jun 04 14:11:07 <_Sy_> Panto or Koen, the documentation of 'some' of the methods don't really make sense, can you clarify how, Conditional metadata set is supposed to work, as it really doesn't read very clearly to me Jun 04 14:13:25 When I create a ubi-static-volume with "ubimkvol", how to write a kernel-image into that new static-ubi-volume? Jun 04 14:13:31 _Sy_, wait for koen to show up Jun 04 14:13:42 I only know my way around OE, he's the expert Jun 04 14:14:01 <_Sy_> ok, ty Jun 04 14:14:32 <_Sy_> I think like lots of technical documentation it assumes you are on the same wave length as the author... Jun 04 14:15:07 <_Sy_> Meaning....I know what I meant when I wrote it, but no one else will. Jun 04 14:26:45 _Sy_, also try asking in #oe Jun 04 14:30:43 mourning all. Jun 04 14:30:53 hi ka6sox Jun 04 14:31:07 how goes panto? Jun 04 14:31:15 ok I guess Jun 04 14:33:03 hello ka6sox Jun 04 14:33:19 mourning vvu Jun 04 14:33:22 _Sy_: sure, a lot of writing in general is assuming some context or insight that many readers won't have (either because the explanation is skipping some steps as 'obvious' for the writer, or relying on some essential piece of information that is not provided or even referenced) - which is why it usually takes more than one source to understand difficult subjects Jun 04 14:33:41 vvu did your cable arrive? Jun 04 14:34:16 yup! everything is here. kernel sees rndis device when i connect the bbb(in usb boot mode) with it Jun 04 14:35:07 does the java api on android look like it will work? Jun 04 14:35:49 mourning ka6sox Jun 04 14:35:58 yes at 1st sight it seems that it will work. my nexus 7 needs custom kernel to implement host support...now i need to see how that api behaves with it. Jun 04 14:36:40 2night i will do more digging. now i want to make a small piece of code to print all vip/pid connected Jun 04 14:37:12 mouin ka6sox Jun 04 14:37:49 i`m off to the market, brb later! Jun 04 14:40:18 mourning bradfa KotH Jun 04 14:42:58 <_Sy_> sorry was in the gargen cooking bbq....will try to discuss subjects with koen l8r. Jun 04 14:49:21 is there a problem with gdm-greeter on beaglebone black Jun 04 15:02:37 <_Sy_> Is there a good walk through of how to set-up, what you need guide for cross-platform development, ideally,I'm looking for something that tells me what I need with a simple hello world to test it. Jun 04 15:05:06 _Sy_, http://www.embeddedcomputingconference.ch/pdf_2011/3B2-Buechi.pdf Jun 04 15:05:41 <_Sy_> ty, looking now Jun 04 15:08:22 <_Sy_> Ok, very pretty but doesn't really tell me much, I have a virtual machine running ubuntu, I want to use that as a host for something like eclipse to develop and download to the BBB....I'm not sure what I need on the host, toolchains, compilers etc? Jun 04 15:08:55 _Sy_: install ubuntu arm toolchain, cross compile code, copy to beagle, run Jun 04 15:09:55 <_Sy_> will do, I'm running Angstrom on the BBB, so is it still the ubuntu arm toolchain? Jun 04 15:10:15 _Sy_: the ubuntu arm toolchain, is just an ARM toolchain provided by Ubuntu Jun 04 15:10:48 the distro (Angstrom) is not relevant, the arm achitecture is what's important Jun 04 15:13:20 <_Sy_> This one ? http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBoard#BeagleBoard-GCCToolchain Jun 04 16:01:31 Hmm. You can build stuff with that toolchain, but if you start building complex programs that depend on shared libraries, you may find things that you build that don't run on the BBB due to dynamic link issues. Jun 04 16:02:46 Angstrom's build system actually builds its own toolchain, and it can export the toolchain as a tarball. I believe it's available from the angstrom site. Jun 04 16:04:25 The best documentation for how Angstrom's build system works (it's based on OpenEmbedded) is from the Yocto Project, which is a group that co-maintains the OpenEmbedded Core build tools and core metadata along with the rest of the OpenEmbedded Community. Jun 04 16:04:35 <_Sy_> At work I develop stuff in Momentics which is the QNX flavour of eclipse, when it comes to testing I use qconn on the remote target and remotely debug, is it possible to do the same with the BBB ? Jun 04 16:04:40 <_Sy_> using Angstrom ? Jun 04 16:05:04 put qnx on it :) Jun 04 16:05:16 Hey, I'm a QNX dev too! Jun 04 16:05:48 the only problem I had with qnx was that memalign() is buggy for certain magic sizes Jun 04 16:05:52 <_Sy_> I use QNX at work on x86 processors....but I would like to keep the BBB Angstrom unless someone can give me a good reason not to. Jun 04 16:06:23 If you look at the Yocto documentation, it describes how to set up some eclipse-based tools. Jun 04 16:07:47 The only problem is that the Yocto documentation is written in the context of the Poky system rather than the Angstrom system; both are based on OE Core, but there are a few differences in the way they work. Jun 04 16:09:03 _Sy_, IIRC there is nothing special for BBB and eclipse Jun 04 16:09:28 if you google around you'll find an arm guy that did debugging on the bone using ARM's IDE Jun 04 16:10:35 panto: BDI for life? :P Jun 04 16:10:56 ehh, I'm not that much of a fan of IDEs Jun 04 16:11:04 but whatever floats your boat Jun 04 16:11:12 <_Sy_> ok, I'll see how far I get with the toolchain....so am I right in thinking that the toolchain allows you to write on a ubuntu host then you download it to the board? Jun 04 16:11:24 panto: does come in handly debugging threads Jun 04 16:11:32 mranostay, hardly Jun 04 16:11:34 Nothing specific to BBB, but Yocto's eclipse plugin ought to be usable if you import the right layer into your Angstrom build. Jun 04 16:11:38 a working brain comes handier Jun 04 16:11:44 +1 Jun 04 16:11:47 that and printf Jun 04 16:11:53 panto: java people remember :) Jun 04 16:11:59 bah Jun 04 16:12:24 well... Jun 04 16:12:33 printf is a terrible way to debug threads. :P Jun 04 16:12:34 gdb runs on the bbb as well Jun 04 16:13:02 levi: if you are building a threaded application and do not first test it on your desktop system, then you should apply for a working brain Jun 04 16:13:24 servus mhaberler Jun 04 16:13:32 mhaberler: how's the water level? Jun 04 16:13:55 hallo! Jun 04 16:13:56 hold on.. Jun 04 16:14:09 KotH: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nq1viEXYWSE/Ua3IPkk68RI/AAAAAAAAOvc/iKq2HvA7b3g/w604-h769-no/ Jun 04 16:14:22 KotH: can you debug with chocolate? Jun 04 16:14:32 not much better here: http://derstandard.at/1369362497281/Hochwasser-am-Dienstag-Weiter-Zittern-an-der-Donau Jun 04 16:14:34 KotH: That's my normal approach, but it's hardly the only valid one, especially with embedded development. Jun 04 16:14:40 mranostay: no, but it will make you feel better Jun 04 16:15:10 if you need to debug a threaded application, you should apply for a working brain Jun 04 16:15:15 mru: rotfl Jun 04 16:15:37 mranostay: a large supply of chocolate is very important for successful debugging Jun 04 16:15:43 if you couldn't make it work correctly, there's no way you'll be able to fix it Jun 04 16:16:06 morning emeb Jun 04 16:16:21 mru: most approaches to threaded applications are brain dead Jun 04 16:16:22 ka6sox: good morning to you (again) Jun 04 16:16:23 <_Sy_> I've now got the toolchain downloaded, extracted and installed, whats next? Jun 04 16:16:32 he he Jun 04 16:16:35 KotH: exactly Jun 04 16:16:39 mru: tons of locks and and atomic variables... Jun 04 16:16:50 emeb, must have been pre-coffee Jun 04 16:16:56 KotH: but that defeats te purpose Jun 04 16:16:58 mru: and people often do not realize they have apps that exhibit priority inversion and chaining... Jun 04 16:16:58 ka6sox: any weight loss tips today? Jun 04 16:17:23 mru: who cares? boss said it has to be threaded, so we make it threaded Jun 04 16:17:26 ka6sox: my prior incarnation w/ _mac Jun 04 16:17:37 mru: or: use threaded as an excuse why you are 3 years late Jun 04 16:17:48 ?Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.? ?Brian Kernighan Jun 04 16:17:58 _Sy_: read up on how to use that toolchain Jun 04 16:18:02 panto: exactly Jun 04 16:18:15 mranostay, some of the girls @ my son's school thought it would be cute to give him trial subscriptions to Shape and Elle and Glamour magazines... Jun 04 16:18:26 hehe Jun 04 16:18:37 <_Sy_> http://www.lvr.com/eclipse1.htm Jun 04 16:18:43 ka6sox: lol Jun 04 16:18:48 ka6sox: did he read it? Jun 04 16:19:26 he opened them one of them and exclaimed: This is a GIRLS magazine....YUCK... Jun 04 16:19:34 lol Jun 04 16:19:34 <_Sy_> Where? The site http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBoard#BeagleBoard-GCCToolchain doesn't exactly give any direction on what to do after Jun 04 16:19:36 ka6sox: how old is he? Jun 04 16:19:40 11 Jun 04 16:20:18 ka6sox: kids these days Jun 04 16:20:37 ka6sox: at that age, i used to read my mothers "Elle" ... contained "interesting" stuff :) Jun 04 16:20:43 TMI Jun 04 16:20:47 lol Jun 04 16:21:06 heh Jun 04 16:21:19 KotH: oh, that explains a thing or two... Jun 04 16:21:44 mru: know thy enemy :) Jun 04 16:21:56 girls are the enemy? Jun 04 16:22:18 that's a bit harsh Jun 04 16:22:27 mru, well there's a war going on Jun 04 16:23:36 ew cooties! Jun 04 16:24:17 mru: at that age? :) Jun 04 16:24:49 panto: apropos war: what does your news say about the war in the other .gr? Jun 04 16:25:28 there's a war? Jun 04 16:25:34 ok, riots Jun 04 16:25:37 life's a war Jun 04 16:25:40 ka6sox: so has he stop pretending to hate girls yet? :P Jun 04 16:25:41 the cooking magazines we like however Jun 04 16:25:48 I'm sorry, the war has been postponed due to summer being here Jun 04 16:25:53 be back after vacations Jun 04 16:26:04 *paid* vacations... Jun 04 16:26:12 sigh Jun 04 16:26:15 what is that? Jun 04 16:26:25 ask the govt workers Jun 04 16:26:30 it's when you get paid to do nothing Jun 04 16:26:36 oh they're in permanent vacations Jun 04 16:26:39 panto: oh be quiet you contractor :P Jun 04 16:26:40 I still haven't figured out how that's different from "work" Jun 04 16:26:46 and we're the suckers paying for it Jun 04 16:26:48 mru, +1 Jun 04 16:27:07 mru, it's more enjoyable Jun 04 16:27:38 panto: you don't have obligations to visit annoying family? Jun 04 16:27:58 wife's family lives downstairs Jun 04 16:28:05 ouch Jun 04 16:28:38 mru, although the father in law drives me nuts sometimes, the mother in law is cool; plus she's an amazing cook Jun 04 16:28:52 that's +1 right there Jun 04 16:28:52 cooking skills always help Jun 04 16:28:53 panto: heh that is too close for comfort :) Jun 04 16:29:23 I prefer to keep some open sea between me and them Jun 04 16:29:38 no way any of my family members are going to be living in 100 miles radius from me :) Jun 04 16:29:38 land borders don't quite cut it Jun 04 16:29:44 well, _my_ family (brother) lives in another part of town Jun 04 16:29:45 +1 Jun 04 16:29:52 which is much, much better Jun 04 16:29:52 ka6sox: living in the wrong country? ;-> Jun 04 16:31:16 mru, mranostay: what's with you and your families? Jun 04 16:31:28 they're trolls Jun 04 16:33:15 hmmm hard to explain Jun 04 16:33:33 * mranostay thinks of a PC term Jun 04 16:33:39 ok yes.. simple folk Jun 04 16:34:48 <_Sy_> Has anyone had any experience of one of these or something similiar http://www.amazon.co.uk/SATA-Hard-Disk-Cable-Converter/dp/B009C6O1BM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370363647&sr=8-1&keywords=ide+and+sata+to+usb Jun 04 16:35:26 <_Sy_> I have several SATA drives I could use instead of micro SD...if this is an option. Jun 04 16:36:01 mranostay: and what does that mean for someone who didnt grew up in this strange country on the other side of the big pond? Jun 04 16:36:44 _Sy_: i have one that looks very similar. works good. isnt fast Jun 04 16:37:21 <_Sy_> is it an option on BBB ? Jun 04 16:37:37 _Sy_: although, mine came with a power supply Jun 04 16:37:46 <_Sy_> I would imagine its at least as fast as micro SD Jun 04 16:38:01 KotH: hillbillies? without the hills :) Jun 04 16:38:02 panto: does dma work with usb? Jun 04 16:38:08 mranostay: ah...oh... Jun 04 16:38:12 mranostay: educate them :) Jun 04 16:38:17 mranostay: with lots of lead ;) Jun 04 16:38:29 oh they have those items too Jun 04 16:38:41 KotH, not yet Jun 04 16:38:45 bah :) Jun 04 16:40:32 _Sy_: ^^^^ Jun 04 16:41:04 _Sy_: if you want sata, you can buy this other board... commie or how it is called Jun 04 16:42:05 <_Sy_> I'm not keen on USB drives, they don't tend to be reliable.. Jun 04 16:42:14 _Sy_: cubieboard Jun 04 16:42:43 "usb drives" are nothing but sata drives and an adaptor chip Jun 04 16:43:01 mru: this "adaptor" is the culprit... Jun 04 16:43:14 and it's the same chip you'll find in a standalone converter Jun 04 16:43:22 <_Sy_> ok, scratch that then. Jun 04 16:43:24 there are only a handful of such chips Jun 04 16:43:42 <_Sy_> want a good low cost but reliable way of using an external storage device. Jun 04 16:44:22 ah, my replacement drive from seagate has shipped Jun 04 16:44:29 _Sy_: then go for a cupieboard Jun 04 16:44:34 _Sy_: it has native sata Jun 04 16:44:39 wonder what they're sending Jun 04 16:44:45 _Sy_: but i dont know how well the linux support is yet Jun 04 16:44:58 _Sy_: they are quite new as well.. and they neither have panto nor koen :) Jun 04 16:45:09 _Sy_: well, one reason why USB drives might be unreliable because they're carried/thrown around/used as football etc. Jun 04 16:45:31 not the "USB" factor but the "portable" factor Jun 04 16:45:41 <_Sy_> I'm really referring to when if you don't ejected them, they tend to loose the data last written to them. Jun 04 16:45:49 <_Sy_> or if the power is cut. Jun 04 16:46:03 _Sy_: but that's not the drives fault Jun 04 16:46:13 no the reason they're unreliable is cause price is the only thing that matter Jun 04 16:46:13 _Sy_: nothing prevents you from layer 8 failures Jun 04 16:46:17 well, that's also "portable/hot-pluggable" factor, not because they're connected via USB Jun 04 16:46:27 their controllers are retarded and corners are cut with wild abandon Jun 04 16:47:31 panto: a decent desktop WD drive in a USB enclosure/adapter, permanently connected to a BBB or something comparable, should be no worse than the same drive connected via SATA/PATA to the desktop mainboard, I suppose. Jun 04 16:48:03 kfoltman, yes Jun 04 16:48:21 btw, if you value your data try to mount with journal=data Jun 04 16:48:33 kfoltman: bare from usb<->sata controller failures Jun 04 16:48:38 kfoltman: seen those a few times... Jun 04 16:48:43 <_Sy_> what does that do panto ? Jun 04 16:48:53 _Sy_: man mount Jun 04 16:48:59 _Sy_, you know about journaling fses right? Jun 04 16:49:04 KotH: more often than mechanical failures or reckless user behaviour? Jun 04 16:49:08 but default the journal only works for metadata Jun 04 16:49:09 <_Sy_> no Jun 04 16:49:10 _Sy_: if you are doing linux, you should learn where to look up such information Jun 04 16:49:12 not for contents Jun 04 16:49:28 <_Sy_> ok, will do Jun 04 16:49:38 _Sy_, if you're doing HA you'll need to figure out what it does Jun 04 16:50:01 remember that everyone optimizes for a few % more in benchmarks and plan accordingly Jun 04 16:50:17 kfoltman: hmm.. if i compare the amount of usb drives i use and the amount of such failures vs the amount of "normally" attached drives i use and their failures.... YES! :) Jun 04 16:50:43 kfoltman: but those statistics are flawed at best... and made up on the spot Jun 04 16:51:02 like 93% of all statistics Jun 04 16:51:16 KotH: well, but I assume you know better than to disconnect the drive while it's writing data, and blame the device *ahem* _Sy_ *ahem* Jun 04 16:52:38 KotH: at least knowing the order of magnitude of failures and of the number of samples would be nice to know ;) Jun 04 16:52:53 <_Rotti> hum, i have some problem with a spi device (at86rf230 radio)... basic communication works, device gets probed fine... i can also transmit data via 802.15.4 - but i encounter VERY high packet loss (min 50%)... we use the same circuit on a raspberry pi where it works fine... it seems to be a problem with interrupts: on the pi, i can see a very thin impulse on the interrupt line for each transmitted (rx or tx) packet... on the bone, it is 10 Jun 04 16:52:54 <_Rotti> -50ms long - so many interrupts will get lost Jun 04 16:53:11 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/45Owyg Jun 04 16:53:11 kernel/3.8 c631390 Koen Kooi: 3.8: add fix for HDMI no audio modes and a fallback HDMI no audio virtual cape... Jun 04 16:53:17 KotH: I suppose a 'poor-man's failover' with 4 drives might be easier to implement using USB, too ;) Jun 04 16:53:29 <_Rotti> via DT, i set max-spi-frequency to 3MHz (same on RPi) Jun 04 16:53:40 rather than spending engineering resources in connecting 4 SATA drives Jun 04 16:54:35 <_Rotti> is there any possibility to read the used spi clock frequency from software? Jun 04 16:55:41 kfoltman: at home, i run a file server with ~10 disks since 2000. i had 3 drive failures since i stopped using maxtor drives. one of those was a deathstar that was running for 5 years straight, and two were WD RE4 GP (which aren't sold anymore, guess why) Jun 04 16:56:06 ohh deathstar, had that one, clicky click Jun 04 16:56:50 kfoltman: for a customer we installed last year 2*15 WD caviar blue ide drives. systems running in racks. we had two returned due to drive failure Jun 04 16:57:12 <_Rotti> alan_o: you have been working with a TI (?) radio, mrf24j20 or similar... did you have any problems with lost interrupts? Jun 04 16:57:22 * mranostay harlems shakes out Jun 04 16:57:23 kfoltman: but i guess the caviar blues are the down-run of the process... Jun 04 16:57:28 mranostay: have fun Jun 04 16:57:43 kfoltman: so, standard drives are pretty reliable Jun 04 16:57:57 KotH: I'm using a WD green always-on in the home server (very light load) - I guess I should switch to red or something Jun 04 16:58:02 kfoltman: seen usb<->sata controllers fail once or twice Jun 04 16:58:22 kfoltman: depends on the exact type Jun 04 16:58:47 kfoltman: i had a WD.. something GP in my desktop (also running 24/7), which didnt fail in 8 years... Jun 04 16:58:56 hi, someone already used this report to debian-arm and LCD cape? Jun 04 16:59:04 kfoltman: while the two 2TB drives died exactly after two years Jun 04 16:59:29 bertux: we do not use this report Jun 04 16:59:33 I was thinking of buying a 2TB green for my desktop :S Jun 04 16:59:34 bertux: which ever report "this" is Jun 04 16:59:54 kfoltman: there is more than one type green! Jun 04 16:59:59 kfoltman: these wre RE4 GP Jun 04 17:00:03 KotH: ohh Jun 04 17:00:41 My LCD capa doesn't work angstrom Jun 04 17:00:52 ok, I'm definitely not buying those then, especially with them not being sold :D Jun 04 17:01:03 so, I tried with debian Jun 04 17:01:41 kfoltman: if you value your data, and your disks run 24/7, then buy disks that are rated for 24/7 Jun 04 17:02:27 kfoltman: dont use dekstop disks for 24/7 apps... and dont use 24/7 disks for dekstop apps Jun 04 17:02:48 .o0(how am i able to do the exact same typo twice?) Jun 04 17:03:37 _Rotti: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/5/21/550 Jun 04 17:03:59 KotH: so I thought, move the 2TB caviar green to my desktop (I've been using the 500 GB green until now), and replace it with same-sized caviar red, then I can just boot from a usb drive or something and dd the data from the old drive and it should mostly work Jun 04 17:04:20 KotH: my dekstop disks seem to be ok running 24/7 Jun 04 17:04:38 they last just short of the warranty period, as expected Jun 04 17:05:48 _Rotti: Go to the top of that thread for more details. Basically ping -f would fail after some time. There was an issue in the driver, and also a race condition in the silicon where the irq line would not reset if an interrupt occurred while the interrupt flag was being cleared, causing the falling edge to not happen (and thus not get detected) Jun 04 17:06:17 Oh, and apparently, RPi's can't do level-trigger interrupts Jun 04 17:06:20 mru: some do, some dont... it's a luck game :) Jun 04 17:06:24 * alan_o snickers at RPi Jun 04 17:06:33 alan_o: tell if you find something rpi _can_ do Jun 04 17:06:44 KotH: raid and backups Jun 04 17:06:50 mru: bitbang? Jun 04 17:06:51 mru: especially backups :) Jun 04 17:07:16 alan_o, rofl Jun 04 17:07:43 alan_o: on a measly 16 or whatever gpios Jun 04 17:08:06 <_Rotti> alan_o: thanks, i'll look at this... the strange thing is, it works fine on the pi... is the problem more related to the bbone or the radio (i'm using one from atmel) Jun 04 17:08:12 and that's if you disable all the other interfaces Jun 04 17:08:44 mru: rpi can make people lose 25-50 bucks :) Jun 04 17:08:52 and their hair Jun 04 17:09:03 _Rotti: If it "works" without those patches then you haven't pushed it hard enough :) Jun 04 17:09:34 * alan_o makes sure never to buy an RPi in that case. Jun 04 17:09:51 <_Rotti> oh, we did... but not with the mrf24j40... Jun 04 17:09:59 ah Jun 04 17:10:06 so the at86? Jun 04 17:10:11 <_Rotti> yep Jun 04 17:10:47 What are you losing interrupts on then, radio and board? Jun 04 17:11:38 <_Rotti> on the pi, the interrupts show up as thin spikes... on the bone, they are up to 50ms long... it seems, they won't get handled soon enough Jun 04 17:11:47 Turl: if only it could make people lose 25-50 _pounds_ instead Jun 04 17:11:54 Turl: err... not Sterling Jun 04 17:12:59 _Rotti: The interrupts are level, not edge, ie: they stay down. Jun 04 17:13:16 if you see a spike, it's from the ISR handling it. Jun 04 17:13:16 alan_o: haha Jun 04 17:14:22 <_Rotti> alan_o: yes... that's the point... it seems they are handled very late until the pin gets low again (the at86 uses rising/high active) Jun 04 17:14:44 <_Rotti> i'm trying to find out what spi clock is being used Jun 04 17:15:31 _Rotti, note that you're using cpufreq Jun 04 17:15:39 so the device might be idle at that time Jun 04 17:16:10 if you care about interrupt latency disable the low power idle option in the kernel and stick the cpu at the highest frequency Jun 04 17:16:31 Ugh... this doesn't look fun. I'm trying to add rng_fck to cclock33xx_data.c Jun 04 17:17:39 georgem, nope, not at the least Jun 04 17:17:54 abandon all hope those that enter the clock domain Jun 04 17:18:52 <_Rotti> panto: thanks, but it did not help :( Jun 04 17:19:04 it wasn't meant to Jun 04 17:21:56 panto: it's not that bad Jun 04 17:22:26 either that or I died from it and I'm a zombie now Jun 04 17:22:33 * georgem reads Documentation/clk.txt Jun 04 17:22:34 Turl, as long as you don't mess with a clock that hangs the boot before anything else has a chance to run Jun 04 17:23:24 panto: shutting down the cpu pll, uart or ddr clocks and watching it hang is fun Jun 04 17:25:11 and gating bus clocks, even better Jun 04 17:30:51 don't modify cpufreq.c...thar be dragons... Jun 04 17:34:34 playing with cold spray is fun! :) Jun 04 17:34:41 where does co2 sublimate again? ;) Jun 04 17:35:57 Fun fact: cold spray is basically a can of the refrigerant used in auto air conditioning systems. Jun 04 17:36:17 KotH, I had a board where I could make the PCIe bridge chip stop working if I got it below 60F Jun 04 17:36:49 ka6sox: +60F? Jun 04 17:36:56 ka6sox: or -60°F? Jun 04 17:36:57 yes Jun 04 17:37:01 eh.. what? Jun 04 17:37:04 +60F Jun 04 17:37:15 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane, aka R134a. Highly illegal to discharge into the atmosphere if sold as a refrigerant. Jun 04 17:37:17 broke chip? bad solder joints? Jun 04 17:37:36 it happened on all of our new boards... Jun 04 17:37:40 levi: uhmm.. the one i have here is halogen free Jun 04 17:37:41 and it wasn't a bad solder Jun 04 17:37:55 we went to manuf and they admitted issue Jun 04 17:38:32 levi: i assume it's just some compound that doesnt liquidify down to the speced temp Jun 04 17:38:43 heh. We have a temp chamber and test everything down to -40C Jun 04 17:39:22 Stuff we sell I mean Jun 04 17:39:43 KotH: There are other refrigerants used for freeze sprays and dust sprays, but Tetrafluoroethane is used in many of them. Jun 04 17:40:17 levi: well.. not in RHoS land :) Jun 04 17:40:26 It's also used in some airsoft guns and asthma inhalers. Jun 04 17:41:54 Yeah, I'm sure legality of various substances for particular uses varies a lot by country. Jun 04 17:42:15 levi: RHoS was a good thing in that regard Jun 04 17:42:29 levi: forced a lot of usian companies to abolish a few ingredients Jun 04 17:43:41 anyways.. time to leave and catch a train Jun 04 17:43:44 bbl... maybe Jun 04 17:44:59 <_Sy_> almost got a development suite set-up with remote debugging to the BBB.... Jun 04 17:48:58 I put Debian on an SD, put it in the slot and boot it up. It starts to boot in to debug and then powers off. Jun 04 17:49:05 Is my BBB defective? Jun 04 17:49:19 The onboard angstrom works fine **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 04 17:53:06 2013 Jun 04 17:54:32 bakers, does it boot off of the eMMC onboard? Jun 04 17:56:20 ka6sox: Ya that's fine... Anytime I try and boot off SD it powers off random Jun 04 17:56:33 during the boot Jun 04 17:57:56 My BBWhite is showing up as "Texas Instruments XDS100 (Channel A)" and "Texas Instruments XDS100 (Channel B)" instead of the normal COM port. This happened a while back when I installed a driver for another piece of hardwware I have, but I can't remember how I fixed it. Anyone know? Jun 04 17:58:38 bakers, are you powering via the USB or a separate power supply? Jun 04 17:59:24 ka6sox: usb... two different cables Jun 04 18:02:39 bakers, I don't ever like powering with USB for ARM things (well maybe my discovery board)....try a Power Supply and see if you get same result. Jun 04 18:03:26 ka6sox: Ok will do Jun 04 18:03:35 Can I power the BBB directly via the 5v/GND pin Jun 04 18:03:45 I have a regulated (old PC) power supplyu Jun 04 18:03:49 you would need to check the schematic on that first. Jun 04 18:09:12 I just bought a beoglebone black and I can't ssl to it. Jun 04 18:09:14 What is up with that. Jun 04 18:11:04 rayman_, a bit more explaination as to exactly what you are trying to do and how would help. Jun 04 18:11:36 Well got that figured out... now gotta figure out how to get uart1 serial working in ubuntu heh Jun 04 18:14:36 rayman_: Can you ping your BBB? Jun 04 18:16:44 so i just got a brand new beaglebone black, and it presents (among other things) a usb serial port named ttyACM0. When I try to minicom into this device, minicom hangs. How am I meant to access a serial console to log into the device? Jun 04 18:17:02 I am trying to access my beagleboard black from win 7 chrome and putty. always get connection closed by remote host. Any help? Jun 04 18:17:31 rayman__: i read something about logging in through the serial console and resetting the ssh keys Jun 04 18:18:00 i might tell you more once i get a serial console working Jun 04 18:18:21 i don't get where should one connect rtc battery for ONLY rtc supply Jun 04 18:18:26 in bbb Jun 04 18:19:06 This is fresh out of the box. Getting in shouldn't be so hard. Jun 04 18:19:27 agreed. Jun 04 18:19:48 maybe i'll flash the latest image through usb Jun 04 18:28:09 ketas, for rtc in am335x? Jun 04 18:28:14 because it's possible to run board in soft-off mode where rtc supposedly works... but i don't like that way Jun 04 18:28:18 bradfa: yes Jun 04 18:29:02 bradfa: there is rtc, right?! Jun 04 18:29:09 don't think you can, easily, without reworks Jun 04 18:29:27 sucks Jun 04 18:29:32 there is an rtc Jun 04 18:29:44 it runs from one of the LDOs in the PMIC Jun 04 18:29:57 and it actually works on rev 2.0/2.1 silicon Jun 04 18:29:58 yea i saw Jun 04 18:30:52 I don't think the RTC power is broken out by itself **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 04 18:36:00 2013 Jun 04 18:36:08 dinner time Jun 04 18:36:08 But if it uses uA while 'off' - that doesn't matter Jun 04 18:36:12 not a problem! Jun 04 18:36:23 the towertech can cape, it pulls one of the pins that the HDMI dts needs, so the hdmi doesn't load up Jun 04 18:36:27 have you seen that issue? Jun 04 18:36:31 The battery wil last months Jun 04 18:36:33 SpeedEvil, tps65217 still has logic running enough to sense things, thus uA draw Jun 04 18:36:52 SpeedEvil, yes, but most have self discharge that's faster than the drain Jun 04 18:37:09 CalcMan: sure. there's a conflict over the spi1 bus Jun 04 18:37:09 a lithium may discharge itself in a year or two Jun 04 18:37:16 bradfa: although in my application i probably run them off main ups Jun 04 18:37:30 CalcMan: however, HDMI video could be made to work Jun 04 18:37:39 i'm looking back at chat logs from last week, is that what you were talking aobut? Jun 04 18:38:03 CalcMan: yes. I think I pasted a gist with the virtual HDMI video only cape definition Jun 04 18:38:13 i think it's one of your IRQ pins for one of the mcp2515s right? Jun 04 18:38:16 ketas, if you have many bones, have one AC-DC and run them all off that Jun 04 18:38:25 CalcMan: the whole spi bus Jun 04 18:38:37 oh Jun 04 18:38:42 bradfa: i think i build separate dc ups for dc input things Jun 04 18:38:52 CalcMan: https://gist.github.com/dwery/5664326 Jun 04 18:38:53 ketas, ok Jun 04 18:39:35 CalcMan: throw that to capemgr and you will get HDMI video back Jun 04 18:40:05 bradfa: also, this is good power area and i probably have one real machine anyway... so i still have some clock Jun 04 18:40:22 ketas, or just use ntp Jun 04 18:40:23 k, i'll try that out Jun 04 18:40:29 and this is weird condition when i have power and no uplink Jun 04 18:40:30 CalcMan: let me know Jun 04 18:40:33 what is "mcasp0" in the hdmi dts? Jun 04 18:40:37 ketas: ? Jun 04 18:40:37 * SpeedEvil has a 480Ah USB battery. Jun 04 18:40:56 CalcMan: mcasp is HDMI audio Jun 04 18:40:56 bradfa: i use ntp now :P Jun 04 18:41:00 dwery, was that https://gist.github.com/dwery/5664326 ? Jun 04 18:41:07 yep Jun 04 18:41:36 SpeedEvil: 480ah, eh? Jun 04 18:41:51 SpeedEvil: seems like corner of batteries Jun 04 18:41:59 (It's two 12V 100Ah batteries and a 12V->5V converter. Jun 04 18:42:13 24 ->5 Jun 04 18:42:18 what makes it 480ah Jun 04 18:42:28 ketas, http://ultralifecorporation.com/be-commercial/products/rechargeable/ubp002/ Jun 04 18:42:31 I use those Jun 04 18:42:41 $8 to $10 in small buys Jun 04 18:43:09 ketas: 12/5 Jun 04 18:43:11 bradfa: that can even run bbb for some time Jun 04 18:43:29 ketas, 2 hours or so I've clocked whites without any power savings code (no freq scaling) Jun 04 18:44:10 bradfa: any packs with internal ntc's? Jun 04 18:44:25 ketas, you can custom order with ntc inside Jun 04 18:44:36 ketas, we run ntc on custom cape Jun 04 18:44:48 custom order, eh Jun 04 18:45:04 ketas, if you don't mind the risk, just wire a 10k ohm resistor into NTC port Jun 04 18:45:07 battery pack with such thing are so uncommon? Jun 04 18:45:11 will trick pmic Jun 04 18:45:25 what about use your own ntc Jun 04 18:45:41 ketas, there's tons of varieties of ntc / ptc / etc so building it into the pack is not feasable Jun 04 18:46:02 ketas, we run an ntc on our cape Jun 04 18:46:09 so there is no 1 cell lithium battery with 10k ntc inside? Jun 04 18:46:23 ketas, not for reasonable prices that I've found Jun 04 18:46:38 what kind of ntc does pmic want? Jun 04 18:46:43 i didn't see that Jun 04 18:46:44 10k ohn ntc Jun 04 18:46:48 besides 10k Jun 04 18:46:53 s/ohn/ohm/ Jun 04 18:46:56 data sheet has info Jun 04 18:47:02 it's a standard part Jun 04 18:47:15 i know they have different temp / resistance curves Jun 04 19:03:48 How to configure network settings in debian on host for sharing intertubes with BBB connected with USB? Jun 04 19:04:19 mastiff, usb is network gadget? Jun 04 19:04:42 network gadget? Jun 04 19:04:55 when you connect via usb, does it make a network interface out of it? Jun 04 19:05:25 if so, then something like this (with some modifications for your use) will work: https://github.com/bradfa/little-things/blob/master/setupgateway_eth0-eth1.sh Jun 04 19:07:05 bradfa: yeah ifconfig shows eth1 on the host, so sounds like eth0-eth1 gateway is what i need Jun 04 19:07:11 will try that link thanks Jun 04 19:21:52 anyone have a link to a 'kit' w/ beagle bone and lcd (bundle)? Jun 04 19:25:02 woz, still have any shares left? Jun 04 19:26:18 any suggestions for learing materials on debugging ICs with logic analyzer and o-scope? Jun 04 19:26:49 for troubleshooting after relflow? Jun 04 19:26:54 reflow Jun 04 19:28:08 hi Jun 04 19:28:43 mastiff: reading all the involved datasheets several times Jun 04 19:29:03 I suppose 'an x-ray machine' doesn't count as a learning material? Jun 04 19:29:24 i have a video microscope also Jun 04 19:29:33 no x-ray :) Jun 04 19:29:37 can someone confirm if "EHCI Debug Device Gadget" (USB_G_DBGP) works on different BeagleBoards ? Jun 04 19:30:26 SpeedEvil: shoot the beams in your eyes Jun 04 19:31:02 what would edison do Jun 04 19:31:38 have one of his workers do it and take the credit Jun 04 19:32:30 the kernel module should be named g_dbpg.o, for now just connecting to USB host and gettign dmesg and lsusb output would help me Jun 04 19:36:27 Russ: get any mail yet? Jun 04 19:37:56 not yet, but I'm not home today Jun 04 19:40:04 looking forward to it though Jun 04 19:42:44 don't mind the package looking like a section of pipe Jun 04 19:42:56 totally incidental Jun 04 19:43:06 as long as there aren't wires coming out of it Jun 04 19:43:58 always go with purple one Jun 04 19:46:21 g'night all Jun 04 19:52:08 I'm probably going to get around to soldering up my bcc cape this afternoon Jun 04 19:52:27 mastiff: fun tfun Jun 04 19:52:49 i read ka6sox's document about the 3.8 kernel and DT last night Jun 04 19:52:55 and how cape-manager works Jun 04 19:53:01 thats sensible Jun 04 19:53:02 :-) Jun 04 19:53:32 DT is not all bad Jun 04 19:53:50 no not bad, i like the idea of virtual capes also Jun 04 19:56:53 its not mine! its Panto's :) Jun 04 20:00:35 mastiff: you mean prototype capes? Jun 04 20:01:53 from what I understand, and I need to reread that doc again, you use virtual capes to setup the pin functions you want to access on the headers Jun 04 20:01:57 it Jun 04 20:02:41 it's like setting up a cape but you're not actually using a cape, just the headers Jun 04 20:03:32 yeah Jun 04 20:04:18 http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Capes Jun 04 20:04:40 I should ask panto about how capemanager controls keeping the eMMC in reset (what its criteria is) Jun 04 20:06:32 I have a 5v power supply I want to use on my BBB. What's the polarity on the barrel connector? Jun 04 20:08:17 bakers_, the SRM knows for sure, but I use + centre Jun 04 20:09:00 ka6sox: SRM? Jun 04 20:09:25 voltmeter is quick Jun 04 20:09:30 * ka6sox googles the current UKP<>USD rate to see if he wants to buy this relay module... Jun 04 20:09:46 check for ground continuity Jun 04 20:10:49 ka6sox: invest in relays.. that is as good as gold right? Jun 04 20:18:48 OUCH! $80(exc VAT) Jun 04 20:18:48 plus whatever it takes to get it here... Jun 04 20:21:59 that's monsterelay Jun 04 20:22:22 What are you attempting to switch? Jun 04 20:24:00 looks like he switched freenode already Jun 04 20:36:56 ka6sox: FYI http://www.perturb.org/display/1129_BeagleBone_Black__Barrel_Connector_Polarity.html Jun 04 20:49:08 shocking positive tip... Jun 04 20:49:25 i am mildly surprised there is no voltage regulator though Jun 04 20:58:06 maxinux: those cost $$ Jun 04 20:58:44 79 cents? Jun 04 20:58:52 monoprice Jun 04 20:58:54 lm323t Jun 04 21:07:16 anyone have debian on their BBB? I can ssh in as "debian" but I can't switch to root Jun 04 21:07:26 sudo -i Jun 04 21:07:40 what .. Jun 04 21:08:02 hmm .. usually it is the other way around you can't login but you can sudo to it Jun 04 21:08:44 Oh it want's debian as the sudo password... duh Jun 04 21:08:44 thanks Jun 04 21:10:34 ka6sox: you're spammin the beaglebone group, dude. Jun 04 21:13:09 huh? Jun 04 21:14:02 ka6sox: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!msg/beagleboard/AaJFi7710Ik/51734XSwFzMJ Jun 04 21:15:02 might want to run a malware scan. Jun 04 21:16:32 ka6sox is still owned Jun 04 21:16:34 nice Jun 04 21:16:37 fix Jun 04 21:16:38 your Jun 04 21:16:40 shit Jun 04 21:17:08 google will probably kill your account if you don't. Jun 04 21:19:09 i wish they would be more aggressive in killing spam Jun 04 21:19:43 it's all report based. Jun 04 21:19:54 their servers wind up on spam blacklists a lot Jun 04 21:20:36 that's cause there are rooms and rooms full of cheap labor in manually signing up for accounts, used for spam. Jun 04 21:20:55 they got the cash, use it. Jun 04 21:22:39 afternoon all Jun 04 21:22:47 PRU_EVTOUT_2, how goes the project btw ? Jun 04 21:27:55 documentiiiiing Jun 04 21:27:56 FOREVER Jun 04 21:28:10 basically done though. Jun 04 21:28:18 ah heh makign progrss though ? Jun 04 21:28:22 ah awesome Jun 04 21:28:35 ds2: Killing spam is just the wrong place to be. Jun 04 21:28:42 Killing spammers is much more effective. Jun 04 21:28:44 need to work on a board bringup workflow (since there will be lots of these) Jun 04 21:29:09 and make a few scripts system-d services. Jun 04 21:29:11 PRU_EVTOUT_2, oh right i had a link for you for sublime . . . Jun 04 21:29:22 * m_billybob digs it up Jun 04 21:30:24 ...must be down there deep. Jun 04 21:30:29 PRU_EVTOUT_2 -> https://tutsplus.com/course/improve-workflow-in-sublime-text-2/ Jun 04 21:30:51 oh nice! Jun 04 21:30:52 yeah had to google it using firefox and not chrome atm ;) Jun 04 21:31:15 ohh, super nice. Jun 04 21:31:28 some of those tuts are pretty informative. Jun 04 21:32:05 that guy seems to be a web dever, and writes code like a demon Jun 04 21:33:36 like a demon? so all evil and painful to read? :P Jun 04 21:33:46 fills your soul with torment and remorse? Jun 04 21:33:49 possessed Jun 04 21:34:25 i only get that way at about 9:00pm Jun 04 21:34:30 e.g. he writes lots of code, and fast. probably needs to drink less caffine ;) Jun 04 21:34:36 with coffee around 6:30 or so. Jun 04 21:34:40 which doesn't really make sense. Jun 04 21:34:51 unless i have a dead liver. Jun 04 21:41:09 couldnt say ;) Jun 04 21:58:26 on the bbb which pin is the power for the serial cable ? pin1 of the connector is GND as i know Jun 04 21:58:47 there is no power pin on that connector Jun 04 21:59:16 can`t it be powered on that connector ? Jun 04 22:00:05 ? Jun 04 22:00:05 there are only 3 pins that connect to anything on that header Jun 04 22:00:05 rx, tx, and gnd Jun 04 22:00:12 if you need 5V, pull it off the other header Jun 04 22:00:25 hehe or solder a white whire Jun 04 22:00:27 wire Jun 04 22:00:45 Russ: need to sync up with you on the tick Jun 04 22:01:00 Russ: sometime at the first of next week Jun 04 22:01:02 er Jun 04 22:01:08 bad russ Jun 04 22:01:08 3.3V Jun 04 22:01:08 usually your usb to serial adapter will have the 3.3V for you Jun 04 22:01:26 ok, I had to take today as time bank, I'm just hanging out for now Jun 04 22:02:00 yes that is why i was asking Jun 04 22:04:06 maxinux, I've been checking every 10 minutes...not sending. Jun 04 22:04:21 your email clients actions are not relevant Jun 04 22:04:31 you probably have something running in the background using your machien to send spam out to everything you do Jun 04 22:04:44 you should probably deal with that, ideally while disconnected from the internet Jun 04 22:06:19 I've already did that last night for 6hrs...its clean...and the password has been changed...so unless you send me a FULL header with a recent time stamp I'm not sure what to tell you (and I do know what I'm doing) Jun 04 22:12:37 ka6sox: the one on the list is 22 hours old Jun 04 22:13:00 morning all Jun 04 22:19:05 geez Jun 04 22:19:18 mranostay, thats what I thought..... Jun 04 22:23:56 22 hours?! that's an _eternity_ Jun 04 22:29:09 Hi ! Can the new BBB could support running Xserver + Chromium and navigate a local website that would run under a normal LAMP setup ? Jun 04 22:29:54 ( I ordered a RaspPI, but it turned out to take 15 second to load the front page of PHPMyAdmin, so I was wondering if the BeagleBone would have better performances ) Jun 04 22:30:31 Haven't done it extensively but I have run an x server on my BBB and a VNC client on Mac, performance was decent enough, used Chromium, etc. Jun 04 22:30:53 The Pi and the beaglebone will have broadly similar performance Jun 04 22:31:17 eh what? Jun 04 22:31:42 What matters is the storage medium. Jun 04 22:32:17 SpeedEvil: similar performance ? Well I haven't compared myself, but I've read that the BBB was outperforming the PI by at least 70% Jun 04 22:32:25 Oh I see what you mean Jun 04 22:32:56 So because of the 2gb of Internal memory, I should have greater performance... Jun 04 22:32:59 Yes, but if you're getting 15 second load times, you're doing something drastically wrong that you need to investigate, and may not be fixed by migrating to BB Jun 04 22:33:29 I guess 10 seconds vs 15 might seem like an eternity Jun 04 22:34:07 well, are the missing 5 seconds at the beginning or the end? Jun 04 22:34:15 Well the RaspPI CPU is the bottle neck. Jun 04 22:34:17 FMaz: Don't assume that the internal emmc will be much faster than a SD card. Jun 04 22:34:24 ok... Jun 04 22:34:33 the blackbone cpu is at least twice as fast as the rpi Jun 04 22:34:34 Though SD cards vary _lots_ Jun 04 22:34:41 Would the UDOO be a best bet then ? Jun 04 22:34:48 Just a big step in price Jun 04 22:34:51 the emmc should be faster than most sd cards Jun 04 22:34:53 it is a lot faster, testing was posted here a few days ago Jun 04 22:34:59 K Jun 04 22:35:23 You still have that link ? Jun 04 22:35:24 FMaz: First step - have you tried to work out why it's slow, and if others get the same results? Jun 04 22:35:41 It's slow because a LAMP stack and redering a webpage takes time Jun 04 22:35:54 with the the PI, even google browsing take 5-10 sec Jun 04 22:35:54 search archives for something like "emmc" "mB/s" Jun 04 22:35:59 ( On Chromium ) Jun 04 22:36:33 FMaz: browsing is slow for a number of reasons. Jun 04 22:36:55 I know, and in my case I need the server and the client to run at the same time Jun 04 22:37:18 Are you swapping? Jun 04 22:37:28 And just to put a nail in my coffin, I generate D3 force layout graph, so I need a browser that's fast with JS Jun 04 22:37:29 Nop Jun 04 22:37:31 Or memory constrained? That will slow things down lots. Jun 04 22:37:35 IOWait is low too Jun 04 22:37:40 Just the CPU Jun 04 22:37:45 Memory is under control Jun 04 22:37:59 It sounds like it's unlikely the beagle is going to be dramatically faster. Jun 04 22:38:15 At least - say - to chop that 15s down to 1, say Jun 04 22:38:15 the cpu is much faster Jun 04 22:38:21 Seems to me that because it's a single core that's slow, when I lauch a request, PHP, Apache, MySQL, and Chromium fight for a slice of the CPU Jun 04 22:38:32 1 sec would be good Jun 04 22:38:35 10 wouldn't Jun 04 22:38:38 mru: Sure - 'at least twice as fast' Jun 04 22:38:43 15->7 Jun 04 22:39:12 But the architecture of the CPU is different too Jun 04 22:39:55 higher clock, dual-issue, larger caches, better branch prediction Jun 04 22:40:25 dual issue ? Jun 04 22:40:40 executes two instructions in parallel Jun 04 22:40:42 mru: I'm not arguing it's not a fair bit faster. But if memory pressure or IO isnt' the issue, it's going to have problems making something taking 15s be acceptable. Jun 04 22:40:53 I call twice as fast a fair bit Jun 04 22:41:02 it might not be _enough_ Jun 04 22:41:07 but that's another matter Jun 04 22:41:36 Quite Jun 04 22:42:04 Anyone tried to installed a LAMP stack and just login into PHPMyAdmin ? Jun 04 22:42:24 * mru has not Jun 04 22:42:29 I haven't even tried my project yet, when I launched PMA, I realized it wouldn't work. Jun 04 22:43:58 hum ok... Jun 04 22:44:46 I guess when I'll be able to get rid of my PI I'll order a BBB for a test. And if it still doesn't work, I may attemps the UDOO whenever it will be for public sales ( September ? ) Jun 04 22:45:14 FMaz, im sure LAMP on the bbb work work fine Jun 04 22:45:24 FMaz, if you need moar power just get a Minnowboard. Jun 04 22:45:43 I question if it should take that long. FMaz hav you asked on the pi channel about experiences? Jun 04 22:45:56 m_billybob: can you expand on why you are so sure ? Jun 04 22:45:57 Yes I did Jun 04 22:46:02 and for even more power the whale board Jun 04 22:46:10 They told me I was just expecting too much of the PI Jun 04 22:46:11 :p Jun 04 22:46:17 heh Jun 04 22:46:19 and use mobydick.img Jun 04 22:46:20 maybe so. Jun 04 22:46:21 if you're rendering lots of complex stuff in the browser maybe it's better to put it on the network and do remote development, use a browser on a PC to do all that rendering Jun 04 22:46:54 The browser can be very slow. Jun 04 22:47:15 FMaz, i will be running a LAMP soonish so ill be able to tell ya sooner or later Jun 04 22:47:27 that's why I say use a browser on a PC, unless the final project requires the BBB to do the rendering as part of an installation or something Jun 04 22:47:43 but if it's just going to serve, let a client be the client Jun 04 22:47:58 m_billybob: I would love to have your input on how it behave ! Jun 04 22:48:24 FMaz, i have little doubt it will deal with it well Jun 04 22:48:48 Suboptimus: I know I should have separate client and server, but my project is kind of very specific. I won't go into details, but yeah, I really need client and server on the same machine Jun 04 22:49:19 OK, I sort of figured that was the case since you seemed insistent Jun 04 22:49:21 FMaz, if you need an i7-3770k then you should get one :) Jun 04 22:49:28 he he Jun 04 22:49:36 ka6sox : troll alert Jun 04 22:49:38 ;) Jun 04 22:49:59 yup... Jun 04 22:50:16 * mru lost track of intel part numbers some time around the p3 Jun 04 22:50:18 so many people ask if it will do the *same* things as their desktop... Jun 04 22:50:27 ka6sox: Sigh Jun 04 22:50:39 it'll do the same things, sure Jun 04 22:50:43 ka6sox: Not helped by the silly 'desktop replacement' threads you see about things. Jun 04 22:50:45 it will for MY desktop Jun 04 22:50:50 but not in the same time Jun 04 22:50:55 or different things in the same time Jun 04 22:51:02 right Jun 04 22:51:08 * mranostay pokes in Jun 04 22:51:10 it's something to do with the heisenberg uncertainty principle Jun 04 22:51:25 my Panda does well as a monitoring and displaying board... Jun 04 22:51:35 does seem kind of strange, it's not like the world has a lack of cheap general purpose computers Jun 04 22:51:40 but it was terrible at normal browsing doing normal stupid things. Jun 04 22:51:50 (not because its bad but the web content is dumb) Jun 04 22:52:07 I don't mind cheap, it's about the side, and the fact it's fanless Jun 04 22:52:30 *size Jun 04 22:52:31 one thing I liked was it stopped the stupid flash animations on sites.... so +1 for NO Flash... Jun 04 22:52:44 Hence D3 :p Jun 04 22:52:48 my i7 laptop doesn't have _much_ fan Jun 04 22:53:00 not much != none Jun 04 22:53:07 oh, I know that Jun 04 22:54:17 I guess I come to it looking at the BBB as an MCU on ridiculous amounts of steroids, so it is way OP for most of what I have in mind. I guess if you were coming at it with a desktop in mind you would have a very different idea Jun 04 22:54:52 Suboptimus, if it weren't for that pesky OS in the way that keeps me from directly poking the pins... Jun 04 22:54:55 the soc is meant for industrial applications Jun 04 22:54:55 I am coming from doing my last serious hardware project on a TI EKLM3S6965, Cortex M3, no OS Jun 04 22:55:02 compared to somethign like an arduino, it is Jun 04 22:55:10 Suboptimus lol you have one of those too eh ? Jun 04 22:55:10 * mru hands ka6sox a pointy stick Jun 04 22:55:15 love, love it Jun 04 22:55:22 I do wonder when we'll get proper linux microcontrollers. Jun 04 22:55:24 * ka6sox accepts said pointy stick... Jun 04 22:55:24 The SOC ? Jun 04 22:55:30 That is - linux in a QFN - single die. Jun 04 22:55:35 SpeedEvil: that's a contradiction in terms Jun 04 22:55:42 mru, +1 Jun 04 22:55:44 mru: why? Jun 04 22:55:51 mru: I mean capable. Jun 04 22:56:01 mru: Say 8M RAM, 2M ROM. Jun 04 22:56:01 because if it can run a full OS, it's by definition not a uC Jun 04 22:56:06 FMaz cortex M3 dev kit from TI Jun 04 22:56:09 I was building a prototype with it about 2 years ago, at the time I thought it was just amazing, but now, for just throwing ideas together, BBB is ridiculous, although maybe some concerns with hard realtime stuff. There's the PRUs but they seem like unexplored territory Jun 04 22:56:13 oh ok Jun 04 22:56:14 mru: I'd call it more on pin count. Jun 04 22:56:16 sold about . . .idk maybe 3 years ago Jun 04 22:56:26 mru: and external requirements Jun 04 22:56:38 allwinner Jun 04 22:56:44 mru: A cortex m3 can easily run a full OS of the 1980s. Jun 04 22:56:52 bollox Jun 04 22:56:56 it has no mmu Jun 04 22:57:16 I do not see a MMU in my IBM PC. Jun 04 22:57:25 nor do I see a real OS Jun 04 22:57:29 Suboptimus: pru's aren't unexplored! Jun 04 22:57:30 Maybe I should look out foor Exynos solutions Jun 04 22:57:46 hah, Mac OS didn't have virtual memory until 1991 right? Jun 04 22:57:47 (good lord, what's wrong with my typing today) Jun 04 22:57:49 System 7? Jun 04 22:58:01 SpeedEvil, a z80 could run an OS from the 80's . .. Jun 04 22:58:01 macos is not a real os Jun 04 22:58:16 and you said linux Jun 04 22:58:20 mac os is a shell Jun 04 22:58:20 linux _really_ needs an mmu Jun 04 22:58:26 thurgood: -s Jun 04 22:58:43 m_billybob: exactly. However, it required at least four support chips - usually lots more. Jun 04 22:59:55 Mac OS up through 9 had a completely different codebase than 10. Jun 04 22:59:59 8051 ? ;) Jun 04 23:00:15 10 provided an emulator and an implementation of a subset of the OS9 APIs Jun 04 23:00:19 Suboptimus: I know that Jun 04 23:00:24 but the old Mac OS was pretty primitive Jun 04 23:00:32 yes, not a real os Jun 04 23:00:39 m_billybob: Exactly - I was wondering when we'd get to that point with single die microcontrollers in the $1 range for linux. Jun 04 23:01:18 I find it somewhat amusing that putting a complete linux system with wifi and battery in a hollowed out 8051 would be easy. Jun 04 23:01:44 SpeedEvil, thats one mcu ive yet to toy with ( among many ) but seems liek a really nice MCU Jun 04 23:01:59 8051? Jun 04 23:02:04 It's rather slow. Jun 04 23:02:10 you're kidding, right? Jun 04 23:02:15 now 6502... Jun 04 23:02:16 of course its only like what 30 years old tech ? Jun 04 23:02:17 mdp: ^^ Jun 04 23:02:30 Though there are single cycle 8051 cores nowadays, as well as new designs Jun 04 23:02:33 8051's are not that slow if you get the right one Jun 04 23:02:40 ds2: I mean - of the old ones. Jun 04 23:02:56 ds2: there are new single cycle multiple tens of megahertz ones Jun 04 23:02:59 SpeedEvil, right Jun 04 23:03:03 SpeedEvil: as in the 8051 marked ones with 12 cycles per instruction and max 12MHz? :D Jun 04 23:03:15 yeah Jun 04 23:03:40 ive read somewhere that there are a few that have dedicated memory controllers too Jun 04 23:03:45 whcih is what interrested me Jun 04 23:05:57 6502-4-EVER Jun 04 23:06:10 68000 :P Jun 04 23:06:19 punk kid :) Jun 04 23:06:26 65C02!!!! Jun 04 23:06:40 double the speed! woo woo Jun 04 23:06:54 sorry ..that was the 65SC02 Jun 04 23:07:22 1802! Jun 04 23:07:33 * mranostay forgot he had a punk hilight Jun 04 23:07:44 SpeedEvil, those are awful to programme Jun 04 23:07:56 @#%!@#$!@$#!@ rad hard RCA crap Jun 04 23:08:56 ds2, I suppose its better than gluing tantalum metal to the tops and bottoms of everything. Jun 04 23:09:07 and then hoping it survives "Shake and Bake" Jun 04 23:10:52 depends on what you want Jun 04 23:11:01 if you need truely random numbers.... Jun 04 23:12:25 I think the hams flew NEC V40's with Tantalum glued to both sides. Jun 04 23:12:50 in 1990 Jun 04 23:13:02 where does one get tantalum metal? Jun 04 23:13:07 I just know it from the caps Jun 04 23:13:07 ebay Jun 04 23:13:30 then how does one verify it is indeed tantalum? Jun 04 23:13:42 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TANTALUM-99-95-purity-textured-surface-slice-5-/330889688136?pt=UK_Collectables_RocksFossils_Minerals_EH&hash=item4d0a8ff448 Jun 04 23:14:14 Not much is not liquid at 3300K Jun 04 23:15:27 And - well - if they give you an equal weight of osmium - woohoo Jun 04 23:16:10 of course you could have JPL's problem of having a 3rd generation of programmers have to work with just 1500 18bit words of memory for a CPU. Jun 04 23:16:32 can't find people used to dealing with PICs? Jun 04 23:16:58 ds2, thats probably where they *do* find them/. Jun 04 23:17:14 those things are about that sized and used 18bits or 14bit stuff Jun 04 23:18:17 except this one has holes in its memory...like an ARM926T Jun 04 23:20:01 There are people who still enjoy working on these things. Jun 04 23:20:14 You can still buy 256 word of ROM microcontrollers. Jun 04 23:20:33 It's just $.37 now, and goes in your toaster. Jun 04 23:21:23 mattel probally buys them by the truckloads :D Jun 04 23:22:06 worst ball pit ever Jun 04 23:22:13 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/PIC10F200T-I%2FOT/PIC10F200T-I%2FOTCT-ND/665887 Jun 04 23:22:20 34 dollars for a hundred Jun 04 23:22:40 A whole 16 bytes of RAM Jun 04 23:22:59 SpeedEvil, think MSP430...lots of them out there :) Jun 04 23:23:25 MSP430 is a _big_ processor Jun 04 23:23:48 compared to the 68hc705J1A's I worked on....yup. Jun 04 23:25:50 can x86 help here? Jun 04 23:25:53 I was amused to see someone using a pic10F - and filing the package down because it was too big. Jun 04 23:25:58 * mranostay waddles away Jun 04 23:26:16 It was being used as a direct motor driver, in a plane weighing 230mg Jun 04 23:26:48 they should have gone flip chip. Jun 04 23:27:02 That is - powered remote controlled. Jun 04 23:27:30 http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/5613919572/in/faves-68099814@N00/ Jun 04 23:28:43 Sorry - 225mg Jun 04 23:28:47 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876 Jun 04 23:28:57 ka6sox: what's that? Jun 04 23:29:31 I think its a "pack" of beagles Jun 04 23:29:32 SpeedEvil: can we make a beowulf cluster of MSP430s? :P Jun 04 23:29:42 :) Jun 04 23:32:03 SpeedEvil: :O. I didn't realize that was a match until the third time i looked at the picture. Jun 04 23:32:16 It's barking mad. Jun 04 23:33:03 hahah "o give you an understanding, it is the weight of 1/10th of a Kleenex Tissue" Jun 04 23:33:52 ...holly crap "I cut 8.5 mAh li-poly rebuilt up to 273 mg in halves in argon and sealed it with alu foil. " Jun 04 23:34:37 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11056001&postcount=24 I changed IRLML2502 for NTA4153 and filed away it as much as possible. I also filed away PIC10F200. Pic.3 shows the sensor of 448 mg model, and the areas removed for 225 mg model are marked yellow. Jun 04 23:35:00 that's friggin beautiful. Jun 04 23:35:38 hahah, and he made his own positive pressure box for cutting the battery! Jun 04 23:38:32 it's good to know that people like this still exist. Jun 04 23:39:45 :) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 04 23:42:28 2013 Jun 04 23:42:35 Does anyone know how to get python opencv2 bindings working on beaglebone black? THe angstrom package is for 2.3... (yes I tried google) Jun 04 23:43:49 bminuk: install it manually? Jun 04 23:44:42 is there a particular reason it was not included with the base build (incompatability?) Jun 04 23:45:58 the packages are picked by one dude. there's lots of outdated stuff that i've had to manually compile to get newer versions. Jun 04 23:46:26 you'd have to ask the dude. Jun 04 23:47:27 I take it that its in the opencv sources at /modules/python ? Jun 04 23:49:43 *can't help. opencv is next project. Jun 04 23:50:27 out of curiosity, what are you doing? Jun 04 23:51:14 just playing around with facial recognition on beaglebone black. BTW a CPP based LBP recogoniser seems to run in 8ms with X turned off Jun 04 23:53:02 how many points? Jun 04 23:53:41 Sorry, I"m really new at this. All I am doing is trying examples, Jun 04 23:54:10 woo, the debian mmc flasher seems to be working Jun 04 23:54:18 goodbye angstrom Jun 04 23:56:58 it seems like the difference was i plugged in the ethernet cable Jun 04 23:57:21 but that doesn't make much sense since it's not pulling much from the network Jun 04 23:57:30 maybe i flashed it wrong the first time Jun 04 23:57:30 btw how do I get cmake on the beaglebone. opkg install cmake doesn't seem to work Jun 04 23:57:53 good luck putting anything but the base system on that angstrom build Jun 04 23:58:12 i had to jump ship to debian, angstrom didn't have the wireless stuff i wanteed Jun 04 23:58:14 d Jun 04 23:58:26 i'll tell you how that works out, i guess Jun 05 00:13:27 try opkg list | grep cmake Jun 05 00:15:20 may have to first run `opkg update` if you haven't already Jun 05 00:15:29 already manually installed libcurl4_7.21.2-r5.0.9_armv7a.ipk and cmake_2.8.2-r2.6_armv7a.ipk . BUt I guess I can"t install just the python parts.. Jun 05 00:17:07 oh i was going to check out debian Jun 05 00:17:35 the install went smoothly, the web-based shell to get into the box for the first time was werid Jun 05 00:17:38 weird Jun 05 00:18:02 cmake is a package for armhf Jun 05 00:18:58 bminuk, are you running stock firmware? Jun 05 00:19:04 yes Jun 05 00:19:13 (probably should upgrade) Jun 05 00:19:21 what does /etc/DogTag say? Jun 05 00:19:40 or maybe its /etc/dogtag Jun 05 00:19:58 neither Jun 05 00:20:01 tell me *before* you try to upgrade Jun 05 00:20:19 you still have the firmware that came with it running on the eMMC? Jun 05 00:20:25 or something else... Jun 05 00:20:32 stock MMC firmware Jun 05 00:20:59 Linux beaglebone 3.8.6 #1 SMP Sat Apr 13 09:10:52 CEST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux Jun 05 00:21:04 look for /etc/*tag* Jun 05 00:21:10 and tell me whats in that. Jun 05 00:21:25 ls: cannot access /etc/*tag*: No such file or directory Jun 05 00:21:41 find /etc -name *tag* Jun 05 00:22:00 okay...my suggestion is to NOT attempt to do opkg upgrade Jun 05 00:22:17 darn.. already did it earlier Jun 05 00:22:21 (still works) Jun 05 00:22:29 then you are lucky Jun 05 00:22:30 if you can still boot you're probably ok Jun 05 00:22:41 some others haven't been so lucky Jun 05 00:22:56 Probably have to reflash if it doesn"t (was going to anyway)... Jun 05 00:23:51 yup, still boots Jun 05 00:24:05 ok Jun 05 00:24:30 I have to go. Jun 05 00:25:44 p00f Jun 05 00:26:23 Thanks for everything, BTW Jun 05 00:32:43 has anyone seen a recent attack against firefox? Jun 05 00:39:59 I abandoned firefox a few years ago... to bloated and crashy Jun 05 00:40:28 its worse than that Jun 05 00:41:20 finally track down your security hole? Jun 05 00:42:01 avoid cloud apps! Jun 05 00:43:17 thurgood, yes, I did everything I was supposed to and its the browser thats doing it (or a plugin) Jun 05 00:44:32 ouch Jun 05 00:45:10 was the browser still twitching when you caught it? Jun 05 00:46:30 I've been slowly getting rid of it... Jun 05 00:46:39 and now its going to be gone permanently Jun 05 00:46:44 sorry FF... Jun 05 00:48:11 arrrrrrrrrgh Jun 05 00:48:39 what should i avoid doing? Jun 05 00:49:00 to avoid what happened to you? Jun 05 00:49:15 hell if I know...but this is definately FF Jun 05 00:49:25 well. Jun 05 00:49:33 this happened after I let FF upgrade. Jun 05 00:51:16 I've been seeing pop up webpages that have fake flash and firefox upgrades that are actually malware. Maybe you clicked on one of those Jun 05 00:54:39 this must be very clever as it went thru the plugin search proceedure and then restarted FF normally. Jun 05 00:55:55 plugins are disabled unless other wise explicitly justified Jun 05 01:02:24 ka6sox: you keep your java updated? ;) Jun 05 01:03:02 ds2: agreed. malware only uses approved methods of installation! Jun 05 01:05:08 PRU_EVTOUT_2, always Jun 05 01:05:18 thats something I'm always concerned about. Jun 05 01:06:36 0day? Jun 05 01:06:55 #firefox is of NO use... Jun 05 01:07:44 you try one of the many malware scanners? Jun 05 01:07:53 avast! Jun 05 01:11:15 the real Firefox channel is on Irc. Mozilla Jun 05 01:11:30 bbl...going to disconnect from the net and see if I can fix it Jun 05 01:11:36 okay...#mozilla? Jun 05 01:12:19 its invite only Jun 05 01:13:03 no Jun 05 01:13:08 a server Jun 05 01:18:12 hmm kiwi mail Jun 05 01:18:17 irc.mozilla.org Jun 05 01:36:33 mrpackethead: got the pcb. thanks Jun 05 01:36:39 ahh Jun 05 01:36:41 got it finsihed Jun 05 01:36:45 ? Jun 05 01:36:46 haha Jun 05 01:49:52 EMMC can not boot on my own board, and no MMC_CLK signal..... Jun 05 01:50:13 but if boot from sdcard , i can read/write EMMC..... Jun 05 01:50:22 I do not know why Jun 05 01:50:29 It's very strange Jun 05 02:28:03 ka6sox, you're the only one who uses your computer ? cause kids have a way of messing systems up sometimes . . . I have a friend here who son is always infecting her PC . . . 17 year old boy, guess what he's doing ot infect his mothers PC . . . Jun 05 02:29:30 my 11yr old has his own computer to mess up...he doesn't touch mine Jun 05 02:29:43 punish him for it anyway Jun 05 02:30:27 ka6sox, i could ask wulf, he saw that one post on the groups and instantly knew it was malware Jun 05 02:31:04 i havent been keeping up with security in a few years now, atleast not an every day thing like i used to Jun 05 02:31:06 ka6sox: solution in your face. trade him computers! :D Jun 05 02:31:23 ka6sox: what the hell happened btw Jun 05 02:31:27 m_billybob: i realized trying to secure a computer was worthless after zonealarm stopped being supported. :( Jun 05 02:31:37 sounds like FF got jacked somehow Jun 05 02:31:44 looked like it too Jun 05 02:32:03 there was a link on the newsgroup a few days ago with a malware link Jun 05 02:32:04 PRU_EVTOUT_2, theres always peerblock Jun 05 02:32:10 i don't want to block peers Jun 05 02:32:15 but besidesw the point firewalls arent what keeps you secure Jun 05 02:32:29 knowing what not to do keeps you secure Jun 05 02:32:34 yeah, but it helps you know when you got powned Jun 05 02:32:45 and, that's not true with zero day. Jun 05 02:32:51 knowing what processes run on your system lets yo uknow that ;) Jun 05 02:33:04 if you have java, javascript, flash, or any modern browser installed and in use. Jun 05 02:33:25 I used to do this professionally back in the XP days. where i live now the call for $50/hr security experts is non existant Jun 05 02:33:44 I fix one of my lady friends PCs once in a while thats about it Jun 05 02:33:48 seems like these days, people literally just buy a new computer. Jun 05 02:34:05 my friend used to work for a little business that did pc support Jun 05 02:34:14 he ended up with a room foll of computers that people didn't want anymore, because they were infected. Jun 05 02:34:21 PRU_EVTOUT_2, maybe, but typically i could remove almost any virus for $50 ( 1 hour minimum ) Jun 05 02:34:37 once in a while id run into the super infected system that took two hours Jun 05 02:34:41 he used to try to get them to understand that they didn't have to do that, but gave up after a while and started a collection Jun 05 02:34:54 after i got into infosec i started telling people 'no, i put the malware on now' Jun 05 02:35:15 dsockwell lol Jun 05 02:35:30 dsockwell they probably believed you too the average user isnt very smart. Jun 05 02:35:58 not with computers anyhow Jun 05 02:36:31 well, it's true sometimes Jun 05 02:36:43 but i digress, anyone can get infected. Jun 05 02:37:40 one thing that has probably saved me more times than anything. I dont use a regular email client. only web based email Jun 05 02:37:47 yeah, seriously. Jun 05 02:38:26 that and googles wonderful email filter, most mails i get go directly to the trash Jun 05 02:38:44 hi i'm outlook. you want to run code from a stranger while you're previewing an email? sure you do! Jun 05 02:39:09 goes along with the same logic as adobe pdf scripting. Jun 05 02:39:22 yeah thats where MS fails face first, outlook, and hmm well IE is gettign somewhat better, but not a lot Jun 05 02:39:34 "warning, this text document can completely take over your computer. do you want to open it?" Jun 05 02:39:47 lol an x64 system would cure that Jun 05 02:39:57 ADS' are an abortions though Jun 05 02:40:06 abortion* Jun 05 02:40:29 why would anyone want an alternate data stream that can "hook" onto any file in the system and act as an executable ? Jun 05 02:40:40 pretty stupid. Jun 05 02:44:39 does anyone know if it is possible to use one of the PWM outputs to output on a usr LED ? Jun 05 02:45:10 look at the pinmuxing Jun 05 02:45:15 not quite sure i know where tolook first to find out. Jun 05 02:45:21 TRM ? Jun 05 02:46:36 yes. Jun 05 02:46:41 ah looks like ill be reading ~200 pages worth of text tonight ;) Jun 05 02:46:51 nah, there's a table. Jun 05 02:46:51 someone does know Jun 05 02:47:23 PRU_EVTOUT_2, a table ? where abouts ? Jun 05 02:48:33 mranostay, I'm working with the mozilla folks to determine what happened. Jun 05 02:49:46 m_billybob: with a dremel and enough jumpers, anything is possible Jun 05 02:50:07 ka6sox: that's pretty impressive. i kinda assumed they would just be "you probably got it from downloading something bad" Jun 05 02:50:42 ka6sox, very cool. Jun 05 02:50:43 m_billybob: i use the am335x product preview. Jun 05 02:50:48 pfd. Jun 05 02:50:55 pdf i mean. Jun 05 02:51:07 yeah figured thts what you meant Jun 05 02:51:20 * m_billybob read typoese since apparntly hes pretty god at typos himself Jun 05 02:51:41 wow, you're AMAZING at them. Jun 05 02:52:22 section 2.2 Jun 05 02:52:56 what pin is the usr led tied to? Jun 05 02:55:42 PRU what is the doc name ? Jun 05 02:56:01 seems TI is the only one who doesnt have a copy of that doc by that name Jun 05 02:56:18 PRU_EVTOUT_2, that i do not know yet, one of the thigns i need to figure out too Jun 05 02:56:47 well i take that back TI China has it but i dotn read chinese very well Jun 05 02:57:20 wmat: for a second i was wondering how it possibley could take 31 hours to get to Vancouver :) Jun 05 02:58:05 isn't the I-5 car route impossible right now? Jun 05 02:58:54 hahah, i don't know what the doc name is. Jun 05 02:59:00 i renamed it to something meaningful Jun 05 02:59:18 it was pr4234 or something stupid. Jun 05 02:59:24 mranostay: I figured you only had a bike ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 05 02:59:57 2013