**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 12 02:59:58 2013
Jun 12 03:00:35 <maxinux> mac address spoofing is trivial
Jun 12 03:00:51 <maxinux> ip spoofing udp is fine if you dont want to receive the packets, ip spoofing tcp is damned hard
Jun 12 03:04:09 <Shadyman> aka MITM
Jun 12 03:05:48 <Kristina> Am I doing something wrong?
Jun 12 03:08:33 <MH_> So I have this device tree that fails miserably: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64272518/BB-BONE-PRU-01-00A0.dts  I have been trying to set pin modes for gpio and then use the terminal to change their values... I am having very little luck.  The dto successully turns GPIO3_19 as an output, yet no others.  Any pointers?
Jun 12 03:11:41 <ssi> how are you determining that it's not working?
Jun 12 03:13:33 <MH_> I am echoing the pins in the command line and changing there state.  I am also looking at /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pins trying to see what there current pinmuxing is
Jun 12 03:14:04 <MH_> Also I am using /sys/kernel/debug/gpio to check the state of the gpio
Jun 12 03:14:46 <MH_> the states of the gpio change when I toggle them on and off.  Yet the voltage on the pin does not change so I assume my problem is the pinmuxing
Jun 12 03:15:20 <ssi> might be wise to enable pullups or pulldowns
Jun 12 03:15:36 <MH_> does that matter for outputs?
Jun 12 03:16:04 <m_billybob> maxinux spoofing a BT device MAC is a different story
Jun 12 03:16:31 <m_billybob> Kristina, and forward traction ? Havent been watching . .  have battles of my own, but am curious.
Jun 12 03:16:40 <m_billybob> any forward traction*
Jun 12 03:16:58 <Kristina> ... hm?
Jun 12 03:17:08 <m_billybob> darwin, making any progress ?
Jun 12 03:17:13 <Kristina> Ah.
Jun 12 03:17:28 <Kristina> I'm stuck in an interrupt loop.
Jun 12 03:17:43 <ka6sox> Kristina, Darwin on Beagle...appropriate if nothing else.
Jun 12 03:18:02 <m_billybob> :(
Jun 12 03:18:28 <Kristina> ka6sox: are you saying that it's useless?
Jun 12 03:18:33 <m_billybob> will be super interresting once it does work ;)
Jun 12 03:19:07 <ka6sox> Kristina, no, Charles Darwin went around the world on HMS Beagle
Jun 12 03:19:15 <m_billybob> hehehe
Jun 12 03:20:06 <Kristina> Ah!
Jun 12 03:20:16 <Kristina> Also, can anyone actually help me with my interrupt issue?
Jun 12 03:20:25 <m_billybob> Wish me luck ! first attempt at nfs root
Jun 12 03:20:39 <ka6sox> m_billybob, luck!
Jun 12 03:21:21 <ka6sox> mmm...moonstones
Jun 12 03:21:25 <mastiff_> m_billybob: there is some info on that on the forum.  Check that if you haven't seen it already.
Jun 12 03:21:28 <m_billybob> ah dead doornail
Jun 12 03:21:39 * m_billybob presses S2
Jun 12 03:22:27 <m_billybob> hmmm
Jun 12 03:22:31 <m_billybob> blinkies
Jun 12 03:22:41 * m_billybob tries to ssh in
Jun 12 03:23:14 <m_billybob> heh oops connection refused
Jun 12 03:23:45 <m_billybob> time to fire up the old launchpad serial debug
Jun 12 03:24:02 <KotH> a wonderfull, early JIHAD everyone!
Jun 12 03:24:22 * m_billybob nods a JIHAD back
Jun 12 03:24:30 <m_billybob> going quite have to unplug me keyboard
Jun 12 03:25:11 <KotH> Kristina: how often is the irq triggered? how long does it take?
Jun 12 03:25:25 <KotH> Kristina: i'm pretty sure it's a bad idea to use a printf in an often triggered irq
Jun 12 03:25:37 <Kristina> KotH: I know, but it hangs regardless.
Jun 12 03:25:49 <Kristina> I put it in to debug the hang.
Jun 12 03:26:11 <KotH> Kristina: start with ripping out all code first. only clear the irq bit, then add bit by bit back and see when it starts to hang again
Jun 12 03:26:53 <Kristina> KotH: timer is 32KHz, timer triggers IRQ on overflow, load value is u32max - 30000
Jun 12 03:27:42 <KotH> Kristina: if nothing else helps: read the TRM and the generated asm code
Jun 12 03:27:48 <Kristina> KotH: clear the IRQ bit?
Jun 12 03:27:51 <Kristina> hm?
Jun 12 03:27:56 <Kristina> You mean on the timer?
Jun 12 03:27:56 <ka6sox> so at least 2 of us are now on the Watch List
Jun 12 03:28:25 <KotH> yeah.. you have to acknowledge that you have handled the irq on most processors (i dont know the omap3s in detail)
Jun 12 03:28:26 <Kristina> what watchlist? :O
Jun 12 03:28:39 <Kristina> KotH: I thought r32(gPIC + INTCPS_CONTROL) = 1; did that
Jun 12 03:28:56 <KotH> Kristina: as i said, i dont know omap3's details
Jun 12 03:29:07 <KotH> ka6sox: soon to be more #nsa
Jun 12 03:29:08 <KotH> :)
Jun 12 03:30:05 <KotH> Kristina: there are two ways to debug irq handlers: using a GPIO pin and a scope or logic analyzer, or adding code bit by bit until it does everything you need
Jun 12 03:30:25 <KotH> Kristina: i guess you dont have a scope or LA?
Jun 12 03:30:34 <Kristina> I have an LA.
Jun 12 03:30:43 <KotH> then hook it up!
Jun 12 03:30:45 <Kristina> You kidding? LA on the L4 bus inside the SoC?
Jun 12 03:30:52 <KotH> toggle a gpio
Jun 12 03:30:56 <Kristina> Why?
Jun 12 03:31:11 <KotH> because then you can see when your code does what
Jun 12 03:31:14 <prpplague> is that Los Angeles on Louisiana?
Jun 12 03:31:25 <Kristina> How would that help?
Jun 12 03:31:25 <KotH> unless you can use a debugger on that irq
Jun 12 03:31:29 <KotH> salut prpplague
Jun 12 03:31:33 <Kristina> The interrupt is not being cleared.
Jun 12 03:31:42 <KotH> prpplague: we are talking hardware here... so it's logic analyser :)
Jun 12 03:31:45 <Kristina> So the IRQ handler gets called as soon as IRQs are reenabled.
Jun 12 03:31:59 <Kristina> I don't understand how a LA on a GPIO pin will help/
Jun 12 03:32:01 <prpplague> KotH: left off the sarcasm markers
Jun 12 03:32:08 <KotH> prpplague: doh!
Jun 12 03:33:01 <ka6sox> how fast can it be if the clock is 32khz
Jun 12 03:33:11 <ka6sox> a GPIO to an LA might help
Jun 12 03:33:39 * KotH wonders whether he should go back to sleep for another hour or go to work
Jun 12 03:33:41 <Kristina> With the fact that the IC raises the IRQ as soon as it can?
Jun 12 03:33:59 <KotH> Kristina: if you know that already, then read the TRM
Jun 12 03:34:07 <Kristina> I have.
Jun 12 03:34:14 <KotH> and?
Jun 12 03:34:20 <Kristina> It should work.
Jun 12 03:34:24 <KotH> ^^'
Jun 12 03:34:44 * KotH is out ideas how to help, w/o reading the TRM himself
Jun 12 03:35:03 <ds2> moonstones? where?
Jun 12 03:35:51 <KotH> sri lanka?
Jun 12 03:36:58 <ka6sox> ds2, moonstone beach
Jun 12 03:37:13 <Kristina> Oh fuck.
Jun 12 03:37:18 <Kristina> Oh fuck fuck fuck.
Jun 12 03:37:29 <Kristina> I'm meant to write 0x2 to TISR, not clear it.
Jun 12 03:37:33 <Kristina> Fuck fuck fuck!
Jun 12 03:37:35 <ds2> you can still find them there?
Jun 12 03:37:42 <ds2> ka6sox: heard that place was picked over
Jun 12 03:37:43 <ka6sox> yes, I found a whole bunch
Jun 12 03:37:48 <ka6sox> last weekend
Jun 12 03:38:02 <ds2> this is in that beach north of SF, right?
Jun 12 03:38:10 <ka6sox> San Simeon
Jun 12 03:38:23 <ds2> ohhh there is stuff down there?
Jun 12 03:38:32 * ds2 makes a note of that
Jun 12 03:38:34 <ka6sox> ya, lots more ;)
Jun 12 03:40:01 <ka6sox> Kristina, well...
Jun 12 03:41:05 <Kristina> ka6sox: it's not my fault the TRM is so confusing :(
Jun 12 03:41:29 <ka6sox> yes, the TRM is difficult
Jun 12 03:41:40 * Kristina can't tell is sarcasm
Jun 12 03:41:43 <Kristina> if
Jun 12 03:47:47 <ka6sox> Kristina, IRC is tough on sarcasm
Jun 12 03:51:41 <ds2> no one is ever sarcastic here
Jun 12 03:54:02 <m_billybob> ka6sox well it almost works
Jun 12 03:55:56 <m_billybob> apparently my file system is semi hosed
Jun 12 03:56:00 <m_billybob> http://pastebin.com/xnJStH8D
Jun 12 03:56:08 <jj2baile> hmm is BeagleBoard an organization in any legal or official capacity? And how do you refer to yourselves as a collective entity
Jun 12 03:56:44 <ds2> why does it matter?
Jun 12 03:56:51 <ds2> planning on making a donation?
Jun 12 03:56:58 <jj2baile> Doesn't really, i was just curious.
Jun 12 03:57:05 * m_billybob smells a wanna be JR lawyer
Jun 12 03:57:10 <jj2baile> ohgawd.
Jun 12 03:57:18 * m_billybob giggles
Jun 12 03:59:15 <ds2> curiosity kills cats... wonder if does the same to dogs
Jun 12 04:01:35 <ssi> my stuff almost works too
Jun 12 04:03:25 <ka6sox> hiya jj2baile
Jun 12 04:03:57 <ka6sox> iirc beagleboard.org is some kind of organization.
Jun 12 04:04:06 <_av500_> arr
Jun 12 04:04:08 <ka6sox> the website might say what it is.
Jun 12 04:04:15 <ka6sox> mourning _av500_
Jun 12 04:04:20 * ds2 pokes at _av500_'s parrot
Jun 12 04:04:29 <jj2baile> ka6sox: Goodday~
Jun 12 04:04:40 <ka6sox> greetings
Jun 12 04:06:25 <_av500_> jj2baile: I had another thoguht
Jun 12 04:06:33 <_av500_> you dont need the DSP to drive the mcbsp
Jun 12 04:06:45 <_av500_> you just need to shortcut it in the kernel
Jun 12 04:06:50 <_av500_> avoid user space
Jun 12 04:07:13 <jj2baile> I see this is related to your previous thought. However I was confused by your previous thought as well :p
Jun 12 04:07:21 <_av500_> hmm
Jun 12 04:07:33 <_av500_> now I am confused
Jun 12 04:07:47 <_av500_> did you not write about mcbcp on the ML?
Jun 12 04:08:09 <jj2baile> :P Definitely not.
Jun 12 04:08:18 <_av500_> ah ok
Jun 12 04:08:24 <_av500_> ignore all I ever said
Jun 12 04:08:25 <jj2baile> by ML, do you mean the language?
Jun 12 04:08:30 <_av500_> the mailing list
Jun 12 04:08:34 <jj2baile> Oh. Ok.
Jun 12 04:08:52 <jj2baile> Right. Mailing Lists. I need to fix my gmail filtering.
Jun 12 04:09:00 <ds2> speaking of McBSP's
Jun 12 04:09:22 <ds2> anyone tried using McBSP's with no audio sources?
Jun 12 04:10:43 <_av500_> ?
Jun 12 04:11:10 <_av500_> ds2: bitbang I2C with mcbsp?
Jun 12 04:12:06 <ds2> no
Jun 12 04:12:14 <ds2> McSPI like stuff
Jun 12 04:12:19 <ds2> w/o McSPI limitations
Jun 12 04:13:43 <_av500_> as in?
Jun 12 04:14:07 <_av500_> I guess you miss the /CS signal on mcbsp
Jun 12 04:14:24 <ds2> slave mode on the McSPI blows chunks
Jun 12 04:14:56 <_av500_> one does not simply enslave a McSPI
Jun 12 04:14:58 <ds2> the FS stuff isn't too different from /CS
Jun 12 04:15:17 <_av500_> FS is per bit, no?
Jun 12 04:15:24 <ds2> no, per frame
Jun 12 04:15:44 <_av500_> that limits your frame size
Jun 12 04:16:03 <KotH> jj2baile: we refere to ourselves as "trolls" which is similar to "borg" but not quite the same
Jun 12 04:16:04 <ds2> that isn't that different from the limits of /CS on the McSPI
Jun 12 04:16:10 <KotH> jj2baile: nevertheless, resistance is futile
Jun 12 04:16:13 <ds2> CS must toggle per word
Jun 12 04:16:42 <_av500_> bbl
Jun 12 04:16:57 <KotH> moin _av500_
Jun 12 04:17:38 <jj2baile> Excellent
Jun 12 04:20:17 <mastiff_> So, here for the jihad?
Jun 12 04:24:24 <KotH> is there any other reason to be here?
Jun 12 04:25:38 <mrpackethead> be where?
Jun 12 04:40:22 <KotH> for you? being in kiwi land :)
Jun 12 04:48:12 <m_billybob> grrr
Jun 12 04:48:15 <m_billybob> sucess
Jun 12 04:48:16 <m_billybob> root@arm:~# df -h /
Jun 12 04:48:16 <m_billybob> Filesystem                            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
Jun 12 04:48:17 <m_billybob> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/home/william/rootfs  7.6G  5.9G  1.3G  83% /
Jun 12 04:49:14 <mastiff_> Looks like you need more storage for your pr0n...
Jun 12 04:49:29 <m_billybob> thats an 8gb virtual machine
Jun 12 04:49:37 <m_billybob> with tons of dev stuff on it
Jun 12 04:54:56 <mastiff_> mrpackethead: am I remembering correctly that you do LED stuff for your day job?
Jun 12 04:54:56 <KotH> looks like you dont have enough storage for your pr0n
Jun 12 04:55:08 <mrpackethead> "led stuff"
Jun 12 04:55:16 <mastiff_> led controllers?
Jun 12 04:55:16 <mrpackethead> yes,  lots of "led stuff"
Jun 12 04:55:21 <mrpackethead> yes
Jun 12 04:55:52 <mrpackethead> mastiff_: how many million leds do you need to control
Jun 12 04:55:58 <KotH> mrpackethead: is "led stuff" the new euphemism for "black jack and hookers" ? :)
Jun 12 04:56:05 <mastiff_> Ok, so was just wondering if you know of any led tech that can be sewn into fabric
Jun 12 04:56:13 <mrpackethead> mastiff_: yes, in deed i do
Jun 12 04:56:15 <mastiff_> say to make a sail into a display
Jun 12 04:56:16 <mrpackethead> we mae some
Jun 12 04:56:42 <mrpackethead> we make it for performers costumes
Jun 12 04:57:01 <mrpackethead> a sail as in a sail boat?
Jun 12 04:57:06 <mastiff_> exactly
Jun 12 04:57:07 <mrpackethead> that would be an interesting challenge
Jun 12 04:57:09 <mrpackethead> :-)
Jun 12 04:57:13 <av500> make the sail from kindles
Jun 12 04:57:16 <mastiff_> I'm thinking for the mizzen
Jun 12 04:57:34 <mastiff_> wondering if it's feasible
Jun 12 04:58:29 <mrpackethead> tall ship?
Jun 12 04:58:48 <mastiff_> not huge, my boat is a 30ft yawl
Jun 12 04:59:22 <mrpackethead> mastiff_: its doable, but its a question of cost
Jun 12 04:59:24 <mastiff_> main mast is around 40 ft, mizzen is more like 20ft
Jun 12 04:59:28 <mrpackethead> durablity
Jun 12 04:59:29 <mrpackethead> all that
Jun 12 05:00:03 <KotH> if saltwater, then not durable at all ;)
Jun 12 05:00:42 <mastiff_> also fatigue
Jun 12 05:00:56 <mastiff_> lot of stress strain cycles for that application
Jun 12 05:02:10 <mastiff_> If you wanna make a prototype display with your company logo or whatever permanently on the display, I'll sail it around major harbors world wide.
Jun 12 05:03:41 <mastiff_> just an idea ;)
Jun 12 05:08:02 <mrpackethead> rifght
Jun 12 05:08:09 <mrpackethead> KotH: saltwater doesnt worry me
Jun 12 05:08:30 <mrpackethead> the stress's in a sail does
Jun 12 05:09:46 <ssi> what's a couple hundred pounds of wind force between friends?
Jun 12 05:13:44 <m_billybob> heh
Jun 12 05:16:13 <av500> maybe dont let the solder joints take the wind force
Jun 12 05:17:02 <m_billybob> or maybe go wireless and dont worry about it
Jun 12 05:25:44 <Kristina> guys check this out: http://crna.cc/vS4bqjpeYXOE5hK
Jun 12 05:25:48 <Kristina> <3 <3 <3 <3 <#
Jun 12 05:25:50 <Kristina> <3
Jun 12 05:25:52 <Kristina> :D
Jun 12 05:26:06 <av500> another panic?
Jun 12 05:26:32 <Kristina> av500: oh that just means that it was told to boot from a ramdisk and the ramdisk wasn't specified
Jun 12 05:26:47 <av500> but you had dss running already, no?
Jun 12 05:26:52 <Kristina> av500: but it actually boots into a multithreaded kernel with irqs now
Jun 12 05:26:57 <Kristina> av500: got it to work today
Jun 12 05:27:13 <Kristina> today I sorted out the system timer, interrupts and dss
Jun 12 05:27:19 <Kristina> which allowed it to boot this far
Jun 12 05:27:31 <Kristina> now I need to tweak uboot to actually load the ramdisk
Jun 12 05:27:40 <Kristina> and then I'm all good
Jun 12 05:27:44 <av500> fruit ninja when?
Jun 12 05:28:58 <ka6sox> Debugger called PANIC! ...gotta love it
Jun 12 05:32:54 <juice_box> has anyone had issues connecting a micro sd card to the beaglebone black?
Jun 12 05:33:11 <juice_box> I put one in mine and the board would not initialize
Jun 12 05:35:06 <mastiff_> you need to have a proper uEnv.txt
Jun 12 05:35:30 <mastiff_> don't have a link handy, but someone will
Jun 12 05:44:54 <KotH> mrpackethead: hmm? for me strain is easier to handle than salt water
Jun 12 05:48:01 <mastiff_> What are you guys using for conductors?
Jun 12 05:50:48 <KotH> we are continuing the work of tesla and using wireless power
Jun 12 05:52:55 <ds2> KotH: do the staff mtgs include a saonce?
Jun 12 05:52:58 <m_billybob> debugger panic ?
Jun 12 05:55:21 <m_billybob> Kristina, OMG a "workstation" nearly 10% as messy as mine lol
Jun 12 05:55:55 <m_billybob> I actually powered on my BBB last night be settign it down on my desk ( had a metal washer on my desk)
Jun 12 05:56:04 <KotH> ds2: seance?
Jun 12 05:56:36 <KotH> ds2: or rather séance?
Jun 12 05:56:49 <mastiff_> must do back flips radomly while walking down the street to properly channel Tesla
Jun 12 05:58:55 <Kristina> m_billybob: that's not a workstation, that's just beagleboard plugged into a screen and a debugger
Jun 12 06:05:02 <ds2> not sure about the sp
Jun 12 06:10:26 <KotH> you should know your french!
Jun 12 06:13:11 <ka6sox> French?
Jun 12 06:24:20 <KotH> séance is french... it's one of the many loan words usians use but dont know where it comes from or what it originally meant ;)
Jun 12 06:45:23 <_Sy_> Good morning :)
Jun 12 06:46:35 <hitlin37> gm
Jun 12 06:52:06 <KotH> _Sy_: i'm surprised you are still using the webchat
Jun 12 06:52:34 <KotH> i would have thought that anyone gets a real irc client by the third day...
Jun 12 06:54:48 <Shadyman> KotH: You mean second day. Or even first.5 day
Jun 12 06:55:00 <_Sy_> Why?
Jun 12 06:55:29 <_Sy_> I downloaded it, but to be honest, this works for me I'm at work atm, about to start my day...
Jun 12 06:56:03 <_Sy_> When I say it...I meant I have an IRC client at home, but haven't used it yet,,,made some good progress last night.
Jun 12 06:59:35 * dm8tbr just made corporate firewall requests for among other things IRC
Jun 12 06:59:49 <dm8tbr> because that's a business requirement for my projects :-]
Jun 12 06:59:51 <KotH> Shadyman: we are speaking about windows people, they are "slower" ;)
Jun 12 07:00:02 <KotH> dm8tbr: lol
Jun 12 07:00:22 <dm8tbr> KotH: seriously is, one of our clients communicates in 99% over IRC
Jun 12 07:00:36 <Shadyman> hehe
Jun 12 07:00:38 <dm8tbr> including their CEO, CIO, etc
Jun 12 07:01:00 <KotH> dm8tbr: cool!
Jun 12 07:01:11 <KotH> dm8tbr: what comp is that? if i may ask (and know)
Jun 12 07:01:17 <dm8tbr> yes, extremley convenient for me as the primary customer interface
Jun 12 07:01:44 <dm8tbr> KotH: that's currently under NDA, but I think we might announce something soon
Jun 12 07:02:09 <KotH> dm8tbr: please let me know when you can :)
Jun 12 07:09:16 <mhaberler> http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg44198.html
Jun 12 07:13:48 <_Sy_> Hello again...
Jun 12 07:14:36 <mranostay> goodbye again
Jun 12 07:21:16 <ptl> Hi, I installed the Ubuntu beaglebone image on an sdcard and booted through it
Jun 12 07:21:20 <ptl> but now I want the same web development environment that I have in angstron. is it possible? I mean, easily possible?
Jun 12 07:24:00 <justas> hej guys, I have interesting situation. My team was working on one beagle board xm, bought half a year ago by teacher, and it was burnt by some smart group member. I got new beagleboard xm, just put old sd card in, and it works weeeeird, like i2c bus is in slow motion, any ideas?
Jun 12 07:25:38 <KotH> sleep well mranostay... and dream something of flying beer bottles that define a plane
Jun 12 07:26:29 <keesj> justas: perhaps update the bootloader
Jun 12 07:27:53 <mranostay> KotH: just takes three
Jun 12 07:29:13 <ptl> ok... is mine a stupid question? I've read all the BeagleBoardUbuntu wiki page
Jun 12 07:29:41 <ptl> just want to get the ängstrom javascript environment without having to use ängstrom
Jun 12 07:31:44 <ka6sox> why not just use angstrom then?
Jun 12 07:36:59 <KotH> ptl: i dont know what "webdevelopment env" you are talking about, but it is possible
Jun 12 07:37:16 <KotH> ptl: you just have to figure out what software that is and install it
Jun 12 07:37:47 <m_billybob> node.js . . .
Jun 12 07:38:46 <m_billybob> I have not looked into it personaly yet, but porting bonescript from Angstrom to another distro should be farily trivial
Jun 12 07:39:20 <m_billybob> mainly and just off teh top of my head, paths is all that may need to be changed.
Jun 12 07:40:27 <ptl> KotH: yep, that's what I am having difficulty with, the beaglebone 101 pages say it's cloud9, node.js and a bunch of other stuff, I am trying to find out how could I install it on Ubuntu
Jun 12 07:40:39 <_Sy_> I'm not there yet, but I would like to disable node.js and replace it with lighthttpd, but having looked for it I couldn't find where node.js is set-up.
Jun 12 07:41:10 <m_billybob> find / -name node.js
Jun 12 07:41:15 <ptl> m_billybob: yeah... 4 components, I think. node.js (apt-gettable), cloud9 (not on the repositories), bonescript...
Jun 12 07:43:15 <m_billybob> ptl, hmm yeah not sure how important cloud9 really *is*
Jun 12 07:43:38 <m_billybob> im not exactly a web dever, but feel it would be "easy" to write your own interface
Jun 12 07:43:40 <ptl> gpio pins are accessible via /sys
Jun 12 07:43:47 <m_billybob> exactly
Jun 12 07:43:56 <ptl> but cloud9 seems to be sort of the 'introductory' way to do it, and I want to learn it
Jun 12 07:44:17 <ptl> however I find ångström too crude...
Jun 12 07:44:28 <m_billybob> fwiw debian is pretty solid
Jun 12 07:44:41 <ptl> does it include all the environment?
Jun 12 07:44:43 <ptl> i am using the ubuntu image and it doesn't
Jun 12 07:44:59 <m_billybob> someone was saying that ubuntu on the bbb isnt stable, but i suspect the person was just a grumpy old fert
Jun 12 07:45:14 <ptl> lol
Jun 12 07:45:34 <m_billybob> what "envoirnment" ?
Jun 12 07:45:40 <m_billybob> cloud9 etc ?
Jun 12 07:45:41 <ptl> maybe it isn't. My beaglebone hung a few times
Jun 12 07:45:43 <ptl> however I think it's because I am using a 1500 mA power supply
Jun 12 07:45:53 <ptl> and I noticed it is veeeery sensitive to power
Jun 12 07:45:55 <m_billybob> what kind of PSU ?
Jun 12 07:46:01 <m_billybob> switcher ?
Jun 12 07:46:13 <ptl> I couldn't boot it properly with HDMI from USB
Jun 12 07:46:23 <ptl> yes, switched power supply
Jun 12 07:46:34 <m_billybob> Gerald was saying on the groups that power output form power supply is less important than quality
Jun 12 07:46:37 <panto> morning
Jun 12 07:46:41 <ptl> 5V/1500mA
Jun 12 07:46:42 <panto> so what did I miss
Jun 12 07:46:47 <m_billybob> and yeah he says switching power supplies aree probably notthe best
Jun 12 07:46:49 <ptl> it's possible
Jun 12 07:47:17 <ptl> also, it hangs shortly after I try to use a wireless keyboard/mouse dongle
Jun 12 07:47:35 <m_billybob> linear are supposed to be better, but you could try to contact him on the beagleboard groups and see what he has to say. as im not exactly an EE but more of a developer with knowlege of some electronics
Jun 12 07:47:44 <ptl> interestingly, it doesn't happen with my raspberry pi nor the pcduino
Jun 12 07:47:54 <ptl> yeah, me too
Jun 12 07:48:06 <ptl> half sysadmin/half developer actually
Jun 12 07:48:25 <m_billybob> heh im mostly al hardware "geek"
Jun 12 07:48:42 <m_billybob> im at my best figurering out how to make very technical stuff work
Jun 12 07:49:48 <Shadyman> ptl: tried booting up with the dongle in place?
Jun 12 07:49:56 <Shadyman> AFAIK hotplugging USB right now is kinda iffy
Jun 12 07:50:03 <ptl> I am just trying to relearn electronics. My computer engineering course taught me that, but that was many years ago and I followed a software-oriented carrer. Now I am all about relearning and practicing what I've sort of forgot. :)
Jun 12 07:50:08 <ptl> Shadyman: yeah
Jun 12 07:50:17 <m_billybob> hotplugging right now isnt exactly in the current kernels
Jun 12 07:50:18 <ptl> Shadyman: it works for a few seconds
Jun 12 07:50:39 <Shadyman> odd
Jun 12 07:50:43 <ptl> Shadyman: it's not a hotplugging issue, it seems to be a power issue. The dongle blinks when it's receiving mouse coordinates or keystrokes
Jun 12 07:50:57 <ptl> Shadyman: the beaglebone seems to hang after the dongle blinks too much
Jun 12 07:51:03 <m_billybob> from what iveread and have expeprienced, hotplugging will work once. once you remove the device again though, its reboot time
Jun 12 07:51:14 <Shadyman> yeah
Jun 12 07:51:19 <mastiff_> Message from syslogd@autoBBB at Jun 12 07:35:01 ...  kernel:[28842.126103] Internal error: Oops - BUG: 0 [#1] SMP ARM
Jun 12 07:51:26 <ptl> also, after it hangs, it stops pinging back too
Jun 12 07:51:27 <justas> guys, to make sure.... I probably have a burnt beagle board xm. It loads everything, I can see it by my application which could be ran by user button. But if I try to connect any IO like HDMI, usb, lan it does not respond. what is more, if I plug hdmi to turned of beagle it wants to start up, some leds turns on. Ideas? :)
Jun 12 07:51:41 <ptl> so it is really a hardware hang...
Jun 12 07:51:46 <Shadyman> ptl: brownout condition?
Jun 12 07:51:58 <Shadyman> ptl: Are you powering by USB or by barrel plug?
Jun 12 07:52:02 <ptl> justas: mayve it's a bad power supply
Jun 12 07:52:06 <ptl> Shadyman: barrel plug
Jun 12 07:52:13 <m_billybob> justas, soudns liek a question for Gerald on the beagleboard groups
Jun 12 07:52:22 <mrpackethead> oh, i wished i coudl buy what i needed some days
Jun 12 07:52:24 <mrpackethead> :-(
Jun 12 07:52:33 <justas> its good one, as it works with other beagle board xm, and checked voltage.
Jun 12 07:52:35 <m_billybob> mrpackethead like what ?
Jun 12 07:52:38 <Shadyman> ptl: It might be trying to pull too much power. IIRC, when it's barrel-plugged, it tries to kick it up a notch, and go full 1Ghz
Jun 12 07:52:48 <mrpackethead> a power supply
Jun 12 07:52:55 <mrpackethead> needs to fit into a specific space
Jun 12 07:52:57 <Shadyman> ptl: Try plugging it in by USB and see if that makes a difference
Jun 12 07:53:01 <mrpackethead> thermal propertys
Jun 12 07:53:02 <mrpackethead> etc etf
Jun 12 07:53:05 <mrpackethead> :-(
Jun 12 07:53:08 <m_billybob> ah
Jun 12 07:53:09 <ptl> Shadyman: maybe, I've ordered another power supply, I'll try it to see if there is any difference
Jun 12 07:53:19 <ptl> Shadyman: in USB it's way worse
Jun 12 07:53:26 <Shadyman> huh
Jun 12 07:53:41 <ptl> Shadyman: it doesn't even start if I plug it to HDMI when using USB
Jun 12 07:53:42 <m_billybob> ptl what do you have connected to your bbb ?
Jun 12 07:53:45 <Shadyman> ptl: what else do you have plugged in?
Jun 12 07:53:50 <ptl> Shadyman: I have to unplug HDMI for being able to power it from USB
Jun 12 07:54:03 <ptl> Shadyman: ethernet cable, nothing else
Jun 12 07:54:21 <ptl> ah, and of course, the Ubuntu 32GB Sandisk MicroSD
Jun 12 07:54:25 <mastiff_> mrpackethead: maybe useful for you http://www.prodctodc.com/
Jun 12 07:54:32 <m_billybob> ptl well the SRM states that the BBB by its self can draw up to 460mA at boot
Jun 12 07:54:49 <ptl> which is close to USB limit 500mA
Jun 12 07:54:56 <m_billybob> so, with ethernet and hdmi, it could technically be drawing more I suppose ?
Jun 12 07:55:00 <ptl> so I did not even try USB too hard
Jun 12 07:55:02 <m_billybob> exactly
Jun 12 07:55:09 <m_billybob> for what itis worth
Jun 12 07:55:27 <m_billybob> i use USB 3.0, and I can boot with ethernet, and BT dongle
Jun 12 07:55:37 <mrpackethead> mastif.. right
Jun 12 07:55:39 <mrpackethead> thansk
Jun 12 07:55:42 <m_billybob> but usb 3.0 can provide up to 900-100mA
Jun 12 07:55:50 <m_billybob> 1000*
Jun 12 07:56:48 <m_billybob> but right now, i have NFS /root/ setup, and sometimes i have to hit S2 a couple of times to get it to boot
Jun 12 07:57:15 <ptl> your / is through NFS?
Jun 12 07:57:27 <m_billybob> yeah, i just got it setup today
Jun 12 07:57:43 <m_billybob> have iSCSI /home too if i want it ;)
Jun 12 07:58:07 <ptl> Wow. Congrats. Due to boot problems with my other ARMs, I'd only try that if I had way more free time than I have today...
Jun 12 07:58:41 <ptl> I'd actually try using LVM first. :P
Jun 12 07:58:45 <m_billybob> Yeah ive not seen anyone else have it setup yet
Jun 12 07:58:53 <m_billybob> im sure someone does just not chatty about it
Jun 12 07:59:08 <ptl> I use LVM in two or my ARM boxes but not rootvg, only external data vgs
Jun 12 08:00:38 <m_billybob> I got iSCSI /home workign last week, for the last 4-5 days ive been trying to get this to work, and since I didnt have a 3v3 ftdi ttl module, yesterday I had to repurpose an MSP430 v1.5 launchpad to work as a serial debug interface
Jun 12 08:01:04 <m_billybob> works good, but limited to 9600 BAUD
Jun 12 08:01:50 <av500> m_billybob: I have NSF booting
Jun 12 08:01:57 <av500> er, NFS
Jun 12 08:02:03 <av500> NSA too
Jun 12 08:02:09 <m_billybob> oPossum5150, Rickta59, and another person gave me a hand with the serial debug thing
Jun 12 08:02:43 <m_billybob> av500 on the BBB ?
Jun 12 08:02:50 <av500> yes
Jun 12 08:03:07 <av500> when I saw emmc and "flashing", that was the first thing I did :)
Jun 12 08:03:18 <m_billybob> ok cool. took me a while to figure it out, i knew nothing about uboot
Jun 12 08:03:35 <av500> I think I spent most time to setup env vars
Jun 12 08:03:56 <av500> and uboots lack of a command line
Jun 12 08:04:17 <av500> and that idiotic uenv idea
Jun 12 08:04:29 <RagBal> Is it possible to 'unload' a dtb file?
Jun 12 08:04:31 <m_billybob> i literally looked though like 10 persons uEnv.txt file until the syntax started to make sense then i pinged RCN on EEWIKI as to where i could find more information. he linked me to a header file for uboot
Jun 12 08:04:37 <m_billybob> and then it all became clear
Jun 12 08:04:41 <av500> yes
Jun 12 08:04:51 <av500> you need to know what is in the default env
Jun 12 08:04:59 <RagBal> I loaded it with echo <name> > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots
Jun 12 08:05:12 <av500> and that uenv is not a feature of uboot, but of a script
Jun 12 08:05:42 <m_billybob> regardless i've got it al down now
Jun 12 08:05:46 <av500> good
Jun 12 08:05:59 <av500> just nfs or you load the kernel too?
Jun 12 08:06:05 <av500> over tftp
Jun 12 08:06:07 <m_billybob> i guess technically netargs is optargs whcih is kernel passed parameters
Jun 12 08:06:14 <m_billybob> whats the point ?
Jun 12 08:06:17 <av500> ?
Jun 12 08:06:19 <ptl> you "had to repurpose an MSP430 v1.5 launchpad to work as a serial debug interface" - I don't imagine how this is done. I thought you could just use a USB-to-ttl to the beaglebone and access a serial console?
Jun 12 08:06:28 <ptl> ah, that would be the 3v3 ftdi ttl module
Jun 12 08:06:28 <m_billybob> unless you load parameters via eeprom or something
Jun 12 08:06:53 <av500> m_billybob: for kernel work, its nice to not have to copy the kernel over
Jun 12 08:07:06 <m_billybob> I suppose
Jun 12 08:07:27 <ptl> I've got 5 USB to serial cables/converters and I still do not understand when it is 'ftdi' and when it is not.
Jun 12 08:07:31 <m_billybob> av500 its not possible without a tftp aware DHCP server though right ?
Jun 12 08:07:44 <av500> m_billybob: no need
Jun 12 08:07:48 <av500> I just run a tftp server
Jun 12 08:07:49 <m_billybob> ptl ftdi is just a brand
Jun 12 08:07:53 <m_billybob> THE brand
Jun 12 08:08:00 <av500> IP is hardcodec in uboot env
Jun 12 08:08:14 <m_billybob> av500 ah so then ok cool
Jun 12 08:08:22 <ptl> ah. it is used interchangeably with serial so it got me confused.
Jun 12 08:08:33 <av500> yes
Jun 12 08:08:46 <m_billybob> I seemed to recall several years back I didnt have to setup a DHCP server then either (  for x86 desktop hardware ) but  . . .memory failed me
Jun 12 08:09:08 <m_billybob> ptl, it *needs* to be 3v3 ttl though
Jun 12 08:09:23 <m_billybob> use a 5v one, and you'll burn out the serial debug port
Jun 12 08:09:54 <koen> av500: if you have a 'next-server' entry in your dhcp server config all you need in u-boot is 'dhcp ; bootm'
Jun 12 08:10:02 <koen> provided 'bootfile' points to the right name
Jun 12 08:10:11 <ptl> yep, I know. This 5V / 3V3 seems to be a recurring concern in the embedded world. I wonder how many devices were fried due to it. And there's 1.8V for some TTL signals too, like in the Nexus5 headphone/serial cable
Jun 12 08:10:28 <m_billybob> av500, next step for super geekdom .  .iSCSI boot ;)
Jun 12 08:10:41 <ptl> *Nexus4
Jun 12 08:11:14 <m_billybob> its a shame the bbb doesnt have GbE
Jun 12 08:11:26 <m_billybob> but im happy with the price so yeah . . .trade off
Jun 12 08:12:24 <m_billybob> funny thing about about the serial debug "port"
Jun 12 08:12:33 <m_billybob> it powers my  launchpad
Jun 12 08:12:51 <m_billybob> atleast it lights up the power LED
Jun 12 08:13:04 <ptl> I bought an ARM dev board with 5 serial connectors
Jun 12 08:13:16 <ptl> ESBC-3200... Wonderful device
Jun 12 08:13:22 <av500> koen: my dhcp server is some router
Jun 12 08:13:26 <av500> or the work server
Jun 12 08:13:41 <ptl> as soon as I figure out where to buy the cables I'll make it my console server :P
Jun 12 08:13:59 <av500> buy a bunch of VT100s
Jun 12 08:14:07 <panto> where?
Jun 12 08:14:08 <av500> and let poor English kids learn computing
Jun 12 08:14:21 <m_billybob> av500, so i should be able to just drop MLO uboot.img, and uEnv.txt into my boot part on my NFS server and TFTP it out ?
Jun 12 08:14:25 <mrpackethead> on this network, i get dhcp from the gateway device, but it is just proxying it to a central dhcp service
Jun 12 08:14:39 <dm8tbr> it certainly should have enough UARTs to make for a nice 'mainframe' ;)
Jun 12 08:14:41 <ptl> that part would be the most difficult, since I live in Brazil :)
Jun 12 08:14:51 <av500> m_billybob: no
Jun 12 08:15:04 <av500> m_billybob: er well
Jun 12 08:15:05 <av500> yes
Jun 12 08:15:11 <av500> you can do full network boot
Jun 12 08:15:25 <ptl> Had to paid about three times the price of the board when adding taxes and shipping
Jun 12 08:15:26 * dm8tbr suspects it needs sysboot modification though
Jun 12 08:15:28 <m_billybob> av500 i understand i would have to set more env parameters
Jun 12 08:15:43 <av500> m_billybob: no
Jun 12 08:15:46 <m_billybob> no ?
Jun 12 08:15:50 <av500> the ROM code can boot from ethernet
Jun 12 08:15:55 <av500> nothing to set on the BBB
Jun 12 08:16:00 <av500> just a bootp and tftp server
Jun 12 08:16:06 <av500> dm8tbr: nope
Jun 12 08:16:09 <dm8tbr> oh, nice
Jun 12 08:16:13 <av500> er wiat
Jun 12 08:16:14 <av500> wait
Jun 12 08:16:16 <av500> no
Jun 12 08:16:18 <av500> you are right
Jun 12 08:16:20 <av500> sec
Jun 12 08:16:21 <RagBal> When trying to enable dcan0 I get a message "pinctrl-single 44e10800.pinmux: pin 44e1097c already requested by 4819c000.i2c; cannot claim for 481cc000.d_can" do I need to disable the i2c device first?
Jun 12 08:16:41 <av500> yes, needs fiddling with sysboot pins
Jun 12 08:16:45 <av500> usb boot is there and serial
Jun 12 08:16:47 <av500> not network
Jun 12 08:17:34 <m_billybob> does usb boot work ?
Jun 12 08:17:41 <av500> it should
Jun 12 08:17:44 <m_billybob> ive been told that the hardware isn supported
Jun 12 08:17:52 <av500> one GSoC is working on that as we speak
Jun 12 08:17:58 <av500> netboot should work
Jun 12 08:18:01 <av500> koen knows more
Jun 12 08:18:02 <m_billybob> anyhow this is all i have at current in uEnv
Jun 12 08:18:03 <m_billybob> netargs=setenv bootargs console=${console} ${optargs} root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=${serverip}:${rootpath},vers=3 rw ip=${ipaddr}
Jun 12 08:18:06 <av500> but you need to modify the board
Jun 12 08:18:19 <av500> m_billybob: yes, this is fine to load rootfs from the net
Jun 12 08:19:13 <m_billybob> i think id have to set more for tftp boot  ? or atleast i noticed more seting in this uboot header file i was reading through
Jun 12 08:19:21 <av500> yes
Jun 12 08:20:04 <m_billybob> ah actualy I'd just have to replace the mmc load "code"
Jun 12 08:20:09 <mrpackethead> been a while since i've used a 555 IC
Jun 12 08:20:17 <_av500_> http://pastebin.com/A0ub8pCP
Jun 12 08:20:21 <mrpackethead> might have been teh first IC i ever used as a kid
Jun 12 08:20:22 <_av500_> m_billybob: ^^^
Jun 12 08:20:29 <_av500_> it wont work with stock uboot
Jun 12 08:20:33 <_av500_> since I added preEnv.txt
Jun 12 08:21:42 <m_billybob> it should come close
Jun 12 08:21:44 <m_billybob> thanks
Jun 12 08:21:57 <m_billybob> meaning its enough to give me ideas of how to make it work
Jun 12 08:22:15 <av500> yep
Jun 12 08:22:22 <m_billybob> RCN does this
Jun 12 08:22:23 <m_billybob> loadfdt=load mmc ${mmcdev}:${mmcpart} 0x815f0000 /dtbs/${fdtfile}
Jun 12 08:22:31 <m_billybob> for dt's
Jun 12 08:22:46 <m_billybob> for now im still using that
Jun 12 08:23:32 <av500> this is from sd/emmc
Jun 12 08:23:37 <m_billybob> av500 still i may just leave it as is. I mean you still need flash for an env file right ?
Jun 12 08:23:39 <m_billybob> yeah
Jun 12 08:23:44 <av500> flash or sd
Jun 12 08:24:11 <m_billybob> you point is valid though too
Jun 12 08:24:15 <m_billybob> your point*
Jun 12 08:24:38 <m_billybob> im still linux dev / kernel newb so perhaps later when i learn more
Jun 12 08:26:14 <m_billybob> Im just really happy that for the most part I can tweak my builds ( minus kernel / dt stuff ) to my hearts content and not have to worry about burning out SD cards / eMMC
Jun 12 08:28:18 <m_billybob> Now . .  to write a script to automate reverting my rootfs
Jun 12 08:29:48 <m_billybob> av500 thanks for the paste :)
Jun 12 08:31:08 <kenny___> hey guys
Jun 12 08:31:17 <kenny___> anyboody on?
Jun 12 08:31:37 <m_billybob> no ones home !
Jun 12 08:31:52 <kenny___> u was just wondering if its possible to install PwnPi on a beaglebone black? or is there a pentesting distro out for it?
Jun 12 08:31:59 <m_billybob> Dont ask to ask, just ask ;)
Jun 12 08:32:11 <kenny___> haha well you get the point
Jun 12 08:32:21 <av500> kenny___: it runs linux
Jun 12 08:33:00 <kenny___> oh sweet, so that pretty much sums up all pentesting distros
Jun 12 08:33:06 <av500> see
Jun 12 08:33:08 <av500> easy
Jun 12 08:33:22 <kenny___> cool beans
Jun 12 08:33:34 <av500> le sigh
Jun 12 08:33:42 <kenny___> should i look at getting the cubieboard or the beaglebone black?
Jun 12 08:33:51 <m_billybob> for pentesting ?
Jun 12 08:34:08 <kenny___> ... a bit of everything but yes mainly pentesting
Jun 12 08:34:10 <m_billybob> cubieboard total setup is like 10x the cost isnt it ?
Jun 12 08:34:27 <m_billybob> or maybe im thinking of the odroid
Jun 12 08:34:43 <kenny___> no not really, only about 10-15 $$ more
Jun 12 08:35:00 <kenny___> okay... i havnt looked at the odroid yet
Jun 12 08:35:07 <m_billybob> dont bother
Jun 12 08:35:17 <m_billybob> setup costs will kill you
Jun 12 08:35:22 <m_billybob> it is fast though
Jun 12 08:35:54 <m_billybob> supposed to be an intel core i3 killer in some respects
Jun 12 08:36:08 <mastiff_> m_billybob: bluetooth pairing is causing BBB freeze up
Jun 12 08:36:29 <mastiff_> single blue death led
Jun 12 08:36:34 <m_billybob> mastiff_ so dont try to pair two identical MAC address devices lol
Jun 12 08:36:50 <m_billybob> you just found out what the result would be
Jun 12 08:37:01 <mastiff_> no no no
Jun 12 08:37:17 <mastiff_> pairing to ttl BT with different mac
Jun 12 08:37:27 <mastiff_> streaming sensor data from arduino
Jun 12 08:37:34 <mastiff_> phone pairs with it no prob
Jun 12 08:37:43 <mastiff_> BBB get blue led of death
Jun 12 08:37:44 <m_billybob> were you logged in via ssh ?
Jun 12 08:37:50 <mastiff_> crashes ssh session
Jun 12 08:38:08 <m_billybob> right so it booted you to reg user after a seg fault the ncrashed ?
Jun 12 08:38:56 <mastiff_> # rfcomm connect hci0  00:12:06:04:96:65 Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Connection refused
Jun 12 08:39:01 <mastiff_> crash
Jun 12 08:39:14 <m_billybob> mastiff_ maybe try to gather as much information as you can, and post it on the groups, im sure RCN would be interrested in the data
Jun 12 08:39:53 <mastiff_> will do, was just wondering if you had successfully paired with that cambridge BT
Jun 12 08:39:54 <m_billybob> I had teh same problem i just assumed it was related to rying to pair two identical MACs
Jun 12 08:40:09 <m_billybob> no i only have devices with identical MACs
Jun 12 08:40:17 <m_billybob> well actually I could try my phone . . .
Jun 12 08:40:32 <m_billybob> but i no longer have the software installed
Jun 12 08:40:32 <mastiff_> that adapter works with my laptop
Jun 12 08:40:39 <m_billybob> you did apt-get install bluetooth ?
Jun 12 08:40:44 <mastiff_> bluez
Jun 12 08:41:15 <m_billybob> you may need to instal the bluetooth package too, but be warned it'll pull in another 400-500MB
Jun 12 08:41:41 <m_billybob> im super new to bluetooth so not sure exactly what all you need installed
Jun 12 08:42:04 <m_billybob> but ewhat information i did find on the web seemed to indicate that the package bluetooth was necessary
Jun 12 08:43:51 <mastiff_> I think it's installed because this command works.  # /etc/init.d/bluetooth status            bluetooth is running
Jun 12 08:44:54 <mastiff_> and hcitool scan finds BT devices
Jun 12 08:46:26 <m_billybob> again, im not an expert, just going by what ive read on the web
Jun 12 08:47:22 <mastiff_> rebooting to try apt-get install bluetooth
Jun 12 08:49:25 <mastiff_> 200MB of mostly crap in that package
Jun 12 08:49:48 <mastiff_> but it might have something I'm missing
Jun 12 08:50:03 <m_billybob> http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser
Jun 12 08:50:05 <mastiff_> lost of device drivers and irrelevant stuff
Jun 12 08:50:54 <mastiff_> yeah that's one of the docs I was working from
Jun 12 08:51:52 <justas> is there a chance, that 2, rev C beagle board xm has different i2c2 bus speeds? :)
Jun 12 08:52:15 <m_billybob> one of the cool thigns about debian, if you dont know something you just google "debian <something>" and msot of the time you'll find what you need
Jun 12 08:52:42 <m_billybob> and what you cant find for debian, most of the time stuff that works on ubuntu works for debian too, with minor or not tweaks
Jun 12 08:53:06 <m_billybob> or no tweaks*
Jun 12 08:54:15 <rob___> hi to all
Jun 12 08:54:35 <m_billybob> hi
Jun 12 08:55:54 <mastiff_> yay, hp printer drivers
Jun 12 08:56:28 <m_billybob> lol yeah i pitched a fit when i saw all that crap bluetooth pulled in
Jun 12 08:57:49 <RagBal> Is there a possibility to enable dcan0 on the BeagleBone Black? It seems that i2c2 is configured on those pins and doesn't seem to allow me to change it
Jun 12 08:58:20 <m_billybob> i was thinking, "why do i need cups, printer drivers i dont need or use, and why FFS do i need image libraries for bluetooth . ."
Jun 12 08:58:53 <mastiff_> got some foomatic whoo hoo
Jun 12 08:58:54 <m_billybob> mastiff_ i suspect much of that package is meant for X
Jun 12 08:59:31 <mastiff_> yeah, it's cool this is just to see if it solves the single blue led of death
Jun 12 08:59:42 <m_billybob> RagBal, you would have to unload that I2C overlay
Jun 12 08:59:50 <m_billybob> ( i think )
Jun 12 09:00:25 <RagBal> i2c2 has some internal devices attatched to it
Jun 12 09:00:43 <m_billybob> ah my bad is that connected to the emmc or hdmi ?
Jun 12 09:01:17 <RagBal> It is connected to the EEPROM
Jun 12 09:01:40 <m_billybob> ok, well your man just showed up if hes paying attention to channel today
Jun 12 09:01:54 <m_billybob> morning panto.
Jun 12 09:02:06 <RagBal> You mean panto ?
Jun 12 09:02:11 <m_billybob> yes
Jun 12 09:02:15 <KotH> you mean greek guy?
Jun 12 09:02:19 <panto> hi m_billybob
Jun 12 09:02:20 <RagBal> Ah, will ask my question again then =)
Jun 12 09:02:23 <RagBal> Is there a possibility to enable dcan0 on the BeagleBone Black? It seems that i2c2 is configured on those pins and doesn't seem to allow me to change it
Jun 12 09:02:49 <mastiff_> seems to have made things worse lol
Jun 12 09:02:53 <mastiff_> root@autoBBB:/home/chris# hcitool dev Devices:
Jun 12 09:03:07 <panto> RagBal, check out arch/arm/boot/dts/am335x-tester.dts
Jun 12 09:03:38 <panto> that's a bb white that has something else connected on the i2c2 pins
Jun 12 09:04:08 <RagBal> Ohh nice, thanks
Jun 12 09:04:19 <panto> if you just comment out the slot@0-3 nodes in the dts it will just work
Jun 12 09:04:50 <panto> you'll miss all cape auto-load magic but you don't care about that
Jun 12 09:05:22 <RagBal> 0-3 are already commented out for me in the file
Jun 12 09:05:28 <panto> if you do that, come up with a different board name or add some kind of suffix
Jun 12 09:05:29 <panto> RagBal, yes
Jun 12 09:05:39 <mastiff_> ok, restarting bluetooth services brought it back
Jun 12 09:05:47 <panto> ok, afk for a bit
Jun 12 09:05:51 <RagBal> panto, thanks
Jun 12 09:05:59 <panto> RagBal, np
Jun 12 09:06:53 <jackmitchell> mdp, I didn't realise you had switched to Linaro, I had been very confused at your recent broadcom patches popping up
Jun 12 09:11:40 <justas> guys, updating bootloader for beagleboard xm, any links for tutorial and explanation what it does exactly. Cant find :(
Jun 12 09:15:47 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/_VW2xA
Jun 12 09:15:48 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.8 fd499b4 Koen Kooi: 3.8: implement resolution whitelist/blacklist for HDMI...
Jun 12 09:16:25 <m_billybob> whoot whoot
Jun 12 09:16:38 <koen> jackmitchell: mdp is with r-pi now ;)
Jun 12 09:18:35 <cleb> I have a BBB, and would like to add a second ethernet interface. Can anyone reccomend a suitable USB to Ethernet adapter that works with the BBB and Debian (3.8 kernel)?
Jun 12 09:19:13 <jackmitchell> cleb: probably most of them, google will be your friend here
Jun 12 09:19:26 <PirateAl> Hello all\
Jun 12 09:20:53 <PirateAl> Anyone know about the PLC project
Jun 12 09:21:17 <m_billybob> goodnight all
Jun 12 09:22:15 <sana> hhi all
Jun 12 09:22:50 <Guest89369> any 1 here?
Jun 12 09:22:59 <av500> no
Jun 12 09:23:04 <av500> not 1, 250
Jun 12 09:23:17 <Guest89369> need help
Jun 12 09:23:23 <keesj> there ain't nobody here but us chickens
Jun 12 09:32:21 <rob___> I've got problem running TI-Android-ICS-4.0.3-DevKit-3.0.0 on a BeagleBoard-xM rev C1. I succesfully prepared the sd card but when i power up the board for the first time it reboot continuously
Jun 12 09:32:39 <Rotti> hi!
Jun 12 09:33:03 <PirateAl> i want to make a PLC with the doggybord
Jun 12 09:35:41 <av500> rob___: serial connected?
Jun 12 09:35:55 <rob___> yes
Jun 12 09:36:08 <rob___> but none serial device recognized
Jun 12 09:36:27 <av500> ?
Jun 12 09:36:33 <av500> nothing be to recognized
Jun 12 09:36:56 <av500> you need either a real serial port or a usb2serial one
Jun 12 09:37:02 <av500> connected to the DB9
Jun 12 09:37:10 <av500> and minicom/hyperterm or whatever
Jun 12 09:37:39 <rob___> but windows show me OMAP3630 driver request screen
Jun 12 09:40:05 <ogra_> does that image have a recovery mode ? iif so you should be able to use adb through a normal USB cable to just connect and see the log in /proc/last_kmesg
Jun 12 09:43:09 <jacekowski> PirateAl: there is a lot more to a PLC than just the CPU
Jun 12 09:43:59 <jacekowski> PirateAl: PLC needs a lof of connectivity to other devices
Jun 12 09:44:18 <jacekowski> in forms of network and local inputs/outputs
Jun 12 09:44:23 <jacekowski> and extensibility
Jun 12 09:44:25 <jacekowski> and reliablity
Jun 12 09:45:07 <rob___> i'll try, thanks
Jun 12 09:54:38 <panto> afk
Jun 12 10:10:11 <PirateAl> jacekowski: i know arduino have a supported UI and Plugin relay bord   i was looking to doing it with Beagle
Jun 12 10:11:34 <jacekowski> relay board is not enough to make a good usable PLC
Jun 12 10:11:48 <jacekowski> http://www.ab.com/en/epub/catalogs/12762/2181376/2416247/360807/360809/
Jun 12 10:12:07 <jacekowski> that's typical PLC system
Jun 12 10:12:15 <mru> 'usable' is all a matter of requirements
Jun 12 10:12:32 <jacekowski> you have controller itself (which BB could replicate) but then you have massive amounts of I/Os and other interface hardware
Jun 12 10:12:42 <jacekowski> everything made virtually bulletproof
Jun 12 10:13:00 <jacekowski> with a lot of diagnostic if it fails
Jun 12 10:13:35 <mru> you cam probably get PLCs that withstand at least small real bullets too
Jun 12 10:15:20 <jacekowski> and another thing is, it uses SRAM to store current program and memory
Jun 12 10:15:27 <jacekowski> and it's battery backed
Jun 12 10:15:44 <jacekowski> so if power fails, it can resume execution from where it left off
Jun 12 10:16:13 <mru> my workstation is battery backed
Jun 12 10:17:05 <av500> my battery is battery backed
Jun 12 10:17:39 <mru> and your horse?
Jun 12 10:18:58 <av500> mru: stapled
Jun 12 10:20:36 * ogra_ hopes with the new shiny 90 degree staples ... 
Jun 12 10:21:48 <av500> ogra_: with neon gradients
Jun 12 10:21:55 <mru> correct, right-angled staples
Jun 12 10:21:57 <ogra_> +1
Jun 12 10:32:16 <Rotti> i'm working on a cape for the beaglebone (black) with an optional ftdi chip for the missing serial interface which i'd like to use from time to time... i'm thinking of adding a female header to the cape, but i can't find information on the exact position of the header on the bbb (can't open orcad files)
Jun 12 10:32:51 <av500> Rotti: its in the 2.54 mm grid
Jun 12 10:33:00 <av500> relative to P8/P9
Jun 12 10:33:43 <av500> ah nooo
Jun 12 10:33:46 <av500> ignore that
Jun 12 10:33:47 <av500> its not
Jun 12 10:34:35 <jarif> hi
Jun 12 10:35:01 <av500> lo
Jun 12 10:35:15 <jarif> have a query regarding beagle bone black usb camera?
Jun 12 10:35:27 <av500> then ask
Jun 12 10:35:49 <jarif> which usb camera work with beagle bone black?
Jun 12 10:36:01 <mru> which usb camera works at all?
Jun 12 10:36:05 <av500> one that has a linux driver
Jun 12 10:36:16 <jarif> and can i get 20 fps with 640X480
Jun 12 10:36:19 <av500> yes
Jun 12 10:36:22 <jarif> resolution
Jun 12 10:36:22 <av500> thats doable
Jun 12 10:36:34 <mru> beware of isochronous mode, or have they stopped using that?
Jun 12 10:36:56 <av500> did they ever?
Jun 12 10:37:31 <mru> depends on to which they you refer
Jun 12 10:37:32 <jarif> would u suggest me any specific usb camera name?
Jun 12 10:37:38 <av500> no idea
Jun 12 10:37:50 <jackmitchell> jarif: rather than camera names, I would search by camera chips if possible
Jun 12 10:38:01 <av500> googling for beagle bone and usb camera might help
Jun 12 10:38:05 <mru> most of them are probably made by ricoh anyway
Jun 12 10:38:06 <av500> thats what I would do
Jun 12 10:38:41 <jackmitchell> jarif: find a camera that does what you want, try and find out the chip, check if chip is support on Linux
Jun 12 10:39:02 <av500> or buy a $10 webcam and try
Jun 12 10:39:11 <jarif> ok
Jun 12 11:31:48 <mru> KotH: http://heise.de/-1886930
Jun 12 11:45:43 <mdp> jackmitchell: koen is really trolling about r-pi :)
Jun 12 12:02:08 <jackmitchell> mdp: heh, yeah I saw that it was a slightly different SoC
Jun 12 12:02:33 <jackmitchell> I was speaking to Linaro about a job recently, OpenEmbedded/ARM Landing
Jun 12 12:03:16 <mdp> ahh
Jun 12 12:03:42 <jackmitchell> didn't come to anything, but the position has disappeared , they were worried about lack of experience I think
Jun 12 12:04:03 <mdp> jackmitchell: bcm2835 exists in the evil spock universe separate from what I'm working
Jun 12 12:04:22 <av500> mdp: what are you working on?
Jun 12 12:04:24 <av500> rpi2?
Jun 12 12:05:17 <mru> surely r2pi
Jun 12 12:05:29 <av500> r2p2
Jun 12 12:05:41 <mdp> yes..rpi2...the rpi killer
Jun 12 12:21:47 <philenotfound> 230V is the rpi killer
Jun 12 12:22:39 <kfoltman> A USB hub is the rpi killer
Jun 12 12:23:08 <Bodo_> Hey, does anyone have experience with the FTDIUSB driver for Mac OSX?
Jun 12 12:23:30 <Bodo_> there is no /dev/tty* for the BeagleBone on my computer
Jun 12 12:24:05 <kfoltman> Why should there be? BeagleBone presents itself as a fake Ethernet, not as a fake serial port?
Jun 12 12:24:47 <philenotfound> kfoltman: i thought both?
Jun 12 12:25:29 <Bodo_> theoretically you should be able to write to the boards tty from the host through usb (at least with the original BeagleBone)
Jun 12 12:27:27 <kfoltman> Bodo_: do you have anything similar to lsusb on Linux?
Jun 12 12:27:53 <Bodo_> wait
Jun 12 12:28:47 <Bodo_> yep
Jun 12 12:29:05 <Bodo_> what should I do with it?
Jun 12 12:29:29 <av500> its a virus!
Jun 12 12:29:52 <philenotfound> sweep the leg
Jun 12 12:31:27 <Jacmet> *grumble* /me hates usb/cppi dma issues :/
Jun 12 12:32:34 <Bodo_> or something else... how can I boot from a sd card?
Jun 12 12:33:28 <mdp> Jacmet: :)
Jun 12 12:39:38 <Jacmet> mdp: on ti816x with the evil vendor tree I had a report about usb related hangs that I tracked down to the cppi dma stuff
Jun 12 12:39:50 <Jacmet> mdp: so it's MUSB_PIO_ONLY for now
Jun 12 12:40:07 <av500> mdp: does the rpi have musb too?
Jun 12 12:40:25 <mru> av500: doesn't rpi effectively bitbang usb?
Jun 12 12:41:50 <KotH> it's only half way to bitbang
Jun 12 12:42:03 <KotH> but for our purposes, that's probably close enough
Jun 12 12:43:12 <das> For MLC eMMC, is a combination of SquashFS/EXT3 recommended to hold bootloader+kernel/FS ?
Jun 12 12:44:51 <Jacmet> das: as long as you're not writing to the fs and your bootloader can read it, I don't think it matters much what you select
Jun 12 12:45:25 <mru> fat is nice and simple
Jun 12 12:45:40 <mru> and required for mlo anyway
Jun 12 12:46:02 <Jacmet> mru: well, you can boot mlo from raw emmc as well
Jun 12 12:46:12 <mru> sure
Jun 12 12:46:21 <mru> but fat is often more convenient
Jun 12 12:46:23 <Jacmet> mru: which gives you redundancy, so failsafe upgrades
Jun 12 12:46:25 <o0rl> hi guys
Jun 12 12:46:52 <o0rl> i am newbie to beagles and i need help, is there anyone can help me?
Jun 12 12:47:13 <mdp> av500, fexusb
Jun 12 12:47:22 <das> Jacmet: there will be some writing/upgrading involved
Jun 12 12:47:44 <das> I think bootloaders might just be moved to some NOR
Jun 12 12:47:57 <das> as itùs more convenient anyways for some certifs
Jun 12 12:48:00 <av500> o0rl: just ask
Jun 12 12:48:03 <av500> dont ask to ask
Jun 12 12:48:05 <mdp> Jacmet, yes, they all share the same musb cppi 4.1 integration .. 813x/4x/6x/am335x
Jun 12 12:48:18 <o0rl> ok thanks
Jun 12 12:48:29 <o0rl> first of all i am familiar to fpga & microblaze
Jun 12 12:48:44 <o0rl> i try to just put hello world on uart
Jun 12 12:48:50 <av500> we wont hold that against you
Jun 12 12:48:57 <o0rl> i follow the startging guide
Jun 12 12:49:03 <o0rl> but couldnt succeedd
Jun 12 12:49:13 <Jacmet> das: I'm using mlo in raw emmc, kernel + boot script in fat, and rootfs on (readonly) ext. With everything doubled and a ping/pong setup for upgrades
Jun 12 12:49:48 <o0rl> is there a starting guide which is explained step by step
Jun 12 12:50:08 <av500> explain what?
Jun 12 12:50:29 <o0rl> detailly and clearly how to load elf file into the beagle
Jun 12 12:50:30 <Jacmet> mdp: so they share issues :/
Jun 12 12:50:43 <av500> o0rl: running linux?
Jun 12 12:50:48 <mdp> yep, well known internal to ti
Jun 12 12:50:52 <o0rl> no starterware
Jun 12 12:50:58 <av500> ah
Jun 12 12:51:06 <georgem> Jacmet: You can put MLO on the raw disk, not in FAT? Can MLO find u-boot.img in ext? Would be nice not to have a fat partition.
Jun 12 12:51:36 <av500> LILO could
Jun 12 12:51:48 <av500> 20ys ago
Jun 12 12:51:59 <georgem> yeah. on x86
Jun 12 12:51:59 <mru> lilo did not use filesystems at all
Jun 12 12:52:08 <av500> georgem: so?
Jun 12 12:52:13 <mru> it hardcoded the sectors in the boot block
Jun 12 12:52:17 <av500> yes
Jun 12 12:52:23 <Jacmet> georgem: yes, the rom will search for a raw MLO with a chsettings headers in 4 spots in the beginning of the emmc/sd card
Jun 12 12:52:33 <o0rl> i could run hello world in debug but i dont want to debug i want to execute the code not debugging
Jun 12 12:52:42 <georgem> Jacmet: cool. didn't know how that worked.
Jun 12 12:52:50 <Jacmet> georgem: and you can do whatever you want to in the MLO, so extfs read should be doable
Jun 12 12:52:58 <Jacmet> georgem: it's documented in the trm
Jun 12 12:53:06 <av500> who reads these days
Jun 12 12:53:20 <mru> is there a youtube video tutorial?
Jun 12 12:53:26 <georgem> I've read a lot of that... Not a shortage of stuff to read in there though
Jun 12 13:02:33 <KotH> av500: it shows how old you are, that you still remember lilo :)
Jun 12 13:02:44 <mru> KotH: do you remember loadlin?
Jun 12 13:02:55 <av500> yes
Jun 12 13:02:58 <av500> I used that
Jun 12 13:03:17 <koen> I think my server at home still uses lilo
Jun 12 13:03:18 <av500> I never used that weird linuxfsonDOS though
Jun 12 13:03:22 * koen hates grub with a passion
Jun 12 13:03:30 <koen> av500: umsdos?
Jun 12 13:03:33 <av500> yeah
Jun 12 13:03:41 <mru> I was trying to remember the name of that
Jun 12 13:03:54 <KotH> mru: yeah.. it was mentioned next to lilo in the suse 6.0 manual... with a remark that you should use lilo instead :)
Jun 12 13:04:32 <mru> I had a pc once where the onboard sound would only work in linux if soft-booted from dos
Jun 12 13:04:37 <KotH> koen: grub is ok, grub2 is a pita
Jun 12 13:04:52 <mru> grub is bizarre in many ways
Jun 12 13:04:56 <koen> I hate both
Jun 12 13:05:08 <KotH> koen: how about writing a nice little replacement?
Jun 12 13:05:13 <mru> but once installed it tends keep doing what it should
Jun 12 13:05:17 * KotH wouldnt mind having something simpler than grub2
Jun 12 13:06:14 <av500> like uboot, all bootloaders evolvo until they can do email
Jun 12 13:06:17 <av500> evolve
Jun 12 13:06:52 <KotH> you mean form a p2p social network site
Jun 12 13:07:05 <KotH> email is so 90s!
Jun 12 13:07:07 <mranostay> i'm on a uboot
Jun 12 13:07:09 <av500> \join #prismload
Jun 12 13:07:27 <av500> mranostay: no, just drunk
Jun 12 13:07:35 <KotH> av500: fraud!
Jun 12 13:07:39 <KotH> av500: there is nobody there!
Jun 12 13:07:40 * ogra_ hands mranostay a paddle
Jun 12 13:08:03 <av500> and a straw
Jun 12 13:08:22 <KotH> is it the last straw?
Jun 12 13:08:49 <av500> the strawpool is exhausted
Jun 12 13:09:07 <koen> KotH: I use gummiboot on uEFI platform nowadays, it's barebones, but does the job
Jun 12 13:09:21 <mru> but but but... uefi
Jun 12 13:09:48 <av500> what about SecureBoot?
Jun 12 13:10:14 <mru> national security boot
Jun 12 13:11:47 <koen> av500: I asked about secureboot, that's still a few months away for minnow
Jun 12 13:11:58 <koen> the stock intel uEFI implementation is well
Jun 12 13:12:00 <koen> ehm
Jun 12 13:12:08 <koen> "feature challenged"
Jun 12 13:12:18 <mranostay> av500: two straws would be better
Jun 12 13:12:29 * KotH will not touch his boot system unless it's broken
Jun 12 13:13:06 <av500> thats when one touches boot systems
Jun 12 13:13:34 <mru> I touch them when installing a new machine
Jun 12 13:13:49 <mru> if it has new hard drives
Jun 12 13:16:12 * mdp waits for his modem to be reprovisioned and connectivity to fail
Jun 12 13:18:57 <Rotti> is anyone able to open the bbb orcad schematics and tell me the distance between the serial header and P8? this one is missing in the drawing from the srm
Jun 12 13:19:33 <mranostay> they are online
Jun 12 13:19:57 <mranostay> and schematics won't help
Jun 12 13:20:00 <mru> slightly more than one standard pin interval
Jun 12 13:20:02 <mranostay> you need cad files
Jun 12 13:20:08 <_av500_> 1.5 pins or so
Jun 12 13:20:17 <_av500_> I blame Gerald
Jun 12 13:20:21 <mru> sqrt(2) pins
Jun 12 13:21:23 <Rotti> oh, there are gerber files
Jun 12 13:22:48 <_av500_> yes
Jun 12 13:25:13 <Rotti> it's 3.175mm / .125"
Jun 12 13:31:33 <jackmitchell> I use syslinux
Jun 12 13:31:43 <jackmitchell> it's very good at 'just working'
Jun 12 13:32:03 <jackmitchell> and the config files aren't the devils lair that is grub2
Jun 12 13:32:22 <mranostay> _av500_: damn hardware guys
Jun 12 13:32:30 * mranostay blames brownies 
Jun 12 13:32:38 <mranostay> er bradfa
Jun 12 13:38:17 <georgem> getting grub2 to work with uefi boot and gpt partitions while dual booting uefi booting windows 7 is fun
Jun 12 13:42:39 <georgem> kind of like a night out binge drinking. you know you did it, but you don't remember exactly what you did or how it didn't end horribly and you're certain you won't ever do it again but probably will.
Jun 12 13:43:10 <_av500_> isnt eufi already a bootloader?
Jun 12 13:43:37 <panto> anagram of .fi.eu
Jun 12 13:43:49 <_av500_> I blame Nokia
Jun 12 13:43:50 <panto> nokia's revenge
Jun 12 13:44:31 <georgem> _av500_: I think you might be able boot linux directly from UEFI now but at the time I did it, it wasn't possible or at least recommended.
Jun 12 13:45:11 <ogra_> there are linaro binaries for the beagle XM for grub and uefi booting iirc (source trees too)
Jun 12 13:45:31 <georgem> interesting
Jun 12 13:45:45 <_av500_> can uefi boot grub boot uboot boot barebox?
Jun 12 13:45:53 <ogra_> (and/or for the panda)
Jun 12 13:46:06 <georgem> heh
Jun 12 13:46:10 <ogra_> well, spl can boot grub .. then its just like on x86
Jun 12 13:46:24 <_av500_> doesit have snow penguins too?
Jun 12 13:46:28 <mru> and why would anyone want that?
Jun 12 13:46:34 <ogra_> but yeah, you could surely put u-boot and uefi between spl and grub somehow
Jun 12 13:46:40 <mru> x86 is a horrible mess
Jun 12 13:47:05 <georgem> yeah
Jun 12 13:47:19 <ogra_> dunno ... but it exists and linaro did put significant resources into it
Jun 12 13:47:31 <mru> linaro works in mysterious ways
Jun 12 13:48:55 <georgem> I talked with some linaro people about it and I guess the drive for UEFI on ARM is mainly for upcoming aarch64 stuff on server platforms where there maybe RAID controllers and other hardware with closed source binaries that need to be run on boot.
Jun 12 13:50:29 <mru> closed or not, a standard interface for booting off whatever storage isn't bad in principle
Jun 12 13:57:03 <_av500_> booting off an unladen swallow....
Jun 12 13:57:53 <georgem> or maybe unladen fiber channel
Jun 12 13:58:29 <myself> He could grip it by the buffer fibers!
Jun 12 14:11:16 <av500> damn, my knee fell asleep
Jun 12 14:11:36 <mru> you're knee-deep in sleep?
Jun 12 14:12:06 <av500> partly yes
Jun 12 14:23:12 * mranostay boards the UEFI train
Jun 12 14:24:42 <KotH> sayonara mranostay
Jun 12 14:34:38 <rob__> BeagleBoard-xM revC1 reboot continuously with TI-Android-ICS-4.0.3-DevKit-3.0.0
Jun 12 14:34:49 <rob__> here is the log http://pastebin.com/WQAgBg6n
Jun 12 14:37:14 <rob__> it reboot after "hub 1-2:1.0: 5 ports detected"
Jun 12 14:37:59 <av500> wat power supply?
Jun 12 14:38:02 <av500> what
Jun 12 14:38:19 <mru> watt power
Jun 12 14:39:02 <av500> wall wart power
Jun 12 14:39:08 <rob__> serial
Jun 12 14:39:12 <av500> no
Jun 12 14:39:24 <av500> what power supply do you use?
Jun 12 14:39:30 <rob__> serial port
Jun 12 14:39:39 <mru> no
Jun 12 14:39:52 <rob__> usb port
Jun 12 14:40:04 <dm8tbr> get a power supply
Jun 12 14:40:10 <ogra_> +1
Jun 12 14:40:20 <av500> +2
Jun 12 14:40:23 <mru> +3
Jun 12 14:40:28 <rob__> i don't think it's a power supply problem
Jun 12 14:40:35 <av500> well, we do
Jun 12 14:40:43 <rob__> something the boot stuck at "android_usb gadget: high speed config #1: android"
Jun 12 14:40:50 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/170
Jun 12 14:40:53 <rob__> i'm using a usb 3.0, 1A
Jun 12 14:41:30 <av500> rob__: in case it is not a power supply problem, it is a TI problem
Jun 12 14:41:36 <av500> you would wish it was only the power supply
Jun 12 14:41:37 <mru> we think, therefore we're right
Jun 12 14:41:42 <mranostay> is USB 3.0 really one amp now?
Jun 12 14:41:50 <av500> up to 100W
Jun 12 14:42:04 <mru> somehow I doubt the usb3 ports on my laptop can deliver that
Jun 12 14:42:20 <av500> not usre if metric or imperial
Jun 12 14:42:22 <av500> sure
Jun 12 14:42:34 <av500> rob__: btw, your android release is done by TI
Jun 12 14:42:41 <av500> support for it is also given by TI
Jun 12 14:42:42 <mranostay> are they effing insane?
Jun 12 14:42:54 <av500> mranostay: they == INTEL == you
Jun 12 14:42:57 <av500> so, yes
Jun 12 14:43:01 <mru> :)
Jun 12 14:43:02 <av500> "they" are
Jun 12 14:45:30 <mranostay> i take that back
Jun 12 14:45:30 <mranostay> 100W all USB ports
Jun 12 14:46:05 <mru> why the hell would a mouse need 100W?
Jun 12 14:46:15 <av500> maybe if its a really HUGE mouse
Jun 12 14:46:36 <mru> then it would be some kind of rat
Jun 12 14:47:13 <mru> a wild alan_o appears
Jun 12 14:47:23 <Crofton|work> combination mouse/hand warmer
Jun 12 14:47:33 <av500> hand/mouse warmer
Jun 12 14:47:44 <av500> deep fried mice
Jun 12 14:47:49 <mru> mouse/mansion warmer
Jun 12 14:48:04 <alan_o> I prefer my mice in a frozen block.
Jun 12 14:48:55 <rob__> with external power supply
Jun 12 14:48:55 <av500> with a slice of lemon?
Jun 12 14:49:02 <rob__> it reboot at
Jun 12 14:49:07 <rob__> platform iva.0: omap_voltage_scale: Already at the requestedrate 800000000 platform mpu.0: omap_voltage_scale: Already at the requestedrate 1000000000 usb 1-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0424, idProduct=9514 usb 1-2: New USB device stringsÿ
Jun 12 14:49:27 <av500> [16:42:34] <av500> rob__: btw, your android release is done by TI
Jun 12 14:49:32 <av500> [16:42:40] <av500> support for it is also given by TI
Jun 12 14:50:23 <rob__> so you suggest me to not ask here?
Jun 12 14:50:54 <av500> you can ask
Jun 12 14:51:08 <av500> but few people here can help you fix a random TI kernel
Jun 12 14:51:22 <mru> yeah, chad isn't here
Jun 12 14:51:31 <av500> if it is not the power supply
Jun 12 14:56:19 <canoetime> new BBB owner, updated angrstom image, update worked smooth. but lost USB Falsh drive and USB IP address functionality. guessing that is not part of the updated images?
Jun 12 14:57:03 <rob__> i'll keep trying tomorrow, thanks. Bye
Jun 12 14:57:40 <av500> tomorrow everything will be fine
Jun 12 15:00:01 <broke> hey, I have inserted a mircoSD card with a image, hold the power button for 10s and now all leds light. Is the device currently flashing?
Jun 12 15:00:55 <Thihi> Blinking lights mean flashing I think.
Jun 12 15:01:38 <broke> hmm they are all on. Is there some resource about the led codes? Searched already all day but most is advertisement...
Jun 12 15:02:40 <Thihi> If I remember correctly, the page where you find links to image files also tells you about the leds behavior while flashing.
Jun 12 15:02:52 <Thihi> Oh, at least with the BeagleBone Black, I Think.
Jun 12 15:05:51 <av500> it blinks while it flashes
Jun 12 15:06:22 <mru> does it use weeping angels to write the data?
Jun 12 15:07:18 <canoetime> ada fruit has a pretty well done step by step at http://learn.adafruit.com/beaglebone-black-installing-operating-systems
Jun 12 15:07:35 <alan_o> av500: what's the duty cycle threshold between a blink and a flash?
Jun 12 15:07:47 <av500> african or european flash?
Jun 12 15:08:23 <broke> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software#Image_For_Booting_From_microSD
Jun 12 15:14:36 <broke> hmm have to recheck the image..
Jun 12 15:17:12 <mastiff_> all leds solid means flash is done
Jun 12 15:20:27 <brownies> mranostay: eh?
Jun 12 15:20:29 <broke> yes but you have to hold the user button until the leds light for a few seconds and then flashing begins
Jun 12 15:20:37 <broke> but they don't light at all
Jun 12 15:20:57 <broke> unfortunately it is hard to debug this because I have no mHDMI adapter....
Jun 12 15:22:21 <av500> if they dont light at all, it does not boot
Jun 12 15:23:06 <broke> yep but why
Jun 12 15:23:22 <av500> no idea
Jun 12 15:23:40 <av500> bad card, bad stuff on the card, bad karma
Jun 12 15:24:23 <mastiff_> blue led of death
Jun 12 15:25:37 <mastiff_> just flash it again and wait for the leds to stop blinking, remove SD and reboot
Jun 12 15:26:52 <broke> @mastiff they have to start blinking
Jun 12 15:26:54 <broke> this is the problem
Jun 12 15:27:27 <broke> Is it possible to get some more debug information out of the board?
Jun 12 15:28:03 <mranostay> brownies: nm tab complete error
Jun 12 15:28:15 <mranostay> av500: so 20A USB cables? :)
Jun 12 15:28:33 <ogra_> the glowing ones
Jun 12 15:29:40 <mru> mranostay: no, 200V
Jun 12 15:29:57 <mastiff_> 3phase
Jun 12 15:30:12 <av500> yes, 66V each
Jun 12 15:30:32 <av500> or was it 54
Jun 12 15:32:24 <mastiff_> reflash the SD, most likely problem
Jun 12 15:33:50 <av500> is there an SD flasher image?
Jun 12 15:33:54 <av500> for the emmc?
Jun 12 15:33:58 <ka6sox> mourning
Jun 12 15:34:28 <mranostay> hi ka6sox turn that frown upside down
Jun 12 15:35:01 <ka6sox> not enough coffee
Jun 12 15:35:50 <broke> I have built one with the crochet FreeBSD script
Jun 12 15:35:56 <broke> reflashing currently
Jun 12 15:36:17 <ka6sox> there is another French Distro?
Jun 12 15:36:34 <mastiff_> coffee french bistro?
Jun 12 15:37:38 <broke> ok seems that the built image is wrong
Jun 12 15:41:22 <Spirilis> ok, random Q, does anyone have a *working* DT fragment that pinmux's a GPIO pin to output mode, then has successfully driven that pin high using the /sys/class/gpio/gpioX/value parameter (after echo pin# > /sys/class/gpio/export) ?
Jun 12 15:45:27 <ka6sox> what does it mean if I have 4 orange lights on my beagle?
Jun 12 15:45:46 <ka6sox> morning emeb
Jun 12 15:45:54 <Rotti> it is build in .nl?
Jun 12 15:46:00 <ssi> ka6sox: I think that means it's loaded the kernel but hasn't loaded the gpio driver yet
Jun 12 15:46:01 <Rotti> built
Jun 12 15:46:30 <ka6sox> Rotti, no, it was built by usians
Jun 12 15:46:58 <ka6sox> but I just had to Rice mine like Gentoo Guys :)
Jun 12 15:47:36 <KotH> did you put it into a bowl? ;)
Jun 12 15:48:18 <ramesh_> Hi All
Jun 12 15:48:34 <ka6sox> Hi You
Jun 12 15:49:10 <ramesh_> I am more interested in creating BSP for embedded boards
Jun 12 15:49:35 <ka6sox> excellent
Jun 12 15:49:42 <ramesh_> For this activity, i choosen beagle bone black ....
Jun 12 15:50:01 <ramesh_> I got confused with so many availble materials..
Jun 12 15:50:13 <ka6sox> we have many colours
Jun 12 15:50:16 <jackmitchell> datasheets galore here
Jun 12 15:50:16 <mranostay> ka6sox: do people still Gentoo? :)
Jun 12 15:50:23 <ramesh_> 1 min...
Jun 12 15:50:34 <ssi> I gave up on it ages ago
Jun 12 15:50:37 <ssi> too much freaikin work :P
Jun 12 15:50:56 <ramesh_> I wants to start from customization of u-boot to linux customization
Jun 12 15:51:22 <ramesh_> Now i wants a guide to do "Boot loader customization, gcc tool chain and BSP"
Jun 12 15:51:35 <ka6sox> #exactsteps
Jun 12 15:51:48 <jackmitchell> that guide is made of 3 years of tears
Jun 12 15:51:50 <emeb> ka6sox: goooooooood morning!
Jun 12 15:51:56 <ssi> emeb: :)
Jun 12 15:51:57 <ramesh_> Yes
Jun 12 15:52:18 <jackmitchell> ramesh_: being serious, there is no guide for that
Jun 12 15:52:24 <ramesh_> Does any blog which summarizes these steps ?
Jun 12 15:52:25 <emeb> morning ssi
Jun 12 15:52:27 <ka6sox> jackmitchell, +1
Jun 12 15:52:28 <Spirilis> humm, nevermind, I figured out my problem
Jun 12 15:52:38 <ka6sox> Spirilis, excellent
Jun 12 15:52:40 <Spirilis> had my gpio # wrong.  had to add 32 to the number since it was 1_16
Jun 12 15:52:44 <jackmitchell> ramesh_: the exact steps are
Jun 12 15:52:48 <mranostay> \o/\o/\o/
Jun 12 15:52:56 <jackmitchell> ramesh_: 1) Download u-boot
Jun 12 15:53:05 <mru> \\\ooo///
Jun 12 15:53:06 <jackmitchell> ramesh_: 2) Read u-boot code
Jun 12 15:53:18 <emeb> mru has 3 heads and 6 arms
Jun 12 15:53:25 <jackmitchell> ramesh_: 3) Customize u-boot
Jun 12 15:53:29 <ramesh_> k
Jun 12 15:53:31 <jackmitchell> rinse, repeat
Jun 12 15:54:24 <Rickta59> questiona bout u-boot .. all those setting that are there .. if i have a simple uEnv.tx with nothing in it, are the u-boot settings coming from compiled in data?
Jun 12 15:55:18 <ramesh_> jackmitchell_: Can you please continue with the steps..
Jun 12 15:55:34 <mranostay> exactly
Jun 12 15:55:50 <bradfa> Rickta59, yes
Jun 12 15:55:54 <jackmitchell> 4) Once u-boot is finished, download GCC
Jun 12 15:56:02 <jackmitchell> 5) Read GCC code
Jun 12 15:56:09 <jackmitchell> 6) Customise GCC
Jun 12 15:56:10 <Rickta59> thanks bradfa
Jun 12 15:56:45 <bradfa> jackmitchell, if exactsteps include "customize gcc" might there be someone doing it wrong?
Jun 12 15:57:17 <jackmitchell> ramesh_ > Now i wants a guide to do "Boot loader customization, gcc tool chain and BSP"
Jun 12 15:57:28 <ramesh_> ok
Jun 12 15:58:01 <ramesh_> I am noting down all the steps..
Jun 12 15:58:22 <jackmitchell> ramesh_: I honestly can't help you more than saying download the tools, read the source code and cahnge them in thr way that you wish to customize
Jun 12 15:58:31 <ramesh_> Might be completion of each of these steps will take time ...
Jun 12 15:58:46 <ramesh_> ok
Jun 12 15:59:07 <KotH> it always takes time
Jun 12 15:59:09 <jackmitchell> where is av500, I feel like I'm being trolled by a troll, trool^2
Jun 12 15:59:17 <KotH> and always more than planed
Jun 12 15:59:17 <ramesh_> Does we have any GENERIC  videos to guide the customization ..
Jun 12 15:59:24 <mranostay> troll the world
Jun 12 15:59:31 <KotH> troll the jackmitchell
Jun 12 15:59:37 * _troll_ trolls jackmitchell 
Jun 12 15:59:52 * jackmitchell is thankful it's 1 minute to beer
Jun 12 15:59:54 <KotH> ramesh_: let me guess, you are from the youtube-generation ?
Jun 12 16:00:11 * mranostay trollingly trolls _troll_ trolls
Jun 12 16:00:28 <KotH> mranostay: no trolling of swiss trolls!
Jun 12 16:00:39 <ramesh_> KOTH_: A kind of yes...
Jun 12 16:00:51 <KotH> ramesh_: i suggest you learn to read
Jun 12 16:00:55 <jackmitchell> woop, there we go; beer time; laters trolls and trollettes, until tomorrow
Jun 12 16:00:57 <ramesh_> hmmm
Jun 12 16:01:00 <KotH> ramesh_: books contain more and denser information than youtube
Jun 12 16:01:06 <mru> KotH: swiss trolls?
Jun 12 16:01:21 <KotH> ramesh_: and the slightly wrong to totally wrong ratio is also better with books
Jun 12 16:01:39 <mru> books are overrated
Jun 12 16:01:42 <KotH> mru: _troll_ is still a swiss troll
Jun 12 16:02:00 <mastiff_> It's never going to work until you apply a racing strip down the middle of your beagle
Jun 12 16:02:07 <mastiff_> stripe
Jun 12 16:02:08 <KotH> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/160
Jun 12 16:02:09 <ramesh_> True, When i googledd for documents, i found so many documents..
Jun 12 16:02:10 <mru> KotH: in a manner of speaking
Jun 12 16:02:31 <ramesh_> Hence opted for precised videos rather than confusing with all the documents
Jun 12 16:02:34 <ssi> mastiff_: makes it faster
Jun 12 16:02:46 <mru> books are fine for entertainment
Jun 12 16:02:48 <ssi> mastiff_: did you get that chip reoriented?
Jun 12 16:02:54 <ramesh_> I f you provide me a good pointer, it would greatful ..
Jun 12 16:03:04 <KotH> mru: a swedish troll, controlled from england, having swiss clothes on, living in germany
Jun 12 16:03:07 <KotH> mru: :)
Jun 12 16:03:07 * _troll_ throws a null pointer at ramesh_ 
Jun 12 16:03:20 <mru> KotH: yes, something like that
Jun 12 16:03:23 <mastiff_> I have the headers in the mail.  chip is off and cleaned, but didn't resolder yet
Jun 12 16:03:28 <ssi> gotcha
Jun 12 16:03:30 <mastiff_> running debian now
Jun 12 16:03:35 <mru> KotH: can we involve more countries somehow?
Jun 12 16:03:55 <mastiff_> got usb bluetooth sort of working, but pairing causes blue led of death
Jun 12 16:04:01 <mranostay> mru: you are living in germany now?
Jun 12 16:04:08 <mru> mranostay: no
Jun 12 16:04:21 <mru> mranostay: _troll_ is
Jun 12 16:04:58 <KotH> mru: well.. the master of the clothes is a japanophile turkish ;)
Jun 12 16:05:08 <mranostay> mru: isn't _troll_ you?
Jun 12 16:05:29 <mastiff_> lol I thought _troll_ was a bot
Jun 12 16:05:33 <mru> mranostay: you'd like to know, wouldn't you?
Jun 12 16:05:43 <_av500_> mranostay: no, mru trolls you!
Jun 12 16:08:18 <KotH> mru trolling somone? inconceivable!
Jun 12 16:09:01 <mranostay> hmm does ##troll exist?
Jun 12 16:09:15 <mru> try and find out
Jun 12 16:09:49 <mastiff_> do we need to evacuate panto in case greece interwebs are shut down?
Jun 12 16:11:48 <mdp> av500, always trolling!
Jun 12 16:12:02 <_troll_> trolling trolling trolling
Jun 12 16:14:03 <_av500_> mdp: when all you have is a hammer and you see a nail....
Jun 12 16:14:28 <mdp> indeed
Jun 12 16:14:44 * mdp throws arm11s at the trolls
Jun 12 16:14:51 <_av500_> ...I even started the GNOME user survey, in an effort to make GNOME developers see the light.....
Jun 12 16:15:49 <ds2> stop wasting those rare OMAP2s!
Jun 12 16:20:20 <mranostay> rare?
Jun 12 16:21:21 <KotH> av500: whell all you have is a bridge ;)
Jun 12 16:26:22 <mranostay> KotH: i have 5 bridges to choose from
Jun 12 16:30:11 <KotH> mranostay: those are the wrong bridges
Jun 12 16:30:21 <KotH> mranostay: you need at least 400 year old stone bridges
Jun 12 16:30:33 <KotH> mranostay: best made of nordic stone
Jun 12 16:30:43 <KotH> s/nordic/scandinavian/
Jun 12 16:33:14 <mranostay> BeagleBot is NSA Prism
Jun 12 16:36:21 <mdp> heh
Jun 12 16:37:17 <mdp> I can see all the FISA requests coming for "that guy that shouts JIHAD!" all the time ;)
Jun 12 16:39:19 <mranostay> KotH: Beaglebomb cape for you
Jun 12 16:39:46 <dk-> Hi, I
Jun 12 16:40:54 <dk-> m having some troubles here. I am trying to get serial working on the Beaglebone Black, to get to a u-boot prompt, but I'm having serious issues googling what pins correspond to UART3. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Jun 12 16:41:44 <dk-> I might confusing beagleboards now, but I'm after TX and RX on the UART that is initiated and used by u-boot.
Jun 12 16:42:04 <_av500_> on j1
Jun 12 16:42:11 <_av500_> see the schematics
Jun 12 16:42:19 <_av500_> that is UART0
Jun 12 16:43:12 <bradfa> dk-, which u-boot config are you using?  Use the uart0 one to put the uart on UART0
Jun 12 16:44:32 <dk-> bradfa: The default that comes with the Ångström-distribution
Jun 12 16:44:49 <bradfa> dk-, probably uart0,then
Jun 12 16:45:16 <dk-> _av500_: Found it in the schematics now, thanks!
Jun 12 16:45:25 <_av500_> np
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Jun 12 16:50:51 <ka6sox> there he is...
Jun 12 16:50:58 <ka6sox> no prism but still
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Jun 12 16:58:36 <Russ> _av500_, STOP!
Jun 12 17:24:19 <dk-> bradfa: When you said u-boot config, did you mean uEnv.txt?
Jun 12 17:27:43 <qrohlf_> Is there any way to mount and/or write to the microsd card on the BeagleBone Black when booted from the eMMC?
Jun 12 17:28:08 <qrohlf_> The micosd isn't showing up when I fdisk -l
Jun 12 17:28:19 <kfoltman_> it's either /dev/mmcblk0 or /dev/mmcblk1?
Jun 12 17:28:25 <panto> back
Jun 12 17:29:14 <qrohlf_> dev/emmcblk0 is the emmc
Jun 12 17:29:33 <qrohlf_> and there is no dev/mmcblk1, which seems odd to me
Jun 12 17:30:23 <kfoltman_> mechanical problem with the socket?
Jun 12 17:30:26 <Mode-M> qrohlf_: does something show up in dmesg when you plug in the sd card?
Jun 12 17:30:27 <qrohlf_> ls /dev | grep mmc gives me 5 entries for mmcblk0*
Jun 12 17:30:38 <qrohlf_> but nothing for mmcblk1
Jun 12 17:31:48 <qrohlf_> what should I be looking for in dmesg? I see a lot of "gadget: rndis reqa1.01 v0000 i0000 l4096"
Jun 12 17:33:38 <Mode-M> well, something about mmcXY
Jun 12 17:34:00 <qrohlf_> definitely nothing like that showing up
Jun 12 17:34:17 <qrohlf_> this is a brand new board though
Jun 12 17:34:29 <qrohlf_> seems unlikely that the sd slot would be broken
Jun 12 17:34:53 <qrohlf_> especially since when I power-up the board with the sd in the slot, it tries to boot from the sd
Jun 12 17:36:27 <kfoltman_> qrohlf_: try putting in the SD card in reverse?
Jun 12 17:36:52 <qrohlf_> Microsd cards only go in one way
Jun 12 17:36:54 <kfoltman_> as in, upside down
Jun 12 17:37:04 <kfoltman_> well, if it's held in the socket, then it's the right orientation
Jun 12 17:37:09 <qrohlf_> yes
Jun 12 17:37:14 <qrohlf_> it is inserted correctly
Jun 12 17:37:19 <qrohlf_> However
Jun 12 17:37:31 <bradfa> dk-, when you build u-boot you first run a make config step selecting what will be built, for am335x_evm (and bone) you can pick any of the uarts to have your serial port be on for bootup.  That config is what I meant
Jun 12 17:37:33 <qrohlf_> according to a post I just turned up on the google group
Jun 12 17:37:59 <qrohlf_> it looks like accessing the sd isn't enabled in the kernel that ships with the board
Jun 12 17:38:07 <qrohlf_> "(1) The kernel (including the most recent one) does not currently support the insertion and ejection of sdcard. As a result, the running kernel has no way to even see that you've inserted an sdcard, so nothing really works after that. The immediate implication is that once your BBB has booted and the kernel is up and running, the sdcard is essentially useless. If you insert an sdcard and do an "fdisk -l" it wont even list your card o
Jun 12 17:38:23 <qrohlf_> (that's from https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/MKApMsH3Q7M/L7HWyKpavDQJ)
Jun 12 17:39:01 <Mode-M> yes, that's most likely the source of the problem.
Jun 12 17:39:04 <dk-> bradfa: I see, thanks. Is it possible to change baudrate for uart0 there as well?
Jun 12 17:39:06 <qrohlf_> So I guess it's just not possible to mount the sdcard when the BeagleBone is booted directly from eMMC
Jun 12 17:39:15 <panto> qrohlf_, no
Jun 12 17:39:16 <qrohlf_> that seems like a bit of a waste of resources
Jun 12 17:39:26 <panto> it is possible as long as it's inserted
Jun 12 17:39:37 <panto> well, the driver needs fixin'
Jun 12 17:39:49 <panto> but there's nothing that can't be fixed
Jun 12 17:40:58 <qrohlf_> right, but is it possible to mount the sdcard with the stock eMMC image that ships with the device?
Jun 12 17:42:11 <qrohlf> weird, didn't notice that underscore was there
Jun 12 17:42:44 <qrohlf> anyways, I'm just not seeing a way to mount the microSD using the Angstrom distro that ships on the eMMC
Jun 12 17:44:38 <panto> err, mount /dev/mmcblock1p1 /media/cf doesn't work?
Jun 12 17:44:46 <panto> cause I'm sure it does
Jun 12 17:47:13 <qrohlf> "root@beaglebone:~# mount /dev/mmcblock1p1 /media/cf "
Jun 12 17:47:15 <qrohlf> "mount: special device /dev/mmcblock1p1 does not exist"
Jun 12 17:48:01 <qrohlf> looks like there's a workaround over at http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/beagleboneblack/install_emmc.xml#expand
Jun 12 17:48:15 <qrohlf> but it requires partitioning the card
Jun 12 17:48:17 <panto> have you booted with sdcard connected
Jun 12 17:48:45 <qrohlf> I can't boot with the sdcard connected. The system won't boot with a non-bootable sdcard connected
Jun 12 17:49:51 <panto> it is possible to do so
Jun 12 17:50:17 <panto> override the mmc device you want to boot from u-boot
Jun 12 17:50:37 <panto> I know that both mmc ports work cause I boot over NFS all the time
Jun 12 17:51:01 <qrohlf> right, but I have to have a u-boot on the sdcard
Jun 12 17:51:21 <qrohlf> this is a microsd from an Android phone that I want the BeagleBone to be able to read data from
Jun 12 17:51:37 <qrohlf> ideally, it would work with any microsd from an Android phone
Jun 12 17:52:34 <qrohlf> what you're suggesting is partitioning the microsd with a boot partition that instructs the BeagleBone to boot from eMMC instead of the microsd, correct?
Jun 12 17:53:45 <panto> qrohlf, no such convoluted method required
Jun 12 17:54:09 <panto> modify uEnv.txt in the emmc to only boot from emmc, and not probe the other port
Jun 12 17:54:20 <qrohlf> ah
Jun 12 17:54:23 <qrohlf> I see
Jun 12 17:54:39 <panto> the whole mess is due to the ROM
Jun 12 17:56:26 <qrohlf> uEnv.txt is on /dev/mmcblk0p1, yes?
Jun 12 17:56:46 <qrohlf> yeah, it is
Jun 12 17:56:58 <qrohlf> (apologies for stupid question)
Jun 12 17:58:53 <KotH> mranostay: does it come in belt form?
Jun 12 18:00:28 <qrohlf> thanks for the help panto. Is there any documentation for what options I can set in uEnv.txt?
Jun 12 18:01:33 <panto> qrohlf, there is in u-boot sources
Jun 12 18:01:39 <panto> and the net
Jun 12 18:01:47 <panto> it's standard u-boot
Jun 12 18:02:28 <qrohlf> ah, okay. I might add a link to the u-boot documentation on the BBB wiki or something. I was searching around there and not getting much in the way of ansers
Jun 12 18:04:26 <m_billybob> indeed, i finally figured out nfs /root/ last night and apparently not the first one to do so
Jun 12 18:06:20 <Spirilis> woohoo!  got pinmux set up for UART4 ("uart5") and successfully read a GPS module over minicom.
Jun 12 18:08:51 <m_billybob> goos job Spirilis
Jun 12 18:08:56 <m_billybob> good tooo . . .
Jun 12 18:09:16 <mranostay> _Sy_: CAPS FOREVER! KEEP THE FAITH
Jun 12 18:09:23 <mranostay> er _av500_
Jun 12 18:09:33 <mranostay> _av500_: STOP.
Jun 12 18:09:34 <_Sy_> ?
Jun 12 18:10:11 <mranostay> _Sy_: don't mind me. i'm just being an idiot
Jun 12 18:10:22 <Russ> you can't forget the stop, otherwise people don't know if they got the whole message, STOP
Jun 12 18:10:55 <mranostay> what if your message has the word STOP in it?
Jun 12 18:12:05 <qrohlf> alright, I broke it. Experimenting with uEnv.txt appears to have prevented it from booting anything - is there a quick way to reset uboot or boot without loading uEnv?
Jun 12 18:16:10 <_av500_> you broke nothing
Jun 12 18:16:22 * mranostay MAKES IT ALL CAPS DAY
Jun 12 18:16:50 <qrohlf> I was being hyperbolic. I hope I didn't "break" anything, but I did manage to make it not boot
Jun 12 18:32:46 * bradfa does a little dance cause new ST radio showed up! :)
Jun 12 18:33:10 <ds2> ST radio?
Jun 12 18:33:25 <bradfa> SPIRIT1 http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/sense_power/FM1968/CL1976/SC1845/PF253167
Jun 12 18:41:46 * SpeedEvil makes OOK OOK noises.
Jun 12 18:42:22 <SpeedEvil> Is 'FEC coding' 'That would be an ecumenical matter' ?
Jun 12 18:42:45 <bradfa> SpeedEvil, forward error correction?
Jun 12 18:43:00 <SpeedEvil> Never mind - 'Father Ted' based joke.
Jun 12 18:43:09 <bradfa> ah
Jun 12 18:43:10 <SpeedEvil> Is that a new part?
Jun 12 18:43:17 <bradfa> fairly new, last year I think
Jun 12 18:44:51 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Jun 12 18:45:36 <bradfa> Analog Devices has a nice sub-1GHz radio that's new, too
Jun 12 18:45:40 <bradfa> AD7023, I think is the pn
Jun 12 18:46:11 <SpeedEvil> What're you thinking of it for?
Jun 12 18:47:25 <bradfa> We run 433 MHz system for a bunch of things
Jun 12 18:50:08 <Rickta59> anyone played around loading a loading a kernel image over the serial line with ymodem? I gave it a shot on my BBB and wasn't sure how to provide the dts stuff
Jun 12 18:50:21 <Rickta59> loady $loadaddr ..
Jun 12 18:50:22 <Rickta59> that worked
Jun 12 18:50:39 <Rickta59> run $loadaddr .. dumps registers and then resets itself
Jun 12 18:56:32 <ds2> how does that compared to the CC* parts?
Jun 12 19:03:07 <dk-> Does anyone here know if there has been any work done on porting BeagleBoardPkg from edk2 to BeagleBone?
Jun 12 19:22:00 <mranostay> edk2?
Jun 12 19:22:54 <bradfa> ds2, it's a comparable part, slightly lower current consumption compared to cc1101 if the datasheets are to be believed
Jun 12 19:23:10 <bradfa> but cc1101 data sheets aren't accurate on current numbers
Jun 12 19:23:15 <bradfa> at least not by our measures
Jun 12 19:23:33 <bradfa> but spirit1 is more expensive than cc1101
Jun 12 19:23:57 <KotH> bradfa: cc1100 uses more?
Jun 12 19:24:05 <dk-> mrpackethead: EFI Development Kit
Jun 12 19:24:07 <bradfa> ds2, freescale has some new SoC coming out rsn with integrated sub-1GHz radio and cortex-m0 for good prices
Jun 12 19:24:19 <bradfa> KotH, I believe so
Jun 12 19:24:24 <KotH> hmm...
Jun 12 19:24:28 * KotH takes notes
Jun 12 19:24:38 <KotH> bradfa: do you know how much more?
Jun 12 19:24:39 <bradfa> new analog devices part has nice specs, too
Jun 12 19:24:47 <bradfa> KotH, not yet, will soon :)
Jun 12 19:25:00 <KotH> bradfa: i'd be interested into numbers :)
Jun 12 19:25:09 <KotH> bradfa: if you would be so kind, of course
Jun 12 19:25:10 <bradfa> ok, if I get some hard numbers I'll share, ping me in a few weeks
Jun 12 19:25:26 <bradfa> have to finish up a few things before I get to play with comparing them
Jun 12 19:25:42 <KotH> ok... i'll ping you after EFTF
Jun 12 19:25:48 <bradfa> we have found cc430 current consumption data sheet numbers are wrong
Jun 12 19:25:56 <KotH> ouch
Jun 12 19:26:06 <bradfa> but we were suspicious anyway so no big deal
Jun 12 19:26:06 <KotH> TI is usually quite accurate
Jun 12 19:26:28 <KotH> i could understand if the cc1100 is a bit of, as it was designed when it was still chipcon
Jun 12 19:27:31 <mrpackethead> bradfa: there is also a similar kit from TI
Jun 12 19:27:52 <bradfa> mrpackethead, yes, I have cc1101 kit
Jun 12 19:27:57 <bradfa> got spirit1 kit today
Jun 12 19:28:04 <KotH> bradfa: btw: what do you use for low current measurements?
Jun 12 19:28:06 <bradfa> might get ad7023 kit
Jun 12 19:28:36 <bradfa> KotH, we have a scope and a TI amplifier for doing mA measurements, use a multimeter for uA measures
Jun 12 19:28:47 <KotH> bradfa: and sub-us?
Jun 12 19:28:56 <bradfa> sub- micro seconds?
Jun 12 19:29:05 <KotH> er... sub uA :)
Jun 12 19:29:18 * KotH had too many different units today
Jun 12 19:29:24 <mranostay> bradfa: nanoseconds
Jun 12 19:29:26 <bradfa> about 1 uA is as low as we need to measure, that's as low as cc430 can go in LPM4
Jun 12 19:29:41 <KotH> ok
Jun 12 19:29:54 <bradfa> any lower than that and I'm told the batteries will not be happy
Jun 12 19:30:07 <bradfa> anything lower than self discharge is bad
Jun 12 19:30:17 <mru> KotH: british alcohol units?
Jun 12 19:30:30 <KotH> mru: that would apply to mranostay
Jun 12 19:30:43 <KotH> bradfa: huh? self discharge gets significant, but it doesnt get worse
Jun 12 19:31:14 <bradfa> KotH, if we drain the battery at lower than the self discharge rate (roughly 1 uA for our batteries) I'm told that bad things happen over a few years time to the battery internal chemistry
Jun 12 19:31:26 <KotH> bradfa: really? never heard of that
Jun 12 19:31:27 <bradfa> dunno details
Jun 12 19:31:40 <bradfa> we have battery guy who knows his stuff
Jun 12 19:31:44 <KotH> but then, i'm no battery specialist... and havent got my hands on any good book yet
Jun 12 19:31:56 <bradfa> he wanted to get out of being battery guy, he failed
Jun 12 19:32:04 <KotH> lol
Jun 12 19:32:06 <KotH> poor guy
Jun 12 19:32:43 <bradfa> customer wants 5 year shelf life followed by 5 year active service, fun :)
Jun 12 19:32:50 <bradfa> non-replaceable battery
Jun 12 19:33:08 <KotH> ouch
Jun 12 19:33:26 <bradfa> actually not that big of a deal for us, the -40C was more of a pain
Jun 12 19:33:40 <bradfa> operate at -40C, not fail at -50C
Jun 12 19:33:54 <KotH> LiSOCl ?
Jun 12 19:34:00 <Spirilis> haha, Antarctica?
Jun 12 19:34:13 <KotH> Spirilis: high mountains do the same
Jun 12 19:34:17 <Spirilis> true
Jun 12 19:34:41 <KotH> we have nearly a series production of wireless devices that are mounted above 3000m and have to run 2y w/o failure
Jun 12 19:34:49 <bradfa> Spirilis, canada
Jun 12 19:34:57 <Spirilis> ah
Jun 12 19:35:06 <bradfa> apparently there's oil, or something
Jun 12 19:35:10 <Spirilis> yeah
Jun 12 19:35:12 <KotH> additional to the -40°C we also get fast temp cycles where temp can jump 40°C in an hour
Jun 12 19:35:19 <Spirilis> lol aye
Jun 12 19:35:25 <bradfa> KotH, don't know the chem myself but I know we looked at those
Jun 12 19:35:30 <Spirilis> the sun's a pesky thing
Jun 12 19:35:34 <bradfa> stupid sun
Jun 12 19:36:02 <bradfa> http://what-if.xkcd.com/49/
Jun 12 19:36:03 <KotH> sun on a vertical, south facing wall
Jun 12 19:36:16 <mranostay> bradfa: rule #324 never be good at something you hate :)
Jun 12 19:36:27 <bradfa> +1
Jun 12 19:37:20 <bradfa> k, time to work again...
Jun 12 19:37:42 <ptl> does anyone know what is the rationale for exposing male or female GPIO pins? Raspberry Pi, PCDuino and ODroid X2 GPIO's are all male; arduino and beaglebone are all female.
Jun 12 19:38:13 <KotH> mranostay: i fail at taht already ^^'
Jun 12 19:38:19 <mranostay> cover those pins up!
Jun 12 19:38:27 * KotH covers mranostay 
Jun 12 19:39:21 * ptl should be ashamed of his exposed pins?
Jun 12 19:39:42 <KotH> ptl: as mranostay said, it covers the pins -> you cannot touch them -> less risk to get ESD into those pins and fry your device -> the sure sign of a well designed board
Jun 12 19:39:43 <mrpackethead> the swiss have all teh fuses!!!
Jun 12 19:39:46 <mrpackethead> gah
Jun 12 19:40:23 <ssi> plus female headers are more mechanically robust
Jun 12 19:40:26 <ssi> they can't get bent
Jun 12 19:40:31 <ptl> so why rpi, pcduino and odroid x2 use male pins?
Jun 12 19:40:32 <ssi> put the fragile part on the cheaper unit
Jun 12 19:40:34 <mranostay> det-cord as well
Jun 12 19:40:40 <ptl> *why does
Jun 12 19:40:42 <KotH> ptl: on the other hand, male pins are usually easier to work with for electronic development and hacking
Jun 12 19:40:48 <mranostay> are we talking the same thing?
Jun 12 19:41:03 <ptl> hmm
Jun 12 19:41:22 * mranostay holds back a few jokes
Jun 12 19:41:27 <KotH> ptl: but as the rpi is for joe avarage who has no intention to attach any hardware to the rpi, i would have expected those pins to be female, to make the general use case more safe
Jun 12 19:41:42 <KotH> ptl: ie, it shows again that the rpi guys didnt think much when they designed their device...
Jun 12 19:41:50 <ssi> KotH: male headers are cheaper
Jun 12 19:41:56 <KotH> ssi: that too
Jun 12 19:42:31 <KotH> ssi: but at that volume the difference is marginal... beside you dont use high quality sockets, just the cheap chinese ones
Jun 12 19:42:37 <ssi> true
Jun 12 19:42:47 <mrpackethead> bradfa: www.thingsquare.com
Jun 12 19:42:48 <KotH> leave out a switch and you save more
Jun 12 19:42:59 <mrpackethead> "  the internet of things "
Jun 12 19:43:17 <KotH> mranostay: dont hold your jokes back! it's friday after all
Jun 12 19:43:49 <mrpackethead> KotH: as exposed to expenive chinese ones?
Jun 12 19:43:57 <mrpackethead> there is good in china as well
Jun 12 19:44:14 <KotH> mrpackethead: sure
Jun 12 19:44:30 <KotH> mrpackethead: i didnt say there werent, just that you would buy them in china and choose the cheap ones :)
Jun 12 19:44:48 <mrpackethead> why are there fusetrolls in switzerland
Jun 12 19:44:54 <KotH> at least i would, if i would sell the rpi to make money
Jun 12 19:46:25 <KotH> beaginner: i know you are swiss and all... but you should get yourself an english dictionary
Jun 12 19:47:50 <ssi> lol
Jun 12 19:48:08 <mdp> heh
Jun 12 19:49:34 <KotH> i think i scared him ^^'
Jun 12 19:51:40 <mdp> KotH, "get a dictionary or JIHAD!"
Jun 12 19:51:45 <mdp> would be scarier
Jun 12 19:52:19 <mdp> that would persuade me to have a stack of them on my desk
Jun 12 19:56:26 <KotH> heh
Jun 12 19:56:31 <KotH> ok, i try that next time :)
Jun 12 19:57:16 <mrpackethead>  does Jihad == BINGO ?
Jun 12 20:00:11 <KotH> o_0
Jun 12 20:00:39 <KotH> minicircuits sells a usb controlled 25MHz-6GHz signal generator for just 2k7USD
Jun 12 20:01:16 <mranostay> KotH: send me one please
Jun 12 20:01:30 <KotH> first i buy one myself
Jun 12 20:02:48 * mranostay breaks into KotH's flat
Jun 12 20:03:05 <bradfa> mrpackethead, neat, thanks for link
Jun 12 20:03:06 * mranostay pins the crime on the greek guy
Jun 12 20:03:31 <KotH> mranostay: i dont think you'd dare to break in into a heavily armed flat of a known terrorist
Jun 12 20:05:02 <bradfa> mrpackethead, alan_o does some 6lowpan, my company didn't get on that bandwagon (unfortunately)
Jun 12 20:05:32 <mrpackethead> bradfa: i was lookign at it the other day. hav'nt done anything other htan look
Jun 12 20:05:44 <mrpackethead> but was thinking of buying some dev kit, becuase it looks very cool.
Jun 12 20:05:58 <mrpackethead> the TI Soc with 2.4Gz radio was about 4.50
Jun 12 20:06:04 <mrpackethead> i did'nt look up the Sub Ghz stuff
Jun 12 20:06:20 <bradfa> 6lowpand is nice, other than the 127 byte frame size for 802.15.4 (unless you use the utility version which has larger MTU)
Jun 12 20:06:30 <bradfa> s/6lowpand/6lowpan/
Jun 12 20:07:00 <bradfa> mrpackethead, if you are interested in 6lowpan, start with 2.4 ghz, there's decent dev kits and contiki supports most of them
Jun 12 20:07:25 <mrpackethead> the TI dev kit looked easy to start with
Jun 12 20:07:30 <bradfa> 802.15.4 spec is pretty cheap, $15 I think I paid for all of it
Jun 12 20:07:42 <bradfa> some of it is free
Jun 12 20:07:54 <bradfa> 6lowpan parts are ietf and free online
Jun 12 20:08:12 <ptl> why are signal generators and oscilloscopes so expensive?
Jun 12 20:08:14 <bradfa> contiki is the reference, for now
Jun 12 20:08:16 <KotH> bradfa: walk into the next university library and get them all for free
Jun 12 20:08:25 <KotH> ptl: they are not
Jun 12 20:08:35 <bradfa> ptl, what counts as expensive to you?
Jun 12 20:08:43 <bradfa> $100k is child's play :)
Jun 12 20:08:50 <ptl> costing more than US$200
Jun 12 20:08:53 <KotH> lol
Jun 12 20:09:02 <bradfa> ptl, you can get a used rigol for less than that
Jun 12 20:09:09 <bradfa> new rigol for slightly more
Jun 12 20:09:10 <KotH> you wont even get a guess-o-meter for that money
Jun 12 20:09:38 <bradfa> http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000e/ds1052e/
Jun 12 20:09:42 <ptl> when I pay US$ 200 for something it usually gets here for about US$ 500
Jun 12 20:09:46 <KotH> a good scope is worth every rappen
Jun 12 20:10:00 <bradfa> mid range rigols are quite nice these days
Jun 12 20:10:04 <ptl> this one is famous and said to be good
Jun 12 20:10:05 <bradfa> in the $1-2k range
Jun 12 20:10:18 <KotH> bradfa: for 2k i already get a quite good tek
Jun 12 20:10:34 <KotH> bradfa: 400mhz, 4 channel...
Jun 12 20:10:42 <ptl> anyway, it's just that they seem like simple circuits to me
Jun 12 20:10:55 <ptl> is it because of the protection circuits and high frequency?
Jun 12 20:11:05 <KotH> lol
Jun 12 20:11:07 <KotH> no, they are not
Jun 12 20:11:13 <bradfa> KotH, which one? 2000 or 3000 series?
Jun 12 20:11:19 <KotH> bradfa: 2000 series
Jun 12 20:11:30 <panto> bradfa, just got a rigol ds1102e for about 400e
Jun 12 20:11:33 * bradfa had a 4000, 5000, and 7000 tek at Xerox
Jun 12 20:11:52 <bradfa> panto, they are the AllWinner of scopes :)
Jun 12 20:11:53 <KotH> ptl: building a scope that goes from 0 to 200MHz and accurately displays any signals within that bandwidth is not easy
Jun 12 20:12:04 <KotH> bradfa: the 4000s are nice
Jun 12 20:12:12 <ds2> for more fun, build a VNA
Jun 12 20:12:21 <KotH> bradfa: i wouldnt mind having one...especially one with a 6GHz rf input ;)
Jun 12 20:12:24 <bradfa> now if we want to talk spectrum analyzers, you pay for scan rate and noise levels :)
Jun 12 20:12:31 <ptl> KotH: so the problem is the high frequency, right? because there are cheap meters like DSO-Quad and such
Jun 12 20:12:35 <bradfa> $1k rigol scans slooooooooooow
Jun 12 20:12:46 <KotH> ds2: ouh... i ... do..not..want...to..imagine...how...difficult...that...is
Jun 12 20:12:51 <bradfa> $100k agilent scans fst (so fast don't need to type the a)
Jun 12 20:12:54 <ds2> I want DC-6GHz, with a sweep of 10seconds, and band resolution of 0.1Hz
Jun 12 20:12:55 <ds2> :)
Jun 12 20:12:58 <KotH> ptl: no, the problem lies in accuracy
Jun 12 20:13:10 <ptl> hmm
Jun 12 20:13:29 <ds2> it isn't so much scan rate as in scan rate + good freq resolution
Jun 12 20:13:30 <KotH> ptl: you can easily get somethign to display... but if it does not bear any resemblance to reality, it's worthless
Jun 12 20:13:34 * mdp doesn't see anybody answer why scopes are "expensive"
Jun 12 20:13:50 <KotH> mdp: because building them is not easy at all
Jun 12 20:14:00 <mdp> +1
Jun 12 20:14:07 <bradfa> a to d's are fun
Jun 12 20:14:09 <KotH> and i said that before :)
Jun 12 20:14:09 <mdp> the analog front-end is expensive
Jun 12 20:14:18 <KotH> yeah..
Jun 12 20:14:22 <mdp> right, the analog parts are expensive at those speeds
Jun 12 20:14:32 <KotH> you can buy the ADCs quite "cheaply"
Jun 12 20:14:35 <panto> bradfa, I don't care; for the stuff I want to do it's fine
Jun 12 20:14:36 <ds2> expensive is relative
Jun 12 20:14:38 <ssi> Windows 7 tek edition is expensive ;)
Jun 12 20:14:40 <bradfa> panto, yes :)
Jun 12 20:14:48 <panto> plus it got me thinking
Jun 12 20:14:57 <KotH> ssi: we have a tek scope that boots windows me :)
Jun 12 20:14:58 <mdp> and the rigols and the cheap noname copies that have similar quality have the same analog frontend
Jun 12 20:15:02 <panto> it's a POS blackfin based
Jun 12 20:15:04 <ssi> I'm sure you do
Jun 12 20:15:11 <mdp> go watch some eevblog teardown videos sometime
Jun 12 20:15:12 <ssi> I only have scopes old enough to not run windows
Jun 12 20:15:26 <bradfa> expensive test equipment all runs windows
Jun 12 20:15:42 <ssi> that's what's wrong with the world today :)
Jun 12 20:15:44 <ptl> If I ever buy one it will be the Owon SDS6062, it seems good enough and its screen is big.
Jun 12 20:15:52 <mdp> ds2, people wonder why you can get 200MHz+ b/w for $50 I think
Jun 12 20:15:55 <bradfa> fun way to see if a scope was built with care, normal trigger and plug in a USB memory stick. did it trigger?
Jun 12 20:16:01 <ds2> correlary - Windows users are idiots who will pay through the nose w/o thinking.
Jun 12 20:16:05 <mdp> s/can/can't/
Jun 12 20:16:06 <ds2> :)
Jun 12 20:16:11 <KotH> mdp: if you want to go cheap, there is a 40usd handhald scope, that does 40MHz by using questionable analog frontend and overclocking a 20MHz speced DAC :)
Jun 12 20:16:20 <mdp> KotH, yes, I know ;)
Jun 12 20:16:21 <ds2> mdp: actually, you can... used HP/Tek scopes can be had in that price range
Jun 12 20:16:28 <mdp> ds2, that's what I have ;)
Jun 12 20:16:35 <ssi> I've got a tds420A and a tds320A
Jun 12 20:16:39 <mdp> actually have an old 20mhz analog ;)
Jun 12 20:16:46 <ssi> the 420's front panel is getting flaky
Jun 12 20:16:52 <KotH> mdp: i beat that
Jun 12 20:17:00 <KotH> mdp: 50MHz, 2ch, tek :)
Jun 12 20:17:14 <mdp> but "people" wonder why new DSOs aren't down in that range..because they forget that only digital stuff is cheap...and _commodity_ analog components
Jun 12 20:17:18 <KotH> mint condition, nontheless
Jun 12 20:17:36 <ssi> mdp: that and there's just no volume in quality analog hardware
Jun 12 20:17:39 <ds2> people really shouldn't be using DSO's at those bw's without a lot more understanding
Jun 12 20:17:41 <mdp> KotH, I'm holding out for some changes in the DSO market before going better
Jun 12 20:17:45 <ssi> low volume = expensive
Jun 12 20:17:47 <mdp> ssi, exactly
Jun 12 20:17:54 <KotH> mdp: not to mention that good scopes have an OCXO that itself costs 50-100USD
Jun 12 20:18:03 <KotH> at volume prices
Jun 12 20:18:08 <mdp> yup
Jun 12 20:18:34 <ssi> you think scopes are high, price spectrum analyzers :/
Jun 12 20:18:35 <ds2> that's cheap, higher end SA's have those rare earth osc time bases
Jun 12 20:18:43 <ssi> lul
Jun 12 20:18:45 <mdp> and like ds2 says, it's all relative.
Jun 12 20:19:10 <KotH> ds2: rare earth?
Jun 12 20:19:10 <mdp> the scope and logic analyzer people use for uC stuff is super accessible price-wise for the hobbyist
Jun 12 20:19:17 <ds2> i remember being shown a cube the size of 3 BBBs stacked that costs more then a low end car
Jun 12 20:19:20 <KotH> ds2: i dont know of any oscillator made of rare earth
Jun 12 20:19:24 <ds2> KotH: R-something
Jun 12 20:19:27 <mdp> take a step up to a rigol for some more serious hobbyist work
Jun 12 20:19:41 <ds2> that's the material
Jun 12 20:19:42 <KotH> ds2: rubidium?
Jun 12 20:19:47 <bradfa> dirt?
Jun 12 20:19:50 <ds2> KotH: that sounds about right
Jun 12 20:20:03 <KotH> ds2: that's not a rare earth... that's an alkali metal :)
Jun 12 20:20:04 <mdp> next people will complain that building airplanes is expensive
Jun 12 20:20:12 <ptl> ok
Jun 12 20:20:13 <ds2> the unit I saw was about 3 BBB stacked in a metal canister
Jun 12 20:20:16 <mru> mdp: it is!
Jun 12 20:20:19 <ptl> I promise not to bich anymore about scopes
Jun 12 20:20:19 <ds2> KotH: eh?
Jun 12 20:20:20 <ptl> :P
Jun 12 20:20:20 <mdp> mru, no!
Jun 12 20:20:22 <ptl> *bitch
Jun 12 20:20:28 <mdp> mru, trick leading question
Jun 12 20:20:30 <ptl> the price is right
Jun 12 20:20:31 <mdp> ;)
Jun 12 20:20:33 <KotH> ds2: and i'd be surprised to see a Rb standard in a scope... it doesnt make much sense
Jun 12 20:20:57 <mru> btw, the british airways business class magazine has a 'rare earth element of the month' column
Jun 12 20:21:00 <ds2> KotH: they were pulls from a rack mount SA
Jun 12 20:21:07 <KotH> ds2: have a look at the oscilloquartz 8607
Jun 12 20:21:24 <ds2> guess it is a an akali metal
Jun 12 20:21:28 <mdp> mru, business class magazine..I will never see that one ;)
Jun 12 20:21:32 <KotH> ds2: for the low end variant, you get a good used car, for the high end variant you can buy a mid sized sedan
Jun 12 20:21:35 <KotH> ds2: new
Jun 12 20:21:56 <mru> mdp: it's usually in the frontmost rows of economy too
Jun 12 20:22:01 <mru> movable curtain and all that
Jun 12 20:22:06 <mdp> heh
Jun 12 20:22:10 <KotH> ds2: for an SA it makes even less sense
Jun 12 20:22:11 <mdp> darn riffraff
Jun 12 20:22:21 <KotH> ds2: a quartz has less noise than a Rb
Jun 12 20:22:24 <mru> I don't usually fly business class
Jun 12 20:22:36 <ds2> KotH: *shrug* have a friend in the business and he pulled them out of a SA
Jun 12 20:22:48 <KotH> ds2: weird
Jun 12 20:22:57 <ds2> it was a big rack mounted one
Jun 12 20:22:57 <KotH> ds2: if he pulls out more, i'd be interested :)
Jun 12 20:23:03 <KotH> oh..
Jun 12 20:23:07 <ds2> might have been from the 70's or 80's era
Jun 12 20:23:08 <KotH> a complete measurement system
Jun 12 20:23:10 <ds2> heheh
Jun 12 20:23:13 <KotH> ok, then it makes sense
Jun 12 20:23:27 <KotH> probably 90s
Jun 12 20:23:35 <KotH> Rbs were horribly expensive until recently
Jun 12 20:23:43 <KotH> basically inexistent earlier
Jun 12 20:23:51 <mdp> mru, only managed it once from beijing back to the states..I owe the friend that gave me the upgrade about 500 beers for that
Jun 12 20:23:51 <ds2> oh
Jun 12 20:24:28 <mru> I've only flown proper longhaul business class as upgrade from premium economy
Jun 12 20:24:28 <KotH> ds2: these days you get cheap Rb on ebay for <100usd
Jun 12 20:24:38 <KotH> ds2: though these one have horrible phase noise
Jun 12 20:25:13 <ds2> oh
Jun 12 20:25:33 <KotH> ptl: to put things into perspective: the probes for a good scope cost about 1000-3000USD... each
Jun 12 20:25:50 <KotH> ptl: and these things are real black magic!
Jun 12 20:26:02 <mdp> mru, it ruined me for the normal coach longhaul flights :(
Jun 12 20:26:23 <KotH> poor mdp
Jun 12 20:26:30 <KotH> mdp: do you want some chocolate?
Jun 12 20:26:35 <mdp> yes
Jun 12 20:26:38 <mdp> and a cookie
Jun 12 20:26:47 <KotH> mdp: ok, you can have some next time we meet
Jun 12 20:26:52 <mdp> very good
Jun 12 20:27:06 * mdp is reminded of the need to take some elce action
Jun 12 20:27:28 <mru> mdp: it's easy to get used to a few extra comforts
Jun 12 20:27:36 <mdp> too bad everything can be invented on BBB has already been invented
Jun 12 20:28:32 <KotH> mdp: show how to use the bbb as an ultra precise ntp server with less than 10ns uncertainty
Jun 12 20:28:32 <Funcan> Hi. On the beagle bone black, assuming I want to use HDMI, host usb, ethernet and the SD card, how many GPIOs do I have free? I'm having trouble making sense of the datasheet
Jun 12 20:28:51 <KotH> mdp: for bonus points, implement ieee1588
Jun 12 20:29:05 <mdp> mru, indeed. one thing I noted was, on united biz class on that 777, my shoulder width was too wide to lie flat in the biz class unit. I was surprised.
Jun 12 20:29:25 <mdp> mru, always something to complain about
Jun 12 20:29:44 <Funcan> Just trying to get some idea of how many I've got while I start working out how many peripherals I can drive...
Jun 12 20:30:01 <mdp> KotH, how about someting interesting? ;)
Jun 12 20:30:20 <KotH> mdp: that would be actually quite interesting, and is not easily done :)
Jun 12 20:30:34 <KotH> mdp: and it would ensure time-nuts buying the bbb for generations to come
Jun 12 20:30:35 <mdp> I'm gonna let you do that one
Jun 12 20:30:40 <KotH> hehe
Jun 12 20:30:55 <KotH> it's planned.. after i build my own gpsdo
Jun 12 20:31:04 <mdp> or you can hope for somebody else to kang it
Jun 12 20:31:07 <KotH> and maybe after inventing the phaser
Jun 12 20:31:25 <KotH> i doubt
Jun 12 20:31:35 <mdp> phaser first or the blaster with individual energy bolts?
Jun 12 20:31:40 <KotH> most of these guys are buying rpi and wonder why its performance is so bad
Jun 12 20:31:44 <mdp> I'm never sure which should be invented first
Jun 12 20:31:58 <KotH> phaser... you need to be able to make a stone fire
Jun 12 20:33:15 <mdp> an old boy scout trick to start a fire with a phaser
Jun 12 20:33:28 <KotH> no camping is complete w/o a stone fire
Jun 12 20:33:33 <mdp> indeed
Jun 12 20:34:32 <KotH> anyways..gtg and get some sleep.. have to be present at some code reveiw session tomorrow... for code i have never seen before...
Jun 12 20:34:44 <woglinde> nite koth
Jun 12 20:34:58 <woglinde> hm its dark enough
Jun 12 20:35:04 <KotH> night boys, girls, trolls and woglindes
Jun 12 20:35:04 <thorsten_> I tried to boot my BBB A5A, from uSD-Card. Didn't work. Now I wanted to go back to normal boot, but my BBB halts Booting after 3 LEDs (That is, if I read it right, before reading the internal Memory).  Anybody got a clue how to force reading the memory (or did I just brick it?)
Jun 12 20:35:11 <woglinde> so I can dumb the christmas tree
Jun 12 20:35:18 <KotH> lol
Jun 12 20:35:23 <KotH> woglinde: burn it!
Jun 12 20:35:33 <KotH> woglinde: by now it should burn very well
Jun 12 20:35:40 <woglinde> na
Jun 12 20:35:49 <woglinde> its green after all
Jun 12 20:36:18 <mdp> #burnallthethings
Jun 12 20:37:26 <panto> thorsten_, tried reflashing it?
Jun 12 20:37:27 <Shadyman> thorsten_: unplug the memorycard?
Jun 12 20:37:44 <thorsten_> It's out
Jun 12 20:37:54 <Shadyman> :/
Jun 12 20:38:04 <Shadyman> what panto said.
Jun 12 20:38:26 <thorsten_> Will try to reflash it.
Jun 12 20:43:56 <thorsten_> flashing the internal memmory of a BBB: Will the Powersuply by usb be enoug?
Jun 12 20:47:25 <panto> should be
Jun 12 20:47:42 <m_billybob> wow you're up late today panto
Jun 12 20:47:48 <m_billybob> afternoon btw
Jun 12 20:48:15 <_troll_> hi m_billybob
Jun 12 20:48:37 * m_billybob waves
Jun 12 20:48:56 <m_billybob> time to get dirty with wordpress i guess, lots to blog on.
Jun 12 20:49:36 <_troll_> wordpress is evil but it works
Jun 12 20:49:48 <m_billybob> make life easier in some respects.
Jun 12 20:49:55 <woglinde> hm it fit into bio trashbin
Jun 12 20:51:05 <panto> hi m_billybob
Jun 12 20:51:12 <panto> I keep weird hours
Jun 12 20:51:18 <panto> (but not as weird as I used to)
Jun 12 20:53:56 <_troll_> your hours are not as weird as you?
Jun 12 20:54:23 <panto> probably
Jun 12 20:54:40 <thorsten_> Thanks, good night!
Jun 12 21:03:10 <panto> g'night
Jun 12 21:33:38 <Jose__> Hia there
Jun 12 21:36:32 <Jose__> I was asking my self wich projects are for Beagleboard Black with Spotify? I want to do something like http://www.mopidy.com/  for raspi but with Bb
Jun 12 21:37:07 <mru> does the hw matter?
Jun 12 21:39:51 <Jose__> Im just going to do my first project in this field...
Jun 12 21:40:19 <woglinde> so hw does not matter
Jun 12 21:40:57 <Jose__> I was going to use a DAC USB I have, and they have told me that the Raspi USB output has many problems with this, so some people recomend me BBB as is faster
Jun 12 21:41:26 <mru> why not use hdmi?
Jun 12 21:41:45 <Jose__> yes that was my first question
Jun 12 21:42:13 <mru> that requires an hdmi receiver of course
Jun 12 21:42:33 <Jose__> I told them what happen if I buy a HDMI Decoder and take out just teh audio as I want
Jun 12 21:43:39 <Jose__> This was teh answer I had about HDMI in a Hi Fi geeks forum: "I think switching to HDMI instead of USB might be throwing the baby out with the bath water. If your DAC doesn't work with the Raspberry Pi, then don't use a Raspberry Pi. Using HDMI instead of USB because USB is broken is the wrong way to go in my opinion.  As far as I can see if the Raspberry Pi works with the USB DAC or USB speakers (like my B&W MM1s) that you want to use
Jun 12 21:43:48 <Jose__> >>But mostly the USB support for async USB dacs and high res tracks doesn't work yet. I've been trying out a BeagleBone Black board recently and I think that might be better for USB audio than the Pi, from my experience so far. It costs about the same (ie not much), and so it is quite easy to try both and experiment."
Jun 12 21:44:42 <Jose__> I'm dont understand a shit abour Hi FIi, but this experiment will be for putting it in my Bar, so I will need high quality
Jun 12 21:44:43 <mru> it all comes down to how you intend to play back the sound in the end
Jun 12 21:45:06 <mru> do you have an av receiver with hdmi inputs?
Jun 12 21:45:26 <Jose__> just av
Jun 12 21:48:12 <Jose__> But i just dont know about BBB, and coming arround here to understand a little. I understand that any software project of Raspi as Mopidy or Raspyfi it will be OK in a BB no? Or it works in another way?
Jun 12 21:48:53 <mru> cpu-wise anything that runs on rpi can run on the beagle
Jun 12 21:49:05 <mru> the rpi has a more powerful gpu and video processor
Jun 12 21:49:24 <Jose__> I wont do any video project
Jun 12 21:49:48 <Jose__> just sound, and I dont know.. meybe other interesting things
Jun 12 21:50:04 <mru> the beagle cpu is considerably faster
Jun 12 21:51:14 <Jose__> I what quality sense that will be better for streaming music? I understand thet the problem in raspi is like a USB port issue (something in the kernel I suppose...dont know much about tech details)
Jun 12 21:52:27 <mru> the rpi usb can't work reliably in linux
Jun 12 22:07:51 <mranostay> Jose__: hardware issue too iirc
Jun 12 22:08:10 <mru> the rpi is a hardware issue, yes
Jun 12 22:09:29 <mranostay> +1
Jun 12 22:15:43 <Crofton|work> oh god, the klaus video made me lol
Jun 12 22:16:04 <mru> that's ancient
Jun 12 22:16:32 <mranostay> so is Crofton|work
Jun 12 22:36:56 <Jose__> Ok, thank you for your help!
Jun 12 22:37:15 <Jose__> Conclusion: buy a BBB
Jun 12 22:39:53 <kfoltman_> Well, BBB has better USB (allegedly) and much faster FPU if you can use it
Jun 12 22:40:27 <kfoltman_> But only one port
Jun 12 22:40:41 <mru> rpi also has only one usb port
Jun 12 22:40:44 <mru> and it doesn't work
Jun 12 22:40:50 <mranostay> so zero
Jun 12 22:51:13 <mranostay> ka6sox: OMG PONIES^H^H^H^H^H^UNICORNS
Jun 12 22:51:50 <ka6sox> mranostay, I would not have believed it if I hadn't held it my own 2 hands...
Jun 12 22:52:35 <ka6sox> mru, +1 for the expected :)
Jun 12 22:53:13 <mru> I aim to please
Jun 12 22:53:25 <mru> unspecified whom
Jun 12 22:53:34 <mranostay> i was going to say...
Jun 12 22:54:15 <pru_evto> rpi usb port doesn't work?
Jun 12 22:54:20 <pru_evto> wha?
Jun 12 22:55:06 <Jose__> yes, rpi has 2 usb port, thats nice. Why u say don't work?
Jun 12 22:59:27 <pru_evto> (mru said so)
Jun 12 22:59:55 <mru> it has one port and an onboard hub
Jun 12 23:00:09 <mru> and it's unreliable
Jun 12 23:00:14 <mru> everybody knows that
Jun 12 23:05:06 <Jose__> if in a rpi I put a wifi adapter in un port and a DAC USB in the other. You say that the music wont sound? or sound with problems?
Jun 12 23:05:54 <bleeter> Jose__: it's likely it'll buffer under/overrun and cause resets etc.
Jun 12 23:06:12 <mru> the usb controller drops frames
Jun 12 23:06:27 <mru> because linux can't always service interrupts fast enough
Jun 12 23:06:49 <bleeter> though having said that, mate of mine who uses an RPi to log his weather station over USB says that in the past few weeks it's stopped resetting like mad, he's turned the watchdog off. so it *might* be 'fixed' but /shrug
Jun 12 23:07:12 <mru> the chip was never meant to run linux
Jun 12 23:07:38 <bleeter> that
Jun 12 23:08:08 <mru> the am335x is
Jun 12 23:10:03 <mru> logging weather readings is probably low enough load that it rarely fails
Jun 12 23:11:40 <bleeter> he's doing realtime logging stuffs, still can't do it all on the RPi (live multiple js graphs etc put a real strain on it). Pretty sure he's going to get some BBB's
Jun 12 23:11:45 <Mistobaan> anyone has successfully installed ubuntu on an SDcard using macosx ?
Jun 12 23:12:54 <bleeter> mru: fwiw I'm sorta hoping to get it going on my BBB with a 4.3" touchscreen, should be fun :) http://weather.bha.al/ (my friend's station)
Jun 12 23:13:09 <pru_evto> "<mru> because linux can't always service interrupts fast enough"
Jun 12 23:13:18 <pru_evto> whaa? sounds like a bad driver.
Jun 12 23:13:23 <mru> no
Jun 12 23:13:39 <mru> the hw has insane demands
Jun 12 23:13:41 <Jose__> you know what, I will buy both, a BBB and a rspi
Jun 12 23:13:47 <mru> and linux is not an rtos
Jun 12 23:13:53 <pru_evto> drivers should assume that interrupts will be missed, because linux *doesn't* guarantee that an interrupt will be caught.
Jun 12 23:13:57 <pru_evto> that's linux device driver 101
Jun 12 23:14:24 <mru> that's not the issue
Jun 12 23:14:45 <pru_evto> cpu just isn't fast enough?
Jun 12 23:14:53 <mru> if the interrupt is not taken _and handled_ within something like 1 ms the usb hw drops the frame
Jun 12 23:15:04 <mru> and it generates one interrupt per microframe
Jun 12 23:15:31 <mru> it's almost but not quite bitbanging
Jun 12 23:15:31 <Jose__> and if u use a USB HUB with power charge
Jun 12 23:15:35 <pru_evto> ...isn't that a buffer problem then?
Jun 12 23:15:35 <Jose__> ?
Jun 12 23:15:47 <mru> pru_evto: tell that to the people who designed the usb controller
Jun 12 23:15:54 <pru_evto> hahah
Jun 12 23:15:54 <mru> there is no sw fix
Jun 12 23:16:03 <mru> other than running an rtos of course
Jun 12 23:16:34 <mru> hell, the arm was probably put there just to handle those interrupts
Jun 12 23:16:47 <pru_evto> 1ms is pretty nutty.
Jun 12 23:17:13 <mru> not for an rtos doing nothing else
Jun 12 23:17:16 <pru_evto> to start throwing data away at least.
Jun 12 23:18:17 <mru> nobody said it wasn't nutty to run linux on that hw
Jun 12 23:19:27 <kfoltman_> pru_evto: 1ms is doable, maybe not 100% of the time, but 99.9%
Jun 12 23:20:08 <Mistobaan> I am trying to boot from the sd card. but is seems that the usr01 light goes on at the beginning and then stops blinking. Any Suggestions ?
Jun 12 23:21:03 <kfoltman_> the DSP code in calfbox has about 0.9ms time slot to run all the synthesis/effects/MIDI routing, and I get a warning if it misses a deadline - and I seldom get any warnings
Jun 12 23:21:04 <pru_evto> Mistobaan: did you check to see if your board is in a time vortex? could be running very slow as a result.
Jun 12 23:21:21 <kfoltman_> and that's linux and userspace
Jun 12 23:23:16 <bleeter> also, the ethernet is on the same chip as the USB. Not that I've tried, but I suspect under a little network and USB load the thing would collapse in a screaming heap.
Jun 12 23:23:33 <mru> that's what the internets say it does
Jun 12 23:23:51 <bleeter> (by "little" I mean... an amount I have no idea what of 'coz I'm too lazy to test myself)
Jun 12 23:23:55 <kfoltman_>  well, isn't BBB running the CPU, ethernet and USB on the same chip? :P
Jun 12 23:23:57 <bleeter> mru: had only guessed :)
Jun 12 23:24:36 <bleeter> kfoltman_: CPU? On a chip?! MADNESS!
Jun 12 23:25:02 <Jose__> DONE, 1 raspi and a BBB shipping to my house. Buy it in mcmelectronics.com with other few stuff for the experiment
Jun 12 23:25:07 <kfoltman_> bleeter: if it's not discrete transistors, it doesn't count!
Jun 12 23:25:27 <kfoltman_> raspi for full-HD HDMI, BBB for everything else ;)
Jun 12 23:25:36 <mru> Jose__: let us know how it goes
Jun 12 23:26:02 <Jose__> I also buy a FiiO E07K  (DAC/amp USB)
Jun 12 23:26:20 <Jose__> I will tried the same exactly experimento with both
Jun 12 23:26:53 <mranostay> kfoltman_: er you know the bbb has HDMI out right?
Jun 12 23:27:05 <kfoltman_> mranostay: emphasis on "full HD"
Jun 12 23:27:09 <kfoltman_> as in 1080p :P
Jun 12 23:27:25 <Jose__> and see if a have different quality of sounds in my hifi headphones, in normal deskpot speakers, and in my bar sound system
Jun 12 23:27:40 <mru> I bet it can't do 4k
Jun 12 23:27:42 <kfoltman_> mranostay: I do use bbb's HDMI output (hell, bought a HDMI monitor specifically for that)
Jun 12 23:28:35 <mranostay> the rpi can't do 1080p
Jun 12 23:28:38 <kfoltman_> or at least, did use it, when starting - now I don't do anything with it that would require anything better than serial console or ssh
Jun 12 23:29:20 <kfoltman_> mranostay: "14 HDMI resolutions from 640×350 to 1920×1200 plus various PAL and NTSC standards" says wikipedia
Jun 12 23:29:34 <Jose__> in mcmelectronics.com  they dont sell BBB cases.. :(
Jun 12 23:30:07 <kfoltman_> Jose__: case is not a problem, but better get a 5V power supply and a 3.3V USB-TTL serial adapter
Jun 12 23:30:18 <kfoltman_> a *good* 5V power supply (preferably >2A)
Jun 12 23:30:46 <pru_evto> Jose__: just use an altoids container :D
Jun 12 23:30:55 <pru_evto> that's why it has rounded edges.
Jun 12 23:31:05 <mru> no joke
Jun 12 23:31:44 <kfoltman_> altoids container? is it some US thing? :P
Jun 12 23:31:54 <Jose__> to late for the 3.3V USB-TTL serial adapter ... I already pay
Jun 12 23:32:13 <kfoltman_> Jose__: get one on ebay or something... it's a must-have, pretty much
Jun 12 23:32:13 <bleeter> kfoltman_: sounds like an STD to me
Jun 12 23:32:25 <kfoltman_> Jose: or at least "very good to have" in case something goes wrong
Jun 12 23:32:33 <Jose__> and the 5V power suply... I have here almost 10 blackberry powersuppliers
Jun 12 23:32:42 <bleeter> Jose__: USB-TTL adapters also very handy if you get in to #openwrt type foo on your routers
Jun 12 23:33:02 <kfoltman_> Jose__: if it's less than 1A, then it may be insufficient
Jun 12 23:33:18 <kfoltman_> Jose__: and no matter what happens, DO NOT DO opkg upgrade !!!
Jun 12 23:33:44 <pru_evto> do not use the tools provided by the distribution to manage software! >:-(
Jun 12 23:35:04 <Jose__> u are talking about the BBB or the rpi no?
Jun 12 23:35:17 <kfoltman_> Jose__: BBB... rpi is not even worth talking about ;)
Jun 12 23:35:36 * bleeter idly wonders why the BBB FAQ doesn't mention 'DO NOT DO opkg upgrade !!!'
Jun 12 23:36:25 <Jose__> Just buy some other things, but the peripherical for BBB will be this ones:
Jun 12 23:36:29 <Jose__> 1- http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14223&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ConfirmEmail
Jun 12 23:36:36 <Jose__> 2- http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/831-2761&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ConfirmEmail
Jun 12 23:36:44 <Jose__> and 3- http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/80-8515&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ConfirmEmail
Jun 12 23:37:05 <Jose__> I will conquer the world with that
Jun 12 23:38:24 <Jose__> and also download this book http://www.dummies.com/store/product/Python-For-Dummies.productCd-0471778648.html   as homework while waiting to the package arrive home.
Jun 12 23:38:57 <Jose__> I live in Honduras... and I think I will be the only guy in all this country with a BBB. I can bet my ass.
Jun 12 23:39:16 <mranostay> and spamming too
Jun 12 23:39:46 <Jose__> o_O
Jun 12 23:40:42 <kfoltman_> bleeter: it's a rite of passage, of sorts
Jun 12 23:41:39 <bleeter> kfoltman_: oic. I guess it's a good excuse to find out if my new usb-ttl cable actually works.
Jun 12 23:42:15 <helpppp> hello
Jun 12 23:42:36 <helpppp> what is the new in the new version of firware for beaglebone black?
Jun 12 23:42:49 <mranostay> helpppp: ponies
Jun 12 23:43:17 <mastiff> Dude that's the password not the version number.
Jun 12 23:43:17 <mru> the release notes have been updated
Jun 12 23:43:21 <helpppp> what is the new in the last imagen for bealgleboar black?
Jun 12 23:43:38 <helpppp> mru where is the relese notes?
Jun 12 23:43:40 <Desert> i have a Beaglebone Black, does the included distro has OpengL support? Qt5 builds?
Jun 12 23:45:31 <helpppp> hello?
Jun 12 23:48:04 <Jose__> Well, thx u all <mru>, <kfoltman_>,<pru_evto>, I will post in the BB>Audio Google Group my advances and different research about both USB audio difference.
Jun 12 23:59:15 <pru_evto> don't thank me. i'm mostly a troll.
Jun 12 23:59:45 <_troll_> emphasis on mostly
Jun 12 23:59:58 <mranostay> heh
Jun 13 00:00:14 <pru_evto> ok, slightly.
Jun 13 00:01:07 <mranostay> barely
Jun 13 00:01:16 <bleeter> mru: you said the release notes have been updated, but when I click on "More Info" on http://beagleboard.org/latest-images I get a page last updated in April ( http://beagleboard.org/project/angstrom ). I presume there's some other page I should be looking at?
Jun 13 00:01:27 <ka6sox> pru_evto, you aren't even a Apprentice Troll...
Jun 13 00:01:54 <ka6sox> (at least in this channel)
Jun 13 00:01:57 <ka6sox> :)
Jun 13 00:03:15 <ka6sox> bleeter, I don't see a changelog for the images
Jun 13 00:04:03 <mru> then there's nothing to update
Jun 13 00:05:50 <mranostay> ka6sox: how is it in unicorn-land? all cotton candy clouds? :)
Jun 13 00:06:47 <ka6sox> I'm still reeling in shock...
Jun 13 00:07:40 <mranostay> we should have shipped it one part at a time
Jun 13 00:07:47 <mranostay> to ease you into it
Jun 13 00:08:10 <pru_evto> did someone make a unicorn cape?
Jun 13 00:08:41 <mranostay> no he finally got free hw that everyone else got 6 months ago :P
Jun 13 00:09:13 <pru_evto> oh..uh...loser.
Jun 13 00:09:19 <ka6sox> just in time for *new* hardware  to come out
Jun 13 00:09:21 * pru_evto looks around, sees no free hardware
Jun 13 00:12:08 <ka6sox> its okay...I"m happy its here
Jun 13 00:12:48 <ds2> oh FS2?
Jun 13 00:12:54 <ka6sox> FRI2
Jun 13 00:13:05 <ds2> I mean that
Jun 13 00:21:30 <vvu|Mobile> Tartarus: does u-boot have usb support for AM335x? I am working for a Google Summer of Code project *booting a BeableBone Black from an Android device* and i need usb to get the kernel and fs from the android device.
Jun 13 00:24:09 <mranostay> ka6sox: what are you going to do with yours?
Jun 13 00:24:42 <ka6sox> still debating...
Jun 13 00:24:49 <ka6sox> depends on if the 3g works.
Jun 13 00:28:43 <ka6sox> if it does I have an application that I stuck my foot in my mouth in the #oe channel a while ago about...
Jun 13 00:29:41 <ds2> does it really have 3G?
Jun 13 00:29:44 <ds2> and if so, what carrier?
Jun 13 00:30:18 <ka6sox> connector says so, its GSM
Jun 13 00:30:40 <ds2> but what carrier? TMO or ATT? they use different freq in the US
Jun 13 00:32:48 <mranostay> ka6sox: what are you going to use the 3g for?
Jun 13 00:33:47 <ds2> too bad the FRI2 don't have a nice battery option
Jun 13 00:34:06 <mranostay> heh you know how hot the case gets right? :)
Jun 13 00:34:38 <ds2> it is like a 2nd gen atom
Jun 13 00:35:00 <ka6sox> mranostay, I know how hot its going to get
Jun 13 00:35:32 <ka6sox> I could tell based upon the packaging.
Jun 13 00:35:37 <Tartarus> vvu|Mobile, yes, USB works in both host and gadget mode
Jun 13 00:35:52 <ds2> ka6sox: wonder how well would that pair up with a little betta tank
Jun 13 00:35:54 <vvu|Mobile> Tartarus: thx for the info
Jun 13 00:36:02 <Tartarus> vvu|Mobile, the question is, what ways can you get the android device to show up as, easily
Jun 13 00:36:15 <Tartarus> if you can easily get it to pretend to be mass storage, we can browse the fs
Jun 13 00:36:48 <Tartarus> if you can easily get it to be a USB RNDIS device, we can talk via eth, and then you need dhcp/tftp from the android device to the bone
Jun 13 00:36:48 <vvu|Mobile> i`m not really experienced with u-boot. can we do tftp over usb?
Jun 13 00:36:56 <Tartarus> Yes
Jun 13 00:37:01 <Tartarus> Sec
Jun 13 00:37:07 <mranostay> Tartarus: does it actually work? :)
Jun 13 00:37:10 <mranostay> and not fastboot?
Jun 13 00:37:22 <vvu|Mobile> i am already working on rndis implementation for usb boot of the am335x
Jun 13 00:37:28 <Tartarus> mranostay, Go do some 24bit math :P
Jun 13 00:37:39 <ka6sox> Tartarus, +1
Jun 13 00:37:40 <Tartarus> vvu|Mobile, http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AMSDK_u-boot_User%27s_Guide#Using_the_network_.28Wired_or_USB.29
Jun 13 00:37:48 <ds2> tftp would be nice
Jun 13 00:38:00 <Tartarus> That shows how with a general linux host you would configure things to work so that you can use networking on the gadget port as ethernet
Jun 13 00:38:29 <Tartarus> vvu|Mobile, don't read too too much into the rest of the page as it's centered around the AMSDK release, but that does track somewhat close to mainline, for U-Boot
Jun 13 00:38:42 <vvu|Mobile> okok
Jun 13 00:39:22 <vvu|Mobile> Tartarus: another question, does the MLO have usb support in it?
Jun 13 00:39:32 <Tartarus> vvu|Mobile, it can, yes
Jun 13 00:40:00 <Tartarus> If you build for am335x_evm_usbspl it will build in such as way as to load u-boot.img over usb
Jun 13 00:40:21 <Tartarus> after the ROM loads u-boot-spl.bin
Jun 13 00:40:27 <Tartarus> which is not quite the same as MLO
Jun 13 00:40:32 <Tartarus> it's MLO before you add the header
Jun 13 00:40:42 <Tartarus> which is important to know, if you throw MLO at the ROM over USB, you don't boot :)
Jun 13 00:40:57 <vvu|Mobile> yep, read the TRM about xip and non-xip stuff
Jun 13 00:41:20 <Tartarus> k, good
Jun 13 00:41:25 <Tartarus> Let me know if you have other questions
Jun 13 00:41:31 <Tartarus> Spent a good deal of time in some parts of this :)
Jun 13 00:41:44 <vvu|Mobile> Tartarus: but after ROM takes u-boot-spl.bin i need still over usb to take u-boot from the android device
Jun 13 00:41:50 <Tartarus> vvu|Mobile, right
Jun 13 00:42:36 <Tartarus> am335x_evm_usbspl build in U-Boot will give you something that loads u-boot.img over USB.  It may be easier to have u-boot get fully loaded, and that in turn loads the distro kernel/etc over usb
Jun 13 00:42:50 <vvu|Mobile> i will look into this matter in a few day. still need to finish the code to send *stuff* over usb to the board
Jun 13 00:43:01 <Tartarus> k
Jun 13 00:43:16 <Tartarus> To my mind, getting Android to send stuff over to USB is the hard part
Jun 13 00:43:19 <vvu|Mobile> yep that is my plan to do thing
Jun 13 00:43:20 <Tartarus> or at least one of the hard parts
Jun 13 00:43:42 <vvu|Mobile> for android i can see the board in the device list, get permissions for it, claim interface and see endpoints
Jun 13 00:43:53 <vvu|Mobile> but when i bulk_read it hangs
Jun 13 00:44:30 <vvu|Mobile> i started doing everything on linux and then port it to android
Jun 13 00:45:58 <ka6sox> vvu|Mobile, do you need superuser on the android device?
Jun 13 00:46:15 <vvu|Mobile> need a custom kernel for starters
Jun 13 00:46:30 <vvu|Mobile> but using the java api root is avoided
Jun 13 00:47:07 <vvu|Mobile> need to remove the USB-OTG support from the kernel
Jun 13 00:49:33 <ka6sox> vvu|Mobile, we created a linux environment that runs on a stock android env, lives in /opt
Jun 13 00:50:03 <ka6sox> so things like a real tftp server (one that is built using linux glibc) can be used.
Jun 13 00:50:28 <vvu|Mobile> this sounds intresting
Jun 13 00:51:39 <ka6sox> so it has a ssh server and other things that run so you can work the env
Jun 13 00:51:45 <vvu|Mobile> yes but the custom kernel is still needed
Jun 13 00:52:10 <ka6sox> yes, but you can set root at the time of installation of your custom kernel if you want
Jun 13 00:52:43 <ka6sox> this appends the init file to setup the optware environment
Jun 13 00:52:44 <vvu|Mobile> my target was to build everything with less user involvement and based on java
Jun 13 00:52:59 <ka6sox> np
Jun 13 00:53:11 <ka6sox> if you get stuck...there are "opt"ions
Jun 13 00:53:15 <vvu|Mobile> yep!
Jun 13 00:53:50 <vvu|Mobile> link to this *opt*ion where i can read more?
Jun 13 00:54:20 <ka6sox> we called it 0.0.1 but it works quite well.
Jun 13 00:54:21 <ka6sox> https://github.com/ka6sox/nook-color
Jun 13 00:54:50 <ka6sox> we were looking at porting a linux OS to this platform and this was our way of exploring
Jun 13 00:55:30 <ka6sox> mods 1 and adds 1 file to the base Android
Jun 13 00:57:21 <vvu|Mobile> okok. enough for 2night vvu needs some sleep too. have a great evening !
Jun 13 00:57:32 <ka6sox> nite vvu|Mobile
Jun 13 01:12:50 <ds2> ka6sox: nook? have you messed with the NST?
Jun 13 01:13:42 <ka6sox> nst?
Jun 13 01:13:49 <ds2> Nook Simple Touch
Jun 13 01:19:29 <liamk__> My Beaglebone Black crashes after a few minutes when my wifi adapter is plugged in. How should I fix this?
Jun 13 01:19:54 <ssi> more power probably
Jun 13 01:20:46 <liamk__> Thanks I'll try that.
Jun 13 01:20:58 <ds2> yank harder on the leash so it won't wander off recklessly and crashing?
Jun 13 01:22:38 <liamk__> Just tried it with a higher amperage power adapter, it works now! Thank you
Jun 13 01:22:47 <ssi> that was easy
Jun 13 01:25:26 <ka6sox> ssi,  I think someone trademarked that...
Jun 13 01:31:48 <ssi> ka6sox: :'(
Jun 13 01:32:34 <ka6sox> indeed
Jun 13 01:58:37 <bradfa_> what, no trolls at this hour?
Jun 13 01:58:55 <bradfa_> it's almost Friday!
Jun 13 02:04:40 <mrpackethead> lol
Jun 13 02:08:44 <ka6sox> hiya bradfa_
Jun 13 02:08:57 <bradfa_> howdy ho
Jun 13 02:09:07 <bradfa_> ka6sox, what's in the unicorn box?
Jun 13 02:09:11 <bradfa_> now I have to know! :)
Jun 13 02:09:48 <ka6sox> FRI2
Jun 13 02:10:18 <bradfa_> ah, ok
Jun 13 02:11:05 <bradfa_> ooo, x86
Jun 13 02:11:10 <bradfa_> mranostay would be happy
Jun 13 02:11:37 <bradfa_> 2.4 GHz it seems, assuming off the shelf wifi and 802.15.4
Jun 13 02:11:53 <bradfa_> cool
Jun 13 02:11:55 <mranostay> bradfa_: forsake ARM now!
Jun 13 02:12:06 <bradfa_> it is foresunk
Jun 13 02:12:11 <ardva> can you even mmap x86?
Jun 13 02:12:13 <bradfa_> can I have some MIPS now, please?
Jun 13 02:12:29 <ka6sox> only with pi
Jun 13 02:13:25 <ka6sox> bradfa_, at the distance I need to make this work, I could use no antenna
Jun 13 02:13:42 <ka6sox> I'm more interested in what the 3g can do.
Jun 13 02:13:50 <bradfa_> ka6sox, you might overestimate the radiation pattern of SMA connectors :)
Jun 13 02:14:14 <ka6sox> its RP-SMA
Jun 13 02:14:15 <ka6sox> :)
Jun 13 02:14:26 <bradfa_> ah, the kind you don't need to be a "professional installer" for :)
Jun 13 02:14:27 <ka6sox> and 3" is far enough
Jun 13 02:14:41 <bradfa_> silly FCC
Jun 13 02:14:47 <ka6sox> :)
Jun 13 02:14:50 <ptl> it is said that beaglebone is open source, but how can that be since Allwinner A10 processor isn't?
Jun 13 02:15:06 <bradfa_> ptl, ask your question in a way that's answerable
Jun 13 02:15:18 <ptl> is beaglebone open source?
Jun 13 02:15:24 <bradfa_> ptl, yes
Jun 13 02:15:40 <ptl> is the Allwinner A10 processor open source hardware?
Jun 13 02:15:52 <bradfa_> ptl, no, it's a SoC
Jun 13 02:15:55 <ptl> s/processor/SoC/
Jun 13 02:15:56 <ptl> sorry
Jun 13 02:16:06 <bradfa_> no, it's not open source, either
Jun 13 02:16:24 <bradfa_> I'm not sure any ARM processors / SoC are open source themselves
Jun 13 02:16:26 <ptl> so, since beaglebone has a proprietary part, it cannot be open source hardware. Right?
Jun 13 02:16:41 <bradfa_> ptl, it depends on how you define open source hardware
Jun 13 02:16:51 <ka6sox> bradfa_,+1
Jun 13 02:17:01 <bradfa_> all design files are available for the board and it runs angstrom
Jun 13 02:17:09 <bradfa_> so in my book that's as open source as you're going to get from hardware
Jun 13 02:17:15 <ka6sox> :)
Jun 13 02:17:18 <ptl> being able to copy, modify and sell the hardware without paying any fees to anyone
Jun 13 02:17:24 <bradfa_> ptl, but there's no A10 on beaglebone
Jun 13 02:17:44 <bradfa_> ptl, you can copy, modify, and sell beaglebones to your heart's content without paying any royalties
Jun 13 02:17:50 <bradfa_> just don't call it a bealge
Jun 13 02:17:57 <bradfa_> s/bealge/beagle/
Jun 13 02:18:08 <ptl> oops
Jun 13 02:18:18 <ptl> it's Sitara AM335x, right?
Jun 13 02:18:22 <bradfa_> yes
Jun 13 02:18:24 <ptl> sorry, Allwinner A10 is for pcduino
Jun 13 02:19:02 <mranostay> ka6sox: btw your picture isn't fuzzy enough
Jun 13 02:19:18 <ka6sox> for whom?
Jun 13 02:19:19 <bradfa_> mranostay, I took a picture of cat puke tonight.  It's fuzzy.  Want me put it on g+?
Jun 13 02:19:40 <ka6sox> bradfa_, I'll pass
Jun 13 02:19:47 <mranostay> why would you take a picture of cat puke
Jun 13 02:19:53 <ptl> my cat  eats its puke after a day or two
Jun 13 02:20:08 <ptl> it's cute
Jun 13 02:20:09 <bradfa_> cat(s) have worms, going to vet, vet wants either worms or pic, I don't want to carry around cat puke
Jun 13 02:20:10 <mranostay> better the second time down?
Jun 13 02:20:27 <mranostay> ptl: sure whatever you say weirdo with the weird cat
Jun 13 02:20:28 <ptl> seems so
Jun 13 02:20:47 <mranostay> bradfa_: pics or gtfo from a vet?
Jun 13 02:21:33 <bradfa_> mranostay, exactly
Jun 13 02:21:45 <mranostay> bradfa_: outdoor cat?
Jun 13 02:22:06 <bradfa_> 2 of them
Jun 13 02:22:33 <mranostay> reminds me i need to register this cat..
Jun 13 02:23:56 <bradfa_> register? with gov-mer-net?  didn't NSA already take care of that for you?
Jun 13 02:24:46 <mranostay> heh country animal services
Jun 13 02:24:48 <mranostay> *county
Jun 13 02:25:58 <mranostay> bradfa_: only two counties in Oregon require it for cats.. and both are the only ones worth living in :)
Jun 13 02:26:17 <bradfa_> mranostay, town I'm moving to slogan is "Where life's worth living."
Jun 13 02:26:22 <bradfa_> maybe they were afraid people wouldn't think so
Jun 13 02:26:38 <bradfa_> it snows a lot there so that might be it, too
Jun 13 02:26:50 <bradfa_> slogan is all that's keeping people alive
Jun 13 02:27:20 <mranostay> bradfa_: Cleveland's should be "Why are you moving here?" :)
Jun 13 02:27:34 <bradfa_> +1
Jun 13 02:27:55 <bradfa_> or all of Alabama, although they do put bacon in everything, but maybe that's not a retort
Jun 13 02:28:27 <mranostay> bradfa_: you know i lived in that forsaken place for a year right? :P
Jun 13 02:28:48 <bradfa_> yes, hence mention :)
Jun 13 02:28:51 <mranostay> bradfa_: MS is worse :)
Jun 13 02:28:59 <bradfa_> never been, don't want to go
Jun 13 02:29:40 <bradfa_> Portland's nice, though
Jun 13 02:29:49 <bradfa_> little hippie, but nice
Jun 13 02:31:58 <Wewoka> Anybody had experience with a CAN cape?
Jun 13 02:32:08 <mranostay> no but i have with tin cans
Jun 13 02:32:53 <mrpackethead> bradfa_: our town has been called "p-town"
Jun 13 02:33:15 <ka6sox> Wewoka, there are folks here with can experience
Jun 13 02:33:27 <ka6sox> you just need to ask your question and be patient...
Jun 13 02:34:11 <bradfa_> Wewoka, if you don't get a response here, also ask on the mailing list (google group).  Worth searching there, too, there's been CAN talk some times
Jun 13 02:34:42 <bradfa_> mrpackethead, you're in NZ?
Jun 13 02:34:45 <Wewoka> Specifically, has anyone currently online used a CAN cape with a Beagle Bone black board?
Jun 13 02:34:48 <ptl> I want to replicate the exact same development environment that comes in ångström in my beaglebone black ubuntu installation (on sdcard). what should I do?
Jun 13 02:35:28 <bradfa_> ptl, see https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts
Jun 13 02:35:55 <bradfa_> ptl, er, wait, what exactly do you want?
Jun 13 02:36:44 <ptl> that bonescript environment, alongside with the cloud9 ide, working the same as in angstrom
Jun 13 02:36:55 <ptl> with the same examples also
Jun 13 02:37:08 <ptl> but in ubuntu
Jun 13 02:38:13 <bradfa_> ptl, ubuntu on your desktop/laptop or on a bone?
Jun 13 02:38:39 <ptl> on a bone
Jun 13 02:39:26 <ptl> I mounted the eMMC partition as read-only from ubuntu; if something needs to be copied, I'm able to do it.
Jun 13 02:39:41 <ptl> I'm also apt-getting nodejs
Jun 13 02:39:54 <ptl> and I git-cloned bonescript
Jun 13 02:40:33 <bradfa_> ptl, I'm no bonescript expert, jkridner might be able to help though
Jun 13 02:40:46 <ptl> I don't know where that introductory page about beaglebone comes from
Jun 13 02:41:17 <ptl> (in angstrom... it seems apache is not running)
Jun 13 02:41:49 <bradfa_> ptl, sorry, I've not had much experience with the stock image
Jun 13 02:42:08 <ptl> k
Jun 13 02:42:39 <bradfa_> if you haven't, try asking the mailing list (or searching first) or just ask what you want here and be patient
Jun 13 02:42:53 <ptl> hmmm
Jun 13 02:42:55 <bradfa_> most people are alseep right now
Jun 13 02:43:08 <ptl> I didn't know of a mailing list. I'll subscribe to it. thanks
Jun 13 02:43:10 <mastiff> bradfa: my dog puked a few minutes ago.  Thought you'd like to know
Jun 13 02:43:22 <bradfa_> mastiff, take a picture! put on g+
Jun 13 02:43:25 <bradfa_> mention mranostay
Jun 13 02:43:31 <mastiff> he ate it already
Jun 13 02:43:31 <bradfa_> make it fuzzy picture!
Jun 13 02:43:37 <bradfa_> ah, shucks
Jun 13 02:43:49 <mastiff> fed him fried chicken that was too hot
Jun 13 02:43:53 <bradfa_> ha!
Jun 13 02:44:22 <mranostay> i hate you all
Jun 13 02:44:30 <bradfa_> mranostay, we love you!
Jun 13 02:44:43 <emeb_mac> mranostay the misanthrope
Jun 13 02:44:51 <mastiff> we love your dance moves
Jun 13 02:45:05 <bradfa_> harlem shake?
Jun 13 02:45:23 <mastiff> yup or electric bugaloo
Jun 13 02:45:34 * bradfa_ thinks it's time for bed
Jun 13 02:45:39 <bradfa_> ttyl, channel!
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