**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 13 02:59:59 2013 Jun 13 03:11:57 bradfa, exactly, maybe the trolls are all out preparing for the weekend ( getting drunk) Jun 13 03:12:16 and yeah lol ive been disconnected for two hours so that looked like (initially ) like you had just said that Jun 13 03:12:59 * m_billybob goes back to warping wordpress to his will Jun 13 03:15:01 m_billybob: turns out the bluetooth kernel panic is a known issue with the lousy cambridge adapters, not BBB specific at all. Jun 13 03:15:21 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/82928 Jun 13 03:15:59 Switched to a targus adapter and now I've got streaming sensor data from arduino ttl bluetooth to the BBB. Jun 13 03:34:18 bradfa: i am in NZ Jun 13 03:36:09 mastiff could be as simple as a missing kernel module. Jun 13 03:36:26 dont know though and honestly at this poitn in time dont care Jun 13 03:36:49 we paid less than $8 for 4 of them Jun 13 03:52:12 Yeah I don't care to mess with them anymore, better off paying a little more and not wasting time on cheap ones. Jun 13 04:39:01 av500: !!! Jun 13 04:39:39 ??? Jun 13 04:40:12 ^^^ Jun 13 04:40:18 ⸘⸘⸘ Jun 13 04:41:26 Hmmm Jun 13 04:42:33 ds2: you broke the sequence! Jun 13 04:43:18 depends on how you look at it Jun 13 04:46:05 hi woglinde !!! Jun 13 04:54:08 oh, nice, I didn't know there was an upside down interrobang Jun 13 04:57:12 dm8tbr: er what? Jun 13 04:57:28 * mranostay sips a Loser beer Jun 13 05:12:49 dm8tbr: technically, it's called the 'gnaborretni'. Jun 13 05:13:08 ah, now I remember, yes Jun 13 05:13:38 I meant that in a friendly way, not as a cheap put down. apologies for poor tone. Jun 13 05:17:56 BEER! Jun 13 05:20:06 nah, really, thanks for reminding me Jun 13 05:32:18 a wonder-beer-full JIHAD mourning everyone! Jun 13 05:32:38 f**k yeah Jun 13 05:32:44 may the punctuations be with you :) Jun 13 05:32:53 * m_billybob passes a mug of JIHAD to KotH Jun 13 05:33:00 mranostay: you can spell "fuck" here. i dont mind Jun 13 05:33:03 ;) Jun 13 05:34:09 * mranostay dips chocolate in his beer Jun 13 05:34:42 * m_billybob dunks an intel chip in his beer and watches s the pretty blue smoke escapes Jun 13 05:34:57 * KotH calls O.A.D.S to teliver one of their "items" to mranostay Jun 13 05:35:04 m_billybob: hey that was uncalled for! Jun 13 05:35:17 aw, it was a PII ;) Jun 13 05:35:46 mranostay: if you ever stumble accross a pentium pro, i want one of those :) Jun 13 05:36:04 I actually do have a system here with a PII in it. has debian sarge on it from when sarge was still "testing" Jun 13 05:36:08 i think one is hanging on the wall Jun 13 05:36:27 * mranostay is not kidding Jun 13 05:36:32 take it! bring it to elce! Jun 13 05:36:55 you'll get chocolate! and if it has to, with beer too Jun 13 05:37:02 sure i totally wouldn't be fired one the spot for that Jun 13 05:37:07 what do you want with a PPro ? Jun 13 05:37:09 ebay it you asshole :) Jun 13 05:37:20 nah... to expensive! Jun 13 05:37:22 :) Jun 13 05:37:33 m_billybob: for my collection :) Jun 13 05:37:43 gtg... work is calling Jun 13 05:37:54 I do have fond memories of a P55 MMX233 Jun 13 05:38:05 first processor I overclocked Jun 13 05:38:23 old people Jun 13 05:38:38 i think my first real computer was Pentium 2 Jun 13 05:38:43 bout to fire up msp430 serial debugger. Jun 13 05:38:46 hey it boosted my FPS in quake2 by 7FPS :P Jun 13 05:39:23 put work on hold Jun 13 05:39:45 ye olde apple //c Jun 13 05:39:49 mastiff you followed my quick rundown ? Jun 13 05:40:01 yeah very clear instructions Jun 13 05:40:20 no home brewed Z80's? Jun 13 05:40:49 just waiting for energia to finish downloading, that site is sloooow Jun 13 05:40:53 bitbang a 4004 on the PRU Jun 13 05:41:02 mastiff, well thatwas the aim. I hate nothign worse than exact steps that wander all over the place. Jun 13 05:41:36 although those do wander in one spot, i need to corect it Jun 13 05:41:46 I should mention editing uEnv.txt first Jun 13 05:41:47 patter of tiny steps Jun 13 05:42:16 exact dub-steps? Jun 13 05:43:27 exact reese's peanutbutter cup steps Jun 13 05:44:13 * m_billybob nom nom's Jun 13 05:44:22 yeah thats right old ferts can be random too Jun 13 05:47:13 dm8tbr: dance with me! Jun 13 05:47:50 personal space! Jun 13 05:47:56 mranostay: ballroom? standard? latin? salsa? Jun 13 05:48:05 pogo Jun 13 05:48:21 wtf is this " 35.965086] systemd[1]: avahi-daemon.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start." Jun 13 05:48:40 that's what she said Jun 13 05:49:17 byte me Jun 13 05:49:36 * dm8tbr prefers bits and nibbles Jun 13 05:49:48 two things requested it to start at almost the same time? Jun 13 05:50:29 ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww systemd Jun 13 05:53:51 ds2: blame koen Jun 13 06:03:05 I already am ;) Jun 13 06:22:04 <_Sy_> Hello Jun 13 06:22:14 olleH Jun 13 06:24:30 * mranostay cuts off KotH Jun 13 06:24:33 er ka6sox Jun 13 06:25:48 cut me off from what? Jun 13 06:28:56 ka6sox: typing words backwards is something Jun 13 06:30:29 yatsonarm Jun 13 06:33:49 45 Jun 13 07:19:54 45 = 62 + 62 Jun 13 07:20:16 yikes - that's not even wrong Jun 13 07:21:32 morning Jun 13 07:21:35 aren't we up late Jun 13 07:21:48 ummm... define late? Jun 13 07:23:44 beyond 2359? Jun 13 07:23:53 late is when you pull the trick at the very last moment Jun 13 07:25:29 big late fakie ftw Jun 13 07:32:51 ....I got stuck into the FTDI mire. I dismantled a USB mouse I have..... Jun 13 07:38:45 Anyone have data sheet for the lcd on the LCD7 cape? Jun 13 07:38:59 a data sheet Jun 13 09:18:55 what kind of usb do i need to program the beagleboard -xm Jun 13 09:21:23 ? Jun 13 09:21:26 none Jun 13 09:21:55 cheap one Jun 13 09:25:24 do i need a mini usb to usb ? Jun 13 09:25:29 or just regular usb-usb Jun 13 09:25:56 for what? Jun 13 09:26:02 you do not *need* it Jun 13 09:26:08 to install ubuntu Jun 13 09:26:17 no need for USB Jun 13 09:26:24 ok thanks Jun 13 09:26:25 you need an SD card Jun 13 09:26:53 oh yeah so just write the image to sd card and a 5v poewr source Jun 13 09:31:34 yes Jun 13 09:34:34 "People either love systemd or hate it, or both" Jun 13 09:34:57 more like all hate it, but can't find some of it's features elsewhere Jun 13 09:35:13 +1 Jun 13 09:35:24 what I do hate about it is the insanely bogus configuration via random .ini like files everywhere Jun 13 09:35:27 Sometimes it's a good thing (journalctl) Jun 13 09:35:41 sometimes it's a bad thing (journalctl) Jun 13 09:35:50 I mean, it's a good thing that you can't find that elsewhere Jun 13 09:35:53 Because it's fucking annoying Jun 13 09:37:07 panto the problem with systemd is the poor code review Jun 13 09:38:43 woglinde, the problem with systemd lies with an arrogant developer Jun 13 09:39:01 obviously not arrogant enough Jun 13 09:39:20 hey, I'm arrogant, but not even at 10% of that guy Jun 13 09:40:19 you mean Lennart? Jun 13 09:40:23 yes Jun 13 09:40:42 give him a break, he just knows better(tm) Jun 13 09:41:10 the problem with Linux is that user space has no Linus Jun 13 09:41:53 av500, +1 Jun 13 09:42:02 well, git is userspace ;) Jun 13 09:42:11 compare linux kernel space with userspace and despair Jun 13 09:42:13 Andy Rubin did a good job of being a userspace Linus ;) Jun 13 09:42:22 indeed Jun 13 09:42:24 I wouldn't like git to be my initd though ;) Jun 13 09:42:25 so did sjobs Jun 13 09:42:28 unfortunately the good developer always gravitate to the kernel Jun 13 09:42:55 <_Sy_> The little I know of systemd, I found the documentation a bit overwhealming but when you get down to it, quite straight forward. Jun 13 09:42:57 panto: they always end up implementing email, then they go to the kernel Jun 13 09:43:06 lol Jun 13 09:43:09 or emacs Jun 13 09:44:03 for our media player, we did our own app stack all in house until we addede email Jun 13 09:44:15 then we switched to android :) Jun 13 09:44:21 hehe Jun 13 09:44:31 so you switched one set of problems with others :) Jun 13 09:45:01 we underestimated email Jun 13 09:45:05 like everybody does :) Jun 13 09:46:02 oh yeah Jun 13 09:46:06 mail is _important_ Jun 13 09:46:55 panto: btw, do you get more work done now that they switch off TV at nights? Jun 13 09:47:01 av500, lol Jun 13 09:47:30 yeah, we only have the public TV channels, so now we have nothing to look at while we ride our goats to work Jun 13 09:48:02 you still have goats? Jun 13 09:48:15 you cant be doing that badly then Jun 13 09:48:26 goats for submarines? fair deal? Jun 13 09:48:50 a friend here has a goat herd :) Jun 13 09:51:32 seriously, closing down a state corp is like a dream come true Jun 13 09:51:54 makes it even better with the tears of the leftist nuts Jun 13 09:54:08 damn, CC3000 cape is $35 Jun 13 09:54:16 oh? Jun 13 09:54:18 link? Jun 13 09:54:37 http://dangerousprototypes.com/2013/06/13/ti-cc3000-launchpad-wifi-shield/ Jun 13 09:54:55 I have a CC3000 module Jun 13 09:55:03 but nothing to solder it on Jun 13 09:56:34 man too many projects Jun 13 09:56:46 yes Jun 13 09:57:04 I'd like the CC300 with the M4 inside Jun 13 09:57:10 but it will come "later" Jun 13 09:57:44 is BBB PSU connector 2.1 or 2.5 mm? Jun 13 09:58:59 hm even google glass did not save the omap Jun 13 09:59:51 woglinde, $DEITY couldn't save omap the way things turned out Jun 13 10:00:09 av500: 2.1 I believe, this is the PSU I always buy: http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0911/0900766b80911b99.pdf Jun 13 10:00:33 yeah Jun 13 10:01:15 hmm, rpi or CC3000 :) Jun 13 10:06:16 whos Fredrick? Jun 13 10:23:16 I've suddenly seen an influx of AM335x patches appearing on the kernel lists, is there a TI push going on, or just coincidence? Jun 13 10:24:17 jackmitchell, it's about time Jun 13 10:24:26 whether they work, that's another matter Jun 13 10:24:37 heh Jun 13 10:24:49 I saw your tsc work has just gone in Jun 13 10:25:16 *(joint) tsc work Jun 13 10:27:30 yeah Jun 13 10:27:44 we're slowly trying to hop back on the mainline train Jun 13 10:27:55 but we need to fix a few things first Jun 13 10:29:39 is there a TODO list, or anything I can help with; I've been thinking about jumping to mainline for a while now; or is it just bureaucracy and going through the motions? Jun 13 10:37:23 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/O-j78g Jun 13 10:37:24 kernel/3.8 f52c6b8 Koen Kooi: 3.8: LCD7 and LCD3 fixes... Jun 13 10:38:50 Does the Black really have HDMI? the website says so, but I don't see the connector? Jun 13 10:39:17 arbitraryuser: yes, it's a mini-hdmi connector Jun 13 10:39:21 micro Jun 13 10:39:31 * jackmitchell corrected ;) Jun 13 10:40:47 http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/04/24/bbb.jpg <- front center under PCB ? Jun 13 10:42:02 arbitraryuser: yes, beneath the big USB plug Jun 13 10:42:36 koen: thanks. Jun 13 10:42:58 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/_WcBug Jun 13 10:42:58 kernel/3.8 bd8cdc9 Koen Kooi: 3.8: more LCD timing fixes... Jun 13 10:43:10 Then, next question, if I don't need a lot of CPU, but power consumption is my biggest concern, should I go with the Bone or Black? Jun 13 10:45:34 black is cheaper Jun 13 10:45:56 koen: HDMI frame is always on? Jun 13 10:45:58 black has more jihad Jun 13 10:45:59 framer* Jun 13 10:46:14 av500, it should be powered down Jun 13 10:46:28 but we haven't really looked into these things very carefully Jun 13 10:46:39 the bone is not a power optimized design however Jun 13 10:46:56 it's pretty good but it's not designed explicitly for it Jun 13 10:47:33 anyway, have to go out to rework some boards Jun 13 10:47:36 bbl Jun 13 10:47:43 av500: not sure if we can turn the LDO off safely Jun 13 10:47:44 out? Jun 13 10:47:51 you do rework outside? Jun 13 10:47:56 that reminds me Jun 13 10:47:56 with an axe? Jun 13 10:48:01 I need to rework them as well Jun 13 10:48:07 Blowtorch ;) Jun 13 10:48:08 av500, I'm a terror with a soldering iron Jun 13 10:48:18 Flamethrowers work faster. Jun 13 10:48:19 koen: with your wooden shoe? Jun 13 10:48:25 you don't want me doing soldering of fine pitched componentes Jun 13 10:48:28 *components Jun 13 10:48:38 ok, later trolls Jun 13 10:49:27 If I want to do stuff with 2 GSM modems (via USB) (and I don't care for GUIs) - Which distro should my base be? Jun 13 10:50:21 arbitraryuser: whichever you're most comfortable with Jun 13 10:50:28 arbitraryuser: find out which software you want to use for the modems, then look at a distro that has that sw Jun 13 10:50:31 ubuntu is my homeland. Jun 13 10:51:06 in that case, try debian Jun 13 10:51:38 is that the holy land? Jun 13 10:51:42 Then lastly, I can't get Blacks (RS out of stock) so if I use a Bone, will migrating all my code to the Black later be painless? Jun 13 10:51:55 Debian is old testament Jun 13 10:52:12 arbitraryuser O.O Jun 13 10:52:12 I thought that was slackware Jun 13 10:52:17 av500: not religious, just where I'm comfortable. Jun 13 10:52:17 and ubuntu is the book of revelations Jun 13 10:52:24 arbitraryuser there is no change in userland Jun 13 10:52:42 woglinde: swap the SD card and boot? Jun 13 10:52:43 userland changes you Jun 13 10:52:51 slackware is the paganism book of shadows Jun 13 10:52:59 arbitraryuser you talked about your code Jun 13 10:53:15 of course you need a new kernel Jun 13 10:53:16 and yggdrasil is (of course) the old norse religion Jun 13 10:53:19 woglinde: well, this is a new question then ;) Jun 13 10:53:20 and boot utils Jun 13 10:53:23 Ah, ok. Jun 13 10:53:35 And the GPIO referencing also changes I assume. Jun 13 10:53:52 yes but you talked about gsm modems via usb Jun 13 10:53:55 USB is on the same GPIOs Jun 13 10:54:09 usb protocol does not change Jun 13 10:54:31 I have other stuff going on via GPIO Jun 13 10:54:36 watchdogs etc. Jun 13 10:54:48 arbitraryuser: well, some GPIOs are different Jun 13 10:54:52 see the SRMs Jun 13 10:55:13 yeah, I need to read a LOT more... just making sure I wasn't setting myself up for a world of pain. Jun 13 10:55:31 no pain, no fun Jun 13 10:55:36 so you should think about a good sw-architecture Jun 13 10:55:59 objects Jun 13 10:56:00 modules Jun 13 10:56:04 weak coupling Jun 13 10:56:06 I've heard people say that Beagle's USB is a lot better than RPI's... Obviously most people in here are biased, but does anyone have any first hand experience with running lots of devices on the USB chain ? Jun 13 10:56:09 tdd Jun 13 10:56:10 I would prefer haskell Jun 13 10:56:11 haha Jun 13 10:56:31 arbitraryuser: define lots? Jun 13 10:56:32 Lots as in >20 Jun 13 10:56:36 no idea Jun 13 10:56:37 == 24 Jun 13 10:56:39 more than 1? Jun 13 10:56:42 my hub goes only up to 7 Jun 13 10:56:55 also, what devices? Jun 13 10:56:59 * mru wants a hub that goes to 11 Jun 13 10:57:01 I guess it runs 20 usb mice fine Jun 13 10:57:13 mru: there was a 20something hub or so Jun 13 10:57:14 three blind mice Jun 13 10:57:14 3G dongles; ) Jun 13 10:57:19 24? Jun 13 10:57:23 hm how would xorg scope with 20 mice Jun 13 10:57:31 it copes with 2 Jun 13 10:57:45 hint: it is still only 1 pointer Jun 13 10:57:52 mousefight Jun 13 10:58:06 2 mice, 2 keyboards here Jun 13 10:58:44 Hey all. I've had a BB white for sometime, with Ubuntu 12.04 from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/quantal/. I've just received my BBB - but I don't appear to be able to boot the same SD off of it. Jun 13 10:58:54 true Jun 13 11:00:57 narcos why do you think this would work? Jun 13 11:02:15 woglinde: My assusmption was the boards are similar, but doing some Googling it seems we can't boot off SD cards on the Black - we can just flash the onboard Jun 13 11:02:39 no Jun 13 11:02:44 you can also boot from SD Jun 13 11:02:53 with a recent bootloader and kernel Jun 13 11:02:56 one that knows the board Jun 13 11:03:26 note that if the board comes with something in the emmc, you need to press the user button to boot from sd Jun 13 11:04:19 Just got it in the post from eBay. It boots to ?ngstr?m without my SD card, and hangs with it in Jun 13 11:04:33 yes Jun 13 11:04:37 expected behaviour Jun 13 11:04:45 its kind of a bug Jun 13 11:04:55 press the user button when powering up Jun 13 11:05:10 or boot into angstrom once and kill MLO on the emmc Jun 13 11:05:30 Ahh Jun 13 11:05:36 Should I be able to SSH in ? Jun 13 11:05:40 yes Jun 13 11:05:50 22 is marked as open, but I can't SSH in. I can access a webserver on 80 though Jun 13 11:05:53 there is even a webbased ssh Jun 13 11:06:02 sometimes it works Jun 13 11:06:08 heh Jun 13 11:06:09 ssh didn't work on my pre installed image Jun 13 11:06:28 Erk Jun 13 11:06:37 or press the button Jun 13 11:06:41 to boot from sd Jun 13 11:06:49 then kill MLO with the OS of your choice Jun 13 11:06:49 what are the benefits of ångström over other distros? Jun 13 11:07:00 What's an MLO ? Jun 13 11:07:18 nvm, reading the faq Jun 13 11:07:20 azk smaller Jun 13 11:07:24 azk: koen compatible OS Jun 13 11:07:34 you do need all desktop dep stuff Jun 13 11:07:34 hah Jun 13 11:07:52 gm ogra Jun 13 11:07:52 azk: you are allowed to mention it here Jun 13 11:07:59 hey woglinde Jun 13 11:08:05 also, it has systemd Jun 13 11:08:06 Mmc LOader, hmm, now what's taht Jun 13 11:08:14 * XorA has found a pile of beagles hidden on his desk Jun 13 11:08:15 the boot loader Jun 13 11:08:17 ogra hm I did not had time for linuxtag Jun 13 11:08:24 so you spared the beer Jun 13 11:08:28 woglinde, same here Jun 13 11:08:30 av500: we love systemd, I'm just wondering why I should use it over archARM Jun 13 11:08:37 * ogra_ is drowning in phone crap Jun 13 11:08:37 ogra ah okay Jun 13 11:08:44 ogra you choosed it Jun 13 11:08:48 yeah Jun 13 11:08:51 azk: you dont have to Jun 13 11:08:57 Linux is all about choice Jun 13 11:08:58 and i love it ... but it keeps me really busy Jun 13 11:09:01 (tm) Jun 13 11:09:11 ogra drop me a note when you will be here again Jun 13 11:09:13 what do archARM and systemd have in common, other than archARM uses systemd? Jun 13 11:09:21 woglinde, will do ... Jun 13 11:09:22 o.O Jun 13 11:09:31 jackmitchell: it in that sentence is ångströmlinux Jun 13 11:09:53 * narcos tries the holding down the button approach Jun 13 11:10:03 at poweron, reboot does not count Jun 13 11:10:10 that still makes no sense, systemd is a boot manager, angstrom linux and archlinux arm are linux distributions Jun 13 11:10:15 no Jun 13 11:10:19 lol Jun 13 11:10:22 systemd is not a boot manager Jun 13 11:10:28 linux distros use init Jun 13 11:10:28 its an everything manager Jun 13 11:10:35 systemd is init Jun 13 11:10:45 systemd is in it Jun 13 11:10:47 (a very blloated init) Jun 13 11:10:52 there, fixed it foryou Jun 13 11:10:57 haha Jun 13 11:11:10 and in case of ubuntu, systemd is out it Jun 13 11:11:12 jackmitchell: I'm used to archARM, bbb comes with ångström. trying to do pros cons Jun 13 11:11:25 be 51% sure Jun 13 11:11:27 not really ... we use udev and logind from it Jun 13 11:11:34 well, both angstrom and archlinux arm use the systemd _system_ manager Jun 13 11:11:43 (i think debian does the same atm) Jun 13 11:11:48 that better, you pesky nit pickers Jun 13 11:12:11 it's a system fucker-upper Jun 13 11:12:21 jackmitchell, well, you fell for marketing babbling .... Jun 13 11:12:41 Hmm, not booting from the SD. I suspect my BBW image may not be compatable? Jun 13 11:12:53 maybe Jun 13 11:13:54 same card works in BBW? Jun 13 11:14:24 yeah Jun 13 11:14:41 From this image - http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/quantal/ubuntu-12.10-console-armhf-2013-04-26.tar.xz Jun 13 11:15:02 Do I hold down the button before giving power? Keep it held down? Jun 13 11:16:07 ogra_: I wouldn't say I fell for anything; but I'll admit I do generally think of systemd as mainly managing my services at boot Jun 13 11:16:30 What Ubuntu image do you guys use? Google's led me to http://www.armhf.com/index.php/download/ Jun 13 11:16:40 if you use it, you fell in the trap Jun 13 11:16:53 what is an armhf device? Jun 13 11:17:02 high frequency? Jun 13 11:17:10 heh; I like it; therefore I use it Jun 13 11:17:22 as stated, you fell for it Jun 13 11:18:17 narcos: hold it down at powerup Jun 13 11:18:21 you can release it now Jun 13 11:18:55 release the kraken Jun 13 11:19:36 nope Jun 13 11:21:44 quoteday? :p < av500> the problem with Linux is that user space has no Linus < suihkulokki> Andy Rubin did a good job of being a userspace Linus Jun 13 11:33:55 android 5 will have 3.8, we picked the right kernel! Jun 13 11:34:41 hmm? Jun 13 11:35:02 oh, I thought, that they would avoid using odd numbers Jun 13 11:35:23 I've expected A6 :p Jun 13 11:35:34 why? Jun 13 11:35:40 just because 3 was special? Jun 13 11:36:21 we dont talk about 3 Jun 13 11:38:06 question is, will 5.0 use DT or fex Jun 13 11:38:14 LOL Jun 13 11:38:29 depends what allwinner pays google i'd guess Jun 13 11:38:33 in terms of SoC volumes, fex might be the better idea Jun 13 11:46:02 and with only chinese backdoors Jun 13 11:49:09 arent these used via prism ? Jun 13 11:50:46 if they renewed their license, then probably yes Jun 13 11:56:37 hmm, does github have rss? Jun 13 11:57:31 ah has Jun 13 11:59:36 av500 ye Jun 13 11:59:37 s Jun 13 12:02:52 is there an rss feed for prism? Jun 13 12:06:56 yes, yoou need to provide your NSA ID to access it though Jun 13 12:08:43 that is why google killed reader Jun 13 12:12:14 btw, gtalk xmpp federation is still on Jun 13 12:14:30 mru: yeah, but only works if on the google side the user connects by XMPP (including gmail xmpp widget). If Hangout app or g+ hangout widget, then you can't easily message. Jun 13 12:14:58 people use those? Jun 13 12:16:09 speaking of hangouts, does anyone know what _exactly_ the green underline on people in the sidebar means? Jun 13 12:16:39 there's some correlation with them showing as present (not away) over xmpp Jun 13 12:16:40 the latter for sure don't show external contacts Jun 13 12:16:58 yeah, that was also my impression, some sort of availability thing Jun 13 12:17:17 yes, but I can't for the life of me work out what triggers it Jun 13 12:17:25 "online" Jun 13 12:17:40 not that simple Jun 13 12:17:54 I can have conversations with people over xmpp while they're not greenlined Jun 13 12:18:01 color = rand(255); Jun 13 12:18:12 http://lis.luther.edu/blog/20130517/new-google-hangouts Jun 13 12:18:18 mru: ^^^ Jun 13 12:18:21 also the selection of people in the sidebar is weird Jun 13 12:18:22 on desktop Jun 13 12:18:28 mru: that is true Jun 13 12:18:38 I had to block my CEO because he was there all the time Jun 13 12:18:43 hitlist (tm) Jun 13 12:18:46 not that he uses g+ Jun 13 12:18:47 oh, and it's not consistent with who's dimmed in the mobile app either Jun 13 12:18:49 ynezz: yes Jun 13 12:19:44 and the dimming is stupid btw Jun 13 12:19:59 with the quality of photos people use, it's impossible to know Jun 13 12:20:47 how am I supposed to stalk people properly with all this conflicting info? Jun 13 12:20:47 you've to use right glasses Jun 13 12:20:48 I think g stuff is designed by blind people Jun 13 12:21:14 in the new g+ app, the contrast between a seen notification and a new one is tiny Jun 13 12:21:28 mru: the old skewl way with binoculars outside their windows Jun 13 12:21:46 sometimes text is bold Jun 13 12:21:53 that seems to indicate 'unseen' activity Jun 13 12:22:18 and mobile notifications are erratic Jun 13 12:29:22 XorA: but that requires line of sight Jun 13 12:30:28 or mirrors Jun 13 12:31:40 keeping them aligned might get tricky Jun 13 12:31:53 hmm, network of mirror-carrying drones Jun 13 12:35:50 Right, so I've written a new image from http://www.armhf.com/index.php/download/ Jun 13 12:36:28 argh...i'm doomed! Jun 13 12:36:36 hi koth Jun 13 12:36:37 KotH: we all are Jun 13 12:36:38 people want to hire me for work on openembeded! Jun 13 12:36:47 and gstreamer! Jun 13 12:36:48 doomed? Jun 13 12:36:51 \o/ Jun 13 12:36:56 koth who? Jun 13 12:36:57 KotH: what now? Jun 13 12:37:00 KotH: I hope python doesn't make your eyes bleed as is does to me Jun 13 12:37:15 koen do not look at php Jun 13 12:37:34 koen: bleed? i'm a perl guy, my eyes will explode Jun 13 12:37:40 woglinde: I figured out a way to handle PHP in uni Jun 13 12:37:43 woglinde: get drunk Jun 13 12:37:55 KotH: heh, Linaro by any chance? Jun 13 12:38:05 yeah, sounds awfully familiar Jun 13 12:38:08 nah.. ex-boss who went freelancer Jun 13 12:38:25 jackmitchell hm linaro does not make gstreamer Jun 13 12:38:30 I was speaking to Linaro recently, and they were interested in hiring me for OpenEmbedded and GStreamer Jun 13 12:38:30 Hot, that worked, and I didn't have to hold down the boot button thing. Jun 13 12:38:39 jackmitchell uhm really? Jun 13 12:38:44 woglinde: linaro does not make gst, but some of its members use it Jun 13 12:38:46 yup Jun 13 12:38:52 but we have now 1.0 recipes Jun 13 12:38:59 so I wonder Jun 13 12:39:15 what they will do in this area Jun 13 12:39:21 jackmitchell: touchy subject, yocto folks like to behave like all layers that aren't called 'oe-core' or 'poky' have cooties Jun 13 12:39:29 jackmitchell: hence the abysmal gstreamer recipes Jun 13 12:39:33 cooties? Jun 13 12:40:00 ah.. Jun 13 12:40:04 :) Jun 13 12:40:12 my english vocabulary is still lacking Jun 13 12:40:14 ^^' Jun 13 12:40:16 linus used the term recently so now everyone has to follow suit Jun 13 12:40:31 ah.. that explains a couple of things Jun 13 12:40:42 koen: you damn hipster! ;) Jun 13 12:40:50 cooties is a good word to have in your vocabulary Jun 13 12:41:02 to be honest, I hadn't noticed linus using it :) Jun 13 12:41:13 lol Jun 13 12:41:16 I had always imagined it would have a K Jun 13 12:41:23 https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/EEKfUuC4VYq Jun 13 12:41:30 jackmitchell: but you're from the UK, no? Jun 13 12:41:35 I suppose, being Biritsh, I can just use the K version and call righteousness Jun 13 12:41:43 ;) Jun 13 12:41:55 we have that privilege here Jun 13 12:42:35 your cooties have Kooties Jun 13 12:42:48 is it friday already? Jun 13 12:42:54 close enough Jun 13 12:43:06 I can declare an emergency friday if needed Jun 13 12:43:20 declare sun Jun 13 12:43:28 nah Jun 13 12:43:35 yes, sun please Jun 13 12:43:41 i'm not oracle Jun 13 12:44:11 * koen is way too tired to keep track of the days this week Jun 13 12:44:13 soleil pls Jun 13 12:44:33 beacoup de soleil! Jun 13 12:44:43 coup de soliel Jun 13 12:44:53 french is such a weird language Jun 13 12:45:48 which one you mean? Jun 13 12:46:19 which french? Jun 13 12:46:59 Coupe de Ville Jun 13 12:47:20 mru: one before jihad or after Jun 13 12:47:55 does anyone know the LOADADDR of the beaglebone off hand, and also; does the beaglebone boot mainline with omap2plus_defconfig? Jun 13 12:48:14 3.10-rc4 to be more specific Jun 13 12:48:19 make LOADADDR=0x80008000 uImage Jun 13 12:48:44 make LOADADDR=0x54005400 uImage Jun 13 12:48:50 CC PIN number? Jun 13 12:49:11 0x26265400 ? Jun 13 12:49:16 is are you using LE? Jun 13 12:49:23 I is am! Jun 13 12:49:53 nope, LG Jun 13 12:50:19 jackmitchell: panto booted 3.10rc on bone, not sure which config Jun 13 12:50:38 jackmitchell: but omap2plus_defconfig has horrible flaws, I really need to send a patch to address those Jun 13 12:50:46 horrible name Jun 13 12:50:48 jackmitchell: unless ramdisk + serial is all you'll ever need Jun 13 12:51:31 yeah; I had heard that the omap2plus was carp Jun 13 12:52:33 salmon's good, too Jun 13 12:53:10 careful bradfa; we don't want a wet fish slapping fight Jun 13 12:53:15 blurry salmon? Jun 13 12:53:22 minnow fight? Jun 13 12:53:25 fuzzy, av500, fuzzy Jun 13 12:53:35 mranostay, where are you when I need you?!?! Jun 13 12:53:37 * mru slaps bradfa with a fuzzy trout Jun 13 12:53:44 * bradfa smells worse now! Jun 13 12:53:52 gm radfa Jun 13 12:53:59 uhm bradfa Jun 13 12:54:01 gm glindewog Jun 13 12:54:18 radfa: bradfas radical twin Jun 13 12:54:33 * bradfa needs to get coffee to stuff in face, bbl Jun 13 12:54:41 abracabradfa Jun 13 12:54:47 and he was gone Jun 13 12:55:31 JIHAD! Jun 13 12:55:43 iHAD Jun 13 12:56:02 quick, bradfa, run! you're radical brothers here to convince you systemd is awesome Jun 13 12:56:23 LCD7 timings are still not 100% correct, even after the latest patches Jun 13 12:56:42 only 90% showing on the screen? Jun 13 12:56:57 it's one line off to the top Jun 13 12:57:01 CHOCOLATE! Jun 13 12:57:06 good enough Jun 13 12:57:27 gonna ask panto later about it Jun 13 12:59:04 there are different values for the S9700RTWV35TR display in drivers/video/omap2/displays/panel-generic-dpi.c and DT Jun 13 13:12:50 jackmitchell, I'm hating systemd less and less Jun 13 13:13:06 quick, someone call a doctor! Jun 13 13:13:06 50% left? Jun 13 13:13:10 I quite like it; but prepare the rath of mru Jun 13 13:13:18 mrath Jun 13 13:13:40 I've already been warned once today :) Jun 13 13:14:50 I wouldn't say I like it yet, though Jun 13 13:15:08 keep it that way Jun 13 13:16:05 change for change sake seems wasted effort, if boot speed was a problem I didn't see it, I have basically the same boot speed on Arch as I did on Debian Squeeze Jun 13 13:16:07 bradfa, if your build service hands you an upstart-based nano rootfs..it's amazing how nice systemd starts looking Jun 13 13:16:20 I'm just sayin' Jun 13 13:16:40 so sysvinit > systemd > upstart Jun 13 13:16:49 yes Jun 13 13:17:04 and I'm starting to think mdev > udev Jun 13 13:17:11 plug and play, pfftt Jun 13 13:17:17 init=/bin/ash > sysvinit Jun 13 13:18:00 if I've learned nothing in the past 2 years, I hate USB Jun 13 13:18:18 bradfa, plug and play sounds very antiquated...reminds me of the ISAPnP stuff that didn't really work Jun 13 13:18:23 COM Port > USB Jun 13 13:18:35 mdp: did you _ever_ see it work? Jun 13 13:18:41 PCIe hotplug, that's OK Jun 13 13:18:54 mru, in academic papers... ;) Jun 13 13:19:01 pcie seems to be somewhat sane Jun 13 13:19:20 bradfa, PCI hotplug..now that worked..coded for it..supported it..saw it with my own eyes Jun 13 13:19:52 mdp, possibly this thunderbolt stuff, but I've not used it yet, but assuming it's pcie on a cable that sounds nice Jun 13 13:19:53 even without the modern serdes-based incarnation Jun 13 13:20:07 pcie on a stick Jun 13 13:20:10 deep fried Jun 13 13:20:22 expresscard is OK Jun 13 13:20:30 expresscard is pcie Jun 13 13:20:32 or usb Jun 13 13:20:36 bradfa, yes, that works on OSX..I've done some small experiments to verify how broken the linux thunderbolt support is (as promised on lkml) Jun 13 13:20:41 mru, yes but only 3.3V power Jun 13 13:20:52 which is limiting Jun 13 13:21:09 bradfa, it works great at poweron though in linux..the apple version of the intel controller, that is Jun 13 13:21:19 mdp, interesting Jun 13 13:21:53 bradfa, the kernel support relies on ACPI for hotplug..apparently it works on PeeCees..but you need to whack the controller on an apple product Jun 13 13:22:16 bradfa, I verified many cycles on osx..so it does work as advertised Jun 13 13:23:14 bradfa, that's the only thing that doesn't work to my liking on the macbook pros Jun 13 13:25:23 mdp, neat Jun 13 13:28:37 most importantly...80 second multi_v7_defconfig build Jun 13 13:29:09 the only thing I don't like about the macbook pro is the macbook pro Jun 13 13:29:37 * bradfa needs a real desktop Jun 13 13:29:51 mdp: *image only or image+modules? Jun 13 13:35:32 koen, good question, image only plus single dtb...that's my developer benchmark Jun 13 13:35:41 I know yours is different Jun 13 13:39:42 * jackmitchell grumbles about omap2plus_defconig; heads off for coffee and doughnuts Jun 13 13:41:24 googleplus_defconfig Jun 13 13:47:29 doubleplus_defconfig? Jun 13 14:04:35 hmm Jun 13 14:04:43 omap2minus_bootingconfig Jun 13 14:04:48 Are any of the beagle + display capes "cheap" and frameable? Jun 13 14:05:12 Thinking picture frame Jun 13 14:05:40 No. Jun 13 14:06:45 can't you get those picture frame thingies for no thing on sale on amazon ? Jun 13 14:07:03 Yeah, but what's the fun in that Jun 13 14:07:07 heh, true Jun 13 14:07:20 and no 3d processor either Jun 13 14:10:48 Tartarus: frame a DVI monitor Jun 13 14:10:59 btw, why are people so crazy about 64bit ARM? Jun 13 14:11:12 didnt we have 64 bits on like MIPS or others? Jun 13 14:11:20 even x86 Jun 13 14:11:30 back Jun 13 14:11:34 because 32-bit x86 is so utterly useless Jun 13 14:11:45 and amd64 is much better Jun 13 14:11:58 people think "64-bit will cure cancer" Jun 13 14:12:03 I think it's because people have linked arm64 with 'Desktop Arm Systems' Jun 13 14:12:07 mdp: yeah, building, stripping, packaging the bone kernel takes ~40 minutes on my rrmbp Jun 13 14:12:29 and that, for some reason gets people excited; or at least people who use openstack Jun 13 14:12:30 mdp: but that's largely due to funneling most IO through pseudo/fakeroot Jun 13 14:12:32 Where can I find the pinctrl hex values for am335x? Jun 13 14:12:46 in the TRM Jun 13 14:12:52 it is full of values Jun 13 14:12:58 mdp: compile only is 6 minutes or so Jun 13 14:13:03 jackmitchell: I have an arm chromebook Jun 13 14:13:09 and I much prefer my intel laptop over that Jun 13 14:13:19 because its not 64bit Jun 13 14:13:22 64! Jun 13 14:13:23 man Jun 13 14:13:29 54-bit Jun 13 14:13:38 arm was once 26-bit, you know Jun 13 14:13:44 I knwo Jun 13 14:13:55 42 bit! Jun 13 14:14:05 Man, the blue LEDs on the BBB are *bright* Jun 13 14:14:16 sure; I don't get why people are excited about it either; but I would assume it's to do with powerful ARM desktop/server systems Jun 13 14:14:17 panto: i've seen your lcd7 timing fixes.. vertical values may still be off Jun 13 14:14:17 I have a 64-bit mips desktop machine Jun 13 14:14:22 koen, I hope you don't opkg-update your kernel too often then ;) Jun 13 14:14:28 and a couple of (64-bit) alphas Jun 13 14:14:38 av500, can you push me in the right direction? Because I looked into it and all I could find having anything to do with the pinctrl were the corrosponding balls on the soc, no actual values I can use for muxing Jun 13 14:15:21 All related material from TI is working with the 'older' 3.2 kernels and not with device trees Jun 13 14:15:41 anyone has the 4.3" LCD btw ? I am quizzified it is a "12:00" LCD (best viewed from above, not from below) Jun 13 14:15:55 I am wondering if I just got a "monday" model or something Jun 13 14:15:58 * Tartarus settles for flickr+boxee box Jun 13 14:16:06 the datasheet says "6:00" for the newhaven display. Jun 13 14:16:30 my av receiver, for some inexplicable reason, has a flickr viewer Jun 13 14:16:38 philenotfound, we're still working on it Jun 13 14:16:49 where do you think they're off Jun 13 14:17:20 teralaser: turn it upside down Jun 13 14:17:27 also makes reading the text easier Jun 13 14:17:30 there, solved it for you Jun 13 14:17:34 panto: I've been looking at trying to build 3.10rc5 for beaglebone today; but I think the omap2plus_defconfig may be completely useless; koen mentioned you had managed to boot it; did it take a lot of work? Or was it just a matter of getting the .config right? Jun 13 14:17:56 av500, the excitement over 64bit is a chance to "redo" everything and "do it right", in so far as some people are concerned I think Jun 13 14:17:59 jackmitchell, it boots but only from ram or nfs Jun 13 14:18:10 Tartarus: right meaning? Jun 13 14:18:11 In this case "do it right" means "copy what works for x86'" Jun 13 14:18:16 ah Jun 13 14:18:21 So closed firmware, ACPI tables Jun 13 14:18:22 and sparc and mips Jun 13 14:18:30 panto: bah, that's no good to me; are mmc patches on the way in anywhere? Jun 13 14:18:31 No, sparc and mips are failures Jun 13 14:18:34 and powerpc Jun 13 14:18:39 that for sure Jun 13 14:18:44 see where it got mdp Jun 13 14:18:54 herding GPU drivers Jun 13 14:18:57 Bitbanging his life away now Jun 13 14:19:04 He just can't admit it yet Jun 13 14:19:12 av500, mdp + Tartarus + I are ppc original devs Jun 13 14:19:13 arm64 is a very nice architecture Jun 13 14:19:25 so watch your mouth :) Jun 13 14:19:42 panto: no point, the talks out of his arse Jun 13 14:19:47 panto: Tartarus called it a failure Jun 13 14:19:49 panto: ah... greeks working on ppc... that explains a lot! Jun 13 14:19:50 ;-> Jun 13 14:19:57 panto: I call it just meh Jun 13 14:20:05 and mips Jun 13 14:20:07 panto: one line too far up Jun 13 14:20:20 hmm, I've pushed some stuff today Jun 13 14:20:24 have you picked that up too? Jun 13 14:20:26 panto: yeah Jun 13 14:20:32 already applied Jun 13 14:20:43 hmm Jun 13 14:20:52 ok, wait until the purple man arrives Jun 13 14:20:54 but it got better, horizontal values seem to be correct now Jun 13 14:21:07 * panto hopes the rework on the bone-blacks went OK Jun 13 14:21:15 what is to rework? Jun 13 14:21:20 I feel like soldering Jun 13 14:21:21 panto: do you have a a data sheet for the lcd? Jun 13 14:22:09 av500, r46, r47, r48 for some boards need to be 0Ohm Jun 13 14:22:28 philenotfound, somewhere maybe Jun 13 14:23:14 I think I have 0 ohm resistors here Jun 13 14:23:57 panto: i'm not sure if the vertical values in the DT are wrong or if it is tilcdc's fault Jun 13 14:24:42 philenotfound, we're busting our b*lls over it too Jun 13 14:24:43 panto: drivers/video/omap2/displays/panel-generic-dpi.c uses different values for the same panel Jun 13 14:24:59 did you try these values? Jun 13 14:25:27 philenotfound, the old driver had a raw register values api so everything was off by one Jun 13 14:26:07 panto: omap3530 did not have enough bits for our sync lengths Jun 13 14:26:16 we had to add a cpld that added 32 to the timing :) Jun 13 14:26:36 so all timing values were 32 off Jun 13 14:26:53 they fixed it in 3730 Jun 13 14:27:28 panto: i've seen that Jun 13 14:27:45 av500, lol Jun 13 14:27:48 you win Jun 13 14:28:07 ok, board #1 works Jun 13 14:28:36 why is the rework needed? Jun 13 14:28:51 signal loading issues with the lcd capes Jun 13 14:29:10 ah Jun 13 14:30:53 btw, being on the friend's company lab today Jun 13 14:31:08 he said he might be interested in producing wifi and vdsl capes Jun 13 14:31:15 if there's any interest for them Jun 13 14:32:21 vdsl? Jun 13 14:32:38 Would there be an advantage to wifi cape over, you know, a USB wifi dongle? Jun 13 14:33:04 not using USB? Jun 13 14:33:04 panto: vdsl? Jun 13 14:33:07 panto: sure! Jun 13 14:33:18 which vdsl variant? Jun 13 14:33:22 greek Jun 13 14:33:25 +1 Jun 13 14:33:32 tirodsl Jun 13 14:33:41 jackmitchell: Sure, but is there a major problem with USB for that? What other bus would you strap it to? Jun 13 14:33:58 modem cape ftw Jun 13 14:35:11 I don't know, SPI? Jun 13 14:35:23 avian carrier cape! Jun 13 14:35:29 yes Jun 13 14:35:31 av500: fixed it in 3530 ES2.0, no? Jun 13 14:35:37 av500: and documented it for ES2.1 Jun 13 14:35:48 it's not going to be very cheap, I think it will be at 90e Jun 13 14:35:54 the wifi cape can be at 20e Jun 13 14:36:31 MORNING!11!! Jun 13 14:36:33 it is going to be really tricky for the vdsl cape, since it needs either MII/RMII/RGMII Jun 13 14:36:39 go home mranostay you're durnk Jun 13 14:36:48 * panto kicks mranostay to wake up Jun 13 14:37:18 IIRC wifi is sdio Jun 13 14:37:55 yes Jun 13 14:37:56 mranostay: BEER! Jun 13 14:37:59 wifi: sdio Jun 13 14:38:02 bt: serial Jun 13 14:38:19 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/171 Jun 13 14:38:23 panto: for me, a pci vdsl board would be good enough :) Jun 13 14:38:42 KotH, not going to happen Jun 13 14:38:46 mru: tenma, arms wide open :) Jun 13 14:38:58 panto: i know Jun 13 14:39:00 all of the chipsets afaikt are full SoCs and only provide an ethernet port Jun 13 14:39:12 panto: that would work too Jun 13 14:39:21 panto: as long as i get raw packets over it Jun 13 14:39:25 but, I think it would be cool to ditch the stupid vendor devices Jun 13 14:39:34 it's amazing the corners they cut Jun 13 14:39:46 yeah, I can barely find a mention of any work towards beaglebone mmc in mainline :/ Jun 13 14:39:57 jackmitchell, welcome to the suck :P Jun 13 14:40:09 you need the edma patches first in Jun 13 14:40:11 and then the rest Jun 13 14:41:06 av500 : Not really, because I need to make a PCB/mechanical enclosure from scratch, and I need to be right ... can't turn it around Jun 13 14:41:22 have we had an edma repost recently? who has picked up mdp's batton? Jun 13 14:41:46 or is it rotting in the vendor tree somewhere? Jun 13 14:42:15 av500, know nanoradio? Jun 13 14:42:59 panto: by looking at your lcd7 patches i noticed you increased vbp, shouldn't that be vsw? At least according to tilcdc code? Jun 13 14:46:01 time to go home and enjoy the sunn... Jun 13 14:46:08 have a nice weekend boys Jun 13 14:46:15 oh, you're the one who stole it Jun 13 14:46:27 KotH, wait what? it's friday? Jun 13 14:46:29 wohoo! Jun 13 14:46:36 we were wondering where it went Jun 13 14:46:38 yeah! it's friday! :) Jun 13 14:46:49 and no work for a whole 4 days! Jun 13 14:47:07 er.. 5 days Jun 13 14:47:32 you lazy bastard Jun 13 14:48:38 KotH: part french? Jun 13 14:49:13 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/59 Jun 13 14:54:57 philenotfound, ugh, yeah, you're right Jun 13 14:55:27 panto: i've increased vsw to 4, now it's pixel accurate Jun 13 14:55:52 but i'm not sure if that's the right value.. without a data sheet.. :-/ Jun 13 14:56:47 philenotfound, care to pastebin your dts? Jun 13 14:59:40 panto: http://pastebin.ca/2397749 Jun 13 14:59:52 philenotfound, ok, thx Jun 13 14:59:53 At least it works for me Jun 13 15:00:10 that's LCD7 rev? Jun 13 15:00:16 A2 Jun 13 15:00:22 But should be the same on all revs Jun 13 15:00:30 as they share the same panel? Jun 13 15:00:56 should i send patches to koen? Jun 13 15:02:33 philenotfound, we're looking at the LCD issues right now Jun 13 15:03:16 panto: argh, the pastebin was wrong.. Jun 13 15:04:51 panto: http://pastebin.ca/2397755 Jun 13 15:05:04 panto: vbp should be 29 Jun 13 15:05:16 ok Jun 13 15:05:40 and vsync len to 4? Jun 13 15:06:09 panto: after reading the source i thought it should be 3, but it was still one line off Jun 13 15:06:23 did you use invert-pxl-clk? Jun 13 15:07:05 panto: no Jun 13 15:07:32 could you try with this set? Jun 13 15:08:12 old da8xx-fb.c had .invert_pxl_clk set to 0 Jun 13 15:08:18 but i can try Jun 13 15:08:21 thx Jun 13 15:26:05 philenotfound, vsw=3, invert-pxl-clk and it's perfect Jun 13 15:26:21 I was just informed that even 3.2 had the display settings wrong Jun 13 15:26:51 * koen should have known better than to copy PSP code for that Jun 13 15:27:52 philenotfound, thx for noticing that Jun 13 15:28:18 panto: nah, i tried with vsw=3 and invert-pxl-clk, still off? Jun 13 15:28:37 it's perfect on my rev3 Jun 13 15:29:01 what do you use to figure out that it's off? Jun 13 15:29:38 i have a picture 800x480 with colored outlines and i use fbv to display it Jun 13 15:29:57 care to post it someplace? Jun 13 15:30:10 * panto only has an LCD7 REV3 Jun 13 15:32:56 http://zankapfel.net/fbtest.png Jun 13 15:33:12 thx Jun 13 15:34:21 i can't see the yellow line on top and the bottom one is 2 rows high Jun 13 15:35:01 philenotfound, are you using angstrom? which package is fbv part of? Jun 13 15:35:16 fbida Jun 13 15:35:19 iirc Jun 13 15:37:23 Hi folks. I am working on an Ubuntu Machine and standard Angstrom distribution on BeagleBoard. I can easily ssh from Ubuntu machine to BB, however I face the problem of 'port 22 not open' when I try to use command like 'scp' on BB. Any suggestions? Jun 13 15:37:37 koen, no Jun 13 15:39:41 panto: hey baldy Jun 13 15:41:23 Tartarus, mdp, did you have to do anything U-boot related to get Davinci DT-boot working and show you something on serial? Jun 13 15:41:40 jackmitchell, I'm turning that series over to joel_ as he's on a team that's FT focused on getting that feature upstream now Jun 13 15:41:55 joel_: so how is the FIT stuff? haven't seen any more trolling on it :) Jun 13 15:42:08 joel_, I never used DT-boot on Davinci as it didn't exist back then ;) Jun 13 15:42:19 philenotfound, nope it's perfect for me Jun 13 15:42:26 let me push Jun 13 15:42:28 before I was rudely interrupted, it wasn't a consideration Jun 13 15:42:37 Priyans: is your ubuntu machine running an ssh server? apt-get install openssh-server (or something like that) Jun 13 15:42:45 mranostay, hehe. rmk not happy at all so that was a dead end. plus with multi-platform kernels, I use zImages now :| Jun 13 15:43:04 you are going to stop at that? Jun 13 15:43:06 hi russell-- yeah, my Ubuntu machine is running an openssh-server. Jun 13 15:43:13 joel_, btw, I'm almost out the door for 2 weeks of vacation..will sync on that email..it's been busy as I had to have things organized for the team here before I leave ;) Jun 13 15:43:26 mdp, I understand, np Jun 13 15:43:41 you need to keep submitting patches until he calls you names Jun 13 15:43:45 mdp, if you can spare like 10 mins just to catch up on the whole series Jun 13 15:43:46 joel_, just fyi, you have a regression in the mmc driver if there's a problem. Jun 13 15:44:04 mdp, I have some small patches lined up too for the conversion Jun 13 15:44:13 and have implemented all review so far except for 1 or 2 comments Jun 13 15:44:20 there's a ton of stuff that's been touched for pinctrl etc. in that driver Jun 13 15:44:21 mdp, right Jun 13 15:44:40 it's part of the woe of start again stop again Jun 13 15:44:43 mdp, I tried non-DT boot and still see the MMC fs-error / init not found messages Jun 13 15:44:51 I hope you guys can focus for longer than 2 merge windows ;) Jun 13 15:45:26 mranostay, I have no intension of wasting my time and at the same time being called names. In the end he doesn't like it so it wont go anywhere :P Jun 13 15:45:33 joel_, they broke something..as you would expect..this has been exhaustively tested on the kernel across 5 different platforms back in the timeframe it was posted against tip Jun 13 15:45:44 but that was a looong time ago now Jun 13 15:45:53 Priyans: works for me, what is your exact command line? Jun 13 15:45:54 joel_: you are new to this kernel thing aren't you? :) Jun 13 15:46:11 mranostay, 5 years new ? :-P Jun 13 15:46:22 mdp, right Jun 13 15:46:43 mdp, I just reverted to the 3.9-rc5 commit which adds MMC DT support for am18x Jun 13 15:46:53 and in that the claim is it has been tested Jun 13 15:47:03 joel_, you realize that's a bit of a bitter point for me, right? I begged and pleaded to not be interrupted :( Jun 13 15:47:06 russell--: scp temp priyans@192.168.1.3:/path-to-an-existing-folder-on-ubuntu-machine Jun 13 15:47:18 but so far DT boot doesn't give me anything on the UART , either it is crashing or the UART is not configured Jun 13 15:47:19 joel_, but I am happy they found religion again ;) Jun 13 15:47:39 mdp, hehe. yeah,... all interruptions are directed to overlords now :-P Jun 13 15:47:52 joel_, btw, we will have our board booting from mainline on mmc before you will. :) Jun 13 15:48:07 I got the am335x TRNG driver working with DT in 3.8. I wanted to get it upstreamed but I can't even get a straight answer of what git tree to base the patch off of for submission to linux-omap mailing list. Jun 13 15:48:11 mdp: since when does begging and pleading accomplish anything? Jun 13 15:48:42 mru, it was a last act of desperation :( Jun 13 15:48:47 I'm human Jun 13 15:48:53 really? Jun 13 15:48:59 I'm pretty sure you're a troll Jun 13 15:49:00 trolls aren't human? Jun 13 15:49:01 somewhere deep inside Jun 13 15:49:05 trolls are people too Jun 13 15:49:05 humanoid Jun 13 15:49:11 human-like Jun 13 15:49:29 ugly bag of mostly water Jun 13 15:49:55 russell--: temp is my file to be transferred. Jun 13 15:50:07 6d8+36 hp Jun 13 15:51:19 mdp: ugly bag of mostly open space :P Jun 13 15:51:32 those damn spinning electrons :P Jun 13 15:58:51 Priyans: can you ping that ipaddr? Jun 13 15:59:10 russell--: yeah. i can even ssh that addr. Jun 13 15:59:51 nfi then Jun 13 16:00:38 hey russell-- i didnt get what you mean. 'nfi' ? Jun 13 16:01:02 no F***ing idea? Jun 13 16:01:46 oh okay Jun 13 16:04:29 :) Jun 13 16:07:25 i had no nfc Jun 13 16:12:04 mranostay: i'm not a pony! Jun 13 16:12:16 mru: i shouldnt be lazy ^^' i have an exam on tue Jun 13 16:12:42 KotH: Psychology right? Jun 13 16:12:47 juup Jun 13 16:12:48 I had my last exam over 10 years ago Jun 13 16:12:51 weirdo Jun 13 16:12:53 not doing it again Jun 13 16:13:08 mranostay: at least i'm weird in a positive sense... unlike you ;-) Jun 13 16:13:16 hey! Jun 13 16:13:30 mru: i said the same, when i left university... things changed slightly since then :) Jun 13 16:13:31 KotH: that's a matter of some contention Jun 13 16:13:46 KotH: things have changed for me as well Jun 13 16:13:56 but other things Jun 13 16:13:59 for starters, I make bucketloads more money now Jun 13 16:14:05 so why the hell should I go back? Jun 13 16:14:06 well that is a plus Jun 13 16:14:07 *g* Jun 13 16:14:18 i already have a big plus on my flag Jun 13 16:14:26 i should finish a degree in something :P Jun 13 16:14:36 i wonder if i can major in "something" Jun 13 16:14:45 KotH: but you're pretty close to the border with austria, and they have a minus on the theirs Jun 13 16:14:58 mru: that's why the border is neutral Jun 13 16:15:37 it is always neutral until someone gets worked up and starts rolling tanks over Jun 13 16:16:44 good luck rolling tanks into britain Jun 13 16:16:49 mranostay: that's why swiss are neutral but heavily armed Jun 13 16:16:51 I don't think anyone has ever managed that Jun 13 16:17:13 mru: there will be an ice age again! Jun 13 16:17:48 KotH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liechtenstein%E2%80%93Switzerland_relations#Incidents_involving_the_Swiss_military Jun 13 16:18:23 best line ever "It's not like they invaded with attack helicopters" Jun 13 16:18:54 there is an german exclave within swiss borders, right next to an tank training ground Jun 13 16:19:01 it gets "invaded" regularly :) Jun 13 16:19:07 Does switzerland even own any attack helicopters? Jun 13 16:19:32 i actually dont know ^^' Jun 13 16:19:37 KotH: what is the city name? Jun 13 16:19:46 mranostay: dont know Jun 13 16:19:56 mranostay: and i dont think it's a city, just some smallish village Jun 13 16:20:06 Borders can be fun. Jun 13 16:20:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baarle-Nassau_-_Baarle-Hertog-en.svg Jun 13 16:20:12 Belgium/nl Jun 13 16:20:42 http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/guide/belgium.shtml Jun 13 16:20:59 KotH: +1 on know the different between an exclave and enclave :P Jun 13 16:21:51 mranostay: ya know? i'm educated ;) Jun 13 16:22:08 mranostay: i even know the difference between an emigrant and an imigrant :) Jun 13 16:22:57 Emigrants are people who have gone to stay in a nice foreign country for a bit, and immigrants are filthy scum? Jun 13 16:23:24 sounds correct Jun 13 16:31:55 KotH: so what is next a degree in underwater basketweaving? :) Jun 13 16:32:16 i thought about physics... or sociology :) Jun 13 16:32:39 mranostay: I wouldn't be surprised if the local fake university offered that Jun 13 16:32:48 even the students there make fun of it Jun 13 16:33:09 mru: you have a fake universtiy with real students? Jun 13 16:33:26 there's also a rather nice real university here Jun 13 16:33:46 mru: fake university? Jun 13 16:35:32 mranostay: http://www.solent.ac.uk/ Jun 13 16:36:30 lol Jun 13 16:36:36 they have a course in "fashion buying" Jun 13 16:37:13 "Introduction to Visual Merchandising for Fashion Products" Jun 13 16:37:14 nice, swiss rocket attack on liechenstein Jun 13 16:37:48 starting a forest fire, no less! Jun 13 16:38:05 Russ: weird thing: there is no artillery training ground in that area Jun 13 16:38:08 panto: i use buildroot Jun 13 16:38:20 will check it tomorrow again Jun 13 16:38:32 Maybe the rockets were fired from an attack helicopter ;) Jun 13 16:38:52 compare to http://www.southampton.ac.uk/ Jun 13 16:39:26 compare to http://www.ethz.ch/ ... oh.. nevermind Jun 13 16:40:18 myself: you kid... but .. :) Jun 13 16:40:33 www.uzh.ch used to have a sim city 2 map as background a couple of years ago Jun 13 16:40:47 OMG Jun 13 16:41:11 it was just the "mesh" version of the underground view... but clearly recognizable Jun 13 16:41:19 at least to those in the know ;) Jun 13 16:47:44 jihadist greetings, mr prpplague Jun 13 16:48:01 uh..... Jun 13 16:48:09 does that involve blowing something up? Jun 13 16:48:23 * prpplague is not responding to that greeting Jun 13 16:49:01 prpplague: NSA listens because they care Jun 13 16:51:20 KotH: you need to get a chemistry degree next.. to make certain items :P Jun 13 16:51:35 mranostay: my minor is chemistry :) Jun 13 16:51:49 hmm, that obsession of his with clocks is starting to make sense Jun 13 16:52:10 he's clearly working on some very elaborate timed detonator Jun 13 16:52:16 <_Sy_> I've borrowed a USB drive from work to test on the BBB, I connected the drive to the USB port and can see it listed when using "fdisk -l", /dev/sda, the type is listed as HPFS/NTFS/exFAT Jun 13 16:52:38 <_Sy_> but when I try to mount it it says, unknown file system type 'ntfs' Jun 13 16:52:51 use fuse and ntfs3g Jun 13 16:52:54 some days I just want to smack people Jun 13 16:53:00 bradfa: some? Jun 13 16:53:05 well, most Jun 13 16:53:08 today is one of them Jun 13 16:53:17 that's closer Jun 13 16:54:01 * bradfa needs punching bag Jun 13 16:54:15 * KotH hands bradfa a manager Jun 13 16:54:16 * mru points bradfa at mranostay Jun 13 16:54:21 how dare you Jun 13 16:54:40 mranostay: you're already the channel punching bag Jun 13 16:54:41 mranostay: you are a manager? Jun 13 16:54:53 KotH: he didn't have pointy hair when last we met Jun 13 16:54:56 mranostay, how goes x86ing the world? Jun 13 16:55:01 done yet? Jun 13 16:55:20 has x86 been fexed yet? Jun 13 16:55:57 mru: that's just disguise Jun 13 17:00:24 <_Sy_> It worked, thank you! Jun 13 17:00:44 <_Sy_> ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/big Jun 13 17:07:30 mru: does "long room club" have any special meaning for english people? Jun 13 17:07:50 I'm not english, how would I know? Jun 13 17:08:25 you have been hiding in their midst for a century or two... i thought you know Jun 13 17:08:36 mru, you seem to have picked up a log of .uk habits Jun 13 17:08:49 plus a snazzy accent Jun 13 17:09:02 that's all a disguise Jun 13 17:09:22 is that like part of a cunning plan? Jun 13 17:10:25 so which processes are in charge or lighting the leds on bbb? I am trying to control the leds through my own script. Jun 13 17:10:45 shakeeb, kernel does most of the blinkin' lights Jun 13 17:11:05 heartbeat and mmc, at least Jun 13 17:11:13 hmm... how can I stop that so I can take control? Do I have to rebuild? Jun 13 17:11:24 n00b question. my BBB a5a doesn't seem to see the microSD card. Tried two different fat formated cards. Using a 5v iphone charger for power. Plugged in a USB thumb drive and I can see it no problem. Jun 13 17:11:40 shakeeb, /sys/class/leds/* Jun 13 17:11:49 there's a trigger file in each led dir Jun 13 17:11:54 go wild Jun 13 17:13:05 KotH: means nothing to me Jun 13 17:13:15 sorry disconnected Jun 13 17:13:44 so when I access usr0 ... would the kernel process stop the heartbeat? Jun 13 17:17:10 <_Sy_> Just been testing the external USB drive, which I plugged in mounted, created a file on it, then removed and connected to a PC, edited the same file, then removed drive and re-inserted into BBB.... Jun 13 17:17:39 <_Sy_> The BBB didn't like it...not that I am suprised, but is this one of the things on the list to be sorted, hot swappable drives? Jun 13 17:22:39 I have a xM rev C2 board. I seem to have bricked the board somehow. I could not connect using screen like I normally do and only D5 and D14 were lit. So I flashed the image available on ckt co and now only D5 is lit with no response from screen. Any tips ? Jun 13 17:34:19 You guys know of any devices that have displays viewable in direct sunlight that can be used for ssh access to BBB? Doesn't have to be color display, only care about text. Jun 13 17:35:23 <_av500_> a kindle Jun 13 17:35:36 <_av500_> make the BBB mail it display content to your amazon account Jun 13 17:35:43 <_av500_> and it will appear on the kindle Jun 13 17:36:05 use case is cockpit of sailboat offshore Jun 13 17:36:19 <_av500_> you might need a few amazon servers under deck then Jun 13 17:36:24 <_av500_> solved, next! Jun 13 17:36:26 hehe Jun 13 17:37:24 transreflective displays were popular for a short while, then they disappeared Jun 13 17:37:27 no idea why Jun 13 17:37:53 <_av500_> http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/02/kindle-paperwhite-raspberry-pi-hack/ Jun 13 17:37:54 <_av500_> there Jun 13 17:37:57 <_av500_> I was not joking Jun 13 17:38:06 some types of ips panels seem ok though Jun 13 17:38:06 <_av500_> ignore the pi though Jun 13 17:38:15 always ignore the pi Jun 13 17:38:54 That's the sort of device I had in mind. Jun 13 17:39:04 <_av500_> np Jun 13 17:39:09 <_av500_> glad to help Jun 13 17:39:10 <_av500_> next! Jun 13 17:39:24 not sure what the stupid looking red box is in that photo Jun 13 17:39:42 <_av500_> a warning sign Jun 13 17:39:49 it's a stupid-looking red box Jun 13 17:39:52 <_av500_> think of the children Jun 13 17:40:07 why? Jun 13 17:40:18 why indeed Jun 13 17:40:24 <_av500_> because England Jun 13 17:40:24 when did the children ever think of us? Jun 13 17:42:03 I have a xM rev C2 board. I seem to have bricked the board somehow. I could not connect using screen like I normally do and only D5 and D14 were lit. So I flashed the image available on ckt co and now only D5 is lit with no response from screen. Any tips ? Jun 13 17:42:18 <_av500_> serial console Jun 13 17:43:38 <_Sy_> phew....quite happy with the IDE now...got eclipse set-up running on dev.system, can develop on local system and remotely debug on BBB. Jun 13 17:43:56 you're weird Jun 13 17:44:00 * _av500_ prefers SATA over IDE Jun 13 17:44:08 eclipse is not really needed for this Jun 13 17:44:10 <_Sy_> @mru why? Jun 13 17:44:16 because eclipse Jun 13 17:44:21 * mranostay prefers _av500_ over mru Jun 13 17:44:38 mranostay: I'm ok with that Jun 13 17:45:01 <_Sy_> eclipse is the basis of many many commerical IDE's including QNX momentics, Texas Instruments Code Composer and many more...whats wrong with it? Jun 13 17:45:10 everything Jun 13 17:45:13 <_av500_> with CCS? Jun 13 17:45:14 <_av500_> a lot Jun 13 17:45:25 <_Sy_> I agree on CCS...don't like it either Jun 13 17:45:34 <_Sy_> used it on MSP430's Jun 13 17:45:49 <_Sy_> So what would you recommend? Jun 13 17:45:52 linux Jun 13 17:46:21 <_Sy_> You've said that before, but Linux is an O/S not a programming IDE and if you are referring to vi then you are werider than me :) Jun 13 17:46:21 nice, you can run debian on kindle paperwhite. perfect Jun 13 17:46:39 mourning Jun 13 17:46:59 cheers for iced coffee Jun 13 17:47:53 panto ping? Jun 13 17:47:54 _Sy_: emacs, xterm, gcc, etc make a very nicely integrated development environment Jun 13 17:48:12 <_Sy_> gcc is just command line compiler isn't it? Jun 13 17:48:16 mru, emacs is a whole OS by itself :P Jun 13 17:48:24 ka6sox: did you have dreams of unicorns? Jun 13 17:48:27 * dwery remembers bad things about Code Composer Studio... Jun 13 17:49:14 <_Sy_> none of those are what I would call an IDE Jun 13 17:49:26 not each by themselves Jun 13 17:49:29 but _together_ Jun 13 17:49:45 <_Sy_> By definition not an IDE Jun 13 17:50:07 right, an IDE must by definition be bloated and suck Jun 13 17:50:24 <_Sy_> not at all but it must be Integrated . Jun 13 17:50:33 the things I mentioned are Jun 13 17:50:56 <_Sy_> If you develop the glue yourself, maybe. Jun 13 17:51:16 piece of advice: shut up before you reveal even more of your ignorance Jun 13 17:51:40 <_Sy_> mru, I think you are very young...judging by your tone. Jun 13 17:51:52 I think you are very stupid Jun 13 17:52:09 <_Sy_> mru, you are a fool, a rude imature fool Jun 13 17:52:11 judging by your failure to solve trivial problems on your own Jun 13 17:52:46 <_Sy_> I admit I don't know everything, and I don't pretend too...but I know there is also a wealth of knowledge that I have that you don't. Jun 13 17:52:53 it took you like a week and three people holding each of your hands before you got a compiler working Jun 13 17:53:22 you know very little of what I know Jun 13 17:53:37 * dwery won't ask what was the third guy holding... Jun 13 17:54:33 <_Sy_> Not true...The documentation is very bitsey, and fragmented. Like I said I don't pretend to know it all, this is a new platform to me and I don't normally place much with Linux. But its people like you with your smart ass remarts and know it all tone that make places like this harder. Grow up and get over yourself Jun 13 17:55:17 _Sy_, if you'd like help build a toolchain, Cross Linux From Scratch has nice exactsteps Jun 13 17:55:21 * vvu|Mobile hides in these times of riot! Jun 13 17:58:41 _Sy_: let me guess... you're in your 40s, you've worked with computers in some form for 20-odd years, thus believe you automatically know more than anyone you perceive to be younger, and you feel uncomfortable receiving help from such people. you've spent the last 10 years working in the same environment, thus losing track of the outside world, and now you're completely lost and scared Jun 13 18:01:59 bah, the results of my opkg upgrade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoPplpBPQxQ Jun 13 18:02:36 <_Sy_> Actually, as I've said numerous times I don't pretend to know it all and know I don't. I have work since the mid 80's in software development, starting with DOS writing control systems for the offshore industry and later fire and gas safety systems. I have worked on a variety of systems and more recently embedded systems for the water utilities. I have used QNX quite a lot, but very little exposure to Linux. I always try to stay on the ball, but Li Jun 13 18:02:37 <_Sy_> nux can hardly claim to be etiher cutting edge or on track, its based on Unix and thats as old as the hills...I am not at all scared and enjoy the challenge. Jun 13 18:03:29 av500: I have USB to serial(PL2303) and am using minicom. but I have no activity on it . Jun 13 18:04:16 <_av500_> then your sdcard is not good Jun 13 18:04:29 or cable not properly connected Jun 13 18:04:37 or port not correctly configured Jun 13 18:05:33 unix has no systemd Jun 13 18:05:41 will change both(card and cable) and try then. Thanks ! Jun 13 18:06:23 anujdeshpande: if you power it up without a card, you should get a few characters printed on the serial console Jun 13 18:06:31 "60W" or similar Jun 13 18:06:55 mru: tried that too. got nothing .. Jun 13 18:07:06 <_av500_> hmm Jun 13 18:07:11 <_av500_> well, check the serial Jun 13 18:07:19 <_av500_> short pins 2 and 3 and see if you get an echo Jun 13 18:07:21 apparently the mailing list has many such threads.. most end with rma Jun 13 18:07:29 <_av500_> nah Jun 13 18:07:34 <_av500_> very few boards get RMAs Jun 13 18:07:34 many rma boards are perfectly good Jun 13 18:07:38 <_av500_> that too Jun 13 18:08:44 hm shoud I made a jboss recipe Jun 13 18:10:05 <_av500_> ake two Jun 13 18:10:06 <_av500_> make Jun 13 18:10:45 two is always better .... Jun 13 18:10:49 as is bacon Jun 13 18:11:03 free as in bacon Jun 13 18:11:08 <_av500_> bacon recipe? Jun 13 18:11:14 two ! Jun 13 18:11:35 <_av500_> to bacon and beyond Jun 13 18:12:16 the pie is the limit ! Jun 13 18:12:35 (or so) Jun 13 18:16:00 philenotfound: ping Jun 13 18:20:10 Hello. Jun 13 18:20:30 I wanted to upgrade my BBB and now it doesn't boot anymore Jun 13 18:20:53 somehow the upgrading process terminated and now I wanted to reflash it using the SD-card method. Jun 13 18:21:07 hm do not upgrade if you can not fix it Jun 13 18:21:52 When inserting the SD card and booting it, the 4 LEDs are ligthting in the known pattern again but it doesnt start X11 and the usb network interface isn't brought up neither Jun 13 18:22:27 woglinde, I haven't known at this time that it would be that much of a problem. How can I access it now? Jun 13 18:22:32 daemoon serial console for the win Jun 13 18:22:53 so it is normal that it has no HDMI output? Jun 13 18:23:19 BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.05.27.img Jun 13 18:23:45 sorry my crystalball has some problems to see the boot problem Jun 13 18:24:35 it seems to boot correctly as the LEDs are blinking as they do normally Jun 13 18:38:23 my crystallball blinks too Jun 13 18:44:16 Usual problem is the emmc flash process wasn't allowed to complete. Once you start the flash you need to let the BBB sit and do it's thing until all the LEDs are lit solid. Jun 13 18:58:25 mastiff, they are lighting solid in about 3 seconds Jun 13 19:09:33 mastiff_, how tall is your mast? Jun 13 19:22:34 I've just soldered a RS232 cable for debugging. Now I'm in the system again. Jun 13 19:33:44 <_Sy_> Can anyone recommend a good reliable and fast external hard drive for use with the BBB? Jun 13 19:34:05 mastiff_ I'll take that as a "I'm shutting down to prevent things from blowing up" Jun 13 19:35:07 <_Sy_> Out of these two, would either work ok? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-HDTB110EK3BA-Stor-E-Basics-External/dp/B005X7AXXE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371152057&sr=8-1&keywords=external+hard+drive+usb Jun 13 19:35:17 <_Sy_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Slimline-Portable-Hard-Drive/dp/B008PABFX8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1371152057&sr=8-2&keywords=external+hard+drive+usb Jun 13 19:43:32 <_av500_> any one Jun 13 19:47:21 does the BBB support USB 3.0? Jun 13 19:47:32 hehehehe Jun 13 19:48:18 * was just looking at the amazon usb drive and noticed it was usb 3.0 Jun 13 19:48:28 * and bus powered .. hmm Jun 13 19:49:50 <_av500_> that might be an issue Jun 13 19:51:09 <_Sy_> I don't think so, but most of the drives are backward compatible although some sound like they are very slow on usb2 Jun 13 19:51:25 3.0 implies more current sometimes Jun 13 19:51:53 i'm using a sata->usb 2.0 enclosure to reuse some old sata drives Jun 13 19:51:56 that seems to work fine Jun 13 19:52:36 <_Sy_> ty, will look into that Jun 13 19:54:19 Rickta59: yeah the whole current thing is going to be a problem :P Jun 13 19:55:31 <_Sy_> trying to keep the number of components down to a minimum... Jun 13 20:11:33 back Jun 13 20:11:34 hi ka6sox Jun 13 20:19:23 ruby is packaged in the angstrom repo, but I can't find irb. what gives? Jun 13 20:28:57 seem to vaguely remember having the same problem and I just opkg'd it Jun 13 20:30:02 I've had perfectly good luck installing packages one at a time, but apparently you do not want to do a general "opkg upgrade" at the moment Jun 13 20:31:26 I would like to install irb with opkg, but that fails. looking at the repo, irb is not there. Jun 13 20:32:02 maybe try opkg ruby? Jun 13 20:32:49 that's it. irb is contained in the "ruby" package. Jun 13 20:33:23 I don't have my board up atm but I think that's how it worked Jun 13 20:33:30 I've not seen that in other distributions, so I wasn't expecting that. Jun 13 20:33:41 not sure why the default ruby installation didn't have it though, that's a mystery Jun 13 20:34:06 the default ruby installation DID have irb packaged in it. I'm happy now. Jun 13 20:34:47 Has anyone done a ruby api yet to the gpio? Jun 13 20:35:25 dunno, but I guess you can open them as files from Ruby in the worst case Jun 13 20:36:21 where can I find the file path information for gpio Jun 13 20:36:36 hah, they seem to move around, I'm not sure Jun 13 20:36:59 gpio's in /sys/class/gpio/ Jun 13 20:37:43 and you can see which gpio's are registered in /sys/kernel/debug/gpio Jun 13 20:38:16 perfect, thanks Jun 13 20:38:26 status of each pin's pinmux is in /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pins ... it's lengthy but generally the gpio on the beaglebone has a convention like 1_15, 0_30, etc Jun 13 20:38:32 the first number multiply by 32 then add the 2nd number Jun 13 20:38:58 so 1_16 is 32+16 = pin #48, if that pins file shows pin 48 as having a '7' at the end of its status word it's probably configured already as gpio. Jun 13 20:39:25 otherwise you get to join the Device Tree fun to change it ;-) so pick gpio pins that are already preconfigured as gpio first. Jun 13 20:40:14 but yeah, you can 'export' the gpio by echoing its number ot /sys/class/gpio/export and you'll see /sys/class/gpio/gpioXX show up which you can use to twiddle that pin or read its input state. Jun 13 20:41:19 panto, did I catch you before you bailed? Jun 13 20:41:48 I'm still here Jun 13 20:42:23 btw, guys, if you're doing GPIO, there's a new gpio helper driver that deals with all that Jun 13 20:42:32 ah sweet Jun 13 20:42:41 coming in the next angstrom release by chance? Jun 13 20:42:45 yes Jun 13 20:42:48 woot Jun 13 20:42:51 nice Jun 13 20:43:00 yeah, cool Jun 13 20:43:02 and since it's in the kernel, in any other distro as well that pick up the same kernel Jun 13 20:43:13 docs? Jun 13 20:43:30 will write some after the release is out Jun 13 20:43:52 https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-bbxm/blob/not-capebus-v31/firmware/capes/BB-GPIOHELP-00A0.dts Jun 13 20:44:04 thanks Jun 13 20:44:09 it's pretty self explained Jun 13 20:45:46 ah neat, helps you preconfigure the port settings Jun 13 20:48:52 right, and there's a status property in the device sysfs directory that you can use to find out the gpio# without relying on magic number calculations Jun 13 20:50:00 cause the method you use to calculate the gpio number relying on the probe order of the gpio drivers Jun 13 20:50:12 if you have gpio expanders it falls down Jun 13 20:51:17 ah Jun 13 20:52:57 g'night, time to go Jun 13 20:53:50 <_Sy_> me2 nite Jun 13 21:20:24 Got a BBB, USB tethered mode storage works fine, get reasonably cryptic log messages about registering the various _ether things, even a reference to eth1 (which is where I'd expect it), but... no actual ethernet pseudodevice. :-( Host is Debian stable... Jun 13 21:39:04 you mean for the ethernet/USB bridge? On Angstrom at least that device shows up as usb0 in ifconfig, then the real ethernet is eth0 Jun 13 21:40:19 suboptimus: your nick is not confidence-inspiring :-) Jun 13 21:40:44 but he did give me a golden opportunity to mention that I can't find the bridge... Jun 13 21:42:52 mru, it is better than suboptimal Jun 13 21:44:11 I'm not connected to the BBB so far, other than through the storage device interface. It seems there's supposed to be some sort of pseudo-network device, yes, and I'd prefer to use that rather than digging out the old serial breadboard. but though the log suggests that the USB subsystem on the Debian box sees the thing, it's stopping short of actually working :-( Jun 13 21:44:40 the BBB is stock as received, of course Jun 13 21:48:26 so… This is based on Angstrom but there is both a USB/Ethernet bridge and a USB virtual com port… So from my Mac for example, I can either ssh over USB/Ethernet or I can do "screen /dev/tty.usbblahblahblah 115200" for virtual serial Jun 13 21:48:45 but maybe that'll at least help get you talking to it to troubleshoot the Ethernet bridge Jun 13 21:49:16 get a real serial console running Jun 13 21:49:29 ah, ok Jun 13 21:49:44 not at all, since the problem is that despite low-level log messages there is no ethernet device registered. thought perhaps there was some common missing part I needed Jun 13 21:50:39 hmm, don't think I can be much help then, I'm using Angstrom and with that distro the USB/Ethernet is one of the things that actually does work Jun 13 21:50:46 but that does suggest another approach. if I give it power and connect the real ethernet, can I ssh in to the default config? I'd dismissed that, assuming I'd have to do *some* configuration first Jun 13 21:51:10 again, with Angstrom, real Ethernet was GTG ootb Jun 13 21:51:45 if it can find a dhcp server, it'll set itself up as hostname beaglebone Jun 13 21:51:52 real ethernet won't matter wtf I'm running on the desktop machine - even Windows :-/ Jun 13 21:51:54 You can connect it via ethernet to a router with dhcp, then check your router interface to find the BBB, or ping 192.168.1.x until your find it. Jun 13 21:52:07 so you can just ssh root@beaglebone Jun 13 21:52:23 cool. now where did that 5V wart get to? thanks! Jun 13 21:52:51 I've had success powering the BBB from the router usb port as well. Jun 13 21:53:20 assuming your router has one. Jun 13 21:53:59 router usb port? Jun 13 21:54:15 yes Jun 13 21:54:23 supposedly for a HD Jun 13 21:54:26 intended for network printers and such maybe? Jun 13 21:54:29 "any USB port, just for power" Jun 13 21:54:49 yeah HD would make sense Jun 13 21:56:15 my router is a pc Jun 13 21:57:50 yeah, I used to use and old PPro box - that might not have had USB? But I replaced that with a multiport Alix a while back, much smaller and many fewer watts. And USB ports, but i found the 5V supply, so that's more convenient Jun 13 21:59:13 I use a mobile core2 chip Jun 13 21:59:38 the whole system doesn't even register on the ups power meter Jun 13 22:00:28 * SpeedEvil notes that he used to run 3 PPRO166 (overclocked to 240) on one 145W PSU Jun 13 22:02:15 sure, the PPro wasn't that huge a power sink - that's why I used it rather than some other hardware I had around - but compared to <5W for the Alix it was a bunch Jun 13 22:02:47 Sure. Jun 13 22:03:09 It was high powered for its time. Jun 13 22:03:18 But I note AMD anouncing a 220W TDP chip. Jun 13 22:04:39 it's just the old power vs clock speed tradeoff Jun 13 22:07:56 the new AMD FX chip, that is - the Alix is rather faster than the PPro was. Gotta love ol' Moore Jun 13 22:07:56 Geometry comes into it somewhat too. Jun 13 22:07:56 well, feature size is why Moore's Law worked :-) Jun 13 22:11:40 hi all Jun 13 22:12:23 <_av500_> hi one Jun 13 22:12:30 :) Jun 13 22:12:36 * mru was taught to avoid risc Jun 13 22:12:41 cisc! Jun 13 22:12:58 yeah, you'd say that Jun 13 22:13:03 cisc is these days just a layer of cruft on top of a risc core :-) Jun 13 22:13:14 now tell me why a variable shift can only use cl as shift amount Jun 13 22:13:17 THAT SUCKS Jun 13 22:14:01 because there's a tension between expressiveness and terseness Jun 13 22:14:06 martinm: lies! Jun 13 22:14:20 there is tension between sanity and x86 Jun 13 22:14:57 no comment Jun 13 22:16:40 hello Jun 13 22:17:02 I present you exhibit 1: mranostay Jun 13 22:17:45 I just received my black. I'm interested in installing Android, but I don't know if it will work without touchscreen. Can someone advise Jun 13 22:18:21 mru: i am completely sane Jun 13 22:18:43 and I'm a unicorn Jun 13 22:18:51 and I'm the Pope Jun 13 22:20:09 I'm a unicorn Pope. Jun 13 22:20:10 hey! Jun 13 22:20:14 SpeedEvil: +1 Jun 13 22:20:35 ooh Jun 13 22:20:50 Popecorn :P Jun 13 22:21:14 pope on a rope? Jun 13 22:21:18 :) Jun 13 22:21:50 ssi: er hanging the pope?!?!? Jun 13 22:22:07 no Jun 13 22:22:08 http://youtu.be/fHRDfut2Vx0 Jun 13 22:22:11 just making him more convenient in the shower Jun 13 22:23:10 my brain is full of tired and unmotivated Jun 13 22:39:17 anyone consider making a clone of google glass? Jun 13 22:39:45 ds2: the hardware? Jun 13 22:39:53 It's not very trivial to get it good Jun 13 22:40:09 You can make something sort-of-like without _that_ much hastle. Jun 13 22:40:12 apple apparitio? Jun 13 22:40:14 n Jun 13 22:40:43 the beagle could serve as a CPU Jun 13 22:41:51 ds2: i'm sure the NSA would help out Jun 13 22:42:05 if we expand the scope to the entire face... beaglebeard Jun 13 22:42:19 ~beaglestash Jun 13 22:43:36 based on the tear down, there isn't much to it Jun 13 22:43:58 camera in, display out. small HMDs (alas, composite in) are relatively cheap Jun 13 22:46:00 for the camera, a small USB cam Jun 13 22:46:22 but why? Jun 13 22:46:34 alleviate boredom Jun 13 22:46:39 cut down on trolling Jun 13 22:46:43 hahahaha Jun 13 22:47:15 a device like that would let you troll anything anywhere Jun 13 22:48:35 ds2: Small decent res HMDs are annoying to do. Jun 13 22:58:46 Tartarus: making u-boot for am335x_evm_usbspl will output me a good MLO, right? Jun 13 22:59:03 vvu|Mobile, and more importantly spl/u-boot-spl.bin, yes :) Jun 13 22:59:45 ok, lets test now Jun 13 23:00:15 dinner time is approach here, but I'll see what I can do to help :) Jun 13 23:02:46 Tartarus: works. but this spl implements rndis again? Jun 13 23:04:29 Right Jun 13 23:04:37 SPL does RNDIS since ROM does RNDIS Jun 13 23:04:44 and it's just continuing the flow Jun 13 23:05:00 and u-boot same thingie right? Jun 13 23:05:02 let the spice flow Jun 13 23:05:07 vvu|Mobile, right Jun 13 23:05:14 vvu|Mobile, But u-boot can support more Jun 13 23:05:27 RNDIS is just the easy one Jun 13 23:05:35 and lets you tftp over for files Jun 13 23:05:44 yep Jun 13 23:06:08 any idea how the bootp packet is formatted for the spl? Jun 13 23:06:29 is normal bootp or dhcp style with flags field? Jun 13 23:07:32 Hi! How can I make my beaglebone black take the network configuration in /etc/network/interfaces instead of acquiring an IP over dhcp for eth0? Jun 13 23:07:46 the guys from TI specified in the am335x TRM that is implemented bootp defined in rfc951 but they implemented the dhcp style of packet Jun 13 23:07:54 Isaac: angstrom does not use that file unfortunately Jun 13 23:08:19 ok, no problem. How can I instead manage that behaviour? Jun 13 23:08:33 I just want an static IP on my device on bootup Jun 13 23:08:54 you have to power the board with static electricity Jun 13 23:09:06 dinner Jun 13 23:09:06 Ok and then? Jun 13 23:09:28 Tartarus: bon appetit Jun 13 23:10:00 which files should I edit then, mru? Jun 13 23:10:20 edit whatever file tells it to use dhcp Jun 13 23:10:39 do you know which one is it? Jun 13 23:11:06 if it isn't /etc/network/interfaces, I'm clueless, sadly Jun 13 23:22:43 m_billybob: heyo, how is debian working out for yoU? Jun 13 23:25:25 thanks anyways :) Jun 13 23:25:27 bye Jun 13 23:33:56 SpeedEvil: the google one is apparently less then 640x480 Jun 13 23:34:04 eeeew Jun 13 23:36:55 ds2: yes - now look up some of the resolutions of the composite ones. Jun 13 23:37:04 It'ats's about 4* as good as many Jun 13 23:37:07 That's Jun 13 23:38:01 composite signals make my eyes bleed Jun 13 23:42:24 SPeedEvil: if you believe the fb settings for the driver, it is compareable :D Jun 13 23:42:46 Actual optical resolution Jun 13 23:42:50 venc.c calls out a 720x482 fb Jun 13 23:42:58 SpeedEvil: whatever that means Jun 13 23:43:05 so if you allow for the overscan/etc, it can be in the same ball park Jun 13 23:43:12 eyeball park Jun 13 23:43:30 now most implementations of it are closer to 320x200 range if not 160x80 range Jun 13 23:43:42 ds2: Are you thinking composite has a defined resolution? Jun 13 23:43:49 point is, the signal can do better Jun 13 23:43:50 ds2: Because it really doesn't horizontally Jun 13 23:43:53 it is analog Jun 13 23:44:12 there is a defined res in the nyquist sense since it is bw limited Jun 13 23:44:32 True. Jun 13 23:44:32 any actual circuit will also be feeding it some number of pixels per line Jun 13 23:44:51 mru: Many transmitters were entirely analog Jun 13 23:44:52 usually a bit more than it can actually transfer properly Jun 13 23:45:02 unless you use a miniCRT Jun 13 23:45:02 Before CCDs anyway Jun 13 23:45:11 I'm talking about modern composite outputs on electronic gadgets Jun 13 23:45:34 with an analogue scanning tube it's a different matter of course Jun 13 23:45:36 the question is how bw limited is the venc output on say the O3 Jun 13 23:57:32 where can I find the pru tool chain, for example the pasm assembler? Jun 13 23:57:50 on the internet Jun 13 23:57:52 it appears to not be in the repo Jun 13 23:57:54 look at the mailing list archive Jun 13 23:59:06 robertjw: google "beaglebone pru package", third link or so will be https://github.com/beagleboard/am335x_pru_package Jun 13 23:59:32 you'd think it would be easier to find than mail archive digging. Jun 13 23:59:58 actually I was surprised that it was not in the repo Jun 14 00:00:51 saying "dig in the mail archive" is like saying "the documentation for this sucks ass" Jun 14 00:01:24 and that's a surprise why? :-/ Jun 14 00:04:01 it's not :( just a horrible truth about most things in the world, open source or professional. Jun 14 00:04:59 the world sucks, deal with it Jun 14 00:05:22 some people try to make it suck less Jun 14 00:05:41 silly optimists Jun 14 00:05:42 thus the existence of wikis, etc. Jun 14 00:05:44 they are doomed to fail Jun 14 00:05:45 the problem is that writing documentation isn't as fun as writing software Jun 14 00:05:59 true enough Jun 14 00:06:01 and that in turn isn't as fun as writing rants Jun 14 00:06:10 lol, true that yo! Jun 14 00:06:39 rants > software > docs ... where's the profit? Jun 14 00:06:52 there isn't any Jun 14 00:06:56 that's why the world sucks Jun 14 00:07:28 you're as likely to find ladies as profit, in that equation Jun 14 00:07:59 and I can assure you there are no ladies to be found there Jun 14 00:08:01 I checked Jun 14 00:24:09 mru, you are missing Kristina Jun 14 00:24:25 huh Jun 14 00:27:35 never mind... Jun 14 00:29:07 heh Jun 14 00:29:22 ka6sox: can we count guys with long hair too? Jun 14 00:30:05 I still fail to see their relevance to the discussion Jun 14 00:30:18 mru, there is no relavence Jun 14 00:30:50 of course, nothing really matters Jun 14 00:31:01 anyone should see Jun 14 00:31:13 cheery bunch today Jun 14 00:31:37 Ultimately, we all die anyway, so why bother? Jun 14 00:31:39 must be all guys with long hair Jun 14 00:32:01 speak of the devil Jun 14 00:32:19 mru: I think it's called a "highlight" Jun 14 00:32:28 the devil's in the highlight Jun 14 00:32:56 * mranostay handers out highlighters Jun 14 00:33:06 Kristina: how's your project coming along anyway? Jun 14 00:33:45 Hm, need to build kext tools so I can compile kernelcaches Jun 14 00:33:53 Because at this point, I need actual drivers Jun 14 00:34:13 I want to write an MMC driver. Jun 14 00:34:17 Doesn't look too bad. Jun 14 00:34:43 It probably looks easy up until the point where nothing actually works as you expect it to work. Jun 14 00:34:58 always does Jun 14 00:36:03 i never expect anything to work Jun 14 00:36:10 that's the spirit Jun 14 00:36:25 we need more of that healthy realism Jun 14 00:36:37 i wouldn't call it healthy but true Jun 14 00:36:46 truth kills Jun 14 00:36:50 My 10 hour battle with the DSS goes to show that. Jun 14 00:37:35 Or maybe I'm just dumb as shit. Jun 14 00:37:47 I would not like to think that. Jun 14 00:37:49 the dss is not to be taken lightly Jun 14 00:41:49 relevance is irrelevant Jun 14 00:42:10 the DSS is a fine creature Jun 14 00:42:35 so here's the dilemma... drink beer and write something about trolls, or drink beer and watch some crap on netflix? Jun 14 00:42:47 or drink beer and troll Jun 14 00:43:17 think you need stronger stuff then beer Jun 14 00:44:07 how's that? Jun 14 00:45:20 pure ethanol? Jun 14 00:45:28 ouch Jun 14 00:48:41 ds2: have you read my so-called blog lately? Jun 14 00:49:27 no Jun 14 00:49:34 don't even recall the URL Jun 14 00:49:47 http://hardwarebug.org/ Jun 14 00:50:45 Kristina: what's this DSS you talked about? Jun 14 00:50:55 display subsystem thing Jun 14 00:53:03 hmm, this meaning of the acronym is not on wikipedia :P Jun 14 00:53:42 Because it's a functional unit name of one chip series. Jun 14 00:53:42 found it on elinux Jun 14 00:53:50 It is probably not a common algorithm Jun 14 00:53:55 acronym Jun 14 00:55:26 mru: you have a blog? Jun 14 00:56:23 ah you started posting again Jun 14 00:59:17 mranostay: only when I have something to say Jun 14 01:05:06 coffee has worn off Jun 14 01:05:17 get more Jun 14 01:05:31 I considered it Jun 14 01:05:49 or beer Jun 14 01:05:54 but then I'd be too much like mranostay Jun 14 01:06:02 :) Jun 14 01:06:14 one's enough Jun 14 01:47:59 Sigh. Why did I bitbake the whole f-ing thing instead of just the kernel. Oh well, guess I'll go watch basketball. Jun 14 01:48:38 kaektech, you can always stop and start again :) Jun 14 01:48:43 or buy a faster machine Jun 14 01:49:06 * bradfa_ heads to bed, night night channel Jun 14 01:49:12 why did you bitbake the whole f-ing thing? Jun 14 01:52:48 lol Jun 14 01:52:54 Bitbake ALL THE THINGS! Jun 14 01:54:53 Dumb question: Does a prototyping cape like http://www.adafruit.com/products/572 made for the original 'bone work on the Black too? Jun 14 01:54:53 * ptl learning new words Jun 14 01:55:11 myself: there's a list of compatible capes for the beaglebone black Jun 14 01:56:05 http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Capes Jun 14 01:56:58 thank you Jun 14 01:57:36 huh... not that page Jun 14 01:58:03 this one: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Capes Jun 14 01:58:46 that implies no changes in the prototyping stuff, so should be good. Jun 14 01:59:22 I'm the electronics lab manager of the i3detroit hackerspace and not a beagle user myself yet, but I'm placing an order with adafruit and figured I "might as well" throw a proto cape in the beagle bin so it's there in case someone needs it.. Jun 14 01:59:49 so thank you for the advice :) it helps our users evetually.. heh Jun 14 02:05:18 holly crap, loving cmake. Jun 14 02:05:45 so friggin much. Jun 14 02:06:15 it's absurdly easy. Jun 14 02:06:28 (compared to handwritten make at least) Jun 14 02:35:00 myself: have we met up at i3? Jun 14 02:36:14 jkridner|work: I lurked around the perimeter of the last beagle meetup, but I don't know if we've chatted person-to-person much. I'm the long-haired guy who talks a lot at meetings. Jun 14 02:36:29 k. :-) Jun 14 02:36:44 oh, I'm Nate B. Jun 14 02:36:52 Putting a name to the handle. Hah. Jun 14 02:37:01 ah. that helps! Jun 14 02:37:40 the protocape doesn't do anything but give you an easy way to solder things up to the Black (or Bone). Jun 14 02:37:48 it is pretty handy. Jun 14 02:37:59 oh jkridner|work is here Jun 14 02:38:30 If you want to get HDMI on the Bone, you'll need an HDMI cape and a memory cape with eMMC. Jun 14 02:38:40 aaaaaaand it turns out adafruit is out of stock :p Jun 14 02:38:52 (though you'll never get the 1GHz and 512MB RAM on a Bone-white) Jun 14 02:39:01 even of the protocape? Jun 14 02:39:15 http://www.adafruit.com/products/572 Jun 14 02:39:20 the circuitco prototyping cape is handy in that it comes with a solderless breadboard and some wires. Jun 14 02:43:10 I can drop a protocape by next week when I come into the space. Jun 14 02:43:29 hi mranostay Jun 14 02:57:28 analysis paralysis :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 14 02:59:58 2013