**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 21 02:59:58 2013 Jun 21 03:00:05 because when I plug it in the monitor doesn't see it at all Jun 21 03:00:35 i think you have to use stuff like ubuntu-desktop Jun 21 03:00:41 baboo: I don't think the black has a tty over USB? Jun 21 03:00:53 i need it for screen Jun 21 03:00:59 ssh Jun 21 03:01:03 oh Jun 21 03:01:05 ok Jun 21 03:01:13 im used to the msp430 Jun 21 03:01:17 :D Jun 21 03:01:17 heh Jun 21 03:02:04 actually, i think soem of the older Beagles did have JTAG and maybe a login tty over the USB, but that's not in the black Jun 21 03:03:32 ...which reminds me once again that I really need to get an adapter for the "TTL" serial on the little header before I need to see the early boot messages again Jun 21 03:17:04 should we setup a bounty for the first person to verifiably wear out the flash on the BBB? Jun 21 03:22:01 evening Jun 21 03:25:00 ds2, i thought emmc didn't have wear problems Jun 21 03:29:44 agreve: :) Jun 21 03:35:36 heh Jun 21 03:35:48 special non-wearing flash memory Jun 21 03:36:21 ds2, you're a trick one. :P Jun 21 03:36:24 they call it MRAM :p Jun 21 03:36:35 formerly known as bubble memory Jun 21 03:36:39 formerly known as core Jun 21 03:37:30 * emeb_mac is holding out for the modern version of mercury acoustic memory. Jun 21 03:37:43 I want a few gigs of FRAM Jun 21 03:37:49 racetrack is pretty amusing Jun 21 03:37:51 on the same die as the SoC Jun 21 03:39:15 * _av500_ wants a steak sandwich Jun 21 03:40:43 TI has them on the 430's Jun 21 03:42:06 what's the term for the optical-fiber racetrack storage? it's hilarious, you shove a 10Gig laser on a few hundred km of fiber, and you've got several meg of data flying around. Receive it, regenerate it, retransmit it, and you've got juggler's photonic drum memory. :p Jun 21 03:43:00 <_av500_> now do the same with bouncing email Jun 21 03:43:12 <_av500_> no need for the expensive laser Jun 21 03:43:17 <_av500_> only a gmail account Jun 21 03:43:28 lmao Jun 21 03:43:41 anyone been successful in geting your bb black to run angrstom with a read-only root? Jun 21 03:44:00 <_av500_> cut the write pin on the emmc Jun 21 03:45:11 av500, thats a bit extreme! ;) no, really, aufs and unionfs are not present and you cant just remount RO. I was hoping to make my system be ok with unplanned power offs Jun 21 03:47:31 _av500_, that'll do it Jun 21 03:48:15 <_av500_> RyanMCD: so make it mount RO at boot Jun 21 03:48:55 av500, I did that. Angstrom told me to get lost (hard crash). Reflashing emmc now... Jun 21 03:56:39 baboo, you are NOT authorized to cut any pins.... Jun 21 03:56:48 :p Jun 21 03:57:04 i just want to have fun Jun 21 03:57:09 :D Jun 21 03:57:45 * ka6sox sits on baboo to make sure he doesnt' kill it... Jun 21 03:58:17 * baboo flings him to the moon Jun 21 03:58:32 I'm still bigger than you are :P Jun 21 03:58:37 :D Jun 21 03:58:55 ok, on to my question Jun 21 03:59:12 which got answered Jun 21 04:00:25 * ka6sox sends baboo to his room... Jun 21 04:01:18 waaa Jun 21 04:04:02 :D Jun 21 04:07:00 no takers huh? i'm beating myself up on this. i would have thought that someone would have been down this road before. Jun 21 04:08:38 RyanMCD: there a number of options to do that, however with the basic configuration of angstrom, it does require some type of read/writable fs, even if it is a ramdisk Jun 21 04:08:52 RyanMCD: why exactly do you want a read only fs? Jun 21 04:11:52 prpplague, I'm trying to protect the FS against improper shutdowns. basically, I will be using the beagleboard in a way where shutdown will consist of someone shutting off a power strip. (there is no chance for a reboot/shutdown command) Jun 21 04:16:20 RyanMCD: http://pastebin.com/D0nkMzhb Jun 21 04:16:43 There is one option that hasn't been discussed. Power it off, and don't re-power it. Jun 21 04:16:46 RyanMCD: you can make those changes to allow angstrom to be much more robust with unexpected power off Jun 21 04:18:22 RyanMCD: you can also setup a tempfs and set the default rootfs mount options as RO Jun 21 04:21:41 prpplague: I'm asking "the google" to explain nodelalloc. I see what it does, but not why it would help... do you have a 2 sentence explainer? Jun 21 04:24:04 is it basically disabling write caching? Jun 21 04:27:24 It is a good thing that it is about time to turn in, because I have the overwhelming desire to hack together a spark gap transmitter right now. Jun 21 04:48:47 i was just testing out vnc for my BBB Jun 21 04:49:51 [06:00:25] * ka6sox sends baboo to his room... Jun 21 04:50:00 you are only making it worse Jun 21 04:51:07 av500, why? Jun 21 05:05:54 grr finally got tftp boot working. turns out I had the tftp server slightly misconfigured. More of a directory permissions thing. Jun 21 05:06:05 good Jun 21 05:07:34 av500, you never said why... Jun 21 05:07:46 why? Jun 21 05:07:49 I was joking Jun 21 05:08:27 ah, okay... Jun 21 05:09:02 any tricks on getting HDMI working? booting from SD or default image I can't get my monitor to display Jun 21 05:09:08 beaglebone black Jun 21 05:09:32 leds blinking? Jun 21 05:09:36 what monitor? Jun 21 05:09:51 its a sceptre ,tv/monitor Jun 21 05:09:59 leds are solid right now not blinking Jun 21 05:10:31 but they were blinking? Jun 21 05:10:38 is that the flasher image on the card? Jun 21 05:10:48 no Jun 21 05:10:55 right now i just removed the card Jun 21 05:11:04 the card had debian on it Jun 21 05:11:07 ah Jun 21 05:11:16 well Jun 21 05:11:25 please use a stock angstrom image Jun 21 05:11:31 to check your HDMI Jun 21 05:11:38 then move on to debian Jun 21 05:11:52 in stock image it wakes up the monitor Jun 21 05:11:58 and led blink Jun 21 05:12:02 goo Jun 21 05:12:03 but nothing past that Jun 21 05:12:04 good Jun 21 05:12:30 fzombie: new image release tomorrow with updated HDMI support Jun 21 05:12:44 fzombie: watch the beagle mailing list for an announcement Jun 21 05:13:35 ok, i can wait 24 hours its not a huge deal Jun 21 05:14:00 for testing sake im going to throw it on a new monitor though Jun 21 05:15:36 oh it works on this asus monitor but the menu bars are way out of bounds Jun 21 05:15:39 so thats something Jun 21 05:18:03 overscan Jun 21 05:18:18 find a setting in your monitor to turn it off Jun 21 05:35:11 anyone here do some write speed tests? Jun 21 05:39:13 hand writing? Jun 21 05:39:31 * m_billybob giggles Jun 21 05:48:06 good enough > ---> http://pastebin.com/USBJTG7d Jun 21 05:49:04 over nfs? Jun 21 05:49:10 yeah Jun 21 05:49:36 i tweaked some parameters compared to your settings Jun 21 05:50:22 rsize=16384 wsize=16384 , also Im no using nolock Jun 21 05:50:28 not using* Jun 21 05:51:10 morning Jun 21 05:51:17 BEER?! Jun 21 05:51:34 evening :) Jun 21 05:51:51 yes but in moderate amounts was around coworkers :P Jun 21 05:52:18 av500: *sniff* another year toward 30 *sniff* Jun 21 05:52:30 young pup Jun 21 05:53:05 av500, that readback speed is what surprised me. write is slower than iscsi, but reads are faster Jun 21 05:53:25 reads/writes over iscsi are 11.5MB/s Jun 21 05:54:17 m_billybob: don't try to cheer me up :P Jun 21 05:54:24 hmm ? Jun 21 05:54:32 oh lol well you are a young pup Jun 21 05:55:18 i'm no one foot in the coffin av500 of course Jun 21 05:55:38 heh Jun 21 05:55:40 they are going to have to break his legs to fit him in too Jun 21 05:59:04 ah hmmm Jun 21 06:39:00 heyo, how do i view the system log on the beaglebone with 3.2 kernel? Jun 21 06:39:16 that's where i'm used to it being Jun 21 06:39:30 err...used to it being in /var/log/messages Jun 21 06:43:05 from windows is there some easy way to fix my sd card I used to flash the update to my beagleboard black? disk manager doesnt let me do anything with the partitions Jun 21 06:47:48 fix? Jun 21 06:48:01 there are image writer tools for windows Jun 21 06:48:20 if you want to see the actual content, install Linux in a VM Jun 21 06:49:15 i wrote the image then thought id be able to repartition the sd card to turn it back into a large fat32 again Jun 21 06:49:54 sure Jun 21 06:50:03 windows allows you to partition a card Jun 21 06:50:23 somewhere in the tools Jun 21 06:50:33 av500: *sniff* Jun 21 06:50:49 is that like pleading with the card? Jun 21 06:50:59 River Tam and Chuck Norris. Jun 21 06:51:14 hi ka6sox! Jun 21 06:51:46 mranostay: what now? Jun 21 06:51:57 av500: getting old(er) :P Jun 21 06:52:02 av500: getting old(er) :P Jun 21 06:53:01 from the department of redundancy department Jun 21 06:54:17 ka6sox: quiet you Jun 21 06:54:42 mranostay, "you can't make me" Jun 21 06:55:34 * mranostay outs ka6sox to Stasi^H^H^H^HNSA Jun 21 06:57:00 ok well windows for some reason didnt work, i had to boot my linux machine Jun 21 06:57:58 it is Windows it doesn't need a reason Jun 21 07:06:11 * russell-- tried out google glass tonight Jun 21 07:07:41 <_av500_> http://www.eetimes.com/design/communications-design/4416220/Intel-processor-outperforms-Nvidia--Qualcomm--Samsung-ICs Jun 21 07:10:09 their table confuses me Jun 21 07:10:18 is RAM a test? Jun 21 07:11:42 "up to half the current drain" Jun 21 07:11:51 I do like how all industry benchmarks compare unreleased silicon with silicon in existing, released, products Jun 21 07:11:52 wonder what the voltage was... Jun 21 07:12:04 its not like Intel is alone in that sort of marketing thing Jun 21 07:13:22 some say Intel? Jun 21 07:13:37 *someone Jun 21 07:13:42 Russ: how does one get access to competition's unreleased silicon? Jun 21 07:13:53 mranostay: go back to sleep, you are fine Jun 21 07:14:18 av500, you don't, but a fair comparison would be their q2 2013 smartphone Jun 21 07:14:37 that was not to shabby either Jun 21 07:14:40 +o Jun 21 07:15:07 and that k900 one can buy Jun 21 07:15:30 so it is released, no? Jun 21 07:16:08 as of about a week ago? Jun 21 07:16:40 well, I dont see the point of comparing it to last years silicon Jun 21 07:16:57 and S4 is fairly recent, both with samsung and QC inside Jun 21 07:17:13 they are free to release an update that smokes the intel SoC Jun 21 07:17:29 wait, do they seriously have a 10 inch tablet in the table? Jun 21 07:18:18 lalalalal Jun 21 07:18:31 you can't hear us? Jun 21 07:18:35 and a 7" tablet? Jun 21 07:18:50 Russ: ignore these Jun 21 07:18:53 just look as S4 Jun 21 07:19:35 I'm also curious what current is being measured Jun 21 07:19:47 ocean currents Jun 21 07:19:56 is it fine to do a stress test on a new BBB? Jun 21 07:20:11 there are many waves in the currents of culture Jun 21 07:20:28 depends on what you're stressing Jun 21 07:20:30 ? Jun 21 07:20:37 dont hit it too hard Jun 21 07:20:41 use a rubber hammer Jun 21 07:20:48 don't light it on fire Jun 21 07:22:20 well the board is warm to the touch just idling, and since it's passively cooled, is it fine to stress the processor? Jun 21 07:22:40 a wonderfull pre-caturday JIHAD! Jun 21 07:22:55 may the av500 grant everyone a nice FRIDAY Jun 21 07:23:02 amen Jun 21 07:23:46 eklo: go stress it Jun 21 07:23:54 KotH: granted! Jun 21 07:26:46 ah, the ARM fanboi comments Jun 21 07:27:15 \o/ Jun 21 07:27:28 the great av500 granted us a nice FRIDAY! Jun 21 07:27:51 Friday and B-DAY! Jun 21 07:28:08 * mranostay thinks KotH owes him a chocolate beer Jun 21 07:29:01 mranostay: floater Jun 21 07:30:00 <_av500_> haha: ...Performance aside, I am disappointed in the lack of professionalism in some of the comments. This is a professional site, please treat as such.... Jun 21 07:30:11 hey, where's the system log file on the beaglebone? Jun 21 07:30:18 * mranostay searchs for Hello Kitty iPhone backplates Jun 21 07:30:35 i'm having an fstab nfs mount problem, and i can't find the log file. Jun 21 07:30:36 ka6sox is shaking his head right now Jun 21 07:30:56 system log Jun 21 07:31:10 usually in /var/log/messages in most other linux computers Jun 21 07:31:15 /var/log/messages? Jun 21 07:31:19 doesn't exist. Jun 21 07:31:27 journald Jun 21 07:31:28 but this is angstromputer Jun 21 07:31:35 goes with systemd Jun 21 07:32:05 systemd to every home Jun 21 07:32:41 no system left behindd Jun 21 07:33:00 systemd seems pretty cool beans. Jun 21 07:33:19 the network-up hacks are pretty lame though. Jun 21 07:33:35 beans packed in a bad can Jun 21 07:33:41 altoid can Jun 21 07:34:10 journalctl is the magic commadn Jun 21 07:34:29 in colour where available Jun 21 07:34:53 av500: what Hello Kitty do I need Jun 21 07:34:54 ? Jun 21 07:35:03 ynezz: i think i have an old black and white ssh session. Jun 21 07:35:26 mranostay: I thought you had a kitty? Jun 21 07:35:38 logwhereareyou: take off that sunglasses Jun 21 07:35:51 pfft, lame. apparently fstab can't autocorrect network share names. Jun 21 07:35:55 i thought this was the future damnit! Jun 21 07:37:58 av500: no i need a iphone case Jun 21 07:38:14 and? Jun 21 07:39:37 that is it Jun 21 07:39:54 hm, how can be someone that drunk in 9am? Jun 21 07:40:19 being drunk all the time makes you lose a sense of time Jun 21 07:40:38 ynezz: not drunk Jun 21 07:40:44 having lost sense of time makes you drunk all the time? Jun 21 07:40:53 how dare you judge a timezone! Jun 21 07:41:07 we don't play that timezone games here Jun 21 07:41:23 not even 1a Jun 21 07:42:24 ynezz: hello kitty stuff is when i'm sober too :P Jun 21 07:43:00 mranostay: i didnt know you are a cute little asian girl Jun 21 07:43:35 i'm cute at least right? Jun 21 07:44:12 only if you are a little asian girl Jun 21 07:44:41 lets not go into this Jun 21 07:45:26 #beagle after dark Jun 21 07:45:33 mranostay: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/pinky-anela/3730927218/ Jun 21 07:46:00 av500: the context on this please -> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/195 Jun 21 07:46:13 bone Jun 21 07:46:17 as in beagle bone Jun 21 07:46:21 heard of it? Jun 21 07:46:33 nope i'm x86 all the way Jun 21 07:46:50 av500: that is pimp Jun 21 07:49:22 KotH: btw you going to ELC-E? Jun 21 07:50:20 hope so Jun 21 07:50:33 dont bother to bring hershey, i wont touch it ;) Jun 21 07:54:46 KotH: I will make you eat american chocolate! Jun 21 07:54:46 i'm getting "wrong fs type" when i try to put an nfs mount in fstab Jun 21 07:55:01 seems that the common fix for other distros is to install nfs-common...but opkg doesn't have it. Jun 21 07:55:15 mranostay: you will not take my FREEDOM from me Jun 21 07:55:16 anyone have nfs mounting on boot, after network comes up? Jun 21 07:57:54 i just want to mount an nfs dir when the network comes up. Jun 21 07:57:58 why is linux so hard still. :( Jun 21 08:01:05 * mranostay picutes a Saw movie with KotH and american chocolate Jun 21 08:01:07 lol, and the systemd page says " instead of wondering what to do ... please just fix your program" Jun 21 08:01:14 tell that to the fstab guys. Jun 21 08:01:34 * ka6sox shakes his head @ mranostay.... Jun 21 08:01:44 24 going on 13 Jun 21 08:02:29 ka6sox: thx Jun 21 08:03:01 mranostay, and Happy B-Day Jun 21 08:03:45 somehow I don't think that Kaylee Frye showing up at my house would make the Missus happy. Jun 21 08:12:38 does bbb already have opengles sw support? Jun 21 08:18:00 hi there, guys, i am trying to make xm work under gentoo. i am success compiled arm7a version of kernel. but i see only orange screen Jun 21 08:45:18 "Do you desire time proven technology? The meta-yocto-classic layer is now available from either the Yocto Project PVCS repository or in 38 3.5" floppies from Walnut Creek." Jun 21 08:45:51 moaning Jun 21 08:48:30 "Linux kernel 0.99pl14. No more worrying about loadable modules!" Jun 21 08:58:06 russell--: sounds like a winner :) Jun 21 08:58:40 s/winner/allwinner/ Jun 21 09:03:58 no idea whos or what time it is Jun 21 09:17:20 guys i need some help. whats means orange screen at the beagleboard-xm? Jun 21 09:20:36 defcon 3 Jun 21 09:20:42 enelar: I think the bootloader already sets orange Jun 21 09:20:44 no? Jun 21 09:21:04 so I guess it means your kernel did not start Jun 21 09:21:08 connect a serial and see Jun 21 09:21:13 a seerial :) Jun 21 09:24:43 av500: what i should connect to see it? Jun 21 09:25:17 3 wires Jun 21 09:25:41 or just two to "see" only Jun 21 09:26:08 ynezz, are you talk about RS-232 over COM port? Jun 21 09:26:37 yes Jun 21 09:28:38 av500, ynezz, and what i should connect to it? keyboard? Jun 21 09:29:17 no Jun 21 09:29:19 your PC Jun 21 09:29:29 over a serial port or a usb2serial adapter Jun 21 09:29:35 and then run minicom or so Jun 21 09:29:41 oy, with linux? and .. thanks Jun 21 09:29:43 ill try Jun 21 09:29:44 you will see boot loader and kernel logs Jun 21 09:29:55 any OS that has a terminal SW Jun 21 09:30:22 see you, depart to shop Jun 21 09:40:33 av500, /me prefers screen to minicom Jun 21 09:40:44 hi Jun 21 09:41:13 russell--: sure Jun 21 09:41:26 Hyperterm ftw Jun 21 09:41:32 seyon Jun 21 09:41:36 kermit! Jun 21 09:41:46 can you open a new serial device window in a running screen session? Jun 21 09:42:06 russell--: picocom is even better Jun 21 09:42:22 russell--: it does nothing but provide an stdout/stdin serial interface Jun 21 09:43:35 hi, can anyone tell me what could be the reason, that after insalling the debian image to bbb i can not apt-get install mono-runtime. it tells me that this package does not exist. but ist a std debian package Jun 21 09:43:56 one thing i don't like about screen is the inability to start another serial window once running (you can start multiple via a .screenrc) Jun 21 09:44:37 nap: using wrong repo, not containing the right sub-repos Jun 21 09:44:47 nap: thats a debian question, check http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mono-runtime Jun 21 09:44:50 nap: but that question belongs to #debian rather than #beagle Jun 21 09:45:15 #beagle-debian Jun 21 09:45:22 looks like mono doesn't work under armhf Jun 21 09:45:35 i have the normal debian wheezy repos. and that problem only occurs on my beagleboneblack. it works fine on other linux devices Jun 21 09:45:56 nap: what do your other linux devices run? Jun 21 09:46:06 it works on my bb with angstorm and it works on my raspberry with debian Jun 21 09:46:25 grab the binarys Jun 21 09:46:27 and on pc with debian Jun 21 09:46:28 and install Jun 21 09:46:29 nap: your debian on the raspberry will use armel, not armhf Jun 21 09:46:45 or even get the source, compile and install Jun 21 09:46:59 but still, #debian vs #beagle Jun 21 09:47:02 nap: https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7938 Jun 21 09:47:08 or rather #debian vs #JIHAD Jun 21 09:47:25 nap: if you really want mono, you can install debian armel on the bbb Jun 21 09:47:27 i was wondering as most of the mono packages are avaible but can not be installed because of the missing mono-runtime package Jun 21 09:48:14 Defiant: ah, ok, i'll give that a try Jun 21 09:49:44 btw: mono works on the raspberry with armhf and armel. i tried it. there are just a few bugs like the date command. Jun 21 10:02:51 can begal do had video and audio Jun 21 10:07:20 yes Jun 21 10:08:43 bagel? Jun 21 10:09:14 yes, you need a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster Jun 21 10:11:35 do you have one at home? Jun 21 10:13:47 no Jun 21 10:16:31 nap, you did apt-get update right ? then apt-cache search ? Jun 21 10:19:01 apt-cache search mono | grep runtime gives me around 10-15 hits Jun 21 10:26:50 m_billybob: his sources.list is probably just messed up, but he refuses to fix it Jun 21 10:27:40 KotH: mono-runtime has no armhf package Jun 21 10:30:06 av500: ah, that was the thing wesley crusher worked on Jun 21 10:36:39 weeeee -> monodevelop-monogame - Free implementation of XNA - IDE integration Jun 21 10:39:37 well dratt, got my envoirnment setup, now im going ot have to do something with it Jun 21 10:40:05 blink a cursor Jun 21 10:44:45 nah already did this a couple weeks ago - > http://pastebin.com/HY9gAVBk Jun 21 10:44:59 equally s simple Jun 21 10:45:09 equally as* Jun 21 10:48:54 probably need t ostart reading up on pinctrl Jun 21 11:32:48 m_billybob: no, sources.list is absolute clean. i double checked. nothing messes up. its a new installation. its exactly the same as all the sources.lists i found in the web Jun 21 11:33:39 KotH: m_billybob: no, sources.list is absolute clean. i double checked. nothing messes up. its a new installation. its exactly the same as all the sources.lists i found in the web Jun 21 11:34:29 m_billybob: apt-cache search retunrs a lot of mono stuff at my machine, too. but not mono-runtime. this is missing if i try to install one of the mone packages Jun 21 12:21:52 mourning, channel Jun 21 12:22:05 mourning it's not Jun 21 12:22:07 it's tgif Jun 21 12:24:48 anyone know where I can find the layout of the on-board EEPROM for the BeagleBone Black? I'm looking for something similar to the "Expansion Board EEPOM" table in the SRM but for the EEPROM that's on the BBB. Jun 21 12:32:20 FRIDAY!!!11!!!! Jun 21 12:32:40 !!!!11!!!YADIRF Jun 21 12:32:44 tcort, you can just dump the memory out of it, there's only a few bytes in there Jun 21 12:33:00 tcort, then take a look at the init code in u-boot Jun 21 12:33:12 the capemgr parses that too Jun 21 12:33:15 tcort, that's where it gets used Jun 21 12:33:26 ah, ok, didn't know (dont' use) capemanager, panto Jun 21 12:33:35 I don't use Jun 21 12:33:45 thanks bradfa, panto Jun 21 12:33:45 if you're using the latest kernels you do Jun 21 12:33:56 panto, you're funny, thinking I use latest kernels Jun 21 12:33:57 :) Jun 21 12:34:01 3.2PSP baby! Jun 21 12:34:08 my sympathies Jun 21 12:34:10 I'm a white boy Jun 21 12:34:44 rsn I'll be on more up to date codes, once I kang them Jun 21 12:34:50 kang all the codez Jun 21 12:35:16 hmm, nice Jun 21 12:35:58 * bradfa gets coffee to put in face Jun 21 12:37:14 Hey everyone, is there anyway I can make my bblack look like an hid device to my pc? Jun 21 12:37:49 adh88ca, usb gadget is your friend Jun 21 12:38:00 you might have to recompile the kernel with the right gadget support Jun 21 13:51:15 hi, I read that the beaglebone black provides access to the UART0 interface via a header. can I use this head directly for a RS-232 interface or do i need the rs-232 cape therefore? Jun 21 13:52:47 Mode_M: the uart0 is usually defined for use as a serial console Jun 21 13:53:10 Mode_M: if you need to use a uart for communication with a device, please select one of the many available on the expansion header Jun 21 13:54:06 Mode_M, all the uarts are TTL level interfaces anyway, so no diff Jun 21 13:54:12 Mode_M: also make sure you get the reference voltages right. the pin header does NOT carry RS-232C compliant levels and connecting it to such a port will damage the BBB Jun 21 13:54:17 Mode_M: yeah you can't interface RS232 directly since it uses +/- 10 or 12V voltage levels I think, it has to be a 3.3V CMOS level serial interface but the general data format is similar (8/N/1 asynchronous serial at 115200bps) Jun 21 13:54:24 ^ what everyone else said ;) Jun 21 13:54:30 ok, so apart from the uart that is used as a serial console it provides another uart that I can access via /dev/ttySx ? Jun 21 13:54:51 not out of the box, but using device tree overlays or the necessary capes it can (/dev/ttyOx) Jun 21 13:54:56 argh. okay. Jun 21 13:55:06 Mode_M, yes, SoC provides 5, the connectors have 3 routed to them Jun 21 13:55:51 so the rs-232 cape also takes care of the right voltage level? Jun 21 13:56:13 yep Jun 21 13:56:39 from what I can gather at a quick look at the circuitco wiki page, it has the level shifter IC to do all that for ya Jun 21 13:56:52 ok. thank you. you help me a lot. Jun 21 14:24:56 happy kanging friday Jun 21 14:53:49 mourning Jun 21 14:55:18 hi ka6sox Jun 21 14:55:59 howdy panto Jun 21 14:56:05 * panto bows Jun 21 14:56:14 * ka6sox wonders why? Jun 21 14:56:34 panto, no coffee here yet :/ Jun 21 14:56:36 bad back Jun 21 14:56:42 not really :) Jun 21 14:56:45 ah Jun 21 14:59:35 the uncaffeinated life, how can it be worth living? Jun 21 15:14:03 okay got caffeine Jun 21 15:14:08 feeling better? Jun 21 15:14:37 KotH, not yet...needs to kick in Jun 21 15:15:04 and a Happy Friday JIHAD to you. Jun 21 15:15:58 gesundheit Jun 21 15:16:35 * KotH kills martinm Jun 21 15:16:48 ka6sox: ok, sit back, enjoy your coffee and wait for the flash ;) Jun 21 15:16:52 prism have seen that... Jun 21 15:18:20 busiest TOR node in the world is in Ft. Meade :) Jun 21 15:19:25 * KotH wonders how TOR deals with criminal activity Jun 21 15:22:31 can I be on topic here for a minute without being pummeled? Jun 21 15:22:45 KotH: I think it just disavows any knowledge Jun 21 15:23:19 pummeling is not just a hobby here, you know Jun 21 15:23:37 ka6sox: sure Jun 21 15:23:53 ka6sox: we will just shun you Jun 21 15:23:55 if I have an existing DTS that is working fine but I want to add a few pins to it...do I make a new DTS or mod the old one... Jun 21 15:24:21 martinm: well...helping criminals is a criminal offense in most countries, even if you deny all knowledge about it Jun 21 15:24:41 specifically I want to add some McASP clock outputs Jun 21 15:24:52 didn't say it was a foolproof approach Jun 21 15:25:20 * ka6sox is asking best practices now...not technical. Jun 21 15:25:21 ka6sox, just make a copy Jun 21 15:25:34 this is for your own h/w correct? Jun 21 15:26:05 its to use external i2s by connecting up to the Cape...so external HW yes. Jun 21 15:26:45 panto, the onboard doesn't have to be disabled (not that I could figure out how to disable the onboard audio yet anyways... Jun 21 15:26:50 ) Jun 21 15:27:16 ka6sox, if you load a cape that uses the pins it will be disabled Jun 21 15:27:25 the new kernel is clever about it Jun 21 15:27:32 there are two HDMI capes Jun 21 15:27:37 one with audio and one without Jun 21 15:27:52 what we want is to leave the HDMI alone, but add external audio. Jun 21 15:28:03 but the current driver is intertwined. Jun 21 15:28:04 if you hog the audio pins only the non-audio cape will be loaded Jun 21 15:28:22 ka6sox, that covers your case Jun 21 15:28:23 okay so I need to hack the existing dTS Jun 21 15:28:29 no, you don't Jun 21 15:28:48 do you have a checkout of the most recent beaglebone kernel? Jun 21 15:28:57 * ka6sox pulls Jun 21 15:29:16 checkout cape-boneblack-hdmin-00A0.dts Jun 21 15:29:53 you will see that the mcasp is not defined at all Jun 21 15:29:54 yes Jun 21 15:30:04 no audio Jun 21 15:30:41 okay..let me play with this when I get back from the mountain. Jun 21 15:39:57 I want to do something like netcat http://... | tar ... on the black. Does Angstrom have netcat available? Is there something less firehosey than opkg list to see what's available? Jun 21 15:42:03 oh, it has curl, okay. never mind Jun 21 15:43:34 afk for bit Jun 21 15:47:31 ka6sox: mountain? Jun 21 15:47:59 yes, those things made from Granite? Jun 21 15:49:40 bradfa, ping? Jun 21 15:56:49 right; the weekend has arrived, have a good one everyone! Jun 21 15:57:19 you too jackmitchell! Jun 21 16:00:39 ka6sox, pong but I only have a few minutes Jun 21 16:01:10 bradfa: where is my #fuzzyday photo? Jun 21 16:01:18 the devices arrived, I don't think a photo can do justice to what I saw.... Jun 21 16:01:21 mranostay, working on that! Jun 21 16:01:29 ka6sox, how so? Jun 21 16:01:45 there are 3 impressions in the Envelope Jun 21 16:01:53 ka6sox, oh, fedex football, eh? Jun 21 16:02:10 where it ran thru the sorting machines along the way Jun 21 16:02:17 heh Jun 21 16:02:31 each of the pins has its *own* outline Jun 21 16:03:00 I will test today and see :) Jun 21 16:03:32 bradfa, mranostay I will send an appropriately fuzzy picturew Jun 21 16:04:08 best b-day present i could ask for Jun 21 16:04:40 mranostay, happy happy happy Jun 21 16:05:00 what, better than the pending announcement of the new Hamms Hershey Beer? Jun 21 16:05:22 what!? Jun 21 16:05:33 chocolate beer? Jun 21 16:05:45 X-p Jun 21 16:06:01 baboo, no beer for you! Jun 21 16:06:09 i agree Jun 21 16:06:25 i would hate beer or chocolate beer Jun 21 16:06:30 and i do Jun 21 16:06:53 what is wrong with beer? Jun 21 16:07:07 drunk drivers Jun 21 16:07:08 smells rich and complex, tastes like piss Jun 21 16:07:33 you are clearly drinking the wrong stuff Jun 21 16:07:40 * baboo is gagging Jun 21 16:07:47 and how do you know what piss tastes like exactly? Jun 21 16:08:00 i know what it is Jun 21 16:08:01 been there, heard that, the "right stuff" is no better IME. Jun 21 16:08:15 i'd rather have root beer Jun 21 16:08:28 which isn't actual beer Jun 21 16:08:28 they make an alcoholic version of that too :P Jun 21 16:08:42 ayiee Jun 21 16:08:44 hard cider can be interesting Jun 21 16:08:53 i like apple cider Jun 21 16:09:00 hard cider? Jun 21 16:09:09 that's a solid Jun 21 16:09:10 fermented until it kicks Jun 21 16:09:29 baboo, you have much to learn Jun 21 16:09:35 i know Jun 21 16:09:59 okay, go to your room and finish the pinmux app... Jun 21 16:10:15 alcohol.sh:1:kill -9 Jun 21 16:12:56 ah, I'd forgotten - the usage changed here during Prohibition. American "cider" is an unfermented juice, and what most (?) of the rest of the world still calls just "cider" is, here, "hard cider". more or less. Jun 21 16:13:22 Wacky. Jun 21 16:13:44 The 'quality' cider industry in the UK is having problems. Jun 21 16:13:45 the usage or Prohibition? (hint: trick question, proper answer is "yes") Jun 21 16:14:07 As it's become the tipple of the disposessed who like to drink 3l bottles of it in the street. Jun 21 16:14:30 mama mia! that's a lotta cider! Jun 21 16:14:55 And tax measures to reduce the occurance of this cause issues with the decent end of the market, that tries to sell on other things than 'will make you fall down cheap' Jun 21 16:15:33 kind of like Tijuana Tequila Jun 21 16:19:06 * mranostay thinks this off topic is off to a good start Jun 21 16:20:08 * baboo wonders if the beagleboards want some cider Jun 21 16:20:23 I hope it doesn't spoil your day to learn that I'm writing a Debian image to the SD while this chit-chat happens :-) Jun 21 16:20:26 Boris looks like he can party Jun 21 16:20:46 i've got a debian image right now Jun 21 16:21:03 that i want to put onto my BBB Jun 21 16:21:41 for minecraft :D Jun 21 16:21:50 minecraft pi edition Jun 21 16:22:45 i forget is mincraft open source or not? Jun 21 16:23:20 why baboo? why why? Jun 21 16:24:31 well if you count modding, yes Jun 21 16:24:41 you can see the source Jun 21 16:25:02 just not contibute to it Jun 21 16:30:41 baboo, app first, then minecraft Jun 21 16:31:56 ok Jun 21 16:31:58 ! Jun 21 16:48:52 ka6sox: you know this baboo dude? Jun 21 16:49:11 :D Jun 21 16:49:14 of course Jun 21 16:49:20 he's me Jun 21 16:49:22 no Jun 21 16:49:27 not really Jun 21 16:49:38 we do know each other Jun 21 16:51:07 ka6sox, in the pinmux tables at exlinux.org there are no lcd pins Jun 21 16:51:16 in mine there are Jun 21 17:04:06 speaking of pinmux... in TI's docs they talk about iosets that are valid (validated?) configurations. Is that a further limit we have to watch out for in addition to pin overloading when configuring the black? The docs I've seen are kind vague, and the sets only seem to be documented in a windows/.net app? Jun 21 17:14:33 mranostay, yes, I've known him for over 11yrs Jun 21 17:14:42 :D Jun 21 17:19:17 baboo, see gchat Jun 21 17:20:19 ok Jun 21 17:20:23 baboo and martinm: I got my beaglebone working properly this morning using the 6-20 image. The biggest difference this time is that when I flashed the mmc, I used an external power supply instead of the usb power Jun 21 17:20:48 baboo, come get the power supply Jun 21 17:21:05 ok Jun 21 17:22:22 ka6sox: are you now bringing friends to gang up on us? Jun 21 17:24:46 maybe... Jun 21 17:26:41 Is there Weston support for Beaglebone in Openembedded Core git ? Jun 21 17:27:38 Wayland, I mean Jun 21 17:35:38 probably not Jun 21 17:35:44 but you may try Jun 21 17:35:56 if in doubt, allways apply koen's rule #3 Jun 21 17:36:34 im listening :-) Jun 21 17:37:07 oh. try Jun 21 17:39:07 ka6sox: wait you let your son in #beagle? :) Jun 21 17:39:40 yeah Jun 21 17:40:36 baboo: welcom to #beagle. Jun 21 17:40:46 thx for the html Jun 21 17:40:51 if at {`gen-ordinals --text`} you don't succeed, try again Jun 21 17:41:07 baboo: so what is your views on dimly lit bridges? Jun 21 17:42:10 thanx Jun 21 17:43:30 mranostay, what? Jun 21 17:43:39 It is good to run Debian Jun 21 17:43:52 yes Jun 21 17:44:01 baboo: pro tip: mranostay lurks under on of them Jun 21 17:44:05 one Jun 21 17:44:20 ok] Jun 21 17:45:04 okay, back to making lunch Jun 21 17:45:08 ok Jun 21 17:45:59 no trolling gene it seems Jun 21 17:46:33 Catfacts enabled Jun 21 17:47:10 did you know cats can have two x chromozones and one y at the same time? Jun 21 17:49:50 CatFacts, Jun 21 17:50:01 ah, not a bot :( Jun 21 17:50:20 Prrrrrrrrrrrr... Jun 21 17:50:57 * emeb surfs to the KittenCam for a dose of teh qute. Jun 21 17:51:14 Catnip works only on most cats, not all Jun 21 17:51:28 it oly works on about 80% Jun 21 17:53:57 define works Jun 21 17:54:01 'It takes three and a half kittens to make a set of ladies mittens' Jun 21 17:54:19 hey Jun 21 17:54:32 works meaning "has an effect" Jun 21 17:54:45 get high you mean :) Jun 21 17:56:11 ^-^ i guess Jun 21 17:56:58 What sort of cat fact is most dangerous? A cat a fact. Jun 21 17:57:50 * SpeedEvil suspects 0 people will get that. Jun 21 17:58:10 i didnt Jun 21 17:58:23 even though i am a ca Jun 21 17:58:26 cat Jun 21 17:58:34 i hate typing Jun 21 17:58:52 my paws aren't good for that Jun 21 17:59:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataphract Jun 21 18:00:08 oh :3 Jun 21 18:00:08 "catlike typing detected" Jun 21 18:00:36 :30 Jun 21 18:00:43 mew Jun 21 18:01:56 i like asssssssscii art Jun 21 18:03:12 did you know that seeing pictures of baby cats makes you have better hand-eye coordination? Jun 21 18:05:00 we are siamese if you please... Purrrrrrrrr... Jun 21 18:08:37 i am part of the C.I.A Jun 21 18:08:55 Cat Investigators Association Jun 21 18:09:09 we like GoPros Jun 21 18:11:32 bye.... Purrr... Jun 21 18:13:59 hi! i have an issue with an AUDIO cape. is anybody here that owns that cape and has it working? thanks Jun 21 18:15:06 is it with the BeagleBone Black Jun 21 18:15:09 ? Jun 21 18:15:36 The regular audio cape doesn't work because of the HDMI audio Jun 21 18:15:45 on the BBB Jun 21 18:16:07 baboo: yes. hdmi emmc etc. disabled in uEnv.txt Jun 21 18:16:28 baboo: the problem is that the board reports as dvi and audio cape Jun 21 18:17:05 that i have no idea Jun 21 18:17:09 sorry Jun 21 18:17:25 i just got a BBB on Monday Jun 21 18:17:27 baboo: i think the EEPROM has some wrong values in it Jun 21 18:17:32 i think Jun 21 18:17:35 i read with od -t c /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/at24/1-0054/eeprom Jun 21 18:18:02 i wonder if anyone with an audio cape could dump the cape's eeprom and send it to me to fix .. :) Jun 21 18:18:26 i wish i had at least one cape:( Jun 21 18:18:45 i would want the breadboard one Jun 21 18:19:40 baboo: :) Jun 21 18:19:53 hello Jun 21 18:20:42 using audio cape, anyone? Jun 21 18:21:09 does anyone here know how can we get started with the beagleboard ??? Jun 21 18:21:29 board or bone? Jun 21 18:23:27 beaglebone black Jun 21 18:23:36 if I wanted to replace an arduino in a quadcopter (that I haven't even built yet, actually) would I be stuck doing arm assembly or is there a barebones firmware on which I can run existing i2c libraries, etc Jun 21 18:23:42 (for a beaglebone black) Jun 21 18:24:11 (realtime, if that needs to be specified) Jun 21 18:26:03 ??? Jun 21 18:26:07 Naveen_: did you try http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started ? Jun 21 18:26:17 yeah try that Jun 21 18:28:12 alright..thanx mate...i m new to this project Jun 21 18:28:25 you're welcome Jun 21 18:36:44 baboo, a little less chatting, a little more coding :P Jun 21 18:36:59 ok Jun 21 18:37:14 i'm helping someone with the launchpad Jun 21 18:37:25 on #43oh Jun 21 19:00:23 * wmat eyes a trs-80 coco and a BBB and wonders if he can mate them :/ Jun 21 19:01:08 sounds like a match made in heaven Jun 21 19:01:12 the coco is a 6800? Jun 21 19:01:16 6809E Jun 21 19:01:33 ds2: !! Jun 21 19:01:47 with some kind of parallel interface in the cartridge slot I think, along with a cassette serial interface and some other serial if Jun 21 19:02:19 mranostay: you don't think I deal with non ARM stuff? :) Jun 21 19:02:20 cassette! the flakiest program loader mechanism ever! Jun 21 19:02:43 I was quite relieved when I managed to find a floppy drive for that old thing. Jun 21 19:02:47 how did that thing do video out? Jun 21 19:02:52 composite out Jun 21 19:02:53 Spirilis: I was thinking something video related Jun 21 19:03:01 dedicated chip like the atari and C64? Jun 21 19:03:06 yeah I think so. Jun 21 19:03:14 or cycle stealing like the Sinclaire? Jun 21 19:03:16 it had some strange do-everything chip called the SAM chip I think Jun 21 19:03:23 not sure Jun 21 19:03:26 i think that was the coco3 Jun 21 19:03:39 ...so that's where the green eggs and ham came from Jun 21 19:04:22 haha I wonder if you could interface the BBW's eMMC interface with the coco's parallel cartridge slot port Jun 21 19:04:27 with level shifters Jun 21 19:05:02 they are completely different Jun 21 19:05:11 :D Jun 21 19:05:12 GPMC is or GPIO is the closest beast Jun 21 19:05:20 yeah guess so Jun 21 19:05:23 PRU? ;) Jun 21 19:05:53 easy way to load pirated coco game cartridges onto the real hardware Jun 21 19:06:40 you saw the stuff some guy was doing to emulate a disk drive for the atari? Jun 21 19:06:47 nah Jun 21 19:06:49 sounds neat Jun 21 19:06:50 the underlying storage is SD Jun 21 19:06:56 yeah Jun 21 20:14:59 how can i launch a script whenever an interface comes up? Jun 21 20:15:43 http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromManual says there should be a configuration file in /etc/network/ where you can specify a "post-up" script to run Jun 21 20:15:47 but, that path doesn't exist. Jun 21 20:17:09 is there some systemd way to run something when the network comes up? Jun 21 20:18:00 i don't see networkmanager, or anything systemd related to connman, so i don't see how this would be possible. Jun 21 20:19:02 i'd install switch to from connman to networkmanager, but i can only assume that'll break everything. Jun 21 20:19:07 time to go now Jun 21 20:19:17 have a great weekend all Jun 21 20:19:22 byez! Jun 21 20:23:24 <_Sy_> Hi Jun 21 20:24:46 <_Sy_> Everyone out? Jun 21 20:25:10 * vvu is hiding in plain sight Jun 21 20:25:18 <_Sy_> :) Jun 21 20:33:18 <_Sy_> This is fun Jun 21 20:36:37 * KotH is over and out Jun 21 20:39:09 every time i look at a new oper-source api or message protocol, i fear that i'm either insane, stupid, or simple minded. Jun 21 20:39:32 but then i realize that the vast majority of them are absolutel clustef*!@# of stupidity and ineptitude. :D Jun 21 20:39:56 with a bunch of alternatives available, because so many people agree. Jun 21 20:40:53 and *sometimes* I can stop this repeating event and find one that works as advertised and/or has at least a page worth of non-source documentation. Jun 21 20:44:25 <_Sy_> Hello again, I'm compiling a project on the beaglebone black and seeing a lot of "warning: cast increases required alignment of target type [-Wcast-align]"....no errors just lots of warnings...is this serious? Jun 21 20:52:08 hello can somebody help me connect my beagleboard black to os x mountain lion. I have installed drivers and the lights are flashing on the board, but I cannot connect to the board Jun 21 20:52:10 Sy, what does the code look like? Jun 21 20:52:11 pastebin? Jun 21 20:52:31 through usb Jun 21 20:52:36 starter, do you see the mass storage device? Jun 21 20:52:50 yes Jun 21 20:54:15 <_Sy_> hold on will try and find an excert Jun 21 20:55:12 <_Sy_> starter, have you installed ssh? Jun 21 20:55:18 starter111: you installed the network and serial drivers? Jun 21 20:55:44 yes I did Jun 21 20:56:03 install the drivers Jun 21 20:56:09 im not sure what you mean install ssh Jun 21 20:56:37 do you have an SSH client? Jun 21 20:57:26 starter111: so http://192.168.7.2/ doesn't work? Jun 21 20:57:35 <_Sy_> opkg install ssh Jun 21 20:57:38 I'm not sure you actually need any of those drivers with the black: it doesn't have some of the USB widgets that other beagles implement, just the virtual network and the storage device Jun 21 20:57:55 <_Sy_> then use an ssh client to connect to it. Jun 21 20:58:16 _Sy_ I'm sorry, but that's not needed or useful at least with a black Jun 21 20:58:17 martinm: that's what the drivers are for :P Jun 21 20:58:40 martinm: i'd keep that opinion about ssh to yourself. Jun 21 20:58:44 <_Sy_> I only use ssh to connect to my BBB and winSCP. Jun 21 20:58:57 <_Sy_> and Putty Jun 21 20:59:38 starter111: did anything come up at that address? Jun 21 20:59:41 pru_evtout_2, the page opens but it does not say it is connected in green at the top of the screen Jun 21 21:00:29 and to sy, i typed your command into bash and it did not recognize command Jun 21 21:00:58 <_Sy_> Are you still running Angstrom on the black? Jun 21 21:01:55 hmm, i literally took the board out of box, connected it to macbook pro, installed drivers, and thats it Jun 21 21:01:59 starter111: that page is running from a webserver on the beaglebone, so you're at least mostly connected :) Jun 21 21:02:04 starter111: check out the http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm Jun 21 21:02:16 <_Sy_> sorry, my mistake, you actually want "opkg install openssh-ssh" Jun 21 21:02:23 pru_evtout_2: have you ever had a black? it comes with the ssh server installed and running Jun 21 21:02:54 opkg isn't going to do anything for a host running OS/X, y'know Jun 21 21:02:55 martinm: what's your point. you need a client to talk to the server. Jun 21 21:03:03 koen? Jun 21 21:03:18 I guess my point is read and understand the context before mouthing off, pru Jun 21 21:03:32 anyone here to help me use wifi on boot on the BBB? Jun 21 21:03:42 <_Sy_> Putty works well Jun 21 21:04:05 martinm: uhh...Sy said you can use an ss client to connect to it, and you said that's not useful. wtf you talkin about willis? Jun 21 21:04:30 I said it wasn't useful to install ssh with opkg Jun 21 21:05:05 maybe i can be more specific with my problem. I need to use beagleboard black with eclipse . We had instructions on how to add it as remote system i eclipse from my class and i have done that Jun 21 21:05:06 ah, i see, IRC reordering.... guess you had to be watching to figure out the simultaneous typing Jun 21 21:05:07 that's great, but not the context of my sentence. Jun 21 21:05:30 <_Sy_> I would suggest going to http://beaglebone.org and reading the getting started pages, I'm pretty sure it guides you through setting up and connecting with ssh. Jun 21 21:06:04 however, when I try to connect to it, I am getting the error as follows: Failed to connect sshd on "192.168.7.2:22" Session.connect: java.net.SocketException: Connection reset Jun 21 21:10:11 starter111: hrmm, that's strange. Jun 21 21:10:34 where are you seeing that? on the web console interface thing? Jun 21 21:11:08 its coming up as a popup error message in eclipse Jun 21 21:11:17 and when i try to ssh to it in terminal Jun 21 21:11:41 it says: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host Jun 21 21:12:08 well, your drivers and whatnot are working. sounds like a different problem. i'd say go to that starter page and grab the latest beagelbone image. Jun 21 21:12:38 development is pretty crazy fast right now, so keeping with the latest image is a pretty good idea. Jun 21 21:15:00 is it difficult to install new image onto beaglebone black? Jun 21 21:15:04 im not sure how to do it Jun 21 21:16:06 starter111: it's all at that link: http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm#update Jun 21 21:55:04 so I've attempted with multiple versions of the eMMC flasher now, they all kernel panic. http://pastebin.com/yZLfLKHk Jun 21 21:59:32 one possible issue: are you running off USB for the flashing? That can be marginal if the port is strict about the nominal 500 mA limit Jun 21 22:00:30 errr, bone or bone black? Jun 21 22:01:20 martinm: bb black. not running on usb power -- brick power with a usb->serial terminal. Jun 21 22:01:37 so much for any easy fix :-( Jun 21 22:01:59 martinm: thanks for the idea tho! Jun 21 22:03:39 there seem to be a lot of flash fails lately - had two who dropped in at the same time last evening. at least one was happy today after fetching the new 6/20 image and using an external power source. 6/6 does seem to show up in these reports a lot Jun 21 22:04:24 where is the 6/20 image? it didn't seem to be linked from the main page. Jun 21 22:04:39 but also fwiw, I think I had the same problem with the 2 prior to 6/6 Jun 21 22:05:56 heh - I haven't flashed anything yet - installed Debian on the uSD and that seems to be working nicely, may just leave it that way with the as-shipped 5/20 in flash. Jun 21 22:07:26 updates page, 6/20 is the first image (down past some general directions) http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software Jun 21 22:10:46 cool, thanks for the pointer. Jun 21 22:19:23 * XorA kicks u-boot and bone Jun 21 22:24:06 FFS when did booting get so broken :-( Jun 21 22:25:20 it's different but seems not so bad, really Jun 21 22:33:46 * XorA is about ready to punt all his arm boards in the river now, including the beagle! Jun 21 22:37:00 Hi all, I wanna know what is the difference between v2.6.37_OMAPPSP_04.02.00.07(arago) and v2.6.37 vanilla kernel? Both kernel are available on yocto project for BB-xM Jun 21 22:37:49 I'd suggest providing a box for you to toss them into, but as I ought to have guessed from your use of "punt" we're too far apart for that to be practical :-/ Jun 21 22:38:51 martinm: well as I cant get anything to boot, I might use an alternative boot on them all Jun 21 22:39:00 * XorA has pretty much wasted a week on this now Jun 21 22:42:42 ah FFS accessing MMC causes u-boot to die, well at least now I can work around that Jun 21 22:42:44 The beagleboard-xM has a DSP which is immensely useful, as best I can see that is not present on the beaglebone black, is it? Jun 21 22:43:39 Ademan-work: you can use the PRU's Jun 21 22:43:45 nope, different SOCs. black does have PRU Jun 21 22:44:18 that's the real time stuff right? Jun 21 22:44:43 yep Jun 21 22:45:21 programmable real time unit(PRU) Jun 21 22:45:51 XorA: on the black bone, yes, the little FAT partition is a vital part of the boot process if you're booting from emmc Jun 21 22:46:25 koen: can you help me? Jun 21 22:47:19 martinm: I think you misunderstand me, loading a file from MMC is causing u-boot to die horribly when you try and bootz/bootm Jun 21 22:47:40 the requirements are well described in TI's Tech Ref manual spruh73, and in fact that's what loads u-boot, so you could replace the latter if you wish :-) Jun 21 22:48:25 it can be done w/o the little FAT partition, IIRC Jun 21 22:48:27 hmmm... could be, you didn't say just how it was trying to access it Jun 21 22:49:03 martinm: I think you mistake me for a newb :-D Jun 21 22:49:20 yeah, there are a boatload of boot options, but I thought the ones that boot from mmc all used FAT. then again, i was just trying to understand how the shipped stuff worked Jun 21 22:50:30 What I was interested in doing was using the DSP to accelerate OpenCV as described here: https://code.google.com/p/opencv-dsp-acceleration/ I still haven't dived in deep enough to know whether or not the PRU will be any help with something like that. iirc it *can* access main memory (but does it have performance implications?) and does it run at a clock speed quick enough to be helpful? Jun 21 22:50:33 the ROM code can also look for a bootloader in the MBR, IIRC Jun 21 22:51:40 XorA: well, after losing only a week to trying top boot on ARM I *might* harbor some suspicion you're still on the learning curve for that :-) Jun 21 22:52:50 martinm: well in this week I have gone through Arndale (early printk doesnt work so no use to me), armv8 foundation model, armv7 fast model, pandaboard, boardboard C3 :-D Jun 21 22:53:11 XorA: what are you trying to do? Jun 21 22:53:40 ds2: have an issue in my code in somewhere between "early" and UART driver coming online I need to debug Jun 21 22:54:00 ds2: but Im finding linux is in a piss poor state on a lot of boards :-( Jun 21 22:54:35 XorA: sure the UART driver isn't foobared? Jun 21 22:54:41 ds2: yes Jun 21 22:54:43 i.e. clocks not being reconfigured right Jun 21 22:54:50 what chip? Jun 21 22:55:32 ds2: Exynos was where I first hit problem, I though no issue, Ill switch to panda and try there only to find panda doesn't reliable boot from DTB :-( Jun 21 22:56:13 Ademan-work: you can use NEON optimization , take at look: http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone/blog/2013/06/01/bbb-neon-and-making-tintin-bigger Jun 21 22:58:17 tholm: yeah that's what I'll be doing if I can't offload any of this to another portion of the chip. I was kind of hoping I could get a performance win by shipping some stuff off the main processor Jun 21 22:58:49 ds2: now I hit craziness that loading a uEnv.txt from mmc on the bone white will make u-boot data abort when you boot kernel Jun 21 23:00:52 * XorA will now remember to add bootargs to built in config :-) Jun 21 23:02:01 * mranostay waves to XorA Jun 21 23:02:10 hey mr Jun 21 23:02:14 hey mranostay Jun 21 23:03:57 XorA: how is the Linaro? Jun 21 23:04:47 mranostay: is cool, except the bits where its a PITA :-D Jun 21 23:05:46 XorA: any. job. ever. :) Jun 21 23:07:26 what no mmc in the bone dtb :-( Jun 21 23:20:21 koen: get your upstreaming mojo on Jun 21 23:24:07 I'm trying to connect a 3.3 V ftdi converter cable (specifically this: http://wickeddevice.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=117) to my beagle bone black. Does anyone have a tutorial, a pointer to a pinout or any other general help? Also, just as a sanity check, the levels are right and I can do this the way I think I can? Jun 21 23:36:44 ahah, ACPI added to bone u-boot :_D Jun 21 23:39:48 XorA: sounds horrible :) Jun 21 23:40:02 mranostay: coming to devices near you soon ;-) Jun 21 23:40:19 XorA: i work at Intel now so all devices have that now :P Jun 21 23:40:39 mranostay: so will arm devices next year Jun 21 23:41:02 doing ACPI in DT sound funny :) Jun 21 23:41:17 mranostay: not in DT, instead of DT Jun 21 23:41:39 why would anyone do such a thing? :) Jun 21 23:41:48 UEFI? Jun 21 23:42:05 mranostay: OEMs want it Jun 21 23:42:16 hi Jun 21 23:42:44 mranostay: might want to join the -gsoc channel as well. poor students like me left all alone :p Jun 21 23:42:58 not exactly. just not pinging anyone directly. yet :) Jun 21 23:43:20 Can you explain a bit about the new dts file that replaced the simpler board file method.. Jun 21 23:43:28 av500: http://reader.aol.com/ Jun 21 23:43:43 http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_and_the_3.8_Kernel is difficult to digest all of a sudden.. Jun 21 23:46:21 i'm sure the elinux wiki has some details Jun 21 23:46:51 I'm trying and going through it Jun 21 23:46:58 Too many words! Grog angry! Jun 21 23:47:10 +1! Jun 21 23:47:30 mranostay: quick question? Jun 21 23:47:50 does the bone dts file depend on the generic am335-EVM one? Jun 21 23:48:27 I see the bone black depends on the am33xx.dts and the bone-common one. but I dont see any link to the am335x-evm file. Hence. no link? Jun 21 23:48:44 so if i happen to add an ADC binding in the evm file. its useless!? Jun 21 23:49:11 emeb: what software did you design the BCC cape in Jun 21 23:49:35 mrpackethead: gEDA + PCB Jun 21 23:49:44 you wouldn't do it there Jun 21 23:49:47 evm != bbb Jun 21 23:50:25 great. at least found a possible bug.. now to fix it. Jun 21 23:50:35 im just designing another "cape" that stacks ontop of the BCC Jun 21 23:50:39 mranostay: thanks Jun 21 23:50:47 ZubairLK: what project are you working on? Jun 21 23:50:49 and i wanted to know where to put the 24 pin header Jun 21 23:50:55 gsoc. Jun 21 23:51:02 what project? Jun 21 23:51:06 not what summer program Jun 21 23:51:13 mrpackethead: the full design database is in the git repo Jun 21 23:51:16 ADC / IIO patchwork Jun 21 23:51:26 oh... then you are stick with DT Jun 21 23:51:35 emeb: i might just pull hte location data from teh gerbers Jun 21 23:51:37 3.8 kernel tree and beyond.. Jun 21 23:51:43 that is upstreaming so you need to make it upstream friendly Jun 21 23:51:47 mrpackethead: that's easy Jun 21 23:51:57 can't go back to the good ol stable days of 2.6.32 :p Jun 21 23:52:11 think the terms 'god speed' and may god have mercy on your soul might apply :D Jun 21 23:52:11 yeah right Jun 21 23:52:22 indeed it will be upstream friendly. 'eventually' Jun 21 23:52:34 still getting up to speed with the changes Jun 21 23:52:45 emeb: the bcc cape is really useful for making dmx! Jun 21 23:52:52 last i touched an XM was a year ago with a 2.6.32.. because it worked.. Jun 21 23:53:00 mrpackethead: terrible rapper Jun 21 23:53:19 now i have a bbb and the kernel got upgraded a lot of a sudden.. Jun 21 23:53:24 i've been up in mayalisa this week Jun 21 23:53:37 and i've been working on some fabrication issues Jun 21 23:53:43 mrpackethead: how was your US tour? Jun 21 23:53:51 mrpackethead: have you done anything with it yet? Jun 21 23:54:04 mranostay: not yet in the US!, i'm still Mayalisa Jun 21 23:54:18 DT isn't that bad Jun 21 23:54:27 it is a bad idea but it isn't that hard to switch over to Jun 21 23:54:30 mrpackethead: did you see that ssi and ka6sox got the DT support working? Jun 21 23:54:40 emeb: focused effort on it this week Jun 21 23:54:49 emeb: thats great, and very helpful Jun 21 23:55:06 mrpackethead: full info on setting that up is on ka6sox's github. Jun 21 23:55:14 emeb: got a link? Jun 21 23:55:20 DT frags, EEPROM contents, etc... Jun 21 23:55:38 hppefully we can make that all work nicely in debian Jun 21 23:55:41 https://github.com/ka6sox/bcc_software Jun 21 23:56:01 fragmentation cause by DT Jun 21 23:56:07 ds2: :) Jun 21 23:56:50 *i didnt sign up for this **** * Jun 21 23:56:52 :p Jun 21 23:57:15 ZubairLK: what are you complaining about Jun 21 23:57:20 once I loaded the EEPROM, compiled that .dts and stuffed it in the right dir, the kernel sets up the SPI port and all is jolly. Jun 21 23:57:20 Thanks for the moral support folks. I'll head back to the wikis for DT Jun 21 23:57:41 Just realized the jump between 3.2 and 3.8 about the board file and dts bindings.. Jun 21 23:57:54 mrpackethead: and getting up to speed with it Jun 21 23:58:00 emeb, how fast do you run the SPI ? Jun 21 23:59:27 mrpackethead: pretty fast. Takes < 1sec to load the FPGA. Jun 21 23:59:38 don't know the exact bitrate tho. Jun 21 23:59:40 > 4Mbs-1? Jun 21 23:59:50 and I'm in! sweet! Jun 22 00:00:01 ok, now to unbork dropbear Jun 22 00:00:01 i technically need about 1.5M but i'd like more Jun 22 00:00:53 emeb: will be time soon enough to create a new dog. Jun 22 00:00:54 :-) Jun 22 00:02:28 emeb: there is now only a couple of boards left Jun 22 00:02:34 quite suprized Jun 22 00:02:56 mrpackethead: the FPGA bitstream is 1.2Mbits long, so it's going at least 1Mbps Jun 22 00:03:39 mrpackethead: IIRC the SPI port can go up to about 20Mbps - I've pushed it that far and confirmed with a 'scope. Jun 22 00:04:12 but eventually you start getting deadzones in between the byte data as the DMA falls behind the SPI port pull rate. Jun 22 00:04:14 emeb: that more than fast enough Jun 22 00:04:15 :-) Jun 22 00:10:45 how fast should an led be flashed? Jun 22 00:10:59 mastiff: fast enough Jun 22 00:11:18 what if I want 50% dimming measured in lumens? Jun 22 00:12:12 how can you measure dimming in lumens Jun 22 00:12:37 * mrpackethead is not sure if this is a real question or a windup Jun 22 00:12:50 you can but you need a fancy optical setup. Jun 22 00:13:33 pwm is preferred way of dimming leds though right? Jun 22 00:14:45 I still have to connect bbb to the leds on my mast mounted nav lights, the led spotlight pointed down at the deck, and anchor lights.k Jun 22 00:15:39 I'd say the perferred way is a variable current source Jun 22 00:15:48 not sure of best way for controlling dimming while minimizing power consumed since they are running off solar power usually Jun 22 00:22:49 ah, very satisfying, up and running Jun 22 00:46:56 emeb, I have a new one I'm testing now... Jun 22 00:53:23 hey folks. just unpacked my first bbb. popped in a microSD. not getting anything in dmesg. angstrom v2012.12. is this normal? Jun 22 00:53:46 ka6sox: great! Jun 22 00:54:06 v2010.03 is normal Jun 22 00:54:47 j/k Jun 22 00:54:52 o.O Jun 22 00:55:10 did you try to ssh into our bbb? Jun 22 00:55:32 are you connected with usb or eth? Jun 22 00:55:33 haven't. using local console. remote webserv is working. Jun 22 00:55:47 powered via ps (5v 2a) Jun 22 00:55:56 net working Jun 22 00:56:27 xs / Jun 22 00:56:35 intent is to throw deb armhf on it. was jsut going to pull the image to sd and flash Jun 22 01:00:55 i'll go ahead and write the image to the SD from another machine. just surprised angstrom doesn't seem to notice SD inserted Jun 22 01:47:23 Help i cant connect to my beaglebone via ssh. It is on bridged ethernet and has an sdcard with the latest image of the weird Jun 22 01:47:33 Ly named linux dostro Jun 22 01:48:24 ah, there we go. painless putting wheezy armhf. nice little board you guys got here. Jun 22 01:49:34 Can you help me? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 22 02:59:58 2013