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Jun 22 03:19:50 <m_billybob> mastiff most definatly PWM
Jun 22 03:21:27 <m_billybob> I read an article in EDN or some such magazine aroudn a year ago. That you can actually overvolt LEDs ( thus making them seem brighter ) through using smart PWMing
Jun 22 03:23:33 <m_billybob> Anyhow, the article was about that, and LED logevity.
Jun 22 05:32:57 <_av500_> KILL ALL HUMANS!
Jun 22 05:33:59 <emeb_mac> uh, dude.
Jun 22 05:35:31 <_av500_> oops-, wrong channel
Jun 22 05:44:49 <voe> hi. i've been having trouble following the instructions at elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian for my BB Black
Jun 22 05:46:21 <_av500_> define trouble
Jun 22 05:47:00 <voe> i don't understand much of the linux world yet (I'm a windowser)
Jun 22 05:47:02 <voe> and
Jun 22 05:47:10 <voe> the commands seem to not work.
Jun 22 05:47:30 <voe> such as 'sudo' and git doesn't lookup github.com
Jun 22 05:47:49 <_av500_> where are you running these commands?
Jun 22 05:48:22 <voe> I'm using bitvise ssh to connect to my beaglebone black
Jun 22 05:48:26 <voe> via usb
Jun 22 05:49:00 <_av500_> on windows?
Jun 22 05:49:14 <voe> yes *guilty look*
Jun 22 05:49:42 <_av500_> well, sudo does not work on windows
Jun 22 05:50:07 <voe> oh.
Jun 22 05:50:13 <voe> i knew that. :)
Jun 22 05:50:54 <voe> i didnt think it would matter for client being windows.
Jun 22 05:51:02 <voe> doesnt bbb run angstrom?
Jun 22 06:02:44 <voe> well, when i get this figured out, i'll make a tutorial video and post it here.
Jun 22 06:09:31 <breedx> eMMC flasher 6/20 image on bbb still kernel panicing.  Bummer!  http://pastebin.com/7kpUU9Ec
Jun 22 06:48:59 <SuperBawlz> anyone here use altium?
Jun 22 06:56:37 <pru_evtout_2> is it possible to get one of the standard sd images working on a larger sd card
Jun 22 06:56:44 <pru_evtout_2> and have that space available?
Jun 22 06:57:12 <pru_evtout_2> can i just fdisk it?
Jun 22 07:11:05 <dm8tbr> yes
Jun 22 09:22:23 <kilroi> Hello need some help for my brand new beaglebone black  Rev A5B
Jun 22 09:22:23 <kilroi> After I started the board via USB I got the Drive BEAGLBONE
Jun 22 09:22:23 <kilroi> I doubleclicked START.htm but only a blank screen appeared.
Jun 22 09:22:23 <kilroi> No surprise when I examined the directory:
Jun 22 09:22:23 <kilroi> ls -l
Jun 22 09:22:24 <kilroi> drwx------ 2 repo repo    512 2013-03-18 11:48 App
Jun 22 09:22:26 <kilroi> -rwxr-xr-x 1 repo repo      0 2013-03-18 11:48 autorun.inf
Jun 22 09:22:28 <kilroi> drwx------ 4 repo repo   2048 2013-03-18 11:48 Docs
Jun 22 09:22:30 <kilroi> drwx------ 5 repo repo    512 2013-03-18 11:48 Drivers
Jun 22 09:22:32 <kilroi> -rwxr-xr-x 1 repo repo      0 2013-03-18 11:48 ID.txt
Jun 22 09:22:36 <kilroi> -rwxr-xr-x 1 repo repo      0 2013-03-18 11:48 LICENSE.txt
Jun 22 09:22:38 <kilroi> -rwxr-xr-x 1 repo repo  99976 2013-03-18 11:43 MLO
Jun 22 09:22:40 <kilroi> -rwxr-xr-x 1 repo repo      0 2013-03-18 11:48 README.md
Jun 22 09:22:42 <kilroi> -rwxr-xr-x 1 repo repo      0 2013-03-18 11:48 START.htm
Jun 22 09:22:44 <kilroi> -rwxr-xr-x 1 repo repo 379412 2013-03-18 11:43 u-boot.img
Jun 22 09:22:46 <kilroi> -rwxr-xr-x 1 repo repo     26 2013-03-18 11:43 uEnv.txt
Jun 22 09:22:48 <kilroi> The most files are empty, START.htm also. Anybody some suggestions?
Jun 22 09:36:36 <dm8tbr> kilroi: learn to pastebin, thanks
Jun 22 09:39:07 <dm8tbr> kilroi: pasting >2-3 lines of text to IRC is regarded as unnecessary noise/rude
Jun 22 09:42:53 <kilroi> ok, and now do u have some better ideas then crying about my "rudeness"?
Jun 22 09:46:37 <fzombie> kilroi, have you tried flashing the device?
Jun 22 09:47:44 <fzombie> get a updated beaglebone black image, toss it on a sd card, use standard procedure to load it, wait until lights are solid, then try again
Jun 22 09:47:54 <kilroi> not sure, I started it with a sd-card, and it didnt boot, I removed the card ...
Jun 22 09:48:35 <kilroi> ok, thank u, thats easy
Jun 22 09:49:31 <fzombie> http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started
Jun 22 09:49:49 <fzombie> so you skip the whole webpage part
Jun 22 09:50:25 <fzombie> http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started#update <--updating section is what you need
Jun 22 09:50:54 <fzombie> this will make sure if in the factory the thing didnt get flashed right then it will get flashed correctly, if that doesnt fix it then we know we probably have a problem
Jun 22 09:51:38 <fzombie> make sure when testing it have the LEAST amount of devices connected. Eg. dont plug in a usb hub while testing
Jun 22 09:51:43 <fzombie> this will help us narrow any issues down
Jun 22 09:53:16 <fzombie> I'm new to beaglebone, but that's my order of operations given my previous experiences with hardware.
Jun 22 09:53:25 <kilroi> I'll try, this will give my first start the right push, thx.
Jun 22 09:53:45 <fzombie> are you on windows or linux on your PC?
Jun 22 09:55:00 <fzombie> Protip: It's a heck of a lot more easy to do everything in linux. Windows has issues with the sd cards and formatting sometimes and a lot of things like installing debian only come with linux scripts.
Jun 22 09:55:23 <fzombie> Might be wise to get a second hard drive to boot from or find a good livecd or live usb distro
Jun 22 09:56:54 <fzombie> if you ever think you "killed your microSD" it can be fixed in linux easily, even from booting into the beaglebone itself. It has better partition tools than windows.
Jun 22 10:02:41 <kilroi> ls- l?
Jun 22 11:04:18 <KotH> kilroi: you should not only learn to pastebin, but also to apologize when you did a mistake and have been unintentionally rude to people
Jun 22 11:04:53 <KotH> kilroi: not appologizing is being intentionally rude and that is not something people take lightly
Jun 22 11:39:27 <mranostay> morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 22 11:39:34 <mranostay> KotH: chocolate!
Jun 22 11:39:39 <KotH> mranostay: JIHAD!
Jun 22 11:39:58 <KotH> mranostay: or rather: BEER!
Jun 22 11:41:02 <mranostay> goddamnit i see daylight
Jun 22 11:42:00 <KotH> a sure sign that you are not drunk enough
Jun 22 11:43:14 <mranostay> oh i'm not sober
Jun 22 11:43:39 <KotH> i dont think i've ever seen you sober
Jun 22 11:43:49 <mranostay> KotH: boo
Jun 22 11:44:07 <KotH> mranostay: bah
Jun 22 11:45:32 <mranostay> better sleep need to bike shop tommorrow
Jun 22 11:45:43 <KotH> sleep well
Jun 22 12:59:49 <ZubairLK> messed my bbb kernel. 13:52:34
Jun 22 12:59:51 <ZubairLK> trying to tftp another one but it gives this 13:52:45
Jun 22 12:59:53 <ZubairLK> Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00000e05).
Jun 22 12:59:57 <ZubairLK> Available machine support:
Jun 22 13:00:01 <ZubairLK> ID (hex)        NAME
Jun 22 13:00:03 <ZubairLK> ffffffff        Generic OMAP4 (Flattened Device Tree)
Jun 22 13:00:05 <ZubairLK> ffffffff        Generic AM33XX (Flattened Device Tree)
Jun 22 13:00:07 <ZubairLK> ffffffff        Generic OMAP3-GP (Flattened Device Tree)
Jun 22 13:00:09 <ZubairLK> ffffffff        Generic OMAP3 (Flattened Device Tree)
Jun 22 13:00:11 <ZubairLK> 0000060a        OMAP3 Beagle Board
Jun 22 13:00:14 <ZubairLK> 00000a9d        IGEP OMAP3 module
Jun 22 13:00:15 <ZubairLK> 00000928        IGEP v2 board
Jun 22 13:00:17 <ZubairLK> 00000ae7        OMAP4 Panda board
Jun 22 13:00:21 <ZubairLK> Please check your kernel config and/or bootloader. 13:52:47
Jun 22 13:00:24 <ZubairLK> don't have an sd card readily available..
Jun 22 13:00:27 <ZubairLK> Anybody here knowledgable about it?
Jun 22 13:01:09 <emeb_mac> what did you change?
Jun 22 13:11:50 <ZubairLK> the kernel in the actual sd doesnt work
Jun 22 13:11:56 <ZubairLK> I'm trying the original one now
Jun 22 13:12:10 <ZubairLK> although I'm also not sure if the one i have is correct
Jun 22 13:12:16 <ZubairLK> so i'm a bit blind atm
Jun 22 14:33:55 <jkroon_> I see that the Xorg config in OE for beaglebone switched from "fbdev" to "modesetting"...
Jun 22 14:34:10 <jkroon_> Should everything work out of the box.. ? Cause now my X wont start anymore..
Jun 22 14:46:58 <jkroon_> Should I change something in my dts so that my external monitor is used by a "kernel modesetting"-driver instead of the framebuffer ?
Jun 22 15:07:32 <Radius9> Anyone here familiar with device trees, specifically on the beaglebone black?
Jun 22 15:07:45 <Franky> Hey guys, i had a problem to get rt5370-wlan module working with the ubuntu13.04/3.8.13-bone21kernel/1406. The kernel source is not shipped with it, so im not able to "make" it. And I have no space for downloading the whole source. Is there an easy solution. Had someone compiled the rt5370 before?
Jun 22 15:08:39 <Radius9> I installed the UART1 (or UART2) virtual cape that Robert Nelson did, and it installs OK, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything with the pinmux.  I'm not sure how to debug it.
Jun 22 15:09:26 <Franky> <-BBB
Jun 22 16:45:42 <radius9> I used Robert Nelson's virtual device tree overlay for UART2 on a BBB, and the pinmux doesn't seem to do anything.  Does anyone have experience with it?  Is there any way to debug device trees?
Jun 22 17:22:29 <Mode-M> radius9: where do have the device tree overlay from?
Jun 22 18:08:20 <froggyman> how many 720p (at 60fps) webcams could a beaglebone-xm process and stream over ethernet?
Jun 22 18:09:33 <dm8tbr> froggyman: depends
Jun 22 18:09:43 <froggyman> dm8tbr, on?
Jun 22 18:09:49 <dm8tbr> many factors
Jun 22 18:09:49 <SpeedEvil> Stuff.
Jun 22 18:10:01 <SpeedEvil> Maybe zero.
Jun 22 18:10:02 <dm8tbr> framerate, codecs, camera interfaces
Jun 22 18:10:10 <dm8tbr> somewhere between 0 and many
Jun 22 18:11:02 <froggyman> dm8tbr, ahhh. Well, I still haven't picked out a camera yet, so I'm open to suggestions (we're looking for 720p video though)
Jun 22 18:11:09 <SpeedEvil> If you mean full motion quality video - I have a hard time imagining it's more than one.
Jun 22 18:11:40 <froggyman> SpeedEvil, yes, That is what I mean.
Jun 22 18:11:58 * froggyman might need to look into setting up a mini atx computer with video card then.
Jun 22 18:12:10 <dm8tbr> SpeedEvil: if he takes a preencoded output from the camera, then he might get away
Jun 22 18:12:15 <SpeedEvil> It is in principle possible that a suitable codec exists that will run on the DSP side, and allow you to encode one video.
Jun 22 18:12:24 <SpeedEvil> But any more will have to run on the CPU
Jun 22 18:12:28 <dm8tbr> some webcams spit out h.264
Jun 22 18:12:32 <SpeedEvil> dm8tbr: True, I guess.
Jun 22 18:12:42 <dm8tbr> could ingest that and forward that somewhere
Jun 22 18:12:55 <dm8tbr> at which point you're only limited by the throughput and stability of EHCI
Jun 22 18:13:08 <SpeedEvil> My newest webcam is the logitech 9000.
Jun 22 18:13:16 <SpeedEvil> I don't think it can do h.264 out
Jun 22 18:13:36 <froggyman> ahh. Definitely sounds like it will need more research
Jun 22 18:14:07 <SpeedEvil> Then there is the issue of coding.
Jun 22 18:14:16 <SpeedEvil> Yes, your camera may support h.264 out.
Jun 22 18:14:27 <SpeedEvil> Does the linux driver support this?
Jun 22 18:14:46 <SpeedEvil> Does the application stach you were hoping to use support teh codec variant, and ...
Jun 22 18:14:51 <SpeedEvil> stack
Jun 22 18:27:15 <dm8tbr> I think you can tease the h.264 out of the v4l device somehow
Jun 22 18:27:33 <dm8tbr> could prolly pipe that into gstreamer or such
Jun 22 18:28:08 <SpeedEvil> Likely.
Jun 22 18:28:25 <SpeedEvil> Last time I was doing something like this was with mjpeg, and it had rough edges.
Jun 22 18:28:28 <SpeedEvil> But that was a bit ago
Jun 22 18:31:04 <jkroon_> koen, ping
Jun 22 18:34:02 <jkroon_> koen, just thought I'd check with you. I upgraded all my openembedded repos, and I noticed that meta-beagleboard switched from xorg fbdev driver to modesetting. Now Xorg won't start on my beaglebone, it doesnt find any devices when probing /dev/dri/card0. Is there anything obvious I'm missing that I need to take care of ? I used a custom patched .dts file, in order to get my external lcd panel to work.
Jun 22 18:37:12 <mranostay> morning
Jun 22 18:38:29 <ka6sox> morning mranostay
Jun 22 18:38:34 <dm8tbr> moaning
Jun 22 18:39:14 <dm8tbr> the sun is about to rise in just 4h
Jun 22 18:39:19 <dm8tbr> but then again sunset is in 2h
Jun 22 18:41:36 <mranostay> dm8tbr: that is a cue to sleep
Jun 22 18:41:54 <dm8tbr> nah, local time is just 21:41
Jun 22 18:42:07 <mranostay> right you live really north..
Jun 22 18:42:34 <dm8tbr> went a bit further north this weekend to celebrate the solstice
Jun 22 18:43:09 <dm8tbr> about 65°N to be precise
Jun 22 18:43:47 <mranostay> i was celebrating the solsctice as well
Jun 22 18:44:11 <dm8tbr> you looked at it through an empty beer glass?
Jun 22 18:46:24 <mranostay> sure. got home at like 4:30a and notice the sun was rising again
Jun 22 18:46:48 <dm8tbr> :)
Jun 22 18:58:20 <SpeedEvil> At 56N here.
Jun 22 18:58:30 <SpeedEvil> It is still very, very light out
Jun 22 18:59:49 <dm8tbr> hrm, some rain clouds :(
Jun 22 19:00:07 <SpeedEvil> actually - sun up still
Jun 22 20:00:12 <_Sy_> Hello
Jun 22 20:00:48 <_Sy_> Would binaries that have been compiled for other distributions of Linux for arm v7, work on Angstrom?
Jun 22 20:00:48 <tcort> Hi
Jun 22 20:01:19 <_av500_> _Sy_: depends
Jun 22 20:01:45 <_av500_> soft float vs hard float
Jun 22 20:01:46 <_Sy_> on ?
Jun 22 20:01:51 <_av500_> differnet libc versoins
Jun 22 20:03:00 <ka6sox> Spirilis, your cape pngs are not visible to mere mortals...
Jun 22 20:03:05 <_av500_> there is also rule #3
Jun 22 20:03:09 <_av500_> try and find out
Jun 22 20:04:12 <_Sy_> Its  a service, I'm not sure if its running or not, there doesn't appear to be any logs created.
Jun 22 20:04:44 <martinm> maybe systemd hasn't seen any servise requests and so hasn't started it yet?
Jun 22 20:07:26 <_av500_> also, try to start it from hand
Jun 22 20:09:06 <_Sy_> trying that now
Jun 22 20:11:04 <_Sy_> systemctl status corosync.service .... Failed to start Corosync Cluster Engine... back to the drawing board.
Jun 22 20:11:36 <_Sy_> I have also been trying to build it from source, but getting lots of alignment warnings.
Jun 22 20:18:38 <_Sy_> Broadband has been playing up for 3 weeks now...amazing how crippled you feel without it...
Jun 22 20:22:01 <fzombie> howdy friends
Jun 22 20:22:36 <_Sy_> how do :)
Jun 22 20:30:32 <_Sy_> Must be a real shortage of films to put on....die hard...again!
Jun 22 20:33:27 <_av500_> _Sy_: you can start the SW by hand
Jun 22 20:33:30 <_av500_> without systemd
Jun 22 20:33:35 <_av500_> for a first try
Jun 22 20:34:22 <_Sy_> I did, it failed too.
Jun 22 20:35:44 <fzombie> does angstrom have a package manager for downloading new packages by any chance? I've never used it.
Jun 22 20:36:11 <fzombie> I was just going to flash over debian because that's what I know but I'm thinking I should at least try Angstrom
Jun 22 20:36:17 <_Sy_> opkg
Jun 22 20:36:33 <_Sy_> opkg list
Jun 22 20:36:43 <martinm> opkg list | less
Jun 22 20:37:04 <martinm> wich isn't much better - no more human-friendly interface?
Jun 22 20:37:48 <fzombie> so the opkg list gives me a list of avaliable packages? im going to boot my beaglebone black and try it out.
Jun 22 20:37:54 <fzombie> with grep it might be friendly enough
Jun 22 20:38:34 <martinm> meh, stick with less - it has search, too
Jun 22 20:39:12 <Spirilis> ka6sox: ?  ... you mean the forum "requires you to sign up" thing?
Jun 22 20:39:32 <Spirilis> (yeah lots of folks bitch about that, the admin is a stickler about that shit for some reason)
Jun 22 20:40:56 <mranostay> morning again
Jun 22 20:44:57 <fzombie> ill be back.rebooting into linux. I hate having software on 2 OSs
Jun 22 20:50:30 <martinm> "no man can master two servers"
Jun 22 20:52:40 <ka6sox> Spirilis, yes, I don't want to have to give yet another group my personal information *just* to look at some pictures :P
Jun 22 20:53:07 <_av500_> mranostay: gm
Jun 22 20:54:33 <ka6sox> Spirilis, if its truely OSH why do we have to sign up just to see it?
Jun 22 20:59:56 <mranostay> _av500_: not so loud please
Jun 22 21:00:57 <ka6sox> mranostay, WAKE UP!!!
Jun 22 21:01:50 <mranostay> ka6sox: hate you too :P
Jun 22 21:02:54 <mranostay> ok afk.. getting some fresh air
Jun 22 21:09:57 <voe> is there that my git can't lookup a git address on my beaglebone black?
Jun 22 21:10:14 <_av500_> ?
Jun 22 21:10:22 <voe> i'm on a windows bitvise ssh session
Jun 22 21:10:36 <voe> says cant lookup git.com when i try to clone
Jun 22 21:11:10 <martinm> sounds like a DNS problem?
Jun 22 21:11:28 <voe> i'm unfamiliar.
Jun 22 21:11:45 <voe> would that be a dns server on my bbb?
Jun 22 21:12:16 <martinm> could be.  more likely an external resolver that all local machines use
Jun 22 21:12:36 <martinm> depending, of course, on all those details not yet mentioned here
Jun 22 21:12:56 <voe> hmmm...
Jun 22 21:13:14 <voe> issue with my router?
Jun 22 21:13:15 <martinm> how is the black connected?
Jun 22 21:13:28 <voe> i'm connected via usb
Jun 22 21:13:36 <voe> oh
Jun 22 21:13:50 <voe> should i plug an ethernet cable into it also
Jun 22 21:14:02 <voe> i assumed it would just be an extension of my windows...
Jun 22 21:14:13 <voe> m(__)m
Jun 22 21:14:23 <martinm> yeah, I don't know how that works with Windows, never touch the stuff
Jun 22 21:14:33 <voe> im transitioning
Jun 22 21:15:07 <martinm> if you only need the ssh access then using a normal ethernet connection would avoid all these questions :-)
Jun 22 21:15:50 <voe> but i still need internet cx
Jun 22 21:16:09 <martinm> it will have that on the ethernet, no?
Jun 22 21:16:37 <voe> i thought you meant instead of usb
Jun 22 21:17:25 <mranostay> Crofton|work: what is the name of the cat?
Jun 22 21:17:31 <martinm> actually, I'm not sure I've used both at once, but it probably works
Jun 22 21:17:35 <_av500_> apult
Jun 22 21:17:42 <_av500_> mranostay: ^^^
Jun 22 21:20:22 <FZombie> Has anyone found a sd card reader that's been worth the paper it was packaged in?
Jun 22 21:20:35 <FZombie> every one I buy fails bad, breaks, comes apart
Jun 22 21:20:59 <seckford> voe: you need to set up routing on the BBB.  Try "route add default gw XXXXXXX" where XXXX is the address of the usb port on the host.
Jun 22 21:20:59 <_av500_> or $2.5 I dont care
Jun 22 21:21:09 <_av500_> I just take the next one
Jun 22 21:23:23 <Crofton|work> mranostay, LC short for Little Cat
Jun 22 21:52:04 <mkr> dear all, I'm looking for some advice - I'd like to add a nano usb wifi card to my BBB, is there a list of types of hardware that will work out of the box, or could someone recommend a specific device based on hers/his own experience?
Jun 22 21:52:25 <jacekowski> everything that works under linux
Jun 22 21:53:17 <SpeedEvil> And that does not require x86 drivers, or windows emulation layers like ndiswrapper
Jun 22 21:53:34 <SpeedEvil> (which is thankfully a shrinking proportion of cards)
Jun 22 21:54:03 <SpeedEvil> If it has a source driver, you're basically OK.
Jun 22 21:55:38 <mkr> I've had some mixed luck with hardware in the past -- things not working with new kernel versions and other unpleasant surprises
Jun 22 21:56:58 <voe> man now i seem to not be able to connect
Jun 22 21:57:07 <voe> three lights steady on
Jun 22 21:57:11 <voe> mean something?
Jun 22 21:57:24 <voe> d2 d3 d4
Jun 22 21:58:11 <voe> nevermind
Jun 22 21:58:19 <voe> mustve been my sd card
Jun 22 22:03:14 <mkr> i have one on my raspi, i'll check it
Jun 22 22:11:00 <voe> hmmm... I managed to clone netinstall from elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian but i don't quite get what else to do
Jun 22 22:13:59 <mkr> ok guys, it seems that the wifi card does not work out of the box, it's a realtek RTL8188eu device
Jun 22 22:14:33 <mkr> there's no drivers for it on the realtek site, but i found a git repo that seems to be targeted at raspi: https://github.com/liwei/rpi-rtl8188eu
Jun 22 22:15:01 <mkr> building it from sources should do the trick on BBB, right? (at least in theory)
Jun 22 22:32:43 <martinm> "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; in practice, there is."
Jun 22 22:33:03 <mru> in practice, realtek sucks
Jun 22 22:33:29 <martinm> IME, less than some, but that leaves plenty of suckage possible :-/
Jun 22 22:33:46 <mru> I dread to imagine anything worse
Jun 22 22:33:56 <mru> sure, they've improved since the 8139
Jun 22 22:34:00 <mru> but that's not saying much
Jun 22 22:34:14 <martinm> oh, wait, wifi specific - yeah, now that broadcom is not good for ballast all the time
Jun 22 22:34:15 <Spirilis> ka6sox: heh, good point. I'll post URLs to all the png's/etc from my webhost in that posting (and the attachments too).
Jun 22 22:34:53 <mru> for add-on wifi, atheros seems the best choice these days
Jun 22 22:35:09 <mru> intel integrated stuff is good too
Jun 22 22:35:25 <martinm> better than their video stuff, anyway ;-/
Jun 22 22:35:36 <mru> intel integrated graphics works fine
Jun 22 22:35:51 <mru> doesn't have the performance of nvidia
Jun 22 22:36:05 <mru> but if you're not gaming, it's still plenty
Jun 22 22:37:01 <martinm> anyway, what about the crufty category of USB wifi?
Jun 22 22:37:21 <mru> I avoid usb as much as possible
Jun 22 22:37:50 <mru> but I've heard atheros usb wifi is reasonable
Jun 22 22:38:11 <mru> never heard of an intel usb wifi dongle
Jun 22 22:38:11 <mkr> seems to be a bad case of "practice" martinm :]
Jun 22 22:38:16 <martinm> well, yes, but there's not much choice with a bone.  and I was wondering if your earlier comment should be read as including Atheros wifi
Jun 22 22:38:30 <mkr> it does not compile out of the box
Jun 22 22:38:39 <mkr> i'm trying to figure out why
Jun 22 22:38:49 <mru> atheros has in-tree drivers
Jun 22 22:38:55 <mru> always a boon
Jun 22 22:39:04 <martinm> yeah, a good sign
Jun 22 22:39:23 <mru> I once looked at some realtek driver source
Jun 22 22:39:26 <martinm> er, the in-tree drivers, not the compile problem in the background :-)
Jun 22 22:39:33 <mru> it was not pleasant
Jun 22 22:40:47 * martinm tries not to look at driver source these days - the memories are bad
Jun 22 22:42:46 <mranostay> mru: do you go sane too?
Jun 22 22:44:37 <mru> I try to avoid it
Jun 22 22:45:02 <ka6sox> Spirilis, how about putting it all up on GitHub?
Jun 22 22:45:10 <ka6sox> (or Gitorious or whatever :))
Jun 22 22:45:33 <mru> people still use that?
Jun 22 22:45:38 <Spirilis> ka6sox: could do that.  I'm used to using github for source code, never thought much about tossing PCB design files et al.  Which one are you looking at specifically -- the LaunchPad cape?
Jun 22 23:09:00 <Spirilis> ka6sox: k, updated a couple posts in that thread on beaglefu.com with external links to my webhost for pics and design files
Jun 22 23:14:13 <mkr> implicit declaration of function 'daemonize' <--- feels like i'm in a horror movie
Jun 22 23:15:30 <mkr> ok, i think i'll be better off buying a compatible wifi dongle, who knows it that thing will ever work
Jun 22 23:21:27 <martinm> Spirilis: don't see any external links, but there are a couple of posts with odd gaps in them :-(
Jun 22 23:22:38 <martinm> Spirilis: oops, never mind... maybe I started looking at this just before they got there
Jun 22 23:33:16 <Spirilis> anyway, yeah, that was the result of me drafting shit out on paper, making my own beaglebone cape patterns for DipTrace and then going "into the zone" with a bunch of routing :-)
Jun 22 23:34:01 <mecatronico> hola, alguien de latinoamerica?
Jun 22 23:34:29 <mecatronico> Saludos desde Lima - Perú
Jun 22 23:35:21 <mecatronico> me pueden decir que tipo de camara de video le puedo instalar al BBB?
Jun 22 23:36:03 <mecatronico> I can get camera video to BBB, I need help!
Jun 22 23:39:34 <mecatronico> hi
Jun 22 23:47:27 <mecatronico> hola
Jun 22 23:47:32 <mecatronico> hi
Jun 22 23:47:40 <mecatronico> some people for here?
Jun 22 23:49:46 <mecatronico> hi?
Jun 23 01:09:36 <emocakes> howdy all
Jun 23 01:10:40 <emocakes> I've got a BBB and I'm trying to update its mmc, using the angstrom update on the site,  I copied the OS to a uSD card and booted it from the bb, however it doesnt update the mmc onboard, it loads angstrom, starts the flasher, and then kernel panics
Jun 23 01:10:48 <emocakes> (watching on the serial port)
Jun 23 01:11:12 <emocakes> any idea?
Jun 23 01:11:12 <emocakes> http://hastebin.com/bufamiwexu.xml
Jun 23 01:12:04 <martinm> what image?  are you running the black off of USB?
Jun 23 01:12:26 <m_billybob> Spirilis how the reflow party coming along ? ;)
Jun 23 01:13:54 <Spirilis> m_billybob: after fixing 2 boards that weren't working, 100% success rate!
Jun 23 01:14:00 <emocakes> martinm, http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/BBB-eMMC-flasher.....
Jun 23 01:14:02 <Spirilis> got them all packaged up in antistatic bags & bagged up
Jun 23 01:14:07 <m_billybob> sweet
Jun 23 01:14:16 <emocakes> and yes, im powering it from the usb cable martinm, should i not use usb?
Jun 23 01:14:18 <m_billybob> so how many boards would you say you could knock out in a day ?
Jun 23 01:14:32 <m_billybob> assumign no work and thats all you did
Jun 23 01:14:34 <Spirilis> m_billybob: well, I just did 20 in what I consider ~4-4.5 hours total
Jun 23 01:14:47 <emocakes> with a chinese reflower Spirilis?
Jun 23 01:14:54 <m_billybob> ah so 40-60 wouldnt be an unreasonable amoun then
Jun 23 01:14:58 <emocakes> was about to buy one to repair gfx cards and ps3's
Jun 23 01:15:04 <m_billybob> (per day )
Jun 23 01:15:10 <Spirilis> emocakes: nope homemade, hot skillet + control board m_billybob and his buddy designed
Jun 23 01:15:27 <Spirilis> m_billybob: yeah for those tiny things, 40 or so and I'd stop
Jun 23 01:15:28 <emocakes> you use a light to heat it up?
Jun 23 01:15:36 <m_billybob> Spirilis, you may as well jus tsay wulf designed you didnt use my code lol
Jun 23 01:15:37 <Spirilis> emocakes: nah
Jun 23 01:15:40 <martinm> emocakes: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software
Jun 23 01:15:52 <m_billybob> Spirilis cant say i blame you either my profile code is a mess
Jun 23 01:15:55 <Spirilis> m_billybob: eh, you got us all sold on the product :)
Jun 23 01:16:13 <m_billybob> well i did havesom say in design too i just didnt orcad it meself
Jun 23 01:16:20 <Spirilis> m_billybob: haha 'sall good, sometimes I wonder why I write libs or bother promoting others to use libs because in the end it seems I always reinvent everything myself lol
Jun 23 01:16:28 <m_billybob> UART pins wouldnt have been brought out if i didnt speak up
Jun 23 01:16:30 <martinm> they mention a possible issue with the USB power limit during flashing
Jun 23 01:17:13 <Spirilis> emocakes: adding to martinm's comment I've used the usb port to power my BBB during flashing but only with the usb cable plugged into a tablet charger (2.1A capable)
Jun 23 01:17:23 <Spirilis> that has worked 100% of the time for me
Jun 23 01:17:30 <m_billybob> Spirilis, i see nate been busy getting a kit together too now. His board looks really nice, jealous of his in formware graph too
Jun 23 01:17:39 <emocakes> i'll try hooking it into the wall, will keep monitoring the serial output though
Jun 23 01:17:42 <Spirilis> m_billybob: lol yeah, that is high art there
Jun 23 01:17:46 <m_billybob> in firmware graph*
Jun 23 01:17:47 <emocakes> at the moment i have a bricked BBB :p
Jun 23 01:18:02 <m_billybob> its not bricked
Jun 23 01:18:09 <emocakes> yah
Jun 23 01:18:17 <m_billybob> you just need to flash it corrrectly
Jun 23 01:18:19 <emocakes> well, it doesnt boot an OS, so i have a BBB with no OS
Jun 23 01:18:19 <m_billybob> ;)
Jun 23 01:18:21 <emocakes> ;)
Jun 23 01:18:27 <emocakes> effectively bricked until i get an OS
Jun 23 01:18:29 <emocakes> lol
Jun 23 01:18:40 <m_billybob> what kidn of power supply are you using ?
Jun 23 01:18:43 <m_billybob> kind*
Jun 23 01:18:54 <m_billybob> excuse the dyslexic typing thats normal for me
Jun 23 01:18:55 <emocakes> was using USB wall plug, but it ends up kernel panicing halfway through the update
Jun 23 01:18:56 <emocakes> like here
Jun 23 01:19:04 <emocakes> http://hastebin.com/bufamiwexu.xml
Jun 23 01:19:09 <m_billybob> yeah so it sounds liek a power issue
Jun 23 01:19:14 <emocakes> *erm using usb power supply
Jun 23 01:19:19 <emocakes> erm
Jun 23 01:19:22 <m_billybob> if it barfs half way through. .  ..
Jun 23 01:19:24 <emocakes> usb cable into my computer
Jun 23 01:19:34 <m_billybob> do you have a USB 3.0 port ?
Jun 23 01:19:41 <emocakes> yes
Jun 23 01:19:47 <m_billybob> did you try that ?
Jun 23 01:19:59 <emocakes> all my ports are usb three
Jun 23 01:20:04 <m_billybob> ah
Jun 23 01:20:35 <m_billybob> odd then but its a story ive heard many times on here and on the groups
Jun 23 01:20:52 <emocakes> shoulda bought a pi.... ;)
Jun 23 01:20:59 <m_billybob> usually it seeems power related, but i wouldnt doubt that somethign else could be the cause
Jun 23 01:21:09 <m_billybob> what are you doing with the bbb ?
Jun 23 01:21:21 <m_billybob> i mean what do you intend to do with it
Jun 23 01:21:33 <emocakes> play with it
Jun 23 01:21:40 <emocakes> want to hook it up to my car eventually
Jun 23 01:21:43 <m_billybob> because unless you're streaming videoor playing video back the pi is useless IMHO
Jun 23 01:21:55 <emocakes> i know, i have a pi on my desk, and bbb > pi
Jun 23 01:22:08 <emocakes> pi is like a glorified arduino uno
Jun 23 01:22:13 <emocakes> supposedly it has an onboard CAN (the bbb)
Jun 23 01:22:24 <m_billybob> two channel afaik
Jun 23 01:22:43 <emocakes> i ripped apart a big photocopier yesterday
Jun 23 01:22:50 <m_billybob> I think one may share pins with the hdmi or maybe emmc not sure
Jun 23 01:23:01 <emocakes> got a bunch of thermocouples, lasers and heavy duty stepper motors
Jun 23 01:23:07 <m_billybob> lol sweet
Jun 23 01:23:07 <emocakes> will have some fun eventually with them
Jun 23 01:23:22 <emocakes> will go back and get more i think
Jun 23 01:23:36 <emocakes> basically and unlimited supply of thm
Jun 23 01:23:47 <emocakes> nope, kernel panic again
Jun 23 01:24:00 <emocakes> maybe the mmc is in read only mode or something :\
Jun 23 01:24:01 <m_billybob> same error message ?
Jun 23 01:24:17 <m_billybob> link me to your pastebin again please
Jun 23 01:24:21 <m_billybob> ill have a look see
Jun 23 01:24:23 <emocakes> http://hastebin.com/xudekopeta.xml
Jun 23 01:25:04 <m_billybob> 120.463680] INFO: task mmcqd/0:70 blocked for more than 60 seconds.
Jun 23 01:25:10 <m_billybob> thats your culprit
Jun 23 01:25:23 <emocakes> yah
Jun 23 01:25:28 <emocakes> but why?!
Jun 23 01:25:37 <m_billybob> no idea it doesnt sound right
Jun 23 01:25:46 <m_billybob> what args arein uEnv.txt ?
Jun 23 01:26:21 <emocakes> lemme check
Jun 23 01:27:10 <Spirilis> yeah I think 1 CAN channel is hard to get to b/c of shared pins
Jun 23 01:27:16 <Spirilis> DCAN1 is the one that you can get to easily I think
Jun 23 01:27:37 <emocakes> i dont really care much about the hdmi
Jun 23 01:27:43 <emocakes> so im happy to lose that
Jun 23 01:28:06 <m_billybob> would you realy need 2 channels of DCAN though ?
Jun 23 01:28:07 <emocakes> so all the CAN cape does is bring those pins out to a board?
Jun 23 01:28:07 <Spirilis> I am thinking of rolling my own variant of the CAN cape, with a combination of different connectors available (DE9 and RJ45) based on different industrial CAN standard pinouts I've found
Jun 23 01:28:19 <Spirilis> emocakes: I think the CAN cape also has the physical layer transceiver
Jun 23 01:28:51 <Spirilis> it'd be pretty useless otherwise lol
Jun 23 01:28:55 <emocakes> oh, here i was thinking it was pnp
Jun 23 01:28:56 <emocakes> :(
Jun 23 01:29:10 <m_billybob> just from the little bit of reading I did do, CAN is just a specialized network protocol right ?
Jun 23 01:29:15 <Spirilis> m_billybob: yeah
Jun 23 01:29:28 <m_billybob> so yeah one channel should be good enough id think
Jun 23 01:29:43 <Spirilis> it's basically a protocol built on a differential signalling standard (like most good ones I guess)
Jun 23 01:29:57 <Spirilis> well, I think you have to consider the Sitara's intended use case -- industrial stuff
Jun 23 01:30:15 <Spirilis> a Sitara might very well be found interfacing 2 different CAN busses for 2 different types of equipment running at 2 different standard levels or speeds
Jun 23 01:30:30 <m_billybob> that makes sense
Jun 23 01:30:34 <emocakes> i want to use it for my car
Jun 23 01:30:34 <emocakes> :p
Jun 23 01:30:36 <Spirilis> 99% of us don't need that shit :)
Jun 23 01:30:47 <emocakes> my uENV is
Jun 23 01:30:47 <emocakes> optargs=quiet
Jun 23 01:30:52 <Spirilis> emocakes: inspect the CAN cape in detail, it might conform to the typical DE9 OBD-II pinout, not sure
Jun 23 01:30:55 <m_billybob> yeah so no problem there
Jun 23 01:31:08 <emocakes> BeagleBone Black eMMC flasher 2013.06.06
Jun 23 01:31:09 <Spirilis> then you just need the J19blahblahbwhatever big OBD-II connector to DE9 (DB9) cable
Jun 23 01:31:25 <Spirilis> plug it in, get the software side working (good luck with that) and in theory you should be able to snoop the car's CAN bus
Jun 23 01:31:42 <m_billybob> emocakes so the file on the SD is the right format ? I read somethign on the groups about someone not exacting the tarball .  ..so effectivly geting a similar error that you're having
Jun 23 01:31:50 <Spirilis> I think sparkfun.com sells the OBD-II to DE9 adapter cable for $10
Jun 23 01:32:16 <emocakes> m_billybob i un7zipped and then used dd to image it to the sd, so i hope so :\
Jun 23 01:32:38 <m_billybob> dd's what exactly ?
Jun 23 01:32:45 <Spirilis> data dump, raw block transfer
Jun 23 01:32:47 <m_billybob> dd'd*
Jun 23 01:32:50 <Spirilis> very handy tool in linux/unix
Jun 23 01:32:52 <m_billybob> no no
Jun 23 01:32:54 <m_billybob> what file
Jun 23 01:32:57 <m_billybob> (s)
Jun 23 01:32:59 <Spirilis> oh
Jun 23 01:33:01 <Spirilis> nm :)
Jun 23 01:33:32 <emocakes> → ls | grep BBB
Jun 23 01:33:32 <emocakes> BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.06.img
Jun 23 01:33:36 <emocakes> that one
Jun 23 01:33:41 <m_billybob> Spirilis yeah i know dd if=/dev/zero etc etc ive been doing speed tests on my netboot setup
Jun 23 01:34:05 <emocakes> dd if=Downloads/BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.06.img of=/dev/rdisk2 bs=1m
Jun 23 01:34:21 <m_billybob> hmmm
Jun 23 01:34:33 <m_billybob> are there multiple older rchives ?
Jun 23 01:34:42 <m_billybob> archives* id try another image
Jun 23 01:34:49 <emocakes> im trying the newest one
Jun 23 01:34:52 <emocakes> listed here
Jun 23 01:34:55 <emocakes> http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/
Jun 23 01:35:07 <martinm> since that's clearly not working for you, maybe you'd like to try one of the images from the vendor page
Jun 23 01:35:17 <emocakes> martinm, i tried the vendor one originally
Jun 23 01:35:23 <emocakes> got confused at the start :\
Jun 23 01:35:32 <emocakes> originally i did the one from the beaglebone website
Jun 23 01:35:39 <martinm> I'm afraid to ask, but... which date, do you remember?
Jun 23 01:35:46 <emocakes> → ls | grep BBB
Jun 23 01:35:46 <emocakes> BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.06.img
Jun 23 01:36:23 <martinm> oh, no, the hardware vendor - they're on this page: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Updating_The_Software
Jun 23 01:36:52 <m_billybob> emocakes ok well just saying you could try and older image to get somethign working
Jun 23 01:36:59 <m_billybob> try an*
Jun 23 01:37:01 <emocakes> ohh m_billybob
Jun 23 01:37:05 <emocakes> & martinm
Jun 23 01:37:30 <emocakes> i will experiment around, want to get this working soon, so i can play with my stepper motors and thermopiles
Jun 23 01:37:31 <emocakes> :p
Jun 23 01:37:37 <m_billybob> that panic is because it can not find somethign "suitable" to boot from, for what reason i dont know
Jun 23 01:37:40 <emocakes> got some of these
Jun 23 01:37:41 <emocakes> http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/169310/PERKINELMER/TPMI.html
Jun 23 01:37:43 <m_billybob> personally i use debian
Jun 23 01:38:04 <emocakes> debian or ubuntu m_billybob?
Jun 23 01:38:13 <m_billybob> debian
Jun 23 01:38:21 <m_billybob> we have no need for hdmi either
Jun 23 01:38:51 <martinm> just curious at this point - does the HDMI work in Debian?
Jun 23 01:38:52 <Spirilis> the hdmi shit basically sits there doing nothing in lala land if you don't have an HDMI cable plugged in right?  and I'm guessing the LCD framer goes to sleep if you don't have any graphical crap running
Jun 23 01:39:12 <Spirilis> or is there a kernel option to tell the LCD framer to STFU
Jun 23 01:39:45 <m_billybob> you could load a psuedo cape that uses its pins at boot time
Jun 23 01:39:57 <m_billybob> effectivly c*** blocking it
Jun 23 01:40:39 <mastiff> i want the audio, but not the video.
Jun 23 01:40:39 <m_billybob> hold one
Jun 23 01:41:11 <m_billybob> [03:31] <panto> put capemgr.enable_partno=BB-I2C1 in the kernel cmd line
Jun 23 01:41:12 <m_billybob> [03:31] <panto> uEnv.txt, optargs
Jun 23 01:41:16 <m_billybob> Spirilis ^^^
Jun 23 01:41:20 <Spirilis> nice
Jun 23 01:41:39 <m_billybob> *maybe* you could "disable" too but not sureon that
Jun 23 01:42:01 <mastiff> that's to enable I2C on boot?
Jun 23 01:42:13 <m_billybob> I2C1
Jun 23 01:42:42 <m_billybob> im assuming but was just an example of what Spirilis could do to block hdmi, that DT overlay may not do it but somethign would
Jun 23 01:44:30 <emocakes> so whos doing what with their BBB?
Jun 23 01:44:39 <emocakes> i wanted to make a hydroponic controller as well
Jun 23 01:44:42 <emocakes> to grow some erbs
Jun 23 01:44:49 <m_billybob> right now im experimenting / learning
Jun 23 01:45:01 <emocakes> which language you coding in m_billybob?
Jun 23 01:45:09 <emocakes> i'm taking the C route
Jun 23 01:45:13 <m_billybob> but kind of the same end goal remote site management
Jun 23 01:45:25 <m_billybob> rigth now nothing i need to learn linux dev
Jun 23 01:45:32 <m_billybob> fresh to linux development
Jun 23 01:45:40 <emocakes> done unix before?
Jun 23 01:45:45 <emocakes> its all a file :p
Jun 23 01:45:45 <m_billybob> but I'd most likely use C too
Jun 23 01:46:11 <m_billybob> C for kernel stuff and *maybe* C++ or even C# userland
Jun 23 01:46:22 <emocakes> C#?
Jun 23 01:46:27 <emocakes> then you'd have to run mono right?
Jun 23 01:46:32 <m_billybob> yeap
Jun 23 01:46:47 <emocakes> bit heavy?
Jun 23 01:46:49 <m_billybob> i need to investigate how well armhf support mono
Jun 23 01:46:57 <m_billybob> supports*
Jun 23 01:47:16 <m_billybob> not really i have plans to make a webUI already
Jun 23 01:47:27 <m_billybob> C# is lighter than javascript
Jun 23 01:47:46 <m_billybob> well on windows anyhow, not sure about on linux
Jun 23 01:47:55 <emocakes> whack
Jun 23 01:48:00 <emocakes> just kernel paniced
Jun 23 01:48:19 <m_billybob> your desktop ? lol ewps
Jun 23 01:49:42 <m_billybob> my fav so far has been trying to remove hdmi from capemngr only to get booted from root after an oops, where the console then completely locks up
Jun 23 01:49:46 <m_billybob> ( on the BBB )
Jun 23 01:50:52 <m_billybob> hmmm that could be an exercise for me to fmailiarize myself with DT overlays though. I could configure the hdmi pins for a different mode then attempt to load teh overlay at boot time
Jun 23 01:51:32 <m_billybob> william@support:~$ dtc -v
Jun 23 01:51:32 <m_billybob> Version: DTC 1.3.0-g1ea7e802
Jun 23 01:51:41 <m_billybob> weeee
Jun 23 01:51:49 <Spirilis> m_billybob: typically on unix platforms, if you're not using C, you're using something higher level like Python, Perl, Ruby et al.
Jun 23 01:52:08 <m_billybob> Spirilis im much more familiar with C# though
Jun 23 01:52:14 <emocakes> i like the thought of c as such that people cant steal my shit
Jun 23 01:52:22 <emocakes> as its compiled
Jun 23 01:52:33 <emocakes> even though there is hexrays
Jun 23 01:52:42 <m_billybob> not sure how well .NET works on Linux but on widnows C# JIT is sometimes even faster than native code, but uses slightly more CPU
Jun 23 01:52:44 <Spirilis> m_billybob: yeah, no idea how well Mono works, I always thought of it as a horrible ugly hack and pipe dream for someone to get C# reliable under something other than an M$ O/S... but hell maybe I'm wrong
Jun 23 01:53:04 <emocakes> Spirilis they got android running with C#
Jun 23 01:53:08 <emocakes> and supposedly it pwned java
Jun 23 01:53:11 <Spirilis> oh and Java, can't forget that one.
Jun 23 01:53:13 <emocakes> but that isnt really a surprise
Jun 23 01:53:14 <emocakes> its java
Jun 23 01:53:15 <emocakes> L
Jun 23 01:53:16 <emocakes> :p
Jun 23 01:53:23 <m_billybob> emocakes using JNI im assuming ?
Jun 23 01:53:30 <Spirilis> well and what did they do for the VM?  Android doesn't exactly use Java's VM
Jun 23 01:53:42 <Spirilis> did they do some weird C#-to-Dalvik thing?
Jun 23 01:53:45 <emocakes> http://blog.xamarin.com/android-in-c-sharp/
Jun 23 01:54:05 <m_billybob> Spirilis well on android every process runs in its own VM as i recall
Jun 23 01:54:19 <Spirilis> ah k, they are using Mono
Jun 23 01:54:20 <m_billybob> i know every application does
Jun 23 01:54:35 <Spirilis> m_billybob: yeah
Jun 23 01:54:52 <m_billybob> they stole that from solaris ;)
Jun 23 01:54:57 <Spirilis> m_billybob: every android app is spawned from the Zygote process, basically a Dalvik instance preloaded and ready to differentiate itself into whatever the new program requires
Jun 23 01:55:24 <Spirilis> lots of languages work that way
Jun 23 01:55:38 <m_billybob> i forget most of the details
Jun 23 01:55:43 <Spirilis> perl, python, ruby, etc all run a separate copy of the VM or interpreter for each separate program
Jun 23 01:55:54 <m_billybob> I researched android architecture for 6 months in my spare time las year
Jun 23 01:56:02 <m_billybob> so yeah i forget a lot of the details
Jun 23 01:56:16 <m_billybob> im totally turned off by android now days so dont really care much any more
Jun 23 01:56:21 <emocakes> https://github.com/xamarin/XobotOS
Jun 23 01:56:22 <emocakes> there
Jun 23 01:56:23 <emocakes> :p
Jun 23 01:56:28 <Spirilis> I'm assuming C# does too, i.e. a separate instance of the VM per "program" but different "threads" within use the same VM (though all languages do it that way too, ones with multithreading support anyhow)
Jun 23 01:56:45 <m_billybob> last i read you needed to use JNI for C# on android
Jun 23 01:57:00 <m_billybob> believe  at that time they were tlkaign about monogame
Jun 23 01:57:08 <m_billybob> talking about*
Jun 23 01:57:08 <emocakes> m_billybob this is a full OS port to C#
Jun 23 01:57:14 <emocakes> so all java code is C# now
Jun 23 01:57:20 <Spirilis> ah yeah, Miguel de Icaza
Jun 23 01:57:22 <Spirilis> he is the mono guy
Jun 23 01:57:26 <Spirilis> it's all his pipe dream lol
Jun 23 01:57:30 <Spirilis> kudos to him for getting that working though
Jun 23 01:57:39 <m_billybob> emocakes, you're saying C# has replaced java now ?
Jun 23 01:57:54 <emocakes> in xobotOS yes, no dalvik vm, no java
Jun 23 01:57:56 <emocakes> its all C#
Jun 23 01:57:57 <emocakes> :P
Jun 23 01:58:02 <m_billybob> honestly i personally thinkthey should have *started* with java
Jun 23 01:58:16 <m_billybob> oh i mean vanilla android
Jun 23 01:58:21 <Spirilis> yeah those Xamarin guys did a one-off effort to rework android into C# but obviously Google isn't using that anywhere
Jun 23 01:58:24 <Spirilis> no
Jun 23 01:58:30 <Spirilis> vanilla android is still dalvik/java
Jun 23 01:58:30 <m_billybob> err should have started with C#
Jun 23 01:59:08 <m_billybob> so now im left wondering .  .how difficult it would be to port the runtime over to Debian . . .
Jun 23 01:59:43 <Spirilis> dunno but in some modern android phones, my last one included, the install is basically Android with Ubuntu alongside
Jun 23 01:59:52 <Spirilis> i.e. an implementation of ubuntu running out of a separate directory
Jun 23 01:59:55 <martinm> there are still some kernel-level oddities needed for Android
Jun 23 02:00:16 <Spirilis> ah
Jun 23 02:00:25 <ka6sox> hi Spirilis
Jun 23 02:00:28 <Spirilis> hey
Jun 23 02:00:54 <ka6sox> do you have a Github or gitoriuos account?
Jun 23 02:00:58 <Spirilis> yeah github
Jun 23 02:01:18 <ka6sox> putting all the design and pictures there would be awesome
Jun 23 02:01:25 <m_billybob> I did an apt-cache search mono | grep runtime yesterday and got abotu 15 hits . . . but going by the package naming. the .NET runtime on armhf seems very limited
Jun 23 02:01:36 <ka6sox> but I am not going to show baboo this....yet
Jun 23 02:01:59 <m_billybob> ka6sox lol what ? the bbb boosterpack cape Spirilis made ?
Jun 23 02:02:02 <Spirilis> ka6sox: for now I uploaded the important ones to my webhost and supplied the links in that forum thread
Jun 23 02:02:03 <emocakes> ka6sox what you doing?
Jun 23 02:02:14 <emocakes> or Spirilis what you making?
Jun 23 02:02:27 <Spirilis> that's all I'm doing with that one for now.  I have a 2nd release ready, might tweak it a bit but maybe I'll start with that one up on git
Jun 23 02:02:39 <Spirilis> emocakes: made a cape that exposes a TI LaunchPad-style boosterpack header set
Jun 23 02:02:58 <m_billybob> Spirilis have you had a play with it yet ? if so how does she go ?
Jun 23 02:03:06 <ka6sox> Spirilis, did you do the DT stuff for the BP Cape?
Jun 23 02:03:08 <Spirilis> m_billybob: just UART shit so far, but it works :)
Jun 23 02:03:16 <m_billybob> nice
Jun 23 02:03:40 <Spirilis> ka6sox: all I have done so far is got one of the pieces working, the UART.  The cape doesn't have an EEPROM or any standard DT file
Jun 23 02:03:53 <Spirilis> obviously since its configuration may differ wildly depending on what boosterpack you plug in
Jun 23 02:05:00 <emocakes> do you guys print your own pcbs? or use a service?
Jun 23 02:05:12 <Spirilis> I used a chinese fab for this one, elecrow.com
Jun 23 02:05:19 <m_billybob> i need to figure out how / what to do to start playign between my lp 1.5 and the bbb
Jun 23 02:05:22 <m_billybob> for testing stuff
Jun 23 02:05:29 <m_billybob> liek I2C UART SPI etc
Jun 23 02:05:34 <ka6sox> Spirilis, I have a different 3v1L plan for this cape
Jun 23 02:05:42 <ka6sox> thats why I'm asking
Jun 23 02:05:46 <Spirilis> ka6sox: ah, gotcha :)
Jun 23 02:06:16 <ka6sox> I plan on plugging *in* a MSP LP to it
Jun 23 02:06:36 <m_billybob> ah so we're kind of on the same page
Jun 23 02:06:37 <Spirilis> ka6sox: fyi the shipment went to bluehash @ 43oh, so his store should have them soon.  goofy thing is his store is only open on fridays, but if you're going to make a run of boards the Elecrow gerbers are there... I am doing a 2nd revision soon that has optional I2C pullup pads on the bottom side (and jumpers)
Jun 23 02:06:48 <Spirilis> hehe, yeah that would work too
Jun 23 02:07:09 <ka6sox> Spirilis, what eda app did you use?
Jun 23 02:07:15 <Spirilis> ka6sox: DipTrace
Jun 23 02:07:22 <ka6sox> the free one?
Jun 23 02:07:25 <Spirilis> yeah
Jun 23 02:07:37 <m_billybob> Spirilis, why cant you ship them directly ? i mean cost wise for shipign that kind of eats into any already miniscule "profits"
Jun 23 02:07:38 <Spirilis> they limit by "pin count", not board size (I like that)
Jun 23 02:07:45 <ka6sox> okay, I need to learn DT...hopefully there are 20 pins left
Jun 23 02:07:46 <Spirilis> m_billybob: I could, but I already sent them all out
Jun 23 02:07:55 <m_billybob> ah
Jun 23 02:08:10 <m_billybob> just curious as to why b# wouldnt let you do that already
Jun 23 02:08:16 <Spirilis> oh yeah, he doesn't care
Jun 23 02:08:19 <ka6sox> Spirilis, do you know if there are 20 pins left?
Jun 23 02:08:20 <m_billybob> seems like he trusts you
Jun 23 02:08:24 <Spirilis> ka6sox: let me pop in and check
Jun 23 02:09:05 <ka6sox> did you output the Schematic in pdf?
Jun 23 02:09:12 <ka6sox> or just in DipT
Jun 23 02:09:18 <m_billybob> ka6sox "learn device tree" I thought you had that down already lol
Jun 23 02:09:31 <ka6sox> m_billybob, DipTrace
Jun 23 02:09:37 <m_billybob> ah
Jun 23 02:09:53 <Spirilis> ka6sox: I used CutePDF to print it to PDF from diptrace's schematic app
Jun 23 02:10:08 <Spirilis> ka6sox: check the .zip file though it should have the .dch schematic file
Jun 23 02:10:21 <ka6sox> if I knew where it was I'd do so.
Jun 23 02:10:32 * m_billybob giggles
Jun 23 02:10:33 <ka6sox> because I don't knwo who your ISP or page is
Jun 23 02:10:55 <ka6sox> (which is why I asked if it was on github where a lot of these are)
Jun 23 02:11:07 <Spirilis> ah I posted links in that beaglefu.com thread.
Jun 23 02:11:10 <Spirilis> uhm
Jun 23 02:11:14 <ka6sox> uhm
Jun 23 02:11:15 <Spirilis> let me give you a direct link to the zip
Jun 23 02:11:27 <ka6sox> oh...the one I have to SIGN UP FOR?
Jun 23 02:11:38 <m_billybob> links you dont need to sign up for
Jun 23 02:11:40 <Spirilis> you should be able to view hyperlinks in posts as a guest?
Jun 23 02:11:46 <ka6sox> nope
Jun 23 02:11:53 <ka6sox> beaglefu SUCKS
Jun 23 02:12:20 <m_billybob> i tried getting b# to disabl that stuff, but i can understadn why he does that
Jun 23 02:12:25 <Spirilis> yes you can, I just signed out and looked at it
Jun 23 02:12:28 <Spirilis> you can view hyperlinks as a guest
Jun 23 02:12:35 <ka6sox> Spirilis, this is why I'm complaining...if its OSH..why do I have to jump thru hoops to get to it?
Jun 23 02:12:48 <Spirilis> anyway, here's the design files: http://spirilis.net/junk/beaglebone/bbblpv10/BeagleBone_LaunchPad_diptrace_designfiles.zip
Jun 23 02:13:19 <m_billybob> ka6sox but yeah thats partly why i have my own blog now ;)
Jun 23 02:13:44 <m_billybob> mostly the reason why is that i have my own blog, the material I put up belongs to me only.
Jun 23 02:14:09 <ka6sox> Spirilis, where are the pdfs?
Jun 23 02:14:48 <Spirilis> ka6sox: they're all in this post buddy.  http://forum.beaglefu.com/topic/49-beaglebone-launchpad-cape/?p=110
Jun 23 02:14:54 <Spirilis> the links you don't need to sign up to view ;)
Jun 23 02:15:08 <ka6sox> http://forum.beaglefu.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=25
Jun 23 02:15:35 <Spirilis> check the bottom of that post for the links
Jun 23 02:15:44 <Spirilis> "External links to these from my webhost:"
Jun 23 02:16:07 * ka6sox HATES ph0rums...they just SUCK to get things out of
Jun 23 02:16:29 <Spirilis> ah well, I like his forums although I always do forget about the "no d/l unless you sign up" thing.
Jun 23 02:16:43 <m_billybob> http://forum.beaglefu.com/topic/49-beaglebone-launchpad-cape/?p=110
Jun 23 02:16:44 <Spirilis> but for future beagle work, github.
Jun 23 02:16:47 <m_billybob> thats it
Jun 23 02:16:53 <m_billybob> I like his forums too
Jun 23 02:17:18 <m_billybob> much better than reading through the groups. o na visual level
Jun 23 02:19:25 * ka6sox looks to see if we can get SPI to talk to this
Jun 23 02:20:09 <m_billybob> think im going to work at getting UART running
Jun 23 02:20:13 <Spirilis> yep the way it handles it is 1 of the SPI pins happens to already share with I2C1 I think, the other does not so there's a jumper to flip that one
Jun 23 02:20:17 <m_billybob> from bbb to LP
Jun 23 02:20:46 <Spirilis> so what in MSP430 land they call "P1.6" is JMP on the bbblp cape, the jumper selects 0_5 (I2C1) or 0_3 (SPI)
Jun 23 02:20:59 <ka6sox> if we can make the LP a slave that would be awesome
Jun 23 02:21:06 <m_billybob> you can
Jun 23 02:21:13 <Spirilis> yeah
Jun 23 02:21:37 <ka6sox> okay, then I can probably programme it via the GPIOs too.
Jun 23 02:21:37 <Spirilis> off the top of my head I don't see any reason why that wouldn't work
Jun 23 02:21:54 <Spirilis> the TEST line isn't connected anywhere fyi and the RESET pin goes to the beagle's reset pin
Jun 23 02:22:09 * ka6sox adds that to the mod list
Jun 23 02:22:11 <Spirilis> so breaking out the MSP430's test/reset would be necessary for SBW of course
Jun 23 02:22:26 <Spirilis> breaking out to some GPIO's that is
Jun 23 02:22:31 <m_billybob> you can even put your own ( external )clock on SCLK if you wanted to i believe
Jun 23 02:22:36 <Spirilis> yeah
Jun 23 02:22:58 <ka6sox> Spirilis, the idea here is to create a LP/BP cape
Jun 23 02:23:21 <ka6sox> either one :)
Jun 23 02:23:32 <Spirilis> ka6sox: gotcha, pretty cool :)
Jun 23 02:23:40 <m_billybob> better than a BBB boosterpack ?
Jun 23 02:24:08 <Spirilis> ka6sox: so with the stock setup the UCB0STE line (P1.4) is on 1_16 on the beagle
Jun 23 02:24:36 * mranostay yawns
Jun 23 02:25:04 <m_billybob> ka6sox, so i take it this would be a learning tool for baboo ?
Jun 23 02:25:16 <ka6sox> okay I'll look at this once I get DipTr installed
Jun 23 02:25:37 <ka6sox> m_billybob, I'm thinking full up dev system
Jun 23 02:25:47 <ka6sox> using the bbb as host
Jun 23 02:26:04 <Spirilis> fyi I am still hunting for a way to view the "pin count" in diptrace lol
Jun 23 02:26:14 <Spirilis> the damned thing bitches at you when you exceed it but I'll be darned if I can find a counter showing it
Jun 23 02:26:16 <ka6sox> how many pins on the "free" like 300?
Jun 23 02:26:19 <m_billybob> definately a pretty cool thing to do. I had a similar idea, but not really as a cape, just male jumpers etc
Jun 23 02:26:20 <Spirilis> yeah
Jun 23 02:26:21 <Spirilis> 300
Jun 23 02:26:28 <Spirilis> and 2 signal layers, unlimited power/gnd layers though
Jun 23 02:26:40 <Spirilis> so with free edition you could roll a 4 layer pcb if 2 of them were a power and/or gnd layer
Jun 23 02:26:52 <ka6sox> 92 for P8/P9
Jun 23 02:27:01 <ka6sox> + 6 for the others
Jun 23 02:27:07 <ka6sox> + the BP ones
Jun 23 02:27:20 <Spirilis> ok so probably 138 in use then
Jun 23 02:27:22 <ka6sox> so there is room for 20 DIP
Jun 23 02:27:29 <Spirilis> yeah
Jun 23 02:27:35 <Spirilis> you could probably ditch the inner headers entirely
Jun 23 02:27:37 <Spirilis> since they won't apply
Jun 23 02:27:41 <Spirilis> that'll free up some routing space
Jun 23 02:27:54 <Spirilis> and ditch the 5VSRC crap
Jun 23 02:28:12 <Spirilis> that just points which of the 5V pin on the left inner header (top pin) sources from
Jun 23 02:28:27 <ka6sox> for this cape...I'd just want to make so that we can programme/talk to the MSP, then use the BP pins *from* the MSP
Jun 23 02:28:32 <m_billybob> hmm curious idea
Jun 23 02:28:46 <Spirilis> ah
Jun 23 02:28:47 <Spirilis> hmm
Jun 23 02:28:49 <m_billybob> has anyone tried getting the LP CDC drives workign on the BBB ?
Jun 23 02:28:52 <Spirilis> well that substantially simplifies it
Jun 23 02:28:56 <m_billybob> drivers*
Jun 23 02:29:04 <Spirilis> nothing needs to be connected except the SPI, Vcc and GND pins
Jun 23 02:29:17 <ka6sox> to programme it you would need lines
Jun 23 02:29:22 <ka6sox> for the sbw
Jun 23 02:29:22 <Spirilis> er yeah
Jun 23 02:29:23 <Spirilis> those :)
Jun 23 02:29:29 <Spirilis> plus spi/vcc/gnd
Jun 23 02:29:43 <Spirilis> fyi I'll share my TIBoosterPacks diptrace component library with you
Jun 23 02:30:00 <Spirilis> just so it's not unfamiliar territory fumbling in the wind lol
Jun 23 02:30:26 <m_billybob> ka6sox, just saying sbw works in linux, last i heard not always so well but . ..
Jun 23 02:30:54 <Spirilis> m_billybob: I am assuming ka6sox intends to write a from-scratch SBW implementation using the beagle's GPIOs.
Jun 23 02:30:55 <m_billybob> kind of an interresting idea at least to me
Jun 23 02:31:20 <m_billybob> oh sure im just saying or askign if anyone has actually programmed teh LP fro mthe BBB
Jun 23 02:31:22 <Spirilis> otherwise he'd have to interface a FET somehow
Jun 23 02:31:25 <Spirilis> ah
Jun 23 02:31:28 <Spirilis> haven't tried it
Jun 23 02:31:41 <ka6sox> Spirilis, not exactly
Jun 23 02:31:45 <m_billybob> in my case probably no armhf capable binaries
Jun 23 02:32:15 <ka6sox> I intend to let the PRU programme it
Jun 23 02:32:24 <Spirilis> ka6sox: ahh k, was just thinking of that :)
Jun 23 02:32:29 <Spirilis> to get the timings accurate
Jun 23 02:32:40 <Spirilis> now that'll be a badass project
Jun 23 02:33:12 <ka6sox> Spirilis, this is my Summer Project (well...I'm helping to mentor this)
Jun 23 02:33:13 <ka6sox> https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/jj2baile/1
Jun 23 02:33:45 <ka6sox> the intention is to make the BB* into a Badass programmer/debugger
Jun 23 02:34:11 <m_billybob> thats pretty cool
Jun 23 02:34:44 <Spirilis> ahh
Jun 23 02:34:45 <Spirilis> neato
Jun 23 02:34:53 <m_billybob> I think someone is already doing that with the Stelllaris LP using black magic probe
Jun 23 02:35:00 <emocakes> again
Jun 23 02:35:01 <emocakes> Angstrom v2012.12 - Kernel 3.8.13
Jun 23 02:35:01 <emocakes> beaglebone login: [  180.197459] INFO: task mmcqd/0:72 blocked for more than 60 seconds.
Jun 23 02:35:01 <emocakes> [  180.204057] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
Jun 23 02:35:06 <emocakes> with the newest image
Jun 23 02:35:10 <emocakes> >:(
Jun 23 02:35:29 <emocakes> im using a 16gb uSD card
Jun 23 02:35:30 <m_billybob> emocakes post to the groups if you have already
Jun 23 02:35:38 <emocakes> linky?
Jun 23 02:35:41 <m_billybob> if you havent already*
Jun 23 02:35:47 <ka6sox> Spirilis, I've designed a cape that should be able to electrically do JTAG/SBW/SWD/AVRisp
Jun 23 02:35:47 <m_billybob> beaglebone google groups
Jun 23 02:35:52 <m_billybob> google it ;)
Jun 23 02:36:04 <Spirilis> ka6sox: slick!
Jun 23 02:36:11 <Spirilis> the mother of all programmers
Jun 23 02:36:17 <m_billybob> Gerald will most likly comment, or maybe one of the kernel devs
Jun 23 02:36:48 <ka6sox> Spirilis, with AVRdude and openOCD I'm hoping to make this do debugging as well...running gdbserver
Jun 23 02:36:55 <m_billybob> emocakes, sorry i meant beagleboard google groups  . . . but either i believe your message will get seen
Jun 23 02:36:56 <Spirilis> aye
Jun 23 02:37:26 <ka6sox> okay bbl...
Jun 23 02:37:28 <ka6sox> dinner
Jun 23 02:38:19 <m_billybob> emocakes in any case try and image from a month or so ago, if that doesnt work go back further
Jun 23 02:38:48 <m_billybob> emocakes if nothign else it be ammo for info to give to Gerlad, koen and possibly Roberrt Nelson
Jun 23 02:39:06 <emocakes> yup
Jun 23 02:39:16 <emocakes> i'll try an older image, then post
Jun 23 02:39:31 <m_billybob> bbiaf dogs wanout something fierce
Jun 23 02:42:08 <Spirilis> ka6sox: fyi https://github.com/spirilis/diptrace/ ...  .lib files are pattern libraries, .eli are component libraries (but IIRC .eli's keep a copy of their pattern inside the .eli file too)
Jun 23 02:42:52 <Spirilis> component libraries provide schematic symbols and have patterns associated that get transferred to the PCB design program when you "Convert to PCB"
Jun 23 02:43:31 <Spirilis> then pattern libraries can be tweaked & components reassigned a different pattern as you wish (or you can replace a pre-supplied pattern from a component with a new pattern from one of those pattern libs)
Jun 23 02:44:55 <ka6sox> Spirilis, thanks....
Jun 23 02:45:25 <ka6sox> Spirilis, this is the BoneTag design: https://github.com/ka6sox/BoneTag
Jun 23 02:47:54 <Spirilis> neato
Jun 23 02:48:07 <ka6sox> doing layout now
Jun 23 02:48:15 <ka6sox> when I'm done I'll post that too
Jun 23 02:48:16 <Spirilis> I see what you mean, P1.1/P1.2 laid out on the TI connector for UART backchannel for gdb I guess?
Jun 23 02:48:26 <ka6sox> yes
Jun 23 02:48:39 <ka6sox> this is what the LP does
Jun 23 02:49:42 <ka6sox> the SBW connector is the same 1.27mm one that is on the LP
Jun 23 02:51:31 <Spirilis> gotcha
Jun 23 02:52:42 <ka6sox> so it will do ezChronos too
Jun 23 02:52:51 <ka6sox> or is that ezMSP...can't remember the name
Jun 23 02:53:54 <Spirilis> eZ430 I think
Jun 23 02:54:01 <Spirilis> but the chronos uses the same pinout I think?
Jun 23 02:54:05 <Spirilis> for programming
Jun 23 02:54:44 <ka6sox> ya, thats what I remember
Jun 23 02:54:45 <Spirilis> heh I should get some suitable 1.27mm headers for that and use it in projects instead of jumper wires or the extra special setup I did with my F5172 LP
Jun 23 02:55:29 <ka6sox> frad?
Jun 23 02:56:26 <ka6sox> okay wife is in KILL mode...must head out to eat...bbl
Jun 23 02:58:20 <emocakes> cya
Jun 23 02:58:37 <emocakes> so i use a different sd card and it seems to be working m_billybob, martinm
Jun 23 02:58:39 <emocakes> strange
Jun 23 02:59:05 <martinm> hardware sucks
Jun 23 02:59:25 <emocakes> both the same capacity, both sandisk, one is a sandisk ultra (not working), other is sandisk black and that works
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