**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 26 02:59:58 2013
Jun 26 03:04:22 * ds2 throws scooby snacks around
Jun 26 03:05:08 <thurgood> ragggy?
Jun 26 03:32:49 <prpplague> Russ: can we sync up next week about the Tick ?
Jun 26 03:34:26 <prpplague> ds2: can i get prozac instead?
Jun 26 03:36:11 <ds2> prpplague: only if you move to CA
Jun 26 03:36:21 <prpplague> ds2: uh..... NO
Jun 26 03:40:20 <Boomer_> Hello
Jun 26 03:40:30 <Boomer_> anyone active?
Jun 26 03:42:23 <prpplague> Boomer_: i'm passive
Jun 26 03:43:02 <Boomer_> prpplague: any experience with opkg? I keep getting this error:  * pkg_run_script: package "bonescript" postinst script returned status 1.  * opkg_configure: bonescript.postinst returned 1.
Jun 26 03:43:40 <prpplague> Boomer_: hehe that sounds like an issue with the BS package
Jun 26 03:45:47 <Boomer_> yea, i am trying to reinstall it (bonescript (1.0-r21.4)) maybe that will fix it?
Jun 26 03:46:54 <Boomer_> Still giving me errors: "Configuring bonescript. Job for bonescript.socket failed. See 'systemctl status bonescript.socket' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. Collected errors:  * pkg_run_script: package "bonescript" postrm script returned status 1.  * pkg_run_script: package "bonescript" postinst script returned status 1.  * opkg_configure: bonescript.postinst returned 1."
Jun 26 03:57:38 <mranostay> prpplague: can i make the Ringworm cape?
Jun 26 04:49:17 <av500> gah, my fingers are frozen
Jun 26 04:50:18 <ds2> stop using peltier coolers on the x86 boards!
Jun 26 04:51:05 <av500> or stop biking to work
Jun 26 04:51:07 <av500> in summer
Jun 26 04:51:31 <av500> in winter I would have packed gloves
Jun 26 04:51:35 <ds2> u got transfered to sweden?
Jun 26 04:51:40 <av500> not yet
Jun 26 04:52:41 <ds2> Finland?
Jun 26 04:52:46 <ds2> Norway?
Jun 26 04:52:50 <ds2> Siberia?
Jun 26 04:59:16 <mranostay> hey!
Jun 26 05:14:02 <mranostay> hi mrpacket_
Jun 26 05:14:33 <perry_> how many RJ-45 port in begle board ?
Jun 26 05:14:51 <mranostay> er
Jun 26 05:14:53 <mranostay> one
Jun 26 05:15:07 <av500> mranostay: count carefully
Jun 26 05:15:56 <perry_> can we extend upto 5 with some external accesory
Jun 26 05:15:57 <mrpacket_> mranostay:
Jun 26 05:15:59 <mrpacket_> im here.
Jun 26 05:17:51 <perry_> RJ-45 support ASE-100TX or BASE1000-T ?
Jun 26 05:20:03 <ds2> \
Jun 26 05:21:21 <mrpacket_> mranostay: what did you want
Jun 26 05:21:43 <mranostay> mrpacket_: just you :P
Jun 26 05:22:09 <mranostay> perry_: no gigabit for sure :)
Jun 26 05:22:36 <mrpacket_> sorry, im spoken for
Jun 26 05:22:43 <mrpacket_> but its nice to be wanted
Jun 26 05:24:00 <mranostay> mrpacket_: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/153
Jun 26 05:24:29 <mrpacket_> what?
Jun 26 05:24:50 <mrpacket_> 26-26-54
Jun 26 05:24:50 <mrpacket_> mmm
Jun 26 05:24:51 <mrpacket_> werid.
Jun 26 05:32:36 <ka6sox> mranostay, fuzzy enough for ya?
Jun 26 05:33:05 <mranostay> ka6sox: i demand more
Jun 26 05:37:53 <ka6sox> mranostay, you can't handle it....
Jun 26 05:39:26 <ka6sox> mranostay, I think I'll bring him home as a "Pet"
Jun 26 05:39:54 <ka6sox> I'm sure the wife would LOVE that
Jun 26 05:40:09 * mranostay hates spiders
Jun 26 05:40:27 <mranostay> ka6sox: you want a divorce?
Jun 26 05:40:34 <ka6sox> mranostay, whats your mailing address?
Jun 26 05:40:51 <av500> bridge, portland
Jun 26 05:40:59 <dm8tbr> ka6sox: intel portland
Jun 26 05:41:20 <Windex007> I'm having trouble flashing my BBBK. I've tried with 3 different images (the flashing kind), and one of which I know is good because I'd previously flashed with it. The "heartbeat" stops after anywhere between 2seconds and 5 minutes. Sometimes the heartbeat never stops, but none of the other LEDs light at all, and after 90 minutes I give up and try again. I've tried with USB on a laptop, desktop, and a 1A source (via USB). What w
Jun 26 05:41:59 <dm8tbr> Windex007: how do you write the image to the sd card?
Jun 26 05:42:24 <mranostay> ka6sox: what for a bombo or spider? :)
Jun 26 05:42:44 <Windex007> dm8tbr win32 disk imager. I've tried 2 different SD cards.
Jun 26 05:46:22 <Windex007> How common is it to brick a BBBK? Is it too soon for me to start wondering that?
Jun 26 05:48:33 <Russ> you'd actually have to damage the hardware
Jun 26 05:48:37 <av500> not at all
Jun 26 05:49:16 <Russ> prpplague, sure
Jun 26 05:49:38 <mranostay> gah first vpn fail
Jun 26 05:50:22 <ka6sox> mranostay, a surprise.
Jun 26 05:50:35 <ka6sox> The Cat will be amused
Jun 26 05:50:36 <mrpacket_> fuses.
Jun 26 05:50:42 <Windex007> ok, well that is good news. I didn't pay too much attention the last time I successfully flashed the eMMC, I'm assuming that the SD card activity LED and the eMMC access LEDs should be at least blinking periodically. If the only LED that's going is the heartbeat over the span of 10 minutes, is it safe to assume that the eMMC isn't being flashed?
Jun 26 05:50:45 <mranostay> youtube  fail
Jun 26 05:51:01 <mranostay> ka6sox: don't bring the cat into this please
Jun 26 06:03:25 <ky> hello, anybody here?
Jun 26 06:04:07 <m_billybob> yeah im here
Jun 26 06:04:11 <m_billybob> dahm . . .too late
Jun 26 06:04:58 <m_billybob> let me guess, whats a question that hasnt bee nasked yet hmmm . ..
Jun 26 06:05:46 <m_billybob> "what type of video card can I use with the BBB ? can I use my AGP card, or do i have to use a PCI card?"
Jun 26 06:06:47 <mrpacket_> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1017572_10151694348387661_1871977789_n.jpg
Jun 26 06:06:48 <prpplague> HA
Jun 26 06:06:55 <mrpacket_> can i put these fuses on a BBB
Jun 26 06:06:56 <prpplague> m_billybob: good one
Jun 26 06:07:05 <mrpacket_> the board is black
Jun 26 06:07:10 <mrpacket_> so will it fit?
Jun 26 06:07:30 <mrpacket_> i went out and bought a new shiney macbook this afternoon
Jun 26 06:07:40 * mrpacket_ waits for the mac-haters to troll
Jun 26 06:09:55 * emeb_mac is not a hater
Jun 26 06:10:06 <prpplague> hehe
Jun 26 06:10:41 <emeb_mac> but I do troll from time to time
Jun 26 06:11:16 <m_billybob> use what you want mrpacket_
Jun 26 06:11:20 <emocakes> macs suck
Jun 26 06:11:28 <emocakes> hope you enjoy being locked into a platform mrpacket_
Jun 26 06:11:29 <emeb_mac> yay! we have a winner
Jun 26 06:11:38 <m_billybob> id never buy one but thats me.
Jun 26 06:11:43 <Russ> heh, linux runs on macs just fine afaik
Jun 26 06:11:48 <emocakes> try running microsoft office 2013 on that mrpacket_
Jun 26 06:11:55 <mastiff> does it have more than one mouse button?
Jun 26 06:12:00 <Russ> if people are willing to pay a premium for the hardware, more power to them
Jun 26 06:12:01 <m_billybob> Linux runs fine on a beagelbone black . . .
Jun 26 06:12:06 <m_billybob> linux runs on anything.
Jun 26 06:12:15 <Russ> mastiff, if its a standard touch pad, you can use multitouch
Jun 26 06:12:17 <m_billybob> except perhaps a garden slug
Jun 26 06:12:21 <emocakes> macs are horrinle and bloated
Jun 26 06:12:34 <emocakes> have you got an iPhone and iPad as well mrpacket_?
Jun 26 06:12:34 <Russ> man, those bloated macbook airs
Jun 26 06:12:40 <m_billybob> lol
Jun 26 06:12:48 <emeb_mac> they're huuuuuuge
Jun 26 06:12:53 <m_billybob> apple does sell good hardware.
Jun 26 06:12:55 <emeb_mac> and so heavy
Jun 26 06:12:59 <Russ> emocakes, how about just assume we are all iFanboys here, it'll make things more fun
Jun 26 06:13:17 <emeb_mac> Fruitco 4-ever
Jun 26 06:13:32 <Russ> when will they bring back the rainbow, that's what I want to know
Jun 26 06:13:35 <emocakes> i have a microsoft surface
Jun 26 06:13:46 <emocakes> and i drive a hybrid car
Jun 26 06:13:49 <Russ> emocakes, you are learning the way of the troll I see
Jun 26 06:13:58 <emocakes> <3 Russ
Jun 26 06:14:02 <emocakes> i was born with it
Jun 26 06:14:05 <emeb_mac> to troll is to be, to be is to troll
Jun 26 06:14:08 <emocakes> but honestly, I like macs
Jun 26 06:14:20 <emocakes> for the operating system anyway
Jun 26 06:14:28 <emocakes> beautiful rendering engine, and solid unix core
Jun 26 06:14:31 <emocakes> thats about all
Jun 26 06:14:55 <emeb_mac> expensive hardware, constant feature churn
Jun 26 06:15:00 <Russ> who could not look at these pcbs and not be left in a state of awe http://bunniefoo.com/ntw/ntw_june_2013_top.jpg
Jun 26 06:15:28 <Russ> (iphone 5)
Jun 26 06:15:43 <emeb_mac> scary!
Jun 26 06:18:38 * m_billybob is stil lookign for a way to install his ATI 7950 onto his BBB
Jun 26 06:19:02 <m_billybob> err yeah "AMD"
Jun 26 06:19:06 <Russ> I imagine if you really wanted to, you could hack up a 1 lane pci express connection
Jun 26 06:19:17 <m_billybob> GPMC maybe ?
Jun 26 06:19:17 <Russ> you'd need a phy though
Jun 26 06:20:58 <m_billybob> ok so once i get that done, then ill be porting all the drivers over to WinRT embedded
Jun 26 06:21:32 <m_billybob> So i can play crysis :)
Jun 26 06:21:51 <Russ> a video of m_billybob coding winrt drivers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsbagZvkrbo
Jun 26 06:23:42 <m_billybob> hehehe
Jun 26 06:23:57 <m_billybob> i especialy like the guy who back flipps and landed on his face
Jun 26 06:25:17 <av500> that was the node-js guy
Jun 26 06:25:32 <Russ> he did look like a bad ass rock star
Jun 26 06:25:55 <m_billybob> lol
Jun 26 06:27:47 <russell--> pru_evtout_2: isn't that the whole point of device tree overlays?  assume you've read this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?hl=en&forcehl=1#heading=h.j4ega7pcz5c
Jun 26 06:28:01 <mrpacket_> I also have a CANON camera.
Jun 26 06:28:07 <mrpacket_> weres the nikon lovers
Jun 26 06:28:14 <emocakes> i have a canon 5dm3
Jun 26 06:28:26 <m_billybob> <--- Nikon D40
Jun 26 06:28:31 <emocakes> with probably 10k -
Jun 26 06:28:39 <m_billybob> Again, use whatever you like ;)
Jun 26 06:28:39 <emocakes> of canon L series glass
Jun 26 06:28:41 <ka6sox> Canon XSi
Jun 26 06:29:14 <mrpacket_> m_billybob: as long as its not a raspberry PI
Jun 26 06:29:16 <m_billybob> only $500 worth of glass here, thats all i need
Jun 26 06:30:00 <m_billybob> favorite lens is a very nice F1.8 portrait lens retails for $120
Jun 26 06:30:23 <adh88ca> is there anyway to read data being input from a usb hid device such as a scanner or keyboard?
Jun 26 06:30:35 <emocakes> m_billybob 85mm?
Jun 26 06:30:37 <mrpacket_> adh88ca: you plug it into a mac
Jun 26 06:30:53 <m_billybob> emocakes 50MM or effectively 75mm
Jun 26 06:31:02 <emocakes> fav lens is a 24mm USM L II f/1.4 at the moment
Jun 26 06:31:27 <mrpacket_> i saw a f2.0 800mm L series last week in KL
Jun 26 06:31:31 <emocakes> lol
Jun 26 06:31:39 <av500> f2.0?
Jun 26 06:31:40 <emocakes> want to pay > $5k?
Jun 26 06:31:41 <emocakes> lol
Jun 26 06:31:43 <av500> that cheap shit?
Jun 26 06:31:53 <emocakes> jesus, f2.0 800 would be like 20k?
Jun 26 06:32:01 <mrpacket_> it was about 60,000 i think
Jun 26 06:32:05 <emocakes> :|
Jun 26 06:32:10 <adh88ca> mrpacket_: i'm trying to log items scanned by a barcode scanner. the device works like a normal keyboard, but i would like to create a background service that logs the input
Jun 26 06:32:21 <Russ> point&shoot4life
Jun 26 06:32:21 <m_billybob> emocakes -> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?Q=&A=endecaSearch&InitialSearch=yes&N=0&O=&Ntt=Nikkor+50mm.+F1.8+Lens
Jun 26 06:32:27 <m_billybob> thats it the one on the top
Jun 26 06:32:38 <emocakes> not bad, shame its nikon ;)
Jun 26 06:33:10 <mrpacket_> next thing we will hear is that the best chocolate in teh world is Swiss
Jun 26 06:33:12 <emocakes> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/590449-USA/Canon_2750B002_EF_24mm_f_1_4L_II.html
Jun 26 06:33:14 <emocakes> this one
Jun 26 06:33:16 <av500> nikon lenses fit canon cameras just fine :)
Jun 26 06:33:22 <m_billybob> yeah well i have tons of lightning strikes taken with that camera :)
Jun 26 06:33:26 <m_billybob> andthey all lok great
Jun 26 06:33:38 <emocakes> yah but you need a special adapter av500 and even more special to get auto aperture control
Jun 26 06:33:53 <av500> auto is for whimps
Jun 26 06:33:55 <m_billybob> some kind of F banonet adapter
Jun 26 06:34:04 <m_billybob> its not auto on my camera av500
Jun 26 06:34:08 <m_billybob> MF only
Jun 26 06:34:15 <emocakes> av500, yu need electronic aperture control on canon lenses
Jun 26 06:34:19 <emocakes> at least the EF lenses
Jun 26 06:34:22 <av500> yes
Jun 26 06:34:26 <av500> but we said nikon lenses
Jun 26 06:34:29 <emocakes> yah
Jun 26 06:34:36 <emocakes> and we said on canon bodies
Jun 26 06:34:37 <mrpacket_> Nikon sucks
Jun 26 06:35:10 <av500> bitbanging lenses ftw
Jun 26 06:35:18 <m_billybob> my nikkor lens works pretty good on my Nikon ;)
Jun 26 06:36:02 <m_billybob> a lot of Zeiss glass on Nikkor lenses or used to be
Jun 26 06:36:08 <av500> lol, that renesas RX toolchain comes in an RPM
Jun 26 06:36:16 <mrpacket_> Nikon DT?
Jun 26 06:36:31 <LetoThe2nd> av500: aw, renesas in the morning... i was just about to sober u
Jun 26 06:36:45 <m_billybob> renesas toolchina in an RPM ?
Jun 26 06:37:03 <m_billybob> err lol toolchain
Jun 26 06:37:12 <av500> tooljapan
Jun 26 06:37:19 <m_billybob> toolgermany
Jun 26 06:37:25 <av500> made in germany
Jun 26 06:37:41 <av500> Knipex Alligator ftw
Jun 26 06:37:43 <m_billybob> made in my head :)
Jun 26 06:38:05 <m_billybob> av500 so you like the renesas RX ?
Jun 26 06:38:10 <av500> totally
Jun 26 06:38:26 <m_billybob> Spirilis been playing with that kit for trhe last 4 months or so he seems to like it too
Jun 26 06:38:29 <mrpacket_> two web sites, i'm loving
Jun 26 06:38:34 <mrpacket_> www.octopart.com
Jun 26 06:38:39 <mrpacket_> and www.verical.com
Jun 26 06:38:54 <av500> meh, I use dx.com
Jun 26 06:39:02 <av500> for the good stuffz
Jun 26 06:39:14 <av500> m_billybob: i have that joke of a SAKURA board
Jun 26 06:39:26 <m_billybob> not familiar with it
Jun 26 06:39:37 <av500> think RX arduino
Jun 26 06:39:41 <m_billybob> never touched them but i was interrested at some point
Jun 26 06:39:43 <m_billybob> ah
Jun 26 06:39:44 <av500> just without all the support
Jun 26 06:39:47 <av500> and community
Jun 26 06:40:00 <av500> toolchain behind a "sign up and register"
Jun 26 06:40:16 <av500> but there is a web compiler
Jun 26 06:40:16 <av500> in pink
Jun 26 06:40:35 <m_billybob> I only have ... bbb of course a couple msp430 LPs a stellaris LP and an FRDM-KL25z
Jun 26 06:41:00 <m_billybob> Renesas was giving away several RX kits a few months back
Jun 26 06:41:09 <m_billybob> tried getting one but they never mailed me back
Jun 26 06:42:09 <m_billybob> ug web compiler . . .
Jun 26 06:42:33 <mrpacket_> octopart.com helps find avaialbility and parts really quickly.
Jun 26 06:43:00 <m_billybob> do a price and availiblity on CC3000 ;)
Jun 26 06:43:16 <mrpacket_> not even sure what a CC3000 is
Jun 26 06:43:26 <av500> m_billybob: I filled out some form
Jun 26 06:43:37 <m_billybob> msp430 FR series with WIFI
Jun 26 06:43:41 <av500> and a some time later a board arrived
Jun 26 06:43:50 <mrpacket_> 3, 1, 8, 23
Jun 26 06:44:03 <mrpacket_> prices between  199.50 and 231.59
Jun 26 06:44:09 <m_billybob> av500 i used my gmail for contact . . .thatsprobably why
Jun 26 06:44:23 <av500> m_billybob: CC3000 was free
Jun 26 06:44:25 <av500> from TI :)
Jun 26 06:44:40 <mrpacket_> av500: got a link?
Jun 26 06:44:41 <m_billybob> mrpacket_ lol thats insane
Jun 26 06:44:47 <mrpacket_> whats inane?
Jun 26 06:44:50 <av500> mrpacket_: TI -> CC3000 -> sample
Jun 26 06:44:54 <m_billybob> thsoe prices
Jun 26 06:45:07 <mrpacket_> insanely expensive, or cheap
Jun 26 06:45:08 <mrpacket_> or what?
Jun 26 06:45:14 <m_billybob> CC3000MOD i should have specified
Jun 26 06:45:20 <m_billybob> way too expensive
Jun 26 06:45:35 <mrpacket_> that makes a bit difference
Jun 26 06:45:48 <m_billybob> the chips used to be $8 each
Jun 26 06:45:58 <mrpacket_> 11.77 to 14.88
Jun 26 06:46:02 <av500> yes
Jun 26 06:46:05 <av500> and distri prices
Jun 26 06:46:10 <av500> of course they are over the moon
Jun 26 06:46:24 <av500> nobody pays these
Jun 26 06:46:29 <m_billybob> thats not too bad
Jun 26 06:47:00 <m_billybob> lowbal must be avnet for quantities of 100 +
Jun 26 06:49:01 <m_billybob> hmm its digikey they've been geting compeditive here lately
Jun 26 06:49:28 <mrpacket_> the eval doesnt seem free
Jun 26 06:49:29 <mrpacket_> :-)\
Jun 26 06:49:43 <m_billybob> ~$40 right ?
Jun 26 06:49:45 <av500> m_billybob: btw, the CC3000 does not have a customer CPU inside
Jun 26 06:49:55 <av500> that comes only later
Jun 26 06:49:58 <av500> M4
Jun 26 06:50:04 <av500> but not out yet
Jun 26 06:50:05 <m_billybob> ?
Jun 26 06:50:28 <av500> [08:43:37] <m_billybob> msp430 FR series with WIFI
Jun 26 06:50:54 <av500> the cc3000 is just the radio
Jun 26 06:50:57 <av500> and stack
Jun 26 06:51:03 <av500> but you cannot run code on it
Jun 26 06:51:09 <av500> so you need another host cpu
Jun 26 06:51:13 <av500> which is stupid
Jun 26 06:51:23 <av500> hence one with an M4 inside
Jun 26 06:51:27 <av500> later
Jun 26 06:51:29 <m_billybob> http://www.ti.com/product/cc3000
Jun 26 06:51:55 <m_billybob> he TI CC3000 module is a self-contained wireless network processor that simplifies the implementation of Internet connectivity. TI’s SimpleLink Wi-Fi solution minimizes the software requirements of the host microcontroller (MCU) and is thus the ideal solution for embedded applications using any low-cost and low-power MCU.
Jun 26 06:52:03 <av500> yes
Jun 26 06:52:05 <av500> as I said
Jun 26 06:52:09 <av500> it cannot run user code
Jun 26 06:52:26 <av500> which is stupid
Jun 26 06:52:29 <m_billybob> never used one always assumed it could
Jun 26 06:52:32 <av500> no
Jun 26 06:52:40 <av500> you need an external host
Jun 26 06:52:56 <av500> and there is of course an mcu inside
Jun 26 06:52:56 <das> wtf is the point of a NW CPU if you don't build a gateway ?
Jun 26 06:53:10 <av500> that does the ip and wifi stack
Jun 26 06:53:24 <av500> das: IoT
Jun 26 06:53:26 <m_billybob> yeah its the lowest priced wifi modukle
Jun 26 06:53:34 <m_billybob> module*
Jun 26 06:53:48 <av500> well, a wifi moduly is $1.5 in china
Jun 26 06:53:53 <m_billybob> well lowest priced, that I would trust
Jun 26 06:53:59 <av500> but you need an os with a wifi stack
Jun 26 06:54:05 <av500> hence linux
Jun 26 06:54:16 <m_billybob> wiznet has some pretty good stuff too for no OS hosts
Jun 26 06:54:18 <av500> cc3000 is nice for having the stack inside
Jun 26 06:54:28 <av500> m_billybob: yep, git that here somewhere too
Jun 26 06:54:31 <av500> got
Jun 26 06:55:00 <m_billybob> which one ?
Jun 26 06:55:06 <av500> no idea
Jun 26 06:55:10 <av500> lil pcb with a rj45
Jun 26 06:55:16 <m_billybob> hehehe
Jun 26 06:55:23 <av500> coworker
Jun 26 06:55:41 <av500> I think this office has more stuff from side projects than work related :)
Jun 26 06:55:50 <m_billybob> hahaha
Jun 26 06:55:56 <av500> 2 HAMs, another guy and mer
Jun 26 06:55:57 <av500> me
Jun 26 06:56:13 <m_billybob> sounds like me at home
Jun 26 06:56:20 <av500> we should open after work as a tinkerspace
Jun 26 06:56:38 <m_billybob> go for a kickstarter project ;)
Jun 26 06:56:43 <av500> yeah
Jun 26 06:56:46 <m_billybob> ( from work after hours )
Jun 26 06:56:48 <av500> they dont take non-us :)
Jun 26 06:56:57 <m_billybob> no?
Jun 26 06:57:09 <m_billybob> thats silly
Jun 26 06:57:17 <av500> legal reasons
Jun 26 06:57:19 <av500> money involved
Jun 26 06:57:24 <av500> lots potentially
Jun 26 06:57:38 <m_billybob> should be a way to work aroudn that though
Jun 26 06:57:43 <m_billybob> like being bonded or something
Jun 26 06:58:25 <av500> when I ordered the cc3000 sample from TI I expected a small EVM
Jun 26 06:58:32 <av500> not the naked module :)
Jun 26 06:59:04 <av500> like this http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/450-0089/450-0089-ND/3024964?WT.z_cid=ref_octopart_dkc_buynow
Jun 26 06:59:05 <m_billybob> you're in germany ?
Jun 26 06:59:09 <av500> Ja
Jun 26 06:59:24 <m_billybob> should make a quickstarter scene there ;)
Jun 26 06:59:40 <av500> yeah
Jun 26 06:59:54 <m_billybob> I lived in Kitzegen for 3 years
Jun 26 06:59:57 <m_billybob> back in the 80's
Jun 26 07:00:42 <m_billybob> close to Wurzburg
Jun 26 07:01:18 <m_billybob> guess that would have been Kitzigen
Jun 26 07:01:34 <av500> ....The problem is that the Sakura firmware and library is the property of the Tokushu Denshi Kairo Inc. They don't want to publish it.You can buy an RXduino full license (for 94,500 yen), but I don't know what this exactly mean. ...
Jun 26 07:01:43 <av500> \o/
Jun 26 07:01:47 <av500> yay for a dev board
Jun 26 07:02:00 <av500> I think I will shoot it
Jun 26 07:02:24 <av500> epic: http://renesasrulz.com/app_kits_and_demo_boards/gadget_renesas_user_forum/f/128/t/3923.aspx
Jun 26 07:02:47 <m_billybob> So the toolchain for say an RX600 wouldnt work ?
Jun 26 07:03:03 <av500> no idea
Jun 26 07:03:14 <m_billybob> I bet Spirilis could tell ya
Jun 26 07:03:19 <av500> I'm not really interested
Jun 26 07:03:28 <av500> I just wanted the "out of the box" experience
Jun 26 07:04:20 <m_billybob> that doesnt even look like an RX600 kit
Jun 26 07:04:38 <m_billybob> the RX600 i think it was, has an LCD and all kinds of experimentors stuff on it
Jun 26 07:04:44 <av500> its a SAKURA!
Jun 26 07:04:51 <m_billybob> i know . . .
Jun 26 07:05:00 <av500> http://sakuraboard.net/
Jun 26 07:05:11 <av500> japanese girls dig it
Jun 26 07:05:30 <m_billybob> lol
Jun 26 07:05:39 <m_billybob> I bet someone will eventually port gcc over to it
Jun 26 07:05:51 <m_billybob> well i mean if it takes off
Jun 26 07:05:54 <das> "Now I know there are a lot of software like corpses lying under the name as open source." awww :(
Jun 26 07:06:11 <av500> m_billybob: there is gcc
Jun 26 07:07:37 <Russ> its pink
Jun 26 07:07:43 <av500> yes
Jun 26 07:07:47 <av500> that is about it
Jun 26 07:07:54 <Russ> where do you get pink soldermask?
Jun 26 07:08:00 <av500> in japan
Jun 26 07:08:07 <m_billybob> wait a minute it uses a web based toolchain too !
Jun 26 07:08:13 <KotH> JIHAD! IN JAPAN!
Jun 26 07:08:16 <m_billybob> so they can steal your code when you'renot looking
Jun 26 07:08:32 <Russ> I like the translations
Jun 26 07:08:39 <Russ> "Let's change the flashing lights!"
Jun 26 07:10:03 <m_billybob> echo "blinky" > usrled0
Jun 26 07:10:58 <KotH> av500: apropos japanese... i have to show you my manga style linux beginners book :)
Jun 26 07:11:16 <KotH> av500: http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%81%BD%E3%81%88%E3%82%8A%E3%81%AA-Linux%E8%90%8C%E3%81%88%E8%90%8C%E3%81%88%E5%A4%A7%E4%BD%9C%E6%88%A6/dp/4798007935/ :-)
Jun 26 07:11:29 <mrpacket_> KotH: chocolate, Nikon, Mac, Apple Linux, Hybrid, Coke, Pepsi, Vodka
Jun 26 07:11:52 <KotH> mrpacket_: did you eat too much kiwi or something?
Jun 26 07:12:09 <mrpacket_> no, i was just giving you todays topic list
Jun 26 07:12:18 <mrpacket_> so you can keep the trolling going while we sleep
Jun 26 07:12:42 <mrpacket_> its now a relay
Jun 26 07:12:42 <mrpacket_> race
Jun 26 07:12:51 <m_billybob> tag you're it ?
Jun 26 07:12:56 <KotH> ok...
Jun 26 07:13:00 <KotH> i'll keep going!
Jun 26 07:13:03 <KotH> er...
Jun 26 07:13:07 <KotH> i'll keep trolling!
Jun 26 07:13:20 <mrpacket_> i think also theres a new assigment being done on BBB
Jun 26 07:13:33 <mrpacket_> " I can't compile 1-wire Fs for blackbone "
Jun 26 07:13:46 <mrpacket_> can we shoot these teachers
Jun 26 07:13:50 <m_billybob> no there is another better assignment
Jun 26 07:14:07 <m_billybob> "howto install an AGO video card on your BBB"
Jun 26 07:14:12 <m_billybob> AGP*
Jun 26 07:14:39 <av500> how can I install omap_mux on my BBB?
Jun 26 07:14:49 <m_billybob> problem is i can figure out which side im supposed to plug it into
Jun 26 07:14:54 <Russ> av500, have you tried turning off and back on?
Jun 26 07:14:59 <maxinux> i need VLB video
Jun 26 07:15:19 <m_billybob> av500 seriousl i thik my favorite is "how do i install rasbian on my BBB?"
Jun 26 07:15:31 <Russ> maxinux, I imagine there are people here who don't remember what that is
Jun 26 07:15:40 <maxinux> Russ: i bet many do not
Jun 26 07:15:58 <maxinux> Russ:  nor even what ISA was, or MFM, or floppy drives
Jun 26 07:16:06 <maxinux> i never had to use mfm
Jun 26 07:16:11 <maxinux> well not directly
Jun 26 07:16:13 <Russ> ISA is a classic bus, people who weren't around for it will be aware of it
Jun 26 07:16:15 * m_billybob still has a workign 80MB MFM HDD
Jun 26 07:16:20 <Russ> VLB was too short lived
Jun 26 07:16:34 <m_billybob> that was IBM wasnt it ?
Jun 26 07:16:35 <KotH> maxinux: use the power of PRU
Jun 26 07:16:49 <Russ> what, vlb?
Jun 26 07:16:51 <maxinux> +++ATH OK
Jun 26 07:16:53 <m_billybob> yeah
Jun 26 07:16:56 <Russ> vesa
Jun 26 07:17:00 <maxinux> local bus
Jun 26 07:17:05 <m_billybob> right
Jun 26 07:17:07 <Russ> ibm was micro channel
Jun 26 07:17:12 <m_billybob> ah ok
Jun 26 07:17:18 <maxinux> ugh ps/2s
Jun 26 07:17:26 <KotH> maxinux: lol
Jun 26 07:17:37 <KotH> maxinux: that thing didnt work for at least 20 years
Jun 26 07:17:42 <maxinux> heheh
Jun 26 07:17:48 <maxinux> packard bell.
Jun 26 07:17:51 <m_billybob> my first personally owned computer had ISA slots
Jun 26 07:17:58 <maxinux> same
Jun 26 07:18:08 <maxinux> mine had a 100 meg isa hard drive (hard card)
Jun 26 07:18:16 <m_billybob> hehe
Jun 26 07:18:41 <KotH> Russ: only the later PS/2 were mca, the earlier weren't
Jun 26 07:18:52 <maxinux> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plus_Hardcard_20_with_plexiglass_cover.JPG
Jun 26 07:18:52 <m_billybob> mine originally came with a 4MB MFMdrive . . i BIOS low level formated it and it went bad
Jun 26 07:18:54 <Russ> tell maxinux, not me
Jun 26 07:18:55 <KotH> Russ: and of course the RS/6000 and AS/400 used it as some point in time
Jun 26 07:18:58 <mrpackethead> ok, i love that
Jun 26 07:18:59 <mrpackethead> :-)
Jun 26 07:19:03 <m_billybob> someone managed to talk the store into replacing it
Jun 26 07:19:12 <m_billybob> 40MB MFM*
Jun 26 07:19:17 <mrpackethead> seemingly seemless migration between laptops!
Jun 26 07:19:22 <maxinux> well hmm guess it was an 80 mb.. harcard II 80
Jun 26 07:19:23 <Russ> m_billybob, I was going to say, 4MB? that would go way back
Jun 26 07:19:40 <m_billybob> my computer experience predates 4MB drives
Jun 26 07:19:54 <m_billybob> Commodore pet / 64
Jun 26 07:20:01 <Russ> ah, the 6502 days
Jun 26 07:20:02 <maxinux> hahah
Jun 26 07:20:09 <maxinux> we have a comodor 128 sx portable
Jun 26 07:21:08 <KotH> Russ: you should talk to mdp :)
Jun 26 07:21:20 <Russ> I'm well aware of mdp's "antics"
Jun 26 07:22:24 <m_billybob> heh i still have an 286, and 486 laptop aroudn somewhere
Jun 26 07:22:31 <m_billybob> well might have thrown out the 286
Jun 26 07:22:40 <m_billybob> it was a beast
Jun 26 07:23:30 <m_billybob> both of those outlasted an HP P4 laptop though
Jun 26 07:23:37 <Russ> I recently ridded myself of a few x32 systems around the house, replacing them with smaller, quieter,  power efficient systems. nice change
Jun 26 07:23:57 <Russ> I think I have one x32 box left
Jun 26 07:23:59 <maxinux> probably replace them with a beaglebone
Jun 26 07:24:29 <Russ> beaglebone doesn't fit the requirements for any of them
Jun 26 07:24:31 <m_billybob> I need to do that myself. including the bbb here im sitting in a room with 7 computer the bbb being the only ARM system
Jun 26 07:24:58 <Russ> the smaller, quieter systems are still intel
Jun 26 07:25:01 <av500> KotH: I had RS6000 on my uni desk
Jun 26 07:25:04 <av500> not for long
Jun 26 07:25:12 <maxinux>  hahah
Jun 26 07:25:20 <av500> I moved it into a cupboard and got really long mouse and kbd cables
Jun 26 07:25:28 <av500> and long BNC cables for the monitr
Jun 26 07:25:29 <maxinux> at one point i had a good collection of old slab hardware... next, sgi, sun..
Jun 26 07:25:40 <maxinux> then collected cubes for a while
Jun 26 07:25:45 <m_billybob> Russ, core i's id imagine ?
Jun 26 07:26:18 <Russ> lets see...
Jun 26 07:26:22 <m_billybob> I always wanted an sgi back in the day could never afford one thouh
Jun 26 07:27:04 <Russ> N2600, i3, i7, D2500
Jun 26 07:27:07 <av500> gradually I am shifting to collecting hardware that is older than me
Jun 26 07:27:18 <av500> the new stuff is not worth it
Jun 26 07:27:42 <maxinux> mine were just after their haydays...  got them from back offices from an employer of mine.. there was an entire lab i emptied out.. got so many full working systems that had been used for testing
Jun 26 07:28:08 <maxinux> i wonder if you can still get anything dumpster diving
Jun 26 07:28:28 <m_billybob> dunno
Jun 26 07:28:31 <Russ> my holdout is a VIA C7
Jun 26 07:28:34 <m_billybob> seems like probably not
Jun 26 07:28:56 <m_billybob> ah via . . .
Jun 26 07:29:14 <maxinux> i live in the bay area near the hardware manufacturing area where i used to always get lucky .. i should try again
Jun 26 07:29:28 <m_billybob> my newest intel system has an ABIT otherboard in it, that should tell you how old it is lol
Jun 26 07:29:28 * Russ notices his VIA C7 has had a serious ext4-fs error and remount / ro
Jun 26 07:29:39 <maxinux> doh
Jun 26 07:30:04 <m_billybob> maxinux yeah ? where abouts ? I grew up in Sonoma
Jun 26 07:30:11 <maxinux> i grew up in fairfield
Jun 26 07:30:19 <m_billybob> thats where i was born lol
Jun 26 07:30:20 <maxinux> but, was referring to fremont/milpitas/hayward
Jun 26 07:30:24 <m_billybob> travis . . .
Jun 26 07:30:32 <maxinux> air force brat
Jun 26 07:30:35 <maxinux> :D
Jun 26 07:30:37 <m_billybob> yeap
Jun 26 07:30:51 * Russ types reboot and crosses fingers
Jun 26 07:30:56 <m_billybob> hehehe
Jun 26 07:31:10 <maxinux> good luck russ!
Jun 26 07:31:25 <m_billybob> so yeah dumpster diving on the left coast .  .probably not
Jun 26 07:31:43 <m_billybob> California pretty bad about recyclign now days
Jun 26 07:32:09 <maxinux> yeah, but people leave the equipment outside waiting for recycling
Jun 26 07:32:15 <maxinux> so you grab from that pile :D
Jun 26 07:32:22 <m_billybob> :)
Jun 26 07:32:43 <Russ> maxinux, stuck on "Loading initial ramdisk ..."...seems like a bad SD card
Jun 26 07:32:56 <maxinux> :(
Jun 26 07:33:13 <Russ> actually its not even SD, its CF
Jun 26 07:33:19 <m_billybob> PXE boot time ;)
Jun 26 07:33:36 <m_billybob> ouch
Jun 26 07:34:22 <Russ> hmm...powercycling the box rather than just doing a sysrq-b seems to have given me an fsck prompt
Jun 26 07:35:17 <maxinux> fsck -y # and pick your favorite deity
Jun 26 07:35:48 <Russ> seems like minor errors http://hastebin.com/semuhibusa.xml
Jun 26 07:37:44 <Russ> and we're back...need to keep a close eye on that system
Jun 26 07:38:01 <m_billybob> nice
Jun 26 07:38:29 <Russ> I suspect either massive file system corruption in the not so distant future, or a dead box
Jun 26 07:39:48 <Russ> asterisk didn't seem to mind that for more 2 months, it couldn't write anything to disk
Jun 26 07:39:54 <m_billybob> well, maybe you can sel it on ebay and pick up a couple of bbb's from it ? ;)
Jun 26 07:40:06 <Russ> a via c7? not bloody likely
Jun 26 07:40:18 <Russ> especially since if it has issues, it'll probably be due to caps
Jun 26 07:40:49 <m_billybob> thers a sucker born evry minute, and i mean you dotn even have ot try and rip someone off. someone will probably want a collectible
Jun 26 07:40:58 <m_billybob> caps can be replaced though
Jun 26 07:41:09 <Russ> pita
Jun 26 07:41:35 <av500> I just replaced caps
Jun 26 07:41:41 <av500> 15u/450V :)
Jun 26 07:41:44 <m_billybob> ah yeah VIA C7 that was probably aroudn the time all those bad caps were floating about
Jun 26 07:42:23 <Russ> av500, I saw your pics
Jun 26 07:42:24 <Russ> tubes ok?
Jun 26 07:42:36 <m_billybob> I had an AMD thunderbird core motherboard that died prematurly like that
Jun 26 07:43:22 <av500> Russ: yeah
Jun 26 07:43:26 <av500> and pretty std tubes
Jun 26 07:43:31 <av500> easy to replace
Jun 26 07:43:36 <av500> I have a lot of spares
Jun 26 07:44:09 <Russ> yup, one of the systems I swapped out recently was one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188016
Jun 26 07:44:16 <Russ> horrible crusties on the caps
Jun 26 07:45:47 <m_billybob> hehe i have a similar board made by ABIT though. Still runs. has an Opteron in it
Jun 26 07:46:25 <KotH> Russ: uhmm.. crusted caps?
Jun 26 07:46:32 <m_billybob> opteron 1210 s i recall
Jun 26 07:46:49 <KotH> Russ: be glad it didnt start to burn ^^'
Jun 26 07:48:03 <Russ> KotH, http://imgur.com/gAxj86Y.jpg
Jun 26 07:48:32 <KotH> Russ: i know how they look
Jun 26 07:48:39 <Russ> no fire :)
Jun 26 07:48:44 <KotH> Russ: seen too many of them already ^^'
Jun 26 07:48:51 <KotH> Russ: as i said, be glad about that :)
Jun 26 07:49:29 <KotH> weirdest thing i've ever seen on a pc board was that the coil(!) of one board caught fire
Jun 26 07:49:42 <panto> gm
Jun 26 07:49:49 <KotH> salut panto
Jun 26 07:49:59 <m_billybob> mornin panto
Jun 26 07:50:08 <panto> hi KotH, m_billybob
Jun 26 07:51:42 <mrpackethead> almost there
Jun 26 07:51:50 <mrpackethead> a new machine, almsot all the apps working
Jun 26 07:52:07 <m_billybob> had an interesting ah ha moment today
Jun 26 07:52:26 <m_billybob> do keep in mind im an embedded linux newb so . . .
Jun 26 07:52:30 <m_billybob>  uptime > /dev/ttyO0 && printf '\r' >/dev/ttyO0
Jun 26 07:52:48 <m_billybob> thought that was rather neet
Jun 26 07:53:00 <Russ> uptime | unix2dos > /dev/ttyO0
Jun 26 07:53:56 <Russ> or use stty
Jun 26 07:54:03 <Russ> onlcr
Jun 26 07:54:09 <m_billybob> lol
Jun 26 07:54:10 <m_billybob> -bash: unix2dos: command not found
Jun 26 07:54:14 <m_billybob> no biggy
Jun 26 07:54:53 <m_billybob> i tried onlcr and it doesnt work
Jun 26 07:55:21 <Russ> stty -F /dev/ttyO0 onlcr?
Jun 26 07:55:54 <m_billybob> nothing
Jun 26 07:56:10 <m_billybob> no error no message out on serial
Jun 26 07:56:27 <panto> yeah, cause what is the default serial mode?
Jun 26 07:56:32 <panto> I bet it's with f/w flow control
Jun 26 07:56:38 <m_billybob> none
Jun 26 07:56:40 <av500> DOS mode
Jun 26 07:56:43 <m_billybob> oh you mean on the bbb
Jun 26 07:56:49 <panto> right
Jun 26 07:57:54 <m_billybob> idk i was going ot use it to log every command issies on the bbb, but then had a sudden realization "hey putty has loggging built in" . . .
Jun 26 07:58:05 <m_billybob> every command I issued*
Jun 26 07:59:40 <m_billybob> Still, coming from a devicethat has no OS on it. It seems really nifty, and honestly quite simple by comparrison
Jun 26 08:00:32 <das> sweet: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/arnd/flashbench.git;a=tree
Jun 26 08:00:37 <m_billybob> granted getting uart printf() workign on somethign liek an msp430 can be done in as litle as 200-300 bytes for text only
Jun 26 08:05:02 <m_billybob> err type char * double it for int ( any base )
Jun 26 08:06:03 * mranostay harlem shakes in
Jun 26 08:11:36 <mranostay> trollolololollololo
Jun 26 08:12:58 <RagBal> What is the difference between RobertCNelson kernel sources and the 'official' beaglebone repo?
Jun 26 08:14:26 <mrpackethead> Roberts a way cooler repo
Jun 26 08:14:35 <mrpackethead> official is just uncool, like Nikon
Jun 26 08:14:44 * mranostay wishs he had kernel branch named after him
Jun 26 08:14:47 <KotH> Canon?
Jun 26 08:14:52 <KotH> Minolta/Sony?
Jun 26 08:14:52 * mranostay cries
Jun 26 08:15:12 <av500> mranostay: make one
Jun 26 08:15:13 <KotH> mranostay: make one, make it good, make it popular
Jun 26 08:15:24 <av500> or kang one
Jun 26 08:15:48 <mranostay> X86 BITCHES!
Jun 26 08:16:04 <av500> or buy a cheap kernel in china
Jun 26 08:16:05 <m_billybob> just base it on debian
Jun 26 08:16:12 <mranostay> kids don't drunk and irc
Jun 26 08:18:03 <easyw>  help on detect RS232 signal Break condiction (BBB)
Jun 26 08:18:30 <av500> BreakBreakBreak
Jun 26 08:19:16 <easyw> help on detect RS232 signal Break condiction (BeagleBoardBlack)
Jun 26 08:19:25 * mranostay is out of beer
Jun 26 08:20:28 <dm8tbr> easyw: what is a signal break condition?
Jun 26 08:22:05 <mranostay> hi dm8tbr
Jun 26 08:22:20 <easyw> A "break condition" occurs when the receiver input is at the "space" level for longer than some duration of time, typically, for more than a character time. This is not necessarily an error, but appears to the receiver as a character of all zero bits with a framing error. It used to sync communication through equipmrent
Jun 26 08:23:27 <Russ> http://linux.die.net/man/4/tty_ioctl
Jun 26 08:24:17 <Russ> http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/termios.3.html
Jun 26 08:24:40 <koen> jackmitchell: I see you fell into the trap of feeding the lazarman troll :)
Jun 26 08:25:25 <jackmitchell> koen: huh?
Jun 26 08:25:43 <jackmitchell> koen: oh, yes, I remember
Jun 26 08:26:05 <jackmitchell> I couldn't help it; that piece of information couldn't stay on the mailing list unattended
Jun 26 08:26:15 <easyw> @ Russ ... have you an example code in c to detect break?  thank you
Jun 26 08:26:36 <Russ> no
Jun 26 08:27:21 <das> ah c'mon Russ, please do my homework
Jun 26 08:27:36 <jackmitchell> easyw....easywork?
Jun 26 08:28:26 <easyw> i already tried some code but without success ...
Jun 26 08:28:50 <Russ> the documentation is pretty good, I'd start there
Jun 26 08:28:57 <jackmitchell> if you show us he code, then maybe we can direct you to the bits which look suspect
Jun 26 08:31:31 <easyw> ok ... I'm going to...
Jun 26 08:35:48 <mranostay> make KotH  delete chocolate
Jun 26 08:36:19 <RagBal> koen, can you comment on my question perhaps? =)
Jun 26 08:36:41 <Russ> I should go get some chocolate
Jun 26 08:36:58 <Russ> its only see's, I'm sure my european counterparts would not approve
Jun 26 08:36:59 <easyw> #include <sys/types.h> #include <sys/stat.h> #include <fcntl.h> #include <stdio.h> #include <string.h> #include <errno.h> #include <termios.h> #include <unistd.h> #include <sys/ioctl.h> #include <unistd.h> #include <termios.h>  #include <signal.h> __sighandler_t sighandle(int signum, __sighandler_t h) {      //fprintf(stderr, "BREAK DETECTED\n");      printf("break com received\n");     signal(SIGINT, (__sighandler_t) sighandle);      r
Jun 26 08:37:08 <LetoThe2nd> MY EYES!
Jun 26 08:37:10 <jackmitchell> easyw: pastebin
Jun 26 08:37:19 <Russ> I was afraid this would happen
Jun 26 08:37:30 <jackmitchell> Russ: I almost said, it but I gave too much credit
Jun 26 08:38:11 <jackmitchell> koen: reading the MinnowBoard thread; Darren mentions 3.8-stable to G-KH; uh-oh!
Jun 26 08:39:22 <mranostay> Russ: eff the swiss!
Jun 26 08:39:38 <easyw> ??? hey, this is the code I did modify to set bit for detect the break, but thhe only event I capture is ctrl+c and not the serial break
Jun 26 08:40:47 <jackmitchell> easyw: post the code to pastebin, then I'll possibly look at it
Jun 26 08:40:50 <Russ> mranostay, you might want to avoid saying that around the swiss guard
Jun 26 08:41:56 <Russ> jackmitchell, he took code from an example that the poster says doesn't work
Jun 26 08:42:21 <easyw> http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=JwDDRW3m
Jun 26 08:42:55 <mranostay> Russ: they couldn't guard @$@#!
Jun 26 08:42:58 <easyw> ok, sorry I posted the code...
Jun 26 08:43:40 <mranostay> easyw: 12345
Jun 26 08:43:52 <easyw> http://pastebin.com/JwDDRW3m
Jun 26 08:44:20 <Russ> mranostay, have you been to Versailles?
Jun 26 08:44:57 <kfoltman> mranostay: well, a few popes would disagree ;)
Jun 26 08:45:06 <Russ> er, actually I'm thinking of Tuileries Palace
Jun 26 08:45:56 <jackmitchell> easyw: that code looks like nonsense, but from a quick glace I'll give you one piece of advice
Jun 26 08:46:21 <jackmitchell> easyw: if you are trying to catch the break signal; then why on line 37 do you set it to specifically ignore it?
Jun 26 08:46:51 <Russ> jacekowski, that's a clear
Jun 26 08:46:56 <Russ> &= ~
Jun 26 08:46:59 * LetoThe2nd just misread "ricezione" for "ricezone"
Jun 26 08:47:15 <jackmitchell> Russ: ah; that'll teach me to trust the comments
Jun 26 08:47:23 <Russ> I would really use the 0xff 0x00 0x00
Jun 26 08:49:29 <Russ> this program exits immediately, no?
Jun 26 08:49:46 <Russ> er, no
Jun 26 08:50:07 <Russ> but the loop does look to be a busy wait, which you probably don't want
Jun 26 08:51:19 <easyw> the program should wait in loop until a character is received ...if(buf[i]=='*')
Jun 26 08:51:37 <Russ> actually no
Jun 26 08:51:47 <Russ> read will return -1, errno EAGAIN
Jun 26 08:51:55 <Russ> loop will past it's buffer
Jun 26 08:52:03 <av500> jackmitchell: ....I looked you up and can assure you I have been doing this longer than you have been alive, actually you look like some amateur linux gamer
Jun 26 08:52:11 <av500> jackmitchell: I got that once from lazarman
Jun 26 08:53:05 <Russ> probably run into a '*' at some point and end
Jun 26 08:53:18 <jackmitchell> av500: heh, I haven't seen the reply; I'll go look
Jun 26 08:54:10 <Russ> er, set_blocking doesn't do what I expected it to do
Jun 26 08:54:17 <jackmitchell> av500: I don't seem to have the reply, link?
Jun 26 08:54:33 <jackmitchell> maybe my inbox automatically rejected it
Jun 26 08:54:40 <Russ> its like you wrote code for the sole purpose of burning people's eyes
Jun 26 08:55:49 <av500> jackmitchell: that was in private mail
Jun 26 08:56:00 <easyw> @ Russ : you mean it is not indented? or you think it is bad written?
Jun 26 08:56:04 <jackmitchell> av500: ah; that us poor
Jun 26 08:56:11 <jackmitchell> s/us/is
Jun 26 08:58:49 <av500> because I want a $235 piece of elctronics *outside* of my door: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/goji-smart-lock?browse_v=new
Jun 26 08:59:47 <das> I've always wondered how you'd open your door if an electronics mechanism fails
Jun 26 09:00:13 <philenotfound> bruteforce
Jun 26 09:00:24 <das> try every door ?
Jun 26 09:00:46 <das> or dictionnary attack a indow maybe, that'd get you in
Jun 26 09:01:31 <dm8tbr> if the dictionary is heavy and sturdy enough that should be sufficient ;)
Jun 26 09:01:32 <philenotfound> hitting it and trying a dictionary swear word attack
Jun 26 09:01:36 <Russ> easyw, the indentation, yes
Jun 26 09:02:13 <kfoltman> dictionary sword?
Jun 26 09:02:23 <Russ> how short is the person in that picture?
Jun 26 09:02:56 <Russ> das, 'The Goji Smart Lock also comes with two mechanical keys as backups in case you ever need them.'
Jun 26 09:03:19 <das> so it's as insecure as a lock with keys
Jun 26 09:03:45 <Russ> its not to improve security, its to improve convenience I think
Jun 26 09:04:02 <easyw> @Russ: thanks for your advice to use 0xff 0x00 0x00, but that sequence of bytes, can be in the structure of the messagge that I would need to capture, I'm just using ascii character cos they are printable on the screen, sorry for the code format
Jun 26 09:04:29 <Russ> I think if you receive an 0xff, you'll instead read 0xff 0xff
Jun 26 09:05:07 * das dreams of opening his door using RSA
Jun 26 09:05:12 <Russ> das, realtors use a very similar system already, just not as fancy looking
Jun 26 09:06:13 <av500> sure, electronic locks exist
Jun 26 09:06:23 <av500> I just marvelled at the expensive part outside
Jun 26 09:06:59 <das> "Someone stole my lock !"
Jun 26 09:07:16 <Russ> pretty sure its secured by screws from the other side, but you could certainly smash it
Jun 26 09:07:20 <av500> at least you can maybe take a photo of the vandal
Jun 26 09:16:11 * Russ finally gets to the "Now I know there are a lot of software like corpses lying under the name as open source."
Jun 26 09:16:40 <av500> :)
Jun 26 09:18:16 * Russ wonders how luke's allwinner meeting went
Jun 26 09:18:49 <Russ> can someone make a youtube video of how that might go down, with those animated characters like in the bad ass rockstar tech video?
Jun 26 09:19:07 <das> is there a youtube tutorial to make youtube videos ?
Jun 26 09:19:43 <Russ> what I really need is one for watching youtube videos
Jun 26 09:19:46 <av500> no, but there is a tutorial for one
Jun 26 09:37:55 <av500> wow
Jun 26 09:37:58 <av500> got a mail from TI
Jun 26 09:38:04 <av500> they tell me about the new BBB
Jun 26 09:39:41 <ynezz> old
Jun 26 09:40:06 <kfoltman> av500: corporate time dilation?
Jun 26 09:40:11 <av500> guess so
Jun 26 09:40:29 <av500> well, its from German TI
Jun 26 09:40:33 <av500> I guess the translation took time
Jun 26 09:40:48 <das> THeil ?
Jun 26 09:42:03 <koen> BBS?
Jun 26 09:46:31 <RagBal> When building Angstrom for machine beaglebone and image ti-hw-bringup-image, what machine configuration does it use? The one from meta-ti or meta-beagleboard?
Jun 26 09:46:34 <jackmitchell> I thought TI wanted nothing to do with the BBB
Jun 26 09:46:49 <jackmitchell> or just wanted no software responsibility
Jun 26 09:47:23 <av500> TI loves it
Jun 26 09:47:48 <dm8tbr> sure, it cranks out lots of units AND makes people use that silicon later in commercial projects...
Jun 26 09:48:01 <dm8tbr> or makes them buy lots of BBB for commercial projects
Jun 26 09:48:23 <dm8tbr> as the BB(B) uses unsubsidized silicon AFAIU
Jun 26 09:48:43 <jackmitchell> I agree, I see no reason why they wouldn't but I was under the impression that they didn't want to be associated with it for some reason
Jun 26 09:49:23 <jackmitchell> maybe I'm imagining things again; I'll put it down to lack of beer
Jun 26 09:49:33 <m_billybob> they probably own stock in CC
Jun 26 09:49:45 <m_billybob> read: own the equipment
Jun 26 09:50:26 <m_billybob> seeing as how several people on this project are TI emp[loyees . . .
Jun 26 09:51:11 <koen> no stock, no equipment
Jun 26 09:51:14 <jackmitchell> m_billybob: uh-oh; you'll upset people
Jun 26 09:51:17 <koen> no $ from TI anywhere
Jun 26 09:51:43 <Russ> m_billybob, I'm willing to be you know things about the jfk assassination that could blow my mind
Jun 26 09:51:47 <jackmitchell> and by people I mean koen ;)
Jun 26 09:52:00 <Russ> koen doesn't work for TI
Jun 26 09:52:13 <m_billybob> Russ, no i wasnt born quite yet. but what are people supposed to think ?
Jun 26 09:52:19 <Russ> oh, got the two conversations confused
Jun 26 09:52:50 <Russ> m_billybob, circuitco actually makes boards for other SoC vendors as well
Jun 26 09:53:13 <Russ> see: http://www.minnowboard.org/
Jun 26 09:53:24 <m_billybob> Ok ill just stfu now, but several people doing work for at through CC work for ti
Jun 26 09:53:28 <m_billybob> use your imagination.
Jun 26 09:53:32 <jackmitchell> just in on Phoronix: Mir Development Stats Dominated By Canonical!
Jun 26 09:53:38 <av500> lol
Jun 26 09:53:40 <m_billybob> for or at*
Jun 26 09:53:40 <jackmitchell> _shock_ _horror_
Jun 26 09:54:15 <av500> m_billybob: jkridner and Gerald work for TI
Jun 26 09:54:25 <Russ> yup
Jun 26 09:54:25 <av500> koen used to, but is now at CCO
Jun 26 09:54:29 <koen> m_billybob: noone works "through CCO"
Jun 26 09:54:33 <m_billybob> also a couple ex employees too
Jun 26 09:54:37 <koen> they either work for CCO or they don't
Jun 26 09:54:51 <m_billybob> so owner of CCO works for ti . . .
Jun 26 09:55:02 <m_billybob> anyhow
Jun 26 09:55:02 <Russ> and promoting dev boards with your SoC is kindof a no brainer
Jun 26 09:55:12 <m_billybob> yes . . .
Jun 26 09:55:16 <m_billybob> i didnt say it was a bad thing
Jun 26 09:55:22 <Russ> wait, the owner of CCO works for TI?
Jun 26 09:55:32 <koen> the only ex-TI people at CCO are Bridget and me
Jun 26 09:55:39 <m_billybob> who owns CCO ?
Jun 26 09:55:45 <koen> clint owns CCO
Jun 26 09:55:47 <Russ> koen, I think you are forgetting one
Jun 26 09:55:51 <m_billybob> then im mistaken
Jun 26 09:56:03 <koen> Russ: and the plague of course
Jun 26 09:57:15 <Russ> I lke how clint's initials match circuitco
Jun 26 09:57:37 <av500> CC, the CEO of CCO
Jun 26 09:57:41 <av500> CCCEOCCO
Jun 26 09:57:46 <m_billybob> heh
Jun 26 09:57:50 <Russ> and how Gerald's last name is *almost* Clint's first
Jun 26 09:57:53 <av500> CCCCCEO
Jun 26 10:05:36 <m_billybob> I was under the impression that Gerald owned the company. but I was wrong.
Jun 26 10:05:47 <Russ> heh
Jun 26 10:05:59 <Russ> TI and circuitco work closely together on the beaglebone project, true
Jun 26 10:06:11 <Russ> but circuitco is bigger than beaglebone
Jun 26 10:06:19 <m_billybob> I have a bbb in hand and that is all that really matters to me
Jun 26 10:06:27 <m_billybob> yeah i did notice that
Jun 26 10:06:41 <Russ> gerald is mr beaglebone
Jun 26 10:06:46 <m_billybob> been seeing lots of adds in trade magazinesthe last couple of months
Jun 26 10:07:01 <m_billybob> ads*
Jun 26 10:08:14 <av500> Russ: Gerald is Beagledad
Jun 26 10:08:20 <av500> jkridner is Beaglemom
Jun 26 10:14:56 <m_billybob> So . . .wheres my beer ?
Jun 26 10:23:34 <KotH> m_billybob: mranostay stole it
Jun 26 10:24:04 <m_billybob> I guess i didnt troll good enough then
Jun 26 10:24:11 <m_billybob> though . . .i wasnt meaning to.
Jun 26 10:28:29 <kfoltman> m_billybob: no, perhaps you don't need beer as much as him
Jun 26 10:28:56 <m_billybob> kfoltman was my "guide" helpful at all ?
Jun 26 10:28:59 <kfoltman> ... as much as he does
Jun 26 10:29:12 <kfoltman> m_billybob: didn't have chance to look at it yet, I'm still working on the STM32 side of things
Jun 26 10:29:42 <m_billybob> ah been lookign for feedback on it. but when you get the chance let me know what you think
Jun 26 10:29:52 <m_billybob> good, orbad
Jun 26 10:30:24 <m_billybob> the idea, is hopefully to keep people from having to go through what I did
Jun 26 10:30:29 <kfoltman> m_billybob: I'm a bit slow, unfortunately, especially when it comes to learning a new architecture and new concepts at the same time
Jun 26 10:30:45 <m_billybob> e.g. search all corners of the internet to find information
Jun 26 10:31:07 <m_billybob> you're not alone
Jun 26 10:31:14 <m_billybob> big change for me this
Jun 26 10:31:17 <kfoltman> currently I'm at a stage where I'm trying to get the STM32's timer to give me the ratio between codec's clock and the USB SOF clock, and it's not the easiest thing ever (not very hard, just fiddly)
Jun 26 10:31:40 <kfoltman> and that means fighting with input capture channels and the umpteen multiplexers in the timer :)
Jun 26 10:32:10 <m_billybob> dont think i know what you're working on
Jun 26 10:32:52 <m_billybob> not really familiar with the STM32 at all
Jun 26 10:40:10 <Crofton> I just it to be clear this is not my pinterest account
Jun 26 10:40:13 <Crofton> http://pinterest.com/croftonsdr/
Jun 26 10:41:08 <av500> Crofton: nice try
Jun 26 10:41:31 <das> in french, "pine" means dick. pinterest has a funny sound :)
Jun 26 10:49:49 <av500> nice: https://www.tindie.com/products/spirilis/beaglebone-black-ftdi-friction-fit/
Jun 26 10:49:59 <Crofton|work> There is some guy with to much time on his hands
Jun 26 10:52:52 <m_billybob> heh i see Spirilis has been busy again
Jun 26 10:54:29 <dm8tbr> av500: heh, but that's a custom design, isn't it?
Jun 26 10:54:38 <ynezz> m_billybob: yep, that nick sounds familiar to me :p
Jun 26 10:55:13 <m_billybob> ynezz yeah like typ spi<tab> here and see what happens ;)
Jun 26 10:55:50 <ynezz> but I've rather meant his msprf24 warez
Jun 26 10:55:52 <ynezz> :)
Jun 26 10:56:26 <m_billybob> ah i havent played with those nordic wireles stuff yet
Jun 26 11:00:30 <av500> dm8tbr: custom as in?
Jun 26 11:01:18 <dm8tbr> not an 2€ part from dx.com, but designed to squeeze fit in exactly that spot on a BBB
Jun 26 11:01:58 <dm8tbr> given that it has ttyO5(?) printed on it, I'd say it is
Jun 26 11:02:09 <cityLights> hi
Jun 26 11:02:21 <av500> dm8tbr: well yes
Jun 26 11:02:21 <cityLights> I installed ubuntu on the BBB to use it with wireless
Jun 26 11:02:43 <cityLights> what package offers GPIO control?
Jun 26 11:02:47 <cityLights> for python?
Jun 26 11:03:06 <dm8tbr> what does gpio have to do with wireless?
Jun 26 11:03:23 <cityLights> nothing
Jun 26 11:04:02 <cityLights> 1. I want the BBB to use wireless on boot. After I wasn't successfull with the provided OS , I installed ubuntu
Jun 26 11:04:29 <cityLights> 2. On the BBB I use ubuntu, what to install to have GPIO control from python?
Jun 26 11:04:51 <av500> python can read and write files?
Jun 26 11:04:56 <cityLights> sure
Jun 26 11:04:59 <av500> then you dont need to install anything
Jun 26 11:05:03 <av500> gpio is in sysfs
Jun 26 11:05:19 <cityLights> but I do need to export...
Jun 26 11:05:35 <av500> export?
Jun 26 11:05:40 <cityLights> by the way is koen here?
Jun 26 11:06:00 <av500> he's out for lunch
Jun 26 11:06:01 <cityLights> I need to write to /sys/class/gpio/export to revele the gpio
Jun 26 11:06:14 <av500> no
Jun 26 11:06:21 <av500> you need to load a DT fragment
Jun 26 11:06:30 <cityLights> what is that?
Jun 26 11:06:35 <av500> for the pin muxing
Jun 26 11:06:40 <cityLights> where to read about it?
Jun 26 11:06:46 <av500> the mailing list
Jun 26 11:07:02 <cityLights> need I search " DT fragment" ?
Jun 26 11:07:04 <av500> besides, python can read/write files
Jun 26 11:07:14 <av500> so it can also write to /sys/class/gpio/export
Jun 26 11:07:20 <av500> lunch here too
Jun 26 11:08:07 <cityLights> av500: yes , but I prefer a lib that handles it
Jun 26 11:08:57 <jackmitchell> cityLights: there is no lib
Jun 26 11:09:05 <jackmitchell> cityLights: the file handling lib is the lib
Jun 26 11:09:46 <av500> then write a lib
Jun 26 11:10:35 <dm8tbr> or pay someone to write a lib :)
Jun 26 11:10:49 <dm8tbr> Hire me. My rate would be onehundredandfifty an hour. Plus VAT and expenses. Four hours minimum. Dollars for small problems, Euros for big problems. British Pounds for management problems.
Jun 26 11:10:50 <cityLights> ok, is there any sample code for using the gpio to read a button with the de-bouncing
Jun 26 11:11:20 <jackmitchell> cityLights: I don't think so, but you can set a gpio to be a button with debouncing in the kernel
Jun 26 11:11:35 <jackmitchell> cityLights: how, I don't know; but I do know you can
Jun 26 11:13:08 <dm8tbr> jackmitchell: I guess that would be the aforementioned dt fragment
Jun 26 11:13:38 <jackmitchell> dm8tbr: I agree, a requested gpio with the gpio-button module set as compatible; but I don't want to get into it myself ;)
Jun 26 11:13:56 <dm8tbr> ;)
Jun 26 11:14:12 <av500> https://github.com/adafruit/adafruit-beaglebone-io-python
Jun 26 11:14:32 <koen> gpio-keys
Jun 26 11:14:52 <jackmitchell> ^ ^ that's the one
Jun 26 11:14:54 <dm8tbr> OMG lady ada ruined my business model! /o\
Jun 26 11:15:45 <dm8tbr> wait, I could still rake in cash and sell her library...
Jun 26 11:15:52 <av500> hmm, why does a python lib use C?
Jun 26 11:17:09 <av500> seems that writing files in python is hard
Jun 26 11:17:28 <panto> python is only for operating microwave ovens
Jun 26 11:17:38 <bradfa> +1 microwave pythons
Jun 26 11:17:40 * dm8tbr was waiting for _that_ comment
Jun 26 11:17:55 * dm8tbr giggles like a school girl
Jun 26 11:26:12 <m_billybob> heh
Jun 26 11:37:12 <dup> hello
Jun 26 11:38:31 <dup> i'm searching a Bluetooth USB Dongle for BeagleBone Black
Jun 26 11:39:06 <dm8tbr> any usb bt dongle that works with linux should work with the BBB
Jun 26 11:40:30 <dup> ok thanks
Jun 26 12:25:27 <Spirilis> av500: lulz you got the Sakura?
Jun 26 12:25:59 <Spirilis> av500: that thing does sound like a joke.  I got the RX62N RDK for free and a couple YRPBRX210's that will probably end up useless b/c that revision chip is deprecated and tbh the whole RX200-series seems pointless at this point anyway
Jun 26 12:26:35 <Spirilis> guess the deprecated chip revision isn't an issue, code will work on others, but the RX200 is straddling a pointless overlap now in the market imo
Jun 26 12:30:23 <av500> Spirilis: sakura is rx6, no?
Jun 26 12:30:28 <Spirilis> yeah rx63n
Jun 26 12:30:34 <av500> well
Jun 26 12:30:35 <Spirilis> nicer version of the rx62n I have in the RDK
Jun 26 12:30:40 <av500> I got it for free
Jun 26 12:30:41 <Spirilis> it's the only RX worth looking at imo
Jun 26 12:30:44 <av500> filled out some web form
Jun 26 12:30:47 <av500> waited
Jun 26 12:30:47 <Spirilis> ah yeah can't complain about that :)
Jun 26 12:30:51 <av500> loled
Jun 26 12:31:23 <av500> register to get gcc
Jun 26 12:31:52 <Spirilis> I ended up getting a toolchain going on my macbook pro with gcc and DJ Delorie's flasher tool
Jun 26 12:32:09 <Spirilis> the funny thing about that is it's just vanilla gcc, Renesas had the arch ported to upstream GCC a while back
Jun 26 12:33:03 <Spirilis> the difference is the windows version has proprietary binaries to integrate it with Renesas' HEW and e2studio IDE project generators but none of that is open source at all
Jun 26 12:33:05 <vaizki> any suggestions how I should measure the average current draw of a BBB running off +5V or a single cell lipo?
Jun 26 12:33:19 <av500> with a current meter
Jun 26 12:33:28 <vaizki> just put in a shunt resistor and measure the voltage drop with a scope?
Jun 26 12:33:40 <av500> that is a current meter
Jun 26 12:34:02 <vaizki> yea I'm not sure how well my multimeters would handle the constantly changing current draw
Jun 26 12:35:47 <vaizki> hmmh hmmh do I need a better multimeter with data logging ;)
Jun 26 12:38:32 <LetoThe2nd> shunt + scope, or a truerms capable meter :)
Jun 26 12:38:55 <LetoThe2nd> note that probably onle the first option will show you spikes that you will need to buffer
Jun 26 12:40:43 <vaizki> yea I'm just wondering how long the time period is that a truerms meter will integrate over
Jun 26 12:40:56 <LetoThe2nd> ask the meters specs
Jun 26 12:41:53 <vaizki> reading them now.. I got a pretty new agilent meter in a junk swap, haven't really used it but the specs are vague at best
Jun 26 12:43:45 <vaizki> and yea I hardly know anything about how truerms measuring even works
Jun 26 12:48:25 <vaizki> guess how much luck I'm having in finding something when I don't know what I'm looking for :)
Jun 26 12:54:40 <vaizki> ok I'm just going to scope it then and estimate the surface area.. I can't understand how DMMs work
Jun 26 13:15:29 <SpeedEvil> vaizki: read the datasheet of the meter
Jun 26 13:16:11 <av500> I doubt the RMS interval will help much
Jun 26 13:16:26 <av500> its for periodic signals, not spiky bursts
Jun 26 13:16:45 <av500> if you really want to measure power you need to sample and record all the time
Jun 26 13:16:47 <av500> and integrate
Jun 26 13:17:06 <av500> but I would just look at the current meter
Jun 26 13:18:32 <SpeedEvil> The easy solution is to take a small value resistor, and place in parallel with it a large resistor, and capacitor.
Jun 26 13:18:53 <SpeedEvil> You arrange the R and C to have a time-constant of (say) 30s, and then simply measure across the cap.
Jun 26 13:19:00 <SpeedEvil> Job done.
Jun 26 13:19:18 <av500> or measure the temparature of the shunt :)
Jun 26 13:19:24 <av500> -a+e
Jun 26 13:19:25 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 26 13:19:46 <LetoThe2nd> av500: ++
Jun 26 13:24:40 <KotH> vaizki: what for do you need such accurate numbers anyways?
Jun 26 13:25:15 <SpeedEvil> KotH: To be fair - in some cases, the answer if you don't ask this question can be wildly inaccurate.
Jun 26 13:25:46 <SpeedEvil> I have one AC power meter that will over-read on some loads by 500%.
Jun 26 13:25:52 <SpeedEvil> Its specified accuracy is 1%.
Jun 26 13:26:53 <KotH> probably 1% for sine, with litte to very low reactance, while you apply non-sine with high reactance?
Jun 26 13:29:14 <SpeedEvil> Sort-of.
Jun 26 13:29:19 <SpeedEvil> It's fine with any reactances.
Jun 26 13:29:45 <SpeedEvil> the problem was this was a PC power-supply that was an early one after teh rules to take care of harmonic injection into the mains came about.
Jun 26 13:30:00 <KotH> oh.. very spiky!
Jun 26 13:30:07 <KotH> like the hair of an anime character :)
Jun 26 13:30:20 <KotH> and probably the blue colour too!
Jun 26 13:30:31 <SpeedEvil> The PSU took the approach of instead of using normal diodes, which would have a bad power factor - to turn on a little before with a _very_ sharp-edged current pulse.
Jun 26 13:30:45 <SpeedEvil> So most of the harmonics hit at over the regulated limit.
Jun 26 13:30:56 <KotH> oh...shit...
Jun 26 13:31:09 <KotH> wouldnt have passed the EMC regulations here in europe
Jun 26 13:31:25 <SpeedEvil> And hence - with the ADC running at perhaps 1000hz, it aliased.
Jun 26 13:31:27 <SpeedEvil> It did.
Jun 26 13:31:28 <KotH> especially not after the introduction of CE, probably not even here
Jun 26 13:31:33 <SpeedEvil> It wasn't _that_ sharp.
Jun 26 13:32:11 <KotH> now, that's surprising...
Jun 26 13:32:14 <SpeedEvil> It was cunningly aimed at the harmonic and power factor regulations, keeping it technically legal and cheap, and though breaking the spirit of the regs - not quite breaking the letter.
Jun 26 13:32:27 <KotH> lol
Jun 26 13:32:37 <KotH> likes as everyone does ;)
Jun 26 13:32:48 <SpeedEvil> Quite.
Jun 26 13:33:53 * georgem hates getting stuff CE tested
Jun 26 13:34:33 <av500> DIN EN 61000-3-3
Jun 26 13:34:37 <av500> is also a nice one
Jun 26 13:34:46 <av500> the "flicker" norm
Jun 26 13:37:40 <georgem> Getting wide range power supplies to pass CE is a mofo. We had a universal supply that did 48-125DC and 110 to 250 AC not sure if they ever got it to pass CE or if they just started selling the non universal supplies only.
Jun 26 14:06:36 <KotH> av500: have you read it? :)
Jun 26 14:06:57 <av500> no
Jun 26 14:07:06 <av500> but I know somebody that had to wrestle with it
Jun 26 14:09:26 <KotH> poor boy!
Jun 26 14:09:30 <KotH> or girl
Jun 26 14:15:39 <mranostay> morning!!
Jun 26 14:15:52 * mranostay harlem shakes in
Jun 26 14:16:56 <KotH> a wonderfull, JIHAD shake, mranostay
Jun 26 14:17:26 <kfoltman> chocolate-flavoured JIHAD milkshake?
Jun 26 14:18:05 <mranostay> KotH: that isn't a shake it is an explosion
Jun 26 14:22:47 <KotH> mranostay: a world shaking explosion :)
Jun 26 14:25:41 <Spirilis> dm8tbr: yeah that board I designed was a short pipe dream thought I had shortly after I got my BBB, then one lazy afternoon decided to sit down and make it happen.  went through 2 iterations of the design and now I like this one (testing 20 of them, seemed flawless so I guess I got the PTH spacing & offset working well enough)
Jun 26 14:26:33 <dm8tbr> :)
Jun 26 14:33:08 <kfoltman> a world shaking explosion of chocolate
Jun 26 14:45:39 <av500> gee
Jun 26 14:45:49 <av500> now they got hold of snowdens public irc logs
Jun 26 14:46:57 <Spirilis> yeah arstechnica folks came forward with them I guess
Jun 26 14:47:08 <av500> yep
Jun 26 14:47:57 <av500> I lol at the though that somebody goes thorugh my irc logs when I leaks something big :)
Jun 26 14:48:05 <av500> there, I said it
Jun 26 14:48:16 <av500> time capsule planted
Jun 26 14:48:40 <av500> BeagleBot: got that?
Jun 26 14:49:25 <das> this whole story is such a joke -_-
Jun 26 14:51:00 <carslan> I actually went on arstechnica to see what2s happening atm
Jun 26 14:51:07 <carslan> nothing much , I can say
Jun 26 14:52:02 <av500> maybe he has no wifi in moscow
Jun 26 14:53:01 <kfoltman> Moscow, though? Russia, who kills journalists?
Jun 26 14:53:22 <av500> not in russia
Jun 26 14:53:24 <av500> in transit
Jun 26 14:53:32 <av500> no mans land
Jun 26 14:53:37 <av500> limbo
Jun 26 14:53:46 <kfoltman> Not that the Western powers have much better track record... :(
Jun 26 15:32:34 <Fe7ix> Hey, can someone help me out with a question about installing open JDK one the beagle bone black? I did it successfully via opkg. But I am looking for something like a binary package, so I can run the exact same Open JDK version on my RaspberryPi. I need that to do some Java Benchmarks with the BBB and the RPi.
Jun 26 15:32:59 <jkridner|work> you'd need to run the same distro to use the same binary package.
Jun 26 15:33:14 <jkridner|work> R-Pi doesn't run Ubuntu, so you'd need a different distro than that.
Jun 26 15:33:31 <jkridner|work> I believe Angstrom has a build for R-Pi.
Jun 26 15:33:45 <jkridner|work> (though perhaps not published images)
Jun 26 15:35:22 <Fe7ix> I found Arch Linux and that works on both the RPi and BBB. There I successfully used the same Oracle JDK7. But couldn't find a good source for OpenJDK7
Jun 26 15:38:33 <Fe7ix> This package "Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment for Embedded (build 1.7.0-b147, headless)" I ran at different distros on both boards. Why does open JDK usually wants to be installed by the package manager like yum, apt-get or opkg? I always ended up with different versions on my boards, so it's hard to compare.
Jun 26 15:43:13 <mranostay> jkridner|work: javascript man lives!
Jun 26 15:43:23 <jkridner|work> :)
Jun 26 15:46:41 <Fe7ix_> did I time out?
Jun 26 15:47:05 <Fe7ix_> The textfield was gone
Jun 26 15:47:28 <Fe7ix_> strange :)
Jun 26 15:53:01 <vaizki_> plaah the arch distro for BBB has worked beautifully so far but the "dtc" that ships with it can't compile the DTS file I need for 1wire
Jun 26 15:53:28 <vaizki_> Fe7ix_, your other connection is still online
Jun 26 15:54:04 <Fe7ix_> So I got the same distro (Arch Linux) on my boards and I can rund the oracle Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment for Embedded (build 1.7.0-b147, headless) directly from the bin/java. I tried really hard to find a similar package for openJDK as well. This: http://bradsmc.blogspot.com/2013/05/installing-openjdk-6-on-beaglebone-black.html was the best source I found. But I couldn't do the same thing on my Raspberry.
Jun 26 15:54:33 <vaizki_> I would never taint my embedded linux boards with Java but choose your poison
Jun 26 15:54:45 <jkridner|work> Fe7ix_: those instructions are a hack on Angstrom, not for Arch
Jun 26 15:55:17 <Fe7ix_> How can I install the exact same open JDK on both systems. With oracles Java binary it was so easy to run in on different distro and worked on BBB and RPi fine.
Jun 26 15:55:29 <vaizki_> so does anyone want to compile the .dts for me into a binary blob or do I need to get Ångström back on the board? :)
Jun 26 15:55:43 <jkridner|work> Oracle != OpenJDK
Jun 26 15:56:01 <jkridner|work> so, ArchLinux doesn't work well on the Pi for you?
Jun 26 15:56:15 <jkridner|work> I think running ArchLinux on both sounds like the most practical solution for you.
Jun 26 15:56:17 <Fe7ix_> I closed the other IRC connection, because the text field to write was gun.
Jun 26 15:56:19 <Fe7ix_> gone
Jun 26 15:56:45 <jkridner|work> If you are in the browser interface, you can usually just click around for it if it disappears.
Jun 26 15:56:46 <vaizki_> why not use a real IRC client
Jun 26 15:57:05 <vaizki_> so much more usable
Jun 26 15:57:11 <das> picture that: sometimes it's blocked at work oO
Jun 26 15:57:22 <oe_> how do I use digitalRead if I want to insert the value (1 or 0) to a var in my cloud9 code?
Jun 26 15:57:27 <jkridner|work> vaizki_: always a good options, but I don't want to put up barriers to participation.
Jun 26 15:57:35 <vaizki_> are you in slavery or indebted servitude? change jobs
Jun 26 15:57:50 <Fe7ix_> It's not the best distro for the Pi. Debian and Fedora worked a bit faster. Open JDK was 4 times slower as oracle as expected.
Jun 26 15:58:02 <jkridner|work> oe_: var x = digitalRead('P8_13');
Jun 26 15:58:15 <das> apart from the part where IRC is blocked and they use SVn (yulk) I'm quite happy here :)
Jun 26 15:58:42 <jkridner|work> Fe7ix_: if you like Oracle's Java, why not use it?
Jun 26 15:58:43 <das> admittedly they don't use git because old ppl don't get it :D
Jun 26 15:58:53 <vaizki_> ok so any helpful soul here want to save me the trouble of reinstalling Ångström on the BBB or a uSD and compile the DTS from this page for me?
Jun 26 15:58:54 <vaizki_> http://hipstercircuits.com/dallas-one-wire-temperature-reading-on-beaglebone-black-with-dto/
Jun 26 15:59:01 <jkridner|work> Fe7ix_: I use it often... when I use Java, which I really don't like doing.
Jun 26 15:59:10 <oe_> tried that... it say the value is "undefined" although I it's 1
Jun 26 15:59:36 <jkridner|work> did you do pinMode('P8_13', b.INPUT) first?
Jun 26 15:59:42 <vaizki_> you will be helping me replace a RPi HVAC monitor with a BBB one
Jun 26 16:00:22 <oe_> yep.. I just copied the code from the bonescript site
Jun 26 16:00:50 <Fe7ix_> I just want to run the latest open JDK on my boards, because I am interested if it is now faster with the hot spot.
Jun 26 16:00:57 <jkridner|work> vaizki_: where would I paste the binary?
Jun 26 16:01:23 <vaizki_> email it to me at vaizki@vaizki.fi? :D
Jun 26 16:01:27 <mranostay> troolololololololololol
Jun 26 16:01:31 <vaizki_> it's a couple of hundred bytes
Jun 26 16:03:13 <jkridner|work> vaizki_: done.... but, you did just paste your e-mail into a logged channel. :-/
Jun 26 16:04:06 <vaizki_> thanks! and yes. but I get so much spam anyway I can't see a bit more hurting :)
Jun 26 16:04:50 <vaizki_> got it. excellent.
Jun 26 16:05:03 <Rickta59> jkridner|work: do you have a roadmap for the future of bonescript?
Jun 26 16:05:17 <_av500_> the future is wide open
Jun 26 16:05:33 <oe_> ???
Jun 26 16:05:59 <jkridner|work> Rickta59: that'd probably help me get focused...  I'll make one at http://beagleboard.org/Support/BoneScript/roadmap
Jun 26 16:06:12 <jkridner|work> 0.2.3 is WIP... main new feature is serial (UART) support...
Jun 26 16:06:18 <jkridner|work> that is already in testing.
Jun 26 16:06:34 <Rickta59> are you the only one working on it?
Jun 26 16:06:44 <jkridner|work> I've been working on cleaning up all the cruft I made in the tutorial pages.
Jun 26 16:07:09 <jkridner|work> Rickta59: I have a couple of people just starting to help me, plus I get occasional patches from the community.
Jun 26 16:07:38 <Rickta59> i wouldn't mind contributing, i just don't want to work on something someone else is already doing
Jun 26 16:08:16 <vaizki_> jk, seems to load
Jun 26 16:08:32 <vaizki_> now I need to get the 1wire sensors hooked up
Jun 26 16:09:11 <das> that has b
Jun 26 16:09:18 <das> to be easy, right ?
Jun 26 16:09:58 <oe_> jkridner|work: TNX, working
Jun 26 16:12:01 <jkridner|work> Rickta59: understood... I'll get the roadmap up.
Jun 26 16:12:37 * jkridner|work wonders if it should be in the README.md, but naw.
Jun 26 16:12:54 <vaizki_> das, yes it's easy. I have to watch a baby taking a bath at the same time which makes it compilcated
Jun 26 16:15:07 <Russ> prpplague, you wanted to sync up?
Jun 26 16:15:37 <Spirilis> jkridner|work: hmm so the P8/P9_pin# convention, is that an emerging standard you guys are sticking to?  might as well change the silkscreen notes on my launchpad cape for that :)
Jun 26 16:18:05 <jkridner|work> Spirilis: I'm sticking to a convention that I can see on the silkscreen of the board, even if the print is small.
Jun 26 16:18:20 <jkridner|work> I would have loved to have seen better silkscreen art, but the space is very limited.
Jun 26 16:18:27 <Spirilis> yeah
Jun 26 16:24:28 <prpplague> Russ: sorry meetings until 1
Jun 26 16:24:59 <fedlap> hi, does anybody know, how to properly set up i^2c addresses with dip switch (sw1) on beaglebone capes?
Jun 26 16:25:45 <fedlap> or where i might find a documentation? :)
Jun 26 16:30:12 <jkridner|work> fedlap: just make sure every board has a different switch setting so the EEPROMs can be read.  You should examine the documentation of each board to make sure they are compatible with each other (and won't fry each other or the Bone).
Jun 26 16:30:41 <jkridner|work> fedlap: each board should have documentation.  we've tried to get people to upload information to http://beaglebonecapes.com
Jun 26 16:33:55 <fedlap> jkridner, y, i've checked these documentations already, but except of what the switches switches according to the schematics, there's nothing else of description, what physical address the switch position actually corresponds
Jun 26 16:34:48 <vaizki_> 28.437 degrees says the DS18B20
Jun 26 16:35:03 <vaizki_> it works it works it just works
Jun 26 16:35:16 <vaizki_> and yes it's HOT in this room right now
Jun 26 16:35:19 <jkridner|work> fedlap: I don't know the polarity of any of the switches, etc., but the 4 valid addresses are 0x54, 0x55, 0x56 and 0x57.
Jun 26 16:35:44 <jkridner|work> the only requirement is that each board connected be at a different address... it doesn't matter which address...
Jun 26 16:36:00 <ds2> HOT? and it works?
Jun 26 16:36:08 <ds2> 28.437 degrees is below freezing!
Jun 26 16:36:12 <jkridner|work> conceptually, it is possible for one to be configured before another, but if you have conflicts between the boards, you have other problems you need to look at more closely.
Jun 26 16:36:35 <vaizki_> 28.437 was never below freezing here
Jun 26 16:37:03 <ds2> u must have a lot of salt :D
Jun 26 16:37:22 <ds2> wonder what you would have to have in the salt to depress it by 3.6deg
Jun 26 16:37:41 <vaizki_> no salt, just vodka
Jun 26 16:40:01 <fedlap> k, the reason i ask is because i got problems with an rs232 cape and lcd7 cape. do u know any issues?
Jun 26 16:47:02 <vaizki_> now that I have a "virtual cape" DTO fragment in /lib/firmware, what's the right way to enable it at boot?
Jun 26 16:47:24 <vaizki_> just do a systemd service that echos to the slots?
Jun 26 16:47:50 <panto> vaizki_, capemgr.enable_partno=FOO
Jun 26 16:48:48 <vaizki_> iin sysctl.conf I presume
Jun 26 16:50:22 <panto> vaizki_, no, in the kernel command line you pass
Jun 26 16:50:29 <vaizki_> oh ok
Jun 26 16:50:32 <vaizki_> thanks
Jun 26 17:05:45 <fedlap> does anyone know which uart of the rs232 cape (1,2,4,5) corresponds to which ttyO?
Jun 26 17:06:47 <panto> fedlap, the actual ttyOx number depends on load order
Jun 26 17:07:11 <panto> ttyO0 is the console, so the first UART device created will be ttyO1
Jun 26 17:08:23 <fedlap> by default rs232 comes set up with jumpers placed on uart2 which i can access by using tty02. what if i want to change the jumpers to uart4?
Jun 26 17:16:01 <tholm> hi there, I've tried to compile the kernel v3.9.7 using gcc 4.7.4, and this is causing random segfaults issues
Jun 26 17:16:26 <jkridner|work> Rickta59: http://beagleboard.org/support/BoneScript/roadmap/
Jun 26 17:22:27 <Rickta59> thanks jkridner|work
Jun 26 17:24:34 <Spirilis> I wonder if jkridner logs into irc from his phone or tablet or something
Jun 26 17:24:41 <Spirilis> always seems to be bouncing on/offline
Jun 26 17:33:05 <`26> What is the mainlining status of the beagleboard black? Would a kernel built from [ http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/linux ] and a u-boot from [ http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/u-boot ] be able to boot up and use, say, the network and serial interfaces?  I find [ http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/TI/BeagleBone ] but it seems to be quite outdated.
Jun 26 17:33:19 <`26> *found
Jun 26 17:33:40 <koen> has debian moved off the 2.4 kernel yet?
Jun 26 17:34:03 <koen> and wtf is going on with asking about "mainline" and then pointing to disto kernels
Jun 26 17:35:25 <`26> koen: oh sorry, I'll rephrase; what is the old-enough-to-be-in-debian status of the beagleboard black?
Jun 26 17:36:42 <Spirilis> `26: my understanding is a lot of the TI Sitara-specific kernel patches are not upstream yet.  Here's a wiki page that has instructions for rolling the kernel and u-boot/etc. to get Debian or Ubuntu running: http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black
Jun 26 17:37:03 <Spirilis> `26: I don't think those instructions get your install written to the onboard eMMC though, so you have to boot from uSD card.
Jun 26 17:37:07 <sujeet_> hi folks
Jun 26 17:37:10 <sujeet_> need help
Jun 26 17:37:36 <sujeet_> just bought a beagle board and tyring to run a sampl UART application
Jun 26 17:38:30 <sujeet_> the UARTEcho application that comes along with the package has function call that are implemented in system.lib and I dont see the sourec code for this library in th epackage!
Jun 26 17:38:49 <sujeet_> is there a place Ican look for it
Jun 26 17:38:50 <`26> Spirilis: hm, right, thanks.
Jun 26 17:45:04 <vaizki_> arch supports BBB at least nicely, kudos to those guys.. had zero problems so far besides the dtc there not being up to latest version
Jun 26 17:46:39 <vaizki_> with basic arch install I have 975M free on the eMMC and 46MB RAM used after boot
Jun 26 18:13:57 <rOxx> hi
Jun 26 18:15:42 <rOxx> i^m using linaro and i have build a new kernel with uImage and modules. Then i copied the uImage to the boot partition and install the modules and the firmware. but everytime i boot the kernel i get messages like "FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/3.1.3-dirty/modules.dep: No such file or directory" and few seconds later kernel panic. but the file is in the directory? can someone help me?
Jun 26 18:19:10 <`26> what is the minimal dtc version required?
Jun 26 18:26:14 <cyronin_> I have notced commenting out any mention of HDMI in am335x-bone-common.dtsi in arch/arm/boot/dts seems to successfully disable hdmi, but is there a more graceful way of doing this?
Jun 26 18:27:37 <cyronin_> i tried writing bootargs=capemgr.disable_partno=Bone-Black-HDMI into uEnv.txt and that didn't seem to work
Jun 26 18:33:30 <Spirilis> cyronin_: try optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN
Jun 26 18:33:45 <Spirilis> found that in my irc backlog from someone (m_billybob) who got that working.
Jun 26 18:38:47 <uv> hi
Jun 26 18:40:00 <uv> anybody has interfaced beagle to GbE?
Jun 26 18:56:01 <stephan_> hi, i just installed arch onto my bbb. trying to install xorg now (xorg-server xorg-xinit video-omap) but startx is crashing with "no device detected - no screens found". whats missing?
Jun 26 19:09:20 <vaizki_> I so wish BBB could do 1600x1200 from HDMI...
Jun 26 19:10:00 <vaizki_> I have a bunch of surplus 20" 1600x1200 screens from work
Jun 26 19:17:32 <cyronin_> Spirilis: Thanks, that definitely worked
Jun 26 19:17:35 <dm8tbr> vaizki_: I don't remember the details, but it might but with odd frame rates
Jun 26 19:19:43 <vaizki_> well I don't really care about fps
Jun 26 19:19:55 <vaizki_> as long as the display supports it ;)
Jun 26 19:20:27 <m_billybob> you'd most likely have to drop bitrate
Jun 26 19:21:30 <m_billybob> bit depth*
Jun 26 19:24:32 <m_billybob> Spirilis, actually i got that from some guy on the google groups, lol, but ive seen it before. panto most likely told that guy, and me a while back
Jun 26 19:24:34 <vaizki_> so the limiting factor is bus width from soc to TDA19988?
Jun 26 19:25:07 <Spirilis> vaizki_: I think memory bandwidth is a consideration too
Jun 26 19:25:20 <panto> pixel clock
Jun 26 19:25:33 <m_billybob> Spirilis, so i just noticed your bbb tindie thing
Jun 26 19:25:34 <panto> I think there's plenty of memory bandwidth
Jun 26 19:25:39 <Spirilis> ah k
Jun 26 19:25:40 <m_billybob> well earlier this morning
Jun 26 19:25:44 <Spirilis> m_billybob: yeah
Jun 26 19:25:57 <vaizki_> well must be the clock then
Jun 26 19:26:08 <m_billybob> Spirilis, pretty cool, have yo usold many yet ?
Jun 26 19:26:14 <Spirilis> m_billybob: nope, none yet
Jun 26 19:26:39 <m_billybob> cheaper than adafruits stuff ( FTDI)
Jun 26 19:27:23 <m_billybob> Spirilis looks cool though wish i lived within throwing distabnce id buy one
Jun 26 19:27:34 <m_billybob> might nudge wulf in that direction anyhow lol
Jun 26 19:28:21 <Spirilis> m_billybob: also bluehash may have a few in the 43oh store soon too, sent him 4
Jun 26 19:28:36 <vaizki_> I missed what Spirilis is selling?
Jun 26 19:28:40 <m_billybob> but he'll sell them for more no doubt
Jun 26 19:28:49 <m_billybob> how many on tindie Spirilis ?
Jun 26 19:30:18 <Spirilis> 15 on tindie
Jun 26 19:31:09 <Spirilis> vaizki_: https://www.tindie.com/products/spirilis/beaglebone-black-ftdi-friction-fit/
Jun 26 19:32:25 <m_billybob> when did you make those ? i dont recall you saying anything about them any hwere
Jun 26 19:33:09 <m_billybob> lol watching DS9 *somerandom guy* how far thsoe spots go ?" Dax "all the way down"
Jun 26 19:33:20 <vaizki_> ah.. nice. normally shipping to Finland just blows from US sites so I have to order from UK or Asia
Jun 26 19:33:28 <m_billybob> trill humor
Jun 26 19:33:54 <Spirilis> m_billybob: haha, I vaguely remember that line too
Jun 26 19:34:06 <Spirilis> m_billybob: last week I think, didn't make a thread yet b/c I was lazy
Jun 26 19:34:17 <Spirilis> m_billybob: the reflow skillet totally rocked hardcore with this project btw
Jun 26 19:34:35 <m_billybob> yeah ?
Jun 26 19:34:36 <Spirilis> I think I knocked them all out in 1 run
Jun 26 19:34:37 <vaizki_> I don't have a USB-TTLserial cable at all actually.. though I remember ordering one last week
Jun 26 19:34:59 <m_billybob> Spirilis, updated code ? I glanced at your PID stuff, stil dotn quite get it
Jun 26 19:35:00 <Spirilis> or 2 runs actually, I forgot the paste on the USB shield tabs the first time
Jun 26 19:35:11 <Spirilis> m_billybob: that code is what's running
Jun 26 19:35:19 <m_billybob> nice
Jun 26 19:35:37 <m_billybob> I guess i need to read that article again
Jun 26 19:35:50 <Spirilis> I just used the PID examples from what one blog site you mentioned a while back, and worked it into my Timer_A based triac duty cycler
Jun 26 19:35:57 <Spirilis> *that
Jun 26 19:36:13 <Spirilis> redid things here and there to make sense in the context of how my app was working
Jun 26 19:36:21 <m_billybob> So im curious how that would differ from my faux PWM done with WDT
Jun 26 19:36:52 <Spirilis> not sure, probably not a whole lot.  I just used timer_A since it's already set up for fine grained duty cycle work like that
Jun 26 19:37:16 <Spirilis> and can generate interrupts at the right moment without much code
Jun 26 19:37:30 <m_billybob> Well i only did 32 counts because its a power of two
Jun 26 19:38:28 <m_billybob> just pidling around I found that higher resolution didnt make much differnce but f course I couldnt do 64 counts . . . Line freq couldnt handle it
Jun 26 19:38:37 <Spirilis> yeah
Jun 26 19:38:43 <Spirilis> I dunno what difference it really makes
Jun 26 19:38:49 <Spirilis> it probably doesn't make a whole lot of diff
Jun 26 19:38:52 <Spirilis> but it felt good writing it :)
Jun 26 19:38:53 <Spirilis> haha
Jun 26 19:39:00 <m_billybob> did you make a vid ? lol id watch it !
Jun 26 19:39:02 <Spirilis> nah
Jun 26 19:39:06 <Spirilis> I don't have a setup for video
Jun 26 19:39:11 <m_billybob> :(
Jun 26 19:39:57 <m_billybob> smaller needles are workign good then i take it
Jun 26 19:39:58 <Spirilis> it does do some PWM here and there especially when landing at a new temperature, I bet it would work just as well without that sub-2.1 second granularity though.
Jun 26 19:40:07 <Spirilis> oh yeah, I like 'em.  20 and 22ga ftw
Jun 26 19:40:47 <Spirilis> 22ga actually gives me a bead that, while it looks like it'll bridge and probably does before reflow starts, actually meters enough that I didn't have a single bridged pin on the USB connectors for any of them.
Jun 26 19:41:05 <Spirilis> just enough to connect but little enough that it all gets sopped up onto the metal pins during reflow
Jun 26 19:41:27 <m_billybob> I was watching an arduino oven controller video on yourtube  while back. Assuming the tracking I saw was legit, the guys algo kept the heat curve in check the whole way
Jun 26 19:41:50 <Spirilis> yeah ... was that PID based?
Jun 26 19:41:53 <m_billybob> WIth my current code, im getting "bounce"
Jun 26 19:41:57 <panto> Spirilis, +1
Jun 26 19:42:19 <m_billybob> i think it may have been the guy who wrote that guide, and the ardruino lib ( but am not sure )
Jun 26 19:42:43 <m_billybob> Spirilis, so yeah i think so
Jun 26 19:43:02 <Spirilis> ah right.  I honestly haven't tried charting any of my runs, so I could be way off, might get around to that soon :-)
Jun 26 19:43:47 <m_billybob> eentually i want to do a Windows C# graphing app but we need betterheat containment
Jun 26 19:44:27 <Spirilis> I think my biggest challenge, well besides heat spreading (not terribly worried about that since I've found the hot spots in my skillet) is a reliable anchor for the thermocouple that won't adversely affect its measurement.
Jun 26 19:44:31 <m_billybob> might try and shift the control off onto a PC
Jun 26 19:44:46 <Spirilis> currently I have to hold the tip against the skillet surface but it's hot and as it warms up likes to skip/move around a bit
Jun 26 19:44:54 <Spirilis> softens up the thermocouple wires I guess
Jun 26 19:44:58 <Spirilis> or insulation or something
Jun 26 19:45:13 <m_billybob> yeah lol remember i was talkign abou that before ;)
Jun 26 19:45:22 <Spirilis> I'm holding it from above the cover of course, with the thermocouple lead going through the skillet's steam hole
Jun 26 19:45:31 <Spirilis> yeah
Jun 26 19:45:36 <m_billybob> need like a bracket "heatsinked" to something
Jun 26 19:45:58 <m_billybob> idk though i need to experiement
Jun 26 19:46:54 <pru_evtout_2> panto?
Jun 26 19:47:04 <panto> pru_evtout_2, yes?
Jun 26 19:47:24 <pru_evtout_2> i asked a question last night about muxing a socket on the fly.
Jun 26 19:47:34 <pru_evtout_2> and you mentioned that's the point of device tree.
Jun 26 19:47:40 <m_billybob> So, with thermal tracking. My code as is with our oven "bounces" and it is not the oven so much as the temperatures making wild swings up and down
Jun 26 19:47:41 <pru_evtout_2> i reread the doc to make sure i didn't miss anything
Jun 26 19:47:54 <panto> you'll have to refresh my memory
Jun 26 19:47:57 <pru_evtout_2> but i don't see how i can, dynamically, set pin configurations without generating and recompiling overlays, on the fly.
Jun 26 19:48:03 <panto> it's full of eels^Wholes
Jun 26 19:48:03 <m_billybob> err not the code so much as the wild swings in temps*
Jun 26 19:48:03 <pru_evtout_2> basically, i have a socket
Jun 26 19:48:36 <pru_evtout_2> the user can put stuffs in the socket at any time.
Jun 26 19:48:49 <pru_evtout_2> they push a button, i power down the socket, highz all the pins, and power it back up.
Jun 26 19:49:07 <m_billybob> what ya working on now pru_evtout_2 ?
Jun 26 19:49:18 <pru_evtout_2> but, i don't really know what's in the socket. they have that defined elsewhere.
Jun 26 19:49:34 <Spirilis> m_billybob: hmm, wonder if that's related to the convection feature.  does your setup have the fan yet?  or no?
Jun 26 19:49:41 <panto> you must know something about the hardware that's connected?
Jun 26 19:50:14 <pru_evtout_2> only that all the pins are limited to gpio and i2c.
Jun 26 19:50:22 <pru_evtout_2> so, that's not too much of a problem.
Jun 26 19:50:24 <m_billybob> Spirilis yeah i run the fan the whole time, shut it off via the user manually via a pus hbutton
Jun 26 19:50:40 <panto> ok, so who comes up with the pinmuxing?
Jun 26 19:50:42 <pru_evtout_2> but, they have to be able to control the pull up/down/enable.
Jun 26 19:50:57 <pru_evtout_2> the muxing is basically fixed to gpio and i2c.
Jun 26 19:51:01 <pru_evtout_2> err...functional muxing.
Jun 26 19:51:15 <pru_evtout_2> but the other mux settings, like pull/highz, they define.
Jun 26 19:51:26 <pru_evtout_2> and need to be able to control in real time.
Jun 26 19:51:40 <panto> pinctrl allows arbitrary set of pinmux states
Jun 26 19:51:46 <pru_evtout_2> err...not "real time".
Jun 26 19:51:47 <panto> have you seen pinctrl helper?
Jun 26 19:51:48 <Spirilis> m_billybob: hmm, with that setup I wonder if PID would work better for you.
Jun 26 19:52:00 <Tartarus> vvu, ping over here :)
Jun 26 19:52:17 <pru_evtout_2> panto, not really. last i saw it was under development.
Jun 26 19:52:21 <vvu> Tartarus: okok
Jun 26 19:52:24 <Spirilis> m_billybob: my understanding is PID tries to dial out those kinds of issues with its historical tracking algorithm and the proportions assigned to the different pieces via the P,I,D coefficients
Jun 26 19:52:31 <m_billybob> Spirilis essentially I already am, or at least thats the feeling I have( need to read and understadn that article better )
Jun 26 19:52:32 <pru_evtout_2> ...it's been a while since i looked.
Jun 26 19:52:41 <vvu> Tartarus: i am more intrested in finding the usb_tx function to just dump on my screen raw data
Jun 26 19:52:46 <Spirilis> ah
Jun 26 19:52:49 <m_billybob> Spirilis, i think its more of a heat los issue
Jun 26 19:52:58 <m_billybob> but im not 100% sure
Jun 26 19:52:59 <vvu> because rndis is high-level right now. need to go a bit lower level there is where the bug happens
Jun 26 19:53:02 <Tartarus> vvu, I think you need to talk with Tom King again a bit.  I really would recommend doing some debug with standard linux <--> android right now
Jun 26 19:53:11 <Spirilis> m_billybob: probably is, but with a fan going I wouldn't expect it to be too bouncy, it should lose heat at a predictable rate
Jun 26 19:53:17 <pru_evtout_2> panto, oh, this is the one mentioned in the doc?
Jun 26 19:53:31 <Spirilis> m_billybob: anyway hard for me to say since I haven't tried your setup :)
Jun 26 19:53:46 <pru_evtout_2> what's described in the doc, i would have to define all the possible states for all the pins of the socket.
Jun 26 19:53:49 <Tartarus> With that setup you can just use tcpdump, or rather um, why can't I recall the name
Jun 26 19:53:55 <vaizki_> ngrep?
Jun 26 19:53:56 <vvu> usbmon
Jun 26 19:53:57 <m_billybob> Spirilis, also within leaded temp ranges, its not much of an issue its only when getting up to leadfree profiles ( 240C ) where I have issues
Jun 26 19:53:57 <vvu> ?
Jun 26 19:54:07 <Spirilis> m_billybob: ahh, aye.
Jun 26 19:54:08 <pru_evtout_2> or at least, that's what it seems.
Jun 26 19:54:28 <Tartarus> vvu, No, I was thinking wireshark
Jun 26 19:54:40 <vvu> tcpdump then that pcap in wireshark, yes
Jun 26 19:55:01 <m_billybob> Spirilis, I wish wulf would have listened to me and bought an IR oven
Jun 26 19:55:01 <Tartarus> Well, wireshark can capture all the different levels of this
Jun 26 19:55:06 <vaizki_> wireshark can also remote capture which is nice
Jun 26 19:55:27 <Tartarus> vaizki_, that'll be a little hard for usb-usb :)
Jun 26 19:55:55 <vvu> yeah but at least did something today, after couple of good days of searching into darkness got something to work
Jun 26 19:56:00 <pru_evtout_2> that would work, but seems pretty crazy. i would have to do something like pin*_pulldisable, pin*_pulldown, pin*_pullup for all pins.
Jun 26 19:56:00 <m_billybob> We've already gutted the convection oven so its no longer an option to return it lol
Jun 26 19:56:17 <pru_evtout_2> i suppose that's ok.
Jun 26 19:56:22 <vaizki_> just return it and say it was possessed by demons
Jun 26 19:56:59 <Spirilis> m_billybob: what's the shell of the convection oven like?  black paint or shiny aluminum?
Jun 26 19:57:12 <m_billybob> just the cover
Jun 26 19:57:22 <m_billybob> 1/16
Jun 26 19:57:37 <m_billybob> 1/16" steel / metal
Jun 26 19:57:57 <Spirilis> ah k, try wrapping all the wrappable parts in aluminum foil?  (minus the door)
Jun 26 19:58:05 <panto> pru_evtout_2, sorry was afk
Jun 26 19:58:16 <Spirilis> trying not to touch the foil to the table or whatever, just providing a radiant barrier
Jun 26 19:58:37 <m_billybob> Spirilis wulf says wrapping it with normal glass insulation would probably be the best
Jun 26 19:58:50 <m_billybob> i dotn really know
Jun 26 19:58:57 <Spirilis> yeah that'd work too.  aluminum foil's a good cheap mod
Jun 26 19:59:05 <m_billybob> i mentioned aluminum foil to him before and he just laughed
Jun 26 19:59:17 <Spirilis> haha
Jun 26 19:59:18 <Spirilis> well then.
Jun 26 19:59:35 <m_billybob> plus the electrical contacts of the elements, and the electronics are all over on the sides
Jun 26 19:59:42 <pru_evtout_2> panto: i wrote a few lines above. is that what i'll have to do? write all the states for all pins?
Jun 26 19:59:52 <panto> pru_evtout_2, yes
Jun 26 20:00:07 <panto> define the pinmux states for each pin/set of pins
Jun 26 20:00:09 <CiSeR> hi
Jun 26 20:00:32 <panto> you'll have to create a pinmux helper device for each pin/set of pins
Jun 26 20:01:02 <panto> but then you can switch muxing easily by cating the name of the state in the sysfs property
Jun 26 20:01:09 <pru_evtout_2> hrmm, ok. sounds doable.
Jun 26 20:01:21 <m_billybob> ah was just going ot ask that panto.
Jun 26 20:01:42 <pru_evtout_2> although, i'm tempted to just write registers, since i'm only changing pulldown state's basically.
Jun 26 20:01:49 <m_billybob> panto any idea of switching rate capabilities with sysfs ? between states
Jun 26 20:02:09 <panto> define 'rate capabilities'
Jun 26 20:02:21 <pru_evtout_2> m_billybob: gpio state setting through sysfs is a few hundred khz :-\
Jun 26 20:02:21 <m_billybob> how fast can state be switched.
Jun 26 20:02:24 <panto> pru_evtout_2, don't write registers
Jun 26 20:02:53 <pru_evtout_2> i know..it's wrong. it's the bad lazy developer inside me that wants to.
Jun 26 20:03:04 <m_billybob> panto just wondering abotu a rough estimate.
Jun 26 20:03:07 <panto> if you need high speed gpio switching doing it from user-space is just a bad idea
Jun 26 20:03:14 <m_billybob> ah ok
Jun 26 20:03:17 <pru_evtout_2> 5MHz with mmap :P
Jun 26 20:03:22 <pru_evtout_2> i wouldn't say that's too bad.
Jun 26 20:03:34 <panto> I pull 100MHz on the PRU for max rate :)
Jun 26 20:03:57 <m_billybob> 2 cycle switching eh
Jun 26 20:04:07 <panto> but obviously you can't do much at that rate
Jun 26 20:04:31 <panto> although there's a nice shifting feature that helps if you're doing shifting in/out
Jun 26 20:05:19 <m_billybob> I was just curious, id need nothign that fast personally. Just now startign to grasp this sysfs concept
Jun 26 20:05:24 <panto> the problem with doing it from user-space (or even kernel space for that matter) is that your jitter is going to be epic
Jun 26 20:05:57 <panto> linux != mcu
Jun 26 20:06:03 <m_billybob> and i do need userspace, because im controllign stuff via a web app. probably custom web app ( no bonescript )
Jun 26 20:06:04 <Spirilis> yeah and even with the PRU it's best to use one of its dedicated pins aye?
Jun 26 20:06:04 <pru_evtout_2> lol. for sure.
Jun 26 20:06:27 <mranostay> are we talking bitbanging again?
Jun 26 20:06:29 <panto> the dedicated pins can switch at the pru clock of 200Mhz
Jun 26 20:06:40 <ofus> if the leds on the beaglebone black don't even power on at all using a known good power source, that means it is definately dead right?
Jun 26 20:06:50 <panto> accessing the GPIO blocks incurs arbitration penalties
Jun 26 20:06:55 <Spirilis> yeah
Jun 26 20:06:56 <mranostay> ofus: likely
Jun 26 20:07:06 <panto> it's dead jim
Jun 26 20:07:13 <m_billybob> not necesarily ofus
Jun 26 20:07:34 <m_billybob> if its never worked it could be the bbb doesnt like the power supply
Jun 26 20:07:55 <m_billybob> or the power supply just isnt suitable
Jun 26 20:08:29 <pru_evtout_2> ofus: what about with usb power?
Jun 26 20:08:34 <panto> btw, if you guys think about needing something to switch GPIOs at a high speed you'd better provide what use case is that
Jun 26 20:08:35 <pru_evtout_2> panto: thanks for the guidance. :)
Jun 26 20:08:45 <m_billybob> Gerald has been saying that some ( all ? ) switchers arent a good option.
Jun 26 20:08:45 <panto> SPI for instance is high speed gpio switching
Jun 26 20:09:16 <panto> but there's a defined interface, and there are both hardware and gpio based spio device drivers
Jun 26 20:09:29 <m_billybob> so SPI and I2C can be used similar to gpio via pinmux helper ?
Jun 26 20:09:34 <panto> what are you doing that requires fast switching and are there common ground
Jun 26 20:09:58 <panto> everything can
Jun 26 20:10:07 <m_billybob> sorry if my terminology is incorrect im still leanring . ..
Jun 26 20:10:08 <Spirilis> m_billybob: pinmux helper and then Linux's spidev interface, see Rick's WS2811 example where he wrote a C program to write to /dev/spidev0
Jun 26 20:10:10 <m_billybob> nice.
Jun 26 20:10:16 <panto> but you should have a good reason not to put the pinmux in the i2c/spi device node
Jun 26 20:11:15 <m_billybob> panto, no idea, i need to find a good read on the usage of SPI / I2C from the sysfs aspect. not exactly sure what i need would work
Jun 26 20:11:29 <ofus> it used to work fine with usb power and with the other one
Jun 26 20:11:30 <m_billybob> ( that way )
Jun 26 20:11:48 <m_billybob> ofus, have yo upressed S2 ( reset) ?
Jun 26 20:11:54 <ofus> then i let it run for a day or so, unplugged it and took it somewhere else, now no workey
Jun 26 20:12:09 * pru_evtout_2 panicked while justifying his pru use in his head.
Jun 26 20:12:37 <ofus> m_billybob: yes, I tried mashing reset and boot and power and holding them in etc
Jun 26 20:12:53 <m_billybob> so no leds come on at all eh ?
Jun 26 20:12:59 <ofus> nope
Jun 26 20:13:17 <ofus> I had just installed the android demo build :\
Jun 26 20:13:19 <pru_evtout_2> does waving a dead herring over stuff still work, or is that just a 90's thing?
Jun 26 20:13:23 <m_billybob> In your shoes id contact Gerald via the beagleboard google groups
Jun 26 20:13:38 <ofus> ok thanks
Jun 26 20:13:41 <m_billybob> or maybe call or email CC0
Jun 26 20:14:06 <Stanto> ofus bbb dead ?
Jun 26 20:14:38 <SpeedEvil> pru_evtout_2: These days, you wave a dead Steve Jobs over it.
Jun 26 20:15:26 <m_billybob> Spirilis, sorry ... so spidev, and there is an i2c equiv i think, would be how I'd communicate with SPI / I2C devices then ?
Jun 26 20:15:46 <Spirilis> m_billybob: no idea about i2c, I think there is though, and there are i2c* cli tools for playing with it.
Jun 26 20:15:48 <panto> err, wait
Jun 26 20:16:13 <panto> you can communicate with i2c or spi devices using a generic device interface
Jun 26 20:16:25 <Spirilis> ah k that's what I figured
Jun 26 20:16:38 <Spirilis> with ioctl()'s and stuff for adjusting params?
Jun 26 20:16:44 <panto> but before you do it that way, try to see if there's a driver already for the spi/i2c device you're controlling
Jun 26 20:17:14 <m_billybob> panto, i guess whats most confusing to me is why there are lots of I/O drivers in the kernel. i2c and spi specific devices. loadeable as modules.
Jun 26 20:17:18 <panto> if there is, use the kernel driver interface and don't go banging at the device manually
Jun 26 20:17:36 <panto> m_billybob, yes, and that's the whole point of linux
Jun 26 20:17:43 <panto> you don't have to start from scratch
Jun 26 20:18:04 <ofus> Stanto: yes :(
Jun 26 20:18:06 <m_billybob> but i2c / spi isnt a device, they're communication protocols though right ?
Jun 26 20:18:33 <panto> PCI is a bus, but there are drivers for PCI devices too
Jun 26 20:18:36 <m_billybob> idk seem i have more to learn
Jun 26 20:19:08 <panto> would you expect to perform raw read/writes to get a PCI device to work?
Jun 26 20:19:28 <panto> it is theoretically possible, but there are drivers to make the device easy to use
Jun 26 20:19:28 <mastiff> not in 2013
Jun 26 20:19:49 <bradfa> panto, /dev/mem ftw!
Jun 26 20:25:06 <m_billybob> panto, no, I wouldnt
Jun 26 20:25:13 <m_billybob> I gues im lookignat it wrongly
Jun 26 20:25:52 <m_billybob> I know that spi for instance, some manufacturers use variations of proto's
Jun 26 20:26:23 <m_billybob> anyhow ill have to do more reading. I have linux device drivers 3rd edition in dead tree format
Jun 26 20:26:33 <m_billybob> have had it for a couple years never got aroudn to reading it though
Jun 26 20:26:54 <panto> unfortunately ldd3 is now horribly outdated
Jun 26 20:27:08 <panto> ldd should have regular 6 month updates
Jun 26 20:27:16 <panto> to be semi relevant
Jun 26 20:27:20 <m_billybob> should still give me a rough idea though ?
Jun 26 20:27:40 <panto> yes, certainly
Jun 26 20:28:04 <bradfa> https://lwn.net/Articles/2.6-kernel-api/ <= and some updates are here till 2009
Jun 26 20:29:48 <m_billybob> but for i2c and spi  i only need to set mode / settings then just read and write. for GPIO mostly it'll be on and off, plus maybe some state checking
Jun 26 20:30:04 <bradfa> m_billybob, would spidev work for you?
Jun 26 20:30:27 * bradfa might be coming to this late
Jun 26 20:30:32 <m_billybob> im assuming so but not 100% sure, and equiv for i2c too
Jun 26 20:30:48 <m_billybob> im still newb to embedded linux so lots to learn still
Jun 26 20:30:56 <georgem> I miss ldd3
Jun 26 20:31:12 <bradfa> m_billybob, I thought there was an equiv i2c from userspace ability...
Jun 26 20:31:15 <m_billybob> georgem then relive your past and download a copy for free ;)
Jun 26 20:31:32 <m_billybob> bradfa from what ive seen just poking around there seems to be
Jun 26 20:31:44 <m_billybob> poking around in /sys/class/
Jun 26 20:32:22 <georgem> m_billybob: i miss when I could rely on information in not being obsolete.
Jun 26 20:32:31 <m_billybob> I may switch over to angstrom for a little while to clearify some stuff. as far as I can tell there is not /sys/kernel/debug path in debian
Jun 26 20:32:47 <m_billybob> well there is but theres nothign in it
Jun 26 20:33:15 <m_billybob> im assuming its in a different path or just doesnt exist on debian
Jun 26 20:33:17 <bradfa> m_billybob, /sys is a virtual file system the kernel provides
Jun 26 20:33:43 <georgem>  /sys/kernel/debug isn't always mounted
Jun 26 20:33:53 <bradfa> georgem, put it in your fstab
Jun 26 20:33:55 <m_billybob> i have PINCTRL debug compiled in statically  ( i think )
Jun 26 20:35:08 <cyronin_> ive been wondering, because im delving into driver development too, and ive been scraping at Documentation/* and code examples and stackoverflow google results, is there a relevant place to find a consolidated instruction on making modules?
Jun 26 20:35:49 <cyronin_> as well as a few videos from greg kroah hartman
Jun 26 20:35:50 <bradfa> cyronin_, ldd3 sort of was that resource and it will give you good background if you use it in tandem with the source
Jun 26 20:36:04 <georgem> cyronin_: I don't think so. I find the best thing to do is find the closest few drivers to what you're planning on doing an go through them and figure out how they work
Jun 26 20:37:24 <dnil> cyronin_, I think the training material at http://free-electrons.com/training/kernel/ is worth to have in mind as well
Jun 26 20:37:37 <cyronin_> ive been looking at that and found so many things are different for such fundamental systems now that ldd3 is good abstract knowledge, but impossible to trust without seeing a stackoverflow or 3 year old forum post go through all the reasons why some function call is obsolete or nonexistent
Jun 26 20:38:01 <cyronin_> ill look at that
Jun 26 20:38:18 <panto> a new ldd book would be helpful
Jun 26 20:38:29 <panto> anyone know if he's writing a new one?
Jun 26 20:38:59 <dnil> cyronin_, they have the courses as well, but the course material is free to download and read
Jun 26 20:38:59 <georgem> no idea. writting technical documents isn't very fun so I doubt it.
Jun 26 20:39:55 <cyronin_> i was kinda hoping kernelnewbies would host some kind of detailed tutorial code or something, or if they do i suck at finding stuff
Jun 26 20:41:06 <bradfa> ldd3 isn't that out of date if you just want to do simple things and don't mind googling a little bit or reading kernel source
Jun 26 20:41:10 <m_billybob> panto. jkridner has a book, although i have no idea on how thuroughly it covers DT
Jun 26 20:41:16 <m_billybob> not exactly a driver boo keither
Jun 26 20:41:20 <georgem> cyronin_: it would almost need to be a continuous task. or some sections would be come out of date in weeks
Jun 26 20:41:33 <bradfa> and if you don't mind doing things wrong (but good enough to make something work)
Jun 26 20:42:12 <cyronin_> yeah, and it seems like Documentation/* is enough of a task for them to keep up to date as well
Jun 26 20:42:23 <cyronin_> codingstyle is a good doc though
Jun 26 20:42:44 <panto> cyronin_, Documentation is also horribly outdated
Jun 26 20:43:38 <m_billybob> wonderful
Jun 26 20:43:43 * m_billybob has a new dog
Jun 26 20:43:55 <georgem> seriously though I would take a brief look at what ever written info you can find but go look at examples of other drivers/modules of the same type and see how its done correctly
Jun 26 20:44:03 <m_billybob> 11 month old rottie . . .
Jun 26 20:44:35 <bradfa> m_billybob, so the lesson here is don't complain about kernel docs or else someone will give you a dog
Jun 26 20:44:52 <m_billybob> lol im not complaining im just lost
Jun 26 20:45:05 <georgem> m_billybob: what are you trying to do?
Jun 26 20:45:12 <bradfa> georgem, feed a dog
Jun 26 20:45:14 <m_billybob> trying to understand.
Jun 26 20:45:17 <bradfa> with spi bus
Jun 26 20:45:33 <cyronin_> yeah, thats the stage im at right now.
Jun 26 20:46:02 <cyronin_> I'm mostly trying to figure out how the industrialio subsystem works
Jun 26 20:46:05 <georgem> ok. what is the missing piece? is there an IC you want to interface with but no driver exists? Are you interfacing with a microcontroller?
Jun 26 20:47:07 <m_billybob> georgem i have a project that uses *all* pins out.  Its probably simple, but i just ned  to wrap my brain around the idea of embedded linux is all
Jun 26 20:47:33 <m_billybob> quite possibly everything i need driver wise is already provided for me
Jun 26 20:47:47 <m_billybob> I just need to learn how to use it
Jun 26 20:47:56 <cyronin_> there is an accelerometer i want to get interfaced, and im not 100% certain if an existing input driver actualy works with it
Jun 26 20:48:09 <m_billybob> uart seems really simple and if thats an indication . . .then its going ot be easier than I originally thought
Jun 26 20:48:23 <georgem> cyronin_: i2c? spi?
Jun 26 20:48:32 <vaizki_> accelerometers are usually i2c or spi and you're golden with those
Jun 26 20:48:47 <cyronin_> I havent compared datasheets, protocol differences, register differences or anything, but its the i2c BMA180 accelerometer
Jun 26 20:49:00 <cyronin_> and i was able to find BMA150
Jun 26 20:49:44 <cyronin_> drivers/input/misc/bma150.c seems to be close to it
Jun 26 20:49:48 <vaizki_> you don't need a driver for a specific MEMS device
Jun 26 20:49:54 <vaizki_> just bang I2C at it
Jun 26 20:49:59 <vaizki_> http://www.gigamegablog.com/2012/11/04/beaglebone-coding-101-i2c/
Jun 26 20:50:24 <KotH> cyronin_: i recently interfaced a bma250 (spi), it's really easy and very little code
Jun 26 20:50:27 <ds2> accels are easy to interface
Jun 26 20:50:36 <ds2> that driver might work or mod it slightly
Jun 26 20:50:39 <ds2> what data rates do you need?
Jun 26 20:51:18 <m_billybob> vaizki, nice thanks derek molloy has a vid on i2c too i think
Jun 26 20:51:21 <KotH> cyronin_: only thing that you should keep an eye on is that during startup time you should not have any data going to the bma... and the startup time is about twice as long as in the datasheet specified
Jun 26 20:51:26 <georgem> Might see if this driver is compatible: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/input/misc/bma150.c
Jun 26 20:51:43 <cyronin_> i know its not needed and can be done in userspace, but im also looking for an excuse to make/work with kernel code, as i do see other accel drivers in the tree
Jun 26 20:51:47 <KotH> cyronin_: failing to follow that rule will lead to weird behavior of the sensor
Jun 26 20:52:15 <vaizki_> the others are IIO drivers?
Jun 26 20:52:49 <cyronin_> yeah, im still confused by that, there are iio drivers and input drivers for accelerometers, is the difference between those about data rates or something?
Jun 26 20:53:20 <cyronin_> or is there an organizational shift going on?
Jun 26 20:53:29 <cyronin_> probably wrong channel to ask in
Jun 26 20:53:34 <ds2> no, the difference is the way they provide output
Jun 26 20:53:42 <ds2> both can do the data rates
Jun 26 20:54:21 <dnil> I've developed a new cape for the bone, and I'm wondering what part number to give it. Is there a naming convention? I'm currently calling it DNIL-AMPCAPE-1, is that ok?
Jun 26 20:55:13 <dnil> Seems like the name a pick would be visible in quite a few places in case I'd like to get a patch into the ångström kernel for example.
Jun 26 20:55:39 <vaizki_> iio is more geared towards adcs etc, you can specify things like triggers and then get notified in userspace when things happen instead of polling etc
Jun 26 20:56:00 <panto> dnil, the name is fine
Jun 26 20:56:11 <Spirilis> ah interesting
Jun 26 20:56:14 <Spirilis> first time I'd read about IIO
Jun 26 20:56:19 * Spirilis has been living under a rock fyi
Jun 26 20:56:25 <cyronin_> gotcha, so input would be a more reasonable subsystem to go for if i just have a process polling
Jun 26 20:56:25 <panto> what does it do?
Jun 26 20:56:48 <vaizki_> for an accelerometer I would go with IIO
Jun 26 20:57:16 <dnil> panto, thanks. It combines an audio DAC with an audio amplifier and a 12-24V DC input power supply for the amp and the bone.
Jun 26 20:57:30 <panto> excellent
Jun 26 20:57:44 <dnil> So you can hook up speakers directly to the cape
Jun 26 20:57:50 <panto> if you have a dts fragment we can put it in the kernel we ship
Jun 26 20:58:09 <vaizki_> does it have a subwoofer output?!
Jun 26 20:58:15 <dnil> Yes, I have a dts.
Jun 26 20:58:32 <dnil> No subwoofer output, sorry...
Jun 26 20:58:34 <panto> ok, send it to either me or koen
Jun 26 20:58:50 <vaizki_> what do you mean no subwoofer? :(
Jun 26 20:59:33 <dnil> Will sent it when I'm ready, I'm working to restore davinci-evm support in the 3.8 kernel first.
Jun 26 21:00:32 <dnil> vaizki, the idea is to have a platform to build devices like the Sonos multi-room audio solution.
Jun 26 21:01:26 <dnil> I've built a couple of protos, and audio works well over pulseaudio rtp protocol with mpd as the source
Jun 26 21:01:36 <jkroon_> panto, are you familiar with the tilcdc driver ? I updated my meta-beagleboard and a couple of other layers I have, and now Xorg won't start anymore, complaining that modesetting driver can't find any devices. I'm using an external LCD panel with a custom dts-fragment in the kernel. The panel is not sending any EDID information (via i2c?) or something like that, only the LCD-signals are connected.
Jun 26 21:02:14 <vaizki_> well I have a sonos setup and the connect:amp which is close to what you're doing definitely has a subwoofer output + automatically activated crossover when something is plugged in there
Jun 26 21:02:20 <panto> boot with drm.debug=255 and pastebin the output
Jun 26 21:02:57 <panto> jkroon_, we switched to the modesetting driver for X11
Jun 26 21:03:31 <jkroon_> panto, ok, will do. Yeah, and I noticed something about blacklisting/whitelisting resolutions. I havent added anything like that to my dts...
Jun 26 21:03:53 <vaizki_> dnil, how are the different playout devices time-synced? timecodes in the stream?
Jun 26 21:03:54 <dnil> vaizki, do you mean a subwoofer amplifier output or a subwoofer lowlevel output?
Jun 26 21:04:22 <vaizki_> line level sub out of course
Jun 26 21:04:36 <vaizki_> a sub amp would be huge :)
Jun 26 21:04:45 <vaizki_> at least if it was worth using
Jun 26 21:05:19 <dnil> Right, ok then I follow. Yes it would be possible to get line level out for a sub from my design as well.
Jun 26 21:05:23 <vaizki_> http://www.digitalmusicuser.co.uk/upload/data/622_Large.jpg
Jun 26 21:06:34 <dnil> The sonos devices are very nice indeed, I was thinking to start with something a lot lower cost and "simpler"
Jun 26 21:07:00 <vaizki_> which DAC are you using btw?
Jun 26 21:07:09 <vaizki_> wolfson?
Jun 26 21:07:13 <dnil> RTP protocol carries time sync information. Quite a lot of processing on the ARM CPU, but the BBB keeps up nicely
Jun 26 21:07:24 <dnil> TI TLV320AIC3106
Jun 26 21:07:47 <vaizki_> dnil, ok that's great because even though time sync is a "small" thing, it makes a huge difference in multiroom setups
Jun 26 21:08:24 <dnil> vaizki, right. It doesn't take much delay before the human ear can pick it up.
Jun 26 21:10:10 <vaizki_> are you breaking out all the pins from the dac?
Jun 26 21:11:15 <dnil> not currently, I sent line out differentially to the amplifier and I've put a connector on there for the line in.
Jun 26 21:12:14 <dnil> headphone output is "free" for example.
Jun 26 21:17:03 <levi> dnil: Have you heard of Ethernet AVB? The hardware in BBB has features that allow it to achieve very accurate time sync and low-latency media transmission, which can give you far better sync between stations than plain RTP can and doesn't require PulseAudio resampling.
Jun 26 21:17:23 <panto> levi, the hardware yes
Jun 26 21:17:30 <panto> not in the linux driver I've seen though
Jun 26 21:17:54 <levi> Right, but I (at some point) am planning on writing an AVB implementation for it.
Jun 26 21:18:02 <panto> cool
Jun 26 21:19:56 <dnil> levi, is that an application of Ethernet PTP ?
Jun 26 21:20:00 <levi> I think at least the time sync stuff should not require a huge amount of work.
Jun 26 21:20:24 <levi> AVB uses a variant of IEEE 1588 PTP called gPTP, yes.
Jun 26 21:20:45 <levi> But gPTP is only a part of AVB.
Jun 26 21:21:51 <dnil> cool, that should of course be better than to include it in the RTP stream
Jun 26 21:23:06 <dnil> Are you planning on integrating it with pulseaudio ?
Jun 26 21:23:12 <levi> It also includes a couple of new protocols in 802.1Q (VLAN Bridging) for stream reservations and forwarding and queueing of time-sensitive streams, and there are currently two transport protocols, IEEE 1722 and IEEE 1733.  The first adapts IEC61883 (audio/video transport over Firewire) to Ethernet framing and the second adapts RTP to use gPTP timestamps.
Jun 26 21:24:18 <levi> I'm not sure where in the audio stack it would hook in yet.
Jun 26 21:27:15 <vaizki_> sounds like MPLS for audio or something :P
Jun 26 21:27:42 <vaizki_> naturally if you run a recording studio or something you'd want those features
Jun 26 21:27:52 <levi> Anyway, with IEEE 1722 transport, audio is presented at the top end of the 1722 stack on the receiving device precisely 2ms from when it entered the top end on the sending side.  This is on a 100MBit LAN over 7 hops (assuming AVB-capable bridges, which is an unfortunate assumption right now).
Jun 26 21:28:42 <dnil> levi, any thoughts in those protocols how to do this over wireless links?
Jun 26 21:29:23 <vaizki_> just run it over RTP is my suggestion if you're doing home audio over wifi.. :O
Jun 26 21:29:26 <levi> dnil: Yes, they've all got clauses for how 802.11 networks (as well as a couple of other kinds of non-Ethernet networks) should implement them.
Jun 26 21:30:33 <levi> But unfortunately, the WiFi Alliance has dropped support for some aspects of the 802.11 spec that the forwarding/queuing bits of AVB rely upon.
Jun 26 21:31:03 <dnil> I have RTP working over WiFi now, but it works a lot better of course using wired of course.
Jun 26 21:31:06 <levi> Pulseaudio RTP currently fails pretty badly over WiFi on account of only using multicast.
Jun 26 21:31:12 <vaizki_> and random vendor from china who makes the wifi usb dongle will drop the rest
Jun 26 21:31:32 <dnil> levi, Hmm, both good and bad then.
Jun 26 21:31:59 <dnil> interesting in any case!
Jun 26 21:32:20 <levi> Multicast is a huge efficiency win on a wired network if you have multiple listening stations, but on 802.11 it interacts badly with the way they implement multicast right now.
Jun 26 21:33:36 <Roni_> Hey guys, i struggeling with some weird problem right now. i have a usb hub to my BBB connected and i had a wifi dongle attached and it worked nice. now i have attached an usb webcam but the BBB dosent recognizes the device. I´m aware of the fact that hotplugging currently isnt working because of kernel issues. Also my BBB is powered by a normal supply, not over the pc usb. Some Logs: http://pastebin.com/2qHtWSaE anyone got an Idea ho
Jun 26 21:33:55 <dnil> levi, Yes, I've seen that as well. Turned out I had to split my home network into two subnets for that reason.
Jun 26 21:34:12 <vaizki_> I guess that's why Sonos uses a proprietary stack on top of 802.11 instead of standard wifi
Jun 26 21:34:52 <dnil> Very likely, yes
Jun 26 21:34:54 <vaizki_> they probably don't use IP at all
Jun 26 21:35:07 <vaizki_> for control yes but not for media streams
Jun 26 21:35:38 <Roni_> i already search the forums and the web but cant find anything near to my problem. also on my ubuntu pc the webcam is recognized as normal device.
Jun 26 21:35:41 <levi> 802.11 *is* standard wifi.  You mean they don't use standard IP?
Jun 26 21:37:24 <vaizki_> well I don't know what they do, I just use it.. but it's a mesh for one thing and I guess the MAC is completely proprietary
Jun 26 21:37:46 <vaizki_> and it's all AES crypted in hardware afaik
Jun 26 21:38:07 <vaizki_> vendor lock in up the wazoo but hey it works and the wife is happy
Jun 26 21:38:37 <levi> Ah yeah, mesh operation would get around the problems I mentioned, I think.
Jun 26 21:38:48 <fedlap> hi all, i'm using a beaglebone white with rs232 cape and lcd7 attached. now, everytime when data is received the screen flickers. i'm using a 5 volts 2 ampere power supply and checked the 5V and 3.3V with a scope meter and noticed, that the supply voltage flickers with 60 mV at the moment of receiving (may 60 mV cause flicker?). i've already tried to add additional 10nF capacitors to filter the disturbance but with no success.
Jun 26 21:39:19 <fedlap> does anybody have experience with rs232 cape and lcd7 cape?
Jun 26 21:39:27 <jacekowski> 60mV shouldn't be visible at all
Jun 26 21:39:38 <jacekowski> i think it's more to do with interrupt handling or something in that direction
Jun 26 21:40:51 <fedlap> hm....is it possible that interrupt handling is different, when using a lcd3 cape? cause with it i ain't got this issue
Jun 26 21:43:06 <fedlap> jacekowski, do i have a possibility to check, if it's an interrupt problem?
Jun 26 21:43:51 <vaizki_> do you have a LA?
Jun 26 21:44:51 <fedlap> what's LA? i guess i don't have LA :)
Jun 26 21:44:59 <vaizki_> logic analyzer :)
Jun 26 21:45:05 <m_billybob> bradfa oh wow -> mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug/
Jun 26 21:45:14 <m_billybob> bradfa, thanks for the heads up
Jun 26 21:47:21 <vaizki_> hmm does TI sell SPI accessible FRAM?
Jun 26 21:47:28 <fedlap> vaizki, now i'm sure that i don't have a la ;)
Jun 26 21:52:21 <rdsoft> Bonjour a tous, je suis développeur sur plateforme embarquée et je viens de m'acheter une BeagleBoard Black. Je cherche a comprendre comment installer la librairie QT pour linux Angstrom
Jun 26 21:52:31 <rdsoft> quelqu'un aurait deja fait cela ?
Jun 26 21:54:01 <panto> ???, ???? ??? ? ?????????? ????? ??? ????????
Jun 26 21:54:06 <panto> and on that note
Jun 26 21:54:12 <panto> it's time to go, bbt
Jun 26 21:54:18 <m_billybob> nini panto
Jun 26 21:54:28 <panto> nani
Jun 26 21:54:48 <panto> nini is the small (probably female) baby :P
Jun 26 21:54:54 <panto> g'night
Jun 26 21:54:59 <m_billybob> good night :)
Jun 26 21:55:02 <vaizki_> fedlap, LAs are fun.. and take the guessing out of debugging pretty quick
Jun 26 21:55:30 <levi> Also, they are highly expensive!
Jun 26 21:55:33 <fedlap> vaizki, but they are quite expensive :)
Jun 26 21:56:05 <rdsoft> Do someone has already use QT library on BeagleBoard Black and Angstrom Linux ?
Jun 26 21:57:55 <rdsoft30> Nobody is there ?
Jun 26 21:58:10 <vaizki_> fedlap, naah.. there are LAs for all budgets
Jun 26 21:59:39 <vaizki_> like http://dangerousprototypes.com/open-logic-sniffer/
Jun 26 22:12:00 <mranostay> vaizki_: rather nice and good for about 95% of the uses in this channel
Jun 26 22:12:37 <prpplague> indeed
Jun 26 22:13:05 <mranostay> the limited sample size sucks but what you expect over USB?
Jun 26 22:13:37 <m_billybob> ruh row someones been a baaaad boi
Jun 26 22:16:18 <m_billybob> hmm neeto except i wanted to convert my stellaris LP into a logic analyzer
Jun 26 22:20:10 <mranostay> heh why?
Jun 26 22:21:08 <m_billybob> because i can and someone already did it / documented it
Jun 26 22:21:25 <m_billybob> i have a stellaris launchpad that is now obsolete and other wise useless
Jun 26 22:21:49 * mranostay has one in the box still
Jun 26 22:22:38 <m_billybob> georgem, actually I owe you that thanks. thank you for bringing to my attention that /sys/kernel/debug is not always mounted. I've corrected that, and have it workign now :)
Jun 26 22:26:09 <jkroon_> panto, booting with drm.debug=255: http://pastebin.com/4X97iGNi
Jun 26 22:26:27 <m_billybob> he went to bed :/
Jun 26 22:26:55 <jkroon_> panto, and the Xorg log: http://pastebin.com/Y8k1zdM0
Jun 26 22:27:07 <jkroon_> m_billybob, doh. ok
Jun 26 22:27:34 <m_billybob> interresting output
Jun 26 22:39:58 <jkroon_> oh well, see if I can catch him or koen tomorrow. night beagles
Jun 26 22:53:34 <vaizki_> well I have a saleae logic myself which streams samples compressed so I can easily get 100M samples
Jun 26 22:53:46 <vaizki_> re: open bench
Jun 26 23:35:32 <awdang> I'm having problems getting my Edimax 7811Un working with Ubuntu ver. 12 or 13 ARM image
Jun 26 23:36:00 <awdang> can't get the USB wifi to obtain an IP address from the AP
Jun 26 23:36:31 <awdang> I'm not sure what to try next (it seems we've tried every help page that was posted about this device and Ubuntu)
Jun 26 23:38:08 <vaizki_> ok finally I got my head around systemd completely...
Jun 26 23:38:21 <vaizki_> it may be the future but it's not always clear
Jun 27 00:11:17 <mranostay> vaizki_: the future sucks then
Jun 27 00:28:37 <adh88ca> Hi everyone, I'm looking for a bit of help.  I've been trying to boot a new kernel on my bxm but it seems to keep hanging at "Starting kernel..."
Jun 27 00:29:02 <adh88ca> I've tryed rebuilding the kernel, booting from zImage, uImage, dtb....
Jun 27 00:29:04 <adh88ca> and i don't know where to go next
Jun 27 01:48:05 <Chrome> Should I ship the included SD card for RMA?
Jun 27 02:00:48 <emeb> mranostay: did you see the gamma detector in this month's NV?
Jun 27 02:19:32 <mranostay> NV?
Jun 27 02:20:58 <emeb> Nuts & Volts
Jun 27 02:22:11 <emeb> Interesting circuit - basically a reverse-biased PIN diode with a whole lot of gain after it. Whole thing runs on 5V.
Jun 27 02:22:38 <mranostay> emeb: ah yes seen like circuits
Jun 27 02:24:18 <emeb> dunno how well it work on a BBB - all that gain is likely very sensitive to digital noise.
Jun 27 02:25:18 <SpeedEvil> just isolate and decouple and you're done.
Jun 27 02:25:35 <emeb> what could be simpler? :P
Jun 27 02:25:48 <Windex007> Hi, I'm having issues with my BBBK. Whenever I try to flash the eMMC with an appropriate image (known good), it gives out partway through the flashing process with the cpu LED on. This happens with the angstrom, ubuntu, and debian images. I've tried with 2 different SD cards, and I'm powering from a 1A source. What would my next steps be?
Jun 27 02:33:31 <slug> Windex007: can you measure the power supply voltage ?
Jun 27 02:33:47 <slug> Windex007: is that a cheap usb 5V 1A power supply?
Jun 27 02:35:32 <Windex007> It's a 6600mAh supply I got from sparkfun. I can post a link if you'ed like to see it. As well, would it be best to measure off a pin on one of the headers, or should I measure it directly off the supply without the BBBK attatched?
Jun 27 02:38:30 <Windex007> slug, I'm measuring 4.88V directly off the supply
Jun 27 02:46:52 <m_billybob> Windex007, is that a switching power supply ?
Jun 27 02:47:29 <Windex007> m_billybob forgive my ignorance but I'm not sure what you mean by that
Jun 27 02:48:19 <blib> anyone knows if beaglebone black will work with : SDHC/SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 R40 Memory Cards?
Jun 27 02:48:20 <m_billybob> the power supply is it an anolog regulated or switchmode power supply ?
Jun 27 02:50:20 <m_billybob> Windex007, either way 6A is over kill. Gerald has been saying on the forums that switchmode power supplies can cause issues. Have yo utried powering it via USB and see if that works ?
Jun 27 02:51:56 <Windex007> m_billybob I don't know if it's anolog regulated or switchmode. I can try different power supply options (computer usb, wall usb) if you think the power supply is suspect
Jun 27 02:52:17 <m_billybob> its a common suspect
Jun 27 02:52:21 <m_billybob> common cuase too
Jun 27 02:52:25 <m_billybob> cause*
Jun 27 02:53:38 <m_billybob> Windex007 if you have a powered USB 3.0 port try that.
Jun 27 02:54:06 <Windex007> ok, I'm in the process of checking with my laptop USB now.
Jun 27 02:54:26 <Windex007> oh, damn, and it just registered as a USB device... which is sweet... but I'm trying to flash it so that's wierd.
Jun 27 02:54:35 <m_billybob> I run my own bbb off of a USB 3.0 port on my own laptop. I get uptimes of days
Jun 27 02:54:51 <m_billybob> only days because im constantly tinkering lol
Jun 27 02:55:26 <Windex007> I'm pretty choked that this supply isn't going to work for me (It's a 6600mAh lipo pack I bough specifically to use as a UPS)
Jun 27 02:55:47 <m_billybob> hmmm
Jun 27 02:56:27 <m_billybob> You could always ask on the beagelboard google groups and see if there are any known issues, or if someone may know possible issues with it.
Jun 27 02:56:56 <m_billybob> Is that the $130 USD lipo pack ?
Jun 27 02:57:10 <Windex007> thank goodness no
Jun 27 02:57:17 <Windex007> it's this: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11360
Jun 27 02:57:20 <m_billybob> seen someone talkign about one on the groups about a week or two ago
Jun 27 02:59:00 <Windex007> I have another lipo pack that would be less convienient to use that I can maybe make work... its for a quad-rotor heli I was going to build but never got around to
Jun 27 02:59:31 <blib> anyone here got a beaglebone black?
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