**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 27 02:59:58 2013 Jun 27 03:01:49 we all do :) Jun 27 03:03:01 I unfortunately live in the dark ages and happen to only have 3 Jun 27 03:03:13 Windex007, when powered via that, do you have the wal charger plugged in too ? you could always unplug it from the wall to see if that helps. If it does work like that, then you may be getting noise through the charging circuit Jun 27 03:04:42 just browsed through the ds for the charging IC in that didnt see anything to indicate either way. Jun 27 03:05:05 most definately a switch mode charger though Jun 27 03:05:18 Russ: Any idea if I can plug in a SDHC/SDXC Class 10 UHS-1 R40 Memory Cards in it? Jun 27 03:05:42 Russ: where did you buy it from and how much did you pay? (if anything) Jun 27 03:05:42 SD cards have too many attributes, i forget what R40 means, i guess 40mb/s? Jun 27 03:05:58 blib, wait, you mean you just didn't get sent one? Jun 27 03:06:12 i have a class 10 uhs 1 card that works fine Jun 27 03:06:13 m_billybob no, it wasn't plugged into the wall. Are switch modes that bad ones? Jun 27 03:06:26 Russ: No I'm the odd one out here :) Jun 27 03:06:28 mine just showed up Jun 27 03:06:36 Windex007 that what I believe Gerald has been saying on the google groups. Jun 27 03:06:54 cyronin_: lemme check Jun 27 03:07:22 Up to 40MB/s transfer speed Compatible with multiple SDHC/SDXC hardware devices Recommended for DSLR Cameras and Full HD Camcorders Jun 27 03:07:26 Windex007, you can always subscribe to the beagleboard google groups and ask that question. But i think you'll get the same answer im giving you now. Jun 27 03:07:36 you wont get any where near 40MB/s Jun 27 03:07:59 bllib ^^ Jun 27 03:08:16 m_billybob: how much can I expect? Jun 27 03:08:18 m_billybob , ok, good to know. When I use that, I'm plugging it into the USB. Is there any benefit to using the barrel plug? Jun 27 03:08:20 I was hoping to get fast IO Jun 27 03:08:45 how much can I expect in speed? Jun 27 03:08:57 Windex007 yes if yo uhave the proper power supply, again, best to ask on the google groups Jun 27 03:09:15 blib, i have a similar uSD card, and get ~4-5MB/s Jun 27 03:09:18 Windex007, you can only get 1GHz off the barrel plug, 500mA isn't enough Jun 27 03:09:43 m_billybob thank you for your help Jun 27 03:09:46 wow, should we try usb connection instead of plugging it in ? Jun 27 03:09:48 will that help? Jun 27 03:09:58 Windex007 thank russ too and you're welcome :) Jun 27 03:10:24 Russ , thank you... although again my ignorance is probably showing... but GHz? Jun 27 03:10:34 blib what do you need that kind of througput for ? Jun 27 03:10:43 I need to ship files from the 100mbit network Jun 27 03:10:56 blib, you must keep in mind the sd card interface is only 4bits wide Jun 27 03:10:57 the CPU frequency Jun 27 03:11:13 is it better to try to connect it using usb? Jun 27 03:11:40 im unsure of usb speeds, RCN seems to think it is pretty fast, but i have no personal experience Jun 27 03:11:43 Russ , I'll be damned. I didn't realize it throttled. Thank you. Jun 27 03:11:53 usb 2 is 35MB / sec in theory Jun 27 03:12:06 I havent tested yet personally Jun 27 03:12:22 how fast is the onboard 2GB sd? Jun 27 03:12:22 only tested uSD and network file systems Jun 27 03:12:48 theoretically i think ~40MB/s Jun 27 03:12:57 is it replaceble? Jun 27 03:13:01 eMMC interface is 8bits wide Jun 27 03:13:02 I cud just replace that one :) Jun 27 03:13:18 well short answer is no Jun 27 03:13:43 its soldered on, but long answer . . . supposedly its pin compatible with larger versions of the same chip Jun 27 03:14:12 how does the sd card speed compare with the pi -? (for sd cards) Jun 27 03:14:21 no idea Jun 27 03:15:30 uSD read ive usually found to always be lackign no matter what device you use Jun 27 03:15:30 Pi: With latest firmware, 50MHz clock of 4bits data, so 25MB/s maximum. -- There's overhead so you won't reach that, but I've seen 22MB/s. Jun 27 03:15:43 uSD reads / writes ( especialy writes ) Jun 27 03:15:59 5x speed is a difference for sure Jun 27 03:16:29 i have not tested the eMMC yet but it should be much faster Jun 27 03:17:09 reguardless ethernet is limited to ~11.9MB/s and yes the bbb ethernet interface will achieve that speed Jun 27 03:17:28 So seems like the SD Card slot on BB is (4MB/sec) compared to 25MB/sec on Pi? Jun 27 03:17:42 you could look on the google groups Jun 27 03:17:45 so ethernet is shared with SD bus? Jun 27 03:17:50 some peopel have done some testing i think Jun 27 03:17:57 no . . . Jun 27 03:18:13 you were saying somethign about using ethernet and SD card so . . . Jun 27 03:18:19 thanks Jun 27 03:18:49 so ethernet = 11.9MB/sec. BB sd card slot = slow. Pi sd card slot = 25MB/sec. So if I want to buy my own fast SD Card, I'm better off with Pi? Jun 27 03:19:11 depends on what you want to do Jun 27 03:19:18 pi == good for video Jun 27 03:19:26 bbb == good for most everythign else Jun 27 03:19:33 I want to run a server on it, that will exchage files and data with my webserver Jun 27 03:20:11 IO is a crucial part of my problem. For BBB it seems a USB drive is a must need. With Pi, I cud just add a fast SD Card, and I am good to go? What am I missing? Jun 27 03:20:18 im bettting the bbb would be best hands down Jun 27 03:21:04 I could use more space than 2GB. If I could live with 2GB, I believe you. But if I want to add a 16GB SD Card which crawls at 4Mb/sec, why would the bbb be better? Jun 27 03:21:59 I suggest ou do some research Jun 27 03:22:08 you do some research* Jun 27 03:22:23 on sd card speeds? Jun 27 03:22:39 on the differences in rpi / bbb hardware capabilities Jun 27 03:23:41 I know that most of the hardware on bbb is superior. But with slow IO - nothing helps - doesit? If I have to ship a 20 MB file and it takes BBB 4seconds to read ? Jun 27 03:24:00 it may be quite possible you could get better speeds with an external sd card reader on the USB Jun 27 03:24:29 there . .i havent done any testing. Jun 27 03:24:45 but have "read" that the USB on the bbb can be fairly quick Jun 27 03:25:12 I believe you Jun 27 03:25:14 you moight even be able to go with an external hdd if thats an option Jun 27 03:25:19 I think the USB + BBB > Pi Jun 27 03:25:38 id do some reading and maybe question askign on the google groups Jun 27 03:25:41 But if I want to buy good SD Card (16GB say) + BBB < Pi - is what I am finding - unless I am mistaken Jun 27 03:26:46 well i think if throughput is that important you're looking at both of the wrong things Jun 27 03:27:10 ?? Jun 27 03:27:31 in my own humble opinion the bbb is mean to be used as a true embedded device. the rpi is meant for video Jun 27 03:27:38 IF I need to ship 20MB file out of BBB or Pi and want to use SD Card slots (to keep my USB Free for storage) - what am I missing? Jun 27 03:27:47 have yo uheard of odroud ? Jun 27 03:27:51 yes Jun 27 03:27:53 odroid* Jun 27 03:27:56 but my budget does not allow it Jun 27 03:28:03 unless they plan to sell it or $45? do they? Jun 27 03:28:10 well already you're limiting yourself. Jun 27 03:28:27 so soudns like you're looing for something that good enough Jun 27 03:28:56 so these files are you goign to be pullign them form the server onto the bbb or pi ? Jun 27 03:29:03 or the other way ? Jun 27 03:29:10 other way round - but both ways actually Jun 27 03:29:31 writes on SD are going to be super slow on either Jun 27 03:29:47 I'd love to get the U2-odroid thou :) Jun 27 03:29:55 if someone claims their rpi is writtign at 22MB/s ill call BS on that statement Jun 27 03:30:02 I agree Jun 27 03:30:11 it depends Jun 27 03:30:18 no depends. Jun 27 03:30:25 some cards may support it Jun 27 03:30:32 i have a high performance flash stick here that only writes 6MB/s Jun 27 03:30:56 I get 12 on a 8 year old Kingston 1g card Jun 27 03:31:08 on which device ? Jun 27 03:31:15 n900 Jun 27 03:31:34 what's n900? Jun 27 03:31:38 but pi should do the same Jun 27 03:31:47 Nokia n900 Jun 27 03:31:53 u2 doesn't even have a card slot? ! Jun 27 03:31:54 SpeedEvil and what speeds do you get on a bbb ? Jun 27 03:32:04 ah it does emmc Jun 27 03:32:10 I don't have one Jun 27 03:32:33 http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/_Files/prdt/2013/201304/201304151401416334.jpg -- what does 8bit emmc mean in terms of speed? Jun 27 03:32:34 hmm i have a flash card reader and a couple of high speed full sized sd cards Jun 27 03:32:58 blib ive read ~ 40MB/s Jun 27 03:33:07 I have not tested personally *yet* Jun 27 03:33:30 on u2? or on bbb? Jun 27 03:33:39 blib, again though the best person to ask would probably be Gerald Jun 27 03:33:45 on the bbb Jun 27 03:34:29 thanks Jun 27 03:34:39 I wish the U2 was less than $100 Jun 27 03:34:42 i could probably test speeds right now Jun 27 03:34:48 on the bb and uSD card that I have Jun 27 03:35:14 Please do let me know what you get Jun 27 03:35:28 both on the 2GB card and the other card slot Jun 27 03:36:06 no, im not goign ot test the emmc Jun 27 03:36:23 i dotn have enough space on it to proerly test and im not goign ot remove what i have on it for a while Jun 27 03:37:18 no probs. I think I'm happy with the emmc speed reports Jun 27 03:37:39 wel ldont take my word on it double check what i say on the google groups Jun 27 03:38:35 k Jun 27 03:40:16 cant test my sd card atm Jun 27 03:41:35 np Jun 27 03:41:42 thanks for all the help thou :) Jun 27 03:46:05 m_billybob just for the record, I built a usb-A to barrel plug adapter to use with that power supply and it's working well now Jun 27 03:46:13 thanks for helping me to identify it as a power issue Jun 27 03:46:33 so sd flashed good ? Jun 27 03:47:19 good to hear though Jun 27 03:47:20 yep! I'd already flashed it once from a different usb source as per your instructions Jun 27 03:47:46 i gave instructions for that ? lol eithe rway cool :) Jun 27 03:47:51 but after ross indicated there were some functional differences between powering via usb and powering via the plug, I figured I'd give it a shot Jun 27 03:48:32 yeah i did not know that barrel plug adapter made it boot 1Ghz only Jun 27 03:48:57 mine powered via USB boots up at 300Mhz Jun 27 03:49:04 but scales when loaded Jun 27 03:50:30 I wrote a simple test app that loads the CPU at a percentage ... using usleep() though, atleast up to 60% load the processor stays at 300Mhz, but when fully loaded the processor goes to 1Ghz Jun 27 03:52:03 Russ, so when using the barrel jack you dotn get any processor speed scaling ? stuck at 1 Ghz only ? seems liek a shame Jun 27 03:52:41 its all software Jun 27 03:52:48 its its not doing what you want, you can change it Jun 27 03:52:56 I'm not sure what the image is doing, maybe it's selecting a governer Jun 27 03:53:03 no idea where to start with that Jun 27 03:53:14 /sys Jun 27 03:53:27 really ? that simple then eh ? Jun 27 04:08:21 how do i make a secure checkout for a web inteface to an openrov that is armed with a speargun, swimming around a coral reef, so I can charge people for click fishing? Jun 27 04:09:08 nevermind, figured it out Jun 27 04:14:06 heh this card reader i have wont work Jun 27 04:14:18 seems to be USB 1.1 judging by the speeds Jun 27 04:14:54 the sd card in it is capable of 40MB/s writes ( its for my camera Jun 27 04:16:55 I wonder if the Song Rio guy on the ML is a fan of the doctor Jun 27 04:51:46 tried to get this icecast on my beaglebone black Jun 27 04:51:56 winamp keeps saying unable to sync Jun 27 04:51:59 :( Jun 27 04:52:08 time to do some surfing..... Jun 27 04:56:23 OMG, TAKE IT OFF, TAKE IT OFF Jun 27 04:56:27 oops, wrong channel Jun 27 05:05:58 need help... trying to connect CCS via xdsUSB100v2..to begalebone black Jun 27 05:06:42 and provdign all the necessary papremters in CCS, when i conduct a "test connection", it publishes a "Passed" report Jun 27 05:07:15 btu the "connect" button in CCS UI is not enabled and thus I am not able to connect the debugger with the board :( Jun 27 05:16:51 voe: what codec? Jun 27 05:18:18 ogg Jun 27 05:19:23 does winamp support ogg? Jun 27 05:19:29 stock shoutcast is MP3 Jun 27 05:21:03 awe man Jun 27 05:21:21 and mp3 isnt already supported by debian wheezy huh Jun 27 05:23:55 winamp seems to play ogg fine Jun 27 05:27:12 but does it understand that in ogg streams? Jun 27 05:27:17 mp3 is braindead simple Jun 27 05:27:25 ogg has more complexities Jun 27 05:43:18 ogg my balls Jun 27 06:11:05 voe: what is your actual problem? Jun 27 06:11:44 voe: you are aware that your mount point needs to end in .ogg due to broken listener software like winamp not parsing the content-type but relying on 'extension'? Jun 27 06:21:18 * mranostay blames _av500_ for his web art habit now Jun 27 06:21:27 howdy pardners Jun 27 06:23:28 mranostay: :) Jun 27 06:23:43 mranostay: beats the mindless drinking, no? Jun 27 06:24:21 mourning LetoThe2nd Jun 27 06:24:26 mindless? :) Jun 27 06:24:51 mranostay, killing brain cells Jun 27 06:25:00 hi LetoThe2nd Jun 27 06:26:26 ka6sox: damaged neurons totally different Jun 27 06:26:27 why does coffee flavored tequila have sugar in it? grumble slurp slurp Jun 27 06:27:08 mastiff: that sounds horrible Jun 27 06:28:03 it's patron, not bad Jun 27 06:28:19 not good either Jun 27 06:28:36 mastiff, does the w0rm Dance in that bottle? Jun 27 06:28:51 this bottle aint't clear Jun 27 06:29:05 unknown till finished Jun 27 06:29:30 when the worm starts dancing time to call it a night Jun 27 06:29:58 mranostay: walk without rhythm or... Jun 27 06:30:27 not yet, still doing zombie ops Jun 27 06:32:06 woot! Jun 27 06:33:32 koen: add nmap to the angstrom tree please :) Jun 27 06:36:05 why Jun 27 06:36:24 useful tool Jun 27 06:36:59 hci_scan Jun 27 06:38:04 moaning Jun 27 06:38:12 did't mean to type that here was searching. Jun 27 06:38:19 jihading! Jun 27 06:38:31 mourning panto, KotH Jun 27 06:38:38 hi KotH, ka6sox Jun 27 06:38:41 KotH: quiet you Jun 27 06:38:54 mranostay: grab a beer and go to bed! Jun 27 06:38:59 salut panto, ka6sox Jun 27 06:39:17 can't the bedding is drying in the dryer.. Jun 27 06:39:28 you'll be stuck with me for an hour or so Jun 27 06:40:02 did you spill your beer? Jun 27 06:40:18 slow delta T lol Jun 27 06:40:41 bleh...its 33C here at almost midnight... Jun 27 06:40:47 not going to sleep well. Jun 27 06:42:10 ka6sox: as long as it's not 100% humidity Jun 27 06:42:22 KotH, "its a Dry Heat" Jun 27 06:42:30 heh Jun 27 06:42:34 hate that line Jun 27 06:42:37 tomorrow will be 43C, and Friday 48C Jun 27 06:42:52 * KotH had >30°C and 100% in japan, every night, for weeks Jun 27 06:43:33 KotH: they let you in Japan? Jun 27 06:44:38 wtf is 33C Jun 27 06:44:52 hot as hell Jun 27 06:44:55 91 isn't that hot Jun 27 06:45:15 * mranostay can't handle heat Jun 27 06:45:20 ka6sox: u need to spend more nights at Furnace Creek or Bad Water Jun 27 06:45:25 i rather it be cooler than hotter Jun 27 06:46:05 mranostay: u need a business trip to Chandler in the next few weeks ;) Jun 27 06:46:37 yeah have no business in going to a fab.. k thx :) Jun 27 06:46:41 ds2, this isn't HELL but you can see it from here. Jun 27 06:47:41 if I walk 100m north I'll be in North America.... Jun 27 06:48:29 ka6sox: what's ur QTH? Jun 27 06:48:39 ka6sox: you in mexico this week? Jun 27 06:49:49 no....Palm Springs Jun 27 06:50:18 working on a sandpile Jun 27 06:50:21 PS isn't N.Am? Jun 27 06:50:47 u been told to go pound sand? Jun 27 06:50:48 :D Jun 27 06:51:26 boo! Jun 27 06:51:33 go a few miles south and you'll be below sea level. Jun 27 06:51:35 * mranostay throws rocks at ds2 Jun 27 06:51:52 http://goo.gl/maps/pagnp Jun 27 06:52:04 this isn't a shadow on the ground....its our Tower. Jun 27 06:52:09 *on* the ground Jun 27 06:52:42 don't towers not belong on grounds? Jun 27 06:54:07 ds2, they are supposed to be Vertical...this one is Horizontal Jun 27 06:54:36 ka6sox: just tell them they need a different polarization Jun 27 06:54:41 how much slower is doing what u-boot does in terms of mmc reads than doing it the DMA way? Jun 27 06:55:00 Kristina: find out and post on elinux.org? Jun 27 06:55:01 the linux driver is so complicated Jun 27 06:55:11 Kristina, you mean PIO vs DMA? Jun 27 06:55:23 well, whatever uboot does :) Jun 27 06:55:37 when the cpu actually reads stuff off Jun 27 06:55:47 mastiff, forget Wine and Cheese....Wine and Chocolate Jun 27 06:56:09 Beer and Hersheys Jun 27 06:57:02 :'( Jun 27 06:57:10 mranostay, Merlot and Trader Joe's Jun 27 06:57:49 these youtube ads in german are getting a little annoying Jun 27 06:57:58 ja Jun 27 06:58:07 there are ads on youtube ? Jun 27 06:58:29 get adblock Jun 27 06:58:43 adblock edge Jun 27 06:58:43 emeb_mac: hey Jun 27 06:58:51 mrpackethead: hey! Jun 27 06:59:05 Do you by any chance have a component overlay for the BCC? Jun 27 06:59:14 that you can create as a PDF Jun 27 06:59:14 ? Jun 27 06:59:18 to help assembly Jun 27 06:59:20 oh Jun 27 06:59:21 it's a fork from the original, when the guys from the original took money from ad makers and decided some ads were not intrusive ... Jun 27 06:59:35 I used the Photo and the schematic Jun 27 06:59:43 but igs a little hard going for some people Jun 27 06:59:49 mrpackethead: you mean an assembly dwg? Jun 27 06:59:52 yes Jun 27 06:59:55 with refdes? Jun 27 07:00:05 yeah, probalby a good thing Jun 27 07:00:21 I've got one that is getting very hot Jun 27 07:00:29 I've put something on it upside down no doubt. Jun 27 07:00:36 oops Jun 27 07:01:01 emeb_mac: have you thought about a redesign of it yet? Jun 27 07:01:46 mrpackethead: yeah - thought about it. Haven't gotten started on it though. Suggestions? Jun 27 07:01:57 ah, not as yet Jun 27 07:02:01 i'm still very much learning Jun 27 07:02:02 :-) Jun 27 07:02:25 I would loose the SO70 parts though Jun 27 07:02:31 for something a little more DIY Freindly Jun 27 07:02:43 I've got a couple designs I'd like to try on the current one before starting a new one Jun 27 07:02:54 but I know what you mean about those little parts. Jun 27 07:02:55 ka6sox: Would it be really really slow to use in a kernel? Jun 27 07:03:10 PIO is very slow Jun 27 07:03:12 I can hand solder them, Jun 27 07:03:20 but i've done a lot of SMD work Jun 27 07:03:22 probably be easier to solder if the footprint pads were a bit bigger Jun 27 07:03:33 a lot of of folks will struggle with them Jun 27 07:03:37 are those .65mm? Jun 27 07:03:38 ya Jun 27 07:03:42 even though the pitch is the same as the TFQP Jun 27 07:03:49 or in fact wider Jun 27 07:03:52 err - not sure what the pad pitch is Jun 27 07:04:05 they look smaller than .5mm Jun 27 07:04:09 but they probably aren't Jun 27 07:04:13 dunno if those are available in larger pkgs Jun 27 07:04:18 yeah they are Jun 27 07:04:19 :-) Jun 27 07:04:28 ah, cool. Jun 27 07:04:34 * Kristina shrieks at the thought of having to implement the mmc stuff using dma Jun 27 07:04:34 there's plenty of room. Jun 27 07:04:44 mrpackethead, I"d rather do a S6 Jun 27 07:04:46 yes, in deed lots of stuff Jun 27 07:04:50 ka6sox: your the man Jun 27 07:04:51 :-) Jun 27 07:04:56 i'll help you out with it Jun 27 07:05:01 but NOT till after GSoC Jun 27 07:05:09 I should make some sort of a compatiblity layer. Jun 27 07:05:15 yep - S6 for the next one. Jun 27 07:05:19 more I/O Jun 27 07:05:25 more hookups to the BBB Jun 27 07:05:27 I've jsut got my manufacturing in Mayalisa sorted Jun 27 07:05:36 I'm pretty excited about the new capablity Jun 27 07:05:37 including McASP pins Jun 27 07:05:51 emeb_mac, I have a work project with FT256 that I'm going ovenize Jun 27 07:05:59 so I'll find out if its doable Jun 27 07:06:11 no problem now to do proper BGA Jun 27 07:06:13 ka6sox: kewl. If not then it's TQFP144 Jun 27 07:06:18 and xray inspection Jun 27 07:06:20 emeb_mac, ya Jun 27 07:06:27 the FT isn't any more expensive Jun 27 07:06:35 but 4layer for sure Jun 27 07:06:52 but needs tighter design rules Jun 27 07:06:56 mrpackethead, I have a dentist friend Jun 27 07:06:58 can't do @ OSHpark Jun 27 07:07:10 right, no OSHpark Jun 27 07:07:12 a dentist? Jun 27 07:07:24 yes, for X-Ray inspection Jun 27 07:07:25 dentists have xrays Jun 27 07:07:31 lol.. does it work? Jun 27 07:07:37 very well Jun 27 07:07:50 that is cool Jun 27 07:07:55 :P Jun 27 07:08:05 I look scary on an xray. Jun 27 07:08:05 nice lateral thinking Jun 27 07:08:11 very Jun 27 07:08:17 mrpackethead: does your PCB fab support 4/4 rules? Jun 27 07:08:35 the rohs stuff makes it tougher to X-ray Jun 27 07:08:51 I have a jaw plate and a bunch of screws in my skull and they really show up Jun 27 07:09:09 ouch Jun 27 07:09:27 cyborg! Jun 27 07:09:43 well not a place per se, but those flat screws that look like tapeworms on either side of my jaw Jun 27 07:10:16 emeb_mac: not sure, i've only ever gone to 6/6 Jun 27 07:10:36 you'd prob need to be using 1/2 oz copper Jun 27 07:10:42 we need a 4/4 process Jun 27 07:11:00 to get vias inside the BGA pads Jun 27 07:11:35 in between the pads? Jun 27 07:11:41 emeb_mac, for a 1.0 FT256 no vias needed Jun 27 07:11:48 or inide the pads? Jun 27 07:12:15 ka6sox: how you going to bring out pads beyond row2? Jun 27 07:12:31 mrpackethead: vias between pads, not via in pad Jun 27 07:12:47 i was thinking, heres a new technique, i'd not thought of Jun 27 07:12:54 on the middle layers they say Jun 27 07:12:57 I've learned to not mock it untill i understand! Jun 27 07:12:59 but between pads @ 1.0mm pitch requires 4/4 rules Jun 27 07:13:05 yes Jun 27 07:13:29 thats what I read on the xilinx howto for this Jun 27 07:13:41 emeb_mac: if you could add a construction diagram to the docs on your web site, it woudl be grand! Jun 27 07:13:58 mrpackethead: I'll see what I can do Jun 27 07:14:19 ka6sox: linky to the xilinx doc that said this? Jun 27 07:14:22 I wished schematics and files where easily swappable between EAD software Jun 27 07:14:36 emeb_mac, you showed me! /me looks Jun 27 07:15:14 http://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/application_notes/xapp489.pdf Jun 27 07:15:45 this new macbook runs like a cut cat Jun 27 07:16:24 emeb_mac, I see the vias Jun 27 07:16:33 I misread it Jun 27 07:17:03 it looks like 5/5 to me Jun 27 07:17:39 most fab will want better than the process min Jun 27 07:17:42 ka6sox: ya - plenty of vias used in fig 2 Jun 27 07:18:19 I can't connect to my Beagle Bone Black after disable HDMI as "ptargs=quiet drm.debug=7 capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G capemgr.enable_partno=BB-BONE-AUDI-01" .Anybody can help me? Thanks! Jun 27 07:18:58 you disabled eMMC as well Jun 27 07:19:05 guess what happens when you do that Jun 27 07:19:08 sorry, I can't connect to my Beagle Bone Black use VNC after disable HDMI as "ptargs=quiet drm.debug=7 capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN,BB-BONE-EMMC-2G capemgr.enable_partno=BB-BONE-AUDI-01" .Anybody can help me? Thanks! Jun 27 07:19:13 emeb_mac, thats fine if we can get a FAB to do that. Jun 27 07:19:15 koen: you can't connect? Jun 27 07:19:35 ka6sox: this is a spartan 3 or 6? Jun 27 07:19:54 I can't connect use VNC, x11vnc didn't generate "PORT = 5900" Jun 27 07:20:05 or same rules apply? Jun 27 07:20:08 09:18 < koen> you disabled eMMC as well Jun 27 07:20:11 09:19 < koen> guess what happens when you do that Jun 27 07:20:13 mrpackethead, this is the FT256 package Jun 27 07:20:25 theres a Spartan 6 in FT256? Jun 27 07:21:08 ceslab, if you're booting from emmc you've just disabled you root fs Jun 27 07:21:15 looks like we need 5/5 Jun 27 07:21:47 uhm , when I only edit uEnv.txt as "optargs=quiet drm.debug=7 capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI" I still can't can connect to BBB use x11vnc! Jun 27 07:22:21 mrpackethead, LX9,16,26 Jun 27 07:22:24 er 25 Jun 27 07:22:35 > Jun 27 07:22:37 ?? Jun 27 07:23:04 mrpackethead: pm me yer email - I'll send .pdf Jun 27 07:23:30 we have no friggin clue what goes on with your network Jun 27 07:23:50 All networks are "our" networks Jun 27 07:23:52 ceslab, connect via either the usb console or the serial console Jun 27 07:24:02 and get some logs Jun 27 07:24:13 the internet is by definition "all networks" Jun 27 07:24:14 mrpackethead, spartan6 LX sizes 9,16,25 Jun 27 07:24:28 and the internet is owned by humanity Jun 27 07:24:29 the kernel command line is irrelevant to your vnc problems Jun 27 07:24:31 i am part of humanity Jun 27 07:24:33 in FT256 Jun 27 07:24:34 thanks i connect use USB and run "x11vnc -bg -o %HOME/.x11vnc.log.%VNCDISPLAY -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm*/database -display :0" Jun 27 07:24:36 lol. Jun 27 07:28:40 have you guys played around with SPI FRAM chips? any suggestions which vendor to go with? Jun 27 07:33:07 they are not exactly cheap , almost 10 USD for a 256kB/2Mb 8DIP Fujitsu but it would be interesting to try them Jun 27 07:37:59 KotH, about 100kms away its going to be 54C tomorrow Jun 27 07:37:59 o_0 Jun 27 07:37:59 glad I'm not there. Jun 27 07:37:59 furnace? Jun 27 07:37:59 furnace creek Jun 27 07:38:03 ^^' Jun 27 07:38:09 ka6sox's residence is becoming a reflow station? Jun 27 07:38:23 (although at that temperature there isn't anything in the creek) Jun 27 07:38:32 kfoltman, no, I'm out at a site Jun 27 07:38:59 ok, so you've been sent to be reflowed, eh? Jun 27 07:39:09 kfoltman, I think so! Jun 27 07:39:24 whoa Jun 27 07:39:49 ceslab, there was an earlier version of that drm driver that didn't have the audio component Jun 27 07:40:02 and that would allow you to use the audio cape Jun 27 07:40:37 you would need to get it from the 4-13 flasher Jun 27 07:40:56 thanks, ka6sox, i am trying! Jun 27 07:41:58 so get the kernel and firmware/capes dirs Jun 27 07:42:49 kfoltman, why they had to wait till its reflow temps and 100kph winds I do not know.... Jun 27 07:43:55 ka6sox: newer kernels have a non-audio hdmi cape Jun 27 07:44:22 ka6sox: just declare that you're using the mcasp pins on your cape and the non-audio hdmi cape will load Jun 27 07:44:38 koen, thanks...that will be helpful Jun 27 07:45:02 ceslab, that should solve your issue :P Jun 27 07:45:41 koen, I'll let emeb know too..he wanted to do some playing with 5.1 Jun 27 07:46:19 okay folks...nite...maybe a cold shower will help me sleep (too friggin hot) Jun 27 07:57:57 ka6sox-away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XUiJi5153Y this is an interesting param EQ Jun 27 07:58:12 ka6sox-away: you find the schematics on the web Jun 27 08:20:21 ka6sox-away: how hot does the regulator on your BCC cape get? Jun 27 08:20:35 panto, koen, morning. I mentioned a problem regarding the fbdev->modesetting driver switch with my beaglebone+lcd panel. If you have time to look, the boot-log is here: http://pastebin.com/4X97iGNi. Xorg log is here: http://pastebin.com/Y8k1zdM0 Jun 27 08:25:13 jkroon_: what kind of display do you have attached? Jun 27 08:25:21 the i2c timeouts aren't encouraging Jun 27 08:25:47 koen, its an external LCD-panel, I only have the LCD-signals connected Jun 27 08:26:16 koen, no I2C communication in order to get EDID data, or what its called Jun 27 08:26:34 iirc you can fake the EDID Jun 27 08:26:45 panto: do you remember how to embed the EDID into the DT? Jun 27 08:27:00 I think you needs something like that to fake the display connection Jun 27 08:27:31 koen, is the EDID required for the modesetting driver or something ? It used to work until I updated from meta-beagleboard/meta-oe/open-embeddedcore recently Jun 27 08:27:56 At least it worked with git-repos from a couple of weeks ago, with the fbdev driver Jun 27 08:29:10 koen, I see. I think there was a kernel bootargument you could pass, in order to use "standard" EDID data.. Jun 27 08:29:43 cute: http://www.elexs.de/rt100.htm Jun 27 08:30:44 koen, something along the lines of : http://www.elexs.de/rt100.htm Jun 27 08:30:58 oh. scratch that :-) Jun 27 08:32:00 koen, something along the lines of this maybe: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_Mode_Setting#Forcing_modes_and_EDID Jun 27 08:34:10 koen, if I can set it in the dts, that would be even nicer though Jun 27 08:36:56 Can't try the boot arg until I get home from work though :-( Jun 27 08:38:15 back Jun 27 08:38:44 koen, don't remember off hand Jun 27 08:48:47 framebuffer works good with the panel.. its just starting X that fails Jun 27 08:51:55 I would guess that since there's no EDID it tries to set the resolution of X11 and fails Jun 27 08:52:55 ok, there's a fix; goto to /etc/X11/Xorg.conf Jun 27 08:53:11 change the line 'Driver "modesetting"' Jun 27 08:53:25 to 'Driver "fbdev"' Jun 27 08:53:37 you might have to install some extra x11 packages Jun 27 08:54:14 xf86-video-fbdev Jun 27 08:54:28 panto, I think I actually tried this, in a diff. way. I changed back the beaglebone machine.conf file to use "fbdev" instead of "modesetting" Jun 27 08:54:52 then it should work Jun 27 08:54:58 Still I had a similar problem.. Jun 27 08:55:00 Yeah Jun 27 08:55:04 there will be no more mode switches Jun 27 08:55:47 I wonder if we can convince xf86-video-modesetting to leave the mode alone on startup Jun 27 08:56:25 it's not the video driver that's change resolutions Jun 27 08:56:33 it's gdm and gnome desktop Jun 27 08:57:52 for what its worth, im not using gdm or gnome over here... just X and a Gtk3 application that goes into fullscreen Jun 27 08:58:59 hmm. I did switch back to "fbdev", but I dont think I remembered to update xorg.conf :-/ Jun 27 09:00:10 anyway thanks a lot panto, koen, I have a couple of more things to try out now once I get home Jun 27 09:00:34 jkroon_, fbdev does not support mode switching Jun 27 09:00:59 so if you use it, nothing will interfere with the bootup mode Jun 27 09:08:05 panto, ok Jun 27 09:22:51 I connected the beaglebone black to my linux computer using the usb, while doing tail -f /var/log/messages; I was expecting devices to pop up (the beaglebone popped up at least a ttyUSB and a usb0 i.e. usb network device) With the beaglebone black, I get _nothing_. I did download the mkudevrules.sh and chmod +x'ed and executed it. How do I connect to my beaglebone black? Jun 27 09:23:22 the bone uses journald Jun 27 09:23:26 journalctl -a -f Jun 27 09:25:03 panto, do you know which debian package has journalctl? I did apt-cache search journald, but it does not find any packages. How do I get journalctl on my linux computer? Jun 27 09:25:13 err, ignore that Jun 27 09:25:15 it's debian Jun 27 09:26:04 BusMaster, the black is different that the original beaglebone Jun 27 09:26:08 there's no ftdi Jun 27 09:26:13 also reading the wiki makes me believe that a serial device will _not_ pop up for the beaglebone black.. because I need a separate serial-to-usb cable Jun 27 09:26:27 panto, okay, but is there a usb network device? Jun 27 09:26:35 it should be Jun 27 09:27:08 panto, or are you saying there is no way to connect to the beaglebone unless 1) An ethernet cable is plugged in and DHCP works or 2) I have a serial-usb cable? Jun 27 09:27:12 damn, just starting to use svn. it's so slow ... the project isn't even that big ... Jun 27 09:27:19 BusMaster, no I don't say that Jun 27 09:27:26 3.4GB for a bootloader -_- Jun 27 09:27:32 usb serial + a usb network interface should be there Jun 27 09:27:42 have you tried with a different computer? Jun 27 09:28:05 panto, usb serial should be there? That means I don't need a serial-usb cable? Jun 27 09:28:28 you can go by without it Jun 27 09:28:45 but early boot console and u-boot go to the real hardware serial port Jun 27 09:29:25 this software is so retarded ... Jun 27 09:29:27 panto, i have only one computer. This computer worked with the beaglebone.. ( although, I _have_ messed around with it since, I don't think my messing up has caused this. ) Jun 27 09:30:11 panto, so when you connect your black, you immediately see a serial and a usb device pop up? Jun 27 09:30:17 not immediately Jun 27 09:30:22 no Jun 27 09:30:25 only after bootup has completed Jun 27 09:30:36 that's why I said it's different that the original Jun 27 09:30:50 BusMaster: as said, the BBB has no USBserial console Jun 27 09:30:52 no FTDI chip Jun 27 09:31:04 default Ã…ngström on BBB loads usb serial and network gadgets at boot so first you should see a USB "drive" from the BBB, open start.htm there and install the drivers. Then you should see a new COM port on your computer and a new network interface. Jun 27 09:31:05 so you get stuff over USB only when the kernel has started Jun 27 09:31:12 some OS don't need the drivers I think Jun 27 09:31:19 like linux Jun 27 09:31:23 aye Jun 27 09:31:44 av500, i see. Well I think my kernel has started because I blinking blue led's. By my linux host still gets no devices Jun 27 09:32:19 do I need to restart my linux machine after exec'ing mkudevrule.sh? Jun 27 09:32:35 i just plugged out and plugged back in the board after doing ./mkudevrule.sh Jun 27 09:32:59 you should see stuff in dmesg Jun 27 09:33:01 evidence yet again of how usb just sucks in general Jun 27 09:34:20 panto: +1 with respect to my GSoC project Jun 27 09:34:38 av500, alright. do you have any tips for what to do if dmesg shows nothing, but the board has started (based on das blinkenlights) Jun 27 09:34:54 usb2serial :) Jun 27 09:34:55 vvu, now you're getting to know the ugly truth about consumer level crap designed by intel Jun 27 09:35:17 BusMaster: I would have preferred the BBB to still have the FTDI Jun 27 09:35:21 but alas Jun 27 09:35:24 panto: debugging is fun! *NOT* Jun 27 09:36:44 av500, indeed. i loved the beaglebone.. everything 'just worked' so I asked our dept. admin to order the beaglebone in large quantity (I want to use the bone as the hardware for our embedded system courses at uni.). The admin drone saw that the beaglebone black was ½ the price and ordered it instead. *grumble* Jun 27 09:37:24 BusMaster: well, you can order one usb serial cable too Jun 27 09:37:36 its still cheaper then the BBW Jun 27 09:37:53 av500, so out of curiosity, if the hardware itself is missing, how does the ångström kernel create a usb serial device anyway? Jun 27 09:38:01 ? Jun 27 09:38:02 usb gadget Jun 27 09:38:08 yes Jun 27 09:39:00 also Spirilis made a nice pcb design :) Jun 27 09:39:56 is that some kind of virtual usb devices? Jun 27 09:40:26 it makes it show up as a usb-serial device Jun 27 09:40:39 cool Jun 27 09:40:41 and on the bone you also get a tty Jun 27 09:40:55 you just hook up what you need on both sides and are done Jun 27 09:41:06 dm8tbr, both sides? Jun 27 09:41:07 the only thing you don't get is live spiffy boot messages Jun 27 09:41:33 on the bone e.g. a getty and on the PC/laptop e.g. minicom, picoterm or screen Jun 27 09:41:38 hence both sides Jun 27 09:41:41 dm8tbr, ah yes Jun 27 09:41:55 or some sort of software that talks over that serial port on both sides Jun 27 09:42:00 your imagination is the limit Jun 27 09:42:08 dm8tbr, well, right now, I see the BBB booting up, but my linux PC sees no devices at all :( Jun 27 09:42:11 although g_ether is nicer IMO Jun 27 09:42:40 plug in an ethernet cable Jun 27 09:43:59 panto, once I plug it in, will the BBB ask for an address via dhcp? Or does it have a static ip? If dhcp, then I'll have to somehow query my dhcp server to see if it has just allocated a new address, in order to guess what address the BBB has acquired Jun 27 09:44:11 it will ask for an address Jun 27 09:44:18 #$% Jun 27 09:44:26 BusMaster: ssh beaglebone.local Jun 27 09:44:30 works here Jun 27 09:44:37 mdns :) Jun 27 09:44:40 av500, +1 Jun 27 09:44:43 hmm Jun 27 09:45:03 hmmd Jun 27 09:45:09 hmmd --restart Jun 27 09:45:20 rchmmd restart Jun 27 09:46:10 okay, before I do all that, I'm going to try restarting my linux PC and hope that after reboot, usb devices will pop up if I plug in the BBB. This reminds me of windows, grrr Jun 27 09:46:25 if you have nothing in dmesg Jun 27 09:46:29 I dont a reboot will help Jun 27 09:46:56 av500, could something be missing on my linux PC? Some required kernel module or something? Jun 27 09:47:05 usb Jun 27 09:47:10 but I guess you have a mouse Jun 27 09:47:12 ttyACM0 Jun 27 09:47:15 try another port Jun 27 09:47:32 is that cable also powering the BBB? Jun 27 09:47:39 does lsusb show anything? Jun 27 09:47:40 from output of lsmod: usbcore 128498 12 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd,uas,usb_storage,usbnet,uvcvideo,usbhid,bcm5974,btusb,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_usb_audio Jun 27 09:47:50 and nothing in dmesg? Jun 27 09:47:55 av500, yes, that cable is also powering the BBB Jun 27 09:47:57 when you e.g. reboot the BBB Jun 27 09:48:03 at a minimum you shoud see the usb storage Jun 27 09:48:09 connect a mouse or a keyboard to the same usb port Jun 27 09:48:20 and see if there's anything in the log Jun 27 09:48:30 ok. Jun 27 09:51:24 okay, I have two usb ports, one of which has my keyboard+mouse wireless dongle and the other was the one I was plugging the BBB into. I swapped them around. When I plug the BBB into the other usb port, dmesg continues to show nothing. Plugging the wireless keyboard+mouse dongle into the other port immediately makes dmesg show the new kbd+mouse. So it's not the usb ports.. Jun 27 09:52:15 try a different cable? Jun 27 09:52:38 vaizki, okay.. although the existing cable works well enough to at least power up the BBB Jun 27 09:53:42 do you have a microSD inserted? Jun 27 09:54:24 dm8tbr, yeah, I have a microSD inserted. but I believe it is not using that card at all because I read somewhere that in order to boot from the microSD, I need to keep some button pressed during the power-up phase Jun 27 09:54:40 take it out Jun 27 09:54:41 hmm, changing the usb cable does not help either Jun 27 09:54:46 okie.. Jun 27 09:55:23 you have to press the button to get uboot from the SD card but even if you don't press it, the eMMC uboot will try to boot from the uSD first.. I know it's braindead. Jun 27 09:56:33 tl;dr don't put a uSD card in unless you're going to boot from it Jun 27 09:57:39 I got my first BBB last week and only set it up 2 days ago so I've been there ;) Jun 27 09:57:59 *hey*, i removed the microSD card and booted and now I see ttyACM0, some thing called cdc_ether and rndis_host and rndis_wlan and a new usb storage device Jun 27 09:58:16 ok now you're golden Jun 27 09:58:20 vaizki, thanks Jun 27 09:59:06 so this means that I do _not_ need to press down any buttons in order to boot from sd card? i.e. IF there is SD card THEN that will be booted (assuming it's bootable and all that?) Jun 27 09:59:26 no it doesn't mean that Jun 27 09:59:37 BusMaster: no Jun 27 09:59:45 BusMaster: it boots stage 1 from emmc Jun 27 09:59:49 but then sees the sd card Jun 27 09:59:53 its a bug Jun 27 10:00:29 the boot sequence is such that there is a FAT16 partition with uboot on it and uEnv.txt which controls the boot process. if you press the button, this uboot/uEnv.txt will come from the SD card. if you don't it will come from the eMMC. Jun 27 10:00:48 BUT the uEnv.txt on the eMMC is such that it will then try to load your kernel etc from uSD Jun 27 10:01:22 and on top of this BBB won't recognize a uSD card inserted after boot Jun 27 10:02:06 so you're best off using uSD only for flashing a new eMMC or read up on fixing uEnv.txt Jun 27 10:02:35 fix still hasn't made it into a release? Jun 27 10:02:42 so if the uEnv.txt on the eMMC tries to load the kernel etc. from the uSD, isn't it the kernel+filesystem on the uSD that boots up? effectively meaning that the boot has been from the uSD? Jun 27 10:02:53 I've no idea. at least it wasn't on my BBB which arrived last friday Jun 27 10:03:15 BusMaster: by boot we mean 'loads MLO and U-boot' Jun 27 10:03:35 BusMaster: yes, you can have mlo and uboot on the emmc and then continue booting into microsd Jun 27 10:03:54 the button decides where the ROM-BL tries to find MLO Jun 27 10:04:08 BusMaster: in theory yes, in practise it didn't work for me either just like it didn't for you. could be different kernel location or args etc.. didn't look into it Jun 27 10:04:19 okay.. Jun 27 10:04:41 but uEnv.txt is a text file so very easy to change Jun 27 10:04:54 dm8tbr: what is the official fix for this btw? Jun 27 10:05:06 so is there a way to boot from SD card and simultaneously have all the usb devices show up in dmesg? It seems that the presence of the sd card prevented this from happening? Jun 27 10:05:56 BusMaster: it prevented it from booting altogether Jun 27 10:06:01 by keeping the button pressed it should get MLO and uboot from uSD which will then be able to correctly load kernel from there Jun 27 10:06:21 or you fix uenv.txt to load things as you like Jun 27 10:06:35 then you don't have to press the button and the emmc uboot will do it Jun 27 10:06:46 both has been discussed here and should be in the logs Jun 27 10:06:58 dm8tbr, I don't think it prevented it from booting altogether.. because I saw the flashing blue leds.. I'll read up on the uEnv.txt thing Jun 27 10:07:36 dm8tbr, heh, this should be in the site's FAQ.. I didn't even think of checking the irc logs :( Jun 27 10:08:35 yea the faq should say do not put a uSD card if you want to boot into the preloaded Ã…ngström distro Jun 27 10:09:04 so did you get a serial connection to the BBB working now? Jun 27 10:10:24 what is the network interface name? in dmesg, I see 'rndis_host 2-2:1.0: eth1: register 'rndis_host' at usb-0000:00:06.1-2, RNDIS device, c8:a0:30:bb:74:1d' but ifconfig eth1 shows no such device Jun 27 10:10:52 vaizki, yep.. I connect to /dev/ttyACM0 with 115200 8N1 and I get an ångström login screen :) Jun 27 10:11:40 BusMaster: maybe udev renamed it? Jun 27 10:11:43 ifconfig -a Jun 27 10:12:22 dm8tbr, ahh, eth3. Thanks, I did not know of the -a option Jun 27 10:12:36 :) Jun 27 10:13:06 dm8tbr, i assume the usb network will not work since my PC does not have a dns server running. Jun 27 10:13:08 there are some ways to make it have same MAC every time and also make udev calm down and network damager work with it automagically Jun 27 10:13:34 BusMaster: you should be able to talk to the device directly, don't remember if you need to set the IP manually Jun 27 10:15:31 dm8tbr, i see by logging in via the serial iface that the usb0 on the bbb is 192.168.7.2 with a weird netmask 255.255.255.252. I guess if I give my eth3 an ip addr on the same subnet, that should work Jun 27 10:19:03 Intel documentation: stage X of bootloader does this. Intel code: stage Y of bootloader actually did it ... Jun 27 10:19:44 Hello Jun 27 10:19:52 are there any low power 2.4G/433M radios that have kernel support? ot do I just slap there NRF24L01s behind SPI? Jun 27 10:19:56 BusMaster: yes Jun 27 10:20:22 BusMaster: it actually runs a dhcp server on usb0 Jun 27 10:20:43 so you can just run dhcp client on eth3 in your box and it will get an IP Jun 27 10:21:02 i cant access GateOneSSH client Jun 27 10:21:12 makes life easy for windows users who have dhcp running by default on a new interface... Jun 27 10:21:20 after connecting my beaglebone black Jun 27 10:21:58 it said, the page isnt redirecting properly Jun 27 10:22:03 vaizki, neat! I just did sudo dhclient eth3 and that worked Jun 27 10:22:38 yea it's a bit shorter than ifconfig eth3 ... ;) Jun 27 10:24:27 do i need to update the software on the BBB before i can access the GateOneSSH client? Jun 27 10:27:02 Thanks a lot for your help vaizki , av500 , dm8tbr and panto. You saved me a lot of frustration :) Jun 27 10:28:11 hmm Jun 27 10:30:01 :) Jun 27 10:31:37 omg everything in the boot documentation by intel is directly contradicted by the code Jun 27 10:31:46 why even bother making a doc Jun 27 10:35:41 Guest51307, did you set the date? Jun 27 10:36:38 Yes, the date has been set Jun 27 10:36:48 Currently using Ubuntu OS Jun 27 10:36:56 Guest51307, i had the same problem just now.. the 'set date' button of the web interface did not work. so I logged in via the serial console and gave the command date -s "27 Jun 2013 12:34:00" and then the GateOneSSH client worked Jun 27 10:40:26 Going to restart pc, terminal stopped working Jun 27 10:40:28 brb Jun 27 10:41:08 das: you know you're on an ARM centric channel? Jun 27 10:41:45 dm8tbr: ain't I allowed to bitch about my work ? just because I'm on x86 ? you racist Jun 27 10:42:17 I just thought it would have sounded more inplace on #minnowboard ;) Jun 27 10:43:27 ooh that's some nice stuff Jun 27 10:45:00 little pricy though Jun 27 10:47:07 cheaper than a FRI2 though Jun 27 10:51:18 xively has a nice error for me.. Error fetching data for graph. Retrying in 6 hours... Jun 27 10:51:25 great retry period Jun 27 10:52:11 I need to dump pachube-cosm-xively... just not motivated to do graphing myself Jun 27 10:53:22 Still cant access GateOnessh client after setting date Jun 27 10:54:06 Used terminal and typed # date -s "27 JUN 2013 18:54:00" Jun 27 10:55:13 And I can acess 192.168.7.2, but the beaglebone is not connected beacause it asked for th BB's ip Jun 27 10:55:22 at the top of the page Jun 27 10:55:53 do i need to update the latest software image from angstrom? Jun 27 10:56:20 any help would be appreaciated, oh am using BeagleBone Black Jun 27 11:03:05 sorry I don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about Jun 27 11:04:30 MiloIce1234, use the latest image plz Jun 27 11:05:28 will update after updating the latest image Jun 27 11:18:15 Hi, Can I disable HDMI & connect to BBB use X11VNC? I have try but failed! Jun 27 11:18:48 seems like you are not able to Jun 27 11:19:30 Can you expalin more, please? thanks! Jun 27 11:20:19 cxp: well, it's quite simple. you failed at using vnc, hence you are not able to use it. simple as that. Jun 27 11:20:55 if you want something more helpfull, you are advised to provide some information _WHAT_ failed, instead of stating that _something_ failed Jun 27 11:21:20 since Lobs lost my crystal ball, i cannot read other peoples minds anymore Jun 27 11:24:57 ok. I run x11vnc use command "x11vnc -bg -o %HOME/.x11vnc.log.%VNCDISPLAY -auth /var/run/gdm/auth-for-gdm*/database -display :0" and output is "01/01/2000 00:00:31 Expanded logfile to '%HOME/.x11vnc.log.beaglebone:5900' 01/01/2000 00:00:31 Expanded logfile to '/home/root/.x11vnc.log.beaglebone:5900'" and when HDMI is enable output is "01/01/2000 00:00:31 Expanded logfile to '%HOME/.x11vnc.log.beaglebone:5900' 01/01/2000 00:00:31 Expanded Jun 27 11:25:09 "PORT = 5900" Jun 27 11:25:20 why would you first disable HDMI and then use x11vnc? Jun 27 11:25:37 because , I need to run audio cape! Jun 27 11:25:56 no I mean just run vnc-server and forget x11vnc Jun 27 11:26:37 x11vnc is for controlling a X11 session which is associated with a real screen, kbd and mouse (usually) Jun 27 11:26:56 I have tried but I failed install vnc-server on Angstrong! Jun 27 11:27:22 maybe try harder because x11vnc is not the right tool Jun 27 11:27:52 Can you give me the link to install vnc-server on Angstrong, thanks? Jun 27 11:28:05 no, I don't use Ã…ngström myself Jun 27 11:28:40 Oh, thanks for your help! Jun 27 11:29:16 and stop calling it Angstrom, it's Ã…ngström! ;) Jun 27 11:30:50 I know, but I'm too lazy for typing it! lol Jun 27 11:31:43 you should move to a superior country where öäå are all on the keyboard by default Jun 27 11:31:47 cxp: use 10^-10 as a shorthand :) Jun 27 11:32:30 lol, thanks! Jun 27 11:34:43 Hello iam about to buy a developer board for some tinkering Jun 27 11:35:31 i want to ask what are the main advantages of beaglebone black over other boards like cubieboard Jun 27 11:35:32 well hello there, would you like us to hold your hand while you type in the CVV? Jun 27 11:36:05 yes that would be very comforting, you know first time ;) Jun 27 11:36:40 I don't know about cubieboard but I just ordered a cubieboard2 to see what it's all about Jun 27 11:37:16 yes yes thats also the one im looking after Jun 27 11:37:33 both beaglebone and cubie are about the same price Jun 27 11:37:48 which board is suitable is solely defined by your requirements Jun 27 11:37:48 and have very different specs Jun 27 11:38:32 the thing is that i wanna make some projects that involve some stepper motors Jun 27 11:38:48 also maybe a quadrotor Jun 27 11:39:03 well and all the other fun stuff :) Jun 27 11:40:11 well I wouldn't be looking for a linux board to do those things... Jun 27 11:41:20 well yeah at first i was looking into arduino stuff but i also want to do some CV stuff Jun 27 11:41:42 is there something arduino can do that linux boards cant? Jun 27 11:44:16 thedev: what do you want to do with the board? Jun 27 11:45:31 thedev: do you want it to use in a battery powerd application, or do you have mains power available? Jun 27 11:45:48 thedev: how complex are your electronics around the board? Jun 27 11:46:06 having both options would be nice Jun 27 11:46:07 thedev: or do you want to solve everything you can in software and do as little as possible in hardware? Jun 27 11:46:15 EXACTLY Jun 27 11:46:19 ;) Jun 27 11:46:33 then go for a bbb Jun 27 11:46:38 Im it student Jun 27 11:46:47 more than enough pins for (nearly) everything Jun 27 11:47:10 but keep in mind that a bbb uses quite a bit of power, compared to an arduino Jun 27 11:47:38 but you have more cpu power than you need :) Jun 27 11:47:48 but im not only choosing between arduino and the bbb i was also considering cubieboard which is much more powerful it seems Jun 27 11:47:59 yes, but has less io pins Jun 27 11:48:06 or cubieboard doesnt really go well in battery powered projects Jun 27 11:48:10 ohh Jun 27 11:48:18 yeah thats one of my main criterias Jun 27 11:48:22 the cubie is meant for "pc replacement" kind of stuff Jun 27 11:48:33 just have a look at the specs of the different boards Jun 27 11:48:36 but i supposed that both have enough pins for what i need Jun 27 11:49:51 well i ended up here because i was watching too many specs of different boards, for such noob as i am in this thing the specs dont tell that much Jun 27 11:50:18 i think, for your stuff, the main advantage of the bbb is that has an industrial/automotive kind of uP, whith lost of build in peripherals (PWM, ADC,...), including the magic PRU that can create pink ponies who fart rainbows from thin air! Jun 27 11:50:36 oh.. you want to learn how to read specs Jun 27 11:50:43 nobody can do that work for you Jun 27 11:51:00 only you know what you want to do, only you can check whether board XY fits your needs Jun 27 11:52:11 its not like i already know what im going to make Jun 27 11:52:23 i just want to have something to tinker with Jun 27 11:52:31 its my first dev board Jun 27 11:52:40 except for having friends arduino for a while Jun 27 11:52:52 which i used only for some simple lcd screen operations Jun 27 11:53:12 then maybe it's better first to start with an arduino board Jun 27 11:53:19 these are a lot easier to understand Jun 27 11:53:40 with a bbb or cubie you will need to master linux to get even simple things working Jun 27 11:54:04 thats kind of the beauty of those linux boards Jun 27 11:54:24 i would probably go with rasp pi if i wanted it to be easy :) Jun 27 11:55:00 the rpi is a very bad fit for anyone who wants to do something else than showing video Jun 27 11:57:13 well i suppose these questions that i ask are too abstract Jun 27 11:57:26 s/abstract/vague/ Jun 27 11:57:30 one thing that would make it clearer for me Jun 27 11:58:22 generaly speaking what things you can do with bbb that you cant with cubie or arduino Jun 27 12:00:17 a lot! Jun 27 12:01:05 you have more peripherals than the cubie and possibly any arduino. you have a few magnitudes more cpu power than any arduino. Jun 27 12:01:17 but i think the most distinguishing feature of the bbb is the PRU Jun 27 12:01:30 with the PRU you can do EVERYTHING and MORE! Jun 27 12:02:10 i'm just getting started with my beagleboard XM and i just installed gcc using the "opkg install task-native-sdk". now i am trying to compile a c code and it is telling me it cannot find a certain -lgcc_s library. what else do i need to do? Jun 27 12:03:37 smeagol: do what everyone does: crosscompile on your PC instead of trying to compile on the xm Jun 27 12:05:12 KotH, I compile native :) Jun 27 12:05:32 bradfa: i always knew that you were insane! ;-) Jun 27 12:05:50 he's mostly just blurry Jun 27 12:06:15 bradfa: or are you of the http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/167 kind ? Jun 27 12:06:33 KotH, oh yea Jun 27 12:06:41 Koth WHAT THE HELL IS PRU? :D Jun 27 12:06:52 thedev: http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone/blog/2013/05/22/bbb--working-with-the-pru-icssprussv2 Jun 27 12:07:32 thedev: programmable realtime unit Jun 27 12:07:42 WOWOWOWO Jun 27 12:07:46 REALTIME Jun 27 12:07:52 thedev: think of it as two small, 200MHz clocked uC's on the BBB Jun 27 12:07:53 like arduino?! Jun 27 12:08:00 yes Jun 27 12:08:01 contain your excitement youg man Jun 27 12:08:03 2 arduionos Jun 27 12:08:08 woot im sorry, raging boner Jun 27 12:08:13 question answered thank you Jun 27 12:08:18 2 200MHz arduinos Jun 27 12:08:21 nerdgasm Jun 27 12:08:26 REAL TIME! Jun 27 12:08:28 good thing, this is channel is marked as NSFW Jun 27 12:08:46 what is unreal time? Jun 27 12:08:47 KotH: work? what work? no work for trolls Jun 27 12:08:59 because thats the thing, if i wanna make stuff like quadcopter i need the real time Jun 27 12:09:11 thedev: use http://elinux.org/ECE497_BeagleBone_PRU as a starting place Jun 27 12:09:35 yes, making a quadcopter really takes time Jun 27 12:09:35 i was hoping to walk around that with some fancy programming, but now its all much simpler Jun 27 12:09:49 * panto sprays and teargasses the channel Jun 27 12:09:53 so what's up? Jun 27 12:10:06 panto: hey this is not greece Jun 27 12:10:09 thank you brothers Jun 27 12:10:12 go spray turkey Jun 27 12:10:13 av500: do you know "Time" from electronic light orchestra? Jun 27 12:10:33 av500: or rather its prologue Jun 27 12:11:40 now I do Jun 27 12:12:29 av500: for maximum weirdness, watch the daicon iv opening video :) Jun 27 12:14:10 daicon the air condition? Jun 27 12:16:42 no, daicon the horseradish Jun 27 12:19:22 ah, japanese Biene Maja Jun 27 12:22:47 we're going to Baja? Jun 27 12:23:03 is that what is in wasabi? Jun 27 12:23:34 only on the west coast Jun 27 12:23:43 av500: nah, that would be czech biene maja Jun 27 12:25:29 dm8tbr: you mean, like a wasabiene? Jun 27 12:25:43 lol Jun 27 12:26:04 * dm8tbr now has the mental picture of a crazy green karel gott singing... Jun 27 12:26:11 \o/ Jun 27 12:26:14 being metal? Jun 27 12:26:35 a crazy green karel metal god. Jun 27 12:26:39 lol Jun 27 12:26:52 that could be an interesting rendition of that song Jun 27 12:27:10 dm8tbr: you know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_God Jun 27 12:27:52 ah Jun 27 12:28:40 dm8tbr: i guess that willi is also breaking the law... Jun 27 12:29:42 now I have another song 'willie, use a billie, billiebooooy'... Jun 27 12:30:09 nothing beats 90's euro-dance, not even trans-uranium-heavy-metal ;) Jun 27 12:30:22 dm8tbr: typical. i'm talking some serious metal music and you are making fun of everything :-((((( Jun 27 12:30:34 serious my ass Jun 27 12:30:48 av500: or was it serial? Jun 27 12:31:01 was it not many amps in parallel Jun 27 12:31:07 dm8tbr: btw, you were close Jun 27 12:31:10 in a way Jun 27 12:31:21 av500: parallel metal music? Jun 27 12:31:28 "PMM" Jun 27 12:31:35 av500: well it looked remarkably close. was it the clone of a west german design that I found? Jun 27 12:31:51 not sure if clone Jun 27 12:32:03 as said that setup is kinda typical Jun 27 12:32:10 the Siemens tubes made me go 'wait wat?' but then they could have been replaced Jun 27 12:32:12 * bradfa loves sales people Jun 27 12:32:12 yes Jun 27 12:32:26 dm8tbr: yes Jun 27 12:32:29 av500: but even the slitted front-back-plate was looking identical Jun 27 12:32:33 for fun, I have RSD tubes inside :) Jun 27 12:32:40 lol Jun 27 12:32:43 which are RTF imports Jun 27 12:33:11 east germany in the preamp, west in the power stage Jun 27 12:33:34 dm8tbr: yes, slitted is the key Jun 27 12:33:59 somebody butchered it good Jun 27 12:34:17 just tried it, almost no way to get an undistorted sound out of it Jun 27 12:34:24 LetoThe2nd would like it Jun 27 12:34:40 hrhr Jun 27 12:34:49 in one word: do not use tube amp. Jun 27 12:35:01 one word: go away Jun 27 12:35:09 that's two words, actually. Jun 27 12:35:21 beats your five :) Jun 27 12:35:42 meh. don't destroy my illusions. Jun 27 12:36:17 sounds like an album title: destroy my illusions Jun 27 12:38:05 long time abuse by GNR Jun 27 12:50:21 Intel source packager : "I better make all those C source files and headers executable, just in case" Jun 27 12:51:18 I don't always execute my source files, but when I do, then on an Intel CPU!' Jun 27 12:52:00 dm8tbr, +1 Jun 27 12:52:14 das: are you sure it's that and not because an SMB share is better than using git? Jun 27 12:52:25 that's what TI did for a lot of things Jun 27 12:52:56 hum, I dunno. not all files are executable though Jun 27 12:53:28 koen: I guess it's delusional to hope they used a versioned filesystem on the server side? Jun 27 12:53:40 koen: CIFS all the things! Jun 27 12:53:49 here they use SVN Jun 27 12:53:50 dm8tbr, a bat file tar zips everything counts? Jun 27 12:53:55 s/tar/that/g Jun 27 12:54:13 I now have 2 reasons for hating old people: I pay their retirements, and they make me use SVN instead of git Jun 27 12:54:47 if they'd be really old it would be RCS Jun 27 12:55:25 das, any idea of how many people in the channel are about their age? Jun 27 12:56:12 no, but it's alright; you guys are cool Jun 27 12:56:16 :) Jun 27 12:58:17 dm8tbr: it's TI india we're talking about Jun 27 12:58:51 sir, the best of the best, sir Jun 27 13:00:32 heh Jun 27 13:00:57 dm8tbr: the MIB - Men In Bangalore? Jun 27 13:00:58 message from fiancee in berlin: "drinking club mate now, still not wild about it" Jun 27 13:01:39 LetoThe2nd: ROTFL, YMMD! Jun 27 13:01:54 dm8tbr: \o/ Jun 27 13:02:08 koen: tastes like dissolved cigarette butts, yeah. Jun 27 13:02:24 koen: their marketing slogan is 'Man gewoehnt sich dran!' Jun 27 13:02:29 'you get used to it' Jun 27 13:03:14 dm8tbr: thats what i always tell people about single malt. Jun 27 13:05:39 LetoThe2nd: tell me about it *lookslonginglyatthebottleofhighlandpark12yospecialreserve* Jun 27 13:06:00 dm8tbr: "you get used to it" Jun 27 13:06:24 indeed you do Jun 27 13:07:17 dm8tbr: see your g+ Jun 27 13:07:47 wasn't that the bachelor party? Jun 27 13:08:14 dm8tbr: yeah. talking about single matl :) Jun 27 13:08:29 hehe Jun 27 13:10:43 dm8tbr: you as an ham radio should know this: is an magnetron an inductive or a capacitive load? Jun 27 13:11:04 geeze Jun 27 13:11:43 no, i had duck for lunch, not geese Jun 27 13:11:58 does that even take ~? Jun 27 13:12:12 ~ ? Jun 27 13:12:20 what do you mean? Jun 27 13:12:57 AC Jun 27 13:13:15 AFAIU a magnetron takes DC or pulsed DC Jun 27 13:13:26 yes Jun 27 13:13:35 but is it an inductive or capacitive load? Jun 27 13:14:25 i need to break the power supply of an magentron using a relais, but 28V 15A relais are only available in DC1, which means no inductive load Jun 27 13:14:53 so, i need to figure out whether a relais is ok to use or whether i have to look for a different solution Jun 27 13:16:37 You mean the filliment? Jun 27 13:16:47 That's basically a resistor Jun 27 13:16:59 nope, not the fillament alone, the whole magnetron Jun 27 13:17:14 A magnetron will not operate on 28V. Jun 27 13:17:29 There is some other driver circuit that you have to consider. Jun 27 13:17:52 yes, the HV generator is a resistive/capacitive load Jun 27 13:17:56 no worries there Jun 27 13:18:06 The filliment is a resistor. Jun 27 13:18:23 The HT side is a (low value) capacitor Jun 27 13:18:33 But is basically a negative resistance. Jun 27 13:21:13 hmm... Jun 27 13:21:21 * KotH needs more understanding how these things work Jun 27 13:21:34 they make food warm Jun 27 13:21:39 what is there to understand Jun 27 13:21:48 eek food in, warm eek food out Jun 27 13:22:01 actually, this one is meant to heat up living horses Jun 27 13:22:18 dead horses I could understand Jun 27 13:22:23 and if possible, the horses should be still alive after treatment Jun 27 13:22:24 the döner places do that Jun 27 13:22:58 details Jun 27 13:23:05 i cannot Jun 27 13:23:07 koen: you know how to properly tap? Jun 27 13:37:56 av500: not really, this is the first time it failed Jun 27 13:40:01 koen: but you know the "half turn in, quarter turn back" thing? Jun 27 13:40:08 yes Jun 27 13:40:09 to break the shavings Jun 27 13:40:09 did that Jun 27 13:40:11 ok Jun 27 13:40:20 cutting oil next time Jun 27 13:40:48 indeed Jun 27 13:41:10 after I figure out where I can put this piece safely with only one hole tapped Jun 27 13:41:24 ah using a tap, fun Jun 27 13:41:50 koen: drill a little hole inside for an m4 :) Jun 27 13:41:56 and find a tap that can tap a tap Jun 27 13:42:40 I don't think I have an hard enough bit for the drill press to do that safely Jun 27 13:42:56 :) Jun 27 13:43:21 there are left hand drill bits for such things Jun 27 13:43:47 if I had a spare piece of makerslide I'd try that Jun 27 13:44:04 but I think I'm going to use this part for the X axis: http://wiki.amberspyglass.co.uk/index.php?title=EShapeOko_Assembly_Instructions#9b._Dual_X_rail Jun 27 13:44:27 that should still be rigid with one bolt less Jun 27 13:45:19 koen: or glue/hammer a nut inside one of the 4 spaces Jun 27 13:45:22 and drill a new hole Jun 27 13:46:06 or glue a piece of stock in there and tap an m3/4 Jun 27 13:46:52 I might have a 3 pronged chuck narrow enough to try to extract the tap Jun 27 13:47:05 but first: lunch Jun 27 13:54:17 mru: nice internet speeds Jun 27 14:04:29 mranostay, that's about what I get at home Jun 27 14:08:02 thirld world countries dont count Jun 27 14:11:41 finally we can run Linux on Minix: http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/06/27/minix-mini-hd-pc-based-on-intel-atom-d2550-sells-for-119/ Jun 27 14:19:37 bradfa: do you have anything this century? Jun 27 14:19:58 mranostay, um... my daughter was born this century :) Jun 27 14:20:03 does that count? Jun 27 14:20:17 bradfa: and you raise her in a museum? Jun 27 14:20:25 av500, yep! Jun 27 14:20:32 she has a 1st gen iPad Jun 27 14:20:39 you are so cruel Jun 27 14:20:45 calling child support Jun 27 14:20:51 does CPS know about this? Jun 27 14:20:53 * bradfa runs from child protective services! Jun 27 14:23:55 mranostay, av500, but don't worry, in a week I move into the new house and we'll be stepping up to 3/1 Mb/s internets service! Jun 27 14:24:17 and getting a new lawn mower Jun 27 14:24:26 so, that'll be something else I have from this century! Jun 27 14:24:27 just two months ago, I got upgraded to optic fiber, 200/50 Mbit/s at home :) Jun 27 14:24:47 kos_tom, we have non-optic non-fibers around here Jun 27 14:25:07 and we have a lot of old people who probably still pay for AOL Jun 27 14:27:00 .o0(the september that never ended) Jun 27 14:57:32 ugh...already 32....heading to 45 Jun 27 14:59:36 koen, I've broken more taps in Aluminum than Steel or any other material Jun 27 15:01:26 So, Snowball / Iglo community closes ? Jun 27 15:02:04 yes Jun 27 15:02:50 * teralaser wonders how come he got an email about the remaining boards Jun 27 15:02:56 it wss never much of a community Jun 27 15:03:02 was* Jun 27 15:03:19 from CALAO Systems Jun 27 15:03:23 I put mine on "the pile"(tm) a long time ago Jun 27 15:04:12 av500, is that the home for unwanted/neglected/dead development boards? Jun 27 15:04:21 yes Jun 27 15:04:28 I have to cut down my EVM pile too Jun 27 15:04:47 TI EVMs reaching 10ys back Jun 27 15:05:11 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/90 Jun 27 15:05:25 yes Jun 27 15:05:52 most of us drink alone Jun 27 15:05:58 in the basement Jun 27 15:06:21 I could make a giant wall ormament out of EVMs Jun 27 15:06:23 as long as you don't mutter to yourselves Jun 27 15:06:52 ka6sox-nocoffee: nobody else than me to mutter to Jun 27 15:07:06 and I'm a good listener Jun 27 15:07:08 mutter mutter Jun 27 15:07:11 the kids have learned to scatter when you are in that mood? Jun 27 15:07:40 they better Jun 27 15:07:44 emeb, I envoked http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/90 Jun 27 15:07:52 * panto has a hunch that the vm memory allocator is wonky in the mainline Jun 27 15:07:59 Snowball/Iglo died... Jun 27 15:08:09 failing to allocate 20K... for modules Jun 27 15:08:09 "Hi, I'm Eric and I have a problem" Jun 27 15:08:21 panto, when was it NOT wonky? Jun 27 15:08:30 2.4? Jun 27 15:08:38 panto, +1 Jun 27 15:09:11 emeb, "Hi Eric" Jun 27 15:09:14 ka6sox-nocoffee: I'm so bad that I design & build my own develpment systems. Jun 27 15:09:38 and I can't spell "development" Jun 27 15:09:56 emeb, I dunno why but I'm looking forward to trying to fry some FT parts.... Jun 27 15:10:03 is there a self help group for that? Jun 27 15:10:24 I'm going to burn this SAKURA board Jun 27 15:10:27 You're "BGA-curious" Jun 27 15:10:59 nobody told me "it'll never work....." Jun 27 15:11:06 just that you have to do it right Jun 27 15:11:41 av500 just put a hello kitty doll on top of it Jun 27 15:12:01 ka6sox-nocoffee: I guy over on ##stm32 did a BGA in his home lab, but he used a straight-up reflow oven. Jun 27 15:12:09 s/I/A/ Jun 27 15:12:27 Spirilis, his kid would cry Jun 27 15:12:40 emeb, yes, thats what I'm being told Jun 27 15:12:49 some people are using frying pans Jun 27 15:12:56 seems fraught Jun 27 15:13:05 ya Jun 27 15:13:54 already 31C Jun 27 15:14:02 no bike ride for me today! Jun 27 15:15:26 ka6sox-nocoffee: btw, updated my git repo for diptrace crap, turns out I royally mislabeled the eMMC pins in my schematic component. new revision coming up for that LP cape woowoo Jun 27 15:15:43 Spirilis, thanks! Jun 27 15:15:58 I probably made that component at either: 1. 11PM or 2. high on 3 cups of espresso Jun 27 15:16:01 lol Jun 27 15:16:09 ewww Jun 27 15:16:16 neither one is a good idea Jun 27 15:16:20 yeah Jun 27 15:21:11 ka6sox: nocoffee? what you working at a mormon church or something? :) Jun 27 15:23:38 yeah Intel, please do not comment the beginning of the file to roughly explain what's it used for but instead place comments like "function prototype declarations" Jun 27 15:24:16 they're being "helpful" Jun 27 15:24:18 how long have these guys been doing SW again ? Jun 27 15:24:24 * mranostay hides Jun 27 15:24:34 GET HIM!!! Jun 27 15:24:34 das: can you please rant in #minnowboard Jun 27 15:24:58 emeb: we know where he lives Jun 27 15:25:15 Yep - cyberstalking FTW. Jun 27 15:25:45 is this a strictly TI-rant channel ? I can do that too :D Jun 27 15:25:46 * emeb makes note not to post pictures out the window. Jun 27 15:26:54 you know where mranostay lives because you google street view stalked him ? Jun 27 15:27:29 * emeb walks away whistling. Jun 27 15:32:09 emeb: you'll have to guess which floor though Jun 27 15:32:50 mru: welcome 1995 ISDN guy Jun 27 15:32:51 mranostay: we all watched CSI :) Jun 27 15:33:49 mranostay: Just look for the cat in the window. Jun 27 15:34:09 ka6sox: if you go bga, do your self a favor and get those with lead Jun 27 15:34:15 ka6sox: they are far easier to solder Jun 27 15:38:07 KotH, ya, thats what I heard Jun 27 15:38:24 mranostay, no, its "TOO DAMNED HOT" to have coffee... Jun 27 15:38:40 ka6sox: but if you don't use ROHS then you can't take it tu EU!!!11!1! Jun 27 15:38:49 emeb: wrong Jun 27 15:39:02 emeb: you cannot sell it as consumer product Jun 27 15:39:11 KotH: I know - forgot my irony tag. :) Jun 27 15:39:37 * KotH hands emeb a couple of spare irony tags from mranostay Jun 27 15:39:40 he doesnt use them anyways Jun 27 15:39:56 * emeb has sold non-ROHS products to EU customers. Non consumer of course. Jun 27 15:40:58 KotH, you *are* a developer/business right? so I don't have to care? Jun 27 15:41:16 ka6sox: depends on what you are selling :) Jun 27 15:42:16 ka6sox: most experimenter boards in the eu are RoHS nowadays, because people tend to put them into other contraptions and sell them to mere mortals Jun 27 15:43:03 KotH, since I'm likely to sell obscure bits of protoplasmic fabric I doubt that "mere mortals" would care about this. Jun 27 15:44:02 * KotH wouldnt be so sure about that Jun 27 15:44:14 * KotH has seen many things in the past years Jun 27 15:44:22 * emeb dawdles & wastes time. hard to get started on a documentation-writing day... Jun 27 15:47:49 emeb: try http://boards.4chan.org/b/ Jun 27 15:47:56 good waste of time Jun 27 15:48:08 might get you fired too! Jun 27 15:48:19 do not click that! Jun 27 15:48:37 no such thing as NSFW for someone who works from home. Jun 27 15:48:46 but still - ewww. Jun 27 15:48:53 emeb: VPN'ed in? Jun 27 15:49:11 mranostay: nah - independent contractor. Jun 27 15:49:12 emeb: it's /b/... were all the crap of the internet meets Jun 27 15:49:14 reddit/r/fiftyfifty (50% NSFW) Jun 27 15:56:43 strange - none of the t.co links on twitter are working today Jun 27 15:57:26 well this is bad start to the day "INFO: task ls:31441 blocked for more than 120 seconds" Jun 27 15:57:41 no directory listings for you! Jun 27 16:26:56 <_av500_> and no pudding Jun 27 16:32:56 no pudding? now I'm sad. Jun 27 16:34:23 <_av500_> rant alarm: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101327154101389327284/posts/7xM2KH3adwj Jun 27 16:35:59 because everyone knows that submitting patches to mainline is as easy as falling off a log, right? Jun 27 16:36:45 av500, oh boy Jun 27 16:36:49 where to begin... Jun 27 16:37:15 get over there and let 'im have it. :) Jun 27 16:38:39 Submitting patches is. Jun 27 16:39:59 but having them accepted... Jun 27 16:40:04 Can anyone point to any small ARM device that is completely mainline functional? Jun 27 16:41:25 does it even make sense to clutter up mainline with tons of board-specific details? Jun 27 16:42:16 That too. Jun 27 16:42:49 You're never going to want to boot a beaglebone kernel on a nokia N4. Jun 27 16:43:02 Even though in theory such a feat may be possible Jun 27 16:43:05 ^google N4 Jun 27 16:43:27 Well - want to - maybe - but the level of complexity required would be insane. Jun 27 17:19:47 probably old news here but... Jun 27 17:20:02 got an email from Jameco with BBB as the topic. Jun 27 17:20:12 June 25th Jun 27 17:22:59 Anyone can give advice about SPI on BBB? Jun 27 17:23:57 relup: please read /topic Jun 27 17:25:51 can you point me to the topic? yeah I know n00b ;-) Jun 27 17:26:09 Topic: http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient Jun 27 17:26:20 it typically prints when you join the channel. Jun 27 17:26:33 you can print it by typing "/topic" at the beginning of the line. Jun 27 17:28:58 I have a few raspberry pis and there is trouble with the sd cards currupting. Was thinking of BBB. Any problems with the flash memory? Jun 27 17:33:07 heh Jun 27 17:33:09 Daddyfix, don't exceed the write / erase limit and there's no issue with the eMMC on the black Jun 27 17:33:17 just like all other flash Jun 27 17:36:16 So does that mean the Flash memory is pretty stable? Jun 27 17:39:09 bradfa: i bet you love CompactFlash cards too Jun 27 17:39:23 mranostay, boy do I! Jun 27 17:39:40 Daddyfix, the eMMC on the black is quite good compared to cheap SD cards Jun 27 17:40:15 Daddyfix, if you're having issues with SD cards and buying high quality ones doesn't fix it, going to a different board won't help much, it's the way you write to the card that matters Jun 27 17:40:20 and how much you write Jun 27 17:40:24 Ok. thanks Bradfa. Thats good to know cause the SD Cards in the RPi are flakey! Jun 27 17:40:43 Daddyfix, what issues are you seeing and what cards are you seeing it on? Jun 27 17:40:49 Ok. Thanks bradba. I understand. Jun 27 17:41:03 Also, are you familiar with Ubuntu on BBB? Jun 27 17:41:05 mranostay, IDE is a great parallel interface! Jun 27 17:41:12 Daddyfix, sure Jun 27 17:41:50 I have USB Ext HDD now. but the cards are still burning out one just one of my Pis. Jun 27 17:42:32 Anyways do you klnow if Torrent Clients, UPnP Media Servers and Samba is on the pkg list? Jun 27 17:43:07 Im used to transmission, minidlna, samba Jun 27 17:43:11 Daddyfix, for Ubuntu you shouldn't have any problem finding packages Jun 27 17:43:14 it's real ubuntu Jun 27 17:43:42 Daddyfix, if you're running torrent clients on an SD card you will possibly see very high write counts, that's not the best for flash life Jun 27 17:43:43 Oh wow. ok. great. thanks bradfa.. I think Im gonna order on here in Northern ontario canada Jun 27 17:44:51 Yeah. i understand that. but i am just using the Torrent client daemon on the card. So I guess the DB file has quite a bit of access on it. Jun 27 17:45:03 Hmmm. you definately made me think... thanks Jun 27 17:45:25 I wonder if I can install the client on the Ext HDD? Jun 27 17:46:23 Daddyfix, I don't see why not Jun 27 17:47:40 Hmmm. researching now.. perhaps thats what causeing the prob. But I have been haveing now probs on most of the devices Jun 27 17:49:25 Daddyfix, limit writes on flash if you want to make it last longer, and buy decent quality flash Jun 27 17:49:35 a good choice is Samsung Plus series cards Jun 27 17:51:08 bradfa. Ok.. what about Sandisk Sd or Kingston SD Class 10(what I use now) Jun 27 17:51:18 Daddyfix, avoid Kingston Jun 27 17:51:39 Daddyfix, the SanDisk Ultra Mobile cards are good, at least the 4 and 8 GB ones that I've tested Jun 27 17:51:42 Hmmm... Ok... That makes sense. Its been those ones that crash Jun 27 17:51:57 SanDisk Ultra (notice no Mobile) should be avoided due to lower performance Jun 27 17:52:28 Ok. wow. thanks a million. Im gonna purchase better cards and see what happens Jun 27 17:53:17 Bradfa. I think im gonna get a BBB and play around with it. Compare it with the RPi Jun 27 17:53:25 Daddyfix, enjoy :) Jun 27 17:53:37 Do you know a good play to purchase online in Canada? Jun 27 17:53:59 Daddyfix, sorry, I'm in USA Jun 27 17:54:21 Ok.. Angain, thanks a ton! Jun 27 17:54:24 again Jun 27 17:56:41 bradfa: 1980's US Jun 27 17:56:54 are the soviets still scarey? Jun 27 17:56:55 mranostay, best decade by far! Jun 27 17:57:08 mranostay, shhhh! don't let them hear you! Jun 27 17:57:28 I'm still calculating on the wopr prpplague gave me! Jun 27 17:57:41 hehe Jun 27 18:04:35 bradfa: what i love about this channel you make one mistake and you'll hear it forever Jun 27 18:04:59 mranostay, I do not make mistakes, you know, like talking about drinking... Jun 27 18:05:40 boo Jun 27 18:05:53 hmm so rms is a 'hall of famer' now? Jun 27 18:06:44 I read that as "hall of farmer" Jun 27 18:07:05 maybe they got confused by the hurd? Jun 27 18:08:49 bradfa: bird farmer Jun 27 18:11:18 mranostay, but birds can't turn on microwaves Jun 27 18:11:18 koen, panto, about my monitor that isn't using an i2c connection for EDID data; passing "drm_kms_helper.edid_firmware=edid/1024x768.bin" didn't do the trick :-/ Jun 27 18:11:39 only pythons can do that Jun 27 18:11:50 use different resolutions Jun 27 18:11:57 * bradfa gives up for the day Jun 27 18:15:17 what kind of a monitor is it? Jun 27 18:18:18 panto, not sure of which model it is, dont have the specs at home, but I've succesfully started X at 1024x768 using the fbdev before Jun 27 18:18:32 panto, im trying the fbdev driver next Jun 27 18:18:55 it might not handle mode switching Jun 27 18:19:03 or we might switch modes in a bad way Jun 27 18:19:10 not having EDID is weird Jun 27 18:19:15 how old of a model is it? Jun 27 18:19:40 panto, im sure the monitor has EDID, we just haven't connected the wires yet... Jun 27 18:19:56 ugh Jun 27 18:20:12 panto, its quite modern, with capacitive touch Jun 27 18:20:28 well, connect the wires then Jun 27 18:20:38 who knows what's the right modes to use? Jun 27 18:21:40 panto, I just figured since I succesfully used 1024x768 with the fbdev driver, it would work with kms too Jun 27 18:22:06 ok, try with fbdev Jun 27 18:22:29 I can't really help you debug it without having it here Jun 27 18:23:06 and kms without the edid it's just too out of what's normal Jun 27 18:23:15 Hey HI...I was brought Beagle bone black..a few queries on it... Jun 27 18:23:41 1. Does this board support WinCE5.0 or WINCE6.0 Jun 27 18:24:31 If so can i hav any docs are link were i can find more details for board bingup with this OS Jun 27 18:24:58 panto, ok thanks. either I'll try to get the wires connected, or I'll revert to fbdev if that works.. Jun 27 18:25:53 kanth, no it doesn't Jun 27 18:26:01 all the docs are open Jun 27 18:26:37 does old version beagle bone support this Jun 27 18:27:00 could be Jun 27 18:27:16 but why would you use an open source designed board to run wince? Jun 27 18:28:59 we have two product running on two different platform...currently we brought beaglebone for running Linux based application... so we pln to use the same for running WINCE base appl if it support Jun 27 18:29:20 thanks for the info... Jun 27 18:30:28 is there any online video turtorials available on how to build and flash u-boot nd kernel image on beagle bone black.. Jun 27 18:32:03 panto, switching to fbdev works.. Jun 27 18:32:15 good Jun 27 18:32:42 btw, if you're using the highest resolution possible for your display, why use kms? Jun 27 18:33:15 and wire it up for EDID Jun 27 18:33:20 I'd like to see what it reports Jun 27 18:33:43 panto, yeah i'll try to get the wiring done Jun 27 18:34:26 panto, i was just going with the default Xorg driver in meta-beagleboard, which was modesetting driver nowadays Jun 27 18:35:47 I know, it shouldn't happen but I'm not sure what goes on with kms there Jun 27 18:36:01 all that is pretty new for a regular arm board Jun 27 19:12:28 Mmmmm compact flash Jun 27 19:12:38 great stuff Jun 27 19:13:16 ancient tech from the dawn of time! Jun 27 19:13:48 what isn't? Jun 27 19:13:56 that stuff really works Jun 27 19:14:05 and no stupid serial protocols Jun 27 19:15:26 yeah - just lots of tiny pins to bend. Jun 27 19:16:05 that has not been a problem Jun 27 19:17:02 now BBB bone pins... that seems to be a bigger issue Jun 27 19:28:18 Hi Jun 27 19:28:42 I have successfully bricked the BBB with an Angstrom update. I see a lot of people having this problem Jun 27 19:29:16 I have tried for three days and followed many different methods posted to reload the emmc Jun 27 19:32:36 Guest24703: perpare a sd card, insert, press hold button, power on board Jun 27 19:35:47 hi joel_ Jun 27 19:37:28 panto, hi Pantelis Jun 27 19:37:40 panto, are you going to be attending linuxcon? Jun 27 19:38:00 probably submitting for elce Jun 27 19:39:17 LinuxCON - The best con in the world? Jun 27 19:39:18 :D Jun 27 19:41:23 joel_, I'm having trouble getting emmc+edma to work on mainline Jun 27 19:43:12 panto, oh Jun 27 19:43:22 what's the problem? Jun 27 19:44:03 no edma callback at all Jun 27 19:44:49 http://pastebin.com/Jtji27LL Jun 27 19:44:59 no edma interrupts either Jun 27 19:45:09 I'm suspecting clocking issues Jun 27 19:45:26 what was your test bed for edma, so that I can reproduce? Jun 27 19:49:33 panto, I have just tried mmc0 edma Jun 27 19:49:45 mmc0 is fine ? Jun 27 19:50:02 where did you tried it? Jun 27 19:50:08 beaglebone and evm Jun 27 19:50:08 on the evm? Jun 27 19:50:12 both Jun 27 19:50:33 it doesn't work for me Jun 27 19:50:44 can you put your kernel tree somewhere? Jun 27 19:50:49 sure Jun 27 19:50:53 or is it on the regular place? Jun 27 19:51:19 Howto make any of the gpio -pins, part of a usbhost? (let me guess wrong voltage, so none have done it) Jun 27 19:51:35 phoohb, wut? Jun 27 19:51:43 what are you trying to do? Jun 27 19:51:57 panto: connect usb -stuff Jun 27 19:52:09 there is a usb host port already Jun 27 19:52:18 need more, use a hub Jun 27 19:52:34 panto, https://github.com/joelagnel/linux-kernel.git (branch dma-devel-mmc3) Jun 27 19:52:35 (camera, usb -keyboard, and who knows.. need more than 1) Jun 27 19:53:10 usb, isnt that short for (UNIVERSAL ... something) Jun 27 19:53:13 panto, no events is interesting. Is that intermittent or no events ever? Jun 27 19:53:16 any probe errors? Jun 27 19:53:52 ugh, I've been using dma-devel-mmc2 Jun 27 19:54:06 panto, oh. yeah last round of patches fixed some more things Jun 27 19:54:11 mmc3 is the latest Jun 27 19:54:26 what got fixed? Jun 27 19:54:44 panto, the interrupts changed Jun 27 19:55:40 that would explain it Jun 27 19:55:56 panto, the edma part of it is unchanged though Jun 27 19:55:56 is there any reason the xbar dma and the tc-maps got dropped Jun 27 19:56:02 so edma interrupt should still come Jun 27 19:56:22 panto, tc-maps is hardcoded now since its now hardware description Jun 27 19:57:12 it is a hardware description Jun 27 19:57:14 panto, I didn't pick any xbar dt from the original authors and haven't used it (yet) either Jun 27 19:57:25 I do use it Jun 27 19:57:35 actually it is required for dma using gpmc Jun 27 19:57:52 and there are two levels of hardware description Jun 27 19:57:55 one is the soc level Jun 27 19:57:57 panto, yeah but it is configuration Jun 27 19:58:01 question, cant any of the 50gpio -pins, be part of a software defined usb-host? Jun 27 19:58:02 and the other is the board-level configuration Jun 27 19:58:11 this is stupid Jun 27 19:58:20 it is a board-level hardware description Jun 27 19:58:32 don't go around removing stuff just because you don't use it Jun 27 19:58:40 that was what was concluded on mailing list but you could submit a patch and have it debated again Jun 27 19:58:45 end user boards use it Jun 27 19:59:02 I didn't remove it, it was maintainer feedback and I didn't care because I don't use it but that's what it took to get it upstreamed Jun 27 19:59:06 Hmm. Jun 27 19:59:11 *don't use that particular feature Jun 27 19:59:22 In principle, you could probably do a soft-USB host using the PRUs Jun 27 19:59:30 Does anyone know where to buy a beaglebone in canada? Jun 27 19:59:33 I don't know if anyones coded them though. Jun 27 19:59:35 SpeedEvil, not high speed usb Jun 27 19:59:41 Well, no. Jun 27 19:59:46 But 12mbps - no problem Jun 27 20:00:04 panto, you can always submit a follow up patch adding it , what was upstreamed was a base EDMA support. no one is stopping you from submitting follow ups Jun 27 20:00:33 SpeedEvil: ohkey, maybe something to digg. But then there is the voltagelevel also... Jun 27 20:00:49 phoohb: USB will work 'OK' with 3.3V levels. Jun 27 20:00:52 At 12mbps Jun 27 20:00:55 Does anyone have an enclosure for beaglebone black? Jun 27 20:02:01 joel_, I read the discussion recently about what constitutes hardware configuration Jun 27 20:02:05 it pissed me off Jun 27 20:02:27 hardware configuration occurs on the board-setup level too Jun 27 20:02:27 SpeedEvil: I belive usb are 4.5V Jun 27 20:02:33 phoohb: nope Jun 27 20:02:53 Not the data lines at least. Jun 27 20:02:57 there is a whole bunch of stuff to configure after the soc configuration Jun 27 20:03:32 panto, yes actually TBH, I do agree with you. It is a valid point Jun 27 20:03:34 if you go removing it from the dt you just recreate the board file in some manner in every piece of driver you write Jun 27 20:04:04 phoohb, excuse my impertinence but I believe you are a bit misguided if you want to add USB ports to the BBB by just remuxing pins and loading some magic driver.. Jun 27 20:04:16 Currently the mapping is a default one-to-one but it can be made configurable (even through DT) again on a need-by-need basis Jun 27 20:04:38 what was done is the patch was so big and not upstreamed, so a lot of properties were dropped from the "Base" implementation Jun 27 20:05:18 we don't want to push stuff all of a sudden. I do wish you responded when the discussion was going on. But I can understand that it is hard to keep up with mailing list traffic always Jun 27 20:05:46 hi, i'm using beaglebone with an rs232 cape. it worked fine with angstrom release 27.3.13. i've upgraded angstrom to the release dated 20.06.13. now, when i try to use the serial port (for instance with minicom) i get an error message "cannot create lockfile for /dev/ttyO2: Operation not permitted". any ideas? Jun 27 20:05:51 vaizki__: Its a revA (white board I have), Im a Linux user, am under own guidence. Jun 27 20:06:12 Tartarus: ping Jun 27 20:06:25 anyway, as I said if it matters a lot to board level, then we can always add the bindings back. But nothing was "removed" because nothing was upstream already. So I don't understand what would "removed" mean. Jun 27 20:07:26 vvu, pong'ish Jun 27 20:07:46 Tartarus: ah, if you are busy the discussion can wait not so urgent. Jun 27 20:07:53 multi-tasking Jun 27 20:07:57 so I might be slow :) Jun 27 20:08:10 joel_, I know Jun 27 20:08:12 for starters can we move the discussion to #beagle-gsoc here is crowded Jun 27 20:08:17 I can't keep track of everything Jun 27 20:08:24 and there is easier for people to follow logs Jun 27 20:10:07 ok, picking up a few things makes mmc kick a few transactions Jun 27 20:10:20 but I get a crash in the hsmmc driver Jun 27 20:10:55 logs? Jun 27 20:11:31 hello is anyone herE? Jun 27 20:11:36 it's not the same hsmmc driver that's in your tree Jun 27 20:11:45 I'm working on base mainline and only adding what's needed Jun 27 20:12:07 ah ok Jun 27 20:12:07 mine's rebased on 3.10-rc4 Jun 27 20:12:31 can anyone tell me what the maximum supported capacity of MicroSD card the BeagleBone Black has? it is not documented anywhere... Jun 27 20:13:16 3.10-rc7 here Jun 27 20:14:18 hello? anyone? Jun 27 20:14:48 ricouzuki: dono, no awnser is also an awser Jun 27 20:15:39 phoohb: What does that mean? THere must be some official spec somewhere? Isn't this thing a professional product? Jun 27 20:16:24 64GB is max, what excist. Guess it supports it Jun 27 20:16:42 does it support UHS-1? Jun 27 20:17:16 is there any documentation of this 64GB? I dont want to waste money on a 64Gb card only to find out it is not compatible Jun 27 20:17:33 VHS, as ninjaturtles on videotape from the 80s? Jun 27 20:19:06 my guess is it supports what Linux supports Jun 27 20:19:13 time to go Jun 27 20:19:14 g'night Jun 27 20:19:36 seems like TI provides the HSMMC host controller in the chip, linux decides what to do with it Jun 27 20:20:08 a swag assumption I'd make is to say 64GB is definitely supported Jun 27 20:20:08 eew all the specs, Im a user myself. cant digg it all. Want multiple USB tobe connected. BUT, none have implemented, so that the 50gpio pin can be part of the 4 pins that are needed for a usb connection Jun 27 20:20:15 but I'm not on the hook if you buy one and it doesn't work :-) Jun 27 20:21:28 Thanks for your answer Spirilis. I have already bought the Beaglebone black. I was really excited about it. Seemed like a very good platform. Two issues so far. Poor documentation and secondly the fact that they opted for MicroHDMI YUCK! Jun 27 20:23:03 In fact I was so excited over the BBB that I bought it without realizing that it runs on MicroHDMI now I have it and it is sitting there useless until I can find a MicroHDMI cable. BOO! I guess I will pick up a UHS-1 64GB card and perform a speed test to see if I am really getting UHS-1 speeds. If I do get those speeds then It can be close to an SSD style speeds! Jun 27 20:23:34 that poor documentation thought damn I totally missed the fact that it did not have proper hdmi due to the poor documentation! Jun 27 20:23:54 now I am also finding out it does not support 1080p? Is that correct?! Jun 27 20:24:11 that's right Jun 27 20:24:15 I wouldn't expect UHS-1 speeds Jun 27 20:24:23 I heard its bus runs at 50MHz with 4-bit width Jun 27 20:24:26 for the uSD card Jun 27 20:24:27 I don't think UHS-I is supported Jun 27 20:24:37 because it needs 100MHz Jun 27 20:25:03 if I dont get UHS speeds it is alright. I just hope it will boot and is abole to mount the 64GB card. I hear the raspberry pi crashes when trying to boot a 64Gb card... Jun 27 20:25:09 and yeah, the BBB's graphics chipset isn't really meant to be a speed demon. The chip is meant for embedded I/O and number crunching, not high-end graphics. Jun 27 20:25:26 the 1080p is not a big deal either. Jun 27 20:25:51 It has a boatload of I/O ports of all different types onboard, that is its primary strength IMO Jun 27 20:26:07 The SoC it's based on is meant more for "industrial" stuff I guess Jun 27 20:26:20 and it's a more solid design and build than the pi if you ask me Jun 27 20:26:34 the ethernet and usb have worked rock solid for me so far Jun 27 20:26:49 I bought the CubieBoard for the purpose of making a Squid server. (It has a SATA Port so excellent) The BBB I feel would make a nice portable PXE server...I am not sure Jun 27 20:26:59 and it runs much cooler too. Jun 27 20:27:00 nice Jun 27 20:27:18 I like the fact that it along with the Cubieboard does not have ethernet over USB bus. Jun 27 20:27:26 I think it'd make a good PXE server or DHCP server or something relatively low-load like that (no Gig-E, wouldn't use it for a fileserver) Jun 27 20:27:31 is this correct? Jun 27 20:27:36 yup Jun 27 20:27:37 yes correct Jun 27 20:27:40 ethernet MAC native on the SoC Jun 27 20:27:45 just phy outside Jun 27 20:27:50 excellent! Jun 27 20:28:38 for a portable pxe server, why not just use a USB stick to store files? Jun 27 20:28:39 it could be like an embedded network management server with benefits (temperature probes, etc) Jun 27 20:28:39 yes I think I will use it for PXE server. How about accepting 3-4 320p webcam streams...is that too much? Jun 27 20:29:07 not sure what the throughput on that is, but somehow I guess so long as its storage can keep up Jun 27 20:29:17 yea my HVAC monitorin RasPi just died and I replaced it with a BBB in one evening.. working great Jun 27 20:29:35 it has type D connector? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HDMI_Connector.jpg Jun 27 20:29:45 I am looking to build an internet of things setup to monitor temperature across multiple rooms using rf but I am not an EE so it is an uphill battle. Jun 27 20:30:04 wroberts1: yes Jun 27 20:32:11 mdp, were you testing SPI with a display or with Flash? Jun 27 20:32:56 isn't mdp still on holiday? Jun 27 20:33:14 ok thanks for your help everyone Jun 27 20:33:16 mranostay, dunno , always worth a shot asking ;) Jun 27 20:33:41 joel_: just submit to the mailing list.. they are friendly :) Jun 27 20:33:44 * mranostay chuckles Jun 27 20:33:59 mranostay, that is also true Jun 27 20:35:31 * mranostay gets his asbestos gloves on Jun 27 20:44:09 oh joy, excessive heat warning in effect for next 7 hours Jun 27 20:44:30 * djlewis looks for asbestos suit Jun 27 20:48:13 djlewis, define "excessive heat"? Jun 27 20:48:29 I got a portable AC today Jun 27 20:48:46 yesterday my workroom at the house was +35 in the evening.. °C Jun 27 20:54:43 Can I program a msp430 -launchpad, using the Beaglebone? Jun 27 20:55:38 (as http://www.instructables.com/id/Program-an-Arduino-using-BeagleBone-without-USB/ BUT for msp430 -launchpad??) Jun 27 20:56:13 ahg, but also with usb?? Jun 27 20:56:51 huh Jun 27 20:57:02 (multiple usb that is) Jun 27 20:57:13 which MSP part? Jun 27 20:57:18 the LP has USB into it Jun 27 20:57:22 the parts don't Jun 27 20:58:54 ka6sox: it had bad drivers for Linux, the last time I checked. Jun 27 20:59:41 (some huge chunk of software, in M$ Windows, to program a lowend ucontroller Jun 27 21:01:22 * pru_evtout_2 absolutely loves cmake. Jun 27 21:01:53 pru_evtout_2: get a room! Jun 27 21:02:09 * pru_evtout_2 stops unbuttoning his fly. Jun 27 21:02:17 whatev. Jun 27 21:02:54 * phoohb will digg USB until I nail it. Jun 27 21:14:33 huh Jun 27 21:14:38 hi all Jun 27 21:14:47 hi you Jun 27 21:14:50 what is the issue with internal eMMC on BBB ? Jun 27 21:15:08 i could not find any u-boot that works with it Jun 27 21:15:25 the one thats supplied with it doesn't work? Jun 27 21:16:08 I already erase it xD Jun 27 21:16:16 uh Jun 27 21:16:22 well Jun 27 21:16:32 well, I'm looking for way how to flash eMMC Jun 27 21:16:50 then you should follow the getting started guide and follow the directions for creating a flasher image on a sD card Jun 27 21:16:56 http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/3210/connect-to-usb-via-other-means-not-usb-connector <-- Can this be done with BB??? Jun 27 21:17:21 hm, sounds good Jun 27 21:17:51 ka6sox: how hot is it now? Jun 27 21:17:52 but is it use DFU ? Jun 27 21:18:09 jetty, what is DFU? Jun 27 21:18:19 mranostay, lesseeeee Jun 27 21:18:44 Device Firmware Update feature that tipically is used for argstrom updates Jun 27 21:21:01 jetty, you already said you blew it away Jun 27 21:21:08 mranostay, 109F Jun 27 21:21:53 outside or in Jun 27 21:22:00 outside Jun 27 21:22:10 the AC is keeping the TX room at 79F Jun 27 21:22:12 DFU is feature of u-boot, not argstrom itself Jun 27 21:22:23 jetty, its aNgstrom Jun 27 21:22:35 no it's Ã¥ngström Jun 27 21:22:44 (although some would say arg is the right word :P Jun 27 21:22:45 ) Jun 27 21:23:12 arghström sounds like the OS in the futurama ship Jun 27 21:23:27 ya, that would work Jun 27 21:23:40 it is Yocto!!! Jun 27 21:23:57 xD Jun 27 21:25:03 but let me return back to an issue... Jun 27 21:25:41 Is there any "recovery image" ? Jun 27 21:25:48 sorry for my n00bness but how does DFU work when upgrading Ã…ngström from a uSD? Jun 27 21:25:59 Bremsstrahlung linux. only works the moment your computer collides with something. Jun 27 21:26:51 Brämhults linux, only works when freshly installed. Jun 27 21:27:43 vaizki__, http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_USB_Device_Firmware_Upgrade_User_Guide Jun 27 21:28:48 ka6sox: i wouldn't call 79F inside comfortable Jun 27 21:28:51 jetty, you can basically reflash the eMMC from the flasher image...."recovery" as in leaving stuff alone and "fixing" isn't possible Jun 27 21:29:39 ka6sox, looking for corresponding guide, still no lack Jun 27 21:29:44 jetty, yea but what is offering the DFU on the usb? not the am335x rom I'm sure Jun 27 21:30:42 http://beagleboard.org/static/beaglebone/latest/README.htm Jun 27 21:30:45 or maybe I'm overthinking this Jun 27 21:31:23 mranostay, okay thats in my end of the building...the other end is 72 Jun 27 21:31:28 hi all, does anybody know how i can address the rs232 cape, when i change the uart (for example from 2, which is default, to 4)? Jun 27 21:32:09 fedlap, you expect that to work? Jun 27 21:32:24 y, it has jumpers for it :) Jun 27 21:33:09 doesn't it work? Jun 27 21:34:38 "By default, the BeagleBone RS232 Cape uses UART2 port on the AM335x for RS232 connection; however, users will have the freedom to choose among UART1, UART2, UART4, and UART5 ports. " Jun 27 21:35:22 well you have to get that uart running on the BB first Jun 27 21:35:44 and how may i do that? Jun 27 21:38:15 * pru_evtout_2 welcomes you to the world of device tree, the slayer of beginner-level interest and adoption. Jun 27 21:38:21 or, is it possible to run a different uart on an angstrom demo image? Jun 27 21:39:14 pru_evtout_2: lol Jun 27 21:41:30 KotH: possible raspberry pi killer for tinkering? gateway for arduino types? loooololol. Jun 27 21:42:08 if they can get a device tree overlay writing utility using the web interface, so you can set it up and reboot, then sure..it has a chance. Jun 27 21:42:50 set it up and reboot, without having to look up addresses in the reference manual. Jun 27 21:44:03 yea they need a template system with conflict resolution so you say "ok I want 2 uarts and spi", then it will make a dts and tell them what pins are now used for which "ports" Jun 27 21:44:34 not that I've even tried the web based environment Jun 27 21:45:39 i think ease of use is a ways away at this point :-\ Jun 27 21:50:58 ka6sox, well... the latest images does not work xD Jun 27 21:52:24 speaking of ease of use, does opkg upgrade still break things? Jun 27 21:52:51 that's basically all that's keeping me from buying a crapload of BBB. Jun 27 21:55:47 opkg? isnt that from openwrt? Jun 27 22:11:47 jetty, which version please? Jun 27 22:11:54 and are you doing a bbb or bbw? Jun 27 22:25:23 bbb Jun 27 22:25:32 version is the latest on page Jun 27 22:27:31 this one: Angstrom Distribution (BeagleBone Black) 2013-06-20 Jun 27 22:28:36 When I try to boot it up I've getting: Booting from mmc ...Wrong Image Format for bootm command ERROR: can't get kernel image! Jun 27 22:29:12 and then just pure u-boot prompt Jun 27 22:34:44 jetty, can you please put this on the ph0rum/mailinglist/googlegroup? the makers of this need to know what you did and the results. Jun 27 22:35:46 k Jun 27 22:43:07 What AC adapter from amazon would you suggest for the beagle black ? Jun 27 22:43:12 *Which Jun 27 22:43:36 you can run on anythign 5v Jun 27 22:43:52 1amp+ is best Jun 27 22:44:19 I saw few that are 5V / 2amp that should be good but I want to make sure :) Jun 27 22:44:35 i wouldn't expect it to be a problem Jun 27 22:44:54 i'm running on 12v going through a 12v->5v converter Jun 27 22:45:27 ka6sox: my fab shop says 6/6 Jun 27 22:45:30 gah. Jun 27 22:45:32 we need 5/5 Jun 27 22:51:04 Yee-Haw! A certificate "suitable for framing" arrived. And more 'scope parts. Jun 27 22:51:45 I guess I should change nicks. Jun 27 22:52:06 has anyone had success getting the UARTs set up for the Black? I finally managed to get /dev/ttyO1 to show up yesterday but I haven't gotten the associated pin to actually put out a signal yet Jun 27 22:52:22 Glorgnole: what are you using? Jun 27 22:52:46 you could loop it back to test Jun 27 22:52:47 tty01 Jun 27 22:53:07 wroberts1: eh? Jun 27 22:53:13 I'm trying to talk to this pwm generator: http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/207 Jun 27 22:54:25 does dmesg show UART1: 0x4802_2000 (/dev/ttyO1) Jun 27 22:54:39 UART1: 0x4802_2000 (/dev/ttyO1) TX: 0x184 0x00 (p9-24) (ZCZ-D15 UART1_TXD mode:0 [datasheet]) = (conf_uart1_txd 984h [TRM p760] = 0x0184) RX: 0x180 0x20 (p9-26) (ZCZ-D16 UART1_RXD mode:0 [datasheet]) = (conf_uart1_rxd 980h [TRM p760] = 0x0180) Jun 27 22:54:48 buad rate correct? Jun 27 22:55:33 ka6sox, mrpackethead: Are you thinking of using this S6 to turn a bone into a USRP? Jun 27 22:56:11 mranostay: says it auto detects rate 1200 to 38400 Jun 27 22:57:17 mranostay: I'm not sure that I'd know how to change the baud rate if that was a problem Jun 27 22:58:08 kd0vyu, I suppose its possible but USRP is a trademarked device Jun 27 22:58:56 what's a S6? Jun 27 22:59:04 Spartan6 Jun 27 22:59:06 FPGA! Jun 27 22:59:06 Spartan^ Jun 27 22:59:14 oh those Jun 27 22:59:16 blah Jun 27 22:59:19 heh Jun 27 22:59:41 head buried in Samsung phones :( S1, S2, S3, S4... hence wtf S6 already :) Jun 27 23:00:27 wroberts1: dmesg doesn't give me that response, but I'm pretty new to all this so I might not be using it correctly Jun 27 23:00:59 Glorgnole: seems it needs "device tree overlay" file to enable tty01 Jun 27 23:01:07 I'm still trying to figure what the heck I'm actually going to _use_ the BCC cape for... Jun 27 23:01:08 ttyO1 or whatever Jun 27 23:01:17 Still need to solder it up Jun 27 23:01:43 Bcc cape sounds like a spam accelerator ;) Jun 27 23:02:44 speedy fast ham substitute? Jun 27 23:03:12 uh... sure Jun 27 23:03:38 btw, has anyone ported U-boot to x86? Jun 27 23:03:45 kd0vyu: me too Jun 27 23:03:47 GRUB is blowing major chunks Jun 27 23:04:11 figure beagle folks might see it hte same way Jun 27 23:04:16 wroberts1: I followed these instructions for making ttyO1 work, and it seemed to go through without too much trouble: http://beagleboard.org/Community/Forums_alt/?place=msg%2Fbeagleboard%2Fpf1MNKptqS0%2Ff5EoxRdzbzAJ Jun 27 23:04:33 ds2: use LILO Jun 27 23:05:01 kd0vyu: got EFI LILO? Jun 27 23:05:11 as I understand it, part of that process is to set up the device tree stuff Jun 27 23:07:08 I'll be damned, google says there is something called ELILO. never heard of it... Jun 27 23:07:50 weird Jun 27 23:22:33 does anyone know how to change the baud rate of the UARTs? Jun 27 23:26:19 setserial Jun 27 23:31:03 Glorgnole: using minicom or something else Jun 28 00:10:02 lol . . . Jun 28 00:11:13 ds uboot had been working on x86 PC for a while a couple years back. dont see why that would have changed Jun 28 00:14:53 x86 all things! Jun 28 00:34:23 mranostay, can we x86 DT? Jun 28 00:34:35 what does that A20 line look like in DT anyway? Jun 28 01:06:02 Anyone know why there is no fedora 18+ for the BBB? Seems suprising to me Jun 28 01:07:11 Maybe after pidora, fedorabone seemed kinda inappropriate? Jun 28 01:15:49 malcom2073: hehe Jun 28 01:19:38 well the fedora guys are telling me its an issue with the upstream kernel Jun 28 01:33:49 tdilly: sometimes i firmly believe nobody knows what's going on. Jun 28 01:46:03 pru_evtout_2: that might be the case, but I have more faith in the Fedora team than in the ArchLinuxArm team... Jun 28 02:02:42 Russ: trolling? Jun 28 02:51:30 howdy Jun 28 02:52:36 doudy **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 28 02:59:58 2013