**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 28 02:59:58 2013 Jun 28 03:45:57 tired of being HOT Jun 28 03:46:46 ka6sox: nice problem to have Jun 28 03:46:51 are we talking the same thing? Jun 28 03:49:34 nope Jun 28 03:49:37 doubtful Jun 28 03:49:41 <_av500_> try being hoth Jun 28 03:49:46 <_av500_> thats cool Jun 28 03:50:26 unless you use a tauntaun as a sleeping bag Jun 28 03:53:47 <_av500_> first rule on hoth, dont be the tauntaun Jun 28 03:53:59 <_av500_> and always top up the snow speeder Jun 28 03:57:14 one of my favorite sound effects is the sound of the imperial probe droid. Jun 28 04:40:25 is it possible to get an .exe file from cloud9 and run it (standalone) on th beaglebone black? Jun 28 04:40:43 er Jun 28 04:41:10 it ain't windows Jun 28 04:42:18 i know.. but it is possible to compile code on linux (for arm) and copy it to the BBB and it runs Jun 28 04:57:33 yes Jun 28 04:57:42 that's called cross compiling Jun 28 05:00:46 av500, you can do that? Jun 28 05:03:22 ka6sox: so, i talked to the fab house Jun 28 05:03:28 the process is good for 4/4 Jun 28 05:03:34 they jsut dont' like doing it Jun 28 05:03:41 becuase they have too high a reject rate Jun 28 05:04:07 ka6sox: the doc we looked at yesterday said 5/5 for the escape tracks Jun 28 05:04:38 and if we can keep the 5/5 to under the bga, we can run it. Jun 28 05:06:29 so they will do it as a 4/4 or 5/5 Jun 28 05:06:36 666? Jun 28 05:08:01 morning av500 Jun 28 05:10:39 mrpackethead, I can't even consider this till September... Jun 28 05:10:55 ha ha Jun 28 05:10:57 :-) Jun 28 05:11:01 what are you busy or something Jun 28 05:11:03 Anyone knows where to download beaglebone angstrom SDK (inc Qt) from? Jun 28 05:12:13 mrpackethead, :P Jun 28 05:14:48 I'm thinking about doing an S6 one w/ the TQFP144 pkg Jun 28 05:15:13 that could still use the 6/6 4l process @ OSHpark. Jun 28 05:15:47 plus, I could solder it by hand... Jun 28 05:16:04 emeb_mac: when you've finished, let me know, i can tack it on one of our panels. Jun 28 05:16:09 compile running.. beer sounds good Jun 28 05:16:16 we now have a standing order with the factory. Jun 28 05:16:20 big suprise right? :) Jun 28 05:16:22 mrpackethead: sure Jun 28 05:16:31 pretty good, 2 day turn Jun 28 05:16:41 mrpackethead: another fpga cape run? Jun 28 05:16:43 i have a 18x12 panel every week i guess. Jun 28 05:16:45 4/4 for what?! Jun 28 05:16:49 mranostay: spartan6 Jun 28 05:16:56 ds2: BGA on a 1.0mm pitch Jun 28 05:17:04 eh? Jun 28 05:17:09 ds2: actuyally it only needs to be 5/5 Jun 28 05:17:13 I have done courser stuff on 0.8mm BGAs Jun 28 05:17:18 (STM32F103 stuff) Jun 28 05:17:32 the doco for the chip says 5/5 Jun 28 05:17:42 1.0 and 5/5? hmmm Jun 28 05:18:16 ds2: you sure about that? I thought those boards you got from JP were finer rules than that. Jun 28 05:18:43 emeb_mac: 5/5 Jun 28 05:18:58 I was trying for 6/6 but a few traces needed 5/5 Jun 28 05:19:08 OK Jun 28 05:19:30 how many balls is that BGA? Jun 28 05:20:07 or how many rows deep Jun 28 05:20:39 ds2: a lot! 16x16 Jun 28 05:20:47 FG256 Jun 28 05:20:54 ahhhhhh Jun 28 05:20:56 that would do it Jun 28 05:21:02 and you are using most of them? Jun 28 05:21:19 dunno yet Jun 28 05:21:55 inner ones will need access - that's where they put most of the power / gnd pads Jun 28 05:22:08 IIRC, the annular rings of the vias was the killer for me Jun 28 05:22:32 ds2: makes sense - zyp & I worked out the math on that at one time Jun 28 05:22:38 you need 5 mils + min drill size. even at 5mil drill, that's 15mils of space used up Jun 28 05:22:46 exactly Jun 28 05:22:53 violate that and they want laser drill vias and you pay through the roof Jun 28 05:23:05 not surprising Jun 28 05:23:17 Anyone has ever tried to build a Qt app on beagle bone using angstrom 2012-12? Can't find a toolchain with the same Qt version.. :( Jun 28 05:23:22 boards w/ fricken lazers are $$$ Jun 28 05:23:34 not as bad as blind though Jun 28 05:23:51 hard to justify blind on a 4l Jun 28 05:24:00 heh Jun 28 05:24:17 4L? Jun 28 05:24:20 yep Jun 28 05:24:21 no solid ground planes? Jun 28 05:24:48 oh yes - solid gnd. several VDDs on the 3rd layer Jun 28 05:24:57 +3.3 and +1.2 Jun 28 05:25:08 how you manage to get enough routing resources to pull that off? Jun 28 05:25:30 backside was almost all empty. Jun 28 05:25:35 most routing on layer 1 Jun 28 05:25:58 chgans: building on the beagle? Jun 28 05:26:00 or on the host? Jun 28 05:28:19 av500: no looking for cross-compiling Jun 28 05:29:37 av500: I mean: cross compiling Qt app on ubuntu for beagle bone. Jun 28 05:31:07 i have a am3359 EVM, with which i use Sitara SDK. But the bone comes with uncompatible qt libraries, so i would like to recompile my app with the "right" toolchain Jun 28 05:32:46 use angstrom Jun 28 05:32:56 it will build you a toolchain and all the QT libs Jun 28 05:33:28 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Jun 28 05:34:06 av500: i was trying to avoid to build the toolchain/SDK myself! The guys who did the images should have put the SDK alongside as well... Jun 28 05:35:20 is there a bealebone black version with 1gb of ram? Jun 28 05:35:26 no Jun 28 05:35:36 not even with 2GB Jun 28 05:36:22 okay. i remember that I've read some where that there are two versions but i only can find one. Jun 28 05:36:38 there is only one Jun 28 05:36:46 k. thx Jun 28 05:37:07 did anyone tried Archlinux on it? Jun 28 05:37:14 some people did Jun 28 05:38:07 i would like to know how the 2d and 3d performance is Jun 28 05:38:25 .... Jun 28 05:38:28 54 Jun 28 05:38:31 goodnight. Jun 28 05:38:34 bheh Jun 28 05:38:35 same as on an omap3 Jun 28 05:38:40 more or less Jun 28 05:38:46 same SGX Jun 28 05:38:51 once the drivers are available Jun 28 05:39:10 does it use the lima driver or some proprietary ones? Jun 28 05:39:29 SGX Jun 28 05:39:32 lima is for mali Jun 28 05:40:52 right. but there was some open drivers for powervr too i think. but not ready fire use. Jun 28 05:41:00 might be Jun 28 05:43:02 k. i will try the bone. seems like a better option than the rpi. more gpios, more power. Jun 28 05:43:11 right Jun 28 05:43:15 just less HD video Jun 28 05:44:46 that's ok. you can use a rpi for xbmc and the bone fire more hardware specific stuff Jun 28 05:45:03 XenGi: the two version thing might have been rpio. Jun 28 05:45:39 no i think i mixed it with the cubietruck. Jun 28 05:46:22 that's the other board that looks very interesting. 1gb ram and a sata port. Jun 28 05:47:38 if the 2d performance is better or similar to the rpi it could be the best choice for xbmc Jun 28 05:48:16 would love to attach a sata drive to such a small board. Jun 28 05:48:36 xeni, is usb not an option? Jun 28 05:48:52 sata is faster ;) Jun 28 05:49:05 beagles dont' do media center stuff that well Jun 28 05:49:12 not what they were designed for Jun 28 05:49:26 linux filesystem overhead can end up being the bottleneck on the CPU Jun 28 05:49:30 jep. but maybe that cubietruck Jun 28 05:49:31 XenGi: I dont think rpi vs cubie matters much for xbmc Jun 28 05:49:35 tons of context switches Jun 28 05:49:41 were abut the 'internet of thigns' here Jun 28 05:49:51 bbb's make great 'things' Jun 28 05:50:16 why do you need disk access so fast on a small machine? Jun 28 05:50:43 don't know. faster is always better Jun 28 05:50:57 I have fast disks on my server.. 10 drives mirrored and striped in radio 10 Jun 28 05:51:05 but theres a reason for that Jun 28 05:51:28 so, better means, more power, more expensive, more space... Jun 28 05:51:51 I'm getting *a lot* done with just the eMMc Jun 28 05:52:39 if you have big files that you write all the time you want to use a hdd instead of the mmc Jun 28 05:54:34 for now i just need some low power boards for a monorail system that should drive autonomously Jun 28 05:55:38 rpi's could be too slow and i need lots of gpios so the beaglebone seems to be a good choice Jun 28 05:56:32 yes Jun 28 05:56:33 go order Jun 28 05:56:39 is the bbb and to do real time stuff? that's one of the things the pi is missing Jun 28 05:57:41 define real time Jun 28 05:58:12 build xbmc in real time, native. :P Jun 28 05:59:10 don't know what it means exactly. a friend always complains about the pi not being able to do time critical stuff. Jun 28 05:59:37 he plays midi files on floppy drives with it Jun 28 06:01:06 i think i should go to bed. thx guys. cya Jun 28 06:29:48 * mranostay yawns Jun 28 06:30:44 * emeb_mac throws popcorn into mranostay's mouth Jun 28 06:32:07 how dare you Jun 28 06:33:33 GOOD MORNING Jun 28 06:34:13 someone is drunk Jun 28 06:34:24 and isn't me for a change Jun 28 06:34:50 me? Jun 28 06:35:58 I just did a small celebration of the International CAPS LOCK DAY. Done now, since I want to be allowed to stay here. Jun 28 06:37:46 tasslehoff: you should have ended with STOP. Jun 28 06:38:15 STOP mranostay ...seriously...just STOP. Jun 28 06:39:13 morning Jun 28 06:39:13 roger that Jun 28 06:39:40 tgif! Jun 28 06:40:05 god i need some SSD drives... Jun 28 06:40:06 stop! in the name of love... *sing* Jun 28 06:40:29 mranostay: I hear your employer has so many of them, they sell those even. Jun 28 06:40:45 dm8tbr: yes i have a discount even Jun 28 06:41:02 dumpster-diver-discount? ;) Jun 28 06:41:28 no legal not getting me fired discount Jun 28 06:41:30 mranostay: does your discount work for Samsung drives too or do you have to buy intel? Jun 28 06:41:54 av500: intel store so what you thing? Jun 28 06:41:58 *think Jun 28 06:46:18 ka6sox: so temp down to under 100F now? Jun 28 06:46:47 I'm home Jun 28 06:46:48 so yes Jun 28 06:47:07 whoa monday forecast is 40C Jun 28 06:47:23 where? Jun 28 06:47:27 Portland Jun 28 06:56:17 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 2 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/muuBig Jun 28 06:56:17 kernel/3.8 9793f3f Koen Kooi: 3.8: set default backlight to 100%... Jun 28 06:56:17 kernel/3.8 2ed911a Koen Kooi: 3.8: add pps-gpio support... Jun 28 06:57:05 mranostay, cooler where I am in the IE Jun 28 06:59:22 Russ, about 100miles east was 44 today Jun 28 07:01:20 http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Lake+Havasu+City+AZ+USAZ0116:1:US Jun 28 07:01:38 at least it drops below 100 at night Jun 28 07:02:46 you there now? Jun 28 07:03:02 thankfully no Jun 28 07:03:12 my high isn't even their low Jun 28 07:03:28 ah, okay Jun 28 07:03:50 yeah i rather have cold than that hot Jun 28 07:03:52 was supposed to go out to the racetrack this weekend....supposed to be 130F Jun 28 07:04:02 so we cancelled Jun 28 07:04:17 good plan Jun 28 07:04:24 why do people live in these places??!?! :) Jun 28 07:04:48 see, this is why I like the Fahrenheit system better than the Celsius system Jun 28 07:05:08 mranostay, nobody lives there. Jun 28 07:05:11 it's clear that 100F is the hottest temp a sane person should endure, and 0F is the coldest temp a sane person should endure Jun 28 07:05:12 (or should live there) Jun 28 07:05:45 the only thing on the Racetrack is a bunch of Rocks. Jun 28 07:06:19 GOOD JIHADING! Jun 28 07:06:32 KotH, Good Friday Ji* Jun 28 07:06:47 KotH: HAPPY JIHAD. STOP. Jun 28 07:07:50 we at least have plenty of power for our stones Jun 28 07:08:05 koen: is there a way to make avahi-autoipd and connman play together in angstrom? Jun 28 07:08:05 nuclear powered stones? Jun 28 07:08:28 ka6sox: where are you? Jun 28 07:08:48 vaizki, I just went back to the Pacific Plate... Jun 28 07:08:59 tasslehoff: I only use dhcp, so I've never tried it Jun 28 07:09:07 they validated my Passport on the way out of North America Jun 28 07:09:12 ka6sox: ?? Jun 28 07:11:04 vaizki, I work sometimes in North America, but live on the Pacific plate :) Jun 28 07:11:12 I am in Finland and we broke a lot of heat records this week and a month or so ago as well.. only +31°C or so here but it's extremely rare to see temps above +25 in June and I remember summers when it doesn't even get up to +20... Jun 28 07:11:28 ka6sox, pacific plate is a big place :) Jun 28 07:11:51 vaizki, today was 44C, where I was. Jun 28 07:11:59 tomorrow is scheduled to be 48C Jun 28 07:12:00 but I'd think that if you lived on an island it wouldn't easily get to +44 because of the sea Jun 28 07:12:03 fffuu Jun 28 07:12:22 and the place I was scheduled to go this weekend is going to be 54C Jun 28 07:12:45 death valley? Jun 28 07:12:49 yes Jun 28 07:13:22 it's nice at night there, I've spent a few nights in the Amargosa Opera house when it was +45 or so in the daytime Jun 28 07:13:37 but it's a dry heat Jun 28 07:13:43 koen, heh Jun 28 07:13:43 yea it's not so bad Jun 28 07:14:04 drink a lot and stay out of the sun.. and there's not that much dust Jun 28 07:14:05 that's what the shirt said I bought in death vally 19 years ago :) Jun 28 07:14:29 I remember being in Cairo in a dark pinstripe suit when it was +44 outside and ffffuuuu Jun 28 07:14:37 I have to go suck out the data out of our stones... Jun 28 07:14:38 the amount of dust and exhaust Jun 28 07:15:25 it's nice when you sweat like a pig and there is so much dust that black rivers form on your skin Jun 28 07:15:53 fun Jun 28 07:16:25 takes me about a week to get used to extreme temp changes Jun 28 07:18:01 oh now I know.. ka6sox is snowden and he's from hawaii but hiding out in the desert Jun 28 07:18:26 ssssh Jun 28 07:18:30 oops Jun 28 07:18:32 no, ka6sox knows how to shave Jun 28 07:18:37 :) Jun 28 07:19:00 now that he's taliban he's not shaving anymore Jun 28 07:19:03 my ideal climate is 27C day and night Jun 28 07:19:17 (this channel just made NSA's top list) Jun 28 07:19:44 No Such Agency Jun 28 07:19:49 vaizki: it has been there since i joined ;) Jun 28 07:20:03 KotH, +1 Jun 28 07:20:19 okay, enough fun with temperatures for one lifetime Jun 28 07:20:37 I'm just glad I escaped back home Jun 28 07:22:24 koen, are we going to skip 3.9? Jun 28 07:22:34 go straight to 3.10? Jun 28 07:22:43 or linux-next Jun 28 07:22:49 kk Jun 28 07:22:59 I think the next kernel we'll use will be 3.12 Jun 28 07:23:03 I backported a few things from linux next Jun 28 07:23:08 but dev on 3.10rc has started Jun 28 07:23:23 (3.10) Jun 28 07:23:29 panto spent all day yesterday cursing about it not working :) Jun 28 07:23:40 ya, doesn't surprise me Jun 28 07:23:45 I'm not against being on the bleeding edge but what is happening in the mainline that warrants tracking it so closely now? Jun 28 07:24:10 vaizki, trying to get away from Evil Vendor Trees and get things into Mainline Jun 28 07:24:14 am335x stuff is finally getting in Jun 28 07:24:18 :) Jun 28 07:24:37 koen, yeah, but I intend to keep track of mainline tip Jun 28 07:24:45 having misc/sram would be nice Jun 28 07:24:47 not linux-next Jun 28 07:26:27 panto, I'm not sure, with my reading on virtio whether we can get away from having to use coherent caches... Jun 28 07:26:29 ok so big push to have am335x patches rolled into mainline so you could roll a beagle-kernel from vanilla source? when do you think that would happen? Jun 28 07:26:35 before xmas? :) Jun 28 07:26:47 ka6sox, rpmsg uses virtio Jun 28 07:27:09 but it's allocating the buffers with dma_alloc_coherent Jun 28 07:27:24 the kvm drivers don't bother calling the mapping functions Jun 28 07:27:33 yet another pc-ism Jun 28 07:27:36 ugh Jun 28 07:27:52 how about using genalloc instead? Jun 28 07:28:01 treat it like sram Jun 28 07:28:04 vaizki: around 3.14 I'd say Jun 28 07:28:37 koen: 3.14.1.529 Jun 28 07:28:41 to be exact Jun 28 07:29:15 ka6sox: no big hockey for you? Jun 28 07:29:30 ds2, ??? Jun 28 07:30:23 panto, for now I think we should just use misc/sram like mdp plans on using for the r6502 Jun 28 07:30:36 ka6sox: your racetrack trip got canceled right? Jun 28 07:30:45 yup Jun 28 07:30:58 ka6sox, you can use any kind of memory Jun 28 07:31:01 don't Mr B supposely play hockey there? Jun 28 07:31:10 :) Jun 28 07:31:12 the PRU has access to the whole address space Jun 28 07:31:28 but its "slow" Jun 28 07:31:32 there's some twiddling for gpmc Jun 28 07:31:37 right Jun 28 07:31:48 ka6sox, not if you avoid the copy Jun 28 07:31:52 panto: how is contention between PRU/DMA/Cortex handled? Jun 28 07:32:09 there's arbitration when you go out the ocp port Jun 28 07:32:21 who has priority? Jun 28 07:32:39 I found out that the arbitration is b0rken for accessing the internal rams of the pru if it's running Jun 28 07:32:47 ds2, that's a good question Jun 28 07:32:56 I think you can configure that Jun 28 07:33:02 panto, oh, then what I was thinking about won't work Jun 28 07:33:26 my first attempt was placing the vring in the shared data ram Jun 28 07:33:34 mysteriously it didn't work Jun 28 07:33:39 ugh Jun 28 07:33:52 then I placed it in external dram Jun 28 07:33:58 worked fine then Jun 28 07:35:35 hmmm Jun 28 07:35:38 not good Jun 28 07:35:51 avoiding a copy would be really helpful Jun 28 07:37:38 okay, I need to sleep...maybe (since av500 didn't post any psychodelic pictures tonight) I won't have Technicolor Dreams... Jun 28 07:37:51 sorry :( Jun 28 07:38:14 heh Jun 28 07:38:17 tis sokay.... Jun 28 07:39:06 av500, I forgot that Adama could sing.... Jun 28 07:40:19 ka6sox: sing you to sleep Jun 28 07:40:29 ka6sox: I've had a dream about those freq resonators ;) Jun 28 07:40:44 ant_work, :) Jun 28 07:40:55 ant_work, I bought the NovaChord album... Jun 28 07:41:05 .) Jun 28 07:41:08 ah, you did it :) Jun 28 07:41:19 there is one exemplar here in IT Jun 28 07:41:44 after reading his description of the project of cleaning it up...I'll pass. Jun 28 07:41:59 the (crazy) guy refilled itself the capacitors Jun 28 07:42:06 oh Jun 28 07:42:28 I would just hide a beaglebone inside Jun 28 07:42:33 and do all the stuff on the DSP Jun 28 07:42:35 heh Jun 28 07:42:41 what DSP???? Jun 28 07:43:02 oh right, the MACs on the PRUs Jun 28 07:43:24 see the caps curing like salamis' http://www.radiomeccanica.com/restnova.html Jun 28 07:43:55 Parma caps Jun 28 07:44:04 zart Jun 28 07:44:54 av500, you need to throw out those old resistors on that amp... Jun 28 07:45:03 they drift all over the place Jun 28 07:45:22 ka6sox, isn't that what gives it that special warm sound? Jun 28 07:45:40 dry caps do that Jun 28 07:45:48 Russ, no its the Thermionic Emissions :) Jun 28 07:45:50 ka6sox: this amp has been death modded anyway Jun 28 07:46:04 av500, ooooh.... Jun 28 07:46:17 I can either restore it to orignal schematics Jun 28 07:46:22 for a phone/mic amp Jun 28 07:46:26 I think most charme is coming from the special reverb Jun 28 07:46:30 or build a little guitar arm Jun 28 07:46:38 er, phono Jun 28 07:46:57 which ARM? arm0 ;) Jun 28 07:47:05 btw: http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/dynacord_sv17.html Jun 28 07:48:00 ah, I was just asking about Frequenzbereich / domain. Do we call ET when i'ts switched on Jun 28 07:48:04 ? Jun 28 07:48:20 EMI ? Jun 28 07:48:24 av500: nice Jun 28 07:48:54 wow, nice range. goes to 11, err 50kHz Jun 28 07:49:05 hmm if I disable the HDMI "cape", that's not going to shut down the framer is it? Jun 28 07:49:35 yes Jun 28 07:49:50 why are you going to disable it? Jun 28 07:49:57 dm8tbr: yes, back then people could still "hear" Jun 28 07:50:12 :D Jun 28 07:51:18 http://earlywireless.com/renovating_dke38_electrolytics.htm Jun 28 07:51:20 cheating!!! Jun 28 07:52:41 av500, they certainly won't have the same SR Jun 28 08:03:30 definitly not Jun 28 08:03:58 and if it's a "clever" design, it will break because of that Jun 28 08:04:16 clever? Jun 28 08:04:20 old tube amps? Jun 28 08:04:27 juup Jun 28 08:04:36 tubes and capacitors were expensive Jun 28 08:04:45 sure Jun 28 08:04:51 use every tube for at least two functions, better for three Jun 28 08:04:57 that yes Jun 28 08:05:01 and use ever non-idiality of the parts Jun 28 08:05:53 http://earlywireless.com/images/dke38/dke38 cct.JPG Jun 28 08:06:05 4uf filter caps Jun 28 08:06:10 for the HV Jun 28 08:06:18 dunno what clever use they also had Jun 28 08:06:19 :) Jun 28 08:06:30 wait a sec... Jun 28 08:06:38 he put 4uF 50V types in there Jun 28 08:07:00 450 Jun 28 08:07:10 Obtain two 4.7uF 450V DC WKG electrolytic capacitors Jun 28 08:07:46 and personally, I never check the "ripple current rating" Jun 28 08:09:36 oh, it seems the only 4µF cap of 1930's the guy did find 100% perfect was the one with paper and PCB Jun 28 08:09:47 is it toxic ;p ? Jun 28 08:18:58 i guess they are safe to eat Jun 28 08:21:27 KotH: no silicagel so should be fine Jun 28 08:25:00 mru: juup.. that stuff is deadly, as soon as it touches your lips Jun 28 08:25:19 zombie? Jun 28 09:02:49 Hi Jun 28 09:03:21 hi Jun 28 09:03:22 I just bought a raspi, and thus just learned of the Beaglebone Black, how freaking cool. Jun 28 09:03:59 I imagine my next tech purchase is gonna have to be a beagle Jun 28 09:04:31 yes Jun 28 09:05:05 I started off with an arduino,, then learned of the pi. I use them with an radio shack electronics learning lab for prototyping. Jun 28 09:05:08 beaglebone is really good board Jun 28 09:05:26 It looks quite a bit more powerfull than the pi Jun 28 09:05:41 and a bit more cool. Jun 28 09:06:17 then I think you just bought a beaglebone black Jun 28 09:06:38 bone's cpu is powerfull Jun 28 09:07:07 I would have to agree, what do you think the best place to buy one would be. I've seen a handfull of sites selling them. Jun 28 09:07:26 Akcipitro: I'll sell you a bbb Jun 28 09:07:34 $699 Jun 28 09:07:36 lol Jun 28 09:07:40 digikey? Jun 28 09:07:43 Akcipitro: take it! Jun 28 09:07:45 we can make it very cool Jun 28 09:07:46 :-) Jun 28 09:07:49 Akcipitro: that's a good offer! Jun 28 09:07:55 i'll even put fancy wrapping paper on it Jun 28 09:08:02 better have a bow. Jun 28 09:08:11 The new boes they come in a crappy Jun 28 09:08:16 they economised on the packing Jun 28 09:08:23 the boxes are flimsy Jun 28 09:08:25 ya, I would say digikey or specialcomputing Jun 28 09:08:35 dk, mouser Jun 28 09:08:39 both have them in stock Jun 28 09:08:49 i ordered a stack of them the other day, and they arrived in 3 days Jun 28 09:08:56 you are in the US, so you have a lot of easy options Jun 28 09:09:05 cool, thanks. nice, Jun 28 09:09:12 Russ, i'm in NZ, and i got them in 3 days Jun 28 09:09:12 no ,in turkey Jun 28 09:09:16 so was pretty quick. Jun 28 09:09:41 impressive Jun 28 09:09:44 What have you guys done with them? anything unusually interesting? Jun 28 09:09:53 mrpackethead, too bad the internet in nz isn't that fast Jun 28 09:10:00 himmet: how is the uprising going? Jun 28 09:10:11 Russ: its fast between the office and the front gate Jun 28 09:10:12 :-) Jun 28 09:10:30 Akcipitro: i've have build a electroplating control system. Jun 28 09:10:37 mrpackethead, http://theoatmeal.com/pl/game_of_thrones/nz Jun 28 09:10:52 I'm buildign an home alarm replacenet system Jun 28 09:10:58 Perfect for that Jun 28 09:10:59 Fantastic, mrpackethead. Jun 28 09:11:04 I ahve some other top secrect projects Jun 28 09:11:18 but of course, muhahahaha Jun 28 09:11:22 same here. Jun 28 09:11:23 mrpackethead: you're aware that the bbb is not military grade? ;) Jun 28 09:11:43 and not intended for use a medical implant Jun 28 09:11:50 KotH: hey, its already half way to mars. Jun 28 09:11:54 pssshh, what qualifies something for military grade anyways. Jun 28 09:12:07 Russ: damn! we have to get out again, then! Jun 28 09:12:15 Akcipitro: a big rubber stamp Jun 28 09:12:17 when it gets there, its going to find that stupid american thing Jun 28 09:12:22 blow it up Jun 28 09:12:25 I tried to use my pi for a medical implant but cutting and shoving it in a hole in my body was too painful. Jun 28 09:12:30 and we will claim mars for our own. Jun 28 09:12:50 damned kiwis Jun 28 09:12:52 mrpackethead: united planets of beagle? Jun 28 09:13:32 KotH: if you turn up, i'll let you set up little switzerland, provided you pay your taxes in chocolate Jun 28 09:13:56 no problem Jun 28 09:14:14 maybe we can make beagle ballons.. Google Loon style Jun 28 09:14:19 you can get an uprfont payment at next elce Jun 28 09:14:51 how many ballons do you need to build a global network Jun 28 09:14:58 too many Jun 28 09:15:08 * KotH would use a couple of LEO satelites Jun 28 09:15:13 like 100 or so Jun 28 09:15:28 the north koreans would like to do that Jun 28 09:15:34 * KotH doesnt think that this loon thing will actually work Jun 28 09:15:44 it worked in NZ for about 12 hours Jun 28 09:15:50 then the ballons where lsot at sea Jun 28 09:15:51 :0) Jun 28 09:15:54 lol Jun 28 09:16:07 i was supsrized they last that long actually Jun 28 09:16:26 Hey does anybody know how to configure static IP on the beagle bone? Jun 28 09:16:38 yes Jun 28 09:16:46 anybody knows that Jun 28 09:16:49 pieter_: yes, there are people. Jun 28 09:16:50 great Jun 28 09:17:01 glad we coudl answer the question Jun 28 09:17:05 next question Jun 28 09:17:21 how to configure static IP adress on beagle bone? :) Jun 28 09:17:39 ahh. Jun 28 09:17:43 how did i guess. Jun 28 09:18:12 the answer will depend on your choice of OS. Are you using Angsbum OS Jun 28 09:18:26 if so, i'll point you to one of the Angsbum expert Jun 28 09:18:33 I am using the default, i guess its Angstrom? Jun 28 09:18:42 Oh, that horrid thing Jun 28 09:18:52 Any Angstrom trolls awake? Jun 28 09:18:57 pieter_: what does KXA BV do? Jun 28 09:19:04 pieter_: my dutch isnt good enough Jun 28 09:19:22 I worked for a Dutch boss once. Jun 28 09:19:26 he was a mad man Jun 28 09:20:57 so you quit? Jun 28 09:21:14 so you advice me to install another OS Jun 28 09:29:21 mrpackethead: it's "Angst" for the friends Jun 28 09:29:50 haha Jun 28 09:29:56 Angst indeed! Jun 28 09:30:04 "Have Angst in ROM"? Jun 28 09:30:56 kfoltman: you actually guessed the origin of the name Jun 28 09:31:23 kfoltman: people kept calling it a 'ROM' Jun 28 09:31:48 Really Overcomplicated Monster? Jun 28 09:31:59 Read Only Memory Jun 28 09:32:06 (perhaps not, but watching bitbake runs might give you that idea) Jun 28 09:32:11 XDA people Jun 28 09:32:35 I guess the name was created before there have been thousands of .bb files making things slow :) Jun 28 09:32:46 they would binary patch the .jffs2 files to change desktop wallpapers Jun 28 09:33:01 kfoltman: bitbake is the buildsystem, not the resulting distro Jun 28 09:33:03 That's... dedication :) Jun 28 09:33:06 koen: yes, I know Jun 28 09:33:15 koen: I've tried to build various images before Jun 28 09:34:23 koen: couldn't fully grok the process though - like, balancing between "clean everything and start from scratch" and "accidentally skipping rebuilding the component that should have been rebuilt" Jun 28 09:34:58 eventually switched to buildroot just because it was simpler and good enough for my uses Jun 28 09:35:33 the tasks have checksums now Jun 28 09:35:41 so rebuilds happen automatically Jun 28 09:36:05 that's the part I never understand..how is it simpler? Jun 28 09:36:18 but yes, OE is developed by people that build from scratch and don't really get incremental builds nor how real life distros work Jun 28 09:36:25 ant_work: less magic, less things to go wrong Jun 28 09:36:46 less Jun 28 09:38:20 anyway koen is right, nowadays OE/Angstrom build takes little more than one hour, it's just so tempting Jun 28 09:39:04 koen: For me, fast turnaround was a key, I'm very impatient Jun 28 09:39:32 hah: http://mygermanroommate.tumblr.com/post/53855414088/my-german-roommate-never-thought-that-donnerstag Jun 28 09:39:35 Eventually, I switched to using stock Angstrom just for development/testing (because it has gcc on the target) Jun 28 09:39:52 kfoltman: buildroot has always amused me Jun 28 09:40:11 kfoltman: a few years ago the BR people said "BR is truly embedded, not bloated shit like OE that has X11 support" Jun 28 09:40:30 and recently BR devs said "BR supports X11 now, we're so awesome" Jun 28 09:40:40 Well, I think it doesn't scale enough to X11 type environments Jun 28 09:40:51 But for a pure embedded case, it's not bad Jun 28 09:41:12 BR isn't bad, it just doesn't scale Jun 28 09:41:25 For what I'm doing, making my app the /bin/init might probably do the job Jun 28 09:41:33 the original OE people created OE because BR didn't scale for what they needed Jun 28 09:42:08 kfoltman: oh, sweet, we're doing that in some images Jun 28 09:42:09 "we have 10 slightly difference devices and we want a single build tree, not 10 different ones" Jun 28 09:42:10 Well, so any BR-OE "wars" are just fanboy stuff - they have different scope Jun 28 09:42:30 and 10 years later both still exist :) Jun 28 09:42:43 ant_work: sure, but OE is probably not the quickest or easiest way to get there :) Jun 28 09:42:52 OE/BB/Angstrom Jun 28 09:43:34 what if I reveal you the init is even compiled static with a different library than the rest? How do you do that in one pass with BR? Jun 28 09:44:51 ant_work: well, that's probably in the "not well suited for BR" drawer then Jun 28 09:46:09 kfoltman: my goal for angstrom is that you never need to touch OE to get things done Jun 28 09:46:12 not there yet :( Jun 28 09:49:33 mrpackethead: how do you call the diode over the coil of a relay in english? Jun 28 09:50:08 we'd call it a diode? Jun 28 09:50:17 no special name for it? Jun 28 09:50:27 Its there to provide a path for back emf Jun 28 09:50:29 ? Jun 28 09:50:44 in german we call it "freilaufdiode", to state it is used to clamp the self induced voltage Jun 28 09:51:02 leo gives a couple of specific translations, but they all seem to be wrong ^^' Jun 28 09:51:08 http://dict.leo.org/#/search=freilaufdiode&searchLoc=0&resultOrder=basic&multiwordShowSingle=on Jun 28 09:51:18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_diode Jun 28 09:51:18 It might have a special name, but i've never heard of one Jun 28 09:51:53 there you go. Jun 28 09:52:02 i would have just said diode Jun 28 09:52:04 thanks! Jun 28 09:52:09 lists 5 possible names to choose from Jun 28 09:52:26 self-induction recuperation diode Jun 28 09:52:36 its a bit like "Capacitor", theres only about 50,000 reasons why Jun 28 09:52:47 :-) Jun 28 09:52:50 you might have one Jun 28 09:53:02 Selbstinduktionsrückgewinnungsdiode Jun 28 09:53:11 everythign is a capacistor, just like everythign is a resitor and everything is a inductor Jun 28 09:53:31 everything is a file Jun 28 09:53:42 KotH: flyback? Jun 28 09:53:46 koen: awesome tumblr Jun 28 09:54:03 ah, russ already meantioned it Jun 28 09:54:12 koen, ssshh!!! don't say that name here, you might summon him Jun 28 09:54:29 I like snubber Jun 28 09:56:41 av500: some translations are just wrong: http://dict.leo.org/ende/index_de.html#/search=Beschaltung Jun 28 09:57:05 oops, poor pieter_ has quit...he was just asking about static IP afterall... Jun 28 09:57:39 KotH: of course, it's leo Jun 28 09:57:51 it works best if you already speak both languages Jun 28 09:58:02 he needs a flywheeling capacitor thingy Jun 28 09:58:21 dont here we are all flywheeling Jun 28 09:58:24 down* Jun 28 10:00:54 I thought they all floated down here? Jun 28 10:01:17 high Z heaven Jun 28 10:01:46 * KotH just X Jun 28 10:03:49 I need a smd 8mm RGB tophat led package Jun 28 10:03:53 how hard can this be! Jun 28 10:07:01 koen: I think my problem with it is "things can go wrong quite quickly, and when you go to that stage, the perception of the amount of effort to get to the bottom of the issue is paralysing", plus the turn-around times Jun 28 10:10:28 koen: never tried building A. with HOB? Jun 28 10:26:09 kfoltman: no matter what you do, things will go wrong Jun 28 10:26:50 KotH: yes, and then it helps if they can be diagnosed more easily :) Jun 28 10:27:03 diagnosing faults is for sissies! Jun 28 10:27:16 "Fix it in marketing" Jun 28 10:27:24 real men just stare at it until the problem goes away of its own free will Jun 28 10:28:16 us mere mortals have to resort to other means, like talking to a rubber duck Jun 28 10:28:39 Hi, I have Angstrom loaded on BBoardxM Rev C. I am trying to connect a 3G dongle to the same. Whenever I command BB to read the 3G dongle as a serial device rather than a storage device, it changes its product id. wvdial also throws an error. Someone please help. Thanks. Jun 28 10:29:47 Russ: pennywise? Jun 28 10:31:38 yup Jun 28 10:32:29 ssp_: lsusb, dmesg & co are your friends Jun 28 10:32:43 ssp_: and have a look at what udev does too Jun 28 10:33:15 ssp_: and probably it would be easier if you first got your stick working on your desktop Jun 28 10:34:15 ssp_: you now owe the #beagle support team, 5CHF, payable in swiss chocolate Jun 28 10:34:31 numbered swiss chocolate account? Jun 28 10:34:38 KotH: 1. the stick is working on the desktop. 2. when i do wvdialconf, the log file shows that the stick is now recognized as /dev/ttyUSB1. 3. however on doing ifconfig, i dont get the ppp0 add Jun 28 10:34:54 KotH: Russ : swiss chocolates for sure! Jun 28 10:35:18 ssp_: then figure out why pppd is not starting Jun 28 10:35:27 ssp_: syslog and vi are your friends Jun 28 10:36:04 mmm...aloe water with crunchy pulp bits Jun 28 10:36:15 ? Jun 28 10:36:21 you bathe in that? Jun 28 10:36:30 drink it Jun 28 10:36:33 * KotH would recommend donkey milk Jun 28 10:37:25 av500: http://www.fooducate.com/app#page=product&id=A1F7BEC0-ED11-11E1-83D2-1231381BA074 Jun 28 10:37:29 * Russ backs away from the ass milk Jun 28 10:37:59 definitly hippster stuff Jun 28 10:38:01 KotH: yuck Jun 28 10:38:04 yes Jun 28 10:50:06 why is it not possible to "getPinMode" on Ain# pins (for example P9_33) Jun 28 10:51:09 because, our gods forbid that, when they burned down sodom and gomora Jun 28 10:54:23 wow.. that is very funny.. did you thought on this comeback all by yourself? Jun 28 10:55:10 somebody with IQ bigger then 1, do you know why is it not possible to "getPinMode" on Ain# pins? Jun 28 10:55:22 * kfoltman gets popcorn Jun 28 10:55:38 oe_, cause AIN pins don't have pinmuxing capability Jun 28 10:55:45 they're just analog inputs Jun 28 10:57:08 ok, so in that case, the line "var x = analogRead('P9_33');" gives undefined value in x Jun 28 10:58:41 it gives this error: Jun 28 10:58:42 fs.js:338 return binding.open(pathModule._makeLong(path), stringToFlags(flags), mode); ^ Error: ENOENT, no such file or directory 'undefined/AIN5' Jun 28 10:59:44 let me guess, something hasn't been initialised Jun 28 11:00:20 what do you mean? Jun 28 11:01:16 what does 'undefined' mean in javascript? Jun 28 11:01:44 hint: probably uninitialised variable or object member Jun 28 11:02:10 so instead of /sys/whatever/AIN5 you get undefined/AIN5 Jun 28 11:04:44 ok.. but I tried the in the example window on the BBB site Jun 28 11:05:53 it works as it is, until you add "x = " before b.analogRead Jun 28 11:07:25 have you tried to put some traces in? Jun 28 11:08:02 yes I did Jun 28 11:10:39 it seems that "x=b.analogRead" returns the value "undefind" into x Jun 28 11:14:12 are getting the same problem? Jun 28 11:21:56 also, on the analogRead example in the BBB site, when I connect AA buttery to pin P9_36 it still reads "null" Jun 28 11:34:58 oe_: looks like you have no humor at all... Jun 28 11:35:15 oe_: you should chill a little bit more... get a gf, smoke weed or something Jun 28 11:36:08 or smoke weed with a girlfriend if the single tasks dont help Jun 28 11:36:50 oe_: and i take offense from you assuming that panto has an higher IQ than i have... he is a greek! Jun 28 11:37:52 don't be offended.. don't you have a sense of humor? Jun 28 11:39:19 dont assume you are understanding in jokes :) Jun 28 11:39:26 ant_work: HOB is less than useless Jun 28 11:40:05 why? It creates *another* tmpdir and beautifully fills your disk space... Jun 28 11:40:23 It doesn't do what I want it to do Jun 28 11:40:33 and what it does is more work than the good old cmdline Jun 28 11:40:52 I think it's for real noobs Jun 28 11:40:57 and it's impossible to turn off the "burst into fire" options in the gui Jun 28 11:41:04 so I can't even had it to noobs Jun 28 11:41:11 hand* Jun 28 11:41:18 ^_^ Jun 28 11:41:27 burst into fire options? COOL! Jun 28 11:41:29 what is HOB... so I can avoid it... Jun 28 11:41:51 it's a gtk UI for bitbake Jun 28 11:41:58 what is HOB... so i can use it for my next bomb.. Jun 28 11:41:59 ant_work: I've filed bugs to add a 'kiosk' mode where DISTRO settings cannot be changed, only image features and package lists Jun 28 11:42:19 ant_work: the HOB devs say they don't understand what I mean Jun 28 11:42:36 I've only run it couple of times with distro-less setup just to open a bug against it Jun 28 11:42:51 that's why I asked Jun 28 11:43:47 after recent bb commit now it's all broken, it can't find your con file anymore Jun 28 11:44:19 ant_work: I want a HOB mode where it reads your local.conf and only allows changes that don't affect ABI Jun 28 11:44:23 so online feeds work Jun 28 11:44:35 can't get that through to the HOB devs Jun 28 11:44:51 I see Jun 28 11:45:23 I don't want HOB Jun 28 11:45:26 I think they don't wont any feeds, just autobuilder stuff Jun 28 11:46:10 that's why I have to send you the Narcissus setup files...for the poor end-users Jun 28 11:46:20 right Jun 28 11:46:26 I wish the contract would get signed soon Jun 28 11:46:33 so I get payed to work on narcissus Jun 28 11:46:53 btw it's just tar.gz atm, isn't? Jun 28 11:47:04 ok so hob is a bitbake frontend.. and you want to make it foolproof instead of giving a full-auto switch to shooting yourself in the foot Jun 28 11:47:16 I've put together all the ubi/ubinize stuff, though Jun 28 11:47:22 ant_work: unless you enable other options, but I'm tempted to only allow tarballs from now on Jun 28 11:47:47 I think it's already like this (the new N.) Jun 28 11:47:55 vaizki: to keep it in gun terms: it also has a broken auto sear Jun 28 11:48:00 narcissus / bitbake seemed to be such a pita that I just went with Arch.. sorry... Jun 28 11:49:43 or let's just say that I spent 2 hours trying to find out how to build a custom Ã…ngström image with minimal packages and then gave up Jun 28 11:50:33 the default "demo" distro on the eMMC is great and I really like the productization there but it seems like a huge jump from there to installing only the stuff you need Jun 28 11:50:57 there have been recent changes wrt package-groups Jun 28 11:51:05 'bitbake systemd-image' is fairly mininal Jun 28 11:51:11 enough to get online and test most hw Jun 28 11:51:24 and while I'm just an intermittent linux hack and a lazy ass bastard I still know my way around it better than most people would buy a BB(B) Jun 28 11:52:10 koen, yea but why not make that image downloadable somewhere on the BBB pages or something.. Jun 28 11:52:22 I don't want to learn OE, not really Jun 28 11:52:37 see above for "lazy ass bastard" Jun 28 11:52:41 learn Oe is a myth Jun 28 11:53:11 what do you mean myth? Jun 28 11:53:22 mist Jun 28 11:54:16 it's unfair to say you need OE knowledge to build an image Jun 28 11:55:07 you ought to know your target image, that is Jun 28 11:55:28 yea sure. and koen has made a nice meta-angstrom for us. I got that fat. Jun 28 11:55:30 far! Jun 28 11:55:59 but I didn't want to crap git and OE all over my home linux because I want to keep it clean of extra stuff Jun 28 11:55:59 and Distro people like koen just spent some time putting together some working configuration Jun 28 11:56:15 just some 10 years... Jun 28 11:57:48 sure.. but why not provide a ready-made minimal Ã…ngström image for people to write to a uSD card so that when they boot from that it will show a menu on debug serial to boot into the distro or to wipe eMMC and install it there Jun 28 11:58:07 that would have the noobs who don't want a bloat distro (like me!) covered Jun 28 11:59:13 maybe I just suck at google but I couldn't find such an image anywhere Jun 28 12:01:47 and no, there's no such image for Arch either that I know of... Jun 28 12:02:38 there is one Jun 28 12:02:52 http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ Jun 28 12:03:01 at least the rootfs Jun 28 12:03:23 yea but anything that says Gnome or X is bloat for me Jun 28 12:03:42 Angstrom-systemd-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone.rootfs.tar.xz Jun 28 12:03:49 does that say gnome? Jun 28 12:03:51 or X? Jun 28 12:03:57 ok, it says systemd Jun 28 12:04:01 a red flag for many Jun 28 12:04:08 naah I'm fine with that now Jun 28 12:04:14 I've walked the fire Jun 28 12:04:44 but hey that's great. there should be a big-ass red link in 42 pixel letters from the FAQ to that image Jun 28 12:09:37 maybe I need to start that blog and host some images (not in .xz!) with windows and macos card writing instructions :) Jun 28 12:10:44 vaizki: have you looked at http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ ? Jun 28 12:10:46 instead of whining at you people. but since I like Arch quite a bit not sure I'd have the energy to get into Ã… just to help someone else who will then whine at me Jun 28 12:11:13 koen, I did.. and looked more closely now that av500 pointed me to the image I would have wanted Jun 28 12:11:22 :) Jun 28 12:11:46 if only there was rasbian for BBB Jun 28 12:12:28 getting arch up and running wasn't so bad but arch is no n00b distro either Jun 28 12:13:03 basically I put a uSD card in a USB reader into BBB, booted into Ã…, installed arch on the uSD, booted from the uSD, installed arch on eMMC :) Jun 28 12:13:32 at least now I have an easy to use uSD with arch on it that I can use to quickly set up new BBBs Jun 28 12:14:58 ok some other not-so-n00b friendly things.. serial and network usb gadget drivers weren't loaded by default and when I got them loaded no getty on them. easily fixed if you know your way around systemd.. Jun 28 12:15:36 then someone else would complain that something was preventing them from using the serial ports Jun 28 12:16:25 yea I know. fortunately dhcp client was running so I could get into the BBB because I didn't have ttl-serial -usb thingy at work Jun 28 12:16:41 * KotH wonders why everyone wants to make the bbb n00b friendly Jun 28 12:16:50 maybe they are all noobs Jun 28 12:17:12 it's a development system, you need to know your way around things or should be at least able to learn how to get there Jun 28 12:17:27 it's not a point and click solution Jun 28 12:17:32 it isn't? Jun 28 12:17:40 well the demo image is point-and-click all the way Jun 28 12:17:45 right? Jun 28 12:18:43 that was my original point, the demo image gives you loads of stuff without any effort but if you don't want to use it there's a pretty steep googling experience ahead Jun 28 12:19:14 what are you going to do with the BBB vaizki ? Jun 28 12:19:31 I already replaced my home HVAC monitor RPi with one Jun 28 12:20:10 wasn't the RPi up to the task? Jun 28 12:20:54 it was kinda.. at least when I stopped using UDP for anything because the ethernet on it sucks so hard. but it bricked itself. Jun 28 12:22:22 mostly my projects are right now personal.. environmental monitoring things and also I'm going to do a water management system for my summer cabin Jun 28 12:24:52 there's a bore well (I guess that's the term) there which unfortunately doesn't produce much water.. and during the wintertime when the cabin is not used it clogs up so it needs to be emptied very frequently in the spring to get the silt out and water flowing again.. then there's pumps and a sauna with separate water tanks etc so I want to monitor them all and automate the whole water-circus I'm doing manually now Jun 28 12:25:42 I was going to do it with an Arduino + RPi combo but the unreliability of the RPi put me off that Jun 28 12:26:06 and since it's not a realtime system I'm going to use the BBB Jun 28 12:27:42 if I need something with RT type of control I'll drop in some ATtiny's but I don't think they'll be needed at all. Jun 28 12:29:44 another project is for a solar powered seal colony monitoring thing where I'll probably have a MSP430 + BBB working together to relay sensor data + webcam footage periodically + on triggered events back via 3G modem Jun 28 12:30:13 .. which is why I was asking about the suspend/resume stuff here earlier :) Jun 28 12:31:12 Rickta59: need more detail or is that ok? ;) Jun 28 12:34:53 i was just wondering what people are doing with the BBB Jun 28 12:35:20 seems like a list of interesting things Jun 28 12:35:37 also following with interest the efforts to turn the BBB into a LA/Scope with a Spartan FPGA cape. Jun 28 12:35:46 i was thinking about the msp430 + BBB pairing also Jun 28 12:36:09 that's a pretty cool project Jun 28 12:36:25 I was thinking of a Honda 5hp cape. Jun 28 12:36:41 yea the idea is to have very low power always on MC (the 430) able to detect events and fire up the BBB from suspend Jun 28 12:36:42 With fuel injection control and fuel pump. Jun 28 12:37:12 speed, niice.. hook that up to a baby carriage. Jun 28 12:37:16 yeah i had given that somet thinking also Jun 28 12:37:52 the movie thunderdome came to mind .. master blaster controls thunderdome Jun 28 12:40:26 the suspend/resume on BBB isn't working yet so when I get started on the project in August it will initially be based on just booting up the BBB whenever needed Jun 28 12:53:26 vaizki: suspend works, resume doesn't ") Jun 28 13:13:21 koen, ok well suspend doesn't work in the kernel I'm running .. which is probably good if it can't ever resume Jun 28 13:18:01 tbh I don't even know exactly which kernel I'm running :D Jun 28 13:20:09 vaizki: yeah, I removed the PM patches, they broke other things as well Jun 28 13:20:14 e.g. GPIO access Jun 28 13:20:16 probably the one from this pkgbuild: https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/core/linux-am33x/PKGBUILD Jun 28 13:21:06 yea that's the one... Jun 28 13:23:35 koen, so how painful does the PM seem and how high is it on priority list? Jun 28 13:24:33 I think the BBB has great potential in battery powered / solar applications but especially more so when suspend with sdram refresh works Jun 28 13:26:55 vaizki: i dont know what kind of batteries you use, but the batteries i usually use would be drained in minutes by the bbb :) Jun 28 13:28:56 KotH: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18594__Turnigy_5800mAh_1S_25C_Lipoly_Single_Cell_.html Jun 28 13:28:59 something like that Jun 28 13:30:29 vaizki: last project i did, used two SR48 :) Jun 28 13:31:10 heh.. well.. it probably wasn't a bbb Jun 28 13:32:30 nope... Jun 28 13:34:39 I may also end up using 18650 cells because they are so widely available and easy to remove/replace as needed Jun 28 13:34:54 and they have built in protection circuits if (when) I mess up Jun 28 13:37:48 although it would be spectacularly failourous to have a lipo fire take out my remote station Jun 28 13:39:41 you should never ever use an li-ion or li-poly cells without protection circuit. never ever Jun 28 13:39:54 it's just way to easy to blow them up Jun 28 13:41:04 yea I know.. I have all this li-po powered rc crap Jun 28 13:41:50 punctured a 3S2P 5Ah pack once by dropping it.. wasn't pretty Jun 28 13:42:01 ugh.. Jun 28 13:43:01 one option would be to splurge on a LiFePo4 pack Jun 28 13:43:15 will have to check if the prices have come down in 2 years Jun 28 13:43:23 or rather how mych Jun 28 13:43:27 vaizki: The easy way to do it is to have a large number of cells in parallel, with fuses, and then just charge it like one big cell. Jun 28 13:43:29 dont they have a very high self discharge rate? Jun 28 13:43:33 vaizki: Balancing is annoying Jun 28 13:44:08 SpeedEvil: balancing is necessary if you dont want to blow up your cellpack Jun 28 13:44:13 yea I'm going to run single cell voltage Jun 28 13:44:24 it's not if you run them in parallel not series Jun 28 13:44:25 KotH: Not if you've got all the cells in parallel. Jun 28 13:44:40 SpeedEvil: you still have to balance the charging current Jun 28 13:44:45 nope... Jun 28 13:44:51 KotH: The chemistry does that for you Jun 28 13:44:58 SpeedEvil: you have to ensure that under no circumstances the charging current of any one cell exceeds the safe limits Jun 28 13:45:43 yes and in series that current is exceeded when one cell charges faster and then starts to charge a less charged cell.. when in parallel that doesn't happen Jun 28 13:46:03 SpeedEvil: nope, it doesnt. the charge-voltage curve ensures that in the no-failure case, you get an even charging of all cells. it does not ensure safety limits for the cells Jun 28 13:46:41 KotH: You need to also pay attention to pack temperatre, and not using a pack that is vastly lower than nominal capacity. Jun 28 13:47:06 Limiting the CC to an appropriate figure for the capacity too. Jun 28 13:47:32 KotH: and on LiFePo self discarge I thought it was very good, 2-3% per month Jun 28 13:48:07 vaizki: ok.. then i might have confused them with some other chemsitry Jun 28 13:57:12 I'm running my BBB on golf cart batteries. Jun 28 13:58:50 Two banks of 6V golf cart batteries in series that I can switch between or run in parallel, than using high efficiency dc-dc converter down to 5v for the BBB. Jun 28 13:58:50 that is sub par Jun 28 13:59:19 Why? Jun 28 13:59:22 Oh Jun 28 13:59:29 need lots of amp hours Jun 28 13:59:39 running more than just BBB Jun 28 14:00:35 golf cart lead acid are tough and still the most amp hours for the $$$ Jun 28 14:01:47 morning friends, countrymen, and av500 Jun 28 14:02:33 moaning beertroll Jun 28 14:29:18 a wonderfull good morning prpplague Jun 28 14:30:19 * georgem yawns Jun 28 14:33:32 [kernel] koenkooi created 3.11 (+3 new commits): http://git.io/QYQP2w Jun 28 14:33:32 kernel/3.11 0f4dd7d Koen Kooi: 3.11: start work for 3.11 based on 3.10-rc4... Jun 28 14:33:32 kernel/3.11 4fd7c84 Koen Kooi: 3.11: update to 3.10-rc7, integrate panto topic branches... Jun 28 14:33:32 kernel/3.11 487fc9d Koen Kooi: 3.11: update patchset to match topic branch names... Jun 28 14:47:11 KotH: greetings Jun 28 14:54:56 Has anyone tried da capo benchmark suite on the beaglebone? Jun 28 14:55:26 Franklin_, does that one use a silencer? Jun 28 14:56:01 <_av500_> silence all the benchmarks Jun 28 14:56:07 <_av500_> Franklin_: never heard of it Jun 28 14:56:40 Franklin_: da capo is an anime, not a benchmark... unless you use it as a benchmark for moe Jun 28 14:56:41 _av500_, I need a digest of everything said while I slept....this reading back thru the log before coffee is murder. Jun 28 14:57:16 http://dacapobench.org/ Jun 28 14:57:25 <_av500_> ka6sox: in short: angstrom sucks, angstrom is great Jun 28 14:57:30 lol Jun 28 14:57:42 <_av500_> and ppl discuss pcb traces Jun 28 14:57:44 sadly, that summs it up pretty accurately Jun 28 14:57:48 <_av500_> borink Jun 28 14:57:51 _av500_, thanks! Jun 28 14:58:14 * ka6sox 's day is now getting off to a good start Jun 28 14:58:17 Mourning! Jun 28 14:58:28 MOUHAD! :) Jun 28 14:59:06 The DacapoBenchmark gives me better results on the RaspberryPi than on the BBB?! that's strange Jun 28 14:59:33 Franklin_: doesn't sound like a reliable benchmark to me :D Jun 28 15:00:10 "[compiler] optimization should be switched off for critical software" (an internal software guideline, which nobody has been read since it has been written 10y ago) Jun 28 15:01:07 Franklin_: the benchmark is highly dependend on how the vm has been compiled Jun 28 15:01:40 Franklin_: if you want to have comparable results, you have to ensure that the vm has been tweaked correctly Jun 28 15:01:51 but I want to see the optimization. I am using the same binary package of the JDK on the RPi and BBB Jun 28 15:02:12 which is total bullshit Jun 28 15:02:29 it's like filling up a ferrari and a lorry with diesel and racing them against each other Jun 28 15:02:41 because you want to compare them on same terms! Jun 28 15:03:27 well, for one the ferrari won't start on diesel Jun 28 15:03:27 dm8tbr: sometimes, this is the right test, if it's about who gets more km out of a liter of diesel :) Jun 28 15:04:04 KotH: or i you want to see a ferrari engine disappear in a giant puff of blak smoke and then flames ;) Jun 28 15:04:31 dm8tbr: that'd be fun! :D Jun 28 15:04:36 So you suggest I should compile the VM for each system? Jun 28 15:04:40 pretty sure it's a thing mythbusters could do Jun 28 15:04:58 "Well, we couldn't replicate the myth. But we're still gonna blow some stuff up" Jun 28 15:05:00 if in doubt - C4! Jun 28 15:06:17 but even the java from the apt-get was slower, and there the IcedTea group compiled it for the Beagle Ferrari. Jun 28 15:06:55 dm8tbr, I'm convinced that we should ban coffee creamer Jun 28 15:07:10 just in terms of sheer fireball size Jun 28 15:07:17 :D Jun 28 15:07:23 yeah, that stuff is awesome Jun 28 15:07:27 if used _properly_ Jun 28 15:08:45 "don't do this at home?"? Jun 28 15:09:22 do I dare ask a Beagle Question here? Jun 28 15:12:58 What else could be a reason, that the eclipse benchmark behaves strange on BBB. For 2 cycles it takes 80,000 ms then one cycle 2,000 ms. It jumps between high and low values. The raspBerry starts with 60,000ms and within 7 cycles or less it converges to 20,000ms. So you think I am using wrong Java versions? Jun 28 15:13:52 next we will have to hear why Java Sucks on a BBB Jun 28 15:14:21 err, does rpi even have cpufreq? Jun 28 15:14:50 when you do benchmarks which might do I/O don't use cpufreq Jun 28 15:15:05 ka6sox: java doesn't suck somewhere? Jun 28 15:15:15 O.o Jun 28 15:15:22 kfoltman, haven't found anywhere it doesn't Jun 28 15:15:38 kfoltman, no, it sucks everywhere Jun 28 15:15:53 Franklin_: doing benchmarks correctly requires that you know the systems you are testing very well Jun 28 15:16:07 Franklin_: and you need to specify exactly what you are testing and how you are testing it Jun 28 15:16:35 Franklin_: including all configuration and compilation options of the software you rely on Jun 28 15:17:35 Franklin_: there are tons of reasons why your java could behave like it does Jun 28 15:17:54 Franklin_: you really need to know what you do there, and what you are testing Jun 28 15:18:49 morning spampy KotH Jun 28 15:18:53 *spammy Jun 28 15:19:06 a wonderfull friday jihad to you too! Jun 28 15:19:10 but why spammy? Jun 28 15:19:17 I didn't get why I can't just download oracles binary, like this one: Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment for Embedded (build 1.7.0-b147, headless) and port to my RaspBerry or BBB. Jun 28 15:19:46 hello Jun 28 15:20:04 anyone have any idea if i have a thermistor Jun 28 15:20:07 Franklin_: if you want to test how "out of the box jvm downloads" behave on the bbb and rpi, then that's the right thing to do Jun 28 15:20:16 lachen heraus laut Jun 28 15:20:21 Franklin_: if you want to test how java performs on the bbb and rpi, thats the wrong thing to do Jun 28 15:20:27 which gives me 450 430 etc numbers Jun 28 15:20:32 which is voltage i think Jun 28 15:20:41 how can i change these numbers to tempreature Jun 28 15:21:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermistor#NTC ? Jun 28 15:21:18 Guest69357: get yourself a copy of tietze&schenk, 14th edition Jun 28 15:21:26 Guest69357: it will tell you how to do it Jun 28 15:21:34 KotH: whats that? Jun 28 15:21:39 okay and in which direction do I have to look? I started tutorials on building arm jre Jun 28 15:21:50 Guest69357: that's a book Jun 28 15:22:02 Guest69357: you know, made of paper, with lots of pages, that contain letters Jun 28 15:22:08 KotH: :D this project should be done by today :S Jun 28 15:22:37 Guest69357: forget it, you dont seem to understand how termistors work or are connected to a uC/uP... Jun 28 15:22:44 Guest69357: that's not something you can learn in a day Jun 28 15:22:50 KotH, +1 Jun 28 15:22:55 oh i dont want to learn it :D Jun 28 15:23:01 The Google Generation Jun 28 15:23:08 im using bbb and usbkey, i2c connection Jun 28 15:23:10 they just want you to give them the answer to their problem.... Jun 28 15:23:21 Guest69357: then pay someone do to it for you Jun 28 15:23:21 and i wrote a program to get data from the thermistor Jun 28 15:23:55 Guest69357, is this for your class? Jun 28 15:24:28 ka6sox: very likely Jun 28 15:24:34 ka6sox: he is from uni of new mexico Jun 28 15:24:39 ka6sox: yeah, but we dont have to understand how (voltage changes to temp) Jun 28 15:24:48 wtf? Jun 28 15:25:00 Guest69357: SWITCH TO A REAL UNIVERSITY! NOW! Jun 28 15:25:05 Guest69357: you probably need to know more about your specific thermistor and its behaviour in order to know how temperature maps to your ADC voltage Jun 28 15:25:08 one that teaches understanding Jun 28 15:25:16 the idea was to connect usbkey to bbb Jun 28 15:25:19 which took me weeks Jun 28 15:25:21 to enable i2c Jun 28 15:25:24 o_0 Jun 28 15:25:34 program the usbkey to have i2c Jun 28 15:25:38 .o0(what has this world come to) Jun 28 15:25:44 sigh Jun 28 15:25:45 make a program to take data from the usbkey from bbb Jun 28 15:26:45 Guest69357: look... Jun 28 15:27:05 Guest69357: people here consider getting i2c running a trivial thing (it might still take you a week though) Jun 28 15:27:18 uh just make a calibration curve by measuring temp with a thermocouple while measuring resistance of your thermistor Jun 28 15:27:23 Guest69357: interfacing a thermistor is also trivial, if you understand how it works... and know electronics in general Jun 28 15:27:38 Guest69357: we cannot teach you what you need to know in a day... and dont want to either Jun 28 15:27:43 Guest69357: just use Steinhart and Hart’s law Jun 28 15:28:01 alright Jun 28 15:28:35 you'll need the datasheet of your sensor to apply the law Jun 28 15:28:56 Guest69357: but know this: that's electronics 101, most people i know had this level of stuff in highschool already, though they didn't know (and dont know how to make the connection). so go back to your physics books or electronics books, read them and you will have an enlightenment Jun 28 15:29:35 KotH: that sounds good Jun 28 15:29:43 thanks guys for the advices Jun 28 15:29:48 np Jun 28 15:30:06 well, that was entertaining Jun 28 15:30:32 at least he is intelligent enough to know when to go back and read something Jun 28 15:30:33 das, why? Jun 28 15:30:36 * Ahmed is now known as Guest69357 Jun 28 15:30:48 ^ Jun 28 15:30:50 but i always lose faith in humanity when uni students come with such questions Jun 28 15:30:50 das remember me badly one lame jke sen on #yocto Jun 28 15:30:55 also, oh i dont want to learn it :D Jun 28 15:31:12 *Guest73297 is now known as z2 Jun 28 15:31:13 z2, I thought Guest73297 was pretty catchy as a nick Jun 28 15:31:13 yeah, it took me awhile to think it up - i was becoming pretty Jun 28 15:31:13 attached to it and sorry i had to change Jun 28 15:31:13 bummer Jun 28 15:31:32 das, this is why I call them the "Google Generation" just think every answer is a Google Search away :P Jun 28 15:31:50 I'm from the google generation too :( Jun 28 15:32:32 ka6sox: imho it's the fault of their teachers. teaching by giving problems where they have to follow exact steps to solve them instead of gaining an understanding Jun 28 15:32:48 KotH, even in my uni they did that Jun 28 15:32:52 ka6sox: i'm seeing that kind of thing more and more often Jun 28 15:32:55 (for electronics) Jun 28 15:32:58 uh.. Jun 28 15:33:07 we only had that for OS design basics Jun 28 15:33:12 well, it could be that, or also you studied somth completely different than say embedded systems Jun 28 15:33:15 I learned before that about electronics Jun 28 15:33:20 where giving problems to solve was pointless anyways Jun 28 15:33:31 now my CIS instructors...they threw curve balls. Jun 28 15:33:57 * ka6sox restates for europeans..... Jun 28 15:33:58 das: i stayed away from the embedded system classes at my uni... mostly because they didnt teach you anything substantial Jun 28 15:34:12 well, I didn't even have them :( Jun 28 15:34:32 my Computer Science instructors made life challenging Jun 28 15:35:03 KotH, when I went to Uni...there wasn't anything called "embedded" Jun 28 15:35:05 anyways it's clear you guys have an electronics/embedded/code passion Jun 28 15:35:12 can't really expect everyone to have the same Jun 28 15:35:29 das, the annoying things are common: Jun 28 15:35:37 1) I need to know how to do X Jun 28 15:35:46 2) I don't care to learn really how to do X Jun 28 15:35:57 3) Why can't you just give me the answer Jun 28 15:36:41 ka6sox: well... you are an old fart ;-> Jun 28 15:36:56 ka6sox: cricket has curveballs too :-D Jun 28 15:37:15 XorA, right.... Jun 28 15:37:20 ka6sox: and all sorts of crazy names like googlies :-D Jun 28 15:37:28 yeah, it's true no one really cares about the method to get there anymore Jun 28 15:37:31 das: it's my profession, even Jun 28 15:37:32 java :( Jun 28 15:37:45 KotH: you're a teacher ? Jun 28 15:38:33 XorA, the continentals wouldn't understand that... Jun 28 15:38:39 das: but i dont hold everyone by the same standard. but what i expect is that people who do something should try to get at least a basic understanding of what they are doing. and are not afraid to look up things when they hit something they dont know Jun 28 15:38:54 das: no, i'm not a teacher. but i teach many people :) Jun 28 15:38:58 I am interested into testing java performance on BBB and RPi. So if I can't use Java out of the Box systems, I need to compile them specifically for each board? I want to know how to get there, so if you just throw topics into the room, that would be helpful to study, I would appreciate it. Jun 28 15:39:23 Franklin_, do you torture kittens too? Jun 28 15:39:36 ka6sox: its a secret language we share only with India, Australia and West Indies ;-) Jun 28 15:39:37 :D Jun 28 15:40:21 Franklin_: yes Jun 28 15:40:42 Franklin_: unless you want to have a totally meaningless test that will be invalid by the time you write it Jun 28 15:41:05 Franklin_: for anything meaningfull, you need to control _all_ variables Jun 28 15:41:07 KotH: I guess my point really boils down to the fact that sometimes you rise much higher than mere mortals and forget about it :) Jun 28 15:41:10 bitbake openjdk would be a good start :-D Jun 28 15:41:34 das: in terms of embedded stuff, this channel is the 1% :-) Jun 28 15:42:09 indeed Jun 28 15:45:47 KotH: i wish our pay was the 1% :P Jun 28 15:46:34 mranostay: i wish so too! :-) Jun 28 15:47:09 just out of school so this year I don't get squat ... upper management gets +20% Jun 28 15:47:10 :( Jun 28 15:47:45 well.. i didnt get a raise in 5y Jun 28 15:48:14 KotH: and you didn't quit? Jun 28 15:48:28 not yet Jun 28 15:49:06 you do know that means you make a bit less than when you started? :) Jun 28 15:49:12 still looking for something better... and at the same time trying to hagle about my next pay :) Jun 28 15:49:25 mranostay: inflation in .ch is <1% Jun 28 15:49:57 KotH: that is almost too low to be good Jun 28 15:50:26 if you'd had your federal reserves in chocolate instead of cold, you'd have the same inflation rate ;) Jun 28 15:50:34 s/cold/gold/ Jun 28 15:51:38 just quit and go sailing its more fun Jun 28 15:51:53 KotH: how's that possible ? don't they have a 1.20 rule vs euro ? Jun 28 15:52:44 das: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/inflation-cpi Jun 28 15:53:09 alright, I don't get economics Jun 28 15:53:21 it's slightly deflationist Jun 28 15:53:34 so they buy euros but don't print more chf ? Jun 28 15:53:39 das: 1eur was about 1.5chf before the 1.20 rule Jun 28 15:54:00 das: ie, switzerland had during the euro crisis a huge deflation, within a couple of weeks Jun 28 15:54:23 and the rule wasnt implemented until after the worst things were over Jun 28 15:54:39 also, during that time chf was highly overvalued Jun 28 15:55:25 what's not overvalued today ? obligations? actions ? :) Jun 28 15:56:49 us dollar Jun 28 15:57:13 oh.. and knowlege Jun 28 15:57:18 knowledge Jun 28 15:57:35 so you expect the USD to go up ? Jun 28 15:58:17 when Bernanke just blabbed about thinking about evaluating the optional perspective that maybe someday if all goes right then maybe the QE will stop Jun 28 16:02:04 well, time to go home and enjoy fine alcohol Jun 28 16:18:26 hello Jun 28 16:18:47 KotH: does your currency have holes in it? Jun 28 16:19:44 i have a question about making a bot and dont know if this is the place to ask it but basically i want to input alot of questions and answers that was made by a community so the bot can search those with a command and then pull them out of the huge list if that makes sense? Jun 28 16:21:56 mranostay: chocolate donuts? Jun 28 16:22:07 as good as currency as any Jun 28 16:23:18 nick___: this is called 'google' Jun 28 16:24:22 dont you think i've tried that already Jun 28 16:24:27 bitch ass faggot Jun 28 16:26:58 lulz Jun 28 16:27:43 and no I meant that google implemented his 'bot' idea already Jun 28 16:27:44 dm8tbr: well he told you Jun 28 16:28:06 ya, wonder which of the community answers that was Jun 28 16:42:22 dm8tbr, +1 Jun 28 16:54:28 huh, it seems like capemgr is ignoring my boot options Jun 28 16:55:06 dmesg is saying Skipping loading of disabled cape with part# BB-BONELT-HDMI Jun 28 16:56:11 ~seen djlewis Jun 28 16:56:57 but then i still see 5: ff:P-O-- Bone-Black-HDMI,00A0,Texas Instrument,BB-BONELT-HDMI Jun 28 16:57:06 i thought i had this working yesterday Jun 28 17:05:51 and capemgr.enable_partno seems to just not work Jun 28 18:47:31 mranostay, Is there a bone Cape version of the Adafruit SPI diplay for Arduino? Jun 28 18:47:46 I see you added some dts to the capes on one of those Jun 28 18:49:11 http://www.adafruit.com/products/802 Jun 28 18:49:24 the adafruit one for the bone is a protocape Jun 28 18:51:40 [kernel] mattlaue opened pull request #46: 3.8 (3.8...3.8) http://git.io/lEharQ Jun 28 18:52:23 mranostay, so basically you bought http://www.adafruit.com/products/358 and soldered it to http://www.adafruit.com/products/572 ? Jun 28 18:55:11 yes Jun 28 18:56:29 okie dokie Jun 28 18:57:36 still only one USB on the new bone ? Jun 28 19:03:08 only? Jun 28 19:03:11 get a hub Jun 28 19:03:37 joel_: doing a demo? Jun 28 19:04:56 mranostay, testing DMA to make sure SPI works Jun 28 19:06:19 bbiab Jun 28 19:25:20 hello all ! i am new to all this. I have a Beagleboard XM and i would like to control 8 relays (10A @ 240VAC) and about 3 or 4 sensors (temperature, humidity, light, water level...). By now i don't know if they will be analog or digital. My question is : is the Beagleboard able to manage this ? Jun 28 19:25:35 yes Jun 28 19:26:18 wow ! fast answer ! what would you recommend ? i2c, gpio ....? Jun 28 19:26:35 use fets or optoisolaters in between the beaglebone and relays Jun 28 19:27:08 i'm using gpio for relays, and i2c for sensors Jun 28 19:29:13 for relays i intend to use this : http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=9&product_id=3051_1 - is that suitable with BB ? Jun 28 19:29:26 and maybe SSR in a second time Jun 28 19:30:10 you can use whatever you want so long as you don't try to draw too much current from the BBB. Jun 28 19:30:27 it can't source more than a few mA Jun 28 19:31:41 with these board i need 5V max for command (x8) Jun 28 19:33:03 you mean i will need a relay to drive the relay command ? Jun 28 19:33:24 yeah you can easily turn on the relays with gpio, just use a the gpio pins to drive a fet that turns on the relay. Jun 28 19:33:50 great ! Jun 28 19:34:15 go read the adafruit led toggle and gpio python library tutorials Jun 28 19:47:17 do you confirm that reading sensor values is as simple as reading a file is /sys/bus/i2c and power on/off the relay is as easy as writing a file in /sys/bus/gpio ? Jun 28 20:18:49 argh, one of the owners comes over and plugs a laser printer into my UPS battery side... Jun 28 20:23:35 Swap out the plugs. Jun 28 20:24:00 djlewis: so he can print "No Power" signs during a blackout? ;) Jun 28 20:24:33 well he caused a blackout Jun 28 20:24:43 * mranostay knows blackouts well Jun 28 20:24:52 are we talking the same thing? Jun 28 20:25:06 mranostay: turn off all the x86 boards! Jun 28 20:25:07 lol Jun 28 20:25:10 mranostay: this is not related to glue and a brown paper bag. Jun 28 20:25:32 hey i take offense to that Jun 28 20:26:24 I hope nobody takes my fence is was hard work putting it up. Jun 28 20:26:45 djlewis: yeah... I haven't gotten to that yet Jun 28 20:26:48 is it electrified ? that'd be a solution Jun 28 20:26:58 djlewis: what does ur fence specialize in? Jun 28 20:27:26 keeping neighbors and their scruffy pets out. Jun 28 20:28:13 ds2: recall I live out in the country. Jun 28 20:28:33 me too Jun 28 20:28:47 didn't think u have neighbors Jun 28 20:29:14 well... I live just almost in the country. Jun 28 20:30:13 I'm going to need a six pack tonight. Been writing test automation scripts all day Jun 28 20:32:42 shit, 10 minutes into the test and another damn typo Jun 28 20:33:14 better then 2 days in Jun 28 20:33:46 georgem: Well - as long as it doesn't end up throwing a ten ton chunk of red hot steel half a mile into a school. Jun 28 20:34:00 georgem: my new livin girlfriend supplies vittles, Jack Daniels and all the beer I can drink. :) Jun 28 20:34:16 she a fridge ? Jun 28 20:34:21 lol Jun 28 20:34:31 she in the brewing biz? Jun 28 20:34:43 SpeedEvil: I did the automation for one of the largest steel mills in the US. lol Jun 28 20:35:10 :) Jun 28 20:35:21 dont want that big ol bucket of molten steel pouring just any ol place. Jun 28 20:35:42 georgem: is that where you automatically toss in random number of ball bearings into the ingots just as they cool? Jun 28 20:39:14 ds2: I didn't work on that part if they did that there. Part I worked on was rolling sheet metal coils, inspecting them and moving them around. I actually mainly just ported code from a legacy system to modern hardware. Jun 28 20:40:31 georgem: oh...nothing too exciting Jun 28 20:40:39 I saw the keywords porting and legacy. you're a good man :) Jun 28 20:43:28 yeah... crazy things people will do for money Jun 28 20:44:06 steel mills and liquid nitrogen are fun combos Jun 28 20:44:16 better then working with software Jun 28 20:44:59 8 relays means 8 gpio port or is there another way to plug them ? Jun 28 20:45:25 there are numerous ways Jun 28 20:45:50 what would you suggest ? Jun 28 20:46:03 depends on application Jun 28 20:46:10 and resources available Jun 28 20:46:22 for only 8, probably just use gpio like you said if you have enough pins Jun 28 20:46:38 8 independant relays acting upon sensors values Jun 28 20:46:47 *nods* Jun 28 20:47:21 ? Jun 28 20:48:31 yeah, just use gpio outputs if still have enough free pins to get data from the sensors you need Jun 28 20:48:58 sensors will be pluged into i2c Jun 28 20:49:03 <_av500_> want: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221041862704 Jun 28 20:49:14 you do know you can't just put a relay on a GPIO, right? Jun 28 20:49:28 joel_: you're using DMA with SPI? Jun 28 20:49:53 "you do know you can't just put a relay on a GPIO, right?" what do you mean ? Jun 28 20:50:09 mean fets ? Jun 28 20:50:21 _av500_: I used to have a shirt that glowed when 2.4ghz was present Jun 28 20:50:37 you need drivers Jun 28 20:50:46 and proper back EMF, etc Jun 28 20:50:58 * dwery suggests an optocoupler, jut to be safe... Jun 28 20:51:26 ok but an octocoupler is not a driver Jun 28 20:51:47 depends on the OC Jun 28 20:51:55 get a BIG one Jun 28 20:52:06 cheaper and easier to use a few transistors/diodes Jun 28 20:52:31 if it's a one off prototype, I'd suggest an OC Jun 28 20:52:45 less connections, less things that could go wrong Jun 28 20:53:10 buffer chips are cheaper than opto's....an I/O expander could do both and simplify code and reduce used pins by communicating with I2C or SPI Jun 28 20:53:22 why do i need a driver ? i have just to send a voltage throw gpio to the relay command (breakboard) ? Jun 28 20:53:47 you need to drive the relay Jun 28 20:53:50 with powers Jun 28 20:54:02 electronics 101 needed here Jun 28 20:54:03 like a 12v supply or something Jun 28 20:54:08 do you know what a relay is? Jun 28 20:54:24 even the low voltage side of a relay requires a current Jun 28 20:54:29 my relay command is drived by 5V, the power is another thing Jun 28 20:54:34 and it's often more current than a microprocessor can handle Jun 28 20:54:58 who'd pull current from the uC ? Jun 28 20:55:12 someone that wants a smoked board Jun 28 20:55:31 A few small relays may not be a big deal, but 8 is really pushing it. They may draw enough current to burn something up. Jun 28 20:55:51 just trying to keep the advise generic - more robust chips like an AVR in an arduino can push up to 20mA quite happily Jun 28 20:56:07 first thing to do is figure out what is a relay Jun 28 20:56:18 I itend to dribe 8 relays 10A@250VAC Jun 28 20:56:26 *intend Jun 28 20:56:34 *drive Jun 28 20:56:37 thats nutty, just do something like this http://www.susa.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Relay-Sample.png Jun 28 20:56:48 krisfr92 that is the output, you also need to concern with the input. Jun 28 20:56:50 <_av500_> dwery: not a yoctocoupler? Jun 28 20:57:11 _av500_: that might work as well! Jun 28 20:58:02 krisfr92: that's for home automation or smth ? Jun 28 20:58:04 i've seen this , ans seems "easy" : http://blogspot.tenettech.com/?p=1323 Jun 28 20:58:26 for automation (what do you mean smth ? ) Jun 28 20:58:29 _av500_: hard to find tweezers for that size Jun 28 20:58:37 somthing Jun 28 20:58:44 automation so Jun 28 20:59:00 I hate when I see so many flying cables... Jun 28 20:59:20 stop giving the cables red bull! Jun 28 20:59:25 XD Jun 28 20:59:30 "I hate when I see so many flying cables..." this is just the "packaging" ;) Jun 28 20:59:47 that's asking for trouble ;) Jun 28 21:00:58 What i regret in this video is that we cannot see the wiring on the BB side Jun 28 21:02:27 "that's for home automation or smth ?" garden automation to be axact Jun 28 21:04:21 i am thinking about digital sensors instead analog because of the cable lenght. It makes sens ? Jun 28 21:05:18 *length Jun 28 21:06:21 i would like 5 to 10 meters for cable length Jun 28 21:11:05 kfoltman: For what sort of sensors? Jun 28 21:11:22 SpeedEvil: wrong channel? Jun 28 21:11:30 krisfr92: Jun 28 21:11:43 ah wrong nick :) Jun 28 21:12:06 Sensors : temperature / humidity / water level Jun 28 21:12:14 light ... Jun 28 21:12:56 maybe i am not in the right place...in this case, sorry.... Jun 28 21:13:06 krisfr92: ##electronics may be more appropriate Jun 28 21:13:59 what is the water level sensor? Jun 28 21:16:42 when it works out mail me a bud :P Jun 28 21:17:47 "##electronics may be more appropriate" ok got this Jun 28 21:17:56 a water level sensor is something like this http://www.gotronic.fr/cat-niveau-1136.htm Jun 28 21:19:25 oh simple switch ones Jun 28 21:19:35 "when it works out mail me a bud :P" it is actually working, but with a Phidgets 8/8/8 plugged into the BB. I would like to bypass the Phidgets 8/8/8 http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=0&product_id=1018_2 Jun 28 21:22:33 I stuck 5 3.3V -> 120V relays in a surge protector power strip, and ran control wires directly to my BB. It worked fine. I was running a pattern off 5 channels of christmas lights with it. Jun 28 21:22:57 Go there https://88.177.138.193/greenbox and you will see that it is working (login as admin/admin) Jun 28 21:23:11 You get a bad relay that sucks some current or some other anomoly and your likely to toast something though. Jun 28 21:24:16 why do you think that ? Jun 28 21:25:34 nothing is toast Jun 28 21:25:54 values are right : it's hot that normal Jun 28 21:26:14 If you exceed ratings on chips, they don't reliably die the next day. Jun 28 21:26:24 They may continue working for weeks, years, ore ven ever. Jun 28 21:26:26 ah that is interresting. HTTPS didn't work though. Jun 28 21:26:31 But they may die at the most inconvenient time. Jun 28 21:26:34 I'd keep that phidgets thing Jun 28 21:27:04 "If you exceed ratings on chips, they don't reliably die the next day" i have defined tresholds in my automation Jun 28 21:27:30 Sure is cold in your place Temperature -61.1 °C Jun 28 21:27:46 "HTTPS didn't work though" i 'am talking about HHTP only Jun 28 21:28:08 and keeping the phidgets thing allows more sensor pins on BBB Jun 28 21:28:11 the link was https , I swapped it and it worked. Jun 28 21:28:28 "Sure is cold in your place Temperature -61.1 °C" lol ! yeah sometimes wrong values occured for a ms, just refersh Jun 28 21:28:55 that is not my main problem Jun 28 21:29:04 I'd grab me some I2C I/O expanders and some optocouplers and go that route. Jun 28 21:29:17 i just wanna bypass Phydgets as BB is able to manage all that Jun 28 21:29:58 you'd still want to isolate or at least buffer off board inputs/outputs Jun 28 21:30:09 even if it was digital Jun 28 21:30:33 get that little static pop and you burn out an GPIO Jun 28 21:32:05 how to avoid the GPIO buen ? by buffering as you said? Jun 28 21:32:19 *burn Jun 28 21:32:50 yes, either a buffer or a opto. The opto isolates your circuit from the other completely. The buffer chip just limits everything but they are still connected and share a ground. Jun 28 21:34:20 Isolation is probably a whole topic for electronics :P Jun 28 21:35:06 ok, sorry to be a newbie, i'd like to learn more and more about all that and drive my project to the next level Jun 28 21:35:12 "Isolation is probably a whole topic for electronics :P" still got this Jun 28 21:35:50 the principle of an opto is the same as a relay, but the cost is lower in the long run, they don't wear out, they are faster, have no moving parts, etc.. Jun 28 21:37:18 but we cannot replace relays by octo for the power i need, right ? Jun 28 21:38:55 I'm not sure what the kind of optos they have, but I know we output and input 120 A/C on ours and read a digital 3.3V to a micro rather easily. The amperage you are dealing with may be a limitting factor. Jun 28 21:39:52 Amperage is 10A, later i intend to use a SSR relay at 25 or 40A Jun 28 21:40:22 all that is for 240 VAC Jun 28 21:40:44 That strikes me as pretty high. You may be stuck with a relay, or an opto driving something else. Jun 28 21:42:51 I've gotta run, good luck. Jun 28 21:42:58 he done it with an Arduino : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzaTzBU_I4c Jun 28 21:44:51 I hate drivers. Jun 28 21:45:24 Kristina: it is friday be happy Jun 28 21:45:45 I ended up constructing some sort of a ghetto Linux compat layer. Jun 28 21:45:49 I think there was a command that I could run on my beaglebone black to help me to identify what revision of board it is, does anyone know what command I can run to find that out please? Jun 28 21:45:53 So I could get this stupid GPIO driver to work Jun 28 21:54:50 get the reference manual for your card Jun 28 22:11:01 its waaaay too stinking hoit Jun 28 22:11:41 at least you are not in vegas or phoenix Jun 28 22:14:44 I feel so spoiled, it only got to around 100 Jun 28 22:16:04 * vvu feels so good with his 23 deg. celsius AC on Jun 28 22:30:14 i wanna make my beagleboard able to drive 8 relays 10A@250VAC, any clues ? Jun 28 22:30:35 krisfr92: use a fet with 8 relays Jun 28 22:31:19 hire someone Jun 28 22:31:20 krisfr92: have a look at the reference schematic for the Bacon Cape - http://www.elinux.org/Bacon_Cape Jun 28 22:31:23 250VAC is dangerous Jun 28 22:31:23 ds2: hehe Jun 28 22:31:32 I just had reqed one of these saved myself the trouble: http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html Jun 28 22:31:36 ds2: and so are newbies Jun 28 22:31:42 prpplague: 250VAC is not foriving Jun 28 22:31:47 ds2: indeed Jun 28 22:31:58 messing up relays may fry a BBB but 250VAC will fry the person Jun 28 22:32:23 Hey, playing with high voltage is fun Jun 28 22:32:47 Arduino able to do that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzaTzBU_I4c Jun 28 22:33:06 (120 vac sine it is us voltage) Jun 28 22:33:11 it is not the board, it is the person Jun 28 22:33:38 ds2: hehe Jun 28 22:33:50 you can control relays with a 555 and a 4017 Jun 28 22:34:21 krisfr92: look if you don't know how to do it, you probably shouldn't be.... if you insist on doing it anyway, use a product that is specifically designed to be safe and intended for that use - http://www.powerswitchtail.com/Pages/PSTIIU.aspx Jun 28 22:34:37 ds2: or a potato and some metal rods Jun 28 22:34:42 secret to dealing with high-voltage. Cut the power before your screw with it Jun 28 22:35:14 krisfr92: sorry old link - http://www.powerswitchtail.com/Pages/PSTKKit.aspx Jun 28 22:35:40 georgem_home: have you met mr capacitor? Jun 28 22:35:57 a nippy fellow Jun 28 22:37:48 prpplague, sync up? Jun 28 22:38:18 Russ: sorry bud, we are on the home stretch with minnowboards ATM, no time.... Jun 28 22:38:27 enjoy the crunch Jun 28 22:38:56 if it is faster then the FRI2's that's a reason to celebrate ;) Jun 28 22:39:21 ds2: yeah... don't go touching caps either Jun 28 22:40:44 u can laugth...i don't care, i've already deal with such current, electrical part security is under control, actually here is my prototype Jun 28 22:40:46 http://88.177.138.193/greenbox/public/CIMG4087_small.jpg Jun 28 22:41:29 http://88.177.138.193/greenbox/public/CIMG4088small.jpg Jun 28 22:41:49 BeagleBoard and relays are under Jun 28 22:42:09 cool Jun 28 22:42:49 thanks Jun 28 22:43:18 Sure i won't plus 250 VAC on the Beagle !!!! Jun 28 22:43:24 *plug Jun 28 22:43:27 heh Jun 28 22:44:09 The beagle will just be here to send the command signal to the relay board Jun 28 22:44:54 yeah Jun 28 22:45:59 krisfr92: if you already have it working with BeagleBoard, why is there a question? Jun 28 22:46:00 arduino is a really good i/o bitch Jun 28 22:46:20 and Beagle is not ? Jun 28 22:47:25 Well... I think the arduino mega probably has more I/O than a beagle for a fraction of the cost. Jun 28 22:47:26 ...are those exposed bus bars? Jun 28 22:47:58 Russ: what are you talking about? The din rail? Jun 28 22:48:01 here a relative big load relay into Beagle http://blogspot.tenettech.com/?p=1323 Jun 28 22:48:05 ok, just rails :) Jun 28 22:48:44 what u mean ?? Jun 28 22:49:51 and yes i insist :) Jun 28 22:50:20 I think russ was just confused by the din rail Jun 28 22:51:12 "...are those exposed bus bars?" i don't understand tour question... Jun 28 22:51:21 *your Jun 28 22:51:44 http://0.tqn.com/d/homerepair/1/0/D/0/-/-/bus_bar.jpg Jun 28 22:51:44 * georgem_home passes krisfr92 a beer Jun 28 22:52:03 in a circuit breaker, the individual breakers attach to bus bars Jun 28 22:54:11 Russ: knew someone who had a breaker box near the door of their attached garage. It was openand the box was not far from the light switch either ;) Jun 28 22:55:19 you stick something in there, and the room will light up all right Jun 28 22:56:57 your picture is as small as a stamp, here is how i've wired all the power part : http://88.177.138.193/greenbox/public/Visio-schema_global.pdf Jun 28 22:57:02 Hey, you want crazy. I have pics somewhere of a guy in Venezuela shooting a crossbow with grounded line onto a 69 KV transmission line to test the protection system. One of my co-workers took it. Jun 28 22:58:02 thanks for the beer ;) Jun 28 22:59:16 The power is dissociated from the command, i just have to send 5V to the command to put the relay on Jun 28 22:59:20 or off Jun 28 22:59:39 yeah. I know :) Jun 28 22:59:50 hello everyone i have a quick question about beaglebone black Jun 28 23:00:12 georgem_home: that is a 11 on the nutty scale Jun 28 23:00:18 is it possible to boot from an sd card without flashing the image on the actual board? Jun 28 23:00:24 like can I keep both? Jun 28 23:00:27 electric part is protected by Circuit breaker@6A (2A on my scheme but 6A in real life) Jun 28 23:00:28 mranostay: also 11 on the awesome scale Jun 28 23:00:51 ny444, yes Jun 28 23:01:34 could you possibly tell me how or provide link? Jun 28 23:03:28 emeb: are you there? Jun 28 23:03:50 mrpackethead, he probably melted Jun 28 23:05:43 Russ, naw..he is used to it Jun 28 23:07:30 Anyone as tried to send a term signal (reboot) to the Linux throw a switch button ? Jun 28 23:07:37 *has Jun 28 23:07:39 ka6sox: you might be able to help . Jun 28 23:07:47 mrpackethead, 42 Jun 28 23:07:50 you know those tiny SO70 logic ics on teh BCC Jun 28 23:07:57 yes Jun 28 23:08:01 the Muxes Jun 28 23:08:17 mrpackethead: I'm here Jun 28 23:08:21 whazzup? Jun 28 23:08:22 ahh, level shifter Jun 28 23:08:24 * ka6sox backs off.... Jun 28 23:08:28 the SO70 chips Jun 28 23:08:47 I'm struggling to be able to identify which pin is 1 Jun 28 23:08:53 not level shifters - 2-input MUX. Jun 28 23:09:04 heh - yes - the silkscreen is not good. Jun 28 23:09:20 I reversed from teh schematic Jun 28 23:09:25 so i can work otu which way the chip should be Jun 28 23:10:01 but i can't seem to work out which pin is pin 1 on the chip Jun 28 23:10:08 On U303 pin 1 is towards C315 Jun 28 23:10:37 yes, i can work out the oritentation on teh board shoudl be Jun 28 23:10:51 but i cna't actually identify pin 1 on the IC Jun 28 23:10:53 Right Jun 28 23:11:05 There should be a bar on the pin 1 end. Jun 28 23:11:11 ahh ok Jun 28 23:11:15 i think i see that Jun 28 23:11:15 Great one of the farmers down wind spread manuerur all over his field Jun 28 23:11:32 i looked at the datasheets Jun 28 23:11:41 and it gave no clue Jun 28 23:11:54 I've got two that i've built that are both pulling lots of currnet Jun 28 23:11:57 right Jun 28 23:12:07 the 3.3V regulator gets very hot Jun 28 23:12:10 You should see text on the top "|6LF" Jun 28 23:12:16 with pin 1 on the end with the bar. Jun 28 23:12:18 yes, thats the one Jun 28 23:12:48 i'm just at the process of pulling of parts Jun 28 23:12:53 to see what is breaking it Jun 28 23:12:54 :-( Jun 28 23:13:16 What's wrong? Jun 28 23:13:32 Ah - regulator... Jun 28 23:13:45 Usually that means you've got a part in backwards. Jun 28 23:14:16 check those EEPROM / Flash chips. I got the Flash part in backwards once. Jun 28 23:14:21 yes. Jun 28 23:14:33 I'll recheck everything Jun 28 23:18:33 So, any chance to have a 10A @250VAC relay controlled by the Beagle on GPIO ? Jun 28 23:19:08 one again, just the command, the power is provided outside Jun 28 23:19:47 you'd have to see if 3.3V is enough, if the current provided is enough, and be sure to protect against back emf Jun 28 23:20:57 krisfr92: What sort of relay? Jun 28 23:21:01 what do u mean emf (sorry i'm french) ? Jun 28 23:22:19 relay 10@250VAC lijke this http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=9&product_id=3051_1 Jun 28 23:22:47 Vinductor =~ L*dI/dt Jun 28 23:22:51 krisfr92: haha, french that explains it. (j/k I make fun of french my wife is from Quebec) Jun 28 23:23:19 turning off usually means I goes N to 0 in a very small time Jun 28 23:23:31 krisfr92: You just need to change the gpio line Jun 28 23:23:47 that means Vinductor can be very large Jun 28 23:24:06 krisfr92: http://bbfordummies.blogspot.com/2009/07/1.html Jun 28 23:26:13 georgem_home: so you live in kansas and are married to a quebecian (sp?) Jun 28 23:26:27 mranostay: yup, lol Jun 28 23:27:19 krisfr92: It sort of implies that it drives the relays itself, so you don't need to worry about any problems, it will just work Jun 28 23:27:23 georgem_home : that just is what i was thinking ! no need of octocouplers or whatever Jun 28 23:27:25 When hooked to a GPIO Jun 28 23:28:55 krisfr92: yeah, I dont think you need anything like that. you already have it working with an arduino right? its basically the same thing Jun 28 23:30:00 no, have it worrking with a Beagle and a Phidget 8/8/8 (http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=0&product_id=1018_2) plugged into one of the Beagle usb port Jun 28 23:31:07 krisfr92: but you want to do it without the Phidget, right? Jun 28 23:31:17 right Jun 28 23:32:46 so it is the same, great ! just need to write /sys/bus ? Jun 28 23:33:04 well, let me look at this thing Jun 28 23:34:13 krisfr92: yeah, looks about the same because the phidget says Digital Output Current Max which means you probably already have a different power source driving the relays. Jun 28 23:34:36 Digital Output Current Max = 16ma I mean Jun 28 23:37:05 here is how the relay board is plugged into the Phidgets controller http://www.phidgets.com/docs/3051_User_Guide Jun 28 23:38:35 oh, ok you're using this 3051 which is basically what I'm talking about. gpio outputs can't source much current so if you have a big relay you need to use a transistor to use a 5v (or 12v or 24v depending on the relay) to actually power the relay. It looks like this does this with a 9v battery Jun 28 23:41:09 Gross, trying to grill outside when it smells like dookie is no fun Jun 28 23:41:21 to me, the battery is here to light the bulb, the on/off command is send by point 5 (digital outout) Jun 28 23:42:55 *output Jun 28 23:44:23 ok, yeah. You're right. There is another cable going to the board. Let me see what that does Jun 28 23:51:51 krisfr92: it looks like the black connector is probably for powering the relays. It says Current Consumption Min: 14 mA, Current Consumption Max: 180 mA, Supply Voltage Min: 3.3VDC, Supply Voltage Max: 12VDC Jun 28 23:52:24 in your current configuration where do you hook the black connector to? Jun 28 23:53:28 number 1 ? Jun 28 23:54:14 http://www.phidgets.com/wiki/images/thumb/1/17/3051_1_Connecting_The_Hardware.jpg/400px-3051_1_Connecting_The_Hardware.jpg #4 there. Looks like it hooks to the phidget board Jun 28 23:55:57 Are you planning on using the 3051 board with the beagle? Jun 28 23:56:35 As i have a phidgets 8/8/8 board it is plugged just as the scheme Jun 28 23:56:56 yes i intend to use a 3051 with the beagle Jun 28 23:58:04 as i have already 4 of them Jun 28 23:58:14 (8 relays) Jun 28 23:58:51 You probably want to take the 5v that is powering the beagle and hook it to the black connector on the 3051. Jun 29 00:03:38 Anyone using an Edimax USB Wifi on the BBB? Jun 29 00:04:58 yes ! Jun 29 00:05:39 krisfr92 how did you get it working? Jun 29 00:06:08 I've tried everything and still no luck, bought my BBB a few days after it came out, been trying for weeks now Jun 29 00:07:15 by connecting the 8/8/8 to a BB usb port, and some programming Jun 29 00:08:31 maybe i am not clear enough....? Jun 29 00:08:43 yeah that didn't help at all :p Jun 29 00:08:57 brendan_: what did you do? do you have a drawing or something? Jun 29 00:09:28 I'm pretty new with linux, so i'm stuck only doing what i can learn Jun 29 00:09:47 but i've done litterally every Beaglebone USB Wifi tutorial/documentation/anything Jun 29 00:09:59 just a minute, i improve a scheme Jun 29 00:10:02 How is the hardware hooked up? Jun 29 00:10:09 over USB Jun 29 00:10:21 direct in, no hub Jun 29 00:10:23 oh... krisfr92 already got that working I thiink Jun 29 00:10:41 2A power supply Jun 29 00:10:48 brendan : i can help you on Linux, maybe.... Jun 29 00:11:05 please do! is your BB Black running angstrom or ubuntu? Jun 29 00:14:32 Debian...to me, the best Jun 29 00:15:14 So how did you get the drivers working right and everything? Jun 29 00:15:21 7 Jun 29 00:15:28 I don't have a BB black but BBXM, Ubuntu is as fine as Debian Jun 29 00:16:01 oh, i think its different for the BB black because everything i've tried for the other beagles hasn't worked Jun 29 00:16:10 what kind og drivers ? Jun 29 00:16:21 *of Jun 29 00:16:26 wifi drivers Jun 29 00:19:44 from breakout board ? Jun 29 00:39:11 omg ghetto BBB Jun 29 00:39:15 or just bb Jun 29 00:39:25 here a link to the scheme http://88.177.138.193/greenbox/public/unitary_wiring.pdf (avoing ground, replacing white wire by green wire) Jun 29 00:45:21 @brendan ; u have to define your wifi chipset Jun 29 00:45:35 first Jun 29 00:51:18 georgem_home : still there ? sorry for delay.... Jun 29 00:59:41 Hi, anyone knows if the SPI is working on BB-xm using kernel v3.7.10(rcn-ee). Because I'm getting this issue http://pastebin.com/SDCU2MtU Jun 29 01:05:04 krisfr92: still here kind of. doing other stuff AFK as well Jun 29 01:06:33 ok Jun 29 01:18:36 krisfr92: The 8/8/8 board has no power source other than USB? Jun 29 01:24:35 I suspect that board gets power from USB to drive the relays. Jun 29 02:27:49 prpplague, care to share a linky that goes along with your g+ post? Jun 29 02:29:42 Russ: which post? Jun 29 02:29:47 gkh Jun 29 02:30:03 Russ: hehe, ok i was just joking with gkh Jun 29 02:30:17 ah, so there is no actual lkml posting Jun 29 02:35:32 Russ: no just a joke with gkh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 29 02:59:58 2013