**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 30 02:59:58 2013 Jun 30 03:01:31 "bikes" Jun 30 03:01:43 does that mean human powered, or otherwise Jun 30 03:04:14 human powered Jun 30 03:04:30 * emeb_mac rides for exercise Jun 30 03:05:05 mrpackethead: any luck w/ your BCC? Jun 30 03:05:15 just got back to play Jun 30 03:05:30 * emeb_mac has his BBB on the network and is sshed in Jun 30 03:05:43 (with BCC attached) Jun 30 03:06:08 same here Jun 30 03:09:45 mrpackethead: when you program the BCC here's what it should look like: http://pastebin.com/Lx4T2Kbs Jun 30 03:10:22 when i compilel the tool Jun 30 03:10:33 i dont' get data.boin Jun 30 03:10:53 data.boin? Jun 30 03:10:54 ahh Jun 30 03:10:56 doh. Jun 30 03:10:59 got to run it Jun 30 03:11:00 :-) Jun 30 03:11:09 i was expecting data.bin out of the compiler Jun 30 03:12:15 the Makefile should give you a bcc_tool executable Jun 30 03:13:02 and hopefully you have a blinky.bit from building the test design in Xilinxn ISE Jun 30 03:21:01 ok, i can write and read tot eh eeprom Jun 30 03:21:05 what next Jun 30 03:23:13 mrpackethead: try loading the FPGA? Jun 30 03:23:45 but first you need to check if the spi port is available Jun 30 03:24:22 right Jun 30 03:24:25 emeb's BCC school is in session. Jun 30 03:24:26 that must be what Josh was doing Jun 30 03:24:36 he was patching the DTC Jun 30 03:24:55 mrpackethead: instructions on ka6sox's github Jun 30 03:25:06 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f32c376c93c68ce49eb8 < --- reading the eeprom Jun 30 03:25:49 ?? Jun 30 03:25:50 where Jun 30 03:28:18 whowhatwhere? Jun 30 03:28:32 wheres your github and instructions Jun 30 03:29:01 https://github.com/ka6sox/bcc_software <-- i'm looking at this Jun 30 03:29:12 gpt the eeprom programmed Jun 30 03:30:08 what do i do next? Jun 30 03:36:42 Dinner Jun 30 03:37:30 can i send you soem Jun 30 03:37:31 :-) Jun 30 03:38:45 its on Jun 30 03:44:15 * mranostay bikes in Jun 30 03:47:34 does the DT all need to be working Jun 30 03:47:35 first? Jun 30 03:47:47 enough Jun 30 03:48:55 mrpackethead: you're sure you don't have spi already? do "ls /dev/spi*" Jun 30 03:49:32 no spi Jun 30 03:50:20 ok - then you need to compile the .dts from the ka6sox github Jun 30 03:50:26 and install it Jun 30 03:50:35 ok Jun 30 03:51:00 here's the compile cmd: dtc -O dtb -@ -b 0 -o BB-SPI0_SPIDEV-00A0.dtbo BB-SPI0_SPIDEV-00A0.dts Jun 30 03:51:20 then copy the .dtbo to /lib/firmware Jun 30 03:51:52 then load via: echo "BB-SPI0_SPIDEV" > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots Jun 30 03:51:55 Informative compile error: Error: BB-BCC-00A0.dts:146.3-149.1 syntax error Jun 30 03:51:58 we move that Jun 30 03:52:13 hrmmm. Jun 30 03:52:23 someone touched it and broke it Jun 30 03:52:48 ahh.. that woudl be young josh Jun 30 03:53:08 Beautiful Jun 30 03:53:25 so what was that error again josh Jun 30 03:53:34 Error: BB-BCC-00A0.dts:146.3-149.1 syntax error Jun 30 03:53:42 This is the last one I've found... made a few changes already Jun 30 03:54:00 emeb_mac: we are workng in a debian space Jun 30 03:54:16 that's what I was afraid of. Jun 30 03:54:26 I don't know that well enough Jun 30 03:55:44 yeah. I had just patched and built dtc. I'm running this on the beagle black, debian as andrew said. Jun 30 03:58:27 i took this file: https://github.com/ka6sox/bcc_software/blob/c5e1fea50f91b0d4ac2a556d44349a0375968d9d/BB-BCC-00A0.dts then had to change lines 52, 58, and 125/128. Now I'm stuck as to why it's choking on the }; Jun 30 04:02:12 emeb_mac: do these warnings mean anything to you? http://pastebin.com/P3iWhYA7 Jun 30 04:03:07 jmoyerman: that file has a bunch of GPMC stuff in it that I have no experience with Jun 30 04:03:17 My .dts only has the SPI stuff. Jun 30 04:03:24 Where is your .dts located? Jun 30 04:03:37 it's probably an older version of the same file Jun 30 04:03:47 if you have one with just the spi lying around that would work great Jun 30 04:05:38 here: http://pastebin.com/SSNWz0eS Jun 30 04:06:00 that compiles and loads correctly on my BBB w/ 5-28 Angstrom Jun 30 04:06:13 let me give this a whirl Jun 30 04:06:50 compiles well.. Thanks, going to stash that away in my archives Jun 30 04:08:50 great. does it load? Jun 30 04:09:00 working on that. This is our first BCC bringup Jun 30 04:12:57 Looks like it loaded. Jun 30 04:13:17 got spi? Jun 30 04:13:25 yep /dev/spidev1.0 Jun 30 04:13:32 kewl Jun 30 04:14:27 should be able to run bcc_tool now Jun 30 04:14:48 yep. Just did. saw the SPI device, saw the FPGA isn't configured Jun 30 04:14:51 i feel goodness. Jun 30 04:15:09 so.. Jun 30 04:18:50 got a bitfile? load 'er up! Jun 30 04:19:50 emeb_mac: theres a blinking the leds one somewhere? Jun 30 04:22:40 in here: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc/bbone_fpga_blinky.zip Jun 30 04:23:26 root@bbb-two:~# ./bcc_tool -v -p blinky.bit Jun 30 04:23:27 bcc_init: opened I2C device /dev/i2c-1 Jun 30 04:23:27 bcc_init: PCF reads 0x3F Jun 30 04:23:28 bcc_init: opened spi device /dev/spidev1.0 Jun 30 04:23:30 bcc_init: Set SPI clock to 10000000 Hz Jun 30 04:23:30 http://pastebin.com/MesmYbXi <- Jun 30 04:23:32 bcc_init: Set SPI mode Jun 30 04:23:34 bcc_init: FPGA not already configured - DONE not high Jun 30 04:23:36 bcc_init: OMAP Drives SPI bus Jun 30 04:23:38 agh... pastebin andrew... pastebin Jun 30 04:23:38 Programming SPI Cfg Flash... Jun 30 04:23:40 bcc_pgm: Read Flash ID: Jun 30 04:23:42 MFG ID: 0xFF Jun 30 04:23:44 DEV ID: 0xFF 0xFF Jun 30 04:23:46 bcc_pgm: Flash ID mismatch Jun 30 04:23:48 Error sending bitstream to SPI Cfg Flash Jun 30 04:23:50 bcc_init: OMAP off SPI bus Jun 30 04:23:52 opps, sorry Jun 30 04:23:55 doh. Jun 30 04:24:34 why are you trying to program the flash w/o first loading the programming design? Jun 30 04:24:42 d'oh Jun 30 04:25:02 drop the -p option Jun 30 04:25:28 i see a DONE led Jun 30 04:25:32 ooh... Now that file makes sense... Jun 30 04:25:32 and blinkying Jun 30 04:25:35 leds Jun 30 04:25:40 pretty Jun 30 04:25:41 pretty Jun 30 04:25:45 then you've got it running right Jun 30 04:25:56 <- is a half a world a way.... let me go get my flash light. Jun 30 04:26:06 grab this: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bcc/flash_prog.zip Jun 30 04:26:10 Got it Jun 30 04:26:32 and load the flash_prog.bit file, then run with -p option to load flash. Jun 30 04:30:20 so without -p it's just in the FPGA's volatile memory, then if you do -p it's in the flash chip? Jun 30 04:30:26 yes Jun 30 04:30:49 but only if the flash_prog design is first loaded into the FPGA's volatile mem Jun 30 04:31:09 Makes so much more sense... lightbulb just hadn't come on Jun 30 04:31:21 :) Jun 30 04:32:17 emeb_mac: thanks Jun 30 04:32:20 anyway... it's 00:31 here... I'm gonna get some zz's so I can be up again at 05:00 Jun 30 04:32:25 thanks again eric Jun 30 04:32:26 so we know now it can work with debian Jun 30 04:32:41 yeah - that's good to know Jun 30 04:32:53 josh just got to see his handywork via skype Jun 30 04:33:13 I take it josh is on east coast US Jun 30 04:33:20 yes, FL Jun 30 04:33:21 Yep Jun 30 04:33:31 mrpackethead: is in NZ Jun 30 04:33:43 ain't the interwebs grand. Jun 30 04:33:45 emeb_mac: What's the best way to contact you? I'm going to condense my notes from pulling my hair out getting this to work on debian Jun 30 04:34:00 here? Jun 30 04:34:08 Figured if I sent you a copy, maybe you could append your website/readme file Jun 30 04:34:09 jmoyerman: or email - on the web page Jun 30 04:34:33 debian will be the os of choice for the beagleclone Jun 30 04:34:38 Got it. Should come sometime next week Jun 30 04:34:52 jmoyerman: great - I'll watch for it Jun 30 04:34:53 :-) Jun 30 04:35:00 was a nightmare, had to compile/patch dtc. pull sources from all over Jun 30 04:35:17 ugh Jun 30 04:35:26 but you got it going. \o/ Jun 30 04:35:35 They haven't patched dtc to allow the -@ option on a lot of distros... even arch apparently Jun 30 04:35:58 ka6sox: You have the same handle on github right? Jun 30 04:37:06 I tried the DTS file in your github bcc_software and it gave me all sorts of errors, not sure if that one was compile-ready yet Jun 30 05:01:22 gah, theres a wellington, FL Jun 30 05:01:23 how bizzare Jun 30 05:08:03 but is there a Miami, NZ? Jun 30 05:10:32 no, that i know of Jun 30 05:10:50 theres a Melbourne, FL, and of course the one in Australia Jun 30 05:10:57 i wonder how many times a place name is used Jun 30 05:11:48 jmoyerman, tell me what is wrong? Jun 30 05:12:03 or do you have a pull request to fix things? Jun 30 05:14:27 There is a Hollywood, CA and Hollywood Fl too. Jun 30 05:15:52 emeb_mac, pingu? Jun 30 05:15:58 I've been to Melbourne FL Jun 30 05:16:12 used to work for ISIL w/ hq there. Jun 30 05:16:27 ka6sox: pingu what? Jun 30 05:19:54 huh? Jun 30 05:21:27 * emeb_mac doesn't know what pingu means. Jun 30 05:23:14 but I'm pretty sure that most of the definitions in Urban Dictionary don't apply. Jun 30 05:27:11 pingu is/was a cartoon character...and I saw it at one time Jun 30 05:27:27 did jmoyerman give you the scoop on what was "wrong"? Jun 30 05:31:35 ka6sox: yes - above in the log: Jun 30 05:32:03 jmoyerman: i took this file: https://github.com/ka6sox/bcc_software/blob/c5e1fea50f91b0d4ac2a556d44349a0375968d9d/BB-BCC-00A0.dts then had to change lines 52, 58, and 125/128. Now I'm stuck as to why it's choking on the }; Jun 30 05:32:03 [9:00pm] Jun 30 05:32:16 "change" how? Jun 30 05:32:23 didn't say Jun 30 05:32:23 * ka6sox is confuzed Jun 30 05:32:26 sigh Jun 30 05:32:57 and now he's asleep... guess it'll have to wait Jun 30 05:38:18 ayup Jun 30 05:38:59 <_av500_> I have a dount, can we use the emmc flasher to flash to GPOI leds? Jun 30 05:39:29 well, as long as you have a donut, yes. Jun 30 05:41:08 <_av500_> emeb_mac: how can we install donut? Jun 30 05:41:37 opkg install donut? Jun 30 05:41:49 ka6sox: dazed as well? Jun 30 05:43:12 mranostay: glazed Jun 30 05:44:15 _av500_, only if its a Jelly Donut Jun 30 05:44:33 mranostay, too hot to be dazed Jun 30 05:46:11 rather "warm" here too Jun 30 05:46:59 emeb_mac: what bike do you have? Jun 30 05:47:13 mranostay: nothing special Jun 30 05:47:21 mranostay, one that has a big wheel in the front and a little one in the back... Jun 30 05:47:38 an ancient 10-speed that I found in a filbert orchard outside Eugene, OR when I was in Jr HS. Jun 30 05:47:59 okay, so its no *that* old.... Jun 30 05:48:24 I bought an Alpina 503 for like $100 a while ago... Jun 30 05:48:25 ka6sox: you know in portland i suspect someone has that.. Jun 30 05:48:29 a penny-farthing - just like on "The Prisoner" Jun 30 05:48:35 yup Jun 30 05:48:43 <_av500_> I have still dounbt, can we flash GIPO led with bike? Jun 30 05:48:59 _av500_, yes Jun 30 05:49:09 but you hvae to pedal REAL FAST. Jun 30 05:49:09 yes, but if you flash you may be arrested for indecent exposure. Jun 30 05:49:24 emeb_mac: some of the high end bikes are an obscene price i noticed :) Jun 30 05:49:30 $2k for a bike.. Jun 30 05:49:35 <_av500_> like all high end stuff Jun 30 05:49:39 mranostay: $2k is cheap Jun 30 05:49:39 <_av500_> 2k is cheap Jun 30 05:49:48 emeb_mac, +1 Jun 30 05:50:37 heh i have a ghetto one then :P Jun 30 05:51:13 mranostay: my brother-in-law is big on biking - has a range of rides running from $500 to $5k Jun 30 05:51:30 <_av500_> mranostay: did you start lessons? Jun 30 05:52:10 don't you have to wear a special hat and vest when taking biking lessons? Jun 30 05:52:13 mranostay, how many hours of crash^X Flight time before you can solo? Jun 30 05:52:25 _av500_: i know how to bike goddammit Jun 30 05:52:54 bike helmet with flashing light and siren, vest that says "Student Biker" in luminous letters on a blaze-orange background Jun 30 05:53:13 <_av500_> and trainig wheels Jun 30 05:53:15 <_av500_> 2 sets Jun 30 05:53:18 <_av500_> back and front Jun 30 05:53:28 that's so it's easier to turn Jun 30 05:53:40 <_av500_> also, background check Jun 30 05:53:53 this isn't a firearm :) Jun 30 05:54:02 <_av500_> thoght there is this bike show loop hole Jun 30 05:54:06 mranostay, you realize you can't take the cat with you till you get the training wheels off... Jun 30 05:54:08 bikes don't kill people... Jun 30 05:54:18 <_av500_> people kill bikes Jun 30 05:54:28 ka6sox: biking with a cat? Jun 30 05:54:40 emeb_mac, I swear some of the bike riders on Gibraltar Road are going to be a Hood Ornament one day :P Jun 30 05:54:53 * emeb_mac was a hood ornament once. Jun 30 05:55:03 mranostay, you can't take passengers till you get the training wheels off. Jun 30 05:55:10 picked up my bike, yelled at the lady who hit me and stalked off for home. Jun 30 05:55:25 emeb_mac: oh first time biking on real city streets too Jun 30 05:55:31 <_av500_> I hit a car once Jun 30 05:55:34 mranostay: fun! Jun 30 05:55:37 <_av500_> didnt hear it over the walkman Jun 30 05:55:44 <_av500_> stupid cars Jun 30 05:55:59 so you started designing portable music players. Jun 30 05:56:00 emeb_mac, these people are not paying attention and are biking on the wrong side of the road. Jun 30 05:56:14 ka6sox: idiots Jun 30 05:56:26 this was teh USPS team! Jun 30 05:56:37 <_av500_> dopers Jun 30 05:56:46 ah - Armstrong's old team. rules don't apply Jun 30 05:56:53 _av500_, don't you know it... Jun 30 05:57:08 +1 Jun 30 05:57:23 they found out the hard way when the road says closed to bikes..it means that Jun 30 05:57:34 bent wheels? Jun 30 05:57:38 snakes? Jun 30 05:57:45 semi-trucks? Jun 30 05:57:50 the Sheriff brought up the Horse Trailer used for the Search and rescue...and "threw" the bikes in.... Jun 30 05:57:54 like 15 of them Jun 30 05:58:07 <_av500_> bikers too? Jun 30 05:58:19 they got Zip Ties and a ride in the Van. Jun 30 05:58:26 <_av500_> where is PETA when you need them Jun 30 05:58:49 I think they said each bike was like $4500 at the time Jun 30 05:58:58 ka6sox: you hit 15 bikers? Jun 30 05:59:36 no, the road was being repaired and 1 lane in many places...so they closed it to bike riders as it was too unsafe Jun 30 05:59:50 but this team didn't want to believe it Jun 30 06:00:03 so the foreman of the job put his vehicle across the road when they came down Jun 30 06:00:07 and blocked them Jun 30 06:00:14 and called the sheriff Jun 30 06:00:39 they had been warned not to come back Jun 30 06:00:43 ah Jun 30 06:01:00 ok that seemed harse but if they were warned Jun 30 06:01:14 this was the 2ond time that day they did it Jun 30 06:01:22 and they would not stop for the flagmen Jun 30 06:01:30 which put the workers in jeopardy Jun 30 06:01:50 ad themselves Jun 30 06:01:55 and even Jun 30 06:02:40 so emeb_mac yup, you are right...they thought they were above it all... Jun 30 06:02:44 found out differently Jun 30 06:02:57 hi Jun 30 06:03:01 lo Jun 30 06:03:20 I am new bee to beagle board XM Jun 30 06:03:32 then you are ahead of me. Jun 30 06:03:47 for i am able to load an application on BBxm and run it Jun 30 06:04:21 the application generates some file and i want to tranfer those files back to PC without removing the sd card Jun 30 06:04:26 any idea how to do it? Jun 30 06:04:53 carrier pigeon? Jun 30 06:04:55 flash drive or scp over ethernet Jun 30 06:05:27 scp. Jun 30 06:05:39 so do i have to run some sort of server on BBxm? Jun 30 06:05:48 yes, sshd Jun 30 06:06:07 the sshd daemon should be running already if you're using angstrom Jun 30 06:06:09 manish_: for all you know, the BBxm is just another GNU/linux system Jun 30 06:06:32 mourning dm8tbr Jun 30 06:06:38 it actually a prt of big autmoation which i am trying to achieve Jun 30 06:06:45 good moaning ka6sox Jun 30 06:06:49 well i will check out the options mentioned above Jun 30 06:07:04 the pigeons get fed 2X/day Jun 30 06:07:16 :) Jun 30 06:08:02 Thurgood's suggestion of Flash Drive is good too Jun 30 06:08:38 or you can establish your own serial protocol over the UART or ethernet ;) Jun 30 06:09:18 carrier pigeons are measured in Furlongs/Fortnight @ Sea Level right? Jun 30 06:09:37 african or european? Jun 30 06:09:49 I don't know! Jun 30 06:10:06 * dm8tbr puts a kettle of red herring up for the trolls Jun 30 06:10:21 dm8tbr, I am going to Alaska to work on 250kW station in 5weeks Jun 30 06:10:37 ah, nice QRO :) Jun 30 06:10:59 I think a moose got into the Phasing Harness... Jun 30 06:11:34 *brrrzp* Jun 30 06:11:41 ya Jun 30 06:11:52 Medium Rare Moose. Jun 30 06:11:56 should be well done by the time you get ther Jun 30 06:12:09 I hear them's good eatin' Jun 30 06:12:43 I suppose I'll find out Jun 30 06:13:13 I told them they had to send me home with a 2ond "Bag" full of Halibut Jun 30 06:14:00 mmm meese Jun 30 06:14:21 I told them that 3m wasn't high enough... Jun 30 06:14:51 but if am using flash drive, wont i have to remove it and put in PC ?? Jun 30 06:16:22 manish_, yes....SneakerNet Jun 30 06:16:52 you could also run samba, or nfs, or set up webdav Jun 30 06:17:15 hmmm lot of option to be tried out. Jun 30 06:17:16 or ftp Jun 30 06:17:17 thanka lot guys Jun 30 06:17:31 * kblin personally uses samba Jun 30 06:17:32 we aim to please....or at least confuse Jun 30 06:17:42 LOL Jun 30 06:17:49 but then, I'm a samba developer, so I'm likely biased :) Jun 30 06:17:51 emeb_mac, 8.66kV Jun 30 06:18:47 ka6sox: zap! Jun 30 06:19:19 mru: 26+26 that man! Jun 30 06:19:44 I don't know where he got across it... Jun 30 06:19:54 but I'm sure it made a hell of a mess Jun 30 06:20:25 oh well. Jun 30 06:22:40 mranostay, I don't think the internet has woken up where mru is yet. Jun 30 06:26:05 * mranostay stabs emmc Jun 30 06:28:27 mranostay, can I help? Jun 30 06:39:29 okay I can take a hint...time for bed Jun 30 06:57:51 ka6sox-away: noooo! Jun 30 07:31:20 hi felipebalbi Jun 30 08:09:03 hey mranostay Jun 30 08:19:07 can someone please explain to me why people still make patches and complicated buildscripts to apply these patches instead of just using git branches for different configurations? Jun 30 08:19:53 i mean for sure they have a reason to do it this way, but i just can't see the reason. Jun 30 08:22:31 tradition Jun 30 08:29:42 tradition is bad reason to justify doing things the wrong way :) Jun 30 08:30:00 nevertheless it's the most common reason by far Jun 30 08:37:58 and it's a bad idea to ignore tradition just because it's tradition Jun 30 08:40:35 Mode-M: just to maintain separate things separately? Jun 30 08:47:10 been a pretty useful day Jun 30 08:47:24 KotH: jihad Jun 30 08:48:23 mrpackethead: I think it's a good idea to ignore the jihad tradition Jun 30 08:48:43 kfoltman: well, if you need to generate configurations out of other ones you could also cherry-pick commits. even that's better than hundreds of patch files imo. Jun 30 08:49:17 Mode-M_: well, both are gross - but it's probably easier to submit changes upstream in patch form Jun 30 08:49:41 as opposed to deltas to who knows what Jun 30 08:51:33 i don't think its easier for upstream submission. git format-patch and git send-email also work perfectly for branches ;) Jun 30 08:56:02 Hey there. Jun 30 08:56:07 Anyone up? Jun 30 08:56:27 nope, it's bedtime in #beagle Jun 30 08:56:38 ;) Jun 30 08:56:50 quick qstn. Jun 30 08:57:37 I am working on a project for a tennis ball pickup robot. I need to track balls using OPEN-CV. Any recommended camera + WiFi module that will work good with the balck? Jun 30 08:57:40 what is einsteins equivalence principle? Jun 30 08:59:47 camera might be tricky, you might need one with a close to zero latency Jun 30 09:00:31 tracking a ball shouldnt be a problem when it's easy to track a mosquito to hit it with a laser Jun 30 09:00:52 http://spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/gadgets/backyard-star-wars Jun 30 09:05:34 KotH: morning Jun 30 09:09:04 good afternoon, mrpackethead. how goes the jihad in down under? Jun 30 09:11:46 KotH: great. Got the DT compiled udner debian for the BCC cape Jun 30 09:11:50 and got it worked Jun 30 09:12:54 KotH: do you know much about using lasers for soldering? Jun 30 09:16:42 no? Jun 30 09:18:07 has anyone been able to get HDMI output on their beaglebone black while running ubuntu or debian? with angstrom i had video output but now i just get a black screen :/ Jun 30 09:25:16 mrpackethead: not seen/heard anyone doing that, yet Jun 30 09:25:37 mrpackethead: and i guess, it probably wont catch on either, with all the *FN and BGA packages Jun 30 09:26:30 Luc_: you probably need the right kernel Jun 30 09:26:42 hi Jun 30 09:27:22 yaniv: dude! why are you working on a sunday? Jun 30 09:27:44 KotH: some applications Jun 30 09:28:03 mrpackethead: what kind of applications? Jun 30 09:28:07 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnyB9btlhS8 Jun 30 09:28:15 hmm.. i might just stick with angstrom then if its that much of a hassle >_< Jun 30 09:28:16 . Jun 30 09:28:21 it being done. Jun 30 09:28:38 Is it easy to program the beablebone in C++? Jun 30 09:28:45 Luc_: mine works just fine Jun 30 09:28:46 (GPIO, etc) Jun 30 09:29:03 with video output mrpackethead? Jun 30 09:29:49 yes. Jun 30 09:30:53 thanks Jun 30 09:31:09 mrpackethead: i'm surprised that someone actually did that in professional way Jun 30 09:31:16 mrpackethead: i'm not surprised it was the japanese :) Jun 30 09:31:44 they are not hugely expensive either Jun 30 09:31:53 mrpackethead: but i wonder what kind of laser they used. with all the metal around, they must have very little energy transfer from the laser to the solder Jun 30 09:32:42 theres a few vendors selling it Jun 30 09:33:26 http://www.coherent.com/products/?863/HighLight-FAP-System-Family <-- Jun 30 09:33:30 hmm.. thats weird. I've basically tried all the images provided on http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu but its not working.. :/ Jun 30 09:35:56 mrpackethead: hmm... Jun 30 09:36:05 mrpackethead: how is the absorbtion of solder at 800nm? Jun 30 09:36:35 * KotH would guess it's <10% Jun 30 09:37:08 mrpackethead: when you get one of these, please let me know how well they work :) Jun 30 09:37:31 ni idea Jun 30 09:37:33 no idea Jun 30 09:37:50 am just starting investigating this Jun 30 09:38:11 we did somethign like 24,000,000 hand soldered joints last year Jun 30 09:38:41 woha! Jun 30 09:38:44 why? Jun 30 09:38:57 dont you have any assembly companies in kiwi land? Jun 30 09:39:06 we dont' do this in NZ! Jun 30 09:39:10 we'd go broke Jun 30 09:39:13 :-( Jun 30 09:39:14 its a job for china! Jun 30 09:39:27 that expensive? Jun 30 09:39:30 o_0 Jun 30 09:39:33 whats expenive? Jun 30 09:39:40 and i always thought .ch was expensive Jun 30 09:40:00 we are on par with you Jun 30 09:40:02 :-) Jun 30 09:40:46 well.. we do here production lots of 20-100 pcs of boards of the complexity of an average cape for ~500CHF NRE + 10-30CHF/board handling/soldering (w/o parts) Jun 30 09:41:12 yup, we'd be in teh same space Jun 30 09:41:35 i'd pay somethign like 0.15/part Jun 30 09:41:37 + setups Jun 30 09:41:56 hmm.. and it's cheaper to use one of your engineers to solder all day long? Jun 30 09:42:06 your salaries must be really low :) Jun 30 09:42:14 no. Jun 30 09:42:20 huh? Jun 30 09:42:25 i dont' understand Jun 30 09:43:02 i woud'nt ahve an engineer sitting around soldering all day Jun 30 09:43:15 well, if you hand solder stuff, then it must be cheaper then give it to an assembly company Jun 30 09:43:20 ahh Jun 30 09:43:32 "we" is our factory in China Jun 30 09:43:45 I dont' pay NZ wages in china! Jun 30 09:43:49 ah! Jun 30 09:43:50 ok Jun 30 09:44:06 but i'd like to automate this bit of the process if i can Jun 30 09:44:21 we make 8 wire to pcb solder connections Jun 30 09:44:27 on a small pcb Jun 30 09:44:30 18 x 15mmm Jun 30 09:44:44 its how we create a loom of RGB led pixels Jun 30 09:45:28 ah.. Jun 30 09:45:29 ok, Jun 30 09:45:36 now i see why it's handsoldered Jun 30 09:46:14 i can't through hole it Jun 30 09:46:25 hmm... i know that one of our assembly company uses a small robot to place and solder wires. but they do it only for larger lots >1000 Jun 30 09:46:38 setup is pretty expensive :-/ Jun 30 09:46:54 we make 250k+ parts per batch Jun 30 09:47:01 well then... Jun 30 09:47:15 last year, we did almost 3M parts Jun 30 09:47:20 and the chinese dont have a machine for that? Jun 30 09:47:24 nup Jun 30 09:47:28 its iron-age Jun 30 09:47:31 no pun intended Jun 30 09:47:34 eh.. Jun 30 09:47:38 theres no 'smarts' in china Jun 30 09:47:57 I'm trying to move produciton to Maylasia. Its way easier to do business Jun 30 09:48:00 but wages are higher Jun 30 09:48:07 if i can automate the soldering Jun 30 09:48:08 i can move it Jun 30 09:48:33 don't suppose you know what kind of robot they have? Jun 30 09:49:20 nope Jun 30 09:50:33 i was pretty happy to see the leds blinking today Jun 30 09:50:37 on the FGPA cape Jun 30 09:51:21 mrpackethead: try to contact these guys: http://www.mta.ch Jun 30 09:51:34 they do robots for all kinds of weird soldering jobs Jun 30 09:52:01 if they dont do it themselves, they for sure can tell you which companies have what you need Jun 30 10:05:12 well.. i got video output working again, no clue at all what i did different compared to earlier but oh well :D thanks anyway guys. Jun 30 10:05:45 gordonDrogon: :) Jun 30 10:05:48 Luc_: :) Jun 30 10:07:44 Luc_: with debian? Jun 30 10:12:52 * KotH lols at "The etchants are all 'will dissolve glass or your hand' sort of things," Jun 30 10:14:08 * SpeedEvil pours HF over KotH. Jun 30 10:14:24 * KotH dies in agony Jun 30 10:15:02 Aww - I wanted laughter. Jun 30 10:17:06 A fun page. Jun 30 10:17:08 http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/things_i_wont_work_with/ Jun 30 10:17:12 you know that HF is highly toxic? and that even a single drop on your skin can kill you, if untreated? Jun 30 10:18:22 It's no that simple, and it's not directly lethal at that sort of dose IIRC Jun 30 10:18:56 It's one of the 'also ran' nastiest chemicals. Jun 30 10:20:31 LD50 of HF is 1mg/kg oral Jun 30 10:21:00 meh.. it isnt... wrong data point Jun 30 10:22:13 A 33-year-old man who ingested 3 to 4 ounces of a rust remover (unstated HF concentration) died within 45 to 60 minutes. Jun 30 10:22:32 That's typically 3% Jun 30 10:22:38 So, 3ml. Jun 30 10:22:47 A drop is perhaps 1/20th ml Jun 30 10:23:17 yeah.. but... how come he drank 3 ounces of rust remover? Jun 30 10:23:24 has the naming of a device tree node something to do with the linux kernel drivers or is it completely independent? Jun 30 10:23:28 i mean.. seriously... did he fill a glass with it? Jun 30 10:23:48 Mode-M_: take a guess Jun 30 10:23:58 independent? Jun 30 10:24:13 independent but correlated :) Jun 30 10:24:32 <_av500_> he was thirsty Jun 30 10:24:48 Mode-M_: have a look at Documentation/devicetree/ Jun 30 10:25:01 KotH: i am reading it atm Jun 30 10:30:53 i think the kernel docs are not really clear in that point. they describe the graph structure of the device tree with its properties, but not really what the node naming actually means. Jun 30 10:52:55 Hello I have a question related to black bigelboard I want to use Design of bigelboard black, but replace the component to AM3352 Because of lower costs Is the change from 3359 to 3352 is a plug and play or need to change HW Jun 30 10:52:56 av500: you might appreciate: http://www.ominous-valve.com/tour.html Jun 30 10:53:14 yaniv: read the TRM of both Jun 30 10:56:04 can you help pls with link for TRM Jun 30 10:56:51 google spruh73c Jun 30 10:56:55 www.ti.com, search for AM3359 and AM3352 Jun 30 10:57:17 the cheaper ones just have some blocks disabled Jun 30 10:57:33 hello, I just got my bbb. Im quite new on embeded computers and networking. I thought for testing out whats possible to do with bbb i should try hosting a web server on it and making a button so that i could switch led with a button from browser. could you tell me resources which i should check to get a better understanding on how to achieve that? Jun 30 10:58:45 thedev: google for gpio Jun 30 11:00:21 yes i already know how to use gpio n stuff. But im more interested on how to set up a web page on beagle that i could connect to through browser Jun 30 11:00:41 just like the intro page you get, and there are buttons that can switch your led's Jun 30 11:00:57 so i want to make that kind of page myself and host it on beagle Jun 30 11:02:03 all the info I found is related AM335x Jun 30 11:02:59 so the question is where i could find any resources about hosting on beagle? Jun 30 11:11:39 .o0(what is with people not getting that an embedded linux system is still a linux system?) Jun 30 11:12:14 KotH: magic, unicorns and pixie dust! that's what it's made of! Jun 30 11:24:11 wth... people talking about building a gps receiver out of tubes! Jun 30 11:25:18 In principle, it's possible. Jun 30 11:25:33 ofc it's possible Jun 30 11:25:34 The hard part isn't actually the reception of the signal. Jun 30 11:25:46 not really, there are tubes that go that high Jun 30 11:25:53 It's going from 50bps bitstream, to a position Jun 30 11:26:03 the hard part is to decode the signal Jun 30 11:26:17 Multilateration from the ephimerides and almanacs is going to need a lot of tubes. Jun 30 11:26:28 you need a damn lot of shift registers and correlators Jun 30 11:26:34 Well, not really. Jun 30 11:26:47 Only if you want to decode all the saellites at once. Jun 30 11:27:16 The very first commercial receivers used one satellite at a time. Jun 30 11:27:20 (Or was it two?) Jun 30 11:28:03 i'd say 2 Jun 30 11:28:16 doing it with just one needs a quite stable oscillator Jun 30 11:28:26 Quite. Jun 30 11:29:32 Remaining locked can probably be done with a few dozen valves. Jun 30 11:29:54 Probably 2-3. Jun 30 11:30:19 (Per channel) Jun 30 11:32:11 http://lea.hamradio.si/~s53mv/navsats/theory.html Jun 30 11:32:13 also you want to be quite linear over the whole GPS spectrum Jun 30 11:32:17 FYE :) Jun 30 11:33:56 Linearity isn't that important. Jun 30 11:34:19 http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps.html I prefer Jun 30 11:34:44 SpeedEvil: have a look at the analog and digital page :) Jun 30 11:34:54 The above is good too. Jun 30 11:35:06 KotH: Oh - I know - I have a couple of partially built/designed GPSs here. Jun 30 11:35:31 * KotH has read IS-GPS-200F Jun 30 12:16:21 <_Sy_> hi Jun 30 12:52:54 Hi, i often have "kernel panic" on my BBxm running Debian6 3.2.21-x13 Jun 30 13:07:52 is it good for django web development Jun 30 13:07:56 ? Jun 30 13:14:58 depends on it Jun 30 13:16:44 i'm a web developer Jun 30 13:16:52 thtwse Jun 30 13:17:13 and i am an electrical engineer Jun 30 13:17:16 tidnerd Jun 30 13:18:42 but i jus wanna know weather it suites for me Jun 30 13:19:16 i normall use : django,posgres , celery , rabbitmq , node sublime Jun 30 13:19:17 well.. i dont know what it is, and i dont know what you want to do, so i cannot tell you Jun 30 13:19:54 and works more than 10 hrs aday for coding Jun 30 13:20:20 ah.. you want a computer to work on Jun 30 13:20:22 get a PC Jun 30 13:20:24 i just wanna try Beagleboard Jun 30 13:20:29 ok Jun 30 13:20:48 the beagles (which one you didnt say) are good if you want to go low power and small Jun 30 13:20:49 So u r tellin is for Hardware dev Jun 30 13:21:08 no Jun 30 13:21:24 i'm just telling you that any of the embedded systems are not suited for daily work on them Jun 30 13:21:24 small ins the sense ? size ? or Jun 30 13:21:31 size Jun 30 13:21:35 computing power Jun 30 13:21:36 everything Jun 30 13:21:38 ok thank u Jun 30 13:21:48 other than that, embedded linux is just a linux Jun 30 13:22:02 as long as you dont do any crazy hw stuff they behave the same as your desktop Jun 30 13:22:17 just less ram and less cpu Jun 30 13:22:23 okaies Jun 30 13:22:25 gr8 Jun 30 13:22:37 wht u do on BEagles Jun 30 13:22:40 ? Jun 30 13:22:44 i jus wanna know Jun 30 13:22:47 thts all. Jun 30 13:22:49 :) Jun 30 13:22:54 i dont have any beagles :) Jun 30 13:22:58 just pandas Jun 30 13:23:28 but we (=our company) uses this class of devices as control systems and user interfaces for other hardware Jun 30 13:24:13 ie everywhere where we need the easy of a full fledged OS with networking and a graphical UI Jun 30 13:24:17 pands : Python Data Analysis Library ?? Jun 30 13:24:23 OOps pandas Jun 30 13:24:25 panda board Jun 30 13:24:26 nod pands Jun 30 13:24:34 * KotH stays away from python as far as possible Jun 30 13:25:14 y u hate python Jun 30 13:25:17 ? Jun 30 13:25:22 i dont hate it Jun 30 13:25:31 not really that is Jun 30 13:25:48 it just has many deficiencies i dont want to deal with Jun 30 13:25:56 and any whitespace sensitive language is evil! Jun 30 13:26:08 Oki :) Jun 30 13:26:29 not to mention that their multiple attempts at cloning CPAN (as a system, not a repository) failed horribly Jun 30 13:27:01 thus installing any python software and maintaining it is pure pain Jun 30 13:27:09 it's even worse than ruby Jun 30 13:30:13 Do you know why there is this by default in the crontab of Debian image for BBxm ? /fastmech/y2kupdate Jun 30 13:30:16 i never agreee Jun 30 13:31:21 anish_: work as a full time sysadmin for some time, where you manage hundreds of servers, then you will think differently at the inefficiencies of what is done around webdevelopment Jun 30 13:32:11 krisfr92: i dont think anyone here knows (at least of those who are awake and not outside enjoying the sun) Jun 30 13:32:21 krisfr92: maybe it might be better to ask in #debian Jun 30 14:01:43 <_av500_> gm Jun 30 14:02:06 greetings, oh mighty _av500_ Jun 30 14:02:10 have you slept well? Jun 30 14:02:33 <_av500_> wow Jun 30 14:02:46 <_av500_> nice fishing emails Jun 30 14:03:05 <_av500_> targetting feedly users Jun 30 14:03:28 <_av500_> hmm Jun 30 14:03:33 <_av500_> or not even fishing Jun 30 14:03:54 <_av500_> http://u366253.sendgrid.org Jun 30 14:04:01 <_av500_> does not look legit Jun 30 14:04:26 <_av500_> but seems its genuine Jun 30 14:22:59 mourning Jun 30 14:25:02 <_av500_> hath broken? Jun 30 14:25:42 like the first mourning Jun 30 14:26:32 <_av500_> SR-71 hath spoken Jun 30 14:26:58 Habu! Jun 30 14:42:56 looking for a little advice Jun 30 14:44:02 how do we do this?? Jun 30 14:45:29 bob___: drink at least 3l water a day Jun 30 14:45:47 smart people usually start with asking a question Jun 30 14:46:40 i guess, it wasnt important Jun 30 14:47:04 or he couldnt find that much water Jun 30 14:49:33 or he had to go to the restroom after all that water Jun 30 14:49:40 i guess, he just found water Jun 30 14:50:07 * emeb_mac is about to head out into the 118F heat again Jun 30 14:50:23 anyone here know about the Beagleboard that can help me ?? Jun 30 14:50:26 (gets a glass of icewater) Jun 30 14:50:39 emeb_mac: take an umbrella with you Jun 30 14:50:49 Needy: see topic Jun 30 14:50:53 KotH: I'm taking a car with A/C Jun 30 14:51:10 so take a jacket then Jun 30 14:51:17 Anyone have a tutorial for using Serial Debug Cable with BeagleBoneBlack, I'm gonna pick one up so I can try out some of the new kernels but I'm not sure I understand how the serial debugging is supposed to work Jun 30 14:51:19 Needy: changing nick will not help you Jun 30 14:51:21 how do I find topic list ?? Jun 30 14:51:50 tdilly: are you familiar with the text console concept? Jun 30 14:51:58 answering questions will Jun 30 14:52:10 <_Sy_> hello Jun 30 14:52:14 tdilly: a serial console is like a text console, just that it is more restrictive what it can show Jun 30 14:52:23 I don't know :/ I've used serial communication with arduino and ssh Jun 30 14:52:39 tdilly: if you know how to do ssh, then you know how a serial console works Jun 30 14:52:55 tdilly: you just use 'picocom' instead of 'ssh' and that's it Jun 30 14:53:00 Hey all. Has anyone reflashed a C8051F347 chip on an alienware laptop? Jun 30 14:53:00 KotH: uh, the data link does not determine what can be shown Jun 30 14:53:01 So I just hook the USB cable up and it looks like a serial device that I can read? Jun 30 14:53:11 the terminal does that Jun 30 14:53:22 <_Sy_> had a hickcup yesterday with opkg updating a bbb, as a result ended up having to refllash again from SD card...real pain in the ass. Jun 30 14:53:38 mru: yeah.. but explain to a n00b that he cannot get a framebuffer over serial, because none of the progs support a suitable protocol :) Jun 30 14:54:00 thanks, that makes sense now Jun 30 14:54:12 so like I can't use tmux, vim etc? Jun 30 14:54:19 yes Jun 30 14:54:25 gotcha Jun 30 14:54:26 er.. no Jun 30 14:54:29 you can use them Jun 30 14:54:31 <_av500_> sudormrf: do you sell hubcaps for 72 Pinto hatchback? Jun 30 14:54:47 KotH: escape sequences work just fine Jun 30 14:55:03 mru: juup.. not fully awake anymore... Jun 30 14:55:12 Why yes I do, _av500_ Jun 30 14:55:16 :-/ Jun 30 14:55:20 so if you run in xterm, you get xterm caps Jun 30 14:55:27 yes Jun 30 14:55:28 Thank you for all your help I guess its back to the raspberry Pi Jun 30 14:55:30 well I just need to see the boot messages, but that is good to know Jun 30 14:56:04 mru: and yes, i know that there is a graphical terminal mode in xterm... but i have never seen any app supporting it Jun 30 14:56:32 who said a anything about graphics? Jun 30 14:56:38 -a Jun 30 14:56:41 Needy: i doubt that thy will able to help you, when you are unable to ask questions Jun 30 14:57:20 mru: graphics is something you dont get over serial console (unless using said protocol) Jun 30 14:57:34 dont be a smart bum I asked a question and got no answer Jun 30 14:57:35 hmm... Jun 30 14:57:41 mru: er.. dont mind me Jun 30 14:57:44 i'm confused Jun 30 14:57:46 hi, is it possible to say in the uenv.txt of the micro sd card that it should boot the rootfs on an usb stick? (beagle bone black). i searched a little bit, but i have no clue Jun 30 14:57:58 <_av500_> Needy: ask, dont argue Jun 30 14:58:10 <_av500_> checkx: yes Jun 30 14:58:13 some other time Jun 30 14:58:20 <_av500_> as you like Jun 30 14:59:47 <_Sy_> I have one BBB that I've tried to reflash 3 times now, I have the latest image on SD card, insert the image, hold down the boot button and connect the USB cable, but well after 45 minutes there is still activity on the LED's, how long can it take worst case? Jun 30 14:59:50 _av500_: so just put every /dev/mmc0* to /dev/sda1 ? this would be very nice, because usb sticks with fast speeds aren't much expensive. Jun 30 14:59:53 Are you looking to buy hubcaps, _av500_ ? Jun 30 15:00:22 * ogra_ bets only if you also sell the pinto Jun 30 15:00:40 _av500_: can I please have an argument? Jun 30 15:00:49 <_av500_> no Jun 30 15:01:04 I insist Jun 30 15:01:13 <_av500_> checkx: no Jun 30 15:01:21 <_av500_> boot uboot and kernel from SD Jun 30 15:01:31 <_av500_> then cnahge the rootfs to /dev/sda or so Jun 30 15:02:09 __av500_ : that's what i intend to do, thx for the help :D Jun 30 15:02:16 <_av500_> np Jun 30 15:02:45 Anyhow... aside from pinto hubcaps, I was hoping to be able to use the bbb as a jtag programmer to repair my SiLabs chip on my alienware. Jun 30 15:03:02 <_Sy_> be back l8r, BBQ is calling Jun 30 15:03:04 sudormrf: why not us versaloon? Jun 30 15:03:17 sudormrf: it works and is supported by openocd Jun 30 15:04:16 KotH, because I don't have one.. lol... but I would be happy to try anything that works. Jun 30 15:04:36 sudormrf: what kind of chip? Jun 30 15:05:53 KotH, silab C8051F347 Jun 30 15:06:03 It's the one that controls the lights on the alienware. Jun 30 15:06:12 oh.. an 8051... Jun 30 15:06:29 Dell was really smart and went and distributed their alienware laptops with faulty firmware on the resource cd. Jun 30 15:06:49 And so when you try to re-install the firmware -- bam... lights out... Jun 30 15:07:08 KotH, honestly, I don't know a damned thing about jtag flashing... Jun 30 15:07:17 it's black magic Jun 30 15:07:21 literally Jun 30 15:07:27 i've seen people doing it Jun 30 15:07:42 Yeah... it' Jun 30 15:07:43 all of them have been speaking incantations in dark languages... like german Jun 30 15:07:46 d be nice/ Jun 30 15:08:08 other than that.. openocd is your best hope Jun 30 15:08:19 <_av500_> if it supports that chip at all Jun 30 15:08:25 Hmmmmmmm..... Jun 30 15:08:31 if it does support your chip, all is well, if not... get someone from openocd to help to write support for it Jun 30 15:09:07 Otherwise there is dilogic FLASHBLASTER 2 Jun 30 15:09:15 But the damned programmer only runs on windows. Jun 30 15:09:18 yes Jun 30 15:09:22 that's the usual case Jun 30 15:09:37 But I am not going to be picky... Jun 30 15:11:03 I do have an MSP430F_Q64_0.5 evaluation board with built-in 14-pin jtag... but I wouldn't have a clue where to start with that. Jun 30 15:11:21 mspdebug Jun 30 15:11:51 <_av500_> sudormrf: that does not help you with your laptop Jun 30 15:12:00 <_av500_> I fear you dont understand what jtag is Jun 30 15:12:23 _av500_: i fear, noone does understand what jtag is Jun 30 15:12:37 the standard is kind of vague... Jun 30 15:12:51 I am pretty sure I announced that I have no idea what jtag is at the beginning of this convo. Jun 30 15:12:57 and lots of things are called these days jtag, that arent jtag anymore Jun 30 15:13:18 <_av500_> sudormrf: right Jun 30 15:13:31 <_av500_> so in short, you need a SW that knows howto program that chip Jun 30 15:13:38 <_av500_> using jtag as the interface Jun 30 15:13:52 <_av500_> just having a jtag interface helps little Jun 30 15:14:09 <_av500_> and the jtag on the msp430 is to program that MSP, not something else Jun 30 15:15:57 k Jun 30 15:16:03 So I am looking for a dedicated programmer... Jun 30 15:16:11 <_av500_> no Jun 30 15:16:12 Like the... err... flashblaster Jun 30 15:16:16 <_av500_> no Jun 30 15:16:21 <_av500_> the hw can be anything Jun 30 15:16:22 <_av500_> you need the SW Jun 30 15:16:28 <_av500_> that knows this chip Jun 30 15:16:47 <_av500_> unless it is something "standard" Jun 30 15:17:17 Yeah... there is software out there for it. Jun 30 15:17:49 flashload lite I hear is one... Jun 30 15:19:20 sudormrf: why did you reflash the chip in the first place? Jun 30 15:20:08 KotH, I re-installed all the drivers that came on the resource CD. Jun 30 15:20:41 ... and the resource CD, little did I know forever ago when I did this.. has bad firmware on it. Jun 30 15:25:39 and it automagically flashes the onboard stuff, w/o asking questions? Jun 30 15:26:05 yup Jun 30 15:26:30 dell Jun 30 15:26:32 :-/ Jun 30 15:26:39 i would sue them :) Jun 30 15:27:04 It is actually a VERY common problem with these computers Jun 30 15:28:02 <_av500_> http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/alienware/f/3746/t/19442434.aspx?PageIndex=14 Jun 30 15:28:11 <_av500_> and it looks like ot can be done woth an arduino Jun 30 15:29:04 <_av500_> but thius looks more like I2C than jtag Jun 30 15:29:26 <_av500_> anyway, all that effort for a few leds Jun 30 15:29:32 <_av500_> not worth it Jun 30 15:29:38 Using an arduino would be optimal... but.. yeah... Jun 30 15:30:33 <_av500_> well, if there is SW for arduino Jun 30 15:30:39 <_av500_> it can be ported to BBB Jun 30 15:31:49 The question is... is there SW for arduino? Jun 30 15:32:32 I DO have an arduino or two sitting around... Jun 30 15:33:32 <_av500_> no idea Jun 30 15:33:34 <_av500_> just saw the pic Jun 30 15:33:48 <_av500_> the other option is this flashblaster and an old PC with a parallel port Jun 30 15:39:43 I will have to look into the arduino solution... Jun 30 15:40:15 <_av500_> ads said Jun 30 15:40:17 <_av500_> as Jun 30 15:40:21 <_av500_> its all about htw SE Jun 30 15:40:23 <_av500_> the SW Jun 30 15:53:01 <_av500_> sudormrf: http://silabs.org.ua/sp_en.htm Jun 30 15:58:14 <_av500_> www.ecse.rpi.edu/courses/CStudio/Silabs/Appnotes/AN027.pdf‎ Jun 30 15:58:21 <_av500_> all there Jun 30 15:59:46 Wow.... that should work! Jun 30 15:59:56 Complete with arduino code and everything. Jun 30 16:04:27 I will give it a try Jun 30 16:47:44 Hello all Jun 30 16:55:28 hi Jun 30 17:18:12 <_av500_> lo Jun 30 17:39:52 Hi, to you will it be a hard job to make this sensor work with the BeableBoneBlack ? http://www.adafruit.com/products/1298 Jun 30 17:42:04 I mean driver ? or reading i2c would be enought ? Jun 30 17:42:26 In general, you can bit-bang I2C Jun 30 17:43:08 sorry i am french, what do u mean "bit-bang" ? Jun 30 17:43:23 If you have an I2C bus - then it pops up on that bus, and you can read/write registers using specific ioctls. Jun 30 17:43:33 (This is the case on the bbb) Jun 30 17:43:54 If you then have a kernel driver, it'd mean you could read from /sys/whatever/humidity Jun 30 17:44:04 oki. "if you have an I2C bus" : the BBBlack got some no ? Jun 30 17:44:27 yes Jun 30 17:44:27 oki you answer alrealdy ;) Jun 30 17:45:06 with no driver, reading /sys/bus/i2c will do the trick ? Jun 30 17:47:55 Not quite. Jun 30 17:48:15 You need to read and understand the datasheet - then read the appropriate register using i2ctools - or a similar program Jun 30 17:48:19 It requires iocls. Jun 30 17:48:23 IOCTLS Jun 30 17:48:32 Or at least it did a couple of years ago. Jun 30 17:50:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management shows an example of reading a battery state information using I2C and i2ctools Jun 30 17:56:05 I have a mouse connected in the USB port. I turn the BBB on. Then, after 3 minutes or so (doesn't really matter) I disconnect the mouse and it is no longer detected. When I plug it again it keeps like that and the BBB does not recognize it again. It happens the same for all USB devices that I have (keyboard, wifi dongle...). Is there a solution for this? I want the BBB to recognize the USB devices dynamically and not just at boot, or when Jun 30 18:05:06 <_av500_> kjiu: its a bug Jun 30 18:05:09 <_av500_> a known bug Jun 30 18:05:40 BBB bug or Angstrom bug? Jun 30 18:05:46 mouring Jun 30 18:06:35 kjiu: What do you mean by 'no longer detected' ? Jun 30 18:06:58 Does it pop up as a fres /dev/;input/event* device that the window manager you're using doesn't look at? Jun 30 18:07:30 It basically does not work when I plug it again. It does not work when it is supposed to do so Jun 30 18:08:08 Define 'not work' Jun 30 18:08:23 Does it appear as a USB device in /proc/bus/usb/devices or wherever? Jun 30 18:08:42 Does it work if you restart whatever you have tha'ts using a mouse? Jun 30 18:08:52 No, it does not appear when I run the command lsusb Jun 30 18:09:14 Yes. If I restart it and it is plugged in; it works. Jun 30 18:12:45 plugging after boot is broken for some reason. IIRC kernel bug Jun 30 18:12:48 * chandler is actually interested in putting a bounty on this bug Jun 30 18:12:54 Why I would like to know is: why doesn't it work when I unplug it and then replug it again (can be anything, mouse, wifi, keyboard...). By doesn't work I mean it just doesn't work: when I move the mouse around it doesn't work, I do not know how to explain it better. It is not recognized when I run the command lsusb Jun 30 18:13:12 Alright thank you very much for your answers :) Jun 30 18:13:25 kjiu: it's a bug. I've been able to force it to re-enumerate through mucking around in /sys, but it's a manual process Jun 30 18:14:34 Alright, I can understand. I guess I'll just have to connect everything before booting Jun 30 18:16:42 <_av500_> SpeedEvil: dynamic usb plugging is broken Jun 30 18:17:32 so, regarding this issue: is the beaglebone google group the right place to offer a bounty for fixing this? or is there a separate development list? Jun 30 18:50:04 For people building larger projects on their BBBK, what kind of development environment/language do you use? My preference is to use Java or c/c++/c# with either eclipse or VS, but mostly I'm just looking for a hassle free, fully featured IDE that works well with BBBK. Jun 30 18:50:46 I'd rather not use python or node.js Jun 30 18:54:21 Also, if anyone is feeling generous and would mind helping me decipher why my other BBBK won't boot after I flash it with any known good image I've got a pastebin of its boot log here: http://pastebin.com/b5i1p0GC Jun 30 18:56:55 mourning peoples and trolls Jun 30 18:57:18 does vim count as ide? Jun 30 18:57:28 mornin ka6sox! Jun 30 18:57:34 does dog food count as food? Jun 30 18:58:41 ka6sox: sorry to have disappeared last night: I had to make some changes to that file, and never got it going under debian at the end of it all Jun 30 19:00:53 Windex007: I'm hardcore... emacs and a terminal Jun 30 19:01:07 real programmers use vi Jun 30 19:01:51 where is that xkcd comic... with the butterfly focousing magnetic fields to flip bits one by one... Jun 30 19:02:27 http://xkcd.com/378/ Jun 30 19:03:43 ka6sox: to continue, I've made changes as according to: http://pastebin.com/k53DdD2f, and at the end had to add an additional };, also got these warnings: http://pastebin.com/P3iWhYA7. using a patched dtc: Version: DTC 1.3.0-gf8cb5dd9-dirty Jun 30 19:04:51 frankly. I just like to see people use whatever works best for them. I enjoy developing in Vis Studio Pro, but it's so heavy-weight same with eclipse Jun 30 19:05:07 and I wind up having to go back to a terminal for compilation/running anyway Jun 30 19:06:51 I appreciate being able to spin through class members with autocomplete on the IDE that pulls up the documentation automagically. Jun 30 19:07:55 One of those two works well then. I just prefer to spend a day and memorize every class method and field, and then do the auto-completion myself. Jun 30 19:08:33 I recently enjoyed trying out Sublime Text, as it's pretty dang light weight, and much easier to install autocompletion / code introspection packages compared to Vim Jun 30 19:08:48 +1 for sublime text Jun 30 19:09:03 with a linux-based target like the BBB, you can do something clever like sshfs to mount the BBB filesystem directly, then launch sublime on that folder Jun 30 19:09:13 sublime does magic! Jun 30 19:09:15 no deployment necessary, but you still get a fully featured IDE Jun 30 19:09:29 I've heard it's good. I haven't tried it out yet. I've used emacs for three years now, I just installed vim, I wanted to try it out and see if it was more useful. Jun 30 19:09:30 theterg, that's a really good idea. Jun 30 19:09:44 I wrote a rather large python daemon on a similar linux device in that way, was a joy Jun 30 19:09:58 theterg, that is for sure what I'm going to end up doing. Jun 30 19:10:09 That does sound like a good idea... Jun 30 19:10:10 admittedly, sublime is better with interpreted languages - I still don't have a great C++ workflow with sublime Jun 30 19:10:15 for people that use sublime check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TZ-bgcJ6fQo Jun 30 19:10:17 I just got my cross compiler going for the BBB Jun 30 19:10:27 Such a dream. Jun 30 19:10:55 aha, vvu|Mobile, I recognise that video Jun 30 19:11:09 verbose dude, but I borrowed a few great tips from it Jun 30 19:11:17 shows really nice tricks for sublime Jun 30 19:12:21 Maybe I should go back to developing in nano... Jun 30 19:12:53 jmoyerman, the pastebin id is bad Jun 30 19:13:05 can you please send a pull request? Jun 30 19:14:01 Is there a way I can determine what source tree was used to build the kernel in a particular version of the angstrom image? Jun 30 19:14:17 ka6sox: make sure you're not grabbing the , or . at the end. sorry for putting punctuation at the end of the link... i don't have a "proper" file working yet... So I can't say what changes need to be made. Jun 30 19:14:35 recopy: http://pastebin.com/k53DdD2f and http://pastebin.com/P3iWhYA7 <- Jun 30 19:16:01 chandler: hmmm, I don't remember if /proc/config.gz is enabled in the default beagle kernel, but if so you could gzcat /proc/config.gz to at least view the kernel config Jun 30 19:16:30 I've used that to try and figure out where the heck my kernel came from. Jun 30 19:17:18 hm. I think that's part of the puzzle, but I'm actually trying to determine if particular patches are included in the latest kernel or not Jun 30 19:19:10 I'll get you more details later, Sunday's are a bad day for me to be behind the PC. Jun 30 19:21:00 jmoyerman, yes, understood...I am about to become GrillMaster here too... Jun 30 20:26:42 * mranostay bikes out Jun 30 20:39:47 KotH: it seems solder absorbs well 900nm Jun 30 20:40:04 laser soldering? Jun 30 20:40:10 yes Jun 30 20:40:14 neat Jun 30 20:42:15 mrpackethead: trying to create a FPGA cape factory? (-: Jun 30 20:42:21 no. Jun 30 20:44:36 kfoltman: the bcc cape is great Jun 30 20:44:44 but its not a 'product' Jun 30 20:45:10 the market for such a thing does not justify much investment Jun 30 20:45:47 mrpackethead: well, I thought you're trying to figure out a cheap method to do something like low-scale manufacturing or something Jun 30 20:45:57 no. Jun 30 20:46:05 not looking for a cheap way Jun 30 20:46:09 looking for an efficent way Jun 30 20:46:22 24M hand soldered joints last eyar Jun 30 20:46:29 sounds insane Jun 30 20:46:53 I'm getting RSI just thinking of it Jun 30 20:47:51 laser+CNC machine... sounds... weird Jun 30 20:48:00 Wow, had no idea lazer soldering was a thing, crazy Jun 30 21:00:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnyB9btlhS8 Jun 30 21:01:21 everything is better with lasers Jun 30 21:01:30 sharks included Jun 30 21:01:36 Yeah, was just watching that video Jun 30 21:01:46 What kind of power is required at that wavelength? Jun 30 21:07:43 mrpackethead: whoa! Jun 30 21:08:01 30-50W apparently Jun 30 21:08:29 woof Jun 30 21:08:32 mru, sharks with lasers?...what is this world coming to.... Jun 30 21:24:13 Just got a new beaglebone black and having trouble getting the console display to work. Can ssh into it. Using a micro-HDMI to VGA adapter that may be the problem. Is there a way to force it to boot into a compatible mode like VGA or SVGA? Jun 30 21:24:57 does it support analog outputs? Jun 30 21:25:00 i didnt think it did Jun 30 21:25:28 the adaptor? Jun 30 21:25:53 http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Plated-Premium-Adapter/dp/B00879ELGA Jun 30 21:25:57 active ic internally Jun 30 21:26:25 yes, we're running something like that from Asus... Jun 30 21:26:26 it will itself need power Jun 30 21:26:42 thats the only one known to work Jun 30 21:27:07 ah, well that explains things then. Jun 30 21:27:28 thanks Jun 30 23:02:37 Could anybody direct me to pointers for installing beaglebone black for linux Jun 30 23:06:13 beaglebone for linux Jun 30 23:06:14 mmm Jun 30 23:06:21 did you mean linux for beaglebon Jun 30 23:06:52 sorry Jun 30 23:06:53 yeah Jun 30 23:06:59 linux for beaglebone Jun 30 23:07:01 blac Jul 01 00:19:54 Hey Guys :) Jul 01 00:36:49 mru, there you go http://arstechnica.com/staff/2013/06/hate-comic-sans-blame-this-microsoft-virtual-assistant/ Jul 01 01:22:48 Hi Jul 01 01:22:56 iq Hi. Jul 01 01:23:29 Where can I purchase a beagleboard xM from? Jul 01 01:23:44 iq, try mouser.com Jul 01 01:24:35 thanks Jul 01 02:32:41 hello all - anyone have beaglebone black uart working in ubuntu, or can point me in right direction? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 01 02:59:58 2013