**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 10 02:59:59 2013 Jul 10 03:42:41 Hello need some help Jul 10 03:58:32 mranostay: oh sorry, you got rejected Jul 10 03:59:53 heh :) Jul 10 04:00:37 wmat: i keep forgetting you work for LF :) Jul 10 04:00:45 mranostay: just kidding. But due to your new locale, you'll have to present wearing a doe skin shirt Jul 10 04:00:55 mranostay: i don't Jul 10 04:01:13 mranostay: http://mrfly.ca/retail/product_info.php?products_id=1875 Jul 10 04:01:20 hmm what canuck i do that does? Jul 10 04:01:21 mranostay: more canadiana for you Jul 10 04:01:30 *know Jul 10 04:01:35 :) Jul 10 04:02:30 mranostay: i think i've seem jefro wearing one at various conferences Jul 10 04:05:26 * mranostay resists urge to go bike Jul 10 04:06:00 tomorrow i think i'll bike to the MAX and work with no dead battery involved Jul 10 04:06:27 45 minutes in 26E traffic.. Jul 10 04:15:58 hehe Jul 10 04:16:07 that sounds worse then the bay area Jul 10 04:16:52 yes it can be Jul 10 04:17:40 are you in portland proper? Jul 10 04:17:53 yes i live downtown Jul 10 04:18:21 oh my Jul 10 04:18:27 in the free zone? Jul 10 04:19:28 no free zone for portland streetcar anymore Jul 10 04:19:47 oh blah Jul 10 04:20:10 trying to contain the greyhound station homeless to the station? :D Jul 10 04:20:28 ds2: i bike to the MAX anyway Jul 10 04:22:19 frankly anything interesting to me is one this part of the city or barely over the river Jul 10 04:22:38 hippies can stay on the east side :P Jul 10 04:22:51 the other side of the river is troutdale, right? Jul 10 04:23:27 which river are you talking? :) Jul 10 04:23:42 the river on the back of the amtrak station Jul 10 04:23:47 it runs north south, IIRC Jul 10 04:23:55 portland is much different in the west side than east Jul 10 04:24:27 west has the limit on weirdness a midwestern boy can take :P Jul 10 04:24:50 I donno... the west side is too weird for me Jul 10 04:24:55 and I am midwestern Jul 10 04:25:14 really? Jul 10 04:25:30 Hello guys Jul 10 04:25:33 i'll take weird over boring anyday though :) Jul 10 04:25:37 the intentional crippling of the road for cars Jul 10 04:26:09 ds2: i have yet to drive to any place in Portland other than my apartment than the mall and IKEA Jul 10 04:26:26 there is a mall there? Jul 10 04:26:41 parking could be friendlier around Powell books Jul 10 04:27:04 ds2: lloyd district has a big a one Jul 10 04:27:13 s/a//2 Jul 10 04:27:22 trying to think where is lloyd district Jul 10 04:27:32 downtown/powellbooks is burnside, right? Jul 10 04:27:38 yes Jul 10 04:27:54 ds2: she was looking to exploit the no sales tax :) Jul 10 04:28:19 Is this chan about learning Exams Jul 10 04:28:39 oh boy Jul 10 04:29:14 yes lets do XenoMod's homework Jul 10 04:29:40 ._ Jul 10 04:29:45 ._. Jul 10 04:29:53 I don't have homework Jul 10 04:33:42 yes, learning Exams Jul 10 04:33:51 you shall be Examined Jul 10 04:34:14 if you are found wanting, you will be sent to do penance Jul 10 04:35:12 Talk to trolls :b Jul 10 04:36:32 Take about trolls * Jul 10 04:36:55 er is lkml acting weird for anyone else? Jul 10 04:38:06 lkcl? Jul 10 04:43:07 like https://lkml.org/lkml/last100/ Jul 10 04:44:11 I got the web101 banner ad! Jul 10 04:44:37 yeah.. Jul 10 04:44:57 and root bedeadtoo Jul 10 04:54:28 No Jul 10 04:54:30 Hi Friends Jul 10 04:55:26 Please any one having Robatic design software link(3D CAD) ? Jul 10 04:56:21 Actually i want to design Robatic,before it i want to simulate Robatic through software. Jul 10 04:57:44 mranostay: your the on duty troll Jul 10 04:58:02 are you needing 3D-Cad for Drawing Dogs? Jul 10 04:59:21 I'd use Blender so you can get the Hair right. Jul 10 04:59:32 ka6sox: your being so helfpul Jul 10 04:59:34 :-) Jul 10 04:59:36 aha ha Jul 10 05:00:05 mranostay is falling down on the job...(perhaps a bit too much tipping?) Jul 10 05:00:14 heh cute Jul 10 05:00:43 Circuit: how does that relate to this channel btw? Jul 10 05:00:58 i know our motto is be off topic but gee :) Jul 10 05:01:00 mranostay, I'm off topic... Jul 10 05:01:55 Hi ka6sox ,i want 3D-Cad only,After designed robatic then i will do software with begalboad. Jul 10 05:02:21 Circuit, can you give me an example of robatic? Jul 10 05:02:49 ewwwwwwwwwwww blender Jul 10 05:03:16 * mranostay checks tracker on his cmaera Jul 10 05:03:21 *camera even Jul 10 05:04:01 ds2, mine makes the best things....the fruity ones are kind of fun, Jul 10 05:04:21 ka6sox: do your things stay in cyberspace? Jul 10 05:04:36 nope Jul 10 05:04:44 its 3D remember Jul 10 05:04:53 what format do you use to take it out of cyberspace? Jul 10 05:05:02 Liquid Jul 10 05:05:12 liquid? Jul 10 05:05:20 what process? subtractive or additive? Jul 10 05:05:27 decimation Jul 10 05:05:37 I am confused Jul 10 05:09:09 I guess you would call it subtractive...but really nothing is lost (if you have a good long spoon) Jul 10 05:09:45 as in scrapping off clay? Jul 10 05:10:07 more like licking the bowl clean. Jul 10 05:11:03 ok Jul 10 05:12:53 toilet bowl? Jul 10 05:13:57 Blender Jul 10 05:16:25 ka6sox: don't lick the beaters when still spinning Jul 10 05:16:39 yup Jul 10 05:16:43 avoid those Jul 10 05:18:56 Ow. Jul 10 05:20:52 i swear every time i leave a state i get a proof-of-insurance letter Jul 10 05:21:34 since mail forwarding takes awhile they have the second notice about the same time :/ Jul 10 05:27:11 California to mranostay: send in that Sales Tax you aren't paying Oregon! Jul 10 05:27:44 heh liekly Jul 10 05:28:13 income tax sucks as much as CA but at least no 10% sales tax :) Jul 10 05:31:42 there is that! Jul 10 05:32:56 property is probably the same but i don't see that directly Jul 10 05:33:40 not yet Jul 10 05:37:03 * mranostay digs through meetups Jul 10 05:37:52 "Portland Javascript Admirers" Jul 10 05:37:57 does anyone play with ruby? Jul 10 05:40:37 whoisme, no, we let her play alone. Jul 10 05:41:46 bad ka6sox bad Jul 10 05:42:37 This...coming from *mranostay*???? Jul 10 05:45:05 yes i know Jul 10 05:45:22 so many pdx meetups Jul 10 05:58:04 morn' Jul 10 05:58:28 mornin! Jul 10 06:00:03 mourning panto! Jul 10 06:00:06 hiya vvu Jul 10 06:00:10 :) Jul 10 06:03:04 Tired Jul 10 06:03:30 XenoMod, its always late when someone leaves.... Jul 10 06:04:33 ~UGT Jul 10 06:10:09 What? Jul 10 06:18:20 some trolls rarely sleep Jul 10 06:19:06 <_av500_> thanks google for fucking up g+ even more Jul 10 06:22:25 hey, i m newbee to beagle board, i want to install ubuntu12.X on it, how can i install it Jul 10 06:23:14 pritesh, which version of the BB? Jul 10 06:23:39 ka6sox, beagleboard-XM Jul 10 06:26:34 pritesh, I think robert c nelson did something for this Jul 10 06:27:04 so I'd google bbxm, robert c nelson and ubuntu 12.x Jul 10 06:29:42 ok, i have fresh Memory Card, so how can i make boot pratition and files for it Jul 10 06:31:04 pritesh, are you expecting us to give you #exactsteps? Jul 10 06:32:02 i dont know any thing how to prepare memory card for beagleboard, Jul 10 06:32:37 did you google what I told you? Jul 10 06:34:31 google is my god! Jul 10 06:42:26 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/UeupwA Jul 10 06:42:26 kernel/3.8 18c43b2 Koen Kooi: 3.8: rtc cape patches... Jul 10 06:42:31 mranostay: there you go Jul 10 06:43:43 you still need a i2cset command to use it :/ Jul 10 06:44:04 hi, is there some docs about BBB and 3.8 kernel ? Jul 10 06:44:16 fucking christ Jul 10 06:44:21 google man :) Jul 10 06:44:42 too much legacy links, links to BB not BBB Jul 10 06:44:44 xD Jul 10 06:45:09 oh, fck... Jul 10 06:45:17 I forgot to notice... Jul 10 06:45:29 3.8 ANDROID kernel xD Jul 10 06:46:02 plain 3.8 linux kernel just works... bad or good but works Jul 10 06:53:57 jetty, https://docs.google.com/document/d/17P54kZkZO_-JtTjrFuVz-Cp_RMMg7GB_8W9JK9sLKfA/edit?usp=sharing Jul 10 06:54:26 the *definitive* article on the subject Jul 10 06:56:33 Hi I'm having troubles with building my own linux distro for the bbb :) Jul 10 06:57:14 I'm using the meta-ti repo because I need the gpu driver Jul 10 06:57:50 I have a serial ftdi cable attached to the serial debug header, to look what u-boot and the kernel have to tell me Jul 10 06:58:05 and he successfull boots u-boot then starts up the kernel Jul 10 06:58:38 and the kernel hangs (there is no error whatsoever) at " omap_hsmmc mmc.4: pins are not configured from the driver " Jul 10 06:58:42 what build system? Jul 10 06:58:50 yocto :) Jul 10 07:01:32 ka6sox: thank you Jul 10 07:02:12 ka6sox: do we have sgx530 ddk for 3.8 ? Jul 10 07:02:24 or is current one compataible with 3.8 ? Jul 10 07:04:24 try and find out Jul 10 07:05:39 my previous expirience with omap4 (sgx540/544) ddk shows that "do not try if support is not declared" Jul 10 07:05:52 that is why I ask _before_ try Jul 10 07:09:07 moin Jul 10 07:09:13 hey KotH Jul 10 07:09:25 carp Jul 10 07:09:27 hey greek guy! Jul 10 07:09:30 and crap Jul 10 07:09:33 hey drunk guy! Jul 10 07:09:58 hey i'm sober Jul 10 07:10:03 mostly Jul 10 07:10:34 ok.. Jul 10 07:10:40 hey nearly drunk guy! Jul 10 07:13:02 Greek, is'n he swissss Jul 10 07:13:14 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/2XqX2Q Jul 10 07:13:15 kernel/3.8 e279c5c Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix makefile... Jul 10 07:29:58 I tried core-image-minimal for my bbb Jul 10 07:30:06 and it results in the same error Jul 10 07:31:26 fenrig, did you pastebin the error and I missed it? Jul 10 07:32:57 ka6sox: Not yet, I'll do it :) hang on a sec Jul 10 07:34:46 ka6sox: https://gist.github.com/fenrig/5964183 Jul 10 07:36:05 fenrig, this is a BBB? Jul 10 07:36:13 yes beaglebone black Jul 10 07:37:04 does it just hang at that point or did you just truncate the log? Jul 10 07:37:09 it hangs Jul 10 07:37:16 no output after that Jul 10 07:37:23 and i'm using the debug header on the bbb$ Jul 10 07:38:47 are you using a uSD or the eMMC? Jul 10 07:39:12 uSD Jul 10 07:39:45 I have the original distro in the internal flash (eMMC) Jul 10 07:40:03 this looks to me like a FDT issue Jul 10 07:40:11 but I'd have to ask panto Jul 10 07:40:23 Flattened Device Tree issue? Jul 10 07:40:28 yes Jul 10 07:40:41 。。 Jul 10 07:40:49 so using another dtb could potentially fix this? Jul 10 07:41:14 before I started throwing DTBs around I'd first try the stock ones :) Jul 10 07:41:14 cause I have some old ones too :) Jul 10 07:41:19 oh Jul 10 07:41:26 Hello ka6sox, Jul 10 07:41:32 that worked (with meta-beagleboard) Jul 10 07:41:40 again, I'd ask panto given what I am seeing when he is around. Jul 10 07:41:45 morning RockyZheng Jul 10 07:41:51 but I started using meta-ti because meta-beagleboard doesn't actually work decently :) Jul 10 07:41:54 ka6sox: does bbb have embedded EEPROM Jul 10 07:41:55 ? Jul 10 07:42:05 RockyZheng, for what? Jul 10 07:42:14 ? Jul 10 07:42:14 fenrig, where did you get that dtb you're booting with? Jul 10 07:42:16 for the Virtual Capes? Jul 10 07:42:17 I could however upload my images :) Jul 10 07:42:22 panto: generated it with meta-ti Jul 10 07:42:31 ugh Jul 10 07:42:40 I have no idea what's in there Jul 10 07:42:42 panto: ...? Jul 10 07:42:49 probably not going to have the capemgr Jul 10 07:42:50 no, does bbb have embedded EEPROM Jul 10 07:43:04 RockyZheng, it has eMMC Jul 10 07:43:04 RockyZheng, no Jul 10 07:43:08 it has eMMC Jul 10 07:43:12 like panto said :) Jul 10 07:43:15 can you paste the dts source? Jul 10 07:43:15 or , odes bbb include embedded EEPROM on borad? Jul 10 07:43:28 RockyZheng, nope Jul 10 07:43:32 not present. Jul 10 07:43:35 so, how can I to config two expansion headers? Jul 10 07:43:48 with capemanager Jul 10 07:44:00 and DTS/DTB's Jul 10 07:44:19 http://beagleboard.org/Support/bone101/#headers Jul 10 07:44:29 what? Jul 10 07:44:30 you lost me there Hoss Jul 10 07:44:47 I know nothing about JavaScripty things... Jul 10 07:44:48 using capemanager to config expansion headers (P8 & P9) Jul 10 07:45:00 yes, thats what I know Jul 10 07:45:05 what? Jul 10 07:45:09 java? Jul 10 07:45:27 i didn't ask any question relative to java! Jul 10 07:45:48 panto: will do :) Jul 10 07:45:59 see the seciont: Headers http://beagleboard.org/Support/bone101/#headers Jul 10 07:46:10 different config for headers Jul 10 07:46:19 but i don't know how to config it Jul 10 07:46:21 panto: btw i'm using the dtb from the meta-beagleboard and now the kernel doesn't boot anymore so there is definetely a big difference Jul 10 07:46:38 RockyZheng, look at the bottom ones about the bbb emmc and hdmi Jul 10 07:46:47 in general, you should only use the dtb that are part of the kernel sources Jul 10 07:47:06 I don't know where that dtb is pulled/generated from Jul 10 07:47:09 RockyZheng, to configure them you use the supplied DTBs and load them Jul 10 07:47:33 there are generic ones available for things like i2c and uarts Jul 10 07:47:47 and for things like GPMC and others too, Jul 10 07:48:15 they are found in /firmware/capes/ Jul 10 07:48:31 what is DTBs? Jul 10 07:48:50 cheers ka6sox, just made a successful toaster reflow Jul 10 07:48:58 Compiled loadable Flattened Device Tree files Jul 10 07:49:03 mastiff_, excellent! Jul 10 07:49:14 hackRF board Jul 10 07:49:19 ah, nice Jul 10 07:49:31 saw those in an article recently (or was it a video?) Jul 10 07:49:50 over 200 0402 parts Jul 10 07:49:58 fleas! Jul 10 07:50:17 yeah but with some practive it's actually not bad Jul 10 07:50:22 where i can find the dir "/firmware/capes?" Jul 10 07:50:30 you get them close with tweezers then adjust with dental pick before reflow Jul 10 07:50:33 panto: ' KERNEL_DEVICETREE_beaglebone = "arch/arm/boot/dts/am335x-bone.dts" ' Jul 10 07:51:00 mastiff_, same tools I use Jul 10 07:51:11 RockyZheng, on the BBB Jul 10 07:52:05 fenrig, that gets patched 7 ways from sunday.... Jul 10 07:52:18 so you really do need to know whats *in* it Jul 10 07:52:38 okay, it's not obvious where I can find the patched one :o in yocto got any pointers on that? Jul 10 07:52:50 FRIDAY!!! Jul 10 07:53:03 av500, wrong channel Jul 10 07:53:04 friday everyday! Jul 10 07:53:11 aka: vacation Jul 10 07:53:16 fenrig, it says where it is in.... Jul 10 07:53:21 you just pasted it Jul 10 07:53:31 fenrig: yocto doesn't support the beaglebone Jul 10 07:53:35 ka6sox: yes but it's relative to where I can find the kernel source Jul 10 07:53:44 fenrig: I think you mean oe-core + layers Jul 10 07:53:56 ya, he said meta-ti Jul 10 07:54:10 and I've used meta-beagleboard before that Jul 10 07:54:13 that's not yocto Jul 10 07:54:26 and meta-ti sucks balls when it comes to beaglebone support Jul 10 07:54:31 okay excuse me :/ Jul 10 07:54:38 it doesn't even support the black Jul 10 07:54:42 what exactly is yocto? Jul 10 07:54:47 just do what the srm says and use angstrom Jul 10 07:54:53 :) Jul 10 07:54:56 openembedded + bitbake under a umbrella organisation Jul 10 07:54:56 av500: an umbrella project Jul 10 07:55:01 fenrig: wrong Jul 10 07:55:15 fenrig: stop confusing yocto and poky Jul 10 07:55:26 okay folks I need to sleep... Jul 10 07:55:27 okay sorry :/ Jul 10 07:55:28 niters! Jul 10 07:56:27 koen: are you koen kooi? the maintainer of meta-beagleboard? Jul 10 07:57:10 fenrig, that's for the bone in general Jul 10 07:57:10 the bone black has a different dts Jul 10 07:57:10 fenrig, you're using yocto? :) Jul 10 07:57:10 dig around in angstrom Jul 10 07:57:11 I don't think yocto has the latest bits Jul 10 07:57:11 * panto points fenrig to koen Jul 10 07:57:33 koen: you've missed a nice trolling yesterday on #yocto Jul 10 07:57:47 logs or it did not happen Jul 10 07:57:51 av500, +1 troll point Jul 10 07:57:52 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/yocto/yocto.20130710.txt Jul 10 07:58:13 I somehow said he'd better never ever come on #beagle Jul 10 07:58:14 ant_work: tl;dr Jul 10 07:58:31 lpapp? Jul 10 07:58:35 yup Jul 10 07:58:42 aaaah Jul 10 07:58:47 btdt Jul 10 07:59:20 uhm okay, sorry I'm still a noob at this obviously. Jul 10 07:59:22 hi, ka6sox-away Jul 10 07:59:28 are you still there Jul 10 08:00:05 but I do need to build a linux distro with poky using yocto doc's for my beaglebone black Jul 10 08:00:40 and I do need the gpu driver, yesterday using meta-beagleboard I could not load /dev/fb0 (framebuffer) Jul 10 08:01:13 Jul 09 20:09:33 Yocto is a complex stuff as I see. :) Jul 10 08:01:27 I'll take that as a definition from now on Jul 10 08:02:02 fenrig, why not use angstrom? Jul 10 08:02:24 it's going to be hard to introduce bone to yocto afaikt Jul 10 08:02:41 what does the gpu have to do with /dev/fb0? Jul 10 08:02:43 panto: doesn't angstrom use yocto and poky too? Jul 10 08:02:44 av500: just take the complex conjugate of it, and it becomes simple again ;) Jul 10 08:02:51 er.. Jul 10 08:03:01 av500: just multiply with the complex conjugate of it, and it becomes simple again ;) Jul 10 08:03:02 koen: isn't it the framebuffer? Jul 10 08:03:08 .o0(Still too early) Jul 10 08:03:23 last I checked dev/fb was a chunk of memory Jul 10 08:03:36 unless you have a storage tube Jul 10 08:03:53 https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt Jul 10 08:04:04 OMG Jul 10 08:04:05 "Jul 09 20:07:54 meta-machine layers should have a conf/[distro|machine] set of config files Jul 10 08:04:08 " Jul 10 08:04:20 can he *be* any more wrong? Jul 10 08:04:30 (imagine that in a chandler bing voice) Jul 10 08:04:39 "The frame buffer device provides an abstraction for the graphics hardware. It represents the frame buffer of some video hardware and allows application software to access the graphics hardware through a well-defined interface, so the software doesn't need to know anything about the low-level (hardware register) stuff." Jul 10 08:05:17 on a PC, yes Jul 10 08:05:27 av500: ... Jul 10 08:05:31 "some video hardware" != "GPU" Jul 10 08:05:32 av500: best of it is Jul 05 12:06:06 I am getting rid of Yocto for the time being. Jul 10 08:05:39 yes Jul 10 08:06:08 ant_work: its not like I never ran into this guy before :) Jul 10 08:06:16 okay so I tried starting X and it could not find /dev/fb0 Jul 10 08:06:26 av500 tut mir leid Jul 10 08:06:28 he was being "difficult" on panda and l-o too Jul 10 08:06:43 it complained about having no screens or devices found :o Jul 10 08:07:03 so I looked into it and concluded it was because the graphics hardware is not working :/ Jul 10 08:07:38 I can be wrong, I'm just trying to understand this stuff :/ I have not that much experience with linux embedded Jul 10 08:08:50 Jul 09 22:02:58 I will look for a bugreport and vote, and invite others who agree with me. Jul 10 08:08:56 democracy!!!! Jul 10 08:09:33 only 3k more votes needed for a nobel peace price nomination Jul 10 08:10:02 wtf is hob? Jul 10 08:12:03 av500: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hob maybe? Jul 10 08:12:46 my mom had a HOB terminal on her desk for years Jul 10 08:13:37 so :o Jul 10 08:13:59 how do I achieve getting X to run decently using µhdmi? Jul 10 08:14:35 connect a cable? Jul 10 08:14:37 +1 Jul 10 08:14:47 worked for me with the stock nagstorm Jul 10 08:15:31 Okey but using stock isn't going to help me. I'm investigating how I have to work with yocto - poky - openembedded - bitbake :/ Jul 10 08:15:53 I want to compile Qt on it, and generate a SDK for cross compilation Jul 10 08:16:17 if you don't want to use angstrom, then you have to port the changes of angstrom to yocto Jul 10 08:16:28 that's all there is to do Jul 10 08:16:38 there are no shortcuts Jul 10 08:16:54 angstrom has QT Jul 10 08:17:03 heds up.. fun is staring on #yocto Jul 10 08:17:07 *heads Jul 10 08:17:19 more lp? Jul 10 08:17:31 av500: yes, pls log as Guestxyz ;) Jul 10 08:17:44 too late Jul 10 08:17:51 ant_work, I could use an editor's best of the logs Jul 10 08:17:52 or he'll make that you'll be fired Jul 10 08:17:56 ... Jul 10 08:18:05 right Jul 10 08:18:10 that was somebody else Jul 10 08:18:11 fenrig: angstrom is officially yocto compatible Jul 10 08:18:13 fenrig: poky isn't Jul 10 08:18:21 so take your pick Jul 10 08:18:26 koen: wth is hob? Jul 10 08:18:42 av500: a GUI supposedly for noobs Jul 10 08:18:55 av500: kinda like narcissus, but done wrong Jul 10 08:19:10 ah Jul 10 08:19:34 I don't get what machine conf's angstrom uses for the beaglebone black :o Jul 10 08:19:37 https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-angstrom Jul 10 08:19:52 I don't see any machine's in there (as it is a distro) Jul 10 08:20:07 fenrig: follow the steps in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom and use MACHINE=beaglebone Jul 10 08:20:10 easy as that Jul 10 08:20:18 everything is setup for you Jul 10 08:20:22 including QT support Jul 10 08:20:25 Hello KotH Jul 10 08:20:25 fenrig: but again, angstrom has QT, no? Jul 10 08:20:28 KotH: Jul 10 08:20:46 does bbb includes embedded EEPROM? Jul 10 08:20:49 av500: Jul 10 08:21:12 one word: read the schematics Jul 10 08:21:55 don't take advice from people who can't count or chose not to. Jul 10 08:22:05 你怎么样? Jul 10 08:23:41 av500: yes it has, but I'm learning about yocto - poky Jul 10 08:23:59 av500: so using a prebuilt distro won't learn me much Jul 10 08:24:06 fenrig: poky isn't yocto compatible, so why do you want to use that? Jul 10 08:24:48 on a BBBlack(Debian, internal storage), every time i run this script( http://pastebin.com/kvsVPsbc ) with this circuit( http://imagebin.org/263984 ), after a few seconds the heartbeat would slow down, then come back up with the file system read only. any ideas? im new to owning a beaglebone, i havent quite figured out its qwerks yet. Jul 10 08:25:17 koen: huh? https://www.yoctoproject.org/downloads - how is it not yocto compatible (I thought yocto was the organisation) Jul 10 08:31:59 flufmsntr: one word: show the schematics Jul 10 08:33:01 fenrig: [10:01:13] Jul 09 20:09:33 Yocto is a complex stuff as I see. :) Jul 10 08:34:17 av500: didn't he include the schematic? Jul 10 08:36:11 fenrig: ah he did Jul 10 08:36:22 ignore all I said and assume the opposite Jul 10 08:36:37 fenrig: https://www.yoctoproject.org/ecosystem/compliance-program-registrar Jul 10 08:37:10 ant_work: where is the promised action? Jul 10 08:37:42 fenrig: poky failed to pass the tests in the compliance program Jul 10 08:37:49 yocto folks don't like admitting that :) Jul 10 08:38:09 koen: hence why I didn't know Jul 10 08:38:20 av500: he's keeping low-profile morning Jul 10 08:38:36 so, like I said: Jul 10 08:38:36 10:20 < koen> fenrig: follow the steps in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom and use MACHINE=beaglebone Jul 10 08:38:54 that gets you a working stack of oe-core and layers *and* it's yocto compatible Jul 10 08:39:39 koen: can I then still define my own image? Jul 10 08:39:52 flufmsntr: no base resistors? Jul 10 08:40:05 dunno what transistors and what base current Jul 10 08:41:06 av500: do you think he's already out of arguments? Jul 10 08:42:41 flufmsntr: add base resistores Jul 10 08:42:43 -e Jul 10 08:42:45 fenrig: why not? Jul 10 08:42:45 koen: And what about the machine conf, does angstrom has it's own machine conf for beaglebone black? Jul 10 08:42:55 no, angstrom is a distro Jul 10 08:43:20 koen: well then, how does it fix my "can't start X because there is no /dev/fb0" error? Jul 10 08:43:38 ant_work: annoying is not how (wrong) argument, but insisting to discuss it over and over again Jul 10 08:43:41 I would have kicked him Jul 10 08:44:48 koen: I see that rockbox-linux is compliant :) Jul 10 08:46:02 and you guys suggested I shouldn't use meta-ti :/ Jul 10 08:46:15 because it has no (decent) support for BBB Jul 10 08:46:29 what do you suggest then for machine meta layer? Jul 10 08:47:15 fenrig: i'm not surprised that your circuit breaks your bbb Jul 10 08:47:27 fenrig: you have current flowing from the 5V supply into your bbb Jul 10 08:48:03 KotH: uhm :D i'm doing something else I think you mean " flufmsntr " Jul 10 08:48:18 fenrig: oops.. sorry Jul 10 08:48:31 flufmsntr: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jul 10 08:48:42 KotH: ;) Jul 10 08:49:01 fenrig: I know in the angstrom setup I get an fb0 Jul 10 08:49:10 I don't know what poky and/or meta-ti does to break that Jul 10 08:49:22 maybe layer ordering or something Jul 10 08:49:44 jackmitchell1 uses oe-core + meta-beagle (and not poky) and he has it working Jul 10 08:50:23 so i should use https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard Jul 10 08:50:29 and as distro angstrom Jul 10 08:50:39 oh my, more chad saga on gpl-violations Jul 10 08:50:49 10:20 < koen> fenrig: follow the steps in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom and use MACHINE=beaglebone Jul 10 08:52:25 koen: as background, fenrig got error with do_devicetree_image() in linux.inc (package_stagefile_shell) doing oe-core + meta-beagleboard Jul 10 08:52:53 ant_work: and I fixed it :) I did not use angstrom or the setup scripts at that time Jul 10 08:53:14 ..even though I and other suggested A. for any beagle* need ;) Jul 10 08:53:14 I can confirm that oe-core + meta-beagle works a charm Jul 10 08:53:44 so that could be a another part of why i got the " do_devicetree_image() ", I did however send in a "issue" and how I fixed it Jul 10 08:53:45 av500: anything worth reading? Jul 10 08:54:19 where can I find this meta-beagle as I'm using meta-beagleboard Jul 10 08:55:04 fenrig: I meant meta-beagleboard; I was just typing lazy Jul 10 08:55:19 jackmitchell1: yeah thought so, but had to be sure :p Jul 10 08:55:25 np ;) Jul 10 08:56:19 jackmitchell1: I did however produce a fine build, but when I added my own image layer (before i was using core-image-minimal) and builded it I couldn't start X Jul 10 08:56:30 sorry was under other nick which didnt highlight my nick Jul 10 08:56:42 base resisters. got it. Jul 10 08:56:56 fenrig: ah, I use a very minimal image without X, so I can't help you with that I'm afraid Jul 10 08:57:19 im taking power from the P9 connector. i should be plugging into the 3v pin then? Jul 10 08:57:39 koen: what if I just add the meta-angstrom layer to my poky dir and use angstrom as distro? Jul 10 08:57:54 koen: should that fix my /dev/fb0 thing? Jul 10 08:58:39 koen: ps. I'm sorry I'm asking this much, I do want to understand what goes wrong Jul 10 08:58:42 fenrig: you can't mix poky and angstrom; they are two different distros Jul 10 08:59:00 either use meta-beagleboard; oe-core + meta-oe Jul 10 08:59:08 either use meta-beagleboard; oe-core + meta-oe + meta-angstrom Jul 10 08:59:18 jackmitchell1: isn't poky just a layer? Jul 10 08:59:22 or use meta-beagleboard; oe-core + meta-oe + meta-poky Jul 10 08:59:23 for a distro? Jul 10 08:59:37 fenrig: poky is a layer, which defines a distro Jul 10 09:00:00 10:20 < koen> fenrig: follow the steps in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom and use MACHINE=beaglebone Jul 10 09:00:11 jackmitchell1: so If i add the angstrom layer and define anstrom as distro Jul 10 09:00:12 I can repeat that some more times if needed Jul 10 09:00:52 fenrig: then you should get an Angstrom centric distro, but if you want to build Angstrom, then follow koens instructiosna bove Jul 10 09:01:36 okay will do, kinda hate that angstrom has scripts for this :/ as it hides what I'd like to know Jul 10 09:01:51 fenrig: the scripts only do the initial pull of all the layers Jul 10 09:02:14 fenrig: once it has pulled all the layers, then you can browse through it all like a normal oe setup Jul 10 09:02:27 jackmitchell1: okay Jul 10 09:05:14 fenrig: if you look through the setup script you should see what is going on, it's not all that complicated Jul 10 09:06:46 you guys like doing thigns the hard way Jul 10 09:06:47 :-) Jul 10 09:07:18 mrpackethead: I take it you like 'the hob' way then :P Jul 10 09:07:30 "the hob" Jul 10 09:07:31 ? Jul 10 09:07:55 mrpackethead: heh, in that case you use the hard way too Jul 10 09:08:11 i never got the angstrom thing Jul 10 09:08:14 you either use the bitbake way, or the hob way Jul 10 09:08:24 first job i did was to install debian Jul 10 09:08:25 ok, or the 'no way' ;P Jul 10 09:08:44 that's nice, until you need to do something serious and deterministic Jul 10 09:08:52 jackmitchell1: buildroot ;) Jul 10 09:08:59 jackmitchell1: im doing some serious stuff now Jul 10 09:09:04 KotH: buildroot is the jihad way :P Jul 10 09:09:04 and its doing a nice job. Jul 10 09:09:08 *g* Jul 10 09:09:15 mrpackethead: serious business? Jul 10 09:09:19 flufmnstr: http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:LED_output Jul 10 09:09:23 but if you want deterministic, you'd hardly trust any OS Jul 10 09:09:53 I trust one where I know exactly what goes in it and how, better than one which is built unknown and uncontrolled by me Jul 10 09:10:24 sure. Jul 10 09:10:34 Debian is good, but I can't grep it as well as an oe-core build Jul 10 09:10:36 but trust was'tn the issue. Jul 10 09:10:59 deterministic behaviour is Jul 10 09:11:05 and if you have an OS with interupts Jul 10 09:11:10 deterministic build Jul 10 09:11:11 ... Jul 10 09:11:14 not behaviour Jul 10 09:11:16 in OE we trust? Jul 10 09:11:23 in hobbits we trust Jul 10 09:11:52 if I wanted deterministic behaviour I need to go back to asm bitbanging ;) Jul 10 09:12:03 in bitbang we trust Jul 10 09:12:03 mrpackethead: at least hobbits know how to eat :) Jul 10 09:12:18 I'm getting very determininstic behaviour out of erics BCC design Jul 10 09:12:27 very pleased with how thats working Jul 10 09:12:46 an fpga is as deterministic as the vhdl you lod inside, no? Jul 10 09:12:50 load Jul 10 09:12:52 are you using it for led? Jul 10 09:13:11 av500: nope Jul 10 09:13:22 mastiff_: bidirectional DMX-512, 4 universes, with RDM Jul 10 09:13:24 heh, my FPGA colleague would strongly disagree with that Jul 10 09:13:36 av500: the vhdl can trigger non-deterministic behaviour within the fpga Jul 10 09:13:36 KotH: you mean I need a real time FPGA? Jul 10 09:13:45 av500: definitly! Jul 10 09:13:49 av500: with a real-time OS Jul 10 09:14:01 meh, i'll get an rpi instead.... Jul 10 09:14:07 juup Jul 10 09:14:08 that at least has XBMC Jul 10 09:14:11 easier to realtime Jul 10 09:14:17 showtime! Jul 10 09:14:23 why dont' we port angstrom into an FPGA Jul 10 09:14:36 flufmnstr: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/06/control-led-using-gpio-output-pin/ Jul 10 09:14:52 but can you connect "generic USB camera, and compile OpenCV" for my my homework Jul 10 09:14:55 i've seen arduino in an fpga Jul 10 09:15:06 arduino or avr? Jul 10 09:15:17 API or CPU? Jul 10 09:15:17 bcc will be first fpga i've played with though Jul 10 09:15:29 maybe we should design a "homework cape" and sell it to unsupecting students who are prepared to cheat Jul 10 09:15:41 .o0(nothing better than listening to turkish military march musik while doing hw design) Jul 10 09:15:45 it woudl be a great scam Jul 10 09:15:57 KotH: will the turkish military march soon? Jul 10 09:16:06 av500: i hope they do Jul 10 09:16:13 in march? Jul 10 09:16:19 march in march Jul 10 09:16:54 av500: third month of the hijri Jul 10 09:17:37 I'm designing something new Jul 10 09:17:41 to me at least Jul 10 09:17:48 simple desing. Jul 10 09:18:02 have you ever used Copper Clad PCB's Jul 10 09:18:32 where you can have "pedestals" of copper come through the Top and middle layers Jul 10 09:18:54 mrpackethead: pedestals? Jul 10 09:18:55 so you create a 'pedestal' of copper that is connected to the main copper base Jul 10 09:19:19 mrpackethead: blind vias? Jul 10 09:19:21 no.. Jul 10 09:19:33 hold, i'll find a picture Jul 10 09:19:35 then i dont understand Jul 10 09:20:42 * av500 puts mrpackethead on a copper pedestal Jul 10 09:21:06 https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1053311_10151722095847661_1113360287_o.jpg Jul 10 09:21:21 through section of teh pcb Jul 10 09:21:59 ah, you mean holes in the top layers so you can mount parts directly on one of the middle layers? Jul 10 09:22:55 bottom metal? Jul 10 09:23:15 ah... Jul 10 09:23:19 ok, now i get it Jul 10 09:23:22 mrpackethead: no Jul 10 09:23:35 mrpackethead: never had the use for something like that Jul 10 09:23:47 KotH: explain me Jul 10 09:25:19 structured metal base beneath the PCB for thermal conductivity. metal base has pedestals on which you mount the heat generating components Jul 10 09:25:49 and said pedestals fit into holes in the PCB Jul 10 09:25:55 exactly Jul 10 09:25:58 ah Jul 10 09:26:21 or rather, the PCB is laminated around those pedestals Jul 10 09:26:31 complex and expensive stuff Jul 10 09:26:52 you see it more often that the core of the PCB is replaced with an aluminium plate Jul 10 09:27:03 without pedestals Jul 10 09:27:50 mrpackethead: correct me if i misunderstood you Jul 10 09:28:08 KotH: you got it Jul 10 09:28:37 if we used just a standard MCPCB,with two dielectrics Jul 10 09:28:43 basically, an iron throne for the PCB :) Jul 10 09:28:50 we'd get about 0.6W/C Jul 10 09:29:09 mrpackethead: W/C or C/W? Jul 10 09:29:18 doh. Jul 10 09:29:21 you know what i meant Jul 10 09:29:26 its been a long day Jul 10 09:29:31 resistance or conductivity? :) Jul 10 09:29:40 C/W Jul 10 09:29:48 with the copper pedestal Jul 10 09:29:51 hmm.. that's quite decent, i'd say Jul 10 09:29:52 we get 0.1C/W Jul 10 09:29:57 wow! Jul 10 09:30:02 for the led i'm sticking on it Jul 10 09:30:16 well.. epoxy and prereg are poor thermal conductors Jul 10 09:30:26 it makes a differnence of 18 degrees at the junction Jul 10 09:30:41 thats corrosponds to 31% more light Jul 10 09:31:24 i can understand why you want to use it. you probably also have the volume to do it cheaply Jul 10 09:31:26 don't assume you can simply ignore the current lkinit on the led Jul 10 09:31:38 it's not only thermal Jul 10 09:31:41 our usualy low volume customers don't have such strict thermal requirements Jul 10 09:32:30 hmm.. strict is the wrong word... maybe "advanced" ? Jul 10 09:33:40 I've never done anything quite like this before Jul 10 09:33:53 so, its omething new Jul 10 09:34:00 irrational requirements? Jul 10 09:34:13 mastiff_: realiablity and outptu are not rirraitonal Jul 10 09:34:35 keeping the junction temp down on high power leds, will make them last forver Jul 10 09:34:47 well, 60,000 hours is close enough to forever Jul 10 09:35:05 remember my idea for a sail led display? Jul 10 09:35:10 mrpackethead: if you do it, i would be interested in the experiences you had Jul 10 09:35:15 i've scaled it down to a flag Jul 10 09:35:24 KotH: i have some sample dies, i'm working with Jul 10 09:35:31 from the LED manfuacturer Jul 10 09:35:35 using the same tech Jul 10 09:35:45 they put me in touch with their fabricator Jul 10 09:36:24 it would be fun to make a flexible display in the form of a flag for various purposes Jul 10 09:36:38 i had contemplated using their pcb, but its more const effective to design our own Jul 10 09:36:49 then we can put all the drive circuitry on the same board Jul 10 09:36:57 reduce connectors and Jul 10 09:37:04 stuff Jul 10 09:37:11 * KotH nods Jul 10 09:37:24 what volumes do you expect? couple 100k/y? Jul 10 09:37:25 its also interesting for power supply desing Jul 10 09:37:34 mrpackethead: just get a ton of cheap after season sale christmas lights Jul 10 09:37:53 KotH, i'd love to do that, but we are unlikely to do that Jul 10 09:38:03 10k Jul 10 09:38:48 av500: yeah. i'm replacing 500W tungsten par bulbs Jul 10 09:38:58 with RGBW fixtures Jul 10 09:39:10 mrpackethead: what watt ratio do you have for tungsten vs led Jul 10 09:39:17 roughly Jul 10 09:39:19 sorry ratio? Jul 10 09:39:30 well, 100W tungsten = x watt LED? Jul 10 09:39:38 its not that simple really Jul 10 09:39:41 :) Jul 10 09:39:46 and i dont' like those comparisons Jul 10 09:39:50 neither do I Jul 10 09:39:57 becuase they cause more headaches later Jul 10 09:40:08 and I find that all these "equals X watt buld" on consumer stuff is wrong Jul 10 09:40:13 bulb Jul 10 09:40:22 we talka bout lumens Jul 10 09:40:26 what they sell as 60W equiv in LED is dim shit Jul 10 09:40:58 mrpackethead: right Jul 10 09:40:58 we are selling into the professional market so we dont' ahve to do silly consumer marketing Jul 10 09:41:12 but I see the same in lumen Jul 10 09:41:22 like a 100W bulb is said to have 1000 lumen Jul 10 09:41:32 and then I get some 1000 lumen led and its dimn Jul 10 09:41:34 i can tell you that 12v 2w led is roughly equal in brightness to 10-15w halogens in my boat Jul 10 09:41:34 dim Jul 10 09:41:47 saves me nice power Jul 10 09:41:53 mastiff_: yes Jul 10 09:41:58 so you ratio is ¨1:5 Jul 10 09:42:01 so you ratio is ~1:5 Jul 10 09:42:38 i also have all led for nav lights that i can modulate with pwm for higher brightness in traffic, and lower offshore Jul 10 09:42:47 the theoritical limit for LED's is about 260 lumen / W Jul 10 09:42:47 using bbb Jul 10 09:43:29 those are my favorite sorts of stats.... limits Jul 10 09:43:52 that would give >1000 lumen from 5W :) Jul 10 09:43:54 that would be nice Jul 10 09:44:08 commerically avaialble now,Cree have a 200lumen/W led Jul 10 09:44:11 and the LED would be glowing red hot! Jul 10 09:44:23 KotH: 5W led is not ref hot Jul 10 09:44:25 optical efficiency is equally important as far as sending light in the right direction Jul 10 09:44:50 my disco light runs from a 5W LED Jul 10 09:44:55 and a 200mm lens :) Jul 10 09:45:14 cree makes some nice high power leds. who else? Jul 10 09:45:24 all the fake cree makers of course :) Jul 10 09:45:29 the ones from dx.com Jul 10 09:45:29 Up to 1769 lm @ 15 W, 85°C Jul 10 09:45:33 hehe Jul 10 09:45:38 mrpackethead: gimme Jul 10 09:45:56 you gotta keep the die at 85C Jul 10 09:45:59 and that takes some serious work Jul 10 09:46:08 not a trivial proposition Jul 10 09:46:21 mrpackethead: constant temp? or max tem? Jul 10 09:46:27 max Jul 10 09:46:36 lower you can run it Jul 10 09:46:38 the better Jul 10 09:46:43 mrpackethead: how big is the led? 4mmx4mm? Jul 10 09:46:46 too bad LEDs cannot radiate heat like bulbs Jul 10 09:46:49 7x7 Jul 10 09:47:08 mrpackethead: hmm... challenging... but not impossible Jul 10 09:47:10 most boats only need 2 nautical miles visibility Jul 10 09:47:42 for regs anyways Jul 10 09:48:00 https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1014645_10151722120307661_1986961408_o.jpg Jul 10 09:48:17 this is for a white led Jul 10 09:48:34 when you have colours ( particularly red ) the graph will be quite a bit steaper Jul 10 09:48:35 mrpackethead: ever thought about heat pipes? Jul 10 09:48:41 KotH: absotely Jul 10 09:48:52 mrpackethead: and? Jul 10 09:49:00 and active cooling Jul 10 09:49:19 in pro lighting apps, power consumption is'nt really a consideration Jul 10 09:49:30 if you stick a 15W fan in teh back of a 90W led fixture Jul 10 09:49:37 its pretty much a "who cares" Jul 10 09:50:02 but a fan is a maintaince headache Jul 10 09:50:13 and also makes life hard if you need to waterproof Jul 10 09:50:24 peltier? Jul 10 09:50:34 yeah, you coudl Jul 10 09:50:41 well, with water around, you can use it for cooling Jul 10 09:50:59 have you seen the cooling systems they use for roadside cellular cabinets? Jul 10 09:51:00 hardly anything better to get rid of lots of heat, if you have a lake nearby Jul 10 09:51:15 KotH: we have some fountain lighting Jul 10 09:51:21 that was not a thermal issue Jul 10 09:51:22 :-) Jul 10 09:51:22 mrpackethead: we dont have roadside cellular cabinets :) Jul 10 09:51:37 really? Jul 10 09:51:42 nope Jul 10 09:51:44 you dot' have cell towers? Jul 10 09:51:51 maybe they are not road-side Jul 10 09:51:51 nope Jul 10 09:51:59 nope Jul 10 09:52:07 i knwo you ahve cell phones in .ch Jul 10 09:52:16 they are on top of buildings and hidden in church towers Jul 10 09:52:20 ok. Jul 10 09:52:26 advantage of having a high population density :) Jul 10 09:52:33 so, most of the ones in NZ in teh citys are on buildings Jul 10 09:52:46 but same gig Jul 10 09:52:55 they often have totally enclosed cabinets Jul 10 09:52:58 yeah.. but you dont see the rigs Jul 10 09:52:59 with all their gear in them Jul 10 09:53:02 just the antennas Jul 10 09:53:15 they run active peltier devices Jul 10 09:53:17 and sometimes the heat exchanger of an AC unit Jul 10 09:53:19 to cool the cabinets Jul 10 09:53:53 <__av500__> its all the hot talk on the phones Jul 10 09:53:58 <__av500__> need to get rid of that heat Jul 10 09:54:58 __av500__, use them as bricks? Jul 10 09:55:13 <__av500__> them what? Jul 10 09:55:22 and build your house with them for heat? Jul 10 09:55:47 <__av500__> hmm Jul 10 09:55:48 <__av500__> right Jul 10 09:58:37 gone is my evil clone Jul 10 09:59:25 and i thought it was an experiment gone wrong, with the double wings and all Jul 10 10:09:20 the 46port pinout for the beaglebone is the same for the black and white right? Jul 10 10:12:56 flufmnstr, P8 and P9 are the same but the eMMC and HDMI conflict some on the black compared to the white Jul 10 10:13:36 eMMC HDMI conflict? Jul 10 10:18:04 flufmnstr, the eMMC and HDMI use some of the pins in the P8/P9 headers Jul 10 10:18:14 in the same way the eMMC and HDMI capes would if you had them on a white bone Jul 10 10:18:33 so just watch out for conflicts there if you're wiring up, or see the wiki for cape conflict info Jul 10 10:19:03 im new to BB. so im trying to figure out all the weirdness. but have 3 RPis Jul 10 10:19:18 flufmnstr, do you have a white or black bone? Jul 10 10:19:23 black Jul 10 10:19:52 im trying to use even pins 12-22 as GPIOs to fiddle a small LED matrix Jul 10 10:20:03 flufmnstr, on which header? Jul 10 10:20:05 and 2 of my rows are staying lit. Jul 10 10:20:08 P8 or P9 Jul 10 10:20:10 P8 Jul 10 10:20:16 ok, do you have the pinmux set properly for those pins? Jul 10 10:20:28 i havnt the slightest Jul 10 10:20:43 so, time to read up on pinmux then eh? Jul 10 10:21:19 flufmnstr, yes, it's not as simple as it could be Jul 10 10:22:14 http://hipstercircuits.com/ <- that site has some good introductory info Jul 10 10:23:57 with older kernels you could simply modify the pin mux through the sysfs but that's gone away in favor of device tree Jul 10 10:24:24 eurgh, this socfpga stuff pin muxing is a mess Jul 10 10:24:40 jackmitchell1, pinmuxing in general is a mess no matter how you do it :) Jul 10 10:24:53 jackmitchell1, just be glad you can't remap pins in addition to muxing Jul 10 10:24:55 back to the same old, hardware first software afterthought Jul 10 10:25:08 bradfa: that's just the thing, I can Jul 10 10:25:09 jackmitchell1, why would we do it any other way? :) Jul 10 10:25:11 glancing over that hipstercircuit site looks like theres a lot of neat pin control one can do Jul 10 10:25:16 jackmitchell1, oh, true :) Jul 10 10:25:40 bradfa: so Linux thinks the pins are there, and can try and manage them; but in the FPGA they have been remapped Jul 10 10:25:41 flufmnstr, yes, and once you grok the way to do it it's not that bad, just the learning curve appears steep at first Jul 10 10:25:54 jackmitchell1, I don't envy you Jul 10 10:26:03 bradfa: there never was a sysfs way, only a debugfs way Jul 10 10:26:13 koen, ah, thanks Jul 10 10:26:16 * bradfa needs coffee Jul 10 10:26:20 bradfa: there is no method of keeping state between the two, they have just ignored pinmuxing in Linux all together Jul 10 10:26:20 looking at some settings screenshots, it makes sense. now to figure out how it works. to google! Jul 10 10:26:23 * jackmitchell1 rages! Jul 10 10:26:39 * koen backports http://patches.openembedded.org/patch/49305/ Jul 10 10:27:15 * bradfa likes "persisted for 8 years" part Jul 10 10:27:22 on a side note im using debian instean of angstrom, is that gonna bite me in the butt? Jul 10 10:27:29 flufmnstr, no, shouldn't Jul 10 10:27:43 flufmnstr, are you using robert nelson's? Jul 10 10:28:14 flufmnstr: no, but koen might ;-) Jul 10 10:29:26 XorA: found a webshop that imports IRN BRU tins :) Jul 10 10:29:27 bradfa im using the image from here under the wget command Jul 10 10:29:30 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black Jul 10 10:30:06 koen: sweet, I assume you will bring spare suitcase to ELC-E :-D Jul 10 10:31:00 flufmnstr, that's robert nelson's Jul 10 10:31:08 you shouldn't have any problems Jul 10 10:31:54 oh, while i have someones ear, on a completly unrelated topic, is it possible to get a surround sound(5.1 7.1) dgital audio signal out of the black with out a cape? Jul 10 10:32:05 bradfa sweet. Jul 10 10:32:15 flufmnstr, I dunno, maybe through hdmi? Jul 10 10:32:36 for capes, see -> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Capes Jul 10 10:32:40 black compatibility is listed Jul 10 10:32:49 thats what im thinkin too. i was just wondering if it was a known thing or not. Jul 10 10:33:07 flufmnstr, check the mailing list or if nothing's there, ask Jul 10 10:34:00 ideally i dont want to buy extrap hardware. eventaully im gonna have 10 of these running a pair of haunted houses Jul 10 10:34:28 so keeping the per unit cost as low as possible is key Jul 10 10:34:59 XorA: would be nice to have a hangoverless ELC for a change Jul 10 10:35:37 * koen wonders if deuchars IPA still exists Jul 10 10:35:42 at some point i need to start figuring out DMX out the UART. but for now im just mucking with a personal project to get used to the BB way of life Jul 10 10:36:33 koen: it does :) Jul 10 10:37:19 koen: Hanging Bat is just across square from venue and has awesome range of decent beer! Jul 10 10:38:07 koen: and they serve in 1/2 and 1.3 pints so you can try them all and still walk out of door Jul 10 10:38:11 1/3 Jul 10 10:38:26 1.3 is way more fun, though Jul 10 10:38:52 18 1.3 pints of 10% beer causes most people to crawl Jul 10 10:42:23 1.3 is almost the 660ml bottles we get here Jul 10 10:42:43 is it friday yet? Jul 10 10:43:33 jackmitchell1: 1.3 pints is approx 735ml Jul 10 10:43:48 panto: did friday end? Jul 10 10:43:57 let's ask av500 Jul 10 10:44:04 XorA: hence the 'almost' :) Jul 10 10:44:20 jacekowski: 660ml is serious shortchange :-) Jul 10 10:44:39 jackmitchell1: 660ml is serious shortchange :-) Jul 10 10:44:56 that is true Jul 10 10:46:18 660ml is more like 1.3 US pints Jul 10 10:46:45 heh Jul 10 10:46:49 1.3 US pint is 615ml Jul 10 10:46:53 stupid merkins Jul 10 10:47:16 if your drinking bug you probably appreciate the 1/5 less ;-) Jul 10 10:47:33 s/bug/bud/ although the taste is about the same Jul 10 10:48:36 you get used to bud light Jul 10 10:49:05 works well in the texas heat Jul 10 10:49:29 * koen still orders guinness at the local sports bar near the hotel when visiting texas Jul 10 10:59:29 * ogra_ never got that guinness thing ... i either want something to drink or something to chew ... but both in the same glass ? Jul 10 10:59:39 beer is food Jul 10 11:00:05 beer = liquid bread Jul 10 11:00:11 beer === liquid bread Jul 10 11:00:14 yeah, but i cant get along having to munch my beer Jul 10 11:00:19 :) Jul 10 11:00:20 there are much better stouts and porters Jul 10 11:01:01 of the industrial american beers i still prefer sam adams lager ... gets close to a pilsner Jul 10 11:01:02 and much worse ones Jul 10 11:01:34 bud light is more like "beer tea" Jul 10 11:01:34 the best american beer says "imported" Jul 10 11:01:38 ++ Jul 10 11:01:42 rofl Jul 10 11:01:58 and no, Canada does not count Jul 10 11:02:19 nor mexico Jul 10 11:02:24 yeah, they just write bud with c and double oo ... Jul 10 11:02:40 (canadians) Jul 10 11:03:02 (or isnt coors canadian) Jul 10 11:03:21 of coors Jul 10 11:03:29 :) Jul 10 11:04:24 ogra_, coors comes from colorado. the marketing says so Jul 10 11:04:35 must be true Jul 10 11:04:51 ah Jul 10 11:05:02 but owned by the canuks Jul 10 11:06:23 isnt all beer owned by InBev? Jul 10 11:06:29 * bradfa likes dogfish head Jul 10 11:06:48 av500, most but not quite all (yet) Jul 10 11:07:00 give them a few more weeks Jul 10 11:07:27 then they can merge with coca cola Jul 10 11:07:53 haha, dogfish.com asks for your date of birth (as do all beer websites I presume) but if you're more than 100 years old it can't handle that :) Jul 10 11:08:07 what, no old people drink beer? Jul 10 11:08:55 is it legal to mention beer if < 21? Jul 10 11:09:05 ask mranostay Jul 10 11:09:18 cant, he's drunk Jul 10 11:10:01 how can I use the switches on lcd3? the GPIO pins cannot be exported: device or resource busy Jul 10 11:12:22 av500: I'm still confused about "Maß" when I'm in DE. I tend to think it's about 1 liter Jul 10 11:12:40 it is Jul 10 11:12:41 (that's what I'v elearned living in Muenchen long ago) Jul 10 11:13:08 though its not always 1liter of beer :) Jul 10 11:13:17 heh, hell Jul 10 11:13:32 they water it down for tourists Jul 10 11:14:03 how do you prove your not a tourist, lederhosen? Jul 10 11:14:09 no Jul 10 11:14:16 if you have to prove it, your are one Jul 10 11:16:29 the first sentence is important: Griasgood / Griasdi Jul 10 11:16:29 Jul 10 11:16:39 A Maß (unbedingt mit kurzem a aussprechen!) Jul 10 11:16:39 Jul 10 11:31:15 ant_work: better: "gimmer es richtigs bier! tammi nomol!" Jul 10 11:33:56 maybe in ZH Jul 10 11:34:29 jo eh! Jul 10 11:35:18 hello Jul 10 11:35:45 we greet you, our indian friend Jul 10 11:36:19 right now i am using Beagle Bone black board Jul 10 11:36:54 congratulations for your good judgement and choice of the bbb Jul 10 11:36:54 i have connected board with my PC via USB in eMMC mode Jul 10 11:37:33 i am trying to login in board from my pc using SSH utility Jul 10 11:37:44 from shell Jul 10 11:38:32 and it is asking for password for armstrong distribution which is ob BBB Jul 10 11:38:48 Can you help me regarding this? Jul 10 11:39:10 with what? you dont seem to have any problem? Jul 10 11:39:16 even network is working correctly Jul 10 11:39:43 yeah, but i dont know password for armstrong distribution Jul 10 11:40:01 tried pressing enter? Jul 10 11:40:11 i want password Jul 10 11:40:26 13:39 < koen> tried pressing enter? Jul 10 11:40:35 i tried by with enter. but permission denied Jul 10 11:40:49 what username did you trie? Jul 10 11:40:51 try* Jul 10 11:41:32 on my pc's shell i give the command #ssh kishor@192.168.7.2 Jul 10 11:41:47 av500: I'm adding fuel to the flames on #yocto Jul 10 11:42:34 i didn't get u Jul 10 11:45:24 kishor: http://www.lvr.com/beaglebone.htm Jul 10 11:45:30 hi Jul 10 11:46:13 kishor: you're trying to login as user 'kishor', so only you know the password to that Jul 10 11:46:24 kishor: it prompted you for it after you created that user on the beaglebone Jul 10 11:46:30 you did create it, right? Jul 10 11:46:35 if not, it's never going to work Jul 10 11:47:43 kishor, ssh root@bone; passwd enter Jul 10 11:50:03 anyone up this morning? Jul 10 11:50:08 no Jul 10 11:50:11 lol Jul 10 11:50:13 I am Jul 10 11:50:23 koen: for next version of the bbb anström dist, choose "mellon" as default pw for all users :) Jul 10 11:50:35 koth sup this is scoobydoo Jul 10 11:50:43 fun lovin' criminals fan? Jul 10 11:51:03 what would be a good sized fan to attach to a lexan case I am building for my bbb Jul 10 11:51:06 40mm? Jul 10 11:51:15 0mm Jul 10 11:51:17 lol Jul 10 11:51:19 why would you need a fan? Jul 10 11:51:27 it is designed to run without one Jul 10 11:51:28 because I want one Jul 10 11:51:33 yes I know Jul 10 11:51:34 room is too silent Jul 10 11:51:38 basically Jul 10 11:51:50 I want to keep dust off of it Jul 10 11:52:16 use a jackhammer Jul 10 11:52:28 ok, skip that one Jul 10 11:52:36 I'll figure it out on my own Jul 10 11:52:54 motor with excenter? Jul 10 11:53:20 or use a 100W piezo driver? Jul 10 11:53:30 anyone using a usb hub? Jul 10 11:53:33 i'm quite sure that that would keep the dust off Jul 10 11:53:45 * KotH has stopped using usb hubs in the 90s Jul 10 11:53:51 oh Jul 10 11:53:56 they died together with 10base2 Jul 10 11:54:03 hah. well Jul 10 11:54:19 I am putting some things on this one Jul 10 11:54:25 like wifi dongle Jul 10 11:54:44 keyboard mouse, etc... Jul 10 11:54:51 ninjastik Jul 10 11:54:56 anywho Jul 10 11:55:31 the wifi dongles they sell are 150mbps and 300mbps but when I benchmark my connection I'm only at 17.2 mbps so does it really matter? Jul 10 11:55:53 well.. we cannot tell whether it matters for you or not Jul 10 11:55:57 you should know that yourself Jul 10 11:56:33 I do, but am I missing something that they would sell 150mbps dongles yet I'm above the national average? Jul 10 11:56:52 is it just a pissing contest? Jul 10 11:57:24 no, a please-stop-asking-questions-where-the-obvious-answer-is-fucking-stupid Jul 10 11:57:32 lol Jul 10 11:57:54 ask for what you really want to know, not what sounds a nice question Jul 10 11:58:23 ok, does dongle sound perverted to you? Jul 10 11:59:11 like hey guys "check out my dongle" Jul 10 11:59:24 or, man I need to shave my bum, I got dongles on it Jul 10 11:59:50 mentioning dongles can get you fired according to the intarwebz Jul 10 11:59:59 dnftt Jul 10 12:00:03 haha Jul 10 12:00:29 sorry this is what happens when I intended to sleep in till 9...and my girl wakes me up at 6am yelling about work shoes Jul 10 12:00:38 scoobysnax: only if you fork it Jul 10 12:01:23 scoobysnax: and you should educate your girl on the dangers of waking up a man too early ;) Jul 10 12:01:56 yeah well...she was just in a really bad accident last Friday and I don't want to go at it right now Jul 10 12:02:01 might get casted in the head Jul 10 12:02:51 we have an abusive relationship ;( Jul 10 12:03:49 anyone in here belong to anynonmous? Jul 10 12:04:10 they are out for lunch Jul 10 12:04:18 oh ok Jul 10 12:04:28 little early for lunch Jul 10 12:05:02 so would a BBB fair well in a hot car? Jul 10 12:05:05 Thank you so much for the quick support Jul 10 12:05:43 I got the answer for my quetion Jul 10 12:05:53 gj kishor Jul 10 12:06:06 what was your question Jul 10 12:06:21 now i can use bbb from my desktop ubuntu terminal.. Jul 10 12:06:27 cool Jul 10 12:06:29 scoobysnax: read the logs for that Jul 10 12:06:30 remotely? Jul 10 12:06:41 yeah.. Jul 10 12:06:58 that's cool Jul 10 12:07:11 my friend does that with some computers he has in a basement somewhere Jul 10 12:07:25 has them on webcam and can't cut them on and off and stuff Jul 10 12:08:12 what do you guys use your bbb's for the most? Jul 10 12:09:19 bot for the nsa Jul 10 12:09:33 scoobysnax: sounds like advanced magic Jul 10 12:09:38 I use mine as a handschmeichler Jul 10 12:09:52 i use mine as imaginary friend Jul 10 12:10:13 early bird price for ELCE ends July 15 Jul 10 12:10:41 is that the cheap $400? Jul 10 12:10:46 panto, I'm sorr you work for the NSA... Jul 10 12:11:04 cheap $475 Jul 10 12:11:07 av lol Jul 10 12:11:13 MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE FAKE STUDENT ID'S Jul 10 12:11:16 I#ll go as a student Jul 10 12:11:16 oops Jul 10 12:11:18 k Jul 10 12:11:22 student of what? Jul 10 12:11:25 Crofton|work: why fake? Jul 10 12:11:28 I have a real one Jul 10 12:11:32 very good Jul 10 12:11:34 Crofton|work: why fake ids? everyone has a student id these days Jul 10 12:11:35 seriously, the bill Obama signed on Friday is a joke... Jul 10 12:11:38 I have an old one somewhere Jul 10 12:11:41 av500: a KIRF ID? ;) Jul 10 12:11:45 dm8tbr: no Jul 10 12:11:46 scoobysnax, bbb is the second thing we do in #beagle; #1 is trolling Jul 10 12:11:47 a real real one Jul 10 12:11:50 * dm8tbr knows Jul 10 12:11:54 scoobysnax: what bill did he sign? Jul 10 12:11:58 buffalo bill Jul 10 12:12:08 and all the business with snowden leaking NSA's blatant violation of citizens rights Jul 10 12:12:21 KILL THE TRAITOR! Jul 10 12:12:29 scoobysnax: KILL THE PRESIDENT! Jul 10 12:12:36 Obama signed a bill giving the government full and absolute control over all communication systems. Jul 10 12:12:37 I have no mouth and I must SCREAM Jul 10 12:12:49 I.e. text e-mail, internet phone etc... Jul 10 12:12:55 av500, is that a new modern thing of the paperless office ? put bills on buffalos ? Jul 10 12:12:56 for national security of course ;) Jul 10 12:13:03 http://frugal-penny.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/President-Brie-Cheese.jpg Jul 10 12:13:10 KotH: kill as in eat? Jul 10 12:13:39 av500: hmm... i didnt think that scoobysnax has such a "refined" taste Jul 10 12:13:40 most people don't care...typically generation Y Jul 10 12:13:57 av500: alternatively for distilling Jul 10 12:13:58 they don't care about their inherent rights Jul 10 12:14:15 or the constitution, they think the bill of rights is a joke Jul 10 12:14:24 and like being babysitted by the government Jul 10 12:14:30 scoobysnax: sorry if i laugh, but you had it comming Jul 10 12:14:51 I don't care koth...I kid but sometimes I'm serious Jul 10 12:15:10 when it comes to basic human freedoms like privacy etc...I get highly defensive though Jul 10 12:15:21 scoobysnax: if you have two kind of laws, one for us citizens and one for everyone else, whre everyone else is not worth anything, then somewhen your domestic laws get adjusted accordingly Jul 10 12:15:33 nosense Jul 10 12:15:36 +n Jul 10 12:15:42 scoobysnax: the US is the one country that violates human rights in the most professional and systematic manner Jul 10 12:16:03 I mean...what do all the soliders here go "die for our freedom" bs Jul 10 12:16:10 I am waiting for the crying as google and facebook start offshoring all their servers Jul 10 12:16:19 why would they? Jul 10 12:16:22 then they surviellance the shit out of us...and strip our rights Jul 10 12:16:31 hello Jul 10 12:16:40 Crofton|work: wont help. they are still us companies. Jul 10 12:16:50 facebook and google were novedaq or NQT, i.e. CIA subsidaries Jul 10 12:16:53 scoobysnax: so? Jul 10 12:16:59 investment companies for information collection Jul 10 12:17:03 still, they will be subject to local privacy laws Jul 10 12:17:06 i find a useful utility "kpartx" to browser and change xxx.ing file Jul 10 12:17:14 anyway, we need the freedom box Jul 10 12:17:20 what again was that? Jul 10 12:17:34 is freedom in a box the same as democratic in a country name? Jul 10 12:17:35 that's why I like the concept of bitcoin or lightcoin Jul 10 12:17:37 Crofton|work, now what kind of freedom is that if you put it in a box Jul 10 12:17:40 it's unregulated currency Jul 10 12:17:44 +1 Jul 10 12:17:52 ogra_: schröndigerdom Jul 10 12:17:55 :) Jul 10 12:18:00 no government overlords using it to mess with laws of economics Jul 10 12:18:04 lol Jul 10 12:18:15 no more printing extra money to show false growth Jul 10 12:18:17 scoobysnax: sorry if i say that loud: but using bitcoin will not change anything Jul 10 12:18:21 quick, somebody sell him a tor router Jul 10 12:18:30 or bailing banks out for poor financial decisions Jul 10 12:18:37 scoobysnax: if you want to change something, then you have to understand what the root cause of your problem is Jul 10 12:18:51 scoobysnax: and attack that root cause Jul 10 12:18:56 I am tired of hearing "vote them out" Jul 10 12:19:01 KILL ALL HUMANS! Jul 10 12:19:06 that's an old addage that no longer works Jul 10 12:19:07 there, done Jul 10 12:19:08 scoobysnax: nah... Jul 10 12:19:12 scoobysnax: that's not the root problem Jul 10 12:19:13 a choice between two evil puppets Jul 10 12:19:24 scoobysnax: the root problem is you! Jul 10 12:19:24 scoobysnax: its time to put these guns to use Jul 10 12:19:33 hah yeah well Jul 10 12:19:39 right to bear arms Jul 10 12:19:49 scoobysnax: it's the social and cultural environment in the US that fascilates such behaviour of the government Jul 10 12:20:14 no, it is the funders Jul 10 12:20:14 is anyone here in the US? Jul 10 12:20:20 scoobysnax: ie if you want to change the gov, then you have to change yourselves Jul 10 12:20:32 see Lessigs Ted talk Jul 10 12:20:48 koth, you and I are in the top tier of intelligent life on this planet Jul 10 12:20:51 I assure you Jul 10 12:20:59 scoobysnax: so what? Jul 10 12:21:02 but we are 1 in a million Jul 10 12:21:09 so? Jul 10 12:21:14 to changethe other 999,999 from sheep to people Jul 10 12:21:20 not going to happen man Jul 10 12:21:41 stupid argument Jul 10 12:21:48 I don't think so Jul 10 12:21:50 giving up before you even started Jul 10 12:21:59 trust me...I tell people as much as I can Jul 10 12:22:07 on occasion I get a listening ear Jul 10 12:22:22 why is it that every usian who rambles about his government being bad also says that he cannot do anything because everyone is so stupid? Jul 10 12:22:27 typically...it's a shoulder shrug and they go, "as long as they don't mess with me I don't care" Jul 10 12:23:05 koth...as much as I would like to run around guns blazing and get someone to listen...the self sacrafice won't change anythingn Jul 10 12:23:11 * KotH shrugs his shulders and eats some chocolate Jul 10 12:23:19 I will get gunned down...and called a crazy "liberalist" Jul 10 12:23:25 even though I'm a republican Jul 10 12:23:41 why does it always come to violence with you usians? Jul 10 12:23:55 do you all carve for a JIAHD or something? Jul 10 12:24:03 i can give you that if you want Jul 10 12:24:11 because there is no other way here...if you don't live here I understand your speculation Jul 10 12:24:21 but literally...we have zero control Jul 10 12:24:33 ? Jul 10 12:24:36 we live in a police state that pretends it's not Jul 10 12:24:55 sorry, no pitty from me Jul 10 12:25:04 I don't want your pity bro Jul 10 12:25:05 * av500 hopes the police comes soon Jul 10 12:25:15 or jkridner Jul 10 12:25:20 scoobysnax: if you want to change something, then find ways to change it Jul 10 12:25:32 have been trying Jul 10 12:25:34 everything else is just annoying Jul 10 12:25:40 I vote...the votes get rigged Jul 10 12:25:59 you mean, your single vote did not control the outcome? Jul 10 12:26:09 I'd give up voting too..... Jul 10 12:26:14 I expose them for plotting "domestic terrorism" against it's own citizens as a means to tighten security Jul 10 12:26:23 they follow me around and break my laptop Jul 10 12:26:48 av the electorial college is unproportional the population per state Jul 10 12:26:51 it's always rigged Jul 10 12:27:26 * KotH shakes head and continues to munch some chocolate Jul 10 12:27:59 as in the states with low populations and less gross per capita have equal leverage to places with high populations and high economic value Jul 10 12:28:08 we vote by states first Jul 10 12:28:19 then the states can choose or not to choose what the people voted Jul 10 12:28:25 I know that Jul 10 12:28:31 and they all vote and it's disproportionate on average Jul 10 12:28:36 plus the media hype never helps Jul 10 12:28:50 scoobysnax: the usian voting system is taught at most european schools Jul 10 12:29:02 sure, we all like to laugh Jul 10 12:29:09 it's very very ignorantt koth Jul 10 12:29:22 it should be 1 person 1 vote and that's it Jul 10 12:29:39 it was fine 200ys ago Jul 10 12:29:40 scoobysnax: you are aware that the US is not a democracy but a republic? Jul 10 12:29:45 instead it's 1 person votes for a person to represent them...and that person can choose to vote for the people as they wish Jul 10 12:30:13 and since the US did not have any major events in the last 200ys Jul 10 12:30:17 it is still in place Jul 10 12:30:32 koth....I am aware it was not designed that way but has turned into that...and it is not a republic it is a dictatorship in disguise with a very convincing ruse Jul 10 12:30:56 av500: and noone who would step up and revise all laws and regulations, as most other countries do from time to time Jul 10 12:30:58 av I appreciate your sarcasm Jul 10 12:31:26 KotH: most such revisions happened after quite significant events Jul 10 12:31:31 lost wars Jul 10 12:31:33 etc.. Jul 10 12:31:35 av500: hmm..? Jul 10 12:31:59 av...koth, you know the US spies on it's allies right? Jul 10 12:32:05 av500: .ch made an major overhaul of all federal laws about 20y ago Jul 10 12:32:11 every country spies on everybody Jul 10 12:32:16 thus the reason snowden is getting support from other countries Jul 10 12:32:18 KotH: ch is wierd Jul 10 12:32:21 av500: mostly to ensure they dont turn into some monster like the german tax law Jul 10 12:32:36 can I come as a refugee? Jul 10 12:32:38 av500: prolly the only functioning demcorcacy in the western world too :) Jul 10 12:32:39 please.... Jul 10 12:32:42 yes Jul 10 12:32:44 weird Jul 10 12:32:46 as I said Jul 10 12:33:01 hmm.. you might count as political refugee Jul 10 12:33:09 first rule of spy business: do not get caught Jul 10 12:33:25 my uncle test weapons for the cia Jul 10 12:33:28 I guess that rule was outsourced to Booze Hamilton Jul 10 12:33:34 simulations and what not Jul 10 12:33:54 at one point in time I wanted to work for them too... Jul 10 12:34:03 * av500 orders a Beowulf cluster of freedom boyes Jul 10 12:34:10 boxes Jul 10 12:34:11 now I realize they are just drug pushers and fear mongers for the most part Jul 10 12:35:05 av what would you do if someone just dropped a dongle off at your doorstep? Jul 10 12:35:30 scoobysnax: now you should do what every good citizen should do: educate your friends and neighbors Jul 10 12:35:54 koth I do...I try to dissassociate the most I can Jul 10 12:35:56 scoobysnax: teach them to think for themselves... and fucking leave the rest of the world alone! Jul 10 12:36:14 I think I'm just going to come to the EU Jul 10 12:36:27 I can get a dual passport in St. Kitts Jul 10 12:36:32 and then head up that way Jul 10 12:37:27 what do you think is better...a big dongle or a little dongle Jul 10 12:37:35 you know for sending and recieving Jul 10 12:38:00 plonk Jul 10 12:38:43 * KotH shakes head and munches another bar of chocolate Jul 10 12:40:24 anyone use duckduckgo? Jul 10 12:44:28 * KotH ducks and covers Jul 10 12:51:00 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/FF-RKw Jul 10 12:51:00 kernel/3.8 26e2db8 Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix firmware makefile rule... Jul 10 12:56:05 bugle board black Jul 10 12:56:11 it literally blows Jul 10 13:03:48 dongle Jul 10 13:03:52 goodbye Jul 10 13:09:03 afk Jul 10 13:13:39 hey got a problem, getting a unknown package install error, installing java 6 jdk, used 'opkg install openjdk-6-jdk' Jul 10 13:22:19 hi everybody... Jul 10 13:23:02 we are looking for someone to help us create an interface to connect the taxi Jul 10 13:23:07 is anyone interested? Jul 10 13:23:11 ? Jul 10 13:23:19 explain more Jul 10 13:24:21 a taxi is like a private point-to-point bus Jul 10 13:24:45 currently we are choosing between ioio from sparkfun and beagleboard... as we don't know beagleboard... we need someone that has experience doing implementation with beagleboard Jul 10 13:25:31 what we need is very very simple... it will grow in functionalities over time... so it's not a 1 month project Jul 10 13:25:40 mru: so, if i have an spi connection between a uC and a single peripheral, i should rather speak of an spi taxi than an spi bus? Jul 10 13:26:13 centraldetaxis: connect to what interface? Jul 10 13:26:15 to do what? Jul 10 13:26:16 we need to get the status of the "green light"/free taxi top from the taxi and constant monitor it... Jul 10 13:26:25 Alty: did you run opkg update then opkg install ..... Jul 10 13:26:30 to know if it is free or not... Jul 10 13:26:54 should be simple Jul 10 13:27:06 we have an app on android do communicate with our dispatch Jul 10 13:27:16 over 3G? Jul 10 13:27:31 so, run android on the BBB? Jul 10 13:27:32 so basically... we need to get the satus of the light and send that info to our app in andoid Jul 10 13:27:44 sounds doable Jul 10 13:28:07 centraldetaxis: where do you run android? Jul 10 13:28:10 if this is on a phone Jul 10 13:28:48 yes the app is running on a ZTE phone Jul 10 13:28:56 then ioio is enough Jul 10 13:29:03 using Android ADK Jul 10 13:29:33 of couse you can implement the same on the BBB Jul 10 13:29:51 another issue with ioio is that we didn't fins any serial number that we can relate for a taxi ID Jul 10 13:29:55 price is not much different Jul 10 13:30:51 the iD of the taxi is basically the ID (serial number or other unique identifier) that comes with the box that is installed in the car and that one is fixed... each driver can have their own phone with software... Jul 10 13:31:01 to connect to our dispatch central Jul 10 13:31:38 and as far I could see there's no ID on ioio... Jul 10 13:32:04 BBB is probably, and this is a question.... rather thatn an affirmation... Jul 10 13:32:17 adding a serial number is simple Jul 10 13:32:20 more expansive as it has a linux inside... right? Jul 10 13:32:22 on both ioio and BBB Jul 10 13:32:27 yes Jul 10 13:32:30 serial number chip Jul 10 13:32:40 serial number chip? Jul 10 13:32:43 yes Jul 10 13:32:58 * jsarman__ just ordered the beaglebone black Jul 10 13:33:13 29 left at digikey Jul 10 13:33:15 centraldetaxis: maxim sells these Jul 10 13:33:25 we use a serial number chip and read the unique S/N using I2C on some of our boards. Jul 10 13:33:36 i'm sorry for the dum question.... hummmm... Jul 10 13:34:03 we are driving nuts here with this... is there someone that is willing to do these project for us? Jul 10 13:34:33 grabbing the Ethernet's MAC address is always a good trick for a unique S/N, if you have network connectivity. Jul 10 13:34:44 you can use the ds2401 from maxim for a simple serial number Jul 10 13:35:04 MAC address would be a better option IMHO Jul 10 13:35:09 electronics it's not my beach... :) i would like to know more about electronics because i've discored it can be a very interesting challenge.. but right now i need to create a prototype Jul 10 13:35:09 centraldetaxis: if you have a android phone you can pick up the serial number from there? Jul 10 13:35:57 the one wire devices reqire a pullup resistor on data line power and ground Jul 10 13:35:57 with ioio i think so as the libs can access the digital ports Jul 10 13:36:11 basically 5 grader can hook it up Jul 10 13:36:36 suihkulokki: phones come and go Jul 10 13:36:41 its about the serial of the taxi Jul 10 13:37:27 I think the BBB would be a better option. the IOIO is not standalone, the BBB could be. Jul 10 13:37:45 yes some uniqueid that we can relate to the taxi as the "box" will be inside each one... this way each driver can have their phone and the dispatch knows which taxi has which driver... Jul 10 13:37:56 ah Jul 10 13:38:00 and price difference for one off is only $5 Jul 10 13:38:03 as said, adding DS 2401 is simple Jul 10 13:38:30 plus 64 bit id versus 48 bit with MACs Jul 10 13:38:42 they do not have 48bit taxis Jul 10 13:39:01 centraldetaxis: can you please make all your drivers to have a Nav system? Jul 10 13:39:03 m_billibob: i think so also and in the future if the phone looses mobile network connectivity for sending data for some minutes we can store data in BBB and send it to dispatch in a later time... Jul 10 13:39:11 maxim even has 128 bit if planning on taxis to be uniquely identified when they commence space travel Jul 10 13:40:14 ah, not france Jul 10 13:40:19 my bad Jul 10 13:40:19 av500: that's the idea as we own a national wide dispatch central in Portugal Jul 10 13:40:30 I thought france :) Jul 10 13:40:34 sorry Jul 10 13:40:55 more than once I left a taxi in paris when the driver did not have GPS/NAV Jul 10 13:41:05 too bad they lost their spot in the queue Jul 10 13:41:07 av500: if it goes well we can expand easilly to Spain because our company has offices there and also staff Jul 10 13:41:21 please take over Paris and fire all drivers Jul 10 13:41:28 thx Jul 10 13:41:36 lol Jul 10 13:41:39 av500: Would you help us to do that? eheheheheh Jul 10 13:41:49 now I am tempted Jul 10 13:41:56 if you need to prototype it without having to solder use http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS9120-DS9120Q.pdf Jul 10 13:42:12 which hooks up over usb Jul 10 13:42:19 imagine the rioting in paris if all taxi drivers would be fired at once... Jul 10 13:43:11 suihkulokki: not any worse than them being on strike Jul 10 13:43:14 centraldetaxis, you should write up a project proposal Jul 10 13:43:16 av500: we would replace them with BBB connected to the stearing wheel ... eheheheheheheh Jul 10 13:43:29 jsarman__: what's your prob with using a soldering iron? Jul 10 13:43:49 centraldetaxis: I had drivers hit other cars while reading a paper map while driving Jul 10 13:44:07 I dont think using a BBB will make it worse Jul 10 13:44:30 personally I think the BBB is the only real option between these two options Jul 10 13:44:56 but need a thought out "proposal" to know for sure Jul 10 13:45:22 does it have possibility of some storage for events? Jul 10 13:45:26 dumbing down the BBB to be like an ioio is doable Jul 10 13:45:32 centraldetaxis: yes, 2GB Jul 10 13:46:07 not my problem Jul 10 13:46:11 WOW (now i've done a silly face in front of the computer)... that's it... BBB for me :) Jul 10 13:46:17 I solder 0201 if needed Jul 10 13:46:42 centraldetaxis, plus it has an sd card slot and USB Jul 10 13:46:56 as it is a linux i can capture UUID for linux itself right? Jul 10 13:46:59 jsarman__: and you are aware that you need DS9481R for those boards to do something usefull? Jul 10 13:47:01 so could hold much more storage too, but probably not needed in your case Jul 10 13:48:01 centraldetaxis, assuming MAC addresses are unique across BBB's I think MAC address is way to go for unique ID situation Jul 10 13:48:30 centraldetaxis: if you need someone to do a hw design that works, contact me. our company can sell you something ;) Jul 10 13:48:35 jsarman: i've manage to do some lousy testing with a battery of 12v some voltage regulators, some resistors and a capacitor... and got the info of 2V on the port 40 and that0s it... Jul 10 13:48:53 and with luck didn't damage the board :) Jul 10 13:48:56 centraldetaxis, only problem with BBB is that BBB are not meant to be sold for commercial purposes. Jul 10 13:49:00 a buffer gate might be better Jul 10 13:49:09 so my knowledge of electronics is veryyyyyyyyyy low... Jul 10 13:49:12 m_billybob: you can buy BBB from CCO for commercial use Jul 10 13:49:26 the "white label" ones Jul 10 13:49:28 av500 yes but is the cost higher ? Jul 10 13:49:38 price is NDA Jul 10 13:49:39 :) Jul 10 13:49:50 even if its $55, does it matter? Jul 10 13:49:56 no Jul 10 13:49:59 no Jul 10 13:50:01 not at that difference Jul 10 13:50:02 see :) Jul 10 13:50:19 taxi costs much more Jul 10 13:50:24 using the IOIO could easily scale passed that Jul 10 13:50:42 ? Jul 10 13:50:51 the IOIO is not standa lone Jul 10 13:50:56 stand alone* Jul 10 13:51:07 you need a device to connect to it while its in use Jul 10 13:51:15 so eithe ra phone Jul 10 13:51:21 or somethign else. Jul 10 13:51:44 and i came across some issue while passing power from the ioio to several android phones... i have to adjust the power trimpot for each mobile every time i've changed from one mobile to another because they simply didn't charge Jul 10 13:52:03 IMHO the IOIO is not realy a good device. It is a neat / cool idea but yeah . . . Jul 10 13:52:24 okay using angstrom worked, i now have /dev/fb0 Jul 10 13:52:32 good Jul 10 13:52:40 and for some reason I have lots of dbt's suddenly Jul 10 13:52:48 ok... officially a BBB fan in Portugal... is there any other guys from Portugal or it's just me? Jul 10 13:52:59 statistically, yes Jul 10 13:53:06 here, no idea Jul 10 13:53:10 av500: (y) Jul 10 13:53:17 centraldetaxis: there is also a mailing list Jul 10 13:53:27 you can ask for somebody interested there too Jul 10 13:53:37 good to know for commercial I just told my ceo that this is possible board for our next version of our product. Jul 10 13:53:53 jsarman__: just start talking to CCO early Jul 10 13:54:03 I think they are overwhelmed a bit Jul 10 13:54:15 ok av500 i'll give it a try on the mailing list Jul 10 13:55:10 av500: do you know of some sensor to plug on BBB port that can sense the presence of 12v? Jul 10 13:55:25 well, use a GPIO Jul 10 13:55:30 and condition the input signal Jul 10 13:55:36 thats all you need Jul 10 13:55:41 you can call it a sensor Jul 10 13:55:46 so taxi if you ant unique serial id no solder for proptype proof of concept that can be handed over to hardware devs after $$$ then use the dallas semi eval kit for the ibutton Jul 10 13:55:56 voltage divider ;) Jul 10 13:56:10 I'd use a buffer stage Jul 10 13:56:18 does anybody know what the default user and password are from angstrom Jul 10 13:56:19 would not like 12V car DC on the GPIO Jul 10 13:56:28 root/ Jul 10 13:56:41 yes... i need a prototype to test... and mass produce this after... Jul 10 13:57:02 http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS9481R-3C7.pdf Jul 10 13:57:03 centraldetaxis: no local "hackerspace" Jul 10 13:57:07 where you are? Jul 10 13:57:26 thats the datasheet for the usb to rj11 adapter for the one wire and i button eval Jul 10 13:57:34 av500: portugal Jul 10 13:57:55 arf Jul 10 13:57:56 yes Jul 10 13:57:59 plus http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS9120-DS9120Q.pdf Jul 10 13:58:07 I meant, try for a local "hackerspace" at your place Jul 10 13:58:17 which is a i wire socket that connects to other device Jul 10 13:58:19 to find people that are local and would like to work on BBB Jul 10 13:58:20 With a digital input, can I connect a dry contact to it and have the BB detect change of state? Jul 10 13:58:50 yes, digital inputs allow to detect a change of state Jul 10 13:58:55 that is kind of their purpose Jul 10 13:59:00 lol Jul 10 13:59:23 yes but can I connect directly to a DI line? Jul 10 13:59:24 and http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS9092K.pdf Jul 10 13:59:39 which is the ibutton eval board Jul 10 13:59:49 order those connect and start coding Jul 10 13:59:55 R2E4: DI as in? Jul 10 14:00:00 no hardware skills required Jul 10 14:00:03 centraldetaxis, good luck with your project. Jul 10 14:00:06 bbl Jul 10 14:00:09 Digital input Jul 10 14:00:33 thanks billybob for all the help and availability Jul 10 14:00:45 and to all the other people including av500 Jul 10 14:00:51 you can connect to DI with 1.8V or 0 V Jul 10 14:01:05 Would probably need some kind of circuit that I would be able to connect a contact from 300 feet away. Dont think the 3.3v is enough. Jul 10 14:01:07 unless its a 3.3V tolerant Jul 10 14:01:07 3.3V on BBB Jul 10 14:01:55 300 ft might consider a twisted pair balanced circuit Jul 10 14:01:57 use higher voltage, and optocouplers on the inputs Jul 10 14:01:57 i'll try to buy fetch a distributor in Europe to buy BBB from... Jul 10 14:02:02 Probably like each inpuit with a transistor switch on a cape Jul 10 14:02:03 for noise immunity Jul 10 14:02:15 oh, optocpuplers..... Jul 10 14:02:42 II didnt see any capes that has lke 8 inputs and 8 relay outputs. Jul 10 14:03:04 300 ft is length of football field Jul 10 14:03:23 can one throw a BBB that far? Jul 10 14:03:30 R2E4 you're trying to drive a relay 300 ft away? Jul 10 14:03:35 or almost length of football field everywhere else but America Jul 10 14:03:57 no..... relay could be onboard an addon. Jul 10 14:04:03 at 300 feet why not just use RF like zigbee or BTLE Jul 10 14:04:12 Want say door contact 300 feet away Jul 10 14:04:24 ah Jul 10 14:04:29 well, people have been running serial ports over 300ft... Jul 10 14:04:39 thats simple RS485 Jul 10 14:05:03 rs485 specs say you can go 4000 feet. Jul 10 14:05:06 use 5v and a optocoulder to knock it back down to 3.3 and to isolate it Jul 10 14:05:28 flufmnstr: added base resistors? Jul 10 14:05:34 I pasted you some links Jul 10 14:05:46 yep. humming away beautifully Jul 10 14:05:50 thanks mate :-D Jul 10 14:06:37 debating on wheter to use a beagle or a fruit.... Jul 10 14:06:50 from 300ft, they look the same **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 10 14:08:56 2013 Jul 10 14:09:01 hell, slap a 12v switch curcuit on there. that'll pass the signel Jul 10 14:09:26 plus http://www.controlanything.com/Relay/Device/QS12-F6 Jul 10 14:09:31 or just get some exercise and walk the 100ft :) Jul 10 14:10:35 with the serial relay you can just interface via /dev/ttyS0 Jul 10 14:10:46 I have to fit, one rs485 port and 8 inputs and 8 relays on a addon board. Jul 10 14:11:33 or in the sparkfun rs485 adapter I think it is /dev/ttyUSB0 Jul 10 14:11:40 sure you want relays and not transistors? Jul 10 14:12:00 you can get ones that pass 120VAC at 12A Jul 10 14:12:37 almost forgot you need a RS232 level convertor on the relay end Jul 10 14:13:22 you dont need an add on board Jul 10 14:13:33 just interface through usb port Jul 10 14:14:20 IMO if you need to solve this problem once. Just get off the shelf an interface USB Jul 10 14:15:04 huh? I need a controller with rs485 port and 8 inputs and 8 relays. Going to be connecting via web interface controlling. The BB poll the devices on rs485 bus.... Jul 10 14:15:19 100ft USB cable? Jul 10 14:15:56 do you need this one time or 1000 times Jul 10 14:15:58 no need for usb... In the end I will be sending the boards to be made. Jul 10 14:16:10 hopefully 1000 times. Jul 10 14:16:12 so this is commercial Jul 10 14:16:13 ok Jul 10 14:16:59 yeah usb if you just need to solve a problem quickly and once Jul 10 14:17:07 I planned on using SP3485 for RS485, like the sparkfun Jul 10 14:17:28 yeah thats the best to get for early prototype Jul 10 14:18:15 just a chip and four components..... can pout that on breadboard Jul 10 14:18:50 Just trying to get my head around the GPIO, which isnt really making sense at the moment....lol Jul 10 14:18:55 i wouldn't dare to use usb in anything commercial that requires reliability Jul 10 14:18:56 the sparkfun is so cheap its faster to get that cause surface mount the wire that into breadboard Jul 10 14:19:31 yeah my argument was for one off Jul 10 14:19:39 R2E4: you can get a lot of RS485/modbus i/os Jul 10 14:19:39 not commercial Jul 10 14:19:42 off by one Jul 10 14:20:17 if i have to make a protoype demo or die type situation I go usb all day Jul 10 14:20:23 http://www.advantech.com/products/ADAM-4068/mod_DAEFF71F-FB26-4107-BD12-BFA01931A8D6.aspx Jul 10 14:20:38 i avoid usb like a plague Jul 10 14:20:57 well by usb i mean plug in something that already has a driver Jul 10 14:20:58 lizard! hide! Jul 10 14:21:08 /o\ Jul 10 14:21:09 like usb to serial converter Jul 10 14:21:18 i hate those Jul 10 14:21:28 I hate everything Jul 10 14:21:38 just so I can skip the early dev stage, rather demo and get funded Jul 10 14:21:41 if accidentaly you disconnect one (and it always happens) everything just fails very badly Jul 10 14:22:03 better connectors and USB would be usable Jul 10 14:22:04 versus get into 1 month board design test only to not demo in time and miss funding Jul 10 14:22:29 yeah modbus but...... in the end I think it would be easier to just drive the relays off the GPIO and opto the inputs and use the 3485 chip for the rs-485. Jul 10 14:23:19 is that chip isolated Jul 10 14:23:20 I still would argue to use RS485 on processor side and have an msp430 on the relay side Jul 10 14:23:39 do serial communication over the 300ft span Jul 10 14:23:54 and have the msp430 drive the relays Jul 10 14:23:58 Your missing the application. Jul 10 14:23:58 you can't do non isolated 485 Jul 10 14:24:04 you just don't do that sort of thing Jul 10 14:24:11 it will blow up and catch fire if you do Jul 10 14:24:25 well isolat it on the relay side Jul 10 14:24:31 and on the proc side Jul 10 14:24:47 isolating rs485 is not hard Jul 10 14:25:06 is the galvanic isolation of the relay not enough? Jul 10 14:25:09 n Jul 10 14:25:09 and you dont have to isolate 8 wires just 2 Jul 10 14:25:14 you have to isolate the bus itself Jul 10 14:25:24 if devices are powered from different supplies Jul 10 14:25:35 i agree with isolating Jul 10 14:25:39 otherwise all potential difference will go through your bus and it will burn Jul 10 14:25:43 ah right, 300ft's a bit much to also supply power Jul 10 14:25:59 rs485 devices are usually p[owered from 12vdc from different source. just have to ref gnd Jul 10 14:26:03 i've seen wires melting and other things happening like that Jul 10 14:26:35 only need to ref ground on the non isolated sides of the bus Jul 10 14:26:51 rs485 itself is 3 wire, A, B and common Jul 10 14:26:57 all should be isolated from device ground Jul 10 14:27:10 and then there should be shield, connected to device ground on ONE end Jul 10 14:27:38 Rs485 common is not isolated from signal ground Jul 10 14:27:39 so opto on either side plus isolated power for the rs485 drivers Jul 10 14:28:18 http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slla272b/slla272b.pdf Jul 10 14:28:33 They do it all day long...... Card access, you allways use gnd as common rs485. Jul 10 14:28:33 * mranostay bikes in Jul 10 14:28:53 R2E4: it's against the specification Jul 10 14:28:58 R2E4: and it works, sometimes Jul 10 14:29:06 R2E4: as long as you have other reliable ground Jul 10 14:29:11 mranostay: you are driving without a helmet! Jul 10 14:29:40 fig 10 in the pdf Jul 10 14:29:42 only terrorists ride without a helmet! Jul 10 14:29:55 I am one Jul 10 14:29:55 read "grounding and isolation" section of this http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slla272b/slla272b.pdf Jul 10 14:29:57 then Jul 10 14:31:26 ok, common as in com of dc power. Jul 10 14:31:35 not talking earth gnd Jul 10 14:32:50 you talking to avoid ground loops like they are talking in that spec? Jul 10 14:33:15 they do have a common mode rejection requirement in spec Jul 10 14:33:32 so bad ground will cause that to exceed Jul 10 14:33:38 so yeah they mention it Jul 10 14:34:20 hook it up works fine 1 month later starts acting weird Jul 10 14:34:45 or do proper isolation at design time and avoid that issue Jul 10 14:34:46 it has to. What your saying makes sense in that tyeing two ground points from different locations is dangerous because of the difference in voltage potential. but my devices are getting power from same local distribution. Jul 10 14:35:07 KotH: helmet always Jul 10 14:35:25 as long as your earth ground on remote end isnt tied to common ground Jul 10 14:36:01 if your remote is not tied to earth then you are fine Jul 10 14:36:10 with single power source Jul 10 14:36:32 There is no earth gound on remote side. The remote rs485 device is getting power from local power supply, it is not grounded at remote location. Jul 10 14:36:49 so you are good to go Jul 10 14:36:49 yeah, ok....we are saying the same thing Jul 10 14:36:58 full circle....hehe Jul 10 14:37:22 it when soneone case grounds improperly when all hell breaks loose Jul 10 14:37:29 thats a great document though.... Jul 10 14:37:42 i agree excellent pdf Jul 10 14:38:05 I have seen systems where the installers ground both side of shielded cable, and tied gnd and com together, and that was wicked. Jul 10 14:38:51 if its in a audio system, "Why is it humming ????" Jul 10 14:39:46 hey Jul 10 14:39:57 what's up guys Jul 10 14:40:04 the sky Jul 10 14:40:17 cool Jul 10 14:40:24 A wet drop ceiling. Jul 10 14:40:41 Hello, I have a beaglebone rev a5a and I cant connect to the board via usb. Anyone can help me? Jul 10 14:40:50 could* Jul 10 14:41:23 u installed d driver? Jul 10 14:41:36 * av500 didnt Jul 10 14:42:34 av500, how about the c or f driver ? Jul 10 14:42:36 Yes, I tried on Linux, Mac and Windows. Jul 10 14:42:36 I am looking for docs to help me designing add on board. Specifically with gpio.... and is it strickly required to have eprom on board? Jul 10 14:42:51 no Jul 10 14:42:56 for your own use, no Jul 10 14:44:09 The eprom is designed to take care of multiple addon boards right? If I only want one board ever, then I wont need it. correct? Jul 10 14:44:39 The EEPROM also allows the bone to automatically mux pins. Jul 10 14:45:11 thalesfp: beaglebone white or black? Jul 10 14:45:18 ah, too late Jul 10 14:45:49 if you tell the kernel what you are plugging, you dont need the eprom Jul 10 14:45:51 ok, I need a book....hehe Jul 10 14:46:03 ok, thats what I was geting at. Jul 10 14:46:17 What I dont want is someone trying to connect a board to it. Jul 10 14:46:25 i just ordered my BBB this AM so can help in a few days :) Jul 10 14:46:25 if you plan to share the design and dont want FAQs, add it Jul 10 14:46:29 ...to the EEPROM? Jul 10 14:47:35 I will share a similar board, 8 inputs, 8 outputs, then I will add eeprom Jul 10 14:47:56 what will the add on board do Jul 10 14:49:58 deliver 8 inputs to beagle board, and supply 8 relay outputs, also poll rs485 devices. These are allready designed marketed manufacutured and sold. I need to interface them into a Beagleboard with sqllite and webserver so they system can be accessed via http. programmed and operated. Jul 10 14:50:04 hoi alan_o Jul 10 14:50:50 jsarman: i got the BB black also. Jul 10 14:51:34 I want to think I can put two rs485 ports but I think it will be taxing the poor little beagle. Jul 10 14:52:13 2 rs485 will not effect the 1Ghz proc in the least Jul 10 14:52:18 taxing? Jul 10 14:52:50 even running the rs485 a 1 mhz will have no tax Jul 10 14:53:10 the RS485 tax Jul 10 14:53:31 pay, or something bad will happen to your data.... Jul 10 14:53:49 i havent checked yet but how many serial ports are exposed in the headers Jul 10 14:53:53 the parity man Jul 10 14:54:00 jsarman__: 4 Jul 10 14:54:04 I am putting 16 devices on the rs485 bus, having two would mean 32 devices plus keeping Database and serving web. Also eventually, other BBB will communicate via ethernet with the same addon board. The one with the web server will be "MASTER". Jul 10 14:54:11 so you can add 4 if you want Jul 10 14:55:16 so basically you want an isolated multi rs485 daughter board Jul 10 14:55:35 Yeah, with inputs and outputs Jul 10 14:55:59 plus fully isolated digital IO 12V tolerant Jul 10 14:56:00 I think I saw a rs485 cape running around Jul 10 14:56:16 yes.... Jul 10 14:56:26 I too want one of those Jul 10 14:56:42 so I guess I'll be designing that this week Jul 10 14:56:49 haha..... so lets design it Jul 10 14:56:57 R2E4: building an industrial cape? Jul 10 14:57:10 I got my pcb layout software open Jul 10 14:57:12 yeah, something like that Jul 10 14:57:29 need a good opto ic Jul 10 14:57:32 hi KotH Jul 10 14:57:59 plus iso supply Jul 10 14:58:53 I am putting 12vdc/5vdc regulator with 12vdc in terminals on board Jul 10 14:59:09 and powering BBB with it. Jul 10 15:00:32 BBIAB, lunch time.... Jul 10 15:00:45 Ok I already have that designed on another one of my boards Jul 10 15:01:16 upto like 36V input If I remember correctly Jul 10 15:01:35 with Overvoltage and Over current protections Jul 10 15:01:42 plus reverse voltage Jul 10 15:02:02 designed and tested Jul 10 15:34:57 av500: vlc spotting http://i.imgur.com/y7eVZVb.jpg Jul 10 15:37:38 jsarman__: Is it opensource? :-) Jul 10 15:44:16 not yet Jul 10 15:44:22 can be Jul 10 15:45:50 found this http://www.mathertel.de/Arduino/DMXShield/DMXShieldSchema.png Jul 10 15:51:34 Thats a gated optocpoupler. Jul 10 15:53:27 Is there anywhere in the UK with offers on the BBB? Jul 10 15:54:25 Willdude123, Farnell? Jul 10 15:54:28 And also, why only have a single USB host? Most people use keyboards and mice. Jul 10 15:54:41 there are hubs Jul 10 15:55:06 But would it not be simpler to have 2 ports ayway? Jul 10 15:55:11 no Jul 10 15:55:15 no Jul 10 15:55:46 * mranostay bikes in Jul 10 15:55:50 Why> Jul 10 15:56:26 won't keep the cost down Jul 10 15:56:27 you'd need an onboard hub Jul 10 15:56:28 yeah for high speed Jul 10 15:56:31 adds complication Jul 10 15:56:40 10 mbd Jul 10 15:56:53 nan second switching time Jul 10 15:56:59 needed for the rs485 Jul 10 15:57:08 Can anyone suggest a good powered hub? Jul 10 15:57:22 the first one you find in the next shop Jul 10 15:57:23 <_av500_> many people would not need usb at all Jul 10 15:57:23 ic or off the shelf Jul 10 15:57:33 * mru doubts there are any Jul 10 15:58:04 mru: exsys makes decent ones Jul 10 15:58:14 <_av500_> I have one Jul 10 15:58:17 <_av500_> metal even :) Jul 10 15:58:19 What does self-powered mean? Because surely it's gotta be plugged into something to power it? Jul 10 15:58:22 juup Jul 10 15:58:32 <_av500_> Willdude123: DC-in Jul 10 15:58:35 cost a fortune, but undestructible Jul 10 15:58:48 KotH, got a model and number of ports? Jul 10 15:58:51 self powered means it pulls power from usb master Jul 10 15:58:58 and redistributes it Jul 10 15:59:03 at 100 mA max Jul 10 15:59:17 where powered allows 500mA Jul 10 15:59:26 Right. Jul 10 15:59:49 I want a powered one I think, from farnell. Jul 10 15:59:53 and your lucky if the 100mA is really given to you Jul 10 16:00:00 ka6sox: http://www.exsys.de/shop/product_info.php?info=p106_4--Port-USB-3-0-Metall-HUB--included-Power-Supply.html Jul 10 16:00:10 most hubs will work in self powered mode Jul 10 16:00:20 ka6sox: http://www.exsys.de/shop/product_info.php?info=p103_7-Pport-USB-2-0-Metal-HUB.html Jul 10 16:00:28 and when you connect ext power source it switches to powered Jul 10 16:00:48 ka6sox: is also available in industrial mounting with <40V DC Jul 10 16:02:12 hi, I plugged my new beagle to a 5v 2250mA adapter and the board got hot then stopped working altogether, no leds powering on, not even on usb Jul 10 16:02:26 that sux Jul 10 16:02:38 was polarity correct Jul 10 16:02:38 should i try a RMA ? Jul 10 16:02:52 yes, plugged another device and worked Jul 10 16:02:55 cyp post on the groups let Gerald tell you what you need to do next. but it soudns as though you may have fried the processor Jul 10 16:03:09 pffff Jul 10 16:03:10 thanks Jul 10 16:03:11 did you have a center negative supply Jul 10 16:03:15 are the pins in the adapter correct? Jul 10 16:03:17 cyp, you sure you hooked up ground and power proerly ? Jul 10 16:03:29 properly* Jul 10 16:03:46 the adapter was bought, not self made Jul 10 16:03:57 <_av500_> it can still be bad Jul 10 16:03:58 <_av500_> or wrong Jul 10 16:03:59 so i guess it's set up properly Jul 10 16:04:04 .... Jul 10 16:04:06 really? Jul 10 16:04:09 So bus powered means the source powers the hub? Not an external source? Jul 10 16:04:10 never assume, always check. Jul 10 16:04:17 yes Jul 10 16:04:27 Does anyone have the Mechanical specs for the JTAG header? Jul 10 16:04:46 I want to connect my ZY1000 JTAG Tools to this board Jul 10 16:04:56 PTYMPS Gerald has mentioned it on the google groups before Jul 10 16:05:01 maybe you can search and find it Jul 10 16:05:05 i always check too cause when a center negative wall wart is floating around, I always tend to find that one Jul 10 16:05:46 PTYMPS -> beagleboard google groups Jul 10 16:05:51 Farnell says this one is self powered, but comes with an ac adaptor, how does that work? Jul 10 16:06:23 aliens Jul 10 16:06:25 <_av500_> Willdude123: they can do both Jul 10 16:06:31 <_av500_> self and dc-in Jul 10 16:07:08 what's with the influx of n00bs today? Jul 10 16:07:24 did some country go into holidays or something? Jul 10 16:07:32 no idea but it means the community seems to be growing Jul 10 16:07:34 thats a good thing Jul 10 16:07:41 hah Jul 10 16:07:50 no, the community is not growing, it's falling appart Jul 10 16:07:56 pfft Jul 10 16:07:58 <_av500_> nonsense Jul 10 16:08:24 if your community has too much influx of new people, who just come, take what they need, and go again.. you will not have a community for a long time Jul 10 16:08:43 <_av500_> KotH: the sky is not falling Jul 10 16:08:48 like hippies, not much of them left Jul 10 16:08:51 What's with the influx of arrogant people today? Jul 10 16:09:03 KotH, here is what ive been seeing. new users to the bbb coming on askign some questions. then a month or so later, these same people add information to the community. I see that as a good thing Jul 10 16:09:15 No one is born knowing everything. or anything for that matter Jul 10 16:10:47 _av500_: damn, and i just bought a new set of helmets! Jul 10 16:10:59 heh Jul 10 16:11:08 hope they're lined with tinfoil :P Jul 10 16:12:32 Im new here and not a n00b Jul 10 16:12:36 <_av500_> with chocolate Jul 10 16:13:39 jsarman__, welcome! Jul 10 16:14:21 monring ka6sox Jul 10 16:14:28 morning too lol Jul 10 16:14:33 kridner told me to get on years ago but I was too embedded in my designs to talk Jul 10 16:14:54 aka lazy to be social Jul 10 16:15:06 aka not wanting to be distracted. Jul 10 16:15:11 Hey gentlemen, I just received my BeagleBone Rev A6 board and I have a problem with the XDS100v2 driver, when I plug the USB cable. My win7 says that the installation was unsuccessful. I've already tried to find this driver, uninstall and install using the device manager. Does anyone has an idea about how to solve this? Jul 10 16:15:22 jsarman__: welcome to #beagle! :-) Jul 10 16:15:28 <_av500_> feliperegis: which beaglebone? Jul 10 16:15:31 <_av500_> white or black? Jul 10 16:15:36 felipebalbi, this is the bb white ? Jul 10 16:15:43 white Jul 10 16:15:46 <_av500_> ok Jul 10 16:15:48 sounds like jtag problem Jul 10 16:16:02 <_av500_> the driver is FTDI Jul 10 16:16:08 <_av500_> there were some issues with win7 drviers Jul 10 16:16:10 <_av500_> 64bit Jul 10 16:16:17 my bad the 100 Jul 10 16:16:22 <_av500_> I forgot what the solution was Jul 10 16:16:25 mourning m_billybob Jul 10 16:16:35 <_av500_> google should know Jul 10 16:16:46 i got a high dollar jtag Jul 10 16:16:52 feliperegis> mine was finicky and I had to reboot and stuff and it eventually magically worked. Jul 10 16:17:02 Then I never had problems again with it. Jul 10 16:17:04 * m_billybob has a segger Jul 10 16:17:14 nice Jul 10 16:17:22 I seemed to have the same problem with the black when I got it. Jul 10 16:17:54 would think TI would haveinstruction on their wiki Jul 10 16:17:57 I was thinking about to use linux, but if I could fix it on win it would be better Jul 10 16:18:01 have instructions* Jul 10 16:19:33 <_av500_> KotH: http://www.rssenews.org.uk/2013/07/rss-commission-new-research-into-public-perceptions-of-statistics/ Jul 10 16:19:52 <_av500_> its bout the UK,but I guess it applies everywhere Jul 10 16:20:08 jackmitchell, you here? Jul 10 16:20:59 feliperegis, you may have to install the drivers as admin, that is the only thing i can think of off hand Jul 10 16:21:15 i could lie and say I have the Lauterbach Jul 10 16:21:17 felipebalbi, e.g. right click the install and select run as administrator Jul 10 16:21:56 err right clickthe installer* Jul 10 16:21:58 jsarman__, I *do* have them...but thats too expensive Jul 10 16:22:04 if you cant get the XDS100 working then get a Lauterbach Jul 10 16:22:35 jsarman__ does the white use the same emulator as teh msp430 launchpad ? Jul 10 16:22:39 m_billybob, I've already done it. Which FTDI driver I should search for? Jul 10 16:23:02 XDS100 sounds like it Jul 10 16:23:26 jsarman__, which is why we are doing a GSoC project to create something so we don't have to buy the lauterbach Jul 10 16:24:02 felipebalbi, no personal hands on with the BBW, but if that is the same jtag emulation the msp430 launchpad uses, I just got the CDC driver from TI and installed it Jul 10 16:24:35 felipebalbi, also for what its worth, I run Win7 enterprise x64 Jul 10 16:25:00 I was joke on the lauterbach unless you have the funds Jul 10 16:25:47 av500: yes? Jul 10 16:25:50 but im not sure of the launchpad emulator will work, never tried it Jul 10 16:27:11 so you already have the lauterbach why can't you use that Jul 10 16:27:37 well i use the gcc toolchain now, which seems to work better. well install was much more painless from what I remember Jul 10 16:28:40 jsarman__, I have several because each one has *different* firmware... Jul 10 16:28:48 PPC, ARM etc Jul 10 16:28:56 its a mess. Jul 10 16:30:14 Hmm I thought the lauterbach was only jtag capable of debugging from bootloader and work seamlessly through kernel once the memory mapping kicked in Jul 10 16:31:00 and if so I would making the lauterbach work If I were lucky enough to have one Jul 10 16:31:14 how much better is this than the pi Jul 10 16:31:25 What is the USB to TTL 3v3 cable used for? Jul 10 16:31:30 <_av500_> serial Jul 10 16:31:32 <_av500_> debug Jul 10 16:31:39 <_av500_> your eyes and ears on the pulse of the BBB Jul 10 16:33:20 not 100% on this but I think Ti docs are more open and marvell docs not so much, but I haven't researched that so dont quote me Jul 10 16:33:40 How many serial ports are there? Jul 10 16:33:57 5 Jul 10 16:34:04 sorry 4.5 Jul 10 16:34:25 hehe 4.5? TX or RX missing? Jul 10 16:34:43 What's wrong with ssh for debug? Jul 10 16:35:11 <_av500_> nothing Jul 10 16:35:19 <_av500_> but you wont debug e.g. the boot process this way Jul 10 16:37:32 well I would run the entire system through debugger if I had that option Jul 10 16:38:06 probably would breakpoint much in bootloader phase, but would be nice to do it Jul 10 16:38:48 cyp_, lol you need to provide more information on your google group post ;) Jul 10 16:38:54 case in point a few years ago I built a board using the gumstix omap board and was trying to get mmc3 working Jul 10 16:39:13 cyp_, and probably do a bit of testing Jul 10 16:39:22 but the clock line had to be set to clock mode and the IO had to be set to input Jul 10 16:39:27 <_av500_> yes Jul 10 16:39:30 <_av500_> I remember that :) Jul 10 16:39:49 had I been able to flip the bit in a debugger probably would not have taking me 8 hours to figure that out Jul 10 16:39:51 lmao Jul 10 16:39:56 "As you may have noticed we appear to have trotted over the grumpy troll's bridge . . ." Jul 10 16:40:06 hehehe Jul 10 16:40:13 <_av500_> what post? Jul 10 16:41:16 oh, that was a freendoe global message if you're askign me av500 Jul 10 16:41:24 freenode* Jul 10 16:41:28 <_av500_> ah Jul 10 16:41:44 I take it you're not a registered user on the network Jul 10 16:42:45 <_av500_> I am Jul 10 16:42:50 <_av500_> just didnt chekc that channel Jul 10 16:42:57 maybe you have global messages disabled Jul 10 16:43:04 <_av500_> no Jul 10 16:43:27 <_av500_> but they appear in a different window Jul 10 16:43:39 ah Jul 10 16:43:59 yeah i have global messages go to the active chat channel im in Jul 10 16:45:19 <_av500_> as if I know how to set up irssi :) Jul 10 16:45:35 * m_billybob doesnt use irssi Jul 10 16:45:52 semi difficult on windows ;) Jul 10 16:47:26 <_Sy_> hello Jul 10 16:48:13 _av500_ is set up by irssi Jul 10 16:48:31 <_av500_> +1 Jul 10 16:48:35 <_av500_> I stumbled into it Jul 10 16:48:38 <_av500_> got stuck Jul 10 16:50:59 av500: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/203 need a hug? Jul 10 16:51:40 Hi im rerouting some of the wires on my BBB for a custom task. I'm using eagle and have downloaded the Gerber and .BRD files but keep getting the error "line 1, column 1: start tag expected" when I try to open the .BRD file. anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it? Jul 10 16:52:52 <_av500_> I dont think the geagle files are for eagle Jul 10 16:53:02 <_av500_> beagle Jul 10 16:53:06 <_av500_> schmeagle Jul 10 16:53:19 what version of eagle? Jul 10 16:53:21 6 or 5? Jul 10 16:53:38 6.4 Jul 10 16:53:45 sorry 6.2 Jul 10 16:54:06 n/m then Jul 10 16:54:44 and av500 that's kind of what I was starting to think it seems like that is what some other forms have been saying. do you know what PCB CAD software I should use to modify the board? Jul 10 16:54:47 GrantDH: they're probably Orcad Jul 10 16:55:49 and orcad to hobbyist level CAD softwareconverters are expensive. Jul 10 16:57:05 allegro isn't it? Jul 10 16:59:07 orcad/allegro..its all EXPENSIVE Jul 10 16:59:33 I think so. I dont use Orcad, my buddy does, but once tried to find software to convert brd files to hobbyist level CAD software Jul 10 17:00:06 the results were somethign like $1500 which technically I guess is much cheaper than a seat on orcad Jul 10 17:00:33 * vvu remembers that orcad has some awkward bugs Jul 10 17:01:21 damn oh well Jul 10 17:02:12 * _av500_ once paid $500 to convert eagle to the spectra autorouter Jul 10 17:02:21 <_av500_> and the autorouter was useless Jul 10 17:02:27 <_av500_> ended up routing it all by hand Jul 10 17:03:14 _av500_: +1! same here Jul 10 17:03:28 except the money part :) Jul 10 17:32:23 here is expensive but nice rs485 isolator http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/ADM2682E_2687E.pdf Jul 10 17:32:46 gah...memory leeks Jul 10 17:33:00 <_av500_> yum Jul 10 17:33:33 ka6sox: mine does that every time I sleep :( Jul 10 17:33:48 _av500_, 32hrs into a World Build of OE and Bitbreak is broken. Jul 10 17:34:24 Score 28 or KILL child process Jul 10 17:35:16 djlewis, I thought it was just me! Jul 10 17:35:57 Thats 4 wire.... Jul 10 17:36:03 yeah Jul 10 17:36:07 full duplex Jul 10 17:36:12 too pricy Jul 10 17:36:16 but still nice Jul 10 17:36:45 I dont need. The rs485 devices I have is 2 wire.HDuplex Jul 10 17:37:01 me either, just thought it was a sweet IC Jul 10 17:37:06 all in one Jul 10 17:37:10 You need to enable and disable, how is that full duplex? Jul 10 17:37:23 couse its four wires Jul 10 17:37:51 well yeah only fully duplux if two devices Jul 10 17:38:20 its got nice protection though Jul 10 17:39:00 oh well that first schematic I found was good as well Jul 10 17:39:25 but you gotta have the isolator circuit on both side or invert the data one one side Jul 10 17:40:19 he didn't mention that on his site but he is either setting up his up to invert the serial or the remote side is inverting Jul 10 17:41:03 what's a good way to toggle a gpio from a webpage? Jul 10 17:41:09 all the isolators are invertors by design Jul 10 17:41:20 I didnt undetand that one Jul 10 17:41:27 i already have it working one way, just wondering if I'm doing it wrong Jul 10 17:41:54 so logic 1 will be 0 on other side of isolator Jul 10 17:42:36 so the data has to be reinverted somehow Jul 10 17:43:04 if you have isolator to isolator then no invertor required Jul 10 17:43:38 if you isolate at the BB and the remote rs485 is not isolated then you have to invert the Rx and TX Jul 10 17:44:16 either in firmware or hardware depending on the capabilities Jul 10 17:44:20 I need one of these Jul 10 17:44:22 http://www.tigal.com/product/2916 Jul 10 17:46:18 thats nice Jul 10 17:46:25 no isolation though Jul 10 17:47:04 stick optocoup inbetween the gpio and the max chip Jul 10 17:47:07 does the AM processors allow for inverting the RX/TX signals in a register Jul 10 17:48:23 my system will have 16 remotes and I am going to use twisted flat ribbon cable so I still gotta make my own Jul 10 17:49:17 my reason for isolation is each remote has two 24 bit ADC's and I dont want the digital noise Jul 10 17:52:37 <_Sy_> Just started my BBB's usbstick flash system has come up readonly on both BBB's, why? Jul 10 17:53:01 <_Sy_> In fstab I have "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usbstick auto defaults 0 0" Jul 10 17:55:06 <_Sy_> anyone? Jul 10 17:56:01 Did it pass fsck? Jul 10 17:56:20 <_Sy_> restarting them both will check Jul 10 18:00:59 <_Sy_> Getting a bit fed up with the apparent flakyness of these boards...now they won't power up at all. Jul 10 18:01:33 ? Jul 10 18:02:10 <_av500_> +? Jul 10 18:02:51 <_Sy_> Both systems came up with readonly file system on USB sticks, restarted both systems, they wouldn't boot...couldn't connect with SSH...pullled power on USB hub, hub powered but no sign of life in BBB's. Jul 10 18:03:42 <_Sy_> No LED's on at all....if its not the dam upgrades that screw the flash its something else...sorry, but I'm spending more time trying to get the thing working than developing. Jul 10 18:04:02 I guess you're not powering over usb? Jul 10 18:04:05 <_Sy_> It would appear that both boards are dead Jul 10 18:04:13 and are you sure the boards had common ground? Jul 10 18:04:33 <_Sy_> How, its the same USB hub I've been using all the time...both have common earth connection. Jul 10 18:04:34 look, you can't brick the boards Jul 10 18:04:46 you can burn them, but not brick them Jul 10 18:04:48 <_av500_> and why are people always "upgrading"? Jul 10 18:05:14 <_Sy_> In order to reflash them they have to power up...they aren't Jul 10 18:05:18 so, do you have a DC PSU? Jul 10 18:05:57 <_Sy_> No, they are both powered from USB hub. Jul 10 18:06:31 the same usb hub? Jul 10 18:07:03 <_av500_> i'd get a 5v supply for tests Jul 10 18:07:08 <_av500_> just to make sure Jul 10 18:07:11 <_Sy_> I have one on order Jul 10 18:07:15 <_av500_> ok Jul 10 18:07:19 <_av500_> use the hub one :) Jul 10 18:07:28 <_Sy_> should be here tomorrow...will restart system now. Jul 10 18:13:06 very cool, liked that Circuitco video on the making of the BBB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcqQvH41OR4 Jul 10 18:15:53 what revision of the AM3359 are on the BBB Jul 10 18:16:58 and package type ? I am messing around with the pin mux software Jul 10 18:17:20 My BBB was ordered today so cant see for myself Jul 10 18:17:27 <_Sy_> After shutting down the system completely, the USB connections have come back up and there is power on the units, there is activity on the boards, LED's are flashing, but so far I cannot connect using SSH. Jul 10 18:17:57 jsarman__: ZCZ package type Jul 10 18:18:10 thanks does it have a rev # Jul 10 18:18:11 powering up two bbb from the same usb hub is a bit of a problem Jul 10 18:18:16 jsarman__: mine is the A5A revision btw, the first production one. XAM3359ACZC100 ... other markings sya 33A032W GI 962A ZCZ Jul 10 18:18:47 <_Sy_> I'll unplug one, but this is how I normally do it, the USB hub is mains powered. Jul 10 18:19:50 jsarman__: see if those markings tell you anything about revision. I haven't looked into the chip's markings in detail but I reckon the datasheet should tell you how to interpret those. Jul 10 18:20:17 yeah the pinmux utility wants Rev 1.x or 2.x Jul 10 18:20:29 I'll go with 2.x for now Jul 10 18:20:34 <_Sy_> Even with only one plugged in, still won't allow me to connect....the LED's are flashing.... Jul 10 18:21:01 _Sy_: Can you connect over the serial link? Jul 10 18:21:17 As in, you upgraded--maybe the ssh server broke. Jul 10 18:21:23 yeah get your serial comm going first Jul 10 18:21:33 <_Sy_> I could if it shows up as a serial port but none is detected... Jul 10 18:21:35 then ifconfig to see Jul 10 18:21:39 your ip address Jul 10 18:22:03 <_Sy_> I cannot shell into the unit so how can I run anything like ifconfig Jul 10 18:22:11 _Sy_: At all, or is it just not mapped to a dev node? Jul 10 18:22:14 through serial port Jul 10 18:22:22 gotta have that going Jul 10 18:22:24 What does dmesg say on your host box when you plug it it? Jul 10 18:22:41 <_Sy_> My dev system is windows 7 Jul 10 18:22:45 use putty Jul 10 18:23:06 <_Sy_> I am, but like I said, no port is showing, so cannot connect to it with putty.... Jul 10 18:23:11 select serial radio button Jul 10 18:23:31 _Sy_: Interesting choice. OK, what happens when you try plugging the bone directly into one of your powered USB ports? Jul 10 18:23:34 <_Sy_> I know how to use putty, if I type "mode" in cmd window, no ports show up. Jul 10 18:23:41 well is the usb serial device show in your device manager Jul 10 18:23:57 jsarman__: Dude, _Sy_ does not yet even have a device driver loaded up. Drop the PuTTY thing for a bit. ;-P Jul 10 18:24:17 <_Sy_> no Jul 10 18:24:20 <_Sy_> nothing Jul 10 18:24:25 <_Sy_> no device, no ports Jul 10 18:24:35 so load the driver Jul 10 18:25:03 _Sy_: Nothing heppens even if you bypass your hub and go straight to the ports on your motherboard? Jul 10 18:25:10 <_Sy_> I've scanned the system, there is nothing found, no prompt for driver Jul 10 18:25:22 I assume you have rebooted your dev machine too? Jul 10 18:25:30 *without the bone plugged in Jul 10 18:25:36 <_Sy_> yes Jul 10 18:25:53 Interesting. Jul 10 18:25:59 Did you try a different computer? Jul 10 18:26:37 <_Sy_> I haven't yet....but I've been using these BBB's for over two weeks and I've connected with SSS no problem Jul 10 18:26:43 so you loaded the driver already and nothing happening Jul 10 18:26:57 Also, what type of FDTI serial device are you using? Something like the SparkFun FTDI breakout, or an old-school FTDI cable? Jul 10 18:27:26 <_av500_> a steam powered one? Jul 10 18:29:19 <_Sy_> Going to shut down and restart again....there was a windows update about an hour ago, I wonder if thats screwed something? Jul 10 18:29:42 .... Jul 10 18:29:51 whats the problem anyhow ? Jul 10 18:30:08 Apparently he had no serial device show up when the bone was plugged in. Jul 10 18:30:16 And the bone did not respond to SSH. Jul 10 18:30:24 no serial device for what ? Jul 10 18:30:28 serial debug ? Jul 10 18:30:32 Yeah. Jul 10 18:30:46 somethign tells me this is just a _SY_ moment again. Jul 10 18:30:50 Because, if you cannot SSH into the bone, and you cannot serial into the bone...how do you talk with it? Jul 10 18:30:54 Probably. Jul 10 18:30:56 the ftdi chip is on the cable right Jul 10 18:30:58 hes always having problems Jul 10 18:31:10 jsarman__: Or on the breakout board. Jul 10 18:31:20 m_billybob: I can tell. Jul 10 18:31:32 Made the mistake of offering help before looking at nicks. ;-P Jul 10 18:31:35 mines in route so I am just going off web page Jul 10 18:32:23 _Sy_ so what now ? Jul 10 18:32:29 so I am assuming the ftdi is on the cable Jul 10 18:32:30 <_Sy_> scanning for new device now. Jul 10 18:32:43 scaning for what new device ? Jul 10 18:32:48 <_Sy_> waiting and hoping that its going to come up Jul 10 18:33:02 <_Sy_> BBB Jul 10 18:33:03 _Sy_ what are you trying to connect to / with ? Jul 10 18:33:09 if so you dont even need to have the BBB plugged into cable to see the ftdi in device manager Jul 10 18:33:44 jsarman__ usually if its a com emulated device, it wont show until its plugged in on Windows Jul 10 18:33:52 <_Sy_> Trying to get my dev.system to see BBB.... Jul 10 18:34:23 <_Sy_> Normally after a short period an explorer window will open for each BBB, but now nothing. Jul 10 18:34:32 well if ftdi is in cable then ftdi doesn't give a crap is somethings hooked to the RX / TX lines Jul 10 18:34:33 _Sy_ you need to be more specific. trying to see it *how* ? there are like 4 different ways to connect to a BBB Jul 10 18:34:41 possibly 5 Jul 10 18:34:50 jsarman__: I haven't seen him mention that he *has* an FTDI here... Jul 10 18:35:02 yeah Im guessing Jul 10 18:35:19 jsarman__: The BBB does bring up an internal USB serial link from what I've been able to gather, if it's working right, but otherwise you need an FTDI to fix issues. Jul 10 18:35:22 assuming the debug cable is the ftdi integrated cable Jul 10 18:35:47 _Sy_: Do you have an FTDI cable laying around you can use with the 6-pin header? Jul 10 18:35:56 <_Sy_> I have powered down one of the BBB's, its disconnected, so I have one connected to USB hub, the USB hub is mains powered, when I connect this to the PC, normally it opens an explorer window to the shared drive...but I'm not getting that, the LED's are flashing on the BBB, but I cannot open an SSH shell to it either. Jul 10 18:36:00 heh i use one of my launchpads to do serial debug Jul 10 18:36:05 thats what I was referring to Jul 10 18:36:06 <_Sy_> No I don't have one. Jul 10 18:36:11 the 6 pin header Jul 10 18:36:18 Ah k, yeah, you need one of those to troubleshoot any deeper. Jul 10 18:36:22 <_Sy_> I don't have a 6 pin header Jul 10 18:36:29 You have a BBB? Jul 10 18:36:32 _Sy_: And you have tried dropping the hub entirely and plugging the bone directly into the computer? Jul 10 18:36:39 _Sy_ so you meant mass storage device ? why is that important ? Jul 10 18:36:42 <_Sy_> will do that now... Jul 10 18:36:50 I know I asked that already, but you are talking about having the hub in again. Jul 10 18:37:11 <_Sy_> Now BBB is direct to PC, no hub...waiting. Jul 10 18:37:12 _Sy_: If this is a BBB you have, the 6-pin header is just on the inside of the P9 cape header (on the left side, looking at it with the RJ45 up top) Jul 10 18:37:36 <_Sy_> Yep, I know where it is thanks Jul 10 18:38:08 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3oca40vrH-g/Ubd5TjD-0_I/AAAAAAAAALU/-GibZBaTvKk/s1024/beaglebone-black-serial.jpg Jul 10 18:38:14 <_Sy_> still nothing, lots of LED activity but no boot Jul 10 18:38:24 define LED activity Jul 10 18:38:32 heartbeat patern ? Jul 10 18:38:38 random blining ? Jul 10 18:38:48 <_Sy_> The first LED is flashing a lot, the 3rd LED flashes occansionally Jul 10 18:39:02 Define "a lot" 1Hz, 10Hz? Jul 10 18:39:06 and it does this as soon as you turn it on ? Jul 10 18:39:43 hey folks! I have a good system on my SD card that I want to back up, so I used win32 disk imager to make an img file. but the file is 4GB (size of the SD). How can I "ignore" the free space to end with a smaller file? Jul 10 18:39:55 typically, atleast running Debian first two LEDs go solid for a few seconds, then I believe first, and third, until the kernel loads and the heartbeat pattern starts Jul 10 18:39:56 <_Sy_> Ok, am trying the other board...it goes through the start up sequence, LED's lighing in order, then the first LED blinks approx. twice a second, then the 3rd LED blinks every 2-3 seconds. Jul 10 18:40:03 gui_: Compression. Jul 10 18:40:17 _Sy_ what did you do that caused this ? Jul 10 18:40:24 gui_: The empty space is pretty much zeroes, which compress really, really well. Jul 10 18:40:39 _Sy_ anything new like new image or something ? Jul 10 18:40:41 gui_: Just use like zip or gzip. Jul 10 18:41:00 agmlego, but I need to have the uncompressed img to flash the eMMC, don't I? Jul 10 18:41:08 <_Sy_> Updated, using opkg update....then shutdown both units with shutdown -r, they haven't come back since Jul 10 18:41:20 thats your problem.. Jul 10 18:41:23 gui_: Right, so you decompress it when you go to write it back to a card for use in the bone. Jul 10 18:41:32 <_Sy_> what? Jul 10 18:41:33 err wait did you do update or upgrade ? Jul 10 18:41:40 <_Sy_> update Jul 10 18:41:58 _Sy_ and you have no serial debug cable ? Jul 10 18:41:59 <_Sy_> upgrade nearly always complains 503 failure. Jul 10 18:42:14 <_Sy_> I have serial cables but not a 6 pin connector Jul 10 18:42:19 agmlego, that's my issue. I need a system + the image on my SD card in order to flash. but the image itself is the size of the card Jul 10 18:42:34 _Sy_ you only need to connect 3 pins Jul 10 18:42:34 <_Sy_> female Jul 10 18:42:43 gui_: Get a bigger card, or a smaller image. Jul 10 18:42:48 <_av500_> not just a serial cable Jul 10 18:42:49 <_Sy_> yep, but I can't hold them on :) Jul 10 18:42:53 <_av500_> one with a TTL output Jul 10 18:42:58 haha, that's what I want, a smaller image :P Jul 10 18:43:02 <_av500_> e.g. FTDI Jul 10 18:43:04 A 3.3V TTL output. Jul 10 18:43:08 _Sy_ ah ok, well you can always rig somethign up, I had to do that myself Jul 10 18:43:34 _Sy_ but you really need to get at the serial console to see what happening Jul 10 18:43:41 <_Sy_> Will take them into work tomorrow, and see what I can rig up. Jul 10 18:43:45 can I flash from an sd card reader plugged to the USB port? Jul 10 18:44:03 <_av500_> of course Jul 10 18:44:03 sounds plausible Jul 10 18:44:08 gui_: This is a working system, yeah? After backing a backup of the full image onto your computer, resize the partition on ythe card to like 3GB. if that boots normally, image *that* and go on. Jul 10 18:44:09 <_av500_> it's SW Jul 10 18:44:13 <_av500_> you can do anything Jul 10 18:44:14 _Sy_ the only other option is to create a bootable SD card, and see if you can figure out what is missing / wrong Jul 10 18:44:26 ( after mounting the eMMC ) Jul 10 18:44:34 <_Sy_> I have one...will try it now Jul 10 18:45:06 resize... good idea. I'll search on that Jul 10 18:45:07 thanks Jul 10 18:45:26 gui_: What is your host OS? Jul 10 18:45:33 culprits to check would be uEnv.txt on the eMMC, and to make sure the file structure on /boot and /root are right Jul 10 18:45:52 Because you probably will not be able to resize the partition on the bone, if you are booted off the card. Jul 10 18:46:03 And windows does not resize Linus filesystems nicely. Jul 10 18:46:08 *Linux Jul 10 18:46:51 _Sy_ honestly man lol, you always seems to have problems. Stop that ! Jul 10 18:47:19 <_Sy_> thats probably because I have lots of plans and want to run before I walk :) Jul 10 18:47:25 hehehe Jul 10 18:47:26 <_Sy_> have got a login using SD card Jul 10 18:47:33 Im not without my problems too Jul 10 18:47:40 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/USB-RS232-WE-1800-BT_5.0/768-1078-ND/2441365?WT.mc_id=PLA_2441365 Jul 10 18:47:51 get one of those SY Jul 10 18:48:10 agmlego, I'm running both windows and ubuntu Jul 10 18:48:19 _Sy_ oh i do not need to mention that your serial cable / module needs to be 3v3 ttl right ? Jul 10 18:48:20 just need to connect Rx TX and GND Jul 10 18:48:26 gui_: Resize the parititon using gparted in Ubuntu. Jul 10 18:48:33 jsarman__ like this -> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3oca40vrH-g/Ubd5TjD-0_I/AAAAAAAAALU/-GibZBaTvKk/s1024/beaglebone-black-serial.jpg Jul 10 18:48:35 it doesnt Jul 10 18:48:38 on the BBB Jul 10 18:48:49 agmlego, I'll try that. thanks Jul 10 18:48:56 cause the schematics show only Rx TX and GND Jul 10 18:49:07 jsarman__: I actually recommend this: –https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873?gclid=CIm1q9PLpbgCFWJlMgodmyYAEA Jul 10 18:49:15 Far more useful. Jul 10 18:49:20 that cool Jul 10 18:49:30 I just digikeyed it Jul 10 18:49:44 Right, which is probably the wrong thing to do with this type of product. Jul 10 18:50:00 Because the one you linked has no connector on the end. Jul 10 18:50:13 Spirilis have yo usold any of your friction fit FTDI adapters yet ? Jul 10 18:50:18 oh wait I like mine better Jul 10 18:50:45 m_billybob: nope Jul 10 18:50:50 :( Jul 10 18:51:03 keeping it up there but no bites yet Jul 10 18:51:22 What is this, Spirilis? Jul 10 18:51:29 Spirilis, im strapped for cash atm tried gettign wulf to buy two, but I will havesome money soon to spend on toys so i may buy one Jul 10 18:51:55 agmlego: https://www.tindie.com/products/spirilis/beaglebone-black-ftdi-friction-fit/ Jul 10 18:52:09 actually the BBB team made the debug pinout match the ftdi with header Jul 10 18:52:41 agmlego: FTDI that's low-profile so it fits snug underneath a cape :) Jul 10 18:52:43 they then floated the power CTS and RTS Jul 10 18:53:01 arr Jul 10 18:53:15 this is what i do for now -> http://forum.beaglefu.com/topic/92-msp430-launchpad-v15-serial-debug/?p=275 Jul 10 18:53:19 Spirilis: Cute. Jul 10 18:53:36 agmlego, 2 questions: should I leave the remaining space unallocated? if data is not contiguous, will gparted take care of that? Jul 10 18:53:55 gui_: Yes, and sort of. Jul 10 18:54:12 gui, what you up to ? Jul 10 18:54:12 gui_: But the filesystem you are changing is probably an ext variant. Jul 10 18:54:13 4.30 can beat the price Jul 10 18:54:16 cant Jul 10 18:54:24 ext4 Jul 10 18:54:27 $11 now though Jul 10 18:54:31 oh Jul 10 18:54:33 lol they dotn sell for $4.30 any longer jsarman__ Jul 10 18:54:40 I got mine way back when Jul 10 18:54:41 like Spirilis said :) Jul 10 18:54:48 so did we Jul 10 18:54:50 er, $10 sorry Jul 10 18:54:51 we have 4. Jul 10 18:54:53 $9.99 Jul 10 18:54:58 still aint bad Jul 10 18:55:02 m_billybob I'm trying to resize my current SD card to create a small img backup Jul 10 18:55:12 gui ah Jul 10 18:55:23 What does the l;aunchpad do for you? Jul 10 18:55:27 <_Sy_> I've got a backup of the image for the BBB which I made a few days ago on USB stick using " Jul 10 18:55:27 <_Sy_> dd if=/mnt/usbstick/bb2.eMMC.img of=/dev/sda" Jul 10 18:55:30 nah for what you get, not bad. To hell with the serial port though. I tried using the launchpad's serial port in linux a while back and all it did was kernel panic my linux server after a day... Jul 10 18:55:34 gui no need or want for network back up then ? Jul 10 18:55:34 and agmlego is being very helpful on that :P Jul 10 18:55:44 <_Sy_> If I boot from SD card, can I restore the image I created back to eMMC ? Jul 10 18:55:46 yeah i see Jul 10 18:55:56 i want to flash the emmc with that image Jul 10 18:56:07 but it occupies the whole SD card Jul 10 18:56:11 _Sy_, yes, by removing the SD card Jul 10 18:56:28 <_Sy_> ? Jul 10 18:56:32 R2E4: mainly a dev platform for the MSP430 value line microcontrollers, including FET for reflashing & JTAG-debug type of work. Jul 10 18:56:33 _Sy_ but sounds like you're haing issues booting off emmc atm Jul 10 18:57:08 _Sy_ oh hmm not exactly sure what you mean by "restore" Jul 10 18:57:17 <_Sy_> I am, so if I boot from micro SD and mount my USB stick, how can I restore to eMMC? Jul 10 18:57:23 _Sy_ you mean like a windows restore disk type of thing ? Jul 10 18:57:28 we could tell him to get the max 232 bread board and keyspan and some caps and some regulators Jul 10 18:57:33 <_Sy_> instead of image to USB, I want to go USB to eMMC Jul 10 18:57:38 R2E4: Except m_billybob who uses its serial interface as a USB-serial adapter and reworks his BBB's linux install to expose ttyO0 at 9600bps... Jul 10 18:58:22 jsarman__: Why would we do that when you can buy any number of prefab breakouts for a well-supported USB-TTL adapter chip? Jul 10 18:58:31 nice hack to have in your pocket but I wouldn't use that unless I was in a pinch :) Jul 10 18:58:40 _Sy_ you lost me Jul 10 18:58:44 cause Im joking Jul 10 18:59:00 im going back to 1999 Jul 10 18:59:04 vaizki strapped for cash didnt have any other options Jul 10 18:59:09 jsarman__: Keep going. Jul 10 18:59:19 <_Sy_> I created a back up of the eMMC to USB stick, now I want to repair the eMMC using the backup. Jul 10 18:59:27 last usb-ttl adapter I bought was like $5 with free shipping Jul 10 18:59:36 _Sy_ if you created it you must know how to use it ? Jul 10 18:59:58 sy, if you boot from sd card then yes you can restore the usb to emmc Jul 10 18:59:59 _Sy_ i have absolutely zero knowledge of what you did Jul 10 19:00:05 if you cant build your own rs232 level shifter then your going to have a bad time Jul 10 19:00:07 <_Sy_> dd if=/mnt/usbstick/bb2.eMMC.img of=/dev/sda Jul 10 19:00:20 eh? Jul 10 19:00:30 but yeah I buy em nowadays Jul 10 19:00:42 I hope you didn't make the backup that way sy Jul 10 19:00:51 vaizki, i doubt that would work. Jul 10 19:00:55 lol Jul 10 19:01:09 m_billybob: why wouldn't it work? Jul 10 19:01:14 _Sy_ you need to make backup of the seperate partitions not the whole disk object Jul 10 19:01:24 why would it work Jul 10 19:01:55 sys when you get back in just run dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmc1 bs=512;sync Jul 10 19:02:02 of course you can backup the whole block device Jul 10 19:02:39 but the emmc device is /dev/mmcblk0 and sy's dd commandline was very weird Jul 10 19:02:51 oh my bad Jul 10 19:03:36 something like sudo tar -zcvf ~/rootfs.tar.gz . would be more appropriate id think Jul 10 19:04:18 to backup emmc to usb stick (which usually shows up as /dev/sda I guess) you'd do dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/sda bs=1024k or similar Jul 10 19:04:25 <_Sy_> It created a 1.6 GB file Jul 10 19:04:33 this is how i backup my own rootfs but i do that on a remote system as mty bbb netboots Jul 10 19:05:02 agmlego, even after resizing, the image size remains the same :/ Jul 10 19:05:10 sy, I think you managed to backup the usb stick to itself or something if you used that dd command you posted earlier Jul 10 19:05:14 I think I need another program to make the image Jul 10 19:05:22 well we could keep going on and on but until _SY_ gets the debug serial port communicating with the PC and sees bootloader noise its going to be hard to help Jul 10 19:06:00 _Sy_ have yo uinspected the uEnv.txt file on the emmc boot partition ? Jul 10 19:06:20 <_Sy_> will take a look, hold on Jul 10 19:06:26 I would not think opkg update would touch it but . . .yeah Jul 10 19:06:37 obviously you're having a problem Jul 10 19:06:53 sorry, jumped in the middle and just tried to help :) Jul 10 19:07:02 hey its pok you're doing fine Jul 10 19:07:06 its ok* Jul 10 19:07:09 oh and the debug port does support 5V ttl thanks to the SN74LVC2G241 Jul 10 19:07:41 you put a 5v ttl serial module on the BBB and you'll fry the serial debug port ;) Jul 10 19:07:50 without any line leveling Jul 10 19:07:55 no seriously look at the schematics Jul 10 19:07:57 no you don't Jul 10 19:08:05 they put the SN74LVC2G241 Jul 10 19:08:05 I am using 5V TTL right now Jul 10 19:08:13 which is line leveling Jul 10 19:08:17 <_Sy_> where can I fine uEnv.txt, I thought it was in /media/BEAGLEBONE/ but I don't seem to have a BEAGLEBONE directory Jul 10 19:08:27 http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc2g241.pdf Jul 10 19:08:40 jsarman__ im going by what Gerald has said Jul 10 19:08:48 second bullet Supports 5-V Vcc operation Jul 10 19:08:54 so yeah im not putting a 5v ttl device on it period Jul 10 19:09:00 im not either Jul 10 19:09:03 but you can Jul 10 19:09:03 no matter who says what Jul 10 19:09:21 its only $45 but dont want to waste my neeto tpy :) Jul 10 19:09:23 they thought of that Jul 10 19:09:32 is all Im saying Jul 10 19:09:55 didn't want RMA's cause of 5V on the serial debug port Jul 10 19:09:55 Quick question: .... can it be set up to run Dos 6.6 ? If so , can you suggest the simplest methode to do this? Can I set up a part. on "HD" that would emulate the old 500Mb HDs and then format that to DOS6.6 ? Jul 10 19:09:58 jsarman__, Gerald, they guy who actually designed the board says to not use 5v ttl Jul 10 19:10:08 I would too Jul 10 19:10:19 but ask Gerald if the http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc2g241.pdf Jul 10 19:10:38 will protect Jul 10 19:10:41 DRBOB DOS as in ex MS DOS ? Is there an ARM version of dos now days ? Jul 10 19:10:43 he'll say yeah Jul 10 19:10:55 god i sure hope not Jul 10 19:10:58 but still recommend the 3.3 Jul 10 19:11:15 well I read the schematic like jsarman__ when I needed to connect to the BBB and used a 5V TTL adapter without any problems Jul 10 19:11:16 mru: 26+26! ^ Jul 10 19:11:27 I am using the ZeptoProg II actually Jul 10 19:11:49 vaizki, well im not exactly an EE, so yeah you're far braver than I ;) Jul 10 19:11:50 it's perfectly fine if your 5V rs232 can accept 3.3V in Jul 10 19:11:57 gui_: ...what. Jul 10 19:11:58 also used an el cheapo PL2303 or something without problems Jul 10 19:12:04 cause the output is going to be 3.3 Jul 10 19:12:14 hah, nice Jul 10 19:12:15 yeah Jul 10 19:12:17 it's not rs232 Jul 10 19:12:24 that SN74LVC2G241 should protect Jul 10 19:12:33 but anyway, they all consider 2V to be high so 3.3V TTL is fine Jul 10 19:13:09 Yes, MS DOS, need to run legacy serial equipment in full DOS 6.0 or newer enviro. Jul 10 19:13:12 I dont think TI puts it in the front page FEATURE if it doen;t do that Jul 10 19:13:18 m_billybob: I'm no EE either but learning ;) Jul 10 19:13:20 _Sy_: it is shared over the USB connection. Do you have the USB client connected? Jul 10 19:13:20 we actually have a 5v FTDI module here. Jul 10 19:13:33 it'll work Jul 10 19:13:47 DRBOB: get an old PC then Jul 10 19:13:54 DRBOB, point being, I dount you'll find an ARM compatible version of DOS. Jul 10 19:14:01 <_Sy_> I think the mikro SD card is now flashing the eMMC...will let you know in about 45 minutes. Jul 10 19:14:03 unless the RX on the FTDI can decifer that 3.3 mean logic 1 Jul 10 19:14:07 DRBOB: short answer, no it won't run DOS Jul 10 19:14:14 it doesn't have a BIOS Jul 10 19:14:20 but Im sure that level is about 1.5 or so Jul 10 19:14:20 long answer, it is is bloddy insane :) Jul 10 19:14:21 perusing the datasheet's specs, not just the front page summary, does look like that buffer can take up to 6.5V on the input no matter what its Vcc is... Jul 10 19:14:21 and it's not x86 Jul 10 19:14:39 vaizki: shame isn't it? :P Jul 10 19:14:45 ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM RATINGS Jul 10 19:14:47 no Jul 10 19:14:58 lol Jul 10 19:15:10 doesnt mean run it at ABSOLUATE MAXIMUM RATINGS Jul 10 19:15:27 it means dont get close to that level Jul 10 19:15:29 ill have my buddy take a look see Jul 10 19:15:39 yeah but Recommended Operating Conditions Jul 10 19:15:39 hes been an EE for ~35 years Jul 10 19:15:40 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300881830900?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 Jul 10 19:15:44 Dosbox is open source. Jul 10 19:15:46 Vih High-level input voltage, Vcc=3V to 3.6V Jul 10 19:15:46 but if you do, test show it handles it Jul 10 19:15:48 I was using that one also with BBB Jul 10 19:15:49 Probably can crosscompile it. Jul 10 19:15:54 doesn't break the bank :D Jul 10 19:15:55 Min 2 ... Max blank (carbon copy of the "5.5" up above I presume) Jul 10 19:16:39 Spirilis, its call standard backside sheilding technique ;) Jul 10 19:16:43 called* Jul 10 19:16:50 m_billybob: haha Jul 10 19:17:13 e.g. you do it and it frying your out of luck ;) Jul 10 19:17:14 my rule of thum on max ratings is never go above .7071 of the value Jul 10 19:17:25 and fry it you're out of luck* Jul 10 19:17:26 Thank you. Can it handle a Virtual drive enviro ? If so, could I not set one up and then format it as an old DOS drive? such as DOSbox does ? Jul 10 19:17:45 DRBOB: No Jul 10 19:17:53 jsarman__: sqrt(1/2)? Jul 10 19:18:04 yep Jul 10 19:18:10 DRBOB only support for the beaglebone stuff is going to be Unix related Jul 10 19:18:22 Linux / Unix or *NIX Jul 10 19:18:48 nobody runs an RTOS on their BBB? :O Jul 10 19:19:02 which comes out to 5V with 6.5 ration Jul 10 19:19:05 rating Jul 10 19:19:07 imagine that Jul 10 19:19:14 vaizki im sure peopel run no OS on their BBB's Jul 10 19:19:14 DRBOB: If you have DOSbox running on your bone, I would think that everything dosbox does will work. Jul 10 19:19:45 6.5 * 1/sqrt(1/2) = 5V Jul 10 19:20:04 my bad Jul 10 19:20:23 6.5 * 1/sqrt(2) Jul 10 19:20:51 * m_billybob wonders if FreeDOS supports ARM Jul 10 19:20:52 so long story longer the debug serial port can handle 5V ttl Jul 10 19:20:55 hehe Jul 10 19:21:05 actually.. let me see.. Jul 10 19:21:21 but as the actual designers said use 3.3V Jul 10 19:21:38 which I would say same exact thing Jul 10 19:22:39 Thank you agmlego, I have had great success with DOSbox with old DOS apps. I have not tried it on BBB, and yes, intension is to run a RTOS. Has anyone in the forum tried to run DOSbox on BBB ? Jul 10 19:22:44 <_Sy_> This is the 3rd time I've had to reflash the eMMC and start over...what fun. Jul 10 19:22:57 so longer short story longer. Use 3v3 ttl ;) Jul 10 19:23:11 actually.. arch on BBB at least has dosbox right in the main repository Jul 10 19:23:25 hmmm Jul 10 19:23:26 so I was wrong Jul 10 19:23:28 DRBOB: No idea. You used the search function on the forum? Jul 10 19:23:46 I'm not going to install dosbox on my BBB because the dependencies include a crapload of X Jul 10 19:23:59 debian too Jul 10 19:24:00 http://packages.debian.org/sid/dosbox Jul 10 19:24:02 Not really surprisingl, given that is is a grsaphical program. Jul 10 19:24:23 although not sure if the ARM repo has that Jul 10 19:24:43 * m_billybob hasnt had hisbbb fired up for over a week now Jul 10 19:24:47 yeah, but if in a jam 5V will get you through it Jul 10 19:25:13 jsarman__, msp430 v1.5 launchpad at 9600 buad works fine ;) Jul 10 19:25:14 5V works fine. more is more! 5 > 3.3! Jul 10 19:25:20 baud too Jul 10 19:25:36 wow your screaming at 9600 Jul 10 19:25:40 I've also demoted my RasPi to a terminal server since getting the BBBs Jul 10 19:26:04 jsarman__ actually it slows the boot process down, but when debugging uboot paramters its a necessity Jul 10 19:26:20 need *something* Jul 10 19:26:29 m_billybob: check out the ebay link I just posted Jul 10 19:26:37 doesn't break the bank Jul 10 19:26:42 I always ran my beagleboard at 115200 Jul 10 19:26:53 vaizki ill go with FTDI thanks Jul 10 19:27:05 sure whatever Jul 10 19:27:09 i second the ftdi Jul 10 19:27:15 Thank you all for the help, & link, billybob. I'll try it & report back with results. Good day to all. Jul 10 19:27:23 I've never had problems with him Jul 10 19:27:25 DRBOB goog luck Jul 10 19:27:29 good luck too ! Jul 10 19:27:31 them Jul 10 19:27:36 goog(le) luck Jul 10 19:27:40 lol Jul 10 19:27:51 except hand solder the center pad can be a pain in the ass Jul 10 19:28:16 ftdi always works, other offbrand ones may work, but then again may not Jul 10 19:28:23 ftdi always has solid drivers Jul 10 19:28:25 ftdi rocks but I never have one when I need it. so I just sprinkle those cheapos around Jul 10 19:28:50 plus you can crank it up to like 1 mbps Jul 10 19:28:52 at 1.58 usd each I can leave a handful everywhere ;) Jul 10 19:29:18 vaizki those were actually selling for less than that a couple months back Jul 10 19:29:21 which 500K and launchpad with 8 mhz crystal is useful Jul 10 19:29:32 could have been gotten for as low as $1.27 Jul 10 19:30:09 m_billybob: why do i feel like you sent someone to the front lines? :) Jul 10 19:30:23 mranostay ? Jul 10 19:30:36 DRBOB Jul 10 19:30:45 what did i do ? Jul 10 19:31:10 also that company G&C, I have bought lots of stuff from them and it's all been a-ok Jul 10 19:31:16 someone was saying ARCH atleast has Dosbox support, and i checked the x86 Debian repo too . . . Jul 10 19:32:40 so i dont get it though why would anyone want dosbox or need dos support ? ancient compatibility ? Jul 10 19:32:52 well Arch is friendly enough to tell you exactly how they built their packages Jul 10 19:32:57 so I was thinking exact same thing Jul 10 19:32:59 just a sec Jul 10 19:33:34 i was about to google it guessing it meant dos but was going to make sure Jul 10 19:33:49 m_billybob: Yup. Jul 10 19:33:55 cause why would you use dos on linux Jul 10 19:34:01 An awful lot of stuff was written for DOS and still runs on it. Jul 10 19:34:03 jsarman__ it has got me thinking though. I have several old games that do not play on modern system / OSes well if at all so . . .lol cool project. Jul 10 19:34:29 And hardware that DOS will talk to natively is getting increasingly rare. Jul 10 19:34:35 retro dos gaming platform Jul 10 19:34:41 freedos! Jul 10 19:34:50 i guess, maybe I show hook my old Apple II C up and start coding on that Jul 10 19:35:05 play me some lode runner Jul 10 19:35:06 anyway, check out the PKGBUILD file for Arch repo dosbox if you want to figure out how to compile it on arm Jul 10 19:35:12 <_Sy_> 320x200 ....hi res gaming :P Jul 10 19:35:12 maxinux does freedos have an ARM port ? Jul 10 19:35:43 m_billybob: time for you to write one! Jul 10 19:35:53 _SY_ have you found a usb serial convertor yet ? Jul 10 19:35:54 i do not need nor even want one Jul 10 19:36:16 there is an ARM port of freedos-32 at least planned Jul 10 19:36:18 there are plans for arm ports and it is written portably :) Jul 10 19:36:32 <_Sy_> Waiting for this to complete....stick flickering away, hopefully eMMC is being re-flashed from SD card Jul 10 19:37:05 do you not have boxes of old electronics you can go hunt through Jul 10 19:37:29 jsarman__ that old hardware would run on 100x times as much pwer Jul 10 19:37:29 gotta get clever Jul 10 19:37:47 I kept it for my kids Jul 10 19:37:54 <_Sy_> who me? I have a suitcase full of cables, lots of serial cables and lots of USB -> serial adapters, but no female jumpers...at work we have lots of stuff, can make one tomorrow. Jul 10 19:37:59 I still have a PII system here Jul 10 19:38:22 that what i mean get clever Jul 10 19:38:37 no female jumpers? Jul 10 19:38:41 and a P4 laptop thats fallign apart somewhere, an 486 laptop . ..also has a 286 laptop 386 laptop think those are tossed out by now Jul 10 19:38:44 that's your big problem? Jul 10 19:38:47 there is some old junk PC around Im sure go find .1 molex connector Jul 10 19:38:59 <_Sy_> I've got a couple of old MACs, includiing a G3 Tower running Tiger... Jul 10 19:39:00 steal it Jul 10 19:39:35 open up a serial to usb Jul 10 19:39:51 bypass the RS232 level shifter Jul 10 19:40:02 done Jul 10 19:40:08 I can not imagine runnong one of those laptops any more . . . this system has 4 cores and 8GB ram . .going back to 16MB ram would truely suck. Jul 10 19:40:27 I'm wondering if I should order some DIP-8 ARM cortex-m0+ chips.. just for kicks... Jul 10 19:40:40 i remeber buying 128M ram, was a big purchaes Jul 10 19:40:58 <_Sy_> Doesn't time pass slowly when your waiting for something to complete? Jul 10 19:41:12 DIP-8? VCC, GND and some SPI? Jul 10 19:41:13 they gt the lauchpad for those too Jul 10 19:41:42 yeah so go make you a cable Jul 10 19:41:55 vaizki get some msp430G2553's instead :P Jul 10 19:42:12 I already have a few Jul 10 19:42:14 <_Sy_> I don't want to chop up a working adapter...will make something up tomorrow. Jul 10 19:42:24 booo Jul 10 19:42:37 I am going to use one of them for my solar powered project.. Jul 10 19:42:47 if you got a keyspan the plastic comes off Jul 10 19:42:56 without having to break anything Jul 10 19:43:00 vaizki i can not think of the manufactuer, but ive talked to peopel who seems to loike those. LCP800's or similar ? Jul 10 19:43:05 kfoltman: http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/LPC81XM.pdf Jul 10 19:43:16 LPC yeah Jul 10 19:43:35 they have pretty freely assignable peripherals Jul 10 19:43:45 vaizki theres the LPC1114 too i think lots of people like Jul 10 19:43:58 plus some in that family have the m0 and m3 core in a chip Jul 10 19:44:00 meaning the chip can have SPI, I2C, UART etc inside and you can freely set which pins those peripherals live on Jul 10 19:44:04 they're easy to program fro mwhat I understand. no need for a proprietary programmer Jul 10 19:44:09 m_billybob: sure, but that's HUGE, like DIP28 :) Jul 10 19:44:20 huge my butt. Jul 10 19:44:23 lol Jul 10 19:44:25 but ok Jul 10 19:44:25 get the QFP Jul 10 19:45:10 I think the idea of a DIP-8 ARM is somehow perverse Jul 10 19:45:13 not much you can do with 8 pins. Jul 10 19:45:22 and yeah two of those will be gone for sure Jul 10 19:45:24 no USB core? *disappointed* Jul 10 19:45:43 get a m3 for that? Jul 10 19:45:56 they are cheap as.. chips.. also Jul 10 19:45:59 or a PIC32 Jul 10 19:46:15 bbiab Jul 10 19:46:20 f00d ! Jul 10 19:46:40 on the DIP-8 you are left with 5 pins after VCC, GND and RESET Jul 10 19:46:56 who need RESET? :P Jul 10 19:46:57 that's enough for I2C and some sensors :) Jul 10 19:47:09 Russ: #DIPallthings Jul 10 19:47:21 real men send RESET via multi-master I2C ;) Jul 10 19:47:32 well you can reassign RESET but then you can't really use the serial bootloader I guess Jul 10 19:47:49 you can power cycle I guess ;) Jul 10 19:48:01 <_Sy_> I made a nice little Iron Man style Arc-Reactor that interfaces to a Pulse heart rate monitor using a PCI18F22K45, you can se the rotation speed of the LED's and pattern with dip switches, the idea being you wear it when you work out and the harder you work out the faster the LED's cycle. Jul 10 19:48:51 <_Sy_> Sorry, I typed, Pulse, I meant Polar. Jul 10 19:49:18 kfoltman: I haven't worked with the chips yet.. but maybe I'll get some LPC1114 instead even though it's huge like I said ;) Jul 10 19:49:58 dumb question: I used dd to create the SD card image. now to flash the emmc, can I use dd if=/aa.img of=/dev/mmblk1 ? Jul 10 19:50:05 <_Sy_> I used an EasyPic v7 from mikroElectronika for prototyping and they're mikroC pro compiler which is a lot cheaper than Microchips own C compiler. Jul 10 19:50:08 they are like 1.5 - 1.8 usd / each in small quantities Jul 10 19:51:10 cheaper, meh, if you can't use gcc with it, it doesn't exist :P Jul 10 19:51:30 Yes, alot of infrastructure command and control still does run on DOS, as it was, and is a RTOs and very code efficient. For enbedded boards it would be very fast and very low overhead. In the "old days" I've run large cities water systems on 385k of code, 500Mb HD, 128M ram and a 286 pent 1 @ 500Mhz, in RT! with graphics and full radio based C3. Now it would take a ver fast machine, tons of mem, 100s of Mb of code. "I don't live in t Jul 10 19:51:52 who pays for a compiler in 2013? Jul 10 19:52:24 apparently _Sy_ does ;) Jul 10 19:52:51 explains a lot... :) Jul 10 19:52:52 DRBOB: but running dosbox on top of linux and additionally emulating x86 instructions on ARM.. you're not RT any more. Jul 10 19:53:02 <_Sy_> I did buy the mikroC compiler...its dongled Jul 10 19:53:13 jeesus Jul 10 19:53:16 oops Jul 10 19:53:23 sorry about the deity Jul 10 19:53:41 <_Sy_> but at only £150 GBP inc. the dev.board thats not much really. Jul 10 19:54:00 vaizki, you could probably emulate it on the PRU :) Jul 10 19:54:03 vaizki_: There is nothing stopping RT-qemu Jul 10 19:54:13 * SpeedEvil falls over giggling. Jul 10 19:54:15 SpeedEvil, besides sanity? Jul 10 19:54:17 :) Jul 10 19:54:34 _Sy_ is based on gcc so they have to make the source availible, but when you actually find it let me know where it is lol Jul 10 19:54:46 they hide it very well Jul 10 19:54:51 _Sy_: 150 gbp... that's like twice my total expense on devboards ;) Jul 10 19:54:51 lets hope the team get x-compiling going today Jul 10 19:55:11 _Sy_: BBB + f3 + f4 + some pic thingy + arduino Jul 10 19:55:17 vaizki: realtime doesn't mean fast Jul 10 19:55:19 well, arduino clone Jul 10 19:55:26 <_Sy_> This is a real dev.board though, lots and lots of toys....I have arduino too, no comparison. Jul 10 19:55:31 anyhow im not going ot bbiab ill bbl Jul 10 19:55:47 jacekowski: I know. it means execution in completely predictable time. Jul 10 19:55:50 well, f3/f4 have some nice toys too - accelerometer, compass, microphone, audio codec, leds, usb... Jul 10 19:56:18 exactly, and emulation is predictable Jul 10 19:56:24 <_Sy_> Also has built in ICD. Jul 10 19:56:38 (well, f4 has accelerometer, microphone and audio codec, and f3 has a compass; both have usb) Jul 10 19:56:50 jacekowski: assuming you run your emulator as a RT process on linux? Jul 10 19:57:37 well, that's the more complicated part, but it's an option Jul 10 19:58:22 <_Sy_> Is there anyway to tell the progress of the flashing of eMMC? Jul 10 20:00:04 _Sy_: debug serial? ;) Jul 10 20:00:17 <_Sy_> :P Jul 10 20:03:29 _Sy_: you are flashing Ã…ngström on it? Jul 10 20:03:34 <_Sy_> yes Jul 10 20:05:34 I guess it'll be done in about 30 mins Jul 10 20:05:55 in the end all 4 leds should stay on Jul 10 20:05:59 how do I write from an .img file to the emmc? Jul 10 20:06:07 vaizki: stop those weird letters! Jul 10 20:06:44 right.. my surname is Väisänen Jul 10 20:06:59 s Jul 10 20:07:15 so they're not so weird, actually they're right here on my kbd ;) Jul 10 20:08:50 mranostay, pth is dead! Jul 10 20:13:55 what.. I disconnecteD? Jul 10 20:14:00 <_Sy_> I'm sure its been well over 45 minutes now and still lots of activity on LED's. Jul 10 20:14:04 vaizki: finnish? Jul 10 20:14:13 yes Jul 10 20:17:11 <_Sy_> Finally, all LED's are on solid, its done :) Jul 10 20:18:07 <_Sy_> ty for assistance, will sign off now Jul 10 20:18:46 so where does the u-boot environment BEFORE uEnv.txt loading come from.. anyone? Jul 10 20:19:27 is it flashed on the BBB outside the eMMC? or in the uboot.img? Jul 10 20:20:13 how can I flash the eMMC from an img file? Jul 10 20:20:25 how did you make the img file? Jul 10 20:20:36 dd frmo my sd card Jul 10 20:20:38 from Jul 10 20:21:15 exact cmd? Jul 10 20:21:55 dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=~/Desktop/aaaa.img bs=1M count=1200 Jul 10 20:22:55 mmcblk0 is the emmc, not the sd card? Jul 10 20:22:56 What's the min baud rate on the BBB uarts? Jul 10 20:23:01 did that on my laptop Jul 10 20:23:56 and why count=1200? Jul 10 20:24:07 why not dump the whole card? Jul 10 20:24:15 to save space Jul 10 20:24:19 Wow, nice deal. £4.40 for a USB hub. Jul 10 20:24:35 powered or passive? Jul 10 20:24:43 gui_: ok so now you have this img file on a usb stick or something? Jul 10 20:24:46 Powered. Jul 10 20:24:51 the boot + fs partitions were < 1GB Jul 10 20:25:18 i have it in my sd card with ubuntu that I am currently running on the BBB Jul 10 20:25:59 I can place the image in a different usb drive if needed Jul 10 20:26:04 ah ok.. and lsblk shows that mmcblk1p2 is mounted as / and mmcblk0p1 and p2 are not mounted? Jul 10 20:26:43 <_av500_> /win 11 Jul 10 20:26:45 they are both mounted Jul 10 20:27:04 Is it mini hdmi on the board? Jul 10 20:27:12 oh I guess ubuntu automatically mounted them? Jul 10 20:27:26 no wait Jul 10 20:27:50 vaizki it shows only mmcblk0 (the SD card) Jul 10 20:28:03 there's no mmcblk1 Jul 10 20:28:08 hmm... Jul 10 20:28:23 on my BBB mmcblk0 is the emmc :O Jul 10 20:28:27 and both 0p1 and 0p2 are mounted Jul 10 20:28:47 that is because you're running from flash, right? Jul 10 20:28:53 i'm running from SD Jul 10 20:29:05 yes I'm running from flash but I can test booting from SD.. Jul 10 20:29:58 and there are these mmcblk0boot0 and boot1 that I don't know what they are Jul 10 20:30:02 mbr? Jul 10 20:30:19 gui_, mmc specific Jul 10 20:31:22 hello to all :) I think the microSDreader on the BBB might have died is there a way to flash the bbb either via USB or USB connection to another computer? Jul 10 20:32:03 i tried dd if=/.../image.img of=/dev/mmcblk1, but it didn't work Jul 10 20:32:39 gui_: hmm, that should work if mmcblk1 is the emmc Jul 10 20:32:49 Why are there no Mini A to A cables on ebay? Jul 10 20:33:16 wait a minute. the sd card isn't pluged o.O Jul 10 20:33:22 maybe... did it work? Jul 10 20:33:58 i'll reboot and see Jul 10 20:34:11 Does mini A even exist???? Jul 10 20:34:43 gui_: :D Jul 10 20:34:46 I'm pretty sure all mini USB are the same Jul 10 20:34:48 WTF???? Jul 10 20:34:50 Argh Jul 10 20:36:20 Nowhere at all! Jul 10 20:36:22 At all. Jul 10 20:36:25 i dunno bout mini a being the same. I have a contorted one for my Sony camera. Jul 10 20:36:41 Or is it mini b? Jul 10 20:36:50 gui_: just booted off uSD, mmcblk0 is the SD card, mmcblk1 is the eMMC now Jul 10 20:36:51 Oh it comes with one. Jul 10 20:36:53 :) Jul 10 20:36:55 vaizki, nope, didn't work Jul 10 20:37:52 ok, now lsblk looks ok: Jul 10 20:38:00 both SD partitions mounted Jul 10 20:38:12 both emmc unmounted Jul 10 20:38:37 and those boot0 boot1 disks belong to emmc, not SD Jul 10 20:39:17 mmcblk1 is emmc now? Jul 10 20:39:30 yes Jul 10 20:39:46 I guess then your dd should work now Jul 10 20:40:32 i mounted both emmc partitions, and they are equal to the image Jul 10 20:40:46 but when I boot, I can't ssh Jul 10 20:40:51 does the IP change? Jul 10 20:41:07 ufff.. you don't have a serial debug cable either? :) Jul 10 20:41:15 nope Jul 10 20:41:30 because the board seems to boo. the LED flashes Jul 10 20:42:19 it could be a gazillion things.. you really need access to the console, otherwise you are just guessing Jul 10 20:42:31 led0 has the heart beat, led2 is blinking quite quickly Jul 10 20:42:32 is anybody familiar with the necessary drivers/modules to install in order to access the SD card and networking? Jul 10 20:42:52 gui_: sounds normal Jul 10 20:42:53 miniA is a mini form of usb host Jul 10 20:43:10 mini B is mini form of usb client Jul 10 20:43:19 normal as in "the boot went fine"? Jul 10 20:43:26 mini AB is both for usb OTG Jul 10 20:43:34 well normal as in kernel is running Jul 10 20:43:40 good Jul 10 20:43:55 led 0 is heartbeat and led2 is cpu activity I think Jul 10 20:43:56 so now I either guess the correct IP or find a serial cable Jul 10 20:44:15 do you have another computer on the same network? Jul 10 20:44:25 if you look at the jack their is slight difference on the A and the B such that they can plug into eachother Jul 10 20:44:26 yes Jul 10 20:44:31 the one I'm trying to ssh from Jul 10 20:44:31 tcpdump port bootpc or port bootps Jul 10 20:44:40 should show you dhcp packets Jul 10 20:45:02 and the AB looks similar to a house cause it accepts both Jul 10 20:45:12 what is the bootpc? Jul 10 20:45:21 bootp client Jul 10 20:45:29 ? Jul 10 20:45:34 i'm newbie Jul 10 20:45:43 ok they are tcp/ip ports Jul 10 20:46:01 same ? as earlier gui do you have the debug serial connected Jul 10 20:46:16 no serial Jul 10 20:46:24 gotta get that working Jul 10 20:46:25 bootpc = 68, bootps = 67 I guess Jul 10 20:46:46 port = 22? Jul 10 20:46:52 ok my alter ego from work joins.. Jul 10 20:46:59 the debug serial is like plugging monitor keyboard and mouse to a PC Jul 10 20:47:06 it's console Jul 10 20:47:28 gui_: as root, type "tcpdump port bootps or bootpc" on the linux box Jul 10 20:47:43 then reboot the BBB and see if you can see the DHCP packets on the linux box Jul 10 20:47:53 press ^C to kill tcpdump when done Jul 10 20:48:03 it's listening, what now? Jul 10 20:48:09 reboot BBB Jul 10 20:48:35 are you listening from a desktop or laptop with wifi Jul 10 20:48:50 (i thought bootps, bootpc, port were variables I should replace by some number, that's why I was confused) Jul 10 20:49:06 no they are just symbolic names for ports Jul 10 20:49:11 ok Jul 10 20:49:28 but there's a problem, it's listening the eth0, but I need wlan0 Jul 10 20:49:30 listed in /etc/services Jul 10 20:49:36 argh Jul 10 20:49:42 wifi .. not good Jul 10 20:49:50 omg plug in your laptop to the router Jul 10 20:50:03 there's no other cable :( Jul 10 20:50:05 and disable wifi for now Jul 10 20:50:17 it's not my stuff, it's university equipment Jul 10 20:50:17 go get one Jul 10 20:50:29 go snatch one Jul 10 20:50:29 if it was mine, i'd have everything :P Jul 10 20:50:37 gui_: you came to the warzone armed with a blunt pencil... :) Jul 10 20:50:46 lol Jul 10 20:51:09 I don't even know what blunt means Jul 10 20:51:16 i'm assume it's a pencil with a broken tip Jul 10 20:51:17 Not sharp. Jul 10 20:51:21 gui_ since you are university Im sure there is a usb serial somewhere Jul 10 20:51:45 jsarman__, sorry to disapoint you :/ Jul 10 20:51:47 but no Jul 10 20:52:04 come on go to the ee lab Jul 10 20:52:14 i AM at the ee lab! Jul 10 20:52:22 :D Jul 10 20:52:31 next thing he says: I AM THE EE LAB. Jul 10 20:52:46 OMG Jul 10 20:52:53 where do you go to college Jul 10 20:53:03 university of illinois apparently Jul 10 20:53:05 UIUC Jul 10 20:53:08 exchange program Jul 10 20:53:09 mental note: never go Jul 10 20:53:11 US Jul 10 20:53:37 i ran a EE lab for years, there better be one somewhere Jul 10 20:53:41 nature calling, brb Jul 10 20:54:05 or you cant call it an EE lab might as wellcall it the compuer lab Jul 10 20:54:20 he took half the channel with him Jul 10 20:55:31 need basic rules. Connect debug serial connect laptops with ethernet Jul 10 20:56:22 i'm back Jul 10 20:56:37 i know his problem hes using the labs network and probably all the machines have MAC assigned Dhcp Jul 10 20:56:50 so, adding -i wlan0 to tdpdump makes it listen to wlan0 Jul 10 20:56:50 are you using the lab network Jul 10 20:57:06 yes Jul 10 20:57:34 so you on on the public campus wifi with PC and plugging the board into the labs vlan Jul 10 20:58:02 and it has listened something from this code which I don't know if it's ipv6 or the mac address Jul 10 20:58:06 if so you will never hear the dhcp Jul 10 20:58:18 no, i'm not on the campus network. it's the lab router Jul 10 20:58:22 you are on two different networks Jul 10 20:58:26 "private router" Jul 10 20:58:36 ok Jul 10 20:58:38 we're in the same, I'm sure Jul 10 20:58:46 I was using a while ago Jul 10 20:59:00 ssh'd when I booted from the SD card Jul 10 20:59:03 cause I remeber the CS guys fought hrd to take that same setup from us Jul 10 20:59:05 but the BBB shouldn't change IP if you boot from eMMC vs uSD Jul 10 20:59:18 and they ultimately won Jul 10 20:59:23 it hs the same MAC address Jul 10 20:59:53 idk.. need to check Jul 10 20:59:54 maybe one has a static ip configured? Jul 10 21:00:00 but if your lab network wont issue you one because it has MAC based ip assignment Jul 10 21:00:19 he was using the BBB when booted from uSD Jul 10 21:00:26 ssh'ing to it Jul 10 21:00:42 so apparently he knows the IP and MAC :) Jul 10 21:00:46 i think its lack of network knowledge Jul 10 21:00:54 but the line is: [time] IP 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255bootps: BOOT/DHCP, Request from [mac?] (oui Unkown), length 300 Jul 10 21:02:36 do you have a ethernet cross cable Jul 10 21:02:41 gui_: you should see a response if the dhcp server gives an IP.. Jul 10 21:02:54 or.. not sure. Jul 10 21:02:59 wifi broadcast Jul 10 21:03:08 i'm booting again from Sd to compare Jul 10 21:03:12 is he listening for udp also Jul 10 21:03:32 tcpdump only Jul 10 21:03:39 i think the dhcp is over udp and tcpdump needs the switch Jul 10 21:03:50 tcpdump listens to both by default Jul 10 21:03:55 ok Jul 10 21:04:34 also, at first I used arp-scan to find the IP when booting from SD Jul 10 21:04:50 it might be that he won't see the response Jul 10 21:04:58 but when I boot from flash, one of the devices goes away Jul 10 21:05:04 gui, ok wtf.. get a serial cable ;) Jul 10 21:05:09 hahah Jul 10 21:05:12 i'll try that Jul 10 21:05:20 (keep screaming for it) Jul 10 21:05:38 or get a second BBB Jul 10 21:06:03 there exists an ftdi board or similar in your lab Jul 10 21:06:24 it may be in some eval kit stashed in a closet but it is there Jul 10 21:07:14 my EE lab we had circuits eval boards you name it all over the place Jul 10 21:09:37 oh and digikey bags everywhere. Jul 10 21:11:55 look.. I'm at a LOG CABIN in the finnish archipelago on AN ISLAND with power from solar panel batteries and there was a USB-TTL adapter here. Jul 10 21:12:10 LOLOLOL Jul 10 21:12:14 ok ok so I left it here 2 months ago but ... ;) Jul 10 21:13:03 earlier I went into my garage to see how fast I could find one that I forgot about to see and it took me 10 seconds Jul 10 21:13:11 hi Jul 10 21:13:17 but I guess it's time for me to stop burning the batteries with this inverter and sleep Jul 10 21:13:56 it was a usb to rs485 from sparkfun with an ftdi and guess what it had 4 holes at .1 spacing with Vcc RX TX GND Jul 10 21:13:57 has anyone had a problem with assigning IP to beagleboard xm ? Jul 10 21:14:18 to bypass the rs485 Jul 10 21:14:32 i mean it assigns IP out of range should be 192... but it is 164. etc... Jul 10 21:14:39 rabar are you connected with debug serial Jul 10 21:14:46 serial Jul 10 21:14:49 question of the day! Jul 10 21:15:04 so you can actually get a shell Jul 10 21:15:11 yep Jul 10 21:15:14 OMG Jul 10 21:15:14 woo! Jul 10 21:15:17 finally Jul 10 21:15:36 amazing indeed. Jul 10 21:15:38 you are getting the auto assigned i gues Jul 10 21:15:40 s Jul 10 21:15:46 yes Jul 10 21:15:53 set a static IP and move on Jul 10 21:16:21 would be great Jul 10 21:16:28 well do it Jul 10 21:16:29 if i had internet acces then Jul 10 21:16:49 i can ping router and my pc but can't go any further Jul 10 21:16:56 if set static ip Jul 10 21:17:05 and have no access to router conf Jul 10 21:17:09 since i usually make mine ubuntu I just edit /etc/network/interface Jul 10 21:17:18 you are root Jul 10 21:17:24 you can do what you want Jul 10 21:17:47 just pick a valid address that doesnt conflict and set it Jul 10 21:18:10 run forrest run! Jul 10 21:18:16 lol Jul 10 21:18:16 but in my network is also a router that i cannot modify, Jul 10 21:18:31 you do not have to mess with the router Jul 10 21:18:52 is the beagleboard your router Jul 10 21:18:53 but when i set static ip on bb i dont have internet access Jul 10 21:18:55 no Jul 10 21:18:58 NO Jul 10 21:19:09 you have to set /etc/resolv.conf Jul 10 21:19:17 to your nameserver ipaddress Jul 10 21:19:28 or just use google's, 8.8.8.8 Jul 10 21:19:37 or that Jul 10 21:19:58 I'm sure 8.8.8.8 will be hard coded on about 100 million chinese routers etc before year's end Jul 10 21:20:09 i will try :) Jul 10 21:20:21 so echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 >> /etc/resolv.conf Jul 10 21:20:34 I even appended Jul 10 21:20:42 slick Jul 10 21:20:53 black belt engineering Jul 10 21:21:12 networking 101 Jul 10 21:21:18 ok I'm done for tonight, sleep& Jul 10 21:21:24 night Jul 10 21:21:48 rabar do ls /etc/network Jul 10 21:21:56 ls /etc/network Jul 10 21:22:04 is there files listed Jul 10 21:22:15 if-down.d if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d if-up.d interfaces Jul 10 21:22:40 cat /etc/network/interfaces Jul 10 21:23:18 paste the output Jul 10 21:23:46 http://pastebin.com/muGFr08p Jul 10 21:24:09 just use eth0 Jul 10 21:24:42 so you already have a static ip Jul 10 21:24:47 i did Jul 10 21:24:52 ifcoonfig Jul 10 21:24:57 ifconfig Jul 10 21:25:06 hold on! i'm buildin my own serial cable! Jul 10 21:25:08 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 8A:C4:3D:11:50:10 inet addr:192.168.1.55 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::88c4:3dff:fe11:5010/64 Scope:L Jul 10 21:25:18 THANK YOU gui_ Jul 10 21:25:45 but still cant get access even with dns server added Jul 10 21:25:47 I welcome you and myself aswell Jul 10 21:25:49 you need the 3.3V to RS232 or usb serial ic Jul 10 21:25:56 need to find the serial pin diagram now, brb Jul 10 21:26:02 i got it Jul 10 21:26:05 1 gnd Jul 10 21:26:17 oh, cool Jul 10 21:26:18 thanks Jul 10 21:26:46 4 RX 5 TX Jul 10 21:26:55 thanks Jul 10 21:26:59 i use angstrom with 3.28 and externally modprobed netowrok module smsc95xx Jul 10 21:27:03 left to right? Jul 10 21:27:18 when looking with the ethernet to the right? Jul 10 21:27:21 so ifconfig Jul 10 21:27:30 ifconfig eth0 Jul 10 21:28:18 http://pastebin.com/X3dw9hR7 Jul 10 21:28:22 should show inet addr 192.168.1.55 Jul 10 21:28:33 it does Jul 10 21:28:54 ping 8.8.8.8 Jul 10 21:29:41 no response Jul 10 21:30:02 are you own windows or linux on the pc Jul 10 21:30:09 linux Jul 10 21:33:50 ok so ifconfig on you linux whats your ip Jul 10 21:34:34 acutally i did ifdown and ifup and now its pinging 8.8.8.8 Jul 10 21:34:43 there you go Jul 10 21:34:50 gonna do reboot and see if its permanent Jul 10 21:34:59 ok Jul 10 21:35:13 but you have to set /etc/resolv.conf as well Jul 10 21:35:36 yes, thanks for support !! Jul 10 21:35:37 so names can be resolved into addresses Jul 10 21:35:58 id recommend getting your dns address but the 8.8.8.8 Jul 10 21:36:01 will work Jul 10 21:36:15 bbl Jul 10 21:36:47 anything wrong with this for a BBB terminal http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-Q88-7-Android-4-0-ICS-Tablet-PC-8GB-Capacitive-A13-1-2GHz-WiFi-White/230983936965?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item35c7b72bc5 Jul 10 21:39:07 sily question, where is the best place to add scripts that starts user's soft soon after X env starts ? Jul 10 21:39:11 rc.d ? Jul 10 21:40:43 xsession, probably, or the autostart/config for the window manager. Jul 10 21:42:37 anyone used usb g_serial with the beaglebone black? Jul 10 21:42:46 especially with a busybox crafted ramdisk ? Jul 10 21:48:23 pause everyone please Jul 10 21:48:28 YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY! Jul 10 21:48:32 ok, back to normal Jul 10 21:49:31 jsarman__, vaizki, got it working with the serial cable! Jul 10 21:50:08 i went normal once Jul 10 21:50:46 dude you went normal Jul 10 21:50:52 never go normal dude Jul 10 21:50:59 it wasn't pleasant Jul 10 21:51:04 what generaly do you do with your beagles ? Jul 10 21:51:10 play fetch Jul 10 21:51:16 badatum ts Jul 10 21:51:37 you can to hobbist stuff Jul 10 21:51:45 do* Jul 10 21:52:01 ok, but what particulary do you work on Jul 10 21:52:04 just for curosity Jul 10 21:52:16 well, i'm just learning at the moment Jul 10 21:52:23 started less then 2 weeks ago Jul 10 21:52:58 why is my BBB taking more than 2 minutes to boot from emmc? Jul 10 21:54:37 my bb first time took 30 min :) Jul 10 21:54:52 probably because it was flashing the emmc Jul 10 21:55:04 just happens once Jul 10 21:55:48 it's because of my SPI-enabling DT files :/ Jul 10 21:57:06 gui_: that is for the NSA right? Jul 10 21:57:56 what part exactly? Jul 10 22:03:05 the SPI'ing Jul 10 22:04:18 finnaly after creating script always after reboot Internet is working Jul 10 22:04:49 mranostay was that a joke with SPY? Jul 10 22:05:58 is google.com down ? Jul 10 22:07:17 how dare you think of that? Jul 10 22:07:51 502. That’s an error. Jul 10 22:07:53 but no, it's not down Jul 10 22:08:37 no its ok Jul 10 22:08:42 how do I disable HDMI on the BBB? Jul 10 22:08:55 it's conflicting with the SPI ports Jul 10 22:09:25 in u-boot you configure display Jul 10 22:09:49 yes, but I don't know what codes to disable Jul 10 22:09:57 but nevermind, I think I got them Jul 10 22:10:02 but i think pinmux might be changed Jul 10 22:11:15 BB-BONELT-HDMI and BB-BONELT-HDMIN Jul 10 22:11:17 let's try Jul 10 22:18:31 i guess disabling BB-BONE-EMMC-2G was not a good idea Jul 10 22:27:31 I might actuallyy use the bbb as a board for a high altitide balloon flight. Jul 10 22:32:12 time to leave and go play soccer Jul 10 22:32:26 have a nice [period of day] everyone! Jul 10 22:34:51 does anyone know about BBB SD/MMC modules? Jul 10 22:35:38 Do I need to have a micro sd card in order to flash and os? Jul 10 22:35:44 *and Jul 10 22:35:47 *an Jul 10 22:36:43 yes Jul 10 23:08:52 quit Jul 10 23:08:58 \quit Jul 11 00:54:45 anyone running a 3.9 kernel yet on the bbb? Jul 11 01:03:48 R2E4: are you here Jul 11 01:30:36 wow already 6:30 pm Jul 11 01:38:21 you mean 9:30pm ;) Jul 11 01:49:49 [18:38] you mean 9:30pm ;) Jul 11 01:50:16 I guess as they say that time *is* relative ;) Jul 11 02:02:31 heh Jul 11 02:03:16 just being an east coast ass ;) Jul 11 02:03:44 Hullo beagle boners! Jul 11 02:14:23 wmat: hey canuck :) Jul 11 02:14:51 mranostay: evening portlandian Jul 11 02:15:09 * mranostay adds to the weirdness index Jul 11 02:17:42 quiet in here tonight Jul 11 02:18:06 mranostay what ? did you play another emergency Friday card or something ? Jul 11 02:21:58 m_billybob: portland weirdness Jul 11 02:22:13 davest also adds to the index Jul 11 02:22:40 ah well maybe everyone is tuckered out fro mthe "newb" influx today also ? Jul 11 02:23:16 i feed on that Jul 11 02:23:18 :) Jul 11 02:25:11 I like seeing more people using the bbb Jul 11 02:26:35 that too until someone mentions DOS :) Jul 11 02:26:44 lol Jul 11 02:38:44 mranostay, though turning the bbb into a MAME system might be pretty cool. Wonder if it could handle it well Jul 11 02:39:04 no way in telling really until the SGX drivers are there and solid Jul 11 02:49:02 I know someone who did a mame machine with his RPi ... he had a PC-based mame arcade machine in there before so this was a replacement of the HW for him Jul 11 02:49:39 would be a pretty coold project. Although i dont know much about MAME on Linux Jul 11 02:50:02 it runs Jul 11 02:50:07 it's an X11 app I guess Jul 11 02:50:30 Spirilis, for what its worth though wulf being a retro arcade fanatic, he has just about every ROM out there Jul 11 02:50:50 and many that dont exist for others Jul 11 02:51:04 nice Jul 11 02:51:18 yeah shit you guys might have to pioneer that one :) Jul 11 02:51:22 mame arcade machine with bbb Jul 11 02:51:34 lol atsome point perhaps Jul 11 02:51:39 it would be fun Jul 11 02:53:11 Definately going ot have to wait for SGX drivers though, for ogl support Jul 11 02:54:09 some of those games dont even run well on x86 hardware with mucb hfaster processors and tons more RAM **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 11 02:59:58 2013