**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 16 02:59:58 2013 Jul 16 04:01:16 Hello Jul 16 04:15:27 Boneboggled: howdy Jul 16 04:59:23 hi Jul 16 04:59:49 * mranostay burns Jul 16 05:00:31 i own an electric moped that i am reverse engineering. i'm thinking of using a beaglebone board as a motor controller, battery management system, and as a relay for the signal lights Jul 16 05:00:48 is that reasonable, or too much for the board? Jul 16 05:04:46 not too much but what is wrong with the moped as it is? :) Jul 16 05:23:05 * mranostay dances in Jul 16 05:34:50 hi joel_ ! Jul 16 06:12:37 a wonderfull, good morning everyone! Jul 16 06:15:38 ashes: In principle, it's not impossible. Jul 16 06:16:25 ashes: I would however not do it without some form of backup on the battery managment - as explosions are bad. Jul 16 06:16:34 ashes: What do you mean by battery managment? Jul 16 06:17:19 SpeedEvil: why do all the baloon guys use ublox gps modules? is because they are the only ones without altitude restriction? Jul 16 06:17:22 And do you mean implementing a three phase motor controller, or setting up a PWM drive for an existing one. Jul 16 06:18:11 KotH: They are not the only ones. However, low power is another factor, the current trend for at least many is towards very small batteries. As in a day on an AAA cell. Jul 16 06:18:51 oki, thanks Jul 16 06:40:37 KotH: no jiha? Jul 16 06:40:45 *jihad even Jul 16 07:09:46 mranostay: you didnt have any beer this night, so i guess it's just fair that i dont have any jihad this morning Jul 16 07:11:42 .oO( there must be some NSA trolling going on here... ) Jul 16 07:12:19 JIHAD! Jul 16 07:13:11 us? trolling the nsa? NEVAR! Jul 16 07:16:56 so, the serial ports on the BBBlack are on ttyO0-4. what are all those other tty entries? Jul 16 07:19:12 flufmnstr: not enabled Jul 16 07:19:20 those are muxed and et Jul 16 07:19:23 *etc Jul 16 07:19:54 yeah. im still trying to figure out this muxing business at the moment Jul 16 07:20:27 i was just wondering what(if anything) those other ones were tied to Jul 16 07:21:25 have you offered a big bar of swiss chocolate to DCT and a bottle of fine german beer to mranostay? Jul 16 07:21:59 not? Jul 16 07:22:11 do you see where your problem is? :) Jul 16 07:30:11 does anyone tried to make something like google glass with bbb Jul 16 07:30:18 i mean a clone\ Jul 16 07:30:29 the nsa? Jul 16 07:30:36 yea Jul 16 07:36:54 ... lonely Jul 16 07:43:32 why do you feel lonely? Jul 16 07:43:51 ronery even? Jul 16 07:45:23 thinking of some nice google glass Jul 16 07:45:47 late for the party... Jul 16 07:46:41 .o0(first world problems) Jul 16 07:47:12 LOL Jul 16 08:11:43 away for a while Jul 16 08:13:32 morning everyone, I'm trying to compile a new u-boot (not for beaglebone) and I hit the following compile errors and I don't know how to fix them or what they're caused by; does anyone have any suggestions on where to start tackling this? Jul 16 08:13:34 http://pastebin.com/frFS0d7q Jul 16 08:18:56 jackmitchell: rebuilt that toolchain from sstate? Jul 16 08:19:03 if so, -c cleansstate gcc-cross Jul 16 08:19:10 and rebuild it Jul 16 08:19:16 that seems to fix that issue for me Jul 16 08:21:33 koen: ah koen, you genius Jul 16 08:21:40 makes complete sense Jul 16 08:22:08 I've just fired an email off to the oe-core mailing list asking for further advise so will follow up if it works Jul 16 08:23:34 jackmitchell: not 'genius', more 'wasted weeks tracking that down' Jul 16 08:24:38 I talked to RP and khem about it and they fixed a number of bugs, but I think it's still there in oe-core/master Jul 16 08:25:20 I can only trigger it with u-boot FWIW Jul 16 08:26:25 koen: ok, well good to know I wasn't going bonkers Jul 16 08:26:48 jackmitchell: http://xkcd.com/979/ Jul 16 08:27:33 koen: :D Jul 16 08:28:13 my u-boot problems usually turn up IRC logs from 2005 of me swearing at the error message Jul 16 08:28:37 * koen stabs uboot 1.x some more Jul 16 08:30:55 * XorA laughs Jul 16 08:32:45 heh Jul 16 08:33:42 koen: XorA : once solved u-boot issues you have yet the devicetree compiler fun ;) Jul 16 08:35:36 ant_work: ACPI compiler is much more stable :-D Jul 16 08:36:08 just use lilo :P Jul 16 08:37:03 lilo still gives me nightmares, worst bootloader ever Jul 16 08:38:35 kexecboot rules all ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZmNKNWpeIc Jul 16 08:39:01 unbelievebely we are still receiving feedback after years... Jul 16 08:39:08 * XorA used to use the NT bootloader to load linux Jul 16 08:39:31 ant_work: there are still people desperate to get the Z machines usable :-) Jul 16 08:43:17 XorA: btw http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/6A8vKLRaTD-aBF5637YlcQ Jul 16 08:45:52 * ant_work back trying to fix struct ucb1x00_driver Jul 16 08:54:01 has anyone used the SD card for data? How do I mount it? Jul 16 08:54:45 * ogra_ recommends the mount command Jul 16 08:55:53 I dont see the card when I insert it so what do i mount? Jul 16 08:56:10 i dont see anything in /dev Jul 16 09:12:27 Pete_: I guess you have a BBB? Jul 16 09:12:46 Pete_: the card is currently not detected if inserted after boot. Jul 16 09:13:21 Pete_: on the other hand the default uenv.txt will prevent the board from booting if a card is inserted Jul 16 09:13:30 for the latter there are workarounds Jul 16 09:27:35 I'm building the kernel from the github repo for 3.8 and the instructions don't make any reference to a LOADADDR but do reference an arch/arm/configs/beaglebone which isn't provided anymore. Jul 16 09:28:32 I've matched up the loadaddr with the ${kloadaddr} of 0x80007fc0 which my bone has in its uenv.txt and did a make omap2plus_defconfig. That'll work right? :-/ Jul 16 09:33:52 exosyst: you must be reading the instructions wrong Jul 16 09:34:22 exosyst: git clone kernel, git checkout 3.8, ./patch.sh, cp configs kernel/.config Jul 16 09:34:35 is almost the exact steps Jul 16 09:35:33 it's all there on the github page... Jul 16 09:37:20 jackmitchell, Hmm... but the multitude of XX_defconfig stuff was supposed to be done with? Jul 16 09:37:34 ? Jul 16 09:39:09 exosyst: what github page are you looking at? Jul 16 09:41:10 jackmitchell, so will that beaglebone config be going mainline at some point? I thought the new way was generic platform config and the rest was sorted out in device tree? Jul 16 09:41:43 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.8: http://git.io/WZD0UA Jul 16 09:41:43 kernel/3.8 5b570d7 Koen Kooi: 3.8: implement PRU based PWM... Jul 16 09:42:19 Are there any specs with regards to write endurance on the eMMC, as well as operating temperature ratings, for the BBB? Jul 16 09:42:38 jackmitchell, I get lots of sad looking warnings using that config - http://pastebin.com/hMQP8MFh Jul 16 09:42:42 exosyst: it's not quite there yet; there is still a lot of missing support in mainline Jul 16 09:43:05 exosyst: I wouldn't worry about those warnings Jul 16 09:43:45 eventually, a generic defconfig should be able to _boot_ the beaglebone, but probably not much else Jul 16 09:44:04 you will still need cusom configs to get extra features Jul 16 09:47:35 That's unfortunate. So if I want to create a tarball for my students to use - should I just grab the latest known working kernel archive and replicate the instructions on github to copy the config in and work with that? Jul 16 09:48:30 Obviously I can't expect 12 students to perform a nice bit git pull of the kernel and then add some hacks to it Jul 16 09:49:11 if you want an easy solution I would clone the git, run patch.sh, copy the defconfig into the kernel directory, and then tar that Jul 16 09:49:33 you then have a "standard" kernel tree with pre-loaded config Jul 16 09:50:39 Yeah that's probably easiest - just happily wax over the whole "not quite mainline" thing :D Jul 16 09:51:30 jackmitchell, So the kernel it generates is about 4.09MB and has a start address of 0x80008000 - sound about right? Jul 16 09:51:50 exosyst: yeah, you can build and boot mainline at the moment, but only boot over nfs, as the mcc driver hasn't made it in yet Jul 16 09:51:59 exosyst: that sounds about right Jul 16 09:52:54 yeah, I tried that before - it got quite sad trying to start the MMC - I'll use this and hopefully the support will get merged soon. Are there any ideas on when? Jul 16 09:53:04 And is there a beagle-announce for this sort of thing? Jul 16 09:53:05 hopefully 3.12 Jul 16 09:53:25 beagle-announce === linux-omap pretty much Jul 16 09:53:37 you just have to watch the listsd Jul 16 10:03:06 i subscribed - let's see how that works out Jul 16 11:37:40 Hi guys Jul 16 11:37:48 and girls Jul 16 11:37:50 ;-) Jul 16 11:39:33 ahem Jul 16 11:39:41 and us others Andi___? Jul 16 11:39:45 you pig Jul 16 11:45:32 im sorry, humans Jul 16 11:45:38 what about the trolls? Jul 16 11:45:47 ;( Jul 16 11:45:58 lets get back to beagleboard... Jul 16 11:46:08 but that's so on-topic Jul 16 11:46:17 especially BoneScript.js, anybody has some experiene on this? Jul 16 11:46:35 some do Jul 16 11:57:28 Andi___: maybe specific questions will get an answer Jul 16 11:59:22 Right: i searched the BoneScript.js site and havent found a list of not supported features. Is there such a list, like: you cant do that with BoneScript but with "native" C, Python whatever Jul 16 12:00:22 probably simply everything is supported :) Jul 16 12:00:27 or nothing Jul 16 12:00:41 depending on level of support required Jul 16 12:04:50 OK, yocto SDK bug fixed - i'm still on my quest to get S2 on the BBB to generate an interrupt I can get in userspace. So looking at the SRM it looks like I need to disable HDMI stuff. Is this from device tree or are there bootargs to toy with too? Jul 16 12:05:11 Also - doesn't Koens image flasher use that pin anyway so it can't be a big secret right? :D Jul 16 12:05:55 optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI hasn't helped :-/ Jul 16 12:07:29 exosyst: have you pinmuxed the pin to and input? Can you see the state change from 0 to 1? Jul 16 12:07:35 an* Jul 16 12:08:37 I've not done anything with pinmux at the moment - I figure I have to get it into mode 7 in the DTS and then I should be able to gpio_request_irq() and go from there? I'm new to the of_XXX family of stuff so this is proving a long winded process Jul 16 12:09:26 exosyst: yeah, its not as bad as it seems at first so just stick with it. Jul 16 12:10:23 georgem, is there any good sample code on following it through from DT through to a loadable module? I was gonna try and pull apart the leds drive to see how that works to get and drive something from DT but can't see any interrupt grabbing stuff? Jul 16 12:11:20 exosyst: yeah, I found one pretty good example a few months ago. let me try to remember what it was... Jul 16 12:13:07 georgem, You star! Jul 16 12:16:01 When I get this stuff working I'm gonna have to write a nice big blog about it as it doesn't seem like there's anything definitive out there - lots of sources and lots of noise Jul 16 12:18:34 exosyst: No there isn't anything that great out there. I probably should have written something up but I just never got around to it Jul 16 12:18:35 https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/blob/3.8/patches/crypto/0021-crypto-omap-sham-Add-Device-Tree-Support.patch Jul 16 12:18:54 If you look at that patch it adds DT support to an existing driver Jul 16 12:21:00 It gets the irq from DT, etc Jul 16 12:27:24 * panto boggles on the different ways people manage to mess up even simple echo commands in the beaglelist Jul 16 12:30:39 panto, it's easy to do if it doesn't make sense what it's doing. Imagine trying to write down french as a non-french speaking speaker without context and understanding the rationale/nuances of the why Jul 16 12:31:36 I'm just amazed how someone could screw up an echo command Jul 16 12:31:36 sounds like a recipe for disaster Jul 16 12:32:54 yeah... now imagine trying to support someone using one of your products in the field. Try instructing a technician over a bad cell call to run a shell command. That'll really ruin you're day. Jul 16 12:33:22 been there done that Jul 16 12:33:59 now imagine said technician being a member of that state run PTT Jul 16 12:34:06 argh u-boot + oe-core toolchain = the devil Jul 16 12:34:40 * jackmitchell is feeling particularly stupid today Jul 16 12:34:47 exosyst: you need to disabel both the hdmi and hdmi-noaudio virtual capes Jul 16 12:35:07 jackmitchell: tried using the meta-linaro toolchain for arm builds yet Jul 16 12:35:15 koen, How's that done sunshine? Jul 16 12:35:18 koen: I'm no masochist Jul 16 12:35:56 panto: yeah, been there with technicians from government run utilities Jul 16 12:36:44 sometimes I envied them for being so ignorant and so safe at their job Jul 16 12:39:07 Just wondering, how can I make my BBB accessible from outside my home nbetwork. Jul 16 12:39:09 exosyst: same way you disable the othercape, you can comma seperate them Jul 16 12:47:52 panto: I know what you mean... Imagine if you had the luxury of being able to pick up the phone and call someone to fix all of your problems. Reminds me of this though :) http://www.despair.com/elitism.html Jul 16 12:48:24 hehe Jul 16 13:04:21 panto, perhaps the #exactsteps are not so exact. I recommend another 24 hours of making them more exact Jul 16 13:21:14 24 hours of exactsteps? Audi will just win, it won't be as much fun or excitement as it sounds like. Jul 16 13:21:44 maybe next year peugeot will come again Jul 16 13:26:11 yes, Le Steps Jul 16 13:28:06 Les Démarche! Jul 16 13:28:29 * mdp stabs KotH to start JIHAD! Jul 16 13:28:53 * KotH parries, and nukes mdp from orbit Jul 16 13:29:07 electronic surveillance fundamentalist BRLO embassy Osama Qaddafi corporate security S Box clandestine rs9512c Ft. Meade crypto anarchy CID EuroFed Adriatic Jul 16 13:29:36 hehe...nsa fodder Jul 16 13:29:57 what is the best way to send a git commit as a patch attached to an email? Jul 16 13:30:00 anyone here can help configure my Beaglebone weather cape trigger and IED at 30 000 feet? Jul 16 13:30:06 that used to be in everybody's Usenet .sig..back in the day Jul 16 13:30:07 exact steps please! Jul 16 13:30:20 lol Jul 16 13:30:39 that high, that will be quite many steps... Jul 16 13:30:45 jackmitchell, git format-patch ... then attach it Jul 16 13:31:06 ok, so it's best to attach it as a patch and send, rather than --compose? Jul 16 13:31:34 well, if you really mean _attach_ that's how I've done it with corporate mail Jul 16 13:32:05 I'm trying to post an RFC to the u-boot list, but I want to add some description fodder and I don't know the best way to do it../ Jul 16 13:32:05 Hi all Jul 16 13:32:24 oh, good grief, jackmitchell, please don't _attach_ !!! Jul 16 13:32:37 git format-patch then git send-email Jul 16 13:33:17 mdp: I thought that might be the case ;) I'll try and figure out the workflow Jul 16 13:33:27 jackmitchell, my notes from sending patches to u-boot: https://gist.github.com/bradfa/3812485 Jul 16 13:33:28 jackmitchell, do you want a cover letter that is sent separately? Jul 16 13:33:50 it's only a small patch, so a cover letter seems a bit excessive Jul 16 13:34:02 it *is* ok to write an epic in the commit log Jul 16 13:34:22 I just want to do a bit of explaining in the email that's all Jul 16 13:34:49 Subject: Uncertainty Over Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle Jul 16 13:34:53 yeah, either format-patch --cover-letter or send-email --compose gets the separate mail Jul 16 13:35:01 * KotH suddenly feels uncertain about quantum physics Jul 16 13:35:29 so...you can always put additional info below the signed-off-by areas that ends up in the mail but wouldn't get picked up in the log Jul 16 13:35:38 ok, I'm going to stick with compose and pre-test it to myself ;) Jul 16 13:35:54 always good measure Jul 16 13:37:12 jackmitchell, to be clear, you just put your additional info below the "---" line and it won't be picked up in the log Jul 16 13:38:08 that's how the changelog and diffstat are ignored in the common case. you can write your epic there Jul 16 13:38:09 mdp: yeah, I've used that technique before for stating changes between versions, but I'm not sure it's very clear for an explanation of how I came about to making the patch Jul 16 13:38:27 it's either that...or a cover letter ;) Jul 16 13:38:40 or epic in the commit log portion Jul 16 13:39:18 hi, I am having some issues booting my bb-xm after long time not using it, anybody could help me please? Jul 16 13:39:20 I think cover letter it is then Jul 16 13:40:41 using just the power button the boot process doesn't work (because of course the xm doesn't have nand) while using power+boot it blocks immediately without even trying to boot (I get some random unreadable characters on serial) Jul 16 14:23:52 https://github.com/mame/quine-relay Jul 16 14:29:12 koen, so what would that make the bootargs? optargs=capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB_BONELT-HDMI-NOAUDIO ? Jul 16 14:29:38 if BB_BONELT-HDMI-NOAUDIO is the actual partnumber, yes Jul 16 14:29:41 exosyst, the second one is not existant Jul 16 14:29:52 HDMIN Jul 16 14:30:31 where do those names come from? Is it from the DT? As there's a BB-BONELT-HDMIN but it says "(has no audio)" on the description in the dts? Jul 16 14:30:55 they come from the base dts Jul 16 14:31:15 arch/arm/boot/dts/am335x-boneblack.dts am33xx-bone-common.dtsi ... Jul 16 14:31:34 panto, koen OK, so I need to disable the HDMI audio that has a note saying "but no audio" - brilliant ;) Jul 16 14:32:00 panto, cheers - i've got that open, I didn't know that was the source of the names to disable Jul 16 14:32:01 you need to disable all the automatic loading HDMI hogging capes Jul 16 14:32:17 what you do after that, it's your business Jul 16 14:32:30 panto, Here lies dragons huh :) Jul 16 14:32:36 yep Jul 16 14:32:44 enjoy Jul 16 14:34:22 So from my understanding, disable loading those - add an entry to the am33xx_pinmux for S2 so I can set it as a mode7 input and then I should be able to just gpio_request_one() and gpio_get_irq()? Makes it seem so easy :D Jul 16 14:37:13 hi all! got yesterday my BBB and i've searched for info on how to do this and can't really find a solution... I need to connect Android phone to BBB and get data from it. I tought on SSH from phone to BBB but... how do I do it? Jul 16 14:38:06 i saw the devrules used in linux to access the beaglebone via serial miniusb Jul 16 14:38:07 centraldetaxis: install ssh on your phone would be the first thing I would do Jul 16 14:38:27 yes... i'm using connectbot Jul 16 14:39:04 tried to put in the ip that BBB has on ethernet and no go... Jul 16 14:39:19 need some ssh client that can support it thru serial? Jul 16 14:41:08 what should serial have to do with ssh? Jul 16 14:41:31 ssh ssh ssh ssh ssh ssh ssh ssh Jul 16 14:41:35 serial ssh :) Jul 16 14:41:35 tought also in developing a webservice on BBB to gather all the info and get it on the phone thru post/get but at this point a bit clueless about the way to integrate it Jul 16 14:41:57 *cough* JavaScript *cough* Jul 16 14:42:53 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/105 Jul 16 14:43:24 centraldetaxis: connectbot is a client Jul 16 14:43:33 You need an ssh server on your phone Jul 16 14:43:44 ssh server on phone, what for? Jul 16 14:44:22 for security indeed Jul 16 14:44:49 if possible the idea was to connect the phone to BBB... this BBB is to be inside a car and drivers can attach and detach their phone from BBB but still get data Jul 16 14:45:37 mru: eheheheheheh Jul 16 14:45:52 Why not just use USB Jul 16 14:46:11 one does not simply _use_ usb Jul 16 14:46:43 one can fight usb Jul 16 14:46:50 and ultimately surrender to it Jul 16 14:47:19 when i plug in phone to BBB it's created some /dev/ttyUSB(something)... i really can see it... Jul 16 14:47:30 meant...CANT Jul 16 14:47:44 * KotH conquered usb, once Jul 16 14:48:08 KotH: that's what it let you believe Jul 16 14:48:31 the usb device is what you use Jul 16 14:48:42 centraldetaxis: it could be equally well an ttyACMx Jul 16 14:48:48 centraldetaxis: check syslog Jul 16 14:49:05 on BBB? or phone? Jul 16 14:49:21 on linux Jul 16 14:49:31 where ever that is running Jul 16 14:49:51 mru: does that mean, i'm a true believer? Jul 16 14:50:07 KotH: I doubt there's anything true about you Jul 16 14:51:18 mru: i'm quite sure, that the fact of my existance is true Jul 16 14:51:29 I'm not Jul 16 14:51:40 I'd say it's about 50/50 Jul 16 14:51:45 mru: and "in choco veritas" Jul 16 14:51:56 which is actually pretty good odds Jul 16 14:52:01 mru: and as i always have a certain amount of chocolate in my body.... ;) Jul 16 14:52:50 something like this could work? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6928306/android-usb-host-to-serial-connection Jul 16 14:53:33 * KotH doesnt know what centraldetaxis is doing, so cannot answer that question Jul 16 14:53:40 * KotH munches some chocolate instead Jul 16 14:55:59 centraldetaxis: is your phone android Jul 16 14:56:13 EasyAT: yes.. Jul 16 14:57:09 centraldetaxis: please keep in mind: http://m.xkcd.com/456/ Jul 16 14:58:26 yes... a lot of digging... Jul 16 14:59:37 centraldetaxis: Why not get the linux drivers and cross compile them if necessary and just mount the phone Jul 16 15:00:28 s/linux drivers/USB drivers for your phone Jul 16 15:03:43 compile it on the BBB? Jul 16 15:04:08 Or cross compile Jul 16 15:04:14 sorry for the dumb question but i'm at this for so many hours... that can think right Jul 16 15:04:53 Look your device up. There might be linux drivers or it might even work out of the box Jul 16 15:06:44 Crofton|work: give me a ping when you have time, i need to pick your brain on a spectrum analyzer Jul 16 15:08:04 das_plague: Crofton|work is in italy, try offering some pizza Jul 16 15:08:52 koen: ahh Jul 16 15:13:00 i've found this ... http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=24348 Jul 16 15:13:15 which is exactly what i've wanted... Jul 16 15:13:23 but on a BBB... Jul 16 15:15:43 you can do the same Jul 16 15:15:52 it's still a linux you are running on a bbb Jul 16 15:17:06 hummmm...something strange... Jul 16 15:18:14 if I put the SD card with lastest version of Armstrong... and boot it... doesn't even report as charging or USB connected... Jul 16 15:19:28 I don't think the USB interface is powered on BBB Jul 16 15:20:07 if I take out the card... and use the "original" version that came with BBB it charges the phone and give me the option of connect USB Jul 16 15:20:35 centraldetaxis: it's angström, like the scientist, not armstrong like the drug addict Jul 16 15:21:27 centraldetaxis: do you use the bbb version of angström?$ Jul 16 15:21:34 KotH: yes Jul 16 15:21:38 shouldn't? Jul 16 15:21:42 centraldetaxis: have you checked the dt? Jul 16 15:22:08 i really don't need anything else besides access to hardware and command line linux Jul 16 15:22:38 KotH: dt? Jul 16 15:22:42 yes, we only need to fix this little thing as world hunger and make everyone happy, so there will be no war anymore Jul 16 15:22:47 device tree Jul 16 15:23:06 centraldetaxis: your pinmux has to be correct Jul 16 15:23:20 centraldetaxis: check the schematic too Jul 16 15:23:30 centraldetaxis: also check the voltages at the connectors Jul 16 15:27:31 ok...power checked OK with original and the sd card... Jul 16 15:27:38 4.77v Jul 16 16:15:57 hallo! Jul 16 16:23:28 does anyone know why this .dts could be conflicting with eMMC? http://pastebin.com/VHmDcvWH Jul 16 16:40:07 centraldetaxis: that would mean that the device is not enumerated for some reason Jul 16 16:40:25 centraldetaxis: to check for this, use a beagle480 Jul 16 16:54:55 hey Jul 16 16:57:25 <_SY_> hello Jul 16 16:57:26 hay is for horses Jul 16 17:06:13 ho Jul 16 17:06:55 heh, this lkml craziness is fun Jul 16 17:07:27 of course, as a Canadian, I have to be polite or I'll lose my passport Jul 16 17:08:08 why? Jul 16 17:08:27 Canadians are always polite Jul 16 17:08:33 because Canadians are polite by nature Jul 16 17:08:52 at least that's the international stereotype of canadians Jul 16 17:09:06 When they get really pissed off they will write someone a letter :P Jul 16 17:09:23 wmat: That is, except for Harper Jul 16 17:09:34 except he isn't Canadian, he's a psychopath Jul 16 17:09:42 heh Jul 16 17:09:45 no doubt Jul 16 17:09:58 i understand the being-polite stereotype, but why would they take your passport? Jul 16 17:10:21 gui_: its called a joke Jul 16 17:10:27 that was a joke implying that I was being un-Canadian Jul 16 17:10:50 snowden was apparently not nice, so they took his passport away Jul 16 17:10:57 yep Jul 16 17:11:04 mru: That's the logic I see for their decision Jul 16 17:11:07 i know it's a joke... but taking your passport does not change your nationality Jul 16 17:11:16 "You are under arrest for being a bad, bad man!!" Jul 16 17:11:21 lol Jul 16 17:11:40 or perhaps "a very naughty boy" Jul 16 17:12:11 can I use grep to search for two terms? Jul 16 17:12:48 gui_: sometimes jokes are better if not interpreted literally :/ Jul 16 17:12:50 wmat: P.S., I'm also Canadian, and will vouch for your Canadian-ness ;) Jul 16 17:13:06 XFaCE: thanks ;) Jul 16 17:13:50 * wmat goes back to the garage for beer and poutine ;) Jul 16 17:14:31 gui_: spi1 can be configured on quite a few different pins so finding the conflicts is a bit harder than usual. Jul 16 17:14:52 I've tried all the possibilities Jul 16 17:15:36 georgem, the whole story is: I have everything setup quite nicely on an SD card. ubuntu, all 3 SPI, some python libs to use them Jul 16 17:16:03 but when I make a 1:1 copy of the SD into the eMMC, it fails to load the SPI capes Jul 16 17:17:44 silly question: does the eMMC cape has to be loaded before we can load other capes? Jul 16 17:17:45 define fail? Jul 16 17:18:37 panto: fails as in: bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.8: failed to load firmware 'BB-SPI0-ENABLE-00A0.dtbo' Jul 16 17:18:46 bone-capemgr bone_capemgr.8: loader: failed to load slot-7 BB-SPI0-ENABLE:00A0 (prio 0) Jul 16 17:18:53 there are other lines before that Jul 16 17:19:02 many: http://pastebin.com/WJmCWrAv Jul 16 17:19:07 are you sure /lib/firmware is populated correctly? Jul 16 17:19:20 and will it load at runtime if you do echo FOO >slots? Jul 16 17:19:37 yes, it loads at runtime, and it loads when I boot from SD Jul 16 17:20:55 strange Jul 16 17:21:18 hmm, wait Jul 16 17:21:33 the emmc cape is of a lower priority Jul 16 17:21:53 so when you try to load the SPI cape it is not loaded yet Jul 16 17:21:54 it shouldn't be, right? Jul 16 17:21:56 so no rootfs Jul 16 17:22:04 no, that is correct Jul 16 17:22:26 it is of lower priority so that other capes that use the pins it uses get priority over it Jul 16 17:22:30 so that answers my silly question Jul 16 17:23:27 I understand. however the SPI and eMMC dont share pins, if I'm not wrong Jul 16 17:23:49 at least one of the ports Jul 16 17:24:00 the capemanager doesn't know that Jul 16 17:24:27 you can get by that problem by including the dtbo in the kernel Jul 16 17:25:17 hmm Jul 16 17:25:40 I'll try that quickly before I go for lunch then Jul 16 17:32:14 panto, can I just copy the .dtbo files or do I need to add the source to the kernel? Jul 16 17:33:53 you need to recompile the kernel Jul 16 17:34:33 CONFIG_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL=y, and CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE=foo Jul 16 17:36:07 panto: been watching the checkins to kernel/3.8 on the rproc stuff, intense :) Jul 16 17:36:37 cmicali: https://plus.google.com/u/0/100242854243155306943/posts/UbxDZahNoKv Jul 16 17:39:39 koen: awesome! Jul 16 17:40:11 koen: is the PRU code specified in the overlay? Jul 16 17:40:24 (or rather, filename for binary in firmware/ ?) Jul 16 17:40:29 firmware Jul 16 17:40:37 firmware filename Jul 16 17:40:38 awesome Jul 16 17:40:42 The Way It Should Be(tm) Jul 16 17:41:01 speaking of that, we should change it from 'testpru' to 'pantos-awesome-pwm' or something Jul 16 17:41:15 koen, yes, I know Jul 16 17:41:36 panto: any introductory material on remoteproc/PRU/stuff? Jul 16 17:41:50 kfoltman, not yet, it's less than a week old Jul 16 17:42:04 I'll submit a paper for elce Jul 16 17:42:05 panto, is this correct? CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE="am335x-pm-firmware.bin,BB-SPI0-ENABLE-00A0.dtbo,BB-SPI1-ENABLE-00A0.dtbo" Jul 16 17:42:29 I think so Jul 16 17:42:36 ok, thank you Jul 16 17:43:35 ok, so what other PRU interface do people want? Jul 16 17:43:42 panto: how easy/hard is it to write a bit of software to 1) make PRU push some data from a circular buffer into I2S 2) access the buffer and the current read position from user-space? Jul 16 17:43:45 mdp, are you around? Jul 16 17:44:11 panto: a general purpose SPI would be useful Jul 16 17:44:22 * mranostay looks for the troll mru Jul 16 17:44:26 kfoltman, PRU code is mostly like a barebones MCU code would be written Jul 16 17:44:31 rebuilding kernel. aka lunch time Jul 16 17:44:54 panto: is there a DMA or something that I could use? Jul 16 17:44:56 so you'd have to access the I2S IP block from the PRU (which is perfectly possible) Jul 16 17:45:01 panto: but really, the missing thing from McSPI is not having the clock limitations, which would be pretty hard with the PRU to get timing right Jul 16 17:45:17 cmicali, PRU timing is pretty tight Jul 16 17:45:42 panto: anyway, if the same I2S stuff can be done without PRU, that's even better, but it probably involves writing a kernel driver, right? Jul 16 17:45:48 panto: for example, i had a a/d chip that wanted a 40mhz SPI clock - but it really needed almost exactly 40mhz Jul 16 17:46:09 would be tricky to get a general purpose spi driver for pru that could generate those kinds of arbitrary clocks Jul 16 17:46:18 but then again, based on the acrobatics you just did, you could probably do that in your sleep Jul 16 17:46:18 cmicali: well, you need hardware PLL I suppose Jul 16 17:47:14 200/40 = 5 Jul 16 17:47:21 PRU is clocked right Jul 16 17:47:41 yeah sorry, i meant hard to make a generalized SPI driver for PRU so you could specify a clock speed Jul 16 17:53:38 panto, yes Jul 16 17:53:58 panto, just off team meeting Jul 16 17:54:36 what kind of a PRU interface you'd like to see Jul 16 17:54:43 a good one Jul 16 17:54:55 you were talking about having a software SPI/I2C simulation client interface Jul 16 17:55:05 which you could use to test host controller implementations Jul 16 17:55:32 ahh, so you know, I have it worked out already how I would do that..nothing more was needed than uio_pruss offers..more or less Jul 16 17:56:00 ok, carry on then :) Jul 16 17:56:04 I have the protocol mostly worked out for this thing (needs more work) Jul 16 17:56:28 but for that application, it's sufficient enough to provide configuration knobs in sram space Jul 16 17:56:39 which I can diddle from userspace pretty easily Jul 16 17:57:17 in a perfect world I would use your remoteproc work to load and reset the slave emulator Jul 16 17:57:44 sram is not arbitrated properly Jul 16 17:57:59 when both ARM and a running PRU access it Jul 16 17:58:44 and rpmsg calls would change parameters (e.g. change to 16-bit word size, polarity, etc.) Jul 16 17:59:15 yeah, but my use case is trivial here..you reset the slave..poke new parameters in..then go Jul 16 17:59:26 there's no streaming data involved Jul 16 17:59:32 what about if you need to stream data? Jul 16 17:59:44 I don't ;) Jul 16 17:59:49 btw, I don't use rpmsg Jul 16 17:59:59 just telling you what the ideal would be Jul 16 18:00:15 it's too much work for what I want to do most of the time Jul 16 18:00:19 send a msg from userspace to the driver to let it know to change mode Jul 16 18:00:21 right Jul 16 18:00:51 but you can see how my case can be done just with the existing stuff Jul 16 18:00:56 yes Jul 16 18:01:08 it's almost as dumb as the self-contained 65xx bus emulation use case Jul 16 18:01:23 but uio_pruss is a bad idea if you have data transfers Jul 16 18:01:34 panto: why is that Jul 16 18:01:56 not memory coherency Jul 16 18:02:03 remember your sync calls? Jul 16 18:02:07 *no Jul 16 18:02:10 quite well, yes that was a pain in the ass Jul 16 18:02:18 how does the rproc stuff handle that? Jul 16 18:02:29 the kernel has a perfectly fine working dma coherency api Jul 16 18:02:36 panto, http://elinux.org/SpiSlaveZero is still incomplete..however, I may be finishing and defining an i2c version of this soon Jul 16 18:02:54 what the PRU does from the point of view of the kernel is nothing more than a weird dma capable peripheral Jul 16 18:03:04 I'm taking over upstreaming of an i2c driver at work and would like a finished version of that slave side Jul 16 18:03:18 so I patched virtio to use the dma coherent api Jul 16 18:03:30 ah Jul 16 18:05:12 panto, I did define the LCD version of this spec to allow for some pins to set polarity/phase Jul 16 18:05:32 some offline updates have some consideration for alternative OOB paths to set this stuff Jul 16 18:06:18 panto, one of many unfinished projects ;) Jul 16 18:06:27 ;) Jul 16 18:07:51 dinner time, bbl Jul 16 18:13:26 hey gang. any good resources on using the UARTs for serial communication on the beaglebone black? Jul 16 18:16:05 Sunset: http://hipstercircuits.com/enable-serialuarttty-on-beaglebone-black/ Jul 16 18:34:33 hi Jul 16 18:35:21 german? Jul 16 18:37:46 tel me something.... Jul 16 18:42:23 i hafe start my bbb run the putty console for install Python, all okay, but when i start with the comand >>>import Adafruit_BBIO.ADC as ADC <<< my beagle call me Version: ImageMagick....why? Jul 16 18:46:11 anyone out there??? Jul 16 18:46:27 "hello...." Jul 16 18:46:51 <_SY_> hi Jul 16 18:46:56 hi Jul 16 18:47:18 Is there anyone out there (anyone out there) oh, oh Jul 16 18:47:18 Anyone out there (anyone out there) oh, oh Jul 16 18:47:18 Anyone out there (anyone out there) oh, oh Jul 16 18:47:19 Anyone out there (anyone out there) oh, oh Jul 16 18:47:21 Anyone out there (anyone out there) Jul 16 18:47:33 nice Jul 16 18:47:35 * mrpacket_ is singing old Duran Duran song Jul 16 18:47:59 singing does not work well on interweb Jul 16 18:48:06 <_SY_> lol. Jul 16 18:48:56 ♬ or does it? ♫ Jul 16 18:49:39 XD but i think it is better for all ^^ Jul 16 18:49:57 <_SY_> Whats the best / easiest way to detect if an instance of an application is already running in linux? From a C application? Jul 16 18:55:14 compiling and run ^^ Jul 16 18:55:16 ? Jul 16 18:55:26 if one can sing in the rain, why couldn't why sing on the interwebz? Jul 16 18:55:58 _SY_, check the process list? Jul 16 18:56:01 ps Jul 16 18:56:30 <_SY_> Yep, I can do that, but what I want to do is when my C app starts, to check to see if another instance is already running. Jul 16 18:57:00 any of the trolls still here Jul 16 18:57:03 <_SY_> In QNX I would look for the process using: name_open and name_attach Jul 16 18:57:05 <--troll Jul 16 18:58:31 chek the cache? Jul 16 18:59:03 check Jul 16 18:59:09 <_SY_> I can see all the PID's in /proc, but how do I look up an PID given a process name? Jul 16 19:00:14 <_SY_> I guess I could spawn ps and grep for the process from my application? Jul 16 19:00:50 Hi beagle community! Jul 16 19:01:00 <_SY_> hello Jul 16 19:01:07 Juste received my first black, so I'm gonna stay here for a while Jul 16 19:01:21 _SY_ try pgrep Jul 16 19:01:22 stupidiest way _SY_, use system("ps > ps.txt"), open file, read, parse, close Jul 16 19:02:01 can anyone help me with finding a config file for the BBB that builds a linux 3.10 kernel? Jul 16 19:02:04 its old, and i dont know if its still used, but that command looks for process names and returns PIDs Jul 16 19:02:43 <_SY_> flufmnstr: pgrep looks promising! Jul 16 19:02:47 ifueko: check koen's stuff, he usually has a stack of patches that make stuff workâ„¢ Jul 16 19:05:59 gui_: man popen Jul 16 19:06:13 hey guys, anybody want to try a beta image of Fedora for BBB? Jul 16 19:06:20 Stupid question: has anybody (or is it possible) to run the 3.2 kernel on the beaglebone black? Jul 16 19:06:28 just got the BBB working on f19 last night Jul 16 19:06:44 mru, it's not for me, it's for _SY_ Jul 16 19:07:05 <_SY_> mru: thank you, that looks goot too Jul 16 19:07:13 <_SY_> *good Jul 16 19:07:28 http://parasense.fedorapeople.org/f19-beagleboneblack-MATE.img.xz Jul 16 19:08:04 ^^ if somebody would plz give that a try and let me know any thoughts or whatever, would be fabulous. Jul 16 19:11:42 For now the Fedora remix use Angstrom kernel/modules, but we got a 3.11 kernel that we hope to use in v2 Jul 16 19:13:52 I try to access my eMMC, while I am operating from the SDcard of the BBB. I can't mount it, I get errors like 'mounting read-only' Jul 16 19:14:09 masta: what kernel is that image using? Jul 16 19:14:14 3.8? Jul 16 19:14:47 jmoyerman: the kernel 3.8 from angstrom, but that will change later this week... we will move to 3.11 Jul 16 19:15:01 jmoyerman: this is early beta image Jul 16 19:16:06 my arch Linux on the SD card is mounted as mmcblk0. In the /dev list I can see the eMMC named mmcblk1, but can't mount it. Jul 16 19:16:37 Elgaeb: mmcblk1s1... not the block device itself Jul 16 19:17:06 p1 not s1, right? Jul 16 19:18:40 I tried both the block itself mmcblk1, which I expected not to work anyway. Then I tried to mount mmcblk1boot0, which did not work. Jul 16 19:18:55 Why are there two boot partitions? boot0 and boot1 Jul 16 19:19:08 Elgaeb, they're not used Jul 16 19:19:20 Elgaeb, mount mmcblk1p1 and p2 Jul 16 19:19:24 it's emmc special sauce which is not needed for us Jul 16 19:19:49 okay thank you, so p2 will be the boot partition? Jul 16 19:20:03 p1 = boot, p2 = rootfs Jul 16 19:20:50 <_SY_> strange if I type ps -ef | grep java...I see my running java processes....then if I type kill -9 pid, it kills the process but doesn't remove the pid from the list, when I next type ps-ef | grep java I still see java listed but not my processes...why is java not being killed, it is on Centos when I do the same. Jul 16 19:21:30 thank you, do you know what these two mmcblk1boot0 and *boot1 are doing there? Couldnt mount them. Jul 16 19:21:35 <_SY_> Just to clairfy I still see the PID's for the original processes listed Jul 16 19:21:57 <_SY_> with 'java ' as the application listed Jul 16 19:22:59 _SY_: btw, about your "i dont want to become an expert in linux" Jul 16 19:23:01 _SY_: http://m.xkcd.com/456/ Jul 16 19:23:15 <_SY_> Yep...I know :) Jul 16 19:23:39 so... talk to your daughter before it's too late ;) Jul 16 19:24:06 <_SY_> its like dilbert :) Jul 16 19:24:34 <_SY_> There is a lot of variation between distributions. Jul 16 19:25:04 LOL the image alt text is awesome Jul 16 19:26:46 Just wanted to check the process for potentially having a DTS included in the meta-beaglebone 3.8 kernel for the beaglebone. Send a patch to the mailing list or something else? Jul 16 19:27:30 That is, a DTS for a custom cape. Jul 16 19:37:38 can I dd my SD card to eMMC or do I necessarily need to use an image? Jul 16 19:39:40 What! someone with a $20 to $50 embedded controller is gonna spend $385.20 / 2 for a gpl Jul 16 19:40:01 gui_: is your sd card size <= eMMC size Jul 16 19:40:04 * djlewis reads his elektor add. Jul 16 19:40:55 nope, but I intend to use bs=256 and count N, where N makes it smaller than 2GB and big enough to copy the whole fs Jul 16 19:42:19 I am dding right now my sd card image to the eMMC. Can tell you soon, if it works. :) Jul 16 19:42:31 heh Jul 16 19:42:49 well, so am I Jul 16 19:43:00 it does take a while though Jul 16 19:43:14 yes and dd shows no progress bar Jul 16 19:43:17 I don't have a BBB in front of me, is the mmc partitioned? If so you're just dding the partition not the entire mmc right? Jul 16 19:43:25 but dd is a nice tool anyway Jul 16 19:43:44 I don't think you can do that without resizing the fs first Jul 16 19:44:06 I dd the whole partition Jul 16 19:44:07 georgem, i had dd'ed the whole drive once, using an image Jul 16 19:44:10 and it worked Jul 16 19:44:22 this time, i'm changing just the rootfs Jul 16 19:44:33 but no image, straight from the SD Jul 16 19:45:01 No! error writing /dev/mmcblk1: no space left Jul 16 19:45:13 finished! time of truth! Jul 16 19:46:21 Do e2fsck on it Jul 16 19:46:50 nope, failed Jul 16 19:46:55 didn't boot Jul 16 19:47:07 i'll try to reflash the boot partition aswell Jul 16 19:47:09 You should really do dumpe2fs and make sure the block count doesn't exceed the bounds of the mmc Jul 16 19:48:37 gui_: you had the sd card either unmounted or mounted ro, right? Jul 16 19:48:49 mounted Jul 16 19:48:55 rw or ro? Jul 16 19:49:03 idk Jul 16 19:49:08 i booted from it Jul 16 19:49:14 you never want to dd a partition that is mounted rw Jul 16 19:49:34 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 179, 0 Jan 1 2000 /dev/mmcblk0 Jul 16 19:49:50 ro = read only? Jul 16 19:49:52 need stop systemd-journald and anything else and do: mount -oremount,ro / Jul 16 19:49:59 type mount Jul 16 19:51:48 tried "sudo mount -oremount,ro /", got "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" Jul 16 19:51:53 goodnight all Jul 16 19:52:02 damn, I guess my backup is gone now. -.- I used dd to write my mmcblk0 to a flash drive. Then I wanted to dd it again from the flash drive to the eMMC. Then I end up with the message no space left on device. Do I have to format eMMC first? Jul 16 19:52:04 good night o/ Jul 16 19:52:24 Elgaeb, what's the size of your SD? Jul 16 19:52:33 8GB Jul 16 19:52:57 after writing the 11% percent was still free on it Jul 16 19:53:05 that's why, eMMC is only 2GB Jul 16 19:53:40 I know, but the image I did from eMMC to a USB flash drive. Jul 16 19:53:51 That should fit again into the eMMC Jul 16 19:54:29 but are you copying a partition or the whole drive? Jul 16 19:54:44 the SD slot I am just using to do the operations. I booted ArchLinux from SD Jul 16 19:55:08 You should really just format the mmc and use tar to copy directories Jul 16 19:55:17 I did sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M | sudo gzip –c | sudo dd of=/mnt/flash/BBB-backup-ubuntu.img.gz Jul 16 19:56:06 It will fit if its compressed but when you uncompress it onto the emmc its not going to fit Jul 16 19:56:25 if you want to back it up use tar Jul 16 19:56:37 so tar is better anywat then dd, because of user rights? Jul 16 19:56:58 dd is faster Jul 16 19:58:35 dd is fine if you're working with file systems that are the same size. What you should probably do is only partition your sd card to have the same number of blocks as eMMC and then you can dd to your hearts content Jul 16 19:59:18 how do I copy my rootfs to a tar file? Jul 16 19:59:42 hm with $ dd if=/mnt/flash/BBB-backup*.img.gz | gzip -dc | dd of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M I am just writing an image into the eMMC that I read out of the eMMC before. Why doesnt it fit any longer? Jul 16 20:00:34 gui_: If your tar has --one-file-system do it like: tar -c --one-file-system -f - . | (cd /newPartitionMountPoint/; tar -xvf -) Jul 16 20:00:56 dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M | xz - > /mnt/flash/BBB-backup-ubuntu.img.xz Jul 16 20:01:24 georgem, what do you mean by one-file-system? Jul 16 20:01:52 i plugged my SD card in my ubuntu laptop and I want to back it up to my desktop area Jul 16 20:02:08 gui_: http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html search for --one-file-system Jul 16 20:03:06 mm, I think I got it Jul 16 20:03:57 yes, your ubuntu laptop should have that. cd into the directory it is mounted then do: tar --one-file-system -czf ~/Desktop/root.tar.gz . Jul 16 20:05:03 $ sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M | sudo gzip –c | sudo dd of=/mnt/flash/BBB-backup-ubuntu.img.gz for my back up and $ dd if=/mnt/flash/BBB-backup*.img.gz | gzip -dc | dd of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M to restore it. Maybe I have to format the eMMC first Jul 16 20:05:52 george, the output file comes first? Jul 16 20:05:53 I am not copying anything to or from my SDcard. Jul 16 20:06:05 gui_: yes Jul 16 20:06:34 it says ~/rootfs.tar.gz: Cannot stat: No such file or directory Jul 16 20:07:46 nevermind Jul 16 20:10:02 masta: dd is not always faster if you have a drive that is mostly empty Jul 16 20:11:55 fun thing to do: create a file named "--help"; try to move or remove it Jul 16 20:13:57 that is easy Jul 16 20:14:15 if you read teh man page for rm... Jul 16 20:15:39 shhh, let me be newbie Jul 16 20:22:14 georgem, how do I extract that tar file now? Jul 16 20:22:27 i hate tar commands, never know which I use Jul 16 20:22:37 parameters* Jul 16 20:23:13 Go to the directory you want to extract it to and do: tar -xzf ~/root.tar.gz Jul 16 20:23:53 thanks Jul 16 20:24:10 will this work too? tar -xzf /rootfs.tar.gz /media/rootfs/ Jul 16 20:24:57 no. try: cd /media/rootfs/ && tar -xzf /rootfs.tar.gz Jul 16 20:25:28 Or I think: tar -xzf /rootfs.tar.gz -C /media/rootfs/ Jul 16 20:25:43 ok Jul 16 20:26:05 got errors: tar: ./MLO: Cannot change ownership to uid 1000, gid 1000: Operation not permitted Jul 16 20:26:11 will that affect me? Jul 16 20:26:29 gui_: yeah Jul 16 20:26:49 try: sudo tar -xzf /rootfs.tar.gz -C /media/rootfs/ Jul 16 20:26:58 i'm root Jul 16 20:27:01 oh Jul 16 20:27:13 ummm Jul 16 20:27:46 If you mounted the card through the gui it probably squashed all of the ownership to uid 1000 Jul 16 20:28:30 you mean when I mounted on my laptop or in the BBB? Jul 16 20:28:49 gui_: well wait a second. MLO is usually on the fat partition Jul 16 20:29:05 yes, it's the boot Jul 16 20:29:25 i'm extracting the rootfs now, no errors so far Jul 16 20:30:41 hi all Jul 16 20:31:33 If you get that error when extracting onto the boot try adding this switch: --no-same-owner Jul 16 20:31:55 i am considering the bbb but have several questions Jul 16 20:32:28 can the linux that comes on it be overwritten? Jul 16 20:32:51 in the 2G card? Jul 16 20:32:56 yes shultzjr Jul 16 20:33:08 you can put anything in the onboard eMMC Jul 16 20:33:15 is lubuntu a popular option? Jul 16 20:33:24 if you want to boot from it, it does need a boot loader on there Jul 16 20:34:04 can one connect a BIG usb hd and boot to it? Jul 16 20:34:21 boot to it? Jul 16 20:34:33 as long as you have a bootloader that will xfer control, sure Jul 16 20:34:34 shultzjr: you can't boot to it but you could use it as your rootfs Jul 16 20:34:53 georgem: dd is most certainly fast if the drive has empty (sparse) regions Jul 16 20:34:53 no reason you can't boot kernels, etc from teh USB HD Jul 16 20:35:09 the computer i am on has 3 parts: swap, root and data running lubuntu Jul 16 20:35:41 georgem: oflags=sparse FTW Jul 16 20:36:14 Has anyone used Golang on the beaglebone, and is there an angstrom binary package floating around for it? Jul 16 20:36:20 yay! I booted from emmc with my new kernel! and nope, SPI still not available :( Jul 16 20:36:43 there was someone talking about Go a few weeks ago Jul 16 20:36:56 2G eMMC should be big enough for a small lubuntu install Jul 16 20:37:58 can the eMMC 2G be replaced with an 8G one? Jul 16 20:38:16 yes if you have the appropriate tools Jul 16 20:38:44 would one need to do any hardware level stuff? Jul 16 20:38:46 shultzjr, you'd better use an SD card instead Jul 16 20:39:12 then doesn't the eMMC just "go to waiste"? Jul 16 20:39:38 could use it for data Jul 16 20:39:45 you can use for storage Jul 16 20:39:51 you can still stor eyour tiny pr0n collection on the emmc Jul 16 20:39:56 no worries Jul 16 20:40:12 eMMC is 8 bit vs 4 bit for SD card. I haven't done any benchmarks yet though... Jul 16 20:40:17 until the nsa comes snooping Jul 16 20:41:23 would a bbb and an aurduino mega be "something" to play with? Jul 16 20:42:18 sure. Jul 16 20:42:19 i haven't seen this kind of combo on utube at all Jul 16 20:42:19 shultzjr: you could probably use them as hockey pucks in a pinch Jul 16 20:42:42 I find that they only are good for one round. Jul 16 20:42:51 yeah... Jul 16 20:42:54 the shotgun destroys them too quick Jul 16 20:43:18 what does one move on to or graduate to? Jul 16 20:43:52 shultzjr: trolling Jul 16 20:44:14 no, my birthday and i am thinking of getting myself a present Jul 16 20:44:40 * mru sends shultzjr an inflatable troll Jul 16 20:44:48 for when #beagle is offline Jul 16 20:45:17 shultzjr: If you're interested in Linux and embedded systems BBB should be worth your money. Jul 16 20:45:26 what is the max resolution of the bbb on the screen? Jul 16 20:45:34 1080p? Jul 16 20:45:47 whatever the trm says Jul 16 20:45:58 1080p I think. yeah, whatever the trm says :) Jul 16 20:46:01 will it handle streeming video at hdtv level? Jul 16 20:46:30 question is, will your network handle? Jul 16 20:46:31 trm says wxga whatever that is Jul 16 20:46:52 1G and thinking of even more. Jul 16 20:46:54 WXGA = 1280×768 Jul 16 20:47:02 at 1080p... don't think the xM will even meet those needs Jul 16 20:47:16 the xm can output 1080p24 Jul 16 20:47:29 1080p24 at 1bpp should work Jul 16 20:47:32 hello, does anyone know the password for user ubuntu on beaglebone black? It seems it doesn't accept "temppwd" Jul 16 20:47:32 it can't decode 1080p video though Jul 16 20:47:32 when streaming? Jul 16 20:47:35 don't throw stones but rpi can do it i think. Jul 16 20:47:48 cyp_ try ubuntu:ubuntu Jul 16 20:47:51 mru: even for very low color depths? Jul 16 20:47:53 or ubuntu:temppwd Jul 16 20:47:53 i flashed ubuntu on it, it booted, ssh open and nothing Jul 16 20:47:58 i tried ubuntu/ubuntu Jul 16 20:48:07 2bpp or 4bpp range Jul 16 20:48:11 where did you download ubuntu? Jul 16 20:48:15 rpi is a very powerful video/graphics processor with a tiny arm core bolted on as an afterthought Jul 16 20:48:20 elinux.org Jul 16 20:48:21 there's a guide Jul 16 20:48:34 i also modified the passwd and shadow, added my own user and reflashed Jul 16 20:48:35 the guide must tell the password Jul 16 20:48:38 also added a key Jul 16 20:48:39 the chip they use was actually only intended as a test chip for the videocore processor Jul 16 20:48:45 yes, the guide said the pass is "temppwd" Jul 16 20:48:49 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#eMMC:_BeagleBone_Black Jul 16 20:49:03 i am familiar with the rpi limitations Jul 16 20:49:26 also added a ssh key i use to log in to other servers, seems it won't accept it Jul 16 20:49:44 can you log in with your new user? Jul 16 20:49:52 tried with both ubuntu and new user Jul 16 20:50:24 try to make a new install and log in before making any changes Jul 16 20:50:33 are you allowed to login through the path you tried? Jul 16 20:50:39 then be careful while changing users and passwords Jul 16 20:50:53 first i installed vanilla Jul 16 20:50:55 didn't work Jul 16 20:50:57 login didn't work Jul 16 20:51:00 everything else did Jul 16 20:51:07 how are you connected? Jul 16 20:51:08 then changed the sd card i used for flashing the emmc Jul 16 20:51:13 ssh? serial cable? Jul 16 20:51:13 LAN Jul 16 20:51:23 i see the ip, ssh is open and everything Jul 16 20:51:26 just can't log in :) Jul 16 20:51:36 is the keys owned by the right user? Jul 16 20:51:42 yes, chown, chmod 600 Jul 16 20:51:42 you're sure it's the right IP? Jul 16 20:51:48 both the .ssh dir and they authorized_keys Jul 16 20:51:53 and is it in the right format for your sshd? Jul 16 20:51:57 yup, i'm sure the ip is right Jul 16 20:52:03 do you have a serial cable? Jul 16 20:52:08 nope, no serial Jul 16 20:52:17 do you know how to build one? Jul 16 20:52:26 isn't it an easier way? Jul 16 20:52:32 buy ohne Jul 16 20:52:34 one Jul 16 20:52:45 i know i can make a daemon that listens on some port and gives me a shell Jul 16 20:52:48 put it on the sd, reflash Jul 16 20:52:50 and bam, login Jul 16 20:52:55 but i was expecting it to work Jul 16 20:52:56 stupid question, wouldn't ethernet be easier? Jul 16 20:53:06 it is connected trough ethernet Jul 16 20:53:12 and works, responds to ping, ssh open Jul 16 20:53:17 just won't allow me to log in Jul 16 20:53:17 what sshd are you using? Jul 16 20:53:20 shultzjr, yes, but he's having trouble thru LAN Jul 16 20:53:24 default, lemme check Jul 16 20:53:35 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.1 Jul 16 20:54:03 fault in the installed code? reload? Jul 16 20:54:03 is authorized_keys in the ascii format for openssh? Jul 16 20:54:21 ascii Jul 16 20:54:28 i did what i always do, wget it from a url Jul 16 20:54:32 and chmod, chown, etc Jul 16 20:54:37 anyway, i also copied the shadow encryption Jul 16 20:54:47 so even if the key won't work, the pass should Jul 16 20:55:07 come to think of it, i think it's not the passwords Jul 16 20:55:16 i don't think it'll let anything log in Jul 16 20:55:22 ubuntu can use F'ed password encryption Jul 16 20:55:34 i noticed, the default one seems ancient Jul 16 20:55:40 koen: https://plus.google.com/112218872649456413744/posts/3zf3D3Vkw55 search for 'dutch' Jul 16 20:56:10 ubuntu:rcdjoac1gVi9g:15870:0:99999:7::: Jul 16 20:56:13 the default shadow Jul 16 20:56:23 very short hash, so probably ancient Jul 16 20:56:38 and no $ signs in it Jul 16 20:56:38 which is odd, cat debian_version -> wheezy/sid Jul 16 20:56:49 so the default, weak hash Jul 16 20:57:06 or wrong shadow format Jul 16 20:57:15 should also have $ for expiry and such Jul 16 20:57:48 the stronger hashes are indicated by a $n$ prefix Jul 16 20:57:56 cyp:$6$gAqXpu9V$ckBlsqjt0///0cxAP3ZvZOxkKlQSB6tOUH4CkDqRspAaWR2j/5sCgA.iXIo6w2yvJt2x2vZbWr1VmMSqDJgOz.:15821:0:99999:7::: Jul 16 20:57:57 with different n indicating different hashes Jul 16 20:57:59 like this one :P Jul 16 20:58:26 anyway, also added my user and nothing Jul 16 20:58:36 seems the ubuntu image from elinux.org is screwy Jul 16 20:58:59 that looks like a sha256 hash iirc Jul 16 20:59:19 probably Jul 16 20:59:23 but salted Jul 16 20:59:35 anyway, that's besides the point Jul 16 20:59:41 i wonder if that image works for anybody else Jul 16 20:59:42 even the ancient ones are salted Jul 16 21:00:04 what do you guys use? Jul 16 21:00:07 armstrong? Jul 16 21:00:16 or whatever the name Jul 16 21:03:47 you mean angstrom? Jul 16 21:03:52 yup Jul 16 21:03:57 <_av500_> I'M ALIVE!!! Jul 16 21:03:58 i'm using ubuntu Jul 16 21:04:03 <_av500_> oops, wrong channel Jul 16 21:04:06 which image did you get? Jul 16 21:04:15 followed a couple of tuts Jul 16 21:04:16 hold on Jul 16 21:04:20 I'm using debian here. Jul 16 21:04:24 http://yellowfeather.co.uk/blog/2012/03/26/userland-spi-on-the-beaglebone-with-ubuntu/ http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone Jul 16 21:04:28 yeah, flashing debian right now Jul 16 21:04:37 don't know why i haven't from the start Jul 16 21:04:43 having some slight difficulty getting audio going, but it's coming along Jul 16 21:04:51 it's my go-to distrib for servers Jul 16 21:05:12 how can I add device tree descriptions to the kernel? Jul 16 21:07:21 so weird Jul 16 21:07:22 debian:rcdjoac1gVi9g:15870:0:99999:7::: Jul 16 21:07:31 encryption in /etc/shadow for debian Jul 16 21:07:37 it's the same as in ubuntu Jul 16 21:07:49 something's strange Jul 16 21:08:12 debian also has a root password set up i see Jul 16 21:09:01 cyp: do you got an uHDMI cable to login with a screen and keyboard connected to your BBB? Jul 16 21:09:24 sadly no, not yet Jul 16 21:09:32 just got my bbb today Jul 16 21:09:43 so haven't yet bought other stuff Jul 16 21:09:56 I can login to my debian and ubuntu distros with the temppwd pw. Jul 16 21:10:12 what's the encryption? Jul 16 21:10:35 sry I am a little newby, what is an encryption Jul 16 21:10:47 as root : grep debian /etc/shadow Jul 16 21:10:53 mom Jul 16 21:11:31 debian:rcdjoac1gVi9g:15870:0:99999:7::: Jul 16 21:12:07 strange Jul 16 21:12:12 hey, try to login with root and pw root. That worked as well! Jul 16 21:12:21 i know, on debian it does Jul 16 21:12:31 i mean it's written in the wiki Jul 16 21:12:43 but on ubuntu there's no root encryption, so no root pw Jul 16 21:13:46 so you can ssh to debian but not to ubuntu? Jul 16 21:14:52 I got a question to these to distros. Is there really just the command line and no GUI at all? I found some distros that use a nice gnome gui Jul 16 21:15:02 nope, can't ssh in any of them Jul 16 21:15:13 you can install gui Jul 16 21:15:22 some maybe have them installed already Jul 16 21:15:24 you can put gui's on them Jul 16 21:15:25 try running startx Jul 16 21:15:29 as a non-root user Jul 16 21:15:39 yeah i tried, startx doesnt work Jul 16 21:15:53 Crofton|work: nice picture. what mountain range is that? Jul 16 21:15:54 what dist are you using? Jul 16 21:16:36 that's I fine, I dont need a GUI Jul 16 21:17:02 d'oh. I wonder if my audio card isn't working... Jul 16 21:18:11 jmoyerman: deaf? Jul 16 21:23:19 what is your error message, when you ssh into your debian? Jul 16 21:23:38 mranostay: ha ha ha. No. Jul 16 21:24:10 root root and debian temppwd should work. We both are using the exact same image from elinux.org Jul 16 21:26:09 I just tried again to ssh into debian with root root. Jul 16 21:26:53 did you try the angstrom distro which was preinstalled? Jul 16 21:42:48 if I want to clean my emmc partitions without losing the partitioning, can I just "rm -r *"? Jul 16 21:53:08 mkfs might be faster and/or more thorough Jul 16 21:55:12 little more sane too Jul 16 21:55:26 but who wants that? Jul 16 21:55:36 mranostay: since when do you care about sanity? Jul 16 21:56:03 did i say i did? Jul 16 21:56:08 i was just making a point :P Jul 16 21:56:16 ah, sanity is for other people Jul 16 21:56:25 oh wait, s/other// Jul 16 21:56:27 you're a troll Jul 16 21:57:25 speaking of trolls, a funny thing happened in dublin Jul 16 21:58:24 you can't spell troll without toll Jul 16 21:58:27 I was at the bar talking with some kernel hacker when a woman I didn't recognise walked up and started chatting with us (she knew the other guy) Jul 16 21:58:50 no priest and duck? Jul 16 21:58:50 after a minute or so, I thought "that has got to be becky", and sure enough it was becky Jul 16 21:59:34 mru: never met beckyb in person before? Jul 16 21:59:35 I didn't even know she was there Jul 16 21:59:46 gui_: you could use the -O option of sfdisk to backup the partition table or whatever Jul 16 22:00:01 I think I would have remembered Jul 16 22:01:43 anyone booting their bbb from usb? Jul 16 22:03:29 I've heard its possible however I've yet to pull off the feat yet Jul 16 22:03:59 depends on what you mean by booting from usb Jul 16 22:04:01 that is quite a feat Jul 16 22:04:56 K9 is easier to climb Jul 16 22:05:14 mru: apparently u-boot can be made to boot from usb Jul 16 22:05:23 depends on what you mean by booting from usb Jul 16 22:05:43 mru: mmc/sd card booting the root fs on an attached usb Jul 16 22:05:53 eh Jul 16 22:05:57 universally shitty boot Jul 16 22:06:57 trying an experiment now Jul 16 22:09:35 1this should be "intriguing" Jul 16 22:10:38 I may also not have new enough firmware on my box either Jul 16 22:10:49 huh? Jul 16 22:11:04 I seem to recall reading their was a flash update to the emmc Jul 16 22:11:22 er there Jul 16 22:11:29 you can put whatever you want there Jul 16 22:13:04 it's not like a pc bios that can only be updated by black magic on a floppy disk despite the board lacking a controller Jul 16 22:13:37 anyone here have experience setting up swat for samba Jul 16 22:13:50 * mru mainly swats flies Jul 16 22:13:59 pb__: years ago yes Jul 16 22:14:03 anytime recently no Jul 16 22:14:36 trying to figure out how to edit its config via ssh Jul 16 22:14:43 can't seem to find the file to modify for it Jul 16 22:15:12 I inserted an SD into the BBB with Angstrom eMMC flasher. Then I pressed the S2 button and powered it on like in the discription. Is it right that angstrom boots up? Is the flashing of the eMMC happening right now in the background? Jul 16 22:16:24 mightjust have to build my own initrd to do this Jul 16 22:16:34 I really want to put my spare ssd to use Jul 16 22:17:34 If I'm going to troll around in this channel I suppose I should probably actually cough up the money for a BBB so I can help people more easily. Jul 16 22:17:58 that's not actually necessary Jul 16 22:18:05 professional guesses are quite sufficient here Jul 16 22:18:10 heh Jul 16 22:18:20 and even some not so professional ones right? Jul 16 22:18:21 heheh Jul 16 22:19:21 mru: lkml professional? Jul 16 22:20:27 I flashed the eMMC a couple times before successfully with angstrom, but now I got a screen connected and can see the command line of Angstrom. So I am not sure if it is flashing my eMMC right now Jul 16 22:20:36 There have been a lot of eMMC related questions recently Jul 16 22:20:50 mranostay: you weren't around when 26+26=54 originated, right? Jul 16 22:21:40 mru: was that pre beaglebone white? like more beaglebone time frame? Jul 16 22:21:46 beagleboard* Jul 16 22:22:20 it was in 2010 iirc Jul 16 22:22:47 mru: nope Jul 16 22:22:53 read the log iirc Jul 16 22:23:32 * Tenkawa really should get a serial cable Jul 16 22:24:32 mru: why you ask? Jul 16 22:24:39 this dependence on hdmi sucks Jul 16 22:25:01 Some poor shmuck has posted his RPi based NAS on google+. I wonder how the USB will hold out. Hopefully CRC checks will keep him from losing any data. Jul 16 22:25:10 mranostay: the word 'professional' featured prominently in the incident Jul 16 22:25:27 oh right :) Jul 16 22:25:47 thanks for your guesses. but again, i'm a professional and do not need guesses, all the guesses you shout; i can too. i need real answers. instead of wasting time, direct me to the real answer next time, ok? Jul 16 22:25:48 are there any professional embedded linux engineers here? Jul 16 22:26:09 hehe Jul 16 22:26:31 mru: sounds like a fun guy Jul 16 22:26:46 it was hilarious Jul 16 22:27:04 hey... how can you tell if your bbb is still limiting the usb power throughput? Jul 16 22:27:18 Guessing is my normal mode of operation for answering questions at work. How else are you supposed maintain your concentration long enough to get something done with people asking stupid ass questions. Jul 16 22:27:44 mru: sure hope he found some professionals Jul 16 22:28:13 wheres the fun in that? Jul 16 22:28:19 heheh Jul 16 22:28:48 sometimes "not" knowing everything can be really fun Jul 16 22:29:11 actually most of the time I enjoy the challenge of learning Jul 16 22:29:33 +1 Jul 16 22:29:39 my unit must still be limiting the current Jul 16 22:29:49 the ssd even mounted as an external drive locks up the box Jul 16 22:30:07 let me see if my 2 amp plug works better Jul 16 22:30:09 hheheh **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 16 22:42:58 2013 Jul 16 22:43:51 epic irc fail Jul 16 22:44:42 party is over everyone go home... Jul 16 22:59:04 I just thought of a good idea for a kick starter campaign. Hrmmm Jul 16 23:00:37 beaglebone black beer? Jul 16 23:01:11 yum Jul 16 23:02:37 well... thats actually a better idea. lets go with that Jul 16 23:03:21 Or pets. Beaglebone black bears. Jul 16 23:03:31 prpplague: beagleborad.org needs to be the logo Jul 16 23:05:08 av500: no minnowborad yet? Jul 16 23:05:29 Ha. Actually I was just looking at the minnowboard and I remembered how much I hate GMA 500/600 Jul 16 23:06:07 And all powervr graphics cores... which leads to my kickstarter idea Jul 16 23:09:57 mranostay: av500 's should ship this week Jul 16 23:11:09 hmm you really can't put a borad suit on a fish Jul 16 23:11:41 prpplague: the fish have a name? Jul 16 23:12:02 mranostay: i am sorry i did not understand your question Jul 16 23:12:27 prpplague: minnowboard mascot :) Jul 16 23:12:35 mranostay: oh, no clue Jul 16 23:14:05 PSA for anyone that cares: Serious Sam 3 and Amnesia: The Dark Descent are up for flash sale on Steam for $3.99 with Linux support. Jul 16 23:22:09 mranostay, rework that fish to a mermaid...call it wanda...apply appropriate clothing Jul 16 23:26:50 im trying out this tut(http://derekmolloy.ie/gpios-on-the-beaglebone-black-using-device-tree-overlays/) on device tree overlays but i dont have anything in /sys/kernel/debug/ Jul 16 23:27:00 *running debian Jul 16 23:30:10 mranostay, for a large fee I can help your company rescue this project Jul 16 23:31:20 any kickbacks? :P Jul 16 23:34:06 I will msg you exactsteps Jul 16 23:42:01 flufmnstr: you probably need to "mount -tdebugfs none /sys/kernel/debug". that is an off the top of my head beer influenced answer though Jul 16 23:43:45 sounds right, i just found a post about out it Jul 16 23:44:43 yep, there it all is Jul 16 23:45:19 georgem_home chalk one up for beer influenced anaswers Jul 16 23:46:18 +1 Jul 16 23:47:23 beer is truth Jul 16 23:50:58 whats this UUID business in fstab? Jul 16 23:51:32 is that because im runnin from the internal storage? Jul 16 23:54:07 mru, my tripel agrees with you Jul 16 23:54:44 as long as I'm not angry, drinking and posting publicly seems ok Jul 16 23:55:22 can you guys still download angstrom distros? I get error messages when I klick onto the files on this page: http://www.beagleboard.org/angstrom-mirror/www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ Jul 16 23:56:32 * georgem_home is jealous of mdp Jul 16 23:56:32 looking at the beaglebone and trying to see if I can use two SPI ports from the chip? Is the configuration eeprom able to allow me to do this with the standard CAPES? Jul 16 23:56:58 what do you get on the actual site .. http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/ Jul 16 23:57:01 rich_: I don't think you can use the first spi port. let me see Jul 16 23:58:11 well maybe you can... Jul 17 00:01:10 rich_: you just need to make your own custom device tree and breadboard something yourself. check to make sure theres not any pin conflicts. Jul 17 00:03:35 flufmnstr: uuid is for identifying mounts by an id instead of relying on them to given a certain device node. For instance if you had a USB flash drive plugged in during boot your USB HDD might come up as a different device. Jul 17 00:05:08 ah. first time ive seen that. so its a fstab thing then? Jul 17 00:05:50 usually yeah Jul 17 00:09:15 oh thats cool. the 3 ways to declare things in fstab Jul 17 00:25:47 hi folks; I couldn't find it in documentation so I made up a mechanical drawing for the BB-xM showing the (rough) component locations and dimensions plus the mounting holes and hole locations for the various headers Jul 17 00:26:55 basically it's the mechanical info needed by anyone making up a board to plug into the BB-xM - is there any particular person to contact about contributing that documentation? Jul 17 01:18:47 wow Jul 17 01:19:09 when your Pi just aint enough, bolt on another processor - http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-54259/l/embest-user-manual-for-embedded-pi Jul 17 01:29:50 what is an embedded Pi Jul 17 01:30:27 oh geepers Jul 17 01:30:40 ha ah Jul 17 01:30:50 someone had to do it Jul 17 01:31:53 Hello all. Has anyone had the file /media/BEAGLEBONE/uEnv.txt disappear between boots on the Beaglebone Black? Jul 17 02:28:19 mranostay: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/SNV7QcSJJH9 Jul 17 02:30:46 prpplague: people have too much time Jul 17 02:31:12 mranostay: hehe i am going to reset all the BBB test stations on sunday night Jul 17 02:33:10 mranostay: have all the workstations playing the imperial march when come into the office on monday Jul 17 02:46:52 * mranostay suspects bradfa_ has been holding back Jul 17 02:47:07 mranostay, should I go lkml on g+? Jul 17 02:49:40 prpplague: you should arrive wearing a Vader mask Jul 17 02:50:20 wmat: just a black shirt and cape Jul 17 02:50:38 heh Jul 17 02:50:48 bradfa_: hehe on which post? Jul 17 02:51:44 prpplague, mranostay apparently has a canon slr with a crap kit lens attached Jul 17 02:51:52 ahh Jul 17 02:52:11 the best camera is the one you have with you, fine sir! Jul 17 02:52:22 mine just happens to have fuzzies Jul 17 02:52:59 hehe Jul 17 02:53:30 * prpplague trolls the Linux Foundation Raspberry Pi posts Jul 17 02:53:37 i still don't understand LF Jul 17 02:53:45 i still don't understand LF's attitude towards RPi Jul 17 02:54:00 i do: 1 million + users Jul 17 02:54:22 that's a lot of potential annual memberships ;) Jul 17 02:54:56 wmat: yea, but it's like inviting laser tag members to the NRA Jul 17 02:55:02 prpplague, I'm with you on not understanding but do see wmat's point of a big installed base running Linux Jul 17 02:55:20 prpplague: I to agree with you Jul 17 02:55:40 bradfa_: yea but the Pi represent a major ethical violation for _everything_ the LF is suppose to stand for Jul 17 02:55:50 consider the RPi a cheap gateway drug Jul 17 02:55:50 prpplague, oh, I agree Jul 17 02:56:25 but Linux with a bunch of patches and no datasheets and bit NDAs and no upstreaming effort is still better than 1 million more little cheap windows pcs Jul 17 02:56:42 not that TI's really better at the upstreaming these days Jul 17 02:56:49 but that's life Jul 17 02:57:02 bradfa_: so the question is: why isn't LF making better in roads with the so called "RPi foundation" to correct these things? Jul 17 02:57:14 bradfa_: you have a real camera?!?! Jul 17 02:57:20 prpplague, cause the RPi foundation has no pull Jul 17 02:57:25 prpplague: btw, i pinged them again re. our thread and got nothing Jul 17 02:57:26 bcm is big and slow Jul 17 02:57:35 mranostay, oh, of course not Jul 17 02:57:39 bradfa_: pull? i disagree Jul 17 02:57:45 mranostay, I sold my 32mm SLR years ago Jul 17 02:57:57 prpplague, RPi foundation has pull at bcm to get upstreaming done fast? Jul 17 02:58:02 or docs in the open Jul 17 02:58:09 or anything decent? Jul 17 02:58:10 bradfa_: absolutely Jul 17 02:58:28 prpplague, then why is none of that happening afaict? Jul 17 02:58:35 bradfa_: exactly Jul 17 02:58:39 oh, ok Jul 17 02:58:48 recursive argment likes recursively arguing Jul 17 02:58:57 prpplague, are we meeting in 2 minutes? Jul 17 02:59:17 bradfa_: yea just for a few minutes to sync up before tomorrows meeting with jkridner Jul 17 02:59:23 k k Jul 17 02:59:30 * bradfa_ switches channel **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 17 02:59:59 2013