**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 18 02:59:58 2013 Jul 18 03:31:44 Why is there no open jdk opkg binary package? Jul 18 03:32:27 I am trying right now this package: http://community.buglabs.net/kgilmer/posts/251-Java-7-OpenJDK-IcedTea-for-the-BUG-2- Jul 18 03:47:05 anyone know where I can find CFdisk to download? Jul 18 03:50:33 for which distro? Jul 18 03:52:49 ircfreenoodle: try opkg util-linux-cfdisk Jul 18 03:53:02 if you use angstrom Jul 18 03:53:15 well here's what I'm trying to do Jul 18 03:53:33 I want to partition kubuntu onto a 64gb microsd Jul 18 03:54:36 but I want to do all this partition business on my laptop which is windows...and then plug the micro bootable drive into the beagle bone and boot from it Jul 18 03:54:40 which operating system are you running? Jul 18 03:54:48 the beagle is on angstrom Jul 18 03:54:59 but my laptop I think is windows xp maybe? Jul 18 03:55:14 or windows 7 I don't know the difference between those two Jul 18 03:55:39 do you got a kubuntu distribution that was built for the beagle bone? Jul 18 03:58:35 um I don't know Jul 18 03:58:37 Here http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Linux_Distributions you can find a lot of different distros for the BBB(beagle bone black) Jul 18 03:59:00 I wanted to run kubuntu because it's lighter than unbuntu Jul 18 03:59:24 if you use windows, whether win7 or winXP, you should install win32 Disk Imager Jul 18 03:59:47 ok, if i partition a bootable drive would it boot up on the beagle bone? Jul 18 03:59:52 with that program, you can write the images to your uSD card Jul 18 04:00:28 you do not need to partition it, Win32DiskImager does it for you Jul 18 04:01:22 so I could essentially put in USB or Sd card, down load unbuntu/kubuntu images and then win32 will partition those (automatically?) to my drive? Jul 18 04:01:45 do I need dosfstools still? Jul 18 04:02:08 yes, but just if you are using an embedded Linux that was buillt for the BBB. The BBB has an arm-processor. You are probably trying an x86-linux version, which won't work Jul 18 04:02:47 So then I need to use Ubuntu? Jul 18 04:03:08 start by saying I'm very new to linux if you can't tell Jul 18 04:03:34 the images you find on the page I gave you, have two partitions (one boot and one rootfs), Win32 writes this image to your uSD Jul 18 04:04:07 so creating like a second partition for space, and a grub boot file does it also do that? Jul 18 04:05:22 I am not sure about that, if it will provide you the whole 64GB. I always used 8GB and had them available after using Win32 Disk Imager Jul 18 04:05:53 bist du deutscher? Jul 18 04:06:00 nicht so mal Jul 18 04:06:06 ^^ Jul 18 04:06:17 ich bin dumm american Jul 18 04:07:14 MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition is a great tool you could use to partition your SD card once was flashed with Win32imgr Jul 18 04:07:43 You are logged in via a German server ^^ thought so. :) Jul 18 04:07:59 it's 12am here Jul 18 04:08:07 east coast...I work for a German company though Jul 18 04:08:12 Mercedes Benz Jul 18 04:08:20 I am German, but I am in Wisconsin, it is 11pm here :) Jul 18 04:08:28 haha Jul 18 04:08:45 du bist mein fruendin? Jul 18 04:09:02 freund would fit better :) Jul 18 04:09:09 freundin is female, but not bad Jul 18 04:09:12 yeah...like I said...not so much Jul 18 04:09:23 so what do you want to do with your BBB? Jul 18 04:10:10 I'm basically wanting to run it as a desktop PC but with a bootable drive that I can 256bit encrypt as well Jul 18 04:10:14 why don't you just use Angstrom, which is allready installed on your system? Jul 18 04:10:38 I may...I like the unbuntu look better I think, it may be purely asthetics to me I don't know Jul 18 04:11:04 I don't think it's going to work very well.... Jul 18 04:11:12 I built a nice case for it out of plexiglass and I want it to be like a tiny pc that's use friendly Jul 18 04:11:43 cause I have 3 others in the house that are pc illiterate...I'm at least willing to learn though Jul 18 04:11:53 okay, so at the moment there are a lot of different operating systems for the BBB, but most of them have no Graphical user interface preinstalled. I would suggest to use angstrom, because there will be the most support in the internet. Jul 18 04:12:20 Not to mention the ubuntu GUI is a bit resourse intensive. Jul 18 04:12:28 ok, can I download mozilla firefox, tor and enigmail with it? Jul 18 04:12:52 It already has firefox on the Angstom distro Jul 18 04:12:57 if you haven't noticed I like my privacy Jul 18 04:13:04 the BBB got an eMMC chip(2GB) where your angstrom is installed right now. Jul 18 04:13:09 shouldn't be an issue getting the others I wouldn't think. Jul 18 04:13:36 ok what about smoothing out the desktop layout? Jul 18 04:14:11 and does it log keystrokes like ubuntu, if so how do I turn all that off Jul 18 04:14:19 You realize we are talking about hardware that is basically a beefed up cell phone. Jul 18 04:14:34 yes I mean I get all that Jul 18 04:14:59 Even on angstrom which is pretty minimalistic, it still runs pretty slow. Jul 18 04:15:06 but I guess you want to use your uSD card to have more space. The easiest would be to install win32DiskImager and... Jul 18 04:15:19 write this image http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.06.17.img.xz onto the uSD card Jul 18 04:16:14 my purpose is literally surfing the web, e-mail, possibly a media center down the road but maybe not just normal stuff I guess Jul 18 04:16:19 is it slow because of the processor? Jul 18 04:16:29 even just web is slow Jul 18 04:16:38 then you just plug in the sd card into your powered down board. When you turn on, it will boot from your SD. Jul 18 04:16:39 pb what makes it slow? Jul 18 04:16:53 I mean I don't have a huge amount of experience with it, but from just using it a little before swapping over to command line only, it wasn't great Jul 18 04:16:56 tofamin that's what I intended to do... Jul 18 04:17:02 processer and a small ammount of ram Jul 18 04:17:15 512mb ddr3 right Jul 18 04:17:20 yep Jul 18 04:17:30 is that worse than ddr2 Jul 18 04:17:40 no, but its just not a whole lot Jul 18 04:17:56 when you say slow...are you comparing to todays standards Jul 18 04:18:05 or like...back when I was on 56k slow? Jul 18 04:18:15 I'm saying its not a pleasent user experience if you are trying to use it as a "computer" Jul 18 04:18:30 I mean, it works Jul 18 04:18:38 but I would never consider using it as that Jul 18 04:18:41 you bought it for $45 , what do you expect. It doesnt even have a heatsink. By the way I ran benchmarks with it and had better results with cooling the board, so hopefully your plexi glass case has some holes... Jul 18 04:18:58 I have a heatsink installed Jul 18 04:19:12 two more coming for the ethernet chip and so forth Jul 18 04:19:33 thats good Jul 18 04:19:38 but...the plexiglass case is wide open it's just to protect it from damage to the board not prevent airflow Jul 18 04:19:49 like a sandwich with standoffs Jul 18 04:20:08 my board got a bigass active cooling ^^ Jul 18 04:20:18 I need to make me one of those Jul 18 04:20:30 so my wife doesn't smack it on accident. Jul 18 04:20:37 haha ^^ Jul 18 04:20:39 I don't expect much to be honest tofamin...but I want to be able to tool around on it in private even if it lags a bit Jul 18 04:20:47 wasn't hard... Jul 18 04:20:55 Oh I know, I'm just lazy Jul 18 04:21:06 It would be on the bottom of my long list of crap I need to do either way. Jul 18 04:21:20 took the board to lowes and had them cut two identical credit card pieces of plexiglass from 1 sheet that cost 1.98 Jul 18 04:21:33 bought one brass tube in the nuts and bolts section for 1 dollar Jul 18 04:21:38 hey pb_, do you know why there is no open jdk in the opkg? Jul 18 04:21:52 and a pack of 8 4x100 screws with nuts for like 2 bucks Jul 18 04:21:53 I have no freaking Idea, I'm not into this enough yet Jul 18 04:21:58 then dremel and assemble Jul 18 04:22:34 which distros did you try on the BBB, any favorites? Jul 18 04:22:59 Honestly i havent tinkered enough, I just was playing with angstrom for a while. Jul 18 04:23:12 to see if it would work for a "smart" tv type deal Jul 18 04:23:38 Hell, Billybob had to babystep me through building a debian install Jul 18 04:23:38 and what do you think? I didnt try videos on it yet. Jul 18 04:23:48 Not a chance IMO. Jul 18 04:24:11 I bought mine purely to make into a file server for the other media boxes I have in my house Jul 18 04:24:20 Goin to buy a second one to tinker with Jul 18 04:26:01 I got a raspberryPi, which is older and costs just 35$. That one is able to get overclocked via the firmware. Thats not to bad for surfing. Jul 18 04:26:21 I think with Debian it's maybe even faster as the BBB Jul 18 04:26:55 if I use ubuntu that's a debian derivitive right? Jul 18 04:27:12 tofamin: HA funny funny Jul 18 04:27:35 plague what's funny? Jul 18 04:27:51 I think with Debian it's maybe even faster as the BBB Jul 18 04:27:59 why is that funny? Jul 18 04:28:16 because it isn't even close to reality Jul 18 04:28:40 pb just told me the bbb was slow on the net Jul 18 04:29:17 I spent some time in doing benchmarks comparing both boards with each other. Debian Wheezy is a really nice distro. I run it at 1 Ghz Jul 18 04:29:43 tofamin: 1ghz armv6 is no match for 1ghz armv7 Jul 18 04:29:55 ircfreenoodle: yea, amazing what people can say Jul 18 04:30:15 prpplague can you help me with a question or verify the information Jul 18 04:30:16 slow on the net? I said its not an enjoyable user experience Jul 18 04:30:19 thats a bit different Jul 18 04:30:30 so instead of slow on the net, you said it sucks Jul 18 04:30:34 either way Jul 18 04:30:46 I know the BBB has faster DDR3 ram and older arm processor. It must be a question of time till the distros are running better on the BBB. Jul 18 04:30:53 ircfreenoodle: depends on your question Jul 18 04:30:56 * prpplague is tired Jul 18 04:31:05 tofamin: What? Jul 18 04:31:11 tofamin: older arm processor? Jul 18 04:31:18 tofamin: you are smoking crack Jul 18 04:31:30 other way round Jul 18 04:31:36 lol Jul 18 04:31:55 I need to create a bootable microSD card for my BBB Jul 18 04:32:10 ircfreenoodle: fully documented on the wiki Jul 18 04:32:14 I want to run kubuntu on it, but I'm told I have to run ubuntu Jul 18 04:32:34 because there is no distro for it Jul 18 04:32:40 ircfreenoodle: sounds about right Jul 18 04:32:46 also...although I've had the BBB for 2 weeks, I haven't booted it once yet Jul 18 04:32:57 I want to partition the drive on my windows based laptop Jul 18 04:32:57 Why don't you check out the distro thats on it? Jul 18 04:33:00 then plug it in and boot Jul 18 04:33:02 ircfreenoodle: why not use the angstrom distro it ships with? Jul 18 04:33:10 I dunno Jul 18 04:33:17 what's special about angstrom... Jul 18 04:33:34 like I don't know that i'm sold on angstrom...maybe it's great I don't know Jul 18 04:33:49 Is there even a ubuntu image out with a GUI on it? Jul 18 04:33:52 well for starters it's what is tested and shipped with the black Jul 18 04:33:55 A good reason not to use the one it ships with is that the first update breaks it. The later builds of Ångström on BBB are <3 Jul 18 04:33:56 in addition unless I can fully 256bit encrypt the whole BBB then I have no interest in the out of the box distro Jul 18 04:33:56 only one I found was command line only Jul 18 04:34:23 Thihi: that hasnt happened since the first release Jul 18 04:34:28 Angstrom is not bad, but I am really curious which OS will have the largest community in the near future Jul 18 04:34:32 Thihi: and we do regular releases Jul 18 04:34:36 Oh, ok, I got mine like a month ago or so. Jul 18 04:34:53 Thihi: and, most likely the one you got was made 4 months ago Jul 18 04:35:11 Thihi: things don't just get from point a to point b over night, hehe Jul 18 04:35:11 Well, I'm glad you fixed it :) Jul 18 04:35:15 Yeah. Jul 18 04:35:32 ok so run angstrom then? Jul 18 04:35:49 ircfreenoodle: if you want to get started and start understanding things, yes Jul 18 04:35:52 No reason not to try it... Jul 18 04:36:08 pplague, does angstrom log keystrokes out of the box like ubuntu? Jul 18 04:36:16 if so does it have a disable feature Jul 18 04:36:21 is there any adware attached? Jul 18 04:36:35 there is a reason i haven't booted the comp up yet Jul 18 04:36:38 ircfreenoodle: log keystrokes? Jul 18 04:36:44 yes Jul 18 04:36:53 ubuntu has an option to turn off keystroke logging Jul 18 04:37:01 it also has adware on it Jul 18 04:37:13 * prpplague shakes his head Jul 18 04:37:15 thus the reason I wanted a lighter version kubuntu and then disable keystrokes Jul 18 04:37:26 ircfreenoodle: where did you hear that ubuntu has keystroke logging? Jul 18 04:37:30 ircfreenoodle: url? Jul 18 04:37:45 lemme check real quick...there is a wiki how to turn it off, or a video or something Jul 18 04:38:10 prpplague: I am following this steps to install open jdk7. It does not work yet. Could it be, that it needs an older previous installed jre? Jul 18 04:38:29 http://community.buglabs.net/kgilmer/posts/251-Java-7-OpenJDK-IcedTea-for-the-BUG-2- Jul 18 04:38:36 I seem to recall some hoohaa about Ubuntu 12.10 having Amazon as one of the default things you can search from with the Unity launcher thingy. I guess if you add amazon to anything, you'll get lasting logs of anything you search. Dunno if it has anything to do with this. Jul 18 04:38:41 tofamin: sorry no clue, i consider putting java on an embedded device a bad idea Jul 18 04:39:08 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2077932.html Jul 18 04:39:38 hehe, yea bogus info, hehe Jul 18 04:39:47 wel no...read down Jul 18 04:39:57 the second response says he recalls a way to shut it off Jul 18 04:40:05 it logs from your command and sends to advertisers Jul 18 04:40:36 I thought they removed the adverts from 12.14 Jul 18 04:40:39 yea, that is so silly it isn't even funny, not even a real spyware Jul 18 04:40:53 when it comes to privacy nothing is silly to me Jul 18 04:40:59 ircfreenoodle: so to answer your question, no angstrom does not include advertisements nor keystroke loggers Jul 18 04:41:14 ircfreenoodle: yea nor i, but i can tell you that is bogus info Jul 18 04:41:16 ircfreenoodle, you can also just not use the fugly launcher in Ubuntu as well. Jul 18 04:41:20 ok, so it would be safe to install TOR and enigmail on it? Jul 18 04:41:25 I got problems with the resolution on just one specific screen. The other ones work fine, but this one screen I really want to use doesnt display fully the upper and left part of the scrren. Any hints for that problem? Jul 18 04:41:44 tofamin, is there an option on your monitor to turn off overscan? Jul 18 04:42:13 I can check that thanks pb_. Jul 18 04:42:54 tofamin: why are you trying to install jdk7 on the rootfs of the black? Jul 18 04:43:20 1280x720 ; 720x480 and 640x480 is suggested by angstrom Jul 18 04:44:04 as pb__ pointed out, most likely your display has overscan on by default Jul 18 04:45:35 so if I plug in the beagle bone and just let it boot...I basically have a working PC Jul 18 04:45:46 Yes. Jul 18 04:46:46 prpplague, what do you think about the litest window enviroment I can get is ( not using angstorm) LXDE? Jul 18 04:47:30 ok well I'm off to bed guys. Thanks for your assistance, best chat session yet on helping me out Jul 18 04:47:36 seriously thanks! Jul 18 04:47:50 Take care Jul 18 04:47:51 tofamin, aufweidersehen freund Jul 18 04:47:56 Oh thank you guys for the hint with overscan. I guess that's my problem. 6% are missing on the left and upper side Jul 18 04:48:15 aufwiedersehen. viele gruesse an die ost kueste Jul 18 04:48:50 plague...also thank you for the input and guidance I think it will help me. Jul 18 04:48:59 And this I found on the support side of my screen: "The overscan feature is only adjustable when in TV mode; it doesn't affect VGA or HDMI inputs and cannot be adjusted in these modes." Jul 18 04:49:12 gahg Jul 18 04:49:16 thats how my TV is also Jul 18 04:49:41 So that tells me at least that I can stop trying. :D Jul 18 04:50:16 hah Jul 18 04:50:19 * mranostay trolls up Jul 18 04:50:59 Hrm Jul 18 04:51:12 wonder what all I would need to make this thing power a diy cnc mill Jul 18 04:52:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo0W65dMgNM Jul 18 04:53:51 ordered a tt3201 cape Jul 18 04:54:06 time to get my SocketCAN happening :D Jul 18 04:54:24 hi emocakes Jul 18 04:54:48 hey hey mranostay Jul 18 04:55:44 Why is it a bad idea to install java on arm devices? Jul 18 04:56:34 I am learning java right now and just wanted to test my programs on a diffrent system. Why not an arm device? Jul 18 04:57:26 java not even once Jul 18 04:59:31 tofamin why? Jul 18 04:59:47 java should be the same everywhere, no need to test on arm Jul 18 05:00:58 because of the virtual machine right? Jul 18 05:01:48 the virtual machine runs the the code that was compiled for the the JVM Jul 18 05:03:41 yah Jul 18 05:04:38 So I do not know why an arm processor should not run java code. Jul 18 05:12:37 bah Jul 18 05:12:38 it can Jul 18 05:12:43 look at android Jul 18 05:12:46 thats arm Jul 18 05:12:50 and java Jul 18 05:13:12 yes, now jdk7 is running. I dont know why, but I had to install libcups2 a second time. My hello world is on the BBB :) Jul 18 05:14:17 I have no smart phone. do you want to say, that the arm in android does not work that good with it's java? Jul 18 05:19:05 emocakes: and x86 Jul 18 05:19:07 :) Jul 18 05:19:21 one vendor mranostay Jul 18 05:20:27 you could then say android is also in c# Jul 18 05:20:43 touche emocakes Jul 18 05:21:30 my hello world display great on my beagle bone except for my screen resolution problems, that have nothing to do with java. :D Jul 18 05:22:25 more then hello world is coming to tomorrow. good nigth guys :) Jul 18 05:22:26 now learn C Jul 18 05:22:28 a real language Jul 18 05:22:29 :p Jul 18 05:22:37 :P Jul 18 05:23:07 assembly is where the real men are Jul 18 05:23:24 my ARM assembly isnt that flash Jul 18 05:23:30 my x86 is pwnage though Jul 18 05:23:39 my ppc as well is lacking Jul 18 05:23:42 should learn ARM Jul 18 05:24:19 heh ARM is easy :) Jul 18 05:24:32 RISC generally is Jul 18 05:55:12 hello Jul 18 05:55:28 I just received my bbb and I want to use is standalone Jul 18 05:55:39 but I have no usb hub atm Jul 18 05:56:21 is there any keyboard shortcut to call the terminal from the desktop (I have the keyboard connected and I see the desktop on my monitor) Jul 18 05:57:42 oh fuck what a noob I'm OTL Jul 18 05:58:18 with all the excitement I forgot the universal linux CtrlAltF... Jul 18 06:16:55 grüezi Jul 18 06:51:37 <_SY_> Morning Jul 18 07:40:12 moarning Jul 18 07:42:21 JIHAD panto! Jul 18 07:42:42 panto: how is your greek moarning today? Jul 18 07:42:48 too early without a coffee Jul 18 07:43:08 the weather is pissing me off Jul 18 07:43:23 it's less than 30C and windy, I wanted to go to the beach for an early swim Jul 18 08:04:10 panto: poor boy Jul 18 08:04:15 panto: we feel with you Jul 18 08:04:26 panto: now do us all a favor and get yourself a cup of coffee Jul 18 08:04:35 already did Jul 18 08:05:35 good Jul 18 08:05:46 and what's about us? Jul 18 08:05:51 wont you bring us coffee? Jul 18 08:06:38 * dm8tbr throws KotH a few chocolated espresso beans Jul 18 08:07:05 it's frozen espresso coffee Jul 18 08:09:11 .o0(the bad part of #beagle-land is where they throw dark chocolate at you) Jul 18 08:11:00 you can always catch in the air with your mouth Jul 18 08:12:01 LetoThe2nd: "we're from the internet!" Jul 18 08:12:38 dm8tbr: what is this internet everybody is talking about? does it come from the planet of ix? Jul 18 08:13:00 yes and the moon of ct' Jul 18 08:14:39 hrhr Jul 18 08:16:42 lol Jul 18 08:16:54 LetoThe2nd: you aren't german, are you? Jul 18 08:17:14 ok, your name is german...or austrian... Jul 18 08:17:49 KotH: ? Jul 18 08:18:27 LetoThe2nd: well, who but someone from a german speaking country knows ix or ct? Jul 18 08:18:41 LetoThe2nd: and i somehow had the impression you were from farther north Jul 18 08:18:45 KotH: ah. you fail. Jul 18 08:18:55 * KotH fails often, fails early Jul 18 08:18:56 dm8tbr: from that POV, you also fail. Jul 18 08:19:25 KotH: dm8tbr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ix_(planet)#Ix Jul 18 08:19:43 or rather, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ix_(Dune) Jul 18 08:20:08 * KotH failed horribly this time Jul 18 08:20:17 * KotH should have known better Jul 18 08:20:21 * KotH blames dm8tbr Jul 18 08:20:34 KotH: but yeah, i'm german - born, raised and living in central bavaria :) Jul 18 08:20:52 LetoThe2nd: so you are bavarian, not german? Jul 18 08:20:56 ;) Jul 18 08:21:04 KotH: exactly. Jul 18 08:21:11 yappari Jul 18 08:21:39 LetoThe2nd: you should come to lug-camp next year, it will be in freising (or near there somewhere) Jul 18 08:22:38 KotH: give me a reminder when it's about time, then. Jul 18 08:23:00 * KotH will Jul 18 08:23:25 KotH: if you mean the magazines, I know of them as well, and .nl isn't a german speaking country :) Jul 18 08:23:54 koen: ok... do you also know elrad? Jul 18 08:24:42 koen: but, then, .nl might count as an german protectorate Jul 18 08:24:44 ;-> Jul 18 08:25:53 I didn't know about elrad till I googled it just now Jul 18 08:31:54 it's the mother of all computer magazines in .de :) Jul 18 08:41:11 * dm8tbr still remembers the 1000+ pages issues Jul 18 08:41:43 of ct' that is Jul 18 09:39:57 iam having trouble figureing out setting a UART to 250kbaud rate. i know its not a 'common rate', but is there a work around getting it to work on the Black(debian)? Jul 18 09:43:14 flufmnstr, IOSSIOSPEED Jul 18 09:43:20 mileage may vary though Jul 18 09:43:32 err, TIOCSSERIAL Jul 18 09:44:02 custom rates are a pain in general Jul 18 09:44:04 bad on the chip or hit or miss solution? Jul 18 09:44:15 needs driver support Jul 18 09:44:19 ah Jul 18 09:45:02 and not all chips support arbitrary serial rates Jul 18 09:45:08 im trying to run DMX stright out of the board(well atleast the + signal i can make the inverted signal off board with transistors). Jul 18 09:45:49 oooh DMX :D Jul 18 09:46:23 indeed. the goal is to use Blacks as show controlers in a haunted house Jul 18 09:46:41 preferably with as little extra hardware as possible Jul 18 09:47:17 well, why don't you try that ioctl and see Jul 18 09:47:43 hm, florian, is this you http://beagleboard.org/CapeContest/entries/BeagleBone+DMX+Cape/ haha ? Jul 18 09:47:49 we can get ~$25 usbdmx adaptors, but if i can do it with a bit of code an a few $0.05 transistors.... Jul 18 09:48:27 plus 200 hours Jul 18 09:48:36 hehe , well, good luck. Jul 18 09:48:58 teralaser: heh... no Jul 18 09:50:02 teralaser haha. not me. my plan is basically a homebrew version of that cape. just DMX out and some GPIO for buttons and relays. Jul 18 09:50:52 hopefuly max out the mcasp for some creepy surroud sound effects Jul 18 09:54:22 eventually a centeral system to monitor, override and control the controllers. but thats on the back burner. have to makea working unit first Jul 18 10:04:48 dm8tbr: sounds like hongkong makes you try to use your illusion ;) Jul 18 10:05:30 huh, now you lost me Jul 18 10:05:58 "Error: Illigal Image Type." hahaha Jul 18 10:06:01 dm8tbr: mr. smartwatch has a HK lookup Jul 18 10:06:17 aaah Jul 18 10:46:29 is there any opensource omap project? Jul 18 10:48:47 What do you mean by that? Jul 18 10:48:55 omap5 Jul 18 10:49:40 there is an omap5 uEVM and supposedly there is public code for it under open source license Jul 18 10:52:06 thanks dm8tbr Jul 18 10:59:33 dm8tbr: what is the project name actually? Jul 18 11:00:03 check omappedia, that's where I've seen mentions of omap5 code Jul 18 11:11:35 are there any good device tree tutorials on how to get a GPIO setup as an input through to grabbing it in kernel space. or even a driver that does it already Jul 18 11:19:18 dm8tbr: he just doesn't want to listen, obviously Jul 18 11:19:49 LetoThe2nd: he obviously also privmsgd me... Jul 18 11:20:39 dm8tbr: he obviously is mr smartwatch ;) Jul 18 11:23:17 a omap5 in a smart-watch? rrrrright... next thing he'll ask for micro size nucular(sic!) reactors to power it... Jul 18 11:24:25 I've seen ompa3 in a smart-watch Jul 18 11:24:45 I've seen omap4 in a tiny quadcopter Jul 18 11:24:52 http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/8GB-or-16GB-MOTOACTV/79070,en_US,pd.html Jul 18 11:25:07 Same processor as the n900 Jul 18 11:25:15 Also a better designed USB jack. Jul 18 11:30:48 trolls Jul 18 11:30:50 whos trolling Jul 18 11:31:28 * KotH is Jul 18 11:31:47 I found a troll Jul 18 11:31:48 "the already installed gcc is not compatible with compiling for gcc-avr" Jul 18 11:32:35 mrpackethead: i just put a sing with http://attila.kinali.ch/qrcode.png up at work Jul 18 11:32:38 :) Jul 18 11:35:58 the kiwi troll is in Australia tonight Jul 18 11:36:08 rough flight Jul 18 11:38:20 my condolences Jul 18 11:38:26 why did you fly over? Jul 18 11:38:53 I guess swimming was too hard work. Jul 18 11:39:08 got a wedding to go to Jul 18 11:40:22 that's double bad Jul 18 11:40:39 KotH: very nice *saved* *printinqueue* Jul 18 11:45:47 *g* Jul 18 11:51:57 which kiwi? Jul 18 11:55:02 there is more than 1? Jul 18 11:58:46 no, not anymore. i ate the one i had this morning Jul 18 12:06:33 figured it out. you have to patch pyserial to get 250000 baud. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ultimaker/BNjPpoJpfrE Jul 18 12:50:11 I'm not feeling inspired to write this mfd driver. I need a driver writing motivational video or something. Or... I guess I could just listen to Daft Punk, maybe that would work. Jul 18 12:51:06 * georgem curses ADD (the disorder not the instruction) Jul 18 12:59:47 wooo....a few more BBB's with 7" displays are on the truck for delivery! Jul 18 13:00:00 * xenoxaos is a little excited Jul 18 13:01:22 All for you? Jul 18 13:01:37 no...for my team too Jul 18 13:02:14 it's hard to give help with stuff when your alpha board is all kinds of messed up Jul 18 13:02:26 georgem: well, I think a driver writing anti-suicide net might be handy, too Jul 18 13:02:39 and hair protector Jul 18 13:03:02 thick foam padded hat Jul 18 13:03:33 kfoltman: yeah... certainly would help Jul 18 13:04:13 crap .. if you ever forget to lock your session here you're sure to have a "my little pony" desktop picture when you come back Jul 18 13:04:29 das__: I'm sure my daughter would like such a workplace Jul 18 13:04:39 das__: she's very forgetful AND she likes my little ponies Jul 18 13:05:01 but they probably don't hire 7 year olds Jul 18 13:05:30 a shame, isn't it? Jul 18 13:05:34 xenoxaos: Sounds fun. Everything I've been working on is for headless automation stuff so I haven't gotten to play with any of the displays :( (aside from regular LCD monitor) Jul 18 13:05:59 das__: but would you be so kind and give me said background pic? Jul 18 13:06:06 das__: i need to educate the people here as well :) Jul 18 13:06:10 lol Jul 18 13:06:33 KotH: Switch their keyboard layout to Dvorak Jul 18 13:06:50 georgem: those people are not geeky enough to fix that... so it would fall back to me Jul 18 13:07:04 georgem: nah.. annyoing them with my little pony is better Jul 18 13:08:38 .o0(i scared him) Jul 18 13:12:21 People at my office are pretty ruthless and inappropriate. Browser home pages have been set to websites depicting animated gifs of spinning reproductive organs on occasion :/ Jul 18 13:15:21 lol Jul 18 13:16:20 georgem: omg, you should have a lkml-type outcry immediately!!!11! Jul 18 13:16:44 maybe sarah can start a consulting business Jul 18 13:17:19 hasn't everyone seen those pics by now? Jul 18 13:17:44 i mean, they've been on the intarwebz before i knew what internet is, let alone first got onto it Jul 18 13:17:50 okay does anyone know the dimensions of am3359 Jul 18 13:17:58 MFKa: lots of people do Jul 18 13:18:21 KotH: what are the numbers then? Jul 18 13:18:40 MFKa: i didnt say that _i_ know Jul 18 13:18:49 MFKa: but lots of people do know Jul 18 13:18:59 MFKa: and it's a matter of seconds to look those values up too Jul 18 13:20:00 ... Jul 18 13:20:06 anyone interested in TI package dimensions, I keep this in my bookmarks: http://focus.ti.com/quality/docs/gencontent.tsp?templateId=5909&navigationId=12626&contentId=5071 Jul 18 13:20:10 KotH: yeah... the mean age here has been rising here and as you pointed out the shock factor has diminished so things are calming down. Jul 18 13:20:17 MFKa: datasheet, do you read it? Jul 18 13:20:29 georgem: shock factor? Jul 18 13:20:33 georgem: i wonder... Jul 18 13:20:41 KotH: yes but i cant find the dimensions Jul 18 13:20:54 georgem: i think that goatse stuff stopped shocking me a year or two after i figured out how to use a webbrowser Jul 18 13:21:13 MFKa: they are usually at the end of the datasheet Jul 18 13:21:36 KotH: I've working here 16 years so... Jul 18 13:23:07 MFKa: juup, they are there Jul 18 13:24:11 MFKa: note: datasheet, not TRM, ARM, Errata, or anything else Jul 18 13:25:24 georgem: hmm.. i'm not even on the internet that long ^^' Jul 18 13:25:42 georgem: and i'm methusalem compared to mranostay Jul 18 13:26:01 georgem: what are you? an imortal being? Jul 18 13:26:08 immoral Jul 18 13:26:16 yes, that Jul 18 13:26:23 aren't all trolls immoral? Jul 18 13:26:34 isnt that what defines trolls? Jul 18 13:26:42 trolls are amoral Jul 18 13:27:15 what about femoral? Jul 18 13:27:51 KotH: I moved from California to Kansas when I was 12. 14400 bps modem + interwebs was about the best form of entertainment at the time/place Jul 18 13:28:58 hello there Jul 18 13:29:30 I've got a problem with the hdmi-connection on monitor Jul 18 13:30:47 Hey Goge Jul 18 13:31:13 hello Jul 18 13:31:43 I've got a problem with hdmi-connection. Can you help me? Jul 18 13:32:16 Got my beagleboard 2 weeks ago... and maybe have 15 minutes of play time with it : ( Jul 18 13:33:48 Okay... But have you connected it to a monitor in this time? Jul 18 13:33:53 I saw a nice personalized license plate this morning on the drive in. 'TROLLIN' Jul 18 13:35:05 anyone knows a good (and cheap) console server which supports SSH ? Jul 18 13:35:28 felipebalbi: serial console? Jul 18 13:35:36 putty Jul 18 13:36:14 georgem: a console server. Where I can connect many boards' serial ports to, and access the serial port via SSH, remotely, through the console server Jul 18 13:37:11 the ones I found googling are over 1K EUR for 8 ports Jul 18 13:37:12 felipebalbi: we sell stuff like that but its for rugged industrial use so it fails the cheap qualifier. Jul 18 13:37:24 right Jul 18 13:37:31 felipebalbi: ours have 16 ports but they are even more Jul 18 13:37:32 georgem: website anyway ? Jul 18 13:37:48 are they hard to make? Jul 18 13:38:13 felipebalbi: http://www.novatechweb.com/utility/orionlx/ Jul 18 13:38:23 Goge: not really... you could probably 'emulate' one with a bunch of USB-to-serial adapters Jul 18 13:38:30 Goge: but a real product is likely a bit more stable Jul 18 13:39:31 georgem: cool Jul 18 13:39:39 georgem: do they monitor solve voltage, or something ? Jul 18 13:39:53 oh, substation automation Jul 18 13:40:04 felipebalbi: substation and industrial Jul 18 13:40:15 Asked your BeagleBoneBlack for a password after starting with hdmi-connection on monitor? Jul 18 13:41:52 georgem: cool Jul 18 13:42:52 http://www.wti.com/p-170-rsm-8r8-1-console-power-hybrid-ethernet.aspx Jul 18 13:42:56 1200 USD for 8 ports Jul 18 13:42:59 :( Jul 18 13:43:26 thofra: are you just private messaging everybody on #beagle? Jul 18 13:43:51 just random Jul 18 13:44:17 don't. Jul 18 13:44:57 anyway, I'm gone for the day Jul 18 13:44:58 cheers Jul 18 13:45:22 biot: why? I need an answer? Jul 18 13:51:22 is javascript bonescript stable enough to be a valid option for a build or is python Adafruit_BBIO Jul 18 13:51:25 thofra: if you need it that fast, hire someone Jul 18 13:52:32 hello all Jul 18 13:52:33 if I'm looking at a MEAN, (mongo, express, angular, node) it would seem easy to stick bonescript in there. Jul 18 13:52:50 I have something that's really bothering me Jul 18 13:53:02 I was on here last night and thought I had it all cleared up, but now I'm back to square 1 Jul 18 13:55:02 is gpio1_7 used for the MMC? Jul 18 13:55:45 what do I do to flash a micro sd card 64gb class 10 with Ubuntu desktop so that I can just plug and play on the beagle bone? Jul 18 13:56:10 and I have never done that before so assistance to the technical retard would help Jul 18 13:57:45 thechingsw: have you seen this: http://learn.adafruit.com/beaglebone-black-installing-operating-systems/ubuntu? Jul 18 13:59:21 thechingsw: and this: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Ubuntu_On_BeagleBoard_Black? Jul 18 14:00:28 jack no I haven't thank you let me check into that Jul 18 14:00:52 KotH: http://bounia.b.o.pic.centerblog.net/v6rliq0w.jpg Jul 18 14:02:55 KotH: in exchange I'd need to know more about that omap5 smartwatch thingy ... grep'ed the logs to no avail Jul 18 14:08:22 I mentioned an omap3 smartwatch - I assume that's not what you meant Jul 18 14:12:18 there is no omap5 smartwatch Jul 18 14:15:26 If a value is coming out of /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pins as "pin 7 (44e1081c) 0000031" and I've set 0x1c 0x20 in device tree - has something gone wrong or is just what the TI stuff does? Jul 18 14:17:01 or do I seem to keep choosing bad pins, in which case HALP!! Jul 18 14:19:10 exosyst: Is this on BBB? looks like that is used for mmc1_dat7 Jul 18 14:19:25 georgem, Yeah... aww are you kidding? Jul 18 14:20:13 so no matter what I tweak with overlays/DT it's not gonna budge properly? Jul 18 14:21:02 exosyst: well... you probably could change it but then the eMMC won't work. Do you care? Jul 18 14:21:23 Not overly - I will be delivering the course from NFS shares Jul 18 14:21:27 georgem, ^ Jul 18 14:22:11 I'm also not sure if you'd have to remove the eMMC chip or not. I probably would Jul 18 14:22:36 probably easier to use another pin Jul 18 14:22:53 oh sod that then lol. Can you help me pick a safer pin? I have a breakout header board and *all* I want to do is get an interrupt from one and light and LED on another Jul 18 14:26:07 ideally close to GPIO1_7 as I don't have very long wires ... aaah what chaos! Jul 18 14:27:39 exosyst: Look at the list of BBB approved capes, pick a cape and look up the .dts file for the cape. Look what pinctrls its using, those pins should be safe. Jul 18 14:34:46 morning Jul 18 14:34:53 moroning Jul 18 14:35:32 heh i like that Jul 18 14:44:22 mranostay, appropriate for this channel Jul 18 14:45:39 das: domo Jul 18 14:46:02 das: what smartwatch? Jul 18 14:46:24 salut mranostay Jul 18 14:46:28 I dunno someone mentioned it earlier today Jul 18 14:46:39 greetings mdp and alan_o Jul 18 14:46:50 * KotH does not read everything here Jul 18 14:47:00 so KotH, I think regularly now about the time you said, "I wish I could convince my employer to let me replace the C preprocessor with M4" Jul 18 14:47:03 * KotH has mru to do summaries Jul 18 14:47:17 M freak' 4? Jul 18 14:47:21 alan_o: hehe Jul 18 14:47:23 who the hell would do THAT!? Jul 18 14:47:28 o/ Jul 18 14:47:30 and WHY!? Jul 18 14:47:33 because Jul 18 14:47:37 KotH: I was out most of the morning... Jul 18 14:47:37 kfoltman: anyone who wants functionality out of a preprocessor. Jul 18 14:47:39 to fuck with my coworker Jul 18 14:47:47 KotH: that's way too cruel Jul 18 14:47:49 oh, I actually want to do it Jul 18 14:48:04 There's a lot of stuff I'm running into which I wish the C preprocessor would do for me Jul 18 14:48:05 you don't subject anybody to M4 if they're not like, Hitler Jul 18 14:48:20 alan_o: have you seen that "preprocessor tricks" page someone put up lately? Jul 18 14:48:23 on github Jul 18 14:48:23 mru: doesnt matter, there is no entry in 54, so nothing important happend, apperantly ;) Jul 18 14:48:26 you can do a lot more with the C preprocessor once you embrace recursive #include Jul 18 14:48:41 kfoltman: if you read the documentation and try to learn it like you would an acutal programming language, instead of just trying to pick at code others have made, it's quite nice and functional. Jul 18 14:48:44 mru: is the c preprocessor turing complete? i think not Jul 18 14:49:08 I don't think it is Jul 18 14:49:09 kfoltman: that's not a personal attack, but it's the way most have experience with m4. Jul 18 14:49:09 alan_o: and after you got your head around what gets replaced when :) Jul 18 14:49:33 I'm no M4 expert, but I've come to appreciate it. Jul 18 14:49:35 most people have only seen m4 as used by autoconf Jul 18 14:49:40 and to some extent sendmail Jul 18 14:49:46 both are quite horrible Jul 18 14:49:51 alan_o: well, if I have to learn a new programming language, I'd rather pick one that's... not M4 :) Jul 18 14:49:58 mru: I'm not willing to use recursive #include. That's a bit over my line :) Jul 18 14:50:09 your loss Jul 18 14:50:33 alan_o: i first started with m4 to use with the circuit macros package to draw circuit diagrams for latex (or rather program them)... it took me a couple of weeks until i wrote makefile generators with m4 :) Jul 18 14:50:34 kfoltman: that's fine. Do all your code in python then. No preprocessor to use^H^H^H worry about Jul 18 14:50:59 alan_o: well, there are metaclasses Jul 18 14:51:05 if only all the world used lisp Jul 18 14:51:13 not the same as preprocessor, but can also be fairly head-wrecking Jul 18 14:51:24 http://xkcd.com/297/ Jul 18 14:51:25 heh Jul 18 14:51:31 http://xkcd.com/224/ Jul 18 14:51:38 mru: wouldn't there be a worlwide shortage of parenthesis at some point ? Jul 18 14:51:49 mru: *g* Jul 18 14:52:09 KotH, mru: those two immediately came to mind :) Jul 18 14:53:08 alan_o: go ahead with m4, you have my blessing Jul 18 14:53:14 How do i remove a cape from capemgr? I see instructions but they depend on perl for a regex (wtf?) Jul 18 14:53:23 alan_o: and dont listen to those infidels, who have not seen the light yet ;) Jul 18 14:53:34 KotH: it's perl that has a notion of blessing Jul 18 14:53:38 Good book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Little-Schemer-4th-Edition/dp/0262560992 Jul 18 14:54:06 georgem: i somehow never got to learning any lisp/scheme like language Jul 18 14:54:13 georgem: reading them is a total PITA Jul 18 14:54:55 georgem: otoh, it took me about 3 weeks to get erlang to a suficient level... Jul 18 14:55:24 mru: how is m4 perl? Jul 18 14:55:26 KotH: yeah... I learned enough about functional languages to realize they are useful/cool for stuff I don't usually do. Jul 18 14:55:38 KotH: it's not Jul 18 14:55:45 but in perl you can bless things Jul 18 14:55:54 ah.. Jul 18 14:55:56 ok Jul 18 14:56:20 me brain, seems to have a shortage on chocolate supply Jul 18 14:56:49 exosyst: So someone asked that a while ago, panto gave them an answer, I told that person to add it to the elinux wiki at http://elinux.org/Capemgr but they instead put a couple lines at the end of http://elinux.org/BeagleBone#Device_Tree. Do what's in those two lines, then remove them and put them in the CapeMgr page :) Jul 18 14:57:50 exosyst: those two lines are worse than I thought. Ugh Jul 18 14:58:00 alan_o, link? Jul 18 14:58:18 I put those there Jul 18 14:58:23 I don't know where to put them really Jul 18 14:58:29 panto: no Jul 18 14:58:53 there's two lines or so at the bottom of the #Device_Tree section. Jul 18 14:59:20 panto, alan_o Well a start would be to get jadonk to update his test-capemgr page on github :-/ Jul 18 14:59:44 That's where I'm cribbing from and that perl thing in there is sill given that it's just echo - > $SLOTS Jul 18 14:59:47 exosyst: send him something he desires Jul 18 15:00:08 exosyst: at least it's blessed ;) Jul 18 15:00:09 panto: shabaz was the guy's name. Jul 18 15:00:45 exosyst: not sure what cribbing is, but check out the CapeMgr page, and do the echo - to the slots file. Jul 18 15:02:01 Cribbing (US) or crib biting (UK) is an abnormal, compulsive behavior or stereotypy seen in some horses, and considered a stable vice. Jul 18 15:02:10 hmm probably not that one.... Jul 18 15:02:35 alan_o, I meant using for knowledge ala crib sheet Jul 18 15:03:02 urban dictionary: To complain. A mild form of whining. - Hey, I do plenty of that :) Jul 18 15:04:51 exosyst: if you don't mind, giving us some plain english crib text on http://elinux.org/Capemgr would be much appreciated. Jul 18 15:05:07 bbl food Jul 18 15:05:15 en guete Jul 18 15:07:43 alan_o, I can take a looky assuming you weren't being facetious :D Jul 18 15:20:07 anyone used a BBB for a CNC controller? Jul 18 15:26:00 rofl ... there's an official script here that does 'git svn clone $whatever' because ppl don't know how to do that manually Jul 18 15:26:33 exactsteps ftw Jul 18 15:29:05 das: i've seen worse Jul 18 15:29:34 KotH: you've been in 'nam ? Jul 18 15:29:51 das: $CIT dummbed our internally used makefiles down, because they were "hard to understand" and "you should keep things simple enough so everyone can understand them" Jul 18 15:30:02 das: where or what is 'nam? Jul 18 15:30:10 vietnam Jul 18 15:30:29 das: no, .ch is enough Jul 18 15:30:38 and at least we have good chocolate Jul 18 15:31:06 you've been in 'nam usually means you've fought there against vietcongs back in 70s or smth Jul 18 15:31:51 iirc there were turkish troops in the korean war, but not in vietnam Jul 18 15:33:17 * panto reads about the .uk 'heat wave' Jul 18 15:33:26 31C Jul 18 15:33:29 lol Jul 18 15:34:15 hah ... at least the internal official documentation doesn't explain how emacs works because "We've already seen how vim works" Jul 18 15:35:40 and ... oh god they customized zsh with colors and fireworks ... my eyes Jul 18 15:36:43 panto: it's hot for us brits! Jul 18 15:36:59 31C? really? Jul 18 15:37:10 yeah man, it was probably 21C last week! Jul 18 15:37:20 and we were calling that hot! Jul 18 15:37:30 31c? Thats what we call winter here in Texas. Jul 18 15:40:35 panto: once upon a time, in a galaxy far away, i went to hiroshima in summer. and met there a couple of students who were there for the un youth assembly. the guy was a greek the girl a norwegian. the greek and me made a few comments, that the temp in hiorshima wasnt bad, it was just way too humid. the girl couldnt understand us at all :) Jul 18 15:40:52 yes Jul 18 15:41:07 heat is fine, it's the humidity that's bad Jul 18 15:41:24 florida is pretty bad that way Jul 18 15:41:31 isn't it so mr alan_o ? Jul 18 15:42:18 here in southampton is unusually hot, but only uncomfortable if you have to work in the sun or so Jul 18 15:44:12 I would expect you'd enjoy a bit of nice weather for a change Jul 18 15:44:44 I am enjoying it, but I would still definitely call it a heat wave Jul 18 15:45:19 a period with significantly above-normal temperature is a heat wave Jul 18 15:45:34 the absolute temperature of a heat wave varies between regions Jul 18 15:46:14 35C here today, 37C tomorrow Jul 18 15:46:18 using that definition any extended period with temps over 0C is a heatwave in Antarctica Jul 18 15:46:42 do you have a problem with that? Jul 18 15:47:45 there's a human element to it Jul 18 15:48:13 perhaps the definition should include us bags of water definition of what's hot and uncomfortable Jul 18 15:48:46 that's subjective Jul 18 15:48:55 life is Jul 18 15:48:59 and also depends on many other factors Jul 18 15:49:09 like building style Jul 18 15:49:49 When your trousers start dripping from the sweat thats hot :) Jul 18 15:49:55 I give you that Jul 18 15:50:02 but, georgem +1 Jul 18 15:50:28 some buildings trap heat, others stay naturally cooler Jul 18 15:50:37 more sweat drips in the former Jul 18 15:51:17 yes, I was in portland during a heatwave Jul 18 15:51:20 I was so confused Jul 18 15:51:49 hold on, let me put that in quotes, during a "heatwave" Jul 18 15:51:58 heh Jul 18 15:52:15 perhaps the heat is more apparent when you're stoned and unicycling Jul 18 15:52:32 local news was all about what people are doing to "cool off" Jul 18 15:53:16 With pictures of photogenic locals, one assumes. Jul 18 15:53:20 yup Jul 18 15:53:31 also see, 'portland "crimewave"' Jul 18 15:53:40 If you get thirsty - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/07/18/1251243/swedish-machine-turns-sweat-into-drinking-water Jul 18 15:54:02 SpeedEvil, how about no Jul 18 15:55:22 panto: they have much worse machines on the space station Jul 18 15:56:09 yes they do, but I'm not on the space station and relying on it's urine purification unit for survival Jul 18 15:56:59 I complained to someone about the "heat" once and he gave me a nice account of marching all day in full kit in the blazing sun while in Afghanistan. I shutup. Jul 18 15:57:41 I finally got it sorted. Added an entry to the device tree and moved to GPIO1_13 for my interrupts. Also played with pinmgr and DT overlays. Jul 18 15:57:50 What a fun two days... or something Jul 18 15:58:51 Russ, I imagine shots of "very fit" people in whitebeater T-shirts sitting in a baby pool to cool off Jul 18 16:10:49 Baby pool? Cmon, its a tarp in the back of a pickup truck. Jul 18 16:13:46 georgem: cats and motorcycles ftw :) Jul 18 16:14:10 mranostay: ha, thought you'd like that. Jul 18 16:17:29 Russ: yeah portland 'heatwaves' are funny :) Jul 18 16:19:28 mdp: you know you aren't far off their this fountain next to my apartment Jul 18 16:20:00 not sure i'd want to cool down where the homeless bathe exactly Jul 18 16:20:10 snob Jul 18 16:20:17 homeless bathe? Jul 18 16:20:25 kfoltman: rarely Jul 18 16:20:43 * mranostay enjoys that Portland doesn't enforce their camping ban Jul 18 16:21:06 there is a full block of homeless at the City Hall Jul 18 16:21:46 is portland have one of the highest rates of homelessness? or is that just for teens. Jul 18 16:21:58 is=doesnt...type fail Jul 18 16:22:05 pb__: it is Jul 18 16:22:14 less crazy homeless than SF at less Jul 18 16:22:29 just young folks retiring on the streets? Jul 18 16:22:30 Well, SF is hard to beat on that one Jul 18 16:22:33 Yeah. SF is pretty much homeless capital Jul 18 16:23:18 Spirilis, if I remember the article correctly, it was a large chunk of homosexual youth + HIV and drug issues Jul 18 16:23:48 no young folks that are a burden on the working people Jul 18 16:23:49 also had a huge mortality rate compared to other HIV positive populations Jul 18 16:23:52 I read they have a pretty bad high school dropout rate Jul 18 16:24:30 A lot of kids get bored of living with their parents, take a road trip with their friends, run out of money and end up hanging out as homeless people until they get tired of it and have their parents send them a plane ticket home. Jul 18 16:25:18 at least they stay over in the more weird part of the city Jul 18 16:25:37 Sounds like the south side of Austin :) Jul 18 16:26:01 more enablers over there i gather Jul 18 16:26:55 In SF a lot of them hangout near/in golden gate park near the lower Haight. My cousin lives there (he has an apartment though). Jul 18 16:27:07 I lived just north of SF for a long time Jul 18 16:27:23 they are all over. But for sure Golden Gate is a huge congregation. Jul 18 16:27:38 I lived south of it until I was 12, but visit yearly. Jul 18 16:27:49 heh Jul 18 16:28:04 georgem: do you have to get a exit visa to leave Kansas? Jul 18 16:28:30 he just rides a tornado Jul 18 16:29:03 portland would get behind that Jul 18 16:29:07 green transport Jul 18 16:29:11 mranostay: You should... And they should probably take away things like books and give you guns. Jul 18 16:29:41 and bibles Jul 18 16:29:50 +1 Jul 18 16:30:21 implying the bible is not a book Jul 18 16:30:22 mranostay, you remind me why I'm happy here in the Heartland ;) Jul 18 16:30:22 * mru likes Jul 18 16:30:30 If im running cron and have sudo installed, do I need to put sudo in the command lines for scheduling? Jul 18 16:30:46 mru, I think it's an assertion that I find troubling Jul 18 16:31:11 pb__, You shouldn't need to. Depends what user your running cron as - usually it's admin level though Jul 18 16:31:20 *you're Jul 18 16:31:29 Ok, I am running it as root Jul 18 16:31:37 least I'm logged in as root when I set it up Jul 18 16:31:46 try it? Jul 18 16:31:48 any half-decent cron can run jobs as any user Jul 18 16:31:59 I'm just using it to restart samba Jul 18 16:32:17 but...well...you know how sudo is. Jul 18 16:32:23 and it's a good idea to run cron jobs with the least privileges possible Jul 18 16:32:24 its like the damn user account control on win 7 Jul 18 16:41:24 mru: #rootallthings Jul 18 16:41:56 #yolo #userooterrdeh Jul 18 16:42:16 you obviously like owls? Jul 18 16:42:53 I saw one this morning on a bike ride. Quite a beauty to behold. Jul 18 16:43:33 does anyone here have connections to moscow and could arrange snowden to be killed? Jul 18 16:43:47 uh... why? Jul 18 16:43:48 * KotH would like to read what secrets the cia has Jul 18 16:43:58 and it would end this horrible story Jul 18 16:44:08 KotH: I don't you need connections in Russia to get people killed Jul 18 16:44:09 mru: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/snowden-dead-mans-switch/ Jul 18 16:44:19 think* Jul 18 16:44:25 does have to be actually dead or just assumed dead? Jul 18 16:44:44 georgem: i think, not having connections means certain death in moscow Jul 18 16:45:02 mru: i think faked death is good enough Jul 18 16:50:48 * djlewis jaw is waking after a lower wisdom tooth extraction. Jul 18 16:50:56 Th:) Jul 18 16:51:29 i dont think you want your jaw waking up Jul 18 16:51:30 not yet Jul 18 16:52:11 +1 Jul 18 16:52:13 +1 Jul 18 16:54:00 yeah, i know. its been 2 hours Jul 18 16:54:25 * djlewis gets the impression several have had the experience. Jul 18 16:55:10 * SpeedEvil was about to say that that's very racist, then reread. Jul 18 17:24:39 really dumb snowden move. If you have a deadman's switch, let the us government know, but not the world Jul 18 17:26:21 does it not occur to him that its a huge motivation for anyone who wants that information to kill him? Jul 18 17:35:20 hello Jul 18 17:35:49 anything know how create a callback function for GPIO interrup? Jul 18 17:35:52 in C Jul 18 17:41:33 djlewis: get any fun drugs? Jul 18 17:42:20 hello Jul 18 17:42:39 win 38 Jul 18 17:42:52 dgilmore: fail! Jul 18 17:43:00 and that is too many windows :) Jul 18 17:43:30 maybe it's a winchester Jul 18 17:45:11 god why can't google not f*** up gmail Jul 18 17:49:46 mranostay: story of my life Jul 18 17:50:08 mranostay: i have something like 60 or 70 Jul 18 17:50:13 "win 38 beagleboards black!" Jul 18 17:54:00 mranostay: i havent taken yet, hydrocodone-ibuprofen Jul 18 17:54:19 bah, your doctor clearly hates you Jul 18 17:54:27 yay, with a threaded irq handler I can call sync spi functions. Thought I was going to have to use spi_async. Jul 18 17:54:58 djlewis: no vicoden? Jul 18 17:55:00 course, I suppose it depends on how functional you need to be Jul 18 17:55:13 which ironically did nothing for me Jul 18 17:55:16 mranostay, that basically is vicoden Jul 18 17:55:17 yep, I spose so. I dont recall taking any drugs for any of my dental surgery over the years Jul 18 17:55:28 Russ: oh right Jul 18 17:55:55 something like percocet is what I would have requested Jul 18 17:55:59 i forget they make it mostly IB and a little hydrocodone so you can't get high off it :) Jul 18 17:56:15 djlewis: all 4? or just 2? Jul 18 17:56:36 mranostay: I still have three wisdom teeth Jul 18 17:56:38 its usually acetaminophen since that kills your liver faster Jul 18 17:56:40 * mranostay wonders how much $$$$ has gone into his teeth Jul 18 17:57:05 you're in the US, right? so, loads and loads Jul 18 17:57:33 you pay for dental care no matter what country you are in (assuming you actually make money) Jul 18 17:57:37 kfoltman: braces, wisdom teeth pulled, countless fillings Jul 18 17:57:51 Russ: no it is 'free healthcare' :P Jul 18 17:58:24 Russ: sure, it's just that everywhere else people don't go bankrupt over medical costs en masse Jul 18 18:01:01 Hi I have a question about BeagleBoard-xM, Is this platform support linux sleep mode, that could it suspend all processes to RAM and sleep Jul 18 18:01:06 Thanks Jul 18 18:02:15 yes Jul 18 18:07:33 More details about BeagleBoard-xM's sleep mode, How about its power consumption in sleep mode. As far as I know, Android smartphone's power consumption could be under 10mA in sleep mode Jul 18 18:07:38 not as I understand it at very low power though Jul 18 18:09:24 you can get numbers around that, but you have to do hardware mods Jul 18 18:09:37 I've never heard anyone say it uses under 100ma in any condition Jul 18 18:10:02 mine does 8mW Jul 18 18:10:14 :-) Jul 18 18:10:31 what mods? Jul 18 18:11:00 and is this just off, or idle too? Jul 18 18:11:03 let me see, I have pics Jul 18 18:11:08 off mode Jul 18 18:11:23 alaska seems to have found the solution to bad politicians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stubbs_%28cat%29 Jul 18 18:12:27 :-) Jul 18 18:12:58 djlewis: i never had the experience, but i grew up in a family of doctors, nurses and dentists Jul 18 18:13:10 djlewis: i have seen _pain_ Jul 18 18:13:11 DVI and RS232 LDO wired up to REGEN signal so they can be turned off during suspend Jul 18 18:13:32 power LED wired up to same 3.3V source so it's off during sleep Jul 18 18:13:52 clock disable wired up Jul 18 18:13:58 and a new oscillator Jul 18 18:14:16 Russ: so not that bad, but hardly trivial Jul 18 18:16:15 http://i.imgur.com/dL69nhU.jpg http://i.imgur.com/CuMz39Z.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PDstUKm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/cg1Fcbn.jpg Jul 18 18:18:43 hello Jul 18 18:18:50 I think before hardware modes I was at around 80mW, which is still well below 100mA Jul 18 18:18:57 i need to read a sensor Jul 18 18:19:16 SpeedEvil: i'd say this looks trivial :) Jul 18 18:19:18 the comunication is with egde Jul 18 18:19:46 KotH: not for most Jul 18 18:19:46 i have to mesure the time betwen two egde Jul 18 18:19:48 Interrupcc: you need a cell phone for this Jul 18 18:19:58 if the time is > 150 us is 0 Jul 18 18:20:00 oh.. the other edge Jul 18 18:20:08 Interrupcc: you have capture compare units, use those Jul 18 18:20:22 if the time is < 100 is 1 Jul 18 18:20:29 i do it with polling Jul 18 18:20:30 Interrupcc: read TRM for more information Jul 18 18:20:30 Interrupcc: send chocolate for more help Jul 18 18:20:34 no, he doesn't need a cellphone Jul 18 18:20:35 i read the GPIO Jul 18 18:20:48 but a small avr and a GPRS module Jul 18 18:21:14 and detect the falling and rising Jul 18 18:21:20 you might need to use the pru depending on how accurate you need it to be Jul 18 18:21:27 SpeedEvil: well.. i tought "communicating? EDGE? like Enhanced Data rates for GSM Evolution?" Jul 18 18:21:30 SpeedEvil: well... Jul 18 18:21:37 SpeedEvil: gprs modules are hardly small Jul 18 18:21:51 though if I was to be silly I would now note that the n900 external SD card can be switched to gpio Jul 18 18:21:52 Russ: wouldnt the caputre compare be easier? Jul 18 18:22:05 but the problem is that eventualy i lost 1 or 2 edge Jul 18 18:22:11 sure they are small. 30*30*4mm or so is typical Jul 18 18:22:12 suppose it would be Jul 18 18:22:29 i see the signal with osciloscopio Jul 18 18:22:30 I don't think there is a userspace interface to that Jul 18 18:22:32 Interrupcc: dont do it in hardare, use capture compare Jul 18 18:22:36 er.. Jul 18 18:22:40 Interrupcc: dont do it in software, use capture compare Jul 18 18:22:55 Russ: a tiny bit of kernel programming and you're done :) Jul 18 18:22:55 and the operate system have more prioridad than my program Jul 18 18:23:06 ok Jul 18 18:23:09 capture compare Jul 18 18:23:12 in C? Jul 18 18:23:15 under Linux? Jul 18 18:23:39 Interrupcc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_capture Jul 18 18:24:01 20:20 < KotH> Interrupcc: you have capture compare units, use those Jul 18 18:24:02 20:20 < KotH> Interrupcc: read TRM for more information Jul 18 18:24:02 20:20 < KotH> Interrupcc: send chocolate for more help Jul 18 18:24:24 KotH, you might want to be more specific, since the string "capture compare" doesn't appear in the TRM Jul 18 18:25:06 How about Input Capture Output Compare Jul 18 18:25:18 I suppose I could look myself :) Jul 18 18:25:35 ok Jul 18 18:25:37 i undertand Jul 18 18:25:39 but Jul 18 18:25:43 Russ: oh.. well... Jul 18 18:25:44 no buts Jul 18 18:25:52 Russ: i dont know the TRM by heart Jul 18 18:25:53 how can i programe the callback function? Jul 18 18:25:57 you need the PWMSS Jul 18 18:25:58 Russ: never read all of it Jul 18 18:26:03 for read the timestamp Jul 18 18:26:09 just read chapter 15, that's your homework Jul 18 18:26:52 chapter 15? Jul 18 18:27:23 any example for program interrup in beaglebone black? Jul 18 18:27:25 en C Jul 18 18:27:32 Interrupcc: in which year are you? Jul 18 18:27:39 Interrupcc: first? Jul 18 18:27:42 Interrupcc: second? Jul 18 18:27:54 2013 Jul 18 18:28:03 Interrupcc: at your university course Jul 18 18:28:09 i finish Jul 18 18:28:15 oh..kay... Jul 18 18:28:35 Interrupcc: then you have missed all those lectures about this thing called "reading" Jul 18 18:28:39 Interrupcc: You don't just get an interrupt function called from userspace. Jul 18 18:28:55 Interrupcc: interrupt is a hardware concept, handled in the kernel. Jul 18 18:29:10 yes i undertand alan_0 Jul 18 18:29:17 Interrupcc: if you want to learn about interrupts, read Linux Device Drivers, 3rd Edition. Jul 18 18:29:34 Interrupcc: so what's the question? Jul 18 18:29:35 but it the same of GPIO, the people do it with comand line Jul 18 18:29:43 but really, depending on what you are doing, you want to leverage the pwm subsystem, or the prus Jul 18 18:29:47 i read or write directi the register Jul 18 18:29:49 that'll give you accurate times Jul 18 18:29:52 with memory map Jul 18 18:29:58 Interrupcc: don't read directly the registers with memory map Jul 18 18:29:59 it is more fast Jul 18 18:30:16 * KotH shakes had and leaves to clean the kitchen Jul 18 18:30:21 Interrupcc: it shouldn't matter how fast GPIO is, unless you're bit-banging a protocol, which you shouldn't be doing. Jul 18 18:30:31 that doesn't really give you any advantages in userspace because you'll get pre-empted anyway Jul 18 18:30:35 i need us timer Jul 18 18:30:41 10 us Jul 18 18:30:45 ok Jul 18 18:30:47 listen Jul 18 18:30:52 Interrupcc: you're not going to get that from userspace anyway, gpio. or memory map or not. Jul 18 18:30:55 "depending on what you are doing, you want to leverage the pwm subsystem, or the prus" Jul 18 18:31:06 that's what those are for Jul 18 18:31:17 ^^ and/or the Input capture/output compare Jul 18 18:31:24 alan_o, that's pwmss Jul 18 18:31:37 the system work well, but i have the problem 1 times or 2 times Jul 18 18:32:03 clearly you are too far advanced for us to help you Jul 18 18:32:04 Interrupcc: do you believe the hardware to be failing? Jul 18 18:32:24 Interrupcc: or do you believe there's a race condition in your code? Jul 18 18:32:33 i want to read this sensor http://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/datasheets/Sensors/Weather/RHT03.pdf Jul 18 18:33:58 there is my problem Jul 18 18:34:09 the time of read is to low Jul 18 18:34:41 read the sensor with command line is not posible Jul 18 18:35:06 so, for the moment i can send the start signal and read more or less the byte Jul 18 18:35:10 the bits Jul 18 18:35:23 but 1 or 2 times fail Jul 18 18:35:33 ok, you are trying to bitbang a proprietary 1-wire protocol Jul 18 18:35:44 beacause the kernel linux have more priority than my process Jul 18 18:35:47 I think you need to use the pru Jul 18 18:35:57 and lost 1 or 2 edge Jul 18 18:36:23 why on earth did you buy a sensor that uses a proprietary 1-wire interface? Jul 18 18:36:40 Interrupcc: what I would recommend, is to instead use a sensor which speaks a protocol that the Beagle has built-in peripheral hardware to communicate with. Jul 18 18:36:45 i don´t know.... Jul 18 18:37:11 Interrupcc: for $10 you could probably get something similar which has SPI/i2c/uart and be much closer to being done. Jul 18 18:37:36 so, this problem don´t have solutions? Jul 18 18:37:39 Sometimes boring stuff like hardware selection can be the most important part of engineering :) Jul 18 18:37:43 hello Jul 18 18:37:51 those kinds of sensors are used in arduino land I think Jul 18 18:37:53 your problem is that you'd like to measure humidity Jul 18 18:38:11 you can program learn to program the beaglebone pru to speak this one wire protocol Jul 18 18:38:25 or you can buy a sensor that speaks a protocol the beaglebone already understands Jul 18 18:38:28 Interrupcc: Lots of things are possible. As Russ keeps saying, use the PRU and make it happen, if you want a challenging exercise. If you want something to work quickly, get something better supported. Jul 18 18:38:29 so you have two solutions Jul 18 18:38:47 i prefer program Jul 18 18:38:55 i don´t want to buy other sensor Jul 18 18:38:58 hi! Jul 18 18:38:59 Interrupcc: then read the chapter on the PRU :) Jul 18 18:39:03 pru is the solution Jul 18 18:39:05 link? Jul 18 18:39:12 ok Jul 18 18:39:16 alan_o, have you checked the trm lately? there isn't a pru chapter Jul 18 18:39:23 av500: Just connected thru usb cable android to BBB!!! Yes! Jul 18 18:39:26 well there is, but it's one page long Jul 18 18:39:42 av500: using ubuntu 13.04 Jul 18 18:39:54 Russ link? Jul 18 18:40:03 Interrupcc, plenty of great weblinks when you google beaglebone pru Jul 18 18:40:04 for read pru Jul 18 18:40:05 Russ: no, hehe :) I made the assumption. Well then Interrupcc, get on google and find some info on the PRU. Jul 18 18:40:09 ol Jul 18 18:40:11 ok Jul 18 18:40:38 someone can help me with wlan on ubuntu 12.04 i do a static ip thats work. the problem is a second ip over dhcp is taken too Jul 18 18:41:07 and one board with 2 ip is not so nice ;) Jul 18 18:42:12 Hi Russ, If I don't modify the hardware, How low power consumption I could do with BBB? Thanks Jul 18 18:42:45 I thought you were asking about xM? Jul 18 18:44:46 Yes Jul 18 18:45:20 and BeagleBone Black Jul 18 18:48:08 they are two very different boards with very different SoCs Jul 18 18:48:48 technically, you can get the BBB very low using RTC-only suspend, but that isn't supported in mainline currently Jul 18 18:49:52 joergsh: disable network manager Jul 18 18:50:08 joergsh: but i guess #ubuntu would be a better place to ask this type of question Jul 18 18:52:15 meh next ISCAS is in melburne..... sometimes i wonder why i didnt go into research, then i would have the uni paying for my trips around the world Jul 18 18:53:53 suspend numbers on bbb shouldn't be too bad Jul 18 18:54:07 Hi Russ, If I suspend-to-RAM BBB it will consume very low and could be wake up by rtc interruption just like Android smartphone? Jul 18 18:54:23 rtc-only on bbb has a very limited number of wake sources Jul 18 18:55:07 if you just need a power button or rtc type wake, you'll be fine Jul 18 18:56:32 yes I just need BBB's power management like smartphone, could be suspend to RAM and wake up by power button or RTC interruption Jul 18 18:56:54 ok, smartphones have a lot more wake sources than that afaik Jul 18 18:58:49 KotH: on my x86 ubuntu it works without problem... only on arm do that how to disable networkmanager? Jul 18 18:59:09 joergsh: no idea Jul 18 18:59:13 joergsh: i dont use it Jul 18 18:59:37 joergsh: if the same works fine on your x86.. then it's maybe not the network manager Jul 18 18:59:44 joergsh: as i said, ask in ubuntu Jul 18 19:00:06 joergsh: it's most likely that different (user space) systems interfere in setting up the network interface Jul 18 19:00:12 ok i will try there Jul 18 19:27:36 * mranostay shakes KotH Jul 18 19:34:21 * KotH gives mranostay a piece of chocolate Jul 18 19:34:48 KotH: thanks for the Hersheys Jul 18 19:35:00 you are welcome Jul 18 19:36:47 * georgem is starting to think the "mf" in "mfd" doesn't stand for multi function Jul 18 19:37:47 and the d for device? Jul 18 19:37:54 +1 Jul 18 19:38:57 highfive, georgem Jul 18 19:39:45 * mranostay makes some chocolate beer Jul 18 19:39:50 * mranostay hands to KotH Jul 18 19:39:56 arr Jul 18 19:47:15 KotH: do they make chocolate sparkling wine? Jul 18 20:01:55 av500, around? Jul 18 20:04:27 mranostay: yes we have that, it's right next to the chocolate foutain Jul 18 20:19:36 mranostay: do youngsters these days know the difference between a cosmonaut and an astronaut? Jul 18 20:20:02 Hopefully Jul 18 20:20:26 * KotH wouldnt be so sure Jul 18 20:21:02 i mean, it's a difference that has no meaning in this world anymore Jul 18 20:21:07 KotH: Aren't they all kind of cosmonauts these days anyway. Jul 18 20:21:15 yay! Jul 18 20:21:26 go my SPI working :D Jul 18 20:21:28 got* Jul 18 20:22:52 KotH: Until everyone stops relying on Soyuz anyway... Jul 18 20:22:59 *g* Jul 18 20:23:24 can I ask one last silly question (for a while)? Jul 18 20:24:20 you asked your question alraeady Jul 18 20:24:50 :P I want to backup my emmc, so I "dd if=/mmcblk1 of=/some/path/file.img" Jul 18 20:25:12 in the end, my image is 1.5G, but the drive itself is 1.8G Jul 18 20:25:38 how's this? Jul 18 20:26:27 gui_: it shouldn't be Jul 18 20:26:43 should I dd again? Jul 18 20:27:35 oops, there's an error I didn't catch Jul 18 20:27:39 Not enough details... What are you dding the image to. Does it have enough free space Jul 18 20:27:48 :) Jul 18 20:27:58 no space left Jul 18 20:28:13 I'm copying it to an empty sd card plugged into USB Jul 18 20:28:26 it's 4GB formatted as fat32 Jul 18 20:29:01 afaik, fat32 can handle files up to 4GB, right? Jul 18 20:29:02 cosmonauts are commie astronauts right? Jul 18 20:29:13 mranostay: yup Jul 18 20:29:51 mranostay: is that still common knowledge? Jul 18 20:30:00 i think so Jul 18 20:31:09 Ever seen the movie Borat? Kazakhstan is where all of our astronauts are launched to the ISS now :( Jul 18 20:31:53 well, at least tehy still have a space program ;) Jul 18 20:32:04 I'm so idiot... I forgot to mount the drive Jul 18 20:32:08 KotH: bite me Jul 18 20:32:23 KotH: Thats the sad part Jul 18 20:32:23 * mranostay kicks on Team America theme Jul 18 20:32:24 sorry, you are not hellal Jul 18 20:32:36 heh. Love that song Jul 18 20:33:35 Its okay, Space X will fix it Jul 18 20:34:30 look at that: Brazilian government has just opened their official social network Jul 18 20:34:42 and there's already a anti-Dilma community Jul 18 20:35:20 georgem: i just hope japanese take over...because then we'll send 14y old girls into space to save humanity from a dire fate :-) Jul 18 20:35:39 das__ my fav is this image edited with a folder labeled 'porn' in his line of sight. http://cache.desktopnexus.com/thumbnails/258260-bigthumbnail.jpg Jul 18 20:36:03 whoa, disregard that. ultra mega scroll back Jul 18 20:36:28 KotH: Sounds like the start of an Anime Jul 18 20:37:12 georgem: half of the space anime start of like that Jul 18 20:37:13 :) Jul 18 20:37:16 :) Jul 18 20:37:17 gui_: what is the brazil equiv of the NSA? :) Jul 18 20:37:31 idk Jul 18 20:37:35 what does NSA stand for? Jul 18 20:37:42 no such agency Jul 18 20:37:46 dammit KotH Jul 18 20:37:48 haha Jul 18 20:38:02 mranostay: you're too slow ;) Jul 18 20:38:20 national security Jul 18 20:38:23 lemme think Jul 18 20:38:32 secret service Jul 18 20:38:48 no, that's the CIA Jul 18 20:38:53 or more "we are not bound by laws at all" :) Jul 18 20:39:00 or maybe National Surveillance Agency Jul 18 20:39:09 gui_: both are secret services Jul 18 20:39:28 THE secret service is a seperate brance. Jul 18 20:39:30 gui_: iirc cia is mostly domestic, while the nsa is mostly foreign Jul 18 20:39:42 KotH: nope Jul 18 20:39:48 note? Jul 18 20:39:51 er.. Jul 18 20:39:51 not? Jul 18 20:39:59 * KotH goes back to wikipedia Jul 18 20:40:00 well... we have ABIN Jul 18 20:40:17 Brazilian Intelligence Agency Jul 18 20:40:46 btw, got my full image now :) Jul 18 20:40:55 1920991232 bytes (1.9 GB) copied, 411.469 s, 4.7 MB/s Jul 18 20:42:04 4.7 Mb/s?! Jul 18 20:42:13 yes :S Jul 18 20:42:17 too fast? too slow? Jul 18 20:42:18 dang you Jul 18 20:43:18 mine never goes over 2.2 Jul 18 20:43:42 I was copying from one drive to another Jul 18 20:43:47 not the same Jul 18 20:44:24 KotH: NSA is mainly signals intelligence while CIA is traditional intelligence. We have too many agencies/bureaus in this country. Jul 18 20:44:38 hi folks ... i know this is the #beagle channel but wanted to ask for some unbiased (if possible) advice for choice of device ... beaglebone black ... pcduino ... odrion ... etc Jul 18 20:45:02 beaglebone Jul 18 20:45:04 id like to run 4 usb cams possibly off a hub off the board Jul 18 20:45:14 mjpg-streamer ... to my zm box Jul 18 20:45:17 because i've never heard of pcduino or odrion Jul 18 20:45:29 oh theres lots of others too Jul 18 20:45:39 damn when theres too much choice! Jul 18 20:45:44 :) Jul 18 20:45:47 georgem: juup.. just read the wiki articles of both Jul 18 20:45:55 what's the total bandwidth of the cameras? Jul 18 20:46:15 more a case of the usb b/w they reserve when the drivers load Jul 18 20:46:41 ive found most usb buses handle 4 of them pretty much at any setting Jul 18 20:46:52 but cant handle 5 Jul 18 20:47:25 the bus might handle, but I was wondering if you could process all the data you need in time Jul 18 20:47:47 i used to run 4 usb cams on a sheevaplug ... and zoneminder too Jul 18 20:48:01 idk what you're talking about Jul 18 20:48:26 zoneminder ... security cam s/w ... motion detect ... etc Jul 18 20:48:54 http://www.zoneminder.com/ Jul 18 20:49:07 opensource ofc Jul 18 20:49:08 :) Jul 18 20:49:14 nope... never worked with that stuff Jul 18 20:50:07 comparing the BBB to other devices ... at this stage i dont need (many/any) i/o ... just usb tbh Jul 18 20:50:21 in fact, I'm still a beginner with the BBB, so don't rely on my answers :P Jul 18 20:50:33 but zm can be quite heavy on resources ... esp motion detect Jul 18 20:50:42 np gui_ ... any conversation helps Jul 18 20:50:45 :) Jul 18 20:51:17 how about trolling? Jul 18 20:51:38 i'd say you should determine how much CPU and/or ram you will need Jul 18 20:51:54 then choose the device that better fits your needs Jul 18 20:52:34 if more than one do, see which has better documentation/community stuff, which is easier to use (for you) Jul 18 20:52:38 sure ... but i was hoping for a few pointers to shorten my learning / reading curve :) Jul 18 20:53:20 why do you want a small board? Jul 18 20:53:37 so i can put small boxes where the usb cams are Jul 18 20:53:42 or rather.. do you want it small, cheap, low power or all of the above? Jul 18 20:53:49 I believe that RaspberryPI and BB are the two most common, with large userbases Jul 18 20:53:51 i have found i can extend usb cables to about 7m Jul 18 20:54:12 all of the above :) Jul 18 20:54:19 21ft? Jul 18 20:54:23 u using an active cable? Jul 18 20:54:29 nope :D Jul 18 20:54:47 that will be very board specific Jul 18 20:54:56 the cams crash occasionally if i have a mains spike but on the whole stable Jul 18 20:55:12 its maybe the cheap hubs ive got them on ... Jul 18 20:55:27 20cm to the hub ... then between 5 and 7 m to each cam Jul 18 20:55:28 try a line filter Jul 18 20:55:45 aye gui_ happens but 1x or 2x a year so not v bothered Jul 18 20:55:55 jzaw: security cams? Jul 18 20:56:12 yes mranostay ... but they are standard usb UVC cams Jul 18 20:56:27 moded to remove the IR filter ... and i have IR illumination for night vision Jul 18 20:56:43 * mranostay gets his burglar bag Jul 18 20:56:53 at least ill see you comming :D Jul 18 20:57:05 not when they crash you won't Jul 18 20:57:12 true Jul 18 20:57:19 but they dont all crash at once when they do Jul 18 20:57:20 jzaw: that won'thelp that much if you get flooded with IR Jul 18 20:57:29 cheap webcams don't have dynamic range Jul 18 20:57:42 * mranostay gets a few IR lasers Jul 18 20:57:57 im sure theres a way to knock out any cam Jul 18 20:57:59 jzaw: you may want to check out OLinuXino A20 as well.. it has dual core, 3 usb I think and SATA Jul 18 20:58:19 if you want to store video locally for example Jul 18 20:58:19 just plan some solar powered IR beacons in the day time Jul 18 20:58:22 plant Jul 18 20:58:27 vaizki, thanks looking ... any thoughts on the odroid ? 4core ! Jul 18 20:58:42 ocean's eleven nerd style? Jul 18 20:58:50 no thought.. does it even exist yet? Jul 18 20:59:01 jzaw, do you intend to store the images? Jul 18 20:59:12 why not use a ehternet cam Jul 18 20:59:21 ds2: you have the EMP device? Jul 18 20:59:27 ethernet cams are expensive Jul 18 20:59:37 g'night Jul 18 20:59:41 i already do gui_ on the box that runs zm 4TB Jul 18 20:59:50 mranostay: you had it a few months ago Jul 18 21:00:01 vaizki__:what are you calling expensive? Jul 18 21:00:10 this is more about hosting the usb cams themselves mjpg-streamer is vvvvv light on resources tbh ... other than the usb bus Jul 18 21:00:52 pan/tilt Wifi/ethernet cams were about $60ish only Jul 18 21:01:58 aye .. each... and there are some nice models out there .. running something like a BBB i can have 4 cams for about that price ... though admittedly not ptz Jul 18 21:03:10 ds2: ok I haven't seen them that cheap myself.. Jul 18 21:03:59 my ethernet cams are panasonic outdoor models, they were definitely more than $60 ;) Jul 18 21:07:10 Howdy - I'm trying to update the eMMC on the BBB I just got - for starters, the link for the imaging program is broken, but I found it anyway, when I get to the point of flashing it from the MicroSD card, the instructions say it would take a while - how long is a while? Jul 18 21:08:05 40mins? Jul 18 21:08:14 Really? OK...Thanks... Jul 18 21:08:34 well not sure, I've never done it Jul 18 21:08:43 but I remember reading something like that Jul 18 21:08:53 it does take awhile Jul 18 21:09:08 I've no idea why it takes so long Jul 18 21:09:16 It'd be nice if it had some sort of web GUI while it was flashing, but I guess that's not really possible, since the web GUI is part of what's getting flashed... Jul 18 21:09:25 gosh that does seem long ... good to know though Jul 18 21:10:08 I use arch myself.. no flash-updates for me Jul 18 21:10:23 I used to work on a similar device - it had a debugger then the main code. You would flash either, but the debugger was only flashed when required. Otherwise the debugger gave the GUI during the flash. Jul 18 21:10:38 Lancey: but the flasher works by booting linux off the uSD card and then overwriting the eMMC so yes it could offer a gui Jul 18 21:11:06 But doesn't - the BBB appears to be dead to the world, so far, except for the LEDs flashing... Jul 18 21:11:20 GUI doesn't respond, and it doesn't show up as a storage device. Jul 18 21:11:21 well at least there's the leds.. Jul 18 21:11:46 vaizki__: Yes, but there's no difference apparently in the flash pattern when it's flashing versus when it's not... Jul 18 21:12:10 I think all the leds stay lit without flashing when it's done Jul 18 21:12:25 Actually, slight difference - USR 3 is pulsing with 2 pulses at a time, USR 0 on solid, USR 1 flashing like activity is going on, USR 2 out... Jul 18 21:12:30 again, I just read that.. never tried it Jul 18 21:13:40 Also, has anyone gotten PERL to work on it? Jul 18 21:16:24 [root@eskar-bbb ~]# perl -v Jul 18 21:16:25 This is perl 5, version 18, subversion 0 (v5.18.0) built for armv7l-linux-thread-multi Jul 18 21:16:29 seems like I have Jul 18 21:16:41 Very cool... Jul 18 21:17:02 seems like it's part of base Arch Jul 18 21:18:27 with Arch you're on the bleeding edge ;) Jul 18 21:18:41 I think it's loading Angstrom, though... Jul 18 21:18:58 at least feels that way, running kernel 3.8.13-7 now Jul 18 21:19:40 How hard is it to get an LCD cape to work? Jul 18 21:19:50 54 Jul 18 21:20:04 42 Jul 18 21:20:33 26 Jul 18 21:21:19 vaizki: about $70... I have seem cheaper but right now... http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=NCZ550W&cat=VID Jul 18 21:45:41 mru, 54 on a scale of 1 to 10 Jul 18 21:51:09 which is twice as many as 26 Jul 18 21:52:06 * mru notes that kfoltman can do addition Jul 18 21:52:53 no, I just read about this somewhere... some insect site Jul 18 21:59:33 How can I use my micro sd card for storage on the bbb? Can I move and install programs to it? Jul 18 21:59:37 kfoltman, http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/206 Jul 18 21:59:59 Willdude123, no Jul 18 22:00:22 ka6sox: ok, that's not something I should really be ashamed of :) Jul 18 22:01:19 kfoltman, memorialized is all. Jul 18 22:01:25 kfoltman: you should be proud to have made it onto The List Jul 18 22:01:42 kfoltman, +1 Jul 18 22:02:12 ka6sox: Why not? My bbb is complaining that there isn't enough hdd space. Jul 18 22:03:10 Willdude123: assuming you're running some kind of linux, the sd card is just another block device Jul 18 22:03:30 you can do with it whatever you can do with block devices on any linux Jul 18 22:04:00 the issue is that when it recognizes the eMMC as the boot device...the SD disappears.... Jul 18 22:04:03 Hi, I want to control Agilent device (spectrum analyzer) with beaglebone. I wrote the program to control agilent device in text (bunch of commands). I somehow want to find out how to send those commands using beaglebone through ethernet cable to agilent device. Agilent device has an IP address. First step is to connect to that IP address and then send the command text one by one. Thanks for the help. Jul 18 22:04:09 its either a kernel bug or something else. Jul 18 22:04:30 ka6sox: blame systemd Jul 18 22:06:10 it is a feature, IIRC Jul 18 22:06:14 had that happen on another SoC Jul 18 22:06:25 seems fucked up to me Jul 18 22:06:35 kfoltman: they say you always remember the first time...cherish the moment Jul 18 22:06:47 well, it means you can't fix your mmc content when you emergency boot from emmc Jul 18 22:07:08 which is a pain, especially if you lost your microsd reader Jul 18 22:07:38 mdp: (-: Jul 18 22:07:47 you can change a config option to change that(IIRC) Jul 18 22:08:11 by changing the kernel command line or is there a runtime way too? Jul 18 22:12:20 texan, private message Jul 18 22:20:46 should I use netcat for sending a text to an ip address using ethernet? Jul 18 22:24:06 texan, google socket example python Jul 18 22:25:51 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=socket+agilent+python Jul 18 22:26:05 private messages i sense plotting Jul 18 22:26:32 yes, trying to keep off topic out of here Jul 18 22:26:49 mranostay: I find public shaming most efficient in those situations Jul 18 22:26:55 hardly a #beagle specific thingy Jul 18 22:27:06 wtf does that mean? Jul 18 22:27:16 with some verbal abuse? Jul 18 22:27:23 you must have found the one thing in the universe we _don't_ discuss here Jul 18 22:27:31 =) Jul 18 22:27:32 so please tell us what it is Jul 18 22:27:38 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=socket+agilent+python Jul 18 22:27:53 which will of course immediately invalidate that property Jul 18 22:28:04 Gentlemen don't discuss spectrum analyzers in public. Jul 18 22:28:42 Spectrum analyzers have a tendency to show fallo-symbolic-like graphs Jul 18 22:28:51 ;) Jul 18 22:28:53 real men analyse spectrums in ascii-art Jul 18 22:28:59 Crofton|work: ^^ Jul 18 22:29:15 ur impulses are imperfect. go fix them Jul 18 22:29:31 what was that ascii ping-plotter that is so nice Jul 18 22:29:51 matts ping Jul 18 22:30:22 mtr Jul 18 22:30:28 I wrote the code in C and I do not know Python. Can I use the C code and send it to that IP address? Jul 18 22:30:30 matts trace route Jul 18 22:31:03 hi everybody Jul 18 22:31:15 texan, will you ask us to google that for you as well? ;) Jul 18 22:31:34 I have a question because I think I have broken my board Jul 18 22:31:36 thanks Jul 18 22:31:46 dont worry texan Jul 18 22:32:13 I think it is easier for you to do it in js or python Jul 18 22:32:14 I have just updated the las angstrom version and there is no more beaglebone folder in the desktop and I can't connect with it Jul 18 22:32:51 thanks for the help Jul 18 22:32:53 mru, have you tried mtr? Jul 18 22:33:24 mtr as in the hong kong metro, yes Jul 18 22:33:50 mtr as in my-trace-route? Jul 18 22:33:54 they also operate the stockholm metro Jul 18 22:34:32 mru: there is some irony in that Jul 18 22:34:50 they're doing a decent job Jul 18 22:35:02 matt's traceroute can plot histograms in ascii, very nicely Jul 18 22:35:11 better than the french company they took over the contract from Jul 18 22:35:23 and they again were better than the locals Jul 18 22:36:30 http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ Jul 18 22:36:40 mtr > * Jul 18 22:37:12 I dunno, the tokyo metro runs rather smoothly too Jul 18 22:39:32 mru: sweds can't run trains? :) Jul 18 22:39:46 mranostay: some can Jul 18 22:40:07 the stockholm airport express train is nice Jul 18 22:42:35 I never go by train if timing is critical Jul 18 22:45:18 depending on the country, train is often the most reliable option Jul 18 22:45:23 otherwise I kinda like the possibilty to do some work or reading Jul 18 22:45:23 * Gaston|Home lives in .se Jul 18 22:47:44 mru: being in the US.. what is a train? :) Jul 18 22:48:57 * mranostay has been doing the bike + MAX thing a bit Jul 18 23:11:39 mranostay, bike means motorcycle over here Jul 18 23:12:47 now taking a motorcycle onto MAX would be silly :) Jul 18 23:13:46 nothing is too silly there Jul 19 00:13:50 Hi roomies! Jul 19 00:14:19 anyone have any luck with getting LIRC to work on your BBB? Jul 19 00:14:56 BTW I am running Debian Jul 19 00:15:49 that still exists? Jul 19 00:16:10 Debian? Jul 19 00:16:36 LIRC is still around Jul 19 00:17:15 I was able to get it to work on the Raspberry... no luck on BBB Jul 19 00:19:18 what device? Jul 19 00:20:17 ooops... hit the wrong button :-) Jul 19 00:20:32 too many buttons on my keyboard :-) Jul 19 00:21:32 ds2: BBB BeagleBone Black Denian Jul 19 00:21:50 no, what device do you want LIRC to control Jul 19 00:21:52 a IR LED? Jul 19 00:21:55 something on USB? Jul 19 00:22:12 output GPIO only... IR to cable box Jul 19 00:22:18 i have the codes Jul 19 00:22:28 what problem do you have? Jul 19 00:22:30 i dont know how to write a kernal to the GPIO Jul 19 00:23:12 I dont know how to set LIRC to wwork on GPIO on the BBB Jul 19 00:23:26 didnt know if anyone had any luck Jul 19 00:23:37 same way as any ohter board Jul 19 00:23:45 (assuming same kernel version) Jul 19 00:24:25 MODULES="lirc_rpi" Jul 19 00:24:44 the module for RPI didnt work Jul 19 00:25:07 i tried lirc_rpi gpio_in_pin=23 gpio_out_pin=22 Jul 19 00:26:39 oh they did not use stock stuff Jul 19 00:27:49 i'm sure i will get it someday Jul 19 00:27:53 :-( Jul 19 00:27:54 Its a pity BB Ångström dont have vnc -server. Anybody here tested any X apps on it (somehow)? Jul 19 00:28:11 ds2: that is not the way of the pi Jul 19 00:28:42 forgot about the irrationality Jul 19 00:29:30 lol detroit Jul 19 00:29:52 Virginia in the room Jul 19 00:32:19 Once I get LIRC to work... I will be plaing with Zig Bee Jul 19 00:32:33 Zig Bee looks cool Jul 19 00:32:44 it does Jul 19 00:32:48 lots of possibilities Jul 19 00:33:51 ble Jul 19 01:03:22 noticed that the default Debian verion for BB, doesnt have any vnc -server (for remote graphic login) neather. And a google search suggested Ångström had a bad port Jul 19 01:38:15 I would like to have my BBB running Angstrom to communicate with the ZigBee wireless protocol. Without a cape, I wired an XbeeAdapter to UART1 on the BBB in the following sequence: RX to P9_24, TX to P9_26, CTS to P9_19, DTR to P9_20, 5V to P9_3 GND to P9_1 --- I would like to run minicom, but I do not know which tty* file in /dev/ is associated to UART1. I've reviewed all available documentation without success. Can anybody assist Jul 19 02:23:25 minskmaz, iirc (and I could be wrong) uart1 is tty2 Jul 19 02:23:51 but I could be horribly wrong (and don't tell my wife I said I was wrong) Jul 19 02:24:07 thanks! Jul 19 02:24:32 however koen rule #3 applies Jul 19 02:27:21 always double check ? Jul 19 02:27:34 how you been ka6sox ? Jul 19 02:34:42 tired Jul 19 02:41:45 oh know! I think I have an issue! Jul 19 02:44:16 ... animal ,vegetable, or mineral? Jul 19 02:44:39 we are playing 20 questions, no? Jul 19 02:46:29 oh just seeing if someone was there Jul 19 02:46:30 ok... Jul 19 02:46:36 so I just got win32 disk imager Jul 19 02:46:42 and ubuntu arm rar Jul 19 02:46:47 I 7zipped it Jul 19 02:47:06 successfully put the image onto a 64gb microsd card Jul 19 02:47:19 I went to check the E:/ drive and it now says instead of 59gb's available Jul 19 02:47:30 that I have 532kb out of .98mb free space Jul 19 02:47:34 wtf does that even mean? Jul 19 02:48:39 dunno... how's it partitioned? Jul 19 02:48:50 I didn't partition anything Jul 19 02:49:07 the directions just said...put in microsdhc card...run win32 Jul 19 02:49:09 done Jul 19 02:49:13 that's what I did Jul 19 02:49:14 it worked Jul 19 02:49:24 but....now it seems like I am missing like a ton of gb's Jul 19 02:49:43 or is that hidden and I only see the boot version? Jul 19 02:49:45 I don't know Jul 19 02:49:47 'k I'm not familiar with that software, perhaps it made multiple partitions? Jul 19 02:49:52 I don't know Jul 19 02:49:55 * m_billybob peeks in an decides to wander off again Jul 19 02:50:00 ok Jul 19 02:50:01 adios Jul 19 02:50:19 i windows without some nasty registry haks yo uonly see the first partition on sd cards Jul 19 02:50:36 oh ok Jul 19 02:50:50 alright let me go plug and play and get back to you folks on the outcome Jul 19 02:50:54 sup prpplague Jul 19 02:51:00 this is freenoodle Jul 19 02:51:10 blood pressure, stress, taxes Jul 19 02:51:17 LOUD NOISES! Jul 19 02:51:58 guys brb I am going to view my beagle bone for the first time ever it's plugged in my laptop Jul 19 02:52:04 2 weeks and I haven't looked at it yet Jul 19 02:52:08 I'll be back :) Jul 19 02:56:01 ok problem! Jul 19 02:56:06 I click "start" Jul 19 02:56:09 and it opens a webpage Jul 19 02:56:20 F:\start.htm Jul 19 02:56:23 and then nothing Jul 19 02:56:27 just a big blank page Jul 19 02:58:10 is this shit broken? Jul 19 02:58:11 wtf? Jul 19 02:59:28 ok so I just bought a little computer board that lights up blue and does nothing Jul 19 02:59:30 that's excellent Jul 19 02:59:56 did it work when you got it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 19 02:59:58 2013