**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 23 02:59:59 2013 Jul 23 03:01:16 Russ: negative Jul 23 03:01:33 Russ: i'm going to be out of the conference game for the foreseeable future Jul 23 03:01:38 bummer Jul 23 03:02:06 prpplague: lame Jul 23 03:02:32 likely the same for me unles my paper gets accepted Jul 23 03:02:39 I submitted the same talk as sfo, hopefully I have my time to demo it up a bit, get better slides, etc Jul 23 03:02:46 mranostay, deadline already passed Jul 23 03:02:59 Russ: i submitted it :) Jul 23 03:03:27 talking ELCE or LiniuxCon Jul 23 03:03:47 all conferences, the deadline passed for them all, current and future, sorry Jul 23 03:04:32 (elce) Jul 23 03:04:59 yeah i submitted mine Jul 23 03:05:48 Russ: i hope to attend ELCE, but that is subject to change Jul 23 03:06:31 I'd need something much more general for linuxcon Jul 23 03:07:07 mjg59 seems to have a knack for coming up with talks http://www.oscon.com/oscon2013/public/schedule/detail/28777 Jul 23 03:07:17 Hello Jul 23 03:07:35 I already clone a git on github Jul 23 03:07:54 how to use its library? Jul 23 03:07:59 Ubuntu phone almost sold out of their first 5K devices. I guess the real question is what will be the ongoing demand. Jul 23 03:11:38 blech Jul 23 03:11:46 why do we need more phone OS's? Jul 23 03:11:57 Because android and ios blow. Jul 23 03:12:04 realy? Jul 23 03:12:15 * mranostay rather likes ios Jul 23 03:12:30 don't tell my bosses :P Jul 23 03:13:00 From the perspective of someone that believes that I should be able to do arbitrary things on a device, limited only by the hardware Jul 23 03:13:20 that is 1% of the market :) Jul 23 03:13:32 * mranostay has no desire to hack his phone Jul 23 03:13:48 Excuse me, about writeTextFile() , where is the file be writted ? Jul 23 03:16:23 after git clone from a github Jul 23 03:16:30 we can use it right? Jul 23 03:21:54 OMG look! it's something no one every in the whole time has ever done!!!! http://hackaday.com/2013/07/22/multiple-raspberry-pi-boards-used-to-create-video-wall/ Jul 23 03:22:48 * mranostay senses prpplague-rage Jul 23 03:28:29 How to use SD card ? Jul 23 03:32:29 How do i use the git clone that i clone on github Jul 23 03:32:35 into cloud9 ide Jul 23 03:32:55 to make a led turn on/off using i2c Jul 23 03:33:08 the led is on i2c board Jul 23 03:37:46 Anyone can help me/ Jul 23 03:49:37 I know how to clone repositories, not sure about the cloud9 ide though Jul 23 03:59:30 bradfa: you have mislead with your camera knowledge Jul 23 04:20:18 Need help Jul 23 04:20:26 about cloud9 ide Jul 23 04:21:22 vague and vague Jul 23 04:23:25 that's some kind of fluffy hard drive thing, right? Jul 23 04:30:53 must be Jul 23 04:54:07 Any one can tell me how to start my customer application when BBB is reboot? Jul 23 04:55:27 who let the manager in here? Jul 23 04:57:04 sure, any one can Jul 23 04:57:11 donno if someone will Jul 23 04:58:00 please... Jul 23 04:58:06 prpplague, wow, such a cool idea! It would be cooler if they had 6 screens though Jul 23 04:58:15 * mranostay thinks his mba fan died Jul 23 04:58:30 icepack under the laptop isn't that insane right? Jul 23 04:58:44 what could possibly go wrong? Jul 23 04:59:02 especially if you don't live somewhere with high humidity Jul 23 04:59:40 heh replacement fan ordered Jul 23 04:59:48 did you order 2? Jul 23 04:59:49 is the fan worth replacing? Jul 23 05:00:00 ds2: ah yes Jul 23 05:00:10 simple enough Jul 23 05:00:14 things seems to die one thing after another Jul 23 05:00:27 and for the cheaper laptops, it is less of a hassle to replace it Jul 23 05:00:29 that and the older the hardware, the harder it is to get replacement parts Jul 23 05:00:49 i don't feel like spending a 1k on another laptop Jul 23 05:00:57 besides i like this one Jul 23 05:01:07 oh you pay 1k for it Jul 23 05:01:50 yes i'm a apple fanboy Jul 23 05:01:59 blah Jul 23 05:02:40 i plan on keeping this laptop for 2 more years Jul 23 05:02:54 really only web browsing and sshing Jul 23 05:16:06 there are sub $200 laptops that can do that just fine Jul 23 05:20:29 blech Jul 23 05:22:37 hola mranostay Jul 23 05:22:54 I was up in PDX last thursday Jul 23 05:42:45 emeb_mac: and you didn't ring? lame :P Jul 23 05:43:27 mranostay: was at Powell's around lunchtime & left shortly thereafter. Figured you'd be at work. :) Jul 23 05:43:31 hey, I was in PHX and I didn't ring emeb_mac Jul 23 05:44:03 Russ: lame :) Jul 23 05:46:40 i hate you both! Jul 23 05:47:22 oh adafruit way do you not expose the SPI interface for 2.8" TFT breakout.. Jul 23 05:48:17 huh? no spi? lame. Jul 23 05:48:26 what do they provide? Jul 23 05:48:54 8 bit parallel Jul 23 05:49:05 time to hack it? Jul 23 05:49:27 so popping a shift register or hacking will be the options Jul 23 05:50:48 huh. there's plenty of GPIO available. Jul 23 05:51:02 just go parallel? Jul 23 05:51:36 heh minnow ahem Jul 23 05:51:58 also SPI is DMA;able Jul 23 05:53:01 derp Jul 23 05:53:13 * Russ looks up the datasheet and schematic Jul 23 05:53:35 if this was AM335x i'd just use the PRU :P Jul 23 05:54:06 hmm...doesn't appear that adafruit has a schematic Jul 23 05:56:13 I've noticed that they don't publish schematics on their webpage - you have to go to the github to find them. Jul 23 05:57:42 mranostay: maybe these LCD/Touchscreen modules would be better: http://www.wvshare.com/column/LCD_Module.htm Jul 23 05:57:55 cheaper, more interfaces brought out. Jul 23 05:59:32 weird, SDI/SDO don't even show up on the schematic Jul 23 06:01:35 yeah Jul 23 06:02:23 it must be the flex connect Jul 23 06:03:24 hey, this datasheets has kittens Jul 23 06:03:46 I like kittens Jul 23 06:10:50 kittens, +1 Jul 23 06:14:58 so thankful it wasn't lena...again Jul 23 06:15:01 https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~chuck/lennapg/len_std.jpg Jul 23 06:18:26 Russ: ah yes the infamous test photo Jul 23 06:22:49 what to do with it? Jul 23 06:26:54 scrts: with what? Jul 23 06:27:26 with that image? Jul 23 06:27:35 oh, wiki just loaded Jul 23 06:27:39 scrts, such a large number of datasheets from lcd manufactures have that image Jul 23 06:27:47 it was nice to see a kitten instead Jul 23 06:28:21 scrts: famous test photo Jul 23 06:35:09 must have linky to datasheet w/ kitten Jul 23 06:37:16 koen, is narcissus builidng images from oe -core? Jul 23 06:38:20 found it: http://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/ILI9325.pdf Jul 23 06:42:04 Crofton: if you select a v2012.05 or v2012.12 or v2013.06 config, yes Jul 23 06:42:17 Crofton: and the usual disclaimer that narcissus doesn't actually build packages Jul 23 06:43:27 yeha Jul 23 06:43:30 ok Jul 23 06:43:39 trying to figure out some email on th egnuradio list Jul 23 06:44:06 which is hard because I a on ly readin gemail once a day or so atm :) Jul 23 07:31:48 nice, waterott has free shipping week until thursday Jul 23 07:36:11 morning Jul 23 07:39:11 dm8tbr: don't tempt me! Jul 23 07:56:20 tryin' to install debian wheezy on a beaglebone rev a6. using RCNelson netinstall I can start the installation, but near the end of the process it complains about the boot loader, and in fact the system is not able to boot. Jul 23 07:57:11 i'm a bit confused on how to proceed: should the installer manage to configure that itself? or it's up to me? Jul 23 07:58:13 koen: mmx did tempt me and my wish list immediately started growing towards the required 150€ order volume Jul 23 08:05:26 dm8tbr: is mmx a retailer ? Jul 23 08:19:42 +#define YO_TI1510_DATASHEET_GUY_EXPLAIN_THIS_JUNK 0x0844b060 Jul 23 08:19:43 rofl Jul 23 08:20:09 I think we've all been there Jul 23 09:02:18 man, there is a _lot_ of information being added to the devicetree with the common clock framework Jul 23 09:03:59 but it does seem to take out a lot of code from the omap-specific code, so it's not all bad... Jul 23 09:18:26 Anyone knows why the 3.8.13 kernel on a BBB does not allow to set the core dump pattern? (sysctl kernel.core_pattern gives error: "kernel.core_pattern" is an unknown key) Jul 23 09:19:38 man 5 core Jul 23 09:20:46 dnil, probably not compiled in Jul 23 09:21:05 dunno if something's changed tehre Jul 23 09:21:53 panto, Never seen a kernel config option for this. I'll look again. Jul 23 09:22:10 * Russ *cough* CONFIG_COREDUMP *cough* Jul 23 09:22:29 CONFIG_COREDUMP is not set Jul 23 09:23:03 Ahh, ok. Thanks, that was the piece of information I was looking for Jul 23 09:23:33 grep -i core .config Jul 23 09:30:04 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 3 new commits to 3.11: http://git.io/itMRMA Jul 23 09:30:04 kernel/3.11 d853903 Koen Kooi: 3.11: update to 3.11rc2... Jul 23 09:30:04 kernel/3.11 50ce072 Zubair Lutfullah: Added IIO to Kconfig... Jul 23 09:30:04 kernel/3.11 8bb63a9 Koen Kooi: Merge branch '3.11' of github.com:beagleboard/kernel into 3.11 Jul 23 09:31:58 hmm, I've just booted 3.11-rc2 ;) Jul 23 09:33:46 So one needs to set CONFIG_EXPERT to even have control over CONFIG_COREDUMP, presumably because core dump support is almost always enabled. But I assume it is disabled on the BB due to space constraints. How about keeping the kernel support for core dumps but default to send the dump to /dev/null? Jul 23 09:33:49 aholler, https://github.com/pantoniou/linux-beagle-track-mainline Jul 23 09:34:08 dnil, patches welcome Jul 23 09:35:36 aholler, merge-20130723 merge as of today Jul 23 09:37:03 das__: no, a friend who ordered there Jul 23 09:37:09 panto: I used the rebased tree from joel and some patches for the dtb Jul 23 09:37:10 panto, Yes of course, not expecting anyone else to do it. Just probing is it "makes sense" first Jul 23 09:37:30 dnil, makes sense for you Jul 23 09:39:17 so just test it, create a patch and let us look at it Jul 23 09:39:44 panto, Ok Jul 23 09:40:18 panto: I don't want the millions of patches as found in the beagle-kernel. I'm fine with the few I need on top of mainline and not all the stuff which is needed to build a cnc or uses dozens of capes. Jul 23 09:40:36 aholler, it's not a million of patches Jul 23 09:40:46 if you'd look at the tree it's all topic branches Jul 23 09:41:22 more than hundred, still too much for me. especially when going upwards Jul 23 09:41:24 it's not like the 3.8 kernel Jul 23 09:41:34 aholler, it's your call Jul 23 09:41:47 yeah, 3.8 is finished ;) Jul 23 09:42:18 heh, you're in for a surprise with 3.10 Jul 23 09:42:26 err, 3.11-rc whatever Jul 23 09:42:33 sure, musb fails Jul 23 09:42:36 ;) Jul 23 09:42:46 there is a reason why 3.8 has a brazillion patches Jul 23 09:43:00 so yeah, it boots, but there are lots of stuff missing Jul 23 09:43:47 yeah, looks so. I've just booted from mmc or emmc Jul 23 09:44:30 that worked on 3.10, stopped working for a brief period and only started working again yesterday Jul 23 09:46:17 I've decided to give it a try after I've read the discussion between joel and mdp Jul 23 09:47:15 anyway, it's not like we want to carry a ton of patches either Jul 23 09:47:36 I've now just 13 on top of mainline Jul 23 09:47:38 but getting all the bits that make the peripherals work in the kernel is not easy Jul 23 09:48:59 that earlyprintk-implementation is a pain, either early or late isn't that fine. Jul 23 09:49:27 hi, does somebody know how to enable the second SPI? the SPI0 Jul 23 09:50:13 there's a SPI(-1) ? Jul 23 09:51:06 echo BB-SPI1 >/sys/devices/bone_capemgr*/slots Jul 23 09:51:10 there are 2 SPI Jul 23 09:51:21 but just enabling it wont do you any good? Jul 23 09:51:30 what do you have connected to it? Jul 23 09:51:33 one is the SPI1, in pins 28,29,30 and 31 Jul 23 09:51:42 and ther is another SPI Jul 23 09:53:06 and the second SPI i dont know how to enable Jul 23 09:56:24 sorry, i had some problems with the internet connection, and i didn't see what you write after the last thing i wrote Jul 23 09:57:36 didn't I just told you? Jul 23 09:57:46 you use a cape fragment to enable it Jul 23 09:57:56 there are a bunch of them installed already Jul 23 09:59:31 umm ok, thank you very much, panto. I'm going to try and see what happen Jul 23 10:12:50 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 3 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/U499hw Jul 23 10:12:51 kernel/3.8 ee9d4fd Koen Kooi: 3.8: add support for audio amplifier cape... Jul 23 10:12:51 kernel/3.8 a14755e Koen Kooi: 3.8: add support for am335x bandgap sensor... Jul 23 10:12:51 kernel/3.8 196742b Koen Kooi: 3.8: update MPU6050 patches and backport PCA9685 driver... Jul 23 11:23:11 heh, some "fun" kernel code to look at today that wasn't supposed to be public Jul 23 11:33:45 You mean GPL violating, or what should have been a binary? Jul 23 11:34:00 or what should never have been written Jul 23 11:34:20 and yes, you don't need to distribute source if there are no external customers Jul 23 11:34:52 you only need to provide source to those whom you directly provide binaries Jul 23 11:35:46 internal/external is not a meaningful distinction Jul 23 11:37:27 I was trying to say that you don't need to supply source to employees. Jul 23 11:38:24 most places I've worked didn't hide much/anything from employees anyway Jul 23 11:38:58 one exception being the crypto stuff at nds Jul 23 11:39:03 they were insanely paranoid about that Jul 23 11:41:10 Russ, sekrit kernel codez ? Jul 23 11:41:25 * mdp executes #beagle punctuation spacing Jul 23 11:43:38 yes, it's "fun" Jul 23 11:44:31 sekrit kernel code from a certain very large company that contributes linux code Jul 23 11:44:46 Russ: link or it didn't happen Jul 23 11:44:56 then you realize what "fun" the bugs it contains could provide if it would be binary blob... Jul 23 11:45:02 Russ, there's always been some in the closet Jul 23 11:45:05 its for a certain filesystem Jul 23 11:45:26 tifs? Jul 23 11:45:37 mufs Jul 23 11:45:41 certainly Jul 23 11:45:56 I'm sure someone who doesn't contribute kernel code for they day job can offer up the link Jul 23 11:46:34 heh Jul 23 11:47:26 be sure to redefine every possible constant and wrap or reimplement every possible function Jul 23 11:49:04 mranostay, my intention is to always mislead :) Jul 23 11:49:48 Russ, mydriver_kmalloc() Jul 23 11:50:21 #define TRUE 0 Jul 23 11:50:36 ynezz, true story! Jul 23 11:53:37 next you'll tell me camelCase horror stories, make it stop Jul 23 11:53:51 mdp, and spaces for indents! the horrors! Jul 23 11:54:08 if (horrors) Jul 23 11:54:08 { Jul 23 11:54:10 return 0; Jul 23 11:54:10 } Jul 23 11:54:22 if (gnu) Jul 23 11:54:23 { Jul 23 11:54:27 return horrors; Jul 23 11:54:28 } Jul 23 11:54:58 mru, you have to sign contribution agreement to hand over the codez to write that one, methinks Jul 23 12:05:16 I'd assume it to be https://github.com/rxrz/exfat-nofuse Jul 23 12:05:31 * mru just came to the same conclusion Jul 23 12:20:44 linux warez, awesome Jul 23 12:22:00 no damage at home Jul 23 12:22:02 horrah. Jul 23 12:23:28 yes, tuesday is warez channel day here Jul 23 12:24:02 what day is 0-day? Jul 23 12:24:12 can somebody post the sgx codez repo? Jul 23 12:24:45 XorA, so many days, it gets confusing Jul 23 12:25:00 mdp: you wouldnt want to see the SGX code ;-) Jul 23 12:25:02 plus the cat people think every day is caturday so it throws everything off Jul 23 12:25:26 XorA, ugh Jul 23 12:25:27 XorA, it's ok, I figure everybody should have the same punishment I've had Jul 23 12:25:27 cat people have a mind altering parasite in their bloodstream, we should exterminate them! Jul 23 12:25:40 * XorA has worked on the SGX codez Jul 23 12:26:01 panto, you're just the latest victim..enjoy Jul 23 12:26:35 panto, I can assure you, my experience on that magnum hanabi gpu code was complete torture too :) Jul 23 12:26:45 back in the day Jul 23 12:27:21 where's sarah to talk about the abuse devs get from closed source gpu drivers? Jul 23 12:30:29 * mdp shuns panto for making jokes on that topic Jul 23 12:31:40 panto, http://foaas.com/linus/panto/Linus Jul 23 12:33:30 mdp, it's a personal failing of mine that I haven't managed to get that email Jul 23 12:33:36 *in email Jul 23 12:35:46 panto, a patch that converts asl->dtb and then removes the acpi driver infrastructure in order to use the of driver framework for those instances might get you a proper response Jul 23 12:36:00 panto, if you are looking for suggestions Jul 23 12:36:12 heh, that's just crazy/offensive enough that it might work :) Jul 23 12:36:37 it *was* suggested elsewhere...not my invention..I'm just trying to help you with execution Jul 23 12:36:44 I'm not an idea guy, I'm an execution guy Jul 23 12:36:59 I wonder if foaas.com offers git services? Jul 23 12:37:54 dunno, but I was thinking about adding it to a commit hook in our team work repo ;) Jul 23 12:38:02 lol Jul 23 12:38:25 auto generated email response when you break the build? Jul 23 12:38:44 I tend to drift to evil thoughts when left here in my dungeon for extended periods Jul 23 12:39:15 panto, the Bieber ridicule does not work in our home-based work environment Jul 23 12:39:23 I like the rmk quote on foaas Jul 23 12:39:34 mru, of course you do ;) Jul 23 12:39:58 perhaps an auto-email containing all your recent browser history sent to your SO would work better Jul 23 12:40:21 heh Jul 23 12:41:09 why all of it? Jul 23 12:41:19 restricting it to just the porn-mode history would be more efficient Jul 23 12:41:49 in a pron-less country? Jul 23 12:41:51 all of it might contain links surfing craigslist for a hitman Jul 23 12:41:57 no.porn.uk Jul 23 12:42:11 I would enhance this to track and report one's use of the various alibi*.com services etc. Jul 23 12:45:44 how to reduce your phone bill: call vodafone customer support and act ignorant Jul 23 12:58:45 haha Jul 23 12:58:47 foass git services Jul 23 12:58:49 lulz Jul 23 13:01:17 Hi Jul 23 13:02:20 Is there anyone here? Jul 23 13:02:40 no Jul 23 13:02:45 :) Jul 23 13:03:09 I have a problem with my bone Jul 23 13:03:25 Mark___: Well - viagra just came off patent. Solving it should now be cheaper. Jul 23 13:03:36 SpeedEvil: you have a dirty mind Jul 23 13:03:52 ? Jul 23 13:04:09 Can't belive it........ Jul 23 13:04:28 that's what she said Jul 23 13:04:31 More seroiusly - what's the problem. Jul 23 13:04:32 is it the chat on beagleboard site???? Jul 23 13:04:36 pufff.... Jul 23 13:06:30 mru: don't say that on a lkml Jul 23 13:07:18 s/\sa\s// Jul 23 13:07:47 I bought a beaglebone and I'm trying to follow the guide to connect my pc to the board Jul 23 13:07:53 georgem: that removes one space too much Jul 23 13:07:56 but it doesnt work... Jul 23 13:08:03 Mark___: What happens? Jul 23 13:08:03 shit Jul 23 13:08:15 georgem: don't say that on #rpi Jul 23 13:08:19 nothing! Jul 23 13:08:23 :) Jul 23 13:08:36 Mark___: which colour of bone and how are you connecting it? Jul 23 13:08:49 my firefox browser cant enter on 192.168.1.2 Jul 23 13:09:00 by usb cable Jul 23 13:09:09 black bone? Jul 23 13:09:15 no Jul 23 13:09:23 the white bone doesn't work like that Jul 23 13:09:27 beaglebone Jul 23 13:09:39 they're both beaglebone Jul 23 13:09:47 the x8 Jul 23 13:09:50 huh Jul 23 13:09:54 white or black? Jul 23 13:09:57 which colour is it? Jul 23 13:09:59 white Jul 23 13:10:17 that doesn't have usb network Jul 23 13:10:22 Hook up via USB and open a serial terminal Jul 23 13:10:39 the mini-usb on the white goes to a stupid ftdi chip Jul 23 13:10:46 but I'm following the guide on these site Jul 23 13:10:47 like minicom in linux or putty in windows Jul 23 13:10:52 so the guide is wrong Jul 23 13:10:56 or it's the wrong guide Jul 23 13:10:58 or both Jul 23 13:11:09 or you're reading it wrong Jul 23 13:11:33 the guide says Jul 23 13:11:36 : Jul 23 13:11:41 which board is the guide for? Jul 23 13:11:56 and where did you find this guide? Jul 23 13:12:04 Plug in the Beagle via USB Jul 23 13:12:14 Getting Started with BeagleBone & BeagleBone Black Jul 23 13:12:18 URL please Jul 23 13:12:29 http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started Jul 23 13:13:12 I connect my card to the PC Jul 23 13:13:31 the drivers are installed Jul 23 13:14:09 Yeah, that's a pretty crappy guide. No wonder you're lost. Do you have the Ethernet work hooked up to your LAN with your PC? Jul 23 13:14:14 but the guide says:You'll see the PWR LED lit steadily. Within 10 seconds, you should see the other LEDs blinking in their default configurations. USR0 is configured at boot to blink in a heartbeat pattern USR1 is configured at boot to light during microSD card accesses USR2 is configured at boot to light during CPU activity USR3 is configured at boot to light during eMMC accesses Jul 23 13:14:19 Ethernet port even Jul 23 13:14:38 That is BBB specific and it doesn't really make that clear Jul 23 13:14:39 yes...I have Jul 23 13:15:12 well the USR3 part anyway. Jul 23 13:15:45 But only the usr0 is on on my board Jul 23 13:15:56 blinking.... Jul 23 13:15:59 Are you using windows? Jul 23 13:16:05 yes Jul 23 13:16:10 how can I have a survey on the hardware i have on the beaglebone? lspci and lshw are not working, of course Jul 23 13:16:17 Do you have a serial terminal program like putty? Jul 23 13:16:25 no... Jul 23 13:16:34 get one Jul 23 13:16:35 Download putty Jul 23 13:16:36 do it now Jul 23 13:16:51 And look in your device manager and see which COM port the beaglebone shows up as. Jul 23 13:17:18 Open putty set it to serial and specific the COM port listed in device manager and set it to 115200 baud. Jul 23 13:17:20 ok.tx.......1 minute please Jul 23 13:17:50 I can't formulate sentences today. I think I need to get more sleep. Jul 23 13:18:27 sleep? coffee! Jul 23 13:18:32 or just type slower Jul 23 13:18:53 sleeping is for weak Jul 23 13:19:06 true Jul 23 13:19:11 join #zombie side Jul 23 13:19:28 ynezz: I did, I was up to 1am playing DayZ Jul 23 13:20:30 I did it... Jul 23 13:20:52 Hit enter when the terminal is open. Do you get a login prompt? Jul 23 13:22:17 i'm in the "putty configuration" Jul 23 13:23:07 Did you find out which COM port the BeagleBone is show up on in device manager? Jul 23 13:24:25 I didn't.... Jul 23 13:24:40 Mark___: Go to the following URL and start reading at "Finding the Beaglebone's virtual serial port" http://arielli.com/beaglebone/getting-serial-over-usb-to-work-in-beaglebone-with-a-windows-7-host/ Jul 23 13:25:38 there is the beaglebone/XDS100V2 with a yellow question mark Jul 23 13:27:43 ok, nevermind start at the beginning of that guide Jul 23 13:30:54 doing it... Jul 23 13:32:08 Hello, im trying to build poky for beagle bone black. Build is complete and SD-Card is created. But boot hangs an "Starting Kernel ... ". Has anybody an idea how to solve this? Jul 23 13:34:53 no drivers installed!!!!! Jul 23 13:35:02 getting crazy........ Jul 23 13:39:36 I can install drivers.... Jul 23 13:39:48 It's too strange..... Jul 23 13:40:12 sorri...CANT Jul 23 13:42:07 anybody here who is using bbb and yocto? Jul 23 13:42:25 Ari Jul 23 13:42:36 anyone used kali linux(debian) on beaglebone black? Jul 23 13:42:44 Arrr even. Thank you autocorrect. Jul 23 13:43:34 Is there a small irc proxy that really works Jul 23 13:54:03 I used ZNC for a while. Jul 23 13:59:21 http://shop.adapteva.com/ Jul 23 13:59:23 who wants? Jul 23 14:14:40 damn that exfat code is well written Jul 23 14:21:07 mranostay: so Linkedin tells me, "check out Matt's new Job," and I think, "he changed jobs _again_?" No, it's the same old job. ugh. This is why it looks like I stalk you. They bait me :) Jul 23 14:23:11 das: but does it work on BBB :-D Jul 23 14:23:23 das: and can your port it to systemd Jul 23 14:25:29 XorA: can systemd make coffee too ? Jul 23 14:25:42 das__: only in containers Jul 23 14:26:07 alan_o, I too had a bunch of people ask me recently about it notifying them *again* about my now-old change Jul 23 14:26:49 as a social network value is directly linked to number of visitors per day they will always spam you to visit more! Jul 23 14:26:50 developper: start on coffee started Jul 23 14:27:34 das__: make sure to read the man page http://www.afactor.net/kitchen/coffee/manPages.html Jul 23 14:28:23 alan_o: hey bud! long to no chat! what's cookin? did you get a presentation proposal in for ELCE? Jul 23 14:28:31 people actually do what linked tells them? Jul 23 14:28:35 +in Jul 23 14:28:50 yo prpplague master of the purp Jul 23 14:28:57 XorA: greetings Jul 23 14:29:06 mru: greetings mr.troll Jul 23 14:29:24 * _troll_ trolls Jul 23 14:29:42 hi prpplague. I haven't submitted anything, but I haven't gotten any emails about it yet. Jul 23 14:29:46 * alan_o checks the deadline Jul 23 14:29:58 was sunday Jul 23 14:30:02 alan_o: deadline was sunday Jul 23 14:30:29 oh, so no. And thanks Linux foundation for letting me know.... ugh. Jul 23 14:32:14 yep, nothing in the email. So I guess they expect people to just refresh the website. Jul 23 14:33:30 That's ok, really. I was having a hard time coming up with something to talk about. Jul 23 14:34:11 when will they decide who's accepted? Jul 23 14:35:32 mdp: ping Jul 23 14:35:37 prpplague: when do we see the bone 64bit? Jul 23 14:35:47 mru: website says Aug 1. Jul 23 14:36:06 mru: but we all know what that means :) Jul 23 14:36:23 nothing Jul 23 14:36:27 * prpplague ponders if two am335x on one board qualifies as 64bit Jul 23 14:36:52 mdp: nevermind, found it Jul 23 14:36:52 mru: not nothing; it means not before Aug 1. Jul 23 14:36:59 felipebalbi, pong Jul 23 14:37:03 nm Jul 23 14:37:12 prpplague: stack two minnows and you can run a 64bit kernel? Jul 23 14:37:21 mdp: was going to ask about the spansion nor flash, but found a pointer to the correct one ;-) Jul 23 14:37:28 ahh, ok Jul 23 14:37:46 felipebalbi, saw that sourav posted the qspi driver upstream, congrats Jul 23 14:39:11 mdp: still quite a few things to fix Jul 23 14:39:17 prpplague, yes, and you can also call it a 8 core system Jul 23 14:39:34 mdp: he still assumes bits per word is always 8 Jul 23 14:39:37 felipebalbi, yeah, that was about as minimal as you could get and few features Jul 23 14:39:39 yep Jul 23 14:39:59 mdp: I'm not talking about your driver, talking about the engineer himself :-) Jul 23 14:40:09 oh Jul 23 14:40:09 mdp: the driver was definitely a first step Jul 23 14:40:13 um, hehe Jul 23 14:40:32 mdp: do you happen to remember if that spansion memory is 8-bits per word only ? Jul 23 14:43:00 mdp: look like it's 16-bits per word, actually Jul 23 14:43:31 mdp: "... that allows up to 128 words (256 bytes)..." Jul 23 14:45:42 felipebalbi, by memory I thought these parts were fixed at 8-bit word size Jul 23 14:45:57 mdp: let me search more Jul 23 14:46:13 brb Jul 23 14:48:00 felipebalbi, found the datasheet..the single bit wide output command timing diagram shows 8-bit data Jul 23 14:48:28 that's the s25fl128/256s versions Jul 23 14:49:42 of course, depending on the command, you are getting a sequential burst of a number of those... Jul 23 14:53:22 alright Jul 23 14:53:24 tks Jul 23 15:08:07 felipebalbi, doublecheck me..that was from memory then a quick glance ;) I'm usually wrong Jul 23 15:09:57 mdp: lol :-) will do Jul 23 15:30:17 hah looks like that exfat code contains some GPL2'd code portions Jul 23 15:31:12 GPL is inconvenient Jul 23 15:31:40 gpl encourages cooperation Jul 23 15:32:37 yea like the hippie movement Jul 23 15:33:03 98% of the people excited about it want someone else to do the co-operating Jul 23 15:33:34 cooperation is limited to the kernel Jul 23 15:42:22 If this is the same code I've heard about - someone ripped off the copyrights, and shoved on GPL2 tags Jul 23 15:42:28 this doesn't mean they're real Jul 23 15:43:32 see, gpl is dangerous Jul 23 15:43:49 I have a problem with the language Jul 23 15:44:00 drivers language.... Jul 23 15:44:29 I'm trying to install my beaglebone white Jul 23 15:44:43 but there is a error message Jul 23 15:45:14 *popcorn* Jul 23 15:45:33 someone can help me please? Jul 23 15:47:52 SpeedEvil: some portions seem to emanate from linux/fs/vfat/namei.c Jul 23 15:48:10 ah Jul 23 15:48:43 Probably wise to check those portions did not originate with the people who are distributing the binary - as that'd b elegal Jul 23 15:49:15 ? Jul 23 15:49:16 ? Jul 23 16:13:34 panto: does usb host work with your 3.11-rc tree? Jul 23 16:13:42 aholler, haven't tried Jul 23 16:13:48 I'd be very very surprised if it did Jul 23 16:14:26 I see only the client here. not sure if I miss something or if something is broken ;) Jul 23 16:16:14 it doesn't even try to init anything else than the client. Jul 23 16:17:17 and hdmi needs some work too ;) Jul 23 16:19:10 I wonder where the scott (McAsp) is gone to ;) Jul 23 16:22:28 Hola Jul 23 16:22:50 Can I get a woot woot on the beagle bone cchat? Jul 23 16:22:53 woot woot.... Jul 23 16:23:08 There is a queue. Jul 23 16:23:16 queue woot woot Jul 23 16:23:28 speedevil Jul 23 16:23:45 is it spee devil....or speed evil Jul 23 16:24:06 or backwards live deeps Jul 23 16:25:01 I have a question about the Arm processor Jul 23 16:37:31 * mranostay bikes in Jul 23 16:41:21 moarning, mranostay Jul 23 16:41:33 yes, I saw the foaas rmk entry Jul 23 16:41:47 hey MRU Jul 23 16:41:51 question for you Jul 23 16:41:57 42 Jul 23 16:41:59 54 Jul 23 16:42:04 if I put an image of ubuntu on an microsd card Jul 23 16:42:14 how the fuck would I know Jul 23 16:42:19 and then when I was running the ubuntu...and installing the desktop gui Jul 23 16:42:25 it failed due to lack of space Jul 23 16:42:51 so now I want to know if I can format the drive to give it more space if that will work or if I have to go back and redo this whole thing? Jul 23 16:43:30 cool magic lantern article on Jul 23 16:43:33 LWN today Jul 23 16:45:55 Are the kernel branches 3.7, 3.8, 3,9, 3.11 in the github.com/beagleboard/kernel.gitr repo supposed to work for a beagleboard? They seem very beaglebone specific. Jul 23 16:49:45 I made a patch intended for the BB that makes it possible to get coredumps on a BB without a kernel recompile. But the patch will then also change the default behavior w.r.t core dumps when run on a beagleboard, not sure if that would be acceptable? Jul 23 16:50:53 why patching if it's just a kernel option? Jul 23 16:51:38 since when do core dumps require a patched kernel? Jul 23 16:52:20 aholler, A user would need to change a kernel config and recompile the kernel to enable core dumps on the BB since CONFIG_COREDUMP is disabled now in the BB defconfig Jul 23 16:52:52 Supposedly since we don't want coredumps in the filesystem on the BB due to disk space issues Jul 23 16:52:58 and your patch is used how? Jul 23 16:54:01 I rather assume it just got missed to enable. emabling the kernel option doesn't enable core dumps, it just enables the possibility to use them Jul 23 16:54:08 I patched fs/coredump.c so that if an empty /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern is used then no dump is created Jul 23 16:55:44 aholler, I know one needs to allow it in user-space as well. I assumed that we didn't want to rely of that for the BB and disabled it in the kernel config. But maybe not? Jul 23 16:58:08 I don't know why it's disabled. Jul 23 17:00:01 Maybe I'll try to submit a patch to enable the kernel config for the beaglebone first then, my assumption that it is disabled on purpose maybe isn't correct. Jul 23 17:00:15 just ask on the ml why it's disabled Jul 23 17:00:28 I assume there wasn't any real reason Jul 23 17:01:16 Fair enough... Jul 23 17:01:33 btw. "man 5 core" gives you a hint how to limit the core file size Jul 23 17:02:46 ulimit... Jul 23 17:04:22 Right, I just thought that since there are now many different user-space filesystems around for the BB that someone felt is safer to disable in the kernel then to rely on a default in user-space. Jul 23 17:04:59 But I agree that if the filesystems fills up with core dumps due to them being enabled by default, then that is an issue for that distro. Jul 23 17:05:15 if the filesystem is filling up with core dumps, you have bigger problems Jul 23 17:05:35 Agreed Jul 23 17:06:11 disabling core dumps is just shooting the messenger Jul 23 17:07:24 mru, I'm working on restoring them, not disabling them Jul 23 17:08:53 so enable the kernel option if it's off Jul 23 17:09:45 BBB Jul 23 17:09:46 Hello everyone. Any one out there had success comping Qt 4.8.5 for Ubuntu to put on a Jul 23 17:10:12 err... compiling Jul 23 17:22:31 Hello is any one there? Jul 23 17:22:34 From a security point of view: Allowing core dumps to fill up the FS would allow someone DoS the box if they could figure out a way to influence a process to segfault. If you store core dumps in the systemd journal you can't fill up the file system unless you use some pretty dumb journal settings. Jul 23 17:22:54 I am looking for information about the beagleboard-xm power connection for 5v Jul 23 17:23:12 georgem: who the fuck would do such a thing? Jul 23 17:23:30 core dumps in the syslog?!?!?! Jul 23 17:23:31 Is the 5v jack center positive or center negative? Jul 23 17:23:41 catz: centre hot, as it should be Jul 23 17:23:46 mru: its not a syslog, its a journal Jul 23 17:23:51 ok thank you Jul 23 17:23:52 stop writing code that core dumps Jul 23 17:23:54 so where's the syslog? Jul 23 17:24:04 if it still core dumps, fix the source. recompile. and install. Jul 23 17:24:07 it is that simple. Jul 23 17:24:07 mru thank you Jul 23 17:24:35 ds2: that requires brain Jul 23 17:24:48 lack of brain is not an excuse Jul 23 17:25:06 if that's not available, directing core dumps to a size-limited, dedicated volume works fine Jul 23 17:25:13 mru: The journal is a supper kmesg, syslog and other stuff. syslog is also routinely forwarded to rsyslog or syslog-ng if you want start syslog file output. That would not contain the dumps. Jul 23 17:25:22 superset of * Jul 23 17:25:31 sounds utterly insane Jul 23 17:25:35 or just map in page 0 ;) Jul 23 17:25:58 I've occasionally done that for debugging purposes Jul 23 17:26:27 due to quirks in how core dumps were generated on alpha if attempting to execute code at address zero Jul 23 17:26:38 for some reason, the return address was lost Jul 23 17:26:49 so it was impossible to tell how it got there Jul 23 17:26:52 not so simple if an attacker figures out it core dumps and uses to exploit a critical system before anyone else knows about it. Jul 23 17:27:14 mapping page zero and placing a breakpoint there solved that Jul 23 17:27:40 georgem: huh? Jul 23 17:28:02 sorry, that was in reply to one of ds2's earlier comments Jul 23 17:28:09 your "solution" also does not work retroactively Jul 23 17:28:42 whatever you do to limit the effect of core dumps, you have to do it _before_ the system goes live Jul 23 17:29:24 mru: a default systemd configured system would behave that way out of the box. Jul 23 17:29:57 I can make a system that defaults to not dumping cores too Jul 23 17:30:05 or placing them in a restricted area Jul 23 17:30:33 in fact, even the most naively configured system is unlikely to give you many core dumps Jul 23 17:30:59 since most daemons (hopefully) run as unprivileged users with / as cwd Jul 23 17:31:24 so with the standard core-in-cwd behaviour, you'd get none Jul 23 17:31:35 and with the also standard 'core' name, you'd get at most one Jul 23 17:31:51 true Jul 23 17:32:15 it's only if you've been 'clever' and made the name more unique, and then not thought it through fully, that you'll have any problems Jul 23 17:33:10 also true Jul 23 17:33:32 so your preciousss syssstemd is quite unnecessary Jul 23 17:33:59 you can do the same on a file system if you insist on having core dumping binaries around Jul 23 17:34:05 in a simple scenario where core dumps are turned off Jul 23 17:34:22 there's also no reason to have core dumps enabled in a production system Jul 23 17:34:29 they shouldn't be happening in the first place Jul 23 17:34:32 mru: not true Jul 23 17:34:38 if an attacker figures out core dumps, you have a broken QA system Jul 23 17:34:56 and if you can't afford to run QA, then you can't afford to have a reliable system. Jul 23 17:35:03 not true that you shouldn't get core dumps? Jul 23 17:35:26 ds2: if you can't afford QA, you deserve to be eaten by script kiddies Jul 23 17:35:36 mru: There are situations where it is required (perhaps even by law) to have core dumps enabled in production systems. Jul 23 17:35:49 state an example Jul 23 17:37:00 what's the problem with them? it's absolutely no problem to disable them when the kernel option is on Jul 23 17:37:10 In systems that handle hazardous materials it is often required that Jul 23 17:37:18 aholler: or per process with ulimit Jul 23 17:37:39 the cause of incidents (however unlikely) can be investigated Jul 23 17:37:39 I really hope systems handling hazardous materials aren't connected to the public internet Jul 23 17:38:22 guys need some help here Jul 23 17:38:31 well, hopefully yes. but just because they aren't connected doesn't mean they aren't vulnerable. Example stuxnet Jul 23 17:38:38 I'm trying to re-partition the microSD card and can't get SU to work Jul 23 17:38:41 usererror: are you good at trolling? Jul 23 17:38:41 super user or w/e Jul 23 17:38:51 mru? Jul 23 17:38:58 oh, I thought you were asking if we needed help Jul 23 17:39:08 obviously we do Jul 23 17:39:37 I'm trying to install this ubuntu desktop for the 5th day now and still can't get it to work Jul 23 17:39:51 I absolutely have to repartition the sd card and I have no clue how to do that Jul 23 17:39:56 stuxnet was about a different kind of core entirely Jul 23 17:40:38 I'm referring to the attack vector Jul 23 17:40:58 internet -> PC -> usb drive -> critical system Jul 23 17:41:14 anyone know the command for super user in linux? Jul 23 17:41:18 I type sudo su Jul 23 17:41:20 and nothing comes up Jul 23 17:41:24 even so, you'd not let a system like that just keep running after an incident Jul 23 17:41:32 so fs filling with cores is not an issue Jul 23 17:41:52 sudo su is so silly Jul 23 17:41:59 well apparently I need it Jul 23 17:42:00 mru: no you don't. but if they were trying to cause a DoS they would try to create the problem as quick as possible in succession Jul 23 17:42:08 sudo -s gives you a shell if allowed Jul 23 17:42:20 not allowed Jul 23 17:42:21 :( Jul 23 17:42:37 georgem: if you just restart the process and carry on, you're stupid Jul 23 17:43:56 mru: it depends. but point taken Jul 23 17:44:29 and even if you do, you have _much_ bigger problems than a full fs Jul 23 17:44:35 maybe someone should invent corerotate ;) Jul 23 17:45:04 co-rerotate? Jul 23 17:52:29 mru: If it makes you feel better I don't store my core dumps for any of my systems in journald (its relatively new feature anyway), however I don't see any harm in bringing up a different view point from time to time to initiate a conversation. Jul 23 17:53:23 plus counter-trolling is just fun Jul 23 17:53:35 journald does really store coredumps? Jul 23 17:53:38 how dump Jul 23 17:53:50 s/p/b/ Jul 23 18:01:59 ok guys i think i got this partition thing going now Jul 23 18:02:03 I have a very serious question Jul 23 18:02:55 my first sector is default...my last sector is reading the full amount for the microsd card...if I put the desktop onto that obviously I won't run out of space...but will I have a place to store files on there? Jul 23 18:27:26 djlewis: !!! Jul 23 18:29:47 sorry 'bout the bouncing in & out, my bad Jul 23 18:35:36 hrmm Jul 23 18:35:48 I think I may have my ubuntu desktop running here soon :) Jul 23 18:36:31 anyone know how to install microsoft mice on linux, or wifi dongle's(with CD's) or a powered USB hub for that matter...cause mines not working for some odd reason Jul 23 18:37:15 Hmmm, neither mice or usb hubs should require anything extra on most linux distros. Jul 23 18:39:46 ok well I will try it out once I get the distro working Jul 23 18:39:52 I tried them on angstrom and got nothing :( Jul 23 18:41:55 I think I'll go give my dog a bath while this loads haha Jul 23 18:43:00 I got a chi wah wah! Jul 23 18:43:36 no body messes with my chi wah wah and lives to talk about it Jul 23 18:54:40 <|PiP|`> beagleboard black vs raspberry pi Jul 23 18:54:44 <|PiP|`> which one to get? Jul 23 18:54:46 I am using 2>&1 to write my stderr and stdout into a text. My question is how can I use that and append this output to an existing file. Jul 23 18:55:23 man tee Jul 23 18:55:37 command >>file 2>&1 Jul 23 18:55:49 hmm, i was bouncing in and out too, signed during a storm and my ups is not working. Jul 23 18:56:04 mranostay: u2 Jul 23 18:56:06 >> appends Jul 23 18:56:10 ah mru is right, I misread the question Jul 23 18:56:28 didn't know you could combine those two Jul 23 18:56:49 of course you can Jul 23 18:57:13 |PiP|`, Obviously depends what you are planning to do with it... Jul 23 18:57:23 |PiP|`: Are you competing for most annoying IRC nick? Jul 23 18:57:27 djlewis: how is tornado country? Jul 23 18:57:40 <|PiP|`> i wanna run either voip pbx or openvpn server Jul 23 18:57:52 ok, maybe I've never tried. that does seem pretty obvious Jul 23 18:58:04 <|PiP|`> maybe NAS too Jul 23 18:58:24 bbb then Jul 23 18:58:29 thank you Jul 23 18:58:38 bash 4 knows &>> too Jul 23 18:58:41 |PiP|`, Sounds like you should buy one of each and try them out Jul 23 18:58:57 <|PiP|`> i mean for the the extra $10, is beagleboard worth it? Jul 23 18:59:21 I have 4 raspis and 3 bbb's, for what you are asking I say BBB every time Jul 23 18:59:43 yes, BBB has a much better working network interface and USB Jul 23 19:00:06 but if I was building a NAS I would use an allwinner A20 board or something.. Jul 23 19:00:13 mranostay: all is well, for now we are getting torrential rain and lightning. Jul 23 19:00:53 isn't torrenting illegal? Jul 23 19:00:58 no Jul 23 19:01:22 tell that to the mpaa Jul 23 19:01:30 Fiddeling with uart boot on the BBB; I have yet to compile my own x-loader, but my guess is that's what I have to do? One that is capable of receving the next stage via xmodem or whatever too, right? Now I just used the prebuilt MLO. Jul 23 19:01:36 mru: are you a english babies godfather ;) Jul 23 19:01:37 and the uk govt Jul 23 19:01:43 not if you route your internet traffic through a vpn service Jul 23 19:01:44 No such thing as an illegal protocol, I guess. Jul 23 19:01:50 Just illegal sources for content. Jul 23 19:01:59 plundra: stupid question, why? Jul 23 19:02:36 mranostay: I have to access tpb via proxy Jul 23 19:02:39 I mean why do you want to load uboot over serial? Jul 23 19:02:44 Vaizki-: Better understanding of all the parts to it. Jul 23 19:03:06 Vaizki-: Incase I one day can't find my microsd and have fscked the emmc-content? :) Jul 23 19:03:09 <_SY_> hello all Jul 23 19:03:12 a little configuration on my router makes it transparent Jul 23 19:03:52 plundra: x-loader is dead. it's u-boot-spl now. Jul 23 19:05:17 Mkay Jul 23 19:05:45 http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AM335x_U-Boot_User's_Guide Jul 23 19:05:51 loads of stuff there Jul 23 19:06:25 I use an openvpn service with exit servers in 10+ countries Jul 23 19:07:12 Looks familiar, I'll go check it in detail, thanks :) Jul 23 19:07:23 mru: thank you "command >>file 2>&1" worked fine for me. Where do I have to add the tee, so I can see in the output in the commandline as well? Jul 23 19:07:33 yea SPL (or what you see as MLO) is just a stripped down uboot Jul 23 19:08:11 emrkedm: command 2>&1 | tee -a file Jul 23 19:09:05 nice, thanks! Jul 23 19:09:59 <|PiP|`> i bought two Jul 23 19:11:04 <|PiP|`> anyone know where i can buy a nice enclosure for the bbb? Jul 23 19:11:20 LogicSupply Jul 23 19:12:45 heh, me catches up on LWN reading Jul 23 19:13:03 mru: love to see you mentioned ;) Jul 23 19:13:20 huh? Jul 23 19:13:38 Yay, at an u-boot prompt, via UART :) Jul 23 19:14:01 mru: there was a ref. to this: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/230497 Jul 23 19:14:57 that might be approaching abuse Jul 23 19:15:56 lmao, nice Jul 23 19:16:16 looks like Linus under a pseudonym Jul 23 19:18:09 no Jul 23 19:18:28 it doesn't and it wasn't Jul 23 19:18:43 that's rmk in all his glory Jul 23 19:18:56 yea just trolling myself... Jul 23 19:19:08 I don't think he likes me very much Jul 23 19:19:22 oh what gave you that idea Jul 23 19:21:15 mru: indeed Jul 23 19:25:46 cool beaglebone project http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2013/07/hillbilly-tracking-of-low-earth-orbit.html Jul 23 19:26:20 neat Jul 23 19:30:18 SQL is an interesting control channel Jul 23 19:34:09 alright so now I am stuck after the login screen of ubuntu raring 13.04 :( Jul 23 19:34:19 just shows a mouse arrow and nothing else Jul 23 19:34:42 any ideas? reboot I guess? Jul 23 19:38:14 alright so this seems to not really work at all huh Jul 23 19:41:18 ds2 hey are you around ? Jul 23 19:42:23 hey bob..question Jul 23 19:42:28 for you Jul 23 19:42:40 I'm trying to load ubuntu 13.04 raring Jul 23 19:42:47 it just booted up, and I clicked guest log in Jul 23 19:42:54 and screen's been black for a while now Jul 23 19:42:56 is that normal? Jul 23 19:43:11 hdmi ? Jul 23 19:43:27 yes it's connected Jul 23 19:43:32 one second Jul 23 19:43:36 names billybob btw Jul 23 19:43:39 last boot I went in under ubuntu Jul 23 19:44:03 and got the colors and an arrow but didn't load past that Jul 23 19:44:09 so i rebooted and tried guest login Jul 23 19:44:34 this has to do with time settings on the BBB, so since there is no rtc, or one that maintains clock when powered down, it has to do with the BBB thinking its been idle for 20 years or somethign liek that Jul 23 19:44:49 g'night trolls Jul 23 19:44:51 so the screen is in sleep mode Jul 23 19:45:02 yeah but the keyboard doesn't wake it up Jul 23 19:45:08 let me see if i can find the command that will wake it up Jul 23 19:45:13 via ssh Jul 23 19:45:20 nigth panto Jul 23 19:46:36 To wake up the HDMI display remotely: Jul 23 19:46:37 echo 0 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/blank Jul 23 19:47:08 what do you mean "remotely"? Jul 23 19:47:14 connect to the bbb via ssh, if that doesnt work then idk Jul 23 19:47:23 what is ssh? Jul 23 19:47:26 .... Jul 23 19:47:29 :D Jul 23 19:47:44 ssh is ssh Jul 23 19:47:50 secure shell Jul 23 19:47:58 how do I get ssh? Jul 23 19:48:12 is that like th black command screen Jul 23 19:48:30 if you dont know what ssh is then i cant help you Jul 23 19:48:39 time for a google session. Jul 23 19:48:54 yeah but I literally just installed ubuntu 13.04 Jul 23 19:48:58 repartitioned the hard drive Jul 23 19:49:06 and then rebooted Jul 23 19:49:09 it came up Jul 23 19:49:13 I typed password ubuntu Jul 23 19:49:22 and then it goes colors, and frozen Jul 23 19:49:35 I unplugged and rebooted that way cause the reboot button did nothing Jul 23 19:49:41 and then black screen Jul 23 19:51:17 time ot learn how to use Linux :) Jul 23 19:51:28 yeah that's why I got this thing Jul 23 19:52:02 ok so is it common to not get past the log in screen? Jul 23 19:52:03 you're on windows I assume, google "putty" and start reading Jul 23 19:53:15 putty? Jul 23 19:54:05 yeah pretty sure once I log in...the system frys Jul 23 19:54:21 only blue lights on the bone are power and usb micro which is what I'm powering off of Jul 23 19:58:59 eh I'll just give up and do something else Jul 23 19:59:21 maybe go get a pi or something that's more user friendly and has more help out there Jul 23 20:00:56 you might want to try the ubuntu crowd for help Jul 23 20:02:02 Guest77976: I can't say for sure exactly what happened, do you have one of the UART debugging cables? Just like powering off any computer mid process, you could corrupt data on storage... Jul 23 20:03:48 unlikely with journaled filesystems Jul 23 20:03:50 I don't know what a debugging cable is...but it appears from google I'm not the only person with this issue Jul 23 20:04:07 wasn't the beagle wall 1 beagle per monitor? Jul 23 20:05:09 ds2: yeah Jul 23 20:05:53 heh the pi wall is one extra board Jul 23 20:06:09 er doing what? Jul 23 20:06:34 mranostay: It still happens, though not often due to FTL issues. Especially if there is no brown-out detection. Jul 23 20:07:19 ok so i'm at ubuntu main screen Jul 23 20:07:31 it says ubuntu user, guest session remote login Jul 23 20:07:31 georgem: what is FTL in this context? Jul 23 20:07:46 Flash translation layer Jul 23 20:08:04 at the top it showed a keyboard, says "en" shows a piece of pie, a speaker volume, the time which is correct, and a gear button at the top right Jul 23 20:08:36 as I said, maybe ask the ubuntu guys Jul 23 20:09:02 I don't think there are many ubuntu users here Jul 23 20:09:06 Guest77976: So it appears to be a login prompt? Jul 23 20:09:17 I used to be a buntu user Jul 23 20:10:07 I just connected a moust...I have no mouse cursor...but I can highlight things with it Jul 23 20:10:10 but you found jesus? Jul 23 20:10:22 I haven't logged in yet Jul 23 20:10:31 because it keeps freezing blank screen when i do Jul 23 20:10:33 heh Jul 23 20:13:12 I've also run into a problem a handful of times where if power is killed when gdm is in the right state it won't come up again unless you clear out something in .config or something Jul 23 20:13:16 help push that Beaglebone satellite tracking project up the ranks of HackerNews, it's on the front page now Jul 23 20:13:31 that wasn't with angstrom though so can't say for sure its possible Jul 23 20:14:32 omg something is freezing this fucking ubuntu Jul 23 20:14:55 the beagle bone stops flickering the blue lights and just goes back to two solid lights Jul 23 20:14:58 and that's it Jul 23 20:15:08 and the screen image just freezes Jul 23 20:16:04 on BBB? Jul 23 20:16:16 if USR LEDs are going solid then ubuntu is not instaled correctly. Jul 23 20:16:49 aaargh how I hate the systemd journal Jul 23 20:17:09 vaizki go with debian :P Jul 23 20:17:15 yeah im kidding. Jul 23 20:17:31 I'm running Arch and otherwise very happy with it Jul 23 20:17:55 small install ? Jul 23 20:18:11 Personally im happier with debian. Jul 23 20:18:15 thats me though Jul 23 20:18:23 what do you mean small install? Jul 23 20:18:28 I know debian pretty well Jul 23 20:18:51 just curious as to why you're using ARCH Jul 23 20:18:57 yea I know debian like the back of my hand but I still prefer arch now Jul 23 20:19:05 +1 Jul 23 20:19:26 +1 to preferring arch or wanting to know why? :) Jul 23 20:19:33 yeah Jul 23 20:19:37 lol Jul 23 20:19:46 preferring :) Jul 23 20:20:15 arch is "tight" if you know what I mean Jul 23 20:20:24 and bleeding edge ;) Jul 23 20:20:25 and debian isnt ? Jul 23 20:20:29 I think it's power supply Jul 23 20:20:35 debian definately isnt bleeding edge Jul 23 20:20:41 is anyone using usb and mini usb to power everything? Jul 23 20:20:48 Linux eskar-bbb 3.8.13-7-ARCH #1 SMP Sat Jul 13 11:54:56 CDT 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux Jul 23 20:20:53 debian is bleeding edge, as long as you have a time machine Jul 23 20:20:56 that's how bleeding edge arch is.. Jul 23 20:21:03 at least mine Jul 23 20:21:10 does remote login take me to ssh? Jul 23 20:21:16 vaizki well in this case it is not much ahead of Debian Jul 23 20:21:27 drivers now . . . yeah i have no idea Jul 23 20:21:32 yea.. but I dunno. I am bored with Debian Jul 23 20:21:51 and I hate upgrading major versions Jul 23 20:21:59 I prefer debian for as you say knowing it well ( like the back of my hand ) Jul 23 20:22:19 how do you install a usb hub on angstrom? Jul 23 20:22:23 whaat Jul 23 20:22:33 you don't Jul 23 20:22:34 Debian is good if you're not doing something requiring the latest feature versions of packages and just intend on keeping the way it is for a long time Jul 23 20:23:01 georgem i kind of see that as a feature. but it all boils down to what you need / want Jul 23 20:23:09 georgem: and after a long time when you try to update packages the repos are not there anymore and then apt breaks up and .. ;) Jul 23 20:23:22 ive found that most if not al Linuxes are not truely cutting edge Jul 23 20:23:45 I'm not saying arch is all good. but I like it a lot Jul 23 20:23:47 Vaizki|, have you checked the debian archives? you can still get debs for almost every debian release Jul 23 20:23:53 just not all mirrors still mirror Jul 23 20:23:57 yea I know Jul 23 20:23:59 m_billybob: arch pretty much is, infact it will get broken if upstream doesn't have their shit right Jul 23 20:24:16 it can be a problem Jul 23 20:24:18 I am running a debian etch still Jul 23 20:24:27 Sabayon made that claim years back but still didnt support my "new" ICH9R chipset back then Jul 23 20:24:35 hence i could get access to my SATA drives Jul 23 20:24:59 Vaizki|, you should probably upgrade :) Jul 23 20:25:28 yea I should upgrade that. but it's a pain. with arch there are no releases ;) Jul 23 20:25:47 Vaizki|, yes, so you get pain all the time :) rolling release ftw! Jul 23 20:26:12 my personal preferences for any OS though is solidness. which I think Debian does well, so long as your hardware is supported Jul 23 20:26:36 thats the problem *if* there is hardware support Jul 23 20:26:45 * bradfa loves hardware supported complaints directed at distributions Jul 23 20:27:04 * bradfa wonders if people realize hardware support is a kernel thing Jul 23 20:27:10 no they don't Jul 23 20:27:22 * m_billybob does Jul 23 20:27:49 * bradfa wonders when ti will finally get upstreaming going again for am335x Jul 23 20:27:53 I've noticed that most of the time something gets broken in Arch it happens with a package that has switch to a package which has a version ending in .0 less than a week after it was released by upstream. If they had a package feed that held things back a little bit longer I'm convinced they could make it a lot less troublesome. Jul 23 20:27:57 thing is debian is much behind the curve Jul 23 20:28:11 m_billybob, that's kind of the point Jul 23 20:28:30 just like rhel or ubuntu lts Jul 23 20:28:31 yeap one which dgoes both ways Jul 23 20:28:43 m_billybob, I fail to see how that has anything to do with hardware support Jul 23 20:29:27 it has to do with the fact that drivers on debian will not be updated but once every 1-2 years. Jul 23 20:29:57 drivers? you mean kernel modules? Jul 23 20:29:58 m_billybob, drivers are a kernel thing, nothing stopping you from running a backports kernel or building your own Jul 23 20:30:18 bradfa you can do anything with any linux on talkign inside the dev tree Jul 23 20:30:26 you can go outside of that tree and do whatever you want Jul 23 20:30:38 you can also render your install less reliable Jul 23 20:30:49 m_billybob, I'm not talking about in/out of tree, I'm talking about using debian backports or building your own mainline kernel Jul 23 20:31:08 http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ Jul 23 20:31:19 you can run linux 3.2 on squeeze Jul 23 20:31:22 * bradfa did Jul 23 20:31:25 SO you'retallign me a kernel thats updated more frequenty wont have newer support for hardware ? Jul 23 20:31:46 m_billybob, a kernel that's more recent probably has better support for newer hardware Jul 23 20:32:01 ok, so you still dotn see my point ? Jul 23 20:32:08 m_billybob, no, not at all Jul 23 20:32:24 im not a kernel dev, i tend to use what is given to me. Jul 23 20:33:27 I do not go out and compile new kernels, well i do, but only for support of drivers that are not included by default. Jul 23 20:33:43 but i stay with the same kernel version as was provided to me Jul 23 20:33:53 m_billybob, if you use debian backports you don't need to compile anything, you can just use a newer kernel already packaged by the debian kernel team Jul 23 20:34:18 I dont do that Jul 23 20:34:29 m_billybob, but you could Jul 23 20:34:32 I suppose i could Jul 23 20:34:52 to be sure there its lots I could do, but mostly its a time thing Jul 23 20:35:02 m_billybob, time investment is about 5 minutes Jul 23 20:35:13 assuming i am familiar with it Jul 23 20:35:13 less than that if you have a fast internet connection Jul 23 20:35:33 m_billybob, exact steps -> http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ Jul 23 20:35:58 * m_billybob wouldprefer exact steps for gettign g_ether rootfs working :P Jul 23 20:36:00 then install linux-image-3.2 Jul 23 20:36:15 m_billybob, use robert nelson's scripts Jul 23 20:36:37 guess i am missing the point Jul 23 20:36:47 why would i want to downgrade kernels ? Jul 23 20:37:22 * bradfa gives up and goes home Jul 23 20:37:25 * m_billybob is using wheezy Jul 23 20:39:29 bradfa dotn worry too much about it i am quite happy with where I am now. Jul 23 20:43:14 have I ever ranted about how I hate microHDMI? Jul 23 20:45:03 The beaglebone black appears to have hardcoded pinmux for the lcd that isn't set in the device tree? Does anyone know how to prevent the pins being used for lcd/disable this/override this/change this ? Jul 23 20:45:14 chuck the device tree Jul 23 20:45:25 pardon ? Jul 23 20:45:30 ds2 you wouldnt be the first one Jul 23 20:47:33 Anyway I'm trying to claim the pins for the PRU but I think the lcd has hold of them Jul 23 20:47:43 so seems backports is similar to changing branches to testing or unstable then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. typically a bad bad idea always. Jul 23 20:49:03 Stanto what is "the LCD" ? Jul 23 20:51:43 sounds like you have a few options. e.g. if using an LCD cape, dont use it, or make your own, or live without the PRU's Jul 23 21:06:03 evening folks Jul 23 21:06:58 I've got a rev B beagleboard that doesn't seem to find the usb hub connected to its otg port anymore Jul 23 21:07:17 any idea where to even start looking? Jul 23 21:09:15 classic? Jul 23 21:09:32 if so, check the OTG adapter cable Jul 23 21:11:24 ds2: will do, I think I've still got a spare one somewhere Jul 23 21:12:35 I mean the network driver for the USB-to-Ethernet thing would occasionally hang and require a restart to keep working, but a reboo usually fixed that Jul 23 21:13:05 * kblin sneaks in a t Jul 23 21:13:18 usually it is a bad adapter... I had one that flaked on me Jul 23 21:13:37 if it is a rev B, you probally got it from the same source as mine Jul 23 21:13:46 did I mention how I hate systemd journal... Jul 23 21:14:03 thou shalt refrain from using systemd Jul 23 21:16:07 how braindead do you have to be to automatically start a pager when a command is given without any special args Jul 23 21:17:28 Vaizki|: you mean like 'man' does? Jul 23 21:17:43 yea Jul 23 21:17:51 you got it in one! Jul 23 21:17:52 :) Jul 23 21:18:04 for well-behaved commands, you can disable it by setting PAGER=cat Jul 23 21:18:41 but I doubt lennart believes in environment variables Jul 23 21:18:52 and the fact that BBB doesn't have battery backup RTC seems to screw up journal when time resets to Jan 1 2000 Jul 23 21:19:00 you're probably supposed to use dbus to change some secret gconf setting Jul 23 21:19:46 ds2: I doubt that, it's a miniA-to-miniB cable I bought extra Jul 23 21:21:59 but now that I think of it, I had one of these hubs die on me before Jul 23 21:24:35 o/ Jul 23 21:25:52 anyone here using debian wheezy on their host and connecting a BBB? Jul 23 21:26:11 ok, but even if I avoid the hub and just plug in a pendrive I don't see anything in the kernel log Jul 23 21:26:25 when i plug in the usb cable from the BBB it kills my wired network on my pc host Jul 23 21:26:42 kblin: you will need the ID pin grounded Jul 23 21:26:51 i've tried stopping my avahi-daemon on my pc Jul 23 21:27:11 Rickta59: the BBB shows up as a new network interface and probably your routing is screwed up Jul 23 21:27:15 Rickta59: network manager being either evil or stupid, I think Jul 23 21:27:31 yeah that is what is happening Jul 23 21:27:36 is there any way to fix that? Jul 23 21:27:37 " [21:49:03] Stanto what is "the LCD" ?" gpios for the lcd/hdmi output are mapped to the breakout pins irrespective of the pinmux to attempt to re-allocate them Jul 23 21:27:38 ds2: well, using the adapter cable should do that, right? Jul 23 21:27:55 I'm not using an lcd cape Jul 23 21:28:03 and I don't want to live without the pru's Jul 23 21:28:23 so the HDMI framer pins conflict with PRUs? Jul 23 21:28:32 Yes Jul 23 21:29:21 kblin: yes. but if that part breaks, nothing will work Jul 23 21:29:25 well you can stop the HDMI "cape" from loading at boot? Jul 23 21:29:44 ds2: but with two different cables? Jul 23 21:29:45 vaizki, I don't know, can you ? Jul 23 21:30:04 ds2: one of them is preactically unused Jul 23 21:30:29 Stanto: yes :) Jul 23 21:30:38 vaizki, how ? Jul 23 21:31:31 how much power can I draw from an OTG port? I'm trying to figure out if I've got anything lying around here that just leeches power off the USB port to see if that part's working Jul 23 21:33:38 Stanto: add capemgr.disable_partno=BB-BONELT-HDMI,BB-BONELT-HDMIN to the kernel params (optargs) in uEnv.txt Jul 23 21:33:42 ok, the USB hub works fine Jul 23 21:33:48 kblin: keyboards should work Jul 23 21:33:53 in another system, that is Jul 23 21:34:35 Page closed] Jul 23 21:34:55 grr, oversensitive touchpad Jul 23 21:35:18 ok, num lock doesn't light up Jul 23 21:36:53 vaizki, that definitely works? how'd you find that out ? Jul 23 21:37:34 nothing with three different adapters Jul 23 21:40:03 Just ordered the beaglebone black, cannot wait to see how much better it is than the r pi Jul 23 21:40:11 54 Jul 23 21:40:40 mru: hehe Jul 23 21:40:55 fredblogs: do you already own a RPi? Jul 23 21:41:02 oh well, I guess the port is dead... Jul 23 21:41:34 borrowed one but was not impressed by the speed, hoping for a bit more with the bbone Jul 23 21:41:51 fredblogs: what seemed slow on the RPi? Jul 23 21:42:12 compiling samba ;) Jul 23 21:42:36 the arm core should be about twice as fast for most things Jul 23 21:42:37 hm, the port can't be completely dead, powers up the beagle as device just fine Jul 23 21:42:38 installed raspbarian and wanted to run libre office Jul 23 21:42:50 you kidding? Jul 23 21:42:55 * prpplague chokes on his coffee Jul 23 21:43:22 is there any java for arm worth its salt? Jul 23 21:43:31 hoping to have a slick ubuntu desktop and faster libre office Jul 23 21:43:31 s/for arm// Jul 23 21:43:34 and the answer is no Jul 23 21:43:39 fair enough Jul 23 21:44:17 fredblogs: and are you also trying to win formula 1 races with a lawnmower? Jul 23 21:44:38 lib-reoffice brings a high-end workstation to a crawl Jul 23 21:45:14 mru: arguably so does the competition from redmont :) Jul 23 21:45:34 msword 6 wasn't _that_ slow Jul 23 21:45:52 but also about 20 years ago Jul 23 21:46:16 if it ran on arm, it would fly on a bone Jul 23 21:46:24 evening boys! Jul 23 21:46:27 what did i miss? Jul 23 21:46:31 JIHAD! Jul 23 21:46:42 hmm.. can't be Jul 23 21:46:48 there are only two new quotes on 26 Jul 23 21:47:03 maybe I missed something Jul 23 21:47:34 so, what's the deal with my OTG port if device mode seems to work ok, but host mode won't? Jul 23 21:47:34 you know that 26 is suppoed to be a summary of what's going on in #beagle? Jul 23 21:48:14 no, I don't think that's the intent Jul 23 21:48:20 it isnt? Jul 23 21:48:25 why didnt anyone tell me? Jul 23 21:48:30 I'm pretty sure it's only supposed to contain the funniest parts Jul 23 21:48:40 isnt that the only part that matters? ;) Jul 23 21:48:45 hm, also, is a device-mode beagle supposed to show up on my host's dmesg output? Jul 23 21:49:07 kblin: if it enumerates,yes Jul 23 21:49:09 kblin: like any usb device Jul 23 21:49:31 KotH: correction, the funniest bits the site maintainer notices Jul 23 21:49:43 libra office was just a little sluggish on rpi, hoping for just a bit more umph with bbone Jul 23 21:50:16 * KotH votes the make said site manager to be omnipresent and omniscient Jul 23 21:50:29 fredblogs: are we having an understatement competition? Jul 23 21:50:40 ok, then I'm even more convinced the OTG port is shot Jul 23 21:50:57 kblin: it could be just a resistor toggling missing Jul 23 21:51:12 kblin: get a beagle and see what it really does on the usb port Jul 23 21:51:24 kblin: beagle12 or beagle480 that is Jul 23 21:51:37 what or whatnow? Jul 23 21:51:40 on the rpi, libra office was usable - just, After overclocking. Jul 23 21:51:59 kblin: sacrifice some infidels to the DCT Jul 23 21:52:00 I find that impossible to believe Jul 23 21:52:19 KotH: the discrete cosine transform? Jul 23 21:52:31 mru: delicious chocolate troll :) Jul 23 21:52:48 mru: (c) by dm8tbr :) Jul 23 21:53:38 oh right, need to remember to look for one next time I'm in brussels Jul 23 21:53:53 no idea when that might be Jul 23 21:54:02 at latest fosdem? Jul 23 21:54:52 anyway, further debugging needs to wait Jul 23 21:54:55 SIGWIFE :) Jul 23 21:54:59 ordered my bbone black from farnell is it likely it will come tomorrow or is the stock outside uk? Jul 23 21:55:03 I'm likelier to be there during fosdem than most other weekends Jul 23 21:55:12 fredblogs: farnell tells you that Jul 23 21:55:35 I wont wait in then? Jul 23 21:55:39 the sooner you order, the sooner you get it Jul 23 21:55:47 wherever it ships from Jul 23 21:56:23 fredblogs: you have to make some offerings to the deities of cco Jul 23 21:56:51 fredblogs: ie send chocolate to koen and uzo to panto Jul 23 21:57:25 I am not familiar with your acronyms I'm afraid Jul 23 21:57:43 dont worry, you will be trolled until you learn them Jul 23 21:58:24 anyways.. Jul 23 21:58:37 night boys, girls, trolls and trollettes Jul 23 21:58:39 koen is an acronym? Jul 23 21:58:46 as is panto Jul 23 21:58:58 Yes, I guess so but I could troll quite a few people on topics like java and servicemix. I am a fish out of water. Jul 23 21:59:05 KotH: I met a trollette recently Jul 23 21:59:26 two actually, come to think of it Jul 23 21:59:43 mru: were tehy nice? Jul 23 21:59:53 mru: are they comming to elce? :) Jul 23 22:00:29 but i should be sleeping... have to get up to soon again Jul 23 22:01:02 KotH: one of them was becky, of whom you should have heard here Jul 23 22:01:34 kblin:maybe it is the jack? Jul 23 22:01:47 kblin: does it work as a device? Jul 23 22:01:52 oh it does... Jul 23 22:02:03 then it has to be an id pin issue...rev C's have a TP you can short Jul 23 22:02:06 KotH: remember the hootenanny challenge? Jul 23 22:02:12 u sure u using a mini A? Jul 23 22:02:40 When I get my board is this a good place to ask fish out of water questions (but not dumb ones)? Jul 23 22:03:37 if it's a minnowboard, sure Jul 23 22:03:41 mru: is beckyb in our trolling community? Jul 23 22:03:57 isn't an aquarium more appropriate/ Jul 23 22:04:04 they deal more with fishes Jul 23 22:05:34 mranostay: no, but I sent her an invite now Jul 23 22:07:44 hmm paralella says they've shipped the first boards.. finally.. Jul 23 22:08:08 did they ship them in parallel? Jul 23 22:08:34 hmmmmmm wtf is wrong with gcc Jul 23 22:08:38 gcc Jul 23 22:08:46 mru: +2 Jul 23 22:08:48 internal compiler error: in dwarf2out_finish, at dwarf2out.c:18906 Jul 23 22:08:50 grrr Jul 23 22:08:55 on 2 different compilers too Jul 23 22:09:55 oh that one Jul 23 22:10:00 what target? Jul 23 22:10:04 arm Jul 23 22:10:06 wtf Jul 23 22:10:07 host arm Jul 23 22:10:10 host x86 I mean Jul 23 22:10:17 this is the android pre-built gcc Jul 23 22:10:20 I've only seen that with obscure targets Jul 23 22:10:27 drop -g Jul 23 22:10:33 usually helps Jul 23 22:10:34 building th ekernel Jul 23 22:10:35 sleep& Jul 23 22:10:41 let me try that Jul 23 22:10:47 i'd go newer but I am on a sucky link Jul 23 22:12:05 ok so if i do ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 it fixes itself with debian Vaizki| and kblin Jul 23 23:22:25 So when flashing the BBB, from the beginning I'm getting 3 solid user lights , is that to be expected? Jul 23 23:26:06 3 solid? should be 4 when complete Jul 23 23:26:09 and 4 flashing when flashing Jul 23 23:26:45 hmm maybe my image didn't create properly. Jul 23 23:37:46 maxinux: when I hold down the user button I am supposed to wait for the lights to flash before I let go, they never come on.. :( Jul 23 23:40:26 yes Jul 23 23:40:54 What might I be doing wrong that would cause those lights to never come on while holding onto the button or even after letting go? Jul 23 23:41:48 press and hold user, then probably press power while thats held Jul 23 23:42:26 yeah tried that as well, no response. Jul 23 23:46:42 Has anyone sucessfully upgraded hardware revisions, while keeping the same software on the microusb? Jul 23 23:49:10 My rev a3 was bricked and now I have an a6 that won't the old sd card. If I cannot use the old card directly what is the best way to transfer data? Jul 23 23:50:09 it should boot the old SD card if the SD card was not fucked in the bricking Jul 23 23:50:49 When I connect the new board through the microusb cable it shows only a boot partition Jul 23 23:51:26 Which probably means it should be ok Jul 23 23:54:05 does anyone know of the smallest image that for sure will run on the bbb that I can test to make sure I'm doing that part right? IE link? Jul 24 00:02:03 maxinux: ? Jul 24 00:02:17 angstrom is the default Jul 24 00:02:36 but that is already installed. I was perhapse looking for something that wasn't that Jul 24 00:02:51 arch linux ? Jul 24 00:03:10 does it run properly? Jul 24 00:03:26 i dunno Jul 24 00:03:32 angstrom is the only one that really runs well :| Jul 24 00:03:35 i have ubuntu "workign" Jul 24 00:03:44 thats what I'm looking for.. I'm just loook.. nvmd. Jul 24 00:09:16 maxinux, debian works very well Jul 24 00:09:27 YEAH Jul 24 00:09:30 ERR Jul 24 00:09:32 err Jul 24 00:09:32 yeah? Jul 24 00:09:54 heh Jul 24 00:10:10 debian doesnt work very well it works great. Jul 24 00:10:20 god this channel has gone to shit Jul 24 00:10:31 does the microsd card need to have a specific name to be recognized for the flash? Jul 24 00:10:39 why is that mranostay ? because i came out of hiding ? Jul 24 00:10:51 hello troll mranostay Jul 24 00:13:20 also, how can the flasher image be 3gb, larger than the space on the board...\ Jul 24 00:13:40 I am trying to talk to beagle over serial since my network settings arent working. Its getting hung up at this error [ 12.166564] init: ureadahead main process (169) terminated with status 5 [ 12.483856] init: mounted-dev main process (175) terminated with status 1 Jul 24 00:16:31 sk94s can you pastebin the whole bootup log ? Jul 24 00:16:52 well bootup output but yeah Jul 24 00:18:36 combatwombat: code to actually flash it :) Jul 24 00:22:06 so should I be basically slip streaming other images into that Jul 24 00:22:17 otherwise, how does it know to flash maxinux Jul 24 00:25:56 is there any documentation on that process? Jul 24 00:26:57 simply catting the file to the device Jul 24 00:27:25 I'm sorry? Jul 24 00:42:25 Hey I want to start a project involving the beagle board can someone answer this on question i have? Jul 24 00:42:41 *beagle bone black Jul 24 00:48:34 Well, not if you don't ask. Jul 24 00:51:37 sorry was waiting to see if anyone would respond, but do you think Beaglebone Blck could handle a nintendo 64 emulator that also has multiplayer over wifif? Jul 24 00:51:42 *wifi Jul 24 00:52:12 Multiplayer - what do you mean? Jul 24 00:52:24 Do you mean using many bbb's? Jul 24 00:53:44 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32937 seems sort-of-relevant. Jul 24 00:54:12 It seems to require opengl support, which I don't know if is implemented Jul 24 00:54:39 just one and there is an emulator that you can play multiplayer for games like super smash bros just like n64 except over wifi Jul 24 00:54:41 someone is emulating SNES Jul 24 00:54:53 dont think the BBB is powerful enough for Nintendo64 Jul 24 00:56:12 As I recall and im by no means an authority I believe emulating the Nintendo64 on modern x86 is not an easy chore. Jul 24 00:58:30 is there a way to just boot from the sd card instead of using the sd card to reimage the rom? Jul 24 00:59:12 yes. Jul 24 00:59:38 ...... mind telling me how? Jul 24 00:59:48 With angstrom no idea of the process but with debian it is fairly easy. Jul 24 00:59:56 time consuming though Jul 24 01:00:07 well depends on whcih route you take i guess Jul 24 01:00:30 Are you speaking to me? Jul 24 01:00:40 http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack Jul 24 01:00:58 thats for crosscompiling Debian/ubuntu and uboot Jul 24 01:01:47 if you need to know how to setup Angstrom on an SD card, i have no idea. Jul 24 01:02:05 no, ... I guess I'm a bit confused here. Jul 24 01:02:20 I mean say I have my image, and I just want to try and boot to it from sd Jul 24 01:02:35 I have no idea of how to do that Jul 24 01:02:58 I would assume you could dd it onto the SD card *somehow* but yeah never done that Jul 24 01:03:28 with the BBW it's so easy Jul 24 01:03:44 with the BBW you have no eMMC Jul 24 01:04:05 So, what part is what loads what is on the sd to eMMC? Jul 24 01:05:36 I have a linux system I want to try and get running on here, but I really can't figure out how to take it from the sd card onto the eMMC, which I assume is necessary to run it. Jul 24 01:05:39 the usr boot button Jul 24 01:06:40 from what I was being told earlier, without the right stuff on the sd, it won't even try to image the eMMC Jul 24 01:06:58 put the sd card in, hold the user boot button (the button away from the etheernet), boot while holding down usr boot Jul 24 01:09:02 that is assuming I have a proper image set to redo the eMMC.... Jul 24 01:09:02 wait for the leds to flash and release Jul 24 01:10:02 then disconnect when not flashing Jul 24 01:10:03 yes Jul 24 01:11:08 Thats what I'm saying, I'm trying to take the linux system I have (ipfire arm based) and see what I need to do to boot it on the BBB Jul 24 01:12:25 is it on the sd card Jul 24 01:12:33 yep.. Jul 24 01:12:38 ok then Jul 24 01:12:44 and doing the hold down, wait etc etc... doesn't work Jul 24 01:13:11 Hello all, I have a bb black with the current Angstrom. When I boot it with a microSD inserted loaded with Ubuntu 13.04, Ubuntu boots - I thought I needed to either hold down the boot button or delete the MLO from the eMMC for that to happen - which is correct? Jul 24 01:15:30 baboo: When I have the sd card with ipfire ARM version on it, I hold down the user button, and plug in the power. When I do that, normally I wait for the LEDs to start flashing, however, they never flash.. only the power light is on. Jul 24 01:16:31 combatwombat, http://learn.adafruit.com/beaglebone-black-installing-operating-systems/flashing-the-beaglebone-black Jul 24 01:17:31 i plug in the usb Jul 24 01:17:32 what revision is yours? Jul 24 01:17:32 i have A4 Jul 24 01:17:58 baboo: is there a quick way to see the rev? Jul 24 01:21:09 also, I'm currently attempting to flash the current rev of Angstrom, I managed to get the lights to flash, etc, and they were flashing about 5 minutes, now the light closest to the ethernet port is the only one on and it is solid Jul 24 01:21:29 Excuse me, the 2nd light closest. Jul 24 01:21:32 Is that normal? Jul 24 01:21:52 it took me over an hour to flash the new angstrom, lights kept blinking the whole time Jul 24 01:21:56 yes Jul 24 01:22:04 disconnect and reconnect Jul 24 01:22:06 Shit, it is freaking me out that no lights are flashing Jul 24 01:22:11 it is just that one solid :( Jul 24 01:22:35 combatwombat Jul 24 01:22:38 get a serial cable Jul 24 01:22:38 did you disconnect and reconnect? Jul 24 01:22:38 :p Jul 24 01:23:00 when i went to flash mine Jul 24 01:23:05 i had to do it manually Jul 24 01:23:10 as the auto emmc flasher didnt work Jul 24 01:23:11 :( Jul 24 01:23:16 serial to what, those pins? Jul 24 01:23:18 had to run the script manually Jul 24 01:23:22 yah, the ftdi header Jul 24 01:23:32 baboo, i will try, don't hold the user button? Jul 24 01:23:38 nope Jul 24 01:24:18 beaglebone is booting and it is at a terminal login, kernal 3.8.13 Jul 24 01:24:18 you already installed it onto the emmc Jul 24 01:24:44 normal Jul 24 01:25:01 I'm not sure if this is the angstrom that was already on the board or what I was attempting to install. Jul 24 01:25:17 what was the img name Jul 24 01:25:43 whatever the latest is, just downloaded it... Jul 24 01:26:08 2013.06.20 Jul 24 01:26:37 But what I'm saying is I don't know if this is diff from what was already on here, aka, if I successfully flashed it :P Jul 24 01:27:15 btw, when you flash on the same distro, put a file in ~ so you can see if everything gor overwritten Jul 24 01:27:15 you may have downloaded the non-gui version Jul 24 01:27:45 I think i borked what was on the eMMC. lol. It boots, shows the first three lights and nothing else. Jul 24 01:27:47 fml.. Jul 24 01:27:51 not my day :/ Jul 24 01:28:07 that's normal Jul 24 01:28:25 it never goes past that.. Jul 24 01:30:31 is the one closest to the pins like a heartbeat? Jul 24 01:30:31 hmm Jul 24 01:31:30 baboo do you have skype or something? Jul 24 01:32:20 google hangouts Jul 24 01:32:26 hat will work Jul 24 01:32:29 that* Jul 24 01:37:13 do a hangout on air so we can all watch Jul 24 01:40:13 yes Jul 24 01:41:24 post the youtu.be link from the share/embed button Jul 24 01:42:48 it isn't actually happening Jul 24 01:43:19 twitch.tv? Jul 24 01:45:33 yeah so the eMMC is def mesed up, no lights come on at all now when i just boot it Jul 24 01:46:08 that happened to me too, had to flash the new angstrom on again Jul 24 01:46:12 press the reset button Jul 24 01:46:14 i have this issue Jul 24 01:46:23 so i just press reset Jul 24 01:46:34 pressed it, Jul 24 01:46:34 nothing Jul 24 01:46:49 hmm Jul 24 01:47:00 I'm going to try one more thing and then retry flashing eMMC Jul 24 01:47:00 does it show on your computer? Jul 24 01:47:21 baboo you mean does it mount? Jul 24 01:47:21 on my computer? I use hdmi out, I don't do it via the usb. Jul 24 01:47:28 ok Jul 24 01:47:38 and BobCatz0r, yes Jul 24 01:49:37 my hp touchpad Jul 24 01:52:14 I think I'm going to try and get the eMMC fixed, then worry about trying to get the ipfire booting off sd. Jul 24 01:52:22 *long night ahead* Jul 24 01:52:24 yes Jul 24 01:58:39 So even if I'm not trying to flash the eMMC and I only want to boot off the sd card, I still have to hold the user button during boot? Jul 24 01:58:48 On the BBB that is. Jul 24 01:58:58 yes Jul 24 01:59:23 if there's a valid bootable image in eMMC it'll use that before the SD Jul 24 02:00:14 good to know. Jul 24 02:00:49 yep Jul 24 02:01:01 It's possible to pull one of the boot mode pins to default to SD though. Jul 24 02:02:34 well I'm getting somewhere now.. once I fix my eMMC image, I'm going to have to look into what it takes to get this ARM distro running right on the BBB, as it stands when you hold the user button, it just never lights up anything other than the already lit power led Jul 24 02:03:05 combatwombat: hold the user button while plugging power in Jul 24 02:03:17 yeah thats how i do it maxinux Jul 24 02:03:58 combatwombat, that is NOT what happened with mine, it always boots off sd Jul 24 02:04:05 Hello all, I have a bb black with the current Angstrom. When I boot it with a microSD inserted loaded with Ubuntu 13.04, Ubuntu boots - I thought I needed to either hold down the boot button or delete the MLO from the eMMC for that to happen - which is correct? Jul 24 02:04:07 that Jul 24 02:04:15 I think It just doesn't know how to boot it properly, I was emailing the author of the snes and android setups, and he was telling me something about files that point to the second partition of the sd card, Jul 24 02:05:36 oh.... Jul 24 02:06:04 did you use dd to get the files onto the sd card? Jul 24 02:06:07 also, I just put the latest flashable ubuntu on sd, booted the bbbk without hitting buttons, ubuntu booted up and is running rsync, so I think it's writing the eMMC Jul 24 02:06:40 combatwombat? Jul 24 02:06:58 emeb_mac: I feel like I'm trying to flash with the wrong image :( The .img file is 3.4GB which from my understanding is 1.4GB larger than the eMMC Jul 24 02:07:04 i get my bone sometime tomorrow. Jul 24 02:07:47 babooTP: dd? I have been using "win32 disk imager" and in mac I tried Pi Filler Jul 24 02:07:58 ha, just got 4 lights, let's see if it has ubunut on eMMC now Jul 24 02:07:59 combatwombat: that should work Jul 24 02:08:15 got to go to the pool Jul 24 02:08:34 how long does it take to write the eMMC? Jul 24 02:08:39 a long time Jul 24 02:08:44 > 1 hour for me Jul 24 02:08:53 okay thats a good figure Jul 24 02:08:59 5 minutes for ubunut - I just did it Jul 24 02:09:04 ubuntu Jul 24 02:09:09 heh. lets see what you got Jul 24 02:09:14 did not press any buttons Jul 24 02:09:40 should the .img file be that much bigger than the emmc? that is just the BBB-eMMC-flasher-2013.06.20 file I downloaded for the default system. Jul 24 02:09:50 Linux arm 3.8.13-bone24 #1 SMP Sat Jul 13 10:07:19 UTC 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux Jul 24 02:09:55 the hell is going on Jul 24 02:10:08 combatwombat: that's the image you write to the bootable SD Jul 24 02:10:17 not all of that goes into eMMC Jul 24 02:10:27 ubuntu is 178MB d/l, 800MB on the sd, flashed in 5 mins without hitting buttons Jul 24 02:10:31 but it will be able to flash it ? Jul 24 02:10:40 most of the img i used was empty, filled up 4gb sdhc Jul 24 02:10:45 worked for me Jul 24 02:11:13 so, what differentiates the system from trying to flash the emmc and just booting to sd? Jul 24 02:11:41 the emmc flashing image has a script that runs to set up emmc Jul 24 02:11:42 that is my exact question, it's not working like tfm says Jul 24 02:12:03 if you want to do something else you'll need a different Jul 24 02:16:10 a differnt what? Jul 24 02:17:08 BobCatz0r: I think this might help ", if you have a FAT partition as the first partition of the microSD card and put a uEnv.txt file on it that changes the root filesystem to the second partition of the microSD card device, then it will boot the microSD card automatically. " Jul 24 02:17:18 ah Jul 24 02:17:22 Yours may have that and just be booting automatically Jul 24 02:17:45 so that is actaully how the ubuntu flashing image is already set up Jul 24 02:18:05 because i didn't change any thing just dd the image on the sd Jul 24 02:18:20 sounds like it Jul 24 02:19:07 and so it boots and does an rsync - which wiped out my test file as I hoped it would Jul 24 02:19:35 not strictly "flashing" in my mind, but close enough Jul 24 02:19:46 How does one tell what rev of the BBB board they have? Jul 24 02:19:54 yep, done again in 5 minutes, got 4 lights now Jul 24 02:19:59 So you have it setup to just copy itself onto the emmc? Jul 24 02:20:03 combatwombat, it was on the box Jul 24 02:20:12 Did you do that? Jul 24 02:20:21 BobCatz0r: assuming i don't have the box atm.... Jul 24 02:20:21 the image ..wait... Jul 24 02:20:42 BBB-eMMC-flasher-ubuntu-13.04-2013-07-22.img.xz Jul 24 02:20:45 that Jul 24 02:20:55 oh, that just be their method then.. Jul 24 02:21:01 flashes ubuntu on Jul 24 02:21:07 So assuming I don't have the box, how do I tell my BBB rev? Jul 24 02:21:27 i looked on the board, nothing obvious Jul 24 02:24:50 brb, stupid internet issues. Jul 24 02:28:40 test, am i still here? Jul 24 02:29:06 So, is it normal that the login prompt will be visible while it is flashing the eMMC with Angstrom? Jul 24 02:29:17 Do I need to login for it to continue? If so, what are the credentials? Jul 24 02:29:31 roo with no password Jul 24 02:29:35 root Jul 24 02:29:45 but you don't need to login Jul 24 02:30:08 but it is normal for it to come up while flashing? Jul 24 02:30:27 you can ps ax and see if rsync is running like ubuntu did Jul 24 02:31:46 btw, rev A5A and up has 4 holes for battery phins next to the power plug Jul 24 02:31:49 pins Jul 24 02:32:07 all the B and C changes are minor fixes Jul 24 02:32:14 not software related Jul 24 02:32:33 i have those pins. YAY Jul 24 02:32:39 gladd you asked, now I can add a battery! Jul 24 02:39:15 I can report that Jul 24 02:39:23 BBB-eMMC-flasher-ubuntu-13.04-2013-07-22.img.xz Jul 24 02:39:42 dd'd onto an sd card loads a fresh ubuntu onto eMMC Jul 24 02:39:52 well, unzip it first Jul 24 02:39:55 So, how is it running? Jul 24 02:40:00 just fine Jul 24 02:40:21 I mean like surprisingly well or just okay. Jul 24 02:40:31 haven't done mush yet :) Jul 24 02:40:55 well do Jul 24 02:40:58 and lets see :P Jul 24 02:41:33 I need to get some tools on this, and vnc, no ethernernet or hdmi at the moment Jul 24 02:42:14 they didn't wrap in support for the ethernet or the hdmi?! Jul 24 02:42:51 no, they did, I just don't have hdmi cable Jul 24 02:43:07 and no ethernet, I'm wifi only here Jul 24 02:43:20 just a metter of time Jul 24 02:43:21 oh, you had me worried! Jul 24 02:44:07 I hope that updates to ubuntu/various files doesn't fill up the minimul 2GB of space. Jul 24 02:44:26 How much does it give you for /home spacewise? Jul 24 02:44:46 /dev/mmcblk0p2 1748200 424928 1232804 26% Jul 24 02:44:53 lots of space left Jul 24 02:45:26 Wow... what is taking up sooo much space in normal ubuntu? :P Jul 24 02:45:44 500MB of various stuff Jul 24 02:45:52 that about what I expected Jul 24 02:46:47 I mean like they suggest 8gb for ubuntu on a usb etc. Jul 24 02:47:35 lxde is on here Jul 24 02:47:46 that is much smaller. Jul 24 02:48:52 the ubuntu flashing img is only 800MB, and puts 500 onto the eMMC Jul 24 02:50:10 Helllo Jul 24 02:50:19 Hello! Jul 24 02:51:13 doesn't automount a usb drive... Jul 24 02:55:31 not enough current is why **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 24 02:59:59 2013