**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 29 02:59:58 2013 Jul 29 03:16:59 The beaglebone is not suited to use as a set-top-box. It's strengths lie in the massive GPIO & the pru coprocessors. Jul 29 03:40:18 there are reports of xbmc working, but not spectacularly well. i guess it depends on what video quality you expect from it. Jul 29 03:42:20 a few years ago, i would have said yes, because i had used far inferior computers as set-top boxes but now my standards have changed. Jul 29 04:18:26 * mranostay gets creeped out when someone on G+ likes a year old post Jul 29 04:18:42 sounds like a call to action to me Jul 29 04:27:11 kd0vyu: I did not know about the pru. seems extremely useful! Jul 29 04:28:17 cde: cures cancer and walks my cat too Jul 29 04:28:39 you don't say Jul 29 04:29:46 * mranostay thinks about making a muon detector array Jul 29 04:39:56 oh. Jul 29 04:39:59 mranostay: is a muon something to do with cows? Jul 29 04:42:42 hmm, the plane I am supposed to ride to the US has not left yet Jul 29 04:42:57 this is going to turn into a bad day Jul 29 04:42:58 and your where? Jul 29 04:43:02 Munich Jul 29 04:43:23 nice city munich Jul 29 04:43:30 good beer and sausages Jul 29 04:43:49 ha ha. Jul 29 04:47:08 how long does this flasher image take again? Jul 29 05:05:18 mranostay: lol. Jul 29 05:05:26 how long do you flash for? Jul 29 05:12:11 mrpackethead: said eff it and downloaded a SD image Jul 29 05:12:19 ha ah. Jul 29 05:12:26 which image? Jul 29 05:12:38 i did somethign dumb the other day Jul 29 05:12:44 i used the debian flasher image Jul 29 05:12:48 when away Jul 29 05:12:50 came back Jul 29 05:12:52 and logged into it Jul 29 05:12:57 and started setting stuff up Jul 29 05:13:02 wondered why it did'tn work so well Jul 29 05:13:10 something was very odd. Jul 29 05:13:18 i still had the flasher image running! Jul 29 06:11:49 any good tutorials on setting up ethernet over usb bridge for a bbb with debian on both ends (host/client)? Jul 29 06:12:18 my google foo on the subject is apparently weak and my feeble attempts are failing. Jul 29 06:16:18 I have same mission today :) Jul 29 06:16:51 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 2 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/u_3qew Jul 29 06:16:51 kernel/3.8 1b688ae Zubair Lutfullah: Add continuous sampling to ADC in 3.8 and refresh patchset... Jul 29 06:16:51 kernel/3.8 2236771 Koen Kooi: Merge pull request #53 from ZubairLK/3.8-continuous-adc... Jul 29 06:17:22 Bysmyyr: For me, I think the problem is on the host side...but not sure yet. Jul 29 06:18:29 or maybe I missread your post. I have asix usb-etnernet dongle Jul 29 06:19:09 Bysmyyr: oh weird, since the bbb has onboard ethernet port. Now I'm confused about what you are doing. Jul 29 06:19:31 aa, I have old beagleboard c Jul 29 06:19:38 gotcha Jul 29 06:19:53 morning... Jul 29 06:24:52 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 3 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/e_87VQ Jul 29 06:24:52 kernel/3.8 5388f61 Koen Kooi: 3.8: fix cape fw chicken and egg problem... Jul 29 06:24:52 kernel/3.8 c054d0f Koen Kooi: Merge branch '3.8' of github.com:beagleboard/kernel into 3.8 Jul 29 06:24:52 kernel/3.8 4d42ff4 Koen Kooi: 3.8: update .config with firmware timeout... Jul 29 06:26:45 trolls Jul 29 06:27:10 koen: is being busy i see Jul 29 06:37:40 productive! Jul 29 06:50:17 woah huge explosions just now in se Jul 29 06:50:27 * breedx sorry wrong channel Jul 29 06:55:16 Hi Jul 29 07:26:41 Hi Jul 29 07:27:03 Is there a Beagle bone Home automation expert here? Jul 29 07:27:17 *BeagleBone Jul 29 07:36:35 Mpackt: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Jul 29 07:39:12 Home automation was always of my interest.. Jul 29 07:39:24 but never g..ot to work on it commercially Jul 29 07:50:32 CHOCOLATE JIHAD! Jul 29 07:53:51 I am looking for a home automation person. Jul 29 07:54:02 please contact me mohammadr@packtpub.com Jul 29 07:57:52 Mpackt: i'm looking for a sponsor Jul 29 07:58:00 Mpackt: please contact me at attila@kinali.ch Jul 29 07:58:06 KotH: No chocolate, but I can offer fresh strawberries with some whipped cream Jul 29 07:58:22 koen: that's ok. i'll take that too :) Jul 29 07:59:44 Mpackt: livery place at livery street... funny address you have there :) Jul 29 08:02:05 ok Jul 29 08:03:40 r_con: what did you work on ? Jul 29 08:03:56 r_con: worked a bit on it myself Jul 29 08:08:39 Atilla please check mail. Jul 29 08:08:49 Mpackt: lol Jul 29 08:08:57 Mpackt: you should have asked that here in the channel directly Jul 29 08:09:12 you might have gotten a usefull answer :) Jul 29 08:09:24 hmm Jul 29 08:09:34 * das *popcorn* Jul 29 08:09:47 das: you're french, that should be *wine* ;) Jul 29 08:10:39 so a swiss french would have wine+chocolate at 10am ? Jul 29 08:11:03 (under that logic) Jul 29 08:11:10 ehh..home automation someone? Jul 29 08:12:55 We are talking about: BeagleBlink, BeagleBark, BeagleBoil and BeagleBackdoor kind of stuff here. Jul 29 08:14:09 * ogra_ thought you meant BeagleKennel Jul 29 08:18:32 BeagleKennel? Jul 29 08:22:02 Mpackt: argh.. Jul 29 08:22:26 Mpackt: describe what you want to do instead of asking very generic question for which you will never get an answer Jul 29 08:23:01 Mpackt: or read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html as our french guy suggested Jul 29 08:24:56 ok Jul 29 08:25:01 thanks for your time Jul 29 08:25:03 ciao Jul 29 08:27:21 lachen heraus laut Jul 29 08:27:46 damn I should make a compilation of these Jul 29 08:33:22 stupid people are stupid ^' Jul 29 08:46:42 ok now running ZNC, maybe stop this bouncing in and out Jul 29 08:53:38 except of course if I need to reboot ;) Jul 29 08:54:25 #UNIX Jul 29 09:21:27 morning Jul 29 09:21:33 moaning Jul 29 09:21:51 * xenoxaos grumbles Jul 29 09:23:50 mruning Jul 29 09:26:06 Hello. .. Jul 29 09:27:11 I'm working with LDDs... I would like to know if source code used to create a loadable module be used to create a built in device drive with minor changes in the makefile and Kv=config files???? Jul 29 09:30:43 is it possible to boot the bbb with a 3.4 kernel to get sgx support? Jul 29 09:32:51 I'm working with Linux Device Drivers... I would like to know if source code used to create a loadable module be used to create a built in device drive with minor changes in the makefile and Kconfig files???? Jul 29 09:35:13 bee, the source is the same Jul 29 09:35:20 I don't understand what your question is Jul 29 09:35:22 cde: I am running linux-am33x-3.8.13-7 Jul 29 09:36:13 panto, dm8tbr, ka6sox: wonderfull JIHAD! Jul 29 09:36:18 hi KotH Jul 29 09:36:41 Vaizki: does it work with sgx opengl accelerated binaries? Jul 29 09:36:55 no it doesn't work Jul 29 09:36:57 I haven't got a clue Jul 29 09:37:08 there are a lot of things missing to get the sgx drivers to work Jul 29 09:37:17 I run Arch on my BBBs and I have never even tried the HDMI output Jul 29 09:37:35 because I don't have the cable ;) Jul 29 09:41:23 KotH: happy chocolate jihad! Jul 29 09:41:27 thanks for reply.. I made the changes in the makefile and Kconfig files.... uImage was dumped to the board ... Still I couldn't see the name of my device in /dev directory..However in was visible in the proc/devices file... Jul 29 09:42:07 the device doesn't appear in /dev/ automatically (usually) Jul 29 09:42:11 bee: if you're not populating /dev automagically you might need to mknod it Jul 29 09:42:15 you have to understand how device files work Jul 29 09:45:03 what does the file in /dev directory contain.. It at all I generate a file with my device's name... what would it contain? Jul 29 09:45:41 there is a good oreilly book about writing linux device drivers. I'd suggest to read it. Jul 29 09:46:13 does it contain details on writing a built in device driver? Jul 29 09:46:27 I'm sure it does Jul 29 09:47:09 I searche a lot... I could find more details on modules only... Jul 29 09:47:41 I don't know where to start.. :O Get the book Jul 29 09:47:46 really Jul 29 09:48:11 just bought the pdf online (Bad to the Bone), it's a nice introduction Jul 29 09:48:17 in case you are search engine impaired: http://oreilly.com/openbook/linuxdrive3/book/ Jul 29 09:48:45 do anybody know working distro for beagleboard c. ubuntudesktop is too heavy, server keyboard not work, angstrom not boot, debian wokrs if I copy ubuntu's boot files(ulmage etc) but network with usbeth dongle is not working... Jul 29 09:49:01 Bysmyyr: angstrom works fine Jul 29 09:49:05 :D Jul 29 09:49:14 not here Jul 29 09:49:25 then you're doing something wrong Jul 29 09:49:28 willl ckeck this out... thx Jul 29 09:49:52 maybe... Jul 29 09:50:06 for the record, http://www.morganclaypool.com/doi/abs/10.2200/S00500ED1V01Y201304DCS041 Jul 29 09:52:25 Bysmyyr: the Ã…ngström it came with doesn't boot? Jul 29 09:53:15 this is old board, I haven't seen orginal sd-card Jul 29 09:53:19 and you do have a USB TTL serial cable, right? Jul 29 09:53:30 oh sorry Jul 29 09:53:32 beagleboard Jul 29 09:53:41 my bad Jul 29 09:54:08 yep, I see error, wait a second I get them Jul 29 09:54:38 pastebin.... Jul 29 09:55:44 certainly... Jul 29 09:56:17 my plan is to idle for at least 4 hours after you have gone through the trouble of capturing and posting boot logs Jul 29 09:57:21 http://pastebin.com/5NSM6gQi Jul 29 09:57:41 maybe I missed some very important Jul 29 09:59:59 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ here is some, maybe I try it once more Jul 29 10:01:56 if I remember how to do it... Jul 29 10:06:22 Bysmyyr: so, how did you prepare the SD card? Jul 29 10:07:40 using this image: http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/sd-images/ Jul 29 10:08:01 as I remember right also manual way Jul 29 10:08:12 from one step upper that repo Jul 29 10:18:49 Bysmyyr: and you wrote it to the SD-card how? Jul 29 10:20:46 imagewriter Jul 29 10:20:56 =dd? Jul 29 10:21:26 =ubuntu-imagewriter Jul 29 10:27:23 Bysmyyr: so which one? image writer or dd? Jul 29 10:27:35 and to which actual device did you write it? Jul 29 10:28:12 ubuntu-imagewriter, apacer 8gb sdhc card Jul 29 10:28:38 and which exact device node did you write to? Jul 29 10:28:49 aka /dev/... Jul 29 10:28:57 sdd Jul 29 10:29:21 you're sure it wasn't sdd1? Jul 29 10:29:27 yes Jul 29 10:30:17 imagewriter offer only devices... Jul 29 10:32:29 bing bing bong Jul 29 10:32:48 Bysmyyr: this seems to be a newer image http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/Angstrom-TI-GNOME-image-eglibc-ipk-v2012.01-core-beagleboard-2012.01.11.img.gz Jul 29 10:32:58 don't forget to gunzip it before writing it to the SD Jul 29 10:34:14 thx, I try Jul 29 11:20:40 http://pastebin.com/0A2JKS9j Jul 29 11:20:55 same problem... Jul 29 11:24:54 :q Jul 29 11:39:25 any suggestions on a cheap embedded arm soc linux box with dual real working ethernet? Jul 29 11:39:34 like a mini firewall type of appliance box Jul 29 11:40:08 I know I just went well OT sorry :) Jul 29 11:41:03 does it have to be arm? Jul 29 11:41:28 well not really but maybe not x86 Jul 29 11:41:42 why not? Jul 29 11:41:45 thinking ppc? Jul 29 11:41:50 could always go with a usb ethernet adaptor Jul 29 11:41:56 flufmnstr: ugh Jul 29 11:42:28 Vaizki: the 'routerboard' mips systems look nice Jul 29 11:42:38 yea I have a bunch Jul 29 11:42:48 most of them are bricked or bad caps need to be swapped out Jul 29 11:42:51 ;) Jul 29 11:43:04 450G, 750 and 433 at least Jul 29 11:43:31 not sure how you'd put your own linux on one of them though Jul 29 11:43:35 some ideas to my problem? Jul 29 11:43:49 mru: i need you help! Jul 29 11:44:04 mru: i need you to train me Jul 29 11:44:27 KotH: steam or electric train? Jul 29 11:44:34 mru: i'm totally out of shape. i walked a bit in prague and now my muscel ache Jul 29 11:44:42 Vaizki: why not? Jul 29 11:44:56 why not what? Jul 29 11:45:12 err, what's the problem putting your own linux on them? Jul 29 11:45:18 they do run linux already, no? Jul 29 11:45:34 yes they do. I've no idea how to flash them with something custom though Jul 29 11:45:38 KotH: why are you in prague, and what's that got to do with me? Jul 29 11:45:51 I'm not saying it won't run linux, just not sure how to go about it Jul 29 11:46:17 mru: i was in prague, last week Jul 29 11:46:29 Vaizki: what do you plan on routing anyway? Jul 29 11:46:32 mru: i need a companion to walk trough cities :) Jul 29 11:46:33 mru, if you know how to drop a custom linux on one please let me know Jul 29 11:46:45 Vaizki: sorry, I don't Jul 29 11:47:24 KotH: I have indeed done a bit of walking through cities... Jul 29 11:47:41 like that time in tokyo Jul 29 11:48:43 or brussels :) Jul 29 11:48:51 or wiesbaden... Jul 29 11:48:55 or ... ;) Jul 29 11:49:19 wiesbaden wasn't that far Jul 29 11:49:29 yeah.. just "too fast" :) Jul 29 11:50:36 Howdy :) Could anyone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/GZmuUc3S Jul 29 11:51:08 I'm using codesourcery compiler... pulling out my hair one by one Jul 29 11:51:45 wtf have you done? Jul 29 11:52:03 well Jul 29 11:52:10 sold his soul... cheaply Jul 29 11:52:24 if you're going to sell your soul, at least make sure you get a good price Jul 29 11:52:29 oh yeah, i'm starting to realise that Jul 29 11:52:48 looks like you're trying to link some objects built with the TI compiler Jul 29 11:52:53 and the linker is hating them badly Jul 29 11:53:04 mru: what would have been your x86 bid? Jul 29 11:53:25 Vaizki: there are many x86 boards you could build a router from Jul 29 11:53:56 I'm using an old tyan board with a mobile core2 and triple ethernet Jul 29 11:54:12 mru: looks like. but how to recompile 'em? %) i found a big-ass c script to compile all the libs, i think it would take ages to clean the mess Jul 29 11:54:34 utrack: what are you trying to build? Jul 29 11:54:52 you're also using ccs by the looks of things Jul 29 11:55:11 oh fuck, it's starterware Jul 29 11:55:14 before i go back to work... SDHC are ok ? Jul 29 11:55:23 yes, sdhc works Jul 29 11:55:32 mru: i'm trying to cross-compile simple hello world using starterware bits (sware). using codeblocks+codesourcery arm-none-eabi Jul 29 11:55:50 I suggest you start with something sane Jul 29 11:56:15 well, i got insane task and no time to learn everything properly Jul 29 11:56:18 but thanks :) Jul 29 11:56:21 thanks, now i know my netbooks sucks and my very old multicard too :) Jul 29 11:56:36 multicard reader * Jul 29 11:56:44 mru: I mean a small low power passively cooled foolproof box with no VGA, BIOS etc madness Jul 29 11:56:53 boot of a SD card preferably Jul 29 11:57:15 sometimes a pc is the simplest solution Jul 29 12:00:53 Vaizki: hint: don't use a soekris board Jul 29 12:01:03 Vaizki: you will curse them and your life if you do Jul 29 12:02:11 utrack: so, you dont have the time to do it properly, but you will have the time to fix it? ;) Jul 29 12:04:19 well a standard pc is not a solution here, I need about 1200 of them :) Jul 29 12:04:35 see, that's something you didn't tell us before Jul 29 12:04:36 well I don't but a friend's venture.. I'm just helping out Jul 29 12:04:36 oh.. Jul 29 12:04:47 Vaizki: contact dornier from pcengines.ch Jul 29 12:04:55 Vaizki: he does these kind of stuff for a living Jul 29 12:05:04 Vaizki: i'm sure he will able to help you Jul 29 12:05:07 KotH: I'll pass that along to my friend Jul 29 12:05:15 .ch sounds expensive though ;) Jul 29 12:05:25 Vaizki: lol Jul 29 12:05:32 why not use the routerboards with the os they come with? Jul 29 12:05:50 because it needs all kinds of custom sw there Jul 29 12:05:56 Vaizki: he does only the design in .ch, production is in far east Jul 29 12:06:01 the venture Jul 29 12:06:04 and you can't put custom software on them? Jul 29 12:06:10 without replacing the whole os? Jul 29 12:06:56 nope Jul 29 12:06:57 if you're buying that many, it might be worth asking the vendor for help getting whatever you want on them Jul 29 12:07:01 KotH: sounds like a plan. if only blinking led could count as finished project... :P Jul 29 12:07:29 mru: yea I'm just collecting ideas here. it might end up being the BBB if they can live with one ethernet Jul 29 12:08:01 Vaizki: you could also hire us (the company i work for), but i'm quite sure that we would be more expensive than pcengines :) Jul 29 12:08:23 Vaizki: but we could make the devices space grade, if there would be a requirement for it :-D Jul 29 12:08:43 yea and this has to be very low cost up front because it's a trial first, then hopefully ramp up Jul 29 12:08:59 undoubtedly. what he needs is cheap & cheerful :) Jul 29 12:09:00 what is "very low cost"? Jul 29 12:09:17 if you are thinking below 10kchf, then forget it Jul 29 12:09:33 under 100 eur, preferably closer to 50 but I told him it might be pushing it Jul 29 12:09:43 oh I meant per box Jul 29 12:09:44 100eur per device? Jul 29 12:09:49 including engineering? Jul 29 12:10:13 well to avoid engineering it would be nice to have a ready box :) Jul 29 12:10:18 what were the requirements again? Jul 29 12:10:55 2 ethernet, boot off sd card preferably, passive cooling, can have wallwart power, no vga, bios, keyboard etc Jul 29 12:10:59 we don't need no stinkin' requirements Jul 29 12:11:45 pc engines alix stuff might work Jul 29 12:11:54 i doubt you'll get anything in the 100eur range with that requirements, if you cannot get something that is produced in the 100k/y range already that fits your bill Jul 29 12:11:57 anyway if the thing takes off, then v2 would be a custom engineered one anyway Jul 29 12:12:07 any adaption, even software, will be expensive Jul 29 12:12:20 KotH: that's why I asked here for some commonly used ones Jul 29 12:12:36 yea well I will help out with the software ;) Jul 29 12:12:39 Vaizki: if you can do with an off the shelf alix board, then do that Jul 29 12:12:46 just looking at them now Jul 29 12:12:54 Vaizki: they work great (we have a couple of them running for years now) Jul 29 12:13:05 Vaizki: anything else will be more expensive Jul 29 12:13:45 Vaizki: i'm also sure that dornier will be quite happy doing a custom board design for you Jul 29 12:13:47 well the routerboards are cheap as mru said but they are not so reliable Jul 29 12:14:40 that's the problem with a lot of designs Jul 29 12:14:48 most people either dont know or dont care about reliability Jul 29 12:15:04 some people dont even care about the problems their customers have Jul 29 12:15:09 LX800 cpu.. hmmh Jul 29 12:15:24 KotH: bah .. you already sold them the product Jul 29 12:15:25 routerboards have been fine otherwise but bad caps Jul 29 12:15:29 paid is paid, if you have probs, go fuck yourself (soekris is a prime example of that kind of mentality) Jul 29 12:15:49 KotH: this is a managed service with on-site small box so RMA is painful Jul 29 12:16:28 Vaizki: talk to dornier. he is one of the few guys i know that know how to do that kind of stuff Jul 29 12:17:10 Vaizki: i also know that he has been planing to do a state of the art successor to the alix boards, but seems like the design didnt get finished (probably lack of time vs running projects that pay more) Jul 29 12:17:11 I wonder how that LX800 cpu compares to for example the 1GHz arm v7s Jul 29 12:17:26 approx half speed :) Jul 29 12:17:32 replacing dead caps is unfortunately a normal thing to do these days Jul 29 12:17:35 what's the lx800? Jul 29 12:17:52 x86 clone, running 500mhz Jul 29 12:17:59 alix cpu, it's a geode Jul 29 12:18:00 urgh Jul 29 12:18:15 Vaizki: what kind of software are you going to run? Jul 29 12:18:22 and that's why INITIALLY I asked for a arm soc box Jul 29 12:18:28 KotH: I'd have to kill you etc Jul 29 12:18:48 Vaizki: will it do number crunching? packet inspection? request reply stuff? Jul 29 12:18:56 without some idea of your requirements, we can't possibly suggest anything Jul 29 12:19:04 Vaizki: and you would have to wait in line for that pleasure ;) Jul 29 12:19:21 "one cross each" Jul 29 12:19:53 mostly networking, no number crunching except some ssl Jul 29 12:20:17 depending on what you're doing, ssl can use a lot of cpu time Jul 29 12:20:52 I know. but it's probably easier to order 2-3 candidate boxes and try them out instead of pre-engineering everything Jul 29 12:21:10 Vaizki: i have an lx-something board at home, similar to the alix boards. it does vpn (openvpn and ipsec) for me and i can funnel quite a bit data trough it until i reach the limit Jul 29 12:21:17 as I said, if it takes off then v2.0 is going to be a custom one Jul 29 12:21:41 and at that point I'm not going to be involved Jul 29 12:21:44 KotH: sending data through an established ssl link is fairly cheap Jul 29 12:21:46 ;) Jul 29 12:21:50 since you're only doing the stream cipher Jul 29 12:21:57 it's the setup that's really expensive Jul 29 12:22:09 yea this would be mostly block cipher stream mode ssl and not constant negotiations Jul 29 12:48:46 * KotH needs more chocolate Jul 29 12:49:25 KotH: I only have some belgian one :( Jul 29 12:50:01 * KotH doesnt consider that worthy of the honor of me eating it Jul 29 12:50:11 my wife ate it all Jul 29 12:50:55 georgem: which means, your chocolate supply chain is insufficient Jul 29 12:51:35 I just get her chocolate at ALDI not the best stuff but they have quite a variety and its cheap so chocolate volume is higher than buying uber expensive stuff Jul 29 12:52:40 your poor wife! that's inhumane! Jul 29 12:52:53 i'd divorce you imediatly! Jul 29 12:53:04 KoTH: Have you tried the Moser Roth stuff. Its not too bad Jul 29 12:53:14 * KotH has tried a lot of chocolate Jul 29 12:53:23 KotH, have some chocolate ready when I come over Jul 29 12:53:40 panto: tell me when, and what kind of chocolate you like and i'll get you some :) Jul 29 12:53:52 KoTH: right but I wasn't sure if they sold that over there or if that was just trash they send over here to the US Jul 29 12:54:24 georgem: it's german trash chocolate, afaik Jul 29 12:54:36 georgem: send over because nobody of his right mind would eat it overhere Jul 29 12:54:40 ;-> Jul 29 12:55:36 * KotH has to take some of the swiss "cheap" chocolate with him to elce Jul 29 12:55:57 a couple of those 400g bars should be probably enough :) Jul 29 12:57:35 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/178 Jul 29 12:59:14 * KotH nods Jul 29 12:59:18 KotH: I'm pretty sure that if I obsessed about chocolate as much as you I'd totally geek out on it and start making my own since nothing else is "good enough". Jul 29 12:59:30 georgem: huh? Jul 29 12:59:36 georgem: you never had swiss choclate, did you? Jul 29 12:59:49 swiss chocolate is good enough Jul 29 12:59:52 there is more than enough chocolate that is "good enough" Jul 29 13:01:20 Yeah. My wife's step mom is Swiss / Indian. I her about it all the time. Jul 29 13:01:25 hear* Jul 29 13:07:03 ok, KotH.. As a service to one chocolate lover from another is there something you can recommend that I can order for my wife that is good enough? Jul 29 13:07:25 poor women, must be a living hell, being cut of from any good chocolate and having people eating all that shit around her Jul 29 13:07:33 heh Jul 29 13:08:01 i recomend läderach and teuscher, afaik both deliver internationally Jul 29 13:08:14 though läderach doesnt have any offices in the us, but two in tokyo :) Jul 29 13:08:26 ok, thanks. I'll order her some as a gift :) Jul 29 13:08:35 otherwise, lindt and sprüngli are both good as well Jul 29 13:08:41 and easier to get too Jul 29 13:08:52 lindt is mainstream Jul 29 13:08:54 callier isn't a bad choice either, for everyday chocolate Jul 29 13:08:58 my wife loves sprungli truffles Jul 29 13:08:59 sold in supermarkets everywhere Jul 29 13:09:26 day truffles from the zurich airport +1 Jul 29 13:09:31 we have lindt here. you can find that practically everywhere. I liked the Moser Roth much more than the Lindt, but then again what do I know Jul 29 13:09:45 mru: i recommend the sprüngli cakes, if you can get them ;) Jul 29 13:10:15 georgem: i never had any lindt from outside .ch... i dont know of their qual Jul 29 13:10:34 KotH: probably not. its probably rebranded hersey's or something Jul 29 13:10:34 KotH: much better ofc Jul 29 13:10:35 georgem: but as with everything: the chocolate you like the best, is the best : Jul 29 13:10:36 :) Jul 29 13:11:14 not if it's cadbury's Jul 29 13:12:32 we have a scottish in our company... he likes it... Jul 29 13:12:44 scots are weird Jul 29 13:12:48 XorA: ^^ Jul 29 13:12:50 hey, now. watch it Jul 29 13:13:01 * georgem puts on his kilt Jul 29 13:13:09 see Jul 29 13:13:14 heh Jul 29 13:13:38 * KotH nods knwoingly Jul 29 13:13:56 Full disclosure I've never actually been to the UK. Just Scottish by blood. Jul 29 13:15:17 and then there's http://youtu.be/wTniWCh0nwo Jul 29 13:16:15 aww... flash video Jul 29 13:24:01 mru: someone actually likes cadbury's? Jul 29 13:28:34 there was a lindt factory in NH that certainly wasn't a Hershey factory that was 15 years ago I don't know if it is still there georgem Jul 29 13:30:28 kfoltman: I sure hope not Jul 29 13:31:00 http://www.lindtusa.com/locate-exec/state/NH/store_id/41658/directions/true/locate/1/ Jul 29 13:32:17 Rickta59: I suspect its probably about as good as the Lindt in .ch. I had some Lindt in France and it tasted about the same to my unrefined palate. Jul 29 13:32:33 hello Jul 29 13:32:38 hi vikrant8051 Jul 29 13:33:08 i used to go there .. i could walk from my house Jul 29 13:33:47 they had a deal in the outlet store, for $10 they gave you a large plastic bag and and as many truffles as you could fit in the bag you could keep Jul 29 13:34:13 you could fit a lot Jul 29 13:34:16 maybe 100 Jul 29 13:34:36 Why to choose beagleboard-Xm instead of FriendlyARM based mini-6410 ? Jul 29 13:36:23 how to create self build linux kernel,file system,bootloader and other BSP by own for beagleboard-xm ? Jul 29 13:37:04 KotH means Kill off the Hersheys? Jul 29 13:37:45 what ? Jul 29 13:37:54 * kfoltman is sure he asked that question before, didn't end well Jul 29 13:38:10 vikrant8051: mini-6410? that thing belongs in a museum I suppose... Jul 29 13:38:20 it's ARM-11 right? Jul 29 13:38:24 ARM11 even Jul 29 13:38:26 that modern? Jul 29 13:38:43 apparently Jul 29 13:38:51 oldschool Jul 29 13:39:51 well, that shouldn't be a problem for someone who still has 8051 in the nickname ;) Jul 29 13:40:15 heh Jul 29 13:40:21 yes mini6410 is ARM11 based.But they provide lots of on board peripherals than beagleboard-xm !! Jul 29 13:40:39 no kidding! Jul 29 13:40:46 AMEN! Jul 29 13:40:52 good for different purposes Jul 29 13:42:04 vikrant8051: still, the CPU sucks performance-wise - you might be able to get a better board than that these days Jul 29 13:42:18 also, what about amount of RAM? Jul 29 13:42:28 and speed of ram Jul 29 13:42:45 you can always add external peripherals, but you can't upgrade the CPU or increase the amount of RAM (most of the time) Jul 29 13:43:05 well, "can" doesn't mean that it's easy or fun Jul 29 13:44:50 But I am beginner in this field so not interested in CPU and RAM speed but want to learn practical thinngs .Then what ?? Jul 29 13:44:51 vikrant8051: what peripherals are essential for you? Jul 29 13:46:23 vikrant8051: ARM11 is outdated technology so not very practical in most of the cases ;) especially when you can get beaglebone black with USB and HDMI for about the price of mini6410 Jul 29 13:46:53 on-board ADC,SPI,I2C,G-LCD,LEDs,Switches based modules and related hardware . Jul 29 13:48:23 BBB has ADC/GPIO/I2C/SPI too, 4 LEDs and 1 button, you can always connect more through GPIO Jul 29 13:48:56 there are other dev boards too, with different mix of peripherals Jul 29 13:49:01 kfoltman: juup, as a practicing moslem, i kill two infidels every day Jul 29 13:49:14 kfoltman: and killing people who eat hersheys is the most fun :) Jul 29 13:49:24 Please tell me in comparison of BB-xm . Jul 29 13:49:24 KotH: infidels as in eating non-chocolate chocolate? Jul 29 13:49:32 kfoltman: exactly Jul 29 13:49:44 vikrant8051, are you sure you want a linux board... Jul 29 13:49:47 KotH: but this means I'm already dead :( Jul 29 13:49:56 vikrant8051: I wouldn't recommend bb-xm Jul 29 13:50:02 kfoltman: i'd rather say you are undead. dead people dont chat ;) Jul 29 13:50:11 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/161 Jul 29 13:50:36 mru: always worth keeping in mind Jul 29 13:50:40 indeed Jul 29 13:50:50 vikrant8051: bb-xm is quite expensive for what it is, I think Jul 29 13:50:51 .o0(aholler seems still to be a bit sensitive on the whole jihad thing) Jul 29 13:51:06 good JIHAD to him, I suppose? Jul 29 13:51:31 * kfoltman imagines saying that while holding a pint of beer Jul 29 13:51:58 kfoltman: imagine saying that while holding a pint of beer in an airport bar :) Jul 29 13:52:13 KotH: you can hold a pint of beer in an airport bar? Jul 29 13:52:32 why not? Jul 29 13:52:34 And what if I want to build linux kernel,File system,Bootloader and other BSPs from scratch for BBB or BB-xm ? And why you not recommended bb-xm ? Jul 29 13:52:50 mru: because terrorism, that's why! Jul 29 13:53:04 kfoltman: beer is terrorism? Jul 29 13:53:12 mru: certainly feels like that to me! Jul 29 13:53:57 I've had numerous pints of beer in airport bars Jul 29 13:54:09 vikrant8051: just because there are cheaper options with comparable performance - and at least for a long time, bbxm support for Linux wasn't super-stable Jul 29 13:54:26 Talk of beer remind me of Saturday night. Being reminded of Saturday night makes my stomach a bit upset. Jul 29 13:54:34 mru: you're clearly a terrorist then! Jul 29 13:54:56 did someone swap georgem for mranostay? Jul 29 13:55:02 heh Jul 29 13:55:33 difference is I probably won Jul 29 13:55:35 how to create Kernel,FS and BSP for BBB from scratch ? Jul 29 13:55:40 won't drink for a week now Jul 29 13:55:45 vikrant8051: like, completely from scratch? Jul 29 13:55:59 first, write a compiler... Jul 29 13:55:59 I'm afraid you need to be Linus to achieve that Jul 29 13:56:03 vikrant8051: the same as as you would for any other board Jul 29 13:56:14 mru: first, write an assembler Jul 29 13:56:21 kfoltman: linus didnt write the kernel himself, though he started it :) Jul 29 13:56:30 KotH: I know, but he wanted to start it, right? Jul 29 13:56:33 kfoltman: first, write a hex editor Jul 29 13:56:35 cross assembler, linker, compiler Jul 29 13:56:46 real programmers use copy con program.exe Jul 29 13:56:56 So.... you take a card and punch holes in it... then... Jul 29 13:57:07 Yes,completly from scratch . Jul 29 13:57:08 that'll work Jul 29 13:57:14 you have to make the paper first of course Jul 29 13:57:31 vikrant8051: so, you need lots of rags Jul 29 13:57:55 So you'll need to cut down a tree. But to do that you'll need an axe or a saw. So... find some ore and make a really hot fire Jul 29 13:57:58 * mru read that as 'lots of drugs' Jul 29 13:58:10 mru: that'll help for sure! Jul 29 13:59:06 georgem: wouldnt you first need to grow a tree? Jul 29 13:59:14 georgem: for which you would need soil and seeds first Jul 29 13:59:23 georgem: for which you in turn need a planet first Jul 29 13:59:27 and dna Jul 29 13:59:35 georgem: for which you would need a solar system Jul 29 13:59:44 georgem: for which you would need an universe Jul 29 13:59:54 how do you build an universe from scratch ? Jul 29 13:59:55 do you have 7 days to spare? Jul 29 14:00:05 I want to learn universal procedure to developed kernel,FS,BSP for all type of board like BB-xm,BBB,FriendlyARM,BeagleBone and then linux device driver development ... Jul 29 14:00:24 *popcorn* Jul 29 14:00:31 KotH: Forgot the step of creating a few billion super novas, etc so we can have nice variety of atomic elements to work with. Jul 29 14:00:39 mru: you'd want to make many people angry? Jul 29 14:00:39 vikrant8051: get yourself a copy of the "embedded linux primer" Jul 29 14:00:42 das: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/75 Jul 29 14:00:48 das: again, it should be *wine* for you! Jul 29 14:01:16 company just blocked hwbug :( Jul 29 14:01:21 vikrant8051: also, keep in mind that "embedded linux primer" is outdated Jul 29 14:01:26 WAT? Jul 29 14:01:27 das: ROTFL Jul 29 14:01:35 das: seriously? Jul 29 14:01:40 it worked this morning Jul 29 14:01:42 explicit friday Jul 29 14:01:43 blocked now Jul 29 14:01:48 all of it? Jul 29 14:01:55 das: are you working for a US company? Jul 29 14:02:07 nope, still got part of my soul Jul 29 14:02:07 or just the pages with 'dirty' words on them? Jul 29 14:02:23 * KotH would consider all of hwbug dirty Jul 29 14:02:30 das: so what labour camp are you working for? Jul 29 14:02:31 ah alright, dirty word :) Jul 29 14:02:33 KotH: nonsense Jul 29 14:02:42 das: two dirty words Jul 29 14:02:49 mru: it was written by someone who doesnt believe in god! Jul 29 14:02:54 mru: can you imagine! Jul 29 14:02:58 which one? Jul 29 14:03:05 anyone Jul 29 14:04:37 KotH: stop picking on me with wine, use cheese instead Jul 29 14:04:43 or snails Jul 29 14:04:51 *yawns* KotH, a bit early in the week to bring up god Jul 29 14:05:01 early? Jul 29 14:05:04 it's friday! Jul 29 14:05:14 bring up, like in board bring-up? Jul 29 14:05:19 Now lastly if we ignore CPU and RAM speed why not to choose FriendlyARM mini/tiny 6410???.I personally believe on all beagle board but when I see lots of on board component and simplicity of mini6410 I get confused . Jul 29 14:05:20 das: what's wrong with wine? Jul 29 14:05:33 it doesn't have as much alcohol as rum Jul 29 14:05:41 hheh Jul 29 14:05:54 das: snails and cheese have even less alc Jul 29 14:06:04 vikrant8051: choose what you think it's best for you Jul 29 14:06:05 I'm sure you could ferment snails Jul 29 14:06:08 yeah but eating more means drinking more Jul 29 14:06:26 it's a win/win Jul 29 14:06:30 das: with mathematics Jul 29 14:06:36 and CPUs Jul 29 14:07:00 mru: you mean, as in booting up god? Jul 29 14:07:14 Thank You for your help. Jul 29 14:07:20 bootstrap-gcc god.c -o god Jul 29 14:07:22 das: win/win is equal to 1 for all non-zero values of win Jul 29 14:07:23 I wouldn't do that, it's not a great operating system Jul 29 14:07:30 vikrant8051: now check THIS out! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Open1768-P-B-LPC1768-NXP-ARM-Cortex-M3-Development-Board-12-Expansion-Modules-/251036008752 Jul 29 14:07:38 arf Jul 29 14:07:38 look at all those peripherals! Jul 29 14:07:46 dm8tbr: ping Jul 29 14:07:54 av501: did you put your lewis jeans on? Jul 29 14:07:57 Vaizki: and in that case, you pretty much HAVE to write your OS from scratch :D Jul 29 14:08:09 Vaizki: and it's not even that hard Jul 29 14:08:10 KotH: this stupid wifi here seems to prevent ssh Jul 29 14:08:10 well he's doing it anyway! Jul 29 14:08:20 av501: poor boy Jul 29 14:08:29 ye Jul 29 14:08:31 s Jul 29 14:08:33 av501: have a cup of tea and a piece of chocolate on me Jul 29 14:09:10 Vaizki: in any case, M3 is fun Jul 29 14:09:51 av501: pong Jul 29 14:10:17 av501: how may I be of disservice? Jul 29 14:10:53 Hi Jul 29 14:11:59 kfoltman: fun how? Jul 29 14:12:30 Whitch is better in BB-XM ,BBB and why ? Jul 29 14:13:51 hi Jul 29 14:14:45 Vaizki: it's small enough to be able to write entire firmware from scratch Jul 29 14:15:00 while still fairly powerful Jul 29 14:15:00 what do you mean small enough? :) Jul 29 14:15:10 it's a mcu Jul 29 14:15:32 it's quite powerful for an mcu though Jul 29 14:15:52 Whitch is better in BB-XM ,BBB and why ? Jul 29 14:17:48 kfoltman: yea.. I plan to start with the DIP-28 Cortex-M0 though.. they're dirt cheap and real easy to use apparently Jul 29 14:17:58 Vaizki: M4F is more fun though, someone even ported an mp3 decoder to it (or was it ogg?) Jul 29 14:18:11 M4F has FPU? Jul 29 14:18:14 yes Jul 29 14:18:30 prolly not a very fast one, but still, if you need it, it's there Jul 29 14:19:06 Just wondering, I have an old PCI Sound Blaster audigy, which I want to hack to use the audio ins/outs, both analogue and digital, to connect to the beaglebone, as I want to create a portable recording studio device, utilising the midibox project as well. I am planning on running linux on the beaglebone or windows embedded standard, but need to know how I would go about interfacing the beaglebone with the audigy fron panel Jul 29 14:19:07 well, to be fair, I should have said "M4 is fun", not M3, as I only dealt with various forms of M4 (f303/f407) Jul 29 14:19:30 djalxs: PCI on beaglebone? sounds like a fairly crazy idea Jul 29 14:20:01 Guest50821: I like the BBB because it is black in colour, while the BB-XM is only red, which I don't think is as good Jul 29 14:20:11 I dont exactly want the PCI connection, I want to convert the functionality of a PCI board to a Beaglebone cape Jul 29 14:20:20 Guest50821: does that answer your question? Jul 29 14:20:21 hacksaw Jul 29 14:20:34 jackmitchell: just missed him Jul 29 14:20:53 I just want multiple audio ins and outs on the beaglebone by hacking an audigy front panel, but am unsure whether I would need some components from the pci card as well for it to work Jul 29 14:21:28 bah, the troll in me is slow today Jul 29 14:21:41 at least people don't set their sights low when hacking with the BBB Jul 29 14:22:10 djalxs: your best bet is usb audio Jul 29 14:22:46 unless your time is worthless and you have a couple of years extra of it at hand (like being in prison) Jul 29 14:22:58 heh Jul 29 14:23:27 Vaizki: well, on the other hand, doing usb audio feels like being in prison :S Jul 29 14:23:41 like the prison shower at least Jul 29 14:23:49 s/audio// Jul 29 14:23:58 mru: nah Jul 29 14:24:14 mru: audio is particularly bad due to timing constraints Jul 29 14:24:25 isochronous mode ftw Jul 29 14:24:44 has anyone implemented that correctly? Jul 29 14:24:44 mru: asynchronous sink = "fun" Jul 29 14:24:50 mru: I did ;) Jul 29 14:24:56 well, semi-correctly Jul 29 14:25:22 A usb audiodevice is what I'm trying to create, but am trying to find the best places to learn/start Jul 29 14:25:38 mru: if you ask about implementing it without cutting corners everywhere, no, I'm not aware of any such implementation ;) Jul 29 14:25:58 and if the host and device have cut different corners... Jul 29 14:26:26 You need a USB equivalent of the EMU10K1. Not sure if something like that exists Jul 29 14:26:36 mru: in my case, I'm responsible for most of the software on both ends, so it's working most of the time Jul 29 14:27:04 it's hw too Jul 29 14:27:11 USB cores suck Jul 29 14:27:17 that's a known known Jul 29 14:27:34 and on stm32, hw does most of the work Jul 29 14:27:55 and if hw does the work but does it wrong... Jul 29 14:28:02 or 'differently' Jul 29 14:28:29 or it stops working for reason hidden somewhere in an obscure application note Jul 29 14:30:03 basically I want to replicate the audio side of things that are on the traktor dj consoles Jul 29 14:30:45 djalxs: Check out this site: http://www.minidsp.com/ Jul 29 14:30:57 heh, oh well nm Jul 29 14:32:49 djalxs: as in, two stereo audio codecs? Jul 29 14:32:56 or is there more to it? Jul 29 14:33:29 anyone got opinions on timesys the company (not the product)? Jul 29 14:34:23 kfoltman: Something like this is probably what he wants but I think he left: http://www.minidsp.com/products/minidspkits/2-x-in-4-x-out Jul 29 14:36:11 <_av500_> ah Jul 29 14:36:13 <_av500_> better Jul 29 14:36:14 georgem: probably Jul 29 14:36:29 <_av500_> anybody seen jkridner these days? Jul 29 14:36:39 georgem: or some stm32 yoke and two wm86something codecs :P Jul 29 14:37:31 georgem: you could probably do stereo using bbb alone, but AFAIR it doesn't have enough i2s ports to do 2xstereo by itself Jul 29 14:37:38 well, bbb+codec chips Jul 29 14:39:43 bitbang it Jul 29 14:40:02 bradfa: I don't notice that many contributions from them to the open source ecosystem, in the places I browse anyway; if that is of interest to you Jul 29 14:40:12 you could bitbang 1-bit audio Jul 29 14:40:32 like on SACD Jul 29 14:40:46 it's only 2.something MHz Jul 29 14:41:44 kfoltman: pretty sure that you could get a 2nd McASP running on a BBB with enough effort. Jul 29 14:42:21 or it might be possible to put the main McASP into some sort of TDM mode with more channels (a-la AC97) Jul 29 14:42:23 waste of time probably minidsp probably has better solution already Jul 29 14:42:37 minidsp? Jul 29 14:42:42 whuzzat? Jul 29 14:42:48 <_av500_> small DSPs Jul 29 14:42:53 derp Jul 29 14:42:55 <_av500_> 8pin DIP Jul 29 14:43:22 why stop there? let's go for SOT223 Jul 29 14:43:26 <_av500_> +1 Jul 29 14:43:28 rofl ... Intel expects some of our team to be in the US next week for a demo ... we've been told that today hahahahhaaa Jul 29 14:43:29 <_av500_> one wire Jul 29 14:43:39 <_av500_> ample time Jul 29 14:43:40 * koen Delta-sigma and sigma-delta encoding Jul 29 14:43:54 <_av500_> koen: any idea about kridner? Jul 29 14:43:57 SACD? Jul 29 14:44:08 emeb_mac, pwm audio Jul 29 14:44:14 emeb_mac: super audio cd or something Jul 29 14:44:15 _av500_: I only see him during the GSoC meetings Jul 29 14:44:19 well, maybe pwm isn't the best way to describe it Jul 29 14:44:22 mru: just so Jul 29 14:44:30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD Jul 29 14:44:38 5.8MSPS 1-bit audio Jul 29 14:44:40 hi Jul 29 14:45:01 lo Jul 29 14:45:06 z Jul 29 14:45:12 x Jul 29 14:45:24 <_av500_> nc Jul 29 14:45:51 you guys are so predictable Jul 29 14:46:10 mru: well isn't that what good software is about? Jul 29 14:46:32 no idea, I've never seen any Jul 29 14:46:59 after selecting SD boot in BBB then all data in eMMC will overwrite by data in SD card then how to again get the previous data in eMMC ? Jul 29 14:47:29 my inner troll wants to start bugging mru about systemd. busy working though Jul 29 14:48:10 and your outer troll? Jul 29 14:48:49 It's a Monday. My outer troll isn't awake yet Jul 29 14:52:55 emeb_mac: single McASP should suffice, I suppose? never did anything with that protocol Jul 29 14:53:04 georgem: it's Friday Jul 29 14:53:15 <_av500_> on Mars Jul 29 14:53:24 no, in #beagle Jul 29 14:53:28 it's always Friday in #beagle Jul 29 14:54:30 kfoltman: tweaking driver for non-I2S is an exercise for the reader. Jul 29 15:01:01 is any one ther ? Jul 29 15:02:01 <_av500_> no Jul 29 15:02:04 <_av500_> we are closed Jul 29 15:02:10 <_av500_> for the summer break Jul 29 15:02:26 we're closed on fridays Jul 29 15:02:59 jackmitchell, yes, that's of interest to me Jul 29 15:03:00 thanks Jul 29 15:05:04 hello Jul 29 15:05:18 <_av500_> aloha Jul 29 15:06:05 al walak salam Jul 29 15:06:12 my BBB has HD webcam streaming video working now, what should I use for broadcasting the live video stream on the web? Jul 29 15:07:14 <_av500_> telnet? Jul 29 15:07:29 <_av500_> didnt you say that streaming already works? Jul 29 15:07:30 probably will relay the stream through my vps, not sure the most efficient way to send stream to multiple clients Jul 29 15:07:59 it's for a puppy cam, so I want multiple users to access the stream from the web Jul 29 15:08:29 _av500_: sounds like .fr is a third world country :) Jul 29 15:08:34 works on my internal network, not on the web yet Jul 29 15:08:45 mastiff: I think there is are a few free online services that do live streaming Jul 29 15:09:03 twitch Jul 29 15:09:42 KotH: you did not know that? Jul 29 15:10:14 how old do you guys wanna live again ? Jul 29 15:10:19 mru: till now, i thought they were a wine country ;) Jul 29 15:10:29 das: older than you look Jul 29 15:10:35 KotH: is it not possible to be both? Jul 29 15:10:41 > 24 ? Jul 29 15:10:44 das: I'd rather not get old at all Jul 29 15:11:01 mru: a friend of mine kept telling that Jul 29 15:11:06 live fast, troll hard Jul 29 15:11:09 that's our motto Jul 29 15:11:11 mru: often repeated that he wouldnt go over 30 Jul 29 15:11:32 mru: fell, hit his head and died a couple of days later before he reached 29 Jul 29 15:11:44 that was tragic Jul 29 15:11:49 mru: that was lukas, btw Jul 29 15:11:55 yes, I know Jul 29 15:18:18 "A technology-innovation leader with a game-changing embedded-ultrasound platform,.." Jul 29 15:18:31 * KotH wonders who can write such sentences with a straight face Jul 29 15:18:50 <_av500_> they build a connected dog whistle? Jul 29 15:18:51 * KotH wonders even more who pays someone to write such sentences Jul 29 15:18:56 <_av500_> iDog Jul 29 15:19:02 lol Jul 29 15:19:41 <_av500_> laters Jul 29 15:20:07 have fun Jul 29 15:20:25 enjoy your french village :) Jul 29 15:21:07 _av500_: where are you ? Jul 29 15:28:35 das: in village without proper network Jul 29 15:28:41 das: no ATM's working Jul 29 15:28:49 greece ? Jul 29 15:28:53 das: people diying starving on the streets Jul 29 15:29:02 ah athens Jul 29 15:29:02 das: nah.. they are not rioting, just starving Jul 29 15:29:50 he said he usually works near massy Jul 29 15:29:55 it's quite urbanized there Jul 29 15:33:21 * bradfa 's code compiles! shipping! Jul 29 15:33:35 KotH: you think that marketspeak is bad? Jul 29 15:33:44 check this: http://newscenter.ti.com/index.php?s=32851&item=126026 Jul 29 15:34:22 * mranostay scrolls up Jul 29 15:34:28 hey drunk guy! Jul 29 15:34:46 "the first ever mobile video intelligence (MVI) solution to bring the power of industrial-grade video analytics technology to the consumer market" Jul 29 15:35:13 "delivers proactive, video-based information so consumers can keep an eye on the people and places that matter most, in a manner that fits today's connected, mobile lifestyle" Jul 29 15:35:15 KotH: it is 8:30a on a Monday.. little early for that don't you think? Jul 29 15:35:23 isn't it friday? Jul 29 15:35:34 lol "analytics-enabled video lifestyle management for consumers" Jul 29 15:35:37 it is friday Jul 29 15:35:43 mru: great stuff! Jul 29 15:36:18 that one is hard to beat Jul 29 15:40:01 mru: I know all the words separately but the construction eludes me Jul 29 15:40:45 das: in short: it's NSA's dream come true on watching people permamently Jul 29 15:41:36 KotH: facebook2 ? Jul 29 15:41:43 or gooleglass² ? Jul 29 15:42:19 das: nope, video devices everywhere, recording what people do Jul 29 15:42:32 das: and what is best: people would want to install them themselves Jul 29 15:42:37 i need help :S Jul 29 15:42:49 i have a send/receive c code for uart Jul 29 15:42:52 UART: netswarm.net/important.txt Jul 29 15:43:04 through 2 connected bbb's Jul 29 15:43:23 when i send hello sometimes i get lello Jul 29 15:43:40 sounds like baud rate or noise problems Jul 29 15:44:16 im using 230400 Jul 29 15:44:17 either you have forgotten the ground connection, set the baudrate wrong or you are in an industrial environment where a relais is switching an 100kVA motor on and off constantly Jul 29 15:44:18 * mranostay forcefeeds Hershey's to KotH Jul 29 15:44:20 and i tried 9600 Jul 29 15:44:29 * KotH blows up mranostay with his bombbelt Jul 29 15:44:46 both of them do the samething Jul 29 15:44:56 anways.. time to go into my friday evening Jul 29 15:45:01 bbl Jul 29 15:45:01 sometimes i even receive nello Jul 29 15:45:10 er Friday in Switzerland? Jul 29 15:45:12 UART: sounds like missing ground Jul 29 15:45:26 what do you mean by missing ground Jul 29 15:45:34 mranostay, they build the clocks ... must give them some handle over time Jul 29 15:45:34 isnt it just tx and rx? Jul 29 15:45:45 should i connect the 2 grounds toghter? Jul 29 15:45:54 UART: ok... it is missing ground Jul 29 15:46:03 UART: go back to highschool, listen to physics 101 Jul 29 15:46:23 KotH: :D ok i will, i didnt know that Jul 29 15:46:36 UART: what are you studiying? Jul 29 15:46:40 KotH: thats bro!! i will connect the 2 grounds now!! Jul 29 15:46:43 UART: CS? EE? psychology? Jul 29 15:46:48 going to start collage this year Jul 29 15:46:50 EE Jul 29 15:46:53 * mranostay chuckles at KotH Jul 29 15:47:08 one of those things is not like the other :P Jul 29 15:47:08 cant be geology ... there is more ground ... Jul 29 15:47:31 * KotH sighs Jul 29 15:48:12 I'm sure you can Major in Chocolate somewhere Jul 29 15:48:14 UART: btw: you should buy a copy of tietze&schenk Jul 29 15:48:29 UART: and maybe "the circuit designers companion" by williams Jul 29 15:48:53 mranostay: that's called "lebensmitteltechnologe" :-) Jul 29 15:49:11 servus mhaberler Jul 29 15:49:16 ogra_: whatever you do be sure to do perfect 45 degree angles on traces Jul 29 15:49:17 and ciao Jul 29 15:49:32 hehe Jul 29 15:50:16 hallo koth! Jul 29 15:50:55 KotH: that works!!! Jul 29 15:51:20 KotH: that sounds interestig, you are a great person Jul 29 15:51:27 thanks for helping me!! Jul 29 15:51:40 except for the suicide bombing Jul 29 15:51:52 that does kinda negate all the good Jul 29 15:56:22 #define SOCK_CLOEXEC SOCK_CLOEXEC Jul 29 15:57:03 yes, so? Jul 29 15:58:07 isn't that bit redudant? Jul 29 15:58:27 there's probably an enum defining the actual value somewhere Jul 29 15:58:35 and some spec says it should be a macro Jul 29 15:58:42 so it can be tested with #ifdef Jul 29 15:58:57 perfectly normal thing to do Jul 29 15:59:06 it's in an enum indeed Jul 29 15:59:16 never came accross this before Jul 29 16:00:25 thanks for the explanation Jul 29 16:07:20 heh, there is a picture of an av340 at the end of the hall Jul 29 16:07:50 _av500_: didn't know you had a little brother Jul 29 16:08:16 haven't seen any av500 pictures around the corporateplex Jul 29 16:17:20 emeb: FPGA monday to you Jul 29 16:19:24 mranostay: Radioactive monday to you too. Jul 29 16:21:15 * mranostay hurls muons at everyone Jul 29 16:21:31 * emeb dons lead underwear Jul 29 16:24:15 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1534087 Jul 29 16:24:17 fun Jul 29 16:26:03 don't see his point thru all the caps. Jul 29 16:28:32 Exactly? Jul 29 16:28:39 afk lunch Jul 29 16:28:49 TL;DR caps Jul 29 16:29:09 TC;DR Jul 29 16:29:17 CL;DR Jul 29 16:29:52 cap, inductor, diode, resistor Jul 29 16:29:59 and a semicolon Jul 29 16:30:46 I suppose there should be some sort of official logical fallacy - an argument is not invalid because the person making it doesn't know how to type properly. Jul 29 16:30:53 but still... Jul 29 16:31:31 wat is u sayyy ??§?! Jul 29 16:35:49 emeb: well, in this case, there's neither style nor substance Jul 29 16:38:08 rotfl! people call me great! Jul 29 16:43:03 good morning everyone Jul 29 16:44:29 which file do I need to write to disable/select GPIO pull resistors on kernel 3.8? Jul 29 17:11:57 hello? Jul 29 17:16:05 hi Jul 29 17:16:15 hi Jul 29 17:16:46 ho Jul 29 17:17:08 do you know how to set the pull resistors on 3.8? Jul 29 17:17:16 for GPIO inputs Jul 29 17:17:30 <[yAK]> i dont suppose there is a way to get the beaglebone black to use the usb for internet huh? Jul 29 17:17:41 pinctl? Jul 29 17:17:43 dts? Jul 29 17:17:50 pinctl Jul 29 17:18:04 i want to be able to control them on runtime Jul 29 17:18:07 * xenoxaos is pulling things out of his ass Jul 29 17:20:08 on 3.2 apperently I could write to /sys/kernel/debug/omap_mux/gpioXX Jul 29 17:20:20 but that's not present on 3.8 Jul 29 17:20:48 actually, gmpc_XX Jul 29 17:24:16 <_av500_> [yAK]: sure is Jul 29 17:24:52 <[yAK]> _av500_: any place i can find some info on doing that? Jul 29 17:25:30 google Jul 29 17:25:43 <_av500_> I think it does usb ethernet by default Jul 29 17:25:53 <_av500_> then you need to bridge that on your PC to the interbet Jul 29 17:25:55 <_av500_> net Jul 29 17:26:23 <[yAK]> makes sense Jul 29 17:38:24 <_SY_> hello Jul 29 17:40:27 o/ Jul 29 17:41:06 <_av500_> good one: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4003673&cid=44356143 Jul 29 17:47:47 that's a vivid imagination Jul 29 17:53:59 is it sad that I know what EOMA-68 is Jul 29 17:54:07 and has it actually shipped?? Jul 29 17:55:46 I only know eoma-68 because of the infamous thread Jul 29 17:56:44 I don't know the infamous thread :( Jul 29 18:01:02 afaik the project is moving forward with production Jul 29 18:06:42 * cthree87 patiently waiting for 2 BBB's to arrive by FedEx today Jul 29 18:09:45 fedex ? are you so in a hurry ? Jul 29 18:10:36 mouser sends everything fedex for free Jul 29 18:11:07 ah ok Jul 29 18:11:11 europe or usa? Jul 29 18:11:18 canada Jul 29 18:11:28 I guess they ship from the US Jul 29 18:15:49 I'm looking for information about connecting an LS Research TiWi-BLE module to a BBB. Has anyone heard of that being done? Jul 29 18:18:30 it uses SDIO for the wifi datastream and UART for the BTLE HCI interface. Appearently there are Linux drivers available. It's based on the Ti WL1271L Jul 29 18:19:54 Is that the same interface as the BeagleBoard wifi cape? Jul 29 18:22:48 yea there's a cape with that chip Jul 29 18:23:10 but that cape is not BBB compatible, dunno why Jul 29 18:23:17 maybe because of the eMMC Jul 29 18:24:54 is there a specific reason to use that chip? Jul 29 18:25:35 http://www.adapteva.com/products/eval-kits/parallella/ Jul 29 18:27:56 It's a module, it just uses that chip Jul 29 18:28:11 koen, are you there? Jul 29 18:28:24 parallella is cool Jul 29 18:28:40 it is? Jul 29 18:28:45 cthree87: http://beagleboardtoys.info/index.php?title=BeagleBone_TiWi-BLE_w/_EXT._Antenna Jul 29 18:29:14 cthree87: at the end you will find schematics etc Jul 29 18:29:20 the main reasons are reasonable price, WIFI and BTE, 1 antenna, FCC, IC, ETSI certified Jul 29 18:29:43 sweet! Thanks for the link Vaizki Jul 29 18:29:46 define reasonable price Jul 29 18:30:07 under $20 in quantity would be reasonable Jul 29 18:32:27 but looks like the SDIO on the module is serviced by a SDIO port expander Jul 29 18:32:32 http://www.ti.com/product/txs02612 Jul 29 18:33:17 My final application is AM3352 + TiWi-BLE + other stuff Jul 29 18:34:20 Vaizki that makes sense. The signals on the TiWi-BLE module are all 1.8V Jul 29 18:35:37 yea and SEL pin is tied high on it so it's just a level converter for SDIO it seems Jul 29 18:35:41 not a multiplexer Jul 29 18:36:03 only port B1 being used Jul 29 18:37:16 I think what is making it incompatible with the BBB is that the eMMC is taking up the second "sd" slot Jul 29 18:37:38 so you'd have to somehow disable the eMMC and then boot from uSD to have any chance of using SDIO Jul 29 18:38:05 can the uSD be disabled? Jul 29 18:38:20 no I don't think so. Jul 29 18:39:26 I suppose disabling the eMMC is workable for my application, I will have to experiment Jul 29 18:40:13 maintaining the same connectors and cape layout means compromises always.. but yea it would have been nice to get some extra BBB-only header :) Jul 29 18:40:15 and there is FedEx :) Jul 29 18:40:31 like to get mmc2_cmd out somehow Jul 29 18:40:38 to get a 3rd mmc interface Jul 29 18:40:52 ah, yes Jul 29 18:43:26 I'm still very new to the BeagleBoard platform, I've been using AVR mostly for embedded projects Jul 29 18:43:40 what BBB version do u get now, A5A or A5C ? Jul 29 18:47:34 A5C Jul 29 18:57:22 <|PiP|`> can the beagleboard black boot of a usb key? Jul 29 18:58:42 yes and no Jul 29 18:59:31 no in the sense it can't boot with USB only, but it can boot from uSD or eMMC to get MLO + uboot and then load kernel & root from USB Jul 29 18:59:37 that's at least my understanding of it Jul 29 18:59:43 <|PiP|`> what is uSD? Jul 29 18:59:48 micro sd Jul 29 18:59:51 <|PiP|`> oh lol Jul 29 19:00:05 yes, it's something like that Jul 29 19:00:19 the rom loader doesn't support usb mass storage Jul 29 19:00:26 <|PiP|`> ah i see. Jul 29 19:00:34 the kernel obviously does Jul 29 19:00:36 <|PiP|`> i wanna load freepbx image Jul 29 19:00:52 so something has to be loaded from another source Jul 29 19:01:02 and uboot does Jul 29 19:01:08 uboot is magic! Jul 29 19:01:19 <|PiP|`> how do i load uboot? Jul 29 19:01:29 uboot didn't always support it though Jul 29 19:01:45 and I can never remember exactly which usb hosts it has support for Jul 29 19:02:40 hey Jayneil the texan Jul 29 19:02:49 pip, when BBB starts up, it looks for partition 1 on the boot device and loads MLO from there (which is a stripped down uboot to fit in cpu ram). that then activates the on-board memory and loads uboot.img which loads uEnv.txt to get environment vars Jul 29 19:03:16 by modifying uEnv.txt you can get it to look for a kernel on the usb stick and boot it Jul 29 19:03:26 supports ext2/3/4 I think Jul 29 19:03:27 hi mranostay! Jul 29 19:03:47 oh and partition 1 has to be a FAT16 partition on the boot device Jul 29 19:04:03 hey guys, I'm having this weird issue: when I plug my oscilloscope on P8_20, the system goes wild, lots of IO errors, and the filesystem is remount as read-only Jul 29 19:04:05 <|PiP|`> sounds too complicated.. can i flash the bb without an SD card? Jul 29 19:04:30 yes and no Jul 29 19:04:35 short answer: no Jul 29 19:04:45 it's certainly possible Jul 29 19:04:47 (if that sounded too complicated then it's "no") Jul 29 19:05:05 <|PiP|`> lol Jul 29 19:05:11 simplest way would be to boot a linux from uart or usb and write the emmc using that Jul 29 19:05:12 gui_: ground problems? Jul 29 19:05:23 <|PiP|`> not familiar with the terminology Jul 29 19:05:33 <|PiP|`> im sure i could learn Jul 29 19:05:35 <|PiP|`> :p Jul 29 19:05:37 then it's likely that _you_ can't do it :) Jul 29 19:05:48 like this, Vaizki: http://pastebin.com/SUfCE1Vz Jul 29 19:05:49 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 101184 Apr 28 02:17 MLO Jul 29 19:05:49 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 380296 Apr 28 02:17 u-boot.img Jul 29 19:05:49 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 618 Jul 2 17:12 uEnv.txt Jul 29 19:05:59 that's what the boot partition looks like on my BBB Jul 29 19:06:18 |PiP|`: it's worth learning how the damn thing boots because some day it won't ;) Jul 29 19:06:47 ^^^^^ Jul 29 19:06:52 <|PiP|`> Lol $35... Jul 29 19:07:13 <|PiP|`> That's 30 minutes of work for me Jul 29 19:07:21 <|PiP|`> :p Jul 29 19:08:22 gui_: well p8_20 is mmc1_cmd :D Jul 29 19:08:34 if you 'scope it, you can mess up the timings easily Jul 29 19:08:47 haha Jul 29 19:08:59 i just chose a random pin to test GPIO Jul 29 19:09:16 and I chose one of the few I probably shouldn't Jul 29 19:09:34 gui_ you are adding capacitance, that could easily make a mess Jul 29 19:09:37 check out 8.1 in the SRM Jul 29 19:10:04 it lists what pins are used internally on the BBB Jul 29 19:10:32 HDMI framer and eMMC didn't exist on the BB when the P8/P9 pinout was done Jul 29 19:11:11 |PiP|`: I'm the CTO of telecoms company and I'm here helping your ass out, do you want an invoice? :D Jul 29 19:12:04 LOL Jul 29 19:12:26 <|PiP|`> lol please Jul 29 19:13:51 <|PiP|`> my point was i'll buyanother if i screw it up haha Jul 29 19:14:05 <|PiP|`> its an affordable device thankfully Jul 29 19:14:11 <|PiP|`> and a solid piece of hardware Jul 29 19:21:10 hi, I just received my beaglebone black, I flashed the last version of angstrom but sometimes obtain the following error: Jul 29 19:21:16 wget: res_query.c:251: __libc_res_nquery: Assertion `hp != hp2' failed. Jul 29 19:21:22 be it on wget or ntpdate Jul 29 19:22:06 (I also had this error on the initial version of angstrom) Jul 29 19:22:29 do you have any network problem? Jul 29 19:22:50 I do not believe so Jul 29 19:23:05 I restarted the command right after the fail assert and it worked Jul 29 19:23:20 but still, a fail assert on libc oO Jul 29 19:24:01 network problems should not give assert failures Jul 29 19:24:28 http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13013 Jul 29 19:25:16 Which glibc is it using? Jul 29 19:26:53 2.16 Jul 29 19:27:32 David S. Miller 2012-11-30 20:05:56 UTC "Fixed in glibc-2.17" Jul 29 19:27:38 yup, just saw that Jul 29 19:27:42 thx Jul 29 19:38:29 bed time Jul 29 19:44:35 if(lifeGivesYou() == 'Lemons') makeLemonade(); Jul 29 19:45:16 cC;dr Jul 29 19:46:09 Hi I have an LCD that I want to pair up to the BBB, does anyone know of an easy solution to this? Jul 29 19:46:15 http://www.revo-sys.com/prodimages/LCD-Display-Panel/TFT-LED-LCD-PANEL-MODULE-AUO-10.4-A104SN03-V1-800-600-300-NITS.pdf Jul 29 19:46:21 is the panel i have Jul 29 19:48:12 Fuzai: that is similar in nature to the lcd's used on the be lcd capes from circuitco Jul 29 19:48:54 Lemonade is better if you add Tequila. Jul 29 19:48:54 Fuzai: http://beagleboardtoys.info/index.php?title=BeagleBone_LCD7#BeagleBone_LCD7_Revision_A3 Jul 29 19:49:08 ty :) Jul 29 19:49:28 everything is better with tequila Jul 29 19:49:59 mru: camel case; didn't read? Jul 29 19:50:06 yep Jul 29 19:50:35 ynezz: they say that about bacon too Jul 29 19:50:44 so what's bacon with tequila like? Jul 29 19:50:56 Canadians say that about Maple syrup and bacon Jul 29 19:50:56 it smells like mexico Jul 29 19:53:24 mru: anyone that has tried tequila with bacon was probably too drunk to remember Jul 29 19:54:10 yep, but I was trying hard... Jul 29 19:54:37 :) Jul 29 19:54:52 where's that real bacon anyway? Jul 29 19:55:34 last time I've had bacon for breakfast was at something called Cracker Barell and it was tasting kind artifical... Jul 29 19:55:35 you've only got facon? Jul 29 19:55:41 seems so Jul 29 20:17:05 bacon, hersheys version Jul 29 20:23:28 +1 Jul 29 20:30:28 anyone have any luck compiling Qt 4.8.5 for beaglebone black? Care to share? Jul 29 20:31:56 Hey guys, what do you generally base your linux kernel development off? I've found multiple sources and with multiple "tracking" methods, but I wanted to have your input Jul 29 20:32:27 the goal is to get everything into mainline I guess Jul 29 20:32:45 any people here who think surveilance is good for security should watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHlzsURb0WI :-) Jul 29 20:32:58 Vaizki: right, that's what I'm thinking too Jul 29 20:32:58 oh.. and you should learn german too, just in case you have to flee your country ;) Jul 29 20:33:34 Vaizki: but some sources, like TI's sdks (patched snapshot of linux) seem a bit harder to track Jul 29 20:34:27 I've found the sitara-board-port on gitorious, which seems a step closer, tracking the sdks in git Jul 29 20:35:24 I was wondering if there was a am335x fork proper Jul 29 20:36:00 someone better versed in kernel dev will chime in if you wait a while :) Jul 29 20:36:51 so, looking at the bbb wiki on circuitco: "Best option is to not use the MMC1_CLK and MMC1_CMD signals at all and tie them low." Jul 29 20:37:31 Vaizki: Oh, I'm patient and will hang around :) Jul 29 20:39:34 elik, The source for the BBB kernel is the https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel Jul 29 20:39:43 errr...never mind. Jul 29 20:40:19 elik, branch 3.8 for the BBB Jul 29 20:40:39 let's see where my kernel is from... Jul 29 20:40:50 hi Defiant Jul 29 20:41:43 elik, From there a meta layer is created that is used for the Ångström build system (yocto); https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard Jul 29 20:42:23 hmmmmh seems like Arch takes mainline kernel + debian patches to build kernel :D Jul 29 20:44:09 elik, if you just want to patch and build I recommend the pages here: http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone Jul 29 20:44:31 Vaizki, Did debian copy all ~700 patches from koens tree then? Jul 29 20:45:24 dnil: so, from what I can see in the repo, you maintain a set of patch to be applied on a kernel? Jul 29 20:45:35 Is there a forum topic where I can post a picture of my "sexy" BBB case? XD Jul 29 20:45:49 dnil: and the meta layer is for openembedded? Jul 29 20:46:08 elik, Yes, afaik no one maintains a patched tree. And yes for OO Jul 29 20:46:15 I don't know.. http://rcn-ee.net/deb/sid-armhf/v3.8.13-bone24/ Jul 29 20:46:36 that's where Arch PKGBUILD pulls the patch-3.8.13... file Jul 29 20:47:02 Vaizki, rcn-ee.net is Robert Nelsons stuff I linked above Jul 29 20:47:51 yea but what I was surprised by is that Arch pulls from his debian tree.. anyway. doesn't matter. Jul 29 20:49:00 Vaizki, Given the number of patches I don't think Arch nor Debian is interested in duplicating the work of maintaining a kernel... Jul 29 20:49:05 if I need something that's not there then I will start worrying about how to piece together my own :) Jul 29 20:49:29 dnil: is the workflow laid down somewhere? Jul 29 20:50:02 elik, Not really. This is the best source I've seen... http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone Jul 29 20:50:22 dnil: and why is this method better than maintaining a repo? Jul 29 20:50:28 it's not Jul 29 20:50:39 but the idea is to go mainline Jul 29 20:50:58 elik, search the mailing list, koen has explained his reasons there lately Jul 29 20:51:03 and then there is Linus and his arm-attitude :D Jul 29 20:51:38 I'd say there is 0 chance of even mainlining all 700 patches... Jul 29 20:51:46 Vaizki: I don't have that much experience with git, but in that respect, it seems more simple to me to maintain a branch off linux than a set of patches Jul 29 20:52:07 dnil: I'll try to find the discussion topic Jul 29 20:52:39 elik, One reason is what happens after you have applied 700 patches to 3.8.13 and would like to upgrade to 3.10? Jul 29 20:53:27 Or, if you would like to maintain multiple versions of the kernel Jul 29 20:55:05 hey on the beagleboard.org "latest-images", I see "BeagleBone (Runs on BeagleBone Black as well without flashing the eMMC)" Jul 29 20:55:22 will all late beaglebone white images work on the black without the emmc? Jul 29 20:56:32 dnil, Vaizki: thanks for your insight, I got some reading to do :) Jul 29 20:57:27 elik, no problem. What I have done is built a distro based on yocto poky reference but with beaglebone BSP Jul 29 20:57:58 elik, It can be done but it is not straightforward. Jul 29 20:59:46 Roberts pages are good as intro: http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/BeagleBone_Black Jul 29 21:00:19 dnil: yeah, everybody seem to have a bit of a frankenbuild (no offense). I've looked at Robert Nelson's set of scripts to build the kernel and a few others (project arago's open-embedded, etc). I was trying to find where to lay down a fork so it would be as close as possible from the source, and therefore easier to maintain Jul 29 21:01:03 elik, What are you going to fork, kernel or userspace? Jul 29 21:01:19 dnil: yeah, found a couple of good ones from him on elinux.org and eewiki Jul 29 21:01:22 dnil: kernel Jul 29 21:01:27 is opkg working in latest production images for bbb? Jul 29 21:01:53 err...does opkg upgrade work? Jul 29 21:02:16 wy? Jul 29 21:02:25 elik, You can maintain a set of patched in a .bbappend file on top of koens meta-beagleboard layer Jul 29 21:02:37 s/patched/patches/ Jul 29 21:03:07 dnil: I'll probably try to follow Robert Nelson's way for userspace (I'll start off with something as Debian like as possible) Jul 29 21:04:56 dnil: yeah, I'll read your references on how to do the roundtrip from patches to a proper source tree for dev and back to patches Jul 29 21:05:20 isn't that called git? Jul 29 21:06:04 git am; hack, hack, hack; git format-patch Jul 29 21:06:49 people have the strangest quit messages Jul 29 21:07:35 dnil: whats your reason for doing what seems like a huge amount of work Jul 29 21:07:45 dnil: its cool to do it, but i'm just curious. Jul 29 21:08:22 elik, Yes, I would start there. If you want to try the path of using a .bbappend according to yocto recipe you need a patch though: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/beagleboard/FKKFCnWmgi4/Qs_t4VOEIioJ Jul 29 21:09:04 mru: yeah, might be.. I'm just used to hack, hack, hack; git add; git commit. Here, it seems the patches are maintained out of band Jul 29 21:09:09 mrpackethead, It is Koen, Jason, Robert etc that have done all the heavy lifting Jul 29 21:09:55 dnil, I have just added a couple of patches and a new defconfig on top and reused the rest Jul 29 21:37:24 I feel a bit old when my son comes to me and asks coding advice for avr assembler Jul 29 21:37:56 a topic on which I have no experience btw ;) Jul 29 21:39:00 anyone familiar with read() and write()? Jul 29 21:39:16 I'm sure someone is Jul 29 21:39:22 even in this room where I am sitting alone Jul 29 21:39:22 are you? Jul 29 21:39:28 haha Jul 29 21:40:08 just to make sure, if I read from a file, and it ends before the buffer, so will my resulting string, right? Jul 29 21:41:12 about how much free space ends up being on the emmc with the production images? Jul 29 21:41:14 what string? Jul 29 21:41:15 for the bbb Jul 29 21:41:29 read() has no concept of strings Jul 29 21:41:31 only of bytes Jul 29 21:41:38 what about strings of bytes? Jul 29 21:41:46 yes Jul 29 21:41:52 in fact, an array of bytes Jul 29 21:41:58 no, not an array either Jul 29 21:42:01 just bytess Jul 29 21:42:26 ok, bytes which will be copied to a pointer Jul 29 21:42:29 you ask read() to fetch some number of bytes into the supplied buffer Jul 29 21:42:40 gui_: read returns the number of bytes it actually read Jul 29 21:42:57 yes, and that might be less than requested for a number of reasons Jul 29 21:43:01 not only end of file Jul 29 21:43:22 but EOF is one of the reasons Jul 29 21:43:27 that's what I wanted to confirm Jul 29 21:43:28 gui_: but you're probably better off on the #c channel, as it's more of a programming than anything Jul 29 21:43:48 almost have the bbb hardware converted into eagle format Jul 29 21:44:01 thanks elik Jul 29 21:44:31 mrpackethead eh, as in the board files ? Jul 29 21:44:31 if read() on a blocking file descriptor returns zero, you are at the end of the file Jul 29 21:44:48 m_billybob: schematic and board files Jul 29 21:44:54 mrpackethead, helping the communuty ? Jul 29 21:45:07 err yeah whatever i said ther Jul 29 21:45:08 e Jul 29 21:45:09 someone needs a pdf to converter. Jul 29 21:45:15 for schematics and layout. Jul 29 21:45:16 Community* lol Jul 29 21:45:32 pru_evtout_2 i dont need any explanation of what it is or does Jul 29 21:45:35 im askign why Jul 29 21:45:45 m_billybob: i'm dont' want to upset the CCO folks too much, so once its done Jul 29 21:45:46 i'll ask them Jul 29 21:45:53 soudns like hes trying ot help the community out which is pretty cool Jul 29 21:46:01 pru try zamzar.com Jul 29 21:46:21 mrpackethead, its open source hardware Jul 29 21:46:24 they convert lots of stuff Jul 29 21:46:32 dont think gerald will have much problems at all Jul 29 21:46:55 gui_ it would be a computer vision, probably mixed with some machine learning, type task, not just format conversion. Jul 29 21:47:32 oops, I dind't read your second message before answering Jul 29 21:50:13 m_billybob: if gerald is ok with it Jul 29 21:50:19 i'll post them freely Jul 29 21:50:46 i want to use it as a starting base for somethign else Jul 29 21:50:55 essetnially i want to flatten some capes downwards Jul 29 21:50:58 so its all on a single pcb Jul 29 21:51:13 prpplague: oddly, nothing yet still. maybe it became a full beagle and ran off O_o Jul 29 21:51:19 * mru hands mrpackethead a steamroller Jul 29 21:51:33 im paying these guys http://www.logicswap.com to do the conversion for me Jul 29 21:51:35 JoshAshby-SFE: yes, sorry i just checked on it this morning Jul 29 21:51:43 JoshAshby-SFE: it was sitting in shipping Jul 29 21:52:04 JoshAshby-SFE: no invoice was attached so it was waiting for info Jul 29 21:52:11 haha alright cool. just wanted to make sure it didn't get lost somewhere in between or such Jul 29 21:52:17 JoshAshby-SFE: i'll have it out in the morning Jul 29 21:52:21 prpplague: thanks again! Jul 29 21:52:27 JoshAshby-SFE: np Jul 29 21:53:39 mrpackethead, Are you planning on building BBB from the Eagle sources to check them first? Jul 29 21:54:11 dnil: not quite sure what you mean? Jul 29 21:54:36 will i build a 'clone' of the bone, from the eagle? ie, directly 1:1 Jul 29 21:54:47 Right Jul 29 21:54:55 dnil: probalby not. Jul 29 21:54:59 why woudl you do that Jul 29 21:55:22 To check that the conversion is ok Jul 29 21:55:22 if i wanted a beaglebone, id buy one for $45 Jul 29 21:55:23 :-) Jul 29 21:55:41 dnil: i'll export the gerbers Jul 29 21:55:45 and compare those Jul 29 21:56:10 mrpackethead, Ok that is also a valid approach Jul 29 21:56:57 mrpackethead, Funny, I switched from Eagle and got myself setup on the Orcad tools Jul 29 21:56:59 i'm moving to bbb from bbw. i have a cape that uses the mmc1 pins (for pru gpio), so i need to boot with the emmc disabled. Jul 29 21:57:15 dnil: i would have seriously looked at eagle Jul 29 21:57:16 how do i make the bone boot from the sd with the emmc disabled? Jul 29 21:57:19 sorry orcad Jul 29 21:57:28 but no-body from cadence would talk to me Jul 29 21:57:32 or reply to my emails Jul 29 21:57:39 i see forum posts about booting from sd with emmc functioning, but nothing about booting from sd with emmc disabled completely. Jul 29 21:57:54 pru_evtout_2, the boot button Jul 29 21:57:57 mrpackethead, Very odd indeed. I use a local retailer Jul 29 21:58:13 what did the cadence set up cost you if i can ask? Jul 29 21:58:16 mrpackethead, I hear things about diptrace Jul 29 21:58:18 ( i coud'nt even get a price! ) Jul 29 21:58:33 I'm leaning twoards spending $10k on Altium Jul 29 21:58:33 pru_evtout_2: I guess you could disable the eMMC virtual cape after boot? Jul 29 21:58:44 and just not thinking too hard about it! Jul 29 21:58:50 Vaizki: i have stuff connected to those pins. no can do. Jul 29 21:58:51 mrpackethead, Its around $2500 Jul 29 21:59:19 Russ, am i going to have to solder a jumper across the button, or do i have to be present for every boot? Jul 29 21:59:21 pru_evtout_2: then you'd have to disable the driver with a kernel parameter or something? Jul 29 21:59:37 well, if it can't find mmc0, it should try mmc1 Jul 29 21:59:43 and fix uboot so it doesn't probe it Jul 29 21:59:56 Vaizki: where does uboot live? :P Jul 29 22:00:07 ... here we go again.. Jul 29 22:00:20 the boot rom does the initial boot selection Jul 29 22:00:55 http://ahsoftware.de/Beaglebone_Black_Boot_explained.svg Jul 29 22:00:55 Russ: he wants to completely stop the kernel from activating the eMMC Jul 29 22:01:08 which it will even if it boots from uSD / uart/ usb Jul 29 22:01:36 i have the emmc disabled by pulling the cmd and clk low, as described on the wiki Jul 29 22:01:37 pru_evtout_2: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Weather_Cape_Work-Around Jul 29 22:01:48 well the "no" from mmc1 goes to mmc0 Jul 29 22:02:00 that tells you how to stop the kernel from loading the cape even at boot Jul 29 22:02:32 Russ, if you boot from uSD you will still see eMMC as /dev/mmcblk1 unless it's disabled Jul 29 22:02:53 otherwise you couldn't ever flash it for example ;) Jul 29 22:03:04 mrpackethead, Here are some "official" Orcad pricing: http://www.parallel-systems.co.uk/products/pcb-editor Jul 29 22:05:09 Vaizki: i'm confused. i'm using the mmc1 pins. there's stuff connected to them. i don't see how that could ever work. Jul 29 22:05:20 how what could work? Jul 29 22:05:49 "Go to My Computer>BeagleBone Getting Started> and open uEnv.txt" Jul 29 22:06:09 isn't this file located on the emmc? i don't see an sd card mentioned. Jul 29 22:06:34 umm it's on sd card partition 1 which is fat16 Jul 29 22:06:44 remove the u-boot spl from mmc0, and it won't boot from it Jul 29 22:06:59 u-boot spl aka MLO Jul 29 22:07:13 file named MLO that is :) Jul 29 22:10:49 hrmm, i guess before i try too much Jul 29 22:10:51 window 6 Jul 29 22:10:55 lol Jul 29 22:11:40 i'm using the bbw image from beagleboard.org. it says "(Runs on BeagleBone Black as well without flashing the eMMC)" Jul 29 22:12:05 if the emmc is disabled, and all is well, this image should work as claimed, correct? Jul 29 22:13:15 nm, just tried, it boots if i hold s2 Jul 29 22:13:34 oh, haha, it's boots if i have the emmc clk and cmd pulled down! Jul 29 22:13:36 so, never mind! Jul 29 22:13:41 that's what I figured Jul 29 22:13:56 'well, if it can't find mmc0, it should try mmc1' Jul 29 22:14:06 nice! Jul 29 22:14:39 i had the MLO on the sd renamed! Jul 29 22:14:51 what Jul 29 22:15:00 then it found the MLO on the emmc if it booted Jul 29 22:15:16 no, emmc was disabled...so all was silent. Jul 29 22:15:28 I can't understand uboot, it spews all kind of useless crap but not for example what device it's booting from ;) Jul 29 22:15:49 well if you renamed MLO on the _SD_ then it must have found one somewhere else Jul 29 22:15:54 otherwise it won't boot Jul 29 22:16:06 you're correct, it didn't boot. :) Jul 29 22:16:32 thus, my questions. Jul 29 22:16:41 you need to have MLO, u-boot.bin and uEnv.txt on the SD card's first partition Jul 29 22:17:01 you need to keep the boot button pressed while it boots Jul 29 22:17:10 that way you can boot off the SD Jul 29 22:17:31 oh and it needs to be pressed when the CPU is reset, not just in soft boot Jul 29 22:17:40 well, since i have the emmc hardware disabled, it looks like it tries the sd on its own, as russ mentioned, so no need for holding the button. Jul 29 22:18:19 or at least the blinking light suggest it booted. Jul 29 22:18:32 well that's great then. you do have a USB TTL cable right? :D Jul 29 22:18:39 YOU DO DON'T YOU Jul 29 22:19:06 no. i have the rs232 connected to my tongue. i can sense the console. Jul 29 22:19:48 err, guess it's not rs232. Jul 29 22:19:50 rs232...? ok so no cable Jul 29 22:19:57 no it's not :) Jul 29 22:21:10 hrmm, i should be able to directly wire to a bbw for the console, correct? Jul 29 22:21:14 :D Jul 29 22:21:42 yes Jul 29 22:21:54 of course you need to setup the serial there Jul 29 22:21:57 in your face ftdi! Jul 29 22:22:12 heartbeat stops after about a minute of booting. time to see i guess. Jul 29 22:22:17 but usb serial ttl dongles are so cheap you should right now go and order some Jul 29 22:22:37 but, the bbw sitting a few inches from my bbb is cheaper. Jul 29 22:23:34 sure. I just got 5 of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/300881830900?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Jul 29 22:24:04 I put one in the car glove compartment ;) Jul 29 22:25:25 wow, that is cheap. Jul 29 22:25:54 yea it's not as rock solid as ftdi but has worked without problems for me @ 115200 and 9600 bps Jul 29 22:26:10 for emergency console access that's all I need.. to see boot messages et Jul 29 22:26:12 etc Jul 29 22:26:31 and u-boot is interactive so once you have serial access you can see what's on the different mmc:s etc Jul 29 22:36:43 bam, workin. Jul 29 22:39:26 so, is it proper behavior for the device tree to try to load the emmc even when the hardware doesn't exist? Jul 29 22:39:36 I need to order some huge ass bunch of caps and resistors assortment Jul 29 22:39:42 "[ 120.483388] INFO: task mmcqd/0:68 blocked for more than 60 seconds" Jul 29 22:40:09 that gives a kernel panic. Jul 29 22:40:10 pru_evtout_2: if you don't disable the eMMC virtual cape it will try to do it yes Jul 29 22:40:30 then again the HW does exist Jul 29 22:40:46 you just tied it's legs Jul 29 22:41:18 well, that's debatable. it responds no differently than if the pins were connected to a cricket. Jul 29 22:41:43 although, the cricket might flee...so no different than a rock. Jul 29 22:42:16 well you can now get to uboot command line right? Jul 29 22:42:23 yeah. it's not a problem. Jul 29 22:42:35 i just assumed device tree was smarted. did some sort of "do you exist" type device probe (if applicable) Jul 29 22:42:37 so then it's easy to experiment with kernel parameters Jul 29 22:42:40 more plug and play like. Jul 29 22:43:02 I don't know enough about that Jul 29 22:43:26 well, i'm assuming i can modify the uEnv.txt on the sd card. Jul 29 22:43:46 sure but for testing it's easy to do it "online" in the uboot shell Jul 29 22:44:15 i see. Jul 29 22:44:56 uEnv.txt just contains environment setting commands Jul 29 22:45:02 you can run the same commands in the shell Jul 29 22:45:19 I deleted the MLO file on Beaglebone black by mistake and now when I connect it the computer its not detecting the beaglebone, is there a way to reset it? Jul 29 22:45:33 put the MLO file back Jul 29 22:45:56 beaglebone is not showing up in My Computer Jul 29 22:46:12 do you have your usb ttl serial cable ready? Jul 29 22:46:49 yes i have Jul 29 22:46:59 wow :O Jul 29 22:47:18 you have to prepare a uSD card and boot from that Jul 29 22:47:46 then restore the MLO file Jul 29 22:48:05 or just reflash the BBB but of course that will wipe everything from eMMC Jul 29 22:48:41 what will be stored on the eMMC Jul 29 22:48:55 sigh... Jul 29 22:49:06 I assumed you are booting from the eMMC :) Jul 29 22:50:02 can you tell me how to reset the beaglebone to its original settings Jul 29 22:50:30 like it came from the factory= Jul 29 22:50:31 ? Jul 29 22:50:35 yes Jul 29 22:50:37 Vaizki: uEnv didn't work. i'm in uboot. woot woot. Jul 29 22:50:47 pru_evtout_2: google! Jul 29 22:50:50 :D Jul 29 22:51:22 and how! Jul 29 22:51:32 sid__: http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started#update Jul 29 22:53:33 but now it's sleep for me.. 2 am Jul 29 22:54:19 thanks for the help yo! Jul 29 22:57:17 Vaiziki: thanks :) Jul 29 22:58:30 hi, another question Jul 29 22:58:40 so the BBB is supposed to include an SD card Jul 29 22:58:47 only one question per day is included in the free plan Jul 29 22:58:54 however, the slot is empty Jul 29 22:59:05 but when I plug it in, I can still access the computer Jul 29 22:59:08 it's not supposed to come with an sd card Jul 29 22:59:17 it has an onboard emmc chip Jul 29 22:59:55 so what am I missing hereah Jul 29 22:59:59 oops Jul 29 23:00:03 sorry Jul 29 23:00:12 mru: so can you upgrade that? Jul 29 23:02:57 no Jul 29 23:03:05 it's soldered to the board Jul 29 23:03:12 that's what emmc means, more or less Jul 29 23:03:44 I mean, can you upgrade the Angstrom installation on it without a MicroSD card? Jul 29 23:06:37 no, you need a sd card . but yes you can upgrade the eMMC Ã¥ngström from that sd card. Jul 29 23:06:50 and i can't sleep, my wife is snoring Jul 29 23:07:03 pastis instead Jul 29 23:08:29 Anybody try and build the kernel lately? Getting a recursive dependency error: http://pastebin.com/RJYC2MNd Jul 29 23:12:00 Vaizki: can you use a USB hard drive? Jul 29 23:13:45 to update? Jul 29 23:17:17 XFaCE: no Jul 29 23:17:38 damn Jul 29 23:24:51 any idea how can i modify the trigger for the BBB leds to keep them lid up with no flickering ? Jul 29 23:39:00 anyone gotten the camera cape working with beagle bone black? Jul 29 23:39:31 it won't boot for me when I connect the cape and try to boot from SD card. Jul 29 23:42:02 newtobeagleboneb: what's the console say? Jul 29 23:42:58 vvu: you can control those leds. googl "beaglebone user leds" Jul 29 23:43:09 pru_evtout_2: got it workin Jul 29 23:43:34 i had them on delay_on and off but did not know about having them always on/off Jul 29 23:43:55 nothing at all, the power LED on the board lights up, but no other lights are on and nothing at all happens. without the camera cape it boots ok. Jul 29 23:45:09 does the camera cape use the mmc lines or something? Jul 29 23:45:25 maybe try holding down s2 before you power on? Jul 29 23:45:49 err...that probably wont work. Jul 29 23:46:26 i don't know. i'll be quiet. sounds like it's getting in the way of the mmc lines and maybe your sd isn't bootable. Jul 29 23:47:39 pru_evtout_2: thanks, I'll look into the MMC line; that would make sense. Jul 29 23:48:46 pru_evtout_2: I do hold down the button when resetting to boot to sd and without the cape it seems to work. Jul 29 23:49:44 pru_evtout_2: but I admit I could easily be doing something wrong as i am very new to beagleboard. Jul 29 23:54:59 anyone have a u-boot.img for bbb that supports "mmc rstn"? Jul 30 00:51:58 So I am getting a Beaglebone Black tomorrow and am curious about a few things Jul 30 00:52:01 First is HDMI support, I read somewhere that the maximum resolution is 1280x1024 but other sources report up to 1080p. Is this just a mileage may vary kind of thing depending on the monitor or what? Jul 30 00:52:35 Second is speed, about how fast is a full desktop environment like LXDE running on the Beaglebone Black? Jul 30 00:57:26 And finally where can I find documentation regarding the beaglebone black's GPIO? Jul 30 01:23:07 dcj123: black can support up to 1080p but with limited audio over HDMI, 720p is generally what most people operate at with full audio support Jul 30 01:23:36 dcj123: there are hundreds of wiki pages on elinux.org and on circuit.com Jul 30 01:23:48 dcj123: that describe the interfaces available on the black Jul 30 01:24:08 Ok thx, I'll look into it Jul 30 01:24:35 And I'll try 720p when I hook it up tomorrow Jul 30 01:46:32 Okay I found the information about the headers, Is expansion headers the same between the beaglebone and beaglebone black? Jul 30 01:46:49 *Is the expansion headers Jul 30 01:50:50 dcj123: yes Jul 30 01:51:19 okay thxs again **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 30 02:59:58 2013