**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 31 02:59:58 2013 Jul 31 03:14:04 my bbb case is so 1970s lol Jul 31 03:19:19 my bbb case is so 1960's Jul 31 03:27:12 my bbb case is so invisible :) Jul 31 03:27:52 mrpacket_: Masonite, wood, and a plastic from a CD case Jul 31 03:28:02 *plastic Jul 31 03:28:07 my bbb case is bigger than yours Jul 31 03:28:12 So i'm trying to use the built in serial header of the BBB to jump to a wireless routers serial console ( everything is 3.3v ), I can receive but i can't seem to transmit, even if i loopback the rx / tx pins i can't get the BBB to show anything, anyone know what's up? Jul 31 03:28:37 fuzzy, almost certianly you have a logic level problem Jul 31 03:28:45 the header of the BBB is not RS232 level Jul 31 03:28:50 its 3v3 TTL Jul 31 03:28:53 i know Jul 31 03:28:57 that's actually what i need Jul 31 03:28:58 most routers will be RS232 Jul 31 03:29:01 like i said Jul 31 03:29:07 i can see the rx from it Jul 31 03:29:13 i just can't seem to tx out of the BBB to anything including itself Jul 31 03:29:33 if you've already plugged it into a serial port Jul 31 03:29:35 that is 12V Jul 31 03:29:40 "serial" Jul 31 03:29:40 you've probably nerked it Jul 31 03:29:47 it's never seen 12v Jul 31 03:29:47 rs232 Jul 31 03:29:56 http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/wnr3500l Jul 31 03:30:06 Serial port settings are 115200@8n1. USB to TTL modules are self powered and only need 3 wires (RX, TX and GND). Jul 31 03:30:06 Connect first GND, then TX to the RX pin of USB Module. It also works with these 2 pins only for readonly. VCC +3,3V pin is used for powering non USB RS232-TTL cables. Jul 31 03:30:25 Note: The router's serial port uses 3.3v logic, do not connect a regular 12v serial cable to it. Jul 31 03:30:37 oh, well then you migh be ok Jul 31 03:30:58 just because i'm new to the BBB doesn't make me a complete moron Jul 31 03:31:22 anyways even on loopback to itself Jul 31 03:31:26 i'm not seeing any kind of echo Jul 31 03:32:16 fuzzy: we'll let you know when you are granted troll status Jul 31 03:32:29 i'm not trying to troll Jul 31 03:32:38 i'm trying to make this device actually do something useful Jul 31 03:32:49 so far i can't use my wifi adapter even after i add the firmware Jul 31 03:32:51 hdmi doesn't work Jul 31 03:32:54 and now the serial doesn't work Jul 31 03:32:57 i'm 3/3 on the day Jul 31 03:33:15 and yes i updated to the latest angstrom build today Jul 31 03:36:41 i use debian Jul 31 03:37:03 some of the angstrum trolls will be able to help you Jul 31 03:37:04 angstrom is supposed to be the only offically suported build from what I was told this afternoon Jul 31 03:37:16 supported by CCO.. whatever that means Jul 31 03:38:17 i dot' use HDMI at all Jul 31 03:38:22 in fact turn it off Jul 31 03:38:28 so its not configured Jul 31 03:41:16 fuzzy: do you have one of the usb ---> header cables? Jul 31 03:41:27 can you plug it into a known good port? Jul 31 03:41:37 no i don't Jul 31 03:41:50 i'm trying to use this as a header cable to recover a screwed up wireless router Jul 31 03:44:59 ahh Jul 31 03:52:25 moo Jul 31 03:52:36 tractoring after dark with beer. fun fun Jul 31 04:06:27 wooo i think i got it Jul 31 04:06:37 i had to disable the serial login on ttyO0 Jul 31 04:10:00 yes, you woudl have to Jul 31 04:46:14 Just a quick question, would an 8gb minisd be sufficient for general booting etc? (noting that it will be complimented by a 320 gb portable hard drive) Jul 31 04:50:02 XFaCE: definitely Jul 31 04:50:19 good Jul 31 04:50:31 elik: I assume something like http://www.amazon.ca/Kingston-Flash-Memory-SDC10-8GB/dp/B004S1PNE0/ref=sr_1_14?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1375246037&sr=1-14 would be compatible? Jul 31 04:50:40 despite being microSDHC only? Jul 31 04:51:45 XFaCE: it looks good, but I haven't experimented with many sd cards Jul 31 04:52:00 elik: which brand/type do you use? Jul 31 04:52:10 beaglebone Jul 31 04:52:38 I mean of mini sd card Jul 31 04:52:44 oh, sorry Jul 31 04:53:55 XFaCE: kingston too, actually, yours look an aweful lot like mine Jul 31 04:54:05 elik: cool Jul 31 04:54:10 they seem to be the most robust Jul 31 04:54:20 http://www.amazon.ca/Kingston-Flash-Memory-SDC10-8GB/dp/B004S1PNE0/ref=sr_1_14?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1375246037&sr=1-14 Jul 31 04:54:52 this one is fast tho Jul 31 04:55:33 err Jul 31 04:55:34 faster Jul 31 04:55:54 that's the same link twice Jul 31 04:56:06 oops Jul 31 04:56:07 elik: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B009QZH7D8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375246152&s=electronics&sr=1-1 Jul 31 04:58:46 XFaCE: I have never put much thought into SD card selection, sorry. As long as it boots, I'm happy :) Jul 31 04:58:55 ok :) Jul 31 04:59:01 I'll stick with tried and true then Jul 31 04:59:59 XFaCE: for 10$, it's not too much of an investment to try either. Worse case scenario, you got an extension card for your cell phone Jul 31 05:01:28 elik: lol I already have one tho :P Jul 31 05:19:02 is there a limit to the number of device overlays you can add using slots in BBB? I seem to get errors when trying to add a third slot. Jul 31 06:03:20 trolls Jul 31 06:03:35 bridges Jul 31 06:04:22 beer trolls! Jul 31 06:04:48 <_av500_> ahoi Jul 31 06:05:09 who let the serb in? :P Jul 31 06:05:41 <_av500_> came in through the NSA backdoor Jul 31 06:16:46 right back to the bench Jul 31 06:16:53 to get some boards buolt Jul 31 06:18:47 <_av500_> buoyed? Jul 31 06:20:50 mranostay: who! who! Jul 31 06:22:15 emeb_mac: minnow FPGA lure Jul 31 06:22:41 mranostay: why not? Jul 31 06:23:06 those PCI headers make it more sexy Jul 31 06:23:09 do it with some huge-a$$ FPGA in a BGA pkg w/ lotsa I/O & fabric Jul 31 06:23:34 <_av500_> +1 Jul 31 06:23:51 <_av500_> also make the FPGA run a small OS that can "configure" the lure Jul 31 06:24:13 <_av500_> with its own LCD and buttons Jul 31 06:24:15 NIOS or Microblaze Jul 31 06:24:27 <_av500_> both Jul 31 06:24:28 zynq Jul 31 06:24:31 <_av500_> in hot standby Jul 31 06:24:46 and its own DRAM, USB & Ethernet, so the lure can stand alone Jul 31 06:24:51 <_av500_> yes Jul 31 06:25:00 "We don't need no steenking Minnow!" Jul 31 06:25:09 <_av500_> maybe the lure can have a small area where you can plug a minnow - eventually Jul 31 06:25:22 * mranostay hates everyone here :) Jul 31 06:25:28 Alright, this is just getting silly Jul 31 06:25:33 <_av500_> mranostay: we hate you by design Jul 31 06:25:50 did someone say troll? Jul 31 06:25:59 <_av500_> mranostay: your gate to today is A20 Jul 31 06:26:07 har Jul 31 06:26:08 <_av500_> have a nice fdiv Jul 31 06:26:49 ctl-alt-del Jul 31 06:31:46 _av500_: i'm never living this Intel thing down am I? :) Jul 31 06:31:54 mranostay: Nope Jul 31 06:32:46 good to know Jul 31 06:34:07 bad life choices are bad Jul 31 06:34:08 emeb_mac: sunset highway biking seems so fast :) Jul 31 06:34:08 ;) Jul 31 06:34:23 a wonderfull JIHAD, btw :) Jul 31 06:34:23 KotH: i've made much worse for much less money :P Jul 31 06:34:38 aka last job *ahem* Jul 31 06:35:00 mranostay: Intel pays OK. I got outta there after 1.5yrs though. Jul 31 06:35:11 i dont even know what your last job was, so it couldnt have been that bad ;) Jul 31 06:35:46 oh it was.. faux startup Jul 31 06:35:59 only thing that was startup was the pay Jul 31 06:38:24 <_av500_> so McD is a startup? Jul 31 06:40:39 _av500_: fuck you :) Jul 31 06:40:49 language! Jul 31 06:41:00 kids should be sleeping Jul 31 06:41:19 kids should be doing a lot of things, but they generally don't Jul 31 06:42:31 _av500_: i worked at a Wedny's thank you ... 10 years ago .. :P Jul 31 06:43:08 happy 20th aniversary of second reality! Jul 31 06:43:44 eh? Jul 31 06:44:36 it's all in his head! Jul 31 06:45:11 I am trying to boot my board and it no longer shows up, when i boot of latest angstrom sd version it doesn't work either, how can I execute the board diagnostics? Jul 31 06:45:28 have a hammer? Jul 31 06:45:44 Guest76376: connect a serial cable Jul 31 06:45:51 Guest76376: or what mranostay said Jul 31 06:46:19 so, I return the item? Jul 31 06:47:07 what, beagle bone black ever work? Jul 31 06:47:30 i have several that work Jul 31 06:47:50 what does the serial put out if the rest doesn't work? Jul 31 06:48:41 <_av500_> mranostay: town I went to school had a Wendy! Jul 31 06:49:15 <_av500_> Guest76376: depends Jul 31 06:49:19 <_av500_> on what still works Jul 31 06:49:45 how do i read the port on my windows machine? Jul 31 06:49:59 <_av500_> with a terminal software Jul 31 06:50:04 <_av500_> hyperterm Jul 31 06:50:06 <_av500_> or such Jul 31 06:50:07 i don't have serial on this mb Jul 31 06:50:14 _av500_: oh you Jul 31 06:50:15 <_av500_> get a usb2serial cable Jul 31 06:50:23 <_av500_> mranostay: its true Jul 31 06:51:15 <_av500_> mranostay: and given the town is a rather uplevel "spa" type of place, it was bizarre Jul 31 06:51:33 why can't i just reprogram it or boot the distro? Jul 31 06:51:33 its the diags there? Jul 31 06:51:38 <_av500_> you can Jul 31 06:51:45 <_av500_> put angstrom image on SD Jul 31 06:51:58 <_av500_> boot with the "boot" button pressed Jul 31 06:52:41 i did, it makes windows beep once but does not put a drive there, and there is no ssh Jul 31 06:52:55 or even a support page on the unit Jul 31 06:53:22 i keep the button pressed a bit? Jul 31 06:53:36 for some time? Jul 31 06:54:27 hello, beagleboard black here, followed instructions on TI website to burn 4.2.2 android on an sdcard of class 10. checked boot flag fine. pressing s2 while plugging in mini usb doesn't seem to work. am I missing anything? Jul 31 06:54:43 _av500_: i usually hexedit my angstrom manaully Jul 31 06:54:55 i like having control of my SD cards Jul 31 06:56:05 TI warns: If your NAND flash is not empty the system might not boot with MMC, in that case do the following with Serial Console / Terminal prompt in u-boot Jul 31 06:56:23 does this apply to me? Jul 31 06:59:17 any hint Jul 31 07:06:41 im trying to get my laser cut stencils in mylar to run perfectly. Jul 31 07:06:45 its a tricky busines. Jul 31 07:07:07 oh _av500_ it worked, you solved my problem, wont need Jul 31 07:07:27 to use a serial port Guest76376 since it cam up , now need to try ssh Jul 31 07:07:57 _av500_: what's a Wendy Jul 31 07:08:00 it put me on n: this time which is mapped to something else (a compy luckily not on right now) Jul 31 07:08:21 Those are are using debian on their BBB, is there a way to install debian to the BBB using just the demo image and not the netinstall? Jul 31 07:08:30 i needed reboot with power in Jul 31 07:08:53 use power in and press reset or power down and then bring it on to get it to work (s2 pressed) Jul 31 07:10:41 just getting start app trying to use 192.168.etc doesnt work, firefox does Jul 31 07:10:53 opera does too Jul 31 07:10:59 <[yAK[> does the bbb ubuntu image that is on elinux not use the /etc/network/interfaces file? Jul 31 07:11:02 arr! morgens Jul 31 07:12:30 <_av500_> cde: burger place Jul 31 07:14:25 fuzzy, there is a flasher image Jul 31 07:14:29 that will get you started Jul 31 07:14:39 it is quite minimal though Jul 31 07:14:40 i must of missed it Jul 31 07:14:44 i found the demo image and it works nicely Jul 31 07:15:10 which installer did you use? Jul 31 07:15:22 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian Jul 31 07:15:33 i think i might have found what you are speaking of Jul 31 07:16:01 https://github.com/RobertCNelson/tools/blob/master/scripts/beaglebone-black-copy-microSD-to-eMMC.sh Jul 31 07:16:03 ? Jul 31 07:16:19 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian#Flasher Jul 31 07:16:55 oh Jul 31 07:16:58 http://rcn-ee.net/deb/flasher/wheezy/BBB-eMMC-flasher-debian-7.1-2013-07-22.img.xz Jul 31 07:17:06 gotcha thanky ou Jul 31 07:18:22 already ditching angstrom? Jul 31 07:18:44 grumble grumble systemd grumble Jul 31 07:18:47 i'm a debian head anyways Jul 31 07:19:12 and there is a kernel module I need that i'm hoping is in the default kernel for debian Jul 31 07:19:23 it's default in x86 land for deb and ubunt Jul 31 07:19:35 ath9k_htc if anyone is wondering Jul 31 07:22:02 other then that Jul 31 07:22:11 i did manage to debrick my router :) Jul 31 07:22:28 well brick and debrick, it's along story Jul 31 07:22:53 only time i've ever had to purposely brick a router to get it to take a firmware image Jul 31 07:25:04 if i install fedora how can I run something like GateOne SSH client? Jul 31 07:25:16 why not use putty? Jul 31 07:25:17 :) you dont have to answer Jul 31 07:25:20 or built in ssh Jul 31 07:27:08 can I pull the memory card with power on? Jul 31 07:27:55 i dunno, i doubt it though Jul 31 07:28:03 depends if you booted from it Jul 31 07:43:58 are there issues known in using RCN's build_deb.sh on an amd64 box? it complains a whole lot here about libfakeroot-sysv.so not being able to preload Jul 31 07:44:46 ia32-libs is installed, of course Jul 31 08:29:25 hi! Jul 31 08:31:58 hi Jul 31 08:33:09 Does anyone know how to ssh into a second beaglebone connected to your compute via usb-to-ethernet. The first one is accesible via ssh at 192.168.7.2, but what is the address of the second one? Jul 31 08:33:40 the one you set with ifconfig or /etc/network/interfaces Jul 31 08:36:32 need some help with DT. i added a pca9555 i2c gpio-expander which works fine, gpios 240-255 are added to the system. it is configured via DT. how can i use the new pins in DT, too? https://www.dropbox.com/s/tjbhbc91f4jtrlc/dt.txt shows how i tried it Jul 31 08:37:50 @Rotti... but am I not required to be logged in to the BBB to do that? Jul 31 08:38:27 brykt: at least you need to be logged in once to configure the network device Jul 31 08:38:34 I only have (or not have at the moment) shh access. Jul 31 08:38:47 ssh is fine for that Jul 31 08:39:15 But how can I ssh into the bbb if I do not know the ip adress of it? Jul 31 08:39:48 ah, i see the problem, sorry Jul 31 08:40:01 you can try to run a dhcp server on your pc Jul 31 08:40:20 (it should only offer addresses on the usb eth device) Jul 31 08:40:52 i guess you then can find out the ip addresses corresponding to the mac addresses Jul 31 08:41:03 wireshark/tcpdump could help, too Jul 31 08:46:04 oh, well, got the DT stuff working... Jul 31 08:48:39 @Rotti, ok thanks. I will try that. Jul 31 08:49:48 brykt: well, if you have a 3.3v serial adapter (like a ftdi or similar), you can connect it to the serial console of the bbb and use minicom/hyperterminal/putty/... Jul 31 08:50:34 (if it is the old, white, one, a usb cable is enough to get a console) Jul 31 08:50:44 ah, ok. Unfortunately I have not. Maybe I have to get one... Jul 31 08:50:57 It is the new beaglebone black version. Jul 31 08:51:38 some cables for mobile phones had an ftdi/pl2303 or similar, too... those could work, too Jul 31 08:52:57 if your pc still has a rs232 port, a max3232 would help, too ;) Jul 31 08:54:02 I used old Nokia CA-42 Data cable, als usb-serial 3v3 Jul 31 08:57:27 some of the emails and comments in the big DT ABI thread scare me silly, it seems after the initial Board File > DT hump, there is still a loooooooooooooooong road ahead Jul 31 08:58:46 jackmitchell: it should have involved a move like powerpc -> ppc Jul 31 08:59:10 jackmitchell: Jason did that with the mv stuff, so there's no misunderstanding when booting a board like there is with TI chips Jul 31 08:59:22 no boardfile + partial DT mess Jul 31 09:00:03 yeah, I don't really understand how DT can ever be a stable ABI, it would just be a perpetually growing monster Jul 31 09:00:16 that doesn't completely fix the issue with am335x with drivers for IP blocks (e.g. ethernet) gained bindings without a proper booting platform in mainline Jul 31 09:00:59 or the issue that other platforms start using the bindings and find it lacking Jul 31 09:01:32 that's going to be the problem, each platform has a couple of special features, multiplied by 20 platforms and you have an ethernet binding with over 100 'stable' options Jul 31 09:01:58 ti,make-it-work =<0x20> Jul 31 09:03:47 jackmitchell: you and I ship products, so our world view is already completely alien to most kernel devs Jul 31 09:03:56 especially devs from silicon vendors Jul 31 09:04:03 the only people I can see this benefiting are 'desktop' manufacturers Jul 31 09:04:18 i.e. if we're updating a kernel, then why can't we update the DT? Jul 31 09:06:43 even with a 'stable' DT you can run into problem Jul 31 09:06:52 s Jul 31 09:07:06 to take the bone and regular beagle as an example Jul 31 09:07:19 da8xx-fb vs drm/tilcdc Jul 31 09:07:26 dss2 vs omapdrm Jul 31 09:07:38 multiple drivers for the same ip block Jul 31 09:08:57 hello Jul 31 09:09:00 I think with a stable ABI then drivers would possibly start looking like mini board files if Jul 31 09:09:10 anything can help me? Jul 31 09:09:35 i need the module "ti_adc.ko Jul 31 09:09:36 they couldn't get the binding they wanted, then it would just be a mess of if statements trying to determine the current board Jul 31 09:09:43 but i don´t want to compile Jul 31 09:09:48 i need to donwload Jul 31 09:10:03 ADC_MODULE: where did you get the kernel from? Jul 31 09:10:54 jackmitchell: one of my slides said "there's an if() in my boardfile, now what?" Jul 31 09:11:19 jackmitchell: it seems the preferred solution is to move that if() into the bootloader and load a different DT Jul 31 09:11:42 speaking of DT, I need to look at kernel.bbclass and see how it handles DTs Jul 31 09:11:50 the emails I read about it scared me Jul 31 09:12:22 * jackmitchell has been shamelessly hoping a good solution would magically appear ;) Jul 31 09:12:41 * KotH does magic Jul 31 09:13:10 I haven't even dared follow the OE automagic DT stuff; I should probably give it a read, inject some real world scenarios in there Jul 31 09:13:32 jackmitchell: I don't really like what I did in linux.inc for meta-beagle, but it is loads better than the stuff in oe-core and meta-ti Jul 31 09:14:03 jackmitchell, i read about ADC converter in TI, And i need to load the module "ti_adc.ko" but first i have to compile Jul 31 09:14:05 koen: it's ok, I've seen what they did in meta-altera Jul 31 09:14:06 i have windows Jul 31 09:14:22 and i don´t find the module in iternet Jul 31 09:14:27 in the net Jul 31 09:14:35 ADC_MODULE: you should get the module from the same place you got your kernel, they won't work if they don't match Jul 31 09:14:36 jackmitchell: I don't want to nominate a single DT, the bone already needs 2 and regular beagle 4 already Jul 31 09:14:44 ok Jul 31 09:15:04 with the default angstrom image, i disabled gnome stuff and the power switch stopped making "init 0." does this make sense? Jul 31 09:15:05 jackmitchell, i have the initial kernel in beaglebone black Jul 31 09:15:26 koen: note that linux-yocto requires linux-dtb.inc Jul 31 09:16:01 everytime I use linux-yocto based kernels I want to claw my eyes out Jul 31 09:16:12 so Jackmitchell, in the page of beaglebone i can find this module? Jul 31 09:16:13 I like the architecture of the tools Jul 31 09:16:28 but goddamn, would it be so difficult to have sane defaults? Jul 31 09:16:33 koen: it's very easy to customize/abuse Jul 31 09:16:40 I end up overriding pretty much every damn option Jul 31 09:16:49 ADC_MODULE: if the initial beaglebone doesn't come with the module, you will have to update and see if the new version does, or compile it yourself Jul 31 09:16:57 and disabling kernel config options that are enabled by default isn't working reliably Jul 31 09:17:38 koen: that is supposedly solved with a KERNEL_FEATURES bugfix Jul 31 09:17:46 have yet to test on-field Jul 31 09:19:22 ant_work: it's like KDE evaluating scons as buildsystem Jul 31 09:19:38 ant_work: "It's really easy to write plugins for scons to do what we want" Jul 31 09:19:54 jackmitchell is the beaglebone Black with the last image Jul 31 09:20:03 koen: the point is l-y starts with 'alldefconfig' while l-y-tint with 'allnoconfig'. Is different approach Jul 31 09:20:05 ant_work: "But scons lacks even the basic functionality, so we'd need to write plugins for that" Jul 31 09:20:16 s/tin/tiny/ Jul 31 09:20:35 ADC_MODULE: I'm pretty sure, the lastest beaglebone black comes with ADC support, if that is all you are after Jul 31 09:20:41 ADC_MODULE: I get the impression you're reading the wrong guide, one that uses that dreadfull TI 3.2 kernel Jul 31 09:20:54 ADC_MODULE: and all beaglebone black images have ADC support builtin already Jul 31 09:21:01 jackmitchell: every image has adc support Jul 31 09:21:07 koen: actually l-y decided my arm devices are needing ethernet PCI drivers ;) Jul 31 09:21:12 koen what is the module? Jul 31 09:21:19 ADC_MODULE: no module Jul 31 09:21:29 i read in ti that for use the adc is the module "ti_adc.ko Jul 31 09:21:37 11:20 < koen> ADC_MODULE: I get the impression you're reading the wrong guide, one that uses that dreadfull TI 3.2 kernel Jul 31 09:21:41 i have to load insmod ti_adc.ko Jul 31 09:21:48 and use the adc Jul 31 09:21:56 who the fuck still uses insmod? Jul 31 09:22:02 you need modprobe Jul 31 09:22:03 o/ Jul 31 09:22:04 but Jul 31 09:22:04 but, what is the other alternative koen? Jul 31 09:22:08 11:21 < koen> 11:20 < koen> ADC_MODULE: I get the impression you're reading the wrong guide, one that uses that dreadfull TI 3.2 kernel Jul 31 09:23:00 glad we have 3.8 Jul 31 09:24:03 glad we have tap water and electricity Jul 31 09:24:15 chocolate and beer Jul 31 09:24:15 and indoor plumbing Jul 31 09:24:20 bacon? Jul 31 09:24:39 mrpackethead: I had a nice stout last week that tasted like chocolate Jul 31 09:24:58 koen: must have been mranostays infamous chocolate beer Jul 31 09:25:07 koen: wrt l-y_3.8 check out how I've split config and patches in subdirs in meta-handheld. SRC_URI is barely minimal, just the logo code (which I'll convert in patch soon) Jul 31 09:25:18 ant_work: right Jul 31 09:25:35 ant_work: does l-y have snippets to e.g. enable v4l? Jul 31 09:27:24 koen: I can't find it in http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-kernel-cache/ Jul 31 09:27:53 but check http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-kernel-cache/commit/?id=3a47b21c9a66f73744cd0a8d5068d50ff7881d3b Jul 31 09:29:31 koen: OFC you can create your custom features Jul 31 09:50:19 Hi All, The forum seems down to me (not sure if you all have that issue), I am just trying to get started in learning embedded linux and wanted to know what is the best board / kit to get? Jul 31 09:51:05 code_fodder: google is down? Jul 31 09:51:28 No the Beagle forum (at least I cant load it) Jul 31 09:56:17 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/beagleboard _is_ google Jul 31 09:57:03 dm8tbr: ah, ok... I was looking at "http://beagleboard.org/Community/Forums" Jul 31 09:57:20 which points to exactly that Jul 31 09:57:40 Ok, its powered by google : ) ... can you access it? Jul 31 09:57:53 yes, google works just fine Jul 31 10:00:37 hmm... not for me : (( ... but still, my question is "I am just trying to get started in learning embedded linux and wanted to know what is the best board / kit to get?" thanks : ) Jul 31 10:04:30 didnt we have the very same question the last two days already? Jul 31 10:04:40 KotH: 'tis the season Jul 31 10:04:48 is it september already? Jul 31 10:05:01 KotH: the eternal one Jul 31 10:05:04 code_fodder: the BBB is certainly a good option and inexpensive at that Jul 31 10:05:15 kfoltman: that ended a while ago when AOL shut down NNTP Jul 31 10:05:27 *g* Jul 31 10:05:38 there is no best board for embedded linux, it all depends on what you want to learn/do :P Jul 31 10:05:42 * KotH must admit that he has not used nntp for ages Jul 31 10:05:52 * dm8tbr still uses it, seldomly Jul 31 10:05:57 nntp has been overrules by trolls, too Jul 31 10:06:01 *overruled Jul 31 10:14:06 what hasn't Jul 31 10:22:59 this channel has never been overruled by trolls Jul 31 10:25:30 yes, it's been founded by trolls Jul 31 10:25:40 lol....sorry was afk for a while, thanks for the answers and the local ...err...chat : ) Jul 31 10:26:05 local? Jul 31 10:26:11 we are chatting long distance here! Jul 31 10:29:57 hello, is anyone here? Jul 31 10:29:58 Everywhere is local these days. Jul 31 10:32:01 jamdogster: no, sorry we're closed, please come back during office hours, which is during a full moon 23:42 UTC to 23:59... Jul 31 10:36:56 I'm here but nobody else is Jul 31 10:37:00 forever alone Jul 31 10:37:17 or maybe I should open my office door Jul 31 10:39:31 So.... from reading the bbb fluff, I can purchase this board and it comes with linux and the tools to modify/compile/re-install it... is that right? Jul 31 10:41:30 you need to grab the toolchain but it looks like thats free Jul 31 10:42:47 ok, I have not done that before... which tool chain is the best to get? Jul 31 10:50:42 KotH: nah yesterday's topic was which is the best board to code BL, kernel and drivers from scratch Jul 31 11:02:49 which reminds me of http://xkcd.com/386/ Jul 31 11:31:52 hello, beagleboard black here, followed instructions on TI website to burn 4.2.2 android on an sdcard of class 10. checked boot flag fine. pressing s2 while plugging in mini usb doesn't seem to work. am I missing anything? Jul 31 11:35:26 are there issues known in using RCN's build_deb.sh on an amd64 box? it complains a whole lot here about libfakeroot-sysv.so not being able to preload Jul 31 11:35:32 ia32-libs is installed, of course Jul 31 11:36:33 bug in fakeroot? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fakeroot/+bug/1001129 Jul 31 11:38:31 MrKeuner, make sure the order is (1) press S2 (2) insert mini usb cable Jul 31 11:38:45 If you press S2 while the board is already powered, it's ignored Jul 31 11:49:24 Tartarus, I tried what you said. How long do you usually wait before releasing s2 after plugging in pwr? Jul 31 11:49:48 just a few seconds Jul 31 11:49:55 TI warns: If your NAND flash is not empty the system might not boot with MMC, in that case do the following with Serial Console / Terminal prompt in u-boot Jul 31 11:50:09 do you think this apply to me? Jul 31 11:50:24 No, but do you have the debug serial cable? Jul 31 11:50:34 Tartarus, no I do not. Jul 31 11:50:39 ok Jul 31 11:50:47 So, lets see Jul 31 11:50:59 First, you're sure you wrote the Android image to your SD card correctly Jul 31 11:51:21 Second, you have no power applied to the BBB (either the USB cable or the 5v wall plug) before you press and hold S2 Jul 31 11:51:32 Then apply power while holding S2 Jul 31 11:51:36 which can be a tad tricky Jul 31 11:51:42 I think so, there were no errors with mkmmc-android.sh also when I plug the sdcard in my laptop I get 4 filesystems Jul 31 11:51:55 ok Jul 31 11:52:00 second, check Jul 31 11:52:12 third check Jul 31 11:52:28 I tried third with that order several times Jul 31 11:53:00 reset switch makes a click. should I press harder? Jul 31 11:53:14 s2 I mean Jul 31 11:54:36 meh, grabbing fakeroot 1.19 from sid also does not fix it :( Jul 31 11:55:43 I used this page, Tartarus. Is it te correct one? http://downloads.ti.com/sitara_android/esd/TI_Android_DevKit/TI_Android_JB_4_2_2_DevKit_4_1_1/index_FDS.html Jul 31 11:56:14 burned this image: http://downloads.ti.com/sitara_android/esd/TI_Android_DevKit/TI_Android_JB_4_2_2_DevKit_4_1_1/exports/TI_Android_JB_4.2.2_DevKit_4.1.1_beagleboneblack.tar.gz Jul 31 11:56:22 Looks right, yes Jul 31 11:56:25 I've not personally used it Jul 31 11:57:08 And if you're sure s2 is depressed, it's good Jul 31 11:57:15 Does vanilla linux work for you? Jul 31 11:57:19 Or do you get other indicators the HW is ok? Jul 31 11:57:53 not pressing s2 does not boot, removing mini sdcard and not pressing anything boots angstrom fine Jul 31 11:58:51 when plugged in network cable, I see network lights on the port light up before the 4 led group kicks in when sdcard is plugged in Jul 31 11:59:23 serial console? Jul 31 11:59:28 pwr is on as long as i plug in 5v adapter to mini usb port Jul 31 11:59:38 KotH, I don't have serial cable Jul 31 11:59:42 get one Jul 31 12:00:08 Try using v5 instead of the mini USB cable for power Jul 31 12:00:18 Maybe it's getting under-powered by just the cable, for Android Jul 31 12:00:44 Tartarus, TI website also saif something like that I'll try another adapter Jul 31 12:01:07 I do not have an adapter that would fit in 5v plug Jul 31 12:01:22 but I'll buy both Jul 31 12:01:24 thank you Jul 31 12:42:54 morning Jul 31 12:45:11 moaning Jul 31 13:39:47 Is there a really simple way to get a script to run at startup? Not when a user logs in, but basically at the same time as the machine is available for login? Jul 31 13:40:36 Yes. Jul 31 13:40:40 I've tried cron @reboot, but that doesn't seem to do anything at all. I've tried to sort out systemd, but it seems a bit over my head, and init.d on a beaglebone doesn't seem to do anything Jul 31 13:42:00 Ah,. well, you just eliminated all of the options. Jul 31 13:42:09 I suggest working harder on systemd. Jul 31 13:42:50 haha I figured as much Jul 31 13:42:51 Or figure out why init.d is not working--did you make sure to actually push the script into a runlevel with update-rc.d? Jul 31 13:43:10 yep, I ran update-rc.d and can see the links in there Jul 31 13:43:16 @reboot in cron is a dirty hack and should be avoided. Jul 31 13:43:23 MikeB_: Weird. Jul 31 13:43:41 * agmlego is not familiar with the start sequencing on (I assume) Angstrom. Jul 31 13:44:00 does it matter if my script was a symlink? Jul 31 13:44:07 It might. Jul 31 13:44:13 Try it and see. Jul 31 13:44:38 agmlego: Yah, I wish I didn't have to run Angstrom, but unfortunately right now another piece of code seems to only run on it... so I'm damned either way Jul 31 13:45:06