**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 07 02:59:58 2013
Aug 07 03:10:41 <joel_> hehe, anyone ever hack on the amstrad e3 video phone? it still has mainline kernel support ;-)
Aug 07 03:10:50 <joel_> http://www.earth.li/~noodles/hardware-e3.html
Aug 07 03:11:56 <joel_> omap1 but cheaper than bbw :P with lcd and bit of nand/nor, although not a lot of ram
Aug 07 03:44:58 <mrpackethead> thats 18 bbb's built and imaged today
Aug 07 04:29:06 <ds2> Hmmm
Aug 07 04:29:19 <ds2> gcc attributes for mixing softfp and hardfp in the same program
Aug 07 04:29:21 <ds2> ;)
Aug 07 04:36:12 * mranostay trolls hard
Aug 07 04:56:19 <m_billybob> lol
Aug 07 04:56:26 <m_billybob> mixed hard / soft float eh
Aug 07 04:56:34 <m_billybob> that one has me scratching me head
Aug 07 04:57:23 <m_billybob> when i first read tat post on the groups i thought the guy was asking how could he compile hard/soft float on a cross compile system so i answered accordingly in that context
Aug 07 04:57:49 <m_billybob> then i reread his post and felt silly.
Aug 07 05:12:25 <av500> nothing that a little bit of sed cant fix
Aug 07 05:27:39 <ds2> you can mix them
Aug 07 05:27:43 <ds2> just got to mix them just right
Aug 07 05:45:04 <qt-x> hello
Aug 07 05:46:00 <m_billybob> ds2 i guess I am asking "why"
Aug 07 05:46:16 <m_billybob> why would you want to use softfloat if you have hardfloat already
Aug 07 05:52:57 <ds2> different libraries
Aug 07 05:53:05 <ds2> binary only crap
Aug 07 05:53:45 <m_billybob> ok i assume this has to do with abi, whcih i am stil learning about
Aug 07 05:58:58 <jsantell> hey guys -- was wondering if anyone has had any experience with webgl performance on any beagle?
Aug 07 06:00:52 <m_billybob> jsantell i dont, nor have i heard of anyone testing it
Aug 07 06:01:12 <m_billybob> doesnt mean that no one has just saying
Aug 07 06:21:16 <av500> damn, no more blink tag
Aug 07 06:24:01 <kblin> av500: easy to emulate with javascript
Aug 07 06:25:30 <suihkulokki> blink.js
Aug 07 06:26:19 <suihkulokki> you poll the node.js server for ajax messages to tell you when to blink the text on and off
Aug 07 06:34:02 <av500> kblin: that is one of the "implement X in js" that I would approve
Aug 07 06:34:12 <av500> kblin: did somebody do samba in js yet?
Aug 07 06:34:57 <kblin> av500: no, but we did have a javascript engine in samba at some point
Aug 07 06:35:03 <kblin> before JS was the cool kid
Aug 07 06:35:15 <kblin> we've switched to python for scripting a while ago
Aug 07 06:35:35 <av500> not lua like the really cool people?
Aug 07 06:39:55 <m_billybob> ug, lua
Aug 07 06:46:07 <m_billybob> RypRap, for what its worth, those netboot instructions will only work for debian ARCH and a custom busybox build i guess. A person on the googlegroups says it wont work for Angstrom, ubuntu or fedora. Still not sure exactly whats going on, but it seems it could be something they have in common.
Aug 07 06:49:35 <m_billybob> three possible culprits I can think of are NFS modules not being compiled into the kernal statically, udev, or perhaps those three distros do not rely on /etc/network/interfaces from which to get ip addresses from ( after boot )
Aug 07 07:02:48 <bbbnewb> hi all
Aug 07 07:03:13 <m_billybob> hi
Aug 07 07:04:59 <RypRap> morning
Aug 07 07:05:23 <RypRap> ive seen that hdmi is not really an ok thing on BBB
Aug 07 07:05:33 <RypRap> from what i read on web
Aug 07 07:06:05 <m_billybob> never used it.
Aug 07 07:06:17 <m_billybob> dont need it or even want it
Aug 07 07:07:42 <LetoThe2nd> how long is the angstrin emmcs-flasher on the BBB supposed to take? (roughly)
Aug 07 07:07:44 <RypRap> what do u use BBB for, atm?
Aug 07 07:07:57 <RypRap> one hour maybe
Aug 07 07:08:01 <x56> LetoThe2nd 45 mins
Aug 07 07:08:05 <philenotfound> LetoThe2nd: a little eternity
Aug 07 07:08:06 <x56> for me anyway
Aug 07 07:08:55 <LetoThe2nd> philenotfound: to put that in relation, how long a big eternity than? in lightyears?
Aug 07 07:08:58 <LetoThe2nd> ;)
Aug 07 07:11:19 <RypRap> lightyear is one year long ;)
Aug 07 07:11:50 <bbbnewb> can BBB work with any hdmi monitor?
Aug 07 07:12:13 <RypRap> dont know if it works with any..
Aug 07 07:12:23 <m_billybob> many use the hdmi fine.
Aug 07 07:12:44 <bbbnewb> is there a list of supported monitors
Aug 07 07:12:49 <maxinux> basically any, but some may need boot tweaks
Aug 07 07:12:55 <m_billybob> but its an embedded system if yo uask me hdmi is misplaced on the bbb, but thats my own opinion
Aug 07 07:15:59 <av500> m_billybob: it was a cape for the BBW
Aug 07 07:16:07 <av500> and not so expensive to put on the BBB
Aug 07 07:16:32 <LetoThe2nd> yeah. its there for those who want it, and everybody else just mux your pins differently.
Aug 07 07:19:03 <woglinde> gm
Aug 07 07:20:46 <KotH> grüe^WJIHAD!
Aug 07 07:48:21 <Vaizki> m_billybob: I like the HDMI on the BBB because it drives up volume which drives down cost in the end
Aug 07 07:48:43 <Vaizki> but I have never used it either and probably never will
Aug 07 08:03:00 <m_billybob> sounds reasonable
Aug 07 08:03:09 <m_billybob> bed time for me though you all take it easy
Aug 07 08:03:17 <KotH> sleep well
Aug 07 08:03:26 <KotH> and dont let mranostay bite you in your sleep
Aug 07 08:03:31 <m_billybob> have a good one :)
Aug 07 08:03:45 <m_billybob> no i have anti mranostay stray ;)
Aug 07 08:03:54 <m_billybob> its called an ARM procesor
Aug 07 08:24:45 <suihkulokki> what would be a simple and best-practices using BSP layer one could use as an example?
Aug 07 08:35:30 <LetoThe2nd> is there a metapackage for kernel development in angstrom?
Aug 07 08:35:57 <LetoThe2nd> or is the kernel-dev package enough?
Aug 07 08:42:52 <jsantell> m_billybob: just saw your response, thank you! :)
Aug 07 08:45:10 <das> derp ... so we newbies discussed with an engineer that started working in france in 1992. His salary was exactly the same as ours today ...
Aug 07 08:45:21 <das> inflation ? nah nver heard of it
Aug 07 08:46:28 <Vaizki> so his salary in 1992 was the same as your salary today?
Aug 07 08:47:06 <das> yup, this is so ridiculous
Aug 07 08:47:27 <Vaizki> either he was paid well or you work for peanuts
Aug 07 08:47:32 <das> services companies drove the prices down
Aug 07 08:47:38 <Vaizki> then again you are not in france I assume
Aug 07 08:47:48 <das> I am in france
Aug 07 08:47:53 <Vaizki> oh ok
Aug 07 08:48:05 <Vaizki> so is he making more money now? :)
Aug 07 08:48:15 <Vaizki> after 20 years
Aug 07 08:48:16 <das> yah ofc, don't know how much though
Aug 07 08:49:12 <das> gotta become independant as soon as I can
Aug 07 08:49:40 <rob_w> any example about the timer inputs on the BBB ?
Aug 07 08:49:56 <woglinde> das you forgot something
Aug 07 08:50:18 <das> woglinde: what would that be ?
Aug 07 08:50:18 <woglinde> in 1992 we had no euro
Aug 07 08:50:29 <das> that's true
Aug 07 08:50:30 <woglinde> and not the doubled prices
Aug 07 08:51:02 <das> but I did hear that salaries in germany are double those we got here
Aug 07 08:51:02 <woglinde> so you could buy a lot more with the money
Aug 07 08:51:18 <woglinde> das sure and we have more holidays
Aug 07 08:51:46 <das> I think about half the engineers work through a service company, it drives the salaries down by quite a mrgin
Aug 07 08:52:12 <woglinde> das we have service companies too
Aug 07 08:52:58 <das> what's the rough percentage of engineers employed by them ?
Aug 07 08:52:58 <woglinde> we have one project which has sub sub sub companies
Aug 07 08:53:15 <woglinde> and I wonder what the engineer gets in the end
Aug 07 08:53:43 <LetoThe2nd> isn't the kernel-header package supposed to set up a symlink in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ?
Aug 07 08:55:00 <koen> das: you know how french salaries worked in the pre-euro times, right?
Aug 07 08:55:35 <das> koen: nope ? when we switched to the euro I was still in middle school :D
Aug 07 08:55:45 <woglinde> LetoThe2nd on debian and ubuntu yes
Aug 07 08:55:54 <koen> das: union demands pay raise
Aug 07 08:56:11 <koen> das: employers/government refuses
Aug 07 08:56:15 <koen> das: big strike
Aug 07 08:56:22 <koen> das: people get pay raise
Aug 07 08:56:27 <das> koen: how does this apply to engineers ?
Aug 07 08:56:36 <das> it's only for public service
Aug 07 08:56:38 <koen> das: currency devalues
Aug 07 08:56:45 <das> inflation is good
Aug 07 08:56:46 <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: meh.
Aug 07 08:57:15 <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: angstrom is "set the link yourself or change your makefiles", right?
Aug 07 08:57:16 <koen> das: cost of living goes up, so engineers get a (smaller) raise as well in the end
Aug 07 08:57:18 <nil_> Can i use Beagle Bone Black with LogiBone(FPGA) board?
Aug 07 08:57:45 <nil_> Or is there any  design and refrence code for GPMC for BBB?
Aug 07 08:57:46 <das> what I see today is that my effective salary is half that of engineers 20 years ago
Aug 07 08:57:49 <koen> LetoThe2nd: kernel-dev should have the symlink
Aug 07 08:58:10 <koen> das: engineers always get screwed
Aug 07 08:58:32 <LetoThe2nd> koen: doesn't look like it. on the other hand, kernel-dev did not pull in kernel-headers, i had to manually install it afterwards.
Aug 07 08:58:32 <woglinde> hm lol what ford used as keyword to protect some canbus commands
Aug 07 08:58:55 <koen> LetoThe2nd: hmm, I thought kernel-dev was the superset
Aug 07 08:59:10 <flufmnstr> can i tap the audio data stream in the pin header with hdmi enabled? or is it interwoven into the video data?
Aug 07 08:59:23 <koen> both
Aug 07 08:59:36 <koen> you can tap the i2s stream into the nxp and the hdmi stream
Aug 07 08:59:38 <LetoThe2nd> koen: would have also guessd so. it complained about some unmet dependency called kernel-base-dev
Aug 07 09:00:15 <woglinde> LetoThe2nd why you need to compile kernel modules dircetly on hw?
Aug 07 09:01:10 <flufmnstr> koen any idea what pin i should be looking for?
Aug 07 09:01:21 <Vaizki> hmm how do I tap into the i2s audio?
Aug 07 09:03:09 <LetoThe2nd> BBIAB
Aug 07 09:03:24 <dnil> koen, I realized that this patch should probably be against the kernel git repo and not meta-beaglebone: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/FKKFCnWmgi4/Qs_t4VOEIioJ
Aug 07 09:04:08 <mru> woglinde: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/167
Aug 07 09:04:10 <dnil> koen, Should I resubmit against the kernel repo? What do you think about the change?
Aug 07 09:04:19 <woglinde> mru canbus
Aug 07 09:04:41 <mru> what of it?
Aug 07 09:04:47 <woglinde> ah compile on target
Aug 07 09:04:54 <woglinde> soRRY
Aug 07 09:04:55 <koen> dnil: right
Aug 07 09:05:15 <koen> dnil: you have a stray whitespace change, but the filesextrapath change looks ok
Aug 07 09:06:15 <dnil> koen, Oh, missed the whilespace... I can send you a patch against kernel the kernel repo then.
Aug 07 09:11:48 <Vaizki> koen: so SPI1 on the BBB transports i2s? and I could pull it off the P9 connector?
Aug 07 09:14:46 <koen> sort of
Aug 07 09:14:51 <koen> spi1 is muxed with mcasp
Aug 07 09:14:56 <koen> and mcasp does i2s
Aug 07 09:16:51 <dnil> Vaizki, you can take a look at the audio cape as a reference. Beware though that the current HDMI patches in 3.8 "breaks" McASP for I2S audio, search the mailing list for a temporary fix from myself on this issue. TI is reworking HDMI to fix it "properly"
Aug 07 09:21:00 <cverster> what are the differences between /dev/ttyS and /dev/ttyO ports? is one input and one output?
Aug 07 09:21:37 <KotH> different driver
Aug 07 09:22:12 <cverster> if I want to use a serial port, do I use ttyS or ttyO
Aug 07 09:24:35 <woglinde> ttyO
Aug 07 09:24:59 <cverster> thanks! and I initialize say ttyO2 for both input and output
Aug 07 09:25:04 <cverster> ?
Aug 07 09:25:22 <woglinde> ?
Aug 07 09:25:39 <woglinde> use python-serial is the easiest
Aug 07 09:25:42 <Vaizki> ttyO is OMAP serial driver
Aug 07 09:26:05 <cverster> I can't use python serial, have to use C
Aug 07 09:26:13 <KotH> cverster: serial ports are always bidirectional
Aug 07 09:26:27 <Vaizki> yea you can just open the device once and read() + write() ..
Aug 07 09:26:37 <KotH> cverster: get yourself a copy of "advanced programming in the unix environment", you'll need it
Aug 07 09:26:37 <Vaizki> select() and ioctl() maybe too ;)
Aug 07 09:26:47 <cverster> thanks KotH
Aug 07 09:27:19 <Vaizki> dnil: ok thanks.. it's not a current project and I might just use a USB audio in the end anyway but good to know it can be done and is being improved
Aug 07 09:27:20 <woglinde> using serial ports in c is pain in the ass
Aug 07 09:27:26 <cverster> Vaizki, are those all C commands? I am familiar with read and write, just trying to figure out why my code isnt wiritng or reading ;)
Aug 07 09:27:30 <Vaizki> :O
Aug 07 09:27:34 <woglinde> especially reading
Aug 07 09:27:35 <Vaizki> eject! eject!
Aug 07 09:27:45 <woglinde> or is there a sane lib now?
Aug 07 09:28:01 <KotH> woglinde: why is it a pain?
Aug 07 09:28:13 <woglinde> koth chrackter handling
Aug 07 09:28:21 <KotH> woglinde: ah.. cooked vs raw?
Aug 07 09:28:39 <woglinde> no reading and parsing and such stuff
Aug 07 09:28:43 <Vaizki> cverster: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6947413/how-to-open-read-and-write-from-serial-port-in-c
Aug 07 09:29:03 <KotH> woglinde: well, depends on your protocol :)
Aug 07 09:29:11 <woglinde> koth no
Aug 07 09:29:20 <KotH> woglinde: if you do a text based proto, then you should use flex+yacc
Aug 07 09:29:26 <cverster> Vaizki: thanks
Aug 07 09:29:26 <woglinde> its just strings in c
Aug 07 09:29:30 <Vaizki> so how is serial parsing any different from TCP parsing
Aug 07 09:29:33 <KotH> woglinde: binary protos are easy to parse
Aug 07 09:29:44 <KotH> woglinde: just frameing and stuffing is a bit tedious
Aug 07 09:29:49 <woglinde> cverster use a terminal programm first to check
Aug 07 09:30:01 <dnil> Vaizki, I did a similar design but with an amplifier integrated; http://www.dnil.se/news/beagleboneaudioamplifier-1
Aug 07 09:30:19 <woglinde> koth hm yes but python-serial is a lot more fun
Aug 07 09:30:26 <woglinde> and faster to achieve results
Aug 07 09:30:43 <ynezz> parsing binary protocols in python is fun?
Aug 07 09:30:48 <KotH> woglinde: sure
Aug 07 09:31:01 <KotH> woglinde: high level languages are always quicker to write something
Aug 07 09:31:08 <woglinde> ynezz hm no, at commands
Aug 07 09:31:18 <KotH> woglinde: but please do not mention pythong. i'm a perl guy, you know? ;-)
Aug 07 09:31:27 <KotH> -g
Aug 07 09:31:35 <av500> das: working as a german for a french company I can tell you that the salary level is about equal
Aug 07 09:31:45 <av500> same for the stuff "on top"
Aug 07 09:32:00 <das> av500: you're directly employed
Aug 07 09:32:08 <Vaizki> dnil: so that's just a normal i2c+spi dac/adc?
Aug 07 09:32:12 <Vaizki> + amp
Aug 07 09:32:30 <woglinde> das do the same
Aug 07 09:32:35 <av500> das: yes
Aug 07 09:32:49 <das> it's not as easy as you might think right out of school
Aug 07 09:33:22 <KotH> nope, but it is easy to get a rais by switching jobs
Aug 07 09:33:39 <KotH> got +30% from my first to my second job, not even a year after graduation
Aug 07 09:33:48 <das> :o
Aug 07 09:33:56 <woglinde> koth yes in .ch
Aug 07 09:33:58 <woglinde> *g*
Aug 07 09:34:05 <ynezz> 20% paid in chocolate
Aug 07 09:34:14 <ynezz> rest in the gold
Aug 07 09:34:14 <KotH> yeah, everyone is richer in .ch :)
Aug 07 09:34:29 <KotH> woglinde: actually, these days i'm quite underpaid
Aug 07 09:34:35 <KotH> woglinde: by about 20-40%
Aug 07 09:34:43 <Vaizki> I haven't really changed jobs, ever
Aug 07 09:35:22 <Vaizki> no problems in getting raises when you work for yourself ;)
Aug 07 09:35:46 <kfoltman> ynezz: that's the optimistic case
Aug 07 09:35:56 <kfoltman> ynezz: pessimistic case is when you get paid in cheese and 'timepieces'
Aug 07 09:35:56 <das> you need a little bit of social networking to be a freelance though
Aug 07 09:36:08 <woglinde> das hm not really
Aug 07 09:36:38 <woglinde> das do you not have linked or xing in .fr?
Aug 07 09:36:43 <woglinde> linked in
Aug 07 09:36:52 <Vaizki> if you are capable and not overpriced, often you can freelance for a single client a couple of years and get good new contacts
Aug 07 09:37:04 <cde> hi Vaizki
Aug 07 09:37:10 <av500> Vaizki: just dont let the IRS in germany find out
Aug 07 09:37:12 <Vaizki> hi hello morjens
Aug 07 09:37:12 <das> not sure how you get access to job ads as a freelance, most companies here have shortlisted services companies
Aug 07 09:37:17 <das> woglinde: yah ofc
Aug 07 09:37:18 <av500> single client = employed
Aug 07 09:37:24 <woglinde> av500 right
Aug 07 09:37:42 <Vaizki> and what is the difference?
Aug 07 09:37:48 <woglinde> taxes
Aug 07 09:37:54 <av500> you pay pension etc
Aug 07 09:37:56 <woglinde> for both company and freelances
Aug 07 09:38:03 <ynezz> nothing, just invoice some friends from time to time :p
Aug 07 09:38:07 <das> I know EADS and Thales do so for instance
Aug 07 09:38:29 <Vaizki> well here in Finland it's the same taxes whether you work for Nokia or if you have your own company of 1 person which Nokia contracts and then you pay yourself salary
Aug 07 09:38:34 <av500> you are free to do so
Aug 07 09:38:43 <av500> just you pay taxes etc as if you were employed
Aug 07 09:38:48 <woglinde> das there are plenty of offers for freelancing on this social networks
Aug 07 09:38:49 <av500> if you earn enough you might not care
Aug 07 09:39:02 <av500> Vaizki: yes, some countries have sane rules
Aug 07 09:39:05 <Vaizki> av500: well at least here there's not really a choice :)
Aug 07 09:39:23 <woglinde> so pizza time
Aug 07 09:39:25 <woglinde> till later
Aug 07 09:39:37 <Vaizki> ok you can take out money as dividends instead of salary but dividends get taxed the same as income very quickly
Aug 07 09:39:42 <ynezz> woglinde: hm, really?
Aug 07 09:40:05 <ynezz> is it possible to take a look at the offers without registration?
Aug 07 09:40:24 <Vaizki> why would you NOT register on LinkedIn if you are a freelancer
Aug 07 09:40:27 <Vaizki> that's just mad
Aug 07 09:40:40 <av500> maybe if you dont want all the spam
Aug 07 09:40:46 <av500> like on every other (social) network
Aug 07 09:40:47 <Vaizki> it's like not having a phone and waiting by the fax machine for job offers to roll in
Aug 07 09:40:48 <ynezz> I don't have a facebook either
Aug 07 09:41:00 <av500> i have a little black book
Aug 07 09:41:06 <kfoltman> with your poems in?
Aug 07 09:41:14 <av500> with offers you cannot refuse
Aug 07 09:41:19 <Vaizki> umm yea well facebook and linkedin have almost nothing in common
Aug 07 09:41:27 <av500> not yet
Aug 07 09:41:37 <av500> linkedin is working hard to change that
Aug 07 09:42:09 <Vaizki> and if you are in germany I guess Xing is the thing to do
Aug 07 09:42:13 <av500> nah
Aug 07 09:42:20 <av500> well
Aug 07 09:42:22 <av500> yes
Aug 07 09:42:31 <av500> Im there, they have not interacted with me once
Aug 07 09:42:38 <av500> does it still exist?
Aug 07 09:42:47 <Vaizki> I dunno. I'm not there.
Aug 07 09:42:54 <av500> its gonna be linkedin for everybody
Aug 07 09:42:58 <Vaizki> I employ myself and no plans on changing that.
Aug 07 09:43:05 <mru> linkedin is getting cat pictures?
Aug 07 09:43:08 <av500> until googlePro starts
Aug 07 09:43:17 <dm8tbr> I wonder what's with linkedxing in general. so many people complaining about recruiters
Aug 07 09:43:25 <KotH> av500: .ch has the same rule for singe customer "employees"... but with a twist: if they decide that you are enemployee rather than a freelancer, they force your customer to pay part of your pension because he's your employer :)
Aug 07 09:43:34 <av500> sure
Aug 07 09:43:38 <av500> i guess same here
Aug 07 09:43:54 * dm8tbr doesn't get any messages from those, maybe something wrong with my profile (or is it right ;)  )
Aug 07 09:44:00 <av500> dm8tbr: same here
Aug 07 09:44:03 <av500> it must be shit
Aug 07 09:44:05 <av500> :)
Aug 07 09:44:14 <dm8tbr> hehe
Aug 07 09:44:19 <av500> I should move some g+ content to linkedin
Aug 07 09:44:30 <dm8tbr> simple: we suck!
Aug 07 09:44:32 <Vaizki> KotH: that's just crazy
Aug 07 09:44:37 <av500> no
Aug 07 09:44:38 <KotH> Vaizki: why?
Aug 07 09:44:41 <av500> its sane
Aug 07 09:44:51 <ynezz> I wonder how they're going to force .nz company to pay my pension in .cz
Aug 07 09:44:57 <ynezz> :)
Aug 07 09:45:01 <Vaizki> maybe your concept of "freelancer" is different
Aug 07 09:45:05 <KotH> Vaizki: it makes starting up as a freelancer harder, but it actually protects you
Aug 07 09:45:09 <av500> ynezz: you work for mrpackethead?
Aug 07 09:45:19 <mrpackethead> huh
Aug 07 09:45:24 <mrpackethead> who made my computer bing.
Aug 07 09:45:24 <av500> :)
Aug 07 09:45:29 <av500> uhm
Aug 07 09:45:31 * av500 hides
Aug 07 09:45:33 <mru> mrpackethead: bing
Aug 07 09:45:45 <KotH> Vaizki: if you work 10y as a freelancer with just a single customer, you get more money from your customer if he pays your pension ;)
Aug 07 09:45:46 <Vaizki> KotH: this kind of freelancer doesn't have their own company or anything then?
Aug 07 09:46:16 <av500> if you have your company, you are employed there
Aug 07 09:46:22 <mru> freelancer sounds so cheap
Aug 07 09:46:23 <av500> you also pay pension
Aug 07 09:46:25 <KotH> Vaizki: the idea is to prevent companies from "outsourcing" people just to hire them as freelancers for better conditions
Aug 07 09:46:26 <Vaizki> right
Aug 07 09:46:26 <mru> I prefer the term consultant
Aug 07 09:46:48 <panto> mru, +1
Aug 07 09:47:00 <dm8tbr> insultant?
Aug 07 09:47:00 <mru> or sometimes insultant
Aug 07 09:47:03 <Vaizki> yea well that kind of freelancer without any form of legal entity (company or sole proprietorship) doesn't really exist here
Aug 07 09:47:05 <mru> dm8tbr: :)
Aug 07 09:47:06 <dm8tbr> *clap*
Aug 07 09:47:14 <ynezz> I'll insult^kang your codes
Aug 07 09:47:15 <Vaizki> so yes you always pay pensions and taxes and insurance etc
Aug 07 09:47:24 <av500> as I said
Aug 07 09:47:30 <av500> some countries are sane in some regards
Aug 07 09:47:39 <Vaizki> well our tax rate is not sane
Aug 07 09:47:46 <mru> Vaizki: which is your country?
Aug 07 09:47:46 <KotH> Vaizki: same here. but the amount you pay differs if it's your own company or you are hired by a bigger one
Aug 07 09:47:49 <Vaizki> Finland
Aug 07 09:47:50 <zump> if i insert an an sd card into beagle bone, hold boot button , do i have to wait for it to flash?!
Aug 07 09:47:56 <av500> no
Aug 07 09:48:04 <cde> hi av500
Aug 07 09:48:05 <av500> but hold the boot button at poweron
Aug 07 09:48:09 <av500> not at reset
Aug 07 09:48:14 <av500> hi ced
Aug 07 09:48:14 <mru> Vaizki: is finland similar to sweden?
Aug 07 09:48:19 <cde> :)
Aug 07 09:48:26 <Vaizki> you only have to keep it pressed for a few seconds after power on. reset is not enough.
Aug 07 09:48:27 <av500> (:
Aug 07 09:48:43 <cde> you turn my head around
Aug 07 09:48:45 <Vaizki> mru, I've no idea but most probably yes
Aug 07 09:48:59 <av500> tax rates is not everything
Aug 07 09:49:03 <KotH> mru: it's cold, alcohol is expensive. so i'd say yes. they just speak a language that is weirder than anything else i know
Aug 07 09:49:17 <av500> KotH: people from hungary might disagree
Aug 07 09:49:27 <mru> sweden is built on the concept that everybody works for a large company (or the government)
Aug 07 09:49:28 <KotH> av500: i dont know hungarian :)
Aug 07 09:49:32 <zump> Vaizki: i pressed the BOOT button, inserted usb cable, and lights are constantly flashing
Aug 07 09:49:48 <Vaizki> with income tax, mandatory insurance, pensions payments etc it's about 70% that disappears off the top from what my company pulls in vs. what goes in my pocket
Aug 07 09:49:54 <mrpackethead> I am technically employeed by the company that i dont' own
Aug 07 09:50:01 <Vaizki> zump: it's probably flashing the eMMC then
Aug 07 09:50:07 <mrpackethead> teh company is owned by a holding company that is owned by my fmaily trust
Aug 07 09:50:12 <av500> mrpackethead: your offshore estate owns it of course
Aug 07 09:50:13 <mrpackethead> i'm worth about $10
Aug 07 09:50:33 <Vaizki> billion?
Aug 07 09:50:33 <av500> mrpackethead: I'd say you go up to $11
Aug 07 09:50:33 <mru> mrpackethead: isn't that how it's always done?
Aug 07 09:50:59 <mrpackethead> ask teh beanies
Aug 07 09:51:16 <mrpackethead> i used to be a contractor to my own company
Aug 07 09:51:22 <mrpackethead> but now i'm just an employee
Aug 07 09:51:34 <av500> mrpackethead: do you treat yourself badly at least?
Aug 07 09:51:35 <mrpackethead> so the company pays superannuation
Aug 07 09:51:44 <mrpackethead> the boss is a dumb-arse
Aug 07 09:51:47 <mrpackethead> ultra demanding
Aug 07 09:51:49 <mrpackethead> rude
Aug 07 09:51:56 <mrpackethead> expects everything yesterday
Aug 07 09:52:05 <mru> I've heard of a trick where you put your money in an offshore trust that then lends it to you
Aug 07 09:52:06 <ogra_> sue him !
Aug 07 09:52:12 <mru> so on paper all you've got is a growing debt
Aug 07 09:52:58 <av500> I cannot write down personal debt
Aug 07 09:53:12 <av500> or write off
Aug 07 09:53:19 <mru> no, but without income you don't pay tax
Aug 07 09:53:50 <mrpackethead> in NZ, we reduced our debt between ourselves personally and the trust by gifting
Aug 07 09:54:01 <mrpackethead> we cold gift $54,000 a year
Aug 07 09:54:10 <av500> mrpackethead: is there a line?
Aug 07 09:54:42 <mrpackethead> could gift
Aug 07 09:54:54 <mrpackethead> yes, past 54k, per year ( 27k each )
Aug 07 09:55:01 <mrpackethead> then you were subject to "gift duty"
Aug 07 09:55:04 <mru> 26 each, no?
Aug 07 09:55:10 <mrpackethead> yeah, thats how it worked
Aug 07 09:55:16 <KotH> mru: yeah.. lots of people in .ch do that when
Aug 07 09:55:28 <mrpackethead> now the trust has all teh assests
Aug 07 09:55:36 <mrpackethead> i just own a few clothes
Aug 07 09:55:41 <mrpackethead> a set of cheap screwdrivers
Aug 07 09:55:42 <KotH> mru: hired by an off shore company, who contracts them to other companies
Aug 07 09:55:42 <mru> hope it's trustworthy
Aug 07 09:55:51 <mrpackethead> and a beaglebone
Aug 07 09:56:05 <mrpackethead> its been set up for a long time
Aug 07 09:56:08 <mrpackethead> been done properly
Aug 07 09:56:14 <mrpackethead> and we dont' do anything dogegy
Aug 07 09:56:17 <KotH> mru: everything you use in your day to day life is lend you by said offshore company and you get very little direct salary
Aug 07 09:56:26 <mrpackethead> it dos'nt provide us any tax benefit
Aug 07 09:56:32 <KotH> mru: but it's only worth the effort from about 200kchf/y up
Aug 07 09:56:41 <mrpackethead> i pay tax on the salary that the company gives me
Aug 07 09:56:43 <zump> can BBB boot from SD without flashing? how?!
Aug 07 09:56:50 <av500> sure
Aug 07 09:56:53 <av500> remove the flash script
Aug 07 09:56:56 <av500> emmc.sh
Aug 07 09:57:06 <zump> where is that
Aug 07 09:57:06 <av500> or remove the EMMC
Aug 07 09:57:09 <av500> on the card
Aug 07 09:57:09 <mrpackethead> zump: just turn it upside down.
Aug 07 09:57:13 <av500> in the root partition
Aug 07 09:57:17 <mrpackethead> and give it a little tap
Aug 07 09:57:33 <zump> is it too late if the device has already started flashing?
Aug 07 09:57:39 <mrpackethead> the emmc.sh file will fall out
Aug 07 09:57:51 <av500> zump: well
Aug 07 09:58:14 <mrpackethead> anyone here old enough to remember token ring?
Aug 07 09:58:24 <av500> aint thata movie shot in NZ?
Aug 07 09:58:25 <nil_> Can i use Beagle Bone Black with LogiBone(FPGA) board?
Aug 07 09:58:48 <mrpackethead> av500: that was tolkeins rings
Aug 07 09:58:52 <av500> ah
Aug 07 09:59:07 <av500> knew it sounded familiar
Aug 07 09:59:09 <koen> zump: just write http://downloads.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beaglebone/Angstrom-Cloud9-IDE-GNOME-eglibc-ipk-v2012.12-beaglebone-2013.07.31.img.xz to a uSD card
Aug 07 09:59:13 <mrpackethead> we used to get the new kids into the lab, ask the to unplug the cable..
Aug 07 09:59:24 <mrpackethead> and then say. "oh shit, did you see where the token went"
Aug 07 09:59:28 <mrpackethead> that was live
Aug 07 09:59:38 <zump> koen: i flashed ubuntu. i inserted, held down the boot button... but have no idea if its flashing.
Aug 07 09:59:45 <av500> I always keep a spare token in my desk drawer
Aug 07 09:59:51 * XorA has never seen a token ring
Aug 07 09:59:56 <mrpackethead> cheap joke on the new kid, if they were stupid enough to look under the floor tiles.
Aug 07 10:00:47 <mrpackethead> zump, you can keep reflashing your bbb, as many times as you like
Aug 07 10:00:57 <mrpackethead> you really cna't break it
Aug 07 10:01:26 <mrpackethead> wheres the chocolate troll
Aug 07 10:01:36 * _troll_ waves
Aug 07 10:01:47 <KotH> eating chocolate, where else would i be?
Aug 07 10:02:50 <nil_> Any Ref Design And Code for BBB GPMC for FPGA
Aug 07 10:02:56 <mru> someone got the emmc into a weird state, possibly by pulling power while it was writing
Aug 07 10:03:44 <av500> nil_: asked the people that make/sell the logibone?
Aug 07 10:03:44 <KotH> nil_: nil
Aug 07 10:04:03 <nil_> ok
Aug 07 10:04:08 <nil_> thank you
Aug 07 10:04:16 <av500> http://valentfx.com/prj/fpga-dev/19-logi-bone-cape
Aug 07 10:04:18 <av500> this one?
Aug 07 10:04:49 <nil_> any other ref design or code for FPGA GPMC
Aug 07 10:05:33 <av500> I would have to google for it
Aug 07 10:05:47 <av500> is this a school project?
Aug 07 10:06:00 <nil_> no
Aug 07 10:06:15 <nil_> Hobbiest Project
Aug 07 10:06:19 <av500> ah
Aug 07 10:06:24 <av500> Hobbit project
Aug 07 10:06:38 <KotH> mrpackethead: i guess this is your job now :)
Aug 07 10:06:43 <nil_> sorry for spells
Aug 07 10:06:50 <av500> and btw, mrpackethead: bing
Aug 07 10:07:02 <nil_> is the same krnal work on BB and BBB?
Aug 07 10:07:02 <mrpackethead> what?
Aug 07 10:07:03 <av500> nil_: cast your spells carefully
Aug 07 10:07:09 <av500> nil_: yes
Aug 07 10:07:10 <nil_> ok
Aug 07 10:07:24 <mrpackethead> nil; logibone is just a myth
Aug 07 10:07:33 <mrpackethead> they coud'nt organise themselves out of a paperbag
Aug 07 10:07:51 <nil_> ohh
Aug 07 10:07:54 <av500> hobbits casting spells at mythical bones
Aug 07 10:08:00 <mrpackethead> nil_: however there is a real project
Aug 07 10:08:05 <av500> who said EE was boring
Aug 07 10:08:43 <mru> av500: spell your casts too
Aug 07 10:09:06 <mru> in soviet russia, spell casts you
Aug 07 10:10:35 <KotH> av500: EE kann spannend sein, vorallem ab 10kV :-)
Aug 07 10:10:42 <mru> :)
Aug 07 10:13:47 <Vaizki> ok stupid question.. if I wanted to try out HDMI, do I have to run X to get a console? or is there a fbdev type console thingy possible?
Aug 07 10:13:52 <woglinde> lumdidun
Aug 07 10:14:25 <KotH> londinium?
Aug 07 10:14:26 <av500> Vaizki: I think there is no fbdev
Aug 07 10:14:52 <woglinde> vaiziki you need mir
Aug 07 10:15:20 <Vaizki> I definitely do not need anything from Ubuntu
Aug 07 10:15:37 <KotH> Vaizki: you dont need peace?
Aug 07 10:15:46 <Vaizki> I just want virtual terminals like with x86 VGA fbdev
Aug 07 10:15:58 <Vaizki> KotH: not the russian kind with tanks and shit
Aug 07 10:17:33 * panto wants to kick some TI people 
Aug 07 10:17:35 <mru> I demand peace, I'll go to war for it if necessary
Aug 07 10:17:41 <panto> anyone around?
Aug 07 10:17:53 <av500> mir also means "world"
Aug 07 10:18:10 <av500> which makes me "peaceful ruler" or "world ruler" :)
Aug 07 10:18:17 <mru> the world is in pieces
Aug 07 10:18:28 <av500> i dont rule that out
Aug 07 10:18:45 <av500> panto: no, but I know where they live
Aug 07 10:19:00 <panto> bah
Aug 07 10:19:05 <woglinde> panto gm
Aug 07 10:19:31 <KotH> good morning panto
Aug 07 10:19:41 <panto> hi woglinde, KotH
Aug 07 10:20:08 <woglinde> Vaizki hm than uses userspaces fbdev
Aug 07 10:20:11 <woglinde> args
Aug 07 10:20:13 <woglinde> use this
Aug 07 10:20:57 <nil_> Thank you for help, I googled but did not get anything related to BBB-->GPMC -->FPGA.
Aug 07 10:21:06 <KotH> nil_: what's your prob?
Aug 07 10:21:36 <KotH> nil_: it shouldnt be hard to come up with a simple VHDL code that interfaces with the GPMC
Aug 07 10:21:47 <nil_> I want to Transfer bulk data from FPGA to BBB .
Aug 07 10:21:53 <KotH> so?
Aug 07 10:22:00 <woglinde> thats common not?
Aug 07 10:22:01 <nil_> I ahve no idea about BBB side GPMC driver.
Aug 07 10:22:09 <KotH> read teh TRM
Aug 07 10:22:18 <KotH> learn how it works
Aug 07 10:22:20 <KotH> then read the kernel
Aug 07 10:22:23 <KotH> learn how that works
Aug 07 10:22:41 <nil_> Did not get what is TRM?
Aug 07 10:22:43 <KotH> then learn ashendens designers guide to VHDL and learn how VHDL works
Aug 07 10:22:47 <woglinde> koth nah thats how engineers are working
Aug 07 10:22:53 <KotH> oh.. my bad
Aug 07 10:23:08 <KotH> nil_: just keep hammering at the FPGA until it does what you want
Aug 07 10:23:13 <woglinde> koth dont share this knowledge
Aug 07 10:23:17 <KotH> nil_: av500 is the TRM ;)
Aug 07 10:23:30 <Vaizki> [    1.008327] tilcdc 4830e000.fb: fb0:  frame buffer device
Aug 07 10:23:31 <Vaizki> HMMM
Aug 07 10:23:44 <Vaizki> apparently there is a fb device active already on the HDMI then
Aug 07 10:23:48 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/45
Aug 07 10:23:53 <KotH> nil_: www.ti.com/lit/ug/spruh73h/spruh73h.pdf
Aug 07 10:23:58 <woglinde> Vaizki sure its hdmi?
Aug 07 10:24:00 <av500> Vaizki: old style dev fb was deemed uncool
Aug 07 10:24:03 <Vaizki> so must be a HDMI issue
Aug 07 10:24:04 <av500> I think
Aug 07 10:24:21 <Vaizki> [    0.983123] tilcdc 4830e000.fb: found TDA19988
Aug 07 10:24:25 <Vaizki> looks like the HDMI framer to me
Aug 07 10:24:34 <av500> it is
Aug 07 10:24:44 <woglinde> hm and still no console
Aug 07 10:24:46 <woglinde> thats bad
Aug 07 10:24:48 <av500> you got framed
Aug 07 10:24:54 <Vaizki> and there is even an agetty on /dev/tty1
Aug 07 10:25:07 <Vaizki> but all I see is black
Aug 07 10:25:09 <woglinde> hm maybe resolution is wrong?
Aug 07 10:25:21 <woglinde> try some fb tools
Aug 07 10:25:22 <mru> is the monitor turned on?
Aug 07 10:25:23 <Vaizki> yea it's connected to a Dell display but that's all I have
Aug 07 10:25:31 <nil_> Is it possible to write the driver for GPMC cummunication for BBB easily?
Aug 07 10:25:41 <mru> if you have to ask, no
Aug 07 10:25:50 <Vaizki> :)
Aug 07 10:26:16 <nil_> or is it the Toughest job , taking long time?
Aug 07 10:27:34 <nil_> because i m familier with h/w but new to S/w or kind of such drivers
Aug 07 10:27:59 <av500> then maybe start with something simpler
Aug 07 10:27:59 <mru> then forget it, hw people can't do sw
Aug 07 10:28:06 <av500> +1
Aug 07 10:29:06 <nil_> from where should i start to work if i want to do this ?
Aug 07 10:29:26 <mru> start from the top and work your way towards the bottom
Aug 07 10:29:44 <nil_> :)
Aug 07 10:31:33 <av500> get familiar with linux
Aug 07 10:31:35 <av500> the BBB
Aug 07 10:31:39 <av500> all the other things
Aug 07 10:31:41 <av500> be curious
Aug 07 10:31:43 <av500> explore
Aug 07 10:31:44 <av500> read
Aug 07 10:31:46 <dm8tbr> all the things!
Aug 07 10:31:46 <av500> observe
Aug 07 10:31:52 <av500> google
Aug 07 10:31:55 <dm8tbr> there are good oreilly books on those topics
Aug 07 10:32:06 <mru> books are overrated
Aug 07 10:32:09 <av500> take stuff apart
Aug 07 10:32:37 <mru> putting them back together is less important
Aug 07 10:32:44 <nil_> i have introductury knowledge of BB-xm
Aug 07 10:33:02 <ynezz> congrats
Aug 07 10:33:10 <ynezz> here's you certificate
Aug 07 10:33:14 <av500> if you have to learn how to learn
Aug 07 10:33:20 <av500> then you need to learn a lot
Aug 07 10:33:48 <nil_> i can build deploy  develop apps on bb-xm, qt .
Aug 07 10:34:15 <nil_> never studied about how to wrote driver
Aug 07 10:34:34 <nil_> thats why i m asking from where should i start
Aug 07 10:34:35 <av500> theres a book for that
Aug 07 10:34:47 <av500> start anywhere
Aug 07 10:34:48 <nil_> any name
Aug 07 10:34:50 <av500> but start
Aug 07 10:34:53 <av500> google it
Aug 07 10:34:57 <nil_> ok
Aug 07 10:35:00 <mru> "my first abc"
Aug 07 10:35:15 <zump> i have booted from an ubuntu external sd card but i cant verify whether it works because the TTL serial port doesnt work... (no HDMI..) do not all distributions have this feature out of the box, or is it only the default angstrom that does?
Aug 07 10:35:33 <Vaizki> define doesn't work
Aug 07 10:35:40 <av500> define all
Aug 07 10:35:48 <cde> nil_: http://www.morganclaypool.com/doi/abs/10.2200/S00500ED1V01Y201304DCS041 $20
Aug 07 10:35:51 <Vaizki> do you see u-boot and kernel loading?
Aug 07 10:36:11 <zump> doesnt work = doesnt appear in serial ports
Aug 07 10:36:11 <cde> it's a rpretty good book although obviously it doesn't cover everything
Aug 07 10:36:28 <Vaizki> ??
Aug 07 10:37:00 <mrpackethead> usb - ttl debug cable = important
Aug 07 10:37:07 <mrpackethead> and then make sure you edit fstab
Aug 07 10:37:10 <Vaizki> oh ok you mean the serial gadget over usb? do you have a separate usb ttl serial cable?
Aug 07 10:37:15 <mrpackethead> so it respawns a tty session
Aug 07 10:37:20 <cde> nil_: also check https://www.adafruit.com/blog/category/beaglebone/ lots of great ideas and tutorials
Aug 07 10:37:33 <mrpackethead> no, not serial gadget
Aug 07 10:37:38 <zump> Vaizki: yes. it works fine without an external sd card, i cant see angstrom ascii art and can login.
Aug 07 10:37:45 <mrpackethead> its a serial cable that plugs into that 6 pin header
Aug 07 10:37:53 <zump> CAN*^
Aug 07 10:37:53 <mrpackethead> which was redicoulsy placed
Aug 07 10:38:02 <mrpackethead> because if you have any capes
Aug 07 10:38:04 <mrpackethead> you can't use it
Aug 07 10:38:28 <cde> nil_: also check http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/ and https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/725368-getting-started-with-the-beaglebone-black-a-1ghz-arm-linux-machine-for-45 and http://elinux.org/BeagleBone
Aug 07 10:39:06 <cde> https://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ is nice too although very outdated
Aug 07 10:39:14 <av500> also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvoGic3eig0
Aug 07 10:39:44 <woglinde> hm or start reading some kernel mailinglist and review the patches
Aug 07 10:40:31 <woglinde> nil you have a hard stony way before you
Aug 07 10:40:40 <mrpackethead> is it time to start a new secrect #beagle-troll channel
Aug 07 10:40:40 <woglinde> but thats engineers life
Aug 07 10:41:17 <woglinde> mrpackethead did you have the first beer?
Aug 07 10:41:54 <mrpackethead> no, just had a cup of chai
Aug 07 10:42:02 <mrpackethead> its a school night you know
Aug 07 10:43:05 <woglinde> school night?
Aug 07 10:43:26 <nil_> you guys help me alot for getting the door to entry.
Aug 07 10:44:22 <nil_> i will be back for querys after getting good start.
Aug 07 10:44:55 <cde> np bro
Aug 07 10:44:59 <av500> woglinde: are you ossi or wessi?
Aug 07 10:45:05 <nil_> Thank you , and good by. Have a Nice Time All my Dear friends.
Aug 07 10:45:57 <woglinde> av500 what do you think?
Aug 07 10:46:33 <av500> ossi to be on the safe side :)
Aug 07 10:46:39 <woglinde> lol
Aug 07 10:46:42 <woglinde> but its right
Aug 07 10:51:54 <ant_work> av500: wasn't west the safe side at the time ;)
Aug 07 11:07:58 <LetoThe2nd> re
Aug 07 11:08:13 <LetoThe2nd> woglinde: the reason for building in target is purely for demonstration
Aug 07 11:12:50 <KotH> mru: so, you're saying i cannot do software?
Aug 07 11:13:00 <KotH> mru: which mind me true '^^
Aug 07 11:13:58 <KotH> might*
Aug 07 11:14:03 * KotH definitly not awake
Aug 07 11:14:19 <mru> it's overrated anyway
Aug 07 11:16:19 <dm8tbr> KotH: still better than my fate. I'm a damager, I'm good at neither. :D
Aug 07 11:17:27 <LetoThe2nd> koen: just retried with kernel-headers installed before hand - kernel-dev does not seem to bring the build/ link
Aug 07 11:19:45 <KotH> dm8tbr: einmal ein nager, immer ein nager
Aug 07 11:20:04 <dm8tbr> KotH: pass uff, ich nag dir die schoggi ab
Aug 07 11:20:05 <Vaizki> ok n00b time.. is there a way to see which major,minor device node is owned by which driver?
Aug 07 11:20:13 <Vaizki> something in sysfs?
Aug 07 11:20:26 <dm8tbr> wasn't that in proc?
Aug 07 11:20:38 * dm8tbr vaguely remembers from his last hw-hacking session
Aug 07 11:20:52 <KotH> dm8tbr: das schreckt mi nöd, ich han rattegift um mini schoggi ume verteilt
Aug 07 11:21:12 <dm8tbr> :D
Aug 07 11:22:11 <ant_work> vieli Gruezi fuers Geburti deiner Mutti
Aug 07 11:22:25 <ant_work> (I heard really smthg like that on raio in CH)
Aug 07 11:22:30 <ant_work> *radio
Aug 07 11:22:50 * KotH doubts that
Aug 07 11:22:53 <KotH> it doesnt sound right
Aug 07 11:23:12 <Vaizki> hmmh yea /proc/devices shows something but it doesn't mention specific driver names.. like 254 = rtc and 29 = fb
Aug 07 11:23:13 <ant_work> can't properly spell, sorry
Aug 07 11:23:25 <ant_work> I just studied Bayrisch
Aug 07 11:37:57 <flufmnstr> so, hdmi audio plugged directly into a tv works, but not when plugged into a reciever without a tv. even with a forced resolution, does a tv need to be in the loop to get audio via hdmi?
Aug 07 11:38:39 <richb_> Hi. Does BeagleBoard rev C5 and D have 512MB of NAND available for use? The spec sheet says 4Gb NAND on page 17 and the change log agrees, while page 18 still refers to 256MB, as do online retailers. How much space does Android actually see?
Aug 07 11:39:24 <woglinde> lol
Aug 07 11:40:11 <das> lachen heraus laut
Aug 07 11:52:05 <mrpackethead> nigt
Aug 07 11:54:18 <woglinde> gn mrpackethead
Aug 07 12:05:47 <zump> how can i get nano to show correctly in minicom?
Aug 07 12:08:31 <woglinde> use vi
Aug 07 12:10:10 <av500> flufmnstr: does your receiver provide edid?
Aug 07 12:11:21 <flufmnstr> i have no idea. its a garage sale find. all i know is its a HD sony reciever with a correction mic input and can do all the way up to dobly cinema.
Aug 07 12:11:35 <flufmnstr> i dont have it neat me or id run the part numbers
Aug 07 12:11:40 <flufmnstr> *near
Aug 07 12:14:52 <av500> well, pastebin a full boot log
Aug 07 12:16:18 <das> minicom ? why not use screen ?
Aug 07 12:17:07 <flufmnstr> av500 is there something in the boot log that i should look for?
Aug 07 12:17:35 <KotH> das: because picocom is better
Aug 07 12:20:52 <Vaizki> flufmnstr: HDMI must transmit picture to transmit audio so if the receiver is just a passthrough HDMI switcher then it might be that HDMI won't start up even if you force resolution
Aug 07 12:21:21 <Vaizki> HDMI is like DVI except in the vertical blanking time they stuff audio data
Aug 07 12:21:33 <mru> horizontal, actually
Aug 07 12:21:40 <Vaizki> oh sorry
Aug 07 12:21:43 <Vaizki> my bad
Aug 07 12:21:51 <mru> that's why the hblank is so long
Aug 07 12:22:25 <Vaizki> but I found it hilarious when playing SACD content that I had to choose a high HDMI resolution to get enough bandwidth for the 5.1 audio on a disc .)
Aug 07 12:26:43 <flufmnstr> ah i see. its beginning to look like simply tapping that audio stream stright form the board is getting harder and harder
Aug 07 12:26:51 <flufmnstr> i dont even need the dang video feed
Aug 07 12:28:23 <av500> audio cape
Aug 07 12:28:42 <flufmnstr> *stright from the board
Aug 07 12:28:43 <panto> av500, +1
Aug 07 12:28:57 <av500> flufmnstr: well, stream it over ethernet
Aug 07 12:29:07 <av500> to somebody who has an audio cape
Aug 07 12:29:15 <av500> that guy can then record it
Aug 07 12:29:18 <av500> and send you a tape
Aug 07 12:29:36 <av500> you can also bitbang a DAC on the PRU
Aug 07 12:29:39 <Vaizki> you can stream it back over tape
Aug 07 12:30:07 <Vaizki> or just buy a 2 dollar usb audio...
Aug 07 12:30:40 <av500> +2
Aug 07 12:30:42 <flufmnstr> still trying to figureout pru bit banging for a dmx project :-\
Aug 07 12:30:44 <av500> (stereo)
Aug 07 12:31:07 <flufmnstr> i need more than 2 channels
Aug 07 12:31:21 <Vaizki> lunch time quickie bitbang?
Aug 07 12:31:24 <av500> you have 2 ears only
Aug 07 12:31:31 <Vaizki> and 1 brain
Aug 07 12:31:36 <flufmnstr> ...
Aug 07 12:31:40 <mru> Vaizki: some not even that
Aug 07 12:31:48 <av500> hard to tell from the outside
Aug 07 12:33:07 <flufmnstr> with all the mcasp accessability it seems like there should be a way to get the stream on a pin, level convert and send out via coax
Aug 07 12:33:20 <av500> yes
Aug 07 12:33:59 <av500> you can generate the spdif bitstream in SW
Aug 07 12:34:07 <av500> then pipe it out over I2S
Aug 07 12:34:23 <flufmnstr> other than technical manuals i cant find much on doing anyhting like that
Aug 07 12:34:37 <av500> we did it in the past
Aug 07 12:34:39 <mru> or bitbang it
Aug 07 12:34:45 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/115
Aug 07 12:34:50 <av500> let me find some stolen GPL code
Aug 07 12:35:50 <av500> so, now my MSP is spinning this slot machine wheel
Aug 07 12:35:57 <av500> all day long
Aug 07 12:37:55 <cde> mru: nothing wrong with bitbanging
Aug 07 12:38:17 <mru> cde: step away from that rpi
Aug 07 12:39:12 <cde> I bitbang in python with my rpi all day long. that's the life
Aug 07 12:40:31 <Vaizki> can the mcasp peripheral be reassigned to different pins?
Aug 07 12:41:22 <av500> see the TRM
Aug 07 12:41:28 <av500> and/or data sheet
Aug 07 12:41:38 <av500> most likely not
Aug 07 12:42:51 <Vaizki> yea doesn't look like it
Aug 07 12:49:51 <av500> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/comfybreasts/comfy-breasts-full-body-open-breasted-comfort-pill
Aug 07 12:49:56 <av500> not judging anybody here
Aug 07 12:55:17 <KotH> but somebody overthere?
Aug 07 12:58:36 <Jim123> I try to connect a 24Bit LCD with LVDS to BBB, but i get wrong colors. Can anyone help me?
Aug 07 13:00:06 <av500> define wrong
Aug 07 13:01:19 <KotH> the pink is not pink enough
Aug 07 13:04:02 <Jim123> RGBA888 and it seems like 2 Bits of each color are ignored
Aug 07 13:04:57 <KotH> are you sure it's really a full 24bit lcd?
Aug 07 13:05:08 <av500> maybe LCDs are 18 bit only
Aug 07 13:05:09 <KotH> i would very much doubt that in the first place
Aug 07 13:05:11 <av500> many
Aug 07 13:05:29 <av500> like a lot of the 10" 1024x768
Aug 07 13:05:43 <av500> poor netbook users never noticed
Aug 07 13:05:54 <mru> most LCDs are 6-bit
Aug 07 13:06:04 <Jim123> http://www.avnet-embedded.eu/fileadmin/user_upload/Files/Displays/Colour_TFT/AUO_Datasheet_G084SN05_V9.pdf
Aug 07 13:06:18 <mru> only the high-end ones are 8-bit
Aug 07 13:09:16 <av500> it accepts 8 bit signals
Aug 07 13:09:23 <mru> they usually do
Aug 07 13:09:27 <av500> whether it displays them I cannot tell
Aug 07 13:09:31 <mru> some dither
Aug 07 13:11:47 <Jim123> with fb-test, a typical pic: http://elinux.org/images/thumb/3/34/Fbtest2.jpg/240px-Fbtest2.jpg
Aug 07 13:12:05 <Jim123> our pic: http://s1.directupload.net/images/130807/anhz5bra.jpg
Aug 07 13:13:56 <Jim123> android pic: http://s7.directupload.net/images/130807/ycrev7ke.jpg
Aug 07 13:15:10 <av500> funky
Aug 07 13:20:57 <das> damn, really gotta stop modifying xorg.conf and pam.d without rebooting for weeks
Aug 07 13:21:41 <mru> rebooting is for windows users
Aug 07 13:21:48 <mru> and ubuntu of course
Aug 07 13:23:15 <av500> rebunting
Aug 07 13:25:57 <ion> and OpenBSD of course
Aug 07 13:57:15 * mranostay scrolls up
Aug 07 13:57:18 <mranostay> m_billybob: cute
Aug 07 14:03:46 <soursugar> Is there a gsm module available for beagleboard and any libraries to handle it on angstorm?
Aug 07 14:04:00 <jkridner> beagleboard or beaglebone?
Aug 07 14:04:11 <Dasmyller> bbb
Aug 07 14:04:47 <jkridner> Dasmyller: are you answering for soursugar?
Aug 07 14:04:51 <jkridner> http://beaglebonecapes.com
Aug 07 14:05:02 <jkridner> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_GPS/GPRS_Cape has GSM capability
Aug 07 14:05:34 <jkridner> though, it might be vapourware.
Aug 07 14:05:57 <jkridner> I've been waiting a bit.
Aug 07 14:06:04 <jkridner> USB modules are probably a safer bet.
Aug 07 14:06:24 <soursugar> bbxm
Aug 07 14:06:29 <jmoyerman> from their website: "NOTE: The tests for the first prototypes are in the final stage, and after, we will start the production of the final version. "
Aug 07 14:06:37 <soursugar> beagleboard_xm
Aug 07 14:06:46 <jkridner> http://mark.mckillen.com/2012/11/beaglebone-and-usb-gsm-stick/
Aug 07 14:07:04 <Dasmyller> what protocol that gsm module use?
Aug 07 14:07:10 <jkridner> https://help.ting.com/entries/22500726-Beaglebone-works-on-3-mo-Ting-com-Plan
Aug 07 14:07:44 <soursugar> I dont have a gsm module yet..
Aug 07 14:07:47 <jkridner> No reason https://sites.google.com/site/cellularbeaglebone/ shouldn't work on BeagleBoard-xM as well
Aug 07 14:07:49 <soursugar> planning to get one..
Aug 07 14:08:23 <soursugar> thanks everyone..!
Aug 07 14:08:25 <soursugar> :D
Aug 07 14:10:21 <Dasmyller> btw.. is there any way to disable exm. pwm from bonemngr?
Aug 07 14:11:32 <vvu> is the gprs cape compatible with the BBB ?
Aug 07 14:13:00 <BeagleGithub> [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.11: http://git.io/qKQ3EQ
Aug 07 14:13:00 <BeagleGithub> kernel/3.11 912ebb1 Koen Kooi: 3.11: update to 3.11-rc4 and import lcdc fixes from panto's tree...
Aug 07 14:16:12 <Dasmyller> I'm working on c api for bbb.. https://github.com/vmolsa/lib-bbb and i was thinking that is there any way to disable options that has been inserted on bonemgr?
Aug 07 15:01:10 <das> TEST: flush expectations (OK)
Aug 07 15:01:23 <das> I can relate to that ...
Aug 07 15:01:47 <mru> just remember to do it regularly
Aug 07 15:01:54 <mru> you don't want any buildup to occur
Aug 07 15:02:48 <das> I'm covered with a cron job
Aug 07 15:02:59 <mru> do you expect that to work?
Aug 07 15:04:30 <das> I have to do it myself ?
Aug 07 15:04:40 <das> that's too much work !
Aug 07 15:06:29 <ka6sox-Alyeska> mru, I see #226
Aug 07 15:14:58 <kfoltman> oh I made it to 26 again!
Aug 07 15:16:31 <ka6sox-Alyeska> kfoltman, truer words were never spoken
Aug 07 15:16:39 <kfoltman> mru: oh, and how could we have missed it yesterday? http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/0
Aug 07 15:19:47 <cde> yes, how could you.
Aug 07 15:20:17 <kfoltman> cde: well, you've missed it too :P
Aug 07 15:20:43 <cde> I blame alcohol, and a bad childhood. also, global warming
Aug 07 15:20:45 <mru> did someone discuss memcpy?
Aug 07 15:20:55 <mru> or was murder the main topic?
Aug 07 15:21:10 <mru> you never know in this channel
Aug 07 15:21:32 <kfoltman> mru: the memcpy bug that wasn't
Aug 07 15:21:38 <mru> ah right
Aug 07 15:21:50 <mru> I even commented on it
Aug 07 15:21:58 <kfoltman> the bastards who used memcpy without even looking at the datasheet
Aug 07 15:22:28 <ka6sox-Alyeska> if they didn't know does that make it involuntary?
Aug 07 15:22:43 <mru> didn't know what?
Aug 07 15:22:47 <kfoltman> ka6sox-Alyeska: that level of ignorance must be voluntary
Aug 07 15:22:54 <ka6sox-Alyeska> okay
Aug 07 15:23:21 <cde> or maybe they did it for teh lulz
Aug 07 15:24:32 <av500> memcpy has a data sheet?
Aug 07 15:24:44 <av500> does it have erata too?
Aug 07 15:24:54 <mru> sometimes
Aug 07 15:25:01 <ka6sox-Alyeska> if its TI it will *always* have an errata
Aug 07 15:25:01 <das> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/-2
Aug 07 15:25:22 <av500> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/sex
Aug 07 15:25:44 <kfoltman> das: meta-26?
Aug 07 15:26:12 <kfoltman> nah
Aug 07 15:26:33 <av500> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/bit
Aug 07 15:26:54 <kfoltman> ah, substring search?
Aug 07 15:27:28 <av500> indeed
Aug 07 15:27:37 <das> yeah I was confused at first
Aug 07 15:27:41 <kfoltman> me too
Aug 07 15:28:09 <das> can we start a club or smth ?
Aug 07 15:28:25 <cde> 3 letter nicks only
Aug 07 15:28:53 * das__ ain't getting in a club with cde
Aug 07 15:29:07 <cde> why not
Aug 07 15:29:16 <das__> you have a 3 letter nick
Aug 07 15:29:31 <das__> also, circular logic is good because it's circular logic
Aug 07 15:29:50 <cde> I prefer to jmp $
Aug 07 15:30:02 <cde> aka circus logic
Aug 07 15:31:24 <kfoltman> circus logic? like a semi company that makes you jump through the hoops before getting the specs?
Aug 07 15:31:47 <das__> Intel is not a semi company
Aug 07 15:31:54 <cde> he meant broadcom
Aug 07 15:32:19 <mru> intel is quarter company
Aug 07 15:34:51 <saleem> what is the maximum size of micro SD card that can be used in BeagleBone Black
Aug 07 15:35:06 <xenoxaos> i would say probably 32G
Aug 07 15:35:33 <mru> about 10x15 mm
Aug 07 15:36:33 <saleem> and how to set proxy username and passward as my institute lan has proxy
Aug 07 16:07:04 <mranostay> mru: dm8tbr: Tartarus: so no ELCE notices yet right?
Aug 07 16:07:27 <dm8tbr> mranostay: didn't submit
Aug 07 16:07:32 <Tartarus> mranostay, right
Aug 07 16:07:39 <Tartarus> haven't checked today, but was like that yesterday
Aug 07 16:07:52 <mru> none here
Aug 07 16:13:20 <prpplague> mranostay: nope
Aug 07 16:13:24 * KotH calls for another JIHAD
Aug 07 16:13:27 <prpplague> mranostay: there is something going on
Aug 07 16:13:35 <prpplague> mranostay: timb hasn't returned any emails
Aug 07 16:13:55 <prpplague> mranostay: and c.craig ross was very short with me and two other folks when we inquired about ELCE
Aug 07 16:14:45 <mranostay> hi behanw
Aug 07 16:15:12 * mranostay senses no Scotland this year..
Aug 07 16:19:00 <mranostay> prpplague: can we all drink whisky and pretend we went? :)
Aug 07 16:19:25 * SpeedEvil is here all the time.
Aug 07 16:40:35 <Vaizki> I am drinking bourbon
Aug 07 16:40:40 <Vaizki> does that count?
Aug 07 16:41:47 <woglinde> Vaizki no
Aug 07 16:42:21 <Vaizki> ok.. I'll still drink it.
Aug 07 17:03:47 <behanw> mranostay, hello
Aug 07 17:04:34 <koen> behanw: good morning!
Aug 07 17:05:07 <behanw> koen: How's it going.
Aug 07 17:05:13 <behanw> ?
Aug 07 17:05:50 <koen> I work from home and all the kids in the neighbourhood have reached critical mass with their parents
Aug 07 17:05:55 <koen> never a dull moment :)
Aug 07 17:06:01 <behanw> LOL.
Aug 07 17:06:09 <behanw> I know you work from home from your G+ picture. ;)
Aug 07 17:06:23 <behanw> I too work from home, but my desk/lab is a LOT smaller.
Aug 07 17:07:09 <koen> no kids, so I get to claim the complete attic
Aug 07 17:07:16 <behanw> Pretty quiet around here this summer. Not sure why
Aug 07 17:09:20 <behanw> prpplague, Any idea when elce talks will be accepted or not?
Aug 07 17:10:03 * koen checks
Aug 07 17:10:06 <koen> "under review"
Aug 07 17:10:13 <behanw> Yup. That's what mine says too
Aug 07 17:10:29 <koen> what's the title of your talk?
Aug 07 17:10:31 <behanw> I've got everything planned, except my ELCE registration.
Aug 07 17:10:39 <behanw> "LLVMLinux: The Linux Kernel with Dragon Wings"
Aug 07 17:10:46 <koen> "
Aug 07 17:10:47 <koen> Are embedded buildsystems still needed"
Aug 07 17:11:04 <koen> I could have guessed it being about llvm :)
Aug 07 17:11:06 <behanw> I think they are. ;)
Aug 07 17:11:22 <behanw> Well, it is the thing I spend most of my time on these days.
Aug 07 17:11:34 <behanw> And the thing everyone asks me about.
Aug 07 17:11:37 <prpplague> behanw: nope, i am not on the program committee (i resigned) and none of the people i know that were on the committee last year are on the committee this year
Aug 07 17:11:45 <behanw> Oh!
Aug 07 17:12:04 <koen> behanw: I think they are needed as well, but not for the reasons people assume
Aug 07 17:12:22 <behanw> prpplague,  I didn't realize. I've always though of you as one of the ELC(E) people
Aug 07 17:12:35 <koen> behanw: if I hand a quad core A15 based board to someone they will prefer to do native builds, not go through buildsys hell for their pet projects
Aug 07 17:12:42 <behanw> Ooh.
Aug 07 17:12:48 <behanw> That would be nice.
Aug 07 17:12:51 <prpplague> behanw: hehe
Aug 07 17:13:10 <behanw> I like prpplague's idea: an ARM board which you can install in your laptop
Aug 07 17:13:18 <prpplague> behanw: well i had been on the committee several times, but the "environment" of ELC(E) seems to be changing
Aug 07 17:13:26 <behanw> Expansion slot, or a drive bay or something
Aug 07 17:13:35 <behanw> prpplague, changing how?
Aug 07 17:13:44 <prpplague> behanw: i have the mPCIe version of black working, but i am not satisfied with it
Aug 07 17:13:50 <behanw> Oooh.
Aug 07 17:14:18 <prpplague> behanw: CELF was brought into Linux Foundation back in 2010, so ELC(E) is under the guidance of Linux Foundation now
Aug 07 17:14:28 <behanw> prpplague, Wow. Too cool
Aug 07 17:14:36 <prpplague> behanw: so there are direct marketing and monetary items LF wants and pushes
Aug 07 17:14:43 <behanw> I knew about that.
Aug 07 17:14:47 <behanw> IS it not a good thing?
Aug 07 17:15:13 <prpplague> behanw: in addition, LF is scheduling things in such a way that a large number of developers have to make a choice between linaro connect and ELC(E)
Aug 07 17:15:20 <prpplague> behanw: yes and no
Aug 07 17:15:21 <behanw> Full disclosure, in part I work for LF (as a trainer, and course maintainer)
Aug 07 17:15:28 <behanw> Oh I see.
Aug 07 17:15:31 <prpplague> behanw: understood
Aug 07 17:15:34 <behanw> Yeah, that sucks.
Aug 07 17:15:38 <woglinde> behanw linux kernel compiled with llvm?
Aug 07 17:15:46 <behanw> I have yet to make it to LC, and I really want to go...
Aug 07 17:15:53 <behanw> woglinde, Yes.
Aug 07 17:16:02 <behanw> http://llvm.linuxfoundation.org
Aug 07 17:16:02 <woglinde> why is it better?
Aug 07 17:16:08 <prpplague> behanw: ELC(E) has become less of a specific conference, but more of a "co-location" for other events
Aug 07 17:16:18 <prpplague> behanw: in this case the LInuxCon-EU
Aug 07 17:16:27 <woglinde> jupp
Aug 07 17:16:28 <behanw> woglinde, it's not that it's better, it's that it's a different toolchain
Aug 07 17:16:42 <woglinde> behanw that was not my question
Aug 07 17:16:46 <behanw> Both gcc and clang have advantages and disadvantages
Aug 07 17:17:01 <woglinde> sure
Aug 07 17:17:01 <prpplague> behanw: i suspect that the number of submissions for ELCE were down a lot this year
Aug 07 17:17:13 <behanw> prpplague, That's a pity.
Aug 07 17:17:25 <behanw> I've always enjoyed ELCE.
Aug 07 17:17:48 <koen> the colocation in prague was pretty neat
Aug 07 17:18:01 <koen> it turned the conference into a plumbers-lite
Aug 07 17:18:07 <behanw> woglinde, Can you rephrase your question then? I'd love to answer it.
Aug 07 17:18:18 <_av500_> prague was good
Aug 07 17:18:20 <prpplague> behanw: the linaro connect conference timing is taking a toll on the attendence
Aug 07 17:18:22 <_av500_> barcelona not so mu[D[D[D[D[D[Dch
Aug 07 17:18:24 <prpplague> _av500_: agreed
Aug 07 17:18:25 <behanw> Koen: Prague was awesome.
Aug 07 17:18:32 <prpplague> _av500_: barcelona was terrible
Aug 07 17:18:38 <_av500_> barcelona not so much
Aug 07 17:18:44 <RypRap> how to mount freshly bought sdcard on BBB
Aug 07 17:18:54 <koen> I like elce in barcelona because it was in barcelona
Aug 07 17:19:02 <koen> don't remember much fromthe actual conference
Aug 07 17:19:13 <_av500_> maybe somebody can teahc intel how to order beer
Aug 07 17:19:15 <behanw> koen: Agreed. Barcelona the city was fun
Aug 07 17:19:42 <koen> mranostay: I've ran out of motivation to use git today, I'll apply the pps-gpio patch tomorrow
Aug 07 17:19:42 <_av500_> also the venue sucked
Aug 07 17:19:46 <behanw> koen: I spent a lot of time in "hallway meetings"
Aug 07 17:19:56 <_av500_> too drawn out
Aug 07 17:20:08 <_av500_> prague with the central area was great
Aug 07 17:20:20 <prpplague> _av500_: agreed
Aug 07 17:20:59 <koen> behanw: I have a simple schedule for both ELC and ELC-e:
Aug 07 17:21:04 <koen> 1) troll dave stewart
Aug 07 17:21:07 <koen> 2) troll dave ander
Aug 07 17:21:09 <behanw> LOL
Aug 07 17:21:11 <woglinde> lol
Aug 07 17:21:11 <koen> 3) hall way track
Aug 07 17:21:23 <behanw> 4) Drink beer?
Aug 07 17:21:28 <koen> 4) get as much free food offers as possible (related to #1)
Aug 07 17:21:33 <behanw> Nailed it!
Aug 07 17:21:36 <woglinde> scotch in scottland?
Aug 07 17:21:57 <koen> they also have decent beer in scotland
Aug 07 17:22:09 * koen doesn't really like scotch
Aug 07 17:22:41 <woglinde> no elce for me this year
Aug 07 17:23:32 <_av500_> i'm undecided
Aug 07 17:23:34 <prpplague> koen: hehe
Aug 07 17:23:39 <prpplague> koen: of course i am trollable
Aug 07 17:24:04 <prpplague> woglinde: sadly that seems to be the general concensus
Aug 07 17:24:27 <woglinde> prpplague maybee next year
Aug 07 17:24:30 <koen> sweet, I actually stayed at one of the hotels mentioned on the elc page
Aug 07 17:25:07 <behanw> prpplague, That sucks. I was looking forward to ELCE.
Aug 07 17:25:29 <prpplague> behanw: linaro connect attendence is required for most of the linaro employees
Aug 07 17:25:34 <behanw> Sure.
Aug 07 17:25:42 <behanw> Understood
Aug 07 17:25:58 <mru> it's like linaro is deliberately sabotaging elc
Aug 07 17:26:03 <behanw> That does suck
Aug 07 17:26:05 <mru> they do it _every_ time
Aug 07 17:26:21 <koen> a few years ago there was talk about fixing that
Aug 07 17:26:27 <koen> guess that went nowhere
Aug 07 17:26:34 <mru> a few years ago they overlapped
Aug 07 17:26:35 <_av500_> hallway talk?
Aug 07 17:27:02 <koen> it wasn't a big problem back then, since linaro meant ubuntu
Aug 07 17:27:13 <mru> it was a problem for anyone working for linaro
Aug 07 17:27:15 <koen> but now they seem to actually do embedded :)
Aug 07 17:27:38 <cde> the first rule of linaro club
Aug 07 17:30:29 <_av500_> spend time in meetings
Aug 07 17:32:28 <mranostay> heh
Aug 07 17:35:27 <cde> ..is: you do not talk about linaro club
Aug 07 17:39:17 <mranostay> sounds like  sandwich
Aug 07 17:39:19 <mranostay> *a
Aug 07 17:39:38 <woglinde> sandwichs in meetings?
Aug 07 17:44:13 <mranostay> almost lunchtime
Aug 07 17:46:44 <RypRap> how am i suppsed to see sd card ?
Aug 07 17:46:47 <RypRap>  lsblk
Aug 07 17:46:48 <RypRap> NAME         MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
Aug 07 17:46:48 <RypRap> mmcblk0boot0 179:8    0     1M  1 disk
Aug 07 17:46:48 <RypRap> mmcblk0boot1 179:16   0     1M  1 disk
Aug 07 17:46:48 <RypRap> mmcblk0      179:0    0   1.8G  0 disk
Aug 07 17:46:48 <RypRap> |-mmcblk0p1  179:1    0  70.6M  0 part /media/BEAGLEBONE
Aug 07 17:46:49 <RypRap> `-mmcblk0p2  179:2    0   1.7G  0 part /
Aug 07 17:47:11 <RypRap> my sd is 4Go
Aug 07 17:47:55 <prpplague> bad RypRap bad RypRap
Aug 07 17:48:10 <prpplague> RypRap: please a pastebin site if you need to paste more than two lines
Aug 07 17:48:22 <prpplague> RypRap: pastebin.com
Aug 07 17:49:55 <ds2> the whole ELC scheduling is rediculous
Aug 07 17:50:30 <ds2> they need to move it back to where it nromally is instead of the insanely early in the year
Aug 07 17:50:35 <prpplague> ds2: yea
Aug 07 17:50:42 <prpplague> behanw: see /msg
Aug 07 17:50:58 <behanw> prpplague, whoops. I see now
Aug 07 17:51:03 <ds2> do they seriously expect people to be writing proposals during xmas?
Aug 07 17:51:12 <prpplague> ds2: exactly
Aug 07 17:51:19 <ds2> then deal with attending it in the mist of the new years rush
Aug 07 17:51:39 <mike4566> looking to use bone black on a product of mine, could someone suggest a stable wireless ethernet option?
Aug 07 17:51:55 <ds2> what is a wireless ethernet?
Aug 07 17:51:59 <ds2> a RF PHY?
Aug 07 17:52:23 <mike4566> 802.11
Aug 07 17:52:27 <mranostay> heh
Aug 07 17:52:27 <dm8tbr> I think I've seen people use 10Base-T card output as IF
Aug 07 17:52:41 <djlewis> i've seen a ethernet to wifi solution
Aug 07 17:52:53 <mike4566> sorry misspoke.
Aug 07 17:53:09 <ds2> there are plenty of wifi options with differing degrees of stability
Aug 07 17:53:17 <ds2> it all depends on your choice of SW
Aug 07 17:53:33 <cde> mike4566: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb
Aug 07 17:53:51 <mike4566> wwireless wifi adapter, USB preferably. i will use ubuntu or the default OS
Aug 07 17:54:23 <mike4566> cde: awesome.
Aug 07 17:54:34 <cde> it respects your freedom!
Aug 07 17:55:05 <mike4566> are beaglebones readily available to purchase nowadays? if i order 30+ - no waiting list?
Aug 07 17:55:13 <mike4566> havent kept up to date recently.
Aug 07 17:55:26 <woglinde> why you need 30?
Aug 07 17:55:38 <woglinde> mesh cluster?
Aug 07 17:56:00 <mike4566> its for a physical product thats being sold.
Aug 07 17:56:22 <ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwww USB wifi
Aug 07 17:56:25 <djlewis> woglinde: he burns one up, he can keep on cooking
Aug 07 17:56:29 <woglinde> hm but bone is for research
Aug 07 17:56:31 <ds2> yuck yuck yuck
Aug 07 17:56:35 <woglinde> not really production
Aug 07 17:56:44 <Humpelstilzchen> woglinde: thats your strategy, is it?
Aug 07 17:56:49 <mike4566> woglinde: says who?
Aug 07 17:56:58 <woglinde> Humpelstilzchen ehat?
Aug 07 17:57:01 <woglinde> what?
Aug 07 17:57:06 <cde> WAT
Aug 07 17:57:12 <djlewis> eye?
Aug 07 17:57:15 <djlewis> aye?
Aug 07 17:57:24 <woglinde> you mean my troll strategy?
Aug 07 17:57:38 <Humpelstilzchen> sure
Aug 07 17:59:10 <woglinde> mike4566 if it works for you go ahead
Aug 07 18:00:20 <mike4566> its a high priced item i am selling so $45 is nothing. i dont care to find other cheaper SBC's
Aug 07 18:00:30 <ds2> just build your own
Aug 07 18:00:35 <ds2> the design files are available
Aug 07 18:01:13 <mike4566> that would be a waste of time for me to build my own, i would get nothing of it. not worth the time spent.
Aug 07 18:01:30 <mike4566> at this stage especially
Aug 07 18:02:36 <ds2> it would get you control of your design
Aug 07 18:03:35 <mike4566> but thats of no need at all for me.
Aug 07 18:05:58 <_av500_> just go ahead and order them
Aug 07 18:08:46 <woglinde> re av
Aug 07 18:12:30 <mike4566> yup going to order one up right now, to make sure i can get everything on this x86 ubuntu working on the arm. if all well ordering 50 =D
Aug 07 18:20:27 <XFaCE> asked this before, but missed the answer, how do I determine the currently installed Angstrom version on the BBB?
Aug 07 18:20:32 <XFaCE> in terms of date
Aug 07 18:21:04 <SoCo_cpp_> They tell me they've completed another round of temperature testing, with the big chamber this time.  They feel the Beagle Bone Black successfully functioned at -35C to 75C. They seem to think the main under rated component was the network port, so I don't know if they tested the functionality much more than ssh'ing in and running a couple commands.
Aug 07 18:22:23 <_av500_> you should try to transfer hot and cold data
Aug 07 18:23:19 <mru> some of the parts on the bone are only rated for 0-70 iirc
Aug 07 18:23:21 <SoCo_cpp_> The did two individual tests, a hot and a cold test. Cold data takes less memory, right? :P
Aug 07 18:23:43 <Spirilis> mike4566: CircuitCo is your go-to source, they manufacture the beaglebone so they can arrange for the volume production
Aug 07 18:24:02 <mike4566> Spirilis: yeah? awesome.
Aug 07 18:24:27 <Spirilis> yeah IIRC they *want* you to go to them for those kinds of requests, not to their distributors
Aug 07 18:25:16 <Spirilis> not sure if the tune has changed but especially early on they want their distributors to have stock for folks buying them one-off I guess to make sure there's no crunch
Aug 07 18:25:42 <Spirilis> kinda looks like most distributors have stock now though
Aug 07 18:25:50 <RypRap> XFaCE:  cat /etc/angstrom-version
Aug 07 18:25:59 <XFaCE> RypRap: thx
Aug 07 18:33:44 <rob_w> major distributors has the bbb on stock in hundreds
Aug 07 18:34:24 <Spirilis> yeah mouser has 1,044 "can ship immediately"
Aug 07 18:34:27 <Spirilis> on order: 6500
Aug 07 18:34:28 <Spirilis> lol
Aug 07 18:34:41 <prpplague> if anyone wants to attend the open hardware summit and needs a ticket, give me a ping
Aug 07 18:35:23 <rob_w> and all plans are open on the bbb so you can go to whomever to produce your own stock
Aug 07 18:35:42 <rob_w> make the board round or so ;-)
Aug 07 18:35:56 <rob_w> prpplague,  where is that ?
Aug 07 18:37:58 <XFaCE> RypRap: so if the version is 2012.12, the latest version 2013-mm-dd is newer?
Aug 07 18:38:12 <XFaCE> are those dates equivalent?
Aug 07 18:38:59 <ds2> where is the open hardware summit ?
Aug 07 18:42:52 <prpplague> mike4566: circuitco can do provide you with OEM volumes and support
Aug 07 18:43:03 <prpplague> mike4566: contact bob@circuitco.com for more details
Aug 07 18:43:39 <mike4566> prpplague: awesome great! first let me figure out how to port everything from ubuntu 13 to the beaglebone =D
Aug 07 18:48:38 <woglinde> just install ubuntu 13?
Aug 07 18:48:56 <woglinde> and what do you need to port?
Aug 07 18:49:04 <woglinde> c python java?
Aug 07 18:49:18 <mru> http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/151
Aug 07 18:50:07 <woglinde> *g*
Aug 07 18:50:39 <mru> it's hard to believe that all of those are real quotes
Aug 07 18:50:45 <woglinde> no
Aug 07 18:52:06 <rob_w> mru wtf nice
Aug 07 18:52:42 <mru> in the same spirit: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/150
Aug 07 18:53:25 <rob_w> just double click the setup.exe and follow the wizard into mordor
Aug 07 18:53:55 <Vaizki> here's another quote: what is this 26+26
Aug 07 18:54:37 <rob_w> btw i intetraged the old rs485 patch from the 2.6 days to the bbb kernel today ..
Aug 07 18:54:44 <rob_w> works like a charm
Aug 07 18:54:50 <_av500_> 2.6
Aug 07 18:54:55 <_av500_> ah, the good old times
Aug 07 18:55:17 <prpplague> hehe
Aug 07 18:55:18 <rob_w> board-xyz.c .. when all had their private space ;-)
Aug 07 18:55:37 <_av500_> before this communist nonsense
Aug 07 18:56:14 <rob_w> but you can play the communist thing yet inside of drivers/misc/capes/beaglebone ... engough  for my needs
Aug 07 18:58:46 <cde> mru: well we all started somewhere, didn't we
Aug 07 18:59:12 <Vaizki> there was no-one to ask stupid questions from back then
Aug 07 18:59:18 <prpplague> if DT had a color it would be pink
Aug 07 18:59:27 <Vaizki> or maybe a BBS and then you'd get banned for life
Aug 07 18:59:51 <_av500_> no BBS lasted that long
Aug 07 19:00:01 <Vaizki> some are still around :)
Aug 07 19:00:42 <_av500_> I would not know, I'm banned
Aug 07 19:00:54 <mranostay> heh
Aug 07 19:01:57 <Vaizki> this deluge of information on the 'net makes people so lazy in learning
Aug 07 19:02:39 <Vaizki> I can see it in my own teenage son. He's always "I'll google it" ..
Aug 07 19:02:47 <mranostay> _av500_: banned in #raspberrypi ?
Aug 07 19:03:08 <Vaizki> I lost 4 RPis
Aug 07 19:03:09 <systemG3000> this library age has made people so lazy.. i can see my son now "i'll just go to the library instead of doing original research"
Aug 07 19:03:33 <Vaizki> I was looking for them today and I've no idea where they are. damn.
Aug 07 19:03:44 <mranostay> Vaizki: at least he googles it
Aug 07 19:03:58 <_av500_> +1
Aug 07 19:04:07 <cde> google is hard. just ask your smartphone
Aug 07 19:04:19 <Vaizki> systemG3000: there's a difference. I want him to learn some things from the ground up, you need a solid foundation if you want to stand tall
Aug 07 19:04:35 <_av500_> this techno age has made people lazy ... I will just order this burger and not hunt down a cow
Aug 07 19:04:43 <mranostay> +1
Aug 07 19:04:51 <Vaizki> on google you can find a (potentially somewhat correct) answer to almost any specific issue
Aug 07 19:04:54 <mranostay> _av500_: don't you have a farm or something?
Aug 07 19:04:59 <_av500_> not yet
Aug 07 19:05:10 <_av500_> unless the ant farm counts
Aug 07 19:05:12 <Vaizki> I have a wife who cooks
Aug 07 19:05:25 <mranostay> i have a microwave who cooks
Aug 07 19:05:34 <_av500_> heats
Aug 07 19:05:46 <Vaizki> nukers don't cook
Aug 07 19:06:08 <_av500_> nukers gonna nuke
Aug 07 19:06:45 <systemG3000> i went to college as an adult recently, the teachers have just about given up on books for research projects. when i was in school, the system taught us the dewey decimal system, how to use encyclopediae, the card catalog,, etc, but it turns out that culture changed and those things are scarecely necessary any more
Aug 07 19:07:10 <systemG3000> i'm just saying the culture changes and being able to find information changes
Aug 07 19:07:14 <_av500_> our uni library has microfiche
Aug 07 19:07:23 <_av500_> for IC data sheets
Aug 07 19:07:24 <systemG3000> every generation thinks the new generation has it easy (too easy perhaps)
Aug 07 19:07:32 <_av500_> i used that once
Aug 07 19:07:39 <systemG3000> nice
Aug 07 19:07:43 <mru> systemG3000: using google requires some skill too
Aug 07 19:07:53 <systemG3000> mru: my point exactly!
Aug 07 19:08:00 <mru> not unlike the skill to find something in a library
Aug 07 19:08:11 * mranostay notes this channel has some old @$%$s here :)
Aug 07 19:08:26 <_av500_> mranostay: shut up kid, grown ups talking
Aug 07 19:08:36 <mru> whether flipping through cards or typing in google, you still need to know what to look for
Aug 07 19:08:41 <systemG3000> hey, i'm only 34
Aug 07 19:08:44 <_av500_> porn
Aug 07 19:08:47 <_av500_> try that in a library
Aug 07 19:09:11 <_av500_> so yes, the young generatoin has it easier
Aug 07 19:09:15 <_av500_> :)
Aug 07 19:09:24 <mru> _av500_: there's always the medical books about anatomy...
Aug 07 19:09:29 <_av500_> well
Aug 07 19:09:57 <_av500_> "excuse me, where is the section on goats?"
Aug 07 19:10:03 <mranostay> _av500_: try that in the library and no get arrested :P
Aug 07 19:10:08 <mru> _av500_: +e
Aug 07 19:30:29 <RypRap> XFaCE: yes, delivered BBBs dont have latest version
Aug 07 19:30:42 <XFaCE> thx again
Aug 07 19:32:21 <RypRap> sry for delay^^
Aug 07 20:04:04 <andry> Hi! I can't get the android working on the BBB, all of the user leds turn blue, then later they start to flash, and nothing happens. I ran the BBB for 2 days and nothing happened... Please help!
Aug 07 20:04:34 <maxinux> try asking the android peeps
Aug 07 20:10:36 <mranostay> heheh
Aug 07 20:14:07 <cde> andry: have you tried turning it off and on again
Aug 07 20:15:37 <andry> cde: Yup.
Aug 07 20:15:59 <cde> then I'm totally out of ideas. sorry mate
Aug 07 20:22:12 <jkridner> prpplague: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b889d343d3da1a3e1345
Aug 07 20:22:27 <jkridner> any thoughts why the accelerometer won't come out of sleep mode?
Aug 07 20:22:39 <jkridner> er, STANDBY mode
Aug 07 20:24:08 * prpplague looks
Aug 07 20:28:43 <prpplague> jkridner: 0x0b is just the status register
Aug 07 20:28:57 <jkridner> isn't it also the place to set the state to active?
Aug 07 20:29:04 <prpplague> jkridner: negative
Aug 07 20:29:12 <prpplague> jkridner: thats why i sent you that diff
Aug 07 20:29:13 <jkridner> 0x2a then?
Aug 07 20:29:17 <prpplague> yea
Aug 07 20:30:07 <jkridner> k, I didn't see that in the diff
Aug 07 20:30:08 <prpplague> jkridner: set 0x0e to 0x07, then set 0x2a to 0x0
Aug 07 20:30:09 <prpplague> jkridner: set 0x0e to 0x07, then set 0x2a to 0x01
Aug 07 20:30:33 <prpplague> jkridner: hehe you apply it to the exist file and then read the open function
Aug 07 20:40:53 <prpplague> behanw: we got off on another topic, but were you interested in the mPCIe Black ?
Aug 07 20:51:26 <behanw> prpplague, generally, yes. Problem is that I don't think I have anything which uses mPCIe... So specifically not right now.
Aug 07 20:57:03 <mranostay> behanw: pop out the credit card and solve that :P
Aug 07 21:00:46 <behanw> mranostay, I thought I had something which uses mPCIe but I can't seem to find it anymore.
Aug 07 21:00:50 <mshroyer> there's a miniPCIe compatible beaglebone black?
Aug 07 21:01:08 <mru> bitbang it on the pru :)
Aug 07 21:01:12 <mranostay> heh
Aug 07 21:01:15 * behanw must sort out my several boxes of embedded dev boards and such
Aug 07 21:01:20 <mshroyer> ah... nice
Aug 07 21:02:17 <jkridner> prpplague: http://beagleboard.org/support/BoneScript/processingjs/accelerometer/
Aug 07 21:06:39 <mru> KotH: http://jihadology.net/
Aug 07 21:07:12 <Vaizki> ooookay now none of us is getting into the US ever :)
Aug 07 21:13:30 <KotH> mru: thanks! cool site!
Aug 07 21:13:49 <KotH> now i can stench my thirst for JIHADy information!
Aug 07 21:15:32 <KotH> Vaizki: by joining this channel, you forfeit the right to enter US soil forever, lest you want to have a full body search at every flight and nice and long talk with some FBI agents every other flight
Aug 07 21:16:30 <KotH> Vaizki: at least, such is written at the bottom of the form which you sign upon entering here, in small print of course
Aug 07 21:18:44 <mru> last time I was in the US the TSA thought I had explosives
Aug 07 21:20:19 <Vaizki> did you?
Aug 07 21:20:26 <KotH> let me guess, you had a box full of beagles with you?
Aug 07 21:20:36 <mru> not even that
Aug 07 21:20:44 <Vaizki> plane full of snakes?
Aug 07 21:20:45 <KotH> rice with a cooking thermometer?
Aug 07 21:20:50 <mru> nope
Aug 07 21:20:56 <KotH> swiss chocolate?
Aug 07 21:21:19 <mru> their mass spectrometer gave a false positive reading
Aug 07 21:21:28 <KotH> eh..
Aug 07 21:21:30 <woglinde> gn
Aug 07 21:21:39 <KotH> nacht woglinde
Aug 07 21:21:49 <prpplague> behanw: well it was intended to go into a free mPCIe slot of a laptop
Aug 07 21:22:00 <mru> after I got 'randomly' selected for extra checking
Aug 07 21:22:29 <KotH> mru: we write the year 2013, we can detect smallest traces of anything anywhere. but we cannot figure out how to get rid of those false positives, let alone train TSA agents to probely use those delicate machines
Aug 07 21:22:54 <Vaizki> they always love to swab and triple-xrray my camera stuff
Aug 07 21:23:07 <mru> the germans are fond of doing that
Aug 07 21:23:09 <behanw> prpplague, Understood. Seems none of my current machines have a mPCIe slot anymore.
Aug 07 21:23:19 <behanw> One of the issues with ultrabooks.
Aug 07 21:23:22 <prpplague> behanw: interesting
Aug 07 21:23:36 <Vaizki> mru , yea them too. FraPort is always an extra stop at the bomb sniffer machine cubicle
Aug 07 21:23:43 <KotH> Vaizki: friend of mines, who travels to the us often, has his lenses broken on every third flight, because the TSA agents are not carefully handling those
Aug 07 21:24:00 <mru> Vaizki: yep, every time at FRA
Aug 07 21:24:20 <KotH> anways.. good night
Aug 07 21:24:31 <KotH> sleep well, and dont let this trigger switch go!
Aug 07 21:24:33 <Vaizki> broken when being swabbed for residue?
Aug 07 21:24:54 <KotH> Vaizki: yes, they accidentally drop them
Aug 07 21:24:56 <mranostay> heh geiger tubes in carry on is also fun :P
Aug 07 21:25:13 <mru> decent lenses should survive a drop
Aug 07 21:25:34 <Vaizki> wtf they've never dropped mine
Aug 07 21:25:37 <mru> the tsa people who searched my bags were actually careful
Aug 07 21:25:44 <prpplague> jkridner: that link suppose to do something?
Aug 07 21:25:47 * mranostay needs to get a pancake lense
Aug 07 21:25:55 <mru> where's the fun in that?
Aug 07 21:26:10 <jkridner> Do you have a BeagleBone with Bacon Cape connected to your computer?
Aug 07 21:26:11 <behanw> mranostay, Damnit. Now I want pancakes...
Aug 07 21:26:21 <jkridner> Also, you'll need to update BoneScript to 0.2.3.
Aug 07 21:26:26 <Vaizki> pancake lenses are fun
Aug 07 21:26:44 <mru> but they don't have 400mm focal length
Aug 07 21:27:29 <Vaizki> I don't own anything over 200mm right now so...
Aug 07 21:27:38 <mru> me neither, tbh
Aug 07 21:27:49 <mru> but I haven't heard of 200mm pancake either
Aug 07 21:28:21 <mru> how are those lenses made?
Aug 07 21:28:21 <mranostay> mru: what lenses do you have?
Aug 07 21:28:27 <mru> diffractive optics?
Aug 07 21:28:51 <mru> mranostay: 16-35, 24-105, 50, 70-200
Aug 07 21:29:25 <Vaizki> they are not diffractive, just smaller aperture primes with a few compromises more than usual maybe
Aug 07 21:29:51 <mru> I don't like the diffractive ones
Aug 07 21:29:57 <mru> they're compact, but the image looks weird
Aug 07 21:30:07 <Vaizki> I have the 40/2.8 canon and it's a nice one to keep in the pocket when single lensing around
Aug 07 21:30:23 <Vaizki> yea I used to have a 70-300 IS DO but got rid of it quick
Aug 07 21:30:58 <mru> I tried a few lenses in the 70-300 range at the shop
Aug 07 21:31:06 <mru> getting the 70-200 L was a no-brainer
Aug 07 21:31:54 <Vaizki> also the zoom was so stiff that I had to push-pull it from the lens hood.. pain
Aug 07 21:32:40 <Vaizki> yea I got the 70-200/4L IS and then later swapped to the 70-200L IS II
Aug 07 21:33:05 <m_billybob> So i wonder if we get to see another BBB user smash his $45 investment with a hammer today
Aug 07 21:33:25 <m_billybob> groups seems to indicate that it could be possible !
Aug 07 21:33:31 <mru> Vaizki: what body do you use?
Aug 07 21:33:38 <m_billybob> afternoon all
Aug 07 21:33:48 <Vaizki> 5D3
Aug 07 21:34:01 <Vaizki> and 5D"classic"
Aug 07 21:34:03 <mru> nice
Aug 07 21:34:47 <mru> I'm getting by with a 7D
Aug 07 21:34:53 <Vaizki> indeed, really loving it
Aug 07 21:34:55 <prpplague> jkridner: yes, i have one connected
Aug 07 21:35:10 <prpplague> jkridner: i assume since none of this works with firefox that i have to load chromium
Aug 07 21:35:16 <Vaizki> I am selling my 7D right now, I want to get rid of my crop
Aug 07 21:35:30 <mru> maybe next time I feel like spending a 4-digit amount of money I'll get a 5D
Aug 07 21:35:43 <m_billybob> lol
Aug 07 21:35:56 <m_billybob> 1d mark (whatever )
Aug 07 21:36:07 <m_billybob> or whatever the new pro mode lis
Aug 07 21:36:09 <mru> isn't it 1Dx now?
Aug 07 21:36:13 <Vaizki> yea it is
Aug 07 21:36:13 <m_billybob> model
Aug 07 21:36:17 <Vaizki> for stills
Aug 07 21:36:39 <mru> that's way more expensive than I can justify to myself
Aug 07 21:36:56 <Vaizki> I have a shitload of lenses too, I can't seem to let them go anymore
Aug 07 21:37:01 <m_billybob> 4 digits is more than i usually justify
Aug 07 21:37:08 <Vaizki> but I'm determined to sell the 7D + EF-S lenses now
Aug 07 21:37:09 <prpplague> jkridner: http://imagebin.org/266848
Aug 07 21:37:47 <mru> I use only L lenses now
Aug 07 21:37:50 <Vaizki> tbh, the 24-105 is used the most because the wife likes that
Aug 07 21:37:59 <m_billybob> mru i spent $550 for my body and kit lense, plus later spent around $400 on two seperate lenses
Aug 07 21:38:07 <mru> Vaizki: it's a nice lens
Aug 07 21:38:48 <Vaizki> yea I don't like the distortion at the wide end but in general it's not bad at all
Aug 07 21:39:00 <m_billybob> at one point i was a serious hobbyist i guess, for abotu a year lol now i just take pictures when i have time
Aug 07 21:39:07 <mru> the distortion isn't that bad
Aug 07 21:39:31 <Vaizki> I'm not a brick wall shooter but I know wht I like :)
Aug 07 21:39:48 <m_billybob> what is a brick wall shooter
Aug 07 21:39:59 <mru> when I notice distortion it does annoy me
Aug 07 21:40:08 <mru> but usually I don't with that lens
Aug 07 21:40:25 <mru> depends on what you like to take pictures of I suppose
Aug 07 21:40:52 <m_billybob> L are the cannon pro lenses right ?
Aug 07 21:40:57 <mru> yes
Aug 07 21:41:11 <Vaizki> Luxury
Aug 07 21:41:25 <m_billybob> yeah those are exspensive. friend of mine spent like $1400 on a zoom
Aug 07 21:41:31 <m_billybob> expensive
Aug 07 21:41:46 <mru> I spent almost that much on a prime
Aug 07 21:41:57 <mru> and that's still the low end of the price range
Aug 07 21:42:11 <Vaizki> 50/1.2?
Aug 07 21:42:14 <mru> yeah
Aug 07 21:42:23 <mru> fantastic lens
Aug 07 21:42:32 <m_billybob> I have one prime that is low cost, and one of the best for nikkor
Aug 07 21:42:56 <m_billybob> 50mm 1.8F
Aug 07 21:43:02 <m_billybob> $140
Aug 07 21:43:11 <mru> 1.8, bah
Aug 07 21:43:15 <m_billybob> one of hte best for Nikon, at least at that time
Aug 07 21:43:27 <m_billybob> well the 1.2 was #1200 lol
Aug 07 21:43:35 <m_billybob> $1200*
Aug 07 21:43:49 <m_billybob> its an excellent portrait lense very sharp
Aug 07 21:44:20 * mranostay frys up some potato pancakes for behanw 
Aug 07 21:44:32 <behanw> Yay!
Aug 07 21:44:35 <Vaizki> I have.. 14/2.8, 35/1.4L, 40/2.8, 85/1.8, 100/2.8L IS, 70-200L IS II, 24-105/4L, 17-40/4L, 135/2L, 17-55/2.8IS, 10-22,
Aug 07 21:44:43 <m_billybob> so, what are you all up today besides talkign camera gear ?
Aug 07 21:44:44 <Vaizki> and some more :D
Aug 07 21:44:57 <mranostay> pretend to work?
Aug 07 21:45:05 <Vaizki> I need to dump some of that stuff
Aug 07 21:45:14 <m_billybob> Vaizki, gimme, ill buy a new car with all that glass :P
Aug 07 21:45:17 <m_billybob> or 1k BBBs
Aug 07 21:45:24 <m_billybob> ;)
Aug 07 21:45:33 <behanw> m_billybob, compiling.
Aug 07 21:46:51 <m_billybob> today must be bash Angstrom day again
Aug 07 21:47:04 <m_billybob> couple unhappy campers on the groups
Aug 07 21:47:06 <mru> I have a 'thrifty fifty' too but I don't use it any more
Aug 07 21:47:08 <mru> anyone want it?
Aug 07 21:47:25 <Vaizki> I still need a 24/1.4L and to get rid of the EF-S stuff
Aug 07 21:47:30 <Vaizki> not sure if I want a 50
Aug 07 21:47:40 <m_billybob> hows the distortion on that 24
Aug 07 21:47:46 <Vaizki> I prefer the 40's view
Aug 07 21:47:59 <Vaizki> the 24/1.4L II is fine
Aug 07 21:48:08 <m_billybob> is that a sigma ?
Aug 07 21:48:23 <mru> sigma, bah
Aug 07 21:48:27 <Vaizki> no canon
Aug 07 21:48:35 <m_billybob> sigma makes *some* good glass
Aug 07 21:48:51 <Vaizki> they try very hard with the new models they're putting out
Aug 07 21:48:52 <mru> mostly their stuff is just cheap
Aug 07 21:49:15 <mru> they do have some interesting things like the 50-500
Aug 07 21:49:19 <m_billybob> their red ring stuf is supposed to be comparrible to cannons L series
Aug 07 21:49:35 <m_billybob> well some of it
Aug 07 21:50:07 <m_billybob> anyhow i dont own anything by sigma either
Aug 07 21:50:24 <Vaizki> sigma doesn't do red rings
Aug 07 21:50:35 <m_billybob> must be thinking of someone else
Aug 07 21:51:01 <Vaizki> canon does...
Aug 07 21:51:03 <m_billybob> I am not a pro, but did have a friend who was, but hes been gone now for a few months
Aug 07 21:51:07 <m_billybob> well someone else does too
Aug 07 21:51:17 <m_billybob> there is signma and who else does inexpensive lenses
Aug 07 21:51:24 <Vaizki> gone? he's dead?
Aug 07 21:51:24 <m_billybob> sigma*
Aug 07 21:51:30 <m_billybob> yeah unfortunately
Aug 07 21:51:38 <Vaizki> damn.. sorry 'bout that :P
Aug 07 21:51:47 <m_billybob> last survivor of white sands
Aug 07 21:52:46 <mru> tamron?
Aug 07 21:52:56 <m_billybob> yeah that possibly whom i thinking of
Aug 07 21:53:36 <m_billybob> all the stuff i bought at a price point based on his opinion, but he reccommend several possible tamron and signma lenses to me
Aug 07 21:54:18 <m_billybob> Most of it was based on carl zeiss glass
Aug 07 21:54:36 <mru> it's more than just the glass
Aug 07 21:54:58 <mru> things like AF speed and accuracy matter too
Aug 07 21:55:03 <mru> and general build quality
Aug 07 21:55:17 <Vaizki> weather sealing, full time manual focus...
Aug 07 21:55:27 <mru> overall handling
Aug 07 21:55:41 <mru> like zoom not being too tight but also not slipping
Aug 07 21:56:28 <m_billybob> sure
Aug 07 21:56:38 <Vaizki> are we talking sex toys now or still cameras?
Aug 07 21:56:51 <m_billybob> the reason why i bought that 5mm lense is that it is unbeatable for the price.
Aug 07 21:56:54 <mranostay> cameras are sex
Aug 07 21:56:55 <Vaizki> which reminds me it's time to sleep
Aug 07 21:57:06 <m_billybob> but i quite coding for 3 years, needed another hobby to keep me busy
Aug 07 21:57:06 <mru> Vaizki: does it have to be either one or the other?
Aug 07 21:58:15 <m_billybob> 50mm ^^^
Aug 07 21:58:30 <Vaizki> you can talk hinged herring oiling if you want, I'm sleeping
Aug 07 21:58:53 <BlurredLines> the beaglebone black is pretty sweet!
Aug 07 21:59:08 <m_billybob> you think ?
Aug 07 21:59:20 <Vaizki> you'll get to the bitter part soon, keep chewing
Aug 07 21:59:34 <BlurredLines> I do, I just powered it on
Aug 07 22:00:20 <BlurredLines> do you know where i can find the pinouts for the gpio?
Aug 07 22:00:57 <prpplague> BlurredLines: they are included on the schematics as well as on a number of wiki pages
Aug 07 22:01:23 <prpplague> BlurredLines: http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBone#Expansion_Connectors
Aug 07 22:01:55 <BlurredLines> thanks a lot plague!
Aug 07 22:02:16 <prpplague> BlurredLines: most of the pins can be configured for multiple functions as well as gpio
Aug 07 22:02:20 <Vaizki> the system reference manual is your friend
Aug 07 22:03:07 <prpplague> BlurredLines: http://beagleboard.org/Getting%20Started
Aug 07 22:03:16 <prpplague> Vaizki: bitter part?
Aug 07 22:03:17 <BlurredLines> plague, very cool, I am going to attempt to bang around a stepper motor
Aug 07 22:03:36 <prpplague> BlurredLines: there are many projects that are documented on doing that
Aug 07 22:03:46 <prpplague> BlurredLines: google can locate them with a little searching
Aug 07 22:05:49 <BlurredLines> thank you plague, i've got it up
Aug 07 22:12:13 <CareBear\> prpplague : howdy
Aug 07 22:12:23 <prpplague> CareBear\: hey bud
Aug 07 22:12:27 <prpplague> CareBear\: what's cookin?
Aug 07 22:12:28 <CareBear\> prpplague : is it about time to consider elce?
Aug 07 22:12:42 <prpplague> CareBear\: in what way?
Aug 07 22:12:50 <CareBear\> prpplague : well I'm back home from one vacation and am planning the next one in two weeks :)
Aug 07 22:13:12 <CareBear\> prpplague : re elce, I'm not sure that I'll go
Aug 07 22:13:15 <m_billybob> must be nice
Aug 07 22:13:25 <prpplague> CareBear\: ahh right
Aug 07 22:13:44 <CareBear\> prpplague : I mean, I could try to do another useful talk on OpenOCD but I'm not sure..
Aug 07 22:13:45 <prpplague> CareBear\: yea, until we hear what's on the agenda, i'm not sure i am going either
Aug 07 22:13:52 <prpplague> CareBear\: CFP is already closed
Aug 07 22:13:56 <CareBear\> oh there we go
Aug 07 22:27:00 <mru> cfp is closed but where are the damn acceptance notifications?
Aug 07 22:27:12 <mru> they're a week overdue
Aug 07 22:29:39 <CareBear\> maybe you didn't get accepted..
Aug 07 22:29:49 <mru> it says 'under review'
Aug 07 22:30:11 <mru> and so does everybody's apparently
Aug 07 22:34:50 <mranostay> it is pissing me off
Aug 07 22:35:09 <mru> it is typical
Aug 07 22:36:39 <_av500_> there are being thorough this time
Aug 07 22:37:06 <mranostay> _av500_: for what?
Aug 07 22:37:12 <_av500_> they are
Aug 07 22:37:19 <_av500_> spot any illegla bitbanging
Aug 07 22:37:40 <_av500_> or trailing whitespace in examples
Aug 07 22:38:15 <kfoltman> what's the punishment for illegal bigbanging? 3 years of busy looping?
Aug 07 22:39:41 <mranostay> job at the raspyberry pi foundation
Aug 07 22:40:04 <mru> as chief bitbanging officer?
Aug 07 22:41:21 <kfoltman> mru: as a chief USB developer
Aug 07 22:57:52 <_troll_> grr, power went out
Aug 07 22:59:42 <kfoltman> trolls, unplugged
Aug 07 23:02:46 <_troll_> good thing I got that ups
Aug 07 23:05:15 <m_billybob> heh
Aug 07 23:06:36 * kfoltman sings "Coin... operated troll..."
Aug 07 23:07:06 <m_billybob> "Just can't bring a good troll down . . ."
Aug 07 23:07:50 <jsantell_> hey all, anyone have experience with browser hardware acceleration? anything like webgl or html5 games running on a beagle?
Aug 07 23:08:08 <m_billybob> not yet that im aware of be the first.
Aug 07 23:18:47 <jsantell_> m_billybob: hmm ok!
Aug 07 23:20:52 <tolip> newby-question I'm trying to compile a program on Angstrom. I feel like I'm heading into missing library hell (usblib and udev so far). I stopped before the udev step because then I suspect a udev .rules hell is on the other side of that...  Am I correct that Angstrom may not be worth persuing? Will a boot to uSD version of Angstrom be any better?  Should I bail on Angstrom and get another distro?
Aug 07 23:25:59 <ion> I just went with Debian because i was already familiar with it, and it came with working GHC for Arm. YMMV.
Aug 07 23:27:42 <mrpackethead> tolip: i use debian on my BBB, because i'm familar with it, and i've not had any performance or usablity isssues
Aug 07 23:28:35 <mrpackethead> the angstrom trolls love it, but theres not many of them
Aug 07 23:28:38 <mrpackethead> ( trolls that is )
Aug 07 23:51:36 <codewithpassion> hi there!
Aug 07 23:51:52 <tolip> mrpackethead: is deb LCD3 friendly? do you know if other distro's are?  I'm a Slacker, and it's no picnic on a PC, I can just imagine the fun involved with Slackbone
Aug 07 23:56:37 <mranostay> ah ...
Aug 08 00:01:53 <brimestone> has anyone had a luck with webcam and BBB?
Aug 08 00:02:24 <_troll_> power is back, network still out
Aug 08 00:03:44 <m_billybob> and yet the troll keeps on keeping on ;)
Aug 08 00:53:59 <prpplague> mranostay: any word on the ELCE program?
Aug 08 01:27:59 <mranostay> prpplague: still "under review"
Aug 08 01:30:41 <SilicaGel> :)
Aug 08 01:32:12 * mranostay is starting not to care
Aug 08 01:39:51 * mranostay looks for foood
Aug 08 01:39:55 <mranostay> and not SilicaGel
Aug 08 01:41:08 * SilicaGel is not tasty
Aug 08 02:12:36 <hoagieman> Could anyone shed some light on cross compiling from a linux machine to my armhf ubuntu BBB?
Aug 08 02:13:29 <hoagieman> I have c++ code that compiles fine on my linux OS PC, but I would like to create a bin version for my BBB.
Aug 08 02:21:06 <thurgood> do you have a cross compiling toolchain yet?
Aug 08 02:35:03 <BlurredLines> hi all, this may seem like a silly question but I have been trying to get a GPIO pin setup as an output and I get a steady 3.3v on all my IO
Aug 08 02:35:25 <BlurredLines> Any idea why/
Aug 08 02:38:39 <thurgood> without a little more background on what you tried.. no
Aug 08 02:42:55 <BlurredLines> thurgood, sorry, brand new to the BBB. I have a simple cloud9 program using "var ledPin = 'P8_3';", "b.pinMode(ledPin, b.OUTPUT);" and "b.digitalWrite(ledPin, b.HIGH);"
Aug 08 02:43:20 <BlurredLines> I have it hooked up via USB
Aug 08 02:44:50 <BlurredLines> It is actually the demo blinkled.js it came with, i changed the pin from 13 to 3
Aug 08 02:45:27 <BlurredLines> Ideally I would like to get a stepper motor to turn
Aug 08 02:46:59 <thurgood> can't say I'm very familiar with cloud9 but generally when dealing with GPIO you have to export the pin first to set it up for GPIO use
Aug 08 02:49:50 <BlurredLines> What do you mean by export the pin? What seems to be the most popular programming platform for the BBB?
Aug 08 02:51:41 <alexlist> hoagieman: http://datko.net/2013/05/06/cross-compiling-applications-for-the-beaglebone/
Aug 08 02:51:43 <thurgood> depends on what you're doing, if you're going to write a proper driver you'd probably want to do it in C, but that's not strictly a requirement
Aug 08 02:52:06 <BlurredLines> Even when reset and powered back up I have 3.3v on myIO pins, does the board need to be supplied externally for the IO? I know the PLC's I've worked on need an external supply
Aug 08 02:54:08 <thurgood> to export a pin from the command line for instance you'd use `echo $pin > /sys/class/gpio/export`
Aug 08 02:54:11 <BlurredLines> I was seeing the same thing on my SN7544 h-bridge
Aug 08 02:54:32 <thurgood> where $pin would have the number of the pin you wanted to export
Aug 08 02:55:03 <BlurredLines> I see
Aug 08 02:55:37 <m_billybob> yeah i dont know cloud9 very well either but hmm mnost likely the pins cloud9 uses are already setup as GPIO through the BBB board device tree "blob"
Aug 08 02:56:12 <thurgood> you probably wouldn't want to drive a motor just off the gpio power, but if you need command signals they're good for that
Aug 08 02:56:58 <m_billybob> BlurredLines, as some semi prerequisite material. You can watch Derrek Molloy's recent youtube video about device tree on the beaglebone. then you may have a much better understanding of what we mean
Aug 08 02:57:21 <BlurredLines> I have them going to a L293 h-bridge
Aug 08 02:57:45 <BlurredLines> thank you billybob, I certainly will
Aug 08 02:57:56 <m_billybob> its actually a very good intro video
Aug 08 02:58:20 <m_billybob> just keep in mind it has nothign directly to do with cloud9 and bonescript
Aug 08 02:59:23 <hoagieman> Hello anyone here?
Aug 08 02:59:27 <hoagieman> Thurgood
Aug 08 02:59:45 <hoagieman> I have tried the Codesourcery workbench lite
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