**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 09 02:59:59 2013 Aug 09 03:03:09 does the onboard flash on BBB have the same write cycle life as SHDC cards? Aug 09 03:07:09 funkster no, it should be much beter. its a Micron flash chip Aug 09 03:07:16 for anyone interrested Aug 09 03:07:18 http://forum.beaglefu.com/topic/131-beaglebone-controls-low-earth-orbit-satellite-tracker/ Aug 09 03:08:00 pretty cool project. Aug 09 03:09:12 funkster although if you're thinking of developing / writting code for the bbb, on the bbb it would behoove you to use an alternative rootfs at least ( NFS root or somethign similar ) Aug 09 03:10:02 especially if you write code like i do. Which is to say compile often Aug 09 03:10:07 m_billybob: oh yeah? whys that a good suggestion? Aug 09 03:10:55 funkster you can netbootdo rootfs over NFS ( netboot also requires tftp ) or boot from a USB HDD Aug 09 03:11:32 http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/ i have a few guides there for debian. the netboot guide also works for ARCH but wont work for ubuntu fedora or angstrom Aug 09 03:11:45 usb boot should work for all although i have not tested on anythign but debian Aug 09 03:12:21 the USB hdd boot guide is the most generic guide of them all atleast in the way ive wrten it Aug 09 03:12:31 ahh. to save on writes. gotcha Aug 09 03:12:44 exactly Aug 09 03:14:34 how about small usb flash drive? Aug 09 03:14:50 as in ssd ? or USB keychain flash ? Aug 09 03:15:03 usb keychain flash Aug 09 03:15:39 My thoughtson that wpould be most USB keychain flash is slow slow slow( dog slow ) plus is still flash so also going ot fai lat some point . . . Aug 09 03:15:54 it should work though Aug 09 03:16:08 yeah. i hear you. Aug 09 03:16:32 with a USB hdd and a crappy ATA<->USB controller i get 11MB/s reads, and 20+MB/s writes Aug 09 03:17:18 that controller also support nothign in the way of special commands as reported by hdparm though too a better controller would likely get much better speeds Aug 09 03:18:08 I may have one in about a week the only other powered USB drive i have is USB3 and i dotn really want to "waste" it on this just yet Aug 09 03:18:24 that controller is super fast Aug 09 03:19:06 Anyways not a bragging rights thing, just a consideration when it comes time to compile applications on the BBB Aug 09 03:19:49 The onboard BBB ethernet PHY is also very fast, but of course cant match USB Aug 09 03:20:26 right. yeah i will only compile for first few days to get things running Aug 09 03:21:19 USB boot if you're fairly familiar with linux and able to follow my instructions there should only take abotu an hour or two Aug 09 03:21:41 if you're vey good with linux it could take as little as 30 minutes Aug 09 03:21:45 to set everythign up Aug 09 03:22:47 if i am correct in my assumption. you should be able to take any bootable copy of any distro for the BBB and just strip out the needed bits to get it working Aug 09 03:35:19 ding dong beagle trol ding coffee beer chocolate dt Aug 09 03:36:00 opencv bricked exactsteps ubuntu raspberrypi Aug 09 03:36:14 why wont' you help me immediatley Aug 09 03:38:37 lol Aug 09 03:38:45 evening mrpackethead Aug 09 03:38:50 m_billybob: dont' yopu understand my question Aug 09 03:39:00 :-) Aug 09 03:39:03 hows everyone going Aug 09 03:39:03 ;) Aug 09 03:39:13 going just fine here actually Aug 09 03:39:19 just starting to cool off nicely Aug 09 03:39:26 feels gooder Aug 09 03:40:12 i've just finishing imaging 12 beagles Aug 09 03:40:24 doing that over the network ? Aug 09 03:40:35 flash image Aug 09 03:40:38 over A network Aug 09 03:40:51 ah Aug 09 03:40:57 * mranostay flashes the channel Aug 09 03:41:03 more lightshow fodder ill assume Aug 09 03:41:07 mranostay: we dont' ahve a microscope Aug 09 03:41:11 * m_billybob is perminently blinded Aug 09 03:41:33 yes, we have so much build going on at the momenet Aug 09 03:41:39 i've moved back out of work Aug 09 03:41:43 given up my office Aug 09 03:41:46 and moved back home Aug 09 03:41:58 its quite good actually Aug 09 03:41:58 ah workign form home is muc bettter anyhow Aug 09 03:42:11 its good to be the boss ? Aug 09 03:42:12 We need a bigger building Aug 09 03:42:17 no, being the boss sucks Aug 09 03:42:28 there is little satisifcation in being a boss Aug 09 03:42:37 such as workign from home ;) Aug 09 03:43:04 but then while thecats away . . . Aug 09 03:43:10 i only was in the office 20% of the time anyway Aug 09 03:43:18 while the cats away, the mice are working hard Aug 09 03:43:28 chained to their desks ? Aug 09 03:43:35 nup Aug 09 03:43:37 why woudl you do that Aug 09 03:43:41 thats nuts Aug 09 03:43:49 yeah i was serious too :/ Aug 09 03:43:49 coupel of simple managment rules Aug 09 03:44:02 treat people the wya that you would like to be treated Aug 09 03:44:04 be fair Aug 09 03:44:07 be honest Aug 09 03:44:09 be resoansble Aug 09 03:44:11 understood completely Aug 09 03:44:33 take the time to get to know your staff Aug 09 03:44:34 how they work Aug 09 03:44:37 what motivates them Aug 09 03:44:47 I have some staff who love "rules and order" Aug 09 03:44:51 procedure and policy Aug 09 03:44:52 thats cool Aug 09 03:44:58 they do the accounts and stuff Aug 09 03:45:01 me, id be at my desk trying to figure some convoluted way to boot the biggest baddest SAS drive we had in house ( fro mteh BBB ) Aug 09 03:45:19 I have some staff who are best motivated by not giving them any instructions Aug 09 03:45:29 and continously dropping them in on problems they dont' know how to sovle Aug 09 03:45:39 work ethic downunder much be much better than here in the US Aug 09 03:45:50 no its not Aug 09 03:45:52 must be much better* Aug 09 03:46:02 theres so many crap employers and employees Aug 09 03:46:02 we have some real duchbags here Aug 09 03:46:07 so do we Aug 09 03:46:11 hmmmmm Aug 09 03:46:20 but (a) i dont' hire cheap Aug 09 03:46:27 and i (b) treat people well Aug 09 03:46:48 i reckin i get more than 200% better results by paying 20% higher than the average median eages Aug 09 03:47:27 sounds like id like ot work for you Aug 09 03:47:35 yes but you can get 5x the people getting 20% results by paying 80% less Aug 09 03:47:44 most people ive worked for a real pieces of excriment. Aug 09 03:48:21 are real* PoS's Aug 09 03:48:31 ds2, interesting logic Aug 09 03:49:02 mrpackethead: that's why I was told by mgmt as the reason for offshoring Aug 09 03:49:21 offshoring sort of works though Aug 09 03:49:53 so does a easy bake oven making cakes Aug 09 03:50:04 heh heh Aug 09 03:51:18 well i dont really work for anyone anymore, and I am loving it. Pretty much set my own schedule, and as logn as thigns get done, all is good Aug 09 03:52:07 but i couldnt do that doing what you do mrpackethead id imagine youall are pretty busy Aug 09 03:55:20 mrpackethead: whats typ eof company do you run/work for? Aug 09 03:56:14 funkster from what little I do know, think something like disneys "glow with the show" different for mat though Aug 09 03:56:21 format* Aug 09 03:56:26 lightshows Aug 09 03:57:23 mrpackethead do you have a website landing page ? Aug 09 03:57:25 oh wow. that stuff looks amazing Aug 09 03:59:39 mrpackethead or any video of a lightshow ? that'd be worth a watch Aug 09 04:02:53 finally got half my order placed for my project Aug 09 04:05:01 let's hope by some stroke of luck that this will be one of those surprisingly fast DX orders Aug 09 04:05:13 and not one of the 5 week ones. Aug 09 04:13:42 funkster: we build lighting systems Aug 09 04:14:04 mrpackethead: awesome, got example of what they look like? Aug 09 04:14:20 just getting A LINK Aug 09 04:14:36 sweet Aug 09 04:14:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuZQFeFIp7A Aug 09 04:15:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwCt_CTNzdE Aug 09 04:15:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI_AE3fikvg Aug 09 04:16:03 oh wow.. niiice! Aug 09 04:16:21 beagles are running this all? Aug 09 04:16:29 that's pretty nifty. Aug 09 04:17:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIX2aBrPacA&list=PL51QBo_QOBe-h1OQQqaqNFTI4PMyybJWU Aug 09 04:17:32 no, not beagles Aug 09 04:17:55 but some shows now will have beagle based elements in them Aug 09 04:18:04 that last one, is mentl Aug 09 04:18:13 that is someones house! Aug 09 04:18:18 a private show! Aug 09 04:18:33 daaaamn! Aug 09 04:19:24 thats amazing Aug 09 04:19:40 theres heaps of cool stuff we do Aug 09 04:19:48 but im not allowqed to talk about Aug 09 04:21:09 so who designs the light shows? Aug 09 04:24:23 lol is that a fog machine i see in the last video ? Aug 09 04:24:51 hmm guess not much be the video im watching at a low rate Aug 09 04:26:09 mrpackethead for a job though that has to be right up there with one of the funnest. Aug 09 04:32:56 m_billybob: yeah, some smoke Aug 09 04:50:02 puff puff pass Aug 09 05:03:47 I am in the proccess of firming up a terrible idea Aug 09 05:04:08 tunnelling binary streams over SMS Aug 09 05:05:05 I think at 140 chars of 8-bit symbols, there's a very real chance of it taking sub-2-hour timeframe to send a 300kP image Aug 09 05:05:08 lol Aug 09 05:10:48 is there a bonescript PWM module? Aug 09 05:11:54 there's an Adafruit_BBIO one Aug 09 05:12:16 yeah.. but im looking for something outsite python Aug 09 05:12:21 **outside Aug 09 05:12:51 canid: is there one that gives me a frequency counter that you know of? Aug 09 05:13:35 or do i have to just rely on my own code counting time and interrupts Aug 09 05:14:03 tedsimbajon: I can't see why bonescript couldn't easily implement one Aug 09 05:14:08 it's timer/calback driven Aug 09 05:14:33 Stoob: bonescript, or the adafruit lib? Aug 09 05:14:59 both keep in mind I haven't have the opportunity to acualy use either lib, as I don't have bone BBBs yet Aug 09 05:15:33 canid: either, really Aug 09 05:16:16 canid: so there is no PWM for bonescript? Aug 09 05:17:24 brimestone: http://beagleboard.org/Support/BoneScript/analogWrite/ Aug 09 05:18:36 analogWrite() on certain pins :) Aug 09 05:19:51 brimestone: it looks like pwm to me :p Aug 09 05:20:07 :p Aug 09 05:20:16 I haven't seen anything PWM specific, but it would only require a pair of timer/counter and twiddling the pin Aug 09 05:20:20 don't know exactly why they are but yeah Aug 09 05:21:18 im a newbie in hardware.. has anyone done High voltage Relay stuff? Aug 09 05:21:38 not with the beagle, but yes Aug 09 05:21:43 Hi guys, I am having problems with ssh, can anyone help me please ? Aug 09 05:21:46 why not? Aug 09 05:22:26 well luckily i don't need high frequency counting, just like 20-200hz Aug 09 05:23:11 software PWM on a non-realtime OS might be kinda flaky Aug 09 05:23:28 if it doesn't prove to suit your needs, you could alway use an external device Aug 09 05:23:45 plenty of PWM chips on the market Aug 09 05:23:50 yeah if i were doing anything beyond 1khz, I'd be worried doing it software on linux Aug 09 05:24:14 but I got no problems 20-200hz (though I presume you're meaning brimestone) Aug 09 05:24:48 I wonder if they'll ever finally get RTAI squared away on linux-arm Aug 09 05:25:09 would be mad cool to be able to run EMC-2 on a beagle or pi Aug 09 05:25:21 huh? about Relay? Aug 09 05:26:29 brimestone: earlier I said I had done HV relay stuff, but haven't on beagle. The last thing was just random musing. Aug 09 05:27:27 oh i see. got confused with the 20-200hz that Stoob said Aug 09 05:27:38 oh yeah Aug 09 05:27:52 i dont think i would operate any mech relays above 1hz tbh :P Aug 09 05:28:01 clickclack Aug 09 05:28:57 so timer is one concern with HV and BBB? Aug 09 05:28:58 Stoob: yeah, but he did't say if he needed to swich them that quickly, or if he merely wanted that level of precision in his timing/switching logic Aug 09 05:29:18 brimestone: it could be, depending on your application. Aug 09 05:29:31 hmmm well i dont really have any.. Aug 09 05:29:51 i been playing around with Arduino Uno but never did anything.. Aug 09 05:30:05 remember though that mains AC only even cycles at around 50 or 60hz. Aug 09 05:30:08 canid: he didnt say anythnig about qhat freqs he wanted Aug 09 05:30:35 with BBB, i feel good about it.. 1 idea is to completely automate Beer Brewing.. Aug 09 05:31:22 so mainly relay for pumps, burners sensors for Temp, pH, Pressure Aug 09 05:31:58 e.g. switched periods fast enough to fall between those cycles could even change the aparent voltage. Aug 09 05:32:43 with an embedded controller, you could concievably switch an ac load precisely enough to fall only at non peak potential in the wave. Aug 09 05:32:53 at least, it seems so, I've never actually tried it. Aug 09 05:33:09 canid: I have occasionally thought about doing switching PSUs without a transformer at all Aug 09 05:33:32 on that principle exactly Aug 09 05:34:13 sorry guys.. too slow here.. having a duty cycle of 1Hz+ is bad? Aug 09 05:34:28 brimestone: disregard us we're being silly Aug 09 05:34:36 we really and truly are. Aug 09 05:34:46 but yeah usually you don't want to switch mechanical relays faster than once or twice a second Aug 09 05:34:58 me like a baby right now.. absorbing everything i can Aug 09 05:35:16 you can get SCRs and such that do much much faster switching times but there's less isolation and whatnot Aug 09 05:35:35 agree, and im planing to do it via software Aug 09 05:35:49 http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt106/canid/Walker%20Controls/IMG_20130318_123348_892_zps902b44c9.jpg Aug 09 05:35:51 if you're doing beer brewing, you aren't likely to be switching anything faster than 1hz anyway Aug 09 05:35:54 how's that for HV controls? Aug 09 05:36:03 either run a mySQL server and have modules or running daemon check values on sql Aug 09 05:39:31 protip: as that compressor shipped from the factory, the controls were on what would have been the high leg of the customer's service if I hadn't checked. Aug 09 05:39:44 the controls were not 208V tolerant. Aug 09 05:42:40 canid: was it 3-phase stuff/ Aug 09 05:45:39 Stroob: yea. with single phase 120v controls placed on what would have been the high leg when it was hooked up Aug 09 05:47:24 fun fun Aug 09 05:49:51 :s/Stroob/Stoob/g Aug 09 05:49:52 sorry Aug 09 05:50:19 how dare you call me stroob Aug 09 05:50:22 lol Aug 09 05:50:29 Stoob iso opticouplers Aug 09 05:50:56 wat Aug 09 05:51:03 isolation. Aug 09 05:52:24 pH sensors...is htere a cheap way of doing that? Aug 09 05:52:31 canid, as for the switching freq's for voltage, dotn know about AC but you'd want a transformer flyback config for better efficiency. Aug 09 05:53:08 really depends on application i guess, im not an expert but have done a bit of reading on it Aug 09 05:53:22 stupid vague instructions Aug 09 05:53:34 I was verbally approved to spend up to $300 Aug 09 05:53:52 to buy hardware to build two prototypes for a project Aug 09 05:54:08 vs $150 to build 1 Aug 09 05:54:22 the account was then credited, first wiht $300 Aug 09 05:54:30 then a second time with $150 Aug 09 05:54:51 sounds like enough for 3 prototypes to me ! Aug 09 05:54:59 the $300 having not yet cleared, I made half the order Aug 09 05:55:14 to wait for the rest to clear before buying the controllers Aug 09 05:55:40 then was told to hold off on making any more large purchases until I hear back Aug 09 05:56:09 $300 is a large purchase ? Aug 09 05:56:24 with no clarification as to whether that means not to buy the controllers yet, or whether it means a not to make any large purchases beyond that Aug 09 05:56:37 and no clarification of what 'large purchases' means Aug 09 05:56:57 sounds like you need to seek "the man' Aug 09 05:57:17 large in terms of the $300 budget the project is suposed to have Aug 09 05:57:37 and with the two credits to the account standing to further confuse matters Aug 09 05:57:47 sounds like you need to go talk to the head honcho to make sure thigns are clear Aug 09 05:57:53 word Aug 09 05:58:02 and make things clear that you've not stollen anything Aug 09 05:58:15 canid: what are you doing for pH probes? Aug 09 05:58:20 sounds like a back stab waiting to happen Aug 09 05:58:54 ds2: I'm not doing anything Aug 09 05:59:57 m_billybob: On the other hand, there's also a visa card tied to this account. I could just cash out and abscond to French Guiana Aug 09 06:00:02 canid: so no pH monitoring? Aug 09 06:00:07 start a new life under an assumed name :D Aug 09 06:00:18 ds2: not I. Aug 09 06:00:18 for like what ? 5 minutes ? Aug 09 06:00:34 canid: what do you need done in the $150? Aug 09 06:00:46 m_billybob: that's time enough for 1 umbrella drink Aug 09 06:00:48 ;) Aug 09 06:00:51 heh Aug 09 06:02:00 ds2: I'm pairing a linux-arm controller (BBB) with some sensors, relay control and PWM/MOSFET driver, a camera and a GSM/GPRS/3g module Aug 09 06:02:03 augh i hate sitting here with my stuff that needs more components to build properly Aug 09 06:02:32 canid: oh... that's be tight for $150 Aug 09 06:02:53 concievably, I need to be able to read some CTs, listen for loud sunds, actuate momentary buttons and switch relays Aug 09 06:03:21 CT? Aug 09 06:03:26 Cat scans? Aug 09 06:03:28 current transformers Aug 09 06:03:32 voltage monitoring Aug 09 06:03:44 It's going to be a big, fun project Aug 09 06:03:47 oh Aug 09 06:04:05 watch out on the current xformers Aug 09 06:04:18 doing things wrong can lead to HV Aug 09 06:04:32 * Stoob plugs the BBB into its own usb port Aug 09 06:04:35 I'll be careful about voltage spikes Aug 09 06:04:47 Stoob: that's how you end up in another dimmension! Aug 09 06:04:51 lol Aug 09 06:05:01 nothing can stop me now Aug 09 06:07:01 the bi@#$ is going to be getting data in a bad coverage area Aug 09 06:07:15 I'm honsestly thinking about tunneling binary data through SMS Aug 09 06:07:16 lol Aug 09 06:08:34 "With the marvels of modern hackery, you too could be sending 640x480 images in under two hours!" Aug 09 06:09:19 the cell companies will likely stop you before you get your first image through Aug 09 06:09:20 :( Aug 09 06:09:45 If they say unlimited SMS, I'm holding them to it, darn it! Aug 09 06:09:48 jk Aug 09 06:13:02 i dont get it .. i missing the wak_m3 stuff .. Aug 09 06:29:57 canid: I used to do that for a living, I'd say it's a last resort thing :) Aug 09 06:59:04 ich grüsse euch trolle des virtuellen landes! Aug 09 07:33:03 ahoi Aug 09 07:43:56 prpplague: asleep? Aug 09 07:46:14 I would be... Aug 09 07:51:01 If I had any good sense I would be also. Aug 09 07:52:03 Hi Aug 09 07:52:16 Hi Aug 09 07:52:22 anybody online Aug 09 07:52:33 I have a query regarding beaglebone black Aug 09 07:52:53 can anyone help me regarding the same???? Aug 09 07:53:01 no Aug 09 07:55:34 pastably Aug 09 07:57:39 in general; don't ask to ask. Just ask. Aug 09 08:03:06 there I go not even noticing that guest already left Aug 09 08:03:32 I'm having mad fun with this silly SMS tunneling distraction Aug 09 08:04:10 you should see a doctor Aug 09 08:04:40 I'm beyond any useful degree of professional help Aug 09 08:06:43 maybe a vet then Aug 09 08:07:40 that might be just the ticket Aug 09 08:20:59 Where can i download the latest kernel source of beaglebone ? Aug 09 08:24:23 https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8 Aug 09 08:24:48 checkout the 3.8 branch and run the script Aug 09 08:29:39 hmm why does it say USB gadget: not working? Aug 09 08:30:51 no idea Aug 09 08:30:57 maybe it was at a time Aug 09 08:31:01 it depends on the gadget Aug 09 08:31:05 eth and serial work Aug 09 08:32:36 tahahah Aug 09 08:32:44 I need to implement some sort of compression Aug 09 08:32:52 use a vise Aug 09 08:33:03 or a hammer Aug 09 08:33:08 I'm looking at almost 800 messages under my current sceme Aug 09 08:33:27 :s/sceme/scheme/g Aug 09 08:34:43 hi av500 Aug 09 08:34:54 lo mranostay Aug 09 08:35:35 2 people reading the README in 2 days Aug 09 08:35:37 a record! Aug 09 08:35:38 av500: troll my blog yet? Aug 09 08:35:43 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 2 new commits to 3.8: http://git.io/UcjOqA Aug 09 08:35:43 kernel/3.8 8def976 Koen Kooi: 3.8: enable ath9k_htc for beaglebone... Aug 09 08:35:43 kernel/3.8 2e9ae82 Koen Kooi: 3.8: update README to match current status... Aug 09 08:35:45 blog? Aug 09 08:35:56 did I miss a memo? Aug 09 08:37:12 ah Aug 09 08:37:54 canid: compress images? why?! :D Aug 09 08:38:12 * mranostay thinks his blog title is little different than his coworkers Aug 09 08:38:31 got it down to 119 Aug 09 08:38:49 a blögg? Aug 09 08:39:01 blagoblag Aug 09 08:39:30 canid: you are using binary messages without any udh crap, right? Aug 09 08:40:43 right now I'm just re-encoding the individual bytes for the SMS payload Aug 09 08:40:59 re-encoding to what? Aug 09 08:41:12 and they're going to need their own header in side the payload space Aug 09 08:41:24 it's 8 bit clean, no need to re-encode Aug 09 08:41:39 right now, integers, but that's pretty wasteful Aug 09 08:41:55 :D Aug 09 08:42:01 since I have the whole 7-bit ASCII range to play in Aug 09 08:42:06 unless I got that wrong Aug 09 08:42:08 just set DCS to 4 and you can stuff in 140 bytes of raw data Aug 09 08:42:20 140 at 8-bit, no? Aug 09 08:42:22 yes Aug 09 08:42:35 160 at gsm 7 bit packed charset Aug 09 08:42:51 which is not the same as lower 128 from ascii Aug 09 08:43:04 yeah Aug 09 08:43:13 but just go binary Aug 09 08:43:43 This is at the moment just an amusing diversion since I can't do anything about getting to the meat of the project yet Aug 09 08:44:02 or if you don't want to tell your operator that you're relaying binary data, just use DCS = 8 which indicates UCS-2 unicode text, 70 characters @ 2 bytes each Aug 09 08:44:21 still; if I ever get anything uselessly useful out of it, I'll find some place to apply it Aug 09 08:44:26 end result is the same, you get 140 x 8bit clean bytes on the other end Aug 09 08:44:36 yeah Aug 09 08:45:02 and you can squeeze in a few bits more in some flags but the gain is going to be less than 1% Aug 09 08:45:09 yeah Aug 09 08:45:24 I have done web browsing over SMS Aug 09 08:45:45 I should stop now before I have a panic attack about that... Aug 09 08:45:52 the real savings here I think will come from a better understanding of the image's structure Aug 09 08:46:14 yea but sending binary is the low hanging fruit to pick first :) Aug 09 08:46:22 yeah Aug 09 08:49:47 I used to have this place out in the country in norcal Aug 09 08:49:54 had a horrible dialup provider Aug 09 08:50:15 was getting a throughput of 9600 Aug 09 08:50:22 in the post 2000 world Aug 09 08:50:25 it was shameful Aug 09 08:51:00 wow Aug 09 08:51:11 couldn't do much online in those days except IRC Aug 09 08:51:12 lol Aug 09 08:51:24 hello mrpackethead Aug 09 08:51:30 canid: You could always play MUDs. Aug 09 08:51:35 canid no youtube for you Aug 09 08:51:48 I've always had this deep aversion to MUDs Aug 09 08:52:01 canid: Just sayin' ;) Aug 09 08:52:02 heey watch it I'm a powerful archwizard Aug 09 08:52:09 I think it's a subconscious certainty that I would waste my life on them Aug 09 08:52:18 same reason I quit tabletop games Aug 09 08:52:18 canid: Most possibly true. Aug 09 08:52:37 most certainly true Aug 09 08:53:11 I waste about 100 hours/week on roguelikes as it is Aug 09 08:53:17 just program tinyfudge to play for you Aug 09 08:53:36 must remember to program it to troll other players, too. Aug 09 08:53:45 definitely. Aug 09 08:54:16 there's this one room in 3K mud where you can soak a person across the mud, have it emote on their end, and have it change their description to add (soaked) at the end for a while. Aug 09 08:54:42 I got bored, took the entire 80-person who list, parsed by spaces, dropped in a "shoot hose at " before each, and spammed it off. Aug 09 08:54:52 i got a kick out of that for about a minute, then continued on. Aug 09 08:55:58 I just code in a MUD. Well used to code. Now I'm just a lazy ass old fart hanging around. Aug 09 08:56:05 it's like another IRC Aug 09 08:56:07 LP > DIKU. Aug 09 08:56:15 * Shadyman trolls and runs away. Aug 09 08:56:53 I keep meaning to take up core war. Aug 09 08:57:11 always seemed like a great way to waste all my time. Aug 09 08:57:23 LP for life! Aug 09 08:57:27 ^ Aug 09 08:58:13 Vaizki: Where are you hanging around at? Aug 09 08:58:26 BatMUD Aug 09 08:58:34 ah. Don't know it offhand. Aug 09 08:59:00 it's been a bit slow :) Aug 09 08:59:09 poke Bubbs@Dune on intermud if you get a chance. He's, like, king of LP Aug 09 08:59:24 why would I do that? Aug 09 08:59:29 Just cause. Aug 09 08:59:48 oh ok then. Aug 09 08:59:56 He's a good guy. Aug 09 09:00:06 btw we have our own JAVA CLIENT .. :) Aug 09 09:00:10 try it out ;) Aug 09 09:00:20 Java? Kill it with fire. Aug 09 09:00:25 haha Aug 09 09:00:46 http://www.bat.org/play/batclient Aug 09 09:01:00 oh, Java, y u hate my computer so much? Aug 09 09:01:04 I guess teh feeling is mutual Aug 09 09:01:05 idea is to make it newbie friendly but it's still all text if you don't want to see the fancy stuff Aug 09 09:01:32 Eh, I'd just drop it into KildClient if I got around to it :/ Aug 09 09:01:39 less javacraptastic Aug 09 09:01:46 no offense to your client. Aug 09 09:02:13 sure, I don't use it myself :) Aug 09 09:02:17 i hate java, and java hates me. Aug 09 09:02:29 I like java and java still hates me. Aug 09 09:02:30 I don't have Java installed so I can't use it ;) Aug 09 09:02:41 canid is a Java stalker Aug 09 09:02:58 haha Aug 09 09:02:59 lol Aug 09 09:03:01 poor canid Aug 09 09:03:04 that's pretty good Aug 09 09:03:08 it's okay, Java hates everyone equally Aug 09 09:03:14 the bitch Aug 09 09:04:02 indeed Aug 09 09:04:22 Shadyman: http://www.bat.org/batfiles/11/screenshot-v161-1680x1050.png Aug 09 09:04:23 also; I need to spend more time playing S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series Aug 09 09:04:30 they made it quite nice for newbies though Aug 09 09:04:41 but yea it would be great if it didn't require java Aug 09 09:04:56 not bad. Aug 09 09:04:57 I try to avoid buying new PC related hardware by playing all my games at least 5-10 years after their release Aug 09 09:05:11 so I just got addicted to SoC Aug 09 09:05:22 we're all addicted to SoCs Aug 09 09:05:23 System on a Chip? Aug 09 09:05:30 I inject daily Aug 09 09:05:33 Shadow of Chernobyl Aug 09 09:05:45 the first S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game Aug 09 09:05:58 wasn't chernobyl some russian fairy tale? Aug 09 09:06:06 I thnk it was debunked Aug 09 09:06:08 +i Aug 09 09:06:23 Chernobyl is old and busted. Fukushima is the new hotness. Aug 09 09:06:49 but so far no dystopian fps games about it Aug 09 09:07:00 and that's a major detractor Aug 09 09:07:04 give it time Aug 09 09:09:13 fukushima.. yea.. what a disaster.. like this huge ass trillion becquerel leak Aug 09 09:09:15 http://jmkorhonen.net/2013/08/05/graph-of-the-week-fukushima-tritium-leak-in-context/ Aug 09 09:09:41 also; I saw an estimation that the global average per-capita exposure to fallout from chernobyl is equivalent to to something like 20 days of average background exposure Aug 09 09:10:00 so effectively, the Soviets owe me 20 days of my life back Aug 09 09:10:04 globally yes. but news and pain is local. Aug 09 09:10:33 what I'm getting at is that I think I could sue for compensation Aug 09 09:11:25 based on the then-value of the Soviet Ruble, their wage rates, and adjusted for inflation, I bet they could be liable for like $2 Aug 09 09:12:09 I guess I would have to sue the Ukraine Aug 09 09:12:35 maybe something about giant lizard monsters coming out of the Japanese sea? Aug 09 09:12:36 I bet the lawyers are gonna be tripping each other to represent me in a case like this Aug 09 09:12:39 oh, wait Aug 09 09:12:48 well it was a monumental cockup and set back nuclear power immensily Aug 09 09:13:11 fortunately Finland is not giving up nuclear Aug 09 09:13:16 some lunatic recently tried to sue the states of italy and israel for crucifying jesus Aug 09 09:13:24 lol Aug 09 09:13:32 there is a simple solution for nuclear power Aug 09 09:13:32 I'd rather have a truckload of exit signs in the sea then breath that crap they call air in central europe Aug 09 09:13:52 anybody that wants it gets his share of waste material to dispose of Aug 09 09:13:57 http://freethinker.co.uk/2013/08/07/bonkers-kenyan-lawyer-supplies-a-list-of-villians-he-wants-prosecuted-for-jesus-death/ Aug 09 09:13:58 Vaizki: swiss air isnt bad at all Aug 09 09:14:00 or store in his basement Aug 09 09:14:09 av500: I'm game. Aug 09 09:14:23 word Aug 09 09:14:24 of course, there's a yearly inspection Aug 09 09:14:27 that you still have it Aug 09 09:14:44 take your car for the checkup and bring your nucliwaste with you Aug 09 09:14:51 oh god DAMNIT' Aug 09 09:15:00 oh that would be very inconvenient Aug 09 09:15:13 since I would put it on a small rock I own in the middle of the Baltic sea Aug 09 09:15:13 just flashed the bbb, all lights solid, unplugged usb, plugged it back in... forgot to take uSD card out Aug 09 09:15:19 so its flashing it again Aug 09 09:15:20 :| Aug 09 09:15:28 so? Aug 09 09:15:32 flash .......... aaaaaah! Aug 09 09:15:35 so ive got to wait another 45 goddamn minutes Aug 09 09:15:38 ? Aug 09 09:15:42 mru: rotfl Aug 09 09:15:44 why? it's flashing the same stuff? :) Aug 09 09:15:48 yeah welp Aug 09 09:15:56 if i unplug it and take the sd card it sho dont work Aug 09 09:16:07 you tried it? Aug 09 09:16:11 yes ma'am Aug 09 09:16:15 or what does "sho" mean Aug 09 09:16:27 i did try it, sho = sure Aug 09 09:16:40 ok well.. wait 45 mins then :) Aug 09 09:16:54 unforgivable Aug 09 09:19:32 g'nite folks Aug 09 09:20:03 fo sho. Aug 09 09:20:44 Fork that noise. I would put it on a small rock I claimed in the middle of the heliopause Aug 09 09:21:10 ...I say in referense to the comment 2 pages up. Aug 09 09:21:59 das blinkenlights Aug 09 09:24:07 'bought to watch some Under the Dome up in my dome. Aug 09 09:24:56 Stoob: "das blinklicht"! Aug 09 09:26:20 gerfingerpoke! Aug 09 09:26:26 n Aug 09 09:28:41 i kinda want a tiny heatsink for my bbb Aug 09 09:29:04 i know it won't do anything significant Aug 09 09:29:08 but i just want one Aug 09 09:30:36 I know the RPi benefits from one. Aug 09 09:30:43 does the BBB run cooler? Aug 09 09:30:55 well; actually that the RPi benefits from a couple Aug 09 09:30:56 lol Aug 09 09:32:18 the bone should not need a heatsink Aug 09 09:32:43 unless maybe if the ambient temperature is insanely high Aug 09 09:32:55 gm mru Aug 09 09:33:11 moarning woglinde Aug 09 09:33:54 the shield has a fan too Aug 09 09:34:41 I wonder if the tegra5 tablet will have a fan too Aug 09 09:36:16 i know it won't do anything significant Aug 09 09:36:26 i think i acknowledged that the bone does not need one mru Aug 09 09:37:04 but as i said, it'd be *cool* to have all the same : Aug 09 09:37:05 p Aug 09 09:37:14 nice pun Aug 09 09:37:42 also, I am concused as to whether the bone needs a heatsink Aug 09 09:37:55 can we finally clear that question up? Aug 09 09:37:59 it doesnt, it gets warm not hot Aug 09 09:45:33 I have a question about getting a beaglebone black and havin it shipped to Iceland. Farnell tell me that it will take 4-6 weeks if my EUU form is approved. does this go for all retailers Aug 09 09:45:58 EUU? Aug 09 09:46:24 Elbranschens Utvecklings- och Utbildningscenter? Aug 09 09:46:39 that's swedish, not icelandic Aug 09 09:47:06 close enough Aug 09 09:47:11 ;) Aug 09 09:47:14 End User undertaking form Aug 09 09:47:42 whatever that is Aug 09 09:48:04 I know that it is almost impossible to get accelerometers to Iceland due the US BS Aug 09 09:48:14 oh.. Aug 09 09:48:23 iceland isn't trusted by the US Aug 09 09:49:01 no inertial guidance systems for you Aug 09 09:49:04 I would think that it was Aug 09 09:50:07 isn't iceland a nato member? Aug 09 09:50:34 yes Aug 09 09:50:38 at least keflavik is Aug 09 09:50:46 who needs the rest of it Aug 09 09:50:46 we dont have a military though Aug 09 09:51:16 the nato station in KEF was shutdown a long time ago. Aug 09 09:51:23 oh Aug 09 09:51:45 I liked when the russian took it in some Clancy novel Aug 09 09:51:48 +s Aug 09 09:53:44 lol Aug 09 09:56:39 I dont want to order it again an wait a week to find out that I might have to wait over a month to maybe get what i ordered. Is there any way to see before hand if I will have this problem Aug 09 09:56:57 I would think that beagleboard staff would know Aug 09 09:57:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Rising Aug 09 09:57:45 I dont think BBB staff knows about iceland Aug 09 09:57:57 I would ask farnell Aug 09 09:57:59 or digikey Aug 09 09:58:00 haha Aug 09 09:58:12 lulz Aug 09 09:58:58 ITAR is such a joke Aug 09 09:59:28 It's very hard to have any faith in any system of regulation which deends primarily on vulluntary compliance Aug 09 09:59:50 but, it prevents Iceland from taking over the world. mission accomplished! Aug 09 10:00:03 farnell is the one that just let me know that it would take 4-6 weeks to approve the paperwork if it get approved that is Aug 09 10:00:14 that's just downright weird Aug 09 10:00:27 right, but there's no guy in Iceland who can get a friend out of the country to ship him something with some ICs hidden in it? Aug 09 10:01:01 That is how we usually get gyros and accelerometers Aug 09 10:01:22 damn terrorists Aug 09 10:01:37 Maybe ask Tigal? Aug 09 10:01:38 shit iceland down - NOW! Aug 09 10:01:41 shut Aug 09 10:01:42 sorry Aug 09 10:01:44 :) Aug 09 10:01:48 I've always thought my greek sandwiches could use more accellerometers Aug 09 10:01:49 tigal ships to iceland... Aug 09 10:01:54 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/216 Aug 09 10:02:00 oh wait.. 0-1kg shipping to iceland 50 eur Aug 09 10:02:00 pr that Aug 09 10:02:01 haha Aug 09 10:02:01 or Aug 09 10:02:09 how else am I going to know if I'm eating the thing right? Aug 09 10:02:11 Finland 11 eur Aug 09 10:02:20 but then "PR that" makes sense too Aug 09 10:02:48 Matt__: no friend outside iceland? Aug 09 10:04:15 you could hide BBBs in dried cod RMA shipments Aug 09 10:04:21 yes but if there is any company that ships to Iceland it is just simpler Aug 09 10:04:30 Matt__: how many do you need? Aug 09 10:04:36 1-2 Aug 09 10:04:44 tigal's shipping is 50 eur so not good for so few Aug 09 10:05:04 I have up on the PI and I might have killed the Gumstix Aug 09 10:05:13 given up? Aug 09 10:05:15 heave up? Aug 09 10:05:16 join the club Aug 09 10:05:24 not fast enough Aug 09 10:05:57 canid: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/228 Aug 09 10:07:34 Matt__: ask logicsupply if they can help you Aug 09 10:08:43 do they supply you with logic? Aug 09 10:08:59 I might order some reasonings Aug 09 10:09:21 av500: heh Aug 09 10:09:29 I email the and see Aug 09 10:09:48 Matt__: what about digikey? Aug 09 10:10:27 yea they have digikey.is Aug 09 10:10:37 and a local phone number to call Aug 09 10:11:04 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/BB-BBLK-000/BB-BBLK-000-ND/3884456 Aug 09 10:11:16 oops well anyway digikey.is also :) Aug 09 10:11:40 shippeg $30 Aug 09 10:11:43 shipping Aug 09 10:13:16 The problem is that Farnell took a week to let me know that I had to fill out paperwork and and have it approved (4-6 weeks of approving) and if it was approved then they will ship it and I dont know if it is the same with digikey Aug 09 10:13:26 call them Aug 09 10:13:29 it might be Aug 09 10:13:37 people underestimate phone calls Aug 09 10:13:47 they send email and bitch when they're not answered Aug 09 10:13:56 anybody else watch the Under the Dome series? Aug 09 10:14:03 not yet Aug 09 10:14:17 It's a lot better if you keep swapping in parts of the simpsons movie in your mind while you watch Aug 09 10:15:14 wow Aug 09 10:15:29 even std mail parcel is 28 to iceland Aug 09 10:15:32 € Aug 09 10:15:39 15 uninsured Aug 09 10:16:29 yeah, shipping to and from places that don't do trillions of parcels per year forcing economies of scale is expensive. Aug 09 10:16:56 hmm Aug 09 10:17:00 there is a "maxi letter" Aug 09 10:17:02 up to 500g Aug 09 10:17:06 Good day all, anybody working with CANBUS on the BBB? Aug 09 10:17:06 3.45 Aug 09 10:17:36 should fit 2 beagles Aug 09 10:17:49 I am having trouble getting CANBUS to work, and am wondering anybody can help me out... Aug 09 10:19:15 well iceland has 300k people or something.. out of which maybe 10% work in the kind of businesses that need regular overseas package delivery Aug 09 10:19:21 so it's not a huge market :) Aug 09 10:19:30 yeah Aug 09 10:20:24 I think I might have to move to the mainland Aug 09 10:21:32 mainland? as in continental europe or the main island? Aug 09 10:21:47 cant they drop stuff out of the overflying planes? Aug 09 10:21:57 canid: ITAR has a blacklist of people who violated the rules Aug 09 10:22:02 shoot down planes and see what you get Aug 09 10:22:03 Continental europe Aug 09 10:22:11 Vaizki: +1 Aug 09 10:22:14 canid: selling anything export regulated to those people is a capital crime Aug 09 10:22:17 AA lottery Aug 09 10:22:40 Actually there is a massive amount of shipping going through iceland Aug 09 10:22:59 mainly fish though Aug 09 10:23:00 rotten fish? Aug 09 10:23:07 ice indeed ! Aug 09 10:23:23 mostly fresh and frozen and a bit of rotten shark Aug 09 10:23:32 I was amazed that fish was mroe expensive than pizza in iceland Aug 09 10:23:56 Welp, flashing took 67 mintues Aug 09 10:24:03 KotH: that's well and good, but still equates to a bandaid Aug 09 10:24:05 yeah, it gets slower and slower Aug 09 10:24:08 hakaarl! Aug 09 10:24:16 a staggering rate of 521KBps Aug 09 10:24:20 with all the funny bits on top of the letter Aug 09 10:24:22 sure, they can reasonably stem the flow of very large volumes of export controlled goods Aug 09 10:24:22 s Aug 09 10:24:25 but that's about it Aug 09 10:24:44 canid: well, ITAR is a cold war legacy. when real security was a bandaid anyways Aug 09 10:24:59 I like the new approach: lets the stuff be exported, then blow it up with stuxnet Aug 09 10:25:09 if the concern is conventional arms, every country can manufacture them, and has people it can buy them from Aug 09 10:25:15 dont keep that BBB next to your bed Aug 09 10:25:23 if it's WMDs, then it really only takes one to make a big mess Aug 09 10:25:28 canid: there are things on the ITAR list that are so common that anyone can buy them on the street Aug 09 10:25:34 I know Aug 09 10:25:46 KotH: bann streets then Aug 09 10:25:56 -n Aug 09 10:25:56 I have to check the boxes everytime I order ICs online Aug 09 10:25:59 av500: yeah, built in GPS triggers 'hot zones' and built in always-on-voice-recognition triggers on a laundry list, including 'jihad' (sorry KotH, no new boards for you) Aug 09 10:26:19 hmm, always on voice reconition, where did I hear about that recently.... Aug 09 10:26:26 +spellink Aug 09 10:26:37 dm8tbr: we usually write "consumer device" and it's ok :) Aug 09 10:27:06 av500: IIRC it will be in the latest QC SoCs Aug 09 10:27:11 canid: OTOH what do you expect from a country that asks you on entry whether you plan any terroristic activity? Aug 09 10:27:20 dm8tbr: yeah, well, totally unrelated.... Aug 09 10:27:30 KotH: that is clever actually Aug 09 10:27:46 if you do, even if they cannot blame anything else on you, you at lest lied on that form Aug 09 10:28:36 or a country which depends on it's primary rival for it's silicon supply chain upon which it's industry critically depends Aug 09 10:28:40 Everyhting comes from China so what is the big deal Aug 09 10:29:22 American Russian all made in Taiwan Aug 09 10:29:22 back Aug 09 10:29:40 port Aug 09 10:29:56 Matt__: nope, quartz oscillators are made in us... at least the high stability ones... if they aren't made in .ch :) Aug 09 10:30:12 Matt__: that's why quartz oscillators are often ITAR Aug 09 10:30:43 no other country shall have this frequency Aug 09 10:30:45 my precious Aug 09 10:30:50 8heh Aug 09 10:31:30 av500: building good oscillators is a well protected secret Aug 09 10:31:46 av500: it's easier to find documentation on nukes Aug 09 10:32:10 building nukes is easy, again Clancy novel Aug 09 10:32:49 juup it easy Aug 09 10:33:15 you just have to be carefull not to poison yourself while melting the uranium or plutonium Aug 09 10:33:30 yeah, but you can't get the quartz resonators to set them of! ha! Aug 09 10:33:32 I thought one buys that off the Street in Tashkent Aug 09 10:34:33 KotH: and yes, suicide bombers are very health conscious Aug 09 10:34:50 av500, +1 for the Tashkent reference Aug 09 10:35:05 * av500 bows Aug 09 10:36:02 but isn't that raw ore? you'd still need to refine it etc Aug 09 10:36:25 dm8tbr: I think they put it refined into the nuke heads Aug 09 10:36:43 at least thats where the Tashkent sutff is from Aug 09 10:36:47 no just get a about 10.000 smoke detectors Aug 09 10:36:53 not in iceland Aug 09 10:37:01 seems I misunderstood the tashkent reference Aug 09 10:37:06 no they wont ship Aug 09 10:37:12 see Aug 09 10:37:25 dm8tbr: well, any other ex USSR province Aug 09 10:37:49 we have to relay on elves in cages hanging from the ceiling. Aug 09 10:38:12 if the fish dangling from the ceiling is crispy, run Aug 09 10:38:44 KotH: what. its easy to oscillate Aug 09 10:39:35 maybe the US can export control the 180° phase shift.... Aug 09 10:55:09 Well I'm off to see if anyone will ship a BBB to me and my massively dangerous war mongering antisocial country. Aug 09 10:55:29 Matt__: where r u Aug 09 10:55:35 Iceland Aug 09 10:55:50 why can't you buy one? Aug 09 10:56:14 just order one, and get it sent Aug 09 10:56:21 dont' think its that hard is it? Aug 09 10:56:57 mrpackethead: sadly it is Aug 09 10:56:57 farnell it take 4-6 weeks to get a form possibly acceped and then they ship Aug 09 10:57:15 can't someone just post it Aug 09 10:57:19 thanks for the conversation Aug 09 10:57:25 Matt__: i'd send you one Aug 09 10:57:30 mrpackethead, he needs to hire a diver who brings it in a bag Aug 09 10:57:47 No forms needed to send it Aug 09 10:57:52 jo ogra Aug 09 10:57:53 if you can get it at the other end Aug 09 10:57:58 hey woglinde Aug 09 10:58:08 i dont' belive NZ is at war with Iceland Aug 09 10:59:09 both islands Aug 09 10:59:13 isolated Aug 09 10:59:30 they should form a union Aug 09 10:59:57 or a new continent Aug 09 11:00:09 well, if they drill down straight Aug 09 11:00:15 they can meet in the middle Aug 09 11:00:16 new kingdom? Aug 09 11:01:59 is it possible to access the microsd from within emmc booted angstrom? Aug 09 11:03:40 o.O Aug 09 11:04:41 yes Aug 09 11:04:50 whats angstrom. is that some kind of bonus program that comes on the tape? Aug 09 11:05:06 it's like supertape Aug 09 11:05:15 er, TurboTape Aug 09 11:05:24 it makes installing ubuntu faster Aug 09 11:05:29 theres a huge market for after-market bbb Aug 09 11:05:55 i'll brand them as #exactsteps Aug 09 11:06:05 will come in two flavors Aug 09 11:06:15 mrpackethead: 'little pieces after-market bbb' Aug 09 11:06:18 # opencv - answer all yoru homework for $59.95 Aug 09 11:06:36 'caution: the microsd socket might not be fully functional' Aug 09 11:07:01 # isnotasgoodaspi - a half baked media server Aug 09 11:07:07 'some assembly required' Aug 09 11:07:30 hey, maybe we could sell "debian" on a sd-card Aug 09 11:07:35 $39.85 Aug 09 11:08:00 get our "specially" tuned and optimised sdcard Aug 09 11:18:35 can anybody tell me why the human race continues to tollerate elan microelectroncs' continued existence? Aug 09 11:19:19 I'm not even ready to begin to forgive Asus for deciding to use their touchpads in their products Aug 09 11:21:25 as best I can make out; there's not a single non-buggy driver for mine for any platform Aug 09 11:26:46 the same reason why the human race ignores the atrocities of the US government Aug 09 11:31:19 what atrocities ? Aug 09 11:36:31 I confidently predict 99.9999999999% of the population don't know who Elan are or even that a touchpad has a drive Aug 09 11:37:17 and seeing a great number of the population are quite happy with apples duff touchscreens I don't think they would care even if they did! Aug 09 11:38:06 iirc apple doesn't use elan touchpads, and that probably explains why apple users are happy with touchpads, unlike PC users Aug 09 11:38:24 av500: the imperial system (for starters) Aug 09 11:39:48 \o/ the USA gets the blame for British inventions :-D Aug 09 11:43:56 uhm... the imperial measurment system is not a british invention Aug 09 11:44:10 wasnt the us which wanted to be free from the uk? Aug 09 11:44:15 it was used all over europe until well into the 19th century Aug 09 11:44:46 and afaik it's even older than big settlements in europe Aug 09 11:44:51 It's technically still watering day if it's nearly 5am but I haven't slept, right? Aug 09 11:45:05 no, it's friday Aug 09 11:45:14 damn Aug 09 11:45:23 you are in #beagle, it's always friday here Aug 09 11:45:26 a non-emergency friday, too Aug 09 11:45:37 endless friday Aug 09 11:45:39 but also a non-declared friday Aug 09 11:45:48 KotH: the name "Imperial" comes from the British empire standardising it, the actual measurements may not be British, but the system is Aug 09 11:45:51 as opposed to friday-by-a-decree Aug 09 11:46:02 koth or monday Aug 09 11:46:10 XorA: the standardization of the values might be, the system is way older Aug 09 11:46:14 no mondays plz thxbye Aug 09 11:46:36 monday monday Aug 09 11:46:37 friday-by-committee - everyone will be in meetings until monday Aug 09 11:46:38 XorA: but then, most countries in europe had some form or other standardized these measurements after the middle ages Aug 09 11:47:00 kfoltman: are you garfield? Aug 09 11:47:13 no.. can't be... then you would need your mondays Aug 09 11:47:23 * kfoltman is not a cat Aug 09 11:48:18 so, you dont deny the fact that you are fat and have tabby fur? Aug 09 11:49:51 uh, what can I say, my chocolate metabolism is not like yours Aug 09 11:50:02 fur, I admit none Aug 09 11:50:18 what is this.. shaved beagles now? Aug 09 11:50:37 unshaved trolls Aug 09 11:50:51 better than shaved bears Aug 09 11:50:56 http://thewholegardenwillbow.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/img001862.jpg Aug 09 11:57:06 thx, posted Aug 09 11:58:23 eep Aug 09 12:04:31 av500: :-) Aug 09 12:04:43 av500: and there i thought, you've known that pic for all your life Aug 09 12:10:26 nap time Aug 09 12:20:46 cfp's for elce accepted/rejected Aug 09 12:21:31 panto: meaning, that? Aug 09 12:21:53 I think he meant that submissions got the review results Aug 09 12:22:00 meaning if you submitted anything the dashboard has the result Aug 09 12:22:17 dm8tbr: yeah but does that mean he will present and be trolled, or rather not. Aug 09 12:22:23 hehe Aug 09 12:22:33 he's keeping the suspense up Aug 09 12:22:36 BoF about device tree migration accepted Aug 09 12:22:40 and yes, I will be trolled Aug 09 12:22:47 there shall be trolling Aug 09 12:22:48 \o/ Aug 09 12:23:01 panto: but what's the point, when you can use fex with a little bit of pci-over-gpio? Aug 09 12:23:13 kfoltman, +1 troll point Aug 09 12:23:24 we should get a troll-tallying bot around here Aug 09 12:23:24 +1 Aug 09 12:23:32 av500: sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp6VJQzk1pg Aug 09 12:23:38 panto: ^^^^ Aug 09 12:23:42 panto: why would people migrate away from DT? Aug 09 12:23:52 the grass is greener on the other side Aug 09 12:23:53 that BOF will be interesting Aug 09 12:24:02 panto: IIRC DevBot has karma enabled, just use it for troll-karma accounting ;) Aug 09 12:24:03 just noticed: NSFW. Aug 09 12:24:22 LetoThe2nd: uh :S and I'm browsing from work Aug 09 12:24:24 wow, boobs Aug 09 12:24:27 on utub Aug 09 12:24:32 unexpected Aug 09 12:24:33 uboobs Aug 09 12:24:37 LetoThe2nd: the european meaning? *click* Aug 09 12:25:11 is there anything safe to be posted that is SFW everywhere on the planet at the same time? Aug 09 12:25:57 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcLDx_oiSMY&feature=youtube_gdata_player Aug 09 12:25:58 https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp/posts/BUZ1TncFHxW Aug 09 12:26:47 that explains the cats Aug 09 12:27:30 hmmm Aug 09 12:27:30 dm8tbr: european meaning. Aug 09 12:27:41 need to spoof an ntp server so I can claim beer o'clock Aug 09 12:27:58 kfoltman: just searched for the song title and psted before watching :) Aug 09 12:28:02 SpeedEvil: animal cruelty! /me calls F.E.T.A. Aug 09 12:28:12 * LetoThe2nd like FETA. Aug 09 12:28:16 koen: somewhere on the planet... Aug 09 12:28:23 LetoThe2nd: I thought you'd like that Aug 09 12:28:26 Field Effect Transistor Amplifier? Aug 09 12:28:28 is if not PETA? Aug 09 12:28:35 or PITA? Aug 09 12:28:36 av500: it's not if you're panto Aug 09 12:28:43 but then, pita is fine too Aug 09 12:28:52 indeed. Aug 09 12:28:54 omnomnom Aug 09 12:29:29 dm8tbr: I have the feeling this köntop is somebdoy I should know... Aug 09 12:29:34 but then Aug 09 12:29:57 german i-list celebrity ;) Aug 09 12:30:02 yeah Aug 09 12:30:17 feta is awesome Aug 09 12:30:17 dm8tbr: http://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/library/system.collections.ilist.aspx ? Aug 09 12:30:21 doesnt he also write for heise soometimes ? Aug 09 12:30:27 ah Aug 09 12:30:31 a celelb Aug 09 12:31:04 LetoThe2nd: now that's NSFW _everywhere_ Aug 09 12:31:18 mayne not in redmond Aug 09 12:31:21 maybe Aug 09 12:31:37 dm8tbr: if i say NSFW, i mean NSFW. Aug 09 12:32:35 redmond is GNTW. Aug 09 12:33:59 yess... last coworker jsut left Aug 09 12:35:09 instant beer-o-clock *ploepp* Aug 09 12:43:51 LetoThe2nd: GNTW? Aug 09 12:44:13 KotH: Guaranteed Not To Work Aug 09 12:45:19 *g* Aug 09 12:46:00 note to coworker: upcasting a char to an uint16_t and getting the upper byte being 0xff is not a compiler bug Aug 09 12:46:05 ^^' Aug 09 12:47:54 as long as char is signed Aug 09 12:48:06 if char is unsigned it is Aug 09 12:49:01 well, he assumed "char" = "uint8_t", while char is by default signed on gcc/g++ Aug 09 12:49:50 yes Aug 09 12:50:05 char should be 7 bit only Aug 09 12:50:14 5 bits are enough Aug 09 12:50:22 RIGHT! Aug 09 12:50:26 AMIRITE? Aug 09 12:52:11 it's not enough for EBDIC so no Aug 09 12:52:25 but ... friday, 4pm, I'm out of here& Aug 09 13:03:54 tea time Aug 09 13:06:19 it's always tea time Aug 09 13:08:12 +1 Aug 09 13:20:58 hi! Aug 09 13:21:15 lo Aug 09 13:24:03 how do i get custom built packages (used bitbake) onto my bbb? Aug 09 13:31:58 Hi there, is the beaglebone black fully backwards compatible to the BeagleBone Rev A5? Aug 09 13:32:07 define fully Aug 09 13:32:16 same CPU Aug 09 13:32:27 slightly different peripherals on the PCB Aug 09 13:32:31 Can I plug in the old sd card, use all extensions ? Aug 09 13:32:42 some capes are not compatible Aug 09 13:32:51 see the wiki Aug 09 13:33:00 ok, thanks, than I'll have to research a bit. Aug 09 13:36:33 Is there a guide for setting up static IP on eth0? have been testing editing both init.rc / init.goldfish.rc / ifconfig via adb without success Aug 09 13:37:11 you might mention "Android" Aug 09 13:37:24 BBB on Android.. correct. Aug 09 13:39:25 but why Aug 09 13:40:47 Using BBB with ethernet to STM32 devboard. Point-Point, without DHCP. Aug 09 13:56:51 sounds more fun than USB Aug 09 13:58:39 or i2c Aug 09 13:59:06 Using the STM32 board instead of a CAN cape as there is little support in android for I/O capes. But somehow I do not manage to find the BBB android eth0 settings Aug 09 13:59:29 android is linux Aug 09 13:59:56 getting support in the kernel is the same as for other distros Aug 09 14:00:01 as for high level/ui Aug 09 14:00:11 you have to write that part Aug 09 14:00:15 correct but the android build does not contain the same folders and settings as linux for eth0/network Aug 09 14:00:23 folders? Aug 09 14:00:37 yes, android user land is different too Aug 09 14:01:00 the eth stuff is hacked into android anyway Aug 09 14:01:09 I dont think it has native ethernet support yet Aug 09 14:01:43 ipup does not work? Aug 09 14:02:19 for example ubuntu has the /etc/network/interfaces file containing network configuration..can't find any simular settings in BBB android dist Aug 09 14:02:29 true Aug 09 14:02:43 in user space, android is quite different Aug 09 14:04:27 there is some "indication" on settings in the init.goldfish.rc file for ip settings during boot.. But I guess these settings is overwritten during/after boot sequence Aug 09 14:05:23 I also find some old posts for the first beaglebone where editing init.rc could set static ip.. but no luck with bbb Aug 09 14:06:59 goldfish is for the simulator Aug 09 14:07:14 and sorry, no idea Aug 09 14:11:16 Hi, has anybody seen the BBB hang at login? at the login screen i'm getting "Automatically Logging in..." Aug 09 14:39:34 mru: your talk accepted? Aug 09 14:39:49 nope Aug 09 14:39:55 not enough rpi, I guess Aug 09 14:41:44 heh funny mine was Aug 09 14:41:53 mru: still going? Aug 09 14:42:02 don't know Aug 09 14:44:18 mru: what was your talk about? Aug 09 14:44:35 nothing interesting, apparently Aug 09 14:44:52 u mad bro? Aug 09 14:45:06 as a hatter Aug 09 14:45:49 good thing we have RoHS Aug 09 14:46:22 I have some old mercury relays somewhere Aug 09 14:47:07 don't do it, we still need you Aug 09 15:15:09 Hello guys i have a question. Aug 09 15:15:46 I am in a game that doesnt like me, now i want to ddos it Aug 09 15:15:49 * MuthaFarka Gives Massive Farks To Admins in osu! Because They Gave Him An Annoying & NONSENSE Mute AND BAN For Sharing Stuff!!!* *NOBODY LIKES OSU IF IT DOESNT LIKES US* *IF YOU BAN ME AGAIN YOU ARE NONSENSE!!!* ***We Are Anonymous, Expect Us.*** Aug 09 15:16:01 any ops around? Aug 09 15:16:08 would this message the best to warn them? Aug 09 15:16:42 av500: 11 Aug 09 15:16:50 11 == ^^^ Aug 09 15:17:17 " We are Anonymous, Expect Us " lol Aug 09 15:18:27 :< im going to ddos their irc servers for that Aug 09 15:18:51 panto: ^^^^ Aug 09 15:19:18 MuthaFarka: hint: being a hurt teenage boy doesnt give you the right to cause other people cost Aug 09 15:19:22 MuthaFarka: and it's illegal Aug 09 15:19:30 i see Aug 09 15:19:36 MuthaFarka: even in honkong Aug 09 15:19:43 :) Aug 09 15:19:47 being an idiot doesn't give you the right to start blathering nonsense in unrelated channels Aug 09 15:19:54 MuthaFarka: if you dont want the police at your door, i recommend you to not dos anyone Aug 09 15:20:05 KotH: don't try to troll the pseudotrols it just makes them fell like they are real trolls. Aug 09 15:20:17 mru: thats the valid point. Aug 09 15:20:45 now where are the ops so we can get this idiot banned? Aug 09 15:20:58 mru: #freenode, probably. Aug 09 15:21:09 why would our ops be there? Aug 09 15:21:11 :< i am not a idiot tho im offtopic Aug 09 15:21:29 mru: Because those are the people that run the network. It appears we have no current ops here. Aug 09 15:21:34 Oxymoronic then Aug 09 15:21:44 LetoThe2nd: dont worry, done that already Aug 09 15:21:45 being offtopic marks you as an idiot, its a causal correlation. Aug 09 15:21:46 LetoThe2nd, ? Aug 09 15:22:01 panto: we have somebody here that deserves being quieted. Aug 09 15:22:11 LetoThe2nd, not a mod Aug 09 15:22:17 panto: ah? Aug 09 15:22:20 permanently Aug 09 15:22:30 With cement shoes. Aug 09 15:22:41 panto: sorry, thought you were. Aug 09 15:23:45 i could provide the cement Aug 09 15:23:48 Need lsmod Aug 09 15:24:10 anyways... CHOCOLATE!!! ... err.. i mean WEEEKEEEND! Aug 09 15:26:56 does anybody know offhand a gpio for some simple experiments on the BBB (pin on header + number) or do i have to actually read the TRM? ;) Aug 09 15:28:04 s/TRM/SRM/ Aug 09 15:29:45 Srm + dt overlay Aug 09 15:36:12 LetoThe2nd: What's your question? Aug 09 15:36:25 LetoThe2nd: oh - nvm Aug 09 15:36:26 misread Aug 09 15:36:30 SpeedEvil: hrhr Aug 09 15:41:29 caio everyone, have a fun (beer filled) weekend! Aug 09 16:12:49 on a BBB is /etc/zoneinfo related to the timezone? is it related to /proc/zoneinfo ??? (< tolip: BBB is hardware, it doesn't have a filesystem in itself. Which distribution do you run on it Aug 09 16:17:36 Angstrom Aug 09 16:24:29 Mandrake Linux Aug 09 16:41:36 don't we have a sshfs package in angstrom? Aug 09 17:01:34 Can anyone point to a more recent PRU tutorial pls? Aug 09 17:01:40 I found this: http://www.element14.com/community/community/knode/single-board_computers/next-gen_beaglebone/blog/2013/05/22/bbb--working-with-the-pru-icssprussv2 Aug 09 17:01:59 But it's full of edits upon edits, for newer releases Aug 09 17:04:48 there is some pru documentation and some open source code for pru Aug 09 17:05:55 Nick DJMiller Aug 09 17:06:11 try with a / prepended Aug 09 17:06:20 /Nick DJMiller Aug 09 17:06:32 Thanks Aug 09 17:08:28 re Aug 09 18:19:59 tolip dont know about angstrom, but with debian you would do dpkg-reconfigure tzdata. It might be similar on angstrom, but possibly using opkg Aug 09 18:20:09 hello everyone Aug 09 18:23:17 m_billybob: hello and thx :) I reflashed my BBB due to the fact that I replaced my zoneinfo file with a localtime file (Angstrom BBB newby funtime! ) Aug 09 18:25:39 My background is Slackware and all this fancy auto-dep pkg stuff is neato :) Aug 09 18:27:20 got slackware/arm working on your BBB? Aug 09 18:28:32 not yet, soon I hope. I'm workin on 64bit tools ATM Aug 09 18:30:00 I tried a shortcut img file, it was no go. I'm guessing it was not for the BBB Aug 09 18:41:18 someone got slackware workign in the first month after BBB's release so it is possible Aug 09 18:41:42 im kind of in and out of here so may take time to respond to question ask in my general direction. Aug 09 18:42:47 hi m_billybob Aug 09 18:46:17 moo Aug 09 18:46:29 hi cde Aug 09 18:46:38 my windows client hasnt connected yet Aug 09 18:47:07 just switched over from generator to solar ( pumping water ) our managed switch takes a few minutes to self test Aug 09 18:47:38 there we go Aug 09 18:47:47 CDE on a beagleboard... interesting idea ;) Aug 09 18:48:00 what did i miss Aug 09 18:48:02 * cde is not a window manager Aug 09 18:48:13 * cde is a nick Aug 09 18:48:17 heh Aug 09 18:48:35 cde: A desktop environment! :-) Aug 09 18:49:14 the SPARC of life! Aug 09 18:49:19 sorry, that was terrible Aug 09 18:49:23 funny that i didnt actually drop connection that time Aug 09 18:50:02 my beaglebone -> Guest40965 Aug 09 18:52:05 so this time next year, hopefull we'll have a 12kW peak solar system so no more need for the generator to pump water :) Aug 09 18:54:24 m_billybob: nd huge battery? Aug 09 18:54:42 * SpeedEvil wishes decent batteires existed. Aug 09 18:54:47 we have 2200aH at 12v nominal now. Aug 09 18:54:56 Ah. Aug 09 18:55:09 we'll probably double that by then Aug 09 18:55:17 m_billybob: My problem (since solved) is that I'm too smart by 1/2. setting up ntp, not following directions exactly I did a cp instead of an ln -s, a link would not have overwritten my zoneinfo file with timezone data destined for localtime (I do know better, just having a few dumb attacks lately) Aug 09 18:55:21 then go to 24v nominal Aug 09 18:55:24 (decent = integrated total capcity sotrage over life is significntly less thn grid power) Aug 09 18:55:51 m_billybob: yeah - really need at least 5C. Aug 09 18:56:14 5C as in charge rate ? Aug 09 18:56:16 m_billybob: how far are you from grid? Aug 09 18:56:19 m_billybob: yes Aug 09 18:56:25 Err - 0.2C I mean Aug 09 18:56:25 where can i find the bonescript list of bbb pins? Aug 09 18:56:30 we dont go above C10 Aug 09 18:56:36 So if you're at 12kW, you need 60kWh of battery Aug 09 18:56:38 t least Aug 09 18:56:47 naw we use charge controller Aug 09 18:56:51 s Aug 09 18:57:13 we charge up to aroudn 15v then the charge controllers go to float mode Aug 09 18:57:23 m_billybob: yeah - but you don't idelly wnt to hbe in the position tht you ever have to throw power way because you can't safely charge a nearly empry battery bank Aug 09 18:57:25 which is around 13.2 volts Aug 09 18:58:01 it gets used and if not then doesnt matter tecnically after that point its "free" anyhow Aug 09 18:58:27 not counting the need to buy new bateries once ever ten years Aug 09 18:58:51 its not perfect but it is pretty dahm impressive, and expensive Aug 09 18:58:59 glad im not paying for it Aug 09 18:59:02 :) Aug 09 18:59:15 m_billybob: I guess it may vary where you are - I'm in the position where I need 100* the capacity of solar panels to hit an average load. Aug 09 18:59:26 A 250W panel will support a 24*7 load of about 2.5W Aug 09 18:59:38 December/january are _very_ dull with short days. Aug 09 18:59:48 ah yeah see we dont hardly ever see peak Aug 09 18:59:59 best tuimeof year for solar is winter Aug 09 19:00:06 best time of year* Aug 09 19:00:16 summer time yo uget all kinds of heat releated losses Aug 09 19:00:31 Fans actually can significantly improve things. Aug 09 19:00:33 goddamn. this beaglebone is giving me all kinds of problems today. Won't seem to boot with a blank SD card in it, refuses to display anything to HDMI (except, tauntingly, the beaglebone logo when it first turns on) Aug 09 19:00:43 In that they easily pay for their energy consumption. Aug 09 19:01:15 stoob you cant boot aa beaglebone black with sd card inserted unless the sd card has a proper uEnv.txt file on it Aug 09 19:01:28 whether you boot form it or not Aug 09 19:01:33 from it* Aug 09 19:01:40 Why not? isn't it supposed to only try booting from the SD if you are holding down the button? Aug 09 19:02:07 SpeedEvil we do pretty good Aug 09 19:02:32 stoob just the way it is. ive never had any luck what so ever with pressing the boot button at start up- ever Aug 09 19:03:30 stoob put this in a file name uEnv.txt on the sd card Aug 09 19:03:32 http://spirilis.net/junk/uEnv.txt Aug 09 19:03:44 then try and boot Aug 09 19:03:51 should work a treat Aug 09 19:04:18 madness Aug 09 19:04:39 SpeedEvil, tobe sure there arelots of solar related consideration but over the past 5-6 years Ive just resigned to the fact that some things are just not worth stressing over Aug 09 19:04:51 any tips on the hdmi that shows a logo then disappears forever (i've tried touching the keyboard and mouse to wake it up...) Aug 09 19:05:19 Stoob: possibly not enough juice. try a more powerful dc adaptor Aug 09 19:05:29 ok Aug 09 19:05:44 m_billybob: I'm annoyed here that it's entirely impossible to DIY solar and get paid for it in the UK. Aug 09 19:05:52 or a powered usb hub could do the trick Aug 09 19:05:54 SpeedEvil for instance a good mmpt charge controller would gain us up to aroudn 30% efficiency, but buying a couple panels will work always, and even when heat conditions wont allow a mppt charge controller to be more efficient so . . . Aug 09 19:06:16 SpeedEvil where abouts ? Aug 09 19:06:19 (Grid-tied, feed-in-tarriff) Aug 09 19:06:24 Stoob, did you see chapter 10.4 of the SRM? Aug 09 19:06:30 ah UK Aug 09 19:06:46 10.4 "Trouble Shooting HDMI Issues" Aug 09 19:06:47 SpeedEvil we're completely off grid nearest pole is like 1/4 mile dow nthe road from us Aug 09 19:07:06 dnil: what is the SRM? Aug 09 19:07:09 they want $50k US to run lines to us so yeah one of two options Aug 09 19:07:18 I've been looking over http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack_HDMI this Aug 09 19:07:19 m_billybob: Ow Aug 09 19:07:30 Stoob, The manual for the board.. Aug 09 19:07:31 take 50k spend it on our own system and screw the power company Aug 09 19:07:47 SRM: System Reference Manual Aug 09 19:07:59 dnil: then yes I've read it, and tried what it said Aug 09 19:08:02 m_billybob: or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mrPwXwchSc Aug 09 19:08:44 Stoob, And what about the Wiki?: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBoneBlack_HDMI Aug 09 19:09:03 (Smaller ones are available) Aug 09 19:09:06 SpeedEvil this has somethign to do with solar ? Aug 09 19:09:20 For laying cable Aug 09 19:09:52 oh wel lol scrwthe power company ;) Aug 09 19:09:57 screw the* Aug 09 19:10:19 thats pretty cool though Aug 09 19:11:10 Pretty much the 'bigger hammer' approach. Aug 09 19:11:39 kind of what we do with our solar array, if we need more power they've been just ading more panels Aug 09 19:12:06 my buddies father is a retired teacher hasmoremoney comming in than he knows what to do with Aug 09 19:12:13 so . . . Aug 09 19:12:58 hm the circuito wiki is good Aug 09 19:12:59 we have 3 wells two of whcih are solar, one of which is 120v, and one of whcih is dual Aug 09 19:13:22 our water table is below 450ft down Aug 09 19:13:38 water table? Aug 09 19:13:50 ah hm Aug 09 19:14:20 SpeedEvil one thing ot consider though if you ever get property with a stream on it . . .hydro is one of the most reliable power sources. Aug 09 19:14:57 I have a stream nearby I could probably drop a turbine in. Aug 09 19:15:05 Did the numbers - I might get 3-4 watts. Aug 09 19:15:11 how much head do you figure ? Aug 09 19:15:16 lol . . . Aug 09 19:15:32 tiny stream ;) Aug 09 19:15:35 Just flow, and not much of it Aug 09 19:15:47 ah well you know you could divert it Aug 09 19:16:00 Yeah - it's not actually on my property Aug 09 19:16:19 make a "horseshoe" where the water flows faster Aug 09 19:16:40 still may not work Aug 09 19:19:27 i love being off grid though we hardly ever lose power now days ( early on we did, not enough panels or batteries ) and once the system is up and running you typicaly dont have to worry about it any more. although batteries during summer especially need maintanence ( adding water ) Aug 09 19:20:50 hmmm they cut a day off of ELCE Aug 09 19:21:04 what is ELCE ? Aug 09 19:22:22 embedded unix conference europe Aug 09 19:22:27 uos Aug 09 19:22:27 linux Aug 09 19:22:30 linux Aug 09 19:22:31 yes Aug 09 19:22:36 thanks mranostay Aug 09 19:23:40 ah Aug 09 19:23:59 i see intel had its science faire was just reading about it in ECN Aug 09 19:41:04 SpeedEvil -> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cqOjaY90RdE/UgVFBrQyJuI/AAAAAAAAAMw/ikT9UP5XmXM/s912/solar-array02.jpg Aug 09 19:41:22 solar-array01.jpg and solar-array03 is there too.jpg Aug 09 19:47:53 Russ: woot! Aug 09 19:51:11 Neat Aug 09 20:30:57 is there a way to adjust overscan on the BBB, been trying to use mine with a TV, and most of the image is being cut off (also the TV doest have any relavant options)? Aug 09 20:31:06 adjuste the tv Aug 09 20:31:09 -e Aug 09 20:31:33 if necessary, adjust it for a new tv with proper settings Aug 09 20:31:49 the TV does not have those settings, as I said Aug 09 20:31:55 and I cant afford to buy a new TV Aug 09 20:32:08 sucks to be you then Aug 09 20:32:27 there is seriously no option to adjust it in software? Aug 09 20:32:44 I think it's possible somehow or other Aug 09 20:32:50 I've never had to deal with that Aug 09 20:33:03 I read somthing online that said that you could give it kernal options to force a resolution, but when i try that, it just says no signal Aug 09 20:33:15 that won't help Aug 09 20:33:39 you need to tell X or whatever not to use the full size Aug 09 20:33:53 im just using debian with no WM Aug 09 20:37:07 hmmm Aug 09 20:37:17 well, I guess ill just have to do everything over ssh for the forseeable future Aug 09 20:42:42 correction to an earlier statement I made, Slackware DOES have an auto-dep pkg tool nowadays. next thing ya know they'll be using the WIMP interface for install. What is the world coming to? :) Aug 09 20:49:23 i thought most ( all?) window managers had settings for that Aug 09 20:49:37 the bbb will do 1080p too Aug 09 20:51:32 Hey guys... Anyone know of any Bay Area (California) retailers that stock the Beaglebone Black & accessories? Aug 09 20:52:52 Phenomenal: why not order online? Aug 09 20:53:12 i don't think anyone stocks BBB's in a retail setting Aug 09 20:53:27 I might but I'm one of those people who likes to get things right away Aug 09 20:53:48 Some online shops will let you do will call orders Aug 09 20:54:32 Only found one potential supplier thats down the road but they dont list prices or accessories online but they are pretty close. They have a product search with inventory numbers & no specs Aug 09 20:54:57 looks like a wholesale type place that sells excess inventory of electronics Aug 09 20:54:58 mranostay: on the other hand, I can buy a Raspberry Pi in a local Maplin Aug 09 20:55:18 they like to stock overpriced crap :P Aug 09 20:56:36 For what these go for I wouldnt mind getting a Raspberry Pi if I could find one easilly.... I just want to setup a web server to sit by my router so store a personal wiki Aug 09 20:56:43 and maybe some other stuff Aug 09 20:56:51 kfoltman: die! Aug 09 20:56:58 * kfoltman dies Aug 09 20:57:02 * kfoltman comes back as a troll Aug 09 20:57:09 Should just pay $9 for Ultimate Servers Pro for Android but meh Aug 09 20:57:30 building for uClibc and klibc seems so nice and friendly now... Aug 09 20:57:41 * Phenomenal casts fairy-dust on kfoltman Aug 09 20:58:02 ds2: nice and friendly like a super-villian looking for a good moment to stab you in the back Aug 09 20:58:06 villain, even Aug 09 20:58:17 kfoltman: I am looking at building stuff for bionic Aug 09 20:58:36 uClibc/klibc is definitely friendier by millions of miles Aug 09 21:00:27 Google reimplemented the wheel several times to avoid the GPL Aug 09 21:00:38 for instance, instead of using cryptsetup, they reimplemented it Aug 09 21:00:54 even though it was completely unnecessary Aug 09 21:01:28 cde: I think it might have been just to dodge the inevitable anti-(L)GPL FUD Aug 09 21:02:22 larifa Aug 09 21:05:01 kfoltman: they stopped google reader. they are evil Aug 09 21:06:15 cde: evil? given the spying revelations and their tendency to data-mine, I'd say it's a good thing Aug 09 21:06:23 NSA software at its best Aug 09 21:06:49 kfoltman, good point Aug 09 21:07:27 kfoltman you do realize that the founder ( or was it the CEO?) of google was in the US intelligence service just before google started up ? Aug 09 21:07:44 has me thinking "hmmm" to myself all the time Aug 09 21:08:26 read: he was ex CIA Aug 09 21:08:31 m_billybob: probably CEO Aug 09 21:09:13 doubt Page or Brin would have time to be in the CIA Aug 09 21:09:16 mranostay i dont remember its been a year or two since i read about it. it was in some magazine probably two years ago or longer Aug 09 21:10:24 wired, or one of those science magazines popular science or somethign like that Aug 09 21:12:02 m_billybob maybee this older guy schmidt Aug 09 21:14:44 either way they definately dont mind snooping. i started to notice their DNS service opening like 8 connections a year or so ago when i quite using it Aug 09 21:15:38 was curious as to why when i opened my browser it was taking my browser like 2 minutes to load small pages. Aug 09 21:25:24 hey, is there a way prevent the beaglebone from booting until you hit the power button? Aug 09 21:26:43 i'm assuming i can set some pmic registers Aug 09 21:26:56 define 'hitting the power button' as plugging in the psu Aug 09 21:27:21 hard to set any registers without power... Aug 09 21:28:10 true. i assumed i could set them and they'd be saved. but i suppose that's probably not the case. Aug 09 21:28:55 yeap...all registers are reset at power down. Aug 09 21:29:21 there are probably some pins on the pmic that control the behaviour Aug 09 21:30:13 true, but i need to find a P8/P9 header only solution. :) Aug 09 21:30:50 put a switch on the power lead Aug 09 21:31:00 and, need to avoid that too. Aug 09 21:31:25 i don't want the users corrupting the flash thinking the switch is the proper way to power the board off. Aug 09 21:31:31 now we're getting into 'fix it without changing anything' territory Aug 09 21:31:47 like product managers often demand Aug 09 21:32:08 unsolder the reset switch Aug 09 21:32:24 i'm deploying like 50 of these Aug 09 21:32:36 i realize i could hack away at the board :P Aug 09 21:32:58 fiddlesticks. Aug 09 21:33:01 say a conservative 20 seconds each to remove the switch Aug 09 21:33:11 that's about 15 minutes Aug 09 21:34:24 it would have to be PWR_EN related. Aug 09 21:34:55 and...that's a trace. Aug 09 21:35:14 that's what scalpels were invented for Aug 09 21:35:20 lol Aug 09 21:37:11 i could just not turn on the 5v supply i'm powering it with Aug 09 21:37:19 but, if they plug in usb... Aug 09 21:37:45 isn't usb power disabled if the barrel plug is inserted? Aug 09 21:38:24 it would be silly to assume they attach cables in a certain order. Aug 09 21:38:41 I see only one solution Aug 09 21:38:56 replace your users with less stupid oness Aug 09 21:39:47 it would be a bad design, on my part, if stupidity mattered. Aug 09 21:40:02 * mru considers stupidity a bad design Aug 09 21:40:24 and two wrongs make a right, as any fool can tell you Aug 09 21:40:35 ...where's the second wrong? Aug 09 21:40:50 22:39 < nomel> it would be a bad design, on my part Aug 09 21:41:26 you inverted the logic of that one. Aug 09 21:41:51 that's a standard debating tactic Aug 09 21:45:48 i've noticed some of the "open source" capes have coming soon for their documentation. Seems a little unfair to me... Aug 09 21:46:08 talk is cheap Aug 09 21:46:20 so is chinese labor Aug 09 21:47:55 yes there is. Aug 09 21:48:38 the chips needs to be configured appropriately and it will wait for a power button Aug 09 21:48:56 * mranostay throws lures into the channel Aug 09 21:49:13 * mru slaps mranostay with a large trout Aug 09 21:49:20 how dare you Aug 09 21:49:37 I found it under a bridge Aug 09 21:49:50 figured you might have dropped it Aug 09 21:50:23 monzie: how is this any different than any other "open source" piece of anything? :P Aug 09 21:50:49 * ds2 asks DF&G to write mranostay a citation Aug 09 21:50:52 does the NAND cape work now? Aug 09 21:51:09 you need a cape for NAND? :P Aug 09 21:51:21 *sings* all you need is eMMC Aug 09 21:51:30 kfoltman: well yes Aug 09 21:51:38 but there was a NAND cape for the BBW days Aug 09 21:51:55 but those days are long gone and best forgotten Aug 09 22:01:41 just got a BB black, an atrix dock and a cable set (which I'm disappointed with due to the lack of plugging in directly, but w/e), I get the beaglebone logo on boot, but nearly immediately get a "no signal" from the HDMI. any idea what I'm doing wrong? Aug 09 22:04:34 mmattice sounds like the bbb is trying to put your monitor into a mode that the monitor doest support Aug 09 22:04:43 doesnt support Aug 09 22:05:23 I am not sure how to fix that but there are people on the beagleboard google groups who have talked about it in the past Aug 09 22:05:24 odd, I've seen one of these docks with a bbb work. Aug 09 22:05:49 yeah but al monitors are different. though i dotn know what you mean by "dock" Aug 09 22:06:01 * mmattice looks Aug 09 22:06:15 the motorola atrix dock Aug 09 22:06:22 i run my own bbb's in headless configuration. Aug 09 22:06:28 building a lapdog? Aug 09 22:06:44 nah, just using it to play with it initially Aug 09 22:07:02 I guess I can hook up a ttl serial connection to the header for a console? Aug 09 22:07:15 mru: it's been decided. user has to push a button to shut down the beaglebone before unplugging power. :) Aug 09 22:07:19 if you dont need headed might be better, and less frustrating just going straight into it from ssh Aug 09 22:08:26 mru: cause i can't justify cutting traces. Aug 09 22:08:38 some jumpers would have been cool. Aug 09 22:08:50 nomel you can always put a switch on your power supply. Aug 09 22:09:02 and corrupt the disk when they flip it :D Aug 09 22:09:14 normal PCs do that too Aug 09 22:09:26 shutdown -h now <---- Aug 09 22:09:33 yeah, but it's hard telling people that your board is a pc and takes forever when tehy're used to fpgas and whatnot. Aug 09 22:09:37 no, that's slow Aug 09 22:09:49 powerdown -d -f -p is MUCH faster. less than a second, cause it doesn't write log files. Aug 09 22:09:51 the button shuts it down just fine, doesn't it? Aug 09 22:10:00 takes my bbb 20 seconds to boot and abotu the same to shutdown Aug 09 22:10:07 so build a system that tolerates abrupt power loss Aug 09 22:10:11 it's not that hard Aug 09 22:10:20 yeah, but it's confusing having a board power switch and a beaglebone power switch, and keeping the user accountable for the states of both. Aug 09 22:10:33 put the whole thing in a lockbox ? lol Aug 09 22:10:45 encase it in epoxy Aug 09 22:10:48 or just RO only the file system Aug 09 22:10:50 or carbonite Aug 09 22:11:09 i was going to have a fake switch that did everything, but with the beaglebone powering up whenever it gets *any* power, that's a no go. Aug 09 22:11:10 yes, keep the writable bits in ram only Aug 09 22:11:19 Does the beaglebone black have a 5v output pin to control a servo? Aug 09 22:11:49 Jordanv, believe you'd need to do voltage translation Aug 09 22:11:57 SRM should tell all Aug 09 22:12:12 How do you do a voltage translation Aug 09 22:12:16 most of the pins are 3.3V Aug 09 22:12:32 adc's are 1.8v i think but like mru said Aug 09 22:12:57 a transistor would be the obvious way Aug 09 22:13:00 Jordanv, honestly i am not an EE but i know it can be done. Aug 09 22:13:05 Jordanv: there's 5v on the header. you could control it with the 3.3v pin using a fet or something, if you're just talking about control signal, and not power. Aug 09 22:13:39 there are voltage level converter ICs too if i am not mistaken Aug 09 22:13:54 err...you can use that 5v for powering the servo too, as long as you have a 5v wall supply. Aug 09 22:14:21 yeah, no need for a level shifter ic for that. a single transistor would do it. Aug 09 22:14:21 again not an EE so powering a motor . . . is probably a nogo for that specific case Aug 09 22:14:23 Ok, what about powering the beaglebone by battery how do I do that Aug 09 22:14:30 err...transistor and resistor. Aug 09 22:15:01 on the header, there's are some 5v pins you can supply. Aug 09 22:15:56 there are battery pins, but they decided to put them to test points and not a header for whatever raeson. Aug 09 22:16:09 costs Aug 09 22:16:22 holes in pcb don't cost any more. Aug 09 22:16:33 they wanted to hit rpi cost range as much as possible Aug 09 22:16:42 and holes in pcb cost no more than a pad on a pcb Aug 09 22:16:44 that's a moot point. Aug 09 22:16:56 supplying the header pins would cost more, sure Aug 09 22:17:02 but they could have at least made it an option to install a header. Aug 09 22:17:12 pcb space im sure had somethign to do with it Aug 09 22:17:35 holly shit, i'm an idiot Aug 09 22:17:37 there are header holes. Aug 09 22:17:40 nomel: actually, drilling a hole sometimes does increase cost Aug 09 22:17:55 and, yes, the battery pads are actually holes :) Aug 09 22:17:57 pcb space + noise Aug 09 22:18:26 kfoltman: it's very rare for holes to cost more, unless you have a million. Aug 09 22:18:52 im sure with 60k bbb's they'd have hit that million Aug 09 22:18:58 :) Aug 09 22:18:58 heh Aug 09 22:19:09 Jordanv: check out http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps65217c.pdf. the battery pins are on the beaglebone! :D Aug 09 22:19:18 noooo Aug 09 22:19:33 kfoltman: can't please the people Aug 09 22:19:52 im happy. stil want GbE but stilll . . .happy happy Aug 09 22:19:59 mranostay: your screams can be heard in pcb space? Aug 09 22:20:32 m_billybob: GbE would increase the cost too much Aug 09 22:20:52 someone was saying on the groups this morning that the most the bbb can do from a hdd is 20MB/s im dubious Aug 09 22:20:57 mru sure, hense why im happy Aug 09 22:21:15 i doubt you'd be streaming files off the disk Aug 09 22:21:24 if you actually needed gig Aug 09 22:21:28 i netboot my bbb . . . Aug 09 22:21:43 that's just silly though. :P Aug 09 22:21:47 but was thinking the bbb with some modifications would make a decent home server board Aug 09 22:22:01 its not serious if you plan on doing an yserious development Aug 09 22:22:08 its not sillt if* Aug 09 22:22:16 bah Aug 09 22:22:18 besides, it's not that useful Aug 09 22:22:18 you'd be hard pressed to do anything with all that data Aug 09 22:22:20 whatever you know what i mean Aug 09 22:22:37 mru: random number stream :D Aug 09 22:22:37 mru home NAS / SAN Aug 09 22:22:40 on the cheap Aug 09 22:22:47 low p[ower. Aug 09 22:22:50 not with the bone Aug 09 22:23:00 can do it right now Aug 09 22:23:20 with usb disk drive connected or something? Aug 09 22:23:26 you can't possibly attach any storage fast enough to fill a GbE link Aug 09 22:23:26 just not GbE and if it had GbE you'd be limited by USB 2 speeds Aug 09 22:23:38 mru: usb raid array! :D Aug 09 22:23:45 usb is still usb Aug 09 22:23:50 USB 2 is still the bottleneck nomel Aug 09 22:23:59 i wasn't being serious Aug 09 22:24:03 480mbit max theoretical Aug 09 22:24:16 lucky to get half that Aug 09 22:24:17 not even theoretical Aug 09 22:24:21 that's the wire speed Aug 09 22:24:33 mru: not counting bit stuffing Aug 09 22:24:37 much of that is lost in framing Aug 09 22:24:42 and framing, yes Aug 09 22:24:46 and... and... Aug 09 22:24:50 USB is 8/10 encoded ? Aug 09 22:24:53 and half duplex Aug 09 22:24:57 and polling Aug 09 22:25:01 and nonsense Aug 09 22:25:18 wheres dahm firewire when you need it . . . Aug 09 22:25:20 once you get to the actual data, you're down to less than half Aug 09 22:25:23 or even SATA Aug 09 22:25:29 on other chips Aug 09 22:25:52 firewire is in the litter bin of history Aug 09 22:26:04 when i boot USB i get 21MB/s write but only 10.6MB/s reads . . lol whats that all about Aug 09 22:26:38 crap usb spec, crap usb controller, crap usb driver, crap usb device Aug 09 22:26:43 any or all of the above Aug 09 22:26:51 or just USB period ? Aug 09 22:27:00 i know the controller is crap hdparm says so Aug 09 22:27:15 it supports like nothing but bare minimum Aug 09 22:27:21 at least it's better than the rpi one Aug 09 22:27:29 which eats 20% cpu time and still doesn't work Aug 09 22:27:31 not much better Aug 09 22:27:35 no i mean my controller not the BBB side Aug 09 22:27:53 the actual USB case ( controller in that ) Aug 09 22:29:34 21MB/s writes tells me is as good as the USB on my laptop or better Aug 09 22:29:48 you can do most of what you need with the power button if you set it up right Aug 09 22:30:39 ds2: is that to me? Aug 09 22:30:48 if it doesn't have 128-level pressure sensing, it is not right Aug 09 22:30:55 if you so desire Aug 09 22:31:00 Maybe ill hook my USB 3 external case up to it sometime and see whats up. i know that controller is a "beast" Aug 09 22:31:28 ds2: i'll just take it as being completely unrelated to me. Aug 09 22:31:39 m_billybob: I wouldn't be surprised if the usb2 fallback is shit Aug 09 22:31:48 if you so desire Aug 09 22:32:11 mru works ok on my laptop but not sure if the controller on the USB3 device or the controller on the BBB handles that or not Aug 09 22:32:37 the usb3 device has to implement both protocols Aug 09 22:32:43 obviously Aug 09 22:33:14 usb3 is actually a completely separate set of pins Aug 09 22:33:25 never thought about it, and honestly do not know a lot about the innards of USB but you're right thats the only way it makes sense Aug 09 22:34:51 if you look at a usb3 port you'll 5 extra pins at the tip of the tongue Aug 09 22:37:31 or just find something like this ( but in english not russian - i guess ) -> http://news.remotesupport.com/wp-content/uploads/allusb/cable_diagram.jpg Aug 09 22:39:01 http://www.cablestogo.com/static/content/images/tech/usb-3/diagram_lg.jpg like this Aug 09 22:39:20 or just look at the usb spec Aug 09 22:39:49 but keep the mind bleach close if you do that Aug 09 22:41:47 never noticed those extra 5 connections before Aug 09 22:41:57 that first diagram makes it plain though Aug 09 22:43:10 i've never had a usb3.0 product before :-| Aug 09 22:43:29 my laptop has usb3 ports Aug 09 22:43:38 no devices though Aug 09 22:43:42 mru: panto is making a killing on mind beach Aug 09 22:43:58 mranostay: he found a supplier? Aug 09 22:44:32 started brewing it in his flat Aug 09 22:44:42 watched too much Breaking Bad Aug 09 22:44:53 there's such a thing? Aug 09 22:46:23 mranostay: https://plus.google.com/u/0/102150693225130002912/posts/7Dobu48Sxcp Aug 09 22:47:45 lol second comment Aug 09 22:47:47 It's only for engineers... marketing needs to focus on the pretty colors. ;-)? Aug 09 22:48:26 it is only for the contractors actually Aug 09 22:48:55 * mru has never been drug tested Aug 09 22:49:13 only time i was was when i was in the military Aug 09 22:49:14 * mranostay was expecting to be drug tested here Aug 09 22:49:25 * mranostay has never been drug tested as well Aug 09 22:50:02 well actually i had to take one when i got my CDL too yeeeeaaaars ago Aug 09 22:51:29 but anyone who wouldnt want an operator of 80tons worth of goods driven on the highways tested, should be tested themselves Aug 09 22:52:29 yeah but certain drugs shouldn't be on the test i can argue Aug 09 22:52:44 poppy seeds ;) Aug 09 22:53:12 yeah well i think nobody is going to go for legalize heroin and coke movement Aug 09 22:53:27 should let people do what they want. Aug 09 22:54:05 they're going to do drigs if they want anyhow Aug 09 22:54:10 drugs too Aug 09 22:54:53 but if a company wants to screen for drugs i say thats their perogative too Aug 09 22:55:15 m_billybob: well it should be based on if you are doing it at work Aug 09 22:55:39 mru: isn't it illegal for most .eu and the .uk countries to drug test? Aug 09 22:55:46 minus public health workers Aug 09 22:55:48 two ways to look at that though really Aug 09 22:56:07 namely the employee side, and the employer side Aug 09 22:57:27 heh Aug 09 22:57:44 mranostay: no idea Aug 09 22:58:04 * m_billybob lost connection yet again Aug 09 22:58:11 * mranostay kicks m_billybob Aug 09 22:58:45 someone reset our router Aug 09 22:58:57 or something Aug 09 23:00:51 oh how I hate autoconf Aug 09 23:00:58 * m_billybob waves buh bye to the bbb Aug 09 23:02:25 hello Aug 09 23:03:24 I have a BBB which I have flashed with ubuntu 13.04 and I have a weather cape that I would like to use with it. I was wondering if anyone has a similar setup that is working correctly and if so if they could give me some pointers. Aug 09 23:04:20 ap-get install Debian/Linux Aug 09 23:04:21 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/223 Aug 09 23:04:39 apt-get too but yeah ;) Aug 09 23:05:09 debiant what kind of pointers ? not familiar with that cape though Aug 09 23:05:42 Ah mainly if anyone has it working and if there are any programming libraries for it. Aug 09 23:06:05 I know angstrom has an interface but I want to use it with ubuntu Aug 09 23:06:13 first time I have even heard of it Aug 09 23:06:22 libbfd shouldbe reasonably independant of the userland/kernel versions, right? Aug 09 23:07:01 Well I know it causes the BBB with angstrom to lock up I am not sure about how it fares with ubuntu though. Aug 09 23:07:11 debiant can say anything about the cape but do you know if you'rerunning an armhf kernel or not ? Aug 09 23:07:44 I don't know. i think so but I can't remember where i got the image Aug 09 23:08:00 if you're not using an armhf kernel the binaries *may* work as is Aug 09 23:08:34 assuming there are binaries. Aug 09 23:08:48 which binaries? The ones from angstrom? Aug 09 23:09:10 yes. but just a guess on my own behalf Aug 09 23:09:25 what does uname -a say ? Aug 09 23:09:44 I dont have the BBB hooked up at the moment Aug 09 23:09:52 hrm I was hoping I could use it with python Aug 09 23:10:09 ah doesnt say on my end either i am not exactly sure how to tell if the kernel is armhf or not Aug 09 23:12:24 it is armhf. I just looked at the image that I downloaded Aug 09 23:12:32 what does armhf mean? Aug 09 23:12:34 from RCN ? Aug 09 23:12:37 hard float Aug 09 23:12:53 it is using a hardware floating point unit? Aug 09 23:13:02 debiant: it's a calling convention Aug 09 23:13:05 debiant: ABI Aug 09 23:13:23 ABI? Aug 09 23:13:27 debiant: I think armhf means that the floating point values are passed in FPU registers, as opposed to integer registers Aug 09 23:13:33 Application Binary Interface Aug 09 23:13:35 technically is suposed to through NEON from what ive been told Aug 09 23:13:47 m_billybob: AFAIK those are the same registers, no? Aug 09 23:13:56 and angstrom is not an armhf kernel? Aug 09 23:14:01 but ive been told by someone in here matter of fact whom i would trust that debian doesnt really fully use NEON Aug 09 23:14:04 debiant: it's not about kernel Aug 09 23:14:13 debiant: it's about how userspace is compiled Aug 09 23:14:18 kfoltman not possitive just going by what koen told me yesterday Aug 09 23:14:26 ah Aug 09 23:14:46 m_billybob: NEON != VFP, but NEON registers == VFP registers, if I remember correctly Aug 09 23:14:56 but one way or the other angstrom binaries would not run on an ubuntu bbb? Aug 09 23:15:06 debiant: correct Aug 09 23:15:13 what is NEON? Aug 09 23:15:14 what does "fully use neon" mean? Aug 09 23:15:16 kernel doesn't even use floating point point, it just preserves the registers for each process Aug 09 23:15:19 anyway i know that armhf and "armel" dont jibe Aug 09 23:15:29 mru: probably 'compiles FPU code using NEON instructions' in this context Aug 09 23:15:42 yeah, good luck getting any compiler to do that Aug 09 23:15:58 mru: why not? Aug 09 23:16:05 compilers are stupid Aug 09 23:16:15 mru: AFAIK it is possible, of course the end result is not fully vectorized or even close Aug 09 23:16:22 neon is simd, not floating point, isn't it? Aug 09 23:16:25 mru: but you can use NEON instructions to do scalar computation too Aug 09 23:16:32 neon is simd, both integer and float Aug 09 23:16:35 thurgood: uh, simd may be integer of floating point Aug 09 23:16:49 of=or Aug 09 23:16:55 and no, neon does not have scalar operations Aug 09 23:16:56 ah, ok Aug 09 23:16:59 sorry to have broght it up lol didnt mean to spark a debate. Aug 09 23:17:07 of course you can ignore some vector elements Aug 09 23:17:13 and pretend you're operating on scalars Aug 09 23:17:21 not a debate.. learning experience :) Aug 09 23:17:31 but there's really no reason to do that Aug 09 23:17:42 debiant anyhow disregard what i was saying if your kernel is armhf binaries from angstrom probably wont work Aug 09 23:17:46 mru: well, then you're operating on scalars with side effect in uninteresting parts of the device ;) Aug 09 23:17:51 is IEEE5000 a typo of IEEE1500? Aug 09 23:17:58 Nuts Aug 09 23:18:06 any sane compiler uses vfp instructions for floating-point Aug 09 23:18:08 iin the TRM there is a CM_PER_IEEE5000_CLKCTRL Aug 09 23:18:13 so there's no huge problem there Aug 09 23:18:15 but I can't figure out what IEEE5000 is Aug 09 23:18:16 mru: the only reason for that would be to avoid mixing NEON and VFP, which is usually a bad thing/expensive Aug 09 23:18:37 mru: as in, if you have a block using neon intrinsics interspersed with "normal" FP operations Aug 09 23:18:46 mru: (been there, done that) Aug 09 23:18:49 debiant, anyhow worse case you can get the source and possibly recompile without much fuss ( hopefully ) Aug 09 23:19:17 mru: usually, getting rid of the last VFP bit makes things way faster :) Aug 09 23:19:21 Hm that is an idea. Aug 09 23:19:31 yes, switching between neon and vfp instructions requires a pipeline flush on some cores Aug 09 23:20:59 debiant anyhow you'll reach a broader audience on the beagelboard google groups you can always ask there before proceeding firther Aug 09 23:21:13 further too Aug 09 23:21:42 thanks. I am going to look into this a bit more seems like I have a lot of reading to do. Aug 09 23:22:07 debiant i will say that there are known issues with Ubuntu 13.xx and hdmi just a warning Aug 09 23:22:48 I am mostly using it headless over ssh anyway but thanks for the heads up. Aug 09 23:22:59 good call Aug 09 23:25:00 mru from memory and do keep in mind my memory is not perfect . . . something about userland apps, not using NEON, or hard float, or somethign in that context. I am still learning lots myself still so . . . Aug 09 23:25:42 the only apps that make any meaningful use of neon are those hand-optimised for it Aug 09 23:25:49 I did not fully understand what was said to me. Aug 09 23:26:37 the number of such apps is growing, of course Aug 09 23:27:29 i did notice that linaro's gcc has some compiler options for NEON passed that . . .i dontknow much Aug 09 23:27:54 gcc makes a valiant effort Aug 09 23:27:58 and usually screws up Aug 09 23:28:32 * mru used to be on the linaro toolchain team Aug 09 23:28:45 how did you like that ? Aug 09 23:29:18 not enough to stay Aug 09 23:29:43 heh Aug 09 23:29:50 figured after i thought about it for a second lol Aug 09 23:29:54 past tense" Aug 09 23:34:43 isn't VFP required for ARMv7 but NEON is optional? Aug 09 23:35:14 both are optional Aug 09 23:35:31 but nobody has afaik ever built an integer-only core Aug 09 23:35:54 one of the very first cortex-a9 test chips was funny Aug 09 23:36:00 it was dual-core but only one core had neon Aug 09 23:36:33 that's got to be fun to schedule Aug 09 23:36:42 nobody even tried Aug 09 23:36:48 it was only for testing Aug 09 23:37:01 taskset is your friend Aug 09 23:47:09 mru, so since i figure you would know this. Is there a good doument for reading /learning about recent gcc's for ARM ? General all around good read Aug 09 23:47:35 not much to it really Aug 09 23:47:54 all the command line flags are in the documentation Aug 09 23:48:02 so just --help and read ( cmd line switch ) per tool ? Aug 09 23:48:05 ah ok Aug 09 23:48:17 http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ Aug 09 23:49:03 think i may have run across that at some point yeap, definately will keep me busy for a while Aug 09 23:49:14 mru thanks :) Aug 09 23:49:37 you can get that locally with 'info gcc' Aug 09 23:50:40 hmm interresting that i never knew of obviously wouldnt work on windows Aug 09 23:57:54 ok so i feel like a dumbass how long has info been in linux ? lol man i know info i never knew about Aug 09 23:59:08 apparently i have no gcc "installed" and any of my linux system I use gcc as a normal user, usually. Aug 09 23:59:10 since the dawn of time Aug 09 23:59:16 yeah i figured Aug 09 23:59:52 texinfo predates linux Aug 10 00:02:46 GOD DAMN FUCKEN AUTOCONF Aug 10 00:02:51 DIE AUTOCONF DIE Aug 10 00:03:14 * m_billybob semses a dosturbance in the force Aug 10 00:03:20 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/43 Aug 10 00:03:22 disturbance too Aug 10 00:06:27 autoconf - worse peice of shit ever. Aug 10 00:06:43 now run it on an rpi Aug 10 00:08:32 things do not run on the rpi Aug 10 00:11:06 in mother russia things run you on rpi Aug 10 00:11:19 * m_billybob ducks Aug 10 00:14:02 Has anyone made changes to TI starterware to support BBB? Aug 10 00:14:26 * m_billybob doesnt know Aug 10 00:17:12 is there a straight forward guide to use usb Wifi with BBB? Aug 10 00:29:50 so, i have the on board emmc disabled on the beaglebone black Aug 10 00:30:09 and running using the latest 30-7-2013 beaglebone image running off the sd card :D Aug 10 00:32:25 brimestone: there's many Aug 10 00:32:27 so, it does work, even though the wiki suggests it may not work. Aug 10 00:32:30 brimestone: http://www.codealpha.net/864/how-to-set-up-a-rtl8192cu-on-the-beaglebone-black-bbb/ Aug 10 00:32:51 brimestone: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/beaglebone/KB_zZ7f_vCk Aug 10 00:33:58 brimestone: http://nordicgroup.us/bbb/wireless/ Aug 10 00:34:00 has anyone figured out the i2c commands required to put the hdmi framer in low power mode? Aug 10 00:34:13 wmato, the new irc search engine? Aug 10 00:34:37 nomel: heh Aug 10 00:35:40 nomel: don't make me do it for you too ;) Aug 10 00:38:01 hrmm...i think i found it. Aug 10 00:38:08 reference manual says it can be put in low power mode with i2c Aug 10 00:38:16 Gerald says it goes into low power mode when you disconnect the hdmi cable. Aug 10 00:41:28 anyone have any experience with bluetooth on the bbb Aug 10 00:42:38 i'm assuming it just works in ubuntu or debian. :P Aug 10 00:43:32 well Aug 10 00:43:44 I've got the bluetooth service running and everything seems to be working Aug 10 00:43:48 but it's not discoverable Aug 10 00:44:02 and I don't know any command line utils to make it connectable (or to make it connect to anything) Aug 10 00:49:22 so turns out my RPi is taking 30+ seconds to processes and image and send to printer via cups, when i overclock it, its 10 seconds faster. hopefully my beagle bone black will speed up the process when i get it monday =\ Aug 10 00:57:26 is there a temp sensor in the BBB SoC??? Aug 10 00:59:46 tolip, yes, don't know how well it works though Aug 10 01:00:58 I'll hunt down the docs, long as I know that what I am looking for exists. THANK YOU! :) Aug 10 01:02:03 I'm spoiled with gkrellm on my PC Aug 10 01:02:12 tolip: check out bandgap_ctrl Aug 10 01:02:48 register, if you're looking for lowest level Aug 10 01:03:30 (not sure this is what you want, but it showed up in my search for "temperature") Aug 10 01:06:19 i have a wlan0 on my ifconfig.. but its not getting any ip? I tried to #ifup wlan0 but then i get "ifup: can't open '/etc/network/interfaces': No such file or directory" Aug 10 01:06:46 nomel: thx, First I'm just lookin for a way to check it from Angstrom. Similar to 'sensors' on most nix's Aug 10 01:11:05 hello Aug 10 01:12:24 ahhh it might be that im using WPA2 Aug 10 01:13:35 is this an open chat? Aug 10 01:14:35 no, go away.. erm I mean yes Aug 10 01:14:56 :( Aug 10 01:16:23 BEER!!!!!!!! Aug 10 01:18:54 dang did he actually not get that was a joke? Aug 10 01:19:41 thurgood: happens Aug 10 01:22:34 tolip: you should be able to access that register with devmem2 Aug 10 01:22:41 actually, i'll try it right now for fun. Aug 10 01:23:02 noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Aug 10 01:23:47 I just saw that in opkg list, lol Aug 10 01:24:02 * Stoob is full of fury Aug 10 01:24:40 Furry leads to the Dark Side Aug 10 01:26:57 nomel: I get a bus error, but I B an ignorant newb Aug 10 01:26:58 * mranostay blares Daft Punk at mru Aug 10 01:27:54 * mranostay blares moose mating music at ka6sox-Alyeska Aug 10 01:28:05 tolip: 0x that address, fool Aug 10 01:28:08 i get 53 Aug 10 01:28:27 why the hell is bluetoothd (aka bluetooth.service) completely ignoring anything i put in /etc/bluetooth/main.cfg Aug 10 01:28:30 doesn't feel like 53 to my finger. must be some conversion. Aug 10 01:28:33 main.conf * Aug 10 01:29:01 53 decimal for bits 15:8. I get 0x351E for full register. Aug 10 01:29:03 mranostay, the Moose ran away Aug 10 01:29:11 what do you get tolip? Aug 10 01:29:20 devmem2 0x44E10448 Aug 10 01:30:47 nomel: I got 321E Aug 10 01:31:36 woot! mine is changing with temperature. Aug 10 01:31:37 :D Aug 10 01:31:43 :D Aug 10 01:32:32 went from 53 to 58. Aug 10 01:32:49 with "full" cpu load. Aug 10 01:33:25 mine is almost no load and just a tad cooler than your started :) Aug 10 01:33:44 thanks for the tidbit!!!!!!!! Aug 10 01:37:06 tolip, if you have a thermocouple and some grease, you could probably figure out the conversion by measuring cold and hot. Aug 10 01:37:06 nomel: it should be simple to plug it into gkrellm if I ever get that far Aug 10 01:37:53 I got an IR gun, but I have an LCD3 in the way Aug 10 01:38:27 stick it in the fridge and measure right after you boot, then measure after some 100% cpu :D Aug 10 01:38:44 (not really) Aug 10 01:39:11 as best i can tell, bluetoothd is useless. Aug 10 01:39:31 I have some thermocouples somewhere (are you familiar with Fibber McGee's closet???) Aug 10 01:41:08 nomel: might could find some data at TI re:SoC Aug 10 02:21:01 nomel: I wonder if it is a direct readout of temp in deg C, they might use the trim registers to calibrate it at the factory. the ~50 we are seeing sounds about right for a die temp. there is also a temp sensor on the DDR3 but it may not be exposed Aug 10 02:22:46 nomel: I been hunting thru the tech ref doc @ http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/spruh73h Aug 10 02:23:28 hello Aug 10 02:23:39 hi Aug 10 02:25:02 Got any experience with WIFI/networking in Angstrom? Aug 10 02:27:44 root@beaglebone:~/Dalek Server# iwlist wlan0 scan wlan0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:18:E7:DD:52:2E ESSID:"BoomersWIFI" Protocol:IEEE 802.11bgn Mode:Master Frequency:2.412 GHz (Channel 1) Encryption key:on Bit Rates:144 Mb/s Extra:rsn_ie=30180100000fac020200000fac04000fac0 Aug 10 02:28:39 So when I scan for networks it says quality: Quality=100/100 Signal level=69/100, but iwconfig says "Link Quality=2/100 Signal level=2/100 Noise level=0/100". Any ideas why? Aug 10 02:28:53 I am trying to trace back why I suddenly lose connections Aug 10 02:42:07 Hello **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 10 02:59:58 2013