**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 12 02:59:58 2013 Aug 12 03:08:54 ds2, thanks. would you say it is worth my time investment using ? I have an appliance type situation, WebUI control etc Aug 12 03:09:21 seems like it would be, but i dont know if there are better options out there Aug 12 03:09:28 IMO, no Aug 12 03:09:42 m_billybob: who's the author of that book? Aug 12 03:09:43 what would be a better option in your pinion then ? Aug 12 03:09:50 * m_billybob looks Aug 12 03:09:53 just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing Aug 12 03:10:01 4 of them its an oreily book Aug 12 03:10:11 Bob something? Aug 12 03:10:17 and John something are 2 of them? Aug 12 03:10:27 No Starch Press, Copyright © 2007 by Bob Smith, John Hardin, Graham Phillips, and Bill Pierce Aug 12 03:10:39 Good, it is the same thing Aug 12 03:10:53 I was not convinced it was a good idea when they trying telling me about it during lunch one time Aug 12 03:11:23 it depends on what exactly you need Aug 12 03:11:53 i just need a decent WebUI, would like ot avoid writtign as much code as possible but am not adverse to writting *some* code on my own Aug 12 03:12:32 what runs ur appliance? Aug 12 03:12:36 it has been reccommended to me that I would probably want t use somethign like phpbb for security, then put the appliance behind a securety appliance Aug 12 03:13:16 right now its just a BBB with debian on it. I can make it run whatever i need assumign what i need will work Aug 12 03:13:36 i am sure i can make somethign work but just dont know what tools i should use Aug 12 03:13:48 tools, libs, etc Aug 12 03:13:50 it comes down to how ur control code is setup Aug 12 03:13:59 if it dumps out XML files, you can just read that Aug 12 03:14:11 otherwise, put in a port 80 handler and do it that way Aug 12 03:14:12 most likely standard sysfs Aug 12 03:14:23 you can always do it in node.js Aug 12 03:14:36 thought of that too Aug 12 03:15:13 i just dont want to waste my time fooking aroudn with a bunch of stuff. literaly no expeprience Aug 12 03:15:26 experience in this regard* Aug 12 03:16:08 thought about using bonescript even but right now its not ready for my own needs Aug 12 03:16:24 which is just a script on top of node.js from what i understand Aug 12 03:18:38 ds2, ok thanks again. seeems i need to do a bit more research still Aug 12 04:58:17 hi Aug 12 04:59:09 can anyone say me whether i can get a Beaglebone Black Kit via my Paypal account ? Aug 12 05:04:33 edwinosborn: check the distributors and their options Aug 12 05:04:35 meh Aug 12 05:04:42 kind of a silly question Aug 12 05:04:59 ( anyways ) Aug 12 05:05:09 like you said, that'd been the first thing id have checked Aug 12 05:16:28 hi,all,today I want to connect my BBB to my monitor through an adapter but after I boot my BBB there is nothing but an linux icon on my monitor Aug 12 05:16:48 after a while,the login screen show on my monitor Aug 12 05:17:33 but disappear after a mintue Aug 12 05:19:31 it's called a screen saver Aug 12 05:22:17 heh Aug 12 05:22:22 so retro Aug 12 05:23:55 lol yeah id be ashamed too Aug 12 05:24:44 "I'd like to RMA this board, the screen goes black during power outage!" Aug 12 05:25:09 "as such i can not even figureout how to install rasbian on it . . ." Aug 12 05:25:32 still got to be one of my favorite questions "how do i install rasbian on the BBB?" Aug 12 05:26:12 someone asked that? Aug 12 05:26:17 yes sir Aug 12 05:26:29 well, technically, ... Aug 12 05:26:34 think it was asked just before or after someone asked how he could install more ram Aug 12 05:27:00 dm8tbr yeah i know but still like install debian right ? Aug 12 05:27:11 sure, we know that Aug 12 05:27:35 why should rasbian not install Aug 12 05:27:51 BBB should run armv6 Aug 12 05:27:53 yeah, my point. just needs a working kernel Aug 12 05:27:56 av500 but thats not really the question Aug 12 05:28:04 the question is "why" Aug 12 05:28:12 because Aug 12 05:28:36 if I'd be _really_ bored I'd go and do that right now. "because I can" Aug 12 05:29:08 i cant argue with the "becasue i can" part because I do that too, but most likely not in this case lol Aug 12 05:30:00 btw: I'm sure this would be _wildly_ popular with the rpi fanboiz and would probably make /. and hackaday... Aug 12 05:30:09 for all the obviously wrong reasons Aug 12 05:30:23 computer runs software, film at 11 Aug 12 05:30:28 lol Aug 12 05:30:54 m_billybob: I found that most of todays "hacks" can be summed up by that Aug 12 05:31:27 yup. install qemu-x86, boot winxp image. hackaday frontpage Aug 12 05:31:44 dm8tbr yeah idk you might have to work the arduino factor in there some where too Aug 12 05:31:50 then it'd make /. for sure Aug 12 05:32:15 m_billybob: well, you do know about the userspace arduino project? Aug 12 05:32:47 dm8tbr i may have read about it but not familiar with it. I tend to shy away from any rpi or arduino Aug 12 05:32:57 aything * Aug 12 05:33:02 anything . . . Aug 12 05:33:34 I cannot explain it. i just feel dirty reading arduino code. i have no excuse. Aug 12 05:34:03 why the sudden arduino bashing? Aug 12 05:34:26 im not bashing arduino, i just dont like it. use one if you wish Aug 12 05:35:08 isnt arduino mostly C? Aug 12 05:35:16 in theeir "IDE"/SDK Aug 12 05:35:26 C/C++ i believe Aug 12 05:35:31 yes Aug 12 05:35:44 gpio::toggle Aug 12 05:36:13 I don't mind bashing arduino Aug 12 05:38:22 av500 i guess ijust have a problem with their framework if thats what you'd like to call it. but on the other side of the coin I have seen some fairly ingenious stuff done with arduino Aug 12 05:38:44 duino is good for 3D printers and such, has good PWM support. The LinuxCNC folks got the BBB workin reasonably well now though. Aug 12 05:39:06 the duino is horrible for 3D printers Aug 12 05:39:13 something i have an interrest is mppt charge controller. seen a fairly cool mppt project done with one. but it was as about as simple as you can get in that realm Aug 12 05:39:17 but they are too busy reinventing the wheel to see it yet. Aug 12 05:39:20 give it a few years Aug 12 05:40:49 mppptpst? Aug 12 05:41:17 The person who wrote the software though wrote the code all in C using no duino libs/framework stuff Aug 12 05:47:06 I take that back looks like he uses TimerOne.h Aug 12 05:47:36 i think this is it -> http://www.timnolan.com/?page=arduino-ppt-solar-charger Aug 12 05:48:26 Anyhow we're solar powered so probably of less interrest to most. Aug 12 05:57:18 How many watts are you pulling in usually? Aug 12 06:00:48 250kW normally Aug 12 06:01:14 depends on SoC of the bank but have notice as high as 300A @ 12v nominal. now when i say 12v nominal the actual voltage was probably above 14v Aug 12 06:01:42 it doesnt stay that high for long . . . Aug 12 06:01:43 Does anyone know which Android source is used for the BBB android build? Need to investigate if there is a way to set static IP on eth0. Afraid that statis/dhcp is set in the build. Aug 12 06:01:53 m_billybob: how thuck of a wire do you use? Aug 12 06:02:24 I think most is 8 guage ( we have many wire runs ) Aug 12 06:02:36 err 6 guage Aug 12 06:02:39 wow. didn't think #8 can handle 300A Aug 12 06:02:43 must get a bit warm? Aug 12 06:02:54 mippen: rowboat? Aug 12 06:02:56 they have a git Aug 12 06:03:04 its not a single run each bank / charge controller gets its own set of wires Aug 12 06:03:06 300A?? Nice Aug 12 06:03:23 I think a 300B sounds warmer Aug 12 06:03:54 Vaizki our peak is as high as ~5400W but we'll never see that Aug 12 06:04:28 You run a whole village off that? :) Aug 12 06:04:33 eficiency plays a big part in that Aug 12 06:04:43 no just one 100'x80' building Aug 12 06:05:06 we have more panels but those re connected to two seperate solar water pumps Aug 12 06:05:34 wells that are ~450 feet deep Aug 12 06:06:51 has rowboat a release now for BBB? Have to look into that.. last time I checked there where no BBB build Aug 12 06:06:52 one does aroudn 2 gallons a minute the other does aroudn 6 gallons a minute. enough to keep a largish garden and two small orchards watered Aug 12 06:07:12 Where are you? Aug 12 06:07:17 Arizona Aug 12 06:07:20 mippen: what android build are you running then? Aug 12 06:07:50 rowboat don't have to be specific to BBB Aug 12 06:08:08 Using a prebuilt 4.2.2 version Aug 12 06:08:38 it is just some stupid userland. Aug 12 06:08:52 "TI_Android_JB_4.2.2_DevKit_4.1.1_beagleboneblack" Aug 12 06:09:33 Vaizki our arrays ->https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eBENCbmDBLc/UgVE_686nmI/AAAAAAAAAMo/KSWNxhtVm1U/s912/solar-array01.jpg Aug 12 06:09:44 mippen: sounds a lot like rowboat to me Aug 12 06:10:16 m_billybob: you could have allinged the 5 on top properly, couldnt you Aug 12 06:10:24 av500: hey sweet buns Aug 12 06:10:30 yo kid Aug 12 06:10:33 teeth brushed? Aug 12 06:10:56 no Aug 12 06:11:18 av500 actualy the top arays are closer to summer maximum than the ones flat on the roof Aug 12 06:11:34 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cqOjaY90RdE/UgVFBrQyJuI/AAAAAAAAAMw/ikT9UP5XmXM/s912/solar-array02.jpg Aug 12 06:11:42 thats the new array we put up this spring Aug 12 06:11:55 ( which is the one in the bottomof the first pic ) Aug 12 06:12:01 Could be.. think I got it via TI's site. Is there away to set static IP without doing an own build? Aug 12 06:12:50 yes. Aug 12 06:13:22 48V? Aug 12 06:13:26 12 Aug 12 06:13:38 54 Aug 12 06:13:41 we'relikely to move to 24v next year Aug 12 06:13:53 m_billybob: any accidents where wrenches get vaporized? Aug 12 06:14:03 we're goign to have 6900W more panels and the need for 220v Aug 12 06:14:05 26v + 26v? Aug 12 06:14:14 ds2 sacrificed one screw driver Aug 12 06:15:08 m_billybob: how quickly did that vaporize? Aug 12 06:15:33 it didnt but split second burned a whole nearly completely thru it Aug 12 06:15:39 hole* Aug 12 06:16:01 probably a 1/4" screwdriver shaft Aug 12 06:16:18 oh my Aug 12 06:16:45 needless to say, that doesnt happen any more lol Aug 12 06:17:58 Yea with 24 or 48V your amps would be a bit less Aug 12 06:18:43 https://picasaweb.google.com/106867156582775247949/February62013?authkey=Gv1sRgCPCf8-uDppK9VA#slideshow/5841924642843989938 Aug 12 06:18:56 chare controllers, we've sicne put up 4 more Aug 12 06:19:11 but thats ~81A on just those 3 Aug 12 06:20:03 wel lactually its probably around 70 A the last digimeter is voltage ( 13.68v ) Aug 12 06:20:36 m_billybob: I wonder if you can start a car from that panel Aug 12 06:20:48 m_billybob: love your pool Aug 12 06:21:09 most definately Aug 12 06:21:15 https://picasaweb.google.com/106867156582775247949/February62013?authkey=Gv1sRgCPCf8-uDppK9VA#slideshow/5841924509974432162 Aug 12 06:21:22 if you like electronics parts rooms Aug 12 06:21:29 you'll love that last picture Aug 12 06:21:31 you run a computer museum? Aug 12 06:21:54 a separate bin for 37Ohm..... Aug 12 06:22:01 wulf my buddy is an arcade board PCB repair hobbyist, and when i say hobbyist, you'll likely not find anyone better Aug 12 06:22:26 he loves to restore retro arcade boards Aug 12 06:22:44 dusty pcbs are dusty... Aug 12 06:23:59 lol this is arizona 6k feet above sea level sandy, and windy Aug 12 06:24:09 we have dust ALWAYS Aug 12 06:24:23 dust for breakfast, dust for supper Aug 12 06:24:28 dust with dust Aug 12 06:24:34 dust to shower with. Aug 12 06:24:44 its pretty nasty here dust wise. Aug 12 06:24:46 to shower the dust off Aug 12 06:24:58 dont eat the yellow dust Aug 12 06:26:13 heh we're working on it here in a few years this whole place will hopefuly be grassy Aug 12 06:26:15 I watched a documentary about salt mines once, you can bring down computers and run them fine Aug 12 06:26:20 but you cannot bring them up Aug 12 06:26:29 salt dust will get wet and kill it Aug 12 06:26:56 mranostay: take not Aug 12 06:26:58 mranostay: take note Aug 12 06:26:58 take apart, but in dishwasher, douse with alcohol let dry for two days Aug 12 06:27:02 FIXED ;) Aug 12 06:27:10 put in dishwasher* Aug 12 06:27:13 small things yes Aug 12 06:27:26 maybe not the loaders and lorries etc Aug 12 06:27:45 well, as a hobby maybe Aug 12 06:29:10 yea that's some dust... Aug 12 06:29:45 I couldn't do it, live somewhere with that kind of dust problem. Aug 12 06:30:14 you get used to it, as well as showering regularly Aug 12 06:30:14 av500: i've worked in salt mines just not that kind Aug 12 06:32:02 Vaizki the thing most people would have issues with at least for a month or so is the altitude. the air is pretty thin up here. and during winter, could have snow on the ground, but if the sun is out, it *will* feel hot still Aug 12 06:33:27 or at least warm anyhow Aug 12 06:34:30 but its not like pheonix here. we have pretty even temperatures year round thats one of the great thing comparitively mild summer. doesnt get much above 100F here ever Aug 12 06:34:52 m_billybob: where areyou? Aug 12 06:34:55 dont thin kwe even hit 100F here this year Aug 12 06:34:56 yea.. I've spent a lot of time in Mexico City and the altitude + dust + pollution in the summertime does not agree with me Aug 12 06:35:09 no polution here at all Vaizki Aug 12 06:35:15 yes I know Aug 12 06:35:33 ds2 East Arizona Aug 12 06:37:59 our solar problems must be a bit different than yours.. like in the winter if the sun doesn't come up over the horizon at all during the day ;) Aug 12 06:38:12 Vaizki anyhow the idea is in a couple years we'll have nothing but grazing grass on the whole property here. it'll be lots of work but will be worth it in the end Aug 12 06:38:16 where at ? Aug 12 06:38:27 well here in southern Finland it does but not further north Aug 12 06:38:34 ah Aug 12 06:38:39 hows the wind ? Aug 12 06:39:02 pesky if you ask me ;) Aug 12 06:39:25 wind can be good power too best is hydro though if you're lucky enough to have a suitable running stream Aug 12 06:40:00 finland is a bit flat and I think it's illegal to hydro streams without separate permits which aren't really forthcoming.. Aug 12 06:40:14 then again, don't ask, do and say "oh" if someone finds out Aug 12 06:40:16 we actually have a largish wind farm within visual range from us, so yeah we get strong wind and good sun Aug 12 06:40:25 lol Aug 12 06:40:46 that has to suck. Aug 12 06:41:06 i mean if you own the property and water rights . . . yeah idk Aug 12 06:44:29 I guess the government doesn't want people messing with the streams because of the trout etc.. Aug 12 06:44:41 not everything goes downstream :) Aug 12 06:44:57 yeah i can see where they're comming from. water supply contamination too id guess Aug 12 06:45:22 yea but we're a pretty clean bunch here Aug 12 06:45:29 sure. Aug 12 06:45:45 ( no sarcasm ) Aug 12 06:46:07 they just shut down emissions from a Russian phosphorous plant or something like that.. it polluted the Baltic Sea as much as all of Finland combined Aug 12 06:46:24 :/ Aug 12 06:46:27 one plant vs our country, and we share a shallow & enclosed sea with them Aug 12 06:49:37 but yea I guess a small hydro plant would not disturb a stream very much.. you could just run a truck alternator from a small diameter pipe and generate respectable amounts of power Aug 12 06:49:55 and screns for the fishies Aug 12 06:49:59 screens* Aug 12 06:51:42 kiilo: sägemol, woher chunt din nick eigentli? Aug 12 06:55:59 a wonderfull good evening mrpackethead, may the JIHAD be with you Aug 12 06:56:15 thanks KotH i think Aug 12 06:56:25 * m_billybob feels a disturbance in the JIHAD Aug 12 06:57:54 * KotH stirs the soup Aug 12 06:58:20 oh... today is schrödingers caturday! Aug 12 06:59:36 KotH: just sent the Purchase order today for Altium linceces Aug 12 06:59:38 and training Aug 12 07:00:07 ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Altium Aug 12 07:02:42 mrpackethead: i hope you've fun with it Aug 12 07:02:52 ds2: what's wrong with altium? Aug 12 07:03:25 KotH: it runs in windows Aug 12 07:03:39 ^ Aug 12 07:03:43 eh.. Aug 12 07:03:54 ds2: how many eda packages run on linux? Aug 12 07:03:55 It could be worse. Aug 12 07:03:57 so does orcad Aug 12 07:04:36 KotH: Eagle, gEDA, KiCAD Aug 12 07:05:02 So not a whole lot of high-end stuff Aug 12 07:05:04 i rest my case Aug 12 07:05:16 indeed Aug 12 07:05:47 ds2: the winblows thing is the down side Aug 12 07:05:58 but Eagle, Geda and kicad are kind of toyish. Aug 12 07:06:32 so is altium Aug 12 07:06:37 it crashes too much Aug 12 07:06:51 ds2: thats usually botched up installations Aug 12 07:06:57 if you want non toyish, there is ORCAD, Allegro, etc Aug 12 07:06:59 ds2: reinstall it and it will work fine Aug 12 07:07:02 bah Aug 12 07:07:14 I have lost enough time with the Altium predecessor Aug 12 07:07:21 orcad and allegro do not run on linux either Aug 12 07:07:31 yes Aug 12 07:07:34 but at least they are not toyish Aug 12 07:07:45 Altium is a toy and it runs on Windows Aug 12 07:08:01 only potential mitigating factor is that it does MCAD integration Aug 12 07:08:12 i'm not saying that altium is the best tool out there, but it's one with a better bang for the buck Aug 12 07:08:29 it is horrible Aug 12 07:09:28 what's horrible? Aug 12 07:10:16 hoi woglinde Aug 12 07:10:31 altium Aug 12 07:10:44 what about altium is horrible? Aug 12 07:11:08 first of all the name Aug 12 07:11:23 * KotH nods Aug 12 07:11:28 see Aug 12 07:11:28 yes, the name could be a lot better Aug 12 07:11:33 do we need to go further? Aug 12 07:11:37 we already agree Aug 12 07:12:05 yes, we do need to go further! world domination awaits us! Aug 12 07:28:41 i went shopping: http://www.secondfloor.ca/robert/new/new-workdesk.jpg Aug 12 07:29:30 its too small Aug 12 07:29:54 depends what i'm doing Aug 12 07:30:28 also looks not very sturdy Aug 12 07:30:46 is that foldable? Aug 12 07:32:03 ds2, what do you use. A black pen and transparent paper? Aug 12 07:32:08 and those rub off dot things Aug 12 07:33:31 ds2: are you trying to install opencv? Aug 12 07:34:15 folable, yes Aug 12 07:34:30 foldable, yes Aug 12 07:35:09 in one way, i want my space to be functional for me; in another way, i want my space to be stylish to other people. this is a difficult mix Aug 12 07:35:46 right now, my bedroom is a total mess Aug 12 07:36:01 can barely navigate it Aug 12 07:36:53 ashes: funny, in firefox I get a redirect loop for that whole domain, regardless of path Aug 12 07:37:03 i'm a prospect for the TV show Horders, right now Aug 12 07:37:18 dm8tbr: i use firefox Aug 12 07:37:24 works if I change it to https tho Aug 12 07:37:53 https is prefered. you're not the first person to complain. i'll check it out Aug 12 07:38:03 "The page isn't redirecting properly" Aug 12 07:38:06 no idea why Aug 12 07:38:19 maybe some rewrite rule running amok? Aug 12 07:38:26 it's probably redirecting to https, and my html is bad Aug 12 07:38:44 gm all Aug 12 07:38:50 good moaning woglinde Aug 12 07:39:33 the new desk is nice and solid Aug 12 07:40:08 i will probably destroy the desk top, but that can be replaced Aug 12 07:40:16 * dm8tbr likes the wall thingy Aug 12 07:40:19 anybody with the name Allan Tull around ? Aug 12 07:41:06 I have an old university desk, super heavy, as workdesk, nice stuff. just would need to unearth it under the pile of movingboxes :/ Aug 12 07:42:22 ashes: no matter what you do, it's too small! Aug 12 07:42:37 yes, that's a standard problem Aug 12 07:42:51 stuff expands to fill your desk automagically Aug 12 07:43:51 ashes: and why should your desk be stylish to others? Aug 12 07:43:54 too small -> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aW3KFezSv_c/URKu2Xq_-CI/AAAAAAAAAGU/jnuh5Q2tN60/s912/DSC00079.jpg Aug 12 07:44:06 ashes: do you have parties on your desk, regularly? Aug 12 07:44:24 someone is making a reflow oven Aug 12 07:44:33 someone has one made Aug 12 07:44:52 KotH: because it's part of my house Aug 12 07:45:35 ashes: dont let people in that room Aug 12 07:46:17 ashes: my study is a complete mess with books on the floor everywhere. but mere mortals are not allowed there Aug 12 07:46:35 mrpackethead -> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--ZzY8TanVCU/UTpiiPdkv8I/AAAAAAAAAJE/RzJLr2WHoOM/s912/DSC00095.jpg Aug 12 07:47:34 that'd be the reflow oven controller, and yes that an msp430 launchpad Aug 12 07:48:21 only for debugging / uploading code. can run standalone with an msp430G2553 Aug 12 07:48:27 i have a sparkfun one Aug 12 07:48:31 works pretty well Aug 12 07:48:59 KotH: my bedroom is my only room. i rent a room Aug 12 07:49:05 yeah thats what you said before im just in "show off mode" atm Aug 12 07:50:38 i still dont have the code for that quite polished yet though Aug 12 07:52:23 lol browsing videos on youtubem and hit a related video tagged "Linux torvalds: java is a terrible language" Aug 12 07:52:28 nuh uh ! Aug 12 07:52:42 Linus* but yeah Aug 12 07:52:42 * mranostay notes the people at the bar downstairs are loud Aug 12 07:52:51 ashes: living like a poor student? Aug 12 07:52:52 don't people have to work today? Aug 12 07:52:56 remember - his native language is Finnish Aug 12 07:53:08 mranostay: work is for the masses. Aug 12 07:53:14 play is for the free Aug 12 07:53:28 $beagle is for tghe ... Aug 12 07:53:35 mrpackethead: maybe but this overpriced flat isn't paying for itself Aug 12 07:54:04 mranostay: go join them! Aug 12 07:54:11 we all know why you really live there mranostay Aug 12 07:54:19 short trip to get a beer. Aug 12 07:54:36 mrpackethead: yes no DUI risk is one reason Aug 12 07:55:07 hopefully you get discount pricing Aug 12 07:55:19 mranostay: you should move to a country with working public transport Aug 12 07:55:44 beer prices in a bar ug . . . Aug 12 07:56:10 "bud light please" that'll be $15.99 thanks Aug 12 07:56:24 heh Aug 12 07:56:24 forget about good stuff Aug 12 07:56:54 er yeah what horrible bars have you been too? Aug 12 07:56:55 m_billybob: that's why the local university has a bar run by students Aug 12 07:59:24 havent been to a bar in quite some time actually Aug 12 07:59:42 obviously i was overstating Aug 12 07:59:48 hey everyone! is there some reason this code would not work on a bbb? http://pastebin.com/8A9yeiqn Aug 12 08:00:09 cverster: yes, there are many Aug 12 08:00:27 I used the command "echo BB-UART4 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots" to setup my UART Aug 12 08:00:50 #1 where is main() ? ;) Aug 12 08:00:59 haha, -_- Aug 12 08:01:09 must bepython Aug 12 08:01:31 I also connected pins P9.11 to P9.13, thus RX and TX of UART 4 Aug 12 08:01:32 no error message ? Aug 12 08:01:45 nope, just doesnt read anything when I send serial! Aug 12 08:01:57 permissions ? Aug 12 08:02:09 permissions? Aug 12 08:02:31 you need permission ultraviolet! Aug 12 08:02:44 what is this thing that you speak of Aug 12 08:02:50 7bit odd parity 2 stop bits? really? Aug 12 08:02:50 permission to shuffle bits over copper Aug 12 08:02:57 reading / writting /dev/tty doesnt require specific permission ? Aug 12 08:03:14 ok, how do I set the permissions? Aug 12 08:03:20 with chmod Aug 12 08:03:24 it's a file Aug 12 08:03:39 note: the code runs. Aug 12 08:03:50 but open() then would throw stones Aug 12 08:03:50 i know chmod, what extensions do I use then? Aug 12 08:04:08 open() should throw an exception if it can't access the file Aug 12 08:04:38 * m_billybob was guessing Aug 12 08:04:47 or actually morelike asking Aug 12 08:05:12 it's time for scope/logic probe Aug 12 08:05:18 cverster: are you sure it's 7,O,2 and not 8,N,1 ... Aug 12 08:06:02 Vaizki: How do I check? Is there a default setup for the serial ports? Aug 12 08:06:18 8n1 Aug 12 08:06:22 and since what you are doing is basically a terminal program why not try some ready made terminal first to see if the other end is talking to you Aug 12 08:06:39 cverster: 99.99999.. of modern serials are 8 bit, no parity, 1 stop bit Aug 12 08:06:57 even if I make it 8n1, it does not read anything Aug 12 08:07:16 are you sure there's stuff coming in over the serial? Aug 12 08:07:25 is this the famous off by 1 eror ? Aug 12 08:07:35 no I'm not sure Aug 12 08:07:37 e.g. off by one tty device Aug 12 08:07:50 note: I connected the TX to the RX, im using the same port Aug 12 08:09:38 ok so if baud rate was off, you'd get gibberish so thats not it ( because you're gettign nothing ) Aug 12 08:09:42 ah ok loopback Aug 12 08:09:55 -> scope/logic analyzer Aug 12 08:09:59 yep, nothing at all Aug 12 08:10:20 ynezz: osciloscope on the TX terminal? Aug 12 08:10:53 does it matter? Aug 12 08:11:10 try both, it's faster then typing the question here Aug 12 08:11:35 I think my problem is with the setup of the port, I mean, when I "echo BB-UART4 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr./slots", that gives me /dev/ttyO4, but is that sufficient to now just open that port and start using it? Aug 12 08:12:30 ummm /dev/ttyO4 is UART5 Aug 12 08:12:46 so when at the console what happens when yo utype echo "test" > /dev/tty04 ? Aug 12 08:12:56 ok, I thought that might be the case, but I connect the TX and RX of uart5 together and still get nothing Aug 12 08:13:19 do you have a /dev/ttyO3 then? Aug 12 08:13:30 m_billybob: nothing happens Aug 12 08:13:37 Vaizki: no, only ttyO4 Aug 12 08:13:42 sounds like you've got the wrong device Aug 12 08:14:00 and it's ttyO4, not tty04 .. "oh" and not zero Aug 12 08:14:08 O = OMAP Aug 12 08:14:10 you did swap tx's and tx's ? Aug 12 08:14:13 Yes that I know Aug 12 08:14:18 err tx's and rx's Aug 12 08:14:33 swap? Aug 12 08:14:35 cat /sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl/44e10800.pinmux/pingroups Aug 12 08:14:42 rx to tx , tx to rx Aug 12 08:14:45 does it show those pins as being used by uart Aug 12 08:15:12 group: pinmux_bb_uart4_pins Aug 12 08:15:12 pin 28 (44e10870) Aug 12 08:15:12 pin 29 (44e10874) Aug 12 08:17:12 so yes Aug 12 08:19:09 ah ok loopback Aug 12 08:19:09 and dmesg shows ttyO4 being instantiated when you load the cape? Aug 12 08:19:26 think Vaizki already said that lol Aug 12 08:19:33 * m_billybob had to read up again Aug 12 08:19:49 the cape Aug 12 08:19:52 what cape? Aug 12 08:20:02 virtual cape Aug 12 08:20:21 cat slots Aug 12 08:20:29 the only command I've given is "echo BB-UART4 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots" Aug 12 08:20:47 then when I "cat /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.9/slots", I read Aug 12 08:21:01 7: ff:P-O-L Override Board Name,00A0,Override Manuf,BB-UART4 Aug 12 08:21:07 loaded Aug 12 08:21:25 i knowthat dt works too ive used it Aug 12 08:21:30 so . . . Aug 12 08:21:45 ok and thats when I use a .dts file? Aug 12 08:22:04 well thats when yo uload the overlay Aug 12 08:22:16 but yes it *shold* be functional Aug 12 08:22:31 this is not fun anymore Aug 12 08:22:41 pastebin dmesg from loading it Aug 12 08:22:54 and still no output from echo "test" /dev/ttyO4 hmmm Aug 12 08:23:02 err Aug 12 08:23:06 and still no output from echo "test" > /dev/ttyO4 hmmm Aug 12 08:23:22 shouldn't it be 04, not O4? Aug 12 08:23:31 no it should be O4 Aug 12 08:23:34 k Aug 12 08:23:40 O for OMAP serial driver Aug 12 08:23:42 ahh. Aug 12 08:23:45 just a guess. Aug 12 08:23:57 but I agree, not the best choice Aug 12 08:25:01 so i think what ynezz said like 5 hours ago, break outthe scope Aug 12 08:25:12 logic analyzer, whatever. Aug 12 08:25:25 http://pastebin.com/udxLa4tj Aug 12 08:25:45 use your tongue! Aug 12 08:25:57 and feel the ASCII? Aug 12 08:26:03 sorry, Vaizki: http://pastebin.com/udxLa4tj Aug 12 08:26:04 no, the current Aug 12 08:26:11 ok so yea your /dev/ttyO4 should be ok then Aug 12 08:26:20 that dmesg output looks ok to me.. :P Aug 12 08:26:36 that advert Aug 12 08:26:44 "weird food kills blood pressure" Aug 12 08:26:51 and hense teh host ? Aug 12 08:26:52 echo "test" > /dev/ttyO4 still does nothing Aug 12 08:26:59 cause we need blood pressure . . . Aug 12 08:28:05 cverster: you could try stty -F /dev/ttyO4 raw; stty -F /dev/ttyO4 9600; cat /dev/ttyO4&; sleep 1; echo test > /dev/ttyO4 Aug 12 08:28:27 but that will leave "cat" in the background reading the port so you have to kill it manually then Aug 12 08:30:39 and I would doublecheck that you connected the right pins :) Aug 12 08:30:48 and then triplechec Aug 12 08:30:54 Vaizki: still nothing :( Aug 12 08:31:19 ok, the pins for UART4, P9.1 to P9.45 runs down the left column right? Aug 12 08:31:32 oops Aug 12 08:31:59 i mean, they go, P9.1 on left, then P9.2 on right, zigzagging? weird setup for pins Aug 12 08:32:11 pin1 is marked Aug 12 08:32:34 okie way past my bedtime night all Aug 12 08:32:59 http://letsmakerobots.com/files/userpics/u19048/B_3PinOut3.png Aug 12 08:33:11 that shows how the pins are numbered Aug 12 08:33:51 I cannot believe it Aug 12 08:34:02 I swopped P9 and P8, SO MUCH EFFORT Aug 12 08:34:11 haha Aug 12 08:34:13 fffail Aug 12 08:34:26 my invoice will be in the mail Aug 12 08:34:44 what in the world Aug 12 08:34:53 I thought I was solving the worlds problems here Aug 12 08:35:08 cverster how is it going? Aug 12 08:36:12 he spent a day poking the wrong hole.. situation normal ;) Aug 12 08:36:50 good and you woglinde? Aug 12 08:37:09 had a great weekend on the east coast of South Africa Aug 12 08:38:12 damn.. I want to go back to SA.. Aug 12 08:38:46 I have a friend who lives in Scarborough Aug 12 08:39:59 Scarborough Aug 12 08:40:01 where is that Aug 12 08:40:13 on the Cape Aug 12 08:40:36 east coast of the cape peninsula Aug 12 08:40:45 argh west coast sorry Aug 12 08:41:24 I love the west coast, more untouched than the east coast Aug 12 08:41:28 I live close to Cape Town Aug 12 08:41:47 http://www.villagehomes.co.za/wp-content/gallery/scarborough/1-Scarborough-from-above.jpg Aug 12 08:41:57 very small and quaint place there Aug 12 08:42:17 nice! West Coast water is COOOOOLD Aug 12 08:42:48 hey I live in Finland.. the sea freezes solid here ;) Aug 12 08:43:22 which is mainly why I'd like to be in SA during the wintertime and not here Aug 12 08:44:25 haha :D. ok I hear you. You in Helsinki or where? Aug 12 08:53:35 yea capital area.. Espoo Aug 12 09:30:56 hi,all Aug 12 09:31:16 I connect my BBB to a VGA screen but there is no picture Aug 12 09:31:45 I use a microHDMI to VGA converter Aug 12 09:32:21 the monitor can receive signal Aug 12 09:34:18 wrong resolution Aug 12 09:34:33 or wrong converter Aug 12 09:34:44 it needs to be an active one with a separate power supply Aug 12 09:34:56 http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Accessories#HDMI_Adapters Aug 12 09:40:04 but after I boot my BBB,the screen can show a penguin icon Aug 12 09:40:38 salut greek guy! Aug 12 09:40:51 hi mortal enemy! Aug 12 09:41:05 KotH is german ? Aug 12 09:41:11 Turk Aug 12 09:41:21 is it worse atm ? Aug 12 09:42:17 after a while the monitor show nothing Aug 12 09:49:11 KotH is not human. hes swiss Aug 12 09:50:03 lispghost sounds like wrong resolution in xorg Aug 12 09:50:21 woglinde, how to config resolution Aug 12 09:51:41 I add optargs=video=HDMI-A-1:1920x1080@24 Aug 12 09:51:50 woglinde, is this right Aug 12 09:51:51 ? Aug 12 09:54:20 woglinde, ?? Aug 12 09:56:07 mrpackethead: come on! i'm not a monster just because i eat a little bit more chocolate than you, but do not gain weight, Aug 12 09:57:49 hi Aug 12 09:57:53 salut Aug 12 09:58:45 does anyone know how to make the kernel reload firmwares from the filesystem ? Aug 12 10:00:08 i modified one in /lib/firmware but it still continues to use the old one (actually even if i delete the file no error happen, this shit is cached someone in kernel space) Aug 12 10:00:18 reload? Aug 12 10:00:27 you need to reload the driver Aug 12 10:00:33 (my firmware is actually a dtbo) Aug 12 10:00:44 the driver load (or is supposed to ) load the firmware at load time Aug 12 10:01:01 well, in this case no Aug 12 10:01:27 uhmm.. dtbo is not firmware ^^' Aug 12 10:01:57 doesn't it uses the kernel's firmware loading mechanism ? Aug 12 10:02:23 (after all, the file goes to /lib/firmware) Aug 12 10:03:50 damn ... every week my bought product on Tigal is moved back by another week Aug 12 10:06:40 lispghost are you sure your vga monitor can display 1920x1080? Aug 12 10:07:11 my monitor`s rotation is 1920x1080 Aug 12 10:07:20 das what did you bought a rpi? Aug 12 10:08:02 woglinde: i'd rather ask whether the hdmi converter can do that resolution Aug 12 10:08:15 * KotH would doubt that Aug 12 10:12:00 woglinde: nah a screen for the BB Aug 12 10:12:47 it's utterly useless therefore I need one Aug 12 10:12:48 koth hm the one on the circuitco side can Aug 12 10:13:00 Mode "1920x1080" # vfreq 50.000Hz, hfreq 56.250kHz Aug 12 10:13:23 hm okay Aug 12 10:13:29 its no the vga adapter Aug 12 10:14:03 lispghost try some other resolution Aug 12 10:14:11 and try read-edid on command line via ssh Aug 12 10:16:09 navaati: Disable the loading of the dtbo on the kernel command line, then manually load the correct firmware later. Aug 12 10:28:18 woglinde, ok Aug 12 10:42:13 modmaker: it's not loaded at boot time Aug 12 10:43:16 i could reboot, but i'm a bit afraid of not being able to reconnect to the bbb again (sometimes it doesn't connect to the network proprerly) Aug 12 10:43:56 (and rebooting each time i modify my overlay is a pain in the ass, too) Aug 12 10:44:26 navaati: have you waited long enough? I often see the network coming up 60 seconds after boot. Aug 12 10:45:27 navaati: afaik you'll have to reboot as you can't unload an overlay (yet). Aug 12 10:51:47 modmaker: ah ? it seems i can unload overlay by echoing "-n" where n is the slot number into the slots file Aug 12 10:52:08 navaati, some capes can unload cleanly Aug 12 10:52:12 all the gpio ones for instance Aug 12 10:52:16 seems to work since my device disapears Aug 12 10:52:34 there are some patches that will make it work for even more capes (uart/i2c maybe some others) Aug 12 10:52:48 but some device drivers just don't handle it correctly Aug 12 10:53:04 the problem is that when i lod it again, it uses the dtbo it had in memory instead of reloading it from the filesystem Aug 12 10:53:25 yes, that's the firmware caching Aug 12 10:53:27 hmm Aug 12 10:53:29 panto: the device driver is one i'm writing, so the problem is not here Aug 12 10:53:41 navaati, nice Aug 12 10:53:48 yeah, i actually want to thrash that caching Aug 12 10:54:09 hmm, not an easy thing to do Aug 12 10:54:17 I'd just rename the dtbo Aug 12 10:54:27 erf :) Aug 12 10:54:34 aaaaaah, super clever !!! Aug 12 10:54:52 man, thanks a lot, it was so simple x) Aug 12 10:55:00 heh Aug 12 10:55:31 Hey guys, I've built a poky/dylan image for my BBB and it doesn't boot. I wanted to know if I'm expecting too much? Aug 12 10:55:45 what kernel did you use? Aug 12 10:56:38 panto, me? default for MACHINE := "beaglebone" on dylan which is 3.8.13 Aug 12 10:57:31 not going to work Aug 12 10:57:38 you need to use the beaglebone.org's kernel Aug 12 10:57:50 I formatted an SD card, created a 16M vfat called boot and an ext3 called rootfs - dumped the MLO, u-boot.img, uImage etc and... nothing :( Aug 12 10:57:57 panto, Aww you're kidding me? Aug 12 10:58:12 panto, But that's so badly packaged :( Aug 12 10:58:15 what, you though that you could just plop mainline and work? Aug 12 10:58:30 *thought Aug 12 10:58:42 Setting the machine to "beaglebone" worked on the original and I believed it was the same? Aug 12 10:59:01 no idea what kind of kernel poky uses Aug 12 10:59:02 it's default kernel + recipes from meta-ti Aug 12 10:59:13 perhaps it would work for the white Aug 12 10:59:17 but not for black Aug 12 11:00:18 panto, OK fair enough. I'm after a standalone kernel. I have the 3.8 kernel checked out using the patch.sh - how could I generate a patch out of what the process generates? Aug 12 11:00:53 What i'd like is a pristine 3.8 kernel and a patch of all the stuff that the script does (without understanding the branching and tag harvesting that the script does) Aug 12 11:02:31 there's a hidden branch Aug 12 11:02:36 ideally, i wanna just patch -p1 < beaglebone_black.patch against a pristine kernel and then copy in the am335xx-pm*.bin Aug 12 11:02:41 git://github.com/koenkooi/linux.git : branch 3.8-for-panto-rebase Aug 12 11:02:57 panto, go on...? Aug 12 11:03:05 that's the beagleboard.org's kernel, but as a branch on top of 3.8.13 Aug 12 11:03:23 it is _not_ a single patch Aug 12 11:03:30 it is _alot_ of patches Aug 12 11:03:47 But I could get a meta-diff together easily? Aug 12 11:03:56 sure Aug 12 11:03:59 panto, or is there a repo of all the patches? Aug 12 11:04:02 git diff 3.8.13..HEAD Aug 12 11:04:16 that's the repo with all the patches Aug 12 11:04:16 panto, You magnificent bastard :D Aug 12 11:04:30 thanks, I think Aug 12 11:04:45 panto: git merge --squash can fix that :) Aug 12 11:04:53 heh Aug 12 11:05:10 mru, that's just ... bad Aug 12 11:05:14 the diff will be huge Aug 12 11:05:25 you get a proper, evil vendor patch Aug 12 11:05:38 yes, fit for release Aug 12 11:05:52 here's all our stuff; we comply with the GPL... Aug 12 11:06:03 so clone, checkout 3.8.13, git diff 3.8.13..HEAD > beaglebone_black.diff, git checkout 3.8.13, and test by patch -p1 < beaglebone_black.diff? Aug 12 11:06:10 Did i miss anything? Aug 12 11:06:16 bonus points if the patch doesn't actually apply Aug 12 11:06:24 and don't forget to run it throught disindent first Aug 12 11:06:33 at the very least, you must keep secret what base tree you used Aug 12 11:06:39 mru, +1 Aug 12 11:06:50 for greater points, forget what the base tree was Aug 12 11:07:27 The courses we deliver aren't run with a net connection (I know, I know), else I'd be all up for the git clone && ./patch.sh approach Aug 12 11:08:47 btw. exosyst I think you need meta-beagle https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard Aug 12 11:09:23 Would that give bbb support to poky? Aug 12 11:09:29 woglinde, ^^ Aug 12 11:09:42 exosyst you can read nor? Aug 12 11:09:48 so read the README Aug 12 11:10:49 woglinde, nor reading is a bit too specialist, I'll try the suggested readme cheers. Aug 12 11:19:53 panto: :-P Aug 12 11:22:49 panto: base tree? i got a zip file from my coworker who left the company a couple of years ago Aug 12 11:23:01 that's a base zip Aug 12 11:23:26 which cannot be found anymore Aug 12 11:23:44 that's the debased zip then Aug 12 11:23:55 all your base... Aug 12 11:24:11 are zipped by us Aug 12 11:24:23 you have no chance to unzip, make your time Aug 12 11:25:32 HAHAHAHA Aug 12 11:26:03 zero zip Aug 12 11:26:15 for great zustice Aug 12 11:33:13 KotH: thats why we dont allow people to leave the company Aug 12 11:33:16 we just zip them Aug 12 11:34:23 encase them in carbonite and place them in storage Aug 12 11:55:21 i'm trying to read from a device using some shitty one Aug 12 11:55:38 -wire-like custom protocol Aug 12 11:56:11 good for you Aug 12 11:56:21 does relying on interrupts and measuring the time elapsed between them seem a sane idea to you guys ? Aug 12 11:57:00 I did that for a 433MHz FM-modulated signal receiver.. but it was on arduino Aug 12 11:57:05 navaati, depends Aug 12 11:57:08 only with sand clock Aug 12 11:57:09 on what you're doing Aug 12 11:57:31 what kind of resolution do you need? Aug 12 11:57:36 if care about precision on the ms range you'd be fine Aug 12 11:57:39 *if you Aug 12 11:58:39 hum, nopem time between interrupts is more between 20 and 80 microsec Aug 12 11:58:48 ... Aug 12 11:59:05 unrealistic ? Aug 12 11:59:15 you'll get some jitter Aug 12 11:59:42 if you install the irq handler on the real interrupt and not use a threaded one you might get good results Aug 12 11:59:55 but you're pushing it Aug 12 12:00:09 well, a jitter of 10us should be ok Aug 12 12:00:16 learn PRU programming or use something else? Aug 12 12:00:23 PRU should work fine there Aug 12 12:00:50 panto, this way ? : request_irq(irq, handler, IRQF_TRIGGER_FALLING, dev_name(dev), priv); Aug 12 12:01:25 I had a hard time figuring out this threaded interrupt thing, LDD3 is totally out of date on this subject Aug 12 12:01:48 IRQF_NO_THREAD too Aug 12 12:01:57 ldd3 is _very_ out of date Aug 12 12:01:59 LDD3 needs revising, badly Aug 12 12:02:46 navaati, does this need to be portable across a wide range of platforms? Aug 12 12:03:05 navaati: let me guess, a humidity sensor? Aug 12 12:03:07 Vaizki, if you're down to usecs it's not portable by definition Aug 12 12:03:12 because if you only need it to run on the BBB then look at the PRUs Aug 12 12:03:13 yeah, i saw this PRU thing. It would actually be The Right Way (r) but 1/ its vastly more complicated and 2/ gpios are actually gpis or gpos, not both Aug 12 12:03:28 Vaizki: dht22 ? Aug 12 12:03:40 uff Aug 12 12:03:42 navaati, you can reprogram the mux from the PRU Aug 12 12:03:50 navaati: dht? Aug 12 12:03:54 navaati: not sht? Aug 12 12:03:56 for many pins it works Aug 12 12:04:35 navaati: and a gpio is a gpio, you can program it as input, output, open drain and open source Aug 12 12:04:35 KotH: ah ? no, dht, the one from adafruit (from this chinese humdity sensors company) Aug 12 12:04:46 navaati: oh.. ok Aug 12 12:04:56 navaati: should have used an sht, these speak spi and i2c Aug 12 12:05:28 yeah, i know, would have been so easy... but i bought this one before knowing it would be a pain Aug 12 12:07:26 dht22 is like a poster boy example of something that is dirt simple with MCUs and painful with linux Aug 12 12:07:49 any link to the write protocol? Aug 12 12:07:50 *wire Aug 12 12:07:59 Vaizki: oh, swapped you and KotH... well, portability between "things that have gpio and are fast enough" would be nice Aug 12 12:08:09 https://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/DHT22.pdf Aug 12 12:08:18 I think there's gnd, +5V and data Aug 12 12:08:45 you take data low for a while and then start listening on it Aug 12 12:09:15 Vaizki: i still wouldnt buy it, even when using an mcu Aug 12 12:09:23 man, that's painful Aug 12 12:09:26 Vaizki: it's a pita if you have to toggle pins for each bit Aug 12 12:09:26 yea I know. but they are cheap. Aug 12 12:09:31 KotH: it's cheap Aug 12 12:09:32 :) Aug 12 12:09:35 eheh Aug 12 12:09:46 navaati: ah.. right, you're a student, your time doesnt cost a penny Aug 12 12:10:24 was there a fee on a a stupid simple SPI/I2C interface? Aug 12 12:10:33 that's just... bad. Aug 12 12:10:48 where real money costs booze and weed and concerts, that's the thing yeah... Aug 12 12:11:20 i must admit there was kind of a "challenge" effect here, too Aug 12 12:11:21 panto: it's one of the most stupid interfaces i've seen Aug 12 12:11:32 panto: one that is easy to do in hw, but a major pita in software Aug 12 12:11:45 perfect for the pru ;) Aug 12 12:11:50 panto: nothing difficult, just a pita Aug 12 12:11:51 I mean.. really Aug 12 12:11:58 Vaizki: yup Aug 12 12:11:59 how do you differentiate between hi/lo in the protocol? Aug 12 12:12:02 dht22 is supported by linux Aug 12 12:12:17 bitbanged gpio driver? Aug 12 12:12:20 it's pretty much i2c, but the license cost was too high Aug 12 12:12:25 koen: wtf ? Aug 12 12:12:52 panto: duration of the high state Aug 12 12:12:57 koen, doesn't look like i2c to me Aug 12 12:13:21 it isnt i2c like Aug 12 12:13:39 ah crap, I mixed up the numbers Aug 12 12:13:39 If you say yes here you get support for the Sensiron SHT10, SHT11, Aug 12 12:13:40 SHT15, SHT71, SHT75 humidity and temperature sensors. Aug 12 12:13:45 that's the gpio one Aug 12 12:14:02 yeah... Aug 12 12:14:06 maybe its i2c with CLK and DATA muxed together over the same line? Aug 12 12:14:22 av500, looks like retarded 1wire Aug 12 12:14:22 not even, i guess Aug 12 12:14:28 panto: this Aug 12 12:14:31 lets patent that Aug 12 12:14:36 navaati, I did something similar to the RPi a year ago, reading RF signals via interrupt line Aug 12 12:14:37 here's the dht22 driver as an external module: https://gitorious.org/dht22-driver/dht22-driver/trees/master Aug 12 12:14:50 in the end I just gave up and put an atmega there Aug 12 12:14:58 and used i2c to chat to the atmega Aug 12 12:15:01 yeah, similar to 1-wire's protocol Aug 12 12:15:42 oh well, it's easy to do it on the pru Aug 12 12:16:01 was it 5ns per instruction on pru? Aug 12 12:16:06 yes Aug 12 12:16:12 panto: the dalas 1-wire can be used directly with an uart Aug 12 12:16:16 panto: dht22 cannot Aug 12 12:16:26 KotH, that's why I said retarded :) Aug 12 12:16:33 is there a way to find out which pins are mapped to a certain kernel device, on a running system? Aug 12 12:16:42 i.e. assuming you don't have the source device tree file Aug 12 12:16:51 why don't you have it? Aug 12 12:16:54 biot: use your magic crystal ball Aug 12 12:16:58 - /sys/kernel/debug/pinmux should work Aug 12 12:17:55 koen: urgh, you just ruined my two last weeks of work with this link, i should have searched the web better x) (not that important, i learned a lot in the way) Aug 12 12:18:09 panto: use / to escape a leading / Aug 12 12:18:19 panto: excellent, thanks Aug 12 12:18:22 panto: or just Aug 12 12:18:36 / Aug 12 12:18:40 \ Aug 12 12:18:44 but that puts a space Aug 12 12:18:48 biot: you can also take a binary device tree and turn it back into a text version Aug 12 12:18:58 or cenvert it to acpi Aug 12 12:19:01 convert Aug 12 12:19:04 av500, +1 Aug 12 12:19:05 fex it Aug 12 12:19:09 more busywork for us! Aug 12 12:19:10 unfex Aug 12 12:19:15 defex Aug 12 12:19:18 av500: für allfällige nebenwirkungen, fragen sie ihren arzt oder apotheker Aug 12 12:19:21 fedex Aug 12 12:20:09 dtc -I dtb -O dts am335x-boneblack.dtb Aug 12 12:20:15 gives me the source.. Aug 12 12:20:39 Vaizki, or you can just look in /proc/device-tree Aug 12 12:20:41 not sure if you have access to the dt blob "in use" via /proc Aug 12 12:20:43 ah Aug 12 12:21:36 that was a bit too obvious Aug 12 12:22:47 koen, that driver is very optimistic Aug 12 12:23:02 and a cpu hog too Aug 12 12:24:18 not irq driven? Aug 12 12:24:40 not as far as I see Aug 12 12:24:40 aww, yeah, just read it, i wonder how it could even work Aug 12 12:24:47 udelay everywhere Aug 12 12:25:11 if at first you don't succeed, udelay and try again Aug 12 12:26:31 while (gpio_get_value); /* change this dirty code later */ Aug 12 12:26:48 mainline quality (tm) Aug 12 12:27:30 it's a start Aug 12 12:29:14 hmm, dht22 and sht15? Aug 12 12:29:19 two drivers in one? Aug 12 12:33:32 l8r, lunch time Aug 12 12:38:16 "yes, we use cmake but we don't remember why" :( Aug 12 12:42:27 navaati: pru pru pru pru :) Aug 12 12:43:42 Vaizki: actually the main problem with pru is that every f*cking tutorial uses dirty userspace stuff Aug 12 12:43:54 hmmh? Aug 12 12:44:00 what do you mean? Aug 12 12:44:07 using some strange TI provided libs Aug 12 12:44:25 yea well the libs are only for uploading code to the PRU and talking to it Aug 12 12:44:35 well, they programm, controll and react to the pru in userspace Aug 12 12:45:09 s/in/from/ Aug 12 12:48:00 yea I guess it's all behind UIO Aug 12 12:48:35 better than GPIO Aug 12 12:51:12 Vaizki: yeah it is, but what if i want to write a *driver*, and export hwmon attributes ? (moreover, i find it dirty to do this kind of things from userspace, programming a device that can bang all of SoC's memory) Aug 12 12:51:53 (if anyone curious, here is the relevant part of my code... nothing wonderfull https://github.com/navaati/dht22/blob/master/state_machine.c) Aug 12 12:52:40 * KotH is curious,but not that curious Aug 12 12:53:04 mrpackethead: network probs? Aug 12 12:53:06 code bookmarked for kanging Aug 12 12:54:47 navaati: brace for kanging! Aug 12 12:55:03 av500: eh, i intent to properly release it one day ! Aug 12 12:56:19 well, the thing is i cannot test it atm, i'm not at home and i guess the dht22's wire has slipped off the bbb since i get zero interrupts while running the stuff Aug 12 13:06:34 navaati, https://github.com/pantoniou/testpru Aug 12 13:07:19 navaati: did you buy the dht22s in the hundreds? :) Aug 12 13:07:40 I would just give up, sell them on ebay or something and use a sensor with a reasonable i/f Aug 12 13:07:48 then again my time is not worthless Aug 12 13:16:50 to me it is :) Aug 12 13:18:11 heh Aug 12 13:18:21 when you're right you're right Aug 12 13:19:14 and when I'm wrong I'm also right Aug 12 13:19:17 I want to learn about BBB and bluetooth and gsm/gprs anybody help? Aug 12 13:19:35 start with linux Aug 12 13:19:44 that's a big bite... do yu have a starting point? Aug 12 13:20:05 hm maybee he only needs gpsd and bluez Aug 12 13:20:18 but I am off now Aug 12 13:20:22 maybe... Aug 12 13:20:55 nazrdogan: what do you want to acheive? Aug 12 13:21:06 hm maybe its, I want to become laundrymachine expert, who can hel? Aug 12 13:21:07 nazrdogan: hobby project to learn things or building a product? Aug 12 13:21:16 woglinde: read the manual Aug 12 13:21:17 ı want to make solar monitoring project Aug 12 13:21:25 ar... Aug 12 13:21:29 koth no I want to build one Aug 12 13:21:36 nazrdogan: please use I instead of ı Aug 12 13:21:43 I already read the manual Aug 12 13:21:45 nazrdogan: not everyone has turkish fonts installed Aug 12 13:21:54 ok Aug 12 13:22:02 woglinde: sie müssen nur den nippel durch die lasche ziehn.... ;) Aug 12 13:22:15 ^ oO Aug 12 13:22:16 I want to connect inverters and beaglebone Aug 12 13:22:34 nazrdogan: hobby or work? Aug 12 13:22:38 work Aug 12 13:22:49 but I m new on embedded Aug 12 13:22:53 hm solarmonitoring is the new opencv Aug 12 13:23:09 was opencv the new android ? Aug 12 13:23:18 no Aug 12 13:23:20 it predates it Aug 12 13:23:42 so it's distinct hype ? Aug 12 13:23:44 okay till later Aug 12 13:23:46 nazrdogan: uh.. uhmm... Aug 12 13:24:07 nazrdogan: get a good book on linux basics, get "embedded linux primer" and read read read read Aug 12 13:24:09 I want to do solar monitoring using opencv on android Aug 12 13:24:17 nazrdogan: it's not an easy road, and it's quite long too Aug 12 13:24:22 can I bitbang it from userspace? Aug 12 13:24:25 mru: with data in the cloud ? Aug 12 13:24:26 nazrdogan: you wont be able to get anything quickly Aug 12 13:24:29 mru only with PRU Aug 12 13:24:39 ok Aug 12 13:24:40 pruserspace? Aug 12 13:24:43 also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvoGic3eig0 Aug 12 13:24:53 nazrdogan: or you can hire me to teach you that stuff :) Aug 12 13:24:59 hm av500 has a shortcut for it Aug 12 13:25:02 :) Aug 12 13:25:12 maybe we can hire :D Aug 12 13:25:18 where you live Aug 12 13:25:22 ?? Aug 12 13:25:26 nazrdogan: switzerland Aug 12 13:25:41 but i plan to go to .tr in sept/oct Aug 12 13:25:49 so i could drop by Aug 12 13:26:24 where in .tr are you? istanbul? Aug 12 13:26:27 no Aug 12 13:26:30 Gaziantep Aug 12 13:26:46 hmm... Aug 12 13:26:51 not really on my way ^^' Aug 12 13:27:15 I want to learn embedded system Aug 12 13:27:29 read read read Aug 12 13:27:31 I want cold beer Aug 12 13:27:34 where I start? Aug 12 13:27:41 nazrdogan: do you know linux? Aug 12 13:27:42 I want a pony Aug 12 13:27:46 [15:24:07] nazrdogan: get a good book on linux basics, get "embedded linux primer" and read read read read Aug 12 13:27:47 nazrdogan: on page 1 Aug 12 13:27:48 little bit Aug 12 13:27:50 start anywhere Aug 12 13:27:54 it does not really matter Aug 12 13:27:58 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/210 Aug 12 13:28:01 ı have arduino and something Aug 12 13:28:22 we love something Aug 12 13:28:29 since you dont know the forest from the trees, it does not matter which tree you dont know it from Aug 12 13:28:45 nazrdogan: first step: install linux on your computer. but not ubuntu. something where you need to know what you are doing, like debian, gentoo or arch Aug 12 13:28:55 nazrdogan: work with it a couple of days, Aug 12 13:28:56 arch! arch! Aug 12 13:29:04 distro flamewar Aug 12 13:29:08 our work here is done Aug 12 13:29:11 :) Aug 12 13:29:14 popcorn? Aug 12 13:29:20 chocolate? Aug 12 13:29:21 our turk here is done Aug 12 13:29:24 nazrdogan: also, dont listen to what people tell you on IRC Aug 12 13:29:46 nazrdogan: when you got your linux basics, read the embedded linux primer Aug 12 13:29:56 nazrdogan: then get a bbb and start messing with it Aug 12 13:30:03 then rebuild your distro from scratch with clang Aug 12 13:30:12 yeah, need to weed out the trolls sometimes, but some of the trolls can teach you a lot if it suits them to stop being /funny/ Aug 12 13:30:13 nazrdogan: and in a year or two, you'll be a embedded linux expert Aug 12 13:30:31 s/year/decade/ Aug 12 13:30:41 it takes the usual 10000h Aug 12 13:30:46 like for anything else Aug 12 13:30:46 nazrdogan: oh.. and do not trust anything panto says! he is a greek! ;-) Aug 12 13:31:07 * av500 helps panto and stabs KotH in the back Aug 12 13:31:13 damn serbs! Aug 12 13:31:15 a turk, a greek, and a sandworm walk into an irc channel... Aug 12 13:32:04 nazrdogan: also a good idea is to come to ELCE. listen to presentations, talk to people, meet the serb, the greek and me, and learn something new :) Aug 12 13:32:25 nazrdogan: and if you are lucky, you can even meet the sandworm ;) Aug 12 13:32:51 KotH: you'll be at ELCE in october ? Aug 12 13:32:55 I wonder what taste it has Aug 12 13:33:03 navaati: most likely Aug 12 13:33:20 navaati: just need to get my comp to pay for it. but as my presentation was accepted... Aug 12 13:33:36 whats it about? Aug 12 13:33:37 KotH: oh, so it was *you* who stole my slot Aug 12 13:33:41 yes Aug 12 13:33:44 juup Aug 12 13:33:46 and i'm proud of it Aug 12 13:33:58 * mru plots revenge Aug 12 13:34:08 you will not get my chocolate! Aug 12 13:34:12 at least not all of it ;) Aug 12 13:39:38 panto: which file do i start with ? Aug 12 13:40:51 is revenge plotted on a polar or logarithmic coordinate system? Aug 12 13:41:12 clearly polar Aug 12 13:41:22 bipolar even Aug 12 13:41:27 revenge is best served cold, and the polar regions are cold Aug 12 13:48:23 my internet coutdown ,sorry Aug 12 13:49:26 * KotH counts up Aug 12 14:20:28 god I'm so bored ... haven't written a single C line in 2 months apart from patches ... Aug 12 14:20:48 integrating stuff is so boring Aug 12 14:21:01 differentiating is much more fun Aug 12 14:21:20 I have not written any C for quite a while either Aug 12 14:21:23 it's been all asm Aug 12 14:22:11 at least it's something ... wrote some shell to automate stuff and that's it :( Aug 12 14:23:00 I keep solving "No such file or directory" errors Aug 12 14:23:30 rm -rf ${prefix}/* Aug 12 14:23:35 when ${prefix} is unset Aug 12 14:24:18 Sir ! It builds ! Aug 12 14:24:30 Does it run ? Aug 12 14:24:33 Who cares ? Aug 12 14:24:41 ship it! Aug 12 14:25:56 do we have a preempt-rt kernel somewhere in/near the "official" BBB recipes? Aug 12 14:32:31 LetoThe2nd: real linux time? Aug 12 14:32:34 LetoThe2nd: there is a 3.8-rt branch in the kernel github, I don't know anything about it though Aug 12 14:34:19 av500: kind of Aug 12 14:34:22 jackmitchell: hm ok Aug 12 14:35:05 LetoThe2nd: I'm pretty sure the lack of talk about it indicates 'here be dragons' Aug 12 14:35:55 jackmitchell: yeah. Aug 12 14:36:41 i'll just drop that idea then, was just for making a demonstration maybe a little more pretty. but OTOH i'm just not gonna show a loaded board then :) Aug 12 14:47:44 does the company sysgo ring a bell here ? Aug 12 14:51:39 we do have a bell here? Aug 12 14:52:32 let's see: Aug 12 14:52:51 nope, something ate the ^G Aug 12 14:53:04 Bing Aug 12 14:54:22 ah, the machine that goes bing Aug 12 14:54:30 koen, where are you headed via Dubai Aug 12 14:54:59 some jihad training camp, no doubt Aug 12 14:55:03 hence the need for a beard Aug 12 14:55:21 ah Aug 12 14:55:46 you are going to gget us in trouble with Prism! Aug 12 14:57:18 das__: yes Aug 12 15:03:06 any body use bt wifi and gsm with BBB? Aug 12 15:24:33 Crofton|work: malaysia Aug 12 15:24:42 fun or work? Aug 12 15:25:38 honeymoon Aug 12 15:28:05 oh, congrats Aug 12 15:28:20 thanks Aug 12 15:28:25 still a few week away, though Aug 12 15:57:21 finally Aug 12 15:57:42 :) Aug 12 16:01:29 koen: get fitted for the ball and chain? Aug 12 16:06:40 whoa - someone getting ready to put on the tux and eat the cake? Aug 12 16:10:07 emeb: yeah koen is now all grown up and such Aug 12 16:11:38 koen shaves? Aug 12 16:12:04 oh wait a minute..thats mranostay I meant... Aug 12 16:23:08 is there a way to find out which BB black board revision you have? haven't spotted it on the silkscreen... Aug 12 16:24:16 biot, there's a baseboard EEPROM Aug 12 16:24:29 the BB whites used to have it on a sticker on the Ethernet plug, along with the MAC, which was really helpful. Aug 12 16:24:44 and the blacks have it too Aug 12 16:24:57 my black didn't have a sticker. Aug 12 16:32:54 panto: you racist Aug 12 16:33:03 my black has a sticker on the ethernet jack Aug 12 16:33:14 so does both of mine Aug 12 16:33:57 not here Aug 12 16:34:49 likely A5 anyway Aug 12 16:35:03 that is the first one that shipped Aug 12 16:35:11 ah right Aug 12 17:57:36 das__ : I also know sysgo Aug 12 17:58:21 hi, is there any way to emulate dtr/cts pins on the BBB on the uart? Aug 12 17:58:56 er why would you want too? Aug 12 17:59:18 it is a FTDI UART Aug 12 17:59:39 any reason for hardware flow control ever? Aug 12 17:59:46 I don't have a ftdi breakout board and when I try to upload some code to a razor imu, I get the following error: avrdude: stk500_getsync(): not in sync: resp=0x0d Aug 12 18:00:32 mranostay, there used to be Aug 12 18:00:41 (it is a somewhat messy setup, I use socat to bridge the serial port on my main computer) Aug 12 18:00:42 when people used uarts for high speed data transfer Aug 12 18:00:54 uuux, why not use a different uart? Aug 12 18:01:16 I'm not sure if one of the available ones route the hardware flow control signals though Aug 12 18:01:48 panto: i'll bet no Aug 12 18:01:51 serial debug does i think Aug 12 18:01:55 You mean using a second uart for dtr? Aug 12 18:02:06 m_billybob: don't thinkg it does Aug 12 18:02:27 uuux, no, using another uart Aug 12 18:02:33 bb has about 5 Aug 12 18:02:43 panto, but aren't they all identical? Aug 12 18:02:56 no ttyO0 has dts etc Aug 12 18:03:05 errr Aug 12 18:03:15 sorry not an EE but does have hardware control pins Aug 12 18:04:07 m_billybob: everyone is a EE on the internet Aug 12 18:04:22 Isn't uart0 used by default by the BB? Aug 12 18:04:46 uuux it can be used as a normal tty once booted Aug 12 18:04:54 ive used it assuch Aug 12 18:05:00 oh cool Aug 12 18:05:24 I'll try it out, thanks Aug 12 18:05:30 i mean it will give you the uboot / kernel boot log too Aug 12 18:05:45 when booting but once done yeah all yours to do with as you like pretty much i think Aug 12 18:06:06 uuux you may need to setup a line in inittab Aug 12 18:06:24 not sure if angstrom is setup that way by default. Aug 12 18:08:35 inittab On angstrom it seems to have been replaced by systemd (from what I've just read) Aug 12 18:08:57 uuux yeah sorry i can not offer any advice there. i run debian on my bbb Aug 12 18:09:12 somehow EE makes me think of industrial electrical engineering not electronics in general. Aug 12 18:09:21 m_billybob, what kind of program should I add? Aug 12 18:10:18 uuux well i just used cmd line stuffs such as echo test > /dev ttyO0 and what not Aug 12 18:11:03 echo'd a few cmd line commands to the terminal, was considering using it as a terminal logger, but im kind of new to embedded linux too, so might be better to ask someone else Aug 12 18:11:34 ive since found this um, cool new technology in puTTY called "logging" lol Aug 12 18:11:45 ( yeah not so new but . . ) Aug 12 18:13:19 maybe minnicom ? Aug 12 18:13:26 but im not sure Aug 12 18:17:07 anyhow how rude of me. good morning everyone. Aug 12 18:26:42 I am trying to use a beaglebone Black running android. I want to get bluetooth of the unit. has anyone done this successfully through a USB dongle? Aug 12 18:43:23 m_billybob, I looked at uart0 and it does not provide cts/dtr Aug 12 18:44:04 according to the schematic, pins 2, 3 and 6 are not linked to anything Aug 12 18:44:24 there goes my drems of getting by without an ftdi breakout board :) Aug 12 18:44:28 +a Aug 12 18:44:36 cory__ : I'm pretty sure someone has used bluetooth on an android system Aug 12 18:46:57 so has any one been able to update the firmware of a razor imu without using an ftdi breakout board? Aug 12 18:53:11 Can anyone point me how to develop GUI on beaglebone, please? Aug 12 18:54:00 pashacalif first you should sure which language Aug 12 18:54:07 +be Aug 12 18:54:17 french? Aug 12 18:54:19 OK. C/C++ Aug 12 18:54:28 c or c++? Aug 12 18:54:30 I would use qt than Aug 12 18:54:37 :-) English/Russian Aug 12 18:56:00 HOe to use QT? I do not have any understanding how to install and use. A lot of advices, but nothig, I can use Aug 12 19:13:51 pashacalif ssh to console and than opkg update and opkg list | grep qt Aug 12 19:14:17 pashacalif btw. you can programm with qt-creator on your host and than crosscompile it for your target Aug 12 19:15:06 hey guys.. how can i install snmpset on BBB running Angstrom 3.8.13 Aug 12 19:18:52 brimestone, i think net-snmp is tha package you want Aug 12 19:19:31 i tried it.. not seem to be working.. getting [Error: Timeout] all the time Aug 12 19:20:06 well so you think the package is broken ? Aug 12 19:20:20 i guess your not hitting the right target .. Aug 12 19:22:09 could be.. Aug 12 19:23:20 ohhh wait.. Aug 12 19:23:26 i got confused with this https://github.com/calmh/node-snmp-native Aug 12 19:23:34 the net-snmp i havn't tried Aug 12 19:23:50 works for me .. Aug 12 19:23:59 so install via opkg? Aug 12 19:24:08 yeah Aug 12 19:25:14 hmmm Unknown package 'net-snmp'. Aug 12 19:25:50 do you ahve the toolchain setup ? Aug 12 19:26:07 hmmm noob here.. don't know what toolchain Aug 12 19:26:14 ../meta-oe/recipes-extended/net-snmp/ Aug 12 19:26:44 someone point him to the web repos .. pls Aug 12 19:26:52 :) Aug 12 19:27:46 does opkg update do anything to you ? Aug 12 19:28:11 alway run update each time i try to install a package Aug 12 19:29:08 hmm i have not done anything on the toolchain front.. Aug 12 19:29:40 i am rolling my own stuff, sorry dunno if that net-snmp is in the web repos Aug 12 19:30:12 did you have to download net-snmp directly? and compiled it maybe? Aug 12 19:30:12 opkg list | grep snmp Aug 12 19:30:47 returned nothing Aug 12 19:49:15 hi there, I was wondering if someone can guide me as to which beagleboard i should get, i'm trying to interface with a nor chip that needs 50 gpio inputs Aug 12 19:50:08 so, is the power button on the bbb supposed to shutdown the system? Aug 12 19:50:11 if you just tap it? Aug 12 19:50:12 why are you trying to drive flash from gpio? Aug 12 19:50:30 nomel: I think it's a reset button Aug 12 19:50:46 dm8tbr: there's a reset button for reset :P Aug 12 19:51:00 * dm8tbr shrugs Aug 12 19:51:08 well, holding down the power button for 8 seconds resets, so you're correct Aug 12 19:51:21 but, i see in the pmic datasheet that you can monitor the power button state Aug 12 19:51:43 so, i'm wondering if it's just temporary that the power button doesn't shutdown. Aug 12 19:51:58 err...if it's a feater that someone will decide to add to the demo image at some point. Aug 12 19:54:08 panto: http://www.despair.com/get-off-my-lawn.html Aug 12 19:56:41 feater = feature, on monday mornings Aug 12 19:56:55 nomel: if it's hooked up to the pmic, then yeah could be that Aug 12 19:57:41 found a post from gerald saying an interrupt from the pmic is detected, and you could use it to shutdown the board. Aug 12 19:58:04 and, apparently, some images do shutdown when you hit the power button...so, i guess my fear of random-implementation was correct :) Aug 12 19:58:42 err...rational. i guess fear is never "correct". Aug 12 19:58:42 I suspect it just generates a power button event and not all userspace initiates shutdown upon that Aug 12 19:58:53 yeah. Aug 12 19:59:07 which is mostly a configuration issue Aug 12 19:59:10 now i'm trying to find if i can squeeze my own command into shutdown Aug 12 20:04:45 YikeS!. net-snmp make install process thats forever Aug 12 20:04:52 Takes*** Aug 12 20:06:09 ok, I think I found it. Looks like systemd handles the shutdown event from the power button, and you can specify the actions like described here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_Management Aug 12 20:06:33 Linux, the only os that requires a constant internet connection for any sort of productivity. :D Aug 12 20:08:36 i don't get why there's so much resistance against systemd. so far it seems pretty rad. i have a big dependent bootup sequence too. Aug 12 20:09:08 it's lennartware Aug 12 20:09:15 heh Aug 12 20:09:31 systemd is horrible Aug 12 20:09:36 dm8tbr: I'm trying to read from it Aug 12 20:09:38 why do people think that though? Aug 12 20:09:39 it's the bomb Aug 12 20:09:44 some people like bombs Aug 12 20:09:48 i see people saying it's not appropriate for webservers and stuff Aug 12 20:09:52 why not? Aug 12 20:09:56 KotH for sure does Aug 12 20:10:00 it's not appropriate, end of story Aug 12 20:10:03 haha Aug 12 20:10:45 i see. mru, you've changed my view of systemd. Aug 12 20:10:58 thank you for correcting my wrong-think. Aug 12 20:11:10 he aims to please Aug 12 20:11:17 the problem is that it's little more than a quick hack Aug 12 20:11:18 so watch out Aug 12 20:11:55 from someone who lacks the adequate background knowledge Aug 12 20:11:57 i don't see what's hacky about it. Aug 12 20:12:34 well, for one thing it keeps changing incompatibly every month or two Aug 12 20:12:44 that alone is a sign that it's not ready for primetime Aug 12 20:12:50 even if maybe some day it could be Aug 12 20:12:53 wasn't aware of that. Aug 12 20:13:49 it's a knee-jerk reaction to lennart's feeling of disgust that things exist that are older than him Aug 12 20:14:47 what's a sane alternative though? Aug 12 20:14:54 nomel: here is one view.. http://monolight.cc/2011/05/the-systemd-fallacy/ Aug 12 20:14:55 that gives boot times anywhere near systemd's? Aug 12 20:14:56 classic init Aug 12 20:15:00 mru: isn't that everything? :P Aug 12 20:15:15 why are people so hung up on boot time? Aug 12 20:15:34 if you ask why journald mmaping some stuff 48 times and may a problem on hosts with lower mem, you only get as answer "you do not know about mmap" Aug 12 20:16:07 gm mrpackethead Aug 12 20:16:15 ah only reconnect Aug 12 20:16:19 to early Aug 12 20:16:29 lennart refuses to acknowledge that some people have requirements vastly different from his Aug 12 20:17:10 sure they than ask for comparsion that your solution eats lower mem Aug 12 20:17:27 and when you give them the comparsion they dont say something Aug 12 20:17:41 * mranostay would like to see mru and lennart at the same table Aug 12 20:17:56 mranostay hm I bet mru can drink more Aug 12 20:17:57 I've met him Aug 12 20:18:00 "communication via D-Bus"...that's shitty. d-bus is a joke. Aug 12 20:18:05 indeed it is Aug 12 20:18:23 and even if it were not, it's senseless to put all that stuff into init Aug 12 20:18:31 nomel hm I like it but not in kernel Aug 12 20:19:03 the high-level concept is completely insane Aug 12 20:19:11 the implementation is a godawful hack Aug 12 20:20:05 all i know is that everything i've done with systemd has been a breeze. :-\ Aug 12 20:20:26 that's until you try to do something lennart doesn't consider important Aug 12 20:20:53 deviate even slightly from the beaten desktop path and you hit a brick wall Aug 12 20:21:00 mru, +1 Aug 12 20:21:14 i guess my needs are simple :) Aug 12 20:21:29 get processes going when services the process uses are ready. Aug 12 20:22:28 that is lennart approved Aug 12 20:22:46 openrc does that too Aug 12 20:22:56 wha? you can run arbitrary commands. Aug 12 20:23:45 the old-style /etc/rc.X/Syy.foo scripts rh used to have were disgusting Aug 12 20:23:50 no proper dependencies etc Aug 12 20:24:10 but that can be fixed without throwing _everything_ Aug 12 20:26:05 mru: rh's scripts are still disgusting...actually most "modern" init scripts are :-( Aug 12 20:26:42 bsd and slackware use the simple approach Aug 12 20:27:26 you know, 14 years ago, i swtiched from suse to debian because i couldnt understand suses init scripts and debians were so simple and easy Aug 12 20:27:45 today, most of debians init scripts are worse than those from suse 14y ago Aug 12 20:28:17 bsd-style is simple but hard to maintain in any automated way Aug 12 20:28:29 juup Aug 12 20:28:40 i can understand some of the complexity the init scripts have Aug 12 20:28:47 but some are just complex for complexities sake Aug 12 20:28:55 have you looked at openrc? Aug 12 20:28:59 mental masturbation of some poor soul Aug 12 20:29:00 not yet Aug 12 20:29:24 it's fairly simple Aug 12 20:29:30 yet flexible Aug 12 20:33:40 hmm... Aug 12 20:35:39 has anyone used snmp-native by calmh?? Aug 12 20:40:50 ? Aug 12 20:44:42 its a module for Node.js for snmp? Aug 12 20:44:46 can't seem to make it work.. Aug 12 20:45:00 i think your problem started with node.js Aug 12 20:45:12 im trying to have my BBB with a APC AP7900 Reboot PDU Aug 12 20:46:00 seems a bit overkill for a beagle Aug 12 20:46:07 i eventually install net-snmp on my BBB and it works great.. but i thought i would like to install the Node library.. Aug 12 20:46:25 what do you mean overkill? Aug 12 20:46:36 it's rated 1440 VA Aug 12 20:46:57 ohh.. the control the AP7900 Relay Aug 12 20:47:03 not to power the Beagle Aug 12 20:50:40 hmmm i just i can run system call from node Aug 12 21:01:22 it's weird how people flock to this channel with completely un-#beagle questions Aug 12 21:01:48 Vaizki, http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/146 Aug 12 21:02:28 people have the misguided notion that doing $totally_standard_stuff on the beagle is somehow special and requires special instructions Aug 12 21:02:52 well off/on topic sure there's very little actual beagling or beaglification going on but why come and ask the questions here.. there must be better channels Aug 12 21:03:11 convenient target Aug 12 21:03:31 they ask here because they're using a beagle Aug 12 21:03:32 yea but it's not like this is the best place for node.js advice.. :) Aug 12 21:03:38 better channels can be retarded. Aug 12 21:03:45 can be? Aug 12 21:03:49 they are unable to extract the relevant parts of their situation Aug 12 21:03:55 SpeedEvil, retarded channels can be better Aug 12 21:04:13 I am in a Volvo and lost in Arizona, now what's the area code for Sweden... Aug 12 21:04:30 have you tried asking a simple 'idiotic' question on ##Linux Aug 12 21:04:32 oops I mean China Aug 12 21:04:34 mru: http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ Aug 12 21:04:36 lost in Arizona? Aug 12 21:04:49 Arizona dream? Aug 12 21:04:51 emeb: just making a car analogy you know Aug 12 21:04:51 how do you get lost here? Aug 12 21:05:06 I'm no good with sports analogy spinning Aug 12 21:05:15 emeb: it's not kansas anymore Aug 12 21:05:22 it never was Aug 12 21:05:44 dorothy got lost in kansas Aug 12 21:05:48 or she simply lost kansas Aug 12 21:06:37 koth I posted it yesterday already Aug 12 21:06:41 lost in arizona? don't you just die of exposure? Aug 12 21:06:50 depends on what part Aug 12 21:06:54 you might also bake Aug 12 21:07:05 that's a form of exposure Aug 12 21:07:05 woglinde: damn! you take all the glory! Aug 12 21:07:08 not in a volvo, especially if you call sweden and ask them where the nearest denny's is Aug 12 21:07:26 koth no going to sleep now Aug 12 21:07:34 woglinde: then sleep well Aug 12 21:07:49 woglinde: and dream of sweet chocolate and JIHADs! Aug 12 21:07:54 or, you may be attacked by rabid squirrels. Aug 12 21:08:08 is this #beagle_RPG? Aug 12 21:08:21 rocket propelled beagle? Aug 12 21:08:48 do get i get rescued by beagle with a keg of rum? Aug 12 21:08:57 emeb: isn't that against the export rules? Aug 12 21:09:05 hrmm, so HandlePowerKey in /etc/systemd/logind.conf doesn't seem to do anything. Aug 12 21:09:14 mru: some kind of ITAR thing? Aug 12 21:10:47 i'm seeing interrupts at /proc/interrupts tps65217, but it doesn't seem they're being used anywhere. Aug 12 21:11:10 hmh? Aug 12 21:11:15 probably wrong cover sheet on the tps report Aug 12 21:11:57 crap. i filled out form tps-0984 when it should have been tps-0985 Aug 12 21:15:11 nomel: you mean that you see the nINT from PMIC but nobody is handling it? Aug 12 21:16:05 Vaizki: i'm not sure. power doesn't go off, and i uncommented the poweroff line in HandlePowerKey in the logind.conf Aug 12 21:17:45 well power doesn't go off unless SoC pulls down PWR_EN Aug 12 21:18:03 well, the interrupt should be initiating a system shutdown Aug 12 21:18:17 I guess it should happen in the pm firmware.. not sure Aug 12 21:18:19 which will then pull down pwr_en Aug 12 21:18:23 yea Aug 12 21:18:39 I'm waiting for a new PM firmware with sleep support ;) Aug 12 21:20:09 Doesn't the interrupt need to trigger a user-space activity to initiate a shutdown? If so, you could run strace of whatever binary that should be listening to see if the kernel interface is working Aug 12 21:21:37 I think it should kick the Lennart to do something about shutdown Aug 12 21:22:15 Right, so run strace -p `pidof Lennart` ... Aug 12 21:23:25 Either "Lennart" is not made aware from the kernel or he is not paying attention ... :-) Aug 12 21:23:56 he's too busy with the userspace kernel project I guess Aug 12 21:28:15 https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard/blob/master/common-bsp/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-mainline-3.8/pmic/0001-tps65217-Enable-KEY_POWER-press-on-AC-loss-PWR_BUT.patch Aug 12 21:28:31 looks like it's being worked on Aug 12 21:29:02 by the usual suspects... Aug 12 21:39:01 since we're way too much on topic.. any new spiffy RRD type lightweight db / plotter stuff come out in the last 5 years or so? :) Aug 12 21:39:27 I need to keep track of some sensor values that the BBB is reading Aug 12 21:41:31 Vaizki: what's wrong with rrd? Aug 12 21:46:14 nothing per se.. I would like to maybe control normalization better.. maybe it has new features for that.. Aug 12 21:46:43 for example I want to store min, max and avg values for many time resolutions Aug 12 21:47:25 if I insert a 0 and a 100 successively, if they don't hit the time slots exactly I will end up with something like 20,80 or even 50,50 in 2 slots Aug 12 21:49:11 g'night Aug 12 21:49:17 of course I could just make absolutely sure my data points are inserted on a time boundary Aug 12 21:49:21 nite Aug 12 21:49:55 you need patches to support that Aug 12 21:50:06 really? Aug 12 21:51:39 yes Aug 12 21:51:42 so rrd is still not capable of storing exact values.. even if I lie to it that I made my measurement at exactly 15 minute intervals Aug 12 21:52:08 instead of using the 'now' which of course will always lead to normalization between slots Aug 12 21:56:39 so rrdtool still has a fatal flaw for my use case.. any alternatives? Aug 12 22:00:30 "OpenTSDB is a distributed, scalable Time Series Database (TSDB) written on top of HBase." Aug 12 22:00:36 bzzzt.. skip :D **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 12 22:07:04 2013 Aug 12 22:07:49 ds2: I can't find those patches though... Aug 12 22:25:15 Vaizki: nice find with the tps patch! Aug 12 22:25:42 uio -> shutdown script it is. Aug 12 22:26:36 now i'm hoping there's a generic uio handler that takes the irq number as a parameter that I can use as a kernel module. Aug 12 22:27:31 why not use the patch I found? Aug 12 22:29:12 Vaizki: you found it? Aug 12 22:29:15 or? Aug 12 22:29:44 no I ment the patches to pmic driver to emit power key input event when BBB power button is pressed Aug 12 22:29:50 the mrtg patches I didn't find Aug 12 22:29:54 oops rrdtool Aug 12 22:31:32 ds2: if you know where the patches are.. appreciated.. now I need to sleep& Aug 12 22:31:39 but I'll check the logs in the morning Aug 12 22:31:42 I saw them before Aug 12 22:31:48 was searching for other stuff Aug 12 22:32:12 I am in the middle of something else otherwise, I can look for them. But I do remember patchesing being needed to do a shutdown and it is on my list of stuff to port for my board. Aug 12 22:32:53 ah ok so not RRDTool patches.. :) I found the poweroff partch already Aug 12 22:32:57 now sleepy time& Aug 12 22:33:04 ah ok Aug 12 22:33:17 Vaizki: because, i'm limited to the demo image. Aug 12 22:33:27 for maintenance purposes, in case i ever die. Aug 12 22:33:42 :) Aug 12 22:48:53 wow. doesn't look like anyone has made a generic uio interrupt handling kernel module that takes the irq as a parameter. :-| Aug 12 22:52:52 i'm absolutely dreading that they didn't claim the interrupt as "shared". Aug 12 23:03:39 and, of course, they're not shared. Aug 12 23:03:53 so, they claim and do nothing with the interrupt, and don't share it, so nothing else can use the interrupt. :D Aug 12 23:12:56 is there a way i can install wheezy on emmc while running the default angstrom on the emmc? i dont have a microsd card at moment Aug 12 23:13:14 heh Aug 12 23:13:27 im on BBB Aug 12 23:13:35 how cheap are the noobs these days Aug 12 23:13:40 get a microSD card Aug 12 23:13:55 i said i dont have one at the MOMENT Aug 12 23:14:02 then get one Aug 12 23:14:16 at the MOMENT means i will have one, as i already ordered it.. Aug 12 23:14:22 funkster: network boot :D Aug 12 23:14:40 nomel: don't encourage him/her Aug 12 23:14:43 :) Aug 12 23:14:57 is mranostay always this annoying? Aug 12 23:15:16 nomel: yeah. that is an option! lemme look into that Aug 12 23:16:07 is funkster always this impatient? Aug 12 23:16:17 funkster: also, there's a usb port if you have a usb flash drive (not sure how well that will work though) Aug 12 23:16:51 nomel: yeah i have usb flash drive currently looking into how i can boot off that then install on emmc. Aug 12 23:17:30 * nomel whispers to funkster that there are a bunch of unimaginative trolls in here. Aug 12 23:18:02 nomel: yeah i can see that... thanks for sharing and thanks for giving me viable options to what i'd like to achieve. Aug 12 23:19:04 hey guys.. i can't seem to ssh into my BBB ( USB or Ethernet )? Aug 12 23:19:16 * mranostay needs to drink Aug 12 23:19:31 USB0 is blinking in heartbeat pattern ( just faster than normal ) Aug 12 23:19:57 brimestone: sometimes the board gets dirty. throw it in the wash for the rinse cycle. use the "heat dry" option if you have it. Aug 12 23:19:58 heart attack? Aug 12 23:20:06 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/171 Aug 12 23:20:55 hehe? seriously? i can ping on both (USB and Ether) but no ssh Aug 12 23:21:17 mranostay: which is worse, being quoted on that site or having quotes about you on it? Aug 12 23:21:20 telnet x.x.x.x 22 Aug 12 23:21:32 see if ports open to begin with. Aug 12 23:21:33 yeah man. if that doesn't work, try steal wool. Aug 12 23:21:47 make sure it's powered while you're washing though, so you can tell if you're cleaning it properly. Aug 12 23:21:59 now who's a troll? Aug 12 23:22:10 mru: latter i think Aug 12 23:22:24 alan_o had a good one as well Aug 12 23:22:31 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/139 Aug 12 23:22:39 well 22,80,443,3000,6600 all open.. but nothing Aug 12 23:22:52 can't seem to get the login prompt Aug 12 23:23:38 does telnet give you a response? usually ssh version Aug 12 23:23:46 none.. Aug 12 23:23:59 the only thing i did today was to install net-snmp Aug 12 23:24:12 id say next step it to boot with monitor hooked up to see whats going on Aug 12 23:24:24 brimestone: serial console if all else fails. Aug 12 23:24:35 :( dont have that stupid micro hdmi Aug 12 23:24:46 im sure you dont have serial cable as well, heh. Aug 12 23:24:51 I'd say hook up a serial cable Aug 12 23:25:03 i have a lot of serial cable.. but connect it where? Aug 12 23:25:19 J1? Aug 12 23:25:19 its not a serial cabel you are referring to im pretty sure. Aug 12 23:25:37 brimestone: has to be 3.3v serial, not rs232. Aug 12 23:25:44 it's a 3.3V serial port Aug 12 23:25:48 brimestone: if you have another beaglebone, you can use that. Aug 12 23:25:49 so you need a level shifter Aug 12 23:26:27 http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=File:RPI_Serial.png Aug 12 23:26:34 or one of those usb-serial things that are alrady 3.3V Aug 12 23:27:14 is this normal thing? Aug 12 23:27:53 like it gets corrumpted or something? Aug 12 23:28:02 if you max'ed you drive space out, this sort of thing happens. Aug 12 23:28:05 just an FYI Aug 12 23:28:18 ahhh possibly.. Aug 12 23:28:36 that net-snmp took forever to compile/download Aug 12 23:29:22 if its an microSD, check it in a computer. Aug 12 23:29:22 yeah a bbb isn't a build system Aug 12 23:29:42 corrumpted? is that a british thing? Aug 12 23:29:47 well.. i coundnt get snmp to install.. hense i had to compile Aug 12 23:30:25 whats the best action to take? Aug 12 23:31:32 check sd capacity if its an sd, if not.. go buy a mini hdmi. probably have those in local stores Aug 12 23:31:43 you can prob return it as well =P Aug 12 23:31:54 sd capacity? Aug 12 23:32:05 if its full or not. Aug 12 23:32:17 i dont have a micro SD in there.. Aug 12 23:32:23 then nevermind =D Aug 12 23:33:07 download angstrom and re-image? Aug 12 23:33:15 thats the only solution? Aug 12 23:35:43 do you have a walmart nearby and 10$? Aug 12 23:35:59 no? walmart if freakin far.. Aug 12 23:36:12 will 8GB+ micro SD work? Aug 12 23:36:32 ah yes why not Aug 12 23:36:50 i read that it will only work with 4GB Aug 12 23:37:05 yeah where? Aug 12 23:37:25 well pretty much all of the uBuntu installation guide says 4GB Aug 12 23:37:35 they are both SDHC cards Aug 12 23:37:41 so? Aug 12 23:37:54 can't fit a 4GB image on a 8GB card? Aug 12 23:37:55 ok.. ill try that tonight.. Aug 12 23:38:15 i got use the massive servers with TB of storage.. Aug 12 23:44:23 ARGGG! Aug 12 23:47:30 Russ: ping Aug 12 23:47:52 Crofton and Crofton|work! Aug 12 23:48:24 ? Aug 12 23:49:19 hey Crofton|work! Aug 12 23:49:36 Crofton|work: have you seen the "cheap" SDR board from mossman? Aug 12 23:49:37 Crofton|work: so b-day over the weekend? Aug 12 23:49:53 mine no Aug 12 23:49:59 I've seen a hackrf Aug 12 23:50:09 think that might be it Aug 12 23:50:30 Crofton|work: any opinions on that? at $199 it is a lot cheaper Aug 12 23:50:45 dep[ends on what you want to do :) Aug 12 23:50:55 let's say I want to do a private GSM network :D Aug 12 23:51:06 * mranostay calls the NSA on ds2 Aug 12 23:51:17 on a boat in the middle of the ocean near no land bodies of course ;) Aug 12 23:51:31 lalallallalalalalalala Aug 12 23:51:33 I'm thinking hackrf can't do that Aug 12 23:51:37 * mranostay covers ears Aug 12 23:51:44 oh Aug 12 23:52:04 let me check the names Aug 12 23:52:49 they claim 30MHz-6GHz xmit/rcv Aug 12 23:53:09 are there other gotchas? Aug 12 23:53:42 Low output power, half-duplex... Aug 12 23:53:52 Not available until January. Aug 12 23:54:08 a few months is no biggie Aug 12 23:54:17 seeing it as a big step up from a RTL dongle Aug 12 23:54:34 Built-in clock (crystal) precision is too low for serious GSM BTS. Aug 12 23:55:04 Half-duplex makes BTS timing requirements tricky -- possibly the best way to address is linking two HackRFs together. Aug 12 23:55:13 I see Aug 12 23:55:36 You can get an earful over at #hackrf. :-) Aug 12 23:56:58 disconnected the power too many times...corrupted my flash...again. :-| Aug 13 00:00:35 i suppose I should have seen the 20MB/s write speed for a class 2 as suspicious. Aug 13 00:03:26 maybe little b Aug 13 00:04:31 no, big B, from "Win32 Disk Imager". this "good" class 4 card is chugging along at 5.59MB/s. Aug 13 00:11:31 hello Aug 13 00:12:17 I created this pythonftp server https://code.google.com/p/pyftpdlib/ but whenever I try to connect I get a connection refused error Aug 13 00:12:42 does anyone have an ftp server running on angstrom? Aug 13 00:13:03 hahaha? Cloud9 stil got access into the OS? i can delete files to make space Aug 13 00:15:26 YES!!! it worked! Aug 13 00:16:37 No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it. Connection failed. Aug 13 00:17:38 The connection was offered, and the target machine stood up and came forward and looked the connecting machine in the eye and said with absolute certainty that the connection was not welcome. Aug 13 00:18:06 yep, thats what happened Aug 13 00:18:22 i knew it Aug 13 00:18:51 tried a different port. same unwelcomeness Aug 13 00:20:10 brimestone: ran out of space huh? Aug 13 00:20:18 yup.. Aug 13 00:20:35 fortunately, Cloud9 still has access into the system Aug 13 00:20:38 yeah, i figured... i'd have similar situations like that. Aug 13 00:20:41 ohh niice. awesome Aug 13 00:20:50 so i wrote a js that exec Aug 13 00:20:55 goge: i wonder if you have to enable the port or allow it somehow in the firewall.. but i don't know much about angstrom Aug 13 00:20:58 and look for files to delete Aug 13 00:21:10 2MB is all it takes.. then i got my ssh working again Aug 13 00:21:39 hmm Aug 13 00:22:02 goge: just in case...you're specifying the same port with the client, right? Aug 13 00:22:49 nomel: ya matching ports Aug 13 00:23:16 anyone know what angstrom is using as a firewall? Aug 13 00:26:38 goge: are you trying to connect on an intranet, or remotely? Aug 13 00:30:31 goge: can you connect on the beaglebone? Aug 13 00:30:50 doh. Aug 13 00:31:25 I cannot seem to get cloud9 working worth annything Aug 13 00:31:40 yikes! my 2GB is 96% full i can't find something to delete Aug 13 00:31:52 my ~ directory is only 59MB Aug 13 00:32:06 I have literally a single line file that says nothing but console.log("test"); and it doesn't work. Aug 13 00:32:26 * Stoob is bout to lose it Aug 13 00:33:11 so how do people get files onto their bbb? Aug 13 00:33:49 goge: SFTP is my fav.. Aug 13 00:33:52 scp ? Aug 13 00:33:57 bbb 2x the power 10x the fustration Aug 13 00:34:00 or within BBB wget Aug 13 00:34:21 so is there a default sftp or ftp server running? Aug 13 00:34:50 goge: well sure.. thats how most of BBB users log into the system Aug 13 00:35:22 goge: can you connect locally on the beaglebone to the ftp? Aug 13 00:35:38 goge: i use nfs Aug 13 00:35:47 and ftp, using that same python ftp Aug 13 00:40:09 is there like an empty trash for Angstrom Aug 13 00:47:01 OK the SRM has conflicting dang info Aug 13 00:47:14 * Stoob mad Aug 13 00:49:25 Page 82, "table 12: expansion header p9 pinout": shows pins 32-40 on P9 as being the ADC pins (AIN0-AIN6) Aug 13 00:49:56 page 101 lists P8 as containing the ADC pins Aug 13 00:50:33 where the hell can I get a proper expansion header pinout Aug 13 00:53:12 i have two beaglebones. one can boot off an sdcard, the other can't. could my sdcard port be broken? i'm using the same card on both. Aug 13 00:53:49 how can i try to mount the sdcard using the default angstrom os? Aug 13 00:54:21 arashb: are these blacks? Aug 13 00:54:26 yes Aug 13 00:55:07 and do you have the rootfs on emmc on either? Aug 13 00:55:19 what do you mean? Aug 13 00:55:58 did you get rid of the default rootfs that shipped on the boards? Aug 13 00:56:09 no Aug 13 00:56:21 how would i have gotten rid of it? Aug 13 00:56:42 will angstrom automatically mount an attached sdcard? Aug 13 00:57:18 you need to tell it to do so in an text file uEnv.txt Aug 13 00:57:56 how do i do that? Aug 13 01:00:03 all this is in my uEnv.txt file is: optargs=quiet drm.debug=7 Aug 13 01:04:04 are you wanting to boot from sd, or just use it as storage? Aug 13 01:04:29 boot from sd Aug 13 01:04:41 holding down the boot button and applying power does nothing Aug 13 01:04:46 do i have to update the board? Aug 13 01:05:58 mmcdev=1 Aug 13 01:05:58 bootpart=1:2 Aug 13 01:05:58 mmcroot=/dev/mmcblk1p2 ro Aug 13 01:06:00 ok add these lines to your uEnv.txt Aug 13 01:08:24 today I learned: uboot doesn't like it when you format the SD card with GPT Aug 13 01:08:41 msdos MBR partition type only I guess Aug 13 01:09:14 something that it has a driver for is preferred Aug 13 01:10:37 hmm that didn't help either.. Aug 13 01:11:36 do you have the proper files on partition 2 of your SD? Aug 13 01:11:52 namely your rootfs files Aug 13 01:14:32 thurgood: yes, the same sdcard works on the other beagleboard Aug 13 01:14:37 and it boots from it Aug 13 01:14:50 could the sdcard slot be damaged/broken? Aug 13 01:15:17 it's possible, not highly likely Aug 13 01:16:09 I had a broken sd slot on an beagleboard C3, but it wasn't broken out of the box Aug 13 01:17:25 hmm so what would cause the same sd to boot on one, but not the other? Aug 13 01:18:17 if you have a broken or bent contact inside the sd card housing, or even a broken connector, sure Aug 13 01:19:37 but if it's a brand new board that's aways had the sd ejected properly I wouldn't expect it right off Aug 13 01:20:10 it is a brand new board Aug 13 01:21:19 when i hold the boot button with the sd inserted, none of the 4 LED lights come on Aug 13 01:22:55 Hello Aug 13 01:26:07 Does anyone know how to get BBB to auto connect to WIFI? Aug 13 01:39:29 thurgood: upon further examination, it appears the sdcard connector is damaged Aug 13 01:40:54 that sucks, but at least you know now Aug 13 01:43:00 thurgood: is it possible to boot off a USB key instead? Aug 13 01:44:21 dunno, doubt there's support for that currrently Aug 13 01:44:43 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#USB_boot Aug 13 01:44:48 might be of some use. Aug 13 01:45:08 probably works in debian. Aug 13 01:45:21 and the bootloader already supports boot from mmc/sd Aug 13 01:45:28 since that's how the beagles flash themselves Aug 13 01:45:33 unfortuanately the bbb is not a beagleboard Aug 13 01:45:55 your mileage may vary on the bbb Aug 13 01:46:03 ah, sorry. Aug 13 02:24:31 just got BBB - it boots fine, i put microsd card in and it doesn't boot. am i doing something wrong? Aug 13 02:24:55 sd card has no OS, i was looking to boot off emmc and install OS on sd card Aug 13 02:31:53 Is there any API for programming in lower level on the beaglebone? I feel like I have a 1ghz processor that's crippled by my inability to get to it Aug 13 02:32:18 every C API I look at just wraps around the sysfs files, and I don't think any have support for interrupt callbacks Aug 13 02:32:44 (indeed even the Bonescript api is effectively just a wrapper around the sysfs files) Aug 13 02:34:51 Stoob, if you don't want to use the easy-to-use interfaces, you can get behind them :) Aug 13 02:35:20 although, it only really makes sense for gpio, since i2c is through ioctl Aug 13 02:36:19 for interrupt stuff, you'll have to get into kernel space with kernel code, or uio. Aug 13 02:37:15 thats what it looks like I am going to have to do Aug 13 02:37:42 not like I really want to, but I'll do what it takes :p Aug 13 02:38:56 anyone have an idea why new BBB wont boot with new microsd card inserted? Aug 13 02:39:09 boots fine without sd card. Aug 13 02:40:51 funkster: http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_FAQ#How_can_I_use_a_uSD_in_the_uSD_slot_as_extra_storage_on_my_BeagleBone_Black.3F Aug 13 02:42:25 Stoob: ahh ok great, then i could install OS on the sd card. is this the correct method of doing so? Aug 13 02:53:58 you can install it on the sd card...but why not install it on the emmc? much faster. Aug 13 02:56:55 use the sd for storage-that-will-eventually-corrupt. Aug 13 02:56:57 cause it will. Aug 13 02:57:01 >:-( Aug 13 02:57:03 nomel: i would download on sd then flash then? Aug 13 02:57:20 read the faq. it clearly tells how to flash emmc. Aug 13 02:57:22 :P Aug 13 02:57:43 i was reading and it said to untar img on sd =( Aug 13 02:57:54 maybe i was reading wrong faq Aug 13 02:57:58 no, you have it Aug 13 02:58:07 it loads an image on the sd card that flashes the emmc Aug 13 02:58:31 can you paste me the faq link. what i was reading didnt seem to say that Aug 13 02:58:40 once the emmc has the image, you toss the sd card Aug 13 02:58:51 that's why it's called a "flasher" image. Aug 13 02:59:14 then, if you want to use the sd as extra storage, with the os booting off the emmc, you follow that link Stoob pasted. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 13 02:59:59 2013