**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 15 03:00:00 2013 Aug 15 03:12:50 "all i have is count++" ? Aug 15 03:13:02 you do realize that will use all and any idle CPU right ? Aug 15 03:13:36 excuse me/ Aug 15 03:14:06 if it's a very high frequency interrupt, yeah it will. If it happens once a second, no it certainly wont Aug 15 03:14:23 while(1){count++;}<----this will use up to 100% CPU Aug 15 03:14:33 That would, if I had it in a while() loop Aug 15 03:14:48 how much CPU are you using then ? Aug 15 03:14:48 I have it on a rising interrupt on one of the GPIOs Aug 15 03:15:04 Now that i know what you mean im curious Aug 15 03:15:09 depends how frequently the GPIO hits Aug 15 03:15:24 can you give a rough estimate ? Aug 15 03:15:26 if it's above 2khz, then I use 100%+ CPU Aug 15 03:15:48 I don't think I've got any other data on it Aug 15 03:15:49 ah so you're using he CPU and not the PRU Aug 15 03:16:00 Yeah, I was advised to change that :p Aug 15 03:16:15 I may end up patching the driver for eCAP so I can just use that feature rather than even the PRU Aug 15 03:16:20 but I haven't looked at using the PRU just yet Aug 15 03:16:38 just curious what is it that you need this for ? what is the GPIO for exactly ? Aug 15 03:16:45 Measuring RPMs Aug 15 03:16:58 race car stats, or just regular car ? Aug 15 03:17:09 If you want an utterly total big picture, it's going to be a motorcycle datalogger Aug 15 03:17:39 ah hmm there is anothe project i saw like that on a stellaris forums Aug 15 03:17:57 not racing, but the RPMs do get up there (and I'll be measuring more than just the RPM of the engine (wheel RPMs too, lots of other sensors) Aug 15 03:17:58 stellaris launchpad == 80Mhz Aug 15 03:18:08 is it ARM? Aug 15 03:18:16 yeah cortex M4 Aug 15 03:18:31 much much slower processor Aug 15 03:18:38 Yeah. I have been looking at stuff like the ardunio due, and the teensy3 Aug 15 03:19:03 but it's *so nice* not having to worry about filesystems or SD card driving or bluetooth or wifi drivers etc :p Aug 15 03:19:22 a linux ecosystem is cool, but there's a helluva tradeoff in raw speed/hw access Aug 15 03:19:26 heh i met a guy once about two years ago who wanted to do 30k RPM statistics. could you imagine what that'd be like ? Aug 15 03:19:38 race car of course Aug 15 03:19:43 wouldn't be too bad on most microcontrollers Aug 15 03:19:51 and if I can get eCAP working, certainly would be well within its range Aug 15 03:19:57 that would be too much for an Intel i7 i think Aug 15 03:20:04 using just the CPU Aug 15 03:20:22 maybe for toggling a gpio pin, but 30krpm really isn't much Aug 15 03:20:44 SO maybe you just ned a high performance averaging ADC ? Aug 15 03:21:05 30000RPM is actually only 500 hz :p Aug 15 03:21:23 well he wanted to check valve adjustments for every_single_RPM Aug 15 03:21:26 however the crankshaft sensors may trigger multiple times for rotation Aug 15 03:21:30 two cams Aug 15 03:21:37 err sorry 4 cams Aug 15 03:22:00 yeah, stuff gets crazy once you start multiplying sensors Aug 15 03:22:10 but I think it's still easily doable by the faster arduinos Aug 15 03:22:18 just a matter of how you plan to get the data out of the arduino Aug 15 03:22:45 I say arduino when I just mean general microcontrollers, though Aug 15 03:23:16 what i remember is that he wanted to automaticall check valves, and adjust timing for each RPM cycle Aug 15 03:23:30 plus he wanted tons of statistics data Aug 15 03:23:40 i just told him "good luck with that"lol Aug 15 03:23:42 hypothetically if I was programming the bare metal bbb, i could get a buttload done every second, but that'd be a lot more work than i'm willing to do right now :p Aug 15 03:24:20 I also plan to be getting ~10hz GPS data over the serial bus which should be nifty Aug 15 03:24:40 * prpplague muses that this line of discussion sounds more like a #raspberrypi discussion by the minute Aug 15 03:24:50 lol Aug 15 03:25:09 they're both hundreds-of-megahertz ARM procs, not that different really :p Aug 15 03:25:21 BBB is bettar Aug 15 03:25:26 oh I don't disagree ther Aug 15 03:25:35 too on topic for #beagle Aug 15 03:25:40 I gave away my raspi without generally doing anything with it Aug 15 03:25:55 not enough pins :p Aug 15 03:26:12 how many GPIO like pin output do they have ? Aug 15 03:26:19 i checked once wasnt impressed Aug 15 03:26:21 I believe something like 10 Aug 15 03:26:40 you can get more out if you use the camera connector and some other hacky things, I think Aug 15 03:27:15 yeah thats no where near enough Aug 15 03:27:42 the project we're working on uses everylast GPIO, UART I2C and SPI availible Aug 15 03:28:35 Looking at the wiki it seems you can have 17 from the gpio haeder itself Aug 15 03:29:05 the eMMC alone uses 10, was told I should be able to get 4 back but i dont count on it Aug 15 03:29:32 and we dont / wont use the hdmi Aug 15 03:29:46 m_billybob: what is your bbb project? Aug 15 03:29:56 remote site control Aug 15 03:30:21 'site' control? Aug 15 03:30:49 turnign things on /off ( lots of automation ) monitoring inputs etc Aug 15 03:32:11 WebUI and all that. with user configuration etc Aug 15 03:33:57 dont worry pressure cookers dont enter into the picture ;) Aug 15 03:35:38 ug afraid to check my email. . . Aug 15 03:37:00 lol Aug 15 03:37:18 m_billybob: uh... if you need more i/o than what the beaglebone black provides, there are other solutions to add to the black that make a lot more sense.... Aug 15 03:37:27 Yeah I haven't lost my mind enough to do anything life-critical with the BBB yet Aug 15 03:37:29 ah groups not too bad this time, mostly just delete all Aug 15 03:37:45 prpplague sure IO expanders etc, and we'll have to use a few Aug 15 03:38:35 m_billybob: how many outputs and how many inputs are you expecting? Aug 15 03:38:35 prpplague what i was talkign abotu was the 10 or so GPIO availible on the rpi Aug 15 03:38:45 m_billybob: ahh Aug 15 03:39:15 prpplague exactly how many im not sure, im woring the software side, but know we're using every last IO on the BBB and then some Aug 15 03:39:48 m_billybob: that doesn't bode well Aug 15 03:39:55 prpplague basically im still familizing myself with linux from the embedded perspective. so far my experience has been with stuff like the launchpad ( MSP430 type ) Aug 15 03:40:05 Why doesn't it bode well prpplague? Aug 15 03:40:44 prpplague my buddy is very good with the EE stuffs, he'll deal with all that and tell me what i have to do Aug 15 03:40:47 Stoob: proper allocation of resources is a basically the same as painting yourself into a corner... Aug 15 03:41:06 hehe Aug 15 03:41:12 Ah, figure there'll be unplanned additional requirements? Aug 15 03:41:15 m_billybob: may i quote you on that? Aug 15 03:41:44 prpplague lol what we talking the EE versus codemonkey angle here ? lol sure . . .by all means Aug 15 03:43:00 prpplague we're already into revision 2 I expect a few more revisions to come later Aug 15 03:43:59 my favorite thing to hear is something like "why cant you do that ? its so easy . . ." to whcih i replay"because you're not ocding it . . ." Aug 15 03:44:08 reply* Aug 15 03:44:16 coding . . . Aug 15 03:44:46 m_billybob: hehe yea, " I expect a few more revisions to come later" is a reasonable expectation, hehe Aug 15 03:45:22 we use elecrow for pcbs and they're two layer so not too bad Aug 15 03:45:34 10 for ~$50 Aug 15 03:49:42 prpplague anyhow he has it all planned out to nothign technicaly unplanned. i just dotn know every single detail *yet* Aug 15 03:50:01 dotnreally want to know everything as im still leanring lots Aug 15 03:50:30 and then yeah, things may have to change Aug 15 03:50:44 Hi All Aug 15 03:50:47 hi Aug 15 03:50:54 m_billybob: hehe, my comment is - beware the EE they generally know nothing about making the code work..... Aug 15 03:51:01 * m_billybob fires up the banjo music Aug 15 03:51:11 I try to bootup beaglebone with mainline u-boot Aug 15 03:51:16 however can not boot up Aug 15 03:51:22 prpplague somethign im comming ot realise very quickly Aug 15 03:51:33 the file MLO and u-boot.img I copy to TF card Aug 15 03:52:09 Doesn't show anything Aug 15 03:52:15 VoiceShen what about uEnv.txt ? and am335x-boneblack.dtb Aug 15 03:52:43 is this BBW or BBB ? Aug 15 03:53:22 m_billybob: I don't think it related with uEnv.txt and am335x-boneblack.dtb Aug 15 03:53:24 Crofton: ping Aug 15 03:53:55 VoiceShen ok so now this is where i ask why you dont think so Aug 15 03:54:28 m_billybob, becuase, the SPL and u-boot not execute Aug 15 03:54:42 VoiceShen either way lots of more details you can give me to give you a quicker beter responce Aug 15 03:55:19 m_billybob: build SPL and u-boot.img from mainline u-boot Aug 15 03:55:29 VoiceShen are you booting from an uSD card ? is this a beaglebone white or black ? lots more info yet you can give me Aug 15 03:55:30 copy MLO and u-boot.img file into SD card Aug 15 03:55:39 Yes uSD card Aug 15 03:55:51 beaglebone black ? Aug 15 03:56:01 white Aug 15 03:56:19 using omap_beagle to configure u-boot Aug 15 03:56:21 if it is white, a serial log ought to be very easy to capture. Aug 15 03:56:35 for BeagleBone, that is the wrong target. Aug 15 03:56:40 it should be am335x_evm. Aug 15 03:56:42 jkridner i think he said somethign ike hes not getting any output Aug 15 03:56:54 OK, I will try am335x_evm Aug 15 03:57:19 thanks Aug 15 03:57:45 * m_billybob has had zero hands on with the white Aug 15 03:57:49 sorry for the confusion. Aug 15 03:58:37 the am335x_evm continues to haunt us Aug 15 03:59:08 http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/U-Boot_on_the_BBB is a nice set of notes Aug 15 03:59:11 ds2: yup. :( Aug 15 03:59:45 jkridner i find those a bit overwelming and thus confusing. Aug 15 04:00:16 where are Ed and Lorraine Warren when you need them Aug 15 04:01:06 the am335x_evm.h file im afamiliar with though Aug 15 04:01:18 I wonder if Tartarus would support an effort to create a bone-unique config. I know it is desired to share a lot with the EVM, but it is quite confusing. Aug 15 04:01:46 maybe then we could get a few more of those patches upstream. most of the patches are pretty simple. Aug 15 04:02:33 oo nice hes since added help output. Aug 15 04:03:16 ive been using a PDF by digikey i think that is a slightly different u-boot, for refference Aug 15 04:04:39 fwiw i use debian and as such use RCN's u-boot build instructions Aug 15 04:04:55 does redhawk real time linux work with beagle bone black?? Aug 15 04:05:34 * m_billybob doesnt know Aug 15 04:05:38 "NOTE: It appears that if you want to download the kernel via TFTP, you have to apply the "kloadaddr" patch from above -- I'll verify that when I get the chance. Aug 15 04:05:40 " Aug 15 04:05:46 is that true for Angstrom ? Aug 15 04:06:20 because i just use $loadaddr Aug 15 04:06:29 can you help me with that Aug 15 04:06:32 ?? Aug 15 04:06:40 * m_billybob doesnt know Aug 15 04:07:40 how to add RT PREEMPT patch to linux?? Aug 15 04:07:57 linux that is given with beaglebone board Aug 15 04:08:43 patch -p1 < rt_reempt.patch Aug 15 04:11:18 * jkridner notes https://www.osadl.org/Profile-of-system-in-rack-7-slot-8.qa-profile-r7s8.0.html is still a very old kernel. :( Aug 15 04:11:48 * jkridner wonders about testing of https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8-rt Aug 15 04:12:20 tel me if it is possible to add rt preemt patch to angstrom to make it hard real time?? Aug 15 04:12:44 tel me if it is possible to add rt preemt patch to angstrom to make it hard real time?? Aug 15 04:13:37 hello Aug 15 04:18:01 divorcing the EVM should simplify some of the code Aug 15 04:19:44 danny devito as mini me Aug 15 04:19:56 yeap watcing goldmember Aug 15 04:20:54 viany: you only need to ask once Aug 15 04:26:59 jkridner: yea it is amazing to think a major corporation would base all of the SDK's on a 3.2 kernel and have no major plans for upgrading to something more current Aug 15 04:27:15 ? Aug 15 04:27:48 TI's SDKs aren't based on a 3.2 kernel anymore and there are plans for moving to more current kernels. Aug 15 04:28:06 the OSADL setup is still running a 2.6.32 kernel. Aug 15 04:28:10 don't know why. Aug 15 04:29:50 I misspoke a bit. http://www.ti.com/tool/linuxezsdk-sitara still has a 3.2 kernel for BeagleBone, but I recently had the pre-release SDK sent to me that uses a 3.8 kernel. Aug 15 04:30:23 it isn't a complete enough distro for me to bother with for DIY projects. Aug 15 04:30:24 yea i know you misspoke... i spent 4 frackin hours listening about it today..... Aug 15 04:30:52 lol Aug 15 04:31:00 well, you are wrong about no major plans to move to something more current... Aug 15 04:31:11 all i want is ecap drivers :( Aug 15 04:31:29 * m_billybob has everythign he needs Aug 15 04:31:31 all the work is going into the mainline now, whatever work there is, even if it does sit around internally too long. Aug 15 04:31:54 hell i'd be happy on linux 2.6 if it had ecap drivers Aug 15 04:31:57 Stoob: are there some threads on what the architecture of a ecap driver would look like? iio? Aug 15 04:32:18 there is some small amount of information on what one would look like Aug 15 04:32:25 but i'd rather not have to write my own driver for it Aug 15 04:32:38 Hell they've got ecap PWM output driver support Aug 15 04:32:39 but not input Aug 15 04:33:33 PWM input ? *confused* Aug 15 04:34:28 eCAP input, effectively, yes, it'd be PWM input. It's a module of the processor designed to measure frequency, duty cycle, pulse width, that sort of thing Aug 15 04:37:22 technically the BBB's processor should have 3 such modules Aug 15 04:39:32 Crofton, would you know why __get_free_pages might sometimes result in "BUG: Bad page state" in the kernel? Aug 15 04:39:35 one could say the 3.8 kernel is still born Aug 15 04:40:24 Stoob, are the pins broken out? Aug 15 04:40:37 and seems to occur, 1 in 10 cycles of get_free_pages and free_pages Aug 15 04:41:15 Crofton|work even :) Aug 15 04:41:46 [ 22.658233] BUG: Bad page state in process insmod pfn:ac900 Aug 15 04:41:46 [ 22.663604] page:c151a000 count:0 mapcount:0 mapping: (null) index:0x0 Aug 15 04:41:46 [ 22.671356] page flags: 0x200(arch_1) Aug 15 04:42:14 Vaizki: yes, they use semiconfigurable pins IIRC Aug 15 04:43:01 Vaizki: there is current driver support for driving them as PWM outputs, I'd imagine they use the same pins for input but of course i'd check the docs before relying on that fact Aug 15 04:45:59 * joel_ double checks the page order Aug 15 04:51:27 Vaizki: scratch that, they're not configurable but they're definitely broken out Aug 15 04:51:42 at least 2 of em are Aug 15 05:11:49 Dem PRUs Aug 15 06:57:31 greetings, trolls and mortals! Aug 15 07:05:54 trolls are not mortal? kewl. Aug 15 08:57:38 hi Aug 15 08:58:25 i'd like to use a kernel.org on my bbb. can someone please tell me what dirvers are still missing. thanks :) Aug 15 09:01:37 https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.8/patches Aug 15 09:01:39 there you go Aug 15 09:01:44 you miss all these Aug 15 09:01:54 no Aug 15 09:02:10 i'm very sure that i do not muss the preempt-rt patches... Aug 15 09:02:27 https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel/tree/3.11/patches Aug 15 09:02:30 maybe there then :) Aug 15 09:03:07 this tree also contains lots of patches for other bealge devices. i'm only interested in beagle bone black Aug 15 09:03:54 av500: are you running a mainline kernel on the bbb? Aug 15 09:04:05 no Aug 15 09:04:11 3.8 + patches Aug 15 09:04:15 I'm lazy Aug 15 09:04:22 ok Aug 15 09:08:32 i need to compile some things into the kernel, is there anyhting i should be aware of concerning the beaglebone black running debian, or should it be the standard process? Aug 15 09:16:34 does anybody know the login details of Angstroem v2012.12 Kernel 3.8.13 ? - i cant start the image Aug 15 09:17:27 root / root isnt it? Aug 15 09:18:45 i will try but keyboard doesnt react at typing the password ...icouldnt find the instruction page of update installation process... Aug 15 09:19:06 this is the endgame: http://technical.io/ Aug 15 09:19:37 hi guys, is there a pdf version of this? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1627051376/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER i want to buy the pdf Aug 15 09:21:01 jkridner: ^^^^^ Aug 15 09:21:28 http://beagleboard.org/bad-to-the-bone Aug 15 09:21:51 PDF at http://www.morganclaypool.com/doi/abs/10.2200/S00500ED1V01Y201304DCS041 Aug 15 09:23:43 jkridner: thanks Aug 15 09:34:41 hi,all ,I find a problem the img is 3G big,but the eMMC is only 2G ,how can I burn the img to the eMMC? Aug 15 09:38:17 lispghost make your image smaller Aug 15 09:38:43 I download the img from the officer website Aug 15 09:38:49 how to make my image smaller? Aug 15 09:39:26 take a linux out of it Aug 15 09:40:15 you mean I make boot and rootfs myself? Aug 15 09:40:33 3GB = this is Linux + 2.9GB of movies? Aug 15 09:41:25 movies? Aug 15 09:41:43 I couldn't imagine what else it might be, 3GB is quite a lot Aug 15 09:41:58 I would say it's insane for embedded Linux Aug 15 09:42:09 You can fit quite a lot on as 'linux' if you install every single program. Aug 15 09:42:29 I have once gotten X+shell+browser+kernel on a single floppy Aug 15 09:42:34 It was a while ago though Aug 15 09:43:44 but after I extract the *.tar.bz2 tarball ,I got the 3GB img Aug 15 09:47:09 what image is 3GB? Aug 15 09:47:17 from where? Aug 15 09:47:26 if emmc is too small, run it from uSD Aug 15 09:47:37 there are 64GB uSD cards... Aug 15 09:54:24 av500, I got it from the beaglebone.org Aug 15 09:54:45 which one? Aug 15 09:58:15 hm this side is slightly broken http://beagleboard.org/Support/Software%20Support Aug 15 09:59:27 hm http://beagleboard.org/latest-images Aug 15 10:09:46 let me see Aug 15 10:10:04 yes Aug 15 10:10:06 I use http://beagleboard.org/latest-images Aug 15 10:10:17 after I extract the img is 3G Aug 15 10:12:20 I see 4GB SD and 2GB emmc images Aug 15 10:12:25 damnn i wish i could wire C for the PRUs Aug 15 10:12:41 I dont see a 4GB emmc image advertised Aug 15 10:12:41 ASM is one troublesome beast for me Aug 15 10:12:54 so yes, the 4GB image will not fit the 2GB emmc Aug 15 10:17:09 hm I was right he cannot read Aug 15 10:17:26 BeagleBone (Runs on BeagleBone Black as well without flashing the eMMC) Aug 15 10:17:38 BeagleBone Black (eMMC flasher) Aug 15 10:20:39 yep. Aug 15 10:21:36 hm, then someone should create youtube tutorial "how to read" Aug 15 10:22:53 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvoGic3eig0 Aug 15 10:35:43 ynezz: http://youtu.be/pQHX-SjgQvQ Aug 15 10:36:35 Aww, HowToBasic doesn’t have a “how to read” video. Aug 15 10:38:16 first you need a "how to find youtube video" Aug 15 10:38:39 see the end of the one I linked Aug 15 10:40:31 ok, but how do I access IRC? Aug 15 10:40:41 and how do I connect to the internets? Aug 15 10:40:51 that should be explained on IRC somewhere Aug 15 10:57:31 good moaning Aug 15 10:57:45 moroning dm8tbr Aug 15 10:58:35 * dm8tbr sacrifices some chocolate to one of the trolls Aug 15 10:58:47 gm dm8tbr Aug 15 11:00:11 how can i get accelerated graphics on the bbb? do i have to use the ti 3.2 kernel? Aug 15 11:00:51 drop it from the top of a tall building while rendering Aug 15 11:01:50 mru: very funny... Aug 15 11:02:13 http://www.hacker10.com/other-computing/how-egyptian-police-quickly-cracked-journalists-computer-password/ Aug 15 11:02:20 brute force password cracking Aug 15 11:02:26 if i'm not mistaken the sgx-pvr drivers work only on 3.2 (not 3.8) Aug 15 11:03:09 derRichard: to be released soon afaiu Aug 15 11:06:53 soon in TI calendar could mean next year... Aug 15 11:07:10 +1 Aug 15 11:07:11 no, that's Real Soon Aug 15 11:07:16 ! Aug 15 11:09:04 dm8tbr: no one is working on it Aug 15 11:09:13 dm8tbr: the '3.8' port is for fbdev, not drm/kms Aug 15 11:09:39 oh. lovely... Aug 15 11:09:43 so no picture on the screen for bones Aug 15 11:12:23 koen: but if i use kernel 3.2 i can load the sgx driver, right? Aug 15 11:12:41 does 3.2 support the bb black? Aug 15 11:13:16 not mainline, but the ti 3.2 tree Aug 15 11:13:25 * derRichard currently runs a 3.2 kernel Aug 15 11:13:48 I knew 3.2 supported the white, but I didn't realise the black patches had been backported Aug 15 11:14:27 or is it just running as a white, aka without mmc and hdmi Aug 15 11:14:38 s/mmc/emmc Aug 15 11:15:25 you get serial if you're lucky Aug 15 11:15:37 no TI tree will ever properly support beagle* Aug 15 11:15:54 adding cape support is verboten by TI Aug 15 11:16:24 update 3.2.0 to a newer 3.2 stable release is verboten Aug 15 11:16:28 code review is verboten Aug 15 11:16:43 flogging dead horses is !verboten Aug 15 11:29:02 TI is verboten? Aug 15 11:32:34 alles verboten Aug 15 11:36:11 koen: you've highlight for 'TI', 'sgx' or 'soon' ? :p Aug 15 11:42:00 KotH: http://www.treelobsters.com/2013/08/502-whey-of-things.html Aug 15 11:54:45 TIL: i study brie Aug 15 11:58:20 Anyone here had bad experiences trying to install Raring Ringtail on the BBB? Aug 15 11:58:42 Once I installed X and started using the GUI, it kept crashing on me like every two minutes! Aug 15 11:59:02 But I downgraded to Precise Pangolin, and that's been performing flawlessly Aug 15 11:59:45 I got BBB but I do not know I can do what Aug 15 12:00:17 yes I'm convinced there needs to be a test before you can buy one Aug 15 12:00:40 lol Aug 15 12:01:16 well it's a bit ridicilous here on the channel now that I've been hanging around for a month or so Aug 15 12:01:36 lispghost: I was using it to read light levels with a photoresistor. It was really easy. Aug 15 12:01:36 people are about as prepared for embedded linux as I am for wingsuit flying Aug 15 12:02:02 StyxAlso: are you running a zoo of some kind? Aug 15 12:02:06 or what's with all the animals? Aug 15 12:02:07 only difference is instead of instant death they come here and share the pain Aug 15 12:02:27 StyxAlso, I want to find a step-by-step tutorial Aug 15 12:02:52 lispghost: Adafruit's learning system is really good if you want your hand held Aug 15 12:02:57 I think a few BBB meme pics are in order soon Aug 15 12:03:10 now if I were a ringtail, I'd also be raging at being 'installed' on some board Aug 15 12:03:20 StyxAlso, oh,yes Aug 15 12:03:29 lispghost: http://learn.adafruit.com/category/beaglebone Aug 15 12:03:31 StyxAlso, but I got a problem Aug 15 12:04:00 StyxAlso, I only use C,so I must learn python or javascript Aug 15 12:04:15 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/198 Aug 15 12:04:38 StyxAlso, I run pip install Adafruit_BBIO failed Aug 15 12:05:18 it says Downloading/unpacking Adafruit-BBIO Aug 15 12:05:32 That sounds like a good start Aug 15 12:05:51 StyxAlso, but it should be the Adafruit_BBIO not the Adafruit-BBIO Aug 15 12:05:59 StyxAlso, how can I deal with it? Aug 15 12:06:03 * StyxAlso shrugs Aug 15 12:06:07 Afraid I don't know Aug 15 12:06:20 I was able to install that library quite easily using the Angstrom package Aug 15 12:06:26 I'd suggest you install it the same way Aug 15 12:07:40 * jackmitchell arghh! Aug 15 12:07:53 * jackmitchell remind me never to even think about dealing with lpapp again Aug 15 12:08:04 :) Aug 15 12:08:26 in soviet internet, lpapp deals with you Aug 15 12:08:41 I reckon he's in the same infuriating league as good old lukey Aug 15 12:09:25 Vaizki: I may well regret asking this, but what do you think would prepare people for working with embedded Linux? Aug 15 12:10:27 well first of all knowing linux Aug 15 12:10:48 Haha, always a good start Aug 15 12:11:00 easy: googlew Aug 15 12:11:03 -w Aug 15 12:11:08 you'd think that wouldn't you Aug 15 12:11:28 that people who buy a BBB would at least know how dd and tar work or how to partition disks Aug 15 12:11:48 no Aug 15 12:11:55 Vaizki: you cannot assume people know that Aug 15 12:12:02 Reminds me of one of the funniest bash.org conversations I ever saw. "Helper: You need to learn how to figure things out for yourself. Questioner: How do I do that?" Aug 15 12:12:25 even on desktop linux you dont need to know that Aug 15 12:12:32 but that is not the problem Aug 15 12:12:48 its when being told "use dd and tar" to immediately ask back: "what is dd and tar" Aug 15 12:12:50 av500, ok well that's true. but they come on the channel saying "I want to build Linux from scratch on the BBB and use it to control my car's electronic ignition and worldwide weather" .. and they have not used Linux beyond Ubuntu desktop Aug 15 12:12:57 right Aug 15 12:13:12 hello everybody! Does anyone knows about the current status of development of FreeBSD or NetBSD? I need to use SPI, I2C and GPIO for a custom circuit I am designing…thank you Aug 15 12:13:23 how about OpenBSD? Aug 15 12:13:24 you're welcome Aug 15 12:13:36 OpenBSD welcome too Aug 15 12:13:39 let's leave PC-BSD out Aug 15 12:14:01 I just need to know which one has got drivers working with SPI, I2C and GPIO..if any Aug 15 12:14:11 hmm, does OpenBSD have "free" "net"? Aug 15 12:14:23 is NetBSB free and open? Aug 15 12:14:31 yes sure Aug 15 12:23:52 any reason why you have to use a BSD= Aug 15 12:24:17 not that I want an OS fight, just wondering :) Aug 15 12:24:42 just because BSD is my preferred OS Aug 15 12:25:00 I was working with linux since 2001…now I switched Aug 15 12:25:11 it is just my personal choice Aug 15 12:25:11 peak linux Aug 15 12:25:39 at the current rate, Minix will have more BBB drivers than BSD... Aug 15 12:26:55 seaman, yea just wondering because there must be 100x the effort on Linux kernel for BBB vs FreeBSD Aug 15 12:47:54 rofl folks are working on BSD for the sitara I take it? Aug 15 12:47:57 or was that a joke? Aug 15 12:55:58 Spirilis: I bet some people felt like that about Linux years ago.. :) Aug 15 12:56:30 but yes I'm sure there's a *BSD kernel for am335x Aug 15 12:59:12 hehe Aug 15 12:59:13 no doubt Aug 15 13:04:06 there's someone workin on freebsd for bone Aug 15 13:13:08 There's a OpenBSD port for it too. I believe the mmc-parts are still missing though. But since a few weeks there are snapshots built for it to test easily. Aug 15 13:13:19 http://www.openbsd.org/beagle.html Aug 15 13:20:24 splendid Aug 15 13:22:49 Yes, quite :) Aug 15 13:34:10 does beaglebone supprt qnx?? Aug 15 13:34:40 you mean, does qnx support the beaglebone? If so, check there website, I would be inclined to say no. Aug 15 13:34:49 if yes then which flavour?? Aug 15 13:35:04 Probably the one for ARM. Aug 15 13:35:57 so you mean beaglebone can not be flashed with qnx os?? Aug 15 13:36:18 Who said that? Aug 15 13:36:31 i am asking it Aug 15 13:36:50 From what I have heard, QNX runs fine. What research did you do before coming here? Aug 15 13:37:05 I suggest checking the QNX website for starters. Aug 15 13:37:13 kk tnx Aug 15 13:40:35 Jacmet, blaaaaah! ping Aug 15 13:47:50 MicrosoftEmbedded, formerly known as QNX Aug 15 13:55:32 can you give me a img smaller? Aug 15 13:56:50 can you read? Aug 15 13:57:00 we answered that question already Aug 15 13:57:19 Jacmet, nm, unfun inherited from the TI repo (ba-dum-bump) Aug 15 13:59:06 hm? Aug 15 13:59:38 [12:12:20] I see 4GB SD and 2GB emmc images Aug 15 13:59:40 [12:12:25] damnn i wish i could wire C for the PRUs Aug 15 13:59:41 [12:12:40] I dont see a 4GB emmc image advertised Aug 15 13:59:43 [12:12:41] ASM is one troublesome beast for me Aug 15 13:59:44 [12:12:54] so yes, the 4GB image will not fit the 2GB emmc Aug 15 14:00:40 oh Aug 15 14:00:43 thank you Aug 15 14:00:50 you're welcome Aug 15 14:00:52 so Aug 15 14:00:56 use the 2GB for emmc Aug 15 14:00:59 or the 4GB for SD Aug 15 14:01:21 ok,now I installed Debian on my board Aug 15 14:02:06 escapist Aug 15 14:02:09 but my /sys/kernel/debug folder is empty Aug 15 14:02:31 debugfs needs to be mounted Aug 15 14:02:45 debugfs? Aug 15 14:03:34 let me have a try Aug 15 14:10:07 av500, I mount debugfs but there isnot a file called gpmc_ad0 Aug 15 14:10:27 with what kernel? Aug 15 14:11:02 I assume you're trying to pinmux with debugfs on a 3.8 kernel? Aug 15 14:11:12 yes Aug 15 14:11:18 it's not going to work. Aug 15 14:11:24 why? Aug 15 14:11:35 3.8 kernel uses a new mechanism called device tree to do pinmuxing Aug 15 14:11:43 the debugfs mechanism is removed Aug 15 14:11:43 oh,yes Aug 15 14:11:52 I remember Aug 15 14:12:04 I read an old tutorial Aug 15 14:12:17 Got to read the new tutorials. ;-P Aug 15 14:12:26 yes, it's a general internet<->pace of technology problem Aug 15 14:12:45 watch youtube Aug 15 14:13:00 how? Aug 15 14:13:06 is there a video that explains it? Aug 15 14:13:13 i hope there is Aug 15 14:13:23 lispghost: if you read an old tutorial, and it doesn't say at the top *FOR 3.2*, please email the author and tell him to add that important bit of information Aug 15 14:13:27 but i guess you can ask one of your high-tech friends Aug 15 14:13:42 KotH: they are all on the internet Aug 15 14:13:46 how do I access that? Aug 15 14:14:06 exact steps to watching youtube: Aug 15 14:14:16 1) put on trousers Aug 15 14:14:28 jackmitchell, ok,I will Aug 15 14:14:33 2) ensure they're the right way round Aug 15 14:16:58 oh my special javascript board Aug 15 14:25:16 Hi there. Any thoughts on powering the BBB over USB ? Is it for test purposes only? I'd like to power it over USB, and attach a small WiFi adapter Aug 15 14:25:36 So long as you draw less than 500mA, that will work fine. Aug 15 14:25:45 OK super. Aug 15 14:25:51 The TPS chip on the bone limits you to 500mA on USB. Aug 15 14:26:04 Keep in mind, this means not running the bone's processor at full speed. Aug 15 14:26:17 Ah ok, but that should be fine. Aug 15 14:26:30 Any tips on figuring out how much USB devices draw? Aug 15 14:26:36 And you might have issues with the WiFi dongle as well--try it and see. Aug 15 14:26:43 Sure, measure it. ;-P Aug 15 14:27:04 you can draw more than 500mA Aug 15 14:27:12 the PMIC allows up to 1.2A from USB Aug 15 14:27:17 if you set it up like that Aug 15 14:27:21 and your USB port can deliver that Aug 15 14:27:25 Is that so. Aug 15 14:27:30 Interesting. Aug 15 14:27:34 OK, out of the box it is set to 500mA. Aug 15 14:27:51 But yes, you can send it commands over I2C to adjust that limit. Aug 15 14:28:07 not sure Aug 15 14:28:11 I have a multimeter, and took first year physics at university - but that was some time ago. Could you point me to a tutorial or something to learn how to measure the draw? Aug 15 14:28:15 it might have been increased in stock angstrom Aug 15 14:28:22 I had issues to boot from 500mA setting Aug 15 14:28:31 narcos: YOu literally put the meter in series with the device. Aug 15 14:28:35 narcos: the draw is "bursty" Aug 15 14:28:46 I'm not sure you will measure something sensible Aug 15 14:29:05 narcos: Or, for something like a WiFi dongle, look at the transmit power--that power has to come from the USB port, which is 5VDC nominal. Aug 15 14:29:11 Simple division gives the current. Aug 15 14:29:40 And add 20% because recieve also eats power, and radios are not 100% efficient. Aug 15 14:30:12 and add another 100% for peak power consumption Aug 15 14:30:30 and 100% for random guessing on that cheap multimeter Aug 15 14:31:00 * agmlego does not know about you guys, but he uses a pretty nice benchmount FLuke for these measurements. Aug 15 14:31:43 agmlego, av500: OK I'll give it a go, thank you Aug 15 14:32:07 narcos: Best of luck. Aug 15 14:32:19 :) Aug 15 14:32:26 agmlego: a DMM is still nothing but a guessometer Aug 15 14:32:34 I wish the BBB had two USB ports. Aug 15 14:32:40 KotH: Really. Aug 15 14:32:53 narcos: So build one that has that. It is OSHW. Aug 15 14:32:59 KotH: a *digital* guessometer Aug 15 14:32:59 Oh? Aug 15 14:33:07 * narcos didn't know hardware could be OS Aug 15 14:33:17 * SpeedEvil needs to sell his proper USB ammeter. Aug 15 14:33:19 ( I'm assuming that acronym is Open Source Hardware ) Aug 15 14:33:24 narcos: Yup. All the board files are freely available--just roll your own with an onboard USB hub chip and a secon USB connector. Aug 15 14:33:36 or just buy a $5 hub Aug 15 14:33:41 Or that. Aug 15 14:33:46 av500: no hack value! Aug 15 14:33:53 hack a $5 hub then Aug 15 14:33:59 agmlego: That's super interesting. Aug 15 14:34:08 A nice averaging current meter with a 1s, 10s, or 30s average. Aug 15 14:34:08 av500: I need to keep hardware super small Aug 15 14:34:51 narcos: hire us, we do super small hardware Aug 15 14:34:57 agmlego: Could you expand on "baord files are freely available" ? You mean the schematics? Where/how would I start? Aug 15 14:35:10 KotH: Cool, who are you? :) Aug 15 14:35:13 Or, your company? Aug 15 14:35:59 SpeedEvil: a burst shorter than 1s can still cause the PMIC to give up I guess Aug 15 14:36:04 or your host USB port Aug 15 14:37:03 av500: There is a peak mode too Aug 15 14:37:04 narcos: As in, the EAGLE source files,. schematic and bopard layout, are available on beaglebone.org for free download. Open them up in EAGLE, and modify as usual. Aug 15 14:37:29 SpeedEvil: What kind of frequency? Aug 15 14:37:42 agmlego: ? Aug 15 14:37:58 SpeedEvil: YOu say it does "peak"--how fast of a peak can it see? Aug 15 14:38:03 Oh. Aug 15 14:38:11 I'd guess of the order of 10us. Aug 15 14:38:18 I don't remember the exact values Aug 15 14:38:29 Hmm...too slow then. Thanks anyway! Aug 15 14:44:15 agmlego: I haven't heard of EAGLE before, guess I'm a software guy. This is really interesting. Aug 15 14:46:01 CadSoft EAGLE is one of the leading PCB design software packages in the hobbyist community. Aug 15 14:46:19 Large footprint selection, pretty easy to use, free for small, non-commercial boards. Aug 15 14:46:25 And reasonable upgrade prices. Aug 15 14:46:49 but no 1N4007 :) Aug 15 14:47:04 nor a fucking 6.35mm jack Aug 15 14:47:06 av500: YOu could always just add one. Aug 15 14:47:11 I know Aug 15 14:47:21 agmlego: I feel like I've discovered a whole new world of geekery. Aug 15 14:47:29 Heh. Aug 15 14:47:34 Welcome to the dark side. Aug 15 14:48:03 narcos: we all run our own hot-rodded BBBs here, mine is a pink PCB with sparkles and gold plated resistors Aug 15 14:48:45 av500: It's been a while since I literally "LOL'd" :-) Aug 15 14:48:55 No wait Aug 15 14:49:06 Literally "L'd" Aug 15 14:49:16 * narcos stops trying to be clever. Aug 15 14:49:51 I think he is in a di=fferent channel. Aug 15 14:50:30 I have 8 BBBs running here, purring away. Aug 15 14:54:03 agmlego: If you care about 10us spikes, you're doing USB wrong Aug 15 14:54:19 SpeedEvil: Oh, I was thinking beyond USB. Aug 15 14:54:27 Ah Aug 15 14:54:39 Because most of what I do is not USB. Aug 15 14:55:11 * agmlego works in industrial automation machine vision, typically with moderate framerates on gigabit Ethernet cameras. Aug 15 14:55:27 So I care about ~10ns resoluion on my triggering lines. Aug 15 14:56:13 This was _very_ simple - little more than a LM324 and some passives Aug 15 14:56:24 Oh, I see. Aug 15 14:58:10 agmlego which cam has gigabit ethernet? Aug 15 14:58:51 woglinde: Nearly everything Allied Vision Technologies sells, and much of what Basler sells. Aug 15 14:59:07 And, you know, every other gigabit Ethernet industrial camera. ;-P Aug 15 14:59:23 :) Aug 15 14:59:26 agmlego hm my basler has no gigabit Aug 15 14:59:26 Hell, many of themm have *two* bonded gige ports. Aug 15 14:59:32 woglinde: you need to read more trade magazines Aug 15 14:59:33 but it is a bit older now Aug 15 14:59:40 woglinde: You need a better Basler camera then. I like the ace series. Aug 15 14:59:52 alibaba and the 40th chinese thiefs Aug 15 15:00:39 Do you know how accurate a location fix we can get from just cell towers? Aug 15 15:00:56 o.O Aug 15 15:01:04 ask the nsa Aug 15 15:01:08 narcos: Pretty good. Aug 15 15:01:18 Depends on your receiver sensitivity. Aug 15 15:01:21 depends on where you are Aug 15 15:02:09 you obviously need multiple towers in range to get any kind of accuracy Aug 15 15:03:16 OK cool Aug 15 15:03:21 Maybe I don't need a GPS device then Aug 15 15:03:41 if you know the place you left them you do not need one Aug 15 15:03:53 +where Aug 15 15:03:54 narcos: you need to get to the data Aug 15 15:04:05 the telco has it Aug 15 15:04:11 not you Aug 15 15:04:11 narcos: Are you putting in an SDR or something? Aug 15 15:04:31 A typical cell modem will not give you RF data accurate enough for positioning. Aug 15 15:04:47 GPS is probably the easier route here. ;-P Aug 15 15:06:06 agmlego: OK - GPS it is. I'm playing with SDR actually, but not directly related to this. Aug 15 15:07:02 Now, if you *also* had a cell modem, you could improve cold-start time by downloading the almanac for your area through that. Aug 15 15:07:03 agmlego: what kind of data do they give out? Aug 15 15:07:09 av500: Eh? Aug 15 15:07:25 "typical cell modem" Aug 15 15:07:33 wrt positioning Aug 15 15:08:02 Oh. The ones I have played with do not provide information on the RSSI of individual towers, nor the geo location thereof. Aug 15 15:08:11 right Aug 15 15:08:13 THus, noit enopugh information to do location. Aug 15 15:08:14 stations and rssi value Aug 15 15:08:43 I dont think the geo location is even sent to the device Aug 15 15:08:49 than you can use trilateration or trilatrion to get position Aug 15 15:08:55 woglinde: yes Aug 15 15:08:57 Now, there is probably a database somewhere you could query to get station geo location, but you still need a station ID and RSSI. Aug 15 15:09:01 problem is the rssi value depends on weather Aug 15 15:09:06 and obstacles Aug 15 15:09:17 Sure, which means it is less accurate than GPS. Aug 15 15:09:18 you can assume the weather at all towers the same :) Aug 15 15:09:23 But it might be good enough. Aug 15 15:09:31 Interesting, but seems complicated over just getting a GPS unit :) Aug 15 15:09:40 av500 rain influeneces the rssi value on the same postion Aug 15 15:09:46 av500: Not necessarily--in cities, sure, but as you get into rural areas, the towers may be separated by 30 miles. Aug 15 15:09:56 narcos: Hence my comment. Aug 15 15:09:57 so one day you get 10 on anther you get 5 or 4 Aug 15 15:10:07 I meant relative Aug 15 15:10:10 but yes Aug 15 15:10:15 my master thesis was usefull for something Aug 15 15:10:17 its highly inaccurate Aug 15 15:10:24 woglinde: url? Aug 15 15:10:24 woglinde: Triangulation will be based on relative powers anyway. Aug 15 15:10:28 even to see magicmap bitrotten Aug 15 15:10:42 \o/ free Intel T-shirts Aug 15 15:10:55 av500 I meant I only learned the basics Aug 15 15:11:16 av500 and was about wifi stuff Aug 15 15:11:57 cant start any of my OS. i have ubuntu, angstroem and debian on micro sd but none starts . i put in login and pwd but then i got a command line like ubuntu@arm$. can anybody help? Aug 15 15:12:00 http://www.magicmap.de/ is here Aug 15 15:12:11 lol Aug 15 15:12:21 guest__: That is a shell, the OS is started ans running. Aug 15 15:12:40 agmlego: Yeah, gotcha, I'll GPS it Aug 15 15:12:46 that was a nice troll atempt Aug 15 15:13:18 ans? yes i wanted a linux os with desktop of sure. wrong image? Aug 15 15:13:23 woglinde: shut up and take my money! :) Aug 15 15:13:38 koth which money? Aug 15 15:13:44 guest__: Are you looking at this through an SSH prompt, or a serial connection, or HDMI? Aug 15 15:13:47 woglinde: swiss money Aug 15 15:13:55 ubs? Aug 15 15:13:57 no thanks Aug 15 15:14:37 help my os is not up but I can login Aug 15 15:14:40 to agmlego: hdmi i get a promt on screen after login Aug 15 15:15:04 guest__: And did you try running the command startx? Aug 15 15:16:09 startx is the command i have tot ype? i tried something with network local or a ip Aug 15 15:16:40 Yes, literally type the six characters startx, and hit the Enter key. Aug 15 15:17:02 or the return key :) Aug 15 15:17:25 ok i will try thanks. i did hit the return key several times.... Aug 15 15:17:47 try it 10 times Aug 15 15:17:48 without starty, empty promt Aug 15 15:17:50 will help Aug 15 15:18:03 woglinde: what's wrong with ubs money? Aug 15 15:18:10 woglinde: it's not like it smells or something Aug 15 15:18:24 guest__: Ignore woglinde. Aug 15 15:18:34 guest__: Just run startx and tell me what you see. Aug 15 15:19:57 to agmlego no success: no command found is the message Aug 15 15:20:15 *g* Aug 15 15:20:37 guest__: Get an image that has a desktop environment then. Aug 15 15:21:04 woglinde: its broken: http://wiki.informatik.hu-berlin.de/nomads/index.php/MagicMap_Team Aug 15 15:21:16 av500 I say its bit rotting Aug 15 15:21:20 ah Aug 15 15:21:21 and thats a pitty Aug 15 15:21:37 aha but angstroem is the build in os with desktop? Aug 15 15:21:38 but thats it with reasearch projects Aug 15 15:21:44 after the funding is over Aug 15 15:21:51 or the prof left Aug 15 15:22:10 i deleted the original os with something Aug 15 15:22:37 guest__: Many distributions have desktops. You ended up with an image of one without. So go the beagleboard.org, and download the default Angstrom image. Aug 15 15:23:04 i built a custom image which "didn't boot", after connecting a serial cable, i noticed that the .dtb files from /boot/ were missing Aug 15 15:23:16 aren't they included in an image by default? Aug 15 15:23:36 freinhard what you mean with custom image? Aug 15 15:23:46 i bitbake'd one Aug 15 15:24:04 ah Aug 15 15:24:07 basically a systemd-image with some additional packages Aug 15 15:24:57 i grabbed the eMMC flasher image and replaced MLO, u-boot.img and the rootfs with my files and let it run Aug 15 15:25:12 hm did not need dt stuff yet so I did not looked up how is it handled in oe Aug 15 15:25:34 and the kernel? Aug 15 15:27:12 freinhard: for testing images, you dont need to flash Aug 15 15:27:18 just boot from SD Aug 15 15:27:22 takes less time Aug 15 15:27:41 remove MLO on emmc and it will boot from SD Aug 15 15:29:02 cant onnect to system bus is ubuntu system message Aug 15 15:29:05 av500: i would have, but i havent found a good complete howto on that. so i figured doing it that way is easier Aug 15 15:29:26 hmm Aug 15 15:30:09 did you replace the rootfs on the SD or the to-be-flahsed rootfs? Aug 15 15:30:23 yes, and MLO and u-boot.img Aug 15 15:31:05 yes what? Aug 15 15:31:20 why replacing MLO and u-boot? Aug 15 15:31:39 kernel and rootfs is what matters Aug 15 15:32:07 but that rootfs didn't ship the av500 yes i replaced the rootfs.tar.gz on the SD to be flashed to the emmc Aug 15 15:32:25 woglinde: bitbake produced all that, so why not? Aug 15 15:32:49 i 'm just wondering why that produces a 3.2.28 kernel and the flasher image ships a 3.8.13 Aug 15 15:33:00 *g* Aug 15 15:33:20 layer fragmenting Aug 15 15:34:10 freinhard: so, if you replace the actual rootfs on the card instead Aug 15 15:34:17 you will boot your image from SD Aug 15 15:34:22 and no pesky flashing Aug 15 15:34:28 like god intented the BBB to be used Aug 15 15:34:37 *g* Aug 15 15:35:19 av500: if i would do, i'd have the same problem as before. the am335x-boneblack.dtb file is missing Aug 15 15:35:49 sure Aug 15 15:35:57 and why do the instructions on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom produce some outdated kernel? Aug 15 15:35:58 but it would take you 45min less to find out :) Aug 15 15:36:12 av500: flashing the systemd-image takes less than 5 Aug 15 15:36:20 ah Aug 15 15:36:48 it's some systemd magic and copying the getting started stuff that takes most of the time Aug 15 15:37:10 so, next step: how to get a 3.8 kernel? Aug 15 15:37:44 freinhard use this layer Aug 15 15:37:45 https://github.com/beagleboard/meta-beagleboard Aug 15 15:37:48 woglinde: no Aug 15 15:37:50 woglinde: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Aug 15 15:38:01 people are too stupid to figure out single layers Aug 15 15:38:48 koen hm why not? Aug 15 15:38:50 koen: i did that, but probably the pinned commit of that repository is to old? Aug 15 15:38:56 which is the correct layer now? Aug 15 15:39:02 woglinde: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom Aug 15 15:39:07 woglinde: that's all you need to know Aug 15 15:39:33 freinhard: it's what I use and it gives me a 3.8 kernel Aug 15 15:39:46 no bone example Aug 15 15:39:51 maybee he build beagleboard Aug 15 15:40:26 maybe i missed something, i'll just recompile from scratch Aug 15 15:45:12 github down? Aug 15 15:45:46 http://isup.me/github.com Aug 15 15:45:49 Looks like it. Aug 15 15:45:57 nsa is adding backdoors Aug 15 15:46:02 should be back up soon Aug 15 15:50:40 be careful what you upload inside of your git repos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxNfTPtTr58 Aug 15 15:50:46 since NSA got 140TB/pearson on earth, why don't the sell this as a backup service? Aug 15 16:00:53 That seems like a false statistic Aug 15 16:04:04 SpeedEvil: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/nsa-to-store-yottabytes-in-utah-data-centre-49304118/ Aug 15 16:10:37 why on earth would someone ddos github, wierd... Aug 15 16:10:56 is that what it was?? i thought i have some DNS issue Aug 15 16:11:23 https://status.github.com/messages Aug 15 16:12:12 hmm doesn't seem like a Ddos to me.. Aug 15 16:12:26 seems like problem within the filesystem clustering Aug 15 16:12:27 maybe a DR-DOS? Aug 15 16:12:33 or a QDOS? Aug 15 16:13:12 brimestone: most recent is the DDOS from 15:50 UTC, that is 23minutes ago Aug 15 16:13:12 this issues goes back July Aug 15 16:17:49 freinhard, watch Calc_'s video, then you'll understand Aug 15 16:18:04 Russ: just finished meanwhile :D Aug 15 16:30:23 freinhard: It's patently ridiculous. Compute 170TB storage cost. Say it's $10. Now, times 7 billion, that's $70 billion dollars. This is of the order ot 10* the NSA budget. Aug 15 16:32:25 does the maintainer of bonescript frequent here? Aug 15 16:36:28 yes Aug 15 16:36:39 assuming you mean jkridner? Aug 15 16:36:53 ? Aug 15 16:36:58 his git account is jadonk Aug 15 16:37:04 hello goge. I'm the maintainer for BoneScript. Aug 15 16:37:09 I am jadonk. Aug 15 16:37:19 Hello jkridner, nice to meet you. Aug 15 16:37:25 first off, Thanks! Aug 15 16:38:17 I really appreciate what must be a lot of work, blood, sweat, and tears. Aug 15 16:38:32 MACHINE=beagleboard or beaglebone? got a beaglebone black Aug 15 16:39:13 got confused because i found both here: http://feeds.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/v2012.12/ipk/eglibc/armv7a-vfp-neon/machine/ Aug 15 16:39:44 would be easier if the kernel support was already upstream. having the kernel interfaces change under the covers isn't fun. Aug 15 16:39:51 getting there. Aug 15 16:40:20 undoubtedly, seems to have broken a lot of stuff. Aug 15 16:40:28 I noticed you closed off an issue "Set mux on Kernel 3.8+" earlier today. Aug 15 16:40:34 node-serialport and node-i2c saved a lot of headaches. using gpio-keys to recreate attachInterrupt is next on the hit list. Aug 15 16:40:46 yup, just put in a fix for it last night. Aug 15 16:41:18 I sent an announcement on the alpha list with some limited instructions for trying it out. Aug 15 16:41:20 and just when I got my head around the DT Aug 15 16:41:30 I can forward if you msg me your e-mail address. Aug 15 16:42:41 thanks! Aug 15 16:45:51 so is attachInterrupt currently broken for 3.8+ ? Aug 15 16:48:26 it never really worked well. Aug 15 16:48:48 trying to dance around two event loops was a bad hack. Aug 15 16:49:25 with gpio-keys, I'll be able to avoid any missed events and even apply debouncing all while using node's primary event loop. Aug 15 16:50:02 right now, I fork a separate process to wait on the POLLPRI event then use that process to create a message that'll wake up the primary event loop. Aug 15 16:50:52 essentially, the gpio-keys driver will turn the pin into a keyboard. Aug 15 16:51:02 sounds super-efficient Aug 15 16:51:08 that sounds neat Aug 15 16:51:15 javascript at its best Aug 15 16:51:16 sounds like userspace. Aug 15 16:51:24 heh Aug 15 16:51:34 doesn't have anything to do with JavaScript. Aug 15 16:51:55 efficient == kernel driver Aug 15 16:52:17 (or PRU) Aug 15 16:52:50 ooh the PRU... maybe sometime I'll learn assembly... but not just yet. Aug 15 16:53:17 if someone makes a C compiler I might come back to it. Aug 15 16:54:37 im startign to toy with node.js some now myself but think ill be going a different direction. who knows though at some point ill possibly realize "hey dumbie something ( bonescript ) already exists Aug 15 16:54:56 just modprobe javascript ... do it the lennart way Aug 15 16:55:56 ill be using C/++ <-> node.js abstractively. e.g. C/C++ does all the heavy work and node will display it to the outside world Aug 15 16:56:22 idk still learnign so we'll see where i end up Aug 15 16:56:58 i just pulled the setup-scripts from github. this want's to checkout the danny branch. this branch does not exist on the github fork of meta-linaro but on git.linaro.org Aug 15 16:57:21 ogra_: can't wait to write init in javascript ;-) Aug 15 16:57:28 haha Aug 15 16:58:14 hmmm.... busybox Aug 15 16:58:24 koen: gihub blames you https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts/commit/66e40ddfe62f9f67263aaf82014e12b682351182 Aug 15 16:58:29 * jkridner dreams of other sins against humanity that could be accomplished in JavaScript Aug 15 17:00:42 if it works and works decently i say go for it Aug 15 17:06:44 javascript bootloader, javascript kernel, javascript drivers . . . hmmm Aug 15 17:08:44 koen: you pushed the dylan branch for meta-linaro to github, but the branch danny is pinned Aug 15 17:09:21 patches welcome ( im sure ) Aug 15 17:44:54 m_billybob: javascript vdhl Aug 15 17:49:22 aaaaaaaaargh Aug 15 17:53:40 question regarding load order of socket based interfaces probably through devicetree / capemgr . Using a BBB, with a can shield, dcan + 2spi based can, sometimes the dcan is can0 and the 2 spis are can1 can2, but there have been boots when dcan was assigned can1 and can0 was one of the spi based interfaces Aug 15 17:54:11 why would the load order, assignments, not be deterministic, and any thoughts on how to make it so? Aug 15 18:03:48 mru says aaaaaargh, I'm sure someone, somewhere, is saying badass rockstar tech Aug 15 18:04:02 new title? Aug 15 18:04:26 ? Aug 15 18:04:38 node.js has always been "badass rockstar tech" Aug 15 18:08:21 Russ: or maybe mru rather go for javascript verilog Aug 15 18:09:07 never understood why anyone would actually choose vhdl, unless they are the ocd type Aug 15 18:09:22 heh i have never done either Aug 15 18:09:32 have you done Ada95? Aug 15 18:09:35 no Aug 15 18:10:06 vhdl is the result of someone thinking ada95 was the way of the future or something Aug 15 18:11:00 Ada95 *is* the way of the future. Aug 15 18:14:29 how to see boot message on terminal using serial cable in beaglebone black similar to BB-xm? Aug 15 18:14:52 you need a 3.3V cable. Aug 15 18:15:24 http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeagleBone_Black_Serial Aug 15 18:16:11 can javascript help here? Aug 15 18:16:46 can we run command on terminal using this cable ? Aug 15 18:17:54 Tartarus: pong Aug 15 18:18:10 Tartarus: sorry about the latency, I'm on holidays Aug 15 18:18:15 Jacmet, your company was doing the ti816x work, yeah? Aug 15 18:18:17 and, no worries Aug 15 18:18:40 Tartarus: yes Aug 15 18:19:08 robort sure thats what serial is about Aug 15 18:19:25 Did Antoine leave? Aug 15 18:19:41 Tartarus: or rather, we are doing some ti816x based products, so I was interested in Antoine's work Aug 15 18:19:43 I think I got a bounce emailing him a while ago Aug 15 18:19:56 Ah Aug 15 18:19:59 Dang Aug 15 18:20:04 I'm taking the patches now'ish Aug 15 18:20:12 (doing some build testing, had to sync things up a bit again) Aug 15 18:20:18 Could use a boot test sanity check Aug 15 18:20:43 Tartarus: we is (was?) and intern at adeneo embedded, but I haven't heard from him in a while Aug 15 18:21:03 ah Aug 15 18:21:08 Tartarus: I'm only back at work Sep 1, but then I will be happy to test Aug 15 18:21:33 can we make this cable using simlpe USB and of BF-810 driver ?Because this wire look like normal USB .And I have driver CD of BF-810. Aug 15 18:21:37 mranostay: javascript in dt? Aug 15 18:21:40 Tartarus: I know some people at adeneo so I can check with them Aug 15 18:22:26 Tartarus: but only when I get back Aug 15 18:22:47 k, thanks Aug 15 18:23:33 Tartarus: you're welcome, and I'm happy to see the ti816x stuff integrated, thanks! Aug 15 18:23:46 .. and now back to the beach for me ;) Aug 15 18:23:54 jacmet have fun Aug 15 18:24:30 woglinde: I will ;) Aug 15 18:48:55 * djlewis considers the circuitco minnowboard . . . Aug 15 18:53:15 The stacking connectors on the capes, any suggestions how to solder these in low volume production? Aug 15 18:53:56 pay some students in beer Aug 15 18:54:12 slavery is an option as well Aug 15 18:54:49 djlewis: what would you use it for? Aug 15 18:55:31 dnil: don't let them drink while soldering though Aug 15 18:55:42 * mranostay kicks a beer to joel_ Aug 15 18:55:54 mranostay, I'll try to keep that in mind... Aug 15 18:56:34 mranostay: A beer or two before soldering, though, does wonders on removing shake. Aug 15 18:57:15 mranostay: thus the considering... Aug 15 18:57:36 mranostay, dude I know your plan, first get me drunk, then complain that I troll. I troll less when I'm sober Aug 15 18:58:35 agmlego, yes you'll be so high you wouldn't even feel your hand being burnt away Aug 15 18:59:39 Crofton|work, btw, about the other unmap issue, turned out I was unmapping the page after freeing it, making the page allocator upset Aug 15 18:59:52 so that's fixed Aug 15 19:00:58 joel_: You get _high_ from beer? Clearly, you have medical issues. COnsult a doctor. Aug 15 19:01:19 But seriously, a little depressant in your CNS steadies the hands a lot. Aug 15 19:01:30 joel_: nah you aren't a troll Aug 15 19:01:35 maybe he uses something else instead of hops when he brews it Aug 15 19:01:43 agmlego, sorry I drink less, I'd like to keep it that way Aug 15 19:01:57 joel_: YOu drink less than what? Aug 15 19:02:02 mranostay: Right? Aug 15 19:02:08 Er, mru Aug 15 19:02:17 agmlego: don't worry i drink enough for joel_ Aug 15 19:02:26 mranostay: Yay? Aug 15 19:02:26 hehe +1 Aug 15 19:02:27 hi Aug 15 19:02:44 mranostay: But, does your drinking steady joel_'s hands for him to solder? Aug 15 19:02:56 that would be creepy if it did Aug 15 19:03:21 is a 5 v / 1A source enough for the bbb ? Aug 15 19:03:23 I mean, how else is joel_ supposed to solder QFN and 0201 packages by hand? Aug 15 19:03:38 pre8: yes Aug 15 19:03:39 pre8: Yeah, but it is happier with 2A. Aug 15 19:03:52 Especially if you start trying to plug things into the USB port. Aug 15 19:04:12 ah ok thx . Aug 15 19:04:47 we will port glbasic to the beaglebone black ! Aug 15 19:04:57 Oh good. Aug 15 19:05:10 wtf is that, basic running on a gpu? Aug 15 19:06:27 3 dimensional basic Aug 15 19:06:54 multiple goto destinations in the same line? Aug 15 19:07:04 ok glbasic runs on win- osx-ios-android -linux -raspberry pi , but we are not happy with the rpi speed Aug 15 19:07:30 but yeah, sounds like BASIC for gamers as the website says Aug 15 19:07:51 so basic with opengl bindings? Aug 15 19:07:55 Are you compiling or interpreting the basic? Aug 15 19:07:57 pre8: yeah BBB's CPU is superior to the rpi, GPU isn't but I'd wonder how much that really matters for games et al Aug 15 19:08:09 Because one of these will get you performance and the other..will not? Aug 15 19:08:27 compiler Aug 15 19:08:27 I think I read the BBB's GPU is somewhat on part with the iphone 4's? or the GPU is of a similar family Aug 15 19:08:30 * mranostay eyes joel_'s liver Aug 15 19:08:44 what blood type are you by chance? :) Aug 15 19:08:45 eek Aug 15 19:09:11 a+ Aug 15 19:09:17 i read its the same as iphone 3gs Aug 15 19:09:26 ah, close enough :) Aug 15 19:09:30 pre8: what is? Aug 15 19:09:36 mranostay, are you planning some crazy cape idea now with livers? Aug 15 19:09:49 Biologically-powered beaglebone. Aug 15 19:10:01 Uses ATP to generate electricity. Aug 15 19:10:12 interesting. Aug 15 19:10:17 Feed it alcohol, water, and sugar. Aug 15 19:10:33 can you autoclave a beaglebone? :P Aug 15 19:10:41 Sure. Aug 15 19:11:46 joel_: cool i can use your blood too :P Aug 15 19:11:55 i like the gpio on bbb , so much pins ;) better as rpi Aug 15 19:12:14 hey hey wait, why my liver out of the 274 here Aug 15 19:12:49 ok ppls , thx for the info cua Aug 15 19:12:52 yours is probably the least damaged here :P Aug 15 19:13:18 ah... hehe. makes sense then Aug 15 19:13:36 * mranostay forgets if postive has antigens or not Aug 15 19:13:44 er antibodies i mean Aug 15 19:13:54 speaking of craziness, someone just showed me a mars chocolate bar with a glass water ontop of it, on Nasa's own website Aug 15 19:14:11 water on mars, eh? Aug 15 19:14:16 yeah Aug 15 19:14:18 totally Aug 15 19:14:40 http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap050401.html Aug 15 19:14:55 that's it Aug 15 19:15:03 that wasn't hard to find Aug 15 19:15:12 doesn't cost billions of dollars Aug 15 19:16:15 more money for beer now Aug 15 19:16:23 lol :) Aug 15 19:17:13 find oil on mars and it'll be colonized on tuesday Aug 15 19:17:17 now if they were to find beer on mars... Aug 15 19:17:33 it would go stale before you got there Aug 15 19:17:55 not if someone/something is actively brewing it Aug 15 19:18:19 or if it's bottled Aug 15 19:19:31 https://gist.github.com/aras-p/6224951 <-- friend sent me this Aug 15 19:19:45 is that the evil macro collection? Aug 15 19:21:11 hmm, tomorrow is my last day... Aug 15 19:21:42 whatever that means Aug 15 19:23:22 mru: last day? Aug 15 19:23:36 at Linaro and/or ARM? Aug 15 19:23:41 both Aug 15 19:24:59 where you going next? Aug 15 19:25:14 Linaro Engineer Grouphome - LEG Aug 15 19:26:02 mranostay: wherever there's money to be made Aug 15 19:26:28 see boot messages on BBB with this: http://www.amazon.com/PL2303HX-RS232-Cable-module-Converter/dp/B008AGDTA4 Aug 15 19:27:32 CalcBox: is that a question or a statement Aug 15 19:27:58 it doesn't have a question mark Aug 15 19:28:01 so it can't be a question Aug 15 19:28:06 and it doesn't have a semicolon Aug 15 19:28:10 so it's not a statement either Aug 15 19:29:10 hmm.. would it be a bad idea to put ntc's as temp probes into a BBQ smoker. . Aug 15 19:29:36 I got my first smoker today and I need to beagle it naturally Aug 15 19:30:29 Vaizki, http://www.igrillinc.com/ Aug 15 19:30:39 * joel_ thinks cpufreq in general does a horrible job of switching frequencies, with the ondemand governer Aug 15 19:30:39 :-) Aug 15 19:30:42 Vaizki: can we roast beagles? Aug 15 19:30:42 oh please Aug 15 19:31:02 dnil: I want to monitor temperature of the grill, not the beagle Aug 15 19:31:33 Vaizki: roasted beagle. Mmmm Aug 15 19:31:37 mranostay, you're in a very destructive mood today, roasting...livers...blood Aug 15 19:31:39 thermocouplers? Aug 15 19:32:25 mranostay: yea of course but I don't have them Aug 15 19:32:44 Vaizki: using the ADC? Aug 15 19:32:51 mranostay: speaking of cpufreq, what's this nonsense new 'x86 p-states' driver? Aug 15 19:33:22 mranostay: I still need the probes :) Aug 15 19:33:22 is really new? Aug 15 19:33:52 mru: p-states are pretty old, I'm suprised there's a _new_ driver. Updated??? Aug 15 19:34:03 added since the previous time I updated the kernel on my laptop Aug 15 19:34:17 Vaizki, seriously, temp sensing with precision is quite hard. What precision do you need? Aug 15 19:34:19 there's a new driver saying it's for sandy bridge and later cpus Aug 15 19:34:28 mru: ok, new _kernel config_ for some reason. Aug 15 19:35:07 dnil: a few degrees / percent? Aug 15 19:36:06 seckford: no, a new driver Aug 15 19:36:21 drivers/cpufreq/intel_pstate.c Aug 15 19:36:38 dnil: my first thought was pt100 probes.. might order them and forget the logging for now :) Aug 15 19:37:02 Vaziki: more difficult than it sounds because it's never clear exactly _which_ temp you are measuring, except perhaps for an on-chip cpu sensor. There's always some thermal resistance between the probe and what you want to check. Aug 15 19:37:20 of course Aug 15 19:37:36 basically I am dry bulb measuring humid air Aug 15 19:37:40 inside the BBQ Aug 15 19:38:51 Vaizki, to get any kind of precision with pt-100 you'd need an external measurement amplifier. Just hooking up to an ADC will be quite difficult Aug 15 19:38:53 Vaizki: in that case +/- 5 deg would be more than enough. Ever run a temperature check on a normal oven? And then there's the temperature distribution inside the smoker. Aug 15 19:39:21 Anyone out there have any experience with OE/Bitbake/Angstrom-Distribution setup-scripts? Specifically getting Qt 4.8.1 (default version in git master) working with the beablebone lcd7 cape. I'm working with a Beaglebone Black. Aug 15 19:39:25 well the smoker handily has ready made grommets for probes right below the grates Aug 15 19:39:39 rtfm Aug 15 19:40:14 I looked at the manual, thank you ... Aug 15 19:40:19 dnil: yea and I know I'd probably need an opamp and analog multiplexer at least to read 3-4 pt100 probes Aug 15 19:40:27 Vaiki: then that's the way to go. It won't give you the _cooking_ temperature, but it will allow comparisons between different runs. Aug 15 19:41:04 yes and also is comparable to other BBQ nuts posting their experiences online Aug 15 19:41:13 none of them will measure any better than I do.. Aug 15 19:41:27 cfo215_: you may be on your own - Angstrom seems curiously bloodstained for a major linux distribution. Aug 15 19:41:42 if I need to cook in a precise temp then I will use my lab circulator and a sous vide vacuum setup Aug 15 19:42:06 Vaizki, I've used Ni-1000 sensors for some projects, a bit easier than pt-100 and cheper Aug 15 19:42:08 actually there's 6kg of brisket in there right now Aug 15 19:42:17 *cheaper Aug 15 19:42:22 seckford: thanks.. I figured I'd start with that distro since it's what came on the BBB. I'm definately not married to it though. Aug 15 19:42:38 Vaizki, http://www.sensit.cz/en/sortiment/snimace-teploty-tr-160-161.php Aug 15 19:42:40 dnil: ok. I'll look them up Aug 15 19:43:36 training time! Aug 15 19:43:39 bbl Aug 15 19:43:43 I think it will need to withstand up to 200°C minimun and have a thin pointy probe to fit through the grommet Aug 15 19:43:51 similar to a kitchen digital temp meter Aug 15 19:44:01 cfo215_: I looked at it, and hastily looked away... It does what it's supposed to do, but rebuilding it was a pain, and I gave up after a brief attempt. Try one of Nelson's kernels/images on an SD card. Aug 15 19:44:18 Vaizki: be sure to make a cosm feed of it Aug 15 19:44:30 sure will Aug 15 19:44:37 I have my HVAC there already Aug 15 19:45:01 but cosm is going downhill it seems Aug 15 19:45:01 mranostay: COSM is now Xively, and pretty useless. Just as I'd got my feed working. Aug 15 19:45:10 Vaizki, Yes I understand you need a different style than TR-160. Aug 15 19:45:26 Just an example of an Ni-1000 sensor Aug 15 19:45:30 ok Aug 15 19:46:27 seckford: yeah i know Aug 15 19:46:42 damn my weather station went down again Aug 15 19:47:16 did the actual weather go down with it? Aug 15 19:47:32 boo! Aug 15 19:47:36 seckford: I would do that, but I have to really customize the build for my appliance to work as designed. I only need qt to run in framebuffer mode ($ application-name -qws) Aug 15 19:48:13 seckford: I can build a console image, but Qt isn't playing nice with the touch screen. Aug 15 19:48:20 cfo215_: you may find it easier to build/customise Debian rather than Angstrom - I certainly did. Aug 15 19:49:23 seckford: I'll look at that process. Thanks. Aug 15 19:49:25 cfo215_: your nearly there, then. Probably worth sticking with what you've got, but trying an SD card and Debian might be worth while. Aug 15 19:51:56 seckford: I'm trying to find which qmake.conf bitbake is using so I can be certain Qt is ./configure(d) with the -qt-mouse-tslib switch. Aug 15 19:53:02 cfo215_: way beyond me, though someone on the Beaglboard forum might know. Aug 15 19:53:35 seckford: I was hoping someone here had already been down this road and could give me some guidance. I'll post something on the boad. Aug 15 19:53:41 board... Aug 15 19:54:19 cfo215_, You can take a look here maybe: http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-qt/qt4 Aug 15 19:55:16 cfo215_, -qt-mouse-pc -qt-mouse-qvfb -qt-mouse-linuxinput appears to be set Aug 15 19:55:57 dnil: what do you think about using this? http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/01154a.pdf Aug 15 19:56:13 because I just realized I have at least one pt100 probe here somewhere Aug 15 19:56:54 Vaizki, Yes, I have used that appnote. It is OK for the precision you are looking for Aug 15 19:57:19 probably like 100x overkill in reality ;) Aug 15 19:58:07 Vaizki, Right, but so is anything related to using a BBB for controlling a smoker to begin with... Aug 15 19:58:22 sure Aug 15 19:59:20 right now I mostly want to a) log b) alarm Aug 15 19:59:24 not control Aug 15 20:00:40 Vaizki, This is also a good app note: http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/application_notes/AN709_0.pdf‎ Aug 15 20:01:03 Vaizki: it does sound like a fun project. Aug 15 20:02:12 dnil, ok.. microchip one looks more plug & play ;) Aug 15 20:03:15 Vaizki, Yes, but if you want to add something to your library of how to measure temp in a good way that app note from Analog is a good save Aug 15 20:04:01 BBB is overkill for sure, maybe I'll just put an arduino or something there.. :P Aug 15 20:04:18 msp430 maybe. but it would need a local display Aug 15 20:05:15 dnil: thanks I'll look at my source to make sure it's there. Aug 15 20:07:01 cfo215_, In qt4-4.8.5 I can see that the flag you are looking for is set. You can override this in an .bbappend file. How to do this is documented in the yocto manual. Aug 15 20:07:37 cfo215_, It is far from trivial. Rebuilding a .deb is likely much easier. Aug 15 20:13:32 Vaizki, Have fun with your project! And let me know how the gcc port for msp430 works in practice... Aug 15 20:13:41 dnil: seems like everything in oe/bb/yocto is "far from trivial"... but at least it built something... now I just have to get smart enough to tweek the recipe. Aug 15 20:16:32 cfo215_, It is intended for those who wants to build their own Linux distribution... Aug 15 20:17:35 dnil: yeah, I'm sick like that... I want to build my own... Aug 15 20:18:05 cfo215_, If you want to do it "right" you add your own layer and use a .bbappend file there Aug 15 20:20:57 dnil: thanks for the advice. I've been reading the Yocto docs/ OE Docs / BB docs and they are slowly sinking in.. Aug 15 20:22:31 hey guys? im getting error when trying to install mpu6050 via npm.... Aug 15 20:22:51 cfo215_, bitbake -e is your friend while debugging Aug 15 20:24:57 dnil how about bitbake -DDD ? Aug 15 20:26:30 woglinde, I suggested -e while working on bbappend files. Aug 15 20:26:48 I've found that useful Aug 15 20:27:29 dnil: -e is very verbose... i think i found the right recipe, have to read all the includes, etc. but I think it's called packagegroup-core-qt4e Aug 15 20:27:49 "Qt not for X11" from the bb file... Aug 15 20:28:47 cfo215_, Sounds reasonable, but I don't know the details of these package groups. Sorry Aug 15 20:28:52 mru: it was a statement, referencing an earlier message Aug 15 20:29:30 dnil: no worries. I figure when I stop learning new things, it's because my heart has stopped beating. Aug 15 20:30:06 I'll figure it out. Thank you everyone for your help. going back to the terminal now... Aug 15 20:33:10 is there a problem with npm? i can't seem to install anything Aug 15 20:36:21 on a BBB, what's the tall light brown thing next to the usb host port? is it just a cap? and why is it so high up on the board? Aug 15 20:37:19 koen: it would appear the angstrom-distro-devel list sopped working in July Aug 15 20:38:52 shodan45: or oscillator? Aug 15 20:39:34 hah! I remember the name "koen" from way back in the openzaurus days... I still have my SL-5500 :) Aug 15 20:40:10 shodan45, Look at the thread "What is the RT1 resistor for, and why is it's profile higher than the adjacent P9 connector?" on the mailing list Aug 15 20:40:54 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/beagleboard/beaglebone-black/sfzgBdgF2B4 Aug 15 20:42:10 hmm I just found one of these in my arduino box.. http://dx.com/p/8x-digital-tube-8x-key-8x-double-color-led-module-81873?utm_rid=68099021&utm_source=affiliate Aug 15 20:42:19 looks like a BBQ temp display to me Aug 15 20:43:40 dnil: I thought it might be some kind of protection device... interesting, thanks Aug 15 20:45:52 shodan45: what do you run on your SL-5500? Aug 15 20:46:16 ds2: dust ;) Aug 15 20:46:26 it's in a box somewhere Aug 15 20:46:47 oh Aug 15 20:46:48 I loved that little thing Aug 15 20:46:50 they were nice devices Aug 15 20:47:07 if they only had one with built in BT Aug 15 20:47:16 for the time, yes... compared to today's phones... not so much :) Aug 15 20:47:36 I'd not say that Aug 15 20:47:52 it is better then some of the lower end android phones... i.e. the ones they ship with Froyo Aug 15 20:49:07 now you have me thinking about hacking on it again... I'm much more into embedded linux stuff these days Aug 15 20:49:17 :D Aug 15 20:49:48 * shodan45 runs off to find it Aug 15 20:50:11 FRIDAY!!!!!! Aug 15 20:50:53 hello is there a media center as for raspberry pi available? i searched a tv and radio app for beagleboneblack and mp3 player Aug 15 20:50:53 go away weirdo Aug 15 20:51:33 * mranostay does the ds2 dance Aug 15 20:51:54 u2: for media stuff you may be better off _with_ an RPi - the BBB is better at embedded control. Aug 15 20:53:17 to seckford./ oh i sold the raspberry pi. but possible with ubuntu? i have a better system with a better browser now. Aug 15 20:54:20 av500: i think you need that for your kids: http://i.imgur.com/9Vgg8iS.jpg Aug 15 20:54:36 u2: you could build a media center, yes, based on Ubuntu for instance but I don't think there's one ready-made. Aug 15 20:55:49 could the github DDos has something to do with why i'm getting errors trying to install i2c? Aug 15 20:55:51 to seckfort:"the one for raspberry doesnt work, of course?! Aug 15 20:56:39 or i try ANDROID ?! Aug 15 20:57:05 u2: bbb is not a good media server Aug 15 20:57:30 there is no hardware acceleration like the BBB. Thats not what it was built for. Aug 15 20:58:01 u2: RPi won't work, but might be a basis. Android would probably work with a certain amount of hammering and cursing. The BBB doesn't at the moment have the apps that RPi has, so you're on your own. Aug 15 20:59:10 how about linux? Aug 15 20:59:29 mranostay: how _about_ linux! Aug 15 20:59:38 browser is better and its a litle bit faster...... i will try for other purposes Aug 15 21:00:19 seckford: I don't think 'apps' is the word you want to use there. Aug 15 21:01:13 jkridner: well, yes, it was. Apps in the sense that they are high-level user applications. Aug 15 21:02:07 bundles, perhaps. I agree that if you want media, you want Pi (or really one of any number of other low-cost media solutions that are more performant) and Black is better for embedded control/integration type stuff. Aug 15 21:02:17 or buy a amd based mini mainboard ? plus amd proc plus ram plus....also 50 euros Aug 15 21:02:40 I've only seen a handful of 'apps' for the R-Pi that wouldn't (or haven't already) been run just fine on a Black. Aug 15 21:02:44 jkridner: perhaps bundles is the word; it's not one I've ever used. Aug 15 21:03:04 I see lots of people putting together pre-configured setups, like RaspBMC, but that isn't really an 'app'. Aug 15 21:03:09 these are not the apps you are looking for Aug 15 21:03:10 XBMC is an app. Aug 15 21:03:23 raspberry-cape Aug 15 21:03:29 jkridner: no, I was thinking more of the media center that started the discussion. Aug 15 21:03:36 get the BBC or BBX for multimedia Aug 15 21:03:40 mranostay: you can desing and build raspberry-cape Aug 15 21:03:43 yes xmbc was the media center Aug 15 21:03:55 whats a BBC? Aug 15 21:04:06 mrpacket_: you mean http://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/15/breakout-boards/ ? Aug 15 21:04:08 british broadcasting corporation Aug 15 21:04:11 Beagle Board Classic Aug 15 21:04:12 mrpacket_: british broadcasting corporation Aug 15 21:04:31 mrpacket_: the British Broadcasting Corporation - good for radio and video. Aug 15 21:04:38 hey guys.. can anyone help me out with installing i2c.. http://pastebin.com/rWirSpcu Aug 15 21:04:42 jkridner: ohh hello, someones done it!!! Aug 15 21:06:02 installing i2c Aug 15 21:06:05 does anybody get sound out of hdmi to hifi via adapter? Aug 15 21:06:06 that is a new one Aug 15 21:06:18 mranostay: did it worked for you? Aug 15 21:07:11 i2c yes Aug 15 21:07:24 but node i rather kill myself :) Aug 15 21:07:24 what??? its erroring out for me.. Aug 15 21:07:30 lols.. Aug 15 21:07:42 i'm noob.. any guidance? Aug 15 21:08:42 im playing around with mpu6050.. Aug 15 21:08:55 i got i2cdump working.. Aug 15 21:09:30 soundcard available for bbb?usb? Aug 15 21:11:22 anybody able to put windows xp on BBB? Aug 15 21:11:22 stop using those mpu6050 crap Aug 15 21:11:40 they are not linux friendy and are not documented Aug 15 21:11:40 u2: there's an audio cape but I don't know if it works with the black. Aug 15 21:11:54 which one would i get? Aug 15 21:13:04 The audio cape is not yet compatible with the BBB "out of the box". I have posted patches for the kernel on the mailing list, but those are hacks. Aug 15 21:13:32 TI is working on a proper solution, it is related to fixing HDMI support in a better way Aug 15 21:14:50 as in chucking HDMI? ;) Aug 15 21:15:00 hdmi is useless for me Aug 15 21:15:21 effing thing takes all the pinmuxs anyway Aug 15 21:15:46 As in using dt in a proper way. But yeah, I don't know what to use it for myself either Aug 15 21:16:44 mranostay: SPI displays FTW! Aug 15 21:17:03 heh Aug 15 21:17:11 jkridner: with javascript! Aug 15 21:17:19 naturally Aug 15 21:17:31 hmpf this display module doesn't respond.. did I get a doa from dx :) Aug 15 21:17:32 javascript is unnatural Aug 15 21:17:38 i wish spi displays were as cheap as usual 44780s Aug 15 21:17:41 * mranostay beats jkridner with a javascript manual Aug 15 21:17:51 spi displays are as cheap as 44780's Aug 15 21:17:54 the thin one, I hope. Aug 15 21:18:04 ds2: i can get 5 for $10?? Aug 15 21:18:08 same with i2c Aug 15 21:18:12 audio cape is workign ok for me Aug 15 21:18:13 no there no good part of javascript :) Aug 15 21:18:15 *parts Aug 15 21:18:21 JFK911: you can pull them out of things for free Aug 15 21:18:23 hmmm yes java is also available but i didnt find an image. Aug 15 21:18:26 but i dot' know what josh did to make it work Aug 15 21:18:35 mranostay: curly brace hater! Aug 15 21:18:36 ds2: im usually finding the 4 bit 44780 interface inside junk Aug 15 21:18:46 and i've harvested those before the costs came down Aug 15 21:19:02 ds2: seems to be document enough.. http://www.i2cdevlib.com/devices/mpu6050#registers Aug 15 21:19:24 brimestone: if you think that is sufficient documentation, go for it. enjoy Aug 15 21:19:35 mrpacket_, Audio working on a black with HDMI enabled? Aug 15 21:19:42 the MPU's have a microcontroller inside it Aug 15 21:19:59 it can switch i2c buses around and do other funny stuff Aug 15 21:20:24 JFK911: you are not looking at the right junk... if you can do i2c, there is always those Nokia ones Aug 15 21:20:39 even new in quantity, those spi displays are dirt cheap Aug 15 21:20:52 hehehehe Aug 15 21:20:56 I'd not want to touch them evne with a 30ft pole but... Aug 15 21:20:56 ds2: ive actually got one of those displays but its in my daily use telephone. Aug 15 21:21:01 i knew you are going to say that Aug 15 21:21:22 Vaizki, at $6.99 you wouldn't expect a DOA from DX now would you? Aug 15 21:21:44 the trunk version of angstrom builds 2012.12, do i need to checkout another branch for a beaglebone black? Aug 15 21:21:52 Also I dont like to fiddle with drawing my own fonts etc Aug 15 21:21:58 im still just wanting to show text Aug 15 21:22:05 ds2: which Gyro is linux friendly? Aug 15 21:22:07 text is overrated Aug 15 21:22:36 todays evil https://gist.github.com/aras-p/6224951 Aug 15 21:22:42 brimestone: the ST ones are reasonably well documented for example Aug 15 21:22:52 is everybody going to post a link to that? Aug 15 21:23:16 and most of those are too obvious Aug 15 21:24:04 oh, it was funny Aug 15 21:24:29 it must be doing the rounds Aug 15 21:24:31 if you want to be truly evil, arrange for TRUE to be defined sometimes as 1, sometimes as 2 Aug 15 21:24:42 forutnatly i only hire good folks Aug 15 21:24:43 :-) Aug 15 21:24:45 the ST MEMs gyro/// Aug 15 21:24:53 and wait for someone to compare a value explicitly against TRUE Aug 15 21:25:03 with mismatching definitions Aug 15 21:25:17 I've actually seen breakage similar to that Aug 15 21:25:36 some idiots had typedeffed bool as int in one header and char in another Aug 15 21:25:56 and then someone passed a pointer to one Aug 15 21:26:15 oh yes, that was fun to debug Aug 15 21:26:42 silly question Aug 15 21:26:52 why do americans have a love affair with cheques Aug 15 21:26:58 mru: generally T and F should be treated as booleans, with the only operations set, clear and test. Aug 15 21:27:06 mrpacket_: that's a bloody good question Aug 15 21:27:28 In NZ, personal cheques will be no longer mid next year Aug 15 21:27:31 mrpacket_: especially since they can't even spell them Aug 15 21:27:32 *yawn* Aug 15 21:27:37 and business cheques are a year later Aug 15 21:27:55 our business has been going for 5.5 years Aug 15 21:28:02 and we have a cheque book Aug 15 21:28:06 more fun is to have different definitions of struct for different .o's that get linked together :D Aug 15 21:28:20 i just looked. we have written 3 paper cheques Aug 15 21:28:27 in that time. Aug 15 21:28:45 ds2: same problem Aug 15 21:28:47 mrpacket_: what would you non americans use in place of checks? Aug 15 21:28:55 its all electronic Aug 15 21:28:56 wire transfer Aug 15 21:28:58 mru: structs are harder to find Aug 15 21:29:08 it costs about $50 to send a wire transfer Aug 15 21:29:11 and maybe another $50 to receive it Aug 15 21:29:20 we have nearly real time domestic transfers between banks Aug 15 21:29:26 same here Aug 15 21:29:27 and those cost 0.25c Aug 15 21:29:31 for free Aug 15 21:29:44 does that explain why americans do checks? :D Aug 15 21:29:48 no Aug 15 21:29:51 mru: nothing with banks is free. they would have charged you somewhere Aug 15 21:29:54 it is cheaper to do a EFT then a Wire here Aug 15 21:30:10 mrpacket_: not true Aug 15 21:30:14 there is no account fee Aug 15 21:30:24 mru: how much money do you have in the account? Aug 15 21:30:28 no account fee, no deposit fee, no transfer fee, no atm fee Aug 15 21:30:32 mrpacket_: which account? Aug 15 21:30:37 Vaizki: yep, same here Aug 15 21:30:38 the free one Aug 15 21:30:39 :-) Aug 15 21:30:43 <_av500_> ds2: does a wire transfer in the US also have the price of the actual wire included? Aug 15 21:30:48 mrpacket_: I have multiple Aug 15 21:30:56 some of them even accrue interest Aug 15 21:31:03 anyway, free or 0.25c doe'snt matter Aug 15 21:31:07 its "cheap" Aug 15 21:31:11 <_av500_> yes Aug 15 21:31:25 so, price to do it electornicsly is not the reason Aug 15 21:31:33 theres still some love affair with cheques Aug 15 21:31:35 _av500_: no Aug 15 21:31:45 the bank clearly makes money by using my deposits in various evil ways Aug 15 21:31:46 <_av500_> the only use I had for cheques was to buy e.g. used cars Aug 15 21:32:02 <_av500_> coz each one was gauranteed DM400 Aug 15 21:32:16 there are checks then there are MO Aug 15 21:32:25 waht is DM400? Aug 15 21:32:35 how many USD is 1 DM? Aug 15 21:32:35 <_av500_> german mark Aug 15 21:32:40 deutschmarks Aug 15 21:32:47 <_av500_> 2DM arew now 1€ Aug 15 21:33:08 thats a bit of long term history Aug 15 21:33:13 _av500_: don't lie! 2DM are now 2eur! Aug 15 21:33:14 <_av500_> yes Aug 15 21:33:17 ;) Aug 15 21:33:19 <_av500_> KotH: true Aug 15 21:33:22 <_av500_> inflation Aug 15 21:33:27 dammit looks like this TM1638 module is DoA Aug 15 21:33:28 <_av500_> which is actually low Aug 15 21:33:33 so 1DM is like $1.30 Aug 15 21:33:37 The swiss and the english were smart not to join the euro Aug 15 21:33:42 <_av500_> ds2: back then Aug 15 21:34:00 <_av500_> mrpacket_: yes, this is why the english economy is booming Aug 15 21:34:01 <_av500_> not Aug 15 21:34:04 would you want your economy attached to the spainish, greeks and italians. Aug 15 21:34:13 mrpacket_: the germans could not not join the euro. it was kohl who tried everyone to get on that bandwagon Aug 15 21:34:19 <_av500_> take away london city and the UK is gone Aug 15 21:34:36 <_av500_> mrpacket_: we want that Aug 15 21:34:47 <_av500_> because look where it got us (and them) Aug 15 21:34:52 <_av500_> germany owns eu now :) Aug 15 21:34:58 all has been fixed, they have a new royal baby. the ecomony is booming because of tea-towel, tea-spoon and baby clothes sales. Aug 15 21:35:05 <_av500_> +1 Aug 15 21:35:07 mrpacket_: but i must say i find the euro a pretty neat idea: now we swiss need only two wallets: one for switzerland, and one for everywhere else ;) Aug 15 21:35:26 KotH: we'll take euros in NZ Aug 15 21:35:28 :-) Aug 15 21:35:29 euros work reasonably well in .ch too Aug 15 21:35:34 mrpacket_: see :-D Aug 15 21:35:36 even vending machines take them Aug 15 21:35:44 i'll also take francs Aug 15 21:35:48 <_av500_> the swiss take any currency Aug 15 21:35:56 not the vending machines Aug 15 21:35:57 even bitcoin? Aug 15 21:36:01 <_av500_> no Aug 15 21:36:04 <_av500_> hard currency Aug 15 21:36:06 <_av500_> only Aug 15 21:36:08 _av500_: dollar is getting difficult these days Aug 15 21:36:14 can you put bitcoin in a vending machine Aug 15 21:36:15 <_av500_> hard i said :) Aug 15 21:36:39 the courts in the US defined bitcoin as currency the other day Aug 15 21:36:49 so they could prosecute some guy for a ponzi schem Aug 15 21:36:50 <_av500_> nah Aug 15 21:37:06 <_av500_> they define some companies doing "money handling" Aug 15 21:37:10 <_av500_> defined Aug 15 21:37:16 which they are Aug 15 21:37:22 <_av500_> sure Aug 15 21:37:33 alt.currency != bitcoin Aug 15 21:37:33 like it or not, there are rules for these things Aug 15 21:37:40 and if theres not Aug 15 21:37:50 somebody ( most likey the americans ) will make a rule Aug 15 21:38:03 guns. lets talk guns now Aug 15 21:38:13 we've jsut about done the other topics. Aug 15 21:38:17 ha ha. Aug 15 21:38:47 which reminds me, i should fill out the application form so i can keep my rifle Aug 15 21:39:18 I am legally allowed to have fire-arms ( rifles / shotguns ) as i have a licence Aug 15 21:39:29 however, I woudl be divorced. Aug 15 21:39:42 so, my guns are at my brothers house Aug 15 21:39:53 uhmm... the government gave me a rifle, just like that Aug 15 21:40:11 KotH: thats because they are still all smoking that legal(ish) dope Aug 15 21:40:42 I guess the fact that there are so many guns in .ch prevents nutters from going on a rampage Aug 15 21:40:51 ok module wasn't doa.. they just shipped it with a duff ribbon cable Aug 15 21:40:53 becuase they know that someone will probalby shoot back. Aug 15 21:40:56 way to go dx Aug 15 21:41:08 mrpacket_: hehe.. new co-worker, who is from germany was at the street parade (one of the biggest techno events in europe) last weekend... he was overwhelmed by the amount of weed being smoked :) Aug 15 21:41:30 mrpacket_: swiss hardly ever use their guns. we are not nutty usians after all Aug 15 21:41:54 mrpacket_: but we dont have as many guns as we used to Aug 15 21:42:47 * mranostay hurls firearms and beer in the channel Aug 15 21:43:04 * KotH defends himself with chocolate bars Aug 15 21:43:19 hmm actually this TM1638 display is quite nice and bright Aug 15 21:43:21 bullets beat chocolate Aug 15 21:43:26 I need to order a bunch of these more Aug 15 21:43:41 * SilicaGel DO NOT EAT Aug 15 21:43:41 do not eat Aug 15 21:43:46 THIS MEANS YOU MRU Aug 15 21:44:10 * KotH would put SilicaGel into his oven on 100°C for about two hours Aug 15 21:44:10 * _troll_ eats SilicaGel Aug 15 21:44:26 My BBB is now an Insteon controller! Aug 15 21:48:10 * KotH did that kind of things 4y ago Aug 15 21:48:29 unfortunately the customer was a dickhead and didnt care about customers Aug 15 21:48:52 company went down the drain within two years... Aug 15 21:51:54 Oh yeah??? Aug 15 21:52:06 Did you get any good loot in the going out of business sale? Aug 15 21:56:38 they are still "in busines" Aug 15 21:56:46 and no, i wouldnt want Aug 15 21:57:04 the stuff would have been quite cool, if they would have done a proper job with the control software Aug 15 21:57:17 but they didnt care about the customers and the bugs they reported Aug 15 21:57:49 * mranostay gives KotH some chocolate and a hug Aug 15 21:59:35 *sob* thanks mranostay Aug 15 22:01:44 * ds2 launches chocolate bunnies randomly into the channel Aug 15 22:02:55 * SpeedEvil launches chocolate velociraptors into the channel. Aug 15 22:04:34 KotH: y u no ipv6? Aug 15 22:07:41 hm? Aug 15 22:07:44 i am ipv6 Aug 15 22:08:38 not on the troll server at least Aug 15 22:09:16 ah.. Aug 15 22:09:17 that one Aug 15 22:09:33 and the hostname irc reports you coming from has no AAAA record either Aug 15 22:09:54 becuase ipv6 is mythical Aug 15 22:10:04 yeah... none of my hosts have aaaa records Aug 15 22:10:14 mrpackethead: working fine here Aug 15 22:10:16 didnt deal with dns in ipv6 yet Aug 15 22:10:22 ha ha. Aug 15 22:10:23 :-) Aug 15 22:10:30 batanen doesnt have ipv6 configured yet, maybe i should do that Aug 15 22:10:32 it works hear as wel Aug 15 22:10:38 i just dont' have it set ip Aug 15 22:10:40 up Aug 15 22:10:44 in fact, this irc session is running over ipv6 Aug 15 22:10:53 as there is no compelling reason for me to do so Aug 15 22:11:17 a few weeks ago someone posted a link on g+ that was ipv6-only Aug 15 22:11:20 mrpackethead: there is: you cannot access all of libav's services over ipv4 :) Aug 15 22:11:29 KotH: gee. Aug 15 22:11:43 well.. we run out of addresses ^^' Aug 15 22:11:52 when it impacts sufficently, i'll make the move. Aug 15 22:12:21 so, you mean apnic and ripe being out of ip addresses is has no impact? Aug 15 22:12:42 I am not suffering any connectivity issues today Aug 15 22:12:50 I'd better hold onto that /29... Aug 15 22:12:51 by not being on ipv6 Aug 15 22:13:01 i have a /22 Aug 15 22:13:03 :-) Aug 15 22:13:09 that i'm probalby only using a /29 Aug 15 22:13:21 or *should* be using a /29 Aug 15 22:13:21 mrpackethead: ipv4.potaroo.net/ Aug 15 22:13:25 I'm not using even a full /29 Aug 15 22:14:07 movingt he world to ipv6 Aug 15 22:14:12 is not a trival exercise Aug 15 22:14:18 anyway. Aug 15 22:14:25 i have an appointment with an inductor Aug 15 22:14:25 KotH: i really didn't think there was money to be made on the stupid home automation market, but now i see stuff on tv for cloud based services in the $60-month range ... holy merde Aug 15 22:14:42 that's not to say they're selling it. Guess we'll see how long the ads run :) Aug 15 22:14:56 SilicaGel: le shock? Aug 15 22:15:16 mrpackethead: remember to see a capacitor afterwards Aug 15 22:16:09 just for laughs, I dumped incoming traffic to one of my unused IPs for a while Aug 15 22:16:11 le shock? Aug 15 22:17:02 mru: i liked how the isp of the company i work for said "there is no customer demand for ipv6, so we havent done anything yet" just a couple of weeks befor ripe went out of ipv4 addresses Aug 15 22:17:47 of course ripe having run out doesn't mean the ISPs have Aug 15 22:17:55 juup Aug 15 22:18:06 but i like the "there is no customer demand" Aug 15 22:18:07 clearly my new isp had some spare ones Aug 15 22:18:20 i really wtf'ed there Aug 15 22:18:43 the /29 below mine belongs to the RAF... Aug 15 22:18:49 eh Aug 15 22:19:02 nmap that! Aug 15 22:19:21 does ipv6 help if it's not everywhere though Aug 15 22:19:43 because if your isp offered it, most of what most people do ends up having to be proxied to some ipv4 endpoint anyway doesn't it Aug 15 22:19:58 nope Aug 15 22:20:04 quite to the contrary Aug 15 22:20:10 most of the stuff is ipv6 already Aug 15 22:20:18 google, fb, youtube Aug 15 22:20:22 huh. Aug 15 22:20:54 ds2: found my zaurus, but no charger or cradle :( Aug 15 22:21:02 what for Aug 15 22:21:05 i found my hp95lx Aug 15 22:21:15 i have no more use for a calculator that runs dos 3 :( Aug 15 22:22:08 you could walk around using that, and freak out all the kids Aug 15 22:22:18 really? hmm Aug 15 22:22:22 THINK OF THE CHILDREN! Aug 15 22:22:32 Back in the day I had it hooked up to one of those TinyTNC contraptions and a 2m HT Aug 15 22:22:41 and I was hot [word you can't say on the radio] Aug 15 22:23:48 supercalifragilisticexpialidocious? Aug 15 22:25:01 I could tell you what I did with diodes back then, but my telling of the story might be biased. Aug 15 22:25:49 diodes do not make good sex toys, unless you use one of those 1kA types Aug 15 22:26:17 i wouldnt go larger than 10kA though, she might not like them Aug 15 22:26:59 shadan45: it is just 5V Aug 15 22:27:01 <_av500_> cards Aug 15 22:27:05 <_av500_> lot Aug 15 22:27:06 <_av500_> s Aug 15 22:27:54 * KotH is an experienced electrical engineer ;-) Aug 15 22:28:14 * mru has heard too much already Aug 15 22:28:40 mru: maybe you should close the speach synth app then Aug 15 22:28:57 <_av500_> mru: too much daft punk? Aug 15 22:28:57 yes, we could tell from your hair Aug 15 22:29:22 _av500_: that too Aug 15 22:38:53 * mranostay takes some luck away from mru Aug 15 22:41:57 the hell? http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/231 Aug 15 22:46:25 mranostay: I am only a messenger Aug 15 22:52:34 * mranostay wonders if can qualify as a hobbyist.. i work on android not linux Aug 15 22:52:36 mranostay: i'm only a lonely engineer Aug 15 22:53:54 mranostay: for elce? Aug 15 23:01:06 well Kernel Summit Aug 15 23:01:30 also LF Aug 15 23:01:42 how does self-employed count? Aug 15 23:03:38 a bit one way isn't it? Aug 15 23:04:10 mru: depends on if you are making or losing money ;) Aug 15 23:04:34 I'm not in the habit of losing money Aug 15 23:04:53 where would be the point in that? Aug 15 23:05:59 i only do hobbies that may make me money :P Aug 15 23:06:35 you make money from drinking beer? Aug 15 23:07:03 maybe he is a professional urine generator Aug 15 23:07:05 :D Aug 15 23:07:13 ok tech stuff :) Aug 15 23:07:22 beer drinking would be a awesome job Aug 15 23:07:49 sure, but who would pay for that? Aug 15 23:08:26 in the past, there used to be people who did that Aug 15 23:09:13 where is this awesome time and place? Aug 15 23:09:31 to the tardis! Aug 15 23:10:13 middle ages, when people died from from a cold like flies Aug 15 23:10:45 swatted by giant apes? Aug 15 23:11:12 http://abstrusegoose.com/526 time travel! Aug 15 23:11:19 you take the good with the bad Aug 15 23:12:54 http://xkcd.com/1063/ - time travel. (check the alt-text too) Aug 15 23:13:48 killing hitler such a cliche use of a time machine Aug 15 23:14:30 what if you killed hitler but another less insane evil leader was born instead? Aug 15 23:14:50 then the time machine cliche would be to kill that guy Aug 15 23:15:38 suddenly, slightly a holocaust of leaders, starting from evil, then bad, then irritating, and suddenly its turtles all the way down Aug 15 23:15:51 er, I forgot how to english Aug 15 23:16:10 until you have a canuck starting world war ii with snowballs Aug 15 23:16:11 the joke was that hitler did die in 45 in a bunker... he changed nothing Aug 15 23:16:21 thurgood: yes i got it :) Aug 15 23:16:32 'k never know Aug 15 23:17:01 all wars should be fought as snowball fights Aug 15 23:17:29 next thing you know someone puts a roc at the center of the snowball... escalation Aug 15 23:18:11 yes or ice shards from twice frozen snow Aug 15 23:19:47 thurgood: yes. That also makes the roc angry. Aug 15 23:19:52 Angry rocs are bad. Aug 15 23:20:02 republic of china? Aug 15 23:20:20 just don't piss off rok, you'll lose at star craft so bad Aug 15 23:20:29 * mranostay throws snowballs Aug 15 23:20:42 trolls vs noobs Aug 15 23:22:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roc_%28mythology%29 Aug 15 23:22:56 that would make an awesome tattoo Aug 15 23:27:20 here is wmat our snowball arms dealers Aug 15 23:30:10 heh Aug 15 23:30:29 just back from a short vacation in Ottawa Aug 15 23:30:36 are snowmen covered by the 2nd amendment? Aug 15 23:30:52 mru: speak Canadian Aug 15 23:32:00 i'm such a sad Star Wars nerd. I was pushing little kids aside at the Star Wars Identities exhibit at the Aviation Museum Aug 15 23:32:35 Ottawa is a vacation? Aug 15 23:32:49 sure, where else are the big museums Aug 15 23:32:53 http://www.starwarsidentities.com/ Aug 15 23:33:23 montreal? toronto? Aug 15 23:33:36 being at the Byward Market again, I think more cons should be held there again Aug 15 23:34:02 ds2: we'd been to everything in Toronto already Aug 15 23:34:17 and Montreal is next on the list Aug 15 23:34:30 ds2: montreal is in quebec? Aug 15 23:34:39 I just remember the onlything in Ottawa is the capitol bldg Aug 15 23:35:02 ds2: yes, the parliament buildings are there Aug 15 23:35:21 heh wait i read that as ontario Aug 15 23:35:51 wmat: is maple syrup policy set there? Aug 15 23:36:03 there is an amazing sound and light show at the parliament: http://www.canadascapital.gc.ca/celebrate/mosaika Aug 15 23:36:32 mranostay: yes, at the Syrup building. It's like our NSA building Aug 15 23:37:38 syrupboarding? Aug 15 23:37:46 sticky Aug 15 23:39:14 mranostay: yes. french folks Aug 15 23:39:49 french who answer to Her Majesty, yay Aug 15 23:40:33 why would anyone let french in the north america? Aug 15 23:40:58 they helped us kick george's ass! Aug 15 23:41:00 didn't they own the louisiana territories back in the day? Aug 15 23:41:12 which was pretty much the entire midwest Aug 15 23:41:26 don't confuse me with your facts! Aug 15 23:41:49 mranostay: there's a number for that Aug 15 23:41:59 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/128 Aug 15 23:43:04 at some point we can just talk with 26+26 quote numbers Aug 15 23:43:36 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/187 Aug 15 23:44:11 yes yes goddammit :) Aug 15 23:44:38 soon we'll have enough to talk entirely in quotes by you Aug 15 23:45:13 mru: that site might make a nice code book Aug 15 23:45:40 we should have a paperbound book Aug 15 23:46:01 best of #beagle Aug 15 23:46:08 kickstarter!!!eins!elf!dwarf Aug 16 00:31:05 damn, it's getting chilly Aug 16 01:33:05 wmat: even for a canadian? Aug 16 02:06:39 On the BBB, what determines whether it will boot off eMMC or SD-Card Aug 16 02:21:24 Is beaglebone bkack fast enough to do ham radio digital modes? Aug 16 02:24:49 512MB of ram and 1Ghz cpu Aug 16 02:24:55 I'd say yea it might be Aug 16 02:24:58 http://www.opensdr.com/node/17 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 16 02:59:58 2013