**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 01 02:59:59 2013 Sep 01 03:00:58 I just flashed my BBB with the latest flasher. ran opkg update, then opkg upgrade, now I can not SSH into my board. Should "upgrade" ever be run? or is this dangerous? Sep 01 03:07:19 bluetrep: you can't desroy it with a software upgraede Sep 01 03:07:24 so dont' worry. Sep 01 03:07:34 whats stopping the ssh Sep 01 03:07:42 is ssh not running at all Sep 01 03:07:48 or can't you connect to it Sep 01 03:11:25 wow have not used IRC in ages.. Sep 01 03:15:17 oh. Sep 01 03:15:19 there you go. Sep 01 03:15:30 welcome back then Sep 01 03:27:30 Hey can the sd card image writer software use .iso? Sep 01 03:27:49 * m_billybob has no clue Sep 01 03:28:36 m_billybob, is clueless? Sep 01 03:37:18 which dev is the Angstrom distro stored on? mmcblk0boot1 or mmcblk0p1? Sep 01 03:38:50 root@arm:~# blkid Sep 01 03:39:04 -/dev/mmcblk1p2: LABEL="Angstrom" UUID="ded34392-3812-4b8d-ab38-342da9a4b0d8" TYPE="ext4" Sep 01 03:39:17 label "Angstrom Sep 01 03:40:39 no idea how angstrom does mountpoints Sep 01 03:41:22 ka6sox, yeah i dont/cant know everything Sep 01 03:42:33 I was just trying to determine what the device name will be for the micro SD card. I didnt want to install to the 2gb Emmc.. Sep 01 03:43:28 esacadmin yeah sorry cant help there, well *maybe* but i run Debian (netboot ) Sep 01 03:43:52 this *boot partition you mentiuon makes no sense to me :/ Sep 01 03:44:25 with debian its mmcblk0p1, and mmcblk0p2 Sep 01 03:45:01 p1 would be the boot part, anbd p2 wouldnt be the rootfs Sep 01 03:47:32 so mmcblk0 must be the dev for the 2gb emmc.. so I dont know what the dev will be for micro SD till I put one in..not a big deal. just was checking to see if anyone knew.. at any rate whenever I install I will of course e able to choose the disk so it doesnt matter Sep 01 03:47:59 mmcblk0 will be whatever device you boot from Sep 01 03:48:53 if you boot emmc that will be mmcblk0 and if you boot from uSD, the same Sep 01 03:50:24 Does the BBB have a bios? Sep 01 03:50:39 no, it has uboot Sep 01 03:50:50 not, think of uboot in this context as "the bios" but its also more Sep 01 03:50:55 universal boot? Sep 01 03:51:13 uboot as in das boot Sep 01 03:51:14 its bios++++ Sep 01 03:51:36 does it have an interface? Sep 01 03:51:51 depends on what you mean by interface Sep 01 03:52:06 to configure Sep 01 03:52:17 you can read uboot messages and even interact with it via serial debig Sep 01 03:52:20 yes Sep 01 03:52:25 uEnv.txt Sep 01 03:52:40 serial debug* Sep 01 03:52:59 there is also more a pre uEnv.txt file whcih i dont know a whole lot about Sep 01 03:53:16 uEnv.txt Sep 01 03:53:20 whoops Sep 01 03:53:39 sorry for all the questions, but I mainly just wanted to make sure i did not brick this thing. Sep 01 03:53:51 you cant Sep 01 03:53:59 you can always fix it Sep 01 03:54:28 so maybe you will make bot hthe emmc and the sdcard unbootable, but it is always fixable Sep 01 03:55:31 esacadmin here read this. its a blog post i wrote which should give you a rough idea of what you need -> http://www.embeddedhobbyist.com/debian-tips/beaglebone-black/beaglebone-black-usb-boot/ Sep 01 03:55:40 ok so its totally possible to install a linux distro to micro SD and have it boot the SD. Thats why I was asking about bios Sep 01 03:55:52 its concerfning USB boot, but it should also let you know which files you need, and mostly where they need to be Sep 01 03:56:07 thanks.. yeah I was looking for anything people have written. Sep 01 03:56:18 ill check that out. Sep 01 03:56:28 i hqve netboot guide there too, but it wont work with angstrom Sep 01 03:57:00 angstrom ubuntu and fedora, none ofthose will work with the netboot guide, but arch debian, and busybox will Sep 01 03:57:29 esacadmin are you airly good with C ? Sep 01 03:57:38 fairly good with C* Sep 01 04:00:29 this should give you an idea of how some args are meant to be formed in uEnv.txt -> http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/configs/am335x_evm.h;hb=HEAD#l57 Sep 01 04:01:52 uh no not much of a c programmer. have used C but have not really got into it that much. Sep 01 04:04:48 Yeah just read that link u gave me. what im after is to just to have the distro i want boot from sdcard. is it necessary to keep the angstrom distro? Sep 01 04:05:04 no Sep 01 04:05:12 you can pretty much use whateer you like Sep 01 04:05:19 whatever* Sep 01 04:05:29 me . . i like debian so that is what i use Sep 01 04:05:39 I mean it seems like it has some useful utils like gateonessh but I guess it does not matter.. Sep 01 04:06:03 its just so you can get started right away.. Sep 01 04:06:06 gateone is mostly useless for me . . i use puTTY Sep 01 04:06:52 esacadmin do you have a linux machine that could be used for a cross compile system ? Sep 01 04:07:21 I use vmware. I can make one :) Sep 01 04:07:30 tis what i do too ;) Sep 01 04:07:47 have a look at this Sep 01 04:07:49 http://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black Sep 01 04:08:08 debian / ubuntu guide uboot and kernel compiled from source Sep 01 04:08:36 is there a size limit on the sdcard i can use kernel wise ? Sep 01 04:08:57 i use a 16GB card, hmm i do not know of a limite though Sep 01 04:09:11 i have heard some people talkign about using 32GB cards Sep 01 04:10:06 do you use workstation or player? Sep 01 04:10:16 virtualbox Sep 01 04:10:22 ah.. Sep 01 04:10:36 i run win7 x64 on the host Sep 01 04:10:58 I also have a dedicated debian wheezy machine too Sep 01 04:11:02 yeah I have used virtual box, but I am partial to vmware workstation. useing 9.0 now Sep 01 04:11:40 ive been using vms since . . .wel at least sicne the early 2000's . . . they're all the same, but yeah virtualbox is free Sep 01 04:12:07 they're all seemingly gettign bloated Sep 01 04:12:30 wait a sec. I saw that somewhere. is that wheezy a specific custom distro of debian or just a release revision? Sep 01 04:12:35 virtualbox used to feel less bloated but its catching up in that regard lately i think Sep 01 04:12:56 Yes Oracle is screwing things up i think. Sep 01 04:12:59 its a custom kernel only Sep 01 04:13:15 no matter what distro you're gogn ot use they're all going ot be custom kernels Sep 01 04:13:24 true. Sep 01 04:13:27 for instance x86 wheezy is 3.2 Sep 01 04:13:43 BBB kerneals are all 3.8.x + Sep 01 04:13:53 kernels* Sep 01 04:14:56 esacadmin i can vouch for those instructions though. Robert Nelson does a very good job Sep 01 04:15:16 not that he really needs me to vouchfor him lol Sep 01 04:17:25 * m_billybob is watching the croods Sep 01 04:17:38 been waiting to watch this flick for 8 months . .. Sep 01 04:17:39 ah sweet. very nice wiki page. I will check it out...looks like exactly what I was looking for. I have used vmware workstation ever since it became available. thats what introduced me to virtualization. Sep 01 04:17:54 same Sep 01 04:18:06 dont think sun had started on virtualbox back then Sep 01 04:18:14 i did toy with Xen some though Sep 01 04:18:38 Before that, I was using 4 pc's with KVM to setup test boxes and network stuff.. Sep 01 04:18:45 heh Sep 01 04:18:52 fun stuff :) Sep 01 04:19:34 So glad virtualiation came along. I can now setup any scenario I want from my laptop :). Sep 01 04:20:06 no kidding, which really this laptop of mine quad core with 8GB ram . . . rinally able ot use it all Sep 01 04:20:30 been running two single core 2 GB ram VM for hmm Sep 01 04:20:34 * m_billybob looks Sep 01 04:20:43 yeah I have 8Gb on this laptop. and its just my work laptop Sep 01 04:20:51 root@arm:~# uptime Sep 01 04:20:52 21:22:24 up 25 days, 21:15, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 Sep 01 04:20:57 25 days ;) Sep 01 04:21:22 i power my BBB via usb 3 off this laptop too Sep 01 04:21:24 win7 with a few apps for work eats up at least 2.5 to 3gb Sep 01 04:22:04 heh i has 95MB free memory Sep 01 04:22:05 but Outlook is a resource hog for sure..with Lync integrated.. bleh... Sep 01 04:22:06 right now Sep 01 04:22:40 i have* Sep 01 04:22:58 wow did a canhazcheeseburger moment there Sep 01 04:23:52 yeah cant say about outlook havent used it in years Sep 01 04:24:11 been using webmail for a long long time Sep 01 04:24:24 I try to avoid using anything like that from MS Sep 01 04:28:11 yeah but when you work for corps like I do..most use microsoft crap Sep 01 04:29:07 understood Sep 01 04:30:21 you run your own email server? Sep 01 04:30:34 I dont no. Sep 01 04:30:56 my buddy does, but i dont use his Sep 01 04:31:02 i just use gmail Sep 01 04:32:20 then if i ever need to use an A record, etc, i have him set it up for me. and link it to my gmail account ;) Sep 01 04:37:51 heh that will work. Sep 01 04:38:07 my needs are fairly simple Sep 01 04:38:08 does he use sendmail? Sep 01 04:38:19 not sure what he uses Sep 01 04:39:19 email server stuff is something i dont know much about, and honestly is somethign i really dotn care to know much about Sep 01 04:39:21 you could use nmap -A ip to see. Sep 01 04:40:25 i would say telnet to port but telnet is not used much anymore Sep 01 04:41:49 yeah I know what u mean.. I dont really want to know too much about web application servers either Sep 01 04:42:33 thats something i need to know eventually Sep 01 04:42:49 making a linux appliance of sorts out of our BBB's Sep 01 04:43:03 remote site management appliance Sep 01 04:46:15 lol this movie is prett yfunny Sep 01 04:46:59 m_billybob, which movie Sep 01 04:47:05 the croods Sep 01 04:47:32 been waiting to see it for like 8months Sep 01 04:51:30 cool well Im off to play some xbox for a little bit Sep 01 04:51:41 thanks for the tips Sep 01 04:51:46 np Sep 01 08:15:25 a wonderfull french JIHAD everyone! Sep 01 08:23:22 KotH: comes with complimentary croissant? Sep 01 08:24:55 sure Sep 01 08:25:17 Helo Sep 01 08:25:24 *Hello Sep 01 08:25:29 ehlo Sep 01 08:25:49 i've got a bb black, now it's flashed with debian hf Sep 01 08:26:05 i need drivers for usb devices Sep 01 08:26:12 im using wget https://raw.github.com/gkaindl/beaglebone-ubuntu-scripts/master/bb-get-rcn-kernel-source.sh Sep 01 08:26:23 is it ok? Sep 01 08:26:51 ( im using that to get the environment to compile the modules ) Sep 01 08:27:02 not many people here use debian hf with rcn's stuff Sep 01 08:27:18 oh shhtt Sep 01 08:27:36 dm8tbr : it means i will not find drivers? Sep 01 08:27:54 sorry for my english, im italian Sep 01 08:28:33 it just means you'll have to figure things out yourself without someone hand holding you through the whole process... Sep 01 08:29:42 or god forbid, you might need to read documentation Sep 01 08:31:10 the whole not needed, i think im an average linux user ready to lone fightin, but i've my limits like no way to make a module by my self, are the debian modules compatible for arm hf? ( i mean the just source ) Sep 01 08:32:38 the kernel doesn't know about sf vs hf Sep 01 08:33:11 so yes it's the same kernel for both Sep 01 08:35:53 dm8tbr: what does sf and hf stand for? Sep 01 08:36:19 * KotH somehow cannot think Sep 01 08:36:22 softfloat hardfloat Sep 01 08:36:26 ah.. Sep 01 08:36:27 right Sep 01 08:36:39 * KotH knew that there was something floating around in his mind Sep 01 08:36:49 ;-þ Sep 01 08:41:38 are people using the preview of java 8 on their BBBs? Sep 01 08:49:45 tnx dm8tbr Sep 01 09:52:31 hello, I am looking at the TI SDK which is based on Arago. As far as I understand it uses an older 3.2 kernel but also supports the BBB. Can some of the experts briefly tell me the difference between Arago and Angstrom - are there any major benefits or drawbacks of any of them? Sep 01 09:53:59 both seem to be based on OE and Yocto Sep 01 09:58:28 I'd use Debian Sep 01 10:02:09 i never heard of arago Sep 01 10:12:19 mrpackethead: me too Sep 01 10:18:09 arago is ti's own distribution. they claim that it thoroughly tested. also, as ti seems to create all the bsp and drivers I think that other distros use it Sep 01 10:19:05 at least ti seem to have some docs for their SDK, for Angstrom I find no docs, don't know where to start Sep 01 10:20:55 mrpackethead: why exactly debian? what are the benefits in comparison to ubuntu or angstrom? Sep 01 10:21:29 I just use debian because (a) it works for me and (b) i'm used it it Sep 01 10:21:37 and (c) i di'nt know any thing about angrstom Sep 01 10:21:43 ok, that's an argument :-) Sep 01 10:21:55 * Tenkawa wont recommend any 1 for all.. i for example use slackware Sep 01 10:23:05 mrpackethead: are you using Qt? Sep 01 10:23:12 no Sep 01 10:23:26 mrpackethead: using USB? Sep 01 10:23:33 not really Sep 01 10:23:50 mrpackethead: ethernet? Sep 01 10:24:07 yes, ethernet, i2c, spi and GPIO Sep 01 10:24:29 mrpackethead: from C++? Sep 01 10:24:33 C Sep 01 10:24:43 and C++ Sep 01 10:24:49 python Sep 01 10:24:59 awww..no arm assembly? Sep 01 10:25:07 hehh Sep 01 10:25:55 mrpackethead: does your app configure DHCP / IP from within your C code? Sep 01 10:28:06 Anguel: do you know linux? Sep 01 10:28:34 KotH: Just starting to learn it :-) Sep 01 10:29:03 Anguel: ok, then first learn linux, before asking more questions Sep 01 10:29:16 Anguel: especially the KISS principle and "the way of unix" :) Sep 01 10:29:38 KotH: which of my questions was stupid? Sep 01 10:29:58 Anguel: none, but they show that you dont know much about linux Sep 01 10:30:05 Anguel: and that's a bad idea if you want to do embedded linux Sep 01 10:30:36 if you know linux, the answers to your questions will immediatly come to you Sep 01 10:30:52 KotH: ok, but please tell me which of the things I said showed that I don't know it Sep 01 10:31:44 Anguel: " does your app configure DHCP / IP from within your C code? " Sep 01 10:31:56 No, why would i do that Sep 01 10:32:10 Anguel: debian vs ubuntu vs angstr�m, using usb, using ethernet, configuring ip addresses from an aplication Sep 01 10:32:44 KotH: happy sunday Sep 01 10:32:51 KotH: ok, i need a gui where I want to set DHCP or a static IP, how whould you do that? Sep 01 10:33:01 KotH: if not from the app Sep 01 10:33:03 mrpackethead: it's not that happy.. i'm way too sleepy Sep 01 10:33:08 mrpackethead: but it's lunch time :) Sep 01 10:33:15 it almost bed time Sep 01 10:33:30 spent my day, doing emergency get project back on track Sep 01 10:33:31 day Sep 01 10:33:40 becuase stupid manufacturer let me down big time Sep 01 10:33:46 and i only accidently found out Sep 01 10:33:50 Anguel: learn unix and all will come naturally to you Sep 01 10:34:12 mrpackethead: fuckk... Sep 01 10:34:16 mrpackethead: i hate it when that happens Sep 01 10:34:21 KotH: if you are an expert maybe you can just point me to where to start reading about this Sep 01 10:34:21 yup Sep 01 10:34:27 mrpackethead: anyways, sleep well and dont get too grumpy about it Sep 01 10:34:38 MCPCB manfuacturer Sep 01 10:34:44 who told me 4 weeks Sep 01 10:34:48 had'nt even started manfuacture Sep 01 10:34:51 Anguel: any linux book Sep 01 10:34:51 gah. Sep 01 10:34:58 ouch Sep 01 10:35:03 mrpackethead: use a bomb belt Sep 01 10:35:18 fortuantly, i've hacked together a solution Sep 01 10:35:30 and i got lucky Sep 01 10:35:38 the PCB is pretty sepcialist Sep 01 10:36:02 but i was able to get hold of 800 pces of a pcb that works Sep 01 10:36:07 KotH: maybe you can give me a short hint how you would configure dhcp / ip from my app so I know where to read Sep 01 10:36:26 Anguel: dhcp is not configured from your app Sep 01 10:36:49 in debian its configured in /etc/network/interfaces Sep 01 10:37:24 mrpackethead: so what is the problem about doing this from the app? Sep 01 10:38:06 becuase thats not how you do things in Linux Sep 01 10:38:49 mrpackethead: and how would you do it if you need to give your GUI app to an end-user? Sep 01 10:39:05 tell him to log in or what? Sep 01 10:40:23 not sure if i am the only one who does not know about embedded linux here... Sep 01 10:44:08 but thanks anyway for pointing me to "linux for dummies" instead of giving me a short hint if you are such experts Sep 01 10:47:37 hi there guys! Sep 01 10:48:22 i was yesterday night trying to make my BB WiFi (Edimax USB adapter) work with Angstrom (kernel 3.8, Last image) Sep 01 10:48:39 cross compiling means i dont have to have the same arch on all the machines involved in the compile pool, right? Sep 01 10:48:39 while i can connect to a network using my BBB Sep 01 10:48:46 with the exact same configuration Sep 01 10:48:58 the BB doesn't seem to connect Sep 01 10:49:02 has anybody experienced this? Sep 01 10:49:39 is it possible to use WiFi with Angstrom with the 3.8 kernel using the BB? Sep 01 10:49:58 i surfed quite a bit the google groups and i found some people with the same issue Sep 01 10:50:54 vmayoral: not sure about angstrom but i use slackware, 3.8.13 kernel with a usb ralink based wifi adapter just fine on my bbb Sep 01 10:51:04 http://www.codealpha.net/864/how-to-set-up-a-rtl8192cu-on-the-beaglebone-black-bbb/ solves the situation for the BBB but it doesn't work on the BB Sep 01 10:51:12 ah Sep 01 10:51:39 what error/condition do you get on the bb? Sep 01 10:51:51 Tenkawa: good to hear that it works in Slackware, i believe it does so with Ubuntu as well Sep 01 10:51:57 that's actually what is troubling me Sep 01 10:52:13 the WiFi dongle is recongnized properly Sep 01 10:52:22 i've actually had a lot of trouble with the edimax adapter Sep 01 10:52:29 edimax.... Sep 01 10:52:34 thats why i put in a rslink based one Sep 01 10:52:37 er ralink Sep 01 10:52:40 mm, i see, maybe that's it Sep 01 10:52:59 rtl8192cu was not consistent for me Sep 01 10:52:59 well i could order another one then and try it out Sep 01 10:53:05 with the edimax on the RPi i HAVE to use the GUI to configure for a new network. not matter what i try i cant get it to associate via the command line Sep 01 10:53:28 vmayoral: have you tried this already? http://derekmolloy.ie/beaglebone/beaglebone-adding-usb-wi-fi-building-a-linux-kernel/ Sep 01 10:54:15 Anguel: yes, i did Sep 01 10:54:59 i was really anoyed but then i started searching and it seem more people has found issues with Angstrom 3.8.13 and WiFi dongles Sep 01 10:55:05 (probably the edimax) Sep 01 10:55:06 flufmnstr: i did get my rpi+edimax working from cli Sep 01 10:55:34 just using wpa_supplicant and a static ip Sep 01 10:55:45 never could though on the bbb Sep 01 10:55:56 not with slackware anyway Sep 01 10:56:28 for the bbb this works like a charm http://www.codealpha.net/864/how-to-set-up-a-rtl8192cu-on-the-beaglebone-black-bbb/ Sep 01 10:56:43 cool Sep 01 10:56:53 gotta go afk... bbl Sep 01 10:57:01 Tenkawa out of curiosity, 3.2.27? Sep 01 10:57:16 Tenkawa: thanks for following :) Sep 01 10:57:41 did anybody have success with Angstrom 3.8.13 + Edimax WiFi dongle in the BB? Sep 01 10:59:17 KotH: theres no teaching these guys that there is no shortcuts Sep 01 11:49:21 flufmnstr: on the rpi? no.. 3.10.1 Sep 01 11:55:11 mrpackethead: yeah... there is no point in teachin people :( Sep 01 12:10:13 all right, i guess i should assume that nobody had success with Angstrom 3.8.13 + Edimax WiFi dongle in the BB. I'll try the #angstrom channel to see if somebody went through the same Sep 01 12:47:51 the BBB's pwm outs are available through the usual kernel API, like pwm_{request,free,enable,...}, right? Sep 01 16:14:54 should a beagleboard xM C1 have an RTC? Sep 01 16:28:56 IIRC there's an RTC in the PMIC. If you've got a battery backup then it should work. Sep 01 18:19:14 hey sub! /wave Sep 01 18:42:56 Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog (facebook&twitter) spy 4 israel&usa??? Sep 01 18:42:56 Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet??? Sep 01 18:42:57 هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟ Sep 01 18:42:58 Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog(facebook&twitter) spy4israel&usa??? Sep 01 18:42:58 Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet??? Sep 01 18:42:58 هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟ Sep 01 18:52:29 so... has anyone succeeded in getting 3.11-rc4 to run on a bbb yet? Sep 01 18:56:53 also any ideas why there isnt a 3.10 branch on github? Sep 01 18:58:28 I think bleeding edgers just take a patch set and go with that for now Sep 01 18:59:58 Vaizki: yeah.. even when i compile with a hardcoded loadaddr it cant seem to load my kernel Sep 01 19:00:13 i think i have to be missing something simple Sep 01 19:00:40 well I'm no kernel expert Sep 01 19:00:47 i just recompiled the 3.8 branch and tested 10+ different combinations Sep 01 19:01:10 i think its uboot related heh Sep 01 19:01:25 but dont quote me Sep 01 19:01:39 well is loadaddr isnt working . . .yeah thats a uboot thing not kernel related Sep 01 19:02:05 let me guess, you don't have a ttl serial usb and you're doing this blind? :) Sep 01 19:02:13 Vaizki: of course.. Sep 01 19:02:15 i do remember reading somewhere there was some sort of bug in 3.10.x what exactly i dotn remember Sep 01 19:02:17 ffs Sep 01 19:02:28 Vaizki: still waiting on my parts to arrive Sep 01 19:02:51 for now i just continue to tune 3.8 Sep 01 19:02:56 and you need 3.10 why? Sep 01 19:03:42 I think everyone for the sake of bbb is also skipping over 3.10 . .. Sep 01 19:03:43 who said anything about need Sep 01 19:04:06 m_billybob: probaby not a bad idea Sep 01 19:04:08 afaik next iteration is 3.12 Sep 01 19:04:15 for angstrom debian etc Sep 01 19:04:28 yea I 3.12 and backport some stuff from there to 3.10 Sep 01 19:04:51 3.10 is LTS so some people are going to want to run it Sep 01 19:04:56 although 3.8 isnt even listed on kernel.org anymore Sep 01 19:05:02 Tenkawa for whateer its worth, 3.12-rac0/1 is only a couple weeks out Sep 01 19:05:09 err Sep 01 19:05:09 and its still updated on bb Sep 01 19:05:17 3.12-rc0/1 Sep 01 19:05:22 m_billybob: nice Sep 01 19:05:33 thats the word anyhow Sep 01 19:05:53 hhhe Sep 01 19:05:57 er heheh Sep 01 19:06:24 well either way thanld to you both for the info Sep 01 19:06:30 er thanks Sep 01 19:06:52 at least my crosscompiler build box is working nicely now Sep 01 19:07:08 Tenkawa: everyone working on the BBB kernel is aiming to have stuff in the mainline instead of forking every new kernel Sep 01 19:07:59 yes it's ambitious and no I don't know how it's going but if I were to venture a guess it will take some time Sep 01 19:08:26 it's not like the mainline is very receptive to ARM stuff with all these pesky BOARDS and shit Sep 01 19:08:38 heh .. Sep 01 19:08:44 like wtf is wrong with you ARM people, put a BIOS on your boards! Sep 01 19:09:00 or ACPI or gtfo Sep 01 19:09:22 heheh Sep 01 19:09:43 i remember porting linux to hppa Sep 01 19:09:55 that was a similar deal Sep 01 19:10:00 Vaizki: its getting there, and from the distro point of view we want the support to go to mainline Sep 01 19:10:09 with even less support/interest Sep 01 19:10:20 * dgilmore is heavily involved in Fedora, and we wont support the BBB until its upstream Sep 01 19:10:36 * Tenkawa uses slackware in his Sep 01 19:11:10 dgilmore: but it's not going to make it in 3.12 Sep 01 19:11:10 er on Sep 01 19:13:28 and since we're hanging distros out I use Arch on mine Sep 01 19:14:03 :) in the end the distro shouldnt matter Sep 01 19:14:36 a pure matter of taste for me Sep 01 19:14:39 slowly vendors are doing better at getting support upstream, which makes things supportable Sep 01 19:15:16 3.8.13-9 is the kernel version I have on Arch Sep 01 19:15:36 so yea for a bleeding edge rolling release distro it's very much stuck in 3.8 for now Sep 01 19:15:39 not that I mind Sep 01 19:15:46 i do wonder how many distro's have adopted unifed kernels Sep 01 19:17:01 I don't. Sep 01 19:17:28 at least for fedora it is the only way we add new platforms Sep 01 19:18:28 we also only build the kernel from mainline sources with minor patching Sep 01 19:19:01 well arch linux arm is a port of arch linux Sep 01 19:19:41 but there's not that many packages that need an arm-specific package build file for ARM Sep 01 19:21:11 all of fedora's sources are the same across all arches Sep 01 19:21:21 im talking about the kernel specificly Sep 01 19:21:21 the Arch ARM guys are a bit pragmatic.. the PKGBUILD for the kernel pulls in debian's kernel patches ;) Sep 01 19:21:52 we only build a single unified kernel that runs on all supported platforms Sep 01 19:22:08 dgilmore: a noble and commendable practise I guess, unfortunately it has no value to me :) Sep 01 19:22:11 Tenkawa, yeah its nice to have a cross compile system setup isnt it ? I have one VM that does cross compile and tftp / nfs for netbooting, and then i have a dedicated laptop cross compile system too, Sep 01 19:22:15 we follow linus's tree closely Sep 01 19:22:47 ding dong ding. Sep 01 19:23:14 Vaizki: without a unified kernel we would have to build something like 10 different kernels Sep 01 19:23:22 yea sure Sep 01 19:23:25 which makes support really difficult Sep 01 19:23:30 https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/tree/master/core Sep 01 19:23:41 there's the linux-* kernels for Arch Sep 01 19:23:50 yeah distro is just a matter of "taste" Sep 01 19:23:59 and yes all the platforms are on different versions Sep 01 19:24:03 everyone likes thigns their way, which is fine with me Sep 01 19:24:07 looks like arch builds a crap ton of kernels Sep 01 19:24:13 some are on 3.8, some on 3.11 jetc Sep 01 19:24:47 dgilmore: yes but it supports all kinds of weird crap and horrible hacks like the raspi ;) Sep 01 19:24:50 Vaizki so this roll distro concept what all does that apply to ? kernel too ? Sep 01 19:24:55 rolling distro* Sep 01 19:24:58 yea everything Sep 01 19:25:09 how often does arch break ? Sep 01 19:25:32 well I've had one package break on my systems in hmm.. 5 years? Sep 01 19:25:47 Vaizki: we dropped support for v5 and v6 with Fedora 19 Sep 01 19:25:50 but I don't have X or any desktop stuff on anything Sep 01 19:26:15 yeah you're like me in that regard then Sep 01 19:26:16 m_billybob: downgrading can be a real pain on Arch Sep 01 19:26:22 no x Sep 01 19:26:44 Vaizki: I get why some distros do the seperate kernel route,to me it highlights how broken the kernel was on arm Sep 01 19:26:45 I like my linux compact and up to date Sep 01 19:26:46 what distro isnt though ? Sep 01 19:26:56 hard to retrograde i mean Sep 01 19:27:11 yea but often you will find an older version of the package Sep 01 19:27:24 with Arch, it's usually gone in an hour or so after the new one pops up :) Sep 01 19:27:52 of course the old version will be in your package cache directory unless you've cleaned it out Sep 01 19:27:57 Vaizki so documentation, compared to debian would you say it is as good ? good enough ? far worse ? Sep 01 19:28:03 i have to have docs for my distro Sep 01 19:28:21 well for the x86 stuff the wiki is very very good Sep 01 19:28:27 at least for my use Sep 01 19:28:30 im considering toying with arch, probably in a vm when i get time to do so Sep 01 19:28:49 well 99% of x86 stuffs should apply to ARM too Sep 01 19:28:57 yes of course Sep 01 19:29:11 but Arch has gone all systemd Sep 01 19:29:28