**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 02 02:59:58 2013 Sep 02 03:25:36 moooo hooo Sep 02 06:57:44 advantages of angstrom on beagleboard Sep 02 06:57:57 any pointer Sep 02 07:04:02 nilking: www.angstrom-distribution.org/ Sep 02 07:04:11 howti Sep 02 07:04:13 *dy Sep 02 07:04:27 j0 p4n70! Sep 02 07:04:29 vacation over Sep 02 07:04:35 sob Sep 02 07:04:46 good! you should get to work, you lazy greek! ;-) Sep 02 07:04:52 and the first greet is in 1337 from a turk :) Sep 02 07:05:05 who is still at home ;) Sep 02 07:07:45 KotH : went thought tht wokring fine with my beagleboard but I am developing my qt application which should get started as default can I do tht using Angstrom ? Sep 02 07:12:43 good morning Sep 02 07:14:20 nilking: it is possible with angstrÃ¶m, but i have no way to know whether you can do it Sep 02 07:17:01 KotH any pointer for tht ? hv gone through web do they having seperate community? as newbie i dont hv much of idea Sep 02 07:17:40 hv == high voltage? Sep 02 07:17:50 tht == through hole technology? Sep 02 07:19:04 nilking: first: learn linux Sep 02 07:19:05 LetoThe2nd, allow me, I speak young punk... Sep 02 07:19:05 hv=have Sep 02 07:19:05 tht=that Sep 02 07:19:05 ahoi Sep 02 07:19:05 nilking: second: learn how to develop software Sep 02 07:19:05 hi av500 Sep 02 07:19:05 nilking: third: do the same on angstrÃ¶m as you would do on your pc Sep 02 07:19:05 nilking: forth: ... Sep 02 07:19:05 panto: hrhr Sep 02 07:19:05 nilking: fifth: profit Sep 02 07:19:05 hey av500! Sep 02 07:19:35 KotH: cool Sep 02 07:19:50 do u hv any idea wht is bitbake tool ? Sep 02 07:20:04 panto: it just gives me the creeps if people wanting help talk to us/me like they would to some 13year old script kiddie they met on reddit. Sep 02 07:20:16 nilking: developing software for embedded linux is not different from developing for linux on a pc. you just need to know more about how the system works, but that's easy Sep 02 07:20:27 nilking: and you should read the documentation Sep 02 07:20:32 nilking: it's all written there Sep 02 07:20:35 nilking: ALL Sep 02 07:20:42 nilking, your keyboard is missing keystrokes Sep 02 07:20:50 nilking: u hv idea wht is google? Sep 02 07:21:33 LetoThe2nd: Y U NO L1K3 13Y OLD? Sep 02 07:21:55 KotH: does not parse, try again. Sep 02 07:22:07 * KotH installs a new parser on LetoThe2nd Sep 02 07:22:11 LetoThe2nd: Y U NO L1K3 13Y OLD? Sep 02 07:22:26 hrhrhr Sep 02 07:22:50 KotH, cause I don't want to end up in jail! Sep 02 07:22:55 KotH : fine Sep 02 07:23:36 panto: in jail? Sep 02 07:23:44 panto: because you talked to a turk? Sep 02 07:23:51 no, a 13y old Sep 02 07:23:56 panto: the law must be very strickt in .gr Sep 02 07:24:17 panto: aiding the enemy Sep 02 07:24:38 your mind is not in the gutter enough Sep 02 07:25:08 i'm not your enemy! i'm your ruler! Sep 02 07:25:23 * panto had his fill of teenagers on the beach - "no way she's underage... yep..." Sep 02 07:25:25 a 5" ruler maybe Sep 02 07:25:49 av500, they just can't let go, can't they? Sep 02 07:26:01 panto: lol Sep 02 07:26:40 panto: it's your fault for being an attractive older man ;) Sep 02 07:26:42 I have to say you bunch of geezers sure is depressing me now Sep 02 07:26:58 I have to wear shoes for fsck sake Sep 02 07:27:28 lol Sep 02 07:27:48 * KotH should be slowly thinking about getting ready to go to work... maybe Sep 02 07:28:21 panto: you dont have to wear shoes for me Sep 02 07:29:26 av500: how about a tutu? Sep 02 07:30:12 you don't want me to send you pictures, would you? Sep 02 07:30:21 panto: I've seen it all Sep 02 08:17:51 hello Sep 02 08:17:59 any body for help Sep 02 08:18:18 * panto presents a body Sep 02 08:19:29 any body there Sep 02 08:19:43 Adil, take a look at the topic Sep 02 08:19:45 just ask away Sep 02 08:20:28 ok then who will answer? Sep 02 08:21:23 we're not keeping score; anyone that can Sep 02 08:22:32 panto will answer :P Sep 02 08:22:33 somebody will answer Sep 02 08:22:37 i will not answer Sep 02 08:22:48 ok :D how to boot from Angstrom Linux in Beagle Bone Black Sep 02 08:22:54 KotH, what if Adil has some chocolate? Sep 02 08:23:11 panto: i'm pretty sure he doesnt have good swiss chocolate Sep 02 08:23:34 he might have some superior belgian chocolate Sep 02 08:23:36 .o0(one does not simply boot angström linux) Sep 02 08:27:58 Adil: 1) buy BBB 2) power on BBB 3) angstrom boots. Sep 02 08:32:11 panto are you sending me chocolateS? Sep 02 08:32:34 no, you'll have to send them to KotH as a bribe Sep 02 08:33:17 oh got it. to get answers i have to give him bribe... so ugly is that Sep 02 08:33:28 which chocolate he like Sep 02 08:34:45 that's not ugly, that's tasty! Sep 02 08:35:15 i like läderach, teuscher and cru sauvage from lindt Sep 02 08:35:43 other small chocolatiers from switzerland are fine too Sep 02 08:35:43 ok KotH how to send you chocolates is there is online way? Sep 02 08:35:48 yes Sep 02 08:36:04 www.lindt.ch, www.laderach.ch, www.teuscher.ch Sep 02 08:36:34 no sprungli? Son, I'm Disappoint Sep 02 08:36:55 well, sprüngli is good for cakes Sep 02 08:37:19 but you have to go to the shop to order them, which is probably impossible for Adil Sep 02 08:37:53 yes you know that.kindly suggest the easiest way for me Sep 02 08:38:21 Adil: i'll give you the exact steps: Sep 02 08:38:25 Adil: 1) ask your question Sep 02 08:38:34 moaning Sep 02 08:38:42 Adil: 2) describe what you want to do, what you have done and why it failed Sep 02 08:38:47 Adil: 3) wait for the answer Sep 02 08:38:55 mru, moaning Sep 02 08:39:00 Adil: 4) buy lots of good swiss chocolate Sep 02 08:39:12 Adil: come to edinburgh to elce and distribute it among the #beagle trolls Sep 02 08:39:50 mru: howdy! Sep 02 08:40:31 hey mru Sep 02 08:40:37 * LetoThe2nd is just trying to decide "join troll master meeting a.k.a. yocto project developer day europe or not" Sep 02 08:40:44 mru: how was your weekend not-in-paris? ;) Sep 02 08:40:52 not in paris Sep 02 08:41:32 paris is overrated anyway Sep 02 08:41:47 there are good looking girls overthere Sep 02 08:42:00 though they speak french :-/ Sep 02 08:42:14 there are french girls everywhere Sep 02 08:42:42 nope, not in zürich Sep 02 08:42:51 they rather stay in the western part of switzerland Sep 02 08:43:01 but I'm not in zÃ¼rich either Sep 02 08:43:08 good thing Sep 02 08:43:18 very few good looking girls overhere Sep 02 08:43:25 so why are you there? Sep 02 08:45:14 fate Sep 02 08:45:18 bad karma Sep 02 08:45:20 things like that Sep 02 08:47:57 * LetoThe2nd has decreed that. Sep 02 08:48:37 LetoThe2nd: ok, then i'll blame you for any misfortune that happens to me Sep 02 08:49:43 p About at least half of mankind does so, hence i can take that. Sep 02 08:50:07 * _troll_ eats KotH Sep 02 08:50:36 _troll_: did he taste like chocolate? Sep 02 08:51:09 * KotH is like a stone in _troll_'s stomach Sep 02 09:01:00 i've been fighting stupid kernel parameters all day Sep 02 09:01:09 intel motherboard Sep 02 09:01:10 at least you didn't say kernal Sep 02 09:01:12 that's a start Sep 02 09:01:22 mru: kennel. Sep 02 09:01:24 debian build. Sep 02 09:01:35 not on bbb Sep 02 09:01:49 mrpackethead: build your kenal yourself Sep 02 09:02:02 kept turning off the hdmi just after grub Sep 02 09:02:19 foruantly i founda very obscure note on somebodys web pages Sep 02 09:02:28 theres a minor bug Sep 02 09:02:33 but a work around Sep 02 09:02:44 good old vga text console or newfangled fbcon? Sep 02 09:02:57 KotH: build a kernel. Blah.. thats too hard. Sep 02 09:03:01 plenty of kernel trolls to do that Sep 02 09:03:18 mrpackethead: remove the "quiet" entry in the grub config at bootup Sep 02 09:03:29 mru: if it's a standard debian install: newfangled fbdev Sep 02 09:03:54 whose moronic idea was it to have even the option of silent boot? Sep 02 09:04:09 Gates Sep 02 09:04:15 Doors Sep 02 09:04:33 from the sirius cybernetics corporation? Sep 02 09:04:34 "silent boot" it could be an album name Sep 02 09:04:48 mru, you mean the first idiots up a well when the revolution comes? Sep 02 09:04:50 or a bnad name Sep 02 09:04:54 *up against a wall Sep 02 09:04:57 nah. best album title ever: "smell the glove" Sep 02 09:05:30 I'm building a button station Sep 02 09:05:32 with a bbb Sep 02 09:05:42 wtf is that? Sep 02 09:05:51 i wished my pcb mill was here working Sep 02 09:05:53 :-( Sep 02 09:05:55 sigh. Sep 02 09:06:18 mru: ubanto Sep 02 09:06:34 mru: you knwo, lots of text during boot up scares people Sep 02 09:09:20 Hello, just wondering how many pins on the Black I could open at the same time Sep 02 09:09:24 mru: and scared people are bad for business if you want to sell them cloude appliances Sep 02 09:09:35 I thought fear sells Sep 02 09:09:38 fear and sex Sep 02 09:09:42 Splat: using a skalpel, i'd say 10 Sep 02 09:09:55 mru: only fear of other things Sep 02 09:10:06 mru: like terrorists, or black chocolate being thrown at you Sep 02 09:12:40 Thanks KotH Sep 02 09:13:43 Splat: other than that, the question does not make sense Sep 02 09:15:06 brb Sep 02 09:49:06 can you have a dhcp address and a secondary static address on an interface Sep 02 09:49:10 i would have thoght so Sep 02 09:49:14 but i'm not entirely sure. Sep 02 09:49:24 sure Sep 02 09:50:13 but i dont know how the usual suspects of dhcp clients behave when you configure a static address on an interface and then use dhcp on it Sep 02 09:50:25 the "old" :1 sub-nic should work though Sep 02 09:50:36 dunno about the ipaddr way Sep 02 09:51:54 headless installation Sep 02 09:52:02 its always a bit tricky Sep 02 09:52:23 please stop that stupid m$ speak of headless computers Sep 02 09:52:38 computers dont have heads, and even if they would, behading them would be cruel Sep 02 09:53:57 just say whether you have no gui, no vga/dvi/hdmi console or no local console (ie not even serial) at all Sep 02 09:58:22 you can always add more addresses after dhcp has done its thing Sep 02 09:59:46 mru: most dhcp clients redo the whole process when the lease expires Sep 02 09:59:57 mru: some even clearing the other configured ip addresses Sep 02 10:01:23 removing addresses when renewing a lease would be evil Sep 02 10:01:46 there'd be a moment when the interface had no address if you did that Sep 02 10:01:46 * m_billybob nods Sep 02 10:01:51 morning Sep 02 10:02:19 mru: user space programs are evil Sep 02 10:02:26 moin m_billybob $ Sep 02 10:02:27 you could always use a hook script to reapply any extras Sep 02 10:02:32 juup Sep 02 10:02:44 KotH, someone step on your tail this morning ? Sep 02 10:03:11 hmm? why? Sep 02 10:03:57 must be me, Sep 02 10:04:06 could be that i'm little grumpy Sep 02 10:04:06 i just woke up Sep 02 10:04:09 dont know Sep 02 10:04:19 _could_ be? Sep 02 10:04:21 didnt sleep much the last couple of days Sep 02 10:04:34 ok, i am grumpy, your point being? ;) Sep 02 10:04:57 * KotH walks off into a corner and eats some chocolate Sep 02 10:05:14 heh dont do that Sep 02 10:05:27 well surechocolate . . .always Sep 02 10:08:11 meh! do people even think before they start doing schematics Sep 02 10:08:19 no Sep 02 10:08:23 looks like Sep 02 10:08:33 whats this thinking ? Sep 02 10:09:29 * m_billybob doesnt do many schematics though Sep 02 10:09:41 i'm sitting here infront an analog differential to single ended converter that has some measures to "reduce" noise, that make CMRR and PSRR so bad, that the following 12bit ADC will get signal error in the range of 100-500LSB Sep 02 10:10:19 woosh ! Sep 02 10:13:38 ah ! groups -> microsoft keyboard not recognized ! *delete. Sep 02 10:28:19 the eth0:1 trick works Sep 02 10:28:25 ha'dnt tryed the obvious Sep 02 10:28:26 :) Sep 02 10:28:30 eeew Sep 02 12:11:19 Hi! I have a 4DCAPE-43T display with resisitve touch connected to my BBB. I have calibrated the sceen, now it seems that i have to press harder on the touchscreen to make accurate inputs, otherwise there is some jitter, i.e. cursor jumps to the side, up or down. Is this normal for all resistive touch screens? Sep 02 12:11:39 yes Sep 02 12:11:54 apply some filtering Sep 02 12:12:13 there is a huga variation in resistive TS quality Sep 02 12:12:16 huge Sep 02 12:12:39 av500: thanks, I am using tslib, do I have to edit the ts.conf? Sep 02 12:12:57 no idea Sep 02 12:13:01 what is it? Sep 02 12:13:49 still using tslib? Sep 02 12:13:53 it's not 2003 anymore Sep 02 12:13:55 use evdev Sep 02 12:15:02 sorry, I saw it in derek molloys video thought it would be the best for use with Qt Sep 02 12:16:37 I will have a look at evdev to see what it does Sep 02 12:17:23 av500: in ts.conf you can set some params for dejitter etc for tslib Sep 02 12:17:34 well, try and find out Sep 02 12:18:06 now I will follow koen's advice to see what evdev is Sep 02 12:24:50 Anguel: stop using youtube! Sep 02 12:24:55 Anguel: real knowledge comes from irc! Sep 02 12:25:40 KotH: yesterday I tried asking you something and you sent me to buy a linux book :( Sep 02 12:26:40 Anguel: of course Sep 02 12:26:49 Anguel: knowing the system you are using is essential Sep 02 12:27:05 Anguel: but really, do not rely on youtube videos for knowledge Sep 02 12:27:14 KotH: sorry but i have to start somewhere, knowing Linux does not mean I know how touchscreens are interfaced Sep 02 12:27:23 Anguel: they are usable as intros to a completely new field, but do not trust anything you see there Sep 02 12:27:59 Anguel: nothing against starting somewhere :) Sep 02 12:28:16 Anguel: and knowing linux will help you knowing about touch screens ;) Sep 02 12:28:37 KotH: you are probably right, but derek molloy has put a lot of effort there and his demos work, maybe there are some better ways but as I said, you don't get much information from other places Sep 02 12:29:08 feel free to follow whaterver tutorials Sep 02 12:29:15 Anguel: the problem is that embedded linux is such a wide field, nobody can hope to write a good introduction Sep 02 12:29:32 its just that we dont even know who derek molloy is Sep 02 12:29:43 so its hard with follow up questions Sep 02 12:29:46 Anguel: i usually end up reading a dozen tutorials, then go into the documentation of the tools used and see wether there is a better way Sep 02 12:29:50 otherwise, whatever works for you is OK Sep 02 12:30:15 KotH: you are right, and even the big experts don't know if they have not worked with a specific part Sep 02 12:30:40 exactly Sep 02 12:30:47 derrek malloy does fairly decent video tutorials for electronics, and embedded systems - afterall he is a professor at dublin uni Sep 02 12:30:51 though, you can get pointer to nearly everything in this channel Sep 02 12:31:17 ( i think its dublin uni anyhow ) Sep 02 12:31:27 m_billybob: having been at universities, i can tell you that being a professor doesnt mean you know what you are talking about :) Sep 02 12:31:35 av500: Dr. Derek Molloy is a Senior Lecturer in the School of Electronic Engineering, Faculty of Engineering & Computing at Dublin City University. He lectures in Object-oriented Programming, 3D Computer Graphics and Digital Electronics at postgraduate and undergraduate levels. His research interests are in the fields of Computer & Machine Vision, 3D Graphics & Visualisation and e-Learning. He is a key academic member of the Centre f Sep 02 12:32:12 he does but like you said KotH, embedded system and electronics is a rather wide field Sep 02 12:32:24 no one can hope to cover it all Sep 02 12:32:45 m_billybob: dmolloys videos are nice, but far from perfect. they're more like: "hey see, i tinkered this thing into place and let you watch." Sep 02 12:32:59 yeah his videos are rather limited Sep 02 12:32:59 maybe we should start to write a beagle-book, that contains everything about exact steps and opencv Sep 02 12:33:07 oh.. and the codes! Sep 02 12:33:32 KotH: can you giv me ur mail plz so u can send me teh codez plz? Sep 02 12:33:39 ah no, the other way round.... Sep 02 12:33:54 LetoThe2nd: 0000 Sep 02 12:33:54 KotH: can i giv u my mail so i can send u teh codez plz... Sep 02 12:34:02 LetoThe2nd: that's the code Sep 02 12:34:06 LetoThe2nd: if that doesnt work, try 1234 Sep 02 12:34:10 still wrong. damn. i wonder why that never works. Sep 02 12:34:54 LetoThe2nd: ...zlp zedoc het u dnes nac i os liam ym u vig i nac :HtoK Sep 02 12:34:59 * KotH wonders why IC manufacturers give you detailed spice models of their devices, but no circuit diagram anymore Sep 02 12:35:10 * KotH hates reverse engineering circuits from spice netlists Sep 02 12:35:28 das: you have it all backwards! Sep 02 12:37:01 hungarian notation ;) Sep 02 12:38:02 notated hungarians? Sep 02 12:38:05 someone got familiar with trolling techniques pretty quickly Sep 02 12:38:33 das: either he is a quick learner or has been trolled before Sep 02 12:40:18 KotH: not in here obv Sep 02 12:46:53 koen: Do you know if evdev works with Qt embedded's QWS, i.e. without X11? Sep 02 12:50:05 my guess would be no Sep 02 12:50:10 In computing, evdev (for event device) is a component of the Linux kernel for handling input (from keyboards, mice, joysticks, etc.) and a closely related input driver for the X.Org Server. The kernel component is glue code which translates input events from peripheral-specific drivers into a generic structure which the input driver can easily translate into X11 events. Thus every input device with a Linux driver is compatible with the X.Org input driver, Sep 02 12:50:32 wikipedia ( take with a grain of salt ) Sep 02 12:51:57 evdev does in no way require X Sep 02 12:53:25 more like X requires evdev to avoid supporting everything itself Sep 02 12:54:10 many thanks, somehow I misinterpreted the "closely related" Sep 02 12:54:15 so in other words, wikipedia shows its worth once again Sep 02 12:54:22 but is it network transparent? Sep 02 12:54:28 ( not very useful ) ^^ Sep 02 12:54:48 mru: funny, I see a "troll" user now in my local dc++ Sep 02 12:54:51 is that you? Sep 02 12:55:02 dc++? Sep 02 12:55:05 that still exists? Sep 02 12:55:31 yes Sep 02 12:56:23 o_0 Sep 02 12:56:35 av500: i knew you were old, but that old? Sep 02 13:00:36 haha my old boss in his new company: "Here they studied every good solution and decided to use none of them" Sep 02 13:01:26 KotH: I use whatever Hollywood forces people into using Sep 02 13:09:00 Anguel: yes, qt-e works with evdev, the qt docs would have told you that Sep 02 13:13:11 koen: thanks, I will look into this. had googled it and somehow got only answers that people could not get it to work with QWS and had to go back to tslib Sep 02 13:15:19 I bet those are the same people who claim to need a python library to echo a single value to sysfs Sep 02 13:16:23 only node.js can do that Sep 02 14:09:45 av500, i thought that was shell script only Sep 02 14:38:24 Dear Sir, I am using beagle board black, I flashed custom image into micro SD card, it booted from SD card but after that other than power LED nothing is glowing. Sep 02 14:39:04 The beagle board is not detecing connected to PC Sep 02 14:39:19 I am expecting internal flash image corrupeted Sep 02 14:39:50 Now i am not able use board, Could you share your thoughts Sep 02 14:42:01 * KotH shares "i need to get milk" Sep 02 14:42:34 Rama: connect a serial cable and see what the bbb is doing Sep 02 14:57:23 the bbb could just need to be reset again. this happens from time to time Sep 02 14:57:41 e.g. unplug, then replug the power source. Sep 02 17:24:38 anyone have made a beaglebone clone with 2ethernet ? Sep 02 17:32:05 acidfoo: the second mac is not accessable on the black, so you would need to add the second nice via the GPMC interface or using one of the SPI to ethernet chipsets Sep 02 17:39:28 prpplague, yes, looking for a clone that added another one Sep 02 17:39:57 acidfoo: no need for a clone, just create a cape with one on it Sep 02 17:40:08 acidfoo: what are you trying to accomplish? Sep 02 17:40:21 acidfoo: you can also simply use a usb ethernet dongle Sep 02 17:40:25 I want to build a network device, and I really need 2 ehternets port Sep 02 17:40:39 does using the usb is reliable ? Sep 02 17:41:00 and usb dongle are not that cheap I think Sep 02 17:41:06 as reliable as any other pc running linux with a usb dongle Sep 02 17:41:06 Any of you have both a bbb and a cubieboard2 by chance? Sep 02 17:41:32 All of my boxes except my laptop run usb wireless Sep 02 17:41:46 to answer someone's question about usb network cards Sep 02 17:41:58 I dont know why I'm trying to avoid a usb dongle, I'll give a shot Sep 02 17:42:07 thank you for respushing this idea in my head ;) Sep 02 17:42:13 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124335 Sep 02 17:42:16 sure Sep 02 17:42:23 acidfoo: wired or wireless? Sep 02 17:42:33 wired Sep 02 17:42:37 acidfoo: ah.. Sep 02 17:43:01 I can only give brand recommendations for wireless unfortunately Sep 02 17:43:08 no problem ;) Sep 02 17:43:17 good luck Sep 02 17:43:20 actually I should try too with wireless Sep 02 17:43:36 a dongle as small as possible Sep 02 17:43:44 I moved all of my stuff from wired to wireless and let me tell you... I was a wired fanatic before Sep 02 17:43:52 lol:) Sep 02 17:44:06 so that meant a lot to me for it to work this well Sep 02 17:44:25 3 arm boxes 1 laptop and 1 server Sep 02 17:44:31 heheh Sep 02 17:44:39 :) Sep 02 17:57:52 and anyone have tried a usb-ethernet-adaptor with the beaglebone ? i'd like to hear any suggestion for the device Sep 02 17:57:54 thanks ;) Sep 02 17:59:04 bb or bbb? Sep 02 17:59:17 bbb Sep 02 17:59:34 why not use the built in one? or do you need dual? Sep 02 17:59:49 yes, i'd like to have dual Sep 02 18:00:06 i'll try a wifi-dongle and a usb-ethernet-adaptor Sep 02 18:00:07 ahhh Sep 02 18:00:10 yeah Sep 02 18:00:19 in both case I want to be dual Sep 02 18:00:26 cabled, and wireless Sep 02 18:00:38 I saw that adafruit sell wifi-dongle that work fine Sep 02 18:00:47 now need to find a usb-eth-adaptor that work fine too ;) Sep 02 18:22:18 acidfoo. TI has a devboard with dual GbE Sep 02 18:22:23 #200 Sep 02 18:22:27 $200* Sep 02 18:22:46 wow! that's cheap! Sep 02 18:22:52 not exactly a Beaglebone clone but . ..there ya have it Sep 02 18:24:41 * Tenkawa is tempted to get a cubieboard2 \ Sep 02 18:24:52 dual core, sata... need I say more Sep 02 18:25:03 i think its 69$ Sep 02 18:25:41 i'd get more bbb if I could effectively run sata on it Sep 02 18:26:39 cubieboad 2 last i looked was $49 Sep 02 18:26:56 Tenkawa: cubie and bbb have different target audiences Sep 02 18:27:03 juup Sep 02 18:27:12 cubie == pocket pc Sep 02 18:27:50 bbb== affordable low power ( as possible ) embedded system Sep 02 18:27:50 whys that? Sep 02 18:28:01 m_billybob: its only 20$ more Sep 02 18:28:05 at least here Sep 02 18:28:14 here its only $4 more Sep 02 18:28:29 different target audiences like KotH said though Sep 02 18:28:32 and for what I use arm boxes for (genera purpose servers) I'm starting to look for more horsepower Sep 02 18:28:40 KotH: true Sep 02 18:28:45 also, is cubie still using allwinner ? Sep 02 18:28:49 ye Sep 02 18:28:50 s Sep 02 18:28:52 a20 Sep 02 18:28:58 thats a negative in my book Sep 02 18:29:28 why is that.. (serious q) you're not the first I've heard that from Sep 02 18:29:56 what "would" be a good step up from the bbb for a general purpose arm server? Sep 02 18:30:01 because everythign else ive heard of that has used allwinner in the past was junk Sep 02 18:30:11 I've got 2 rpis and a bbb currently all running slackware Sep 02 18:30:14 i dotn have much faith in electronics made in that region of the planet Sep 02 18:30:20 Tenkawa: if you are looking for a home server replacement, then the bbb is probably not the right choice Sep 02 18:30:21 isnt most... Sep 02 18:30:24 made there? Sep 02 18:30:32 KotH: of course not Sep 02 18:30:34 Tenkawa: neither is the rpi though ;) Sep 02 18:30:50 KotH: I really like arm architecture.. just need something a little more powerful Sep 02 18:30:50 neither is any of the mentioned options IMHO Sep 02 18:30:55 m_billybob: 99% of all electronics is made in china these days Sep 02 18:31:03 I have a quad core x86_64 already as my powerhouse Sep 02 18:31:05 m_billybob: and a big portion of software too Sep 02 18:31:21 m_billybob: and i'm not talking about production, but design too Sep 02 18:31:42 the ouya's hardware looks like it'd be really neat to use linux on heh Sep 02 18:31:45 so you think TI outsources design to china ? ;) Sep 02 18:35:51 anyhow, most of the stuff in the past two years I've read about that used the allwinner processors turned out to be junk. NOt saying every single thing, but enough to get my attention Sep 02 18:36:14 With that said, i would like to get, and toy with a cubieboard Sep 02 18:36:45 make sure if you do to get the 2 Sep 02 18:37:01 $50 is not a whole lot to spend on a mini computer Sep 02 18:37:05 of course. Sep 02 18:37:08 nope Sep 02 18:37:44 i'd be more interrested in it if it had GbE though, even at twice the cost Sep 02 18:38:39 KotH close your eyes . . . Sep 02 18:38:51 * m_billybob is currently attempting to build nodejs on his bbb Sep 02 18:39:07 * m_billybob kicks back and waits for it. Sep 02 18:39:36 * KotH calls elenril to stab m_billybob Sep 02 18:40:34 i'd use snorkle if it were better supported on ARM Sep 02 18:40:52 last i looked it was alpha or beta on armv4 Sep 02 18:42:02 Linux (Debian EABI ARM beta) <---- not even the ABI i need Sep 02 18:44:29 most recent forum post was from a month ago . . . Sep 02 18:44:33 yeah not looking good. Sep 02 18:44:42