**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 05 03:00:00 2013 Sep 05 03:08:18 hi mrpacket_ Sep 05 03:08:31 hows tricks jk Sep 05 03:08:33 having fun Sep 05 03:09:32 staying busy Sep 05 04:20:47 * m_billybob waves Sep 05 04:20:52 HI !!! Sep 05 04:22:15 alright who do i need to start slapping aroudn in here ? Sep 05 04:47:37 * mrpackethead ducks Sep 05 04:48:40 ducks . . i shoot Sep 05 04:48:46 hi Sep 05 05:00:02 is there a tool to read cape eeprom info? Sep 05 05:00:06 like, get the board serial number? Sep 05 05:00:09 err..cape. Sep 05 05:10:33 someone called an emergency friday / holiday ? Sep 05 05:13:04 <_av500_> its always friday Sep 05 05:13:36 this channel seems less chatty laely Sep 05 05:18:03 m_billybob: i'm guessing everyone has figured out the beaglebone and is getting cool stuff done. Sep 05 05:22:14 hello Sep 05 05:22:39 Can I connect TFT display to BBB? Sep 05 05:30:38 can I connect 5.7" TFT LCD to BeagleBone Black? Sep 05 05:30:41 how do i install socket.io properly? i got some errors after ' npm install socket.io ' Sep 05 05:32:11 errors: npm http GET https://registry.npmjs.org/socket.io npm ERR! Error: getaddrinfo ENOTFOUND .... Sep 05 05:47:17 whatstar idk yet working on it myself atm Sep 05 05:47:32 Hi all, i have one question about DC input for Beaglebone bone black. Can i use 5V 2,5A impulse DC? or is more better 1A or 1 Sep 05 05:47:38 installign 0.10.15 myself right now Sep 05 05:48:04 whatstar, npm -v works ok im assuming ? Sep 05 05:48:17 Adventurer: impulse doesn't matter, what's sustained?? Sep 05 05:49:21 Adventurer best to check circuitco's assessory list, and perhaps search or ask on the beagelboard google groups to get a better definitive answer Sep 05 05:49:50 Gerald typically wont list stuff on the accessory page that wont work Sep 05 05:50:00 hm. but in wiki beagleboard i found what if i need more stuff i will need more amperage... Sep 05 05:50:02 Adventurer: keep in mind that beaglebone only pulls 500mA, and it needs a pretty quick voltage ramp....but besides that, the 4x rating they recommend is kinda silly. Sep 05 05:50:24 total current will be 500mA + whatever capes use. Sep 05 05:50:50 Adventurer what do you intent to do ? I run mine with SD card, ethernet, and power via USB 3. without any problems Sep 05 05:50:56 so stay over that with some decent margin, because most supplies start drooping quite a bit at their max rated current. Sep 05 05:51:12 droop, and get hot. Sep 05 05:51:34 the BBB can go over 500mA, particularly when reflashing, which is why an ext DC supply is recommended at those times.. Sep 05 05:51:48 i want to leave beaglebone in home. and conect to it via internet. In home i will use him for example using lights or other automatic projects with his pins Sep 05 05:51:51 * m_billybob reflashes using USB3 Sep 05 05:52:05 doesn't USB 3 have a higher current ceiling than 500ma ? Sep 05 05:52:14 more key rbarris, is not having anything not needed plugged in while flashing Sep 05 05:52:20 900ma Sep 05 05:52:20 kk Sep 05 05:52:22 max Sep 05 05:52:33 so if you are on a non usb 3 port... trouble Sep 05 05:52:55 i was responding to the stmt "keep in mind that beaglebone only pulls 500mA" from nomel Sep 05 05:52:58 Gerlad reccomends not having USB host or ethernet plugged in while flashing. but ive had none of those problems personally. Sep 05 05:53:20 Gerald* Sep 05 05:53:39 i have. when flashing my usb2 port cuts the power. Sep 05 05:54:12 nomel ive had ethernet sd card inserted and a USB hard drive plugged in while flashing before Sep 05 05:54:18 i also netboot . . . Sep 05 05:54:27 or boot from USB seldomly. Sep 05 05:54:38 ( with ethernet plugged in ) Sep 05 05:54:46 what I'm hearing is "USB3 good, USB2 less so" Sep 05 05:54:54 as a pwr source for BBB Sep 05 05:55:14 more like, relying on the cheap usb controller in your pc to be able to supply 500mA, the limit of the usb spec, is a bad idea :) Sep 05 05:55:15 sure Sep 05 05:55:22 :) agree Sep 05 05:55:30 especially if you have other stuff on that usb cotnroller. Sep 05 05:55:53 the SRM says up to around 472mA max with everything pluged in. discounting GPIO etc. Sep 05 05:56:02 yeah. that's all i saw. Sep 05 05:56:12 Gerald seems to think that PS ramp time is sometimes more crucial Sep 05 05:56:25 (which is a design flaw in my opinion) Sep 05 05:56:41 only able to power with some values of 5V. :) Sep 05 05:56:50 472mA though is pretty close to USB2's max of 500mA assuming it is to spec Sep 05 05:56:58 not all USB ports are created equal Sep 05 05:57:29 its not a design flaw Sep 05 05:57:51 this is why we have a barrel jack, and a bbb for $45 plus shipping Sep 05 05:58:09 :) Sep 05 05:58:17 no, the fast ramp time. Sep 05 05:58:18 cost was a major consideration with this board Sep 05 05:58:43 nomel, reboot your bbb repeatadly and see if ramp time matters ;) Sep 05 05:58:53 if the initial ramp time is a problem, then your power good threshold isn't working right. Sep 05 05:58:54 my comments were not picking on the board, only trying to fight false memes such as "bbb uses 500ma max." like my BBB! Sep 05 05:59:01 ever have your bbb hang at boot with power LED only lit? Sep 05 05:59:05 thats ramp time ;) Sep 05 05:59:07 i wouldn't say false meme. Sep 05 05:59:16 if it is false, you should tell them to change the srm. Sep 05 05:59:37 rbarris no worries we're on the same page Sep 05 05:59:41 kk Sep 05 05:59:44 i'll hush up Sep 05 06:00:01 it can use more with capes, but i'm not convinced it uses more than 500mA even with burning. Sep 05 06:00:07 btw im no EE just repeating what ive seen said Sep 05 06:00:09 concretely isn't it a different story whether CPU is at 720MHz or 1GHz ? Sep 05 06:00:22 i.e. it can do the former on 500ma but not the latter ? Sep 05 06:00:27 <--- software dev, and newb to this platform + linux Sep 05 06:00:39 all my tests were at 1GHz Sep 05 06:00:41 linux dev i mean Sep 05 06:00:46 and the black does 1GHz even with usb. Sep 05 06:00:54 the white couldn't do full speed on usb. Sep 05 06:00:56 sold Sep 05 06:01:16 so would you say it's more the case of sub-500ma-capable usb ports out there.. Sep 05 06:01:28 current CPU frequency is 1000 MHz (asserted by call to hardware). Sep 05 06:01:36 while compiling nodejs Sep 05 06:01:41 otherwise 300Mhz Sep 05 06:02:12 that's what i assume. Sep 05 06:03:00 blarg...why did i write this string filled thing in c!? Sep 05 06:03:01 ive found less than 60% CPU it stays at 300Mhz above it goes up to 1Ghz Sep 05 06:04:02 * m_billybob even wrote a "cheap" test app although it didnt work because it uses usleep() Sep 05 06:04:36 ~98% CPU usage and still at 300Mhz CPU Sep 05 06:05:05 take usleep() out, and it pegs 1Ghz Sep 05 06:05:42 that's interesting. Sep 05 06:07:10 rbarris btw i didnt mean for you to hush up lol Sep 05 06:07:18 im good! np Sep 05 06:07:24 relurked Sep 05 06:07:29 :) Sep 05 06:07:44 * m_billybob is passing time while nodejs builds Sep 05 06:09:27 playing with RCNs image building scripts got my install down to . . .415M / I am curious to where that lands me after nodejs finishes building Sep 05 06:10:45 and also curious how much I can rip out after it builds without effecting depends Sep 05 06:12:55 the support system which it is booted off says 546M /home/william/rootfs2 Sep 05 06:16:50 heya vvu|Log Sep 05 06:17:02 hello m_billybob Sep 05 06:17:10 how is it going ? Sep 05 06:17:20 just at a class in university Sep 05 06:17:28 algo and data structure :( Sep 05 06:17:39 ah, hopefully learning something ;) Sep 05 06:17:46 hopefully Sep 05 06:18:00 majoring in SE ? Sep 05 06:18:04 CS Sep 05 06:18:18 i was Eelectrical Engineering and CS but switched to CS Sep 05 06:18:43 probably a good move, later then youcan come back right ? if needed Sep 05 06:19:04 yep, but anyway i like to hack around EE sometimes Sep 05 06:19:12 i`m not a real stranger to that domain Sep 05 06:19:44 sometimes i learn more abotu EE than I want . . . Sep 05 06:20:06 which is good Sep 05 06:20:22 need to know it to write software for "it" Sep 05 06:20:24 scotty beamed av500 up! Sep 05 06:21:24 at least, thats what i keep tellign myself ;) Sep 05 06:22:44 vvu|Log: I said I would not make it Sep 05 06:23:14 av500: forgot, -1 for me Sep 05 06:24:28 should have run this make through time Sep 05 06:24:52 ~2 hours im betting Sep 05 06:24:57 av500: these days i will try to make everything set with the android BBB Sep 05 06:25:39 vvu|Log hopefully on a cross system ;) Sep 05 06:25:48 but there is something awkward because the DownloadManager does not work on Android, nor the Browser when i try to connect to a webpage Sep 05 06:25:51 im compiling this on the bbb Sep 05 06:25:59 from command line i can ping google.com Sep 05 06:26:12 m_billybob: compiling what ? Sep 05 06:26:27 nodejs ( again ) i built a new rootfs Sep 05 06:26:41 ah, works ? Sep 05 06:26:47 yeah Sep 05 06:26:59 vvu|Log: I have a nexus4 and the download manager does seem broken in the newest versions of android. Downloads happen if they are started one a time, but you can't watch progress, or do simultaneous download Sep 05 06:27:04 s Sep 05 06:27:14 well some packages dont instal right through the nodejs package manager Sep 05 06:27:28 spikebike: for me it makes the input in the statusbar as the download started but stays at 0% Sep 05 06:27:30 but i'll figure that out eventually. Sep 05 06:27:53 i`m running 4.2.2 on the BeagleBone Black Sep 05 06:28:02 I download, see a dialog pop up "download started", then see nothing anywhere until it finishes Sep 05 06:28:05 ya 4.2.2 Sep 05 06:28:14 vvu|Log you might appreciate this for what it is. I installed a nodejs versiona manager, when i ran it, it attempted to install an x86 version . . . Sep 05 06:28:34 morning Sep 05 06:28:37 hows that for "creative" programming ? ;) Sep 05 06:28:39 mornin! Sep 05 06:28:45 morning panto Sep 05 06:29:20 m_billybob: intercultural programming Sep 05 06:29:55 lack of foresight is what i called it ( in less kind words ) but ah i guess so :) Sep 05 06:30:47 i'll be glad and lucky if i get all the packages installed through it working proerly Sep 05 06:31:25 properly* Sep 05 06:32:55 anyway today is a busy day! courses then hacking in the magic realm of android Sep 05 06:33:18 dont let the magic blue smoke out ! Sep 05 06:34:18 in these last 2 years i learnt that electronic devices work on smoke, when smokes comes out of em they are not workin anymore Sep 05 06:34:28 yeah Sep 05 06:34:33 ;) Sep 05 06:34:58 and sometimes if you're lucky when not connected right they keep their smoke Sep 05 06:35:06 ( for a time ) Sep 05 06:36:27 OHAYOU! Sep 05 06:36:33 any idea for a good USB hub ? Sep 05 06:36:38 morning KotH Sep 05 06:37:05 that luckily the kernel will like it Sep 05 06:37:14 vvu|Log no idea, im actually using a cheap $5 hub Sep 05 06:37:21 but on my PC Sep 05 06:37:36 all my hubs aren`t good for the Android kernel Sep 05 06:38:29 vvu|Log maybe Gerald has on listed on the circuitco accessory page,but no garuantee that would work with android Sep 05 06:51:19 maybe a need to buy an external powered one Sep 05 06:51:46 i just google and that seems to be what the people on the forums i was reading were saying Sep 05 06:52:09 theres a dlink, and another hub they reccomended Sep 05 06:52:53 seems i have sucess Sep 05 06:52:56 root@arm:/nodejs# node -v Sep 05 06:52:56 v0.10.15 Sep 05 06:52:56 root@arm:/nodejs# npm -v Sep 05 06:52:56 1.3.5 Sep 05 06:54:33 anyhow bed time for me you all have a good one. Sep 05 06:57:53 cya m_billybob ! Sep 05 07:12:53 greetings Sep 05 07:22:23 i wanted to download Narcissus angstrom image for beagleboard with advance option do anyone has any pointer ? I am not getting what is Base System option is for ? Sep 05 07:22:38 beaglebone killer for $45: http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/09/05/solidrun-announces-cubox-i-platform-with-freescale-i-mx6-for-as-low-as-45/ Sep 05 07:27:48 av500: can u plz send me teh exakt stepz to run ubuntu on taht plz sir. Sep 05 09:25:27 hehe a woman whose last name is bouhafs contacted me Sep 05 09:25:35 is it a sign that I should mount her ? Sep 05 09:33:56 language please Sep 05 09:55:07 mrpacket_: i need a version of http://m.xkcd.com/303/ with "waiting for altium to do its thing" ^^' Sep 05 09:56:21 nice Sep 05 09:57:46 KotH: you seen those altium Nanoboards Sep 05 09:57:51 i'm thinking about buying one Sep 05 10:00:12 mrpacket_: nope, didnt know about them Sep 05 10:00:21 mrpacket_: but i doubt that they fit my "usual" use case Sep 05 10:00:44 * KotH is currently fighting against having not enough transistors for an H-bridge Sep 05 10:03:08 make an I bridge then Sep 05 10:03:31 wouldnt that be Ibridge ? Sep 05 10:03:40 iWo Sep 05 10:03:43 I vs H Sep 05 10:03:49 just a matter of perspecive Sep 05 10:04:41 i just used some FETS to build a bridge rectifier Sep 05 10:05:08 makes me wonder why we made such dreaduflly inefficent electroincs a few years ago Sep 05 10:05:12 mrpacket_: : altium has a strange idea of "nano" Sep 05 10:05:19 * SpeedEvil is currently pondering making a FET bilateral bridge to go on the end of a welder. Sep 05 10:05:23 av500: the power FETs were not the problem, but the small signal transistors to control those FETs were Sep 05 10:05:30 mrpacket_: power was free in the 80s/90s :-D Sep 05 10:06:01 mrpacket_: because FETs werent available in those power ratings until recently Sep 05 10:06:18 funny Sep 05 10:06:27 * KotH remembers when the first IGBTs that could directly switch mains came around Sep 05 10:06:35 My father said to me when i was about 20ish Sep 05 10:06:43 "you have it so much easier than we did" Sep 05 10:06:44 mrpacket_: lol Sep 05 10:06:49 yeah Sep 05 10:06:56 electronics is getting easier every year Sep 05 10:07:03 just use a Thyratron tube Sep 05 10:07:08 I have his first valve amplifer on my bookshelf Sep 05 10:07:23 i'm not sure if its operation Sep 05 10:07:25 al Sep 05 10:07:26 mrpacket_: post pics Sep 05 10:07:31 bwill od Sep 05 10:07:59 how can I get EDID information on Beaglebone black for LCD?? Sep 05 10:08:00 he built it when he was about 18 i think Sep 05 10:08:16 so, that puts it mid/late 1950's Sep 05 10:08:42 only have it now for sentimental reason Sep 05 10:08:53 a 3W amplifer that weighs a tone Sep 05 10:08:57 does it still work? Sep 05 10:09:03 Not sure Sep 05 10:09:03 probably Sep 05 10:09:09 if not, easy to fix Sep 05 10:09:14 I've not turned it on Sep 05 10:09:18 mostly caps gone bad Sep 05 10:09:24 theres a bunch of old caps Sep 05 10:09:24 :-) Sep 05 10:09:26 av500: snap Sep 05 10:09:36 how can I get EDID information on Beaglebone black for LCD?? Sep 05 10:09:37 mrpacket_: you know, that back then opamps were called "bricks"? because they were build out of valves and packaged into a nice black box the size of a brick :) Sep 05 10:09:41 but I have 50y old caps that are still OK Sep 05 10:10:02 kishor: doesnt the kernel spit that out somewhere Sep 05 10:10:04 ? Sep 05 10:10:08 kishor: you can get it by being paitent and not asking twice Sep 05 10:10:26 the trolls are remininising Sep 05 10:10:57 I often wish Dad was here these days to see what we are up to Sep 05 10:10:58 I didnt get anywhere Sep 05 10:11:20 mrpacket_: poor boy! Sep 05 10:11:27 http://beagleboard.org/support/BoneScript/demo_readEDID/ Sep 05 10:11:36 mrpacket_: i never had a dad beside av500 Sep 05 10:11:37 https://www.google.de/search?q=beaglebone+edid Sep 05 10:11:45 i just have a 3W valve amplifer Sep 05 10:11:54 :) Sep 05 10:11:58 that we dont' knwo if it works or not Sep 05 10:12:07 mrpacket_: start with pics Sep 05 10:12:25 then we can start by pulling the tubes and checking voltages Sep 05 10:12:39 mrpacket_: yeah! pics or the valve amp didnt exist! Sep 05 10:12:44 av500: i'll post a pic tommorrow Sep 05 10:12:50 its on my shelf at work Sep 05 10:12:58 I doubt i'd be allowed it at home Sep 05 10:12:59 av500 : thank you. Sep 05 10:13:00 :-) Sep 05 10:13:33 geepers are we going to rebuild it Sep 05 10:13:40 kishor: thank larry and sergey Sep 05 10:13:46 like i need "another project" Sep 05 10:14:17 * av500 just ordered tube socket from China a few minutes ago :) Sep 05 10:14:46 theres a intersitning concept Sep 05 10:15:07 maybe we coudl make a valve cape Sep 05 10:15:09 :-) Sep 05 10:15:12 yes Sep 05 10:15:16 thinking about that Sep 05 10:15:20 DAC+valve cape Sep 05 10:15:28 project for portland_boy Sep 05 10:15:30 my friends repairs Marshall valve amps and orders a whole lot of valve parts from China Sep 05 10:15:47 mranstroy builds insane things Sep 05 10:15:48 she has a living room full of amps Sep 05 10:15:56 Ahhh Sep 05 10:15:59 Marshall Sep 05 10:15:59 I was looking for a good excuse to leave 350V creeping around my beaglebone :) Sep 05 10:16:13 vxe: 350? Sep 05 10:16:14 thats nothing Sep 05 10:16:18 i have two marshal amps Sep 05 10:16:18 I built an amp with 700 :) Sep 05 10:16:28 I am scared one day she will power them all up and strum guitar are remove Kirkcaldy from Scotland Sep 05 10:16:30 getting zapped with that was something I wont forgor ever Sep 05 10:16:38 AS50D Sep 05 10:16:57 av500: what were your power tubes? Sep 05 10:17:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqmxgVSSDY Sep 05 10:17:15 vxe: EL34 Sep 05 10:17:34 little know fact that they are rated up to 800V Sep 05 10:17:43 I wont put the chinese through that though Sep 05 10:18:00 and musicman had an amp that did 35/70W with el34 Sep 05 10:18:05 with 350/700V switching Sep 05 10:18:15 with a pair Sep 05 10:18:37 700V gave some nice fireworks on non-trimmed solderings :) Sep 05 10:18:38 cool, I built one with some surplus russian tubes Sep 05 10:18:42 6p6s Sep 05 10:19:13 thats like a 6v6 roughly Sep 05 10:19:26 I think they're actually rated for 250V Sep 05 10:20:04 350 Sep 05 10:20:11 says some random russian pdf Sep 05 10:20:32 ~ like a 6V6 or EL84 Sep 05 10:21:46 I mean nominal value Sep 05 10:22:27 as long as you stay away from max plate load Sep 05 10:22:30 it should be fine Sep 05 10:22:38 max plate dissipation Sep 05 10:22:58 but whether you get 15W or 18W out of it does not matter much in the end Sep 05 10:23:08 getting 80W from a pair of EL34 mattered :) Sep 05 10:23:26 need to find the guy back that I built the amp for Sep 05 10:23:31 av500: nont-trimmed soldering? Sep 05 10:23:32 see if he still needs/uses it Sep 05 10:23:39 KotH: wires not clipped Sep 05 10:23:45 sharp edges make for nice arcs :) Sep 05 10:23:55 the guy strummed the guitar and the amp started smoking :) Sep 05 10:23:58 av500: huh? Sep 05 10:23:59 he went "wow" Sep 05 10:24:04 at the tube sockets Sep 05 10:24:06 av500: 700 is still a very low value? Sep 05 10:24:12 it was high enough Sep 05 10:24:16 av500: what did you do to the wires? Sep 05 10:24:22 av500: sharpen them? Sep 05 10:24:27 well Sep 05 10:24:29 av500: use extra humid air? Sep 05 10:24:32 wire cutters do that Sep 05 10:24:34 av500: place them 1mm apart? Sep 05 10:24:37 yes, it was in the shed :) Sep 05 10:24:41 lol Sep 05 10:24:44 KotH: apparently to close Sep 05 10:25:04 I talked to some old tuby amp guy and he said 800V was tried in the past and people had issues Sep 05 10:25:25 like they coated the sockets in silicone to prevent arcs Sep 05 10:25:42 after I trimmed the wires it was O Sep 05 10:25:43 K Sep 05 10:26:25 hello all... Sep 05 10:26:27 av500: there is a din standard for minimum distance and minimum radius, you should stick to that ;) Sep 05 10:26:38 right Sep 05 10:26:46 like I read that Sep 05 10:26:59 ha ha. Sep 05 10:27:04 heres a cool web site Sep 05 10:27:09 we need at #beagle Sep 05 10:27:28 lmgtfy.com Sep 05 10:27:34 #beagle does not need no webside beside beagleborad.org! Sep 05 10:27:47 hello, my name is borad Sep 05 10:27:58 I have beaglebone white with me ...i want to receive some packets via ethernet which is being sent from PC using some software...how can i read this Sep 05 10:27:59 mrpacket_: hmm? you new to the intarwebz? Sep 05 10:28:01 ??? Sep 05 10:28:05 Hello! In BBB, How to display the sample rate of the audio cape and change it? Thanks! Sep 05 10:28:48 cxphong: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Hello!+%20In+BBB%2C+%20How+to+display+the+sample+rate+of+the+audio+cape+and+change+it%3F+Thanks! Sep 05 10:29:10 lol Sep 05 10:29:20 like: http://bit.ly/14tkgdg Sep 05 10:29:37 mrpacket_, now you just need a bot that turns every line with a question mark in here into such a url Sep 05 10:29:37 mrpacket_: you like your new toy, do you? :) Sep 05 10:29:39 KotH: IT WAS FATE! Sep 05 10:29:50 lemonparty ? Sep 05 10:30:03 lol Sep 05 10:31:58 mrpacket_: i didnt know that bbb uses fate too?!? Sep 05 10:35:40 hi all Sep 05 10:35:53 greetings earthling Sep 05 10:36:03 do you come in pieces? Sep 05 10:36:38 in the case I f*ck uboot on the emmc p1 partition, could I restore it by running any linux system on the microSD? (using the hardware button then) Sep 05 10:36:55 mrpacket_: meh.. updating the pcb to the changes from the schematics: 20min Sep 05 10:37:19 I own a BeagleBone Black Sep 05 10:37:58 KotH: why? Sep 05 10:38:08 are you running altium on a beagleboneblack? Sep 05 10:38:39 scarpino: yes Sep 05 10:38:51 scarpino: I did exactly that Sep 05 10:39:43 vxe: so, in the same way you install a linux system in the emmc? Sep 05 10:39:51 mrpacket_: design with ~1k components Sep 05 10:40:08 still seems like a long time Sep 05 10:40:11 mrpacket_: and i guess altium smelled that it's space and does it extra carefully Sep 05 10:40:42 are you auto-ruting Sep 05 10:41:19 hey, got this : http://pastebin.com/WK62h06k Sep 05 10:41:20 got a audio key USB plugged in, how to check my usb slot is not just dead ? Sep 05 10:42:33 mrpacket_: nope Sep 05 10:42:35 mrpacket_: ofc not Sep 05 10:43:40 so, a single edit, causes 20 minuts work? Sep 05 10:44:06 what happens if you bomb a chemcial weapons store? Sep 05 10:44:28 mrpacket_: nope just "update from schematic" Sep 05 10:44:42 * SpeedEvil passes KotH gdb. Sep 05 10:44:48 LED? Sep 05 10:45:30 scarpino: yeah, just make sure you've got MLO, u-boot.img, and uEnv.txt on FAT16 filesystem Sep 05 10:45:59 vxe: thank you very much. I'm going to update uboot then :-) Sep 05 10:46:45 SpeedEvil: what shall i do with gdb? Sep 05 10:47:02 smoke it Sep 05 10:47:12 thats not healthy Sep 05 10:47:18 scarpino: good luck! Sep 05 10:47:26 KotH: determine what the bottleneck is to adding components Sep 05 10:47:50 +1 Sep 05 10:47:53 ups Sep 05 10:49:16 SpeedEvil: no Sep 05 10:49:49 SpeedEvil: i just send a bugreport with "you stuff is getting more and more expensive and buggier with every release. FIX THAT!" Sep 05 10:50:04 Oh - I thought you said it was opensource Sep 05 10:50:11 pcb Sep 05 10:50:12 nvm Sep 05 10:50:28 SpeedEvil: i also find it funny, that it has weird bugs when running on windows Sep 05 10:50:45 SpeedEvil: there isn't an oss eda tool that can do the things we need Sep 05 10:50:51 SpeedEvil: otherwise we would be using that Sep 05 10:51:07 KotH: yeah - they're usable for many things. Sep 05 10:51:12 KotH: but there are decided limits Sep 05 10:51:35 ok, night bye Sep 05 10:53:25 night mrpackethead Sep 05 10:53:33 I tried http://beagleboard.org/support/BoneScript/demo_readEDID/ but the demo showing Exception: TypeError: b.shell is not a function Sep 05 10:54:05 SpeedEvil: limits? anything beyond an arduino shield is imho pure pain with the oss tools Sep 05 10:54:20 :) Sep 05 10:56:48 I tried http://beagleboard.org/support/BoneScript/demo_readEDID/ but the demo showing Exception: TypeError: b.shell is not a function Sep 05 11:00:59 I tried http://beagleboard.org/support/BoneScript/demo_readEDID/ but the demo showing Exception: TypeError: b.shell is not a function Sep 05 11:01:14 kishor: you type like a broken record Sep 05 11:01:14 kishor: you already siad that. Sep 05 11:01:23 LetoThe2nd: :-) Sep 05 11:01:38 KotH: maybe he's scratched? Sep 05 11:02:20 sorry ,but i need urgent help. Please.. Sep 05 11:02:37 kishor: i can give you fast help for $$$ Sep 05 11:02:49 kishor: "urgent" means nothing here, we are not a coin operated support automaton. Sep 05 11:03:11 yeah , I am requesting .. Sep 05 11:03:19 kishor: just debug one step after the other, add print statements, etc. Sep 05 11:03:52 vxe: I'm safe! Sep 05 11:03:58 see you. bye! Sep 05 11:04:45 : Its a demo script given by http://beagleboard.org/support/BoneScript Sep 05 11:04:57 kishor: i saw that, so what? Sep 05 11:05:28 why it is not working. Why they provide such buggy script?? Sep 05 11:06:20 kishor: i admit by looking at the left hand list, that it looks like it's not really public demo Sep 05 11:06:30 kishor: and: software can always be buggy. Sep 05 11:07:23 kishor: so if you somehow pulled out an old demo, thats explicitly hidden (probably for good reason), well then you are kind of on your own. Sep 05 11:08:26 ok fine. So can you help me regarding how to get EDID information on beaglebone black for LCD4 cape? Sep 05 11:09:27 looks like parse-edid is your google buzzword Sep 05 11:10:43 kishor: and as you can see here: https://github.com/jadonk/bonescript Sep 05 11:10:55 kishor: .shell is certainly not supported by bonescript. Sep 05 11:12:23 but of course you also looked that up yourself before asking the same question over and over again, right? Sep 05 11:13:10 yeah, got it. sorry but I am newbie to this. Sep 05 11:15:12 from where to get the cross compiler for beaglebone white...???can someone please provide the link....... Sep 05 11:16:13 apt-cache search gnueabi, then pick. Sep 05 11:16:54 from where to get the cross compiler for beaglebone white...???can someone please provide the link....... Sep 05 11:17:03 in ubuntu... Sep 05 11:17:27 dot dot dot Sep 05 11:17:31 see above. Sep 05 11:18:04 letothe2nd....i didn't understand...please make it clear Sep 05 11:18:10 i am new to this... Sep 05 11:18:47 abcde: what is unclear in the command "apt-cache search gnueabi"? Sep 05 11:19:22 maybe the hyphen is confusing Sep 05 11:19:38 so..am i supposed to type " apt-cache search gnueabi" in ubuntu... Sep 05 11:20:18 try it Sep 05 11:20:29 i am not familiar with commands.....so only asking again and again.....sorry Sep 05 11:21:19 then instead of just repeating yourself, better look up (google!) ehat people told you Sep 05 11:21:37 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/213 Sep 05 11:22:31 more like http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/43 Sep 05 11:37:50 I want to use the beagle bone to run android so i can add torque soft ware and use it to make a cluster for my car, there is a bluetooth connection needed to connect another hardware , so can i add blue tooth... also i would like to just use it as my radio and mp3 player if i can add 2 monitors? Thanks for your help in advance... Sep 05 11:39:31 le sigh. Sep 05 11:39:56 Ketro: BB has one (1) hdmi output, and it has usb. add there what ever you feel like. Sep 05 11:41:11 there are spi displays too Sep 05 11:41:21 Thanks for your quick responce Sep 05 11:41:54 quick is not a measure of quality Sep 05 11:42:03 av500: faster faster faster Sep 05 11:46:34 so can i plug a cape in and still use the hdmi output Sep 05 11:47:04 not if it's a display cape Sep 05 11:47:21 if the cape does not use the hdmi pins, yes. otherwise, no. Sep 05 11:47:36 unless its an SPI display cape Sep 05 11:47:41 or a serial display cape Sep 05 11:47:52 or a HD44780 display cape Sep 05 11:48:05 av500: and if its an SPI IPS display? Sep 05 11:48:18 an HD44780 not using the LCDC, that is Sep 05 11:50:03 the lcdc support that? Sep 05 11:50:42 yes Sep 05 11:50:49 ty Sep 05 11:51:34 mru: oh wow Sep 05 11:51:39 didnt notice that Sep 05 11:52:00 don't you read the TRMs? Sep 05 11:52:09 does it also dynamically map pixel data to the user defined characters? Sep 05 11:52:24 mru: you caught me Sep 05 11:52:26 I dont :) Sep 05 11:52:37 I just make things up when asked Sep 05 12:01:59 av500: or tell me to google first :) Sep 05 12:02:11 ty Guys going to do some more research Sep 05 12:39:27 koen: admit it! http://www.drlima.net/2013/09/sound-skulpturen-gehackt-statt-voegelzwitschern-ertoenen-nun-pornogeraeusche-im-park-von-enschede/ Sep 05 12:40:04 I noticed that message yesterday Sep 05 12:40:12 sadly I can't bike over there to check Sep 05 12:41:12 hrhrhr Sep 05 12:41:53 won't someone think of the children! Sep 05 12:42:48 why? Sep 05 12:43:06 LetoThe2nd: typical baby-boomer mentality Sep 05 12:43:14 ? Sep 05 12:44:18 mru: do you also interpret it in that way this person by the nick "das" thinks that at least one of us counts as a baby bommer? :P Sep 05 12:45:13 LetoThe2nd: you are a baby basser at most Sep 05 12:45:14 LetoThe2nd: he basically says, that you are older than av500 :) Sep 05 12:45:32 av500: ++ Sep 05 12:46:20 KotH: well it depends on the POV. the age comparison 3500ys vs. 40something is pretty clear. though i'm pretty sure i was *not* born in the baby boom years... Sep 05 12:46:50 LetoThe2nd: you definitly are not, not even av100 was Sep 05 12:47:02 yeah Sep 05 12:47:24 * KotH needs a 5th monitor on his desk, 4 are just not enough! Sep 05 12:47:42 funny, Im just ordering one :) Sep 05 12:47:45 do scopes and <10" industrial controls count= Sep 05 12:47:56 every nixie tube counts Sep 05 12:48:24 8screens + 2 phones + 1 calculator + 1 watch. Sep 05 12:48:32 it's enough. Sep 05 12:49:18 8 screens ? what graphic cards do you use ? Sep 05 12:49:40 he did not say computer screens Sep 05 12:49:47 or is it accross 3 stations Sep 05 12:50:09 das: where did i state that they are all conencted to the same pc? did i even say that they are conencted to some pc-style hardware at all? Sep 05 12:54:25 my workstation has 4 dvi/hdmi outputs Sep 05 12:54:29 I could easily add more Sep 05 13:00:24 my "work"station is mainly one thing: severely underpowered Sep 05 13:01:53 jeeez Sep 05 13:02:03 systemd bite you in the ass again? Sep 05 13:04:14 apperantly Sep 05 13:04:20 that comment was mainly towards profuse number of monitors. but systemd did kind of bite me again but I guess in sort of a good way. lol Sep 05 13:04:47 nothing wrong with a little bdsm in the morning Sep 05 13:05:16 you might partner together with mranostay, he is into biting as well Sep 05 13:05:37 /dev/kmsg changed a lot between 3.4 and 3.5 and it looks like it was mainly for the better (Kay, co-author of systemd did most of the changes) but the only issue is that you can't pull kernel messages into systemd-journald unless your kernel is 3.5+ Sep 05 13:06:17 there were a lot of problems with partial and interleaved messages which I have had screw up logs in the past Sep 05 13:10:41 * KotH wonders why nobody but systemd had these problems Sep 05 13:11:29 KotH: because only systemd needed the problem Sep 05 13:13:45 KotH: The problems I'm referring to I had was with syslog-ng pre systemd Sep 05 13:14:26 ok Sep 05 13:14:30 georgem: never heard about them Sep 05 13:18:02 If you weren't concerned with logging kernel messages to syslog in such a way that the syslog files can be parsed by syslog analyzer without errors ever occurring its unlikely you would have seen a problem. Sep 05 13:18:21 there, my tube socket shipped to day from China Sep 05 13:18:24 +s Sep 05 13:18:39 one message per line always worked fine for me Sep 05 13:20:37 av500: \o/ Sep 05 13:20:48 av500: now lets hope it is realy a tube with vacuum in it :) Sep 05 13:21:02 just sockets Sep 05 13:21:10 the tube are from a different place Sep 05 13:27:32 * KotH is hungry Sep 05 13:27:38 * KotH blames av500 Sep 05 13:27:51 eat a mranostay Sep 05 13:27:58 mru: I think I've only ever seen a problem when there was some kind of hardware problem on boot that caused the kmsg buffer to fill before syslog start and remove the messages. Anyway, if you're actually interested here is the commit: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=7ff9554bb578ba02166071d2d487b7fc7d860d62 Sep 05 13:27:58 he is not kosher Sep 05 13:30:53 why would anyone care? Sep 05 13:32:01 crunchy > kosher Sep 05 13:32:14 if you want to serve him to jewish, you should care unless you want to have your country liberated by a surpressed minority Sep 05 13:33:01 does the bible say anything about cannibalism? Sep 05 13:33:33 KotH: no need to serve him to jewish folks as av500 already has eatne him. Sep 05 13:33:33 you're not supposed to eat bats, also bats are birds Sep 05 13:33:43 is the closest I can get Sep 05 13:33:52 das: ozzy disagrees. Sep 05 13:34:00 is mranostay a bat? Sep 05 13:34:08 I doubt he cares much for the bible though Sep 05 13:34:11 well, he is night active Sep 05 13:34:17 his talk of biting suggests vampiric tendencies Sep 05 13:34:47 also he drinks alcohol; and my blood is mostly alcohol; thus he makes a very good candidate for a bat Sep 05 13:34:48 mru, no-one has seen mranostay and bruce wayne in the same room together Sep 05 13:34:52 * georgem hands $10 billion in warplanes and missiles to a suppressed minority so they can liberate your country. Sep 05 13:35:14 georgem: oh, thanks a lot. Sep 05 13:35:21 heh Sep 05 13:35:28 * LetoThe2nd sends out his fremen in georgem's warplanes. Sep 05 14:05:40 HI Sep 05 14:08:20 LetoThe2nd: could you send your fremen to "liberate" a certain swiss assembly company? Sep 05 14:08:52 LetoThe2nd: alternatively you may also "help" the daughter of the ceo of said company a bit on their way home Sep 05 14:10:30 hi shaunbak_ Sep 05 14:49:44 * CanyonMan DoNotEat Sep 05 14:49:48 !! Sep 05 14:50:19 SilicaGel: You missed. Sep 05 14:50:25 I know :( sad Sep 05 15:02:03 do not eat CanyonMan - not very tasty or nutritious Sep 05 15:11:48 here is a delay loop that I wrote as a PRU macro. Is this crappy? Sep 05 15:12:02 bah it's 7 lines, i don't want to paste 7 lines, stand by Sep 05 15:12:28 http://pastebin.com/BF3EmNua Sep 05 15:12:40 so you say: DLY r0, #2000 Sep 05 15:22:57 anyone knows how to use character lcd (16x2, serial type from sparkfun) with BBB? Sep 05 15:24:18 Step 1. hook it up (correctly). Step 2. Write the software (correctly) Sep 05 15:25:36 there's even a tty driver for it in the bbb kernel Sep 05 15:25:46 try to find out if it works for you Sep 05 15:27:11 the problem is i don't know how to use serial communication (uart?) to my char lcd Sep 05 15:28:00 err, first of all, is it using uart or i2c? Sep 05 15:28:30 i came from arduino background and am new to bbb, btw Sep 05 15:29:56 you should be quite familiar with UART vs I2C vs SPI then! Sep 05 15:30:36 got a link to the sparkfun page for that LCD? Sep 05 15:30:57 no Sep 05 15:32:26 anyone using FreeBSD on their BBB ? Sep 05 15:33:05 running quite possibly, using might be pushing your luck Sep 05 15:33:17 :o) Sep 05 15:33:54 geeze, 2G sandisk microsd cards for $0.49 on amazon Sep 05 15:34:01 i realize that's pretty ancient, but still Sep 05 15:34:05 "sandisk" Sep 05 15:35:08 i just need a few for my bb and bbb ... I don't know that I really care TOO much what they are, 2-4GB is fine. I'm looking for what's cheap and a name i recognize Sep 05 15:35:51 here's a 4GB kingston microsdhc card for 99 cents Sep 05 15:36:10 $5 shipping. That's still ridiculous. Sep 05 15:36:23 Maybe i'll order 5 of these and dollar cost average myself down to $2 a piece Sep 05 15:39:25 btw, is it possible to compile a c/c++ program within bbb without using cross-compiling? Sep 05 15:40:58 Yeah, if the gcc or equivilant package is available within the bbb linux distro, it will compile for the bbb's architecture Sep 05 15:43:04 yeah the default Angstrom Linux has dev tools available. might need to opkg install them first Sep 05 15:43:09 though I think they are there already Sep 05 15:46:35 yay microwave popcorn Sep 05 16:04:59 hi together.. Sep 05 16:05:22 I have a question to the experts here^^ Sep 05 16:05:30 just ask Sep 05 16:05:48 * av500 is out of popcorn :( Sep 05 16:06:09 I installed ubuntu on the eMMC of my beaglebone black Sep 05 16:06:13 like this Sep 05 16:06:14 http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=Ubuntu_On_BeagleBone_Black Sep 05 16:06:26 the emmc flasher Sep 05 16:06:35 I've downloaded Sep 05 16:07:01 after the I have installed it Sep 05 16:07:07 I rebooted it Sep 05 16:07:13 loged in Sep 05 16:07:26 ... and suddenly your key was hyperactive? Sep 05 16:07:44 than I made sudo apt-get update && upgrade Sep 05 16:07:47 no ^^ Sep 05 16:08:03 than sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop Sep 05 16:08:29 everything worked without problems and after the reboot Sep 05 16:08:44 ... your key was hyperactive again? Sep 05 16:08:48 I was written startx Sep 05 16:09:02 oh sorry Sep 05 16:09:19 but i get: Command not found Sep 05 16:09:44 because the startx times are over since 10 years or so. start your display manager. Sep 05 16:09:45 Waht is it ? I've installed it again and again.... but it doesen't work Sep 05 16:09:55 sudo service lightdm start. Sep 05 16:10:40 ok thanks I will try it Sep 05 16:12:43 starty Sep 05 16:13:08 * mru still uses startx Sep 05 16:13:36 display managers are unnecessary Sep 05 16:13:44 mru: i always knew you were stuck in ancient times. Sep 05 16:14:11 I'm stuck with what works Sep 05 16:14:12 mru: like most managers Sep 05 16:14:18 sucks, I know Sep 05 16:14:21 hehehe Sep 05 16:22:17 * KotH uses startx as well Sep 05 16:22:31 * KotH can even write a xorg.conf by hand Sep 05 16:22:46 now, bite me Sep 05 16:24:30 * mru _needs_ xorg.conf Sep 05 16:24:55 because the defaults are not what I want Sep 05 16:25:00 KotH, that would be tantamount to time 0 on the next world epidemic Sep 05 16:26:07 panto: i'm your worst fear when it comes to an epidemic Sep 05 16:26:12 panto: i have turkish germs! Sep 05 16:45:26 morning Sep 05 16:45:33 I just got a beagle bone black Sep 05 16:45:44 and need some input and where to get a img Sep 05 16:46:07 looking for a 8 gig usb img to boot with just a base img Sep 05 16:46:17 and also how to boot from the usb Sep 05 16:49:11 I dont want to use the emmc as the build base Sep 05 16:49:20 I dont want to waste the life of the emmc Sep 05 16:49:36 I want to boot from the USB and build pkgs on it Sep 05 16:49:45 is there a good how to for this Sep 05 16:50:38 boot MLO from SD Sep 05 16:50:51 the load kernel via tftp Sep 05 16:50:59 and mount rootfs per nfs Sep 05 16:54:21 oh neat, haha. Sep 05 16:54:50 MLO -> uBoot is it? and uBoot supports bootp/tftp kernel loading? Sep 05 16:58:56 * KotH feels old Sep 05 16:59:00 * KotH blames av500 Sep 05 16:59:17 KotH: maybe you *are* old Sep 05 16:59:29 is there a how to for booting the bbb via a usb drive Sep 05 16:59:36 I am not finding one Sep 05 16:59:36 mru: i dont want to hear that form youngsters like you! ;) Sep 05 16:59:59 kids, calm down Sep 05 17:00:21 ogra_: yes granny? Sep 05 17:00:33 youngsters today ... Sep 05 17:00:45 * ogra_ shakes head, grabs cane and hobbles away Sep 05 17:06:55 so no help ? Sep 05 17:07:15 I am scanning the bbb site and nothing abotu booting from usb Sep 05 17:09:02 rneese: you have to load the kernel somewhere and then the kernel can load the usb device Sep 05 17:16:29 so if that is a fact is there a place to get a 8/16 gig sd img I can boot with that wont boot from the emmc ? Sep 05 17:16:41 I need to get around the emmc for dev is the issue Sep 05 17:18:52 and I wish they made the emmc removable like on the odroid board Sep 05 17:18:59 so you could change sizes Sep 05 17:19:04 2 gig is not alot Sep 05 17:20:14 cost Sep 05 17:20:56 emmc are cheap Sep 05 17:21:25 rneese, so, booting from USB rather than mmc/emmc? The ROM does not support USB booting in that way Sep 05 17:21:36 You need MLO and u-boot.img from something else, then USB stick Sep 05 17:21:52 The USB mode the ROM supports, and you can "easily" use with the boot button on, is as an RNDIS gadget Sep 05 17:21:53 See.. Sep 05 17:22:06 Model : 16GB eMMC Module XU Price : $39.00 Sep 05 17:22:07 http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/AMSDK_u-boot_User%27s_Guide#Using_the_network_.28Wired_or_USB.29 for general instructions Sep 05 17:22:43 and, afk Sep 05 17:22:52 ok Sep 05 17:22:55 grrr Sep 05 17:23:15 then I have to get a 8/16 gig sd and use it ok Sep 05 17:23:36 rneese: that doubles the price of the bbb, which approximately results in decrease of sales by a factor of four, which again increases price, so you end up with a bourd that costs probably 2.5 to 3 times as much, with very little additional features Sep 05 17:24:40 if you need a larger capacity rootfs boot from external mmc Sep 05 17:24:53 no but if you dd the socket and the 2 gig it gives the option for the user to upgrade Sep 05 17:25:49 and this just gave me a issue Iwas afraid of Sep 05 17:25:53 xz: (stdin): Cannot allocate memory freeswitch-1.2.12/Freeswitch.2005.unsupported.sln Sep 05 17:26:08 rneese: the upgrade is called sd card Sep 05 17:26:16 ok Sep 05 17:26:26 but sd cards are slower Sep 05 17:26:32 buy a faster one Sep 05 17:26:36 rneese, compromise is the name of the game Sep 05 17:26:40 but ok well I have to figure this issu out now Sep 05 17:26:50 git just failed on the board Sep 05 17:27:00 rneese: a class 10 should be fast enough for anything you do on a bbb Sep 05 17:27:06 we are workign to build pkgs for a small pbx system for this board Sep 05 17:27:21 and you do it on the board? Sep 05 17:27:28 why not cross-compile? Sep 05 17:28:19 we had cross compile issue last I was told and we where going to try and compile right on the board Sep 05 17:28:25 panto: BDSM :) Sep 05 17:28:31 that way we could get further Sep 05 17:28:48 and find what the issue swhere Sep 05 17:28:51 you are into a road filled with pain Sep 05 17:29:24 well patching code is part of the game Sep 05 17:29:35 but it looks like swap is never setup Sep 05 17:29:40 so thast a issue Sep 05 17:29:45 I can understand why you do it, but the correct solution is to fix your cross-compilation problem Sep 05 17:29:50 rneese, no that's not an issue Sep 05 17:30:03 do not, I repeat do not, put swap on a managed flash device Sep 05 17:30:18 well I know you put it on a sd Sep 05 17:30:24 not stupid Sep 05 17:30:36 we have used sd for swap with no issue Sep 05 17:30:49 you will kill the device Sep 05 17:30:54 and we did this with nand based devices Sep 05 17:31:12 I hope you don't sell those devices afterwards Sep 05 17:31:35 we keep a stock pile of 1 gig sd cards to use for swap devices Sep 05 17:31:49 and we never sell the sd Sep 05 17:32:03 we wipe and re use 1 to 2 times and then destroy them Sep 05 17:32:13 still, you do that just to avoid fixing the cross compilation problems? Sep 05 17:32:32 well I have never done cross compiling Sep 05 17:32:45 perhaps you should learn how Sep 05 17:32:52 you will be about 100 times more productive Sep 05 17:32:55 I I will have to learn the guy who does all that is out sick and I am handed the project Sep 05 17:33:39 we're talking about orders of magnitude difference here on compilation times Sep 05 17:34:08 Ok I used sudo service lightdm start but I didn't come to the desktop Sep 05 17:35:40 Ok I know I have already asked, but i installed ubuntu on mei eMMC, Sep 05 17:35:57 than I made sudo apt-get update && upgrade Sep 05 17:36:23 than I installed the desktop with sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop Sep 05 17:36:29 than I reboot Sep 05 17:36:54 and now I not able to go to the desktop Sep 05 17:36:59 what can I do ? Sep 05 17:37:54 I am looking for fee-based support. I need a vmware ubuntu image with all that is needed to write and compile C+ to then upload to the BBlack for android Sep 05 17:48:28 * KotH sighs Sep 05 17:48:46 why o why is doing embedded linux so difficult that people fail at the most basic steps Sep 05 17:48:47 The weight of the world heavy on his shoulders. Sep 05 17:49:06 it's not exactly rocket science Sep 05 17:49:24 and most people aren't exactly rocket scientists. Sep 05 17:49:51 * vvu|Log tries to compile something written in c+...so much win Sep 05 17:50:06 c+? haven't heard of that one. :) Sep 05 17:50:35 ask the dude that asked a question earlier, he seems to know lots Sep 05 17:51:09 emeb: knowing todays people, i think that even building a steam machine is a skill that most people are unable to learn Sep 05 17:51:36 Getting out of bed seems a challenge for many. Sep 05 17:52:02 shoelaces too hard! put on flip-flops and let's go shopping Sep 05 17:52:16 yay! shopping! Sep 05 17:52:30 boo! no money! Sep 05 17:58:53 emeb: c+ is the language that can't decide if it wants to be c++ or c# Sep 05 17:59:55 Cool - an ambivalent language. That fills a much-needed void. Sep 05 18:00:32 emeb, I think C++ already covers all cases of an ambivalent language Sep 05 18:14:15 http://thecodelesscode.com/case/107 Sep 05 18:17:38 mru: i like that one Sep 05 18:17:46 mru: there are many great lessons in it Sep 05 18:24:30 ok back Sep 05 18:24:52 are there any sd images for booting the bbb from sd Sep 05 18:24:55 [kernel] koenkooi pushed 1 new commit to 3.11: http://git.io/UfDWKQ Sep 05 18:24:55 kernel/3.11 d46393d Koen Kooi: 3.11: fix cpsw mac address... Sep 05 18:33:44 ok found a img but setting it up a systemm that does not use mmc is a pain Sep 05 18:34:09 as its setup_mmc is got issues of not using usb and sd devices Sep 05 18:42:58 rneese: why do you want to avoid emmc and sdcard? Sep 05 18:43:09 rneese: fear of sdcard protocols? Sep 05 18:44:53 no we wanted to use a 32 gig usb flash drive to build and test on Sep 05 18:45:11 as then we could save time with the ssd/emmc Sep 05 18:45:30 and we want to save te life of the emmx for running the pbx software Sep 05 18:45:55 * KotH wouldnt care about that Sep 05 18:46:02 develop on one bbb Sep 05 18:46:08 deploy on another Sep 05 18:46:19 the price of a bbb is less than half an hour of work Sep 05 18:46:25 it's not worth it Sep 05 18:47:01 and iirc the emmc uses an SLC flash, so it's pretty durable Sep 05 18:47:16 ok Sep 05 18:47:37 then I will point the boss to this Sep 05 18:48:58 well the other issue is 2 gigs is not enough to compile freeswitch on Sep 05 18:49:06 and mk pkgs Sep 05 18:49:20 wich is anotther reason for the bigger drive Sep 05 18:50:28 need atleast 4 gigs of space Sep 05 18:50:33 for compiling Sep 05 18:52:34 I am reading abotu cross compiling now Sep 05 19:09:49 I need a sd image that does not have appache or any other web server on it Sep 05 19:10:05 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian Sep 05 19:10:15 is the img I found as a basic img Sep 05 19:10:23 but I need a base os img Sep 05 19:11:21 https://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/wheezy/debian-7.1-console-armhf-2013-08-26.tar.xz Sep 05 19:11:34 is the only img I have found and it has apache Sep 05 19:20:50 ok I made the sd now I hit the boot button Sep 05 19:21:00 btu how do I get it to boot the sd Sep 05 19:23:50 I cant find how to boot from the mmc Sep 05 19:24:07 it finds it and I made it from thier script so it should be bootable Sep 05 19:25:13 . /dev/mmcblk1p1 * 63 144584 72261 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/mmcblk1p2 144585 3743144 1799280 83 Linux Sep 05 19:28:15 rneese: that debian image is abotu as good as you'll get Sep 05 19:28:23 just remove any packages you dpont' need Sep 05 19:28:30 once its installed Sep 05 19:28:38 or you can do it the other way Sep 05 19:28:47 use the netboot image Sep 05 19:28:59 ok but how do I boot from the sd and not the emmc Sep 05 19:29:01 which is tiny Sep 05 19:29:04 I made the iomg Sep 05 19:29:12 you put it on the sd-card and turn it on Sep 05 19:29:13 :-) Sep 05 19:29:29 the boot preference is SSD over eMMC Sep 05 19:29:35 it says it finds the sd btu it still boots the emmc Sep 05 19:29:39 ok Sep 05 19:29:48 what says it finds the sd? Sep 05 19:29:48 well I followed the web site Sep 05 19:33:12 anyone here knows what is the kernel mainline support for the beaglebone black? Can I boot a vanilla kernel? Sep 05 19:35:33 fricking power Sep 05 19:36:32 ok well I have flashed this with the debian img Sep 05 19:36:32 sprado: http://bit.ly/15H2Qtb Sep 05 19:36:49 and I have the debian sd I mdae also Sep 05 19:36:54 made Sep 05 19:37:03 btu its not booting the sd Sep 05 19:37:17 sd/mmc its booting from the emmc Sep 05 19:37:40 I need to get a boot log Sep 05 19:41:45 sprado: it boots. Sep 05 19:41:58 well, I haven't tried it personally, but I have a boot report. Sep 05 19:42:11 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian Sep 05 19:42:17 is what I followed Sep 05 19:42:38 sprado: I need to publish a readable report. :( Sep 05 19:45:18 sprado: I think MMC isn't supported yet though, so you might need to tftp the kernel and nfs the rootfs. Sep 05 19:45:34 jkridner: good to know it boots! I gonna try Sep 05 19:46:19 jkridner: ok Sep 05 19:46:38 patches for Sep 05 19:46:49 patches for EDMA and MMC are public, but not yet applied. Sep 05 19:46:58 MUSB is also likely broken Sep 05 19:47:15 I think HDMI works, so that's nice. Sep 05 19:48:22 Q: why can i ping my router from BBB but not access the outside world? Sep 05 19:48:32 and av500 does not have to answer Sep 05 19:48:38 Bo_DK: DNS resolution? Sep 05 19:48:44 I'm planning to add a default config file for the BBB to Buildroot Sep 05 19:48:59 vxe: it can resolve ip number Sep 05 19:49:02 sprado: great! Sep 05 19:49:08 ie if i ping dmi.dk Sep 05 19:49:19 Bo_DK: maybe missing default route, then Sep 05 19:49:31 vxe.... is that not automatic? Sep 05 19:49:44 angstrom distro btw Sep 05 19:49:46 which kernel git's tree should I use? Sep 05 19:50:06 sprado: I thought you were looking for vanilla? Sep 05 19:50:19 yeah Sep 05 19:50:23 github.com/beagleboard/kernel branch 3.8 is most feature complete. Sep 05 19:50:31 Bo_DK: how did you configure your network interface? Sep 05 19:50:54 github.com/beagleboard/kernel branch 3.11 is coming along Sep 05 19:51:07 there is only one git tree for vanilla! Sep 05 19:51:12 vxe i did not Sep 05 19:51:20 just used default settings etc Sep 05 19:51:41 ie flasshed latest angstrom and connected to router Sep 05 19:51:49 Bo_DK: what do you see when you run `ip route`? Sep 05 19:53:02 root@beaglebone:~# ip route default via 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.0.101 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 scope link root@beaglebone:~# Sep 05 19:53:14 root@beaglebone:~# ip route Sep 05 19:53:14 default via 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 Sep 05 19:53:14 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.0.101 Sep 05 19:53:14 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 scope link Sep 05 19:53:14 root@beaglebone:~# Sep 05 19:53:41 i have changed nothing... just plugged in Sep 05 19:53:59 disabled usb thingy thou as i will never need that Sep 05 19:55:18 I had to put a nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf but you said resolution already works Sep 05 19:56:22 vxe: and if i change resolv.conf its reverted back at reboot Sep 05 19:56:53 # Generated by Connection Manager Sep 05 19:56:53 nameserver 127.0.0.1 Sep 05 19:57:07 i can change that as much i like--- after reboot its the same Sep 05 19:57:56 time to go to bed Sep 05 19:57:56 bbt Sep 05 19:58:35 why so much trouble to get it to connect to internet? Sep 05 19:58:41 it should work out the box Sep 05 19:59:00 jkridner: Yes, I was looking for a vanilla version, but looks like it is missing some support right now, so I will stick to the beagleboard 3.8 kernel branch Sep 05 20:01:11 jkridner: thanks for the the help and I hope you enjoyed Brazil :) Sep 05 20:01:41 I certainly did. Sep 05 20:01:56 Are all the 3.8 patches on that repo too much to carry into buildroot? Sep 05 20:02:08 the base tree is 3.8.13, then there are a bunch of patches. Sep 05 20:02:38 yes, I dont know yet Sep 05 20:04:32 jkridner: we do not have a git tree somewhere with the patches applied so we can just clone it, right? Sep 05 20:16:40 ok it booted this time off the sd Sep 05 20:16:49 and I was able to add swap Sep 05 20:16:59 so I shoul dbe able to try and bild pkgs Sep 05 20:20:40 ok thnks for your time.. hopign this all goes well Sep 05 20:20:50 would love to have a working system Sep 05 21:41:46 jkridner: I found this patch set maintained by Robert Nelson (http://rcn-ee.net/deb/sid-armhf/v3.8.13-bone22/patch-3.8.13-bone22.diff.gz) Sep 05 21:42:04 jkridner: is it safe to use it? Sep 05 23:11:52 stugs? two up, two down Sep 05 23:15:26 oh hi Sep 05 23:16:07 its funny when talking to count Sep 05 23:16:13 he said you were all about the beagle Sep 05 23:16:16 what a surprise Sep 05 23:18:00 haha Sep 05 23:18:41 I have a question, I just picked up a Sandisk 32G Class 10 MicroSD card and my BBB cannot see it. I am using Angstrom 2013-06-20 Sep 05 23:27:37 Hello, I need help writing udev rules for beaglebone white. Does anyone have experience with this? Sep 05 23:52:21 http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/89446/udev-rule-isnt-used Sep 06 00:58:35 his is anyone here? Sep 06 00:58:37 hi* Sep 06 01:00:53 if anyone sees this, i'm a bit of a noob and need some help with using SPI on the beaglebone black Sep 06 01:01:06 been trying different things and haven't had much success Sep 06 01:01:49 sprado: yes, using rcn-ee's kernel is good Sep 06 01:02:40 have you checked out http://elinux.org/Userspace_Arduino mexi1010? it might give you some useful examples. I haven't tried the SPI functions yet. Sep 06 01:03:25 haven't seen that page in particular Sep 06 01:03:30 mexi1010: it depends on how you want to access spi Sep 06 01:03:33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0 Sep 06 01:03:40 through P9 is how i want to do it Sep 06 01:03:51 mexi1010: there are number of levels of abstraction that can present their own difficulties Sep 06 01:03:59 mexi1010: what experience have you had with SPI in the past? Sep 06 01:04:30 https://github.com/prpplague/Userspace-Arduino/blob/master/arduino-makefile/examples/SPI/SPI.ino Sep 06 01:05:07 prpplague: to be honest i have no experience with SPI Sep 06 01:05:20 jkridner: yea the guys are working on it now Sep 06 01:05:54 prpplague: this is all kind of new to me, working in a lab at illinois, trying to use this for my senior thesis Sep 06 01:07:58 mexi1010: ahh ok Sep 06 01:08:26 mexi1010: there are some good generic tutorials about using SPI under linux Sep 06 01:08:50 mexi1010: with the understanding that SPI under linux is usually the same no matter what hardware you are using Sep 06 01:08:57 this is called hardware abstraction Sep 06 01:09:55 prpplague: makes sense Sep 06 01:10:16 mexi1010: just for your information, it is consider rude to privately message someone with questions on IRC, the best is to ask here, as there are most likely other people who want to know the same things, but have not asked, in addition there are many more people that can contribute to the response and answers Sep 06 01:10:44 prpplague: apologies, i don't know much about IRC etiquette Sep 06 01:11:41 mexi1010: no worries that is why i informed you of it Sep 06 01:12:17 mexi1010: you probably should start by reading about the SPI character device driver Sep 06 01:12:22 mexi1010, you can try doing some simple SPI loopback back tests and connect a scope to study the signals Sep 06 01:12:25 check http://elinux.org/BeagleBone_Black_Enable_SPIDEV Sep 06 01:13:53 joel_: i was looking at that page earlier Sep 06 01:14:14 joel_: first issue i have is i could not find BB-SPI0-01-00A0.dts Sep 06 01:15:58 mexi1010: you have to create that file Sep 06 01:15:59 You can find that in the linux kernel sources provided for the beaglebone Sep 06 01:16:18 joel_: it does not ship with beagle Sep 06 01:16:26 prpplague, oh ok ;) Sep 06 01:16:43 mexi1010: you need to create that file based on the contents listed on the page Sep 06 01:17:04 ohhh... that's a facepalm Sep 06 01:18:16 echo BB-SPI0-01 > /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.*/slots Sep 06 01:18:20 that worked fine Sep 06 01:18:29 then this didn't: Sep 06 01:18:35 optargs=quiet drm.debug=7 capemgr.enable_partno=BB-SPI0-01 Sep 06 01:19:03 that's clearly not a shell command, i just don't know what to do with that Sep 06 01:19:50 that goes into your uEnv.txt Sep 06 01:20:26 ah, the wiki needs editing under the SPI0 part Sep 06 01:20:33 those lines are missing, but they're in SPI1 Sep 06 01:21:01 I'm trying to enable some debugging output in the Linux kernel (Angstrom 2013.08.21 on BBB from an SD Card). What file should I edit to change the kernel command line? I tried searching... `dmesg` reports that "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" is in the kernel command line, but grep'ing /boot and /etc doesn't find a file with that string in it. Sep 06 01:22:53 setting bootargs in /boot/uEnv.txt and rebooting doesn't seem to have an affect. Sep 06 01:23:20 bootargs is most likely over written by other commands Sep 06 01:23:28 try setting optargs Sep 06 01:27:00 i did what that page said, still no spidev Sep 06 01:27:54 ls -l /dev/spidev* Sep 06 01:27:55 ? Sep 06 01:28:54 no such file or directory Sep 06 01:30:28 mexi1010: hey bud i am not where i can help you currently (on a plane) you can email me directly at danders@circuitco.com for support, i want to know how to make the spi how to pages better for people who have no experience with spi Sep 06 01:31:54 prpplague: i'd be more than happy to help you make your pages better Sep 06 01:32:18 prpplague: will probably make my thesis go a lot smoother too haha Sep 06 01:32:25 prpplague: i'll email you right now Sep 06 01:32:51 prpplague, I can take partial blame for complicating the SPI page :-P Sep 06 01:33:26 could the reason that spidev won't show up be that i have an old kernel version? Sep 06 01:33:59 but yeah, do share what your feedback fwiw, or even better edit the wiki yourself once you get it all working Sep 06 01:34:20 i wouldn't have a problem with that Sep 06 01:34:29 joel_: I got it working. I had to edit /uEnv.txt on the first partition (not /boot/uEnv.txt on the Angstrom partition). Sep 06 01:34:54 thanks for the tip on using optargs Sep 06 01:35:09 mexi1010, you'd have to rebuild the spidev driver with the patch at the end of the page Sep 06 01:35:32 I don't use the beagle kernel so I'm not sure if it already carries patch Sep 06 01:36:29 tcort, good. Sep 06 01:36:32 np Sep 06 01:36:43 joel_: not sure exactly what i'm looking at there Sep 06 01:36:56 that's a diff output, tells you what you need to change Sep 06 01:38:17 do i have to have git installed on the beaglebone? Sep 06 01:39:05 no on your host where you build the kernel Sep 06 01:39:16 oh Sep 06 01:39:46 mexi1010, you may have to read up on git and re-building the kernel. those are pre-reqs if you want to hack the spi driver and write your own Sep 06 01:39:54 s/and/or/ Sep 06 01:41:22 hrmm Sep 06 01:41:38 these are words i've heard before but don't know much about hyaha Sep 06 01:46:57 mexi1010, then you have a lot of fun to look forward to Sep 06 01:47:13 haha i suppose i do. Sep 06 02:11:51 So what do people recommend OS I should start with on the Beaglbone Black? Should I stick to the Angstrom distro or are there others with better features / support? Sep 06 02:15:16 I'm a fan of debian & derivitives, but I don't want to get stuck in a hole of having to do a ton of manual work just to get my favorite distro to work Sep 06 02:15:19 use the distro you like best Sep 06 02:15:28 so put debian on it Sep 06 02:15:38 i run debian on mine Sep 06 02:15:44 seems several peopel do as well Sep 06 02:17:38 davr worse case, assuming you build uboot and kernel from source, because maybe you need to compile in some modules statically, thats like maybe 8-12 hours works ONCE, and no need to repeat. all this "manual work" you speak of, would have to be done for any distro Sep 06 02:18:13 really depends on what it is you want to do Sep 06 02:22:22 I see "getting started with beaglebone" as been updated Sep 06 02:23:25 page 9: "While it’s possible to use other distributions of Linux or even non-Linux op- erating systems on the BeagleBone, I recommend using the Ångström dis- tribution since it’s packaged up to install easily on the board and it’s what the folks from BeagleBoard.org work with when they are testing and developing with the board." 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