**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 14 02:59:59 2013 Sep 14 03:07:20 anyone been to the grand canyon from Vegas? Sep 14 03:08:16 not in about 28 years, why? Sep 14 03:13:36 mrpackethead not in about 4-5 years Sep 14 03:13:50 I used to live in pahrump Sep 14 03:14:50 ( pahrump isabout 75 miles from Vegas ) Sep 14 03:16:49 https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/558532_10151156825372661_1402122606_n.jpg Sep 14 03:16:58 just tjhinking about life 12 months ago Sep 14 03:16:59 :-) Sep 14 03:17:05 if any of you guys knwo that that is Sep 14 03:17:16 you'd know it was pretty serious! Sep 14 03:17:45 looks like a body bag to me Sep 14 03:17:47 the word escapes Sep 14 03:18:04 when a blood vessle is about to burst? Sep 14 03:25:22 theres a serious lack of blood Sep 14 03:25:47 oh the other way thrombosis yeah that's bad Sep 14 03:25:47 where the biggest artery shuouild be Sep 14 03:25:57 This was me 1 year ago Sep 14 03:26:01 what organ? Sep 14 03:26:20 heart Sep 14 03:26:23 https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/419266_10151156831047661_298028135_n.jpg Sep 14 03:26:26 compare with this! Sep 14 03:26:30 after they fixed me up Sep 14 03:26:49 big difference Sep 14 03:27:01 i had a DVT clot go to my heart Sep 14 03:27:19 sounds odd, but of all the places it could go Sep 14 03:27:23 this was about the best Sep 14 03:27:23 :-) Sep 14 03:27:36 if it had ended up in teh brain. Sep 14 03:27:38 *dead* Sep 14 03:27:43 or lungs Sep 14 03:27:45 if it had ended up in the lungs Sep 14 03:27:46 *dead* Sep 14 03:28:08 Unexpected heart attack it was Sep 14 03:28:14 3 days in hospital Sep 14 03:28:16 and i was fixed up Sep 14 03:28:17 :-) Sep 14 03:28:23 lucky you Sep 14 03:28:29 fortuantly my wife is a nurse Sep 14 03:28:38 and she recognised what was happening Sep 14 03:28:42 even before me Sep 14 03:28:57 had the ambulance Sep 14 03:29:03 here Sep 14 03:29:05 very quick Sep 14 03:29:12 and i was in hospital less than 30 minutes later Sep 14 03:29:19 so, was inside the golden hour Sep 14 03:29:32 very very forutnate Sep 14 03:29:37 had i been at hiome by myself Sep 14 03:29:47 i reckon i would hve just shrugged it off Sep 14 03:29:56 and said, ahh its just a bit of integestion Sep 14 03:30:05 and oddly, it was pretty painful Sep 14 03:30:13 but the pain dropped off Sep 14 03:30:19 so, i thought i was getting better! Sep 14 03:30:56 great! with my pain tolerance I might shrug it off too Sep 14 03:31:09 they reckon their are heart attacks you wont' even feel Sep 14 03:31:18 and then you just go into cardiac arrest some time later Sep 14 03:31:21 and fall over Sep 14 03:31:36 the heart stopping bit is serious! Sep 14 03:31:44 the blockage is serious1 Sep 14 03:31:53 that heart attack was about as dramatic as they come Sep 14 03:31:56 as you can see Sep 14 03:32:11 it blocked 80% of the blood the the Left side Sep 14 03:46:53 Hi.. is wpa-supplicant - 1.0-r4.10 the latest version ? wifi/wpa2 is kind of flaky Sep 14 04:08:14 mrpackethead pretty shitty, but good deal you caught it Sep 14 04:08:28 well good deal your wife caught it Sep 14 04:09:14 * m_billybob had some homemade wine tonight and it knocked his **** into the dirt Sep 14 04:12:14 mosgt happy Sep 14 04:12:17 my code and hardware is workign! Sep 14 04:12:36 you never did say what you were writting code wise Sep 14 04:15:30 a network attacehd INput/output module Sep 14 04:15:43 its a PIC24 micro + ethernet chip Sep 14 04:15:47 6 small fets Sep 14 04:15:50 6 opto isoaltors Sep 14 04:42:07 does any one know how to use camera cape with beaglebone without lcd 7/dvi-d cape? Sep 14 04:42:41 cxp no idea, do you have a link you can share? Sep 14 04:43:17 I followed this post Sep 14 04:43:18 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!category-topic/beagleboard/gpmc/2Eg9ijW5SU0 Sep 14 04:43:31 but i does not work Sep 14 04:44:02 does any one have an idea about this problem? Sep 14 05:38:51 mrpackethead: glad you're still around! Sep 14 05:38:58 oh whys that Sep 14 05:39:26 i don't know. i assume there's enjoyment still in your life. Sep 14 05:40:01 of to drive for 5 hours! Sep 14 05:41:21 on the BBB, instead of using TP5-8, is it possible to use the headers P8 or P9? Sep 14 05:41:50 for battery power/charging Sep 14 05:45:49 NotJimCarrey: yes, you can Sep 14 05:45:58 you can provide 5V via P8 Sep 14 05:46:10 I do this all the time Sep 14 05:47:06 sorry its P9 Sep 14 05:47:18 VDD_5V Sep 14 05:47:22 dont' use SYS_5V Sep 14 05:52:20 * N2TOH about to call it a night, but I'm still learning how to boot the BBB from the uSD card Sep 14 06:09:10 <_av500_> prepare card, insert, hold button, power on Sep 14 06:11:08 _av500_ understood, yet it's time to call it a night Sep 14 06:12:36 my next question is how to prepare a boot loader for use without human intervention Sep 14 06:26:19 mrpackethead: what about the thermistor? is that TP7 only? Sep 14 06:26:38 what thermister? Sep 14 06:27:02 for the Li-Ion battery Sep 14 06:33:54 i know it's not required, but i'd rather use one Sep 14 06:35:38 oh. Sep 14 06:35:49 I'm not sure what you'd do with a Battery Sep 14 07:40:16 now just trying to figure out how to send a udp packet out of a pic micro Sep 14 07:46:52 mrpackethead, bitbang it Sep 14 07:47:00 lol. Sep 14 07:47:01 :-) Sep 14 07:47:23 its what all the kool kids do...bitbanging Sep 14 07:47:30 yeah Sep 14 07:47:40 i need to send udp packets when buttons are pushed. Sep 14 07:48:04 just pre-checksum Sep 14 07:48:16 CRC is a bitch on 18bit micros Sep 14 07:48:47 using 24bit Sep 14 07:48:52 you mean 8 bit Sep 14 07:48:56 lol Sep 14 07:49:02 i am using 16bit on Pic24 Sep 14 08:45:29 mrpackethead : what's your network interface? Sep 14 08:45:45 netwok inteface for ? Sep 14 08:45:47 what? Sep 14 08:45:59 CareBear\: Sep 14 08:47:17 CareBear\: Attached to the PIC24, is an ENC624J600 Sep 14 09:05:04 hi all Sep 14 09:11:52 someone can help me? Sep 14 09:24:35 no Sep 14 09:30:48 not someone, but probalby lots of people Sep 14 09:31:00 but you need to ask your question properly. Sep 14 09:31:00 okay Sep 14 09:31:04 oka Sep 14 09:31:08 ok Sep 14 09:31:18 and dont' waste lines Sep 14 09:31:32 Hi Caller, how can we help Sep 14 09:32:07 I'd like to introduce you to KotH, he is the on duty troll Sep 14 09:32:08 i wanna connect this lcd to my BBB http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-5-0-inch-TFT-LCD-module-800x480-SSD1963-touchpad-SD-arduino-AVR-STM32-ARM-/121031842772#shId Sep 14 09:32:27 What u think i can connect it? Sep 14 09:33:28 im sure if you ported it over Sep 14 09:33:32 you could Sep 14 09:33:34 can you program Sep 14 09:33:37 do you understand linux? Sep 14 09:33:44 yes Sep 14 09:33:51 well, get busy Sep 14 09:33:54 when you've finished Sep 14 09:33:56 i got the linux on my BBB already Sep 14 09:33:58 come back and tell us Sep 14 09:34:08 can you program kernal modules? Sep 14 09:34:20 do you knwo what a kernel is ? Sep 14 09:34:23 not really Sep 14 09:34:33 ok, then i dont' think your chances are very good Sep 14 09:35:13 but in your opinion this module can connect the BBB Sep 14 09:35:30 because this lcd for arduino Sep 14 09:35:30 my opinion doe'snt count Sep 14 09:35:35 and i have no idea Sep 14 09:35:39 buy one Sep 14 09:35:41 and find out Sep 14 09:36:34 does the bbb have a parallel lcd interface? Sep 14 09:38:25 i just got the BBB Sep 14 09:38:53 so? Sep 14 09:38:58 i dont even own a bbb :) Sep 14 09:39:41 mrpackethead: any ideas what i shall cook today? Sep 14 09:40:18 KotH: mmm i woud'nt depend whats in teh cupboard! Sep 14 09:40:37 * KotH has nothing left there Sep 14 09:40:59 KotH: btw, that weird if ( *soemething.something++ > 127 ) has got 2 out of my team perpleced Sep 14 09:41:06 perplexed Sep 14 09:41:10 why? Sep 14 09:41:17 becuase it does'nt work as expected Sep 14 09:41:27 but apparently, no one uses * Sep 14 09:41:30 and they all use -> Sep 14 09:43:32 -> only? no * ? Sep 14 09:46:29 Iv'e been learning how to get UDP sockets to work today Sep 14 09:47:27 on pic micro Sep 14 09:47:40 got it sending 1024 bytes Sep 14 09:47:41 :-) Sep 14 09:47:48 full of junk Sep 14 09:47:52 to a broadcast address Sep 14 09:49:53 mrpackethead: what do you expect your line to do and what does it do? Sep 14 09:50:17 I want to see if *something.something is greater than 127, and increment it Sep 14 09:50:25 after i have checked Sep 14 09:50:28 ah.. Sep 14 09:50:31 increment the pointer Sep 14 09:50:37 not increment the value Sep 14 09:50:54 that's what the experssion does Sep 14 09:51:08 but the pointer does'nt increment Sep 14 09:51:14 it just stays the same Sep 14 09:51:35 dereference something.something, check whether it's greater than 127, increment the pointer, then execute the inner part of the if or else clause Sep 14 09:51:47 gcc? Sep 14 09:51:57 c30 Sep 14 09:52:00 for microchip PIC Sep 14 09:52:02 actually Sep 14 09:52:15 but this shoudl be pretty generic Sep 14 09:52:17 unless i'm very mistaken, that sounds like a compiler bug :) Sep 14 09:52:35 mmm Sep 14 09:52:46 which would be why my guys were confused Sep 14 09:52:54 because they thought it was ok Sep 14 09:53:30 i ahve a work aroudn Sep 14 09:53:31 in place Sep 14 09:53:48 And i have zillions of CPU cycles free Sep 14 09:53:54 so, its not a big deal Sep 14 09:55:05 https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1270448_10151867964422661_837057148_o.jpg Sep 14 09:55:14 i was quite pleased with myself Sep 14 09:55:17 to get this to work Sep 14 09:55:18 :-) Sep 14 09:55:28 Just filling up UPD packets with nonsence Sep 14 09:55:30 but thats ok Sep 14 09:57:14 mrpackethead: report the bug to microchip anyways Sep 14 09:57:45 i used to give chocolate fish away Sep 14 09:57:49 to my network enegineers Sep 14 09:57:55 for finding config errors Sep 14 09:57:56 :-) Sep 14 10:00:15 KotH: so why dont' you ahve a BBB? Sep 14 10:00:27 nobody gave me one Sep 14 10:00:38 KotH: that woudl almost be a violation of rule#1 of #beagle Sep 14 10:00:41 ha ha. Sep 14 10:00:46 I've not personally bought one either Sep 14 10:00:53 see? Sep 14 10:01:07 but there posibly are one or two lying around home Sep 14 10:01:08 :-) Sep 14 10:01:13 that have been "borrowed" Sep 14 10:01:26 have you got a Bbw? Sep 14 10:01:29 yeah.. but unlike you, i'm a poor student who doesn't have his own company to buy him stuff ;) Sep 14 10:01:36 lol. Sep 14 10:01:46 poor student? Sep 14 10:01:53 juup Sep 14 10:02:10 how long you been studying for Sep 14 10:02:12 ? Sep 14 10:02:15 100 years Sep 14 10:02:23 nope, enrolled 3y ago Sep 14 10:02:36 mm, did'nt think you were a student Sep 14 10:02:45 hehe Sep 14 10:02:47 I guess we are all students one way or another Sep 14 10:03:02 you know, i got bored at work Sep 14 10:03:07 didnt know what to do Sep 14 10:03:14 but are you not building space stuff for work? Sep 14 10:03:15 so i started studying again Sep 14 10:03:20 yes Sep 14 10:03:31 oh, so you are a full time work + part time student? Sep 14 10:03:32 or rather, i'm doing the design. building is someone else busines :) Sep 14 10:03:40 part time work, part time student Sep 14 10:03:45 ahh, Sep 14 10:03:53 one of my engineers is like that Sep 14 10:04:04 has'nt graduated yet Sep 14 10:04:10 apropos... semester is starting tomorrow and i have to select my classes... Sep 14 10:04:14 I asked him to write a job descruption Sep 14 10:04:26 so i can offer him a full time job Sep 14 10:04:33 when he graduates in May Sep 14 10:04:40 lol Sep 14 10:04:54 its nice to get a year to do job interview Sep 14 10:05:18 I'm sponsoring his final project Sep 14 10:05:28 I'm unimpressed with the selection of proejct Sep 14 10:05:29 but.. Sep 14 10:05:50 theres a very valuable lesson for them Sep 14 10:05:51 :-) Sep 14 10:06:30 and since its on their time Sep 14 10:06:31 :-) Sep 14 10:08:17 7~ Sep 14 10:08:31 mrpackethead: you're cheap! Sep 14 10:08:32 ;) Sep 14 10:08:46 no. Sep 14 10:08:54 you are, trust me ;) Sep 14 10:08:56 I can see whats likely to happen Sep 14 10:09:20 they are building in *massive* complexity. Sep 14 10:09:29 just to make it "complex" Sep 14 10:10:16 KotH: i might be 1/2 scottish, but i'm not cheap Sep 14 10:10:21 :-) Sep 14 10:10:46 however DFM is not a consideraton in their project Sep 14 10:10:47 so... Sep 14 10:11:08 DFM? Sep 14 10:11:22 Design For Manufacture Sep 14 10:11:29 destroy the fucking manual Sep 14 10:11:34 If you are making 1 or 5 of somethign Sep 14 10:11:42 then DFM is not somehing to worry about Sep 14 10:11:57 the effort to do good DFM might well exceed the gains Sep 14 10:12:09 however DFM comes into its own when you make 100 or 10000's Sep 14 10:12:21 simple things like Sep 14 10:12:29 Look at all your resistors Sep 14 10:12:37 can i swap some of the values around Sep 14 10:12:53 to reduce the number of differnet parts Sep 14 10:13:03 or if you do space :) Sep 14 10:13:29 if you had say a 12k4 resistor that you had to use Sep 14 10:13:34 and you had 10k resitors for pull ups Sep 14 10:13:52 ask yourself, can i use 12k4's instead? Sep 14 10:14:12 DFS might have a differnet set of rules Sep 14 10:14:24 it's actually worse Sep 14 10:14:53 if you have, lets say one 2n2222 somewhere... you ask yourself, is that bugger really needed? can i get away with a diode instead? because it costs only 1/10th Sep 14 10:15:18 opamps are ...uhm.. difficult at best Sep 14 10:15:30 uC a big no no Sep 14 10:15:39 no uC? Sep 14 10:15:41 and each resistor costs 1USD Sep 14 10:15:54 are they smd? Sep 14 10:15:59 there are, but getting a space qualified uC is very difficult Sep 14 10:16:02 there are not many Sep 14 10:16:13 space grade resistors Sep 14 10:16:24 yes, you usually stick to smd unless you have special needs or restrictions Sep 14 10:16:34 smd is much more vibration tolerant than tht Sep 14 10:16:48 "T" reliablity levels Sep 14 10:17:08 E/H MIL-PRF-55342 -qualified Sep 14 10:17:22 actually, ESA qualified in this case :) Sep 14 10:17:36 which is a completely different can of worms Sep 14 10:17:48 you put worms in space? Sep 14 10:17:55 i think the russians did Sep 14 10:18:10 the usians put a whole lot of metal particles up there, just to see what happens Sep 14 10:18:12 i guess a satellite is a can Sep 14 10:18:25 unfortunately, 50 years later, they are still in space and didnt fall back as expected Sep 14 10:18:44 how tall a lader can we make Sep 14 10:18:48 one tall enough to go to space? Sep 14 10:18:58 probably Sep 14 10:19:04 though not with todays materials Sep 14 10:19:14 and not with todays technology Sep 14 10:19:15 carbon fibre Sep 14 10:19:20 not strong enough Sep 14 10:19:29 do you know anything about Plasma Etching Sep 14 10:19:32 we'd need something at least as strong as a spider web Sep 14 10:19:45 and something to compensate the wind load Sep 14 10:19:45 and Plasma waterproofing Sep 14 10:20:05 i've heard about plasma etchin, but not about plasma waterproofing Sep 14 10:20:10 why? Sep 14 10:20:24 Oh, i saw a machine at a trade show last week Sep 14 10:20:30 was pretty impressive. Sep 14 10:20:36 they waterproofed a paper tissue Sep 14 10:20:37 :-) Sep 14 10:20:45 o_0 Sep 14 10:21:07 rendered the tissue useless for its intended task Sep 14 10:21:08 but. Sep 14 10:21:14 that was nto the point of the demo Sep 14 10:23:06 it coudl be a DFM decsions. Sep 14 10:23:50 any documents on the actualy process used? Sep 14 10:24:09 a quick google only resulted in a couple of whitepapers without substance Sep 14 10:27:26 ah.. wikipedia tells the story Sep 14 10:33:13 what did you find? Sep 14 10:33:52 chemical vapor deposition of a polymer to change the surface charge distribution Sep 14 10:34:36 http://www.hzoinside.com Sep 14 10:35:02 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2i Sep 14 10:36:14 seems to be a few early ones Sep 14 10:36:19 and lots of other guys turning up Sep 14 10:36:21 when i've some free time, i'll go and look fro the dissertation Sep 14 10:36:32 yeah Sep 14 10:36:41 i expect the technology itself to be fairly simple Sep 14 10:37:05 but selecting the right polymer compound an the exact process parameters to be not so easy to do Sep 14 11:54:28 mooooo Sep 14 12:15:40 meeeeeeeh Sep 14 12:38:35 hello everybody Sep 14 12:39:01 I get some issues to build qt4-x11 with Angstrom Sep 14 12:39:39 the main cause is : "Function failed: libgles-omap3: LIC_FILES_CHKSUM points to an invalid file:" Sep 14 12:40:29 git pull didn't helped Sep 14 14:28:53 hellooo? Sep 14 14:29:07 anybody ? Sep 14 15:07:04 <_av500_> its saturday Sep 14 15:07:11 <_av500_> people are getting married etc.. Sep 14 15:11:32 the fools Sep 14 15:11:45 so what you are telling me is that life is going on? Sep 14 15:12:05 * mru thought marriage was the end of life Sep 14 15:31:31 mru, for some...its the beginning Sep 14 15:31:55 it's life, but not as we know it Sep 14 15:32:58 hi again Sep 14 15:33:17 back with my question about building qt4-x11 with Angstrom Sep 14 15:33:24 anyone here ? Sep 14 15:34:01 no Sep 14 15:34:02 http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/161 Sep 14 15:35:17 were about " Function failed: libgles-omap3: LIC_FILES_CHKSUM points to an invalid file: (...)a-vfp-neon-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libgles-omap3-4.05.00.03-r33/Graphics_SDK_4_05_00_03/TSPA.txt" Sep 14 15:35:36 which is indeed missing Sep 14 15:35:54 and a git pull didn't gave anything more Sep 14 15:36:07 git pull-hair Sep 14 15:36:46 ah...humm... ok Sep 14 15:37:20 not so helpfull Sep 14 15:37:47 <_troll_> trolls are not known for their helpfulness Sep 14 15:38:26 26-26-54 reminds of that old story about the prisoners telling jokes by number. Sep 14 15:38:33 some humans seems to be less helpfull Sep 14 15:38:54 emeb_mac: what's the number of that joke? Sep 14 15:39:08 Koen ? Sep 14 15:39:09 oooh - so meta! Sep 14 15:39:10 Mouha, find the file, put it where it belongs, compile, profit! Sep 14 15:39:24 Mouha, are you asking about koen helping you? Sep 14 15:39:24 or remove the check for it Sep 14 15:39:35 koen can't even help himself today Sep 14 15:39:50 "find the file" ---> [17:35] and a git pull didn't gave anything more Sep 14 15:40:07 I saw a willing participant...not someone dragged down into a well... Sep 14 15:40:12 I usually just delete bogus checks like that Sep 14 15:40:20 ka6sox: it's the drugs Sep 14 15:41:05 I wouldn't call "function failed" a check Sep 14 15:41:26 or a blocking check for the do_configure then Sep 14 15:41:38 it's complaining about a foo.txt file missing Sep 14 15:41:52 indeed "TSPA.txt " Sep 14 15:41:54 which doesn't seem like a critical path item Sep 14 15:41:59 which appears to be just a license text anyway Sep 14 15:55:28 not so sure: I need to produce a txt file that would have the same md5.... Sep 14 15:58:01 http://media.salon.com/2012/06/hater.jpg Sep 14 16:01:21 no, you need to make it stop checking for it Sep 14 16:02:31 with ? Sep 14 16:09:43 an editor Sep 14 16:10:15 "with?" what action Sep 14 16:10:48 btw the way, someone had the same issue but didn't explain how, anyway this is not so obvious as it come from the master branch Sep 14 16:20:49 ok got it, not so obvious as I said but found a way. Sep 14 16:21:17 just need to go to ..., ah yes Trolls don't care Sep 14 16:21:33 anyway : not thank you Sep 14 17:14:00 no good deed goes unpunished Sep 14 17:14:18 "F**k you very much" . . . Sep 14 19:23:03 <_SY_> hello all Sep 14 19:26:30 hello! Sep 15 00:24:54 one has to wonder how long linus will stay in control of the Linux Kernel Sep 15 00:25:11 Torvalds, in a similar outburst just yesterday, hoped that 'ARM SoC hardware designers all die in some incredibly painful accident.' Sep 15 00:28:46 lol Sep 15 00:32:23 He's got a point. Sep 15 00:32:45 Unfortunately, there are no powerful drivers for self-describing chips in embedded space Sep 15 00:33:44 https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/5/5/35 - you may be familiar with Sep 15 00:34:38 he might hve a point Sep 15 00:34:48 but hes @#$%@#% annoying people who have lots of money Sep 15 00:35:56 you can have the best point in the world but if you piss people off they won't listen Sep 15 00:37:31 quite Sep 15 00:38:06 making software developers lives easier is generally not high ont he list of embedded device designers. Sep 15 00:39:34 don't make it too easy Sep 15 00:39:41 * mru has to justify that hourly rate somehow Sep 15 00:41:01 linus doesn't seem to realise that increasing the cost of a system with a fraction of a cent is often too much Sep 15 00:41:35 and a pci-style architecture would increase the soc cost Sep 15 00:47:30 mru: quite Sep 15 00:47:34 * SpeedEvil sighs. Sep 15 00:49:31