**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 28 02:59:58 2013
Sep 28 04:41:46 <adbg> Hello, Does Anstrom support rtmpsink plugin in Gstreamer on BeagleBoard xm? I can't found it on Angstrom feed website!
Sep 28 04:42:04 <adbg> Thanks!
Sep 28 05:21:49 * vxe glues pastjean down
Sep 28 05:21:55 <vxe> nope
Sep 28 07:03:13 <christoffer> hmm, how do I turn off the BeagleBone Black...hold down the power button for X seconds?
Sep 28 07:03:58 <maxinux> type 'poweroff'
Sep 28 07:04:32 <christoffer> hmm what are the credentials? ..trying to login with ssh
Sep 28 07:04:57 <christoffer> so no way to turn off from any hardware button?
Sep 28 07:08:22 <KotH> christoffer: you can always program buttons to do stuff for you
Sep 28 07:08:37 <christoffer> yea KotH will probably do
Sep 28 07:08:47 <christoffer> just got my first to trying to figure out the basics
Sep 28 07:09:02 <KotH> ah..
Sep 28 07:09:05 <christoffer> got it to boot Ubuntu from SD card and shutdown -h 0 ...worked like a charm
Sep 28 07:09:24 <KotH> check out the angström docu, it might be that one or another button is already configured to shutdown the bbb
Sep 28 07:09:38 <KotH> pastjean: you should fix your internet connection
Sep 28 07:10:05 <christoffer> but when ångström distro boots from eMMC ....shutdown -h 0 and "poweroff" all reboots the bbb
Sep 28 07:10:26 <christoffer> seems like it's impossible to shutdown without pulling the plug
Sep 28 07:10:32 <christoffer> perhaps intended that way
Sep 28 07:10:47 <christoffer> KotH yea, will check the anström docu
Sep 28 07:32:33 <KD_> Can I bring up LCD without hsync and vsync signal with BBB?
Sep 28 07:34:20 <KotH> christoffer: uh.. if shutdown -h reboots, then something in halt handling in the kernel is wrong
Sep 28 07:34:28 <KotH> christoffer: maybe you're using an outdated kernel
Sep 28 07:34:45 <christoffer> it was the default delivered on board the bbb
Sep 28 07:34:46 <christoffer> ångström
Sep 28 07:34:51 <christoffer> it's gone now =)
Sep 28 07:34:56 <christoffer> Ubuntu 12.04 running on it now
Sep 28 07:35:06 <christoffer> thanks anyway KotH
Sep 28 07:36:45 <KotH> christoffer: compile a kernel from koen's git and try again. maybe that helps
Sep 28 07:37:16 <christoffer> yea will probably dig deeper into that later on
Sep 28 07:37:44 <christoffer> but as I said earlier it works now with Ubuntu
Sep 28 07:38:00 <christoffer> and have some other stuff I want to try first
Sep 28 07:38:15 <christoffer> always so many things you wanna do with new toys :)
Sep 28 09:29:21 <LetoThe2nd> pastjean: sorry, but would you please fix your connection, or take out channel out of your autojoin?
Sep 28 09:33:41 <LetoThe2nd> pastjean: sorry, but would you please fix your connection, or take out channel out of your autojoin?
Sep 28 10:00:10 <xenoxaos> do what i do...hide part/joins
Sep 28 10:00:12 <xenoxaos> :P
Sep 28 10:01:06 <LetoThe2nd> xenoxaos: heh, undesirable for me for a variety of cases.
Sep 28 10:01:24 <xenoxaos> then smart filter them
Sep 28 10:53:27 <TM26> Hi, is any other channel on spanish??? Thanks :)
Sep 28 10:54:24 <dm8tbr> at least I'm not aware of a spanish BeagleBoard focused channel
Sep 28 10:55:17 <TM26> Ok thanks dm8tbr ...ill stay here then !!!!
Sep 28 11:00:35 * dm8tbr thinks pastjean should fix his connection
Sep 28 11:20:50 <mru> dm8tbr: /ignore his antics
Sep 28 11:31:14 <dm8tbr> /ignore *!*pastejean@*.videotron.ca JOINS PARTS QUITS
Sep 28 11:31:34 <dm8tbr> hmm seems I missed something
Sep 28 12:20:24 <Rajani> in which language dts files for lcd cape are written ??
Sep 28 12:25:45 <Rajani> in which language dts files for lcd cape are written ??
Sep 28 12:27:29 <tcort> Rajani: DTS files are in their own language with their own compiler (dtc).
Sep 28 12:43:40 <Rajani> @tcort but how can I write overlay ?? their should be any syntax or any language???
Sep 28 12:47:22 <Rajani> tcort: but how can I write overlay ?? their should be any syntax or any language???
Sep 28 14:20:09 <LasterP> Hi, what are the min/max environment temperatures, air pressure and humidity for the xm? If placed outside in a ipx8 or 65 case, will it operate for months without trouble?
Sep 28 14:24:45 <_av500_> I doubt air pressure will do it harm
Sep 28 14:24:53 <_av500_> keep it dry
Sep 28 14:30:19 <LasterP> Aren't there official datasheets of the device that discribe this kinds of extremes?
Sep 28 14:33:14 <dm8tbr> LasterP: I think I've read the temperature range this is expected to work in. But not sure if there are many variables beyond that
Sep 28 15:48:02 <TM26> Hi .... I has never hear about the .... (lets be hones ) beaglebone or raspberrypi....
Sep 28 15:48:31 <TM26> I will not to ask wich is better !!!! ....
Sep 28 15:48:49 <Jeebiss> Ummm
Sep 28 15:49:21 <TM26> Some question about how its works ....
Sep 28 15:50:36 <Jeebiss> If you are entirely new to this sort of development board, I would suggest the RaspberryPi
Sep 28 15:51:07 <Jeebiss> Slightly cheaper, more active community, and more beginner friendly.
Sep 28 15:51:25 <Jeebiss> But if you know what youre doing, and know you need more resources, then the BBB is a great step up.
Sep 28 15:51:50 <KyleYankan> Second ^
Sep 28 15:52:36 <TM26> Really .... ???  Im not kind of developer , but i really want to learn about this 2 tools..... :)
Sep 28 15:53:05 <TM26> Thanks Jeebiss
Sep 28 15:53:20 <Jeebiss> No problem, thats the most basic and simplified break down I can give you.
Sep 28 15:53:26 <Jeebiss> It really comes down to what you plan to do.
Sep 28 15:53:48 <Jeebiss> If you are learning from the ground up, a Pi will probably suit you better.
Sep 28 15:53:56 <KyleYankan> Learning to program / very basic electronics -> RasPi. More advanced projects / more connectivity-> BBB
Sep 28 15:58:08 <TM26> In my basic knowledge of OS linux & windows ... I edited a windows xp to run from a usb .... I lost rt hat versipn... But you think BBB could run the sys ...i know are lonux based  , but some dint find usefull linux , .. For any reason they have :)
Sep 28 16:08:47 <RypRap> ??
Sep 28 16:10:16 <TM26> Sorry for my englis .... Im doing my best to write in eng ... :)
Sep 28 16:46:02 <CareBear\> TM26 : BBB could not run the sys
Sep 28 16:48:05 <TM26> :) thanks CareBear\ ...
Sep 28 17:19:17 <Jeebiss> what is 'the sys' hes referring to CareBear\ ?
Sep 28 17:21:41 <TM26> For my question .... Jeebiss system :)
Sep 28 17:25:43 <Jinx> I'm looking for a device that can "pretend" to be a client USB HDD, but instead forward any read/write activity to another storage option--particularly a network drive
Sep 28 17:25:58 <Jinx> Has anyone done something similar with a Beagle?
Sep 28 17:26:22 <KyleYankan> I mean, I may just be missing something - can't you just mount the network drive?
Sep 28 17:26:46 <mru> g_storage or whatever it's called
Sep 28 17:27:01 <Jinx> it needs to emulate a USB HDD because i have 3 devices that expect only USB HDDs
Sep 28 17:27:16 <Jinx> e.g. Wii, DVD player, and PVR
Sep 28 17:27:18 <KyleYankan> Weird. I haven't heard or anything like that, unfortunately.
Sep 28 17:27:46 <KyleYankan> I see. i suppose you could have it mount the BBB's internal eMMC, but have that linked toa  NAS. I've never done it though
Sep 28 17:27:47 <mru> there's a gadget driver that does that
Sep 28 17:27:49 <Jinx> my goal is to get them to read/write over the LAN, even though they normally only read/write to a local HDD
Sep 28 17:28:45 <dm8tbr> Jinx: performance may or may not become a problem, as you'll have to forward block-device access over LAN
Sep 28 17:29:00 <Jinx> block-device access?
Sep 28 17:29:13 <dm8tbr> USB disks are block devices
Sep 28 17:29:24 <mru> better something than nothing
Sep 28 17:29:27 <dm8tbr> so you can't do this on a file level
Sep 28 17:29:30 <Jinx> i was told i should confirm that it is possible to "simulate USB devices from user code" not kernel code
Sep 28 17:29:47 * dm8tbr steps back
Sep 28 17:29:55 <dm8tbr> why would you want to try that?
Sep 28 17:29:57 * mru hides
Sep 28 17:30:21 <Jinx> ... did i say something offensive?
Sep 28 17:30:53 <Jinx> the person who recommended the BeagleBoard to me said i should confirm that it can be done without "messing with the kernel"
Sep 28 17:31:22 <dm8tbr> there is a kernel module, it works
Sep 28 17:31:25 <dm8tbr> full stop
Sep 28 17:32:10 <Jinx> okay... so it is possible.
Sep 28 17:32:21 <Jinx> but probably nobody else has done such a thing eh?
Sep 28 17:32:28 <mru> does modprobe count as messing?
Sep 28 17:32:37 <Jinx> what kind of performance are we talking?
Sep 28 17:32:49 <Jinx> my PVR uses at least 2.3MiB/s
Sep 28 17:32:50 <mru> try and find out
Sep 28 17:33:13 * dm8tbr nods approvingly towards mru 
Sep 28 17:33:35 <Jinx> lol
Sep 28 17:33:41 <Jinx> i don't know where to begin even :(
Sep 28 17:33:45 <Jinx> i guess this is probably over my head
Sep 28 17:34:20 <dm8tbr> let's take a step back for a second
Sep 28 17:34:42 <Jinx> i didn't know we had stepped forward
Sep 28 17:34:51 <Jinx> :)
Sep 28 17:35:20 <dm8tbr> what are you trying to achieve? to move individual drives to some central server?
Sep 28 17:35:30 <Jinx> yeah sort of
Sep 28 17:36:00 <Jinx> instead of having 3 separate drives for my Wii, DVD player, and PVR... all of which are inaccessible to my LAN...
Sep 28 17:36:18 <Jinx> have instead one central drive (or array) that is accessible
Sep 28 17:36:30 <dm8tbr> you'd still have 3 separate virtual drives, just somewhere on your LAN
Sep 28 17:36:37 <Jinx> that'd be fine, yes
Sep 28 17:37:13 <Jinx> the goal is two-fold: not have to have separate physical drives for each device, and also be able to share the content/space on those drives
Sep 28 17:37:49 <dm8tbr> there would be no sharing as each would be a partition or a LVM volume
Sep 28 17:38:04 <Jinx> necessarily?
Sep 28 17:38:28 <dm8tbr> yes, as you need to present a DRIVE to those remote devices, not a file system
Sep 28 17:38:37 <mru> something more sophisticated could share data
Sep 28 17:38:53 <dm8tbr> that becomes a brain-warp pretty fast
Sep 28 17:38:57 <Jinx> couldn't an interpreter pretend to be a drive, but only forward at the filesystem level?
Sep 28 17:39:02 <Jinx> heh
Sep 28 17:39:05 <Jinx> so i'm insane
Sep 28 17:39:07 <Jinx> i understand
Sep 28 17:39:11 <dm8tbr> and how do you handle concurrent access?
Sep 28 17:39:34 <dm8tbr> file-systems are rarely built for multi-os-concurrent-access
Sep 28 17:39:39 <mru> export it read-only
Sep 28 17:39:57 <dm8tbr> that would mitigate the risks, yes
Sep 28 17:40:37 <Jinx> how do network drives handle it?
Sep 28 17:40:59 <mru> by not being block devices
Sep 28 17:41:02 * Jinx has yet to even setup a network drive... though owns an old MyBook World Edition
Sep 28 17:41:34 <Jinx> well if a single device could translate for all 3 source devices...
Sep 28 17:41:44 <Jinx> it could manage/mitigate such issues, no?
Sep 28 17:41:45 <kerecseny> hi to all
Sep 28 17:42:50 <kerecseny> how to connect cloud9 and bbb cloud9 megre?
Sep 28 17:42:58 <dm8tbr> Jinx: you could conceivably have ONE vfat drive, that would be RW on your server, but RO for all three devices
Sep 28 17:43:30 <Jinx> RO won't work sadly :(
Sep 28 17:43:42 <Jinx> can't the writes be managed by the "interpreter" ?
Sep 28 17:43:50 <dm8tbr> if you write one
Sep 28 17:43:56 <Jinx> ah :)
Sep 28 17:44:04 <dm8tbr> 17:39:34< dm8tbr> file-systems are rarely built for multi-os-concurrent-access
Sep 28 17:45:12 <dm8tbr> e.g. boxA can decide to write to sector 0xbabe while boxB does too, and there would be no sensible way to recover
Sep 28 17:45:26 <dm8tbr> and that's just a simple example I pulled out of my ***
Sep 28 17:46:09 <dm8tbr> the best you could get would be in such a case 3 non-shared partitions/volumes on a network storage
Sep 28 17:46:10 <Jinx> hm
Sep 28 17:46:26 <Jinx> so the interpreter would require maintaining a map of all blocks
Sep 28 17:46:27 <Jinx> ouch
Sep 28 17:46:43 <Jinx> well
Sep 28 17:46:52 <dm8tbr> no it would require resolving what was never intended. two operating systems writing at the same time
Sep 28 17:47:09 <Jinx> won't one typically be "first" ?
Sep 28 17:47:42 <Jinx> so it can just say "i gave block A to machine A, but machine B wanted block A also, so instead i stored it in block Z"
Sep 28 17:47:50 <Jinx> anyway
Sep 28 17:47:54 <Jinx> i dont mind having separate partitions
Sep 28 17:48:09 <Jinx> but i would like the ability to somehow access the files remotely
Sep 28 17:48:20 <Jinx> i think i misunderstood above:
Sep 28 17:48:29 <Jinx> when you say read-only, you meant read only to the rest of the network?
Sep 28 17:48:39 <Jinx> but *not* read only to the source device right?
Sep 28 17:49:17 <Jinx> i.e. only one could do the writing
Sep 28 17:49:26 <Jinx> the source device or the network
Sep 28 17:51:23 <kerecseny> I need syncron device-cloud
Sep 28 17:52:38 <dm8tbr> Jinx: yeah, only one can write
Sep 28 17:53:18 <dm8tbr> all the devices reading might get some 'weirdness' but should survive (worst case remount or reboot) and the filesystem should never melt
Sep 28 17:53:20 <Jinx> hmm... well that can be workable
Sep 28 17:53:56 <Jinx> given the right code, the "writing device" could be switched when necessary i imagine?
Sep 28 17:54:29 <Jinx> perhaps requiring telling it to "remove" from the source device when writing from something else on the network
Sep 28 17:55:04 <Jinx> i.e. PC wants to write, so disables drive from PVR temporarily
Sep 28 17:55:52 <dm8tbr> no
Sep 28 17:56:11 <dm8tbr> you'd need to unmount the drive on the PVR (or hard disconnect it)
Sep 28 17:56:21 <Jinx> yeah
Sep 28 17:56:23 <dm8tbr> then hand the device over for writing
Sep 28 17:56:24 <Jinx> that's what i mean
Sep 28 17:56:37 <dm8tbr> if that works for you, then yes
Sep 28 17:56:49 <Jinx> but the interpreter device (e.g. BeagleBoard) could emulate removing the cord no?
Sep 28 17:56:56 <dm8tbr> yes
Sep 28 17:57:05 <Jinx> that could work
Sep 28 17:57:17 <Jinx> i don't anticipate a lot of simultaneous write/read happening from multiple devices
Sep 28 17:57:39 <Jinx> but i would like to be able to write without a lot of manual tinkering
Sep 28 17:57:57 <dm8tbr> you could script it
Sep 28 17:58:17 <dm8tbr> but by definition it's going to be a bag of hacks
Sep 28 17:58:23 <Jinx> lol
Sep 28 17:58:35 <Jinx> also "you" doesn't work there...
Sep 28 17:58:52 <Jinx> you meant "you could pay someone to script it"
Sep 28 17:59:11 <dm8tbr> or you could learn to
Sep 28 17:59:11 <Jinx> unless i can script it in mIRC
Sep 28 17:59:18 <Jinx> ;)
Sep 28 21:30:36 <bmatusiak> humm...
Sep 28 21:30:58 <bmatusiak> someone should make a raid mircroSD cape
Sep 28 21:31:21 <bmatusiak> 5x 32gb class10 sd cards
Sep 28 21:33:00 <SpeedEvil> you really need a custom filesystem, then it could be quite good
Sep 28 21:33:26 <SpeedEvil> ypi only ever want to wrote continuously to the card, treating it like a big circular buffer
Sep 28 21:33:56 <bmatusiak> smart!
Sep 28 21:34:36 <SpeedEvil> then you need a translation layer to make it act like a normal fileeayatem, and remember where all the blocks are
Sep 28 21:35:53 <bmatusiak> so your saying its do-able?
Sep 28 21:40:33 <SpeedEvil> yes
Sep 28 21:41:03 <SpeedEvil> it could in some ways be better than sad
Sep 28 21:41:08 <SpeedEvil> ssd
Sep 28 21:41:51 <KyleYankan> I'm wondering if there's an easy way to hook my arduino GSM shield up yo the BBB. It's just a serial connection.
Sep 28 21:42:07 <KyleYankan> But could I arguably ssh into my BBB that way and such?
Sep 28 21:46:47 <SpeedEvil> if you had an active IP session, yes
Sep 28 21:46:49 <SpeedEvil> pppd
Sep 28 21:47:50 <KyleYankan> ill check it out
Sep 28 21:47:51 <KyleYankan> thanks
Sep 28 22:02:21 <bmatusiak> speedevil   http://technabob.com/blog/2011/04/13/collector-microsd-usb-flash-drive/
Sep 28 22:03:13 <bmatusiak> SpeedEvil, ^ of your alerts need exact name
Sep 28 22:03:19 <SpeedEvil> yes, the problem is you don't know if its doing the smart stuff
Sep 28 22:03:27 <SpeedEvil> or if it's just doing raid
Sep 28 22:03:30 <bmatusiak> its a concept design :/
Sep 28 22:04:37 <Russ> my initial reaction is "what a horrible idea"
Sep 28 22:05:12 <Russ> from the simple side of things just because it'd be easier to use multiple usb dongles
Sep 28 22:05:56 <Russ> from the more complex side of things because the page size would become huge, and the possibility of device failure
Sep 28 22:06:10 <bmatusiak> there would be a speed issue via usb VS internal drive for a hardware raid
Sep 28 22:06:14 <Russ> the page size thing wouldn't be a problem if you just used them linearly
Sep 28 22:06:32 <bmatusiak> lol
Sep 28 22:06:32 <Russ> bmatusiak, have you compared microsd speed with usb speed?
Sep 28 22:07:04 <SpeedEvil> Russ: microsds can go down to 8 kilobytes a second on pathological use cases
Sep 28 22:07:07 <Russ> you'd have to have a lot of microsd cards for the speed of usb2.0 to be a problem
Sep 28 22:07:31 <bmatusiak> depends on the sdCard for speed aswell
Sep 28 22:07:36 <SpeedEvil> Russ: for linear, maybe 2
Sep 28 22:08:14 <bmatusiak> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/06/photofast-cr-7200-compactflash-adapter-runs-four-microsds-in-raid/
Sep 28 22:08:21 <bmatusiak> a nother artical
Sep 28 22:08:50 <bmatusiak> this one is based as a adapter for CompactFlash
Sep 28 22:08:57 <Russ> you can't fix stupid, but you can allow people to teach themselves a lesson
Sep 28 22:09:27 <Russ> probably from the same people that thought combining zip disks into a raid array would be a good idea
Sep 28 22:09:54 <Russ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dvsjr/69134663/
Sep 28 22:13:22 <Russ> it does have a potential as a late night infomercial sell or a product to recycle and be green with
Sep 28 22:14:33 <Russ> only way you could actually have a chance of making it cheaper than just buying a new card would be to make it a usb hub internally and do the raid on the PC side, maybe with a driver to fool the user into thinking the hardware is doing it
Sep 28 22:17:57 <SpeedEvil> that's arguably the right way
Sep 28 22:18:26 <Russ> so long as someone doesn't realize that the waste generated by the adapter would be far more than just buying a new card
Sep 28 22:18:37 <Russ> now, a cool product would be make something with 100 or so microsd slots, and use the spi interface to daisy chain them all together and have a single interface
Sep 28 22:18:51 <Russ> it'd be really slow storage, but there would be a lot of it
Sep 28 22:18:52 <N2TOH> oh god I can see it now, USB flash drive RAID hubs....
Sep 28 22:19:23 <N2TOH> along with my lark powered eject USB ports
Sep 28 22:19:32 <SpeedEvil> there is no good reason to do i2c and not hook a lot of cards to a FPGA
Sep 28 22:19:50 <Russ> they don't speak i2c
Sep 28 22:20:12 <N2TOH> well 4 bit SPI for SD cards is not that complex
Sep 28 22:20:29 <Russ> right, but you can't really daisy chain it as easily as 1 bit
Sep 28 22:21:13 <N2TOH> why daisy chain them? just wire a few to the GPIO pins and RAID 0 them
Sep 28 22:21:36 <Russ> it'd be a lot of money to provide an interface to each of them compared to the storage capacity of an old card
Sep 28 22:21:44 <N2TOH> years ago I have seen SD to PATA adapters that did that
Sep 28 22:22:27 <Russ> course, the problem with daisy chaining 100 microsd cards, is if one is  flaky, you lose
Sep 28 22:22:43 <N2TOH> software ECC
Sep 28 22:22:51 <Russ> doesn't help
Sep 28 22:23:41 <N2TOH> oh your saying in general not just a one time failure
Sep 28 22:24:07 <Russ> you'd be relying on each card to pass bits through to the next card
Sep 28 22:24:22 <Russ> command and data
Sep 28 22:24:38 <N2TOH> GAAAAH! why would you ever do that?
Sep 28 22:24:52 <Russ> it'd be a cheap way to connect 100 microsd cards to a computer for mass storage
Sep 28 22:25:10 <Russ> you could even have an xy system for ss
Sep 28 22:25:51 <N2TOH> I would wire the in/out pins in parrallel and use an adress decoder chip for the chip sleect
Sep 28 22:26:12 <N2TOH> a serial input to parallel output chi[
Sep 28 22:26:15 <N2TOH> chip*
Sep 28 22:26:38 <Russ> I think you'd kill the cost
Sep 28 22:27:01 <Russ> perhaps a similar row/column system could be used for miso
Sep 28 22:27:09 <N2TOH> a ttl shift-register is dirt cheap
Sep 28 22:27:16 <Russ> then you'd just need a mux for the columns
Sep 28 22:27:46 <N2TOH> you could also mux the power pins to the cards
Sep 28 22:28:03 <Russ> cutting power to an SD card repeatedly is a good way to kill it
Sep 28 22:28:17 <N2TOH> good point
Sep 28 22:29:20 <N2TOH> if your willing to use GPIO pins the BBB has many, you could give each SD cards it's own CS pin
Sep 28 22:32:05 <Russ> not with 100 sd cards
Sep 28 22:37:05 <_av500_> Russ: reminds me of a school teacher that came to our office once a few years back, trying to sell us his patent for a multicard reader
Sep 28 22:37:12 <_av500_> as in reuse all your old cards
Sep 28 22:37:22 <_av500_> I told him the sum of all his old cars is < 1 new card
Sep 28 22:37:27 <_av500_> cards
Sep 28 22:37:32 <_av500_> he was not convinced
Sep 28 22:37:39 <_av500_> but he made no sale :)
Sep 28 22:37:59 <_av500_> but hey, he has a patent for it
Sep 28 22:38:31 <Russ> like I said, late night informercial
Sep 28 22:38:57 <Russ> we could even have a video of people failing to open new memory card packages or something
Sep 28 22:39:10 <Russ> there has to be a better way!
Sep 28 22:40:45 <_av500_> right :)
Sep 28 22:41:17 <_av500_> might make more sense to offer to come to peoples houses and open their packages
Sep 28 22:41:26 <_av500_> "oh thank god, these have been sitting here since xmas..."
Sep 28 22:41:34 <_av500_> call 0800-WEOPEN
Sep 28 22:42:01 <Russ> what's funny is that can openers kind of work on those packages
Sep 28 22:42:05 <Russ> the electric kind
Sep 28 22:42:11 <_av500_> right
Sep 28 22:42:28 <Russ> I'm sure you could modify one slightly and sell it as a package opener
Sep 28 22:42:36 <mru> patent it
Sep 28 22:56:34 <N2TOH> I just use a utility knife
Sep 28 22:57:48 <mru> there was this time when I would have used a knife to open a plastic package, only the knife was the packaged item
Sep 28 22:58:22 <N2TOH> LOL WOW
Sep 28 22:58:31 <mru> I could barely get it open
Sep 28 22:58:52 <N2TOH> do you have a BIC lighter?
Sep 28 22:58:53 <mru> I'd obviously bought it because I didn't have a knife wherever I was and needed one
Sep 28 22:59:24 <mru> I have a lighter somewhere, don't usually carry one with me
Sep 28 22:59:43 <N2TOH> paper hole punchers also work some times as well as sturdy scisors
Sep 28 23:00:34 <N2TOH> I spotted the most absurd product today while visiting a Dollar General
Sep 28 23:01:18 <N2TOH> for $10 they were selling a "thing" that will allow you to watch 5000+ channels of TV on your computer for only $10 a year
Sep 28 23:01:39 <mru> wtf
Sep 28 23:02:14 <N2TOH> it's just a write protected thumb drive with the software installer for a pay streaming service
Sep 28 23:03:34 <N2TOH> just goes to show you how gullable the general population is, in the same breath I have to wonder if all that microwave band RF from smart phones is really cooking peoples' brains
Sep 28 23:03:59 <N2TOH> from my perspective smartphones are making people dumber in general
Sep 28 23:04:27 <mru> where did you think the phones got their smarts?
Sep 28 23:04:49 <mru> clearly they siphon it from the users
Sep 28 23:05:29 * N2TOH wait the suck your brains out of your ear while your using them? you mean the Zombie apocalyse is from the phones? 3:)
Sep 28 23:12:33 <mru> the eyephone does it when you look at it
Sep 28 23:27:48 <N2TOH> speaking of brain suckage
Sep 28 23:28:13 <N2TOH> I would like to find a person who has managed to install ViewRF on their BBB
Sep 28 23:28:39 * N2TOH can we just start refering to it as the "3B" from now on please?
Sep 28 23:29:01 <alviur> hi , please help me my beagleboard dont show messages in minicom, that means that it is dead?
Sep 28 23:29:21 <N2TOH> sorry no idea
Sep 28 23:29:29 <N2TOH> is minicom the USB teather?
Sep 28 23:31:30 <alviur> it is the serial comunicator ofr linux
Sep 28 23:31:37 <alviur> and the board is very hot
Sep 28 23:31:55 <vagrantc> so, i've got a 3.12-rc2 kernel built for the bbblack, with some patches for the capemanager, but usb seems to be unuseable... any patches floating around out there?
Sep 28 23:32:44 <N2TOH> how hot?
Sep 28 23:33:16 <N2TOH> my board gets warm but not so hot it's uncomfortable to touch
Sep 28 23:33:29 <N2TOH> first off what is your power source?
Sep 28 23:33:46 <N2TOH> you might just have too much voltage going into it
Sep 28 23:36:44 <alviur> mmmm what do you recommend?
Sep 28 23:37:50 <N2TOH> try a different power supply/cable or if you have a volt meter check what to voltage is on the BBB
Sep 28 23:38:13 <N2TOH> the*
Sep 28 23:39:13 <alviur> 5 v
Sep 28 23:40:14 <N2TOH> unless you tried reflashing the onboard flash already I would contact tech support and RMA the board
Sep 29 00:22:16 <rocky|beagle> I'm having trouble with my beagle.  It doesn't show up at all on my windows 8 machine, shows up as "usb device not recognized" on my windows 7 machine, and doesn't show up when doing lsusb on any of my linux machines.  I know it's not completely gone because I can log in over the physical serial port.
Sep 29 00:23:52 <rocky|beagle> the ethernet only works very intermittently, which may be related if any damaged has occured.
Sep 29 00:30:51 <rocky|beagle> I've already tried reflashing angstrom image 6.20 and running ubuntu for arm
Sep 29 00:33:53 <N2TOH> sounds like a Windows problem, do you have the have the hardware to connect a Monitor, keyboard, mouse?
Sep 29 00:34:35 <N2TOH> I spend the extra $20 for the special HDMI cable so I could connect a monitor
Sep 29 00:34:50 <rocky|beagle> yes, but I did try it on my linux box.  I do have access to a terminal through the serial port (the physical serial port, not the virtual usb one)
Sep 29 00:36:06 <N2TOH> I'm no expert but have you tried contacting the Beagle team, you know the folks who produced the board
Sep 29 00:36:39 <rocky|beagle> not yet.
Sep 29 00:37:09 <W1N9Zr0> did you try another USB cable? another port on your computer?
Sep 29 00:37:38 <rocky|beagle> I've tried every port available on my computer.  I haven't tried a different usb cable.  I'll do it now.
Sep 29 00:39:06 * N2TOH will LOL if it was just a bad cable
Sep 29 00:39:33 <rocky|beagle> me too :p
Sep 29 00:39:59 <N2TOH> it's amazing how often a cheap cable is the problem
Sep 29 00:40:19 <rocky|beagle> well, it mounted :/
Sep 29 00:40:44 <rocky|beagle> I don't think ubuntu is configured to let you ssh into it in the stock image, so imma boot into angstrom and try
Sep 29 00:40:52 <N2TOH> in the same breath it's not so much it being cheap, just the tolerances in manufacturing...
Sep 29 00:41:20 <N2TOH> I think your spot on in that matter
Sep 29 00:41:30 <N2TOH> SSH is typically an add on
Sep 29 00:42:09 <rocky|beagle> can't ssh into angstrom from my linux box.  I'm gonna try on windows 8.
Sep 29 00:42:34 * N2TOH thinks you need to install it first
Sep 29 00:43:04 <rocky|beagle> can you clearify on what you think I need to install?
Sep 29 00:44:45 <rocky|beagle> man eating rubber sharks batman!  it's working!
Sep 29 00:47:54 <rocky|facepalm> W1N9Zr0: thank you for doubting my cables :p
Sep 29 00:48:19 <W1N9Zr0> oh don't thank me, thank china for screwing up 4 wires and some plastic
Sep 29 00:49:51 <rocky|facepalm> lol, this cable has been driving me nuts for a couple weeks then.
Sep 29 00:51:11 <rocky|facepalm> now, I can actually start trying things out on the pru
Sep 29 01:04:01 <duwenya> hello
Sep 29 01:04:43 <duwenya> would you tell me how should I get start to learn Beagle Board(xm)
Sep 29 01:05:06 <duwenya> I‘ve just geted the board
Sep 29 01:07:22 <duwenya> would you tell me how should I get start to learn Beagle Board(xm)
Sep 29 01:12:28 <rocky|facepalm> could you guys help me with another problem? My beaglebone is getting assigned the ip 169.254.*, which I've read means something is wrong with DHCP.  I'm really not sure how to fix this.
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